Naresh Bhatt reads Mamta Kafle Bhatt's text messages, talks Feb. police call — Full testimony part 4

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Do you care if Mr. Bot just takes the stand, Miss Lennox? [00:00:04] Speaker 2: Uh, sure, Judge, yes. [00:00:06] Speaker 1: Mr. Bot, why don't you come on up as before you are still under oath, okay? [00:00:30] Speaker ?: Thank you. [00:01:00] Speaker 2: Okay, it's set. [00:01:22] Speaker 3: Yes. [00:01:32] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. All right, Miss Lennox, are we ready to continue? Yes, ma'am. [00:02:10] Speaker 2: Thank you. So, Mr. Bot, we were talking about the disagreement you had on February 14th with Mamta. You remember? [00:02:34] Mr. Bot: During the February and March, or before the March. [00:02:37] Speaker 2: I remember just talking about that one. February 14th. [00:02:39] Mr. Bot: Just that February 14th. [00:02:40] Speaker 2: You started to say, before we took the break, and I sort of drew you back, but you started to talk about that she had called the police that night. [00:02:51] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:02:52] Mr. Bot: Do you remember that? [00:02:53] Speaker 2: Do you remember that? And you said that she was claiming that you were withholding something. What was she saying you were doing? [00:03:03] Mr. Bot: She was saying some type of documents. I don't know what type of documents. Some type of documents. Even, that's not clear, but like, you know, when she did the call, like, oh, what happened? Stuff like that. [00:03:21] Speaker 2: So, did you even know at the moment what it was she was referring to? No. Okay. So, let me approach you, Mr. Bot, and ask you if you recognize this thumb drive. [00:03:36] Mr. Bot: Yes, ma'am. [00:03:37] Speaker 2: And do you remember what's on this thumb drive? [00:03:40] Mr. Bot: Yes, ma'am. [00:03:41] Speaker 2: And did you review it and watch the things on this thumb drive? Yes, ma'am. And do you remember when this was recorded? Yes, ma'am. And is what you saw on these two very short videos a true and accurate copy of what happened on that? Yes, ma'am. Okay. I would like to move this in and enter it and then publish it. I don't know if the Commonwealth has an objection. Any objection? No objection. [00:04:11] Speaker 1: All right. Without objection, that'll be defendant. Are we at 11? 11. All right. [00:04:16] Speaker 2: So, Mr. Bot, tell me what it is that, once I get it up, tell me what it is that, once I get it up. [00:04:41] Speaker ?: No, no, no, no. [00:04:42] Speaker 2: Tell me what it is that this is showing. [00:04:48] Mr. Bot: She is at the hallway coming back from the other side of the room. She say like she's gonna call to the police. [00:04:58] Speaker 2: So, what does she have in her hand? [00:05:00] Mr. Bot: iPhone 15 Pro Max. [00:05:02] Speaker 2: And who is taking this video? [00:05:07] Mr. Bot: I was taking that video. [00:05:08] Speaker 2: Is there anyone else in this upstairs? [00:05:11] Mr. Bot: At that time, you cannot see, but like if you go further down on the left-hand side, there is three other people. [00:05:19] Speaker 2: And who are the three other people? [00:05:20] Mr. Bot: Neema Bhat and my mom and my dad. [00:05:25] Speaker 2: Okay. And this is November 14th, 2024? No, ma'am. [00:05:29] Mr. Bot: I'm sorry. [00:05:30] Speaker 2: When is this? [00:05:31] Mr. Bot: February 14th. [00:05:32] Speaker 2: I'm sorry. Glad you're paying attention, Mr. Bot. February 14th, 2024. That is correct, ma'am. Okay. All right. So, I think I have this as loud as it will go for a moment. And Mr. Bot, can you talk to her in Nepali or in a dialect? [00:06:00] Mr. Bot: She doesn't talk, but she understand, but like she only speak Nepali. She doesn't speak the local language dialogue, Boitari and Pahari. She doesn't speak that. [00:06:09] Speaker 2: And what are you saying? What are you, what language are you speaking to her? [00:06:12] Mr. Bot: Nepali language, always Nepali. Everybody has to talk to her in Nepali language. She doesn't speak other language. Okay. [00:06:19] Speaker 2: And does she speak in this video? Yes. And what language does she speak in in the video? [00:06:24] Mr. Bot: Nepali and English. [00:06:26] Speaker 2: Okay. So, I'm going to play now and then we'll talk about it afterward. And it's only about three minutes and 20 seconds long. [00:06:33] Mr. Bot: What are you, first of all, what are you holding in your hand there? [00:06:52] Speaker 2: That was the piece of paper. [00:06:53] Mr. Bot: I write it down and then slide under the door. Like, did you take the money from the bank or not? She said not. That's what I'm saying. Like, you told us like you were begging money to people's home. But like, no, you know, you say like, can you repeat one more time, please? Yeah, I'm sorry. [00:07:13] Speaker 2: And I'll try to pause it in appropriate places instead of going past it. [00:07:19] Speaker 5: Give me the one hand. [00:07:20] Mr. Bot: So the police case was made, and the bank was made, and the bank was made, and the video was made. That's why, like, you always make the video, that's why I'm making video for you as well. [00:07:55] Speaker 2: Okay, so I'm going to keep playing. What are you saying there? [00:08:12] Mr. Bot: Can you repeat a little bit one more time? Sorry about that. [00:08:20] Speaker 6: Paper? Paper? [00:08:23] Speaker 2: Can you use a piece of paper? Any objection? No objection. All right, without objection. [00:08:44] Speaker 3: Okay, are you ready? Yeah. [00:08:57] Speaker 1: What are you saying up to there? [00:08:58] Mr. Bot: I'm saying, like, you always make a video, you keep saying, like, you need a proof, something, then that's why I'm also making your video. [00:09:06] Speaker 2: Okay, and you can see where we stopped right now, there's someone in the background of that video, who is that? That's my mom. Okay, and you've watched this video before, in order to keep this not confusing, does your mom start talking to you here? Yes. What is she saying to you? Yes. [00:09:27] Mr. Bot: What is she saying to you? First word saying, like, you, you are, you guys were, let me use the interpreter, please. You guys are spoiled. [00:09:39] Speaker 2: And I don't think that's the right, you know, you have to ask, you have to say the words, you can't, you can't ask him a question. [00:09:46] Mr. Bot: So, you guys have a lot of money, a lot of food, and you are spoiled because of that? [00:09:59] Speaker 2: Okay, and she's saying this to you guys? [00:10:04] Mr. Bot: In the first moment, both. [00:10:06] Speaker 2: Okay, does she, and does she continue to talk to both of you or just to you? [00:10:11] Mr. Bot: Later, only to me. [00:10:12] Speaker 2: And what is she, what is she saying to you when she starts talking to you? [00:10:16] Mr. Bot: She just stopped right there, like, as per, I look at this video before today, so she was trying to say, like, you know, you are the man, you get out from my home right now, leave us alone, you get out. And then I was trying to say, mommy, mom, yes, I'm gonna go, don't worry, you know, in a low voice, I'm gonna go, don't worry, like, I'm gonna go, don't worry. [00:10:41] Speaker 2: And what language is your mom speaking? [00:10:43] Mr. Bot: So, she's not speaking Nepali here? She doesn't speak a lot. But she's speaking here, not Nepali? Not Nepali. Okay. [00:10:55] Speaker 2: So, I'm gonna, and now I'm gonna play, and I'm just gonna have you say, I'm gonna have you tell the jury what you're saying. I just don't want your mom to be a distraction in the back of this. Okay? So, I'm gonna play again. Sure. [00:11:07] Mr. Bot: I was saying, okay, mom, okay, I'm telling you, like, I cannot stay here. I'm gonna go out. I'm gonna move out. I'm gonna move out. You're gonna move out. [00:11:28] Speaker 2: You're gonna move out? [00:11:29] Mr. Bot: Yes. Okay. Stay up to there. My mom is, I'm telling to her mom, to my mom, yes, she threatening me every time. Not like we are not eating good, not doing well, anything not going good. I'm gonna leave mom, I'm gonna leave mom, I'm gonna leave mom. [00:11:55] Speaker 2: So, now, you stop talking. Let's, let's listen to, um, mom test. [00:12:00] Speaker 6: I'm gonna have to start 9-1-1 where is your emergency? [00:12:12] Speaker 5: Hello, I need your help in 9408. My husband has taken all my documents and, like, I need your help because I don't have anything with me. Um, because I don't have anything to do. [00:12:58] Speaker ?: Sorry? Sorry? [00:13:00] Speaker 5: Sorry? Yeah, you took, and I don't know where it is. Like, I need that document for everything, but I don't have access to anything, like. [00:13:13] Speaker 2: I backed it up. So, I'm gonna get back to that. Mr. Bach, what is she, she's saying that she doesn't have access to any of her documents. That's what she's saying. That's what she's saying to the police. Is that accurate? Yes. [00:13:30] Mr. Bot: No, not at all. [00:13:31] Speaker 2: Okay. Where, where are her documents? [00:13:34] Mr. Bot: All documents are at the, uh, her makeup drawer. [00:13:40] Speaker 3: Okay. [00:13:41] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:13:41] Speaker 3: Yes. [00:13:42] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:13:43] Speaker 2: And for the jury, because I think some of you didn't hear, I'm gonna just start from where she started talking again. If you can't hear, wave and we'll see if we can do something else. [00:13:59] Speaker 1: Hello. I need your help in 9408. My husband has taken all my documents and like, I need your help because I don't have anything to do. [00:14:14] Speaker 5: Sorry? Sorry? Sorry? Sorry? Yeah, he took and I don't know where is it. Like, I need that document for everything, but I don't have access to anything, like. He is here, but he is not giving me documents. I'm like, uh, he is giving me torture. [00:15:01] Mr. Bot: Okay. 9-1-1-1-1, how are your documents? Okay. [00:15:05] Speaker 2: You just said? [00:15:07] Mr. Bot: Great job. Thank you. Uh, you call to 9-1-1, ask them for the document. Thank you. Great job. And finally, what are you doing? [00:15:22] Speaker 5: Yes. Momtata-fli. M-A-M-T-A-K-A-F-L-E. I don't have phone number because he blocked my phone too. Yes. He is here. You can come and ask. [00:16:05] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:16:05] Speaker 5: Yes. [00:16:15] Speaker 6: Thank you so much. [00:16:32] Mr. Bot: Thank you so much. You are doing the great job. Thank you so much. Great job. [00:16:36] Speaker ?: What did you say there at the end? [00:16:37] Speaker 5: Thank you so much. You call to the 9-1-1. Everything is finished now. [00:16:49] Mr. Bot: Okay. Um, you were pretty, pretty sarcastic. Yes. I'm saying good word, but in a bad way. Um, were you upset? Yes. Um, why, why are you saying good job? You've done it now. Yes. It was, there was no document, no nothing like, uh, there wasn't any issue with the documents. Just she was telling about documents, this and that, you know, without reason calling those police. And then I work for like security clearance type of job. You know, I don't want to talk to any of the police law enforcement. So, I don't want to involve, this is not, this doesn't, in our even community, it doesn't look good. It looks bad. It means like, you know, whatever, whatever our stuff, it doesn't look good. [00:17:48] Speaker 2: Okay. And was there a second video? Yes. And, um, we'll watch that video. Okay. [00:17:55] Speaker 5: I called you just that with small discussion and this, uh, I don't want to make please you. Thank you. Yes. Just like, it was small discussion and it's already solved. Thank you. [00:18:21] Mr. Bot: Yes. I know 9-1-1 Congress came, so I was the cop. [00:18:27] Speaker 2: Did you just say? [00:18:29] Mr. Bot: Uh, she was trying to, not to come to the police. I was telling her, I know, you know, what happened once you called to the 9-1-1. I was in the police. That's what I'm saying. I was in the police. [00:18:49] Speaker 5: And, everything is good, Shrila. Okay. [00:18:51] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. [00:19:10] Speaker 2: What did you just say? [00:19:11] Mr. Bot: Thank you. You are doing a great job. [00:19:14] Speaker 2: Mr. Bhatt, you were, um, you were not sympathetic with her. [00:19:29] Mr. Bot: At that moment, no. [00:19:31] Speaker 2: Um, did you, um, did you talk to her after this was over with? [00:19:36] Mr. Bot: Not much, a little bit. [00:19:38] Speaker 2: Um, and what did, what did you say? Objection. I think he can say what he said to her. What's the basis for people? Yeah, what's the basis? It's a statement. [00:19:51] Speaker 7: It's not a statement against a party opponent. He's trying to introduce what Mafta said, which is hearsay. No, no, no. He's trying to introduce his own statement. I said what did he say. And that's a statement that's not against a party opponent. But for the truth of the matter, assert it. [00:20:05] Speaker 2: Um, no. Um, it's really where is your state of mind at this point? [00:20:11] Speaker 1: I'm going to allow it. [00:20:12] Mr. Bot: Then I said you did a good job, you know, now police going to come up. I'm not going to talk to them. You got to go talk to them. I'm not going to talk to them. So I'm not going to leave, uh, stay in this home with you. I'm going to move as soon as possible. [00:20:31] Speaker 2: And, um, did you, so you were verbally saying these bad things to her? [00:20:41] Mr. Bot: Yes. [00:20:42] Speaker 2: Did you touch her? Never. Never. Did you, did you use any kind of physical violence against her? Never. [00:20:51] Mr. Bot: Never, ever, ever. [00:20:52] Speaker 2: But in this particular moment? No. When she's calling the police and claiming something that isn't true, you're, you don't touch her? [00:21:00] Mr. Bot: No. [00:21:01] Speaker 2: Um, why did you want her? Why were you worried about the police coming? [00:21:07] Mr. Bot: No, I don't like that. You know, it's against my reputation, our family reputation. Top of that is against my clearance. I have to do like two, three days of because I had top secret SCI clearance and then Yankee White, a lot of clearance. So if I have to be even weakness, I have to submit a lot of paperwork. I have to do a lot of, you know, things at my job. So that's why I don't want to do any of those parts. [00:21:34] Speaker 2: Got it. Okay. So, um, around this time, um, Um, and Madam Clerk, can I have exhibit for Commonwealth 424B? Um, and then I have to do a lot of work. [00:22:05] Speaker ?: Um, and then I have to do a lot of work. Um, and then I have to do a lot of work. Um, and then I have to do a lot of work. 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[00:27:49] Speaker 3: And then I have to do a lot of work. [00:27:50] Speaker 2: Where that Wells Fargo page is. Do you have any idea what that is? [00:27:57] Mr. Bot: I do not. [00:27:58] Speaker 2: Do you remember it at all? [00:27:59] Mr. Bot: No, I do not. [00:28:00] Speaker 2: Okay. Just so, because it's a weird thing to be stuck in the middle. I just want the jury to know we're not, nobody knows what this is. [00:28:06] Mr. Bot: No, I do not. [00:28:07] Speaker 2: Okay. So then let's look at February 16th at 6:18 p.m. And do you recognize who is talking in that? And I can, I'm going to read to you what the Nepali interpretation is written in English. [00:28:42] Speaker 3: Sure. [00:28:43] Speaker 2: So that you can see what I'm talking about. It says, dear, I have left daughter at Yagya's place. Please take her with you. I have work tomorrow as well. I will not come there. So don't leave her there. I have been kicked out of home. I can go anywhere, but tomorrow I will not go there. Neither will I come home. Don't stress me. Bye. You see that? And you're on February 16th at 6:18 p.m. And it's the third page. [00:29:17] Mr. Bot: Yes, I see it. [00:29:22] Speaker 2: So at one point Mamta says, third line, I have been kicked out of home. I can go anywhere, but tomorrow I will not go there. Neither will I come home. What is, what do you understand I have been kicked out of home to mean? [00:29:40] Mr. Bot: It means the sense of the message is the home I live is not welcoming type of home. I'm not welcome at that home. So I can go wherever I want. Don't worry about me. Whatever I do, wherever I go, because I don't belong to that home, something like that. [00:30:01] Speaker 2: So did, did, was she kicked out in the American version of kicked out? [00:30:07] Mr. Bot: Never. No, it's never. [00:30:09] Speaker 2: And when you read the Nepali here, is that how you read her message? [00:30:15] Mr. Bot: It is completely different since when, you know, it's about the cultural things and then language. So it's completely different since kicked out is completely different since means I'm going to try to like, Hey, get out of my home. That is kicked out. And then if somebody like, I don't feel comfortable or if I'm going to leave, for example, voluntarily resign the job, that is not the kicked out. That is not the forceful exit. But like, you know, don't find the good at job. I, I think that is the appropriate example. That is not the kicked out. English meaning is not close to the word what used here. [00:30:53] Speaker 2: And that was your understanding of that exchange. [00:30:56] Mr. Bot: That is in general understanding and my understanding as well. [00:30:59] Speaker 2: So going down that same page, the last entry there, which is February 16th at 8:30 PM. Mr. Bach, do you see where the timestamps on, on the right? Okay. I see. February 16th at 8:30 PM. The English says, send daughter in child custody or give her to me or keep her with you or keep with you. What is child custody meaning in that? [00:31:28] Mr. Bot: Baby care place. [00:31:30] Speaker 2: A what? [00:31:31] Mr. Bot: Baby care, uh, baby care place. Daycare place? [00:31:35] Speaker 2: Daycare place. Okay. [00:31:37] Mr. Bot: Or babysitting place. Okay. [00:31:39] Speaker 2: And do you know the way child custody is interpreted today in the United States? Now I know. [00:31:47] Mr. Bot: At that time, I did not know that. Okay. [00:31:49] Speaker 2: So you didn't mean that like CPS should come get your daughter? No. [00:31:53] Mr. Bot: At that time, even I don't know what the CPS is. What that means, I have no idea at all. Okay. [00:31:59] Speaker 2: And, and what you're talking about is daycare? [00:32:02] Mr. Bot: Either daycare where the baby is taken care by people or myself or yourself, not the third party. [00:32:11] Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. Um, on February 16th at 10:03 PM. So three, the next page, the English translation is, you've put me in a position where I might even lose my job. Who is, who is that? [00:32:37] Mr. Bot: Yes, sir. That's, I'm telling her. [00:32:39] Speaker 2: Okay. And what do you, what do you, why do you say that? [00:32:43] Mr. Bot: Uh, because you know, like the, those police, you know, police stuff. And then what I'm trying to indicate here is my trying to like, you know, if my clearance is gone, that impact to the job is automatically gone. If you do not have a clearance anymore, you cannot work at the White House. So that's what I'm indicating here. That police call doing these and that hamper to clearance. Okay. [00:33:11] Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. So next, um, it's just one line down from there and it's at February 16th at 10:06. And the English is when you are alone, you talk nicely, but whoever has been instigating you, you may eventually regret. What are you suggesting there? First of all, what do you mean by whoever's instigating you? And second, what do you mean by you may eventually regret? [00:33:43] Mr. Bot: Uh, I'm not saying eventually. Yes. If the real meaning is slowly, slow or something like that. It's not eventually. So slowly you will feel bad once your, you know, family's income job gone, somebody's job gone that who care the families and one another thing. [00:34:05] Speaker 2: So Mr. Bhatt, I think, and this may be just a problem of translation. What's been written in English and you may need to look at the Nepali. I don't know. Yes. What's written in English is when you are alone, you talk nicely, but whoever has been instigating you, not, not, uh, eventually it's whoever's been instigating. [00:34:25] Mr. Bot: Advising kind of. [00:34:26] Speaker 2: So do you know, so do you understand what instigating? [00:34:30] Mr. Bot: Yes, ma'am. [00:34:31] Speaker 2: And is that the, the mean, is that what you were intending to convey that she's being, someone is instigating? [00:34:38] Mr. Bot: Yes. At that point. [00:34:40] Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. And then you say you may eventually regret. What do you mean by that? [00:34:47] Mr. Bot: I was saying. [00:34:50] Speaker 2: Um, slowly you will regret. Okay. And what did you mean you would, that she would regret it? [00:35:00] Mr. Bot: If you know, like I lost the job, we lost the home. [00:35:04] Speaker 2: Okay. Were you, were you threatening her with physical violence here? [00:35:09] Mr. Bot: Not physical violence, emotional. Okay. [00:35:12] Speaker 2: Okay. Moving to, um, February 17th at 9:48. [00:35:26] Speaker ?: And Mr. Bott, that's going to be two pages ahead. [00:35:26] Speaker 2: And on nine, at 9:48, you say, um, there's, there's two lines here. One of them is, Nima doesn't have insurance. How am I supposed to take her? Who is that? Who is that? [00:35:49] Mr. Bot: Mamta. [00:35:50] Speaker 2: Okay. And then you say, or the next person says, there is, but do whatever your people tell you to do. First of all, what does there is mean? [00:35:59] Mr. Bot: I'm trying to say in Nepali, means yes, Nima does have an insurance, health insurance. Okay. [00:36:07] Speaker 2: And then what is, but do whatever your people tell you to do. [00:36:11] Mr. Bot: I'm trying to tell her not in a nice way, like whoever instigating you follow them. If you do not want to take the baby, follow them, whatever they're going to say. [00:36:20] Speaker 2: Okay. And then next, um, February 17th at 9:49. And that's just the next page. I'm sorry. Same page. February 17th, 9:51. You're right. It's the same page. So at the bottom of that page, it says, um, I don't have car, money, phone, nothing. I can't take her. Who is saying that? [00:37:04] Mr. Bot: Mamta saying that she doesn't, she cannot take baby to the doctor's office. Okay. [00:37:11] Speaker 2: And she says, I don't have a car, a money or phone. Nothing. I can't take her. Does she have money and a phone? Yes. [00:37:19] Mr. Bot: Money. I don't know exactly how much phone. She has iPhone 15 pro max and iPhone seven plus. [00:37:25] Speaker 2: And does she have a credit card? [00:37:27] Mr. Bot: She has a credit card and debit cards. [00:37:30] Speaker 2: So she has access to money, even if she doesn't have cash in her pocket. Yes. Does she have a car at this point? [00:37:36] Mr. Bot: No. [00:37:37] Speaker 2: Okay. So one of those things is accurate. She doesn't have a car. Yeah. [00:37:41] Mr. Bot: I took the car to New Jersey. Uh, I was taking car, New Jersey. I was at New Jersey. [00:37:46] Speaker 2: Okay. And, um, does she know, I, she knows how to use Uber and Lyft and get rides, I assume. [00:37:52] Speaker 3: Yes. Okay. [00:37:54] Speaker 2: Then after that, um, at, on February 17th at 9:51, you say, your own people must have told you that. Must have told you that. Must have told you that. [00:38:17] Speaker 3: Do what they say. [00:38:19] Mr. Bot: I was trying to say, not in a nice way. Whatever your people instigating you, follow them. You know, she may be saying something and then I'm replying her. So do whatever your people are saying, whoever you are staying with, follow them, do whatever you want to do. [00:38:39] Speaker 2: Okay. And then on February 17th at 10:47, just below that, um, there are two, uh, the, yeah, there are two actually, who is that speaking at 10:47? Uh, and it says, you must care so much about the family. That's probably why we're getting divorced. [00:39:17] Mr. Bot: Yeah, because I was telling her, you don't care about the family. You care about the money more than family, daughter, stuff like that. And then she replying me in a bad sense, the same way I was doing, look nice, but not a nice way. So you care family. That's why we are, you are giving me the divorce or something like that. [00:39:37] Speaker 2: Okay. And then very, very soon after that at 10:53, you reply. Oh, so you care. That's why you treated my mother, father, relatives, and friends so well and brought the police to our home for security. Why are you throwing that back at her? [00:40:01] Mr. Bot: I was unkind. Saying good word, but in a bad way. [00:40:08] Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. And then, um, the next is at 2:17 at 10:57. Um, it's, that's, who is that speaking? Momta. She says, you forced me to do all that. I'm a human being too. And then what's your reply to that? [00:40:26] Mr. Bot: I just laugh, make it as a joke. [00:40:31] Speaker 2: So you say, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. [00:40:34] Mr. Bot: That is correct. [00:40:35] Speaker 2: From her comment that she's a human being. [00:40:38] Mr. Bot: Yeah. I just make a laugh. [00:40:40] Speaker 2: Why did you do that? [00:40:42] Mr. Bot: I'm really not trying to be very kind. Like, uh, I don't know. Like, it's like the way she replied, that's not true. That's the meaning of my laughing is like, it's not serious. It's not serious. It's not serious something, uh, what you just write me down. That's not something serious. You are just making a statement that doesn't make any sense. That's what I'm trying to say. [00:41:09] Speaker 2: Okay. Um, and then on February 18th, which is two pages later, at 9:32, there's a video. [00:41:23] Speaker 3: Yes. [00:41:24] Mr. Bot: Yes. [00:41:25] Speaker 2: What is that of? Do you know what that is of? What that video is? Yeah, I know that. Do you remember? [00:41:30] Mr. Bot: What is it of? It is the video at Virginia Beach. It's a TikTok video. And, uh, when, like, we were in Wisconsin, in this video, uh, Mamta is trying to make a TikTok video with one of the Hindi songs, Indian songs. So, we were, like, we were practicing on the video and then some way one of these videos goes on her TikTok profile. It's a kind of, a lot of views and then, you know, a lot of comments. That's the, this video, very nice video. Looked like real movie video or stuff like that. Nice video. [00:42:07] Speaker 2: Were both of you in that video? Exactly. [00:42:10] Mr. Bot: I do not remember. Both of us, including few others as well. [00:42:14] Speaker 2: So, more than just the both of you. [00:42:16] Mr. Bot: That's what I believe, more than two. Well, Mamta and myself, and then there are two other, uh, senior couple. Maybe they are on their sixties. They just lost their son. So, we take them and then three other young gentlemen, all from Nepal. [00:42:30] Speaker 2: And, um, is, does this, is this the same timeframe as that photo of you and Mamta on the beach and you're, like, trying to dance? That's correct. [00:42:40] Mr. Bot: Yes. [00:42:41] Speaker 2: So, the same sort of, like, you're trying to learn how to dance and she's trying to teach you. That is correct. [00:42:45] Mr. Bot: Yeah. That's the same one. [00:42:47] Speaker 2: Were you all happy when you were making that video? [00:42:50] Mr. Bot: Yeah, that was a great moment, yes. [00:42:53] Speaker 2: And so, when you, you respond to that video later that night, um, she sends it at 9:32. You respond on February 18th at 10:07. [00:43:05] Speaker 3: I see. [00:43:07] Speaker 2: And you say, what do you say there? [00:43:11] Mr. Bot: I was trying to say it's really, really nice video and then we are not doing good. Don't send this type of video to me to make me, you know, like, sad or something like that. [00:43:20] Speaker 2: You say, I don't need to see this. [00:43:22] Mr. Bot: Yes. [00:43:23] Speaker 2: And then the next thing you say is, please do not provoke me for suicide. What do you mean? [00:43:29] Mr. Bot: Uh, really, it doesn't mean, like, just kind of, I'm threatening her to suicide, something like that. But, it doesn't really mean I want to do suicide. But, like, you know, situation, our relations, not, I'm not going to say, I'm going to take my word back, relation. So, our home environment wasn't that very good. But, like, you know, you are seeing the best type of video ever we have in our life, best type of moment. You trying to memorize me, those best moments right before my birthday. She changed my birthday as well. [00:43:59] Speaker 2: What do you mean she changed your birthday? [00:44:02] Mr. Bot: Because, actually, none of my mom, my dad, nobody know when I was born. So, my wife later say, like, okay, I'm going to make you like my son. So, she changed my birthday. [00:44:14] Speaker 2: So, you would have an actual date. [00:44:16] Mr. Bot: So, we went to the mountains and then meet some of the pundits. And then she guessed, like, you know, that was the day. Because something, my dad say, something king, when I was born, my mom and dad have little memories. Somebody king has something to do. Then my mom figured it out. Okay, I'm going to give you the 19th, your date of birth. Now you became like my son. I will celebrate your birthday every time in 19th. [00:44:40] Speaker 2: So, she wanted to have a date to celebrate on. Yes. [00:44:44] Mr. Bot: Usually, I never celebrate it. I never do the cake or stuff like that. She just, you know, okay, this is the one day we're going to do that. It is a few hours before that day. Okay. [00:44:55] Speaker 2: Okay. And then, on February 19th at 1:30, you say the days are coming that you will regret a lot. You are so cruel. You can do anything for money. What kind of husband you'd get? [00:45:14] Speaker 3: I'm not sure what that word is. [00:45:19] Speaker 2: My daughter will suffer more. How her stepfather would treat her. [00:45:27] Mr. Bot: I was giving her here a bad sense. You know, usually, like, if in our culture, you know, second husband doesn't count, like, very good, you know. So, like, you know, and then I'm trying to say here, like, you know, I'm not worried about you, but I'm worried about the daughter we have. So, it depends her happiness or her everything depends on the person you might go after me. Okay. [00:45:57] Speaker 2: And then on February 19th at 7:30 in the morning, you just said that's your birthday, right? February 19th? [00:46:20] Speaker 3: As per her, yes. [00:46:21] Mr. Bot: And she says, "Happy Birthday, Raja. [00:46:22] Speaker 2: May all your wishes come true." [00:46:23] Mr. Bot: Yes. That's sincere? [00:46:25] Speaker 2: Yes. Did you interpret -- I withdraw the question, Judge. I'll ask it a different way. How did you interpret that message? It's not in a bad way. [00:46:44] Mr. Bot: It's really wishing from real -- real way. It's real wish because that's real birthday. It is a real wish from her heart or I can say it doesn't have any bad sense. I do not accept it as a bad sense. The way we were -- we have a conversation before, this is right way. We don't have to put this in a bad way because that's real birthday. [00:47:12] Speaker 2: She's not being sarcastic with you. [00:47:14] Mr. Bot: No. In this sentence, not at all. It's real. [00:47:17] Speaker 2: And I'm sorry. I should have -- I skipped one over. I skipped over one. If you go back a page, bottom February 19th, 1:31 in the morning, you say -- and this is before she sent you the birthday message. I read it out of order. That was my mistake. Before she sent that, you say the days are coming that you will regret a lot. And then you say you are so cruel you'll do anything for money. What did you mean when you say -- I don't know why I missed that. The days are coming that you will regret a lot. [00:47:54] Mr. Bot: It's American way, it looks a little, you know, bad. But like, you know, the way I'm saying here, you know, like, if you keep doing these stuff, it's going to be like regret. Pachutu chaab is really regret? Regret. Regret. [00:48:09] Speaker 3: You witness asked in Nepali that Pachutu is regret. And that is absolutely right translation. Regret is the right translation. [00:48:19] Mr. Bot: Yes. [00:48:20] Speaker 2: So, I'm sorry. What does that mean, you're going to regret? [00:48:25] Mr. Bot: You're going to lose something. Like, you know, you're not going to have the same luxury or same thing what we have right now. [00:48:34] Speaker 2: And were you talking about physical things, a relationship, a family, what are you doing? [00:48:39] Mr. Bot: I'm here exactly indicating because the conversation going on from the top to bottom. I'm trying to indicate, like, the job of my job, you know, like, what's going to happen if these things happen. I'm trying to indicate my job here, my work at the D.C. [00:48:58] Speaker 2: She's going to regret it because you're going to lose your job. Yes. [00:49:01] Mr. Bot: She feels proud more than I do at my job. And then she has all those stuff, whatever belongs to my job, like, you know, cop, whatever, like, write down White House. That's always her. [00:49:11] Speaker 2: And you said she's proud of your job. [00:49:14] Mr. Bot: Very proud. Yeah. Even, like, my job doesn't -- now I'm telling you, but, like, you know, usually where do you work? I work in D.C. Even some Walmart people knew that because he keep telling, hey, he works with my husband, work in the White House. Do you know that? [00:49:28] Speaker 2: And then the next morning, so you send that at 1:30 -- 1:31 in the morning. And then a few hours later, she sends you a birthday wish. Mm-hmm. And your perception is that that's -- she's not bitter or cynical with you in that. [00:49:50] Mr. Bot: You know, happy birthday is really from, you know, bottom of heart. [00:49:55] Speaker 2: Okay. So then on February 19th at 9:38 -- [00:50:06] Mr. Bot: Yes. [00:50:07] Speaker 2: You say you respond -- I'm sorry, is that you responding? [00:50:12] Mr. Bot: That is correct. [00:50:13] Speaker 2: And this is a couple of hours after she sent you the birthday wish? [00:50:18] Speaker 3: Yes. Is that right? [00:50:20] Speaker 2: That's correct. You say, I will come to pick up our daughter at 10:15 for a few hours if you allow me. Otherwise, you can take care of her. What is your -- what is your emotion when you're typing this? Are you still being cynical and snarky? [00:50:35] Mr. Bot: There are two -- one hidden meaning. One, I did not like, you know, even thumbs up or I did not say even thank you or something. That means I'm not doing good. I'm not -- [00:50:49] Speaker 2: You didn't thank her for your birthday wish? [00:50:51] Mr. Bot: No. Even like I did not thumbs up or usually I do thumbs up or thank you. I did not did here. That means like I'm rude. [00:50:59] Speaker ?: You're rude? [00:51:00] Speaker 2: Is that what you said? I just want to make sure the jury can understand your -- [00:51:05] Mr. Bot: I can understand that is like not very -- If somebody says thank you, somebody did not say welcome, that means that doesn't sound very good similar way. Okay. So she say like happy birthday to you in a nice way. So I did not respond. It means like not very kind, not very normal. So that is the hidden meaning. And then directly I'm asking here, even in this meaning, American way, it looks very good. But as we convert this in our culture, I'm asking for my own daughter. It doesn't mean I have to like, hey, can I have my daughter? That means like I'm trying to show her, okay, it means like you have all the power. I do not have any power. I kind of victimize myself in a bad way. [00:51:52] Speaker 2: When you say if you'll allow it. [00:51:54] Mr. Bot: Yeah. If you allowed it, I'm not supposed to say that. In American way, this is very good. Like, you know, I'm supposed to say like if you allow me. In Nepalese way, I'm not supposed to say that, you know, if you allow me, that's my own daughter. So I'm not supposed to say that in either way. If she's doing the same conversation or I'm doing the same conversation, so -- [00:52:16] Speaker 2: So you're still not where she is in terms of how you're treating her? No. So we talked about, and as it goes on, you ask her February 19th at 1:34, are we going to file our taxes jointly or separately? And what are we going to do about the police report? What are you asking her to do about a police report? [00:52:50] Mr. Bot: In real fact, this is also not very nice way. So I'm asking her on the 14th February when the police came, the one of the police, he testified, that was completely irrelevant. I did not go even downstairs. I did not go even downstairs. The police officers say like I go downstairs. I did not give -- [00:53:09] Speaker 2: What did you ask her to do? What did you ask mom to do? [00:53:16] Mr. Bot: Oh, do you want to file tax with me or not? Or when you're going to write that down, what you talk to the police officer. Can you email that? When you're going to email that? What you talk to the police officer. [00:53:30] Speaker 2: Why did you need that? [00:53:31] Mr. Bot: I need just in case for the -- submit my office and for my clearance. So you were concerned about your job. [00:53:37] Speaker 2: Yes. Okay. Mr. Bott, were you being -- you've said the word a couple of times. Were you being kind to Manta in this conversation? [00:54:05] Mr. Bot: No. [00:54:06] Speaker 2: Were you being, frankly, a little emotionally cruel to Manta in this conversation? Yes. Were you being a good husband to her at that time? [00:54:18] Mr. Bot: At that time period, no. [00:54:21] Speaker 2: Was she trying to be kind to you? [00:54:25] Speaker 3: No. [00:54:26] Speaker 2: Even with the birthday wish? [00:54:29] Mr. Bot: At that moment? Yes. That one, you know, takes message. Yes. [00:54:36] Speaker 2: Okay. Does the court want to take a break? Maybe we should ask the jurors if they want to -- [00:54:59] Speaker 1: We're probably good for a little while longer. Are you all good? Yes. [00:55:02] Speaker 2: Okay. Great. [00:55:04] Speaker ?: All right. Great. Okay. [00:55:13] Speaker 2: So, this is the paper copy of that. I'm going to approach Mr. Bott. Mr. Bott. I'm going to return this. Do you recognize what this exchange is -- who this exchange is with? Do you know what's up? [00:55:42] Speaker 6: If you go to February 16th or so. [00:55:53] Mr. Bot: Oh, I guess one of -- I guess it is one of my -- Speaking in the microphone. I guess this is one of my tenant's cousin. Okay. Basement tenant's cousin. Tenant's cousin. Where? On the basement at Heather Court home. Okay. [00:56:06] Speaker 2: And do you recognize that thread of conversation that you have in front of you? If you just flip through the pages real quick and just make sure you recognize what that is. You don't need to read every single one, Mr. Bott. Yes. You recognize what it is and the time frame of it. [00:56:44] Mr. Bot: Yes. Time frame somewhere when they used to live at the basement. I recognize this. Okay. I understand and I recognize this. [00:56:57] Speaker 2: And do you -- is it a true and accurate copy of the communications that you had with that basement tenant? [00:57:06] Mr. Bot: Yes, it is true. [00:57:07] Speaker 2: And yourself over that time period? Yes, it is true. [00:57:09] Mr. Bot: Okay. [00:57:10] Speaker 2: And so I would ask that this be labeled and I would ask to move. [00:57:13] Speaker 7: Colin's going to object to the admission of this document. Approach. [00:57:16] Speaker 2: I have to see this. Okay. [00:57:18] Speaker ?: Okay. All right. The objection to defendants 12 was sustained. Okay. Thank you. I will not let you talk about it. Okay. [00:57:23] Speaker 1: Oh, yeah. I want to get that back for me, Mr. Bott. Thank you. [00:57:26] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:57:26] Speaker 1: Thank you. [00:57:27] Speaker ?: Thank you. [00:57:27] Speaker 6: Thank you. I will not let you talk about it. Oh, yeah. I want to get that back for me, Mr. Bott. [00:57:31] Speaker ?: Thank you. Okay. So now, uh, I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. [00:57:35] Speaker 2: I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. [00:57:41] Speaker ?: I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. [00:57:48] Speaker 2: I will not let you talk about it. 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I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. [01:00:50] Speaker 2: I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. [01:00:59] Mr. Bot: I will not let you talk about it. I will not let you talk about it. Usually we have a deep conversation. They get a lot of traffic tickets. So they know that I was in the military. They think like I know everything. So come with the help for the job. Sometimes, you know, like they get the mail. Don't understand. You know, I was helping those stuff. Then relationship getting better. And then we start joking, eating together. [01:01:30] Speaker 2: You remember when Rodolfo first came to the United States, first came to be a tenant in your building? [01:01:38] Mr. Bot: I do not remember exactly. Back and forth. You know, they keep, they have like a lot of friends too. Like, you know, keep coming back and forth, back and forth. I will talk to all of them. Like even like, they have a friends. You know, I talk to all of them. They are nice people. [01:01:51] Speaker 2: So, Mr. Bob, if I showed you a document that you think that you might be, your recollection would be refreshed for when you first met and started talking with Mr. Rodolfo? Sure. And that's this document. I'm going to show him that. [01:02:14] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:02:15] Speaker 2: Take a look at this. Once you've looked at it, look up at me. [01:02:23] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:02:24] Speaker 2: And so let me ask you the question again. Do you know, do you remember the date you first started communicating with Rodolfo? [01:02:30] Mr. Bot: December 9th. Okay. [01:02:32] Speaker 2: Do you remember the date you, the last communication you had with Rodolfo? No. And if I showed you the document, do you think that that might recollect your, refresh your recollection? Sure. Okay. Let me show you. Let me show you that. And then look up when you're done. [01:02:49] Mr. Bot: 7:20. [01:02:50] Speaker 2: Don't say it yet. Does that refresh your recollection? Yes, ma'am. So, tell me, what was the last date you communicated with Rodolfo? 7:22, 2024. [01:02:57] Mr. Bot: Okay. [01:02:58] Speaker 2: And during that period, between those two, did you communicate with Rodolfo a lot? [01:03:05] Mr. Bot: A lot. Even, not only in the text messages, Google translate a lot. Sometimes, just only the hand symbols. If I say like this, and then he say work, like, you know, so a lot. This type of communication also a lot. [01:03:20] Speaker 2: Did he, what did you, what kinds of things did you do with one another? [01:03:25] Mr. Bot: First, it was like very formal, normal. Later, like, you know, everything like how, like, you know, close friends do, but like, the language is always barrier. Even, he mentioned a lot of time in the text messages, you know, helping traffic tickets, you know, making bad jokes, stuff like that. [01:03:44] Speaker 2: Could you, could, could either of you speak the other's language? [01:03:47] Mr. Bot: Would you mind to repeat that one more time, please? [01:03:49] Speaker 2: Can either of you speak the other person's language? [01:03:52] Mr. Bot: No. [01:03:53] Speaker 2: How did you communicate? [01:03:54] Mr. Bot: Google translate, text message, and symbol, hand symbols. [01:03:59] Speaker 2: And what language would you use Google translate to communicate in? [01:04:04] Mr. Bot: English to Spanish. Okay. [01:04:06] Speaker 2: So, did there come a time, well, let me ask, do you remember specifically any of the, like, the tickets? You mentioned traffic tickets. Yes. Did you help them with that? Yes. And, and did you, is there anything else you can remember now that you helped them with? [01:04:27] Speaker 7: Yes. Judge, I'm going to just object to the relevance of this portion of where we are. Again, I'm trying. [01:04:32] Speaker 1: For a little leeway. [01:04:33] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:04:34] Mr. Bot: Buying the TV, phone, traffic ticket, other legal mails, immigration documents, financial. Okay. [01:04:47] Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. So, at some point between December and July, do you remember the conversation via chat that you had with him that began on February 20th? Yes. And, um, and when you, you did the first chat there on February 20th at 8:06 a.m.? Yes. [01:05:12] Mr. Bot: Do you see that? Yes, I see that. [01:05:14] Speaker 2: And you say, I need Columbia girl. What is that about? [01:05:19] Mr. Bot: It doesn't come from nowhere. It come from, like, we have a lot of conversation and then, you know, before this as well, it doesn't come suddenly from nowhere. It has a lot of conversation before. I write it down. Yes, it is correct. And, uh, I was, it is not something very serious. And then we were joking a lot of other stuff as well. So, we don't have, like, whole conversation. So, if we have a whole conversation, then we can get it better. [01:05:47] Speaker 2: And his response, according to this document, is, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. That's the one I'm going to present to you at any moment. And voice presents me with one from here. I need to fall in love also, be able to nationalize myself here, and then invite you to go on a trip to Columbia. Did you think any of that was true? [01:06:06] Mr. Bot: No. Okay. [01:06:08] Speaker 2: Okay. And then you respond later that day. You say, okay, please introduce me to the Colombian girl today. Why did you say that? [01:06:18] Mr. Bot: It is just part of the fun. Okay. [01:06:21] Speaker 2: Um, and you say, I need a good girl. [01:06:24] Speaker ?: Same thing. [01:06:25] Mr. Bot: Continuation. Okay. [01:06:27] Speaker 2: And then his response is, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. Okay. Ready. When she arrives, I will introduce her to you as she is about to arrive. Did you think that that was real? No. You say, thank you so much. If we both like each other, we will marry in the future. [01:06:43] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:06:44] Mr. Bot: Here is like some other twist as well. My phone is always open. So, you know, Mamta could see this. [01:06:53] Speaker 2: And so, did you think she might see this? [01:06:56] Mr. Bot: She not might, she saw it. [01:06:58] Speaker 2: Okay. So, did you know that Mamta could get into your phone? [01:07:05] Mr. Bot: Yeah, I have the, you know, like, you know, same password for forever. [01:07:09] Speaker 2: Okay. And you were aware of that? [01:07:12] Mr. Bot: I want to show her. [01:07:13] Speaker 2: You wanted to show her. Yes. So, you thought Mamta would see this? Yes. [01:07:19] Mr. Bot: She see that and then later realized that, you know, after a few, you know, few months, she realized that I know what you are. She know that what I'm trying to do. Like, I know what you are doing. I know who you are, so. [01:07:31] Speaker 2: And what did she, what do you mean, I know what you're doing? [01:07:35] Mr. Bot: She was trying, like, she knew that I was trying to make her jealous. [01:07:39] Speaker 2: And then it goes on, the 21st, you say, he says, that seems perfect, it seems great, that we'll just do one wedding. And that's it. One wedding between all four of you. Yes. And you say, yes, sir, how long does it take to bring that girl to me? Are you, are you, are you serious about any of that? [01:08:05] Mr. Bot: Not at all. [01:08:06] Speaker 2: And then, and you say, okay, send me photos. Did you want him to send you photos of some Colombian girl that he was going to hook you up with? [01:08:17] Mr. Bot: It was that type of relationship. If he send, I'm not going to say, oh, I'm going to delete this and that because, you know, like, it was casual type of conversation. If you send the photo, I'm going to definitely say, oh, yeah, beautiful, nice. And then before the conversation, how this started, he talk about the Columbia had the best girl in the world because I was about to get married at one point. She was a Miss Nepal in Nepal. So she was here in Boston, uh, Boston, Massachusetts. So we talk about that. And then I did not know at that time, the most beautiful girl in the world goes to the Columbia. And then he say, he say like, we have all, don't worry. We're going to give you all beautiful girl. That's how the conversation comes up. [01:09:00] Speaker 2: Like a Miss World kind of? Yes. [01:09:02] Mr. Bot: Yes. Miss World kind of. [01:09:04] Speaker ?: Yes. Okay. [01:09:06] Speaker 2: And then you talk about some other things on March 1st. Uh, he reaches out to you about, about a police issue that he had. Do you remember what this was about? [01:09:17] Mr. Bot: Usually, like, I need to read. Otherwise, usually they have a traffic or some ticket, you know, those types of issues. [01:09:23] Speaker 7: The defense statement's not responsive to the question. [01:09:26] Speaker 2: So do you remember specifically what this, uh, I'm leaving you the document. I have an appointment on March 8th at 9 o'clock because of the police issue that I had. Remember, it will be next Friday. I will have it. [01:09:39] Mr. Bot: Yes, I remember. Remember this? [01:09:41] Speaker 2: Yes. [01:09:42] Mr. Bot: And what is this about? [01:09:43] Speaker 2: Traffic ticket. Okay. Um, your response is, okay, I'll talk to my manager today for day off on Friday and I will let you know. What is that about? [01:09:52] Mr. Bot: Uh, because I was working. So like, you know, I already promised him, like, I will go court with you to help your language. And then he has a traffic ticket. So like, I need to take off from the job. So I'll talk to my manager to get the day off. And then if in, in case I did not get the day off, I already told him, I will find someone to help you out. Otherwise, I will go myself. [01:10:12] Speaker 2: Okay. [01:10:13] Mr. Bot: Or Mumta also like, you know, Mumta. Otherwise, like, you know, if I don't find, we will talk to the Mumta and then Mumta also can go and then facilitate to you guys for the language. [01:10:21] Speaker 2: You might have asked Mumta to go. [01:10:22] Mr. Bot: Okay. [01:10:23] Speaker 2: You might have asked Mumta to go with him. [01:10:25] Mr. Bot: We already asked. [01:10:26] Speaker 2: Okay. And then three days later, you come back 9:46 at night and you say, where is my girl? What is this? Yeah. [01:10:36] Mr. Bot: This is like, keep continuation of the same stuff. [01:10:39] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:10:40] Speaker 2: Um, and then just a minute later, you say, I will go to, I will go court with you guys. [01:10:47] Mr. Bot: Same continuation because I promised them to go court and then I may be approved from my job today off. But I will, I say like, I'm going to go court with you guys to help you out. [01:10:58] Speaker 2: Okay. And then just 12 minutes later, you say, how long does it take to come Colombian girl for me still in the border? [01:11:07] Mr. Bot: Yeah. I just keep continuation again. [01:11:10] Speaker 2: Okay. And you've added like, she's still at the border in there. [01:11:13] Mr. Bot: And then somehow he mentioned me like something like, you know, I do not exactly recall. But yeah, it's crossing border or coming like, you know, girl from Colombia, stuff like that. [01:11:23] Speaker 2: And so he says, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha. We haven't introduced her to you because we heard that your wife might be here and that you're back with her home. So we better said that when her wife isn't here, we'll introduce her to you. [01:11:35] Mr. Bot: Over here, he is mean to like, you know, some, some, some sort of stuff like, you know, your wife going to get mad. Your wife is still there. We don't know like it's your wife or not. Some, something like that. We're like, you know, he was worried about if. Objection. Distained. [01:11:52] Speaker 2: Okay. So yeah, you can't say what someone else says. Oh, okay. You can only, you can only answer the question about this. Question one more time, please. So a day later in the morning, you say we are going divorce. My wife is here temporarily because we are working on divorcing court and she is paying rent to stay here. Is any of that true when you're saying that to him? [01:12:19] Mr. Bot: No, it is just try to make jealous to my wife. Okay. [01:12:23] Speaker 2: And you, you think at this point that she's going to see this? [01:12:27] Mr. Bot: Yes. [01:12:28] Speaker 2: Did you become aware later whether she did see it? [01:12:31] Mr. Bot: She did see it and then she responded me. Okay. [01:12:35] Speaker 2: And then later on the same day, so March 5, only this time it's 9:13 PM. Where's my girl? I want the Colombian girl. If she wants to talk to me now, I can talk to her. If you like each other, we can start new life after my divorce paperwork done. [01:12:59] Mr. Bot: Same continuation, making jealous. Okay. [01:13:02] Speaker 2: And at this point, there is a, there is a, let me ask this a different way. Was there a, was there, were there women living in the basement? [01:13:21] Mr. Bot: I exactly do not recall. Sometimes they have like, you know, I already mentioned people back and forth, come, go, come, go. So I always talk to like whoever is there, you know, during the weekends, you know, like, hey, what's up, Ola? You know, but I remember only one, the Tatiana, she is the living over there permanently, who already came here, testified. That's the one I know. [01:13:45] Speaker 2: So she's, she's there all the time. [01:13:47] Mr. Bot: Yeah. She's there all the time. But like other, like, you know, many keep coming, going, coming, going. I don't know. [01:13:53] Speaker 2: And did you, did there come a time when another female that was related to these folks came to stay there and you charged her rent? [01:14:02] Mr. Bot: No. Uh, the male that Andres and like somebody else, I guess their sister or something like that. They already usually like the, how it goes. If they have an extra people, they already say like, they're going to charge like $800 to them. They say like, we will do 50, 50. I said, okay, you know, it's good deal for me. So they always calculate themselves. I never count like, you know, who is living, who is not living. So I clearly tell them it is your home also. You have to take care of your home. So, you know, your, this is now our home. Don't do the bad jobs here that you keep doing that. And then they say laughing and then, okay, you're not going to do that. [01:14:43] Speaker 2: So, uh, so cause he references, um, and if it comes to that, my sister doesn't give me a positive answer. I will tell you and do my best to talk to some Colombian friends who work here in the company. Okay. Don't worry. I'm in those trying to see how I can, since you have told us, help the lot. And that's at 3-5 at 9:31. [01:15:05] Mr. Bot: I see it. [01:15:06] Speaker 2: Same. Anything different there? [01:15:08] Mr. Bot: No. [01:15:09] Speaker 2: Is there anything in this exchange where you're referencing a Columbia girl that is serious? [01:15:17] Mr. Bot: Nothing serious. The topic come from the Miss World. [01:15:20] Speaker 2: Uh, from the Miss World pageant. Yes. And, um, were you writing only so that Rodolfo can see these messages? No, it's still in my phone. [01:15:36] Mr. Bot: Were you writing? [01:15:37] Speaker 2: Was this the only person that you were expecting to see it? [01:15:41] Mr. Bot: That is correct. Was there anybody? [01:15:43] Speaker 2: Maybe I'm asking poorly because you've said something else. Did you think someone else was going to see these messages? [01:15:49] Mr. Bot: In my, at my end, my end, Mumta. [01:15:52] Speaker 2: And you, you were sure that was going to happen? [01:15:56] Mr. Bot: 100%. If not, I'm going to like open the phone, so something, and then she saw, and then she, and then we had a conversation. So I know what you are trying to do. I'm not going to get jealous about this. I know who you are. I know what you are talking about, what, why you are doing this. So. [01:16:14] Speaker 2: And this is a time, um, this is February 20th. So it's six days after this episode on Valentine's Day, right? What is your, how good is your relationship with Mumta at that point on February 20th, from your perspective? [01:16:32] Mr. Bot: It is not getting better. It is declining. [01:16:37] Speaker 2: Is she, um, is she, is she in the house? Is she living at the house? Yes. [01:16:43] Mr. Bot: She come in 19th, uh, on, during that birthday. Those tenants want to celebrate my birthday. Their son also has a birthday or something. So Mumta came back on 19th. So she was at home. [01:16:56] Speaker 2: So how long, how many, what days was she gone? [01:17:01] Mr. Bot: I believe it was 15th or 16th of the February, came back 19th. [01:17:06] Speaker 2: Okay. So she had been, she had left the house during that three or four days. [01:17:10] Mr. Bot: That is correct. [01:17:12] Speaker 1: If you're done with this, it's probably a good time to stop. [01:17:17] Speaker 2: I, um, if you can give me, let me, give me one second to make sure that this is the, I, I am very close. No problem. That is part of my, my thinking about this right now. Uh, I'm going to ask three or four questions. Okay. Um, were you having a relationship with any other woman during this time period in February? [01:17:53] Mr. Bot: Not only in this time period, like in my United States career in seven, eight year, I never had any girlfriend, even before married or after marriage, never had any girlfriend. [01:18:04] Speaker 2: So you were, were you looking to have a relationship? Were you trying to have a relationship with someone other than your wife? No. Were you trying to find a woman to have sex with other than your wife? [01:18:14] Mr. Bot: Never. [01:18:15] Speaker ?: And that is a good place to stop. Okay. [01:18:17] Speaker 2: All right. You move your pads. [01:18:19] Speaker 1: We'll see you tomorrow morning at nine o'clock.