Top 10 Most Heated Debates of 2025

[0:00] I am Amanda Seals. [0:01] Hey guys, what's up? This is Andrew Callaghan. [0:03] Hi, my name is Candace Owens. [0:04] Hi, I'm Sam Seder. [0:05] I'm Dr. Mikhail Varshavsky, better known as Dr. Mike across social media. [0:09] I'm Skip Bayless. [0:10] I'm Manny Hassan. I'm a journalist. I'm the editor of Zateo. [0:13] My name is Brian Johnson. [0:15] Hi, my name is Alex O'Connor. [0:16] I'm Dr. Jordan Peterson, and today I'm surrounded by 25 atheists. [0:24] My next claim is that morality and purpose cannot be found within science. [0:33] How are you doing? [0:34] Nice to meet you. [0:35] Nice to meet you. [0:35] I guess, since you said morality and purpose cannot be found in science, [0:39] it would just depend on what you're referencing. [0:41] If you're saying a description of your psychological preferences would be considered within science, sure. [0:45] But I don't think that you have to say that it comes from science in order to be an atheist. [0:48] As an agnostic atheist, I don't know if God exists, and I don't believe that God exists. [0:53] And the only ones that I would really reject would be the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good, [0:57] perfect notion of God that plenty of Christians prescribe themselves. [1:01] How is that relevant to this claim? [1:03] You're basing a position of morality and purpose. [1:05] You're basing a position of morality and purpose in some, like, notion of God that isn't the same type of notion of God that typical Christians would prescribe. [1:12] Your notion of God is that... [1:13] What typical Christians? [1:14] Yeah, typically when I talk to Christians, they say that they believe in an all-knowing... [1:17] How about Cardinal Newman, who defined God as conscience? [1:21] He was a major influence on all of Catholic social theory. [1:24] How about that Christian? [1:26] Sure. [1:27] So do you believe in the all-knowing, all-powerful, all-good notion of God? [1:30] What do you mean by believe? [1:33] Do you think it to be true? [1:34] That's the circular definition. [1:36] What do you mean? [1:37] How is that circular? [1:38] When you say you believe. [1:39] How is that circular? [1:40] Because you added no content to the answer by substituting the word true and believe. [1:47] I said you think it to be true. [1:48] All right. [1:49] So if you believe something, you stake your life on it. [1:53] What do you mean by that? [1:55] You live for it, and you die for it. [1:59] That's what I mean by that. [2:00] It isn't something that you say. [2:02] It isn't something that's associated with logical consistency. [2:06] It's not declarative. [2:07] It's not propositional. [2:08] It's not a figment of you. [2:10] It's not your imagination. [2:12] It's the presupposition of your attention and your action. [2:15] And you're either fragmented, in which case you worship multiple gods, or there's some [2:19] unity at the bottom of it that makes you an unstoppable force. [2:24] Okay. [2:26] So you're saying that you don't believe something if you wouldn't die for it? [2:29] Not really. [2:30] No. [2:31] Okay. [2:32] How would you define belief? [2:33] Something you say? [2:34] Can I explain? [2:35] I could believe it is the case that this pen exists, but if someone threatened my life, [2:39] right? [2:40] I would lie. [2:41] I would lie to save my life. [2:42] Right? [2:43] I think you would do that too. [2:44] You wouldn't lie to save your life? [2:45] Don't be so sure. [2:46] You wouldn't lie to save your life? [2:49] How much do you know about me? [2:50] I didn't lie to save my career. [2:52] I didn't lie to save my clinical practice. [2:56] Would you lie to save your children, your mom, your dad? [2:58] I don't think lying would save them. [3:01] Can there ever be a circumstance, logically, that lying could save someone's life? [3:04] Yeah. [3:05] And if you're steeped in sin, you're likely to live in circumstances like that. [3:08] I'll give you an example. [3:09] If you're in Nazi Germany, and it is the case that there's Jewish people in your home, and [3:12] there's Jewish people in your attic, and you're trying to protect them, would you [3:14] lie to the Nazis? [3:16] I would have done everything I bloody well could, so I wouldn't be in that situation [3:19] to begin with. [3:20] But would you lie? [3:21] It's a hypothetical, and it's not answerable. [3:22] You can't answer hypotheticals? [3:24] No, I can't answer a hypothetical like that, because it's far- [3:27] What? [3:29] Did you eat today? [3:30] Look. [3:31] Did you eat today? [3:32] Don't play games. [3:33] I'm not playing games. [3:34] Yes, you are. [3:35] If you present me with an intractable moral choice that's stripped of context, and you [3:36] back me into a corner, you're playing a game. [3:39] I just told you- [3:40] A hypothetical? [3:41] I would do everything that I could to make sure that I'm never- [3:44] Never in that situation. [3:46] By the time you've got there, you've made so many mistakes that there's nothing you [3:50] can do that isn't a sin. [3:53] Being born in Nazi Germany, and trying to protect people that you care about, like there [3:56] could be a Jewish friend that you have, and you want to protect them- [3:58] I think you should just give up on that line of questioning. [4:01] Give up on just trying to clarify your position? [4:04] Because you don't like- [4:05] I didn't clarify it. [4:06] Are you uncomfortable with me asking this question? [4:07] It's just a basic hypothetical. [4:08] I could ask you- [4:09] It's just a basic hypothetical, where you put Jews' lives at stake in Nazi Germany. [4:15] That's just a basic hypothetical. [4:16] Obviously, you would lie in that scenario to save their life, but you're not trying [4:18] to answer this question for some reason? [4:21] I just told you why. [4:22] Are you anti-fascist? [4:23] So you're anti-fascist? [4:25] Why are you asking that? [4:26] I was just asking. [4:27] I'm just clarifying. [4:28] But again, you're not answering this hypothetical, because you know it shows that you clearly [4:31] would lie to save someone's life. [4:32] I'm answering it in a manner you don't find acceptable, because I wouldn't be in [4:37] that scenario. [4:38] Obviously, because I care about truth. [4:39] Obviously, right? [4:40] Logically, because that's already happened. [4:41] No. [4:42] That's in the past. [4:43] You don't have a time to travel device. [4:44] We're bringing this logical hypothetical up. [4:45] To show you that in some circumstances that do happen within the real world, you would [4:49] lie to save people's lives. [4:50] So your definition of truth isn't actually how we're typically using it. [4:53] So what you're trying to do is you're trying to muddy the waters when I ask you, do you [4:56] believe this? [4:57] Do you think this to be true? [4:58] So you don't actually have to answer the questions. [4:59] And plenty of Christians don't like that, because they clearly see that you don't really [5:02] want to be associated with Christianity. [5:03] I can imagine that I was in a situation where the best I could do as a consequence [5:08] of my previous mistakes was to tell the least amount of lie I could manage. [5:13] But that would likely indicate that I had made all sorts of mistakes. [5:15] All sorts of catastrophic errors on my way there. [5:20] So you would lie to save someone's life. [5:21] So again, you do believe it to be true in that circumstance, even though you lied in [5:25] that scenario. [5:26] Not without the context that I put it in. [5:28] You were not willing to die for it. [5:29] You were not willing to let other people die for it. [5:31] So that's not what you see to be true then, seemingly. [5:36] You're doing exactly what I said you were doing at the beginning of the conversation. [5:40] You're generating an impossible, restricted hypothetical with no precursors to back me [5:46] into a corner. [5:47] How is that possible? [5:48] I'm sorry about it. [5:49] Nice to meet you. [5:50] Yeah. [5:51] Nice to meet you too. [5:53] Great conversation. [5:54] Nice to meet you. [5:55] Nice to meet you. [5:56] Okay. [5:57] So you say that women are more fulfilled at home with kids than going out into the workforce [6:00] or getting educated. [6:01] But that just really doesn't bear out when you look at the stats, when you look at how [6:04] working mothers are way less likely to be in poverty. [6:07] Maternal education is the number one predictor of childhood outcomes, better scores, getting [6:12] higher incomes in the future, fewer behavioral problems, better mental health. [6:16] So it's weird to me with... [6:18] And college educated women are least likely to die. [6:19] They're least likely to get divorced. [6:21] And they're the only women, the top 10% of women in socioeconomic... [6:24] The top 10% of women are the only women whose marriage rates are going up. [6:28] So they're getting married, they're staying married, and their kids are doing better. [6:32] When you look at, say, at home mothers, you see that they're more likely to report being [6:35] depressed. [6:36] They're more likely to report having anxiety and anger and all these types of things. [6:40] So how can you say that? [6:41] It seems like a woman, if you wanna get married and have kids, you should go to college and [6:45] have a career. [6:46] So it sounds to me like we are looking at totally different statistics because everything [6:49] that you said, I've actually read the exact opposite. [6:52] I'm glad we're on a fact-check show with you. [6:53] Right, exactly. [6:54] Oh, it's so exciting. [6:55] Please. [6:56] That's gonna be amazing. [6:57] Okay. [6:58] Okay. [6:59] Because I know, like I said, I think what we're talking about is that there was this [7:00] widespread report on female happiness, and I know that it was formally debunked and it [7:04] was spread by... [7:05] That's not what I'm talking about. [7:06] Pew Research, University of California. [7:07] Right. [7:08] Okay. [7:09] In fact, working mothers today spend more time with their children than women did in [7:11] the 1960s that were at home. [7:13] Okay. [7:14] Well, women that... [7:15] I can tell you women that are at home are obviously spending more time with their children [7:17] than the people who are at work today. [7:18] And their children are not faring off any better, and they're faring off worse. [7:21] How are you measuring their children faring off worse? [7:24] How likely they are to higher incomes, better scores, fewer health problems, fewer behavioral [7:29] issues and better mental health. [7:30] Okay. [7:31] Okay. [7:32] So just to get back to the claim that I'm making here is that it is obvious that women [7:35] who have children are going to be more fulfilled, right? [7:38] How is that obvious? [7:40] Because you said that? [7:41] No, it's not obvious because I said so. [7:45] It's because when you look at all the statistics in terms of women who are choosing not to [7:48] have families. [7:49] They are, as the person who just sat here before you mentioned, they are suffering from [7:53] more depression. [7:54] They're suffering from more anxiety. [7:55] No. [7:56] Yes. [7:57] No. [7:58] When you look at people who voluntarily don't have children, no, I'm not saying that, but [8:02] that's not true. [8:03] Okay. [8:04] It is true. [8:05] It is actually true that women who are choosing their careers over starting families are finding [8:09] themselves leaning more onto medicines like Xanax, anxiety inducing medicines and depression [8:15] because they suspended that timeframe where women really should be looking to find a partner, [8:19] trying to start a family because they were instead pursuing their careers. [8:22] Then why are they better off? [8:25] It is a dishonest, it is totally a dishonest narrative that men and women want the same [8:29] things out of life. [8:30] We don't. [8:31] We absolutely do not want the same things out of life. [8:32] In fact, we don't even measure success the same. [8:36] Men and women don't even measure success the same. [8:39] Tell me how the women who are working and getting educated, why are they faring off [8:43] better in all of these measures? [8:44] I am telling you that I do not believe they are faring off better in all of these measures. [8:47] And you're doing that because you're- [8:48] You're doing that because of what? [8:51] I am telling you that we are looking at totally opposite statistics. [8:53] So you're sitting here telling me that the statistics show that women who are working [8:57] are producing better children. [8:59] I'm saying that- [9:00] The 2012 Gallup poll that said that women staying at home are older. [9:03] I think that is exactly what I'm saying. [9:04] That women that grow up in a two family home where the mother stays at home are faring [9:07] off better than the children who are being raised in an environment where both of the [9:11] parents- [9:12] Where the women are working? [9:13] Where both of the parents are working away from the home. [9:14] So why don't you stay home? [9:15] I do get to work from home. [9:16] No, no, no. [9:17] That's the idea. [9:18] I have never talked about all of the nannies you hire. [9:19] It's so hard to find a good nanny. [9:20] I actually have never talked about all of the nannies I hire. [9:23] Yeah, you have. [9:24] I spoke about how difficult it was to find a babysitter who knew how to cook a meal. [9:28] And that's because- [9:29] Well, you don't need a babysitter. [9:30] You're already- [9:31] Okay. [9:32] You could retire right now. [9:33] You have to let people respond to you when they're speaking. [9:34] You don't want to. [9:35] To retire. [9:36] To respond to you when I speak? [9:37] No, you don't want to. [9:38] You want to be working, which is great. [9:39] You're telling me what I want now and then accusing me of telling you what you want. [9:42] Wait, you don't want to work? [9:43] Can you just let me finish? [9:44] You've said so many words that what you're trying to do here, like your argument style, [9:48] is I'm going to say so much and not let her get a word in and then walk away and feel [9:51] like I've won. [9:52] We're not having a conversation because you're not letting me respond to even one of your [9:55] points. [9:56] Go for it. [9:57] Go for it. [9:58] Okay? [9:59] What I am saying to you, first to answer what you just said, which was a lie, what I spoke [10:00] to you about on the weekends is that it's been increasingly difficult to find a 25-year-old [10:06] who even knows how to make box macaroni and cheese, right? [10:09] And that's crazy. [10:10] And that is in large part due to feminism. [10:12] Women don't even focus. [10:13] Are you- [10:14] There's this idea that women shouldn't be cooking. [10:18] There's something fundamentally wrong with women even learning how to cook, you know [10:21] what I mean? [10:22] Are you spending as much time with your children as you possibly can? [10:23] Because that's the way to get the most fulfillment. [10:25] No. [10:26] And that's what I'm trying to say. [10:27] I am speaking to you as- [10:28] So then stop. [10:29] Okay. [10:30] Could you please let somebody get in a word edgewise? [10:31] I did. [10:32] I let you finish. [10:33] You're not. [10:34] I did. [10:35] You actually have not let anybody finish. [10:36] I have. [10:37] I absolutely have. [10:38] Like I said, no one benefits when you're just speaking over me and not allowing me [10:40] to respond. [10:41] All you're proving is that you have an attitude and you believe in feminism. [10:43] Okay. [10:44] Right now? [10:45] But you're not. [10:46] See, that's what I'm saying. [10:47] You just have an attitude and it's not cute. [10:48] It's trying to- [10:49] It's performative. [10:50] I'd love if you address my point. [10:51] I will be quiet if you address my point. [10:52] Does anybody actually feel here that I am being allowed to address any of her points [10:56] when she just keeps running over me? [10:57] Yes. [10:58] Yes. [10:59] I'm literally trying to answer your first point of you saying that I don't stay at [11:03] home. [11:05] Fair point. [11:06] Fair point. [11:07] Obviously, I get that you're all anti-Kandace and pro-feminist, but also it's not productive [11:11] if you're not actually- [11:12] Okay. [11:13] Okay. [11:14] ... having more time saying that I'm not addressing- [11:15] Okay. [11:16] ... that you don't have a chance to talk. [11:17] The whole time, you could have addressed the point. [11:18] Okay. [11:19] You could have talked. [11:20] Go for it. [11:21] I just want you to know that you're not coming across as somebody who wants [11:22] to actually have a conversation. [11:23] Okay. [11:24] To get back to the claim because I don't even know where you're at. [11:26] You're not talking. [11:27] You're saying that I said stuff in my podcast- [11:28] I'll go wherever you want to go. [11:29] ... that I never said. [11:30] I'll go wherever you want to go. [11:31] Do you want to start with me working at home? [11:32] Because I work at home. [11:33] You just said something about me working at home. [11:34] No. [11:35] You travel all around the world. [11:36] Okay. [11:37] You do speeches. [11:38] I love that. [11:39] I love how ambitious you are. [11:40] Okay. [11:41] Yes. [11:42] That's a really great trait. [11:43] And if you were truly said that you would be more fulfilled. [11:44] Now, one thing you do find is women, they don't want to stay at home when you pull them. [11:47] They just want flexible working hours and flexible working conditions like you have. [11:51] And I think we should all advocate for that. [11:52] It's not one or the other. [11:53] But when you sit here and you go, you'll be more fulfilled doing this and spend all your [11:56] time doing that- [11:57] Yes. [11:58] ... we would love for you to leave the public eye and go focus on what makes you [12:00] fulfilled. [12:01] Okay. [12:06] Magic Johnson is the greatest Laker of all time. [12:16] So Kobe Bryant, 20 years old. [12:19] Winners with the same team, 18 All-Stars, 15 All-NBA, 12 All-Defense, MVP, two finals [12:27] MVPs, five championships. [12:29] And even though he's done all of that, I think what makes him the greatest Laker of all time, [12:34] it's different than what makes a player the greatest player of all time. [12:38] Because LeBron's not the greatest Heat player of all time. [12:42] That's Dwyane Wade. [12:43] So it's not just, are you better? [12:44] Are you greater? [12:45] It's what you've done for that city and that franchise. [12:49] And I would argue it. [12:50] I love Magic. [12:51] I grew up on Magic. [12:53] But when you watch- [12:54] It feels like you grew up more on Kobe, right? [12:57] I'm older than I look, honestly. [13:00] But Magic, when you saw him on the court, he was like the greatest showman, right? [13:04] He's a performer. [13:05] He was. [13:06] Charisma, a smile, the flashiness, showtime, right? [13:10] Kobe, when you saw him on the court, it was like watching your brother, your sibling, [13:16] or your uncle or something, your son. [13:19] Because he had this fully-realized... [13:20] Fully-realized character arc. [13:22] He was a rookie. [13:23] He failed. [13:24] He did. [13:25] I mean, not drafted by the Lakers, but we got him early. [13:29] And the air balls. [13:31] And then the rising to prominence, 2000. [13:33] You're just 18 years old, but go ahead. [13:35] Yeah. [13:36] Yeah. [13:37] But 2000, taking over in the finals after Shaq got hurt, after Jalen Rose shadily sprained [13:41] his ankle, and then he came back, and then he got him back with the 81 later. [13:46] And then the championships. [13:47] And then there was another... [13:48] He went through kind of a villain arc. [13:50] He did. [13:51] Yep. [13:52] There was Colorado. [13:53] There was Colorado. [13:54] All the down years. [13:55] Good. [13:56] Like it. [13:57] If you're a fan, you're with... [13:58] Kobe's with you that whole time. [14:00] And I actually didn't like Kobe early on. [14:02] I was mad when they started playing him over Eddie Jones early days. [14:08] And you went through all of that, and Kobe just won you over. [14:11] That's why there are more than 350 murals of Kobe in LA. [14:14] There are. [14:15] So you're making the case that Kobe is dearer to your heart than Magic was. [14:19] Kobe is a bigger place in your heart. [14:21] And I'm making the case that Magic had greater impact consistently than Kobe had. [14:27] Because Magic was the driving force of the Showtime Lakers, and Kobe was not the driving [14:33] force of the three-peat. [14:34] Right? [14:35] Sure. [14:36] Well, let me address that real quick. [14:37] Because you're going to the finals, and you're talking about Shaq. [14:40] But that's always with the team from the East, and the East had notoriously bad big men. [14:45] Everyone knows in those years, the finals was the Western Conference Finals. [14:48] Yeah. [14:49] Yeah. [14:50] And in those series, Kobe was instrumental. [14:55] You know, in 2002, Kobe and Shaq basically throughout the whole playoffs had equivalent [14:58] points. [14:59] They did. [15:00] Yeah, the same amount of points. [15:01] And Shaq himself has admitted on various podcasts and different things, he was never the guy [15:05] to take the last shot. [15:06] I know you value that, right? [15:08] Jordan's your guy. [15:09] Kobe is the closest thing that we've ever seen to Jordan. [15:12] And he was a guy who never shied away from the moment. [15:14] He was a guy who always made the most of his opportunity when it was there. [15:18] I'll give you that. [15:19] And I don't think he gets enough credit for the second run that he made with Pau. [15:25] That team wasn't, I mean, that's not an all-time team. [15:28] No. [15:29] You know, his all-time, his supporting cast was not all-time. [15:30] But his breakthrough was not against an all-time team, because remember, the magic upset LeBron's [15:34] Cavaliers to get to the finals, right? [15:37] I mean, I give you that, but you can only play the team that, you know, I think LeBron, [15:41] maybe he's the one who did, they had the Nike commercials. [15:43] That is true. [15:44] But LeBron did hold up his end. [15:45] It was supposed to be. [15:46] He didn't hold up his end in the bargain. [15:47] But, I mean. [15:48] Okay. [15:49] So, you're okay with Kobe pouting in a game seven at Phoenix against Rajah Bell? [15:54] I'm not okay with it, but I mean, are you okay with 84, Tragic Johnson, where, you know, [15:59] runs out the clock, throws the turnover? [16:01] He did, but he bounced right back the next year in 85, and he was the, he shoots a baby [16:07] hook shot. [16:08] And Kobe bounced back the next year by going to the finals. [16:10] Okay. [16:11] He did. [16:12] Yeah. [16:13] After the, you mean after the pout? [16:14] Yeah. [16:15] After the pout. [16:16] Yeah. [16:17] Okay. [16:18] That's what you're pointing at. [16:18] Every player has failures, except for maybe, who's your goat, but every player has that. [16:26] Magic has that. [16:27] Kobe has that. [16:28] I think in terms of LA and LA. [16:31] Okay. [16:32] But if you look at Shaq's numbers in those three finals, and I give you that the big [16:36] men, the Tim Duncans were over on the other side of the bracket, right? [16:40] But he goes 38, 17 and two in their first finals, 33, 16 and five and 36, 12 and four. [16:48] Look at the assists. [16:49] He's averaging five assists a game in the NBA finals. [16:52] He, listen, those three years, and I've been doing this a long time. [16:56] I was actually covering the Kareem Lakers pre-magic out here in LA. [16:59] I'm about to get voted out real quick, real quick, real quick. [17:04] Did were any of those finals really competitive Pacers, Sixers, and Nets? [17:09] No, they weren't competitive. [17:11] They dominated those teams. [17:13] Because you had the greatest offensive force I've ever seen, including Jordan. [17:18] Where he was unrefereeable at that point, because I never knew whether it's offense [17:23] or defense, you know, on the foul. [17:24] I think Kobe could easily have had better numbers. [17:27] He didn't have to. [17:28] You know, Shaq, those teams were not equipped to play against the Lakers. [17:33] Credit Allen Iverson for getting the one game in 2001. [17:36] He got it. [17:37] He was big. [17:38] That was the greatest achievement of his career. [17:39] Yeah. [17:40] Yeah. [17:43] Good job. [17:44] My next claim is that RFK Jr. is a public health threat. [17:47] How you doing, sir? [17:51] Hello. [17:52] Good to see you again. [17:53] I just want to say, there haven't been a lot of people in public health advocating [17:57] for natural remedies, or even talking about working out, talking about getting the fluoride [18:02] out of the water, talking about getting the chemicals out of the food. [18:06] So how could you say this when most of the problems that are facing this country, cancer, [18:11] diabetes, heart disease, are really coming from all of these forever chemicals that are, [18:16] yes, on clothes, but that even should be regulated as well. [18:19] Wouldn't you agree? [18:20] Yeah. [18:21] I think that everything RFK Jr. says. [18:22] Yeah. [18:23] I think that everything RFK Jr. says is not necessarily wrong. [18:27] The best analogy I can think of is, if I have a clock that's broken, it's still right sometimes, [18:33] but it doesn't mean I'm going to wear it and call it a good clock. [18:36] I love that. [18:37] Have you been wrong before in your life? [18:39] Absolutely. [18:40] In your practice as a doctor? [18:41] Absolutely. [18:42] I've been wrong as well. [18:43] And what I will say is, all of us have the ability to atone. [18:46] All of us have the ability to know new information. [18:50] And just like I hope that we can be able to trade information and look on... [18:54] Look on the other side of the aisle and say, you know what? [18:57] There are people who care about people. [18:59] And I want you to realize that that's what you're surrounded by right now. [19:03] We're not only talking about ourselves in terms of our own well-being and saying, this [19:07] is my choice, but also saying there is a big issue in this country. [19:11] As it pertains to the children, we could just look at the children, and even if we talk [19:14] about, once again, the vaccine aspect of COVID and how COVID wasn't affecting children, but [19:20] yet all of these other issues are, and they got to grow up in this world. [19:24] So the idea for me that we have all of the testing and all of the evidence for COVID [19:30] is also false. [19:31] So when people are skeptical and people are like, you know, people say the different disinformation [19:36] doesn't, I say the divine information doesn't, because they were kind of prophets when you [19:40] look at it. [19:41] If you look back at their old claims, a lot of things that they said came true. [19:45] Even when we look at all of the things that Fauci was involved in, gain of function research, [19:49] everything going on in that Wuhan lab in China, there's a lot of things that we can say. [19:53] So I would hope that based off of this conversation, you could at least have a little bit of heart [19:57] to say, you know what, maybe RFK is not just thinking about his career, but he's actually [20:02] thinking about people. [20:03] And I think all medical doctors should do the same. [20:05] Yeah, I think everyone in this room has been very charitable in speaking with me, and I [20:10] actually really appreciate it. [20:11] I'm here volunteering my time to try and just share what I've learned, my experience, my [20:17] knowledge, what I would do if I was facing a dilemma with vaccinating my future child. [20:23] And my goal is just to share the most accurate information, because when I started in health [20:29] care and I was a resident and I was in my training, the amount of negative things people [20:35] were doing to their health, like a lot of the metabolic things that you've discussed, [20:39] like the lifestyle choices, were largely due to other people misinforming them or making [20:45] miracle promises. [20:47] Like almost like doctors saying cigarette smoke is actually good for you? [20:51] Exactly. [20:52] Yeah. [20:53] And you know, like 50% of it over the next hundred years will be found to be ineffective [20:58] or there's going to be something better. [20:59] And we'll go back to nature, right? [21:01] And some of it will go back to nature. [21:03] Like going back to nature sounds really good, but there's also a little bit of a fallacy [21:07] in that. [21:08] So like in nature, people walk barefoot, but we don't choose to walk barefoot because we [21:13] don't want to get tetanus infection from the floor and get cuts on our feet. [21:17] There's cave- [21:18] Yeah, and all of these chemical induced floors that we're putting all of these bleaches, [21:22] these things that are known to- [21:23] Forever chemicals in our watch bands. [21:25] But grounding is a thing. [21:26] Earthing is a thing that has proven to help with cancer. [21:28] So how do we balance a healthy lifestyle of being outdoors with modern science is where [21:34] we need to go? [21:35] I think we can do it, right? [21:36] Because allopathic medicine did rule out, once again, I think I've brought up the flexor [21:39] before, right? [21:40] I'm not an allopathic physician. [21:41] How wild is that? [21:42] I'm an osteopathic physician. [21:43] Oh. [21:44] So I think more of the holistic approach than a traditional allopathic physician would. [21:48] I did not go to an allopathic medical school. [21:50] And I am very passionate about one thing. [21:52] Mm-hmm. [21:53] That I feel like is lost in modern healthcare. [21:55] The body's ability to heal itself. [21:57] Yes. [21:58] Amen. [21:59] And I think that sometimes we envision so much more control than what we actually have. [22:05] Like for example, do you think wearing a seatbelt saves lives? [22:08] It can. [22:09] Yeah. [22:10] For sure. [22:11] Has it ever saved yours? [22:12] No. [22:13] Have you worn it all the time or a majority of the time? [22:14] I have not worn it all the time. [22:15] But I can see- [22:16] A majority of the time. [22:17] You regularly wear it. [22:18] Yeah. [22:19] For sure. [22:20] Does that mean it was stupid to have done so? [22:21] No. [22:22] Not at all. [22:23] I mean, I think that life as a vaccine would be risky in that way. [22:25] So there's some people that believe, like anti-vaxxers believe, vaccines are harmful [22:29] without great evidence, that seatbelts can cause you to get trapped and et cetera, et [22:33] cetera, and actually cause more problems. [22:34] You're saying anti-vaxxers believe that? [22:35] No. [22:36] I'm saying like anti-vaxxers believe negative beliefs about vaccines that are not all proven. [22:41] Some people say that about seatbelts. [22:43] Some people say that the world is not round and they believe it to be flat. [22:45] Now can you compare vaccine skepticism with really seatbelt skepticism? [22:50] Like do you think that really weighs, especially when people have been injured? [22:52] I think the principle. [22:53] Yeah. [22:54] People have been injured from vaccines. [22:55] This is a real thing that is happening. [22:56] People have been injured by seatbelts. [22:57] I understand. [22:58] So I'm going to give somebody else a time, but my claim is pretty much that RFK is standing [23:04] up for a lot of different things that are going on in this country right now that are [23:07] causing more damage than COVID. [23:09] I would love for someone else to stand up for those things as opposed to RFK. [23:12] I think you do as well, right? [23:13] But we agree with you. [23:14] Yeah. [23:15] My next claim is that black on black crime is a result of underinvestment and over-policing. [23:25] So you say that black on black crime is due to underfunding and over-policing. [23:28] Underfunding and over-policing, essentially. [23:30] I actually don't necessarily disagree with one of those. [23:34] I think that, however, the government, who do you think should be responsible for the [23:38] funding piece of the black community? [23:40] Should that be something that the government should step into, or should that be something [23:42] that we as black people need to handle ourselves? [23:44] Dr. Jordan Peterson and even Thomas Sowell and several others have stated one thing, [23:49] that poverty and crime, there's a positive correlation. [23:52] There's also a positive correlation in the black community of absentee fatherism being [23:55] one of the root causes leading into criminality. [23:58] Black males that grow up without a father are 10 times more likely to engage in criminal [24:02] activity. [24:03] And so I think one of the- [24:04] Can I put a pin right there and ask you a question? [24:05] Ask me whatever you like. [24:07] What is the root cause of there being less fathers present? [24:11] Bad decision-making on the part of the fathers. [24:12] We live in a patriarchal system, like it or not. [24:14] Men have dominated the socioeconomic, economic, and political power of this country and the [24:18] world since our existence. [24:19] So our bad decision-making, especially when we focus on the black community, is the root [24:24] cause of fatherlessness. [24:25] What type of decisions? [24:27] Not marrying the women. [24:28] We decide to lay down and have children with them. [24:29] Not being careful with the seeds that we plant in women. [24:32] No woman can get pregnant without a man planting his seed inside of her. [24:35] So therefore- [24:36] So it's marriage? [24:37] Well, that's a part of it. [24:39] Marriage is a part of it. [24:40] Okay. [24:41] But the true piece that I'm looking at is connectedness between familial units. [24:44] The black community was at its economically strongest while being at its poorest during [24:49] the segregation era. [24:50] Prior to 1968, Dr. Martin Luther King, in his last speech, said that, we have an annual [24:54] income of more than $30 billion a year, which is more than all of the exports of Canada [24:58] and more or more than all of the exports of the united states and more than the national budget [25:02] of canada that was when we were economically at our poorest yet 85 of our black children were [25:06] growing up with a father in the home there was less black on black crime there was less uh [25:12] disenfranchised why was there less black on black crime because we needed to live together we had [25:16] we had to stick by each other we had to what was there also less of i'm not sure where you're [25:20] leaving that's a leading question i don't like we you don't like this i don't like leading questions [25:24] no i like your extra so essentially when we were living in our own communities we were also [25:30] policing our own communities so we were not being used as statistics in the same way to determine [25:37] how resources were provided to our own communities when we were going to the government saying hey [25:42] we deserve because we are supposed to be separate but equal we weren't saying hey we want to be [25:48] with y'all we were essentially saying we want what you are stating we deserve and that is what all [25:53] of the [25:54] efforts of the civil rights movement has been it's literally just been to say you said when we [25:58] got out of the civil war that we would be considered citizens and all all citizens should [26:03] be getting equal access to these things however you are actively allowing the clan to harm us [26:10] you're actively allowed who's killed more black people the clan or us i would like to continue [26:14] my statement i let you speak uninterrupted when we talk about this concept of who is harming us [26:20] we are really making a false claim when it comes to black on black crime as if there isn't white [26:26] on white crime there's also this unnecessary effort to try and pathologize black on black [26:31] crime in a way that you don't try to pathologize white on white crime there are white people [26:35] killing each other every single day now they may be on jet skis in the pictures after they shoot up [26:40] their whole family but nonetheless there are white people killing each other every single day now [26:45] much of the reason why you may see more numbers in terms of black on black crime are for two reasons [26:48] one the statistics be lying all the time [26:50] we are not a black on black crime [26:50] have seen the numbers okay we have seen this in a real way so in new jersey so in new jersey what [26:55] numbers can be trusted because with the previous speaker i'm about to tell you right now okay so [26:58] your sources you can't such number no i'm literally about to give you an example of [27:02] numbers not being able to be trusted okay talk to me that's what i was doing okay okay then then [27:07] listen oh my ears so listen in new jersey they had a statistic that was created by the police [27:12] department that said look at how many black people are committing crimes look at how crazy this [27:17] number is these black people are so exorbitantly violent look at this [27:21] and then people went and actually matched the names that they were booking with the faces [27:28] of the actual people incarcerated and it was proven that they were lying so that's one okay so that's [27:33] one instance hold on you're talking to somebody that works as a police dispatcher when i'm not [27:36] making content so here's the thing so no no no you see well the truth is you're about to see the [27:40] truth if you just give me a second like trump said just give me a second i'm going to do the weave [27:43] but give me a minute well here's what you all keep doing you keep interrupting me when i'm talking [27:47] and you don't want to hear the point that i'm going to make the point and yet you're really [27:50] want me to respect your point and that's not how a debate works so if you want me to keep getting [27:55] louder i will do it but ultimately if i show you respect give me the respect back i let you talk [28:01] i let you make your points i am countering your points and my points are just as valid as yours [28:05] even though you got a pocket square and a church of christ uh pin on your chest it's not a church [28:09] of christ whatever it's a cross same difference you got an american flag and you think you know [28:13] something because you're a cop and ultimately it's a cab all day over here so let me make that clear [28:20] uh-huh my point is that you can sit here and blame black people on black people all day long [28:27] and not acknowledge that we are forced into you're coming to interrupt me again i haven't even said a [28:33] word all right that is flagged so i'm gonna ask you to return to your seat it's a waste of my time [28:38] y'all just want to be seen i don't need to be seen my first claim is trump's attack on dei [28:44] hides his real goal which is to give corporations more power hey how are you good how you doing okay [28:56] d-i essentially if a person was not racist he would hire someone regardless right [29:03] so why would we need a policy to protect a person if we've moved past racism so would [29:09] you consider yourself racist wait are you suggesting we've moved past racism [29:14] would you consider yourself racist i consider myself and sometimes i practice i think we all [29:19] practice like some form of you know white supremacy i think actually like we all do to [29:25] some degree well i think�i 당신 hi brown manna אתה bliver u Times Gayen uh we would be [29:26] sorry to hear that yeah because it's a bad Verfügung room for debate. Well i think so. I to was英 parlance duo say so to chat [29:26] I'm glad that you're saying that. [29:28] So I guess going to the LGBT topic, it seems like it's very prevalent for you as an issue. [29:33] Well, it seems like a big issue. [29:35] I mean, the Republican Party spent literally hundreds of millions of dollars demonizing trans people. [29:40] Well, the reason why they've done something like that, and I think you're misconstruing the narrative, [29:44] they haven't demonized them. [29:46] They simply want protections back for their own children because children are being stripped away from their parents. [29:51] Who's their own children? [29:52] Children are being stripped away from their parents? [29:55] Yes, due to AB 954, they've now included gender identity as a premise to remove and strip parental rights for children [30:05] who maybe they are rejecting their gender ideology. [30:08] But you'd be okay with parents who agree with their children's doctors to provide gender-affirming care? [30:16] I do not agree with that. Do you? [30:19] I believe that parents and doctors can make those decisions with the kids, of course. [30:25] If a child can't smoke. [30:26] If a child can't smoke, drink, or have sex before the age of 18, they should not be able to consent to a sex change. [30:31] Now, in terms of a DEI initiative, the reason why there's military bans on trans women and trans men [30:39] is because they do not have the ability to cooperate at a mental capacity [30:44] when they're constantly undergoing hormone treatment, as well as depression pills, [30:48] as well as different mood stabilizer pills. [30:50] And so when you go out to combat, do you really think you're going to bring an ice cooler pack [30:55] with your... [30:56] whether that be hormone, estrogen, or whatever it may be, while you're about to shoot someone of the opposing war? [31:04] Well, the executive orders that Trump gave were DEIA orders that had to do with agencies that have nothing to do with the military. [31:13] Yes, they do. Yes, they absolutely do. [31:15] The FDA? [31:17] They just revoked the ability of the Air Force to teach Air Force members about the Tuskegee Airmen. [31:25] Well, we're not... [31:26] What are we... [31:26] What are we talking about here? [31:28] Okay, well... [31:29] Honestly, like, they're rewriting history. [31:32] Well, that's your perspective, right? [31:33] But at the end of the day, if a person... [31:36] Tuskegee Airmen, we can all agree, existed, right? [31:38] Just listen to this. [31:39] If you were racist, right, and you were an employer, [31:42] and if you wanted to absolutely be racist and exercise that, you would. [31:45] I think DEI sort of prevents people from seeing the reality. [31:49] If a person truly wanted to hire you based on your intellect, based on your skill set, they would. [31:55] DEI essentially prevents... [31:57] DEI provides tax cuts for the end of the year when you create your tax returns. [32:01] They give you a tax credit for hiring someone who is black or a person of color. [32:06] I don't know if you knew that. [32:07] In these agencies? [32:08] In agencies, in private businesses. [32:10] In government agencies, they don't get tax cuts for hiring people of color. [32:14] And the other thing I wanted to... [32:15] This is to protect people from discrimination. [32:18] The other thing I want to kind of state here is that I've realized that a lot of the times with the liberals [32:22] is that you guys push for, for example, for DEI and people of... [32:27] Latino or Hispanic descent, and a lot of the times what you don't realize is you're actually doing more harm than good [32:34] by putting them in positions where you make them believe that it's based on the color of their skin. [32:39] It's based on... [32:40] DEIA does not... [32:43] It's based on merit. [32:45] DEI emphasizes color, skin color, physical attributes. [32:48] It says that the people who work in your agency, it's about anti-discrimination. [32:54] Discrimination against what? [32:56] Against people who may have... [32:58] May have different cultural mores, may have different... [33:02] But that's irrelevant to a job, right? [33:04] It should be based on merit. [33:06] And that is the emphasis here. [33:07] People get hired as a merit, but if you're, if you're... [33:10] Not if you get a tax cut. [33:12] If the DEIA... [33:14] I'm talking about Trump's rescission of these orders on these agencies. [33:16] If you received a tax cut as an employer, wouldn't you hire a person of color? [33:20] Dude, if... [33:21] If you could pay them less? [33:22] Listen, we're talking about government agencies that do not get tax cuts. [33:28] They don't... [33:29] They... [33:30] Government agencies... [33:31] They don't. [33:32] No, these are... [33:33] Yes, they do. [33:34] They absolutely do. [33:35] I'm talking about... [33:36] Every... [33:36] Every private and public sector gets tax cuts when you hire a person of color. [33:42] Government agencies don't pay taxes. [33:45] Government agencies operate on... [33:47] Are funded by the government. [33:49] That is not true. [33:50] That is not true. [33:51] And you know what? [33:52] I think... [33:52] I think the whole juxtapose of this entire conversation... [33:56] What month is this? [33:57] This is January. [33:59] Okay, so we can agree on that. [34:02] The FDA does not pay taxes. [34:08] It does not get a tax cut because it doesn't pay taxes. [34:13] DEIA forces them, as an agency, to say, [34:20] if you have a job opening, you must do your best efforts to make sure that every part of society... [34:26] I like that. [34:26] I love the buzzword, you must do your best effort. [34:29] I love that buzzword. [34:30] Okay, pause. [34:31] Because you feel like you have to, you're pressured to. [34:34] Yes. [34:35] You shouldn't be pressured to hire someone based on skin color. [34:37] No, not to hire someone on skin color, but put up notice about what the... [34:43] That the job exists. [34:44] Make sure that you put it in different communities so that you have as wide an application pool as possible. [34:49] And therefore you get tax cuts. [34:51] All right. [34:51] Return to your seat. [34:52] At the end of the year when you file taxes, you get a tax cut for hiring someone who speaks a different language or different skin color. [34:58] I don't know how to respond to that. [35:02] All right. [35:04] My first claim is QAnon is a baseless conspiracy theory. [35:07] There's no evidence of a global cabal of Satan-worshipping child trafficking elites that control everything. [35:23] I'm quicker than I look, huh? [35:25] Thanks for coming. [35:26] I appreciate it. [35:26] My pleasure. [35:27] Yeah, man. [35:27] I'm a little quicker than I look. [35:28] Yeah. [35:29] So my issue is with the claim in and of itself, right? [35:32] The fact that QAnon may be baseless then means that there is no child trafficking ring going on. [35:37] That's akin to saying that the Easter Bunny is not real. [35:40] Therefore, there was no conspiracy. [35:42] There's no conspiracy to hide Biden's mental decline. [35:44] Well, first of all, before we proceed, there's definitely horrible child sex trafficking rings that exist in the U.S. [35:50] I just think that pedophilia is a pervasive problem among all crests of society. [35:55] I just think that the rich have an easier time covering it up because they can pay for lawyers and they have money to keep people quiet. [36:01] That in and of itself is a conspiracy that you just described. [36:03] Well, then I'm a conspiracy theorist, I guess. [36:05] You just described a conspiracy. [36:05] No, I just don't think it's limited specifically to an unnamed anonymous class of baby-eating elites. [36:10] Well, let's say the NGOs that are unnamed. [36:12] We have humans being trafficked in migrant camps going all across Mexico. [36:16] Somebody pays for that, whether it's NGOs, whether it's the U.N. [36:19] We have pedophile rings that we know have been exposed throughout the Catholic Church. [36:24] It's hard to get more elite than the Vatican. [36:27] Then you have people that are hiding, obviously, what's going on with Jeffrey Epstein, Ghislaine Maxwell. [36:32] So the idea that because we don't know who the tip of the spear is or that the cobra hasn't shown its head means that there's no cabal behind the scenes. [36:42] Somebody is coordinating this. [36:44] Now, let me put it this way. [36:46] I wish that there was as much scrutiny being applied to the evidence that we have and that we've presented than there is to the conspiracy theorists that are presenting the evidence. [36:56] A conspiracy theorist, to me, is a derogatory claim for people that don't trust establishment narrative. [37:02] But the establishment has done everything they possibly can do to discredit themselves. [37:07] And I think that the establishment had a hand in creating QAnon. [37:10] I think it's the sole biggest driving force. [37:12] And making all... [37:13] Careful, Andrew. That sounds like a conspiracy theory. [37:15] I'm just saying, it's like, if you think about this, right? [37:17] Like, we know with the Epstein stuff, there were underage sex trafficking rings that existed, right? [37:21] Now, think about this logical digression from that. [37:23] And they're eating babies to get adrenochrome so they can be immortal. [37:27] Think about how different those things are. [37:28] I hear you. [37:29] And that's... [37:30] So that's disproving the existence of one by continuing to... [37:34] It's what we call searching for the falsehood, right? [37:36] So something can't be true because three steps down the line, something is untrue. [37:41] I think that's... [37:42] The first thing is true. [37:43] The first thing is true. [37:44] We can agree that there are children being trafficked. [37:46] Yes. [37:47] We can agree that it seems to be some sort of systemic industrialized component to this child trafficking, right? [37:54] Absolutely. [37:55] Okay. [37:56] So then somebody has to pay for that. [37:58] Somebody has to organize that. [37:59] Yeah. [38:00] Somebody with means. [38:01] Somebody that could be, I don't know, classified as an elite. [38:05] Yeah. [38:06] And that could be an elite child conspiracy, right? [38:08] Yeah. [38:09] To traffic children. [38:10] Could be a cartel middleman with a bunch of money, man. [38:11] It could. [38:12] So what I would say is this. [38:13] What people that trust establishment, not that you're one of them. [38:17] Yeah. [38:18] What I wish that they understood is that we agree with them in that I hope I'm wrong. [38:22] Right. [38:23] Like the establishment wants me to be wrong and I want me to be wrong. [38:26] I don't want there to be children being trafficked. [38:28] Right. [38:29] And I don't want our government, our taxpayer dollars having anything to do with it. [38:32] But I think that a conspiracy theorist used to be called an investigative journalist. [38:36] Yeah. [38:37] We have questions. [38:38] And I think that those questions deserve to be answered. [38:39] Yeah. [38:40] And I think that that's the issue here. [38:41] When people say, no, there's no list. [38:43] Yeah. [38:44] Stop asking questions. [38:45] Move on. [38:46] Well, then we feel like we should ask some more questions. [38:47] Yeah. [38:48] And I feel like that's got to be less than 10% of the population who says there's no [38:51] list. [38:52] Let's move on. [38:53] Yeah. [38:54] I think right now is probably the first time where you see like leftists and conservatives [38:57] coming together to demand accountability from the government. [38:59] No doubt about it. [39:00] And I think that QAnon was probably a psyop in and of itself by Steve Bannon, Miles [39:04] Quo, a variety of strange actors that work with the Watkins family and HN to basically [39:09] discredit people from actually. [39:10] Putting the target where it should have been, which is right in front of our faces. [39:14] The richest people in the world, most of them, you can look their name up. [39:17] Not saying there isn't people who are just random rich financiers that are anonymous, [39:21] but we can see, you can look at companies like BlackRock, Vanguard. [39:24] You can look up online. [39:26] We're all, we all have iPhones, right? [39:28] Yeah. [39:29] Apple, these major social media platforms have CEOs, the Saudis, the richest people [39:32] in the world are operating in plain sight. [39:34] And so I feel like when you aim the target at this unnamed mysterious cabal of people [39:37] eating babies in the hills, you're basically creating a thing that they're not going to [39:40] see. [39:41] Right. [39:42] That doesn't exist to convince people to look in the wrong direction. [39:43] Who is doing that? [39:44] Right. [39:45] Like you said, we can look up the richest people in the world, but we're everyday people. [39:46] Yeah. [39:47] We have jobs. [39:48] We have things that we're supposed to be focusing on that are outside in the realm of information [39:51] finding. [39:52] We don't have the time to go through all of the different NGOs that these people have [39:55] created to hide themselves from this. [39:58] Right. [39:59] This is the job of journalists. [40:00] This is the job of our media. [40:01] Unfortunately, our media has been captured by these same elites that you're talking about. [40:05] Not to bring up another conspiracy theory here. [40:07] Right. [40:08] Right. [40:09] We used to be the fourth estate, right? [40:12] We used to be able to trust journalists to get to the bottom of it so that we, the plumber, [40:15] didn't have to spend our weekends digging through tax files to be like, oh my God, did [40:19] George Soros really get $270 million from USAID? [40:23] Yeah. [40:24] Yeah. [40:25] That's not what we planned on doing. [40:26] Right. [40:27] Right. [40:28] This was your job. [40:29] But now the conspiracy theory is anybody that doesn't trust the establishment narrative. [40:32] They have made us distrust our neighbor and trust the government. [40:35] They have made us look at each other from a veil of... [40:39] So if the government doesn't have privacy, but the government deserves privacy, this [40:41] is a matter of national security. [40:42] Right. [40:43] Well, it's a matter of national security that we can't know who was selling children. [40:48] Yeah. [40:49] Then I think they've answered the question. [40:51] I think the Epstein thing is probably the biggest potential breakthrough into dismantling [40:55] some of those blackmail networks that have kept so much of the media and government compliant. [40:59] But the thing is, whenever people stop trusting the mainstream narrative, which overall I [41:02] think is a good thing, it makes way for an entire vacuum. [41:05] Give me real quick. [41:06] Sorry to cut you off. [41:07] Which is a good thing? [41:08] Distrusting the mainstream matter or trusting it? [41:09] When people stop trusting the mainstream narrative. [41:10] When people stop trusting the mainstream narrative and do their own research, generally, that's [41:12] a good thing. [41:13] However, that creates a vacuum where people who are even less reliable can fill the void [41:16] with just different stuff. [41:17] But that's okay though, because information is cleansing. [41:19] Sunlight is cleansing. [41:20] But the best part about the conspiracy community, and I'm going to start as a conspiracy theorist. [41:24] I'm a guy that trusts the government, USA, baby. [41:28] But as you pull at these threads, you start realizing the government has lied to us over [41:32] and over and over again. [41:34] Yeah. [41:36] Hell yeah. [41:37] Good job. [41:41] My next claim is that God commands genocide in the Bible. [41:42] Yeah. [41:43] Hello. [41:46] Hi, Alex. [41:47] Nice to meet you. [41:48] So you pointed at several passages, but the prophets through and through condemn Israel [41:52] in much harsher terms, and in fact, God dispersed them in much greater judgments because they [41:58] were... [41:59] And in fact, in Ezekiel, it says that because you were supposed to be the light of the world, [42:02] you are judged all the more strictly and are more responsible. [42:05] So God was just with Israel, and in fact, he placed more of a burden and a mantle and [42:10] a responsibility on them and judged them for it than he did the nations. [42:13] Okay. [42:14] Okay. [42:15] So you're saying that the number of generations that passed before the Amalekites were judged [42:20] and the Canaanites were judged. [42:21] Yeah. [42:22] But we can come back to that point. [42:23] Okay. [42:24] But can I ask you then? [42:25] Yes. [42:28] How do you define genocide? [42:29] Right. [42:30] If I may, I actually have a question I wanted to ask you first. [42:31] I think it's important to know what we're talking about. [42:32] I understand. [42:33] What is a genocide? [42:34] Based on the word genome, obviously, etymologically, we understand that you're taking it as a tribal [42:38] seed line, which is fair. [42:40] I understand that. [42:41] Yeah. [42:42] It could be tribe, religion. [42:43] Sure. [42:44] Sure. [42:45] I can understand that. [42:46] And we're talking about the destruction or attempted destruction. [42:47] Right. [42:48] So here's the problem. [42:49] Expulsion of people based on those characteristics. [42:50] So here's the problem. [42:51] Genocide, especially the way it's used today, implies that it's based on the race. [42:57] And that is categorically against the command of God to conquer the Canaanites. [43:03] It had nothing to do with their race. [43:04] It had to do with their sin. [43:07] And in fact, this is... [43:08] So you know that when Amalek is attacked, Israel first warns another tribe that they're [43:15] coming. [43:16] Yes. [43:17] And says, get out of here. [43:18] When they came out of Egypt. [43:19] Right. [43:20] Amalek battled them when they came out of Egypt. [43:21] Yes. [43:22] This is this other tribe. [43:23] You guys get out of here. [43:24] They warn them, right? [43:25] Right. [43:26] They don't say, hey, you get to stay here. [43:27] They say, you've got to go. [43:28] Yeah. [43:29] But we're going to warn you first that we don't totally destroy you. [43:30] That's right. [43:31] Absolutely. [43:32] In other words, it does seem to be... [43:33] I mean, why is it that Israel are going into this land, the nation? [43:34] Why are they going into this land? [43:35] Because it was the land promised to them by God. [43:37] Why does it need to be cleansed? [43:38] Because there are people in that land who aren't supposed to be there. [43:40] Deuteronomy chapter seven, chapter nine, he says, do not think that it is because of [43:43] your righteousness or because of anything that has to do with you that I brought you [43:47] into this land. [43:48] But it was because of the sins of the nations that I gave it to you. [43:51] This is Deuteronomy chapter nine. [43:53] So it's not because he promised them based on some sort of ethnic requisite. [43:57] He, in fact, the whole premise behind the destruction was the prototype of Sodom and [44:03] Gomorrah. [44:04] Yeah. [44:05] So then a question which I think... [44:06] Or a deuterotype, because Noah was first. [44:07] A question which I think I know the answer to then. [44:08] Do you think there was not one sort of good purpose? [44:10] No. [44:11] Exactly. [44:12] And that's the point. [44:13] Right. [44:14] And if that's the case... [44:15] That's why I brought up Sodom. [44:16] Let me ask you a second question. [44:17] Well, hold on. [44:18] Let me answer your question a little bit more fully. [44:19] Were there any good people in Israel, in the nation of Israel? [44:20] Right. [44:21] So let me answer your question one by one. [44:22] Because if the answer is that there were bad people in Israel too, why is it that they [44:23] don't get killed as well? [44:24] So this goes back to the... [44:25] The slaughter of the children has... [44:26] If it's not about nation... [44:27] The slaughter of the children has the same problem. [44:28] Because it has to do with innocence. [44:29] Okay. [44:30] So let me address that problem. [44:31] Nobody's innocent. [44:32] But my specific question is... [44:33] But you're saying the children in the land of Canaan are innocent, and they're [44:35] being slaughtered. [44:36] No, I'm not... [44:37] That's not what I'm saying right now. [44:38] You said that earlier. [44:39] What I'm saying is that... [44:40] I retracted the word innocent because I know it can be a bit tricky. [44:41] Okay. [44:42] But what I'm saying specifically here is that if the reason why Canaan is destroyed [44:46] is because they're immoral, there's all kinds of immorality happening within the Israelite [44:50] nation. [44:51] Right. [44:52] Perfect. [44:53] Okay. [44:54] Hold on. [44:55] Yes. [44:56] Happening within the Israelite nation as well. [44:57] If it's not about nation, if it's not about tribe, then why is it that Israel aren't told [44:58] to kill the immoral people in their tribe... [44:59] They are. [45:00] ...but only people in the other tribe? [45:01] No, no. [45:02] The entire generation that was promised the Promised Land died out without seeing the [45:05] Promised Land because of their sin. [45:07] But not at the hand of the Israelites. [45:09] Okay, fine. [45:10] But... [45:11] The Israelites are not told to expunge their own nation of the sinful people by killing [45:14] them. [45:15] Let me give you an other... [45:16] And killing their children. [45:17] Let me give you a thought experiment. [45:18] And killing their animals. [45:19] Sure. [45:20] You want to kill the animals. [45:21] Let me give you a thought... [45:22] Yeah, perfect. [45:23] I'll give you a thought experiment. [45:24] Let's suppose that tomorrow we find out that the pedophilia rings that conspiracy theory [45:26] is somehow true. [45:28] Just imagine like V for Vendetta style. [45:31] Imagine like hackers just broadcast everything that was going on. [45:36] All the blackmail tapes, the Diddy files, the Epstein, whatever. [45:39] Okay, you get the point. [45:40] So you have this sudden revelation of this grand conspiracy and it's on a scale that [45:46] no one ever imagined. [45:47] Okay, would you say that there is justice in bringing those people... [45:51] Obviously no one would disagree. [45:52] In fact, the public opinion on execution might change at that point and even the guillotine [45:56] might come back. [45:57] Who knows? [45:58] Right. [45:59] But I wouldn't kill that children. [46:00] No, right. [46:01] Okay, so I'm getting there. [46:01] Let's start with the men and the women. [46:02] So let's suppose in this example the conspiracy theory is true and everybody finds out and [46:07] then everybody agrees that the men and the women that were involved in this pedophilia [46:11] ring, let's say, need to be judged. [46:14] Okay, someone has to do it. [46:15] We have no problem executing them. [46:17] We have the benefit of technology that gives us a bit of indirectness. [46:20] But if you didn't have that, you would have to either do it yourself or have your executioner [46:23] do it. [46:24] But we're talking here about military execution of noncombatants, which is a war crime. [46:27] Right. [46:28] So no, no, no. [46:29] It's a war crime according to... [46:30] Yeah. [46:31] It's a law. [46:32] It's a science. [46:33] You've been voted out by the majority. [46:34] My final claim is that Donald Trump's plan for Gaza is ethnic cleansing. [46:38] Oh, wow. [46:41] Great. [46:42] Hello, sir. [46:43] Welcome back. [46:44] All right. [46:45] So I agree that Trump wants to do a cleansing, but not an ethnic one because that area requires [46:51] a lot of cleansing because when you have a population that was taught from early childhood [46:56] age to hate Jews, Christians and pagans, you need some serious reeducation. [47:01] Number one, that's not true. [47:02] Number two, that's not what he's proposing. [47:03] Well, I mean, most Palestinians. [47:04] Most Palestinians, by polling number, do support Hamas. [47:07] They support resisting Israel. [47:09] Well, I mean, the thing is, you know, what did they do in the first place that they're [47:14] in this what you call open air prison? [47:17] Great question. [47:18] What did they do to deserve being occupied? [47:19] Well, here's the thing, because the Islamic Republic in Iran is using them as a tool. [47:24] What is Iran got to do with this? [47:25] As a tool for their Islamic expansion. [47:28] When did the Islamic... [47:29] Because they don't... [47:30] Hold on, hold on. [47:31] When did the Islamic Republic of Iran... [47:32] You're Iranian American, I believe. [47:33] Yes. [47:34] Yes, I am. [47:35] Yes, I am. [47:36] 1979. [47:37] When was Gaza occupied by Israel? [47:38] 19... [47:39] Well, the very first time... [47:40] 67. [47:41] 67. [47:42] Yeah. [47:43] So can we do the math together? [47:44] 12 years before the Islamic Republic of Iran existed, Israel was oppressing, occupying, [47:48] dispossessing the people of Gaza. [47:50] So your argument makes no sense. [47:51] And were there any terrorist organizations at the time? [47:53] The PLO was considered a terrorist organization by the entire Western world. [47:56] All right. [47:57] So what's Hamas there? [47:58] Hamas did not exist until the 1980s. [47:59] Exactly. [48:00] My point is, after the Islamic Republic came, it became chaotic. [48:04] Okay. [48:05] And the Islamic Republic has started to use the so-called innocent Palestinians for their [48:09] own ends. [48:10] So-called innocent Palestinians? [48:11] You don't think Palestinians are innocent? [48:12] Not all of them. [48:13] Because... [48:14] But what about the 17,000 children who were killed? [48:15] Look, you know, they're doing the same... [48:17] 17,000 children were killed. [48:18] Were they not innocent? [48:19] Who... [48:20] Were they not innocent? [48:21] Who's responsible for that? [48:22] Israel. [48:23] Who dropped the bombs on them. [48:24] No, Hamas is responsible. [48:25] Hamas is responsible for hiding in hospitals and banking tunnels underneath those hospitals. [48:28] So when children are shot in the head by Israeli snipers, Israeli snipers aren't responsible [48:32] for that? [48:33] Look... [48:34] It's a simple question. [48:35] When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in Gaza in the head, as eyewitness testimony [48:39] and doctor's testimony proves, that's not the fault of the Israeli snipers. [48:43] This is the problem. [48:44] Because when you have a problem... [48:45] The problem is you won't answer the question. [48:46] I'll ask you a third time. [48:47] When Israeli snipers shoot Palestinian children in the head, is that not the fault of Israeli [48:50] snipers? [48:51] Well, you gotta let me finish. [48:52] No, you gotta answer the question. [48:53] Fourth time. [48:54] When Israeli snipers... [48:55] I will get to your answer. [48:56] ...shoot Palestinian children in the head... [48:57] I will get to your answer. [48:58] We're running out of time. [48:59] I need to know what you think about innocent children. [49:00] Because I will get to your... [49:01] Because what you said was pretty outrageous. [49:02] You said so-called innocent Palestinians. [49:03] For the fifth time, when Palestinian children are shot in the head by Israeli snipers, is [49:07] that not the fault of Israeli snipers? [49:08] What did those children do? [49:09] What did they do? [49:10] What did they do? [49:11] You tell me. [49:12] Did the children deserve to be shot in the head? [49:13] Because the problem is over there... [49:14] You know millions of people are watching you say... [49:15] They start... [49:16] ...justifying the killing of children. [49:17] ...the justifying the killing of children. [49:18] They start brainwashing children at a very young age. [49:20] Exactly. [49:21] So you support sniping children in Gaza? [49:23] Look... [49:24] Do other people here support sniping children in Gaza? [49:26] Is that a conservative position now? [49:29] What if they're wearing a suicide vest? [49:30] They weren't. [49:31] But what if they are? [49:32] They're not, though. [49:33] What if they are? [49:34] I have friends who went there. [49:35] Doctors went to Gaza. [49:36] American doctors. [49:37] They came back as if we were multiple children with gunshot shots. [49:38] What if they're hell-bent? [49:40] What if they're hell-bent... [49:41] What if they're not? [49:42] ...on killing you and your family? [49:43] A ten-year-old child? [49:44] An eight-year-old child? [49:45] A six-year-old child? [49:46] They're... [49:47] Because... [49:48] This is bad for you. [49:49] Like you said... [49:50] You're sitting on live television... [49:51] They're brainwashing them. [49:52] ...where [49:53] ...where [49:55] ...where millions of people are going to see your neighbors, your friends... [49:56] Because then millions of people... [49:57] ...you support the killing of children. [49:58] ...millions of people don't know what's going on. [49:59] Millions... [50:00] White genocide, sure, but don't... [50:01] ...advocate killing kids. [50:02] ...millions of people don't understand the brainwashing that is going on in Islamic Republic [50:06] and in Palestine to create this hatred. [50:08] You're obsessed with Iran so much that you're supporting the killing of Palestinian children [50:12] who never harmed you or any other Israeli. [50:14] That's insane. [50:15] Look... [50:16] And the fact that you support Trump's ethnic cleansing now doesn't surprise me. [50:18] I didn't say ethnic cleansing. [50:19] I said cleansing of the land. [50:21] All right, pause. [50:22] Because you need to cleanse the land from all the... [50:23] I'm sure... [50:24] I'm sure... [50:25] ...totals... [50:26] I'm sure Svoboda Milosevic said similar stuff. [50:27] Pause. [50:29] You've been voted out. [50:30] Please return to your seat. [50:30] That should be humanity's number one objective. [50:33] Hi, Brian. [50:37] My name is Chelsea Godds, and I sit across from you today. [50:41] I think I'm going to say the thing that a lot of people in this circle are thinking. [50:44] It's easy when you're rich to care about not dying. [50:48] Most people spend all day, every day also caring about not dying because they're living [50:52] paycheck to paycheck. [50:54] Sixty percent of Americans live paycheck to paycheck. [50:57] Being poor is the story of humanity across the whole globe. [51:03] I think... [51:04] I'm listening to a man who doesn't know what it's like, how he's going to make rent next [51:08] month, that to some of us it feels pretty strange to hear you tell us that we're not [51:14] focused on being alive. [51:15] I think every person here is struggling to be alive every single day. [51:20] I think most people in this country are struggling to be alive every single day. [51:25] And when they smoke a cigarette, it's not about whether they want to die. [51:28] It's about enjoying that moment. [51:30] I'm talking to a man who publicly... [51:32] ...has... [51:33] ...has said that you eat pureed food every day. [51:37] And you're telling me, a normal human being who is like everyone else, struggling financially [51:43] and whatnot, how I should be living my life. [51:45] And I think there's something that's really disconnected about that. [51:48] I also think that it's really false of you to claim that people are focusing their life [51:54] on dying when really all of us are focusing on surviving. [51:57] That's why we're here. [52:00] Every one of us is here today because we're surviving. [52:02] We don't go to McDonald's. [52:03] We don't go to McDonald's. [52:04] We don't go to McDonald's and think, oh, this is killing me. [52:06] We go to McDonald's because we don't have enough time in the day to make dinner. [52:10] Because we can't afford to go to the grocery store and buy a $20 steak. [52:13] Because we can't shop at Air One and get $40 of strawberries, you know? [52:17] So I think a lot of us are here wondering, what does you, a person who's rich, who doesn't [52:21] know what struggle is like, and who also talks about the fact that you use your own son's [52:25] blood, have to add to us as humanity? [52:29] Yeah. [52:30] Hi, Chelsea. [52:31] Hey. [52:32] Yeah. [52:33] I grew up with four other siblings, a single mom. [52:36] My mother made my clothes because we didn't have enough money for her to buy clothes for [52:40] me. [52:41] I went to school and I got made fun of because my clothes didn't fit and they were awkward. [52:45] I didn't have money my entire life. [52:47] I became an entrepreneur. [52:48] I struggled for 14 years with no money whatsoever. [52:51] So I understand what it feels like to have no money. [52:53] I know what it feels like to be poor. [52:55] So I've been through that. [52:56] I also was chronically depressed for 10 years. [52:59] I wanted to commit suicide, desperately. [53:01] I really would have committed suicide. [53:02] Had it not been for my third child. [53:04] I would have had three kids. [53:05] I felt like I had a responsibility to them. [53:06] So I understand struggle. [53:07] I understand pain. [53:08] I was 50 pounds overweight. [53:10] I was in a terrible shape. [53:12] And so I understand what it's like to be that way. [53:15] My argument is not to criticize you or anyone else. [53:18] What I'm arguing is that companies have built their products to make you addicted and to [53:24] make you ill. [53:26] That's the core thing I'm trying to say is that the most powerful economic engine in [53:30] all of history, the American economic engine. [53:33] Has pointed itself at creating addictive foods and phones and social media and porn and [53:41] junk food. [53:42] Do you not think that you're addicted to trying to stay alive? [53:44] Do you not think that that's an addiction? [53:45] Do you think not doing face fat, like fat injections in your face, constantly doing [53:49] plastic surgery? [53:50] Do you not see that as an addiction yourself? [53:51] No. [53:52] I view it as a pursuit and we're trying to figure out how if I change the name of my [53:57] addictions to a pursuit, then maybe you'll think that it's socially acceptable. [54:00] I think that we share something in common. [54:03] That neither one of us wants to die in this moment. [54:05] I mean, not today, but sometime hopefully. [54:08] You know, hopefully. [54:09] Yeah. [54:10] And I think that a lot of people would change their opinion and want to exist if the conditions [54:14] of society were not so brutal. [54:15] It's not fair for- What have you done to change those brutal conditions [54:18] in society? [54:19] You're a person who has literally hundreds of millions of dollars and you spend $2 million [54:22] every year trying to look younger. [54:24] And honestly, you look your age. [54:26] That's the reality. [54:27] And I'm not even the first person to say that. [54:29] So what are you doing to make humanity better? [54:31] Really? [54:32] And pursuing your own vanity? [54:34] Yeah. [54:35] Well, I share everything I learn from all the scientific evidence with everybody for [54:38] free. [54:39] But it's scientific evidence from your own body, right? [54:41] So the study isn't terribly useful to the general population because a black woman isn't [54:44] going to have the same biometrics as a 48-year-old white man. [54:48] So I mean, in some ways it's kind of a selfish pursuit that you're trying to make it seem [54:51] like it's altruistic. [54:53] I feel like that's the disingenuous part of this conversation is that you're coming at [54:56] it from an argument of altruism, but I see it, and I think a lot of people in this room [55:00] today see it as selfishness. [55:02] Yeah. [55:02] And greed to try and hold on to life as much as you can, so much so that you bragged about [55:07] using your teenage son's blood, which I have to tell you, history is not going to be kind [55:13] about that. [55:14] Nobody thinks about that woman in the Turkish royalty who bathed in handmaidens' blood and [55:19] has a positive feeling about that. [55:21] I don't think anyone is going to read about you in the future and be like, oh, wasn't [55:24] that great? [55:25] Wasn't that awesome that Brian Johnson used his own teenage son's blood to make himself [55:29] younger? [55:30] No one's going to feel that way. [55:31] So two things. [55:32] One is the evidence is based upon population-level evidence. [55:36] It's not on Brian Johnson. [55:37] It's not 48-year-old males. [55:38] It's population-level evidence, where you can make conclusions like seven to eight hours [55:42] a night of sleep is good for. [55:44] And that's something that rich people get to do and poor people don't get to do. [55:47] Do you think rich people are working overnight shifts? [55:49] They're not. [55:50] Yeah. [55:51] You need to give me a little space to respond. [55:52] Sure. [55:53] Of course. [55:54] Okay. [55:55] So you did the other thing you were saying about my son's blood. [55:56] So the reason that came about is my father is now in his early 70s. [55:59] He has cognitive decline. [56:01] He called me one day and he said, Brian. [56:02] He said, Brian, I'm suffering that I can't now complete basic work projects. [56:07] I'm losing my mind and I'm terrified. [56:09] I said, dad, my team and I are doing research on cognitive decline. [56:12] There's a new therapy of exchanging plasma. [56:14] If it would be helpful to you, I'd be happy to do this. [56:17] So I did the plasma exchange for my dad because he's losing his mind. [56:22] Now my son said, hey, Brian or dad, if you're doing this, I'm happy to do it too. [56:26] We'll make it a tri-generational thing. [56:27] It wasn't me and my son. [56:29] It was me doing it for my father. [56:32] So I filled a small world with his brother, I got it done. [56:34] So I am looking forward to it again. [56:35] I don't know. [56:36] It was kunungi for me. [56:37] And I'm looking forward to it for my brother. [56:38] That will take a little maybe a few months. [56:39] That's a good deal. [56:40] That's interesting. [56:41] I think we all have our own unique ways of Mike's mindset. [56:42] And I think I was struck once when I saw a couple actually hard of the text of one of [56:44] his [57:03] the conversations that were truly productive and that it's instructive for people to see the [57:08] distinction between a debate that's aimed at local victory and dominance let's say even of ideas and [57:15] a discussion that's predicated on mutual exploration and establishment of like a [57:20] harmonious understanding and peace i thought the cast was fantastic i really had a good time i [57:24] thought their perspectives were great i'm glad that i did this i think that at the very least [57:29] the topics that were brought up in the short time we had work as a incredibly effective [57:33] springboard for people to think about this kind of stuff this will hopefully be the [57:37] beginning of a fountain of useful information and content on those topics