MAGA Debate Their Hot Takes

[0:00] happens when the biggest disagreements happen within the same community. [0:03] The right must commit to traditional marriage and having at least 10 kids. [0:07] Basically, wanting a lot of kids is seen as absurd. [0:09] To be valued as a woman, you have to become a sexy man. [0:12] But I want a different culture for my future family. [0:14] Let Trump run a third term, repeal the 22nd Amendment. [0:17] Since when is monarchy inherently a bad thing? [0:20] Democracy can be a bad thing as well. [0:22] Let's just be honest, this is delusional. [0:24] MAGA has become a party of hypocrites. [0:26] It's one of those things where... [0:27] She's headed to study. [0:28] Can I finish something, or are you going to keep going? [0:30] Just answer my question. [0:31] Today, nine people from one identity group will debate their hottest takes with each other. [0:36] Everyone will get to choose a side, defend their beliefs, and maybe even change each other's minds. [0:40] I'm Sheila Ave from Jubilee Media, and this is Hot Takes. [0:44] Who's ready to share their hot take? [0:49] Please, have a seat. [0:52] Hi, I'm Julia Cates, and my hot take is to win the culture war. [0:56] The right must commit to traditional marriage and having at least 10 kids. [1:00] If we agree, stand on orange. [1:02] If we disagree, stand on black. [1:04] Ready? [1:05] Three, two, one, go. [1:08] Who is ready to debate this hot take? [1:19] Three, two, one, go. [1:21] So, my first... [1:26] There's kind of two parts here. [1:28] So, first is like the traditional marriage, and then there's also the have 10 kids. [1:32] Um, blew my mind. [1:35] So, when it comes to having 10 kids, can you explain to me why specifically you landed on the number 10? [1:41] Yes, because right now, we are heading towards below replacement, and I believe that we need to start having more babies, or there's not going to be an economy to even talk about. [1:50] And I want to ask you a question. [1:51] Do you realize that the sexual revolution was a highly coordinated spiritual attack designed to eliminate the authority of the father, so that the state could control the population? [1:59] I believe we fix it by reclaiming the patriarchy and committing to traditional homes that the state cannot touch. [2:05] Because as conservatives, it has to go beyond just knowing what a woman is. [2:09] We need to actually celebrate what a woman does. [2:11] Okay, that was like 30 different things mixed all into one thing. [2:15] So, let's start first and foremost. [2:17] So, you said about replacement rate. [2:18] My biggest pet peeve is, first of all, can we all agree some people either should not have kids, or just in general, if that's not their stage in life, they shouldn't have them. [2:27] If they shouldn't have kids, then they shouldn't have premarital sex. [2:30] Who said they were having premarital sex? [2:32] Well, in whatever case, but if you're married, then I believe we should celebrate the sacredness of intimacy in the marriage covenant, which is the one biological act designed to bring life into this world. [2:42] Do you know that the reason our economy is so bad today is because one-third of our population is not here. [2:48] We killed our babies. [2:49] We would have 45 more million people in the workforce. [2:51] Okay, I'm going to pause real quick. [2:52] Do you have kids? [2:53] No. [2:54] Are you married? [2:54] No. [2:55] As somebody that is married, does not have kids yet, one thing I do have to say is right now also, you have to remember that there is a current situation where a majority of the time, as far as traditional goes, it's very difficult to have a two-income household, not have a two-income household, and be able to live within what is considered like reasonable means. [3:14] So be able to afford a house, be able to actually have a decent income, which then gives you insurance and everything else. [3:20] So my biggest pet peeve with that as a whole is not necessarily being traditional because if that is your cup of tea, good for you. [3:28] I could not. [3:28] And it's one of those things where I've seen it work out for women, but I've also seen it really draw a detriment to women's value from a standpoint of if you really put it together, right, if women stay home, they do the kids, they clean the house, the chef, everything else, all of that financial value that they're not necessarily making an income, it's still more valuable potentially than sometimes what is being brought in from an income standpoint. [3:51] So it used to be that our households could survive off of one income, and actually with the mass of women entering the workforce, we're now at this place, like you said, where we need two just to stay above water. [4:02] But actually, if we care about the economy, the biggest thing is that the children that do the best are in two-parent households where they have an involved father. [4:10] And I believe that the father is the head of the household, whether or not he even takes that responsibility, something that really matters to me. [4:16] So even if he's a dunce, he still gets to take over and do everything he wants? [4:19] No, what I'm saying is, can I give you some statistics on what I'm talking about? [4:22] Can I just finish? I let you finish, I just like the same fact. [4:25] I understand, but what I'm saying is, as somebody, right? [4:27] I understand. [4:28] Right, you understand, but you didn't listen. [4:30] So my biggest pet peeve, again, is that you're putting more holds on a traditional household, right? [4:37] Because it's what works. [4:39] I beg to differ. [4:41] I'm going to finish. [4:41] So women are actually happiest in a traditional household, and children do the best. [4:45] So you can look at this study from 2023, Melissa Kearney, the single greatest divider in the American economy is not race or geography, it's marriage. [4:52] It's having a father involved. [4:53] If you look at a family where only the mother takes the children to church, the father does not, those children have a 2% chance of going to church later in life. [5:00] If the father takes them, but the mother does not, they have a 44 to 67% likelihood. [5:05] Okay, well, I'm going to, hold on, hold on, hold on, because what I'm saying is, I don't, I don't come from a church background. [5:10] So I don't know necessarily church and everything else. [5:13] But what I do know is a majority of the Christians and people of that denomination that I do know, they're, you know, as far as their involvement within that realm, it doesn't depend on how often they go to church. [5:23] Most of them believe it's that one-on-one relationship between themselves and God, not necessarily themselves and whether or not they go to church, they showed up, they went on Easter and all that extra stuff. [5:32] Okay, so I showed you the statistics, but would you agree with me that every child needs a mother and father involved? [5:37] And so... [5:38] Well, I mean, not necessarily, because I mean... [5:40] Yes, actually, statistically, they do... [5:41] But when I'm, okay, well, then does it matter if the father is abusive? [5:45] Does it matter if the mother uses drugs? [5:47] Of course, all those things matter, but I'm saying if a father is lazy and he gives the spiritual responsibility... [5:52] It matters, just not enough to make a difference. [5:53] No, what I'm saying is that we need good men to stand up to take responsibility and sacrifice. [5:58] The left thinks male leadership is about power and privilege. [6:00] No, it's about sacrifice, leadership, and responsibility. [6:03] Okay, well, you're not talking to the left. [6:05] I understand, but it's a leftist talking point wrapped in a conservative flag. [6:08] And that's the thing. [6:09] It's really not, though. [6:10] We need to take back the culture. [6:10] It's really not. [6:11] It's very, very... [6:11] Hold on, hold on, because it's very, very simple. [6:13] If you want to give a cleaner version of leftism, we're going to... [6:16] It's going to collapse. [6:17] People don't want to compromise. [6:19] They want a standard. [6:20] I grew up right here in LA under Gavin Newsalini, so I know how destructive progressivism is. [6:24] Basically, wanting a lot of kids is seen as absurd. [6:27] To be valued as a woman, you have to become a sexy man. [6:29] But I want a different culture for my future family, which is why I'm 23. [6:33] I'm saving my first kiss for my wedding day, and I believe I have not missed out on anything. [6:37] And that if we can prioritize the family, we can change the future. [6:40] Okay, and I hear you. [6:41] Okay, I hear you 100%. [6:43] I got engaged when I was 19, married at 20. [6:46] Have been married, will be married six years this month. [6:49] So it's one of those things where you don't necessarily have to have all these kids and [6:54] do all these things to not only have a successful marriage, but I think the other thing that [6:58] you are kind of missing is the fact that rates as far as employment and pay and everything [7:03] else just haven't kept up with the rising inflation and the cost of living. [7:06] That is a whole separate thing that if we solve that could potentially help both of us [7:11] as far as from the standpoint of you have to have 10 kids, because I'm gonna tell you [7:15] right now, biologically, it would be difficult. [7:17] It would be a bit difficult, but it would be entirely possible. [7:20] You actually need intervention to prevent yourself from having 10 kids, then the other [7:23] way around. [7:24] How do you have 10 kids without being neglectful to some of them? [7:26] That's less than spending one day targeted at one kid. [7:29] If a woman can run an entire large business, why couldn't I, as a mother, devote myself to [7:34] each of my 10 kids? [7:35] You definitely could. [7:36] I'm just saying it would be difficult. [7:37] It's difficult if the woman's also expected to bring in the bacon. [7:41] If the man brings in the bacon, the woman can cook the bacon, the children can eat the [7:44] bacon. [7:44] It's as simple as that. [7:45] I mean, I kind of understand what you're saying, and that works out for some people. [7:48] What I'm saying is that is not realistic for a lot of people. [7:50] And you have to admit that there are some people that do fall within the line of like [7:54] still having those traditional beliefs, but not following that traditional outline, right? [7:59] Yeah. [7:59] There's people who want that, but feel like they can't because of societal pressures, but it's [8:02] entirely possible, both biologically. [8:04] Is it societal pressures or is it realistic? [8:06] And actually, economically, economically, it's ever realistic. [8:08] Challenger, you've been voted off. [8:10] Thank you. [8:10] Great to meet you. [8:12] Who wants to challenge this hot take next? [8:14] Three, two, one, go. [8:17] Hi, what's your name? [8:17] Hi there, I'm Gerard. [8:18] Nice to meet you. [8:19] Julia Kate, great to meet you. [8:20] All right, so here's where I'm coming at your point from. [8:22] I think that it's like a cute ideal, but it's kind of a pipe dream. [8:25] Okay, so currently, there's two reasons why it's not going to work. [8:28] One is economically in the current system, it's not feasible for about 90% of families to do what [8:33] you're suggesting. [8:33] It'd be nice if it was, but it's not. [8:35] Secondly, you're really addressing a symptom and not a cause, because America had traditional [8:40] marriage, and we had people having 10 kids for a long time, and then our culture got [8:44] subverted anyways. [8:45] So clearly, what you're suggesting is not going to fix the culture. [8:47] You need to figure out what subverted us in the first place. [8:49] What subverted us was feminism and the sexual revolution. [8:52] How were they able to do that? [8:53] Because they're teaching us to stop ourselves from having children, to delay our child rate, [8:58] and that's why we're going below replacement. [9:00] So if you want to talk about the economy, we used to. [9:01] How did they take control of that, though? [9:03] Because they're indoctrinating people. [9:04] People think that children are a curse, a liability, when actually they're the biggest [9:07] blessing. [9:08] I agree. [9:08] And so what? [9:09] You sacrifice some vacations. [9:10] It's worth it. [9:11] And what I'm trying to say is, what you mentioned was, we stopped having a lot of kids. [9:15] Now the economy is harder. [9:16] Now there's both parents working, and you have to have two incomes just to stay above water. [9:20] That's very true, but that's not entirely just due to women entering the workplace. [9:24] It's also due to mass immigration allowing wages to be driven down. [9:26] So I don't agree with illegal immigration. [9:29] Do you agree with mass legal immigration? [9:30] If we just gave papers to 100 million illegal immigrants that we have in America right now, [9:34] that would solve your problem, right? [9:35] They wouldn't be illegal, right? [9:37] No, what I believe is as Americans, we need to start having our own babies, because you [9:40] know what happens when the immigrants come into our country? [9:42] A generation later, they're indoctrinated by feminism, and their daughters are not having [9:46] babies. [9:46] So we still have the demographic consequence of going below replacement level. [9:50] Right, and what I'm trying to ask you is, how were the feminists able to indoctrinate [9:53] people into these beliefs? [9:54] So in the 70s, you described that there was a sexual revolution. [9:57] Why? [9:57] How did that happen? [9:59] Because I would say because of sin, because they want to eliminate the authority of the [10:02] father. [10:03] They want the government to be our daddy. [10:05] They don't want us to have good fathers. [10:06] They want us to go on the welfare. [10:08] How they did it was through the education system, through the movies, through all the things [10:12] where you see. [10:12] Through the movie? [10:13] Yeah. [10:13] Through the entertainment industry. [10:14] What movies are you talking about? [10:15] I mean, look at the movie from 9 to 5. [10:16] Any movie you look at, the dad is portrayed as a dud. [10:20] What year was that movie? [10:20] I mean, since the sexual, are you, wait for feminism? [10:23] What are you advocating for? [10:24] I'm not, I'm asking, no, I'm asking you, you said in the 60s, 70s, the sexual revolution [10:28] came and did all these problems. [10:29] I'm asking you, how did that happen? [10:31] You're saying it's the movies, but can you, like what movies? [10:33] I'm saying there's so much with the media, with the entertainment industry, with the education [10:35] system. [10:36] We're taught that our own biology is a punishment, and our laws used to actually cherish our biology. [10:41] We used to be protected from long work hours, from lifting heavy things, but women. [10:45] I'm sorry, debaters, time is up. [10:47] Thank you. [10:48] That's it? [10:48] Okay. [10:49] Great to debate you. [10:50] Nice to meet you. [10:51] My name is Jacob Valach. [10:56] My hot take, let Trump run a third term, repeal the 22nd Amendment. [11:02] If you agree, stand on orange. [11:04] If you disagree, stand on black. [11:06] Ready? [11:06] Three, two, one, go. [11:12] I knew this was going to happen. [11:13] I knew you guys were going to disagree. [11:15] All right. [11:15] Who wants to debate this hot take? [11:17] In three, two, one, go. [11:19] My man, what's going on? [11:21] How are you doing? [11:22] Good to see you. [11:23] All right. [11:23] So, I mean, let's just be honest. [11:25] This is delusional, this take. [11:26] Like, how old is Donald Trump? [11:29] He's in his late 80s, I believe. [11:31] Late 80s? [11:31] Come on, man. [11:32] No, no, he's not in his late 80s. [11:33] He's not that old. [11:33] He's over 80. [11:34] He's over 80. [11:35] He's old, is my point. [11:36] Okay, like, I'm not saying we can't have a similar person, but Donald Trump, like, do you [11:40] have like a game plan? [11:41] Are you going to put him on a golden throne and sacrifice a thousand litards a day to like feed [11:45] his soul? [11:45] Like, what are you doing? [11:46] What are we doing? [11:47] So, I want to, so, yeah, so here's the thing. [11:49] I want to, I threw in the let Trump run a third term because I knew it would kind of spice [11:52] it up a little bit. [11:53] But in reality, if you go back to the verbiage of my claim, I said, let Trump run a third [11:57] term, not Trump should serve a third term. [11:59] My main opinion is that the 22nd Amendment should be repealed. [12:02] You're going to get like a Barack Obama third term then. [12:05] So, we let Trump run a third term. [12:06] Let's play this out, okay? [12:07] We're going to let Trump run a third term. [12:09] He's going to win the primary because he does really well in the primaries. [12:11] Barack Obama is going to go to the Dems who right now don't have a great [12:14] candidate for 2028 and you're going to get Obama's third term. [12:17] Is that the outcome you really want? [12:18] Would you prefer an Obama third term or an AOC first term? [12:22] Neither. [12:23] How about we pick someone on the Republican side that's not like 85? [12:25] Who would have a better chance on the Republican side than Donald Trump? [12:27] I mean, right now, I think we've got J.D. Vance. [12:29] We've got Marco Rubio. [12:30] I'll take Tucker Carlson. [12:31] I don't care anymore. [12:31] I just, I don't have to pick between AOC and Barack Obama. [12:35] You'd take Tucker, Tucker Carlson? [12:37] Over, over AOC or Barack Obama? [12:39] No, but I'm saying within the Republican, within the Republican Party, you're choosing Tucker Carlson. [12:42] No, you asked me who had a good chance. [12:43] I'm just saying like people who have a realistic chance. [12:45] Oh, who had a good chance. [12:45] Okay. [12:45] I mischaracterized what you were saying. [12:47] I get it. [12:47] No, I do like Tucker. [12:48] No, let me be clear. [12:48] I'm not disavowing Tucker. [12:49] Like I do, I do fuck with Tucker, but. [12:51] Okay. [12:51] So specifically for the idea, let's say you put aside the current political, you know, sphere. [12:56] Just on the 22nd Amendment originally. [12:58] Okay. [12:59] The reason that I believe that it should be repealed, it goes back to the arguments of [13:03] Ronald Reagan. [13:04] I think a lot of, many of you, or all of you, I'd assume are conservative based on the prompt. [13:07] A lot of conservatives, when they were reading up and figuring out who they were politically, [13:12] they came across Ronald Reagan. [13:13] And this is what he campaigned on during the end of his second term. [13:17] And his idea is mine, which is, you know, we're a constitutional republic and we pride [13:21] ourselves on democratic principles. [13:22] And I cannot think of anything more anti-democratic than the government telling the people they [13:27] can't re-elect somebody that they want. [13:29] You can't? [13:30] What about like life appointments for Supreme Court justices? [13:32] Isn't that more? [13:32] I'm talking, I'm talking about the head of the, of the executive branch, the president [13:36] of the United States. [13:37] So, okay. [13:37] The commander in chief. [13:38] This one specific niche thing is not sufficiently democratic for your liking? [13:42] Correct. [13:42] I mean, why not? [13:43] I wouldn't say the presidency of the United States is niche. [13:46] Well, but no, I'm saying. [13:47] He's the commander in chief. [13:47] But there's like a ton of undemocratic things in our government because we're actually not a democracy, [13:51] right? [13:51] We're a constitutional republic. [13:52] So it's fine to have anti-democratic measures. [13:54] We have dozens of them, right? [13:55] We have the fact the president has to be 35. [13:57] That's anti-democratic. [13:58] What if the people want to elect a 30-year-old? [14:00] I think, I think, I think there's a substantial difference between the characteristics of somebody [14:04] who is eligible, eligible to run their age, meaning their competency, or also, you know, [14:09] coming from a different country, you have to be born in the United States, your loyalty. [14:13] No, but I think, I think that's significantly different from being able to elect somebody who [14:17] has already proven that they're eligible under the, uh, under the confines that were already [14:21] distinguished by our country. [14:22] So I don't- [14:23] One of the confines is you can't have been president twice. [14:25] It's, how is that different than 35 born in America, can't have been president twice? [14:29] I'll tell, I'll tell, I'll tell you the difference. [14:31] The difference is that the 22nd amendment was passed after 175 years of our country's history. [14:37] That means 70% of American history did not have the 22nd amendment. [14:40] This is a relatively new thing that's been added to our government. [14:43] It was, it was ratified in February of 1951 by, and I'm going to, I'm going to bash my [14:48] own party here. [14:48] The Republicans were pissed off that FDR served, he won four different terms. [14:53] He got us out of the great depression. [14:54] He took us through almost all the whole- [14:55] But for polio, he would have become like the American Caesar. [14:58] Like he was going to take over the entire country. [15:00] Polio did us a solid on that one. [15:02] Hot take. [15:03] But like, that's why we did it. [15:05] Okay, pause, challenger, you have been voted off. [15:07] All right. [15:07] Thank you. [15:08] Great talking to you about that. [15:09] Good line to go out on. [15:11] Okay, who's ready to debate this hot take in three, two, one, run. [15:15] My man, what's going on? [15:18] What's going on about yourself, man? [15:19] Good, bro. [15:20] Talk to me. [15:21] So, Trump currently has health issues. [15:24] I feel like it's been in the media going around. [15:26] Might just be biased, because they do hate Trump. [15:28] But I feel like letting him get a third term, it might open up a can of worms, and it might [15:33] open up to four terms. [15:34] It might be five terms. [15:35] And I don't want that to happen. [15:38] Like I said, he's too old. [15:39] What's the problem with that if we're the one that decide he gets a fourth and a fifth [15:42] term? [15:42] Because I think we need term limits in Congress. [15:45] We have people, what, 80 years old? [15:46] We have what? [15:47] But I'm not talking about, I'm talking about the presidency, the commander in chief that [15:50] goes and handles issues that we have with other countries, handles a lot of the issues [15:54] that we have facing domestically. [15:56] So, speaking about the presidency specifically, I would argue the main criticism, which you're [16:04] kind of saying here, is that you're scared that it's going to turn into a monarchy, essentially. [16:07] They're going to be a king because they're going to keep getting elected. [16:10] I would actually argue, since when is monarchy inherently a bad thing? [16:15] Democracy can be a bad thing as well. [16:17] I think a monarchy can turn bad if it turns into a tyrannical regime, for sure. [16:22] But monarchy is not inherently bad, but that's aside from the point. [16:26] The main point that I'm trying to make here is that it wouldn't be a monarchy, because [16:29] in monarchies, you don't have elections every four years where the people decide. [16:32] In a monarchy, a king is either born into their kingship or they take it through war [16:36] and they establish themselves, and they live until the end of their life. [16:39] That's not, before term limits in the 22nd Amendment, we already had term limits and [16:43] they were elections. [16:44] That's what they were. [16:45] It was the people who got to choose who governed them and for how long. [16:48] And instead, the government took that away and said, no, we're going to choose how long [16:51] you can have this guy, even if you absolutely love him. [16:53] And I disagree with that. [16:54] So yeah, I agree. [16:55] There's pros and cons. [16:55] It could be a good thing. [16:56] It could be a bad thing. [16:57] But do you think on his second term, do you think he would be elected again? [17:01] In Trump's second term? [17:02] I mean, third term, yeah. [17:03] Do you think he would be elected again? [17:04] Yeah, but my, but my, I mean, look, I can, I can give my Trump defenses all day long, [17:07] but I'm going, I'm going to the, the crux of my claim that the 22nd Amendment [17:11] specifically should be repealed. [17:12] Let me ask you a question. [17:13] If currently right now you just had this total right-wing gigachad who had every, every single [17:19] opinion possible that you could agree with, and he put, he made Iran a dumpster fire. [17:23] He made China look like they were a, he did everything right. [17:26] He was just a straight Chad. [17:28] Would you still be opposed to repealing the 22nd Amendment? [17:31] Because, because right now you're, you're just talking about Trump, Trump, Trump. [17:34] What if we took Trump out of the equation? [17:35] Right. [17:36] Because I was calling for a repeal of the 22nd Amendment when Biden was president. [17:39] You know, I'm, I'm, I'm, I'm on my public social media saying, oh. [17:42] Okay, pause. [17:43] Hot take debater. [17:44] You are voted off. [17:45] Wow. [17:45] Off of my own claim. [17:46] Thank you. [17:47] Hey, great talking to you, bro. [17:48] You too, brother. [17:50] Debaters, the hot seat is open in three, two, one, run. [17:57] Hey, brother. [17:58] Nice to meet you. [17:58] Doing good. [17:59] Good to see you. [18:00] So, uh, yeah, Trump 2028, man, I'm for it. [18:03] And the reason I say that is because we have senators, we have representatives who don't [18:08] have term limits. [18:09] They can just keep running, running, running. [18:10] So why not instill that for really the most important office in the United States, which [18:14] is the president of the United States. [18:16] He's the chief officer. [18:17] And if the people want it, why shouldn't the people be able to have it? [18:22] The difference between a monarchy and the United States of America is the United States [18:26] of America is beautiful because the power belongs to the people. [18:29] Trump, I wouldn't call him a dictator if he ran for a third term because it's the people [18:33] who would elect them. [18:34] He has to get through a lot of hoops in order to become that third president. [18:37] I don't think he would make it a third term. [18:38] He's way too, I think we need age limits and we need most definitely need term limits, even [18:41] for Congress, for both. [18:43] Because who's been off like the past month? [18:45] I forgot his name. [18:46] You also got to think, you also got to remember that Trump got the second election stolen from [18:50] him. [18:50] So, I mean, if we were really a powerful country and we were fair, we would give that election [18:54] back to him and let him finish what needs to be done because there's no way that [18:58] Trump can do what he's promised in four years. [19:00] I mean, the first four years he was getting somewhere. [19:03] But then that second term when he started to run, they turned everything that he was [19:07] doing around, back on itself, and he essentially has to start over the second term, which is [19:13] if he would have got those two consecutive terms, he would have been able to get a lot [19:16] more done. [19:17] But because he got that second one taken away from him, would you agree that Joe Biden's [19:21] election was stolen? [19:22] I believe, honestly, the Republicans are star losers for what happened during the Capitol. [19:27] So you don't believe it was stolen? [19:28] Pause. [19:29] Challenger, you've been voted off. [19:30] Thank you. [19:32] Thank you, man. [19:34] Now, who's ready to take on this hot take? [19:36] In three, two, one, go. [19:39] Oh, hey. [19:40] My rebuttal is Obama. [19:42] Okay. [19:42] All you need is someone like Obama and, let's face it, especially with the black demographic, [19:47] he would have been like, he could have gotten going and going and going. [19:50] So how do you protect against that where someone's largely popular, not even for their policies, [19:53] but because of their skin color or because of their, you know, it's whatever. [19:57] Yeah, but let's take Obama, for example. [19:59] What if the people decided that Obama was a good president and they want him to keep going? [20:03] Sure, but what if, what if, like, to let's take Obama, a lot of people are not happy with him. [20:07] And most people that did elect him didn't even know his policies. [20:10] They went around like, oh, do you like this policy of his, this policy of his, and they just said, oh, yeah, we love him, [20:13] when it wasn't his policies. [20:15] The truth is, he was picked because he is a biracial man who identifies as a black man. [20:21] Okay, let's look at, let's look at. [20:22] What happens when we get in a situation like that, again, where someone's like very popular, [20:25] but like they're not, not for the right reasons. [20:28] I hear you. [20:29] How'd you get, how'd you get? [20:29] I hear you. [20:30] It could be dangerous if everybody keeps voting for the same person again and again and again. [20:33] But he mentioned FDR earlier. [20:36] When it comes to like the situation that we're in in America, we're in a crisis. [20:39] Would you agree that America's in a crisis? [20:41] Some of the arguments you may have been great. [20:42] Like, I agree that like four term, four, four years is a small term to do, like, especially nowadays, [20:47] because of the fact that we were in a global battle. [20:49] And look how much we want it fixed. [20:51] We want America to be great again, right? [20:53] This is our chance. [20:54] Hold on. [20:55] I don't disagree with you with the caveat that in a perfect system, that would be fantastic, [21:00] where the people would keep electing great people. [21:03] But again, all you have to have is someone like Obama or whatever, that like people don't even, [21:06] they just vote for him because they want to be like, yeah, we have a black president. [21:09] And where you can cheat the systems, where you can cheat the rigging or whatever. [21:16] Obviously, there is some voter fraud. [21:17] But I'm not going to say like, I would agree that Trump probably unfairly lost that election [21:22] for the square fact alone that Mark Zuckerberg admitted that his pressure, him being pressured [21:28] to censor all the Hunter Biden laptop made Trump look crazy and a lot of people that alone. [21:33] But what I would love to see happen is I'd love for Trump to go as like vice president [21:37] with like Rubio or something. [21:38] I think that would like kill everybody, every like the left, but it's not legal. [21:42] And then he'd be helping out. [21:43] And there's nothing that you could do about it. [21:44] Well, it's kind of like what Obama did during Joe Biden's term. [21:47] I mean, to be fair, I think it goes higher than that. [21:49] Now we're agreeing. [21:49] I think it goes higher than that. [21:50] I think people pulled his Obama strings. [21:52] I don't think he was... [21:53] How about this? [21:53] And time is up. [21:55] Thank you, creators. [21:57] My name is Chrissy. [22:02] And my hot take is that the MAGA movement is becoming more and more hateful towards the LGBT community. [22:07] If you agree, stand on orange. [22:09] If you disagree, stand on black. [22:11] In three, two, one, go. [22:13] Gosh, I'm going to get killed. [22:20] Who's ready to take on this hot take? [22:22] In three, two, one, go. [22:24] All right. [22:26] Hi. [22:27] Hi, I was hoping it'd be you. [22:29] So what we were saying earlier, why do you feel that way? [22:33] Well, personally, just as someone who's obviously trans, I have seen a very big decline and very big shift in judgment. [22:40] I feel a long, not even too long ago, I'd say even like three, four years ago, there was a very big sentiment of kind of live and let live, where as long as you weren't, you know, being a complete degenerate in society, they really didn't care what you did or didn't do. [22:52] Especially in the last year, I'd say it's definitely just in my opinion, from what I've seen, become so much more just kind of hostile towards almost anyone who is in disagreement of a lot of MAGA movements and a lot of MAGA ideals. [23:05] And I would even want to bring up the fact that same-sex marriage among Republicans, the acceptance rate of it has gone down significantly from 55% in 2021 to I think it was around 37% for 2025. [23:18] Whether that was just a fad trend that people followed or whether it's a genuine descendment, it's kind of something that I feel like should be addressed, especially from someone who it affects within the community. [23:29] Okay, so I don't like passionately disagree. [23:31] I think my issue with your argument is hateful. [23:34] To me, the MAGA movement is just, there's just a pushback because, you know, the LGBT community originally started with, we just want to be accepted, you know, but it's now moved to like twerking in the streets with stuff. [23:46] It's like now pushing for trans children and taking, like in California, it's taking parental rights away, you know. [23:52] They can take your children away if they can indoctrinate you and they can have you arrive to school and like have a different name and everything than your parents even know about and not disclose that. [24:00] But parents are just pushing back against it. [24:01] I don't think it's hateful, though, and I don't think it's, it's, I don't think we're even splitting hairs. [24:06] I think that the difference is very important here because myself as a gay man, I feel that all of the hate I get is from the left being on the left. [24:16] Oh, I have definitely experienced your experiences, you know, but I mean, if you look at all the things that they've done, like Trump hired or nominated, picked, elected, whatever. [24:25] Scott Besson, who is the highest ranking homosexual ever, gay man ever, fifth in line in the present. [24:32] Well, I will say, I think Donald Trump is very, I do think he's pro LGBT. [24:36] I don't think he's ever been hateful, but I do think he will say things or do things if his supporters or that's what he thinks people want to hear. [24:45] He has things in his personal life, though, too. [24:46] He had like a gay wedding in it at Mar-a-Lago like years ago. [24:49] No, I'm not saying that he's homophobic. [24:51] Like I said, I do think he is for it, but I think he will very much go against it if he need be. [24:56] And just wanting to bring up a little bit of a little anecdote, I guess. [24:59] When I say hateful, I mean, and I try to use that word very lightly, but the thing that kind of made me start really seeing that shift was there was, you know, a trans woman. [25:10] She didn't get killed in a hate crime. [25:12] She didn't get killed in anything. [25:13] Her name was Candy. [25:14] She was killed by a friend during a robbery. [25:16] And just every single comment in that video, it was just so disgusting. [25:21] It was just so, this dude deserved it. [25:23] He was probably fooling somebody. [25:25] That's what you get for being a trick. [25:27] Punks get what punks get. [25:28] And I think that's really, I don't know, I've seen that. [25:30] Yeah, but unfortunately, that's anecdotal though, because like you can look at almost any video and you're going to find lots of hateful comments from the other side. [25:36] I would say that there, and you are right that there has been like a decline. [25:40] I think some states have pushed back and like, oh, should we reevaluate like gay marriage and stuff? [25:44] But I would say that like too many people come out of the closet now. [25:46] Too many people have come out themselves or have brothers or friends or whatever. [25:51] Gay marriage is never going back. [25:53] That's what I told everyone when they were like, oh, Trump's going to take away all these things. [25:55] Like, I don't think that anyone has a real issue with that anymore. [25:58] I think Donald's going to take away gay marriage. [26:00] I think part of the big problem with the LGBTQ, besides the like trans and the kids and the keeping all these things, like a lot of the hostility, I think, and the anger is how the left treats it all. [26:10] Like if there's a shooter that's a trans person, it's, if it was a trans man, it's now, usually it's like what, a trans woman who's really biologically a man. [26:18] And then they say, oh, she did the shooting and stuff. [26:21] And most people are seeing this and they're. [26:24] Challenger, you've been voted off. [26:25] Thank you. [26:26] Darn, that was such a good point. [26:28] All right. [26:29] Who wants to debate this hot take in three, two, one, go. [26:33] Oh, hi. [26:34] You're right. [26:35] Yep. [26:35] Charlie. [26:36] Nice to meet you. [26:36] So the reason that I switched from one side to the other is because I don't necessarily agree with you that all MAGA people like hate LGBTQ. [26:46] It's definitely not all MAGA. [26:48] Right, right, right. [26:48] And I don't even think I've been seeing an increase in that lately. [26:52] I just found it interesting because I remembered that earlier when we were talking about population booms and we were talking about the first girl came up and she said that it would be good for everybody to have 10 kids. [27:03] And like, if we want to win the culture war, we've got to have a bunch of kids. [27:06] You were standing on this side over here. [27:08] Yeah. [27:08] So I'm just wondering, how could we expect to have a population boom and have all these kids if we continue to push transgenderism and LGBTQ on our kids and all that kind of thing? [27:17] Well, transsexualism and everything involving it has always been an extremely small minority of the population. [27:24] I mean, even homosexuality. [27:25] Right. [27:25] I definitely disagree with it being pushed. [27:27] I disagree with it being put on kids. [27:29] I've always fought against those things. [27:30] And do you think it got like bigger, like it became a bigger deal during like the four years between like Trump's first term and Trump's second term? [27:37] I would even say before that it was probably around 2015 when, you know, I was like 12 years old and I really started seeing a big boom in the LGBT, like, you know, all that's, I would even say propaganda at some points. [27:47] However, I also feel like that is just with many things, a cultural issue rather than an issue of itself. [27:53] I mean, someone mentioned trans shooters when we really look at it. [27:56] The Uvalde shooter was listed as a transgender woman. [27:59] Candace Owens said that that was a trans woman. [28:01] It was not. [28:02] It was just a dude. [28:03] And she posted some random person's face, posted their random picture. [28:07] They were labeled as the Uvalde shooter because they were trans. [28:10] Audrey Hale. [28:11] I don't think she should have ever been allowed to transition. [28:13] I believe she actually shot up a school in Tennessee, the Christian school. [28:16] And the thing about her was that she wrote in her diary that she only transitioned to attract black lesbians. [28:21] Oh, geez. [28:22] So obviously we can agree that there's a lot of people who are transitioning that should not be transitioning. [28:26] And I feel like MAGA has moved a lot more from blaming the individual to blaming the group basis. [28:32] Yeah. [28:32] But do you think that like the rise and not having same-sex marriage, like the decline of same-sex marriages, [28:38] do you think it has gone down because of the fact that we're not pushing this idea as much as we did four years ago on like our youth and our children? [28:45] Do you think it's going down less because of hate and more because we're not seeing it everywhere as much as we did prior to Trump's second term? [28:52] I think it's because it's in the media a lot more. [28:54] And it's in the media a lot more. [28:55] The hate of it is in the media a lot more? [28:57] Yeah. [28:57] Okay. [28:57] So who's hating it specifically that you've been seeing? [29:00] I guess that I would say a lot of the right. [29:01] And there's a lot of things that the right hate on that is completely justified. [29:05] You know, like I saw the gold gym dude. [29:08] Obviously, I'm pretty much against trans women in women's locker rooms. [29:11] I can admit that. [29:12] However, there's just, like I said, it's being pushed too far. [29:15] And to answer your question about the traditional marriage, I mean, I want to have kids. [29:19] I want to have a family. [29:19] I want to have a husband. [29:20] I want to settle down and everything like that. [29:21] I don't think being LGBT and being traditional are very mutual, exclusive things. [29:25] And there's always going to be kids who need a home. [29:27] There's always going to be kids who need something that their parents were not able to provide for them. [29:31] So I think if you have the people who are willing and able to do it, then they should be able to do it. [29:36] Okay. [29:36] And then do you think, personally, I guess, since we have some more time and we're talking about it, [29:40] how do you plan on having kids one day? [29:43] Either surrogacy or an adoption. [29:46] Probably an adoption more than anything because I would rather just adopt a kid than do a surrogate. [29:50] But if those are the options, it's pretty much going to be up to whoever my husband is. [29:54] Right. [29:54] So you're thinking about adopting 10 kids or, you know. [29:56] I would do it. [29:57] I would have 10 kids. [29:58] Challenger, you have been voted off. [30:00] Thank you. [30:01] Good to meet you too. [30:02] Who is ready to debate this hot take? [30:05] Three, two, one, go. [30:08] Hi. [30:09] So the term hateful is subjective. [30:10] So I think it'd be helpful for this debate to first focus on the objective facts. [30:14] We can both agree that President Donald Trump is the first president in American history to come into office already supporting marriage equality. [30:19] We can both agree that Donald Trump is the first president in American history to elevate a gay man, Scott Bassett, to the highest position of any cabinet secretary as the treasury secretary. [30:29] We can agree that there's not a single policy, piece of legislation, or law from 2016 up until 2026 that disenfranchises or discriminates against lesbians, gays, or bisexuals. [30:39] All of that thing is correct. [30:40] Now, there's an interesting movement in the LGBT community to separate LGB from T. [30:46] So there's an organization, Gays Against Groomers, and they say, look. [30:49] That was a part of it. [30:49] Right. [30:50] So they will say, look, we're about sexual orientation, lesbianism, homosexuality, and that we're not about gender identity, which is transgenderism. [30:57] And so, yes, there obviously are policies that President Trump has passed and pushed to ensure that, yes, transgenders and transgenderism is not an ideology that, for example, is being forced onto young people, that biological men are not competing against women in sports. [31:10] I think those are things that, whether you're a conservative, MAGO, even liberal, I think those are common sense policies we can all agree are good for the American people. [31:18] And that's not hateful. [31:19] People might perceive it as hateful, but it's really to protect all peoples. [31:22] That's not the hate that I'm talking about. [31:24] And, you know, even it's actually funny you mentioned the Gays Against Groomers thing. [31:27] When I had joined them in 2023, I was I had asked about the trans thing. [31:31] I'd asked about, you know, what do we think about trans adults? [31:33] And the flat out answer I was given at the time from leadership was we have no opinion on them. [31:38] Adults should be able to do whatever they want. [31:40] We're not going to talk about it. [31:41] And at the time they were going about the whole LGB without the T. [31:44] That was just starting to be a big thing. [31:46] And it was pretty much, oh, we're not going to really take a stance on that. [31:50] You know, it's Gays Against Groomers, it's LGBT. [31:53] And now it feels like the trans side has gotten and I'm not speaking about them just in specific, but in general and from their sentiment, from what you're telling me now, because I haven't kept up with them in a bit. [32:01] If they are truly LGB without the T, then that kind of shows that they are going to a more extremist extremist. [32:07] So I guess I guess time is up, guys. [32:09] Thank you. [32:11] Good debate. [32:13] Hi, my name is Kenan Cantrell. [32:17] And my hot take is the U.S. needs to restrict some religious freedoms to protect our constitutional liberties. [32:22] If you agree, stand on orange. [32:25] If you disagree, stand on black. [32:27] Three, two, one, go. [32:29] Who wants to debate this hot take? [32:38] In three, two, one, go. [32:42] Hi. [32:43] Hi. [32:44] So I will actually say to a degree I do, I understand where you're coming from. [32:50] I feel like it's probably not a surprise to anyone in this room what exactly you're talking about when you refer to religious freedoms. [32:56] I'm sure you're not obviously talking about Christians or anything like that. [33:00] No. [33:01] However, even though I am vehemently against Islam for a lot of obvious reasons, I do think that's an extremely slippery slope to go down of allowing the government to restrict religious freedom. [33:12] I mean, you have to understand the conservative base, the Republican base is not always going to be in power. [33:18] And what's the next president going to do if he doesn't like Christianity, he doesn't like Judaism, doesn't like Hinduism? [33:23] There's plenty of things that you can restrict if the door is open for another religion. [33:27] That's a good point. [33:28] Yeah. [33:28] So for me, first off, my defense is that, yeah, I feel like the two greatest threats to America, the world as well, but specifically America, socialism and particularly Islam. [33:39] Especially since, like, I think it was 2003 that we discovered the explanatory memorandum that was the Muslim Brotherhood explaining their civilization jihad from 1991 and that their express intention is to colonize, take over America, make America Islam. [33:55] And we see that happening and it's affecting us. [33:59] Obviously, there are, like, more churches burning down. [34:01] We see Zoram and Dami going in and, like, putting in, like, little Palestine and erasing our history. [34:05] There's no more, like, little Italy and stuff. [34:07] The clearest example for me is actually what's happening in Iran, Iran right now. [34:11] 1978, 1979, the left joined with secularist students with Khaymadi, Nayatollah Khaymadi, and they took over and then they ate their own. [34:20] They went after the leftists first and stuff. [34:22] It is a real threat that we are facing. [34:24] And I get what you're saying that we, you know, it's a slippery slope. [34:27] I would lean into why not just declare ourselves more a Christian nation? [34:32] All of our founding fathers believed that they, in fact, our founding fathers, they're, a lot of the opponents to the religious freedoms that they put into our law were the Muslims back then. [34:44] I think they called them Muslim men because they foresaw this, exactly what's happening now happening. [34:51] I agree with pretty much everything you're saying. [34:52] I do agree that Islam is a problem within our society. [34:55] But I feel like the debate of whether or not we need to do something more about Islam in specific versus open a door to something that can be used against all religions. [35:04] I mean, once you set a precedent, it's been set. [35:06] Sure, right. [35:07] Okay, so I think there should be some specific things. [35:09] Like, for instance, we should ban Sharia law. [35:11] There should be absolutely no parallel organizations running in the States. [35:17] Obviously, we wouldn't say, I think you'd have to be careful not to say Sharia law because of our constitutional, the way that our law is written. [35:24] But we would have to be really strict with that. [35:27] There's always a problem of liberal judges that won't uphold it. [35:30] This is actually difficult for me because this is something I feel passionate about. [35:33] But the more I researched this, the more I found out, like, how tight our hands are from protecting ourselves from this very real cancer that's already starting to affect us and demolish the Middle East. [35:42] I would lean to declare ourselves a Christian nation and also giving the power to the states because all of the laws we have of separation of states and government, I believe, are federal and not to the states. [35:55] So we can put a lot of power in the states to... [35:58] Can I ask what would then stop the Islamic movement from just growing in a sanctuary city where they're now all going to congregate into one location? [36:05] I mean, we can hope that it worked out like Southeast Asia, where they kind of, you know, mellowed out to a more neutral version of the Koran. [36:12] But there's also the chance that they just don't, that they become completely extremists. [36:16] And now we have a large concentration of them in various sanctuary cities. [36:19] Great point. [36:20] I would lean into putting... [36:22] On that note, you have been voted off. [36:24] Okay. [36:24] Thank you. [36:25] Thank you. [36:26] Whoever wants to challenge this hot take, three, two, one, run. [36:34] Hi. [36:34] How's it going, man? [36:35] Good, good. [36:35] How are you doing? [36:36] I'm Charlie. [36:36] Charlie Keenan. [36:37] Nice to meet you, Keenan. [36:38] Likewise. [36:38] So I like what you were saying. [36:39] I changed my mind because I think it could be really dangerous. [36:42] And I'm a Christian. [36:43] I'm a pastor. [36:44] I think it could be really dangerous to establish one religion in the United States of America because it could start off good, right? [36:50] It could start off good saying we're a Christian nation. [36:52] But then once the wrong person gets into power, it could turn into something completely different than what we wanted it to turn into as Christians. [37:02] And the other thing is I think religion is less of a government issue and more of a heart issue. [37:07] And I think if we want to see the minds and the hearts of Americans change towards Christianity, it all has to start in the church. [37:16] Because we could start at the government. [37:18] We could start at the top and we might be able to get somewhere. [37:21] But I think if we want those people with our Judeo-Christian values that made this nation one so great, I think if we want to get back to that, we need to start with the churches and the pastors. [37:33] And they need to begin to speak biblical truth again so that the people who are sitting in the pews will have the courage to run for office and instill Christian values. [37:43] Not necessarily one religion for the United States, but Christian values. [37:48] It's kind of a slower process. [37:49] Yeah, I don't disagree with you. [37:50] I think that that's a good take. [37:51] The problem is like getting people to go to churches and gang churches to do that and everything. [37:54] I don't know. [37:55] I see there is an incline in religiosity, especially among young men, I think. [38:00] Our roots are Judeo-Christian. [38:02] And the only reason why our founding fathers didn't declare it generally a Christian nation, not like Protestant or Catholic, like non-denominational, but just Christian. [38:10] Like that's a huge umbrella is because of their feelings of how they were all the oppression. [38:17] The Catholic Church. [38:17] Right. [38:18] Like in Europe, which they fled from. [38:19] Right. [38:19] All of our founding principles are Judeo-Christian. [38:22] Sure. [38:22] Why keep dancing around that? [38:24] Why not just say we are a Judeo-Christian religion and we are not going to tolerate anything that is subversive to that, which is Islam, which is their express. [38:33] They're not shy about it. [38:34] In Iran, they shout, death to America, death to—like they're not shy about it. [38:38] We just pretend that's not really an issue. [38:40] Why not just declare that we are a Judeo-Christian nation that is—those are our roots and we won't tolerate other— [38:46] Absolutely. [38:47] And I agree with what you're saying. [38:48] Judeo-Christian values are our roots. [38:50] But when it comes to establishing a nation as a religion, a religion in a nation, when we look to examples like Iran, look how bad it got. [38:58] Yeah. [38:58] Now they're saying Sharia law. [39:00] They took it to the way extreme, you know, what started off as nothing, for the most part, turned into something that it never should have intended to be. [39:08] But it actually, even though it wasn't, like, by title, a Judeo-Christian nation in the beginning, nine of the 13 colonies had religious tests, which they took out. [39:19] They got rid of those, but it functioned fine. [39:21] So what do you mean by religious tests? [39:22] Like they went around and surveyed, like— [39:24] No, you actually couldn't run. [39:26] I mean, I don't know how they actually, like, implemented it, but you couldn't. [39:28] But they still didn't establish one religion because they couldn't because it goes against the Constitution. [39:32] You know, the First Amendment says— [39:33] Again, that's federally. [39:34] I think states have their own thing. [39:35] And again, they removed that, but it worked fine in the beginning when it was non-denominational because any state could be whatever religion they wanted to. [39:43] But why are we dancing around the fact that we are a Judeo-Christian church just so that it doesn't hurt people's feelings or whatever? [39:48] I'm not saying we need to lean into Catholicism or Protestantism. [39:51] Okay, pause, pause, please. [39:53] Hot take debater, you are voted off. [39:56] Oh, okay. [39:57] That was great, man. [39:57] Thank you. [39:58] Thank you. [39:59] Whoever wants to debate this hot take, please run up in three, two, one. [40:03] Hello. [40:05] Nice to meet you. [40:05] Nice to meet you. [40:06] I just have two quick points. [40:07] So I totally agree with everything he was saying, and I also understand where you're coming from. [40:10] Because I do believe this is specifically a Judeo-Christian country. [40:13] And right after the First Amendment was written with the Establishment Clause, the very next day, they instituted a national day of prayer and thanksgiving to not just any God, but to the God of the Bible. [40:22] Amen. [40:23] And what I wanted to say with going to what I was arguing earlier, why we all need to be having 10-plus babies is because the Muslims are outpopulating us. [40:30] And so wouldn't you agree that we need to outproduce, outeducate, and outlast their agenda and be raising our own babies so they're not sent to these indoctrination camps where they're taught to hate themselves. [40:38] Yeah, but do you think that establishing America as a Christian nation, meaning that anybody who comes here, anybody who was born here has to identify as Christian? [40:46] That's not what it is. [40:47] But do you think that would do more harm than good? [40:49] I want to go back to what the Founding Father said, is that the general principles on which freedom was achieved were the general principles of Christianity. [40:55] That comes from John Adams. [40:57] And so, no, I'm not advocating to force conversions, but I'm saying we are a Judeo-Christian country, and let's not compromise with these ideologies that actually seek to kill us from the inside out. [41:06] And what he talked about, all the examples, I mean, you can look at Plano, Texas, they're taking over our country. [41:11] The Egypt, the other places across the world were actually Christian, and they were conquered by Islam, and they're no longer Christian. [41:17] Today, so we need to fight for our country so that doesn't happen here. [41:20] Right, and I believe that that all begins in the church, with the pastors leading the charge. [41:25] The whole reason this country was established as a Judeo-Christian nation was because the churches, way before 1776, were preaching the Word of God. [41:32] They were preaching the Bible. [41:33] The congregation, the people who were sitting in the pews were hearing the Word. [41:37] It was piercing the heart, and it was motivating them to stand up and fight for freedom, fight for religious liberty, because they were under so much oppression in England. [41:45] So, with the pastors being bold enough, the Black Robe Regiment, I'm sure you've heard of it. [41:49] You know, these brave pastors before the independence of our nation, with them being on the pulpit, speaking the Word of God loudly, boldly, truthfully, not wishy-washy, but truthfully, we got people in the pews who were confident in their faith. [42:02] Yes, it's a yes and, they're not exclusive. [42:04] I totally agree. [42:04] All right, debaters, time is up. [42:06] Thank you. [42:07] Thank you. [42:12] My hot take is that MAGA has become a party of hypocrites. [42:15] If you agree, stand on orange. [42:19] If you disagree, stand on black. [42:22] Three, two, one, go. [42:24] Who's ready to debate this hot take? [42:30] In three, two, one, go. [42:32] Go, go, go. [42:36] How's it going? [42:36] Hi, Presley. [42:37] Nice to meet you. [42:38] Pleasure. [42:38] So, I guess my first question is, what has MAGA done that's hypocritical? [42:43] Yeah, so, I mean, I think we can all agree that MAGA, definitely, since Trump's initial run, has definitely split. [42:49] It started off as make America great again, and now it's kind of split more or less into this America first versus MAGA. [42:56] One of my biggest critiques, and I think a lot of people would agree with this, is we can start with the Epstein files. [43:01] And mainly for me, the biggest part of this is the fact that, you know, coming in, it was a promissory of, I'm going to release them, you know, flash in the binder, everything else. [43:10] And then simultaneously, at the same time, critiquing Joe Biden for, since his poor border policies, let's be honest, allowed a lot of children to be lost and trafficked through the border. [43:20] But then when it came to protecting the children and things within the files, and then casually just being like, oh, are we still on that during an interview? [43:27] That's pretty hypocritical. [43:28] And considering that nobody also has yet to be held accountable is also infatuously ridiculous. [43:33] Because three million pages were released. [43:36] What was found in there that you're saying, oh, this person needs to be prosecuted? [43:40] Well, so it's one of those things where obviously I cannot independently read 3,000 pages, right? [43:45] Or three million pages. [43:47] But it's, for me, it's one of those things, too, where also the focus has now also shifted to where, for example, the royal family, right? [43:54] They stripped the, what was his name? [43:57] The, the print, Prince Andrew, whatever his name was. [43:59] Yeah. [44:00] Took, took his titles away and pretty much exiled him from the royal family. [44:03] That is one extra thing that has happened overseas that didn't even happen here. [44:11] And it's one of those things where it's a constant protect the youth, don't let them get indoctrinated. [44:15] But then something like that is just completely like, okay, here it is. [44:18] You can have your bone. [44:20] For me, that is a huge hypocrisy. [44:22] Okay. [44:23] No, I, I understand your point. [44:24] But my question is, I know you said, I'm not going to expect you to read 3 million pages. [44:27] Yes, please don't. [44:28] Believe me, I'm not. [44:29] I'm a realistic person. [44:30] But my point here is that, you know, obviously it's a, the Epstein file specifically is a fundamental part of your point of how MAGA is hypocritical. [44:37] So I'm sure you've seen a bunch on the Epstein files, whether it be from your feed or you've read certain things, articles, we all do our research. [44:43] From what you've seen, who is a person that should be arrested? [44:47] Well, it's one of those things where for me, I don't have any specific name. [44:50] I expect those that have the ability to read those files unredacted, which they do have the ability to do so, that they should be able to see that and that they should be able to do their part. [45:00] I personally can't, you know, go out, charge people and do everything else. [45:04] So, and I mean, and it's one of those things where obviously the Epstein files can obviously be an interpretive thing. [45:09] But another part for me, as far as hypocrites go, for example, I'm going to use Caroline Levitt. [45:14] Sure. [45:15] So Caroline Levitt and Erica Kirk got together for like a Women's Summit talk thing. [45:20] And I do, I listen because I think it's valid to at least listen. [45:23] My biggest hypocrisy is the fact that both of these women who are heads of their roles, big roles, very demanding, then preach to women my age and go, [45:33] you need to get married young, have a bunch of babies, put your career on the back burner until your kids grow up and everything else. [45:40] That to me is hypocritical considering how young both of their children are and considering now one of them is a single mother. [45:47] That to me is also hypocritical. [45:49] So I think, I think I have a little bit of a nuanced view on this example specifically. [45:52] I do think any, any woman that calls themselves a trad wife, but has a full-time career and is excluding their children away from them. [46:00] I don't really think they fit the definition of trad wife. [46:02] But I think, especially in the case of Erica Kirk, you know, it's kind of a unique situation in the sense that, you know, [46:08] her husband was murdered by the radical left and she was thrust to the top of that company. [46:12] Well, I don't know if I would say she was thrusted necessarily because to get that role, she did have to say like, yes, I wanted voted in on that. [46:19] Pause. [46:20] Challenger, you have been voted off. [46:22] Thank you. [46:25] Who's ready to debate this hot take in three, two, one, go. [46:31] Hey, how's it going? [46:32] I'm Shabbos. [46:33] Well, I think Jacob did an excellent job and I'd really just want to explore that more. [46:36] So the first example you gave of Megas' hypocrisy was the Epstein files. [46:39] And then to further that claim, you used Prince Andrew and the revocation of his titles. [46:44] Do you know why Prince Andrew's titles were revoked? [46:48] Well, first of all, I think there are multiple levels as to why, because let's be honest, the royal family is very tight-knit. [46:53] They're more symbolic than they do actually have like impact, right? [46:56] So for me, I think there were multiple things that Prince Andrew did. [46:59] What? [47:00] So I think when it comes to, first of all, there was explicit pictures of him with the underage girls. [47:06] There was the explicit, there was a payout for a while that was being hidden. [47:09] So there were a few other. [47:10] That's objectively not true. [47:11] We can debate opinions. [47:12] We can't debate facts. [47:13] So the reason why he had his title revoked by Buckingham Palace is because he revealed private financial information to members of the House of Lords. [47:20] We're both in agreement, I assume, that anyone who commits a child. [47:23] He also shared with Epstein as well. [47:24] Sorry? [47:24] He also shared with Epstein as well. [47:25] Shared what? [47:27] The internal confidential secrets of the royal family. [47:29] Correct. [47:29] That's why his title was revoked, because he revealed private financial information. [47:32] If you could point to child sex trafficking crimes, we would both be in agreement that anyone who commits child sex trafficking crimes should be prosecuted, should be jailed, should be locked up. [47:41] He also shared that prior to the Epstein files. [47:43] So what I'm saying is like... [47:44] He did what prior to the Epstein files? [47:46] This is the problem I have. [47:47] When it comes to sharing that information. [47:49] Correct. [47:49] You made the claim of child sex trafficking crimes. [47:51] Now we're debating financial crimes. [47:53] That sharing happened prior to that. [47:55] What I'm saying is they knew, right, that he shared things. [47:59] Now, obviously, the queen can't say anything. [48:00] Financial information. [48:01] But you made the claim of child sex trafficking crimes. [48:03] I did not say child sex. [48:04] I said he was in the files. [48:06] I said that he was in the files and that it came after the files were released because that was basically the icing on the cake that said, well, now he's done A, B, C, and D. [48:14] He's invoked in something that's very controversial. [48:16] He's got to go. [48:17] So, again, here's the problem I have when we talk about the Epstein files. [48:20] People fundamentally don't understand what the Epstein files actually are. [48:22] It's a compilation of more than a decade of information from the FBI, from NSA, from CIA, from anyone just calling a tip line saying that these are their allegations. [48:30] So we literally have members of mental institutions who called the FBI and said, hey, I was forced to, like, eat children on boats. [48:36] And that's included in the Epstein files. [48:37] That doesn't mean it happened. [48:38] It means there were allegations. [48:39] So what I find very problematic, not just within MAGA, but our political culture in general, is they will take things that never actually happened. [48:45] Hold on. [48:45] You can't ramble for, like, three minutes. [48:47] Okay, pause, pause. [48:49] Hot seat debater, you are voted off. [48:50] Appreciate it. [48:52] Who is ready to take on this hot take? [48:54] In three, two, one, go. [48:58] Hey, how you doing? [48:58] How's it going? [48:59] Hi. [48:59] So I want to continue on the Epstein files thing. [49:01] I agree with you fully that the idea of in the Epstein files has taken on this crazy meaning to just mean if you're mentioned in an email. [49:07] Like, Elon Musk was mentioned in the Epstein files, but he was actually mentioned in the Epstein files. [49:10] SpongeBob SquarePants was mentioned in the Epstein files. [49:12] Right, a lot of things. [49:12] But you have to admit, it's weird that no one's been arrested other than Jeffrey Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell. [49:18] So you agree they're guilty of trafficking people, right? [49:20] Human trafficking? [49:22] Yes. [49:22] Who were they trafficking for? [49:23] Just Jeffrey? [49:24] Well, again, what you're doing is you're creating a motivation or preposition. [49:28] What you need is actual evidence. [49:29] So I'm more than welcomed, I'm more than willing to state that anyone who commits child trafficking crime should be prosecuted. [49:34] The problem with just simply saying there's this global cabal. [49:36] Let me ask you then where you think you're supposed to be. [49:37] There's a global cabal. [49:38] Let me finish the point. [49:39] I'm not saying global. [49:39] You're making like this crazy. [49:41] You're assuming I'm some conspiracy theorist. [49:42] I'm asking you. [49:42] Let me finish the point and you can understand the point I'm trying to make. [49:44] I asked you a question. [49:45] And I'm trying to answer it. [49:46] What was my question? [49:47] So you're trying to state that Ghislaine, you said who else has been arrested other than Ghislaine Maxwell and Jeffrey Epstein for trafficking? [49:52] I said who are they trafficking people for? [49:54] And my answer is what you need to do is provide evidence that there were in fact other people in which point I will gladly believe it. [50:00] I actually don't have to provide that evidence. [50:02] I'm not the U.S. attorney. [50:03] What I want is as I'm a citizen of America, I would like the U.S. attorney to release the evidence. [50:08] The problem is they've released some of the Epstein files, but they've redacted names and they've redacted entire pages. [50:13] Do you know why they redacted names? [50:15] Yes, because they don't want the information to go to the public for any reason. [50:17] No, it's because they were sued by the quote unquote survivors, many of whom engaged in consensual sex above the age of 18 and then were paid for their service after. [50:23] That can be why they redact some names. [50:24] That's why they redact all the names. [50:26] That is why the DOJ was sued by the Epstein survivors. [50:28] The Epstein survivors, Thomas Massey, they can go on the floor of the House literally today and just say, who are the people? [50:33] Just do it. [50:33] And I would agree with you. [50:34] And I agree with their grandstands. [50:35] But they're not doing that thing. [50:36] So the problem I have with the Epstein files is, I'm not saying you, but in general, in our political culture, you can't simply state there's this global cabal of undefined files. [50:44] And we're not going to name them, we're not going to identify them, and we're not going to prosecute them. [50:47] That's not how the law works. [50:49] You keep saying, like, global cabal. [50:49] Do you think there's at least one person who has trafficked a child on Epstein's Island other than Epstein and Ghislaine Maxwell? [50:54] Sure. [50:54] Can you name that person? [50:55] No, but I'm not the prosecutor. [50:57] Correct. [50:57] It's not my job here. [50:58] But the point I'm trying to make is we've had... [50:59] I want the prosecutors to give me the evidence. [51:00] And the point I'm trying to make is there has been tens of millions of dollars poured into prosecutions, poured into investigations. [51:05] I'm not saying there's not enough money. [51:06] Millions of pages being released. [51:07] I'm saying it's intentional withholding. [51:08] And I'm arguing, not only has there not been intentional withholding, we actually know more because of Donald Trump on the Epstein files. [51:15] The problem is, kind of with that joke of JFK, when a guy dies and he goes to heaven, he says, God, who really killed JFK? [51:20] And God says, look, it was Lee Harvey Oswald. [51:22] And the guy says, oh my gosh, I never knew how deep the conspiracy went. [51:25] I see that so much of our political culture will never be satiated because unless they have this magic bullet, this smoking gun, [51:30] that there were, in fact, these dozens and dozens of people, there could be, but you have to provide evidence. [51:34] And given the lack of evidence, let's focus on the issues the American people care about. [51:38] Immigration, tariffs, gun control. [51:39] I agree, but that's not the topic we're on. [51:40] So I want to really get back to, do you think there is at least one person who went to that island, got trafficked a child, or just concealing it? [51:46] Your time is up. [51:47] Thank you. [51:48] Appreciate it. [51:48] All right. [51:49] All right. [51:52] So my hot take is our movement of MAGA does not exist outside of our president, Donald John Trump. [52:01] If you agree, please stand on orange. [52:04] If you disagree, please stand on black. [52:06] In three, two, one. [52:08] Go ahead. [52:15] Who wants to challenge this hot take? [52:17] In three, two, one. [52:18] Go. [52:19] Eat again. [52:22] Eat again. [52:22] Hey. [52:23] Hi. [52:23] So the reason I personally disagree with the fact that MAGA is inherent to Donald Trump is while, yes, he is the creator. [52:30] Yes, he is the person who basically founded the movement. [52:33] I think MAGA has become and has always been a set of ideals of making America great again or keeping America great once it gets there. [52:41] I think Donald Trump even could move away from the ideals of MAGA. [52:45] I'm not saying he has, but he could. [52:47] I think it's just dangerous to put one person at the helm of an entire movement that's been as defining as MAGA. [52:54] So I think the reason I disagree with that assertion is because the MAGA movement holds wildly contradictory policies, and there are individuals and constituencies within MAGA that fundamentally are opposed to each other. [53:04] And the only reason we're willing to sustain this coalition is because we have trust in the head of that coalition, which is President Donald Trump. [53:11] So we can look at elections themselves, for example. [53:13] So we know that President Trump won in 2016. [53:15] He won in 2024. [53:16] I'm not touching 2020. [53:17] I don't think he did, but I digress. [53:19] Having said that, though, he also lost really bad in every single midterm. [53:23] Now, you can make the argument, well, historically, that's always been the case. [53:26] The party in power always loses a midterm. [53:28] But when you actually look at the polling, when President Trump's name is not on a ballot, Republicans are not nearly as enthusiastic or motivated to vote for individuals who call themselves MAGA. [53:37] Why? [53:37] Because we are attached to the individual himself. [53:39] Can you point to any other Republican presidential nominee who can have the Teamsters union CEO speak keynote address at the Republican convention? [53:49] Can you point to any other Republican president or nominee who can say wildly contradictory things based on a tweet? [53:55] And we're kind of still into it because fundamentally we have a trust in that person to always do the right thing. [54:00] And the answer is no, you can't really point to that thing, which is why we are going to have a contested, which I think is good, but a contested primary in 2028. [54:06] Because there is no obvious heir apparent because we ourselves don't actually know what does MAGA mean outside of Donald Trump. [54:13] I mean, I guess for me personally, I would say MAGA is actually doing the things to keep America great. [54:20] Like what? [54:20] For starters, being stricter on illegal immigration. [54:24] Obviously, I'm sure we all agree on that. [54:27] Small government, restricting government overreach. [54:29] I feel like that has always been something that's been pretty core to MAGA, even with the vaccine things. [54:33] Well, so because you mentioned vaccines, because everything you've been saying so far is just general to conservatives. [54:37] Like conservatives in general have always been opposed to illegal immigration. [54:40] They've always been in support of a limited government. [54:41] When you talk about vaccines, I mean, Operation Speedwarp was by President Donald Trump. [54:45] So it's actually interesting why we conservatives, we're not really into Anthony Fauci, but Donald Trump kind of was into Anthony Fauci. [54:50] Yeah, but a lot of MAGA were against the vaccine. [54:53] Correct. [54:54] But isn't it interesting, though, that President Trump was able to tell hundreds of millions of Americans every single day, you must get vaccinated. [54:59] And none of us were really bothered by that, even though you're now saying after the fact, yeah, we are bothered by it. [55:04] And so the argument I'm making, it's because we're able to have trust in the president of the United States because he is the team captain here. [55:10] And we're OK with that. [55:11] Whereas if it was someone like J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio or Pete Hexeth or whomever, we wouldn't have that same degree of allegiances. [55:16] In fact, again, when you look at polling opinion for 2028, there is no clear opinion on who the heir apparent of MAGA is because we ourselves can't really define MAGA outside of Donald Trump. [55:25] Donald Trump said it himself when he was demeaning Marjorie Taylor Greene and Tucker Carlson and Thomas Massey. [55:29] He said, I'm the only one who gets to define what this thing is because I created it. [55:33] And he's not wrong in that assessment. [55:34] Well, I wouldn't necessarily disagree with that either. [55:36] I mean, he is the creator. [55:38] However, I don't. [55:38] OK, pause. [55:40] Challenger, you have been voted off. [55:41] Thank you. [55:41] OK. [55:41] Appreciate it. [55:42] Whoever wants to debate this hot take in three, two, one, go. [55:47] Thank you. [55:48] So I have some conflicted like response to you. [55:52] First off, I'm worried that it's not surviving at the moment anyway with like I think there's a lot of division inside. [55:58] But what remains and I'm curious what your take is of what what's the what's going to happen then. [56:03] Trump, I personally think Trump is grooming Rubio to take over. [56:08] And I think Rubio would be a great choice personally. [56:10] I think it's going to be AOC versus Rubio. [56:12] And I think it was going to kill her because she's an idiot. [56:15] So I'd be like Latin vote. [56:16] Oh, who do we vote for? [56:17] You know, but. [56:18] But, you know, it's really interesting when you talk about Rubio or AOC or 2028 is because the polling clearly indicates that depending on who Donald Trump endorses, that person will win the primary. [56:27] Whereas if Donald Trump does not endorse that person, then you will have a primary. [56:31] So that kind of underscores the fundamental point of MAGA that it's really Donald Trump's party. [56:35] I mean, again, I like the guy. [56:36] I voted for him. [56:37] But his numbers amongst Republicans are freaking Kim Jong-un numbers like 95. [56:41] Like that is insane. [56:42] No other Republican, whether it's Rubio, Hegseth, Vance, get anywhere near as high marks as Donald Trump does. [56:47] But you're arguing two different things. [56:48] I'm not disagreeing with you that it isn't Trump's party. [56:50] It clearly is. [56:51] And I think that's partly like, you know, this is a tangent. [56:54] I want to come back to this. [56:54] But partly because of the fact that he was just a common sense person. [56:58] He was the one that got out there and said it all. [57:00] And I think it was the alpha male. [57:01] I think in his wake, there will be a lot of betas that will step up. [57:05] Outside of Donald Trump, the fact that the Republican Party can't coalesce around a candidate kind of, for me, solidifies the fact that there's a lot of intellectual and ideological diversity. [57:14] And we kind of are willing to put that aside for the best interest of the MAGA movement. [57:18] And again, President Trump, again, I support him. [57:20] But he has done things that are inherently not conservative. [57:23] Like if Ronald Reagan knew that we had a 30% tariff on the United Kingdom or like a 3 million percent tariff on China, which probably went up a million since he woke up this morning, he would be like rolling in his grave. [57:32] But we're kind of OK with him doing non-conservative policies because, again, we like the guy in charge. [57:37] Can you really imagine a J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio in 2029 or 20-2030 saying, yeah, we're going to impose tariffs? [57:43] The fact that Donald Trump, going back to our transgender conversation in 2015, saying he actually has no problem with transgenders using any bathroom, we kind of gave him passes on a lot of these non-conservative values. [57:52] Because he had because he had a persona and a charisma to him that a lot of Republicans were willing to accept and sort of ignore the other things in a way that no other Republican candidate ever gets a pass on. [58:01] I don't disagree with you. And I will completely agree that he does own the MAGA movement. [58:04] That is his. And people are trying to take that far. Marjorie Taylor Greene tried doing that to him. [58:07] And that's a failure. But the problem is, like, for 2028, it's not going to be the same time as it was now anyway. [58:13] So saying, like, oh, can you imagine Rubio doing this or that? Like, it doesn't matter. It's going to be different. [58:16] Because the movement doesn't exist without him. [58:19] But it already is fracturing anyway. [58:22] You're bolstering my point. [58:23] Okay, challenger. You've been voted out. Thank you. [58:25] Appreciate it. [58:26] We got one debater on this side who is ready to make his mark. And go. [58:32] Hey. [58:32] Good to see you again. [58:33] So here's where I think you're wrong. [58:35] I think what you're seeing is there's actually a fracture on the right. [58:39] And that you and I are not members of truly the same political movement. [58:42] We just exist in a system where there can really only be two political parties. [58:45] If we existed in, like, the UK, where they had multiple parties, we wouldn't be in the same party. [58:49] And so what you're seeing is not so much that Donald Trump has these contradictory positions of conservatives. [58:54] It's that Donald Trump isn't the same thing that Ronald Reagan is. [58:57] Ronald Reagan is a very different kind of Republican than Donald Trump, [58:59] who is a different kind of Republican than, I think, Marco Rubio. [59:02] And he's a different kind of Republican than Richard Nixon. [59:04] Sure. [59:04] And we're seeing that fracture. [59:05] I think that actually proves my point, because we're seeing that, to your point, [59:08] we're all in the same camp. We haven't actually fractured. [59:11] You'll start seeing a fracture in 2028. [59:13] That's why Tucker Carlson has already planted the seeds, [59:15] getting Marjorie Taylor Greene and Thomas Massey in his, you know, weird cabinet in Maine, [59:18] wherever he lives, and saying, we want to have this idea of establishing a third party. [59:22] Why doesn't he do it right now? [59:23] It's because MAG is pretty unified because we have a leader. [59:25] The moment Donald Trump is out of the picture, [59:27] you're going to see massive splits that aren't really occurring right now. [59:30] Let's talk about the difference between MAGA, which is more of an ideological movement, [59:33] and the Republican Party, which is a specific electoral mechanism, right? [59:37] Yeah, but the overwhelming majority of Republicans identify as MAGA. [59:40] So you're talking about less than 5% of the electorate. [59:42] And then so what you have to start looking into is why do they identify as MAGA? [59:45] Do they do that because they like the ideas of MAGA or because they like Donald Trump? [59:48] Your position is because they like Donald Trump. [59:50] It's irrelevant. [59:50] Donald Trump has received more votes as a Republican nominee [59:54] than any other Republican nominee in Republican history. [59:57] It's not irrelevant why they voted for him. [59:58] It's totally irrelevant. [1:00:00] The fact is they are voting for him, [1:00:01] whether they're doing it because they're neoconservatives, [1:00:03] whether they're doing it because they're populists, [1:00:04] whether they're doing it because they're isolation. [1:00:06] It's irrelevant because at the end of the day, [1:00:07] when they go into the ballot box, they're voting for Donald Trump. [1:00:09] And by the way, during the midterms, [1:00:10] they're actually not going out in the same way [1:00:12] because Donald Trump is not on the ballot. [1:00:14] You are going to see in 2028 the fractures that you're describing. [1:00:16] Let me turn this point. [1:00:17] You're going to see in 2028 the fractures that you're describing [1:00:20] that don't currently pragmatically exist. [1:00:22] They will pragmatically exist in 2028 [1:00:25] because Trump is not the kingmaker anymore. [1:00:27] Currently, he is, and those who go against him, [1:00:29] they lose their seats in Congress. [1:00:30] Right, so this is why it matters why they voted. [1:00:32] And debaters, time is up. [1:00:33] Okay. [1:00:33] All right, appreciate it. [1:00:34] Appreciate it. [1:00:35] Hot take is that if we save ourselves for marriage, [1:00:42] we will save this country and strengthen family values. [1:00:45] Okay, okay. [1:00:46] Well, if you agree, stand on orange. [1:00:49] And if you disagree, stand on black. [1:00:51] In three, two, one, go. [1:00:53] Who is ready to debate this hot take? [1:00:59] In three, two, one, go. [1:01:02] Hey. [1:01:03] Hi. [1:01:03] I was really hoping I wasn't going to debate you. [1:01:05] You're so lovely and kind, and I agree with most of what you say. [1:01:08] And the disclaimer is I hope my rabbi doesn't watch this [1:01:10] because as an Orthodox Jew, I don't believe in premarital sex. [1:01:13] I also am saving myself for marriage. [1:01:15] In fact, in Judaism, we're actually not allowed to touch the opposite gender. [1:01:17] So irrespective of sex, even high fives are hugging. [1:01:20] The reason I think you're misguided in this [1:01:22] is because we have seen that our generation, Gen Z, [1:01:24] is the most likely to report being suicidal, [1:01:27] most likely to be medicated, anxious, depressed, [1:01:29] most likely to engage in acts of political violence on both sides of the aisle. [1:01:32] We have seen that rise in conjunction with Gen Z, [1:01:35] particularly men, actually not having sex, [1:01:37] not drinking alcohol or going to bars. [1:01:39] They're more isolated than ever before. [1:01:41] And actually, I think one of the ways that we can build strong communities [1:01:44] is by encouraging young people to actually have those relationships [1:01:47] with people from opposite genders. [1:01:48] That doesn't always have to lead to sex, [1:01:50] especially if it's sex that results in a pregnancy. [1:01:52] Again, as a religious Jew, I frown upon that thing. [1:01:55] But to create legislation or government policy to discourage that, [1:01:59] I actually think we'll have a lot of perverse incentives [1:02:01] that we haven't really fleshed out. [1:02:02] Okay, so you made a lot of really interesting points [1:02:04] that I want to respond to. [1:02:07] First, I'm not advocating for any policy. [1:02:09] I'm advocating for a cultural elevation. [1:02:11] I'm saying as MAGA, we need to do a better job [1:02:13] of not just advocating for family values and being upset about wokeism, [1:02:16] but we need to live that out. [1:02:18] Because I totally agree, [1:02:19] but I would think that pornography addiction, [1:02:21] junk food addiction, video game addiction, [1:02:23] all falls under the same umbrella [1:02:25] when I'm saying to save ourselves for marriage. [1:02:26] Because even if they're not engaging in an act with the opposite sex, [1:02:29] they're still not engaging in purity or holiness. [1:02:32] And so what I would like to say is that if we look at divorce rates, [1:02:36] the greatest predictor for divorce rates is having premarital sex. [1:02:39] The more body, the higher the body, [1:02:41] you can look at this, a Wuffinger study. [1:02:42] He's a sociologist who tracked the higher someone's body count was, [1:02:46] particularly for women, the higher their divorce rate was after. [1:02:49] And actually for men, it's also the same thing. [1:02:52] The more people they're with, the higher likely, [1:02:54] and it's a linear track. [1:02:55] But for women, it spikes at two. [1:02:58] So actually a woman being with two people [1:02:59] is higher divorce rate than her being with three to nine people. [1:03:02] But if you're a virgin zero, it's the lowest. [1:03:05] And the highest is 10 plus. [1:03:07] But I think the reason that it spikes for a woman at two [1:03:09] is because of pair bonding. [1:03:11] Because that's also the thing we have to realize with sex, [1:03:13] that it is detrimental mainly to a woman [1:03:15] because she pair bonds much easier than a man [1:03:17] because of oxytocin and vasopressin. [1:03:20] Sure. [1:03:21] So again, I don't disagree in general. [1:03:23] Again, as a religious Jew, [1:03:24] and actually my girlfriend cheated on me, [1:03:26] maybe I shouldn't say that on TV, [1:03:27] but yes, I agree with you [1:03:28] that when we encourage things like OnlyFans, [1:03:30] when we encourage things like pornography [1:03:31] that you get access at the fingertips, [1:03:33] these aren't good things. [1:03:34] They don't produce positive results for society. [1:03:36] But I'm also arguing that when you start creating a culture [1:03:38] whereby you're discouraging these very normal [1:03:40] and very healthy relationships between men and women [1:03:43] that have been historically for 2,000 years [1:03:45] the building blocks of society, [1:03:46] you're going to have these perverse incentives, [1:03:48] these good intentions that lead to bad outcomes [1:03:50] due to unforeseen circumstances. [1:03:51] Chief among them is the increasing radicalization [1:03:54] of young people. [1:03:55] Again, we're seeing when individuals [1:03:57] don't have those healthy outlets, [1:03:59] they become increasingly isolated. [1:04:00] They resort to more extreme forms, [1:04:02] not just of politics, [1:04:03] but also like physical violence. [1:04:04] I don't think it's a coincidence at all [1:04:06] that the killer of Brian Thompson [1:04:07] was a, Louis de Mangione, [1:04:09] he was a young person, [1:04:10] the killer of Charlie Kirk, [1:04:11] who was actually Tyler Robinson. [1:04:13] Candace Owens, I hope you heard that. [1:04:14] And he was not a virgin. [1:04:14] He was sleeping with a trans person. [1:04:16] Right, but to be fair, [1:04:18] A, correlation doesn't equal causation, [1:04:20] and B, you're focusing on a whole history [1:04:24] of mental health issues that this individual had, [1:04:26] as opposed to the increasing studies [1:04:28] that clearly document [1:04:29] that if you don't have those healthy interactions [1:04:31] with the opposite gender, [1:04:32] you will become increasingly less likely [1:04:34] to build those important building blocks of society [1:04:36] that you and I both agree on. [1:04:37] May I respond? [1:04:38] Please. [1:04:38] So basically what I'm advocating for, [1:04:41] sex is a great gift from God, [1:04:43] and it should be enjoyed in the context of marriage, [1:04:44] and I think it should actually incentivize people [1:04:46] to get married younger. [1:04:47] People should get married as young as possible, [1:04:49] have as many kids as possible, [1:04:50] and I'm not advocating for isolationism. [1:04:54] I'm saying if women are not selling themselves [1:04:56] on the internet, [1:04:57] men are actually gonna be more motivated [1:04:58] because it's so easily accessible to them. [1:05:00] I agree. [1:05:01] And so it goes twofold, [1:05:02] and you are right, [1:05:03] a man is more likely to have not slept with a woman [1:05:05] than a woman is a man in today's generation, [1:05:07] but both people need to step up [1:05:10] and not be slaves to themselves [1:05:12] because conservatism requires self-mastery. [1:05:14] Yeah, well, [1:05:15] so there's a second century rabbinic text, [1:05:17] The Ethics of Our Fathers. [1:05:17] It literally says that exact same thing. [1:05:19] It says who is strong, [1:05:20] that who conquers his desire. [1:05:21] Okay, pause. [1:05:22] Challenger, you've been voted off. [1:05:23] Thank you. [1:05:24] Thank you so much. [1:05:25] You did wonderful. [1:05:26] Since there's only two of you on that side, [1:05:29] would you like to debate this hot take? [1:05:32] Please. [1:05:33] Hi, welcome back. [1:05:35] So I think my biggest pet peeve with this [1:05:38] is the fact that at this point in time now, [1:05:41] when you said your stats as far as like, [1:05:42] well, women peak at two, [1:05:44] and that's where it like, you know, [1:05:45] goes to a whole nother statistic, right? [1:05:48] So- [1:05:48] Do you want me to respond to that point really quick? [1:05:50] I'm not done yet. [1:05:50] Okay. [1:05:50] One second. [1:05:51] So as far as like how that goes, [1:05:54] I agree with you that I believe OnlyFans, [1:05:56] I mean, it's one of those things [1:05:57] where I think that it takes advantage, [1:05:59] especially of young girls and everything else. [1:06:01] But I'm also like, [1:06:02] if you're an adult, [1:06:02] as long as you pay your taxes [1:06:03] and don't mess with my money, [1:06:04] you do what you want to do. [1:06:06] But I guess my biggest kind of pet peeve with this [1:06:09] is the fact that you're saying [1:06:10] you save it till marriage, [1:06:11] you save the country. [1:06:13] And that's a very bold statement. [1:06:15] Just say, because you didn't have sex, [1:06:17] you're saving America. [1:06:19] So I'm just kind of curious [1:06:20] as to why saving America is equal to sex, [1:06:24] but then sex can be demonized [1:06:26] when it comes to like the sex industry [1:06:27] and things of that nature. [1:06:29] So- [1:06:29] Yes. [1:06:29] So sex is like fire. [1:06:30] In its proper context, [1:06:31] it warms an entire home, [1:06:33] but when it's let out [1:06:34] and it's thrown on the rug for casual pleasure, [1:06:36] it burns the whole house down. [1:06:37] And what we see is, [1:06:38] especially as women, [1:06:39] I think we should care about this topic [1:06:40] because when our heart is on fire, [1:06:42] smoke is in our eyes. [1:06:43] And I think a lot of women struggle [1:06:44] to see red flags in men [1:06:45] because they've bonded to them in that way. [1:06:48] And men can actually detach. [1:06:49] And so I would say [1:06:50] this is just as much a woman's issue [1:06:52] as it is a man's issue. [1:06:53] You're really discounting women's ability [1:06:54] to kind of control themselves. [1:06:56] No, biology, it's- [1:06:57] Well, no, [1:06:58] because each individual is different. [1:07:00] So feelings are different. [1:07:01] Abilities are different. [1:07:02] Talents are different. [1:07:03] Everything is different [1:07:03] from woman to woman. [1:07:04] Would you agree that sex bonds you [1:07:05] to a man, yes or no? [1:07:06] I mean, not necessarily. [1:07:08] It actually does. [1:07:08] It's scientific. [1:07:09] I mean, again, [1:07:09] that's a beautiful sentiment. [1:07:11] It's scientific. [1:07:12] But it's one of those things where, [1:07:14] and I mean, [1:07:14] would you say the same thing [1:07:15] if it was two lesbians, [1:07:17] two gay men, [1:07:17] that once they do it, [1:07:19] that they're bonded for life? [1:07:20] Like a eagle? [1:07:21] I think that when you, [1:07:22] even, [1:07:22] I'm saving my first kiss [1:07:23] for my wedding day [1:07:24] because even something like that [1:07:25] is bonding. [1:07:26] Of course, [1:07:27] sex itself is the most bonding act. [1:07:29] It makes two people become one. [1:07:31] And the more- [1:07:31] How can you bond if you don't know? [1:07:34] Say that again? [1:07:35] So you said, [1:07:35] you know, [1:07:35] you're saving your first kiss [1:07:36] because then that's when, [1:07:38] that's when, [1:07:38] I guess, [1:07:39] like your first step of bonding, [1:07:40] right? [1:07:40] Mm-hmm. [1:07:41] How do you even know [1:07:42] that you're then bonded [1:07:43] and compatible? [1:07:44] Because it allows you [1:07:45] to see a man's soul [1:07:46] and his character [1:07:47] because you're not blinded [1:07:48] by attraction or charm. [1:07:49] I don't need a kiss [1:07:50] for one to know [1:07:50] if I'm in a chat. [1:07:51] I mean, let's be honest. [1:07:51] Everybody's gone through [1:07:52] the cupcake phase. [1:07:53] Every red flag looks really nice [1:07:55] when you have rose-tinted glass. [1:07:56] What is the cupcake? [1:07:57] The cupcake phase? [1:07:57] Yeah, I'm not familiar. [1:07:58] The cupcake phase [1:07:58] is where in the beginning, [1:07:59] you know, [1:08:00] everything's all hunky-dory, [1:08:01] you know, [1:08:01] everything's great. [1:08:02] All the dates are great [1:08:03] and everything else. [1:08:04] And then as you grow with a person, [1:08:06] you slowly more and more [1:08:07] get to know them. [1:08:08] Absolutely. [1:08:08] And wouldn't it be better [1:08:09] when you realize [1:08:09] they're not a good person [1:08:10] that you didn't kiss them [1:08:11] and you didn't sleep with them? [1:08:12] I mean, [1:08:13] I'm so thankful for my crushes [1:08:14] that I didn't do that with. [1:08:16] I think that... [1:08:17] Sounds like you need [1:08:17] to pick something better. [1:08:18] But it's one of those things [1:08:19] where for me, right, [1:08:22] it's one of those things [1:08:23] where if it's an [1:08:24] interpersonal thing, right? [1:08:25] I think we can all agree [1:08:26] that people should do [1:08:27] whatever they want to do [1:08:28] behind closed doors. [1:08:29] No, I think that moral decay... [1:08:30] So then at that point... [1:08:30] Hold on. [1:08:31] Then why is it at that point [1:08:32] your business to dictate [1:08:34] what everybody else should do [1:08:35] to, quote, [1:08:35] save the country? [1:08:36] Are you saying now [1:08:37] that anybody that has [1:08:37] premarital sex, [1:08:38] you are not saving the country, [1:08:41] you're a detriment? [1:08:42] So what I'm saying is [1:08:43] I'm talking about... [1:08:43] Okay, pause. [1:08:45] Hot take debater, [1:08:45] you have been voted off. [1:08:46] Thank you. [1:08:48] I'll say nice to you again. [1:08:49] Whoever wants to challenge [1:08:50] this hot take, [1:08:51] run in three, two, one. [1:08:55] Hi, how are you doing? [1:08:56] I'm Troy. [1:08:56] Good, how are you? [1:08:57] Hey, good. [1:08:57] So you said something [1:08:58] interesting to that girl [1:08:59] and I just want to pick up there. [1:09:00] She said she had crushes [1:09:01] and she was glad [1:09:02] she didn't sleep with them. [1:09:03] You said something [1:09:03] along the lines of, [1:09:04] oh, it sounds like [1:09:04] you need to make better choices. [1:09:05] She said that she didn't kiss them [1:09:07] and that she didn't move forward with them. [1:09:08] Right, and you said [1:09:08] she should make better choices. [1:09:10] So I have to... [1:09:10] No, I said... [1:09:11] No, no, no. [1:09:11] Do you have any questions [1:09:11] what I mean by that [1:09:13] is at that point [1:09:14] you then put in your time, [1:09:16] that effort, [1:09:16] you saw that person's colors. [1:09:18] If it's gotten to a point now [1:09:19] because especially, [1:09:20] not picking on you, [1:09:21] especially the fact [1:09:22] that she's preaching [1:09:23] get married young, [1:09:24] do all the things. [1:09:25] It's very difficult to do that [1:09:26] and truly see somebody's colors [1:09:28] when they're young. [1:09:29] Unless she had sex with them? [1:09:30] I never once said to have sex. [1:09:32] She's the one that said kiss. [1:09:33] We're talking about her claim though. [1:09:34] Hold hands, [1:09:35] anything physical [1:09:36] that bonds you. [1:09:37] When she's saying [1:09:38] don't have premarital sex, [1:09:39] you're saying [1:09:39] how am I supposed [1:09:40] to get to know someone [1:09:41] if I don't have premarital sex? [1:09:42] That's got to be [1:09:44] My point is, [1:09:45] obviously I think [1:09:46] women should be more selective [1:09:47] about who they sleep with, [1:09:48] right? [1:09:49] Okay, that's her claim. [1:09:50] But my whole point [1:09:51] my whole point is [1:09:53] that doesn't necessarily mean [1:09:54] you are now a detriment [1:09:55] to the country. [1:09:56] It doesn't mean [1:09:56] that's going to save everything. [1:09:57] That's not what she said. [1:09:58] She said the country [1:09:59] would be better off [1:09:59] if it would save the country. [1:10:00] Hold on. [1:10:00] Her claim was [1:10:01] if you have premarital sex, [1:10:03] you're not saving the country. [1:10:04] No, that's actually not her. [1:10:05] If you save yourself for marriage [1:10:07] then you save the country. [1:10:08] Same thing, different phrasing. [1:10:09] She's saying it's a good thing [1:10:10] to not... [1:10:11] I'm not saying go out [1:10:11] and be a hoe [1:10:12] by any means. [1:10:13] Do you think saving yourself [1:10:14] for marriage is a good thing? [1:10:15] Some people never get married, [1:10:16] right? [1:10:16] Do you think saving yourself [1:10:17] for marriage is a good thing? [1:10:19] Sure. [1:10:19] I mean, I don't... [1:10:20] I'm not a part of that [1:10:21] Christian, biblical belief system. [1:10:23] I'm actually not either. [1:10:24] But do you... [1:10:25] Can you... [1:10:25] I can agree secularly. [1:10:27] I mean, I'm sure... [1:10:27] She actually cited [1:10:28] a very important study [1:10:29] that divorce rates [1:10:30] do increase [1:10:30] as body count goes up. [1:10:32] Do you... [1:10:32] Are you familiar [1:10:33] with this study? [1:10:34] Well, it's one of those things [1:10:35] where for me, [1:10:36] that to me is... [1:10:37] Again, it goes by [1:10:37] an individual basis. [1:10:39] Okay, but do you know [1:10:40] how studies go on [1:10:41] like general... [1:10:41] Again, I'm not saying [1:10:42] you should go sleep [1:10:43] with 30 people. [1:10:43] I think y'all really [1:10:44] focused on that right now. [1:10:45] It's one of those things [1:10:46] where... [1:10:47] She cited a study. [1:10:48] Can I finish something? [1:10:49] Or are you going to keep going? [1:10:49] Just to answer my question, [1:10:50] are you aware of her study? [1:10:52] Do you disagree with the study? [1:10:53] Do you think it's like fake? [1:10:54] I... [1:10:54] I'm... [1:10:55] And again, [1:10:55] if it's a stat, [1:10:56] stats change all the time [1:10:57] as more data is collected. [1:10:59] Sure. [1:10:59] So it's one of those things [1:11:00] where if that's the case now, [1:11:01] sure, okay, good. [1:11:02] So divorce rates strongly correlate [1:11:04] with premarital. [1:11:04] All right, debater. [1:11:06] You have been voted off. [1:11:07] Thank you. [1:11:08] Bring me shabos. [1:11:09] Okay, who wants to debate this? [1:11:11] In three, two, one, go. [1:11:14] Okay, so I'm going to get [1:11:16] in probably a lot of flack [1:11:17] for anyone who sees this. [1:11:18] I actually don't disagree at all. [1:11:19] The problem is how... [1:11:20] That's nice. [1:11:20] How do you implement it? [1:11:22] Like, it is this like [1:11:23] beautiful utopia. [1:11:24] And I agree, [1:11:25] and this might be a question [1:11:26] for the original person who... [1:11:29] The lovely lady [1:11:30] who presented this. [1:11:31] But I completely agree, though. [1:11:34] Ideally, if you have [1:11:35] stronger family units, [1:11:36] you're going to have more kids. [1:11:38] You're going to have better values. [1:11:39] Your country's going to do better. [1:11:40] You're not going to have to [1:11:41] solve the problem with like, [1:11:43] oh, there's not enough people. [1:11:43] We need to import them and stuff. [1:11:45] It'll solve so many things. [1:11:46] How do you implement it? [1:11:47] Yeah, so there's some things [1:11:48] are legal fixes [1:11:49] and some things are cultural fixes. [1:11:50] I'm standing in her shoes, [1:11:51] so I'll advocate [1:11:52] for what she was saying. [1:11:53] That's what I'm like. [1:11:53] She's talking about [1:11:53] a cultural fix, right? [1:11:54] I don't think she's trying to say, [1:11:56] I'm going to throw you in prison [1:11:57] if you have premarital sex. [1:11:58] The position is, [1:11:59] it would be good [1:12:00] if people didn't have premarital sex. [1:12:02] Let's create a culture [1:12:02] where that's the norm. [1:12:03] Let's not do things like [1:12:04] shame guys for not having sex. [1:12:06] I mean, look, we both, [1:12:06] we were probably the same age-ish. [1:12:08] When we were in high school, [1:12:09] when we were in college, [1:12:09] there was obviously like [1:12:10] pressure to have sex, right? [1:12:12] There was pressure that, [1:12:12] oh, you're cool. [1:12:13] I mean, I actually went to BYU, [1:12:14] so there was no pressure to have sex. [1:12:16] That was very much don't have sex. [1:12:18] Okay, hope they don't see that. [1:12:19] But yeah. [1:12:19] There's a lot of cultural pressure [1:12:21] to have young men have sex. [1:12:22] Most men are not gay, [1:12:23] so it's going to be with women, right? [1:12:24] So that's going to cause these [1:12:25] like body count rates to go up. [1:12:26] We can change that culture [1:12:27] and just focus on more wholesome things. [1:12:29] Focus on the actual virtues [1:12:30] that make humans great, right? [1:12:32] Encourage people to do [1:12:33] positive, affirmative things [1:12:34] rather than just go and sleep [1:12:36] with 30 people at a rave [1:12:37] or go to the club. [1:12:38] No, I don't disagree at all. [1:12:39] I think that Chavez's point [1:12:41] that like people are lonely [1:12:43] and everything, [1:12:43] it's a huge problem. [1:12:44] And I think that, you know, [1:12:46] the difficult thing is [1:12:48] how do you implement it? [1:12:48] How do you get people off their phones? [1:12:49] How do you get people to [1:12:50] to be out more with their people? [1:12:52] How do you get people to- [1:12:52] Firstly, we should stop [1:12:54] increasing the pornification of culture. [1:12:55] Chavez brought up ideas [1:12:57] like OnlyFans stuff. [1:12:58] We need to ban pornography. [1:12:59] Do you disagree? [1:12:59] The problem with that [1:13:00] is even if you ban pornography, [1:13:02] there's probably going to be [1:13:02] underground pornography, right? [1:13:04] Yeah, but it'd be less. [1:13:04] If you ban drugs, [1:13:05] there's underground drugs. [1:13:06] We should still ban drugs. [1:13:07] And sure, but even that [1:13:09] doesn't mean that, [1:13:09] okay, maybe everyone [1:13:10] is going to start getting together, [1:13:11] but that doesn't mean [1:13:12] that now that they're actually together, [1:13:13] they're not going to be having [1:13:14] rampant sex. [1:13:15] It would reduce it though, right? [1:13:16] Maybe they might be having [1:13:18] a lot more sex [1:13:19] than they are now. [1:13:20] I think that was what it was [1:13:22] like 10-ish years ago [1:13:23] before like the cell phone. [1:13:24] I think that there were [1:13:25] a lot more people. [1:13:26] So Gen Z having lower rates [1:13:27] of sex though, [1:13:27] I don't think that's just like [1:13:28] Gen Z had some collective [1:13:29] unconscious choice to do this. [1:13:31] I think there's like social factors [1:13:32] that are making them have less sex. [1:13:34] And so he brought up that [1:13:35] they're sad [1:13:35] and they're having less sex. [1:13:36] I don't think they're sad [1:13:37] because they're having less sex. [1:13:38] I think they're having less sex [1:13:39] because they're depressed. [1:13:40] Oh yeah, it's probably true. [1:13:41] Right, it's the other direction. [1:13:42] But yeah, yeah, but again, [1:13:43] like how do you implement it? [1:13:44] So you're saying just ban pornography [1:13:45] and everything's going to like fall in place? [1:13:46] No, there's several things [1:13:47] you'd have to do. [1:13:48] You would need to limit ban pornography. [1:13:49] Stop doing the only fanzification [1:13:51] of culture where we tell women [1:13:52] you could be a millionaire [1:13:53] if you just go and do [1:13:54] all this like sexual stuff. [1:13:56] Stop putting on people's Instagram reels [1:13:57] soft core pornography. [1:13:59] Stop having sexual content accessible [1:14:01] everywhere constantly shoved on people. [1:14:03] TV needs to have [1:14:04] a little bit better sensors. [1:14:05] Think about what goes on TV nowadays [1:14:06] versus when we were kids growing up. [1:14:08] What could be on like channel 11? [1:14:09] Like I love this idea. [1:14:11] I really do. [1:14:11] And time is up for this debate. [1:14:13] Thank you guys. [1:14:14] Thank you. [1:14:15] Thank you guys all [1:14:17] for being so honest, open [1:14:19] and willing to challenge [1:14:20] each other here today. [1:14:21] I'll see you guys next time [1:14:22] on Hot Takes.