Naresh Bhatt says he found Mamta Kafle Bhatt unconscious before she disappeared — TESTIMONY

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Can you describe what you saw when you saw Manta on the floor? [00:00:06] Mr. Buck: Yes, on the floor, facing north side, and then she was lying with vomit, stuff like that. [00:00:15] Speaker 1: Was she lying, how was she lying, on her side, on her back, on her front, how was she lying? [00:00:22] Mr. Buck: Back tilted head. [00:00:24] Speaker 1: Back, and what? [00:00:25] Mr. Buck: On the back, head tilted. [00:00:27] Speaker 1: Head tilted. Head tilted. Head tilted. Head tilted. [00:00:31] Mr. Buck: Head tilted. Head tilted. [00:00:33] Speaker 1: Thank you, sir. And what else did you see? [00:00:42] Mr. Buck: The vomit, with the different stuff. [00:00:45] Speaker 1: Where were you when you immediately -- Sorry, you said what else did you see, and I did not hear the answer. So answer the question again. What else did you see besides vomit and her head tilted? [00:01:05] Mr. Buck: Vomit, and then on the chunery, she was on the chuni, so vomit, and -- [00:01:11] Speaker 1: What's a chuni? [00:01:12] Mr. Buck: Chuni is a similar -- a small cloth like you have -- like you have -- exactly like this, with a different color, yes. Okay. [00:01:21] Speaker 1: And -- and where -- and where was the chuni? [00:01:25] Mr. Buck: Underneath. Underneath her. [00:01:27] Speaker 1: And was it spread out or was it balled up? [00:01:30] Mr. Buck: A little scratch. What are you going to do? Yeah. [00:01:37] Speaker ?: Show us. [00:01:38] Speaker 1: If you're -- if you're doing it there, no one can see it but you, so. [00:01:43] Mr. Buck: If this is like in a normal, like not very well like this. Okay. [00:01:50] Speaker 1: And, um, Mr. Buck, can we have you stand up? And just, um, just come to the edge there. So, and so, show me what it looked like. [00:02:07] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:02:08] Speaker 1: And -- and where was she in comparison to that? Okay. And, Jeff, if I can just, um, let the record reflect that he's taken a tissue, a normal-sized Kleenex tissue, and he's just crumpled it a little bit, and he's pointed to the middle of that crumple. And the record will reflect that. Where were you -- where were you standing when you first saw her? [00:02:38] Mr. Buck: On the front. [00:02:39] Speaker 1: So, had you moved towards her? [00:02:41] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:02:42] Speaker 1: And, um, where was she in comparison to the bed? [00:02:50] Mr. Buck: Behind. [00:02:51] Speaker 1: Uh, when you say behind, was she behind the headboard? No. [00:02:55] Mr. Buck: Uh, back of the -- where the feet are. Where the feet are? [00:02:59] Speaker 1: Yes. So, she's at the foot of the bed. [00:03:02] Mr. Buck: Further back. Uh, further back from the feet of the bed. Okay. [00:03:15] Speaker 1: And, um, where -- so, just so the jury gets a clear picture, um -- So, Mr. Bott, I think it's going to be necessary -- I hope -- I hope we can do this in a clear way -- was the bed, um, on the same wall as the, um, the -- the bathroom at that time? Yes. So, can you repeat one more time, please? Yeah. So -- so what I'm trying to -- I'm trying to give a visual image, so there's a wall where the bathroom is, right? And a closet on that wall. [00:03:51] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:03:52] Speaker 1: And then, was the bed on the neck -- the wall that was immediately next to that, or was it somewhere else? West of that, yes. [00:04:10] Mr. Buck: West side. [00:04:11] Speaker 1: So, just one -- just on the next wall over? [00:04:14] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:04:15] Speaker 1: Okay. And it was -- that's where the bed was at the time that you saw her? [00:04:23] Mr. Buck: The bed head -- bed head facing on the west, feet facing on the -- the bed of the feet facing on the east. [00:04:34] Speaker 1: And it goes which way the directions are. So, is the bed against the wall? [00:04:38] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:04:39] Speaker 1: And the feet are into the room? [00:04:41] Mr. Buck: Half of the end of the room, yes. [00:04:42] Speaker 1: Okay. And then, she's at the foot of the bed? Yes. Okay. And -- and just to be clear, with the photos that have been shown by the Commonwealth, you had moved the bed by then, right? That is correct. So, it was no longer in the place where you had found her? [00:04:59] Mr. Buck: That is correct. Some of the photos shown was -- original beds were there, but it was on the video, I guess. I do not remember exactly. Okay. [00:05:08] Speaker 1: Okay. So, sorry. I don't want to distract us from what we're talking about right now. When you went over to her, were you -- did you stand, or did you do something else? [00:05:19] Mr. Buck: I do not clearly remember, but like, you know, once I touch her, maybe definitely I bend or knee, I don't remember that. Yes. [00:05:29] Speaker 1: And with regard to the vomit, I know this is hard. Tell me exactly where and what you saw with regard to the vomit. [00:05:40] Mr. Buck: Around the neck and then side of the neck on the floor. [00:05:44] Speaker 1: And how about on her face or her mouth? [00:05:50] Mr. Buck: A little bit, yes. [00:05:52] Speaker 1: And did you get -- did you get close to see, to look at? [00:05:57] Mr. Buck: Yes. Then I turned the light on and -- yes. [00:06:00] Speaker 1: Okay. So, you actually turned the light on in the room? [00:06:02] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:06:03] Speaker 1: And did you -- did you go over and look at what was in the vomit itself? [00:06:08] Mr. Buck: That is correct, yes. [00:06:09] Speaker 1: What did you see? [00:06:10] Mr. Buck: There were pills, blood, capsule, and then food particles. [00:06:20] Speaker 1: What kind of food? [00:06:22] Mr. Buck: The greens and then noodles and rice, greens, dal, noodles, yes. [00:06:29] Speaker 1: So, what is dal? [00:06:31] Mr. Buck: Dal is a lentils -- lentils, cooked -- deeply cooked lentils, small lentils. [00:06:38] Speaker 1: And -- and the noodles, what was in the noodles? [00:06:42] Mr. Buck: Noodles are over here, we say, chow chow. [00:06:47] Speaker 1: Like spaghetti or ramen or -- [00:06:53] Mr. Buck: Ramen noodle, yes. 2X spicy ramen noodle. [00:06:56] Speaker 1: And is that the kind you had in the house? Yes. Mr. Ba, what is sulfur? [00:07:04] Mr. Buck: That is a pesticide. [00:07:08] Speaker 1: And did you -- how do you know what it is? [00:07:13] Mr. Buck: Back home, we use that for our agriculture and put on the weight -- to protect the weight. Wheat? Wheat? Wheat? Go. [00:07:23] Speaker ?: Go. [00:07:24] Mr. Buck: Go. Can I approach the witness? You may. You may. Can you identify these pictures? Yes. And can you, what is this? This is agriculture we use at our homes to protect our wheat from like very small insects. That's what we use at our homes. [00:07:52] Speaker 1: So do you use it in a household way? Yes. And is this something that you had in your own home? Yes. And is these pictures a true and accurate depiction of what the packaging looks like of an unopened selfless packaging? 100% yes. So judge, I would like to have these numbers. Relevance? I'm going to allow them. The next question is going to clarify the relevance. What number are we at? 13. 13. Thank you, Ms. Broadwell. A and B. A and B is fine. Sure. Okay, can you be on top? Mr. Bott, do you know what the contents of those packages look like, the selfless packages? [00:08:51] Mr. Buck: I don't know the chemical constituent, but I know... [00:08:54] Speaker 1: What it looks like? [00:08:55] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:08:56] Speaker 1: And did you see evidence in the vomit of selfless? [00:09:05] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:09:06] Speaker 1: Can you keep saying a word that I don't know, so I can't spell it. What are you... Evidence of... Selfless. C-E-L-P-H-U-S. Selfless. P-H-U-S. Thank you. And that is... I beg your pardon? Of course. And Judge, maybe given that you've said that, Judge, may I publish this to the jury just so they can see it? Sure. Because if there's a spelling question, then you should see it. So... You want me to put this down to the floor? [00:09:53] Mr. Buck: Zoom button to the clerk. Thank you. [00:10:01] Speaker 1: Mr. Bott, are you aware of other people taking selfless? [00:10:10] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:10:12] Speaker 1: Did you find packaging of an open selfless package in your home? [00:10:18] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:10:19] Speaker 1: Where? [00:10:21] Mr. Buck: At the small closet... Next to the small closet, under the first shelf of the closet. [00:10:29] Speaker 1: You said that you saw blood? [00:10:32] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:10:32] Speaker 1: In the vomit. How much blood did you see? [00:10:36] Mr. Buck: I cannot quantify plenty of. [00:10:40] Speaker 1: How much food particles did you see? [00:10:45] Mr. Buck: I... A lot. Like this. [00:10:49] Speaker 1: What was the color of the vomit that you saw? [00:10:54] Mr. Buck: Reddish and brownies. [00:10:56] Speaker 1: And... Could you tell then... How long the vomit had been there? [00:11:08] Mr. Buck: I... I don't know. Maybe seven, eight hours, six, five... I don't know. Five, six hours around. Like more than five, six hours. [00:11:15] Speaker 1: You don't know exactly, though. [00:11:18] Mr. Buck: At that time, I do not recall everything. Every single details. [00:11:23] Speaker 1: Was mom to moving? [00:11:25] Mr. Buck: At that moment, I move. She's not moving. I move. [00:11:29] Speaker 1: Did you try to talk to her? [00:11:31] Mr. Buck: Yes. Before touching, yes. [00:11:33] Speaker 1: Did she respond to you? [00:11:35] Mr. Buck: No. [00:11:35] Speaker 1: What did you do... What did you do when you got close enough to see the vomit? [00:11:46] Mr. Buck: I touch, try to like, hey, usually I don't, but like, you know, because I feel the smell and then those and then turn the lights on, so I try to, what's going on, wake up, and then I see that, I clean, try to do the ABC stuff, and... [00:12:06] Speaker 1: What is ABC stuff? [00:12:07] Mr. Buck: Oh, airway, breathe, circulation, clearance, something like that. I exactly do not remember those... [00:12:14] Speaker 1: You remembered the details of how you did that? [00:12:17] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:12:18] Speaker 1: What did you do? [00:12:20] Mr. Buck: Cleaning the mouth and then put the artificial breath, and... [00:12:27] Speaker 1: What do you mean by artificial breath? [00:12:30] Mr. Buck: Like, before that, I figured it out, like, you know, not moving, and then I thought it's unconscious or something like that, so I feel is breathing is going on or not. I don't feel the breath is going on. [00:12:44] Speaker 1: Did you check for breathing? [00:12:45] Mr. Buck: Like... [00:12:46] Speaker 1: Put your hand next to her mouth? [00:12:48] Mr. Buck: Behind... Back of my hand. [00:12:51] Speaker 1: And then what did you do? [00:12:53] Mr. Buck: Then I don't feel that, and then clean as fast as possible, and then... [00:12:58] Speaker 1: How did you do that? [00:12:59] Mr. Buck: With my hands, bare hands. [00:13:01] Speaker 1: With your... What did you do with your hand? [00:13:04] Mr. Buck: Clean. [00:13:06] Speaker 1: And just outside of her mouth? [00:13:08] Mr. Buck: Outside my mouth, and then try to open the mouth, and then with my mouth, put the ears. [00:13:14] Speaker 1: And then what did you do? [00:13:17] Mr. Buck: Then I don't feel that. I exactly do not remember how long I did that, maybe 30 seconds. If you are a little over 30 seconds, then I try to do the CPR. [00:13:29] Speaker 1: Okay, and what did you do? [00:13:31] Mr. Buck: And then bring the water, put the water on the mouth. [00:13:36] Speaker 1: So, where was the water? [00:13:38] Mr. Buck: Water at the table, on the table. [00:13:42] Speaker 1: And when you... Which table? Where was it? [00:13:45] Mr. Buck: Where exactly the lamp was. [00:13:47] Speaker 1: Okay, and what was the container of water made of? [00:13:52] Mr. Buck: Made up of a copper, we bring that from Nepal. [00:13:55] Speaker 1: So, I'll show you a picture of it here in a minute. Yes. Is that something that... What was the purpose of the copper container? [00:14:08] Mr. Buck: People say, like, it's healthy to drink water from the copper. We always drink water from that... We don't drink from the bottle. We put the water on that one, leave, and then, you know, drink from there. [00:14:20] Speaker 1: Okay. Drink from the copper container. [00:14:22] Mr. Buck: That is correct. [00:14:23] Speaker 1: So, you got the copper container. What did you do with the water? [00:14:28] Mr. Buck: Put inside the mouth, so... To bring her back. [00:14:33] Speaker 1: And did you... How much water did you use at that point? [00:14:39] Mr. Buck: That's the only one that... The container. [00:14:43] Speaker 1: Okay. [00:14:44] Mr. Buck: That mug. [00:14:45] Speaker 1: Do you know the size of it? [00:14:48] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:14:49] Speaker 1: Like this. Okay. Did you check... What did you do next after you tried chest compressions? [00:15:01] Mr. Buck: It doesn't... You know, like, I don't feel the breath back again. And then I want to check the pulse. And then I try with my fingers as well. And then I want to make sure, like, I use the stethoscope and then thermometer. [00:15:18] Speaker 1: And... Where was... Where was her phone? [00:15:27] Mr. Buck: Her phone was next to her on her left-hand side. [00:15:33] Speaker 1: And was there... Was it on or off? [00:15:36] Mr. Buck: Looked like lights was on. I don't know. Looks like video was going on. Light was on. Video was going on. Lights was on. I don't know. It was really somebody calling or somebody. Something going on. But light was on on the phone. Yes. I was... I tried to take a look. But the phone doesn't work. Because I don't have a password. [00:15:59] Speaker 1: So, had the password... You said before that you guys had the same password. Yes. We had... Was that working on the phone at that point? [00:16:06] Mr. Buck: No. No. We changed the password after February. We do not have... February or March. We do not have access of each other's phone after February or March somewhere. [00:16:17] Speaker 1: Did you both change your password? [00:16:20] Mr. Buck: I did not. [00:16:21] Speaker 1: But she changed hers? [00:16:22] Mr. Buck: Because she got another phone. Other phone does have two iPhone 7 Plus. Does have the same password. And then iPhone 15 Pro Max has the same password. But like this... She has an iPhone 12. I don't know full name. iPhone 12 something. [00:16:39] Speaker 1: But the password was different? [00:16:41] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:16:48] Speaker 1: How long did you try to revive her like that? If you know. [00:16:57] Mr. Buck: I don't know. Maybe 45 minutes, an hour. [00:17:02] Speaker 1: Mr. Pott. Obvious question. Why didn't you call 911? [00:17:07] Mr. Buck: That's the... I really... At that point... Scared. I don't know why I did not. I tried to call. I really scared. I don't know why. Something take over me. I was really, really panicked. I don't know. I don't really... Even like... It's been like... Over two years. I have completed more than 3,500 hours of meditation. Still, I don't have that answer. [00:17:38] Speaker 1: Let me ask this. Did you have 9-1-1 in Nepal? [00:17:43] Mr. Buck: No. [00:17:44] Speaker 1: What would happen if you found somebody in your house that was in extremists like that in Nepal? Objection. [00:17:52] Mr. Buck: Inform your seniors. Hold on. Hold on. What's the objection? As to what would happen in Nepal? [00:17:57] Speaker 1: I said, what would he do? I'm sorry. You're right. I did ask it in a general way. However, I think that he absolutely can answer that. It goes to what he did and what he thought. I'll add the question. So, you can answer that question. [00:18:09] Mr. Buck: Usually, ask to seniors. [00:18:12] Speaker 1: Ask the seniors? [00:18:13] Mr. Buck: Yes. Get help from seniors. [00:18:14] Speaker 1: Like older people? [00:18:15] Mr. Buck: That is correct. [00:18:18] Speaker 1: Would you try to call 911 or some other number to get help? [00:18:23] Mr. Buck: Later, once I exhausted, I tried, but like, you know, I scared. [00:18:27] Speaker 1: But the pattern in Nepal would be that you would not call. [00:18:35] Mr. Buck: In Nepal, even our brother lost for many, many years. We never informed police. [00:18:41] Speaker 1: Why didn't you call literally anyone else for help? [00:18:48] Mr. Buck: I did not take first initiation action. Later, I get really, really scared. [00:18:56] Speaker 1: Are you concerned about how it would look? [00:19:01] Mr. Buck: I'm concerned about everything. I cannot explain what I was concerned about. Everything around the world. [00:19:08] Speaker 1: Concerned about your job? [00:19:10] Mr. Buck: Everything. Not only the job. Job doesn't, that doesn't come on my mind. Everything. [00:19:16] Speaker 1: Are you afraid that you're going to be blamed for driving her to suicide? [00:19:22] Mr. Buck: Yes. [00:19:26] Speaker 1: Are you afraid that you're going to be blamed for not taking serious how? [00:19:31] Mr. Buck: A hundred percent, yes.