MAGA Woman Faces Off Against Young Progressive Man (ft. Dean Withers & Emily Wilson)

[0:00] Democrats shut down our country. [0:02] People lost everything because of that. [0:04] How is that funny? [0:05] What, people losing everything is hilarious? [0:07] Spare me the fake outrage. [0:09] You responded to that by saying, [0:10] what's funny, Dean? [0:11] People are dying. [0:12] Moments after, in the last topic that we debated, [0:15] okay, saying that this VA nurse [0:17] deserved to get murdered by 12 shots in the back [0:20] by a lawless ice thug. [0:22] Welcome to Face Off, [0:24] where two people debate four claims. [0:27] One clock, no interruptions. [0:29] Today, Dean Withers, a liberal political commentator [0:31] and debater, faces off against Emily Wilson, [0:34] a conservative media personality. [0:36] The clock starts now. [0:39] My first claim is, [0:40] Donald Trump's mass deportation is anti-American. [0:43] I would say the most American thing [0:46] would be protecting Americans. [0:48] I don't see anything un-American about it. [0:51] People are crying at ICE for doing their jobs. [0:53] They're intervening with ICE doing their jobs. [0:56] That's why they're getting shot and killed, [0:59] rightfully so. [0:59] I don't see anything un-American about it. [1:00] They're trying to defend ICE doing their jobs. [1:02] Both of those deaths of whatever their names were [1:05] could have been completely avoidable. [1:07] Probably better off without them, regardless. [1:11] And, yeah, I mean, Obama was like a, what, [1:14] 3.1 mass deportation? [1:18] Donald Trump, or not doing well, [1:20] probably like 890. [1:22] I mean, Biden was up there, like 1.1, [1:24] something like that. [1:24] So it's just the hypocrisy of it all. [1:27] It's like some people are against it, [1:29] some people are for it. [1:30] I want every single legal out of the country, [1:32] every single one, at any cost. [1:34] And then other than that, [1:35] I just think it's funny that when he does it, [1:37] it's different. [1:38] Kids in cages, all this stuff. [1:39] I mean, they've all been doing it, [1:40] so I just don't know why they care when Trump does it. [1:42] Well, there's actually a lot that you said there [1:44] that I want to touch on, [1:45] and I'm sure that we will during this topic. [1:47] And it's funny, because you actually brought up [1:49] one of the main reasons why his mass deportation [1:52] has been so anti-American within your first breath. [1:54] You said there's nothing anti-American [1:57] about protecting citizens, [1:58] and then you brought up an example of ICE [2:00] executing a citizen on the streets of this country. [2:03] Of course, you went on to say [2:04] that it was completely justified [2:05] and that we're better off without them. [2:07] Let's go ahead and focus in on one of the three citizens [2:09] who has been murdered by ICE, [2:11] and that will be Alex Preddy. [2:12] So first, you made a very bold claim. [2:15] A man lost his life, a mother lost his son, [2:18] a father lost his son, [2:19] a hospital lost one of their nurses, [2:23] and I think the world lost a good man. [2:25] And your takeaway is, we're better off without them, [2:27] and that the shooting's justified. [2:30] Finally, tell me, what is the legal standard [2:33] that authorizes an LEO in engaging in the use [2:36] of lethal force, ending the life of an American? [2:39] I don't know, go ahead and tell me. [2:41] If you don't know the legal standard [2:42] that justifies a shooting, [2:43] then why the hell are you sitting here [2:45] saying the shooting was justified? [2:47] The shooting is justified because we see who they are, [2:49] all the information comes out of it. [2:51] Oh, he was a loving, same with the woman that got shot. [2:53] Oh, he was a loving son. [2:54] First of all, everyone was worried about him. [2:57] You see the text coming out, [2:58] oh, we were worried about his mental health. [2:59] He couldn't go to work anymore, he wasn't able [3:01] to practice as a nurse. [3:03] This whole thing of every time someone dies, [3:05] the Democrats act like they're this amazing person, [3:07] it's just not true. [3:08] They even had to Photoshop the photo of him [3:10] to make him seem normal, [3:12] so the public would react to him better. [3:14] He was, why are you going to a protest? [3:16] If people love you and care about you, [3:18] and you're a normal, productive citizen, [3:20] you are not going to interfere with ICE protests, okay? [3:23] Especially when they're getting death threats [3:25] up like 5,000%, okay? [3:28] Yes, you went in to stir up trouble, [3:31] you're mentally ill, [3:32] that's why you can't be at your job [3:34] or with your friends anymore. [3:35] Your family doesn't give a shit about you [3:37] or else you wouldn't be at an ICE protest [3:38] because you're not a productive citizen. [3:40] And other than that, when I see it, [3:41] I'm like, it's justified. [3:42] Guess what, if I thought someone was going to harm me [3:43] or my life, I would choose me over them. [3:45] So to clarify, your claim is, [3:47] I have no clue what the legal standard is [3:49] that justifies an LEO to shoot and kill an American, [3:51] but I think Alex Prudy was mentally ill, [3:53] therefore I think it's okay, right? [3:56] No, I'm asking you, that's not what I do. [3:59] What's the legal justification of it? [4:01] Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. Go ahead. [4:01] Go ahead and please educate me and tell me, [4:03] but I think it was justified, yes. [4:05] Well, don't worry, I'm watching the clock. [4:06] I am going to tell you what that legal standard is eventually, [4:09] but before I do, I just am trying to determine [4:11] why you think it's okay a man's life was ended. [4:13] So I asked you why you think it's justified, [4:15] then you went on a three-minute rant [4:16] about how he's mentally ill and was at that protest [4:18] when he shouldn't have been there. [4:19] So to clarify, you think that his death was justified, [4:23] his murder was justified, his execution was justified [4:26] because he was mentally ill, [4:27] he wasn't perfect like the Democrats say, [4:29] CNN photoshopped his face and he was [4:31] at an ICE protest, right? [4:33] I think it was justified because of his actions. [4:37] That is why. [4:38] Those are other things on top of it, [4:40] which led to this point, [4:42] but yes, in my eyes, it is justified. [4:45] Perfect. What actions? [4:47] What actions? [4:48] When you're going out of your way to go to ICE protests, [4:51] harass them from doing their job, [4:53] you're on camera. [4:54] If you, first of all, if you even look like you have a, [4:57] he went with a gun, did he not? [4:59] Did he not have a loaded gun? [5:00] Yes, he did have a gun on his holster, [5:02] but you should know that in accordance [5:03] with the second, fourth, fourth and 14th amendment, [5:05] merely being in possession of a firearm [5:07] does not authorize an LAO to literally shoot and kill you. [5:09] So once again, I'll ask, [5:10] what actions did he engage in that justified the shooting? [5:13] You said he was harassing them. [5:14] How was he harassing them [5:16] that justified them literally killing him? [5:18] Okay, it's on video. [5:19] You've seen the video and I've seen the video. [5:21] That's what happened. [5:22] You're going out of your way at a protest. [5:23] He's been at many other protests. [5:25] All these people are at every protest. [5:27] They're known to harm people. [5:28] They're harassing people, [5:29] probably online talking about killing ICE agents. [5:31] You're gonna go, you're gonna go to a protest [5:33] with a gun. [5:33] And a cop sees it as you're harassing these ICE officers [5:37] that are getting threatened every day. [5:38] Dude, it's not even a Republican thing, a Democrat thing. [5:41] It is a common sense thing. [5:43] It is a common sense thing. [5:44] I would never, yes, CCWs, I understand. [5:46] I would never bring a gun to any Trump rally, anti-Trump. [5:52] That is just not, it's just not a smart thing to do. [5:54] That's why you end up dead. [5:55] Okay, condemn Kyle Rittenhouse. [5:58] Kyle Rittenhouse? [6:00] I don't, what, condemn him? [6:02] Okay, I condemn him. [6:04] I don't know. [6:05] You brought an AR-15 to a protest, remember? [6:07] Yeah, that's insane. [6:08] I think that's insane. [6:10] I'm not, I'm not supporting Kyle Rittenhouse. [6:12] I think that's nuts. [6:13] So you think that the cops would've been justified [6:15] in shooting Kyle dead? [6:17] Maybe, I don't know. [6:18] If the actions were different, maybe. [6:20] I think if you're gonna go with an AR-15 [6:22] and you get shot by a cop, I don't think it's that weird, [6:24] whether you're Kyle Rittenhouse or whatever his name was. [6:26] Why just a maybe? [6:27] I mean, this is your defense for Alex Preddy, [6:29] so why is it it was totally justified if it was Alex Preddy, [6:32] but it's maybe justified if it was Kyle Rittenhouse? [6:34] Basically, what I'd suggest you say, [6:36] in order to stand by your principle is, [6:38] and I quote, Kyle Rittenhouse should've been shot and killed. [6:42] Well, I'm not gonna say he should've. [6:45] I don't know. [6:46] Maybe. [6:47] Maybe he just, maybe he was in a better situation. [6:50] But also, he probably wasn't threatening [6:52] to kill ICE agents and cops. [6:53] He was probably more supportive on their side. [6:55] And also, what, he shot, did he kill people, right? [6:59] Okay, so you also just made another suggestion there, [7:01] that Alex Preddy threatened to shoot and kill a cop. [7:03] That's not true. [7:04] What's your evidence for that? [7:05] No, that's not what I'm saying at all. [7:07] I'm saying I don't know Kyle Rittenhouse's situation. [7:09] It was a big story. [7:09] I don't care. [7:10] It's, I don't know what happened. [7:11] I don't think he's a bad kid. [7:13] I'm glad he's not dead. [7:14] I don't think he should be out shooting people. [7:16] I know it was self-defense. [7:17] If it's self-defense, great. [7:18] That guy, what, was it self, is he defending himself [7:21] from the situation he put him in? [7:23] Like, here's the thing. [7:24] At the end of the day, that situation he's in [7:26] is 100% avoidable. [7:29] You can go into all the aspects of it. [7:31] I don't care that that happened to him. [7:33] I think it was very stupid to be there. [7:35] There's a reason it doesn't happen to me, [7:36] because I wouldn't put myself in that situation. [7:38] And neither would you. [7:39] I wouldn't either. [7:40] It's a very stupid situation to be in. [7:42] It's not that, it's really not that complicated. [7:45] Avoid dumb situations. [7:46] Wait, Emily, this doesn't make any sense, [7:48] because earlier you said the world is literally better [7:50] without Alex Preddy because he brought a gun to a protest. [7:54] Now you're saying that you don't think [7:56] that Kyle Rittenhouse is a quote-unquote bad kid, [7:58] regardless of the fact that he brought a gun to a protest. [8:01] So what it seems like is that bringing a gun to a protest [8:04] is not the relevant factor here that leads you [8:06] to the conclusion that Alex Preddy was terrible [8:08] and we're better off without him [8:09] and Kyle Rittenhouse is not a bad kid, [8:11] but rather political affiliation. [8:13] And this is another point why I think [8:15] that Donald Trump's mass deportation is so anti-American, [8:17] because it's led Americans like you to think [8:19] that the murder of your American brothers and sisters [8:22] roaming free in the streets of this country [8:23] is somehow justified simply because they disagree with you. [8:26] And going back to ICE, why is it that you tell us [8:30] you think every quote-unquote illegal should be deported [8:32] because they broke a law and committed a federal misdemeanor, [8:35] completely victimless, by the way, [8:36] but then when an ICE agent literally murders somebody, [8:39] you don't care and you disregard it, [8:41] then you come up with some quasi-justification for it [8:44] when you self-admittedly do not know the legal standard [8:46] that would make that shooting justified. [8:48] Even going back to that legal standard, [8:50] which I'll share with you now, [8:52] you cannot kill somebody for merely being in possession [8:54] of a firearm as an LEO because, as I previously suggested, [8:58] the Second, Fourth, and Fourteenth Amendment, [9:00] as well as previous SCOTUS case law like Conner v. Graham, [9:04] which ruled that there has to be an objective reasonableness [9:09] to an imminent murder. [9:09] An imminent threat upon the life of anybody [9:11] within the immediate vicinity of somebody [9:13] that LEOs are going to shoot and kill [9:14] and merely being in possession of a firearm isn't one. [9:17] Even the NRA says this. [9:19] Two days after Alex Preddy got murdered, [9:22] a U.S. attorney from California posted on Twitter that [9:25] this is totally justified because, well, [9:27] Alex Preddy brought a gun. [9:29] The NRA responded by saying that that rhetoric [9:31] is dangerous and wrong. [9:33] So in other words, the NRA, [9:35] who you likely have a membership for, [9:37] says that your rhetoric is dangerous [9:39] and wrong when you suggest that he could be shot [9:42] and killed for merely being in possession of a firearm. [9:45] I don't have a membership to the NRA. [9:47] Thank you, though. [9:48] No, I think situation and context matters, [9:51] and that's the whole point of this. [9:53] It's not a left versus right thing. [9:54] It's if you are someone who is no longer working at your job, [9:58] your family's worried about you, [9:59] you're clearly brainwashed by the media, [10:01] you're mentally ill, you're violent, [10:03] you're going out there and harassing ICE agents, [10:07] and you're getting these situations to be, [10:10] much worse than they already are, [10:12] and you also have a gun with you, [10:13] and you are at the point where you are, [10:14] like, physically wrestling with ICE agents, [10:17] and you get shot. [10:18] That is 100% an avoidable situation. [10:20] You put yourself there, and I guess, yeah, [10:22] some people will be like, it's sad, [10:23] it shouldn't have happened. [10:24] Okay, well, it did, [10:25] so there's nothing we can do about it. [10:26] But, yeah, I think it's justified. [10:27] I'm sorry. [10:28] I mean, the first 90% of what you said [10:30] was baseless conjecture and reasonless rambling, okay? [10:34] You just threw buzzwords out there. [10:35] Mentally ill, his family didn't like him, quit his job. [10:38] None of those things amount to an imminent threat. [10:39] None of those things amount to an imminent threat. [10:39] None of those things amount to an imminent threat [10:40] upon the life of an LEO [10:41] to justify them to shoot and kill you. [10:43] Now, the reason why I only said 90% instead of 100% [10:45] was the last thing that you said [10:46] is he was wrestling with cops. [10:48] Well, when I watched the video, [10:49] what I saw was him positioning himself [10:51] in between an officer and a woman. [10:53] When that officer begun to push that woman, he caught her, [10:56] and then the officer maced him, put him to the ground. [10:59] Next thing, he was being pistol-whipped in the head by one [11:01] while being dogpiled by seven. [11:02] But at no point did I see a singular action [11:04] in which would amount to justification [11:06] for an officer-involved shooting, [11:07] because even if he was obstructing, [11:09] mere obstruction does not tell an LEO they could kill you. [11:12] And even if he was resisting, mere resisting, [11:14] or even resisting while being in possession [11:16] of a loaded firearm, also doesn't amount [11:18] to justification for an LEO to kill you. [11:21] But I'd say from my perspective [11:22] that he didn't do either of those two things. [11:23] And the reason why we saw him wrestle to the ground [11:25] wasn't because of his own doing, [11:26] but rather because of the lawless actions [11:29] of these masked ice thugs. [11:32] Thugs. [11:33] The people literally here to protect us [11:35] from illegal aliens raping and killing children [11:37] are the thugs. [11:38] Same people are like, oh, ice agents are white supremacists. [11:40] No. [11:40] They're Nazis. [11:41] And then they're like gay Mexicans, literally [11:43] asking liberals if they can please go do their job, [11:45] because there is a child rapist. [11:47] Those things are not irrelevant. [11:49] They do matter. [11:49] If you are at the point where politics has made you [11:53] so mentally ill that you are clearly [11:55] a danger to yourself and others, probably like him [11:58] and the other woman as her whatever lesbian wife [12:00] is telling her to go run over ice agents, [12:03] instead of being at home taking care of their children, [12:05] then yeah, that actually does matter. [12:07] Mental health matters in these situations, [12:09] because a mentally healthy person [12:10] would not be in that situation. [12:13] They would know the danger. [12:14] They would know that's not a smart thing to do. [12:16] They probably would be at home with their family [12:18] or at their job. [12:19] And I'm like, those things do matter. [12:21] A normal person does not put themselves in that situation. [12:23] They need not just run up to them and shoot them. [12:25] Obviously, we've both seen the videos. [12:27] We clearly have different takes on the videos [12:29] and takeaways from it. [12:30] But in general, I'm like, that's what happens [12:33] when you put yourself in very stupid, avoidable situations. [12:36] And it's very sad, happens all the time. [12:38] If anybody's mentally ill because of politics here, [12:40] it's you. [12:41] You're telling us that a man who lost his life [12:43] was not a victim of murder, the officer was justified, [12:46] and we're better off without him, [12:47] not on the basis of any legitimate claim [12:50] in conjunction to the legality of the situation. [12:53] You admitted to not knowing what justifies an LAO [12:55] to shoot and kill somebody, [12:56] but because of baseless conjecture. [12:58] Like, Emily, we're doing it again. [13:00] You're just sitting here telling me, [13:01] oh, he could have avoided the situation. [13:03] Oh, liberal. [13:04] Oh, ICE protests. [13:05] Oh, they're, like, none of that matters. [13:07] Like, you have to be able to demonstrate [13:09] and objectively reason with that. [13:10] It's a reasonable threat that Alex Preddy was engaging in [13:12] to make those officers legitimately fear [13:14] that if they didn't shoot him, [13:15] he would have killed them first, okay? [13:18] Saying that he could have avoided the situation [13:19] by staying home, it does not amount [13:22] to an objectively reasonable threat [13:23] upon the lives of the LAOs. [13:25] That's just more victim-blaming rhetoric, [13:26] like the other rhetoric we hear [13:28] from a lot of people on the right, [13:29] like telling a woman maybe she shouldn't have gone [13:31] to that bar because at that bar, [13:32] she was date-raped by a man. [13:34] Once again, going back to that whole mentally ill [13:36] because of politics thing, [13:38] quite ironic that you're the one making that point. [13:40] If it was a Republican in the same position, [13:43] I would have said the same thing. [13:44] Like, the same thing at January 6th, [13:46] no one gave a that Ashley Babbitt got shot. [13:48] They were probably happy she got shot [13:49] the way liberals love to celebrate [13:51] the deaths of all Republicans. [13:53] It was the same exact thing. [13:54] No one gave a when they shot her. [13:56] An unarmed woman, but Democrats were per, [13:59] she shouldn't have been there. [14:00] She was breaking the law. [14:02] And that's what you're telling me, [14:03] I'm mentally ill because I don't give a [14:05] because he was a loser. [14:07] And his life didn't really have much meaning, [14:09] and it sure as doesn't matter to me. [14:10] And I'm sorry, that's not the cute, [14:13] like politically correct take, [14:15] but that is a common sense take, okay? [14:18] Sorry, he's not a productive citizen. [14:20] He's not curing cancer. [14:20] He's not gonna be the next Elon Musk. [14:22] I don't care. [14:23] I don't have to care about people I don't know. [14:25] But this whole thing of like, [14:25] oh, you're making it political. [14:27] No, if my Republican friend was in that situation [14:30] and brought a gun and was wrestling agents and got shot, [14:32] I'd be like, you are a idiot. [14:34] You have a little time left, [14:35] so I just gotta ask you a quick question. [14:37] So just to clarify, [14:37] you think that a nurse at a veteran's hospital [14:39] who helped save the lives of those [14:40] that were willing to lose their lives for us in war, [14:42] protecting our constitution, [14:43] our neoliberal, natural born rights, [14:45] is a loser doing nothing productive for society, right? [14:49] Yeah, just because you're a nurse [14:51] does not mean you are a productive member of society, [14:54] because that would mean that I trust the, okay. [14:57] Yeah, I couldn't have said it better myself. [14:58] I think that you just took the mask off, [15:00] and unfortunately, I can't tell you why, [15:02] because the red light just went off. [15:03] This is like rage bait. [15:05] I kind of forgot how crazy your beliefs are, Emily. [15:08] They're literally, it's just why everyone [15:09] who has common sense thinks [15:10] but they don't have the balls [15:11] to say out loud, [15:13] because you have to do the politically correct bullshit [15:15] of acting like we care. [15:16] My first face-off claim is Democrats [15:18] are the biggest threat to children in this country. [15:21] So clearly, the first thing I'm gonna do [15:23] is I'm gonna ask you for your argument [15:24] insofar as why you think Democrats [15:26] are the biggest threat to children in this country, [15:28] but I want you to keep in mind the hurdles [15:29] that you have to overcome, [15:30] most predominantly the fact that the GOP, [15:33] not the Democrats, [15:34] are championing an adjudicated rapist as president, [15:37] somebody who's also boasted about the sexual exploitation [15:40] of women and girls by barging [15:42] into their dressing rooms [15:43] and looking at their naked bodies [15:44] on top of the coverup we see downstream [15:47] of Donald Trump's administration [15:48] and the federal government [15:49] of the co-conspirators, predators, [15:51] and child rapists inside of the Epstein files. [15:54] So once again, why do you think Democrats [15:57] are the biggest threat to children in this country? [15:59] Okay, first of all, [16:01] the whole rapist claim is so insane to me. [16:03] How many people have been sued for calling him a rapist? [16:06] That's not true. [16:07] He's not a rapist or else he would have been charged, [16:10] and I assume he would have been in jail for that. [16:12] So throwing that out is not a good way to go about it. [16:15] You know better than that. [16:18] I'm sure you understand laws a lot better than I do. [16:21] That's not my strong field. [16:22] Not a convicted rapist, okay? [16:24] I would not support him if he was a convicted rapist, [16:28] nor would other Republicans. [16:29] The comments of Locker Room Boy Talk, I don't care. [16:33] I don't care what people are saying behind closed doors. [16:36] I think that's a very normal way to speak for a man. [16:39] Okay, so my issues would be the border, okay? [16:41] When we're talking about the border, okay? [16:42] When we're talking about protecting children. [16:44] A wide open border is not how I would protect children whatsoever, okay? [16:48] 450,000 missing children under the Biden's open borders. [16:51] That's a lot. [16:52] We can agree that's a lot. [16:53] That's unbelievable numbers. [16:54] Trump so far, his administration has located 145,000 of those missing children. [16:59] Why were those children missing? [17:00] How did they go missing? [17:01] Why was no one looking for them? [17:03] I think that's a big deal. [17:03] I don't like blaming necessarily administrations. [17:06] I'm just glad the kids are back. [17:08] I'm sure we can agree with that, right? [17:09] We're continuing to look for them. [17:10] So obviously with the open border, you have child protection, [17:12] you have child trafficking, you have organ harvesting, okay? [17:15] That's what's happening at these borders. [17:16] Kids are going with addresses on their wrists and they're going to be pretty much sold and [17:22] raped for the rest of their lives until they inevitably probably kill themselves from being [17:25] that traumatized. [17:26] So I would say closing the border, which Trump has done pretty well, [17:31] is the number one way to protect kids, okay? [17:34] We have to keep those bad people out, we have to keep the kids in, we have to find the kids. [17:37] And that is the hub of child trafficking. [17:39] It's hard for Democrats to debate this and like, well, [17:41] you have abortion. [17:42] Which is killing a lot of kids every year, not exactly as strong, Republicans are not [17:47] really the pro-abortion party. [17:49] You have transgenderism, which is ruining children and they're also dying from it and [17:53] killing themselves at record numbers. [17:56] Democrats are not defending children, 2025, the House passed the Preventing Violence Act, [18:00] Women by Illegal Aliens Act. [18:02] So this is pretty much just crimes against children, sex offense, blah, blah, blah. [18:06] Every single no came from Democrats. [18:08] I just don't understand. [18:09] I want to understand, why would you vote no for that? [18:11] It's protecting children. [18:12] It's just-. [18:12] This shouldn't even be a left versus right thing, which drives me nuts. [18:16] The reason Democrats voted no against that bill is because there's already pre-existing [18:19] law on the book to allow our government to deport somebody on the basis of an accusation [18:24] or more so a conviction of a violent sex crime. [18:27] So clearly the reason why Democrats voted no is not to give flowers to Nancy Mace that [18:31] she doesn't deserve, alongside the fact that it's incredibly hypocritical for, as I started [18:36] this debate with suggesting, to say that you care about violent sex crimes when you made [18:41] a violent sex criminal president. [18:42] Okay. [18:43] I mean, what would your opinion be on the Lake and Riley Act, which was obviously very [18:47] talked about? [18:48] If I was president, I'd veto it. [18:50] I think that it's terrible for women and girls abroad because it allows for the deportation [18:53] of an undocumented immigrant on the basis of an accusation of a violent crime, which [18:58] then means they'll be deported with no guilty verdict to another country where they will [19:03] be able to roam free and recommit. [19:05] At the bare minimum, we should be finding them guilty first, so they'll either land [19:08] in a jail cell in another country or get thrown in prison here. [19:12] Okay. [19:13] That's good. [19:14] Yeah. [19:15] But I'm like, okay, so then are you going through a trial first and keeping them in [19:18] the country until we know that they're guilty, or are we just allowing them to go and then [19:22] we're assuming they're guilty? [19:23] How does that work? [19:24] Because I know Democrats are very like, got to go by the book. [19:27] No one's above the law. [19:28] So I guess how would that work? [19:30] What would you prefer? [19:31] What is wrong with it that would make the bill better, I guess? [19:33] I mean, I just told you what's wrong with the Lake and Riley Act is that it deports [19:37] people on the basis of an accusation or allows for the deportation of somebody on the basis [19:40] of an accusation of a violent sex crime. [19:42] Then they roam free in another country. [19:43] Yeah. [19:44] Where they could recommit. [19:45] That's the problem. [19:46] What we should be doing is we should be keeping them in jail here, in custody here, finding [19:51] them guilty here, and then deporting them to a jail cell abroad, or like I already said, [19:55] putting them in a jail cell here. [19:57] Okay. [19:58] So obviously you would support them going back to where they came from and serving their [20:02] jail time where they came from, not here in America. [20:07] The only thing that I care about is a reliable criminal justice system where I know they [20:10] won't be able to roam free on the streets of any country in the face of planet earth. [20:14] If their home country has one of those, send them back and put them in a jail cell there. [20:19] What if the home country doesn't have that? [20:21] Do we keep them here? [20:23] Yes. [20:24] So we keep them here even though they're violent? [20:26] We keep them in jail? [20:27] We keep them away from children? [20:28] Or do we just let them roam free? [20:31] We would probably put somebody found guilty of a violent sex crime in jail. [20:35] Well, we tend not to. [20:37] That's my issue. [20:38] We have, you know, I cover it on my show, what, four times a week? [20:42] There's usually a black male with a rap sheet of 45 pages. [20:46] That's committed. [20:47] You know, he's attacked women, he's assaulted women, he's attempted to rape women, potentially [20:51] child porn in the past. [20:52] And then we see he goes and like lights a woman on fire because these DAs that are always [20:57] Democrats under people like George Soros tend to just let them go over and over and over. [21:03] And I'm like, would you agree we need to keep them in prison? [21:06] I don't think you should have 45 strikes. [21:09] I just don't think that works. [21:10] That quote unquote black male that's been found guilty of rape that's roaming free in [21:14] the streets is actually a billionaire white man named Donald Trump. [21:17] He's serving as our president. [21:18] Two years ago, a civil court held him liable for the rape of E. Jean Carroll and you still [21:22] voted for him. [21:23] You're a hypocrite. [21:24] Okay. [21:25] The E. Jean Carroll. [21:26] Okay. [21:27] So he's guilty. [21:28] So he's a rapist. [21:30] Why is he not in jail? [21:31] Because I'll help you with knowledge here about the criminal justice system inside of [21:34] America. [21:35] Civil courts determine financial responsibility, not criminal responsibility. [21:39] So when he was found guilty, he wasn't put in a jail cell. [21:41] He was only forced to pay $87 million. [21:44] And before you ask the reason why he couldn't or wasn't found guilty. [21:48] Inside of a criminal court of law is because of the statute of limitations on the crime [21:51] that expired, meaning even if E. Jean Carroll had a video of it happening to her, she was [21:55] not able to pursue criminal charges. [21:57] Therefore a claim of liability in a civil court of law was the best option she had, [22:02] she had available $87 million for saying something happened to you with relatively no proof as [22:09] one of the most attacked men on the planet. [22:12] I mean, that is probably, I would say I'm, I'm sure you're, you know, protect women care [22:17] about women. [22:18] I would say she's the epitome of what makes these cases complete jokes and why people [22:23] don't believe women about a lot of things they say, including rape, sexual assault. [22:29] She's a crazy woman who lives in the first of all, $87 million is unbelievable. [22:36] That's actually unbelievable for something that you literally can't prove. [22:40] And I'm just like, so it happened that long ago. [22:42] You happen to be a crazy liberal feminist. [22:44] You live in the woods, you do all this crazy art, whatever bullshit she's doing. [22:47] And all of a sudden when someone's president has power and every three letter agency and [22:52] all these people attempted assassinations, all of a sudden now you're traumatized from [22:57] something that happened that long ago, Trump was born into money, successful, has been [23:01] around beautiful women his whole life. [23:03] Why there's no world where I believe he would even touch that woman, nevertheless, rape [23:08] her. [23:09] Well, I mean, there's a lot that you said there. [23:10] So first and foremost, you said, wow, she was able to sue him and find him guilty of [23:15] rape with no proof. [23:16] I don't believe that. [23:17] There's been research into the case. [23:19] What is one piece of evidence that the jury used to hold Donald Trump liable for raping [23:22] her? [23:23] Okay. [23:24] So she's in the fitting room at the store. [23:26] She claims that all this has happened. [23:27] It's like, that's just not even realistic. [23:30] None of this, none of this has happened. [23:32] How come she didn't come by 30, 20 plus years ago? [23:35] Are there tapes of this? [23:36] Are there evidence? [23:37] You also have everyone around who, who, who, who's willing to lie for her. [23:41] You have a justice system who completely wants to put this guy in jail because they can't [23:45] attempt to assassinate him. [23:47] There's not. [23:48] Women who are actually raped by predators on the street who have real results can go [23:53] and get a rape kit. [23:54] They don't get $87 million. [23:57] Like it's just one of those things, regardless if it was Biden or Trump, you look at it. [24:01] Of course she's a liar. [24:02] There's no reason she deserved a dollar for that. [24:05] There is not substantial proof. [24:06] She did. [24:07] Does she have a rape kit? [24:08] Is there semen in her? [24:09] Is there any of this? [24:10] No, she just sued Donald Trump and he had to pay her. [24:13] He had to pay her money and it's like no one's getting raped and getting $87 million. [24:17] It's fine. [24:18] It's crazy. [24:19] When you step back and you take Trump out of it, if it was anyone else, you'd be like, [24:23] that's nuts. [24:24] But because it's Trump, no one can just look through it with like logical glasses on it. [24:29] It's just like, oh yeah, he's yep. [24:30] He's a rapist. [24:31] Yeah. [24:32] You just wasted a minute of your time because I asked you what's one piece of evidence that [24:36] the jury used to find him guilty and you sure talked a lot, but you didn't name a piece [24:39] of evidence. [24:40] So I'll help you. [24:41] Uh, there was a lot of evidence that the jury used in order to hold Donald Trump guilty [24:44] for the rape of a Eugene Carroll. [24:46] Most predominantly. [24:47] You had her own testimony alongside the testimony of seven of her friends. [24:51] You had therapist notes from the nineties indicating that she was raped by Donald Trump. [24:54] You would address it. [24:55] She submitted to the court claiming it had Trump's DNA in it from the day that he raped [24:58] her and in response, they tested it, found male DNA, asked Trump for his DNA and he said, [25:03] no, no, no, no, no until the discovery period was over. [25:07] That's something a guilty man would do. [25:08] Then on top of that, you had the inconsistencies and lies within his own, uh, within his own [25:13] testimony to start with those. [25:15] He first claimed that he never met Eugene Carroll. [25:17] He responded to the court by submitting a picture of the two together. [25:21] That's a lie. [25:22] He also claimed that he never do that to her because she isn't his type, but then under [25:25] deposition actually confused a picture of his ex wife, Marla Maples to be Eugene Carroll. [25:30] So how crazy does she sound now? [25:32] Honestly, that just kind of sounds like victim blaming. [25:34] And on top of that, I'd say the silver bullet is his character priors, 2005 access Hollywood [25:40] tapes. [25:41] What did he say? [25:42] He said that he could just grab any woman by their female member. [25:44] He doesn't even need to ask first. [25:45] That's exactly what the jury found him guilty of. [25:47] The jury found him guilty for doing grabbing Eugene Carroll by her female member without [25:51] asking first, then inserting his fingers inside. [25:54] And what about another civil bullet here in 2005, he also sat down with Howard Stern and [25:59] straight up told Howard Stern that he had sexually exploited naked women and naked girls [26:04] by barging into their dressing rooms at Miss teen USA and Miss USA and then would look [26:08] at their naked bodies. [26:09] That's something a rapist would do. [26:11] So I don't understand why you are toeing the line, doing everything you can to defend that [26:16] rapist. [26:17] I'm not defending him. [26:19] I don't, I don't believe the evidence. [26:21] I think it's completely insane. [26:23] I don't believe her. [26:24] She's out of her mind. [26:25] I don't believe anyone who is trying to take down the president on that level would be [26:30] honest with something that happened that long ago. [26:32] I have a little bit to time here. [26:33] Your time is up. [26:34] You can't speak. [26:35] Uh, in your last breath, you straight up told me that you don't believe her. [26:39] You don't believe the evidence after not responding to any of the pieces of evidence that I told [26:43] you. [26:44] It seems like you were brainwashed into this worldview where you were willing to acknowledge, [26:45] uh, that she was a woman. [26:46] Ignore reality, believe the lies and discount the testimony of a survivor. [26:51] And that makes sense because that's what the totality of the GOP is doing right now with [26:55] the survivors from the Epstein files. [26:56] Pam Bondi wouldn't even look at them. [26:58] I'm going to use the rest of my time to play you the clip of Donald Trump admitting to [27:02] sexual exploitation. [27:03] And I expect at no point in the future of this debate, will you acknowledge it, address [27:07] it or talk about it at all? [27:08] Because just like with the E. Jean Carroll and the fact that she was raped, you're going [27:11] to sweep it under the rug too. [27:12] She wasn't, well, is there fingers in her or she's raped? [27:14] Those are, uh, you can't talk. [27:16] That's my time to talk. [27:17] Well, I feel like that's a good clarification. [27:18] If you're going to call someone a rapist, you, you, I mean, you interrupted me there. [27:21] You said, was it fingers in her or was she raped? [27:23] That is rape. [27:24] I would, I would say that the definition of rape would include the penetration of a woman's [27:27] female member with any part of a man's body, but most definitely his fingers. [27:31] Here's a clip of Donald Trump admitting to sexual exploitation is the owner of the pageant. [27:35] It's your obligation to do that. [27:37] So you have done that. [27:38] I'll tell you the funniest is that I'll go backstage before a show and everyone's getting [27:43] dressed and ready and everything else. [27:44] And you know, no men are anywhere. [27:46] And I'm allowed to go in because I'm the owner of the pageant and therefore I'm inspecting [27:50] it. [27:51] You know, I'm inspecting. [27:52] I want to make sure they're like the doctors. [27:53] Is everyone okay? [27:54] You know, they're standing there with no clothes. [27:56] Is everybody okay? [27:57] And you see these incredible looking women. [28:00] And so I sort of get away with things like that. [28:02] So I just want to get it clear. [28:03] You're telling me that this man and you're laughing, this man that admitted to abusing [28:07] his position of power as the owner of these beauty pageants to barge into the women and [28:11] girls dressing room where you then abuse their position of vulnerability because they feel [28:15] vulnerable enough to do that. [28:16] To take their clothes off the change, to then look at them naked is acceptable and you in [28:20] fact even find it funny just like he did. [28:23] You could be right about everything in the world, but it doesn't even f***ing matter. [28:25] Never even going to move a f***ing needle. [28:28] Literally everyone's going to watch this and agree with you and me and just go on with [28:31] their life. [28:32] Like you're never going to make a difference. [28:33] You'd be surprised the stories that I've heard about the difference that I made. [28:36] Like what? [28:37] What did you say? [28:38] Someone's life? [28:39] Yeah, actually. [28:40] You're so gay. [28:41] You're not saving anyone's life, bro. [28:42] You're so f***ing narcissistic. [28:44] It's a real story. [28:45] Let's face off claim is Donald Trump wishes he could be a dictator. [28:48] Okay. [28:51] I mean, he has a lot of power right now, leader of the free world. [28:53] So why is he not doing it? [28:56] Why when people are going and attempting to assassinate him, rioting on the streets, why [29:00] is he not banning people? [29:03] Kicking them out of the country? [29:04] I don't know. [29:05] Why isn't he more of a dictator? [29:07] I feel like he has the power. [29:08] He should. [29:09] Well, it's funny that you make that point because I'd actually argue that he has tried [29:12] to position himself above the law, above the constitution, above Congress. [29:17] Even, and I, and I think that there is a great argument that I could give you to demonstrate [29:20] how that's the case. [29:21] So in the last year and couple months, that's how long he's been president. [29:24] I believe that he's infringed upon article one of the constitution, article two of the [29:28] constitution, then amendment one, two, five, sorry, four, uh, 10, 14 and 22. [29:35] And we could go through that now because if that's all true, then I think you'll kind [29:38] of see some credibility in my claim about how he wants to position himself as a dictator [29:41] above laws, above the constitution, above Congress, yada, yada, yada. [29:44] So let's start with the amendments that he's infringed on. [29:47] I think that he served as a threat to the first amendment when he suggested that it's [29:50] now illegal to criticize him in the media. [29:52] I think that he suggested a threat to the second amendment when he told his department [29:54] of justice to try to find any way to ban any and all gun ownership for a law abiding trans [29:58] American citizens. [29:59] The NRA agreed with me by the way. [30:01] I think that he's infringed on the fourth amendment when he gave an order to ICE to [30:05] arrest people without any judicial warrants. [30:07] That is blatantly illegal. [30:09] Courts have ordered and ruled as such. [30:11] Same thing with his illegal deportation of like 300 Venezuelan immigrants to Seca in [30:14] El Salvador with no due process. [30:16] Judge ruled that was illegal. [30:17] Donald Trump said, I don't care. [30:19] I think that he's infringed on the 10th amendment via illegally deploying the National Guard [30:22] in Illinois. [30:23] SCOTUS actually gave their opinion on the subject matter. [30:25] They said it was unconstitutional. [30:26] He's definitely infringed on the 14th amendment. [30:29] He did that day one with executive order number 14160 where he tried to take birthright citizenship [30:34] away from the children born to undocumented immigrants on American soil. [30:37] They've had that since 1868 with the ratification of the 14th. [30:40] He can't do that. [30:41] Same thing with the 22nd amendment. [30:42] He's just kind of served a threat to that via the re-suggestion that he wants to run [30:45] for a third term. [30:46] Then we look at article one of the constitution. [30:49] He's infringed on article one and two. [30:51] He's infringed on the articles of the constitution via the suggestion that if Congress doesn't [30:54] pass voter ID laws, he'll just do it on its own. [30:56] He can't assume the power of Congress. [30:57] That's illegal. [30:58] Then same thing with like nationalizing the midterm elections. [31:01] That's also illegal. [31:02] The constitution gives that ability to the states. [31:05] This is just kind of scratching the surface, but clearly I don't want to overwhelm you [31:07] with too much information. [31:08] I know that you don't really know too much about the law or the constitution, so let's [31:11] start there. [31:14] Okay. [31:15] Jesus. [31:16] Go back to the first one. [31:19] Okay. [31:20] So you just want me to pick something? [31:22] Okay. [31:23] I'll, I'll just, I'll just do just first three. [31:24] Just go. [31:25] So I can like remember what you're even saying. [31:26] Yeah, for sure. [31:27] I'll just pick an example because that was a lot, a really good example of him infringing [31:30] on the constitution, positioning himself above it, uh, and kind of telling me that he wants [31:34] to be an authoritarian would be his infringement on the 14th amendment where he tried to take [31:37] birthright citizenship away from the children born to undocumented immigrants on American [31:41] soil, even though the 14th amendment gives them that right. [31:44] Okay. [31:45] And I just don't agree with that. [31:46] I don't agree. [31:47] First of all, them getting citizenship, I don't think that it should be like that. [31:50] I see there's way too much going on. [31:53] You have illegals coming here, they're having kids and then they're getting citizenship. [31:56] We have overwhelming amount of like, uh, Jesus, you can call them baby making houses, uh, [32:03] in orange County where it's literally just trying a bunch of Chinese women in a house [32:06] and they're just pregnant and they're giving citizenship to their kids. [32:10] So I don't know. [32:11] I don't personally, I don't think that should be legal. [32:14] I don't think we should be giving that to them. [32:15] Of course, Democrats are not going to agree with that. [32:18] I just think it's interesting though. [32:20] Because first of all, I know when he's talking about the third term, he's joking and I know [32:25] it's like, you're like, he's president, he can't joke like that. [32:27] That's fine. [32:28] Now I'm going to get into that. [32:29] Um, I would say, what about the Biden administration, you know, pressuring like Mark Zuckerberg [32:34] and Facebook and all this stuff to either like suppress information, you know, taking [32:38] Trump down from Twitter and all these things. [32:40] Like would you say that that was too far or do you think that's justified? [32:44] So I don't mind talking about the Biden Harris administration with you and uh, having a conversation [32:49] about potential executive overreach there. [32:50] I just want to ensure productive linear conversation, which would include going point by point. [32:55] But I hope, I hope that we have enough time to go over that because I'd love to before [32:58] the clock ends. [32:59] Now, to respond to your first comments about the 14th amendment, I don't expect you to [33:02] think that the children born to undocumented immigrants should be birthright citizens. [33:06] Okay. [33:07] Emily, you're crazy radical conservative. [33:10] Look back at the debate that we've had. [33:11] It would be a, a, a needle in a haystack and such a surprise for you to tell me otherwise [33:17] that you do think they should have birthright citizenship. [33:20] I mean, I hear this from every conservative ever want to make this point about him infringing [33:24] on the 14th amendment. [33:25] The first response is always, well, I don't think the children born to them should have [33:28] birthright citizenship, but that's not what matters here. [33:32] What matters here is regardless of what you think, Donald Trump positioned himself above [33:36] the constitution, regardless of what you think about the 14th amendment, Donald Trump attempted [33:41] to terminate it as it stands with an executive order, regardless of what you think that is [33:47] dictatorial. [33:48] That is authoritarian. [33:49] Okay. [33:50] The laws matters, uh, matter. [33:52] The constitution matters. [33:54] Congress matters. [33:55] The Supreme court matters. [33:56] No man, no one person should have the ability to completely change the laws as they've existed [34:01] since 1868 with one signature on one piece of paper and that's what I want you to respond [34:07] to. [34:08] No, that's fair. [34:09] If you want to go, I'm giving an opinion. [34:11] I don't think they should have citizenship and I think that he should go about it legally. [34:14] If he doesn't like it, I think he should legally go about it and you know, uh, attempt to put [34:19] forth in front of the American people. [34:20] I don't think he wants to change it, but I don't think he should just go and do whatever [34:23] he wants because when the last, I, every administration does usually whatever they want. [34:27] They do a lot of things that I think are overreach and illegal and they should all be held to [34:31] the same standard. [34:32] It's not, I'm sure Trump overreaches, Biden overreach, Obama, they've all overreached. [34:38] So it's just like, I, I agree. [34:39] He should go about it the legal way. [34:40] I think we should have some order in the country for once. [34:42] Okay. [34:43] So it actually seems like you might agree with my claim that he wants to be a dictator [34:46] now. [34:47] No. [34:48] Well, I mean, what else could he do? [34:49] There's no document. [34:51] If you agree with the constitution, what else could he do to prove to you that he wants [34:54] to be a dictator? [34:55] Be a dictator. [34:56] If you agree that he doesn't care about the constitution, if you agree he doesn't care [34:59] about the checks and balances, if you agree he doesn't care about the Supreme Court of [35:02] Congress, like, like, like what else could he possibly do to convince you that he wants [35:07] to be a dictator? [35:08] By being a dictator. [35:10] Look at people you consider dictators around the world. [35:14] Why doesn't he just behave like that then? [35:16] Why doesn't he just throw out the book and be like, all right, all these people protesting, [35:20] throw them in jail. [35:21] Freedom of speech? [35:22] Gone. [35:23] Not allowed to criticize me. [35:24] Shut down every other station. [35:25] That's not, I don't know, Fox and Newsmax. [35:27] Maybe he likes them. [35:28] Right? [35:29] Put political opponents in jail. [35:30] Go, you know, I mean the assassination attempts on his life or, you know, it's like, look [35:33] who's just, you know, testifying in front of Epstein felt like, why doesn't he just [35:37] go be a dictator? [35:38] If that's, if he's capable of that, I mean, the thing is the United States is like, you [35:42] are the leader of the free world. [35:43] You have a lot of power. [35:44] You have a lot of power over other countries as well. [35:47] So it's like, so just go. [35:48] So why isn't he doing it then? [35:50] Because I feel like with the, I mean, amount of like attempts to ruin his life, his career, [35:55] going after his family, his safety, you know, assassination attempts, I feel like he's handled [36:00] it pretty well. [36:02] He doesn't seem too bitter or upset about it. [36:04] So I'm like, why doesn't he just go do it? [36:06] Like who would you like him to be more like and who do you consider a real dictator and [36:09] is he like them? [36:10] Okay. [36:11] Yeah. [36:12] Let me respond to everything that you said. [36:13] So I think that you made a really good point and you don't even know it. [36:15] You said he's capable of it. [36:16] I don't think that he is fully capable of it. [36:18] And in fact, I think that's why he's not. [36:20] He's not a full blown dictator mask off authoritarian because we do have checks and balances. [36:25] We do have a body of people that sit on the Capitol building all day that could strike [36:29] him down and talk to members of his administration. [36:32] We do have judges that rule a lot of the things that he does as illegal. [36:35] And sometimes those orders will stick. [36:37] The administration will get checked. [36:39] You and I just never hear about it because of Steve's, Steve Bannon's tactic of flooding [36:42] the zone and doing something new whenever they lose. [36:45] But my point is, is even though we have these checks and balances, even though we have [36:50] Congress, even though we have the courts, okay, he is still pushing the limits to a [36:54] level never seen before in this country's history. [36:56] All right. [36:57] Starting in 2020 with this fake elector scheme of installing fake votes for himself in Congress [37:01] to rig and steal the election. [37:03] Only reason why that didn't work is because of Mike Pence. [37:05] He wouldn't have been a dictator. [37:07] Oh, he loves the people too on that day, by the way, pardon the 174 people that try to [37:11] kill cops. [37:12] Moving on to all the constitutional infringements that he's made in the last year that I told [37:15] you, definitely indicative of authoritarianism. [37:18] Saying that he wants to. [37:19] I don't know. [37:20] Rationalize the midterm elections that doesn't ring a bell for you. [37:23] Like maybe a little bit authoritarian and every day he does something new to demonstrate [37:26] to you, me and the rest of the world that that is what he wants and he would like a [37:30] dictatorship and he wouldn't like any checks and balances because if he were to respect [37:34] the checks and balances, then why do I have so much ammunition? [37:37] So many talking points and so many facts that I'm sharing with you right now to demonstrate [37:41] otherwise. [37:42] If he likes the constitution, why the hell did he call for its termination? [37:45] If he likes elections, why the hell did he try to prevent one in 2020? [37:49] If he likes Congress? [37:50] Why did he say that he could federalize elections and take that power away from states and pass [37:54] laws without them? [37:55] If he likes courts, then why the hell did he try to ignore the court's order that ruled [37:59] some of his deportations as illegal? [38:01] And if he likes the Supreme Court and their rulings on the constitution, then why the [38:05] hell doesn't he respect their previous rulings on the nature of the 14th amendment when he [38:09] attempted to argue that it didn't apply to the children born to undocumented immigrants? [38:12] The obvious answer to all these questions is, well, clearly he doesn't like the checks [38:15] and balances and if he doesn't like the checks and balances, then my claim that he wants [38:19] to be a dictator. [38:20] That's true. [38:21] He doesn't have much time left, correct? [38:23] So why doesn't he just go do all these things? [38:26] That's what I don't understand. [38:27] If he wants to do it, he has the, this is the only time left. [38:30] He has power to do all these things. [38:32] And as a Republican who voted for him, I think he's been really weak across the board with [38:36] a lot of these things. [38:37] We voted to close the border, mass deportations. [38:41] I don't want wars. [38:42] I don't want money going to other countries. [38:44] I want every single legal out. [38:46] I want harsher crimes for bad people, murderers, rapists, and all these things. [38:47] That's what I don't understand. [38:48] If he wants to do it, he has the only time left. [38:49] He has power to do all these things. [38:50] He has power to do all these things in this country. [38:51] And, you know, we would like to get mortgage rates down and make the country better and [38:55] more affordable for people. [38:57] And he's not delivering on a lot of those. [38:58] And I'm, I can admit that, you know what I mean? [39:00] You should be criticizing the person you elected, which I don't really see on the other side. [39:05] You know, I mean, you have Harry and all these people, Biden's just perfect. [39:09] He's healthy. [39:10] He's done everything right. [39:11] But I'm like, the thing is you gotta be able to call it out when other people do it as [39:15] well. [39:16] Like I said, we have checks and balances. [39:17] He needs to go by the law or else we kind of just throw everything out. [39:20] And then I don't know. [39:20] I don't know what we are anymore as a country, but at the same time, but at the same time, [39:25] I want that standard held to the pre previous administration's gone. [39:29] I don't think we should go back to the past all the time, but I also want that whoever [39:32] wins next, because I don't know who it's going to be, to be honest, I want them held to that [39:36] as well. [39:37] So I want people like you speaking out when they're doing things like, I think it's crazy [39:40] to remove him off social media, to pressure Facebook, to force people. [39:44] I mean, you know, all of our accounts were deleted, doctors were taking off. [39:47] So it's like, I just want that same energy consistently. [39:50] No matter who's in charge and you should be smart enough to see through the bullshit [39:53] on that. [39:54] And you should agree with that. [39:55] Okay. [39:56] I think that you're clearly drowning in this debate. [39:57] I think I've effectively demonstrated that my claim that Donald Trump wants to be a dictator [40:01] is true. [40:02] And now you're just merely asking me to give that same energy to the other administration. [40:05] So if you want me to have a conversation with you about Biden, go ahead and concede that [40:09] Trump wants to be a dictator and I'll happily talk to you about Biden. [40:12] But literally last time I asked you to do this, the same question you said, no, I don't [40:16] think that Trump wants to be a dictator or else you'd be doing all these things. [40:19] I demonstrate. [40:20] I demonstrate to you how he is doing all these things, so on and so forth. [40:23] So he's doing things that every other administration has done the same way you guys are crying [40:27] about mass deportations. [40:28] He has some of the lowest numbers you're crying about, oh, I don't like the way they did it. [40:32] That's the way they were doing it. [40:33] And Obama's building the cages. [40:34] They're doing all these things. [40:35] But when Trump does anything, it's completely different. [40:38] No one was upset when Obama was dropping bombs on people and he was doing all the same things [40:42] when we were going into war with, I mean, no one on the left says anything about all [40:47] that, but when Trump does it, it's completely different. [40:49] And it does matter when you remove a sitting president off social media, when you go and [40:53] pressure the biggest companies to silence people, to remove conservatives the same way [40:58] TikTok bans us all every week. [41:00] Those things do matter because free speech to me is actually the most important thing. [41:05] So when you're censoring that and you're making it seem like the only ideas in America are [41:09] the mainstream ones on the left, which are insane ideas, then yeah, that is a big deal. [41:13] It does matter and it should be applied to every administration, not just Trump. [41:18] Everything I know. [41:19] Like I go through this every day. [41:20] Okay. [41:21] I'll bite. [41:22] I'll respond to all of that now. [41:23] So one of the suggestions that you made was about the Biden Harris administration telling [41:25] Mark Zuckerberg that they need to kick Donald Trump off. [41:27] First and foremost, they didn't say that if you don't do this, we're going to shut you [41:31] down and there's going to be criminal. [41:32] Censorship across the board. [41:33] One moment. [41:34] And there's going to be criminal punishments. [41:35] That never happens. [41:36] They made a suggestion to Facebook saying, hey, guess what? [41:39] You know, COVID misinformation is bad. [41:41] It'll kill people. [41:42] You should do this. [41:43] And then they did. [41:44] There was no consequences. [41:45] There was nothing bad that was going to happen to Mark Zuckerberg if they didn't, unlike Brendan [41:49] Carr and the FCC under Donald Trump saying, hey, ABC and Disney, guess what? [41:53] You got to kick Jimmy Kimmel off and if you don't, we might revoke your license. [41:58] So it's funny because like I said, in your misrepresentation of what the Biden Harris [42:02] administration did in their conversation with Facebook, you gave me yet another reason to [42:06] describe why Trump wants to be a dictator. [42:09] So there's, so there's no consequences from suppressing data, doctors, all that, things [42:14] that would have changed the outcome of people's lives and the country, the economy, things [42:19] worldwide. [42:19] There was no, none of that matters. [42:21] They just simply pressured him a little and that was it. [42:23] Removing doctors, Republicans, the sitting president, all these things just doesn't matter [42:27] to you. [42:28] It's just crazy. [42:29] This is the argument with every Democrat is anytime Trump does anything, he's Hitler. [42:33] It's bad. [42:34] It's evil. [42:35] But then everything Democrats did somehow, well with them, it's legal. [42:38] It's totally acceptable. [42:40] You know, silencing half the country is totally okay. [42:43] I mean, Republicans even today having to deal with death threats against us, social media [42:47] platforms still being biased against us. [42:49] And not even be to say that it, that misinformation didn't matter. [42:52] That's the one misinformation that actually affected people's lives and is going to for [42:56] the next, you know, however many years until everyone's dead. [42:59] That's why Pfizer is hiding the files for 90 years from us of all the outcome of these [43:02] vaccines and all the data. [43:04] So it's like to say that doesn't matter. [43:06] That's actually one of the only things that does matter because it affects people's health [43:08] and without your health, Trump doesn't really matter. [43:11] Neither does Biden or any of these people. [43:12] I'm out of time to respond. [43:15] So I can't, I'll be responding to that on my personal YouTube channel. [43:18] Of course. [43:19] Yeah. [43:20] The next face off claim is Republicans are more trusted than Democrats to fix the economy [43:23] and help working families. [43:24] Okay. [43:25] Okay. [43:26] Well, to start, uh, you're actually going to find this shocking. [43:29] Same thing with a lot of the viewers at home. [43:31] You're actually technically right. [43:32] Um, you know, for those that don't know, uh, we both like exchange prompts like the day [43:36] before filming. [43:37] So I knew what to expect here. [43:38] I did some research on it. [43:40] There's been a couple of polls done in the last couple of months, uh, where actually, [43:43] yeah, Americans do suggest that they have more trust in Republicans and Democrats for the [43:47] economy. [43:48] Uh, like the Washington Post did. [43:50] I think. [43:51] And that's what it showed. [43:52] What, what, what my counterclaim would be here is that they shouldn't because the Republicans [43:56] are completely destroying the economy. [43:57] The Trump administration has been terrible. [44:00] Last year we saw the worst jobs report since 2003 three of we ignore the 2008 recession [44:05] caused by the Trump administration. [44:06] We saw the most manufacturing bankruptcies since 2008 as well because of the Trump administration [44:12] every single month in 2025 under Trump after liberation day, the imposition of all those [44:16] tariffs. [44:17] We saw less and less manufacturing jobs because of the Trump administration. [44:19] We see a stagnation in the increase of real median wages starting under Trump, uh, which [44:25] was not true during the last two years of Biden Harris administration because of Trump. [44:29] We see a declining amount of real fixed private business investment into American manufacturers. [44:34] And we have seen that every single financial quarter under Donald Trump's second administration [44:38] after a boom in investment under Biden. [44:40] I mean, everything around us seems to be getting worse. [44:43] The odds of a recession are climbing high. [44:46] Markets are terrible. [44:47] Consumer confidence. [44:48] It's like a 15 or 20 year low and uh, no clue why the polls are indicating that Americans [44:53] have more faith in Republicans and Democrats. [44:55] I'd have to chop it up to propaganda or misinformation because clearly the facts say that Trump is [45:00] failing us and the GOP could do significantly better than they are. [45:04] Yeah. [45:05] I looked last night and pretty much no matter what the outlet was, Fox, CNN, ChatGPT, Grok, [45:10] it literally doesn't matter. [45:11] They said across the board, uh, US citizens trust Republicans with the economy more. [45:16] Um, I think when you're pushing the fact that you want to. [45:18] Put Americans first America first agenda. [45:22] You want to bring jobs back to America. [45:23] I think that when you say that it sounds great and that's probably why they're like, yeah, [45:27] we want that guy. [45:28] Uh, you know, I wanted no new wars. [45:30] I want it to be in no wars. [45:32] That's obviously very costly. [45:34] Uh, we're not necessarily getting that right now, which I am not a fan of. [45:38] I criticize the administration every day. [45:41] I know tariffs can be very tough. [45:42] They can have positive outcomes later on as well. [45:45] Um, I say if you want to help Americans and the economy and all that, I'd be like, you're [45:48] like, okay, well we need to get out of war. [45:50] We need to actually get jobs here. [45:53] I would say getting deep mass deportations could be good. [45:56] Um, and I think the biggest thing would be the fact that there's so much fraud. [46:00] I think if we investigate the fraud, Republican and Democrat, like what's going on in Minnesota [46:05] and the Somali and fraud, and there's so much fraud, especially here in California, it's [46:09] probably the worst state. [46:10] I think if we investigate that we could actually get that money back to Americans, but I don't [46:14] think that's a left versus right thing. [46:15] I think that's just a government thing. [46:17] Okay. [46:18] Yeah. [46:18] At some point in that last statement, did you respond to my damnation of the economy [46:22] under the Trump administration? [46:23] So it kind of sounds like you agree that Americans shouldn't trust the Republican party to effectively [46:28] navigate and manage the economy because the Trump administration is failing it. [46:31] Now, if you disagree with me, if you don't think the Trump administration is failing [46:35] the economy, then please respond to the macroeconomic data points that I shared to demonstrate otherwise. [46:39] Okay. [46:40] But here's my issue. [46:41] You have Democrats in charge for however long, like let's say California, for example, it's [46:45] been like 16 years or whatever. [46:47] And then, uh, Gavin Newsom, [46:48] every day is blaming Trump for every single thing. [46:51] And I'm confused because you said everything was going well under the Biden administration. [46:55] Me personally with what I do for a living, I don't get hit the way a normal person gets [46:59] hit. [47:00] Car insurance is high. [47:01] Health insurance is high. [47:02] Everything costs money. [47:04] Everything goes up and up and up. [47:05] Rent is insane. [47:06] Mortgage, all these things. [47:07] Okay. [47:08] I see all that I'm living and I'm part of it, but I'm not necessarily affected by the [47:12] way other people would. [47:14] And you know, so my life isn't increasingly better under Trump besides I would say free [47:18] speech for me is the biggest thing. [47:20] So I'm like, okay, you are kind of putting it out there that like, or Republicans get [47:24] in charge and just everything goes up, everything goes to shit. [47:27] And it was so much better under Biden. [47:29] But I'm like, I don't think me or the average American really feels that way. [47:33] And you could, if the data is there and it's true and it's factual, then that's great. [47:36] I can't argue with that as long as it's a trusting, non-biased source, which doesn't [47:41] really exist. [47:42] But this whole thing of like, everything is so bad. [47:45] I don't think it's that bad. [47:46] I think we just need to focus on America. [47:48] Yeah. [47:49] And stop sending money to every other country and helping all these people. [47:51] And I know, like I said, war is one of the most expensive things and we don't want to [47:56] be a part of that, but I wouldn't say like everything was amazing under Biden and so [48:00] cheap. [48:01] And then now all of a sudden everything's really expensive. [48:03] I don't think the normal, a normal American is experiencing that. [48:06] Okay. [48:07] Well, we can definitely demonstrate a shift in economic trends during the last two years [48:10] of the Biden Harris administration. [48:11] Every financial quarter, we saw more and more investment into American manufacturing. [48:14] We saw booming GDP growth. [48:16] We saw two historical low levels of unemployment. [48:18] 50-year record lows. [48:19] Not to mention that we saw a significant downtrend in inflation on top of pretty awesome strides [48:25] and increases in real median wages, alongside about a billion other things. [48:28] As I already told you, last year, 2025, worst jobs report since 03, ignoring recessions. [48:33] Most manufacturing bankruptcies since 08. [48:35] That's terrible. [48:36] Stagnation in real median wage growth. [48:38] The last year in 2025, the first quarter, we actually had negative GDP growth. [48:41] Only developed country in the world to have that negative GDP growth on top of, like I [48:46] said, about a billion terabytes. [48:47] Yeah. [48:48] There's terrible other things as well, ranging from a sudden decrease in inflation, but simultaneously [48:55] in consideration of all these other factors of a declining economy, like bad GDP growth, [49:00] bad jobs report, bankruptcies, seems to indicate an environment that could actually transpire [49:05] and create a recession. [49:07] It sounds like in response to all that data that I shared with you, your argument was, [49:12] I don't feel that way. [49:13] I mean, facts don't care about your feelings. [49:15] Do you have a counter argument? [49:17] Better than... [49:18] I feel like you're wrong, Dean. [49:19] No, I'm not even saying you're wrong. [49:22] I'm saying that you pretending like under the Biden administration, everything was amazing. [49:26] Now I'm under Trump, it's not. [49:28] That's just not true. [49:29] And let's also talk about why things are so bad, which we're going to probably be feeling [49:34] for the next 50 years. [49:36] Democrats shut down our country and people are forgetting that people lost everything [49:41] because of that. [49:42] The city, I'll speak for California and Los Angeles in general. [49:46] Ever since the pandemic. [49:47] Yeah. [49:48] Which obviously now we know every single thing was a lie and they just destroyed the [49:53] country for no reason. [49:55] Businesses cannot keep afloat here. [49:57] They just simply can't. [49:58] Restaurants are gone. [50:00] Businesses are gone because we have Democrats running the city. [50:03] Crime is up. [50:04] People just stopped reporting crime because there's no point because there's not enough [50:06] cops and they don't come. [50:07] So now they say the crime's down. [50:08] But I'm like, we're forgetting the biggest thing, which really is COVID. [50:12] That took a hit on our country that we are not... [50:14] How is that funny? [50:15] That we're not going to... [50:16] What? [50:17] I mean, everything is hilarious. [50:18] No, not at all. [50:20] People losing their businesses, their mental health, killing themselves, turning to alcohol, [50:25] turning to drugs, losing their job, losing their platforms, free speech, doctors losing [50:31] their... [50:32] They can't practice medicine anymore because they said there might be side effects. [50:34] I mean, that is going to affect our country for, yeah, probably 50 years. [50:38] I don't think we can... [50:39] I don't know if we're going to recover from that. [50:40] And also most people that are not nuts can tell there is a shift in everything since [50:45] then. [50:46] We cannot stay alive here. [50:48] It's just... [50:49] Nothing's been the same and it's really bad. [50:50] And I think people care about that and it's not something to joke about. [50:53] Okay. [50:54] So what I was laughing at is your very sour attempt to look all the way back to the pandemic [50:59] to somehow justify and or explain how the Democrats are responsible for the shift in [51:03] macroeconomic trends that we saw start on January 21st, 2025 with Trump's second administration. [51:09] And it is extra ironic because you actually would blame a lot of the negative economic [51:14] outcomes downstream of the pandemic that were true under the Biden hair. [51:15] I mean, it's just... [51:16] I mean, it's true under the Biden-Harris administration on Biden and Harris, even though they weren't [51:19] caused by them. [51:20] They're caused by the pandemic and they were global trends. [51:22] And your argument there was, well, Biden's president, this is all his fault. [51:26] But somehow you have found a way to reach back into the beginning of Biden's presidency [51:31] years ago to explain why Donald Trump, the current president, is not responsible for [51:37] the economic trends that we see today. [51:40] So that's what I was laughing at. [51:41] Also, spare me the fake outrage. [51:43] You responded to that by saying, what's funny, Dean? [51:45] People are done. [51:46] Moments after, in the last topic that we debated, okay, saying that this VA nurse deserved [51:52] to get murdered by 12 shots in the back by a lawless ice thug. [51:56] So spare me the fake outrage. [51:58] You don't care. [52:00] But what I would like to add on here is that I think this is an emotionally driven position. [52:05] You can't tell me that the economic trends we saw years ago because of the pandemic that [52:09] were straightened out by the Biden-Harris administration, after the pandemic, under [52:13] the Biden-Harris administration. [52:15] We saw 250,000. [52:16] We saw 50-year record low levels of unemployment. [52:18] After the pandemic, we saw a rebound in investment. [52:21] After the pandemic, we saw a rebound in GDP growth. [52:23] After the pandemic, we saw a rebound in mini markets. [52:26] And the one lingering thing that is still affecting many Americans is the price of houses [52:30] and the prices of goods. [52:31] But keep in mind, a lot of the data points that I shared weren't really too concerned [52:34] by prices. [52:35] It's just emotional. [52:36] There's no basis to your position. [52:37] And I only think the reason why you're attempting to reach all the way back into the pandemic [52:41] to justify that I'm wrong and it's all the Democrats' fault is because you don't know [52:44] the data like I do. [52:45] It doesn't seem like you know a lot of things. [52:47] Your only position in this debate is to spark fake outrage, tell me I'm crazy and liberals [52:51] suck when in all reality, I don't think you've opened up a textbook on economics for five [52:56] years. [52:57] Okay. [52:58] So fake outrage from shutting down the country and the world. [53:00] So that's just emotional. [53:02] That never happened. [53:03] We're going to have no effects from that, right? [53:06] Well, what I'm calling fake outrage is when you attempted to crucify me for laughing at [53:10] you. [53:11] Keep in mind, I'm not laughing at the pandemic. [53:12] I'm not laughing at those that lost their lives because of the pandemic. [53:15] I'm not laughing at those that were dictated. [53:16] Okay. [53:16] Attempted to drugs because of the pandemic. [53:18] I'm laughing at you attempting to reach back to the pandemic to create justification in [53:22] a thin air insofar as why Democrats are responsible for the Trump administration's faults today. [53:28] And that's something we should all laugh at just because of how truly ridiculous it is. [53:32] That's not fake outrage. [53:33] That's why I got into this. [53:34] My life was affected by it. [53:36] I lost my job. [53:37] Everyone in my family, my friends, we all lost our jobs. [53:39] We also then were being forced to put vaccines in our body, which everyone that has it will [53:44] have either effects now or later. [53:46] They're lifelong effects. [53:48] So that's affecting a lot of people in the country. [53:51] I'm sure a lot of people got the vaccine, right? [53:53] And so that's not fake outrage. [53:54] That actually changed me and every single person's life. [53:57] I know. [53:58] And we are feeling the effects from that and we're going to continue to feel the effects [54:01] from that. [54:02] We have not bounced back and that's not me blaming Democrats and Republicans. [54:05] I don't, I don't agree with the fact that Trump pushed the vaccine. [54:08] I think that was literally insane to do. [54:10] So it's like, that's not fake outrage. [54:12] That's like all of our lives were affected. [54:14] The city has gone to shit since then. [54:15] And I know. [54:16] And I see it. [54:17] Restaurants can't stay alive. [54:18] Rents are too high. [54:19] The crime's out of control. [54:20] The homeless is out of control. [54:22] And 90% of this stem from the pandemic and the people who were in charge who handled [54:27] it terribly and people lost everything because of it. [54:30] And yeah, I think the country losing everything is a lot more important than one person. [54:35] Yeah, I do care more. [54:36] Okay. [54:37] So first the direct response to the argument to shut it down because it's terrible. [54:41] Once again, we saw under the Biden Harris administration during the last two years, economic trends [54:45] that looked like this. [54:46] See the fingers going down. [54:47] It's negative. [54:48] You cannot just simply baselessly posit that the pandemic that happened all the way back [54:59] here is somehow responsible for the downtrend all the way up here. [55:03] How can you explain the uptrends that came right before it? [55:05] You can't. [55:06] Now, the indirect response that I'd like to give to the theme of what I hear from you [55:09] now is that I heard a lot of me, me, me, me, me. [55:12] I was hurt. [55:13] Therefore I care. [55:14] And I think that. [55:15] It perfectly explains, okay, the self obsessiveness of many Trump supporters with the apathetic [55:23] attitude directed towards everybody else. [55:25] Well, it wasn't you who got killed by that ICE agent, so you don't care. [55:28] It wasn't you who Donald Trump posted on Truth Social about when he was advocating for the [55:32] execution of seven Democrats in Congress, so you don't care. [55:35] It wasn't you when Donald Trump stopped paying out food stamp benefits to 16 million children [55:40] during the last 12 days of the government shutdown and then refused to abide by a court [55:43] order to pay them out. [55:44] Therefore, you don't care. [55:45] It wasn't you when Donald Trump cut 10 million low income Americans off of Medicaid under [55:49] the big, beautiful bill when we already have 51,000 low income Americans die every year [55:53] via lack of access to healthcare, so you don't care. [55:56] I mean, I could go on all day and I think that my point here is clear. [55:59] Legitimately, Emily, this is the third time we've sat down together, yet this is the first [56:03] time I've heard you care about people getting hurt. [56:06] And it's funny because it started with the word me. [56:09] I care that the country goes to shit and I care that people were forced to put poison [56:13] into their body. [56:14] That's going to inevitably probably kill them. [56:15] Yeah. [56:16] But I understand. [56:17] So you have it all. [56:18] You have all the data on your side. [56:19] Democrats are crushing it. [56:20] So why do the people not just continue to vote for them? [56:21] I don't understand. [56:22] If all of that is in front of everybody and it's black and white, they're the best for [56:23] the economy, even though the fraud we see under Democrats is the craziest thing I've [56:24] ever seen in my life. [56:25] Going all the way up to Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. [56:26] I mean, it makes sense why they brought all the Somalians here, so obviously they can [56:27] run fraud through them all. [56:28] Because they're not going to run fraud. [56:29] They're going to run fraud. [56:30] They're going to run fraud. [56:31] They're going to run fraud. [56:32] They're going to run fraud. [56:33] They're going to run fraud. [56:34] They're going to run fraud. [56:35] They're going to run fraud. [56:36] Because there's no other point in bringing these people here. [56:37] But I'm like, California, the most fraudulent state. [56:38] The amount of money we have and we piss away. [56:39] And guess what? [56:40] Every week in the news, what is it? [56:41] A new person who's a Democrat. [56:42] Oh, they actually bought a bunch of mansions. [56:43] They're in charge of the homeless money. [56:44] They're city council. [56:45] They bought new mansions, new cars. [56:46] The fraud is the biggest thing I've ever seen in my life. [56:47] I mean, it makes sense why they brought all the Somalians here, so obviously they can [56:48] run fraud through them all. [56:49] Because there's no other point in bringing these people here. [56:50] But I'm like, California, the most fraudulent state. [56:51] The amount of money we have and we piss away. [56:52] And guess what? [56:53] Every week in the news, what is it? [56:54] A new person who's a Democrat. [56:55] Oh, they actually bought a bunch of mansions. [56:56] They're in charge of the homeless money. [56:57] They're city council. [56:58] They bought new mansions, new cars. [56:59] The fraud is the issue. [57:00] And I know it happens on both sides, of course. [57:01] Because the difference is in California, you have L.A., which is just becoming a third [57:02] world shithole. [57:03] And then you have an hour away in Orange County, which is run by Republicans. [57:04] And somehow, you know, we're 45 minutes away from each other and it's pristine there. [57:05] It's perfect. [57:06] And I'm like, why is that? [57:07] I'm like, why is that? [57:08] I'm like, why is that? [57:09] I'm like, why is that? [57:10] I'm like, why is that? [57:11] How are we going to fix any problems when the fraud is this bad? [57:24] Because Democrats go in to clearly rape Americans and take their money, because they're, nothing's [57:35] getting done. [57:36] Nothing's getting done. [57:37] It's never been worse here. [57:38] We rank number one for everything bad. [57:39] Why? [57:40] Because Gavin Newsom's been in charge for how long? [57:41] We have Karen Bass who just let two sons out. [57:41] cities burned down and nothing gets better. But if all of all these talking points, everything [57:45] benefit you and Democrats on your side. And so life should be good under Democrats. Then how come [57:51] people don't just vote for Democrats, even Republicans? Why is that? Well, it's actually [57:55] funny that you asked that question. How come people don't vote for Democrats? We've already [58:00] started to see the blue wave begin. A Democrat won the mayoral race in Miami, Florida for the [58:05] first time in 20 to 30 years, as well as many other elections that I'd love to share with you [58:10] about the upcoming midterms. Okay. Well, in California, we've seen a red wave. We have the [58:15] top two people running for governor of California are both Republicans. Why is that? Because all the [58:20] money we pay in taxes doesn't fix the streets. Homeless has never been worse. Everything is [58:24] unaffordable. Crime is insane. Police don't come. We don't even have enough police to come either [58:28] way. And two cities burned to the ground. What are they focused on? Finding those people to clean up [58:33] their own houses that have burned down. Everyone's leaving. They're trying to do, you know, [58:38] millionaires aren't paying enough tax. Now we're going to do the billionaire tax. [58:40] So what are we having here? A red wave. A red wave because they have done nothing but fail us here.