About this transcript: This is a full AI-generated transcript of 1 MAGA Republican vs 20 Far-Left Democrats (ft Dave Rubin) — Surrounded from Jubilee, published June 13, 2026. The transcript contains 22,260 words with timestamps and was generated using Whisper AI.
"You're arguing that things economically were better under Joe Biden. At the end of his administration, absolutely. So can you give me an example of how? Yeah, GDP growth was better off. Real median wage growth was better off. Inflation was better off at the end of his administration. Unemployment..."
[0:00] You're arguing that things economically were better under Joe Biden.
[0:04] At the end of his administration, absolutely.
[0:05] So can you give me an example of how?
[0:07] Yeah, GDP growth was better off.
[0:08] Real median wage growth was better off.
[0:09] Inflation was better off at the end of his administration.
[0:11] Unemployment was better off at the end of his administration.
[0:13] We had the worst year of job growth in the past four years,
[0:15] just last year under Trump's administration.
[0:17] Was the Rubin Report, did that also accept Russian money?
[0:21] What show did I do for Russia?
[0:22] I'm not saying you did a show for Russia.
[0:24] I'm saying Russia saw you as a stooge who could easily say the talking points that benefited them.
[0:28] What law is stopping you from doing anything that another person cannot do?
[0:33] Laws are not protecting trans people.
[0:34] If they were, trans people would not be disproportionately unemployed, unhoused.
[0:38] What would you like the law to do for you?
[0:41] Again, the law can guarantee equality.
[0:45] It can't guarantee protection, right?
[0:48] Yes, it certainly can.
[0:48] So has wokeness pushed America past the breaking point?
[0:52] Or is the progressive movement the only answer to MAGA?
[0:55] I'm John Rigolato, and from Jubilee Media, this is Surrounded,
[0:59] where one brave soul faces a room full of disagreeers.
[1:02] Today, we're unpacking what it means to be far left,
[1:04] the backlash to wokeness,
[1:06] and what your vote stands for in the upcoming midterm election.
[1:10] I'm here with our featured guest, conservative commentator, Dave Rubin.
[1:14] Welcome.
[1:14] It's good to be here.
[1:16] Are you all ready to debate, Dave?
[1:18] Let's begin.
[1:20] I'm Dave Rubin of the Rubin Report, and today I'm surrounded by the far left.
[1:23] My first surrounded claim is that wokenism did more damage to America than Trump ever did.
[1:34] All right, if you would like to debate this claim, please get to the center in three, two, one.
[1:41] He's quick. He's quick.
[1:42] Yes, I am.
[1:43] So I find it interesting that you think wokenism has done so much damage to America as opposed to Donald Trump.
[1:49] Wokenism did not kick 17 million Americans off of their health insurance through Medicaid.
[1:53] Wokenism didn't start a disastrous war with Iran that has now led to inflation outpacing wage growth.
[1:58] Wokenism hasn't ripped up institutions or attempted even to destroy free speech, even by your standards,
[2:05] because Ronald Reagan-appointed judge ruled that the Trump administration was violating the First Amendment
[2:11] by attempting to deport, arrest, and detain students and faculty members on college campuses for protesting for Palestine.
[2:18] Wokenism, to me, doesn't even have remotely as disastrous as a track record as Donald Trump.
[2:25] Well, how would you define wokeism? I guess we should start with that.
[2:27] I think wokeism is a pejorative term that's used to describe left-wing cultural politics.
[2:31] Right. And what do you think left-wing cultural politics are?
[2:34] I'd say left-wing cultural politics include just the broad attitudes towards social justice,
[2:42] especially for minority groups that have faced persecution in various ways.
[2:46] Okay. So I think the simplest way to define wokeism is basically collectivism on steroids,
[2:52] and usually as it applies to race and gender, meaning that you should be judged based on the color,
[2:59] you actually should be judged based on the color of your skin and your sexuality and your gender
[3:03] and a whole bunch of immutable characteristics. And depending on where those fall,
[3:07] on the left's kind of hierarchy of importance, that's kind of how you can parse out where people
[3:12] should be and how important their ideas are. So even assuming your characterization to be an
[3:17] accurate characterization, which I don't necessarily take. Right. We're going to have a lot of trouble
[3:22] getting to a fair agreement on wokeism. Can you actually demonstrate that wokeism has, for example,
[3:25] skyrocketed inflation to outpace wage growth the way that Donald Trump's war of aggression on Iran has done?
[3:32] Can you demonstrate that wokeism has violated the First Amendment by arresting students and faculty members
[3:37] on college campuses? Okay. Well, yes, I can. So let's start. Well, first off,
[3:40] the disastrous war, the quote-unquote disastrous war that you're talking about. You're talking about
[3:44] a 40-day military operation that stopped an apocalyptic regime from getting a nuclear bomb
[3:50] and exporting terrorism throughout the world. And we're now in an economic embargo of them, right?
[3:57] We've basically done a blockade of the Strait of Hormuz. So to say it's a disastrous war,
[4:02] we did lose, hang on, hang on, we did lose 13 of our soldiers and that is terrible.
[4:08] Killed over 200 children. Terrible. But, well, things happen in war, right?
[4:12] Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, things do happen in war. Wait, you can laugh at that. Hold on. Hold on.
[4:17] Listen. You want to talk? No, I agree. I agree. But that's why war should be a last option.
[4:22] Well, war is the last. If Donald Trump wanted to prevent the Islamic Republic of Iran from obtaining
[4:27] a nuclear weapon, he could have just stuck with the Iran nuclear deal that he ripped up.
[4:31] Iran did not enrich past the 3.67%. Wait, they didn't enrich past the 3.67% agreed upon in the JCPOA.
[4:40] They only got to 60% after Donald Trump left that deal and then started doing aggressive actions.
[4:46] I must say, I'm impressed with your talking points. You got impressive talking points and you memorized
[4:50] them well. They're not correct, but I am impressed. First off, the Iranians admitted in the negotiations
[4:56] right before the war started that they were enriching past what they were allowed to. That's number one.
[5:02] Number two, you also have to go on the assumption. You also have to go on the assumption or acceptance
[5:12] that can you agree or verify their claims. It's one thing to say, oh, this is what we're doing.
[5:18] This is what we are agreed to, etc. But you have to be able to verify that. And the idea that we have
[5:22] people on the ground or the UN or some third party organization that can verify what they're
[5:27] actually doing with underground nuclear sites and a whole bunch of other things is, I would say,
[5:31] quite a leap of faith, right? You want to trust but verify. Can I respond to that? Sure. So the IAEA
[5:37] and U.S. intelligence said that Iran did not enrich past the 3.67% prior to Donald Trump ripping up
[5:45] and stepping out of the Iran nuclear deal in, I believe it was 2017, 2018, when he did that.
[5:50] So again, in these negotiations, in these negotiations, Steve...
[5:54] Because Donald Trump ripped up the Iran nuclear deal to begin with, that's the only reason why...
[5:58] Let's try it a different way. I'll try it a different way.
[6:01] The IAEA assessments agree with me. And Tulsi Gabbard, our Director of National Intelligence,
[6:06] testified in front of Congress last year. And according to the entire intelligence community,
[6:11] Iran did not have a nuclear weapons program. Okay. That they didn't have a nuclear weapons program?
[6:16] They were enriching past the point that they were allowed to for civilian use. Everyone knows that.
[6:21] But allow me... But do you understand the weaponization process is different than just the regime?
[6:25] Do you think the Iranian regime before this war, the Iranian regime that has oppressed the people of Iran for 40 years,
[6:31] do you think that was a good regime? Would you say that was a good government? Would you like to live under those people?
[6:35] Were they progressive in any way? Do they hold any of the values that any of you guys hold?
[6:39] No, but we don't just start wars on countries whose politics we disagree with or who are oppressive to their own people.
[6:46] We were actually an ally to Saudi Arabia and Mohammed bin Salman ripped up...
[6:51] That I agree with. You don't. You don't. You don't do that.
[6:53] Okay. We're also allies...
[6:55] We got something. All right. We got something.
[6:56] We got something we agree with.
[6:58] That has committed gross human rights violations in Gaza.
[7:01] I'm shocked that Israel came up. Israel, the only place that has any of the progressive values that any of you guys share.
[7:08] Really? Wait, this is actually... Wait, this is perfect. This is perfect.
[7:12] Because one of the things that you told me at the beginning of this conversation was that wokeism was judging people based on characteristics and collective thought.
[7:19] Israel is literally centered around the prioritization of the Jewish people as a matter of policy.
[7:27] That is literally collectivist thought.
[7:29] So you must hate Israel, too.
[7:31] You must think that that's the ultimate form of collective identity, right?
[7:37] How many Muslim countries are there?
[7:39] Okay, so you're just pivoting?
[7:40] No, no, no. I'm going to answer your question.
[7:42] Is Israel collectivist?
[7:43] How many Muslim countries are there?
[7:44] I'm sure there are a lot of Muslim countries.
[7:46] You have any idea?
[7:46] There are a lot more Muslims than Jews.
[7:49] Yeah. Well, just ballpark. How many Muslim countries are there?
[7:51] I would probably maybe say, like, let's say between 10 to 20, maybe.
[7:55] All right. You're off by about 40. There's about 52 or 53 Muslim countries.
[8:01] In any of those countries, how's it going for minorities, women, gays, Christians, Jews?
[8:06] Yeah. I can say that other nations, it's extraordinarily repressive.
[8:10] But like I said, we've got to pause there. You've been voted out by the majority.
[8:15] Okay.
[8:15] Please return to your seats.
[8:17] It's been fun.
[8:24] Oh, she had it. She had it. All right.
[8:25] Dave.
[8:26] All right. Hi.
[8:27] Good to meet you. I'm actually a big fan.
[8:28] I've been watching you since, like, all the way back in the Sam Harris era.
[8:31] Oh, yeah?
[8:32] And then I remember you brought on...
[8:33] Softening me up. Okay.
[8:33] No, you brought on, like, Stephen Mollihue, like, the white nationalist.
[8:37] And I was like, this guy just loves ideas.
[8:39] He just loves all different types of ideas. I love that.
[8:42] But yeah, just wanted to talk right now specifically about the difference between progressive values and the MAGA coalition.
[8:48] Sure.
[8:48] It seems to me that all of the ills that are attributed to wokeism are typically things that people find annoying.
[8:54] So people being overly, you know, police-y about their pronoun usage or talking about specific groups that might seem extremely marginalized.
[9:01] That's what I typically hear from the right.
[9:03] I don't hear, like, a degradation of, like, society unless it's the far theocratic right.
[9:07] And I don't think that you ascribe to that. Would you call yourself a theocrat?
[9:10] I mean, I wrote the best-selling book on classical liberalism.
[9:13] So it's funny. I get called a conservative all the time.
[9:15] I actually happen to be a liberal in the truest sense of liberal.
[9:20] You should join the circle.
[9:21] Well, progressives are not liberal as a general rule of thought.
[9:25] Yeah, for me, I just feel like that type of, like, annoyance that wokeism presents to the world is a lot less dangerous than, like, I don't know,
[9:32] the coalition that you're a part of that, like, condemns people for having children when they're in gay marriages
[9:36] or says things like, you know, people that are of particular sexual orientations don't deserve the same equal rights.
[9:43] Would you say that that's something that's dangerous?
[9:44] Well, a coalition is going to have all sorts of people in it.
[9:48] So it's like MAGA, if we were talking about-
[9:49] Ideological diversity, right?
[9:50] Yeah. If we were talking about what MAGA is, what I like about MAGA, actually,
[9:54] is that it's not a specific set of you have to believe this exact set, right?
[9:59] Right.
[9:59] You have to believe these exact things.
[10:00] So some people in MAGA can believe, like, gay couples can have kids,
[10:03] and others can believe, like, that's degeneracy and those people need to be jailed.
[10:06] Well-
[10:07] Those are, like, the difference of ideas that we're talking about?
[10:08] Well, actually, the tough answer to that is yes.
[10:10] Oh.
[10:11] As long as you're not trying to litigate someone's life.
[10:14] I am around a lot of conservatives all the time, and particularly Christian conservatives, let's say.
[10:20] They generally are not for gay marriage.
[10:22] By the way, there's not one mosque in the United States that performs gay marriages, which is worth noting.
[10:26] Why are you so focused on Muslims today?
[10:28] Well, I'm just giving you a fact.
[10:32] But what I have found consistently, you know, Donald Trump was the first incoming first-time president that was for gay marriage.
[10:38] I actually really want to talk about that.
[10:39] Barack Obama was not for gay marriage when he first came in.
[10:42] And not until 2013.
[10:43] So what I would say is the MAGA movement, I mean, look, Scott Besson, who's the Treasury Secretary, is married to a man and has kids.
[10:50] Peter Thiel is married to a man and has kids.
[10:52] Douglas Murray is one of the greatest voices we have in conservatism, happens to be gay.
[10:56] I don't, for the most part, people on the right actually believe in individual rights and don't really care.
[11:03] But that doesn't mean-
[11:04] See, that's where you lost me, though, because-
[11:05] That doesn't mean that everyone has to have the same religious perspective on everything.
[11:08] But you've been around the block for a long time.
[11:10] And just like you alluded to, in 2016, Trump held up a flag that said LGBTQ for Trump.
[11:14] He was asked in a CBS interview, would you let Caitlyn Jenner use the bathroom that she wants to in your hotels?
[11:19] He said absolutely.
[11:20] He didn't have a problem with that.
[11:21] He actually gave a better answer than that.
[11:22] He said, I'm a hotel builder.
[11:24] If you told me I had to build one bathroom, that would be fine with me.
[11:26] I think it's a great answer.
[11:27] But that's what's crazy is that evolution has changed so much to the current MAGA movement.
[11:31] The MAGA movement-
[11:31] How do you see that?
[11:32] Donald Trump would absolutely not say that somebody could use the bathroom aligned with
[11:36] their gender identity.
[11:37] He specifically banned that.
[11:39] And not just that, but he's also just called for, he specifically wrote an executive order
[11:43] that classifies far leftist groups, like pro-transgender groups, as a danger to the country.
[11:48] Right.
[11:49] Which often the entire military can go after.
[11:52] That is insane.
[11:53] That is absolutely a violation of people's individual rights.
[11:55] All right, so you want to talk about the trans issue sort of broadly, I sense, right?
[11:58] I just, I want to talk about the MAGA coalition that claims to be pro-individual liberty,
[12:02] yet wants to police the way that people express themselves.
[12:04] But what are they doing?
[12:05] That also wants to police people's bodies, that want to go after people specifically because
[12:09] of their ethnicity.
[12:09] Right.
[12:09] None of that should be followed.
[12:10] Okay, so Donald Trump is in the middle of his second term.
[12:13] Gay marriage is here.
[12:14] It's passed.
[12:14] It's a just cause.
[12:15] I believe in individual rights.
[12:17] Wait, wait.
[12:17] You're friends with Michael Knowles, right?
[12:18] Yeah.
[12:19] Yeah, so what's that coalition again called?
[12:21] I think it's like less equal that's trying to actually get rid of Obergefell and overturn
[12:25] gay marriage rights.
[12:26] Does that not concern you?
[12:27] Well, first off, I've never heard of that specific organization, but what I can tell you.
[12:31] You're friends with them.
[12:33] Michael is part of, I just don't know what you're talking about.
[12:35] But what I would say is.
[12:37] You can look it up right now.
[12:37] It's called Less Than.
[12:37] No.
[12:38] And it's Lila Rose, Michael Knowles.
[12:39] I think it's, what's that guy's name at the Daily Wire, the head one?
[12:42] Okay, but that's not Donald Trump.
[12:44] I understand that you want to go away from this topic.
[12:45] No, no, no, that's not Donald Trump.
[12:47] That's not the head of the party.
[12:48] I have friends.
[12:49] Well, first off, Michael and I are friends, but there is a cap on our friendship.
[12:52] There actually is.
[12:53] He's friends with someone who doesn't want you to be in love with my man.
[12:55] He doesn't want me to be in love?
[12:56] He's had dinner at my house with his wife.
[12:58] My husband cooked for him.
[13:00] That's against God.
[13:01] So I want to have a word with him.
[13:02] No, no, no.
[13:03] But think about what you're saying.
[13:04] No, no, no.
[13:05] Think about what I'm saying.
[13:06] But what I want to say is.
[13:06] In your name.
[13:07] Wait, wait, wait.
[13:07] Hold on, champ.
[13:08] Hold on, champ.
[13:09] You know, in your world of how tolerant you are showing me you are, you're actually showing
[13:13] a remarkable amount of intolerance.
[13:15] Because although I don't know the group that you're talking about, Michael Knowles, as a human
[13:19] being, has been to my house and my husband has cooked him lamb and we have enjoyed evenings
[13:25] together and shared personal moments and all of those things.
[13:28] Now, do we agree on absolutely everything?
[13:32] Of course, the answer to that is no.
[13:33] And if Michael was, Michael or anyone else was trying to lead some organization that was
[13:39] going to go against my civil rights.
[13:41] Well, that is where obviously we would have our difference of opinion, of course.
[13:45] But I also respect people's religious beliefs.
[13:50] They're allowed to have their religious beliefs.
[13:52] Their religious beliefs are not allowed to legislate my life.
[13:56] This is all very separate from the trans thing, which obviously I sense is going to come up
[13:59] a few more times.
[14:00] I'll just say real quick, like I'm not trying to come after you.
[14:03] I believe that you should have the full liberty to have the family of your choice.
[14:06] But what I will say is I'm glad Michael treats you with respect individually when you guys
[14:10] are together, but when he goes in front of his platform and says that a video of two
[14:14] gay men having a child is the most disgusting thing that he's ever seen, which is a quote.
[14:18] You can look up the tweet.
[14:19] Michael said that that child is in one of the most dangerous situations he can think of,
[14:23] which is crazy to think of all the abusive parents that actually live in this society,
[14:26] regardless of sexual orientation.
[14:28] And you're going to look at a happy family and say, this is disgusting.
[14:31] That should feel like a violation.
[14:32] Okay, so I didn't see that video.
[14:34] But if what you're asking me is if do I agree with, let's just say what you said is true.
[14:39] Do I agree with Michael's point on that?
[14:42] Of course the answer is no.
[14:44] But that is the MAGA coalition Dave.
[14:46] No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
[14:47] That is the ideology in which...
[14:48] No, no, that's not the coalition.
[14:49] That is.
[14:50] No, that's not the coalition.
[14:51] That is what the administration is pushing towards.
[14:51] No, you're taking a very specific person and you're saying...
[14:54] Is it a small specific?
[14:55] Oh, absolutely.
[14:56] Is it a French?
[14:56] No, it is not.
[14:57] Yes.
[14:57] Oh, it is.
[14:57] It is a majority.
[14:58] No, that's completely absurd.
[15:00] That's completely absurd.
[15:01] It's completely absurd.
[15:02] We got a pause there.
[15:03] You've been voted out by the majority.
[15:04] Give me two.
[15:05] All right.
[15:11] Good grab.
[15:12] want to go to your prompt in a second but i just wanted to address so i actually come from a
[15:15] christian background i spend a lot of my career debating christian nationalists and even the
[15:19] nicest christian nationalists they do want to take your rights i spend a lot of time talking to these
[15:25] people even the really nice ones so i just want to be careful and i guess i want to say like i
[15:29] remember when you posted about having your kids yeah on twitter which congratulations yeah thanks
[15:34] um the comments were horrifying i don't know if you remember but it was christian nationalists
[15:41] and republicans tearing you and your husband down for having a child well you should also know there
[15:46] was a lot of love there was an awful lot of love from an awful lot of conservatives and liberals and
[15:50] people across the board and everything else the way the internet operates is people only focus
[15:55] on the negative so was there a whole bunch of nasty which side was there a whole bunch of nasty yes
[16:01] let's be honest let's just be honest which side for that if you're asking me about for that specific
[16:07] post it was no for that specific post it was mostly people on the right for sure
[16:11] it was who were attacking him yeah i i fully acknowledge that absolutely 99 of the hate that
[16:17] i get is from people that are in this circle sure it's definitely not for being gay what no no
[16:23] well we're supporting no no no no no no no no it's for supporting it's not for being gay like the
[16:28] act authoritarian desiring probably demented old man so going back to the prompt of wokeism it seems like
[16:36] you defined it as intersectionality um some collectivization based on yeah yeah yeah we
[16:43] could basically so wokeism is intersectionality it is a p well internet intersectionality is a piece
[16:49] of wokeism if you're going to group people on these immutable characteristics and then you decide
[16:53] based on this we got to put black people up here we've got to put white guys down here gays are
[16:58] going to be of the straights trans will be above the gays you know you have this endless hierarchy
[17:02] policy harms have happened i mean quite literally the easiest one would be college admissions i mean
[17:08] we know that harvard and other colleges were discriminating against mostly white and asian
[17:14] students because they were there they wanted more diversity and they were allowing students of color
[17:20] with lesser grades to get in i as a general rule i worried about universities who's cutting their
[17:27] funding well hold on do you agree do you agree do you agree that that happened uh to some degree i
[17:32] think it was overblown to a large degree affirmative action basically ended i think in the early 2000s
[17:37] right a lot of these issues were clamped down on pretty quickly and the issue is that when you look
[17:41] at the reason well corporate i mean you could look at corporations i mean all these corporations that
[17:45] have their dei stickers i was just on a delta flight they still have their dei sticker on there
[17:50] dei is not inherently a bad thing but why would diversity ever be a problem for anyone well diversity
[17:55] in and of itself is not a problem but if you say we are going about inclusion we are going to hire
[18:00] people and we are going to factor in all of these immutable characteristics inherently by saying we're
[18:04] going to elevate one group of people you are going to have to discriminate against another group do you
[18:09] have a diverse that actually is racism do you have a bigotry unique experience based on your gayness
[18:14] that other people will never have i'm sorry does your gayness give you insight into certain
[18:20] experiences that other people simply will not have because they're not gay well i suppose as a gay
[18:24] person i do have experiences that some people don't have and you probably have knowledge that
[18:28] was funny experience i did get that i mean lots of people do all causes crazy sex yeah yeah but the
[18:34] issue is that what we're talking about here when we come to diversity but i wouldn't want that of
[18:38] anything i wouldn't want that to have anything to do with me being hired sure but it's really hard
[18:42] to compare so sir let's say i grant you all of the woke harms yeah the issue is that it didn't take
[18:47] us to iran it didn't kill school girls it didn't uh right now crush with the fcc and kick multiple
[18:53] people off uh off of air and threatened to pull things it's not burning books in florida who's
[18:58] been kicked off air jimmy kimmel got kicked off of air abc was regularly under threat for uh doing
[19:03] these things the fcc president the fcc president came out after jimmy called him and said that we
[19:09] can't have these type of things they crushed james tallarico but this has happened over and over again
[19:15] james tallarico is the nominee right now they crushed his appearance what do you mean they crushed the
[19:20] fcc wouldn't allow his appearance i don't know what you're talking about i have literally no
[19:24] idea we gotta pause there i think you're talking about colbert's show but um you've been voted out
[19:29] by the majority okay you guys are slow bro how's it going quick how you doing how you doing so
[19:39] i just quickly wanted to recognize i love this by the way you have a very unconventional household
[19:44] and wokeism has brought you that household right to be have to live with your husband to have your two
[19:48] children who are conceived through surrogacy and i appreciate wokeism didn't bring that equal rights
[19:52] equal rights so wokeism is as i define it as i do it personally is looking to expand on already
[19:58] existing um civil liberties right to ensure that hold on to ensure america practices what it preaches
[20:04] equal protections inclusion of everybody democracy etc so it's not a policy prescription it's a social
[20:10] prescription donald trump is president he's the head of the executive branch he has a trifecta
[20:15] a judiciary that's on his side donald trump's violent donald trump's destroying the pillars of america
[20:21] democracy negative rights the rule of law our constitution the list goes on and on so i'm just
[20:27] curious to see what institutional damage has wokeism done and sure if you want to engage with trump
[20:32] being violent yeah yeah well i mean i just don't agree with anything you said there period first of
[20:37] wokeism wokeism isn't what led to say gay marriage what led to gay marriage is a fight for equality
[20:44] under the law if you believe that heterosexual marriage that an adult should be able to engage in
[20:50] any sort of contract with another adult then that has to be equal that's what equal protection which
[20:54] you just mentioned is and that's actually what the decision was based on yeah so that was not wokeism
[21:00] that was the promise of america which is the promise of individual rights and equal opportunity
[21:05] uh as for a few of the other things that you said there again i mean if we could do that you want
[21:09] to do the aram thing again no i said donald trump is violent yeah so donald trump is violent in in what
[21:14] sense yeah so i also want to mention you the reason why you left the left correct me if i'm wrong is
[21:19] because you believe progressives were turning to authoritarianism am i am i correct there i mean
[21:23] there was that was your previous video you said you can't deny it settle down chip there was a
[21:27] panoply of reasons that i did that's one of them correct yeah do you think it's authoritarian for
[21:31] the president of the united states to call for the death of six active members of the legislature for
[21:35] making a video that is totally fine and legal it's interesting oh well first off you're talking about
[21:40] the video where they basically mark kelly and several of these guys were basically saying if you're in the
[21:44] military you can uh you can go against you know trump and all those things well first off there are some
[21:49] legal actual reasons that perhaps you should not as a former member of the military be telling yeah
[21:55] the punishment for making videos is death i forgot i'm sorry did anyone hang on george washington
[21:59] wood did anyone get put to death did it does it matter the president of the united states is actively
[22:04] calling for the death of members of the legislature is anyone are you okay with that you're missing the
[22:10] difference no you're saying donald trump okay no no hold on let's just understand the prompt here
[22:14] you said wokeism has done more damage than donald trump ever did so so can you tell me a single
[22:19] time wokeism is doing something remotely similar so remotely similar okay as donald you want damage
[22:25] being slightly you want damage i can give you damage let me explain i can give you the damage
[22:31] let me explain something to you donald trump all you need to know about for any one of you guys that
[22:34] think that donald trump's coming for you because you're gay or you're trans or something like that or
[22:39] you're black or anything else might i recommend you just read art of the deal which donald trump
[22:44] wrote about 40 years ago it's terrible he's just discussing his activities but you can dismiss it
[22:49] you can dismiss it but donald trump gave you his playbook 40 plus years ago 40 plus years ago he
[22:55] gave you the playbook on how he negotiates he leads with crazy irrelevant to what i'm currently
[22:59] talking about no it's completely you asked me about damage i can give you examples but you don't
[23:02] want them because you know you're gonna get fried no no no no that isn't true it's completely
[23:06] you tried to rewrite the constitution the executive order with executive order one four one six zero
[23:11] and it was followed up by one four one six zero one where they use this to target individuals for
[23:17] pro-palestinian speech like mahmoud khalil and this is already ruled upon by the way all right i'm sure
[23:21] you know about this correct okay first you try to rewrite the constitution be executive order can
[23:25] the president do that there is a different president do that hold on there is a difference between
[23:28] exercising free speech there's a difference between exercising free speech and closing down a campus and not
[23:34] letting students get you're an interesting character yeah yeah yeah no you seem nice um
[23:40] there's a difference between exercising free speech which i will always defend your free
[23:44] speech no matter how noxious it is the president closing and closing down the president no they
[23:49] weren't no mahmoud khalil and all of these masks he was almost deported with no cause and it's
[23:54] literally in the in the documents of the case well first off marco has illustrated the point many many
[23:58] times if you're here on a green card or a student visa or anything else you don't you don't
[24:02] have the exact same protections that you don't you don't congress shall make no law what no yeah
[24:09] what's for people for people that are citizens of the united states of america what's the president
[24:14] wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute nothing so donald trump tried to sign an executive order
[24:19] rewriting the birthright citizenship clause of the 14th amendment where to get this power let me ask you
[24:24] saying do you think is it is it authoritarian let me ask on a self-granted authority hold on hold on
[24:29] is it can you answer my question hold on you're not going to yeah i gotta let me chat here for a sec
[24:33] listen listen listen dave talk let me ask you something let's try it this way so let's say you
[24:36] and your girlfriend went on vacation bora bora you show up to most beautiful place on earth and she's
[24:41] seven months pregnant and she then gives birth in bora bora you think your child should be a citizen of
[24:46] french polynesia bora bora and you think and you think that just solely principle and i'm sorry the
[24:50] president cannot defy because he doesn't like it that's how our country works no that is an example
[24:55] of damage to america fight it in the courts you can fight it in the courts he doesn't like the
[24:59] courts he ignores them prior to the alien enemies act removals emil beauvais we're out of time we got
[25:03] to stop there okay got you my next surrounded claim is if you still vote for democrats in 2026
[25:09] you're voting for broken cities broken schools and broken borders if you would like to debate this
[25:13] claim get to the chair in three two one hey how are you santana so uh can you
[25:25] explain a little bit about what you mean broken cities broken schools broken borders sure well
[25:30] broken cities i would basically you can boil it down to crime and drug use and i can tell you having
[25:35] been in here in los angeles for the last 36 hours i have seen more homeless people more drug use um more
[25:43] urban decay than i've seen in the last five years combined living living in florida florida yeah in
[25:50] terms of schools it's basically brainwashing kids and teaching them what to think instead of teaching
[25:55] them how to think uh and then what was the third one in terms of well borders is the easiest one i mean
[26:00] under the biden administration we let in somewhere we don't even know what the actual number is but
[26:05] somewhere between 16 to 20 million illegals if donald trump did quite literally nothing else in his
[26:12] presidency just getting control of the border i would say would be good enough because you don't have a
[26:17] country if you don't know who is in it okay all three of your claims are wrong pick which one you
[26:21] want to be proved wrong on let's do borders perfect okay donald trump is absolutely the worst
[26:28] president on the border first and foremost you can talk about the langford bill which was a piece
[26:31] of legislation which would have strengthened our borders but donald trump had that legislation
[26:35] shot down wait wait wait so were the borders open under obama let's or under biden let's try let's
[26:41] try that the borders were not open what piece of legislation did he pass to open the borders no it's not
[26:46] about a piece of legislation it's about quite literally open borders without legislation you
[26:50] just let people through which is exactly what there was no one standing at the borders everybody just
[26:54] come right in in many cases yes actually in many in many cases they were quite literally moving barbed
[26:59] wire fence where did you get this information there there are videos of it have you ever seen the video
[27:05] have you ever seen the video of bobby kennedy when he was running as a democrat standing at the
[27:09] border he was still a democrat wait you're talking about the same one that sniffed coke off a toilet
[27:14] seat and admitted it recently wait the same one that actually took a dead bear and dropped it in
[27:18] central park the same one that actually chopped the head off a whale you're citing rfk jr yes i am
[27:24] saying rfk jr no no no i don't hear who's running hhs right now which he shouldn't be but that's fine
[27:29] listen when you talk about how many people do you think came in under biden let's see if we're even
[27:33] operating on the same plane the acceptable number is about 10 million okay so you okay all right fair
[27:37] enough so i'll grant you that they say it could be anywhere i think i've heard 16 to 20 million but let's
[27:41] say it's 10. do you think that's good or fair or just or how a country can operate i think that when
[27:47] you create instability throughout the world and then you also tell people that your country's open
[27:51] then you create an actual quote-unquote border crisis so so what what instability was joe by
[27:56] was joe biden what was what was barack obama's nickname barry deporter in chief barack obama had
[28:03] a negative immigration rate that means that he deported more people than he let into the country
[28:08] so you're so you're for deportation so we can say that there wasn't a border crisis under um obama
[28:12] right the border crisis was significantly worse under under biden but but under obama was there a
[28:17] crisis biden barack obama did yes or no barack obama no barack obama did deport i think more
[28:24] people than donald trump i wish donald trump was supporting more people i agree so you're saying
[28:29] there was a crisis under biden yes okay of course but no crisis under obama no i didn't say that
[28:34] he was deporting yes or no yes wait hold on we can let's do let's do i had a negative
[28:40] deportation rate let's do biden and trump let's do the last two administrations yes or no i am for
[28:48] anyone that will close borders i'll say no i'll say no okay okay so if there wasn't a crisis under obama
[28:54] and there was a crisis under biden what happened in between those two administrations was there
[28:59] something that happened wait are you blaming donald trump for for joe biden's border what i'm blaming
[29:05] donald trump for is when he's actually campaigning for president and he's going around and to any news
[29:10] organization that will let him speak and telling everyone that the borders open they're wide open
[29:15] come on in come on in and he actually created something that wasn't there so when wait you're
[29:21] blaming people coming to this country illegally you're blaming donald trump donald trump who really
[29:26] only appeared because of borders right build there wasn't a border issue that's what there wasn't a
[29:31] border issue when he said that right but then when there was no no no we've always had a poor we've
[29:36] always had a completely porous border that that we had a negative deportation rate under obama he
[29:41] created the actual desire for people to come here because he told the lie that the borders was open
[29:46] wait a minute but why but if america if america's if america's a racist evil capitalist country why would
[29:51] these people want to come here because it's still better than the country because america's is pretty
[29:57] good stabilizing other countries so cia yeah our cia keeps destabilizing other countries so who did
[30:04] we're doing that right now wait so who did barack obama destabilize that then donald trump allowed into
[30:09] the country the the point being is our country has a history of destabilization that doesn't matter if
[30:14] it's left or right so who did well i'm just playing your game here so wait i'm just playing your game
[30:20] app created the need for people to come here and there was no crisis then donald trump not only
[30:26] created it but he didn't handle it i'm sorry man nothing nothing you're saying is making sense here
[30:33] what what what country did barack obama destabilize that caused people to come here under
[30:38] donald trump i guess you'll never know you've been voted out okay hey how are you hello um my name is
[30:54] maybe nice to meet you dave good to meet you uh so i myself am a democrat i'm actually running for
[30:58] state senate here in california okay i would argue that i am about as far left as you can get as a
[31:04] democrats okay and i'm critical of the democratic party because i actually don't think they're left
[31:08] enough if we're going to talk about broken cities uh here we are in los angeles los angeles is not a
[31:13] broken city i live here i feel safe walking down the street uh as an openly trans non-binary person
[31:19] as somebody who does drag this is not a broken city it is unaffordable in many ways but that is
[31:25] the case across the rest of the united states and if we're going to talk about broken cities we actually
[31:30] need to talk about broken states uh eight out of the ten poorest states in the united states are
[31:36] republican controlled and the majority of states that are the wealthiest states are democratically
[31:41] controlled and these are actually donor states to republican states and the irony is that republicans
[31:48] are against welfare except when it comes to funding their states okay well first off first of all i
[31:54] would say i'm very glad that as a trans person you feel safe here you should feel safe and i treat
[31:58] anyone that treats me with respect you're going to get respect out of me so i appreciate that and
[32:02] i'm glad to hear it i assume you've been to west hollywood right i have i used to live in west
[32:05] hollywood pretty close to the abbey uh and i left about six i well i moved to the valley before that but
[32:11] i lived there for about six years and the six years that i lived there from about 2013 to 2019
[32:17] it was pretty clean and it was pretty safe and there weren't drug addicts and homeless people
[32:21] all over the place i spent the last two days there in west hollywood that's the the hotel i'm staying
[32:26] at is there there are drug addicts and homeless people everywhere everywhere you would acknowledge
[32:31] that is the case yeah i would acknowledge that but i would also acknowledge that there are plenty
[32:35] of housed people who are also drug addicts and they never seem to be the problem it's only when
[32:39] they're existing in poverty abject poverty outside that you have to witness it that it becomes a problem
[32:44] the issue is not that these people are dangerous the mythology around people experiencing homelessness
[32:49] is that they are dangerous the reality is that unhoused people are more likely to be victims
[32:54] of violent crime than perpetrators all right so listen i can i can actually get on board some of
[32:58] what you're saying here now there's a couple issues here because one one of them is not just about
[33:02] violence if you are going to create the conditions the economic conditions or whatever you want to call it
[33:07] that's going to allow for these people to be out on the streets would you want to walk a baby in a
[33:12] carriage down that block as these people are there i don't think i wait i wait because i don't i i have
[33:17] i don't know the last time i've heard of an unhoused person attacking a baby and these you know what i
[33:23] i would say i would say if you know it's not fear-mongering if you if you were a young mother
[33:27] and you were pushing a carriage and there were a bunch of people who clearly were on well now they
[33:31] have super meth or whatever it is but but it is real it is a real thing it is a real thing that are on
[33:37] any of these drugs you would not want to push a carriage down that block but it's not exactly just about
[33:41] violence i told you i would actually feel comfortable with that okay okay so you would
[33:45] you would most people i'm going to go out on a limb here and say that most most parents would
[33:49] not be comfortable with that but it's not just about that i would also say if you spend any time
[33:54] in well hollywood's become a total disaster too but if you if you go down melrose you go down to
[33:58] these places that were once thriving the store everywhere the stores are closed there are not
[34:04] this is not shoppers but it's because of the it's because of the economic condition exactly it's a
[34:09] part of the economic conditions what we need is economic equity no no no no no no but who's
[34:13] been running makers but democrats have been running this city forever democrats have been running the
[34:18] state of california forever okay but here's the thing republicans who are running to represent this
[34:21] city including spencer pratt wait wait it's not coming in to build housing for all the issues that
[34:25] there is not enough housing in los angeles but it's not a house number of people experiencing homelessness
[34:29] no no no yes it is because it's not a housing issue it's not a housing issue you could give
[34:33] drug addicts all the beds and homes that there are and it will not work it will not work if you told me
[34:38] that what you were trying to do is figure out truly functional programs that would help these
[34:43] people get off drugs and they could actually work like universal health care i could get on some of
[34:47] that no but just saying universal health care and we're going to give health care to everybody
[34:52] you haven't given me a moment to speak and retort so what i want to say is that on any given night
[34:57] in los angeles in la county there are more than 72 000 people experiencing homelessness in la city there
[35:02] are more than 43 democrat run los angeles let me finish democrat there are more than 43 000 people
[35:07] experiencing homelessness yet there are only about 16 000 interim housing shelter beds meanwhile there
[35:13] are more than 250 000 vacant units here's the thing is your argument is your argument that democrats have
[35:18] not my argument is your democ argument that democrats have not funded homeless policies
[35:22] enough because they've my argument is that republicans are not going to fund it either they're just going to
[35:26] criminalize our neighbors experiencing poverty and we cannot criminalize our neighbors experiencing
[35:31] homelessness but just because they are poor but you seem more angry at republicans who've had nothing
[35:35] to do with this republicans have literally no influence in this city or in this state so
[35:39] even if i could grant you something they have said what they want to do which was which has come in
[35:43] and criminalized people who are living poor in public and that is not going to solve the problem
[35:48] that is going to shuffle the problem down the street is going to create more incarceration you're angry at
[35:52] people you seem angry at people that aren't in power and haven't been in power here in decades than
[35:57] the people who are actually in power if you're if you're angry i can be angry about but if you're
[36:01] angry at somebody be angry at gavin newsom gavin newsom when he was mayor of san francisco had his
[36:07] what 10-year plan to end homelessness in san francisco i am sure i don't have to tell you about the drug
[36:12] and homelessness problem you don't in san francisco we don't actually have his permanent supportive housing
[36:16] we do not have again it's not okay so i okay so we have a service okay so we can't just criminalize
[36:20] people okay no no no no so we have a fundamental difference on what you can do for these people
[36:24] i don't think that if you take a bunch of drug addicts and just give them beds that that's going
[36:28] to solve anything i think it's going to prolong it for the most part okay so we have a fundamental
[36:32] difference there that that's just fine but what i would say is aim you're sure that you would
[36:36] probably do drugs if you lived on the street as well aim your anger aim your anger at the people who
[36:41] have been in charge your anger should not be it's my anger is at the duopoly which is both democrats
[36:46] and republicans but it's not a duopoly here it's not a duopoly here here in los angeles which has
[36:53] you've been voted out by the majority please return to your speech thanks dave yeah thank you
[36:57] he's quick he's quick hi eric how are you good how are you good good uh so i really want to ground
[37:08] this conversation more in what i believe is the greatest damage that's happening right now in
[37:12] america which is the affordability problem and i think that there is no one who has exacerbated that
[37:16] more than donald trump and mega republicans we can talk about cities specifically but i'd like to just
[37:21] talk about the nation as a whole if you look i was previously an economics teacher for 12th grade
[37:26] and if you looked at the three primary indicators of how the economy is doing gdp the labor uh market
[37:32] and uh inflation all three of those are indicating that the economy is going in a downhill direction
[37:38] and that's also validated by a recent poll 72 percent of people in america are saying that the
[37:44] economy is in poor condition now if you look at the primary things that the trump administration has done
[37:49] taking away people's health care and one big beautiful bill the war in iran which has raised
[37:54] gas prices that's really the thing that is making everyone really feel like oh affordability
[37:58] i need to choose between gas and groceries this is the big big problem that we're experiencing so
[38:03] i don't think that going more in a republican direction is necessarily going to be helpful for
[38:07] that um because we're seeing that donald trump ran on a platform of making the economy better
[38:12] he appealed to people the populace of saying listen i understand the struggle they pointed the
[38:18] finger at immigrants at trans people lgbtq people but then he made it worse i don't think a lot of
[38:22] people were expecting that oh you know the economy could actually go in a worse direction so i just
[38:27] want to say again i think there's been a certain theme that i obviously i disagree with a little bit
[38:31] of the premise there but i can i can basically get on board what you said there look if you want to
[38:35] create the conditions for economic success what i think you have to do is you have to lower taxes
[38:40] literally for everybody and you have to eliminate as much regulation as possible right when we see a massive
[38:46] exodus right now we'll use new york as an example since mamdami has taken over they have they have
[38:52] lost trillions of dollars in tax revenue right so the guy wants to fund big government programs and
[38:58] what he's saying is i want to tax these people more and then he is causing them to leave that is what
[39:03] people are going to do in a free society right we have states rights and in florida say we have no
[39:07] state income tax we have low regulation we create the conditions for economic boom and that's what we're
[39:13] getting right now it's not it's not a coincidence that massive corporations and if you look at
[39:19] nothing else if you look at nothing else between blue and red right now do you know how many people
[39:23] since covet have moved to florida i want to touch on what you're talking about because i don't know the
[39:28] answer to that but i can't say okay i'm not trying to i'm not trying to get you i'm not trying to get
[39:32] you so 2.3 million people have moved to florida since covid right and it was largely because of covid
[39:38] then there were economic opportunities now it's because there's a huge boom down there and there's lower
[39:42] taxes and the census is trying to get rid of property taxes etc etc you know how many people
[39:47] have left california since covid well i would like again i'm not trying to get you in california if
[39:52] there was a proposed billionaire tax and the percent is the billionaires less than five percent but the
[39:57] billionaires are billionaires that the billionaires will leave but the billionaires are the billionaires
[40:01] are leaving peter teal left uh elon musk left um we can look at ken griffin what does that have to do
[40:08] just in the last two weeks well if you want to pause there you've been voted out by them yeah if
[40:11] you want their money they're gonna take it all right i started thanks he didn't try very hard
[40:20] not really hi kian nice to meet you hi good to meet you um i want to talk on broken schools you
[40:25] mentioned that you think um schools are teaching kids what to think not how to think i just finished
[40:31] my student teaching program today i'm getting my teacher certificate like right now great thank you
[40:37] everything we talk about in my program every piece of what you guys would probably consider
[40:42] to be like woke critical race theory has been so beneficial for me in my student teaching and
[40:47] connecting with our students taking yeah give me an example yeah taking students backgrounds into
[40:52] account when i am planning my lessons making it actually engaging for them is like the step one if
[40:58] you want to teach them anything because the students can you give me an act like an actual example i'm
[41:02] i'm following you here yeah um like i have noticed a lot of my students are specifically concerned about
[41:07] like money and being able to make money in the future so when we're reading romeo and juliet we
[41:14] talk about um the class the class um like dynamics at play in that play because that's something they're
[41:20] interested in so when i talk about that they can buy in and they can actually do that okay this is
[41:26] something that the right would look at and say is like crt you're just like looking at them because
[41:32] they're from like poor economic backgrounds so they're doing all this well you haven't you haven't
[41:36] you but you haven't mentioned anything related to race i don't have i don't have an inherent
[41:39] problem with what you just described right there i don't see how that's crt we're not trying to teach
[41:43] people what to think we're teaching them how to think and that and the way to do that is by getting
[41:48] them engaged and i think we see this in that all the top states are all blue states all the top states
[41:55] for education are all blue states florida florida is yeah florida is number one in higher education
[41:59] without question i mean you check the u.s check us news world report yeah i'm pretty sure florida's
[42:04] top three it's not it's not in the top check check us news world report we we can we can fact check it
[42:09] yeah please do yeah yeah what i would say my basic situation when it comes to education is we should
[42:15] have school choice we should have charter schools we should have public schools we should have private
[42:19] schools you shouldn't necessarily be stuck in a failing school just because of your zip code i'm glad
[42:25] you want to have as much choice as possible within the system and then it creates it also creates
[42:29] uh competition i also look we have a huge i'm sorry i gotta cut you off are not more inclusive do you
[42:35] know what the average cost of well i didn't say i didn't say anything about inclusive you said you
[42:39] don't want people to get stuck i don't want people i want it should be inclusive well it depends what
[42:43] you mean by inclusive so i think that everyone should have similar opportunities and the way to do that
[42:47] is not with school choice school choice so you want state you want state-run no competition i think
[42:52] having public schools is the best way to get the most amount of people and if we make public
[42:57] education good and we actually well that's a resource that's a hell of a car but that's well
[43:02] who's your choice is what gets that but if but if you want wait school choice yes school do you think
[43:07] the funding goes with school choice it comes from public education to go to private and charter right
[43:12] so i would have as many charter schools as possible as many private schools as possible i would
[43:16] encourage home so you want to i would encourage eliminate public schooling i think actually you could
[43:22] over time i think you could but i'm not calling for that today you want can i tell you what i really
[43:26] want can i tell you what i really want so might i might i recommend schools have always been safe but
[43:30] has always been say run and how do you think that's working out i think it was working out
[43:34] really great until we started gutting our funding if we look at class sizes right now can i talk about
[43:38] class sizes sure my teacher um my mentor teacher has class sizes of up to 40 students in her classes so i
[43:44] would that is not sustainable if we put more funding in we can hire more teachers for those public
[43:48] schools to get class sizes down which is the number one thing so you think if we just put more
[43:54] money into these things i think if we hire more teachers if we hire more teachers yeah then we have
[43:59] lower class sizes teachers like myself can individualize our curriculum we can take individual
[44:04] students into account in our lesson planning which is something i do because i was lucky enough
[44:08] to have a small class size but other classes don't have that you would be quite a good teacher
[44:14] likely in a pod or at a charter school or at something where it would be more i'd be a good
[44:19] teacher anyway i promise we got a pause there you've been voted out by the majority thank you
[44:25] nice to meet you hi how are you all right good what is one main metric that donald trump has made
[44:34] better off since he got an office like an example would be gdp unemployment inflation etc well right now
[44:40] first off the big beautiful bill was just passed last year and it's kicking in now right it's kicking in
[44:45] now okay so we are see we're going to now see results of that like even the tariffs all right
[44:51] so let's do tariffs are you for or against tariffs um against the universal tariff so what's the main
[44:55] metric that he made better off what what's the main metric that he made better off gdp unemployment
[45:00] inflation do you have any idea listen listen i don't think you do do you think hold on so you're
[45:09] arguing that things economically were better under joe biden at the end of his administration yeah so can
[45:14] you give me an example of how yeah gdp growth is better off real median wage growth is better off
[45:18] inflation was better off the end of his administration unemployment was better off the end
[45:21] of his administration with the worst year of job growth in the past four years just last year under
[45:25] trump's administration the inflation 3.8 year over year since trump got in office we're seeing all of
[45:31] those economic indicators become worse off can you tell me anything that he's done to make it better
[45:34] off you say it's broken for democrats it sounds like it's broken right now under trump have you looked
[45:37] at the stock market it's worse off in terms of growth in 2025 as compared to 2024 if you look at jow jones
[45:43] and uh s p 500 they're both up quite a bit right now but lower rate lower and doing quite well you
[45:49] know things don't happen overnight so donald trump for example things don't that's true that's true
[45:53] there's a there's reality there's actual reality like you put policies into place and they don't just
[45:58] kick in the next day right donald trump a year and a half donald trump said donald trump said when
[46:02] the tarot in a year crisis would be down 50 for electricity are they up right now hold on donald trump
[46:07] when when he brought in the total idea of tariffs would you agree that for the last four decades we
[46:13] have had completely lopsided trade deals with all of these countries where they're tariffing and taxing
[46:18] our products that go to them and they're getting sweet deals when they sell to the american public
[46:22] do you think that's a fair didn't trump address that with the usmca but he went against that when
[46:26] he didn't extend it through the context of his new trade agreement because he wanted to place
[46:30] tariffs on all of them again and his tariffs that he's placing on are destroying our relationships
[46:33] with countries all around the world no it's well it's fine when you say destroying
[46:36] when you say destroying it's costing it's costing consumers here in this country a federal reserve
[46:40] report just came out indicated that we'd be below pre-pandemic levels of inflation if donald trump
[46:44] never imposed the tariffs in the first place meaning we'll be able to bring down interest rates and be
[46:47] able to increase investment within our economy and bring more jobs back hold on when you say
[46:51] destroying our relationships with other countries well other countries were getting sweet deals
[46:56] right if canada which was charging crazy taxes and tariffs on our products that were going to them
[47:03] and we were basically charging nothing back how can we sell to their market so
[47:06] if they're upset with us right so china is a little upset with right now we're trying upset
[47:10] with us we're trying to get fairer deals canada obviously under carney is upset with us because
[47:15] we're trying to get fairer deals donald trump is trying to reset things we were basically the
[47:20] world's piggy bank for the last it's really basically post-world war ii and donald trump is
[47:25] trying to reverse that so that we will have fairer deals if you told me that it was just zero across
[47:30] the board and there were no tariffs going any which way i could completely get on board that but
[47:34] as long as countries are going to treat us unfairly often while we foot the bill for their defense or
[47:39] a series of other things and we give them foreign aid and everything else well then we should have
[47:44] equal playing field going both directions what better deal did he get what what better deal did
[47:49] he get what do you mean several countries have already come back and we've named any of the
[47:52] conditions that made the trade better off give me the specifics canada i think they had something like
[47:58] a 60 tariff on cheese literally on cheese that was being sold from america from wisconsin to canada
[48:06] and that basically is zero right now that's one that's one little example i think it's zero right
[48:11] okay so that's a targeted tariff not a universal tariff can you name one country that had a universal
[48:15] tariff on us i think there are several countries that name one i think there i think there are several
[48:20] countries honestly i'm not sure but i think there are several countries that did okay so why are we
[48:23] replacing the universe that zeroed out the tariffs i think argentina did if i'm not mistaken i think
[48:28] israel did i think a few other countries did why don't we put a proportional tariff on them
[48:31] the same that they put on us so that we can negotiate that down it doesn't seem like trump's
[48:35] looking for that what do you mean that that's what that's exactly what i did let me just clarify
[48:38] the tariffs are being paid by our consumers so trump while trying to get his deals is making
[48:43] inflation go up and making it worse off for you at the grocery store worse off for you with a gas
[48:47] pump worse off for you when you're trying to buy a house yeah so can you again like you
[48:51] mentioned before i'm not sure one metric i'm not sure better off i'm just not sure the premise of
[48:54] what you're saying because do you think we should just have free trade with everybody without any
[48:59] penalization you were like libertarian don't you want free trade no that's what i'm saying so i so
[49:04] i think you're agreeing with me what donald trump is trying he has an overall decrease he's trying
[49:08] the supreme court did more to decrease tariffs than he did it doesn't happen overnight it doesn't happen
[49:13] overnight you're negotiating these things have we done anything in his office yes what yes talk
[49:17] scott bestin every day is negotiating with these other countries you you think that he can do
[49:23] shoots are worse off with the jcpoa we have less political concessions right now than we had a
[49:26] decade ago under the jcpoa so tell me what political concessions have we got with the war
[49:30] with iran since trump started it well right now iran literally exports no oil every day they are
[49:35] losing 500 million dollars so what you can do over time is you have a military adventure which we had
[49:41] 40 days which we took out their air force and their uh their entire navy and everything else
[49:48] and now we completely control their economy what's the political concession since the beginning of
[49:52] the war what's what's the political concession from iran since the beginning of the war yes well
[49:57] we're in the we're having negotiations with them right now and we haven't gotten anything we're having
[50:01] negotiations with them right now so nothing well we're in a negotiation process two and a half months
[50:06] now we got no political concession for two and a half how long do you think a decade ago we had
[50:10] we had a limitation in terms of them enriching uranium to 3.7 that was going to be in place
[50:14] until 2030 it would still be in place again we started with the jcpoa we started with this they
[50:19] admitted they were they were enriching past that point after the jcpoa steve whitkoff said the day
[50:24] two or three days before the war started that they admitted they were enriching more also you have
[50:30] pulled out of the agreement and then the original strike that we made a year ago you also have to
[50:33] they haven't been building up you also have to go on the assumption dni why is it that why is it
[50:37] that you why is it that you believe why would you believe the iranian theocratic regime why would
[50:43] you believe that they are doing right that's the director of national intelligence tulsi gabbard
[50:47] appointed by donald trump so explain why you don't believe her listen marco rubio marco why don't you
[50:53] believe marco marco hold on why don't you believe the entire u.s intelligence committee why do you
[50:57] think they're all lying so are you saying that donald trump just ignored the entire u.s intelligence
[51:02] community no literally that's what he did no he didn't that's it that's okay so that's an interesting
[51:06] disconnect that we have i mean marco why did they contradict each other marco rubio very clearly
[51:10] laid out what was going on here and by the way donald donald trump and every trump donald trump
[51:14] and every president for the last 40 years has said that iran will not get a nuclear bomb right
[51:18] every president has said that joe biden said no remember kamala harris said no or don't right
[51:24] to a greater extent why didn't you address that point again again you are going on the assumption that
[51:29] you can trust these random inspectors that are going into these places literally yeah random
[51:35] expectors all right the iaea is the international atomic energy with with all due respect that i
[51:40] think that i think that trusting some of these international things that they somehow have
[51:43] america's interests or the west's interest in mind i think is a kind of faulty it's just a faulty
[51:48] premise i would say international actors that are lying they don't actually have legitimate
[51:52] surveillance over their nuclear enrichment facilities no they don't okay so they don't they have
[51:56] they were buried they were buried under they were buried under mountains they were buried underground
[52:03] my next surrounded claim is that progressives push normal moderate americans to the
[52:07] right like to debate this claim please get to the chair in three two one hey how are you good
[52:20] to meet you so my argument here is that what progressives are doing are is opening up
[52:26] opportunities for people to reevaluate the way that they see politics right progressives are arguing
[52:31] that more pocket power should be delivered to the average american that is like one of the most
[52:36] the foundational tenets of progressivism yeah can you say with that what is more pocket power okay
[52:41] right so this is the idea right that under our current system we see that the majority of power
[52:47] as well as just like monetary control exists within people who own private property and to essentially
[52:54] decrease that gap progressives want to give more power to those who are in the workplace do you not
[52:59] want people to own private property well i'm definitely anti-capitalist i would say so i would say that
[53:04] workers should own the means production right oh so you're communist yeah oh interesting yeah wow i don't know
[53:10] what is communism i haven't talked to a real-life communist what's a communist well you want the
[53:14] peep you want the people to own the means of production yeah so seem to believe in the people
[53:19] who create property the people who create value as in create the value of commodities should own the
[53:23] the actual value that they create from that process yes so my answer if you want the people
[53:30] everyone in this room and everyone in this country if they have more what i would want is that you would
[53:35] take less from them so you tax everybody less you remove regulation you create the conditions
[53:42] for competition and capitalism so that more people will have more of their money i want you i assume
[53:49] you work do you work yeah do you pay taxes yeah i want you to keep more of your money i don't know
[53:54] what you do i don't know how much you earn i whatever it is you earn i want you to have more
[53:57] of that money so that you can put that money back into the majority of wealth in the system
[54:01] is is owned by one percent of the population you understand that right and where does that wealth
[54:05] come from wait one percent of the population do you know how much percent they pay in taxes that one
[54:09] percent not nearly enough because the majority of their because the majority of their wealth comes
[54:13] from it's 47 percent what right hold on hold on so one percent of the population pay 47 you accept
[54:19] that okay yeah yeah so what would be their fair what percent of that what would be their fair is
[54:24] their actual wealth that they own that again majority of these lineages of well you seem to
[54:28] the power and ownership what would be their fair share what would be their first accumulation of
[54:33] what what would be their fair share i would say that the fact that they own one percent you're not
[54:38] letting me 47 in taxes here's my problem you're not letting me finish the point so we can't get
[54:42] from point a to b do you understand that okay okay cool if you accept that one percent there's not
[54:46] going to be a fair share when their wealth is coming from the back ends of colonialism so that's
[54:51] not going to work okay we're going to we got to pause there we're going to reset please return to
[54:55] your seat you've been voted out he's back all right good to see you again dave nice to see you
[55:06] it's interesting to point to like five anecdotal examples as like an overall consensus on where
[55:11] the american people are moving well i think they qualify more as anecdotal more than anecdotal in
[55:15] that tulsi gabbard was a democrat member of congress bobby kennedy is kennedy which is a standard bearer
[55:20] for democrat do you think bobby kennedy is also in alignment with most of his family would you say that
[55:25] they would concur that he's a representative of the kennedy i don't know i don't know about most i know some
[55:29] don't like most most don't know some don't especially those are the most vocal and still
[55:32] participate well he's the he's the one that's in the midst of the talking about people like joe rogan
[55:36] bill maher these are people that thrive off of clicks and popularity what's more clickbaity than
[55:41] i left the left so many people get that not just because they're uh getting a whole new audience in
[55:46] order to capitulate to yeah but there's also like so you think joe there's also like a lot of like
[55:50] there's a lot of like oligarchic money too that like that's quite incentivize people to change their
[55:54] world view wait wait that's like russian money hold on hold on that's like for people like tim
[55:58] pool or like what was the rubin report did that also accept uh russian money from tenet all right
[56:04] we could i'm more than happy to talk about that but just very quickly to impugn joe's motives that
[56:08] at the day before the election he suddenly said i'm going to vote for uh donald trump for financial
[56:13] or click motives when he's the largest podcaster in the world that's what you just i'm not saying
[56:17] it's just that is that is no but that was indicative of people that is quite that is quite
[56:20] we can walk over joe rogan specifically yeah i think his brain broke during covet i'm gonna be
[56:24] honest because he went from somebody who went from like a huge bernie sanders supporter so
[56:28] single-payer health care ensuring that we're more diplomatic in our international do you think it's
[56:32] possibly he just evolved do you think it's possibly he just evolved to different points all of those
[56:36] days you think his brain broke it's not possible that he just started thinking about things all of
[56:39] those are political foundations believing that the united states should not continue
[56:43] interventionalism believing that universal health care should be a right to people these are political
[56:47] foundations you don't just switch your political foundations like that well hold on you find that
[56:52] people are bullying you or you're saying it's not it's not a right it's not a right to someone else's
[56:57] labor you have a right to we can have a universal health care debate if you want but i'm talking the
[57:01] overall why america shifted okay right but it seems i have to talk about it seems the last person who
[57:05] debated most people feel like they can't get a leg up in this economy okay and when you have a
[57:10] democratic party this is where i'm pretty critical of joe biden you're gonna love this yeah ready yeah i think
[57:14] that the biden administration and then the following kamala harris uh presidential campaign i don't
[57:20] think that they focus enough on what specifically needs to change in order for the average american
[57:24] to feel like their economic conditions are getting better and while we can follow the metrics
[57:28] economically and inflation was going down unemployment was lower um most people didn't feel that and when
[57:34] you feel like your rent is burdening you 34 percent of americans feel rent burdened which is huge
[57:38] when you feel like the grocery prices are continuing to go higher you're going to try to find an
[57:42] alternative and when donald trump is saying look i'm going to fix all of the problems i'm going to
[57:46] make sure everything's okay some people are like yeah i want to go ahead and go well that's what
[57:50] politics is right like it's a singular four year we're not saying that ideologically americans are
[57:54] more right-wing why do progressive ballot propositions pass even in red states hold on
[57:58] nebraska ohio we could go over minimum wage increases i gotcha i gotcha you did a lot there okay
[58:03] let's answer something so okay i'm trying i'm trying so first off um you want to talk about the tenant
[58:09] thing what do you want to talk about where do you want to go i'll even give it to you i'll give it
[58:11] to you where do you where do you want to go yeah yeah why did you take russian money yeah
[58:14] and pretend like you didn't know i was okay so i was uh reached out to by lauren chen who
[58:20] you might know as what's her name post millennial online or yeah she's like the canadian white
[58:24] nationalist roaming millennial and i've known her for about 10 years okay and we were friendly over
[58:30] the years and we had agreements and disagreements and we were on each other's shows and she contacted
[58:34] me a couple years ago and said that she had some backers that she was talking to and she was
[58:38] starting a new network and they were talking to all sorts of people she mentioned tim pool she
[58:42] mentioned a whole bunch of creators that you guys know and i'm sure love but it was a it was people
[58:47] all over the political aisle she said they wanted to create a free speech network i said to her listen
[58:51] i am extremely extremely busy but i would consider doing something for you as long as i 100 percent
[58:58] control it you have no control over the content whatsoever yeah i'm going to ask for a ridiculous
[59:05] amount of money because i don't have time and we'll see if we come up to come to your defense
[59:10] i'm not going to attribute you like let's say you didn't know that and i'm not trying to say that
[59:13] you were able to know that was russian money but what i do think is interesting is that this
[59:17] anti-woke movement that just says woke a lot and calls it an ideology it is so easy to be
[59:22] ideologically aligned that russian propagandists are like yes these are our people this is how we're
[59:26] going to get the american people that's more of like the issue it's not really your fault what show
[59:30] did i do for russia what what show did i do for russia what what show did i do for russia i'm not
[59:38] saying russia saw you as a stooge who could easily say the talking points that benefited them but do
[59:44] you understand they gave me no talking points i did a show it was a calling show here's here's what
[59:50] we're missing dave right i'm not saying russia gave you a script to say i'm saying russia's like yes this
[59:55] is our guy if we fund him more and we get them more influence he's going to do it for us without even
[1:00:00] getting a script isn't that embarrassing no you did it without even getting instruction from them
[1:00:05] it's a quite literal fantastical uh adventure that you just went on there literally what's the
[1:00:11] adventure literally i did a call-in show why would russia choose you don't even know wait why would
[1:00:15] russia choose you in temple hold on you don't even know what i did you don't even know what the tenant
[1:00:19] show that i did do you did you ever watch it do you know the name of it do you know anything that i
[1:00:22] do so you don't so you quite literally have no idea what you're talking they just gave you money
[1:00:26] because they're altruistic no buddy they're just like we're thinking of giving it to dave no because
[1:00:31] no well first off so just to be clear you have literally no idea what you're talking about you
[1:00:35] don't know the name of the show you don't know the name of the show that i did you don't know the
[1:00:38] name of the show that i did for them or what i need to know the specifics on a podcaster who takes
[1:00:42] russian money oh my god no man but dave dave is trying to respond to you yeah let's let's hear his
[1:00:48] side of the story do you know he's not knowing anything i know he took russian money yeah but he's also
[1:00:54] we also like haven't heard his entirely i literally did a call-in show at first so my audience just
[1:01:00] called me and asked questions talked about sometimes we talked about basketball we talked about video
[1:01:04] games it had literally nothing to do with foreign policy i don't think we did one show on russia or
[1:01:07] anything else and then we shifted the show that was kind of boring to me so i was like my team
[1:01:12] five minutes before we go live we'll pick viral videos you know woman throws hamburger at somebody at
[1:01:18] wendy's and i'll respond to it that's what we did and then guess what happened after about six months
[1:01:23] of that because i controlled the entire thing i didn't even know what the clips were before i was
[1:01:27] doing them the deal was off they didn't want to do it anymore because i did not do anything
[1:01:32] yeah and also notice i'm not under federal indictment i'm not sitting here with a lawyer
[1:01:35] or anything else and as a matter of fact merrick garland who i'm no friend of
[1:01:39] basically said that the influencers had nothing to do with this and and if you read the yes just a
[1:01:45] second and if you read the indictment i'm the one that got on the zoom call with
[1:01:50] the backer to ask more questions about it and everything else yeah so dave again i'm not saying
[1:01:55] you were saying russia's such a great country everyone should love vladimir putin and i get
[1:01:59] that your show might not even it been political in nature i know so you didn't just to be clear
[1:02:03] you didn't know the show you didn't know the show or what i do yeah yeah yeah but the fact that
[1:02:09] they are building the social capital of the rubin report being larger in infrastructure is because
[1:02:13] it wasn't the rubin report no but you as an entity dave they want to legitimize you more in the eyes
[1:02:19] of the viewers that they are trying to capture that is the point of why russia paid you specifically
[1:02:23] they don't do it out of the kindness of their hearts they didn't do it because they're like
[1:02:26] dave seems like a good guy where they did it because dave's politics is advocating for cheerleading
[1:02:31] for donald trump policies regardless of any criticism where that is the point where is the case
[1:02:35] what do you mean where's the case where's the case where's the case right now why am i even able
[1:02:38] to talk about it why i don't have a lawyer sitting here where where's i'm not saying what you did
[1:02:41] was illegal in nature i'm just saying well hold on there was a federal indictment wouldn't i be a
[1:02:46] little afraid to be talking about it right now i'm not dave i'm not clean are they i i started this
[1:02:50] conversation is there is anyone in jail you might not even have known about the russian money i'm not
[1:02:56] trying to cast that blame on you i'm just saying it's interesting that your show is so ideologically
[1:03:00] aligned with what russia wants for the united states that they are going to give you money to continue
[1:03:04] to do it what that is what is it that i do for for russia you suck donald trump's dick without
[1:03:09] criticizing any bad thing that he does all right yeah we we gotta pause macy you gotta go sorry
[1:03:16] i actually will agree with you that establishment democrats have done a really terrible job of
[1:03:28] ensuring that their policies reflect what the people actually want most people want universal
[1:03:33] health care most people want free higher education so that they can actually get a job and move up i don't
[1:03:39] know that it's most people most people will say that they would love for the rich to be taxed at the
[1:03:44] same rate that they used to be closer towards the 90 percent rather than taxing the rest of the
[1:03:51] population that can barely pay their rent yeah and then they're watching shows like yours and they're
[1:03:58] hearing ideology more so than factual evidence and they're saying you know what yeah the democrats
[1:04:03] establishment democrats haven't been doing much that they said that they were going to do so let me
[1:04:08] listen to this guy and everything you give is emotion and ideology so yeah sometimes people who
[1:04:15] don't have nearly as much critical thinking as they probably should are going to move to the right
[1:04:21] but honestly the base that's actually growing are the progressive base young voters are becoming much
[1:04:28] and much more progressive than they ever were why because again most people well i agree i agree with that
[1:04:34] that that a lot of a lot of young people are very confused about what america is oh they're confused
[1:04:39] about what they want yeah they are so so you want so i mean we could just do a few of what you just said
[1:04:43] so how much money would you like to take from anyone from anyone to get whatever policy you want what
[1:04:50] is the number how much money should anyone have that you want to take to get whatever it is that you
[1:04:56] want done done please give me it's interesting that you're using the rhetoric of taking when we're literally
[1:05:01] talking about a state a society that functions solely through making sure that most people have their
[1:05:08] basic needs met so how much establishment democrats have moved so towards the corporatist
[1:05:14] side that they have forgotten what the people actually want so how much so that's where
[1:05:18] so how much of elon musk where we disagree all right so let's use your rhetoric around i'm
[1:05:22] gonna take as much money as well it is it is taking it's not no it is of course what do you mean if you
[1:05:28] don't give if they say we're going to take it and it and you don't give it they're going to put you
[1:05:32] in jail right so it is taking if you're saying taxes if you don't pay taxes yeah if you if it is so
[1:05:39] benevolent to do these things then why don't more people do it no it's just part of being a person
[1:05:45] living in a country every country has taxes so how much of elon musk's money would you like to take from
[1:05:51] him to do what i would actually like for billionaires and the rich in general to pay the same amount that they
[1:05:57] were paying back in the 1950s okay so that's a rather radical position if you want in the 1950s
[1:06:03] yeah mostly it was republicans so you want to give that money to the system and the government which
[1:06:09] you don't seem to like very much right you're talking about corporate democrats and and you
[1:06:13] don't like the republicans but your solution seems to be i will take more money and put it
[1:06:18] into the system to do what i want what i would prefer to do is that what i would prefer to do is that
[1:06:24] you you have a job of course yeah okay so i would like you to keep more of your money i want everyone
[1:06:29] again in this room to keep more of their money you know what happens when rich people have more of
[1:06:34] their money they hire more people they invest in more things so untrue it is crazy and that's what
[1:06:39] i'm saying people like you will spit out this rhetoric and people who are living paycheck to
[1:06:45] paycheck and don't have nearly as much critical we gotta we gotta pause there we're out of time
[1:06:49] we're out of time yeah my final surrounded claim is that the modern left cares more about ideology
[1:06:54] than reality all right if you would like to debate this prompt get to the chair in three two one
[1:07:01] it's going dave all right all right all right um let's talk about reality okay let's talk about
[1:07:10] three things that exist in reality climate change donald trump lost the 2020 election and vaccines out of
[1:07:17] covid are effective and safe um the right does not accept any of those things does donald trump
[1:07:23] accept the 2020 election results and do republicans broadly accept the 2020 election results still to
[1:07:28] this day i think there's a lot of questions about the 2020 election do they but did donald trump accept
[1:07:33] it does donald trump i think he thinks something went something went awry so he does not accept it
[1:07:38] now did donald trump lose the 2020 election i don't know well well no no i know no yeah that's the truth
[1:07:43] i know that i know that he was not the president by the end of that but i do know that in all the
[1:07:47] chaos of covet and mail-in ballots and everything else right that somehow magically joe biden got
[1:07:52] something like 20 million more votes than barack obama that's a little bit curious yeah so all i
[1:07:57] incredibly high election because voting was made easier oh because voting is well you might think it
[1:08:02] have something to do well if you are doing mail-in ballots there might be a little more access to
[1:08:06] fraudulent uh abilities you might think that but you have to actually provide evidence to demonstrate
[1:08:11] so i'm just skeptical i'm just skeptical of it so okay i don't know i don't know i'm skeptical okay
[1:08:16] so yeah if just i would i would uh venture to say that a little skepticism is probably a good thing
[1:08:21] also the coveted vaccines didn't work i mean that's that's a fact that is not that is a fact that isn't
[1:08:26] if you got a coveted vaccine could you get coveted if you got it yes yes oh you could transmit it yes
[1:08:33] the claim was never that transmission was at zero percent joe biden joe biden joe biden hold on hold on
[1:08:39] hold on joe biden if you get the coveted vaccine you will not get nor transmit kobe okay that is
[1:08:44] what joe biden but that's not the claim fauci said that that's not what the right claims about the
[1:08:49] covert vaccine like similar to yourself right you yes we're talking about whether or not the right or
[1:08:54] the left accepts reality correct so the right claims that the that the code vaccine is unsafe
[1:08:59] and unaffected that's not true that is true no the that is true of the people who died from covid
[1:09:04] are the vast majority of them unvaccinated or vaccinated hold on hold on do you know
[1:09:08] unvaccinated i know i know a young guy who's in his early 20s who never had any help wait wait wait
[1:09:14] who had never had any health problems young healthy guy in his early 20s who had to get
[1:09:17] the covid vaccine to go to college and he now has myocarditis okay does that interest you at all does
[1:09:22] that interest you he had no reason he had no reason to get a vaccine that would stop him it did not stop
[1:09:28] him from getting coveted and he could still transmit covid we don't use anecdotes in science this is a let's
[1:09:33] pull it back to reality right this is why science is so important this is why you're telling me
[1:09:36] actually like science because we understand that anecdotes aren't a good tool to use when assessing
[1:09:42] scientific research so you think the government the government should have been allowed to force
[1:09:46] people to get a vaccine that was rushed that was rushed through by operating operation
[1:09:51] warp speed which was donald trump a guy you don't seem to like very much right yeah sure but we're
[1:09:56] pivoting we're sure yeah yeah we're sure i'm okay with operation warp speed i can't so you the guy
[1:10:01] that you seem to be quite deranged about donald trump pushes through a vaccine very fast and you're
[1:10:06] right because i want to ensure that people are healthy but yeah but even though even though the
[1:10:10] vaccine vaccine what i don't like is the fact that republicans and especially like right-wing
[1:10:15] influencers downplayed the efficacy of vaccines and claimed that they were unsafe or unaffected but they
[1:10:21] were unaffected no they weren't if it reduces if young healthy people had no reason if it reduces
[1:10:28] the rate of transmission of that that is that is literally what a vaccine is intended we were sold
[1:10:34] we were sold bill of goods that they sold us was that you would not get nor transmit covid that is
[1:10:39] the president of the united states words if as he was forcing people to get that back if he said that
[1:10:45] then i would agree that his assessment of it was well he's the president of the united states oh you
[1:10:50] should have you should you do you think wait wait are you saying speaking of presidents of the
[1:10:54] united states how about how about donald trump and suggesting that people should drink bleach or do
[1:10:59] hydroxychloroquine he's the president of the united states do you think that that was at all
[1:11:04] the bleach thing is a completely made up farce the bleach he didn't yes he told people to inject bleach
[1:11:09] have you seen the whole quote you think he told people to inject bleach he's like really like you're
[1:11:12] that he suggested that things like hydroxychloroquine were effective at means at preventing covid
[1:11:19] there were all there were all sorts of other treatments there were monoclonal treatments people
[1:11:22] did you use hcq there were all sorts of things people people used other things but that doesn't
[1:11:27] mean that it that doesn't mean that the vaccine wasn't the most safe and effective means well
[1:11:31] there used to be something there used to be something called herd immunity there used to be
[1:11:35] that young people would actually go outside and get sun and run around and do exercise and not
[1:11:40] be sitting inside playing video games all day and taking takeout food and getting fatter and everything else
[1:11:44] like you might want to encourage people to be healthy rather than take a largely experimental
[1:11:49] vaccine that turned out not to be a vaccine it it was it was comp first i don't know what you mean
[1:11:54] by not a vaccine it's clearly a vaccine it wasn't it doesn't mean just because something is a vaccine
[1:12:00] it doesn't mean you it it's zero percent transmissibility okay we gotta we gotta pause there you've
[1:12:04] been voted out okay smooth hi hi my name is mariam nice to meet you so i would just like to get into the
[1:12:19] fact that i think it's actually conservatives and republicans who don't live in reality because
[1:12:24] in reality trump is actually making it worse for people who claim they want affordability nothing
[1:12:29] in the big beautiful bill uh actually helps poor americans it actually increased their taxes and gave
[1:12:35] tax breaks to corporations and the ultra wealthy uh so if we want to talk about who's not living in
[1:12:40] reality i think it's the people who are poor but support trump because they think that he likes them
[1:12:46] well again i think one of the consistent themes here is that we just have a fundamental difference
[1:12:50] on what makes an economy work and what i think okay so what makes an economy no so what i think
[1:12:54] makes an economy work is lower taxes for everybody did he lower taxes for everybody or did he actually
[1:13:00] increase taxes for the poor he didn't increase taxes for the poor you can actually go you can
[1:13:05] actually go look at it but if you are poor after the big beautiful act what do you mean by poor
[1:13:10] what qualifies as poor you make under a certain amount yeah well if you make under something like
[1:13:14] fifty thousand dollars you basically pay no taxes anyway but if the argument you guys seem to keep
[1:13:18] coming around to the argument that if you could just take more from a certain set of people that
[1:13:22] we could solve all i'm not even arguing that right now i'm saying that trump is not helping people at
[1:13:27] all he's not giving tax breaks to them he's giving tax breaks to the ultra wealthy when he should be
[1:13:32] giving tax breaks to you said everybody like tax breaks so you like well no i'm saying if you want to be
[1:13:37] like logically consistent yeah then you would give tax breaks to everybody but he's not doing that he's only
[1:13:42] doing that with the poorest people pay virtually no tax okay virtually no tax and again the one
[1:13:48] percent pay 47 so what percentage would you find acceptable i really i really mean that i seem to
[1:13:54] not be able to get an answer i don't want to get into the actual specifics of course of course you
[1:13:58] don't because i'm here to actually say that how but okay so elon musk who's sending people to mars i
[1:14:03] think this is not relevant okay this is not relevant but this is no because you have to because human
[1:14:09] flourishing is important and when you take someone like human flourishing yes yeah who works for elon
[1:14:14] musk yeah 144 000 people okay so should those people also be getting tax breaks of course so why aren't
[1:14:21] they they are but what are you talking about they're not but they are but they are how many people do you
[1:14:25] think how many people do you think elon musk pays that are making less than fifty thousand dollars
[1:14:30] i'm going to venture to say it's virtually nobody virtually nobody at his companies that basically
[1:14:34] everybody's making under over 50. that means those people almost everybody got a tax break or a tax
[1:14:40] rebate under donald trump but even i implore everyone to look that up i implore them as well
[1:14:56] hi hi how are you love the hair i love the hair oh thank you yeah um yeah so i kind of just want to
[1:15:02] echo what everyone else has been saying i do agree that the republican party i feel like has been much
[1:15:07] more focused on ideology than reality and specifically trump made several campaign promises to his voters
[1:15:15] that he hasn't come through on and yet we continue to hear you guys bootlick him all the time and it's
[1:15:21] very frustrating the topic is the modern left cares more about ideology yeah and i disagree with the claim
[1:15:26] i think the modern right cares more about ideology i mean what is that okay so let's look at some of the
[1:15:30] things that trump trump ran on right he ran on an american first america first campaign and then
[1:15:35] he bombs venezuela then he doesn't end the war in israel even though he promised he was going to do
[1:15:40] that he starts the war is over the war's over no it's what do you mean very much there's a ceasefire
[1:15:46] there's not one israeli in gaza the hostages are home there's a reconstruction that is absolutely not
[1:15:50] true that is fundamentally what you're saying there are hostages in gaza right now and the war is
[1:15:55] continuing the conflict has continued yes there have continued to be bombs and moving on they're bombing gaza
[1:16:00] right now that's what you're telling me yeah yeah yeah that's not i mean i know you get your news
[1:16:04] from grok but like this is a fact that is going to happen so he promises to be america first right
[1:16:10] he doesn't end the he doesn't end the war in um israel he starts a war in iran while simultaneously
[1:16:16] defunding the va right so he's sending people to go fight an unnecessary war while defunding the
[1:16:23] like the organization and the institution that helps those people that's not america first at all
[1:16:28] he promised he was going to drain the swamp and then he puts cash patel in who's drunk at work
[1:16:32] then he puts pam bondy and who's numpty right she ain't doing then he puts christy noem and her big
[1:16:37] booby boyfriend in right he didn't drain the swamp at all he dumped raw sewage in the swamp like he
[1:16:42] hasn't come through on any of his promises and you continue to defend him you are not accepting the
[1:16:47] reality that trump failed his voters the topic here is the modern left cares more about ideology than
[1:16:54] reality yes you're giving me you're giving the modern right cares more about ideology than reality
[1:16:58] but that's not what the topic is if you want to talk if you want to talk about what my claim was
[1:17:02] it's that the modern i am referencing your claim you just don't want to interact with this because
[1:17:05] you know you're going to lose you know all these things you don't want to say that i will tell you
[1:17:09] what my claim is the modern left which cares more i heard about and trans ideology which cares more
[1:17:15] about racial ideology no you're trying to focus on the you're trying to focus on your i'm going on i'm
[1:17:21] going on what's on the paper you're focusing on your definition of progressivism because you don't
[1:17:25] want to admit that trump has failed his voters no trump has failed his voters he has not come through
[1:17:30] on his promises i mean i just disagree but that's not what the topic is he said he was going to be
[1:17:33] tough on crime especially immigrants but he pardons the president of honduras who was literally in
[1:17:39] jail for smuggling 400 tons of cocaine into the u.s he has not come through with his promises i'm
[1:17:46] confused so you want you want the government to be tougher on crime is that what you're telling me
[1:17:50] but that's what he promised his voters you want a left you're a lefty and you want so you want the
[1:17:53] government i'm just looking at reality the reality is trump made a promise that he did not keep yeah
[1:17:58] his actions do not align with what he ran on i i actually wish donald trump was being harder on crime
[1:18:04] exactly and i actually wish that you've defended him for the last three hours you're not in touch with
[1:18:08] the reality of the situation no i wish he was doing more as it came to deportations you can only do so
[1:18:14] many things at once you don't get everything that you want all the time you just defended trump's
[1:18:18] deportation policy so you wish he was doing more or you're defending it what is it no i like the
[1:18:22] policy i wish he was doing more okay i wish he was doing more the fact that you are continuing to
[1:18:27] support a president who has not come through on his party promises is delusion no it's not delusion
[1:18:32] it is donald trump as i said at the beginning you sat here and defended him for so long if donald trump
[1:18:37] did nothing else other than close the borders he has already done more than enough for the country
[1:18:43] that's you whoa whoa you think in four years a president's only responsibility is to close
[1:18:47] the course he's supposed to be running the free world he's supposed to be running the entire
[1:18:51] country that's all you care about is the border if you have a what about health care what about
[1:18:55] the national debt he's increased the national debt by 2.5 trillion dollars you don't get about that
[1:19:00] if you have a slow soft invasion of your country happening then at the very least you can close the
[1:19:06] borders and start kicking out the people who are not supposed to be okay but you just right so donald
[1:19:10] the only thing that trump did is close the borders that would be an effective presidency to you if
[1:19:14] the only thing he did no i want him to do more okay so then why would you say that him closing
[1:19:19] the borders would be an effective presidency i would if i was donald trump because because presidents
[1:19:24] have to do a lot of different things at once you don't okay but you just said if he did one
[1:19:28] singular thing that would that would all that's a good president to you if if really relative to
[1:19:33] where we were with that sounds like a lame duck president relative if the only thing he can
[1:19:37] accomplish in four years is one thing you want to have like a silly semantic argument you i think
[1:19:41] you understand it's not a silly yeah i think you i think i think you understand no no i think you
[1:19:45] understand the point that i'm making that in and of itself closing the border is by far the most
[1:19:50] important thing that had to happen by far we don't care we had an invasion into this country 16 to 20
[1:19:57] million people on top of the fact that we probably had at least 12 million illegals here in the first
[1:20:01] place so you don't care that he just cut a trillion dollars from medicaid you don't care that he defunded
[1:20:06] the epa you don't care that i don't care i don't care that he epa but but that's besides the point
[1:20:11] none of those things you don't care it's just as long as he does immigration you're happy
[1:20:14] that's delusional that is you're not accepting the reality of the issues in this country you it's
[1:20:19] interesting you guys all seem to hate the government and hate donald trump but you love
[1:20:23] government programs i don't understand that seems to be the disconnect with progressives as a general
[1:20:28] rule when they are effective in supporting the needs of the united states might i offer that
[1:20:32] most of you guys who are in your 20s you don't really understand how the world works we got to
[1:20:36] pause here we've been voted out by the majority please return good move how you doing so your
[1:20:48] fundamental claim is that the left is more in touch with ideology than reality right make america great
[1:20:55] again is an ideological claim that they are trying to make america great again that is fundamentally
[1:21:00] incongruous with reality because donald trump is not making america great
[1:21:05] he's attacking the fundamental fabric that makes america america for example birthright citizenship
[1:21:11] one of the things that distinguishes us from other countries in the western world in first world
[1:21:15] countries is that we have just solely if someone is born here they're an american if someone believes
[1:21:20] in the ideals of america they're an american no wait wait that but that's just not meanwhile
[1:21:24] someone believes in the ideals of america they're american so someone in canada believes in the
[1:21:27] ideals of america they're american to quote the great conservative thinker ronald reagan there are
[1:21:32] millions of unknowing americans he actually they have to become americans conservative ideology of
[1:21:36] the 1980s actually invited people into america that were going to work hard and build a better
[1:21:40] life not people who tried to destroy america that you have to come by removing those people well first
[1:21:44] off that's you would agree that they have to come legally i think that we need to reform a legal
[1:21:49] process so that people can come here legally effectively trump has actually shut down legal
[1:21:53] immigration more than he shut down illegal immigration no that's not but more than the border the
[1:21:57] border is completely closed there are people that are waiting in line to get so that's not true
[1:22:01] trump has sent back about 80 000 people over the course of the second administration uh biden sent
[1:22:07] away 956 000. when it comes to border crossings biden stopped much more border crossings than trump
[1:22:12] did i'm not saying that's a good or bad thing i'm just saying objectively speaking on a per year
[1:22:16] basis biden stopped more border crossings than trump is anyone coming through the border right now
[1:22:21] yes yes they are yeah what what numbers are coming through i mean the border i don't know the exact
[1:22:25] number because we don't actually track that we only track border borders are completely closed and they
[1:22:29] were wide open under biden but the reagan comment that you just made is that ideologically someone
[1:22:36] it's a beautiful thing about this country which is interesting which is that yes anyone can become
[1:22:41] an american but you don't become an american by believing in american ideals you become an american
[1:22:45] by having a set of beliefs and then applying to become a citizen and doing it lawfully and legally
[1:22:51] and that is completely not what we have had for the four years before donald so to become an american
[1:22:57] either you're born here or you immigrate here and then you get a legal residence and eventually
[1:23:01] from there you become a citizen if that's the case and that's what we're respecting why is
[1:23:06] stephen miller ordering 3 500 deportations a day and then to do that but a trump administration
[1:23:10] illegally no because so are you saying we're deporting trump tried to remove temporary protected
[1:23:14] status of over 500 000 people who are here legally so that they could reach the 3500 mark if wait
[1:23:20] someone is changing are you saying don't make someone legal status illegal hold on are you that's not
[1:23:25] coming after people you're saying legally you're saying we're deporting legal we're actually
[1:23:29] deporting us citizens we deported a four-year-old kid with lung cancer we deported a 10-year-old
[1:23:34] you're talking about because the father if you're talking about they deported little kid with brain
[1:23:38] cancer you're talking about because the father was illegal and they didn't want to break up the
[1:23:41] family was the kid in american citizen or not by the law of the united states if the kid was born here
[1:23:47] by birthright citizenship then he was but are you sorry why are you deporting an american citizen
[1:23:51] because they were deporting the father why are you reporting the reality is that the kid is an
[1:23:54] american citizen why are you deporting an american citizen unless you're ignoring the material reality
[1:23:58] to separate the father from the child no but if they are receiving medical treatment life-saving
[1:24:03] medication in a first world country granted one of the worst health care situations in the first
[1:24:07] country i think you'd be honest i just want to make sure we're talking about the same case so
[1:24:09] in this specific case you you grant that the father was illegal right we're talking about
[1:24:13] multiple cases there's a four-year-old kid with lung cancer but in that case the father was
[1:24:17] illegal correct from my understanding one of the parents was not documented right so they didn't
[1:24:20] want so they didn't want to break up the family i don't think you would want to do that okay if
[1:24:24] they were actually the best interest of the child why were they withholding medication okay we got
[1:24:28] detention we gotta pause here again the father was illegal they didn't want to break up the family
[1:24:33] we gotta pause here you've been voted out okay listen dave i'm gonna be honest i'm a little
[1:24:41] tired but i'm not the president so i'm not gonna fall asleep okay give me a second let me see you
[1:24:45] so i want to defend the democratic party because did you think that was funny i thought it was
[1:24:49] absolutely hilarious but let's slow down first of all i'm pretty sure you talked a lot of about
[1:24:53] joe biden who's demented but i don't want to talk about that i want to defend the democratic party
[1:24:57] yeah do you not think joe biden had cognitive problems i'm joking i'm joking hold on i'm joking
[1:25:03] the democratic party is you are you an improv or something i'm just curious can we lock in or just
[1:25:08] trying to lock in king listen listen no i'm with you i'm really i'm trying to read what's going on
[1:25:11] the democratic party the left is clearly receptive to the needs of the american people because it's
[1:25:16] shown in the elections it's shown in the candidates that they're giving out if you need zora
[1:25:19] mabdani in new york you'll get it if you need abigail spamberger in virginia you'll get it if you need
[1:25:23] james talarico in texas ossoff in georgia you're going to get it but you know what party hasn't
[1:25:28] changed their mind what party is so crazy that they will go back on their number one campaign promise
[1:25:33] and say affordability is a hoax it's maga and it's evident that hold on a lot of people say trump is
[1:25:39] stupid and i think he's a little dumb but i think he's also malicious reality is what donald trump
[1:25:44] makes and a perfect example is his response to a tragedy when charlie kirk was murdered hours before
[1:25:50] there was even a suspect in custody donald trump blamed half of the electorate nancy mace said the
[1:25:56] democrats own this van orden said that it was the fake news media for peddling these radical points
[1:26:02] you know what aoc said this is a time that we need unity this is the time we need to come together we
[1:26:05] need to deal with political violence the republican party maga uses death as a cudgel to justify the
[1:26:12] unjustifiable and that is denying reality that's making reality whatever you want it to be and people like
[1:26:17] you are corrupted enough to spew it all over social media wow yeah i i yeah i'll respond out of all the
[1:26:25] people i have to say you're the worst like by far because because you're having a trouble a lot of
[1:26:29] trouble responding to things i say you you honestly believe that there is a moral equivalence to the
[1:26:34] tone and tenor of what goes on the right versus what goes on the left did hassan piker who is the
[1:26:40] number one influencer on the left did he not just go on an interview i'll give you two examples he went on
[1:26:45] an interview a couple weeks ago and said that he understands why luigi mangione killed brian thompson
[1:26:51] the united healthcare ceo when you guys open up that pandora's box guess what there's a lot of
[1:26:55] people that don't like your ideology and once you can kind of excuse violence it's coming every which
[1:27:00] way and then it happened again in the new york times interview that he did two weeks ago he said
[1:27:05] the same thing well donald trump a lot of people don't like donald trump so i can kind of understand
[1:27:09] why people might kill him once you guys do that once you go past that red line it literally ends
[1:27:17] the fabric of what this country is because we are allowed to have political disagreements we have deep
[1:27:21] political disagreements i would never tacitly endorse or pretend to condone someone if they tried
[1:27:29] to violently harm you or any of these people but subtly on the left that is being allowed and that is not
[1:27:36] and that simply is not happening on the right that simply is not happening okay we're gonna stop there
[1:27:40] because we're out of time dave we are now at the final portion of the video please look around the
[1:27:47] room choose somebody who you haven't spoken to or who you want to speak to more they will bring their
[1:27:51] own claim and you'll debate for 10 minutes sure i have to say first off i thoroughly enjoyed this
[1:27:55] believe it or not this is what it's this is what it's all about and we can agree to disagree it's what
[1:27:59] my entire career and life have been about so that's just fine there was some odd moments of uh of real
[1:28:04] tension and i could see some real hatred in a couple of the eyes but two that i did not see it
[1:28:09] in were you and you so this is a complete toss-up with the two of you but i actually but i actually
[1:28:14] think our conversation was the most interesting and i think there's the most room to try to get
[1:28:18] something uh on the other side of this so i'd love to bring you back up my surrounded claim is
[1:28:26] trans rights are human rights one of the first initiatives of donald trump in this current
[1:28:32] presidency he put forth an executive order essentially attempting to ban gender-affirming
[1:28:38] health care for people under 19 years of age and when we say under 19 years of age this also includes
[1:28:45] adults who are 18 years old who are old enough to go off and die in a war for oil imperialism in israel
[1:28:52] but they can't make their own health care decisions okay let's do this i love how you guys have to get
[1:28:57] israel into this thing it's like israel is the one place in the middle east that you could go and you
[1:29:00] would be celebrated i couldn't get married there that's actually the truth well they yes they are
[1:29:04] not perfect and no country is but you would be treated equally and with respect and they have
[1:29:08] the biggest lgbt pride parade it's coming up in two weeks you should probably go you might find it quite
[1:29:13] interesting anyway um as far as the the claim i 100 believe that trans rights are human rights or the
[1:29:20] trans people should be treated equally under the law 100 now so what your claim is is about people that
[1:29:25] are under let's say 19 right now that's a different thing if you are going to chemically
[1:29:30] castrate a kid or if you are going to give them hormone blockers or a series of other things when
[1:29:35] they are five six seven twelve when they're in the middle of what wait that's not happening wait wait
[1:29:40] it is happening it is happening or if you are going to literally have schools where they are calling a
[1:29:45] child by a different gender and a different name without alerting the parents etc etc these things are
[1:29:50] happening then i am not for that but however how old are you if you don't mind me asking is that can i i'm
[1:29:56] 39 i ask a lady i'll even use your pronouns because as long as you treat me with respect
[1:30:01] i'll treat you with respect i'm 39 and a half i'll be 40 this summer great and so wait wait so let me
[1:30:05] say something so i want you to be treated under the law with 100 percent equality every single thing
[1:30:12] that i and everyone else in this country should be treated to which is quality of opportunity and
[1:30:17] equality under law you should be treated i'm not that interested in talking about my sexuality it's
[1:30:21] it's actually a very unimportant part of my life in a weird way and and maybe that's because i'll be
[1:30:27] 50 next month and and as time goes by you realize you just are who you are and you do the best you
[1:30:31] can in the world right and but i understand feeling i grew up in a time when there was no gay marriage
[1:30:37] and i and when i was a kid for however confused i was or anything else there was no i never thought
[1:30:42] about the future because it wasn't even a thing like there was literally no future and then and then magic
[1:30:47] happened over time and we got equal rights i have been married for god it's a long time now i've been
[1:30:53] married for about 13 years my husband and i've been together for 15 years we're in 100 monogamous
[1:30:57] relationship we have two of the most incredible kids who i want to grow up with the most amount of
[1:31:02] respect and love and who are safe and cherished and all of those wonderful things as i hope if you
[1:31:06] want you you will get in your life too the reason i mention that is because the difference between
[1:31:13] equal rights for everybody everybody versus what you might do to a child are very different things
[1:31:20] if there is a child who i suspect when you were a young kid how old were you when you thought you
[1:31:25] were in the in the i was five i was five years old five years old okay i realized that i was a trans
[1:31:29] person okay okay i i can i can accept that can i also ask how old you were when you uh realized that
[1:31:34] you were gay i mean i came out very late for a series of other reasons are you still gay only after 10
[1:31:41] p.m so i don't know what time it is right now oh look i made him laugh there you go you know okay
[1:31:45] wait wait i'm not wait hold on i'm really i think i'm granting you an awful lot here um the the only
[1:31:51] thing that i would say related to a five-year-old who is having gender dysphoria or whatever term you
[1:31:57] want to apply it to is that you should wait until the child can make those decisions properly for
[1:32:03] themselves that your brain at five was not developed enough to do it and there was so much social
[1:32:09] pressure over the last couple years to trans kids abigail schreier wrote an incredible book
[1:32:15] about this that a certain amount of it is a social contagion that is true that is empirically
[1:32:20] true i'm not saying it was you right i'm not i'm friends with blair white i believe that blair
[1:32:25] is i believe that blair was biologically a male and believes that she and i will call her she because
[1:32:32] she treats me with respect and i'll treat her with respect that she transitioned when the time was
[1:32:37] right the issue for most people on the right is about the kids i can tell you this you know it's
[1:32:42] funny because a lot of you tried to use my sexuality against me yeah i'll get there listen a lot of you
[1:32:47] tried to use my sexuality against me and i can tell and it's interesting because you guys also think
[1:32:51] sexuality is very important right so you would think i would have i would have been afforded as
[1:32:56] someone that travels in circles that you guys don't i go to republican things and i i have to traverse
[1:33:01] that a little bit and it can be tricky at times but i've shown republicans that you can be a decent
[1:33:06] human being who who can have a family and be monogamous that that job i really appreciate you
[1:33:11] being kind we're we're less than five now and i have not really had a moment to speak yeah so so
[1:33:15] again i'm just making the point between children and adults i want you to have exactly what i'm
[1:33:19] gonna respond to right now i appreciate your kindness i appreciate you not misgendering me
[1:33:23] i appreciate you treating me like i'm just a regular human being and that's what trans people are
[1:33:27] we're just regular human beings with the same struggles trying to get through this life actually more
[1:33:31] struggles because we have this whole group of people who want to take away our rights uh as
[1:33:36] somebody who's been an elected so can you let me finish what right let me speak but what right
[1:33:40] i'm just asking right now as somebody who's been an elected official in los angeles since 2019
[1:33:45] every single year i've seen more and more and more anti-lgbtqia bills moving across the federal
[1:33:51] legislature uh and across state legislatures all across the u.s and when i say anti-lgbtqia bills what i
[1:33:57] actually mean is anti-trans bills bills that are trying to limit our existence in society
[1:34:02] bills that are trying to limit uh how we can receive health care how we can make our own
[1:34:05] autonomous health care decisions how we can even participate in going to the bathroom we all have
[1:34:10] to take a shit and that is something we should be able to do freely and privately without somebody
[1:34:15] recording us in the bathroom and trying to make us go viral and make it seem like we are the predators
[1:34:20] now you describe uh this idea of five-year-olds being chemically castrated here's the thing
[1:34:25] uh you cannot compare a five-year-old who is going to perhaps socially transition and wants to go by
[1:34:31] uh a name that is opposite of the gender they were assigned at birth or want to wear clothes that are
[1:34:36] different five-year-olds are not receiving any sort of medical transition and so you say that they
[1:34:41] should wait and that's true and that's exactly why puberty blockers are prescribed to uh teenagers that
[1:34:47] are about to go through puberty uh and how old is that would you say i would say anywhere from probably
[1:34:53] maybe like 10 11 12. and here's the thing but do you think everybody blockers have been to know the
[1:34:59] full yes i do the full ramifications of what they're doing yes it has puberty blockers interesting
[1:35:04] puberty blockers have been around for over 30 years they've been prescribed to kids who are
[1:35:09] experiencing precocious puberty and yet this has never been an issue for the rights it is only an issue
[1:35:15] for the rights when somebody decides oh i'm i'm trans and they together with their family and their
[1:35:21] physicians want to make that decision so they're not getting surgery at 10 years old they're taking
[1:35:27] puberty blockers to make that decision over time with their family and their physicians there is
[1:35:32] no reason why you or the president of the united states should be able to decide what is right for
[1:35:36] somebody's health care for an individual for somebody else's child unless you are their doctor or
[1:35:41] their parents okay so listen i have a couple fundamental disagreements with that when it comes to
[1:35:49] minors but the issue is about trans rights or human rights so we can trans people are just
[1:35:54] proportionately unhoused disproportionately experience housing discrimination healthcare
[1:35:58] discrimination again again if you if you well on the books we are legal hold on we are actually
[1:36:03] discriminating experiencing discrimination every single day in every realm of society yeah you know
[1:36:08] i've just i've experienced discrimination i'm gonna guess almost everyone here in in some way has
[1:36:11] something that they've been discriminated against or judged upon or something else what you have in america
[1:36:16] is equal equality under the law and and you have an opportunity we don't when republicans are trying
[1:36:21] to legislate against us but tell me so you as an adult what law is stopping you from doing anything
[1:36:27] that that another person cannot do that literally anyone in this room cannot do see this is the thing
[1:36:32] is you were trying to hide behind this idea of the law no but but i mean that the reality is laws are not
[1:36:37] protecting trans people if they were trans people would not be disproportionately unemployed
[1:36:41] unhoused what would you what would you like what would you like the law to do for you again the
[1:36:46] law can guarantee equality it can't guarantee protection right so yes it certainly can so what
[1:36:53] would you like the law to do for you i would like the law to protect trans people and it's not the
[1:36:59] law our legislators are actively legislating against us again if there was a law if you can point me
[1:37:06] to a law that was discriminating against trans adults they can't get a job they can't whatever
[1:37:12] then i just did at the beginning of this debate donald trump is trying to ban gender-affirming
[1:37:17] health care for people who are 18 you're talking about minors you're talking about minors i think
[1:37:20] 18 years aren't minors they can go off and die in a war but for some reason they can't make their
[1:37:24] own autonomous health care decisions according to donald trump okay listen when we're talking about
[1:37:30] young people it's a different thing exactly and these are not your young people they're not his young
[1:37:34] people these are no five-year-old is walking into a medical office and getting puberty blockers
[1:37:40] without the consent of their parent or their but you so you don't think there's any element of social
[1:37:45] contagion over the last 10 years i don't and even if there is that's okay because there's nothing wrong
[1:37:50] with being trans and if somebody decides to detransition that's okay but they can't tell everybody
[1:37:54] else that they're not allowed to transition again i think we're sort of splitting hairs on this that we're
[1:37:59] we're agreeing to disagree on perhaps we're agreeing to disagree on the uh underage portion of it but
[1:38:05] again as how many times have you seen how many times have you seen people on the rights make fun
[1:38:10] of trans people because uh especially trans women because they look like a man but well you know but
[1:38:16] you're allowed to prevent them by allowing them to go through puberty blockers and to make their own
[1:38:20] autonomous health care decisions yeah but okay so have have we whittled this down to some people make
[1:38:26] jokes about people do they do they make jokes about people they're not just joking they're trying
[1:38:30] to legislate against our very existence your friend michael knowles at cpac said that we need to
[1:38:35] eradicate transgenderism in society that is a direct threat to me my neighbors my friends and family okay
[1:38:42] i promise you this i promise you this if michael knowles or anyone else starts pushing for legislation
[1:38:48] that will jail you or stop you from getting a job or any of the other freedoms that we all enjoy
[1:38:55] i promise you i will be on your side of that so i can't wait to be on your show soon
[1:39:01] all right then there we go thanks for chatting dave tune in this wednesday for a follow-up
[1:39:09] conversation where i'll talk to some of the cast from this episode and we'll dig deeper into some
[1:39:13] of the moments that happened here if you agree with dave's prompts or you disagree let us know in the
[1:39:18] comments and keep the discussion going there but we just ask that you acknowledge the humanity of all
[1:39:22] the participants thank you for watching we'll see you next time i think that the disconnect between
[1:39:27] the online world and the real world is getting larger and larger and so that what was why i kind
[1:39:32] of wanted to do this in the first place because i was like you know i exist in the online world
[1:39:36] i talk to a lot of people that i enjoy talking to but it's hard to talk to lefties i think dave
[1:39:41] totally misses the ball in that he completely buys into republican framing especially economic issues
[1:39:49] and doesn't understand that things like government regulation are empirically shown to
[1:39:55] better the lives of the people that they intend to better i think dave um all love was incredibly
[1:40:02] mediocre and i don't know if he's fallen victim to or he's willingfully doing this but it's clear that
[1:40:08] he's either fallen victim to the maga agenda or the money instability is too nice for him to ever
[1:40:12] actually change his position and really appeal to the needs and desires of the american people the left
[1:40:17] does not want to concede to maga every single time you give them an inch they take a mile so i guess this
[1:40:22] pattern of them operating in bad faith has made it so our elected officials a lot of people on social
[1:40:26] media etc are very hesitant to give them ground because who knows what they're going to do with
[1:40:32] it but if these guys would just tone it down a little bit they have no idea what conservatives
[1:40:36] think they have no idea how generous and kind and decent most conservatives are and that they want
[1:40:42] the same things at the end of trump's second term there may be a desire for something a little more
[1:40:48] normal and i say that as a trump supporter right like i think he was he was necessary we needed him
[1:40:54] to break something that we all could kind of see and i think there could be a moment after this things
[1:41:00] start feeling a little more the way we thought politics were