1 Democrat vs 25 Trump Voters (Feat. Destiny) — Surrounded

[0:00] I don't think you know what American values are. [0:01] I don't think you know what this country was founded or built upon. [0:03] And I think you guys are obsessed with a cult leader [0:05] who is taking the entire Republican Party off of a cliff. [0:08] Everything he say, he do. [0:09] Trump is gangster. Remember. [0:10] Can you give me one thing you don't like about Trump? [0:12] I love everything about Trump. [0:13] I know, because it's a cult. Thank you. [0:15] It's not a cult. [0:16] Hey, my name is Stephen Bonnell. [0:18] Online, I'm known as Destiny. [0:20] I debate politics on YouTube at youtube.com slash destiny. [0:23] Today, I am surrounded by 20 Trump supporters. [0:26] My first claim is that Donald Trump is unfit to be the U.S. president. [0:33] Pleasure to meet you. [0:44] Yeah, pleasure to meet you. [0:46] All right. [0:46] So you say that President Trump is unfit to take the presidency. [0:49] Why is that? [0:50] I would say that one of the most important values that we have as Americans [0:53] is our form of government and things like respecting the peaceful transfer of power. [0:57] I think that being able to conceive when you've lost an election is really important. [1:00] So I would argue that the events that took place leading up to and on January 6th [1:04] are in and of themselves, among a whole bunch of other actions, [1:06] immediately disqualifying for the office of presidency. [1:09] Okay. So Steve, let's talk about January 6th. [1:11] What happened that day in your mind and why does that disqualify President Trump? [1:14] I think that Donald Trump was unwilling to accept the results of the elections. [1:17] I think that he fabricated slates of electors in order to have his vice president pick him [1:23] to be the winner in the Capitol building on January 6th, [1:26] even though he didn't have the votes or the evidence to support it. [1:28] I think that there's a wholly undemocratic thing. [1:30] I think that it is destructive and undermines our democratic process of governance. [1:34] Do you attribute the violence on January 6th to Trump? [1:36] Largely, yes. [1:37] I think that Donald Trump had been stoking the flames a year before the election, [1:42] saying that the election was going to be rigged. [1:44] I think that Donald Trump stoked all of these claims basically with no evidence. [1:48] And then I think that he continued to stoke the flames while fabricating them, [1:52] that the election had been stolen, that there was voter fraud. [1:54] And then he invited people on the day of the certification, [1:57] telling them that their election had been stolen, [2:00] their country was being taken from them, [2:01] they needed a fight like hell and they were going to lose everything. [2:03] He knew what he was inviting them there for. [2:05] He knew what he was asking them to do. [2:06] He also told them to enter, to go down to the Capitol peacefully and patriotically, right? [2:10] What time did protesters first go into the Capitol? [2:12] What time did they first enter the Capitol? [2:14] I think it was around 10 a.m. I think is when the Capitol grounds were breached. [2:18] No, 2.11 p.m. [2:19] No, to be clear, that's not true. [2:21] 2.11 p.m. is when protesters first entered the United States Capitol. [2:25] There's the grounds that were secured outside, though. [2:27] Those grounds were breached while Trump was still giving his speech at the Ellipse. [2:30] Okay, let's talk about the entrance of the Capitol, [2:32] because that would be more severe in your mind than simply walking onto the property, right? [2:35] Can you concede that point? [2:36] Probably not. [2:37] I think they were all really bad, but... [2:38] Okay, well, entering the Capitol, let's just mark that point. [2:41] 2.11, what should Trump have done at that point? [2:44] As soon as the Capitol grounds themselves were breached, [2:47] he probably should have put out a statement on social media [2:48] telling people that they needed to go home [2:50] instead of telling them that Pence had failed them [2:53] and basically encouraging the violence to continue. [2:54] So what if I told you at 2.38 p.m., President Trump tweeted, [2:57] stay peaceful. [2:59] He tweeted that to his supporters, stay peaceful. [3:01] He tweeted that. [3:01] 27 minutes later. [3:03] He tweeted that after Ashley Babbitt, I believe, had already been shot and killed. [3:06] Okay, so... [3:07] So what does that mean when you tell your people to stay peaceful? [3:08] They're not being peaceful. [3:09] That doesn't make any sense, right? [3:10] 2.38 p.m., 27 minutes after the Capitol had been... [3:13] Protesters had entered, he said, stay peaceful. [3:15] Okay, at 3.13, he said, law and order. [3:18] At 4.17, he posted a video saying, go home now. [3:21] So what on earth was he supposed to have done? [3:24] I'm not happy about some of the violence that we saw on January 6th, [3:28] but let's put it in context, Steve. [3:30] Well, wait, wait, you just said it. [3:31] You just said what he should have done. [3:32] The tweet that he did at 4.17, he should have done that. [3:35] No, no, that was a video. [3:35] That was the third call for folks to... [3:38] It was the first time that he told them to go home. [3:42] Stay peaceful 27 minutes after the Capitol, [3:45] protests had entered the Capitol? [3:45] After Ashley Babbitt had already been shot and killed. [3:48] They weren't being peaceful. [3:48] Why are we saying stay peaceful? [3:50] At this point, Pence had already been... [3:51] Doesn't matter, there's a red herring. [3:53] Hold on. [3:54] Do you acknowledge that people broke into the Capitol? [3:56] What do you mean by break into the Capitol? [3:57] As in smashed... [3:59] They entered it illegally. [4:00] They broke down a barricade. [4:01] 100,000 people were there that day. [4:02] How many were charged with crimes? [4:03] 100,000 people there. [4:04] How many were charged with crimes? [4:05] Do you acknowledge that people broke into the Capitol? [4:06] How many were charged with crimes then? [4:08] How many people in the BLM rights were charged with crimes? [4:09] This is a red herring. [4:10] No, no, it's not. [4:10] How many people who... [4:11] You said they're violent. [4:12] How many were there that day? [4:13] 100,000. [4:14] How many were charged with crimes? [4:15] It's the largest FBI investigation history. [4:16] 1,553... [4:18] It's not relevant at all. [4:19] ...have been charged with crimes. [4:20] How can you say they were all violent? [4:21] It's not relevant. [4:22] How can you say they were all violent? [4:23] The first people that got into the Capitol, did they break in? [4:25] Is January 6th your only reason why he's unfit? [4:27] Wait, wait, wait. [4:27] Did the first people into the Capitol break in? [4:29] Is January 6th the only reason he's unfit? [4:32] Are you unwilling to answer that question? [4:33] Is January 6th the only reason... [4:34] Are you unwilling to answer... [4:35] You can say yes, you don't want to answer it, then move on, because you know the implications [4:38] are terrible for you. [4:39] That's fine if you want to. [4:39] The reality of the situation is... [4:40] The reality of the situation is people broke in the Capitol. [4:41] What is the number one voter for voters? [4:43] They delayed the certification of the vote. [4:44] What is the number one issue for voters? [4:45] They delayed the certification of the vote. [4:47] What is the number one issue for voters? [4:48] It doesn't... [4:49] The vote was certified. [4:51] Was it not certified? [4:51] Was there a delay in the certification? [4:52] Was there a delay in the certification? [4:54] It was because the National Guard showed up and they kicked the people out after Donald [4:58] Trump was forced to tell them they were going home after watching them break in for [5:00] three hours and do nothing. [5:02] By your own admission, they said... [5:04] Let's have a productive conversation, Steve. [5:04] No, we're not having a productive one, because you're not answering any of my questions. [5:06] You're going. [5:07] Okay. [5:07] Yeah, I asked you a very simple question. [5:08] The first person that got into the Capitol, who wasn't allowed in, how did he get in? [5:13] They walked into the Capitol. [5:14] No, they broke in with a riot shield that he's stolen from an officer. [5:17] Okay, and that makes President Trump unfit for office. [5:19] Do you acknowledge that that happened? [5:20] Are we living in the same reality right now? [5:22] Do you acknowledge that that happened? [5:22] There was violence on January 6th. [5:24] I acknowledge that. [5:24] There was 100,000 protesters. [5:25] You see how I'm making a specific claim? [5:26] 1500... [5:27] Do you know what one plus one is? [5:28] I do. [5:28] What is one plus one? [5:29] I think it's two. [5:30] Okay, okay, good, good, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay, okay. [5:31] I think, but math is racist, math is racist, Stephen. [5:34] The first person, the first person that got into the Capitol building, how did they get in? [5:37] You were arguing that Trump is unfit. [5:39] Okay, let's try this. [5:44] How did he get in? [5:45] Why not just say he broke in? [5:45] Listen, is your entire argument about January 6th yes or no? [5:48] Well, my biggest argument right now is that conservatives are delusional, and they don't [5:50] exist in the same reality that we do, so any other conversation... [5:52] Why must you attack 75 million voters? [5:54] Pause. [5:55] You've been voted out by the majority. [5:57] Please return to your seat. [5:58] Thank you. [5:58] Yeah, thanks. [5:59] Hi, how's it going? [6:10] How are you? [6:11] That's good. [6:11] Pretty good. [6:11] Good to see you again. [6:12] Yep. [6:12] So, you don't think Donald Trump is fit for office based on January 6th, however... [6:17] I'm on the other, thanks, yeah. [6:18] However, we have to admit that January 6th was compromised. [6:22] There were patriots, and there was Antifa. [6:24] There were people who were... [6:25] Yes, there were. [6:26] No, there were not. [6:26] I have video of it. [6:27] Don't argue with... [6:28] Don't argue with me, because I actually have video of people who are on the ground, who [6:31] I have video of people in Black Block getting dressed up in MAGA gear. [6:35] Okay. [6:35] And according to... [6:36] It's 1420. [6:36] Of course, you don't have a video, but let's see how long it takes. [6:38] I do have the video. [6:39] Who was the first person to break into the Capitol? [6:41] Was it Antifa? [6:41] It was an Antifa person. [6:42] Yes, it was. [6:43] You're wrong. [6:43] And it's actually... [6:44] If you read Andy Knows' book about Antifa unmasked, it actually talks about how they use [6:49] the premise of a broken window to then allow other people to come in, because people [6:53] are a mass, they're a group, they're like a herd of cows, and when there's a broken [6:57] window, they don't see anything wrong with walking into a building if the window's already [7:00] broken. [7:01] I thought conservatives were the party of law and order. [7:03] If you were outside somebody's house and you saw somebody break in, you think you could [7:05] walk in afterwards? [7:06] This example is even continued through BLM in the riot of 2020. [7:09] We're not talking about BLM right now. [7:10] Although I'm glad it took us 40 seconds. [7:12] It's not the same pattern. [7:12] The pattern in 2020 is the same that happened in January 6th, where you had innocent people [7:16] moving into a facility that they didn't know that it was wrong, because the doors [7:19] were already open. [7:20] There was broken glass on the floor, there were doors that were being broken into, everybody [7:27] knew when they were going in there. [7:29] As MAGA were not MAGA. [7:30] Oh, okay. [7:31] So were all of the indictments and the convictions for people like Enrique Tarrio, for Stuart [7:34] Rhodes, all these people that have been directly involved, all the video footage of breaking- [7:37] Which one of these people was his commander? [7:39] Name one of the commanders of the insurrection. [7:41] Enrique Tarrio was the CEO of the Proud Boys, Stuart Rhodes was the CEO- [7:43] Is he a commander? [7:44] Is he a commander in the insurrection? [7:45] I don't know what their official military roles were. [7:47] Name the lieutenant in the insurrection. [7:48] Why do I have to name the insurrection? [7:49] An insurrection is going to have people like commanders, generals, captains, people- [7:53] No, it doesn't need to at all. [7:55] Yes, it does. [7:56] Absolutely, it does. [7:57] But the Proud Boys had a leadership structure. [7:58] Yes, it does. [7:59] If you'd like, you can go and read the indictments, you can find the structure. [8:00] There was no leadership structure. [8:01] It can't be an insurrection if there is no leadership structure. [8:03] You can't even name one of Donald Trump's commanders in this. [8:06] And then this gentleman- [8:07] They're all listed in the indictments. [8:08] I already gave you the CEO of the Proud Boys. [8:10] They're the ones that broke in. [8:11] Donald Trump made four tweets, and those four tweets didn't even make it out of his sphere [8:16] because they were immediately suppressed by the media. [8:18] They weren't suppressed at all. [8:19] That is- [8:20] They were deleted. [8:21] They were deleted. [8:22] No, they weren't. [8:23] You're lying. [8:24] You can always see those tweets still. [8:25] They were on stage on his town hall and said, look, here are the tweets that you deleted. [8:30] How do you explain that other than a fascist system who doesn't want Donald Trump? [8:34] I can explain. [8:35] I can explain. [8:36] Yeah. [8:37] The calls for peace came three hours while he- [8:38] No, they weren't. [8:39] Wait, so do you- [8:40] He just told you that it came 22 minutes. [8:41] Do you acknowledge that Donald Trump sat in his room for three hours before he told people [8:45] to go home watching the violence unfold? [8:46] Donald Trump gave a speech. [8:47] You won't answer a question. [8:48] Donald Trump gave a speech. [8:49] I don't care. [8:50] I don't care. [8:51] You don't care about the facts. [8:52] No, no. [8:53] I can answer your question if you answer my question. [8:55] Do you acknowledge that he sat for three hours- [8:57] No, he didn't sit for three hours because he gave a speech during those three hours. [9:00] No, at the very end, he went after the ellipse speech was done. [9:04] He went back to the White House and then he sat in a room with a Diet Coke and he watched [9:08] the violence unfold. [9:09] How do you know this? [9:10] Because it's accounted for by like testimony. [9:12] Were you there? [9:13] Were you there? [9:14] How do you know what's happening at the border? [9:15] What's happening in China? [9:16] Are you there? [9:17] What do you mean? [9:18] Actually, this gentleman is actually there. [9:19] Hold on. [9:20] I'm sorry. [9:21] Have you personally witnessed it? [9:22] You're making these claims that he sat there- [9:23] I'm making this claim based on hundreds of hours of deposition testimony by people that [9:28] have been in front of a number of courts, in front of the J6 committee, in front of the [9:31] media, in front of the- [9:32] Okay, pause. [9:33] There's so many different people that are willing to testify to all of this. [9:34] Pause. [9:35] You've been voted out by the majority. [9:36] Thank you. [9:37] Please return to your seats. [9:38] Hi, what's up? [9:43] So, I think that, you know, we've been talking about January 6th. [9:49] I'll be the first to say that, and I think a lot of people here would agree that there [9:53] were bad actors that day. [9:55] I'm someone who comes from a family of law enforcement, family of military, so I believe [9:59] in law and order. [10:00] And so I do believe that there were people on that day who took things way too far. [10:04] And I think most Republicans understand that. [10:08] From people that I had talked to on the ground, I think that the media blew it up into something [10:13] bigger than it was. [10:14] Again, I'm not saying that people who broke into the Capitol shouldn't have, but I do [10:18] believe that there's a lot of people who are misled. [10:20] You know, there's evidence that's coming out with all the tapes that are coming out from [10:25] January 6th showing police officers were actually escorting people through the hallways. [10:30] So, to say that every single person who entered that building is, you know, a criminal, I [10:34] think a lot of people... [10:36] Just to be clear, that's never been my claim, that every single person entered was the building [10:40] is such a boring and uninteresting, I would never waste my time making it. [10:43] The reality was, I do agree with you on your fundamental. [10:45] There are a lot of people that were misled. [10:46] I do agree with that. [10:47] And I think that Donald Trump was behind that misleading the entire time. [10:50] The people were there because he was tweeting out at them saying, [10:53] come here for a historic protest. [10:55] It was obvious what the protest was going to be. [10:57] They were protesting the certification of the vote and what happened. [10:59] President Trump never told anyone to break into the Capitol. [11:02] President Trump has always run on a campaign of law and order. [11:05] No, he hasn't. [11:06] And to respect his police. [11:07] Okay, where's your evidence of that? [11:08] The whole plot on January 6th was to break the law. [11:11] To have Mike Pence choose him to be the president. [11:13] At what point did President Trump tell people to break into the Capitol? [11:17] No, no, no. [11:18] When he wanted Pence to choose him to be the president. [11:20] No, no, no. [11:21] But talking about breaking the law... [11:23] That's breaking the law. [11:24] The law was the Electoral Count Act. [11:26] He wanted him to break that law. [11:27] What you're saying is that you had... [11:29] That he was inciting an insurrection. [11:32] He was saying that as well, yeah. [11:33] He was inciting an insurrection and telling people to basically break in. [11:37] People they needed to fight like hell or they were going to lose their country. [11:40] Okay. [11:41] He said that they needed more... [11:42] How does that have anything to do with breaking into the Capitol? [11:44] Yes, again... [11:45] There are bad factors. [11:46] So just to be clear. [11:47] He told people to go to J6 because it would be a historic something. [11:50] A historic event. [11:51] When they all got there and they showed up at his speech at the Ellipse for an hour, [11:55] he riles them up telling them they're going to lose their country. [11:58] That they're trying to steal it from you. [12:00] That you need to fight like hell. [12:01] Giuliani was just on there before saying trial by combat. [12:03] He said all these things. [12:04] And then all these people, he said, we're going to march down Pennsylvania. [12:07] They all marched to the Capitol. [12:08] Is there anything wrong with protesting outside the Capitol? [12:10] I'm just asking like, was the fact that there was a break into the Capitol, [12:13] and for the first time in U.S. history the vote certification was delayed, [12:16] was that just a coincidence? [12:17] Okay. [12:18] Is that... [12:19] I just want to know that. [12:20] Before you ask a bunch of random questions, was it just a coincidence [12:23] that a break-in happened and the vote was delayed? [12:26] Was that a coincidence? [12:27] Because people broke into the Capitol, that can't be blamed on President Trump. [12:30] So it was a coincidence. [12:31] Can you say that? [12:32] Can you hear you say that? [12:33] It was a coincidence. [12:34] President Trump has always ran on law and order and for people... [12:36] It was a coincidence then. [12:37] And yes, there were bad actors. [12:38] It was a coincidence then. [12:39] But let's move to the certification. [12:40] This is insane. [12:41] No, no, no, no, no, no. [12:42] Let's move to the certification. [12:43] Nothing about you is law and order. [12:44] Okay, in 2016... [12:45] You said your family is law and order? [12:46] Is this coincidental? [12:47] In 2016, I've already said that there were bad actors. [12:50] In 2016, Democrats questioned the election of President Trump. [12:53] No. [12:54] Yes, they did. [12:55] Sheila Jackson... [12:56] When did Hillary want to concede? [12:57] He's not going to answer this question either. [12:58] No, no. [12:59] Sheila Jackson... [13:00] He won't answer it. [13:01] I'm going to ask it again when you're done. [13:02] Sheila Jackson and two other Democrats had spoke and said that they were going [13:07] to question and to hopefully delay the certification in 2016 when President Trump was election. [13:14] When did Hillary Clinton concede? [13:15] And look... [13:16] The answer is that night, right? [13:17] The answer is that night. [13:18] Was the certification of the vote delayed? [13:20] The answer is no, it wasn't. [13:21] There are questions... [13:22] Was there a riot at the Capitol? [13:23] The answer is no, right? [13:24] So none of what you're saying is relevant here. [13:25] I am from Arizona. [13:26] I was in the middle of the elections in 2022. [13:30] I've been there. [13:31] I saw what happened in 2020. [13:32] There are serious questions about what is happening. [13:34] No, there aren't. [13:35] You think there are because... [13:36] Okay, okay, hold on. [13:37] Hold on. [13:38] I'm from Arizona. [13:39] I've worked in this. [13:40] I don't care if you're from Arizona. [13:41] I don't care that you worked in it. [13:42] Every single court case on this failed for good reason, right? [13:44] It's failed on standing. [13:45] No, that's not true. [13:46] A lot of them were tossed in evidentiary, number one. [13:48] And number two... [13:49] Do you agree that standing is important for a case? [13:50] Let me get to my point. [13:51] Let me get to my point. [13:52] You have no point. [13:53] Yes, I do. [13:54] You're fabricating information in real-time in 4K. [13:55] There is serious... [13:56] Or maybe 1080p if that's what they broadcast in. [13:57] Okay, pause. [13:58] There is serious questions. [13:59] You've been voted out by the majority. [14:01] Please return to your seats. [14:02] Okay. [14:10] Hi. [14:11] What's up? [14:12] I just have questions. [14:13] I'm more... [14:14] I like to ask people questions. [14:15] I'm interested in hearing how people think. [14:18] So when you're talking about the insurrection on January 6th, [14:21] what would you describe during when Kavanaugh was elected to the Supreme Court [14:26] and you had all the protestors at the Capitol. [14:28] They were banging on the Capitol doors. [14:29] They were screaming. [14:30] They were yelling. [14:31] How do you feel about that? [14:32] I would have to know the specifics of the event. [14:34] I don't recall any proceedings being delayed. [14:36] I don't recall there being a top-down call from the president to lead these... [14:40] You don't remember that they had to stop the congressional meetings [14:42] because people were banging on the door and being so loud and trying to break into the doors? [14:45] If they did, then it's bad. [14:47] Yeah, I agree. [14:48] Just to be clear, this is the difference between me and you, okay? [14:51] Is that if everything you're telling me is true... [14:53] Oh, I'm a female. [14:54] I'm a female. [14:55] So that's obviously... [14:56] I'm a female. [14:57] Yeah, I just put it on. [14:58] I had a cowgirl hat on before. [14:59] That's the difference I'm talking about. [15:00] I don't believe you're a woman or not. [15:01] I'm a female and you're a male. [15:02] And it's almost like you're attacking me because I'm a female. [15:04] I'm not attacking you at all. [15:05] Are you anti-female? [15:06] Half the time I am, okay? [15:07] Okay, at least you're honest. [15:08] At least you're honest. [15:09] At least you're honest. [15:10] Yes, I am honest. [15:11] Sweetie, sweetie, can I ask you another question? [15:14] I didn't even answer your first question. [15:16] No, you said that you didn't know the specifics. [15:17] That isn't the answer, so I'm not going to force you into a yes or no... [15:20] I promise you can't force me to do anything. [15:22] Okay, I'm not... [15:23] If it happened as you said, I would say that's bad. [15:25] And you know what? [15:26] The people involved should be arrested. [15:27] I agree with you. [15:28] You're still yelling and I agree with you. [15:29] I'm not yelling. [15:30] I'm not even close to yelling yet. [15:31] I can if you want me to know. [15:32] Well, I'm glad you are protecting your voice because I couldn't hear you before. [15:33] Okay. [15:34] So I can definitely hear you now. [15:35] You can do the hair behind your ears. [15:36] Go ahead. [15:37] You want my hair behind my ears? [15:38] If it's inhibiting your ability to hear me speak, yes. [15:40] Well, actually, it's because you need the bottom of your... [15:42] I'm in the medical field, so the bottom of your tongue needs to be clipped. [15:46] So that's the reason why you have a lisp when you're talking. [15:49] Okay. [15:50] Anyway, if you want medical advice, I can do that. [15:51] But it's better to be private on that. [15:52] Oh, I'm good. [15:53] I have another question. [15:54] So we agree that during the Kavanaugh trials, if people were trying to break into the Supreme [15:57] Court, that's bad. [15:58] It would be a bad thing, yeah. [15:59] I agree with you on that, sweetie. [16:00] So, and the next thing is, I have a question for you, because you also brought up the border [16:03] on immigration, right? [16:04] Well, I haven't, but I see you want to. [16:06] Actually, you did. [16:07] They can play it back. [16:08] So anyway, what would you say if the Biden-Harrison... [16:10] We have the Biden-Harrison administration right now. [16:12] If our border was filled with neo-Nazis with tiki torches, what would happen? [16:16] You'd probably sell a whole lot more lighter fluid. [16:19] I don't know. [16:20] What do you mean? [16:21] No. [16:22] Okay. [16:23] Pause. [16:24] Pause. [16:34] Sorry. [16:35] You've been voted out by the majority. [16:36] Micah. [16:37] Okay. [16:38] I want to talk about the alternate slate of electors and how historically that has happened [16:43] before on the Democrat side. [16:45] Yes, it has. [16:46] In 1960, JFK against Nixon ran an alternate slate of electors. [16:51] In case it was overturned in Hawaii. [16:55] It was eventually overturned in Hawaii. [16:58] And so then those electors were certified and JFK won the state. [17:02] Yeah. [17:03] So I'm glad you bring this up real quick, because this is one of the biggest pieces of talking [17:05] points that you guys always bring up, but I don't know why. [17:07] In 1960, two slates of electors were authorized by the state legislature. [17:11] Both were granted the certificate of ascertainment from the governor because they knew that it was [17:14] a very close election and they'd authorized a recount. [17:16] And because that recount was going to go past the December, some mid-December date, December [17:21] 14th for the 2020 election, but some mid-December date for when they had to certify their vote. [17:25] So they said, okay, well, we'll send in both certificates. [17:27] And then on the day of the counting on January, whenever they would have done the certification [17:32] in Congress, then they can choose which one was authorized by the state legislature based [17:36] on the results of the recount. [17:37] Donald Trump's certificates were not authorized by any state legislature. [17:42] Do you acknowledge that? [17:43] Wait, wait, real quick. [17:44] Do you acknowledge real quick that none of the seven slaves that were certified by Donald Trump, [17:48] none of those were authorized by any state legislature? [17:50] Can I answer? [17:51] You're not going to. [17:52] No, I am. [17:53] No, I am. [17:54] No, no, no, no, no, no. [17:55] They weren't certified. [17:56] And why? [17:57] It's because fraud wasn't found. [17:58] It wasn't proven in court. [17:59] No, you're lying. [18:00] You're lying. [18:01] They were authorized. [18:02] You're saying fraud was found. [18:03] No, you're lying because those legislatures. [18:05] Wait, what are you saying I'm lying about? [18:07] They're lying because none of those alternative slates were arranged by the state legislatures. [18:11] They were arranged by Trump and his criminal co-conspirators. [18:14] None of the state legislatures, none of the state governors authorized those slates of electors. [18:19] Okay, what's wrong with that? [18:20] It's illegal, number one. [18:22] And number two. [18:23] What law? [18:24] What law says that? [18:25] You have laws that are governing how you're supposed to transmit. [18:28] No, no. [18:29] What law? [18:30] What law? [18:32] Do you want me to give you the specific statutes in Georgia, Arizona, New Zealand? [18:35] Is there... [18:36] I don't know them off the top of my head. [18:37] If you want, you can... [18:38] Okay, so then that's a baseless claim. [18:39] It's not a baseless claim. [18:40] Yeah, it is. [18:41] Chesbro and Eastman and... [18:42] You can't provide me a specific law. [18:43] Because I can't give you the state statute? [18:45] Yeah, if you can't give me a specific law, then why should I believe you? [18:50] There's no justification for that. [18:51] You have to provide evidence for that. [18:53] Hold on. [18:54] On the contrary, are you claiming there's no formal process that's codified in the legislature for how to send your... [18:59] You're trying to transmit your electoral votes? [19:01] Do they just do it randomly? [19:02] No, of course I'm saying... [19:03] Of course there's laws that are involved, but you can't point to the specific law that says that that is... [19:07] I don't know the numbers of them. [19:08] And so your claim is baseless. [19:09] It's always crazy to see that you guys will carry water. [19:12] Even Trump's own people don't deny this because they know that they're dead to rights. [19:16] Because the emails have leaked, the conversations have leaked, the Twitter posts are there that we can see from the accounts. [19:21] No, no, no. [19:22] Really? [19:23] What did I just say that was wrong? [19:24] One thing that I just said that was incorrect. [19:25] You're getting upset because I'm pressing you on the point. [19:27] No, I'm not. [19:28] You're not pressing you at all. [19:29] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [19:30] You're getting upset, dude. [19:31] You're floundering. [19:32] Dude. [19:33] You're like a magic carp. [19:34] You have no idea what you're talking about. [19:35] When you have to result to personal insults, that's when you know you're losing. [19:38] You already said that I was lying. [19:39] And so... [19:40] You can't name a single thing I'm incorrect about. [19:41] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [19:42] I can name multiple things you've been incorrect about. [19:43] You were incorrect... [19:44] And now you're not letting me get at work. [19:45] I think you're just speaking for yourself. [19:47] You're making yourself look foolish in this case. [19:49] Okay, go ahead. [19:50] But, okay, yeah, I mean, there's ten seconds. [19:51] Ten seconds, go. [19:52] Give me your hardest claim. [19:53] Again, it was for the same reason you can compare the election of 1960 to 2020. [19:59] It's the exact same thing. [20:00] They did that in case there were... [20:02] In case their cases actually came to fraud and they found fraud in the election. [20:07] That's time. [20:08] Micah, please return to your seat. [20:11] My next claim is that Harris would be a better president for immigration on the border than Donald Trump. [20:15] Oh, hey, what's up? [20:23] Long time to see. [20:24] Yeah. [20:25] All right, so why would Kamala Harris be better than Trump on immigration? [20:29] Because I don't know if Trump even knows what's actually wrong with the border. [20:32] He doesn't know what he's... [20:33] What do you mean by that? [20:34] I think that Republicans don't know what is happening right now with the problems of the immigration system. [20:39] A lot of people think that the issue is with illegal immigration. [20:41] It's not. [20:42] The problem is that our asylum process is completely and totally broken right now. [20:46] And the problem is the only way to rectify that is to change the laws governing, or at least some of the regulations governing the asylum process. [20:52] And when there was a bill on the table to do so, Donald Trump blocked it to keep the border open for an election issue. [20:57] But as it stands right now, you could have the biggest, strongest wall in the world with the best guns and all the people manning it. [21:03] It would make zero difference on illegal immigration. [21:05] They would still come up and claim asylum, and there's nothing you'd be able to do about it. [21:08] So do you think there's problems with illegal and illegal? That's what I'm hearing correctly? [21:11] Well, it's different classifications of immigrants, but like asylum seekers aren't technically illegal immigrants, even though Republicans call them that. [21:17] When they're doing the asylum seeking process and millions of people are here waiting to hear their case, technically that's all legal, which is an issue. [21:23] Okay. [21:24] But why would Kamala Harris be better than Trump? [21:27] He said she understands it better. [21:28] I think everybody understands the issue, but I think the Democrats and Republicans, at least the establishment, they don't want to fix the issue. [21:34] So I don't think everyone understands the issue. So every single person sitting here doesn't believe me when I just said that the laws on the books and the asylum process are the main issue. [21:43] They think it's just people illegally crossing the border, right? [21:45] The reason why I think that the Democrats would do something is because- [21:47] Isn't it also enforcement? Because they're not enforcing laws on the books. [21:49] They are enforcing. [21:50] People that shouldn't be here are here. [21:51] That's the issue. They're enforcing them. [21:52] Yeah, but there are people that are illegal here and they're not being sent back. [21:55] I mean, that's a whole other deportation thing. [21:58] So they're not enforcing the law then? [21:59] Well, who's they? [22:00] The government. [22:01] Which one? The state governments or the federal government? [22:03] All of them. [22:04] Well, the federal government doesn't have the resources to go in and try and find every single potential illegal immigrant in the United States. [22:08] There's a whole bunch of issues. [22:09] Well, we just send how many billions to Ukraine? [22:10] Like we have the money. [22:11] We can hire people. [22:12] There's a lot of people in this country. [22:13] So it can happen. [22:14] So the majority of like 80% of the aid we send to Ukraine is in the form of like used weapons and stuff. [22:18] Right. [22:19] But secondly, it's just a matter of even if you say we have the money for it, I mean, we would have to appropriate the funds for it and everything else to do it. [22:24] Like it's not a matter of simply saying like, oh, we're going to triple the size of the DHS or ICE or whatever to do. [22:28] But so now you're saying, so I understand, so you want to be tough on immigration, right? [22:32] And you think Kamala Harris is going to be tough on immigration, just generally speaking. [22:34] Like she's going to crack down on it, deport illegal, send them home. [22:37] I don't know. [22:38] I don't even, I'm not necessarily, I'm not talking about being tough on or deporting. [22:40] I'm just saying that to fix the issue we have right now, which is way too many people coming in and claiming asylum. [22:43] It's not good. [22:44] So the fix we've got to stop people coming in. [22:45] Yeah. [22:46] So we need to vote. [22:47] No, no. [22:48] The issue is we need to stop the asylum process or we need to figure out a way to make that better. [22:51] Right. [22:52] But there's multiple things that need to be fixed. [22:54] It's a multifarious issue. [22:56] And Kamala Harris originally says that ICE is the KKK. [22:58] Okay, pause. [22:59] You've been voted out by the majority. [23:01] Please return to your seats. [23:02] I'm Luke, by the way. [23:10] Hi. [23:11] What's up, Luke? [23:12] Nice to meet you. [23:13] So I just wanted to briefly talk about, you're talking about this Senate bill that filled the House. [23:17] What is your argument with that? [23:18] Because as far as my knowledge with this bill, it was $118 billion. [23:22] That was the financial standing within this bill. [23:25] Within that, $60 billion of that $118 billion was going to go towards Ukraine. [23:30] I have the chart with me. [23:32] Only $20 billion was going to go towards the border. [23:35] $10 billion was going to go towards Gaza. [23:38] $14 billion was going to go towards Israel. [23:40] This Senate bill was a bad bill, first off. [23:43] And second off, it was just a disguising bill to give more money towards Ukraine. [23:49] So you talk about the bill. [23:50] That's the only thing Democrats really have. [23:51] So just a real quick thing. [23:52] So this is the argument that was floated initially. [23:54] But the problem is they tried to reintroduce this bill on its own and it still failed. [23:58] But the bill itself was written poorly. [24:00] Within the bill, they're going to cap, what is the average weekly immigration at $5,000. [24:05] That's still way too many people. [24:07] Do you know what it's capped at right now? [24:08] What is it capped at? [24:09] Nothing. [24:10] That's why it was a good idea. [24:11] But that $5,000 is still way too much. [24:13] Why don't they cap it at less? [24:15] What they allowed it to do is it allowed it to say if there were too many people coming in, [24:21] they could put a two-week moratorium and completely shut down people that were coming to the country to seek asylum. [24:26] That was one thing that the bill would have allowed it to do. [24:28] But right now they don't have the ability to do that. [24:30] They are doing their job. [24:31] These are the individuals that are seeking asylum. [24:35] Do you know how many individuals that seek asylum actually file their paperwork for asylum? [24:41] If you're coming here to get a- [24:42] It's less than half. [24:43] No, it's less than half. [24:44] If you're coming here to get a slip to go to court then they have to- [24:45] They're using asylum as an excuse. [24:47] The process which comes with people that come for asylum, the easiest and most, I guess, used process, [24:54] they come typically through San Diego or Arizona. [24:57] They put these individuals on a freight train, send that train to New York. [25:01] They house them typically at the Roosevelt Hotel. [25:03] Other hotels in New York are also being used. [25:07] Then they give them an identification bracelet that has a number, basically like Nazi Germany. [25:11] All of this is fine. [25:12] But the reality is- [25:13] Please let me finish talking. [25:14] I'm respecting- [25:15] It doesn't matter. [25:16] I'm respecting you. [25:17] Have some respect. [25:18] Okay, let's talk about the asylum process. [25:19] Okay. [25:20] Right? [25:21] If Democrats wanted to allocate more money to the judges to process the claims faster, [25:25] to allocate more money to border security, to make sure people were coming in illegally, [25:28] and then to be able to put a moratorium if too many people were coming in, wouldn't all of these things help? [25:33] If only less than 50% of people that are actually coming for asylum are filing their paperwork, [25:38] none of that matters. [25:40] We should be starting off- [25:42] How are you getting a slip to go to court for an asylum judge if you're not filing your paperwork? [25:46] What I'm saying is these people are using asylum as an excuse to get to America to use our resources. [25:51] Do you know how much money that we've spent? [25:53] So there's two different types of immigrants. [25:56] Well, two different types of illegal immigrants. [25:58] There's gotaways and there's give ups. [25:59] Do you know what each one is? [26:01] Catch and release versus- [26:03] So give ups are individuals that typically their families are typically asylum seekers [26:08] that they intentionally want to get processed through border control. [26:13] Gotaways are typically criminals, which there's 14,000 murderers right now [26:19] that are within our country coming through the border. [26:22] Gotaways alone, which are typically criminals, we are spending $450 billion a year [26:28] just to support these criminals that are coming through through the gotaway process. [26:33] Okay. So all of this is great, but it returns me back to my other question. [26:37] If people are doing this by abusing the asylum process, it feels like a bill would have helped and Donald Trump has done nothing. [26:44] No, because before we can have any type of bill that basically funnels down asylum versus gotaways versus give up versus criminals versus all that, you need to have a secure border. [26:53] Yeah, but let's say- [26:54] That was not going to help in the securing of the border. [26:58] Sure. Let's say they secure the border one trillion feet tall on the wall and everything. [27:02] Okay. [27:03] Everybody else comes up and they still do the exact same asylum claiming process. [27:05] What do you mean everybody comes up? [27:06] As in you go to a port of entry and you say, hey, I'm here to claim asylum. [27:09] If you have a closed border that has a stricter process for whoever's coming through, which one of those processes, which was extremely effective, was our Remain in Mexico Act. [27:17] So it wasn't that effective. [27:18] Yes, it was. [27:19] The Biden administration revoked that act as well as 94 executive orders that Trump installed during its administration. [27:25] There was a reason that our border had a 50 year all time low. [27:28] And I want to ask you a question. [27:29] Well, let me ask you a question, please. [27:31] This is coming off of Obama's border security number one. [27:33] And number two. [27:34] Do you condemn 15 year olds? [27:35] Number two. [27:36] Yes or no? [27:37] Number two. [27:38] He doesn't. [27:39] Do you condemn 15 year olds? [27:40] Yes or no? [27:42] Obviously I would condemn 15 year olds. [27:43] I'm not going to play this game. [27:44] Do you condemn Lincoln Riley's murderer who came in and murdered? [27:47] Number two. [27:48] Number two. [27:49] Who was coming through an illegal got away process. [27:51] Do you condemn that? [27:52] I don't care how they got here. [27:53] I would always condemn a murderer. [27:54] Do you condemn the 321,000 missing children right now that we cannot find at the border? [27:58] I don't even think that number is real. [28:00] Yes, it is. [28:01] It's 321,000 missing illegal children. [28:05] Do you understand? [28:06] Okay, wait, wait. [28:07] How is it that you have a secure border? [28:08] How do you have a secure border? [28:09] How do you have a secure border? [28:10] How do you have no comprehension of the issue? [28:13] It's just numbers. [28:14] You're just regurgitating at me. [28:16] I'm asking you a very simple question. [28:17] Let's say that you secure the border. [28:18] How does it help the asylum process? [28:19] All you do is you do this to get people amped up. [28:21] People are dying. [28:22] Kids are being trafficked. [28:23] I'm asking you a simple question. [28:24] Drugs are coming through. [28:25] Fentanyl is at an all-time high. [28:26] 90% of the fentanyl in this country comes in through legal people. [28:29] It's not always traffic and illegals. [28:30] No, it does not. [28:31] Yes, it is. [28:32] During the Biden administration, fentanyl, an average yearly pound of fentanyl is 15,000. [28:35] It's exceeding 15,000. [28:37] During the Trump administration, it was less than 2,500 pounds. [28:39] That's more numbers that have nothing to do with what we're talking about right now. [28:41] Exactly. [28:42] Because all you do is distract from that. [28:43] These are facts. [28:44] No, you don't understand the issue. [28:45] Yes, I know they're facts. [28:46] You can't hold up to the facts. [28:47] People are dying here. [28:48] It's not about a fact. [28:49] That's great. [28:50] All you're concerned about is trying to be right. [28:51] People are dying. [28:52] Do you care about people dying? [28:53] Yes or no? [28:54] You don't. [28:55] Really, I don't? [28:56] You don't care. [28:57] Really, how would I not care? [28:58] Because you're supporting the president that blocked the bill that would affect the problems. [29:00] You don't give a fuck about it. [29:01] I'm supporting the president that kept our borders secure. [29:03] You don't care. [29:04] When you see the Rileys or the Lincoln Rileys and all these people getting killed, you're [29:06] thinking, yes, it's an election issue, which is what Donald Trump thought when he blocked [29:09] the bill. [29:10] So you're saying that I was excited like how you were excited that Corey was shot? [29:14] You're excited. [29:15] You're excited. [29:16] You are excited when a person dies to an illegal immigrant, but when something goes to get [29:19] done about it, you champion Trump when he blocks the bill. [29:21] See, the bill was a bad bill. [29:22] Period. [29:23] That's it. [29:24] Really, what legislation did Donald Trump pass in his four years as president? [29:26] He had closed borders. [29:27] He had the Remain in Mexico Act. [29:29] That doesn't sound like a bill. [29:30] Remain in Mexico, by the way, was responsible for keeping like 10,000 immigrants away a [29:34] year. [29:35] Which is basically nothing. [29:36] Title 42 is COVID. [29:37] He gets no credit for that. [29:38] Next. [29:39] Title 42 allowed law enforcement. [29:41] Title 42 is gone. [29:42] There's no COVID. [29:43] It wasn't COVID specific. [29:44] What do you think Title 42 was? [29:46] Title 42 allowed law enforcement to process the legals that were coming through. [29:50] Now they've revoked that. [29:51] If a sheriff or police officer, say there's a murderer that comes through illegally. [29:55] If a police officer tries to process that guy and get him, the police officer is going [29:59] to be charged with kidnapping, not the murderer. [30:01] The murderer is just going to get away with this stuff. [30:04] You can't own up to the facts that are actually happening of the criminals that are coming [30:08] through. [30:09] If someone is truly coming into this country fleeing, say it's Venezuela, fleeing a South [30:13] American country or any country that their life is truly at stake, everybody here has [30:18] a heart for them. [30:19] No, you don't. [30:20] Yes, we do. [30:21] And how dare you say that? [30:22] My family were immigrants. [30:23] Hold on. [30:24] Hold on. [30:25] So how can you say that? [30:26] In your world, in your ideal world, if somebody was escaping one of those countries and coming [30:29] to the border, you're saying keep them in Mexico until we process them. [30:32] Where's the compassion there? [30:33] Because Mexico is 10 times safer than the country that they're coming to. [30:36] You think that the border towns that are being overwhelmed by people coming to seek asylum? [30:39] You think that that's our own country? [30:40] Oh, there it is. [30:41] Okay, pause. [30:42] Pause. [30:43] So there's no heart for the people coming in. [30:44] Pause. [30:45] You've been voted out by the majority. [30:46] Please return to your seat. [30:47] I'm glad we agree that there's a problem with the asylum system. [30:58] And I actually- [31:00] Well, we don't agree. [31:01] I think that, but- [31:02] Well, I'm agreeing with you that there's a problem with the asylum system. [31:04] Okay. [31:05] I actually think you care. [31:06] I've been following you for a while. [31:07] I actually think you deeply care about this issue and how it's affecting the American people. [31:10] I do believe that, sincerely. [31:12] What is the, for the tens of millions of folks who are going to watch this video, just what is [31:17] asylum as a process represent to you? [31:19] What does it mean to qualify legitimately for asylum? [31:21] To legitimately qualify for asylum? [31:23] Yeah. [31:24] There's like official characteristics for it, but basically the place that you're fleeing, [31:29] you're being persecuted for some characteristic or trait that we think that you obviously [31:33] shouldn't be persecuted for and you're facing like severe threats to your existence. [31:37] And so you have to flee the country and then you're basically coming to the United States [31:41] saying like, I'm basically stateless. [31:42] I can't go back to my home. [31:43] Like me or my family's at risk. [31:44] And can you, you know, basically take me in and me become a citizen that way? [31:47] Basically. [31:48] That's exactly right. [31:49] You're fleeing racial, religious, ethnic persecution. [31:51] Absolutely. [31:52] Poverty wouldn't count as asylum. [31:53] Um, I'm just, it's a fact poverty doesn't count. [31:56] You have to be fleeing a particular type of persecution. [31:59] If poverty is a coincidence factor there, then, but the persecution is key. [32:02] Sure. [32:03] I'm going to, I'm going to hesitantly agree with you, but I like, like, let's say you're [32:06] facing, facing poverty in like Syria, where it's like a collapsed state. [32:09] And it's like, I can say that being different, but in general. [32:10] Yeah. [32:11] But if you're just poor, you probably shouldn't be able to come here and seek asylum for that. [32:13] Absolutely. [32:14] And so that's why 90% of asylum claims are rejected. [32:17] Let's talk about remain in Mexico. [32:18] You brought up that you think it was a failure. [32:20] It seems. [32:21] Yes. [32:22] Why is that? [32:23] Um, one, I think there were a lot of lawsuits in the United States that were starting to [32:25] look promising. [32:26] I think in terms of overturning it, I think the ACLU had gotten a victory in the 11th circuit or [32:30] the ninth circuit. [32:31] Um, and then also because just the number of people that were being kept out from remain [32:34] in Mexico, I want to say the total number over, I think it was like three years was like 30 [32:38] or 40,000. [32:39] It wasn't that many like altogether. [32:40] But isn't that actually a sign of its success? [32:42] Cause it was a successful deterrent. [32:44] Think about it this way, Steven, if you've got people who are fleeing religious persecution [32:48] and you've got folks who are fleeing poverty, the people who are actually fleeing persecution, [32:53] they will happily go to Mexico and wait for six months for their case to be heard. [32:56] I don't know if that's always the case. [32:58] Well, but if you're, if you're fleeing and you literally have nothing, you're like a destitute [33:02] family. [33:03] Now you're sitting on like a border town, like waiting months and months, maybe if you're [33:05] But that's better than religious persecution in Syria, right? [33:08] It might be, but ideally in the United States, we could process you almost immediately. [33:11] And if you have a legitimate claim, we can house you here. [33:13] Absolutely. [33:14] But how do we keep the fraud out of the system? [33:16] I thought remain in Mexico, wherever you are politically was a good way to do that. [33:19] The idea was that if you're actually fleeing persecution in Syria or in East Asia or in Africa, [33:24] you would be 99% better off in that camp in Mexico, where it is protected, where you have [33:30] food, where you have humanitarian resources that keeps the fraud claims out. [33:34] And sort of this bipartisan border bill. [33:36] Well, first and foremost, nine Democrats, including Elizabeth Warren, actually voted against it. [33:40] So Donald Trump didn't kill it. [33:42] Donald Trump was opposed to it for the same reasons that many Republicans and some Democrats were opposed to. [33:46] Would that bill have passed without Donald Trump telling Republicans not to vote for it? [33:50] No, it would not have. [33:51] Okay. That's completely and totally incorrect. [33:52] What's your proof of that? [33:54] Listen, let's just talk about the substance of it. [33:55] Well, the proof is that like, it would have passed people like McConnell, people like Cruz [33:58] are literally saying like, we're not voting on this bill because Donald Trump has told us to pull a plug on it. [34:01] But the idea was that it was going to pass. [34:03] So what would that bill have done to deter the fraudulent asylum claims that are keeping out legitimate folks who are fleeing persecution? [34:09] Well, I think that right now the biggest, there's an amalgamation of laws that make it so that because the asylum system is so backed up, [34:15] I know that if I go to the United States, even my claim is total bullshit, I can run in, run to a port, claim that I'm an asylum seeker, [34:20] and I know that they can't process me right now, so I get a slip saying, okay, we'll come back to court in a year or two. [34:24] And it's like, I'm in and you're done. [34:25] At that point, you just disappear. [34:26] Right? [34:27] But if they could process you almost immediately, you show up and you're like, hey, I'm a asylum seeker. [34:30] It's like, oh, cool. [34:31] We'll come talk to the judge. [34:32] Like, okay, well, me, then the motivation to come in and try to get in fraudulently that way, I think dramatically decreases. [34:36] And one of the big things that the bill helped with was providing a lot more judges that would be allocated for these things and a lot more funding for it, et cetera. [34:41] Just to correct that point, there weren't actually judges. [34:43] They were filing, they were funding custom officers who don't have law degrees, who are biased one way, [34:48] who are more likely to approve asylum claims that might end up proving fraudulent. [34:51] I think the- [34:52] Wait, hold on. [34:53] Who processes the asylum claims? [34:54] Eventually you have to sit in front of a judge. [34:56] No, no, no, no, no. [34:57] And just, just clearly here, customs officers under the bipartisan border bill would be then given authority to process these claims. [35:03] They don't have law degrees. [35:04] They aren't judges. [35:05] Judges typically kick these cases, but in this particular bill by Lankford, it would actually be customs officers taking over this. [35:11] Customs officers would make the final decision on whether or not a person gets into the country? [35:15] Yes, and that's how you build up capacity, because you couldn't hire more immigration judges. [35:18] There aren't enough people in the country to take those judges. [35:19] I think you can. [35:20] I think the issue is that the judge number has been capped since, I think, the 80s or the 60s in terms of how many judges are allowed to hear these claims. [35:25] So we haven't had more funding that was allocated to us, actually. [35:27] Why not bring back Roman in Mexico? [35:29] It absolutely works, Stephen. [35:31] Because I don't think it necessarily works, number one, because not that many people were capped out. [35:34] And number two, even as a matter of policy, I don't know if the idea to the country to the south of you is like, hey, listen, there's not many people coming to asylum. [35:39] We're going to go ahead and store them in your country while we wait and process it. [35:42] I don't know how even Mexico would feel about that. [35:43] I don't know if the conditions would necessarily be safer for those people either. [35:46] Because I thought that one of the claims that I heard so much from the Trumpels was how unsafe all of these like border towns had become because of so many people building up there. [35:52] So why would you want to stick a legitimate asylum seeker there and keep them there? [35:55] Would you agree that if somebody was coming here to legitimately seek asylum and it was a legitimate case, they would probably be good to take them in and house them immediately? [36:02] In an ideal world, absolutely. [36:04] But we need to also separate those who are abusing the system again. [36:07] Ninety percent of those claims are fraudulent. [36:09] So then should we increase the funding to process those claims as quickly as possible? [36:12] I think the deterrent is better in Mexico. [36:14] But Stephen, let's agree to disagree. [36:15] OK? [36:16] OK. [36:19] Great. [36:26] Jeez. [36:27] OK, actually, he's been snubbed now twice. [36:30] So I'm sorry. [36:31] I'm going to let him have it. [36:33] What's up? [36:34] What's up? [36:35] I'll get you next time. [36:36] So my issue with the bipartisan border bill is that it only gets activated on a mandatory basis if there are 5,000 people per day crossing the border. [36:43] I agree with you that the asylum process is the problem. [36:46] But that bill also expands protections for asylees or people seeking asylum. [36:50] The bipartisan border bill, which is a problem. [36:52] I think that H.R.2 was much more effective at preventing like people abusing the leaders. [36:58] H.R.2 might have been more effective from a conservative standpoint, but that bill was DOA and everybody knew it. [37:02] Because Democrats didn't want to vote for it. [37:04] I don't even know if they would have had Republicans. [37:06] Do you think that it would be a win for Democrats if they passed H.R.2? Like politically speaking? [37:10] Probably not. [37:11] That bill went much further. [37:12] You don't think that it would be good for Joe Biden's image? [37:15] No. [37:16] I think that I would have to go back and read it because I think that bill was way more extreme in terms of like processing people. [37:20] I don't think it was a very popular bill at all. [37:22] Yeah, it eliminated parole, which I think is a good thing. [37:23] There are a couple other things like I haven't read it. [37:25] But the bill was DOA. [37:26] There was no chance in hell that it was passing anything. [37:28] The bipartisan border bill was terrible too. [37:29] No, the bipartisan border bill was- [37:30] It was terrible. [37:31] That would have passed less Donald Trump. [37:33] Right, but it didn't address the current issue. [37:34] There's about 1,000- [37:35] It did address it. [37:36] You could say it might not have addressed it adequately, but it would have been a big step in that direction. [37:38] Stephen, there are about- [37:39] Okay, yeah, right. [37:40] But the issue would have to get about twice as bad as it currently is. [37:42] There's about 1,900 people who cross per day currently. [37:44] Under the bipartisan border bill, on a mandatory basis, the emergency powers could only be activated if 5,000 people crossed over the border daily over a seven-day period, right? [37:52] Yeah, but then after that happens, you can shut the border down for two weeks and process zero plans. [37:57] Right, right. [37:58] But you can only- [37:59] The bill- [38:00] The emergency powers given in the bill can only be used for 270 days of the first calendar year, 225 of the second, and 180 of the third. [38:05] And in addition to that, if it drops below 70% of that mandatory number, 5,000, which is about 3,750, which is almost exactly double what it currently is. [38:13] It gets automatically rescinded. [38:14] The powers go away. [38:15] I don't believe the powers- [38:16] Yes, they do. [38:17] Stephen, read the bill. [38:18] How can anybody come in if they're processing zero claims? [38:20] Wait, what do you mean? [38:21] If they're processing zero claims, once they hit that threshold- [38:24] No, it's not on the basis of claims. [38:25] It's on the basis of crossers. [38:26] So 5,000- [38:27] No, no, but it shuts down asylum claims as well. [38:29] That was the nice thing about it. [38:30] We don't have an issue right now with illegal immigrants coming into this country. [38:33] We have a problem right now- [38:34] Absolutely. [38:35] I know, yeah. [38:36] Stay f***ing mad because you guys can't f***ing read. [38:37] That's fine. [38:38] The problem that we have right now is with asylum seekers. [38:39] I agree with you. [38:40] Not illegal immigrants. [38:41] I agree with you. [38:42] And this bill expanded protections for asylum seekers. [38:44] Yeah, but it also gave the ability for the border to shut down asylum. [38:47] Your argument is dead on arrival. [38:48] No. [38:49] Two weeks shutdown. [38:50] What is our moratorium right now on people claiming asylum? [38:52] I don't know. [38:53] Zero. [38:54] It's nothing. [38:55] Right. [38:56] So this would be better, definitionally. [38:57] You said earlier that you were talking about, I forget who it was, with the 5,000 cap on a mandatory [39:01] basis or whatever. [39:02] It's not a cap. [39:03] No, it's like a seven-day rolling average. [39:05] Yeah, yeah. [39:06] Let me finish. [39:07] It's not a cap on how many people can come into the border. [39:08] Obviously, zero people are allowed to illegally cross the border, right? [39:11] Wait, wait, wait. [39:12] People coming in for asylum are not illegal, right? [39:13] Do you acknowledge that? [39:14] People coming in for asylum are not illegal. [39:15] Yes, yes, yes. [39:16] I agree with you. [39:17] Let me land my plane. [39:18] It's not a cap on how many people can cross the border. [39:19] Obviously, it's illegal for anybody to cross the border. [39:21] It's a cap on power. [39:22] Okay, pause. [39:23] Sorry. [39:24] Time's up. [39:25] Okay. [39:26] Please return to your seat. [39:27] It's good talking to you, man. [39:28] Hey, before we go any further, we want to take a moment to say thanks so much to Straight [39:33] Arrow News for powering the fact checks in this video. 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[40:19] You're also supporting a group of journalists that are raising the bar on news and focusing [40:24] on serving you unbiased straight facts. [40:27] Thanks again to Straight Arrow News for partnering with us on this episode. [40:31] Now, let's get into it. [40:32] My next claim is that Donald Trump's economic plans would increase inflation and devastate [40:38] the economy. [40:48] So under the Trump administration, inflation was consistently at 2%. [40:52] Under Biden-Harris, it's 5.5. [40:54] What do you think the biggest contributor to the Biden-Harris inflation has been? [40:58] Well, you could say the supply chain, but I would say the bills that they passed, the [41:03] Inflation Reduction Act had nothing to do with inflation. [41:06] The only reason inflation is kind of at 2.5 now is because they raise interest rates. [41:11] It has nothing to do with what they've done. [41:13] Okay. [41:14] So what was the huge event that probably triggered a ton of inflation because of all the knock-on [41:17] effects from it? [41:18] There was a really big event that happened in the past five years. [41:20] You were referring to COVID? [41:21] Yeah. [41:22] Okay. [41:23] So COVID happened. [41:24] So if we look at Donald Trump's administration, if we look at what he did, he ran massive budget [41:28] deficits. [41:29] He did nothing to cut spending. [41:30] He did giant tax cuts, right? [41:31] And he pressured the Fed to keep interest rates. [41:33] Well, Harris has like a trillion per year too. [41:35] Yeah. [41:36] But at least they can argue for why they would have deficits, right? [41:38] Because they're trying to save us from a massive recession, which more or less they [41:40] did. [41:41] We already hit recession a couple of times. [41:42] No, not really, no. [41:43] Yeah. [41:44] By the letter of the law we have. [41:45] Okay. [41:46] If you want to say that we have, then it was a soft landing at worst. [41:47] Okay. [41:48] But it's nowhere near as bad as it could have been. [41:49] But at least we were coming into an economic crisis they probably had to spend for. [41:52] Why did Donald Trump run massive budget deficits when he was sitting on a great economy that [41:56] he inherited from Obama? [41:57] It wasn't a great economy. [41:58] It was an amazing economy. [41:59] The stock markets were posting all time highs for like three or four years before he even [42:02] came into office. [42:03] And they got even higher under him. [42:04] They did. [42:05] They continued to grow. [42:06] Yes. [42:07] But why did he have to run budget deficits to do that? [42:08] I mean, his tax cuts actually helped everyone. [42:10] It helped me as a middle class person. [42:11] Of course, because he did deficit spending. [42:13] Deficit spending always helps. [42:14] It gives you more money. [42:16] Yeah. [42:17] But how would this ever help inflation? [42:18] Well, there was no inflation under Trump. [42:19] Yeah. [42:20] Because the economy and everything in the world was growing too, right? [42:22] COVID hadn't shut everything down yet. [42:23] Right. [42:24] But I'm saying that Donald Trump's administration- [42:25] Even his last month in office, that was 1.4%. [42:27] Biden can't even get that in his best- [42:29] Yeah. [42:30] But are we going to cite like the year of COVID as like these are the- [42:33] Well, yeah. [42:34] I mean, if you want to be fair to under COVID, the last few months on a plane was terrible. [42:38] Mm-hm. [42:39] So if you want to go off that too. [42:40] But as soon as the country opened back up, they tried to take all this credit of all these jobs that were just bounced back. [42:45] Sure. [42:46] And I wouldn't say- [42:47] I think that's pretty stupid to say that we've created this many jobs or whatever. [42:48] Right. [42:49] So I'm not giving them credit for that necessarily. [42:50] Of course they would. [42:51] Right. [42:52] So if you want to go back to inflation, everything that Donald Trump talks about when he wants to come back on his next term seems like things that would just be inflation or he wants to tariff everything. [42:58] Well, he wants to drill more, which will lower the price of everything. [43:00] We already are a world producer in energy. [43:02] I don't know how much drilling more is going to help. [43:04] And, but I mean, he also want, I don't even know how we'll have the people to drill because he wants to increase tariffs on every single product in the world. [43:09] Which is stuff made out of America. [43:11] What? [43:12] Which will benefit the American people. [43:13] Yeah, but if it's made out of America, then what? [43:14] Then who's going to be drilling when we're all busy like making clothes and making shoes and making the most basic fundamental products? [43:19] Well, not all of us, obviously. [43:20] Stuff still come from overseas. [43:22] Why? [43:23] He wants to tariff all of it at 50 to a thousand percent. [43:24] Nah, he didn't say a thousand. [43:25] He said a hundred. [43:26] He said, he said a lot of numbers in that Bloomberg interview that he did yesterday. [43:30] I think he said a thousand for some of them. [43:32] But yeah, he says he wants to pair it. [43:33] He said he wants to tariff everything. [43:34] He said 10 or 20% was too low. [43:35] He wants to manufacture everything at home. [43:37] And then when you, when Harris went on the view and said, would you do anything different than Biden? [43:41] She said, no, can't think of anything. [43:43] No matter how people are struggling, struggling and how the world is, she can't think of one thing she would do. [43:47] Well, I mean, the United States is ahead of the rest. [43:49] You've been voted out by the majority. [43:51] Please return to your seat. [43:53] Now, Steven, that was very inflationary. [44:13] Okay. [44:14] That was very high. [44:15] Well, hold on. [44:16] To be clear, I'm not a huge fan of just like stimulus stuff because I think it has a lot of inflationary pressures. [44:20] I think for giving student loan debt, I think would also be massively inflationary in a lot of bad ways. [44:23] But none of those even come close to the total economic destruction that would be wrought on this country with across the board universal tariffs to every country in the world. [44:31] Were you concerned by the tariffs in the first term? [44:33] Yes. [44:34] Okay. [44:35] Why didn't we see the inflation in the first term under Trump under these tariffs that you're so concerned about? [44:39] Because I think that raising prices and everything can kind of be masked through the allocation of money to other assets, especially when the economy is growing. [44:45] So the world economy is growing, right? [44:47] Because a lot of people can buy things. [44:48] A lot of money can transfer to a lot of different places. [44:50] Inflation has to do with dollars chasing supplies of goods, basically. [44:54] And if the supplies continue to grow at a really high rate, you can probably afford more deficit spending. [44:58] But the issue is that I don't think that Donald Trump was intelligently saying like, well, I can probably afford a deficit spend here because of the economy. [45:03] I think he just likes to spend, spend, spend, because everybody does. [45:05] And I don't think that Trump would have the ability to rein it in, as he said multiple times in his Bloomberg interview yesterday. [45:11] But also like the big event that was contributing to inflation over the Biden administration was probably COVID and a lot of the knock on stuff from COVID. [45:17] American Rescue Plan, for example, the unemployment rate had already been cut in half. [45:20] A hundred million people had immunity to the vaccine, to the virus. [45:22] And yet we put $2 trillion of heroin into the economy. [45:26] The United States is also outperforming every single other G7 OECD country when it comes to metrics like inflation and how our economy is doing as well. [45:32] I think we probably made the right choice there, right? [45:34] Well, Steven, I'll say. [45:35] Wait, wait, would you say that we made the right choice for like the American? [45:38] I disagree. [45:39] I disagree. [45:40] But which country should we have acted like? [45:41] Well, I'm going to hold ourselves to the American standard, which is to always do the best thing and not to compare ourselves to others. [45:46] Okay. [45:47] So we are outperforming everybody else, but you think we should be doing even better. [45:49] Okay. [45:50] Steven, if I'm the best alcoholic in the room, I'm in the wrong room. [45:53] I don't want to be the best of the worst. [45:55] I want to be the best compared to my own standard. [45:57] Okay. [45:58] But to be clear, you're talking about a world where every single person is apparently an alcoholic. [46:01] Steven. [46:02] Steven. [46:03] Steven. [46:04] Steven. [46:05] Steven. [46:06] Steven. [46:07] I haven't interrupted you. [46:08] I haven't interrupted you. [46:09] I haven't interrupted you with all respect. [46:10] I haven't interrupted you. [46:11] Okay. [46:12] Eight and a half million people are working multiple jobs to keep up with inflation. [46:17] You've got seven million prime working age men who are not in the labor force. [46:22] 37% of Americans say that their children's life will not be better than theirs. [46:27] This economy is hurting a lot of people right now. [46:30] Do you accept that? [46:31] No. [46:32] What's Donald Trump going to do to improve that economy? [46:33] Well, let's talk about that for a moment. [46:35] Yeah. [46:36] Let's just talk about that for a moment with all sincerity. [46:37] Sure. [46:38] What problem does tariffs try to address, Steven? [46:41] In Donald Trump's world? [46:44] That's a very general question. [46:45] Objective speaking, when you look at tariffs, what does it try to solve for? [46:49] Tariffs can be levied for a variety of different reasons. [46:52] The two most common reasons that are given is that, one, it can be foolishly employed to [46:55] try to protect an industry. [46:57] So you would tariff other people to make your own industries more competitive. [47:00] These require across-the-board tariffs, so not specific ones. [47:02] And then a second reason could be for issues relating to, say, like national security. [47:05] So, for instance, I want to tariff these people's ability to manufacture microchips or [47:08] steel, not because I think we'd be economically better off, but because if we get into war with them, [47:11] I don't want to be relying on them for a process. [47:13] I think the latter case makes a lot of sense, by the way. [47:14] I agree. [47:15] If you get to war with China, now listen. [47:16] Although I would be honest about the latter one to say we don't do it for economic reasons, [47:18] we do it for security reasons. [47:19] That's fine. [47:20] That's absolutely fine. [47:21] And I agree with you on that. [47:22] Does China have tariffs on us? [47:23] Yes. [47:24] Does Europe have tariffs on us? [47:25] Yes. [47:26] It's not free trade when they're rigging it against us and charging us to send our products [47:29] over there. [47:30] So the question is, Stephen, if they're putting tariffs on us, hurting our workers, hollowing [47:34] out places from Middletown, Ohio to parts of Appalachia, why can't we put in place a deterrent [47:40] that says, look, if you're going to rig the system against American workers, we are going to level [47:45] the playing field. [47:46] That's a real problem in this country, by the way. [47:47] If this was- [47:48] Hold on, real quick. [47:49] Stephen, hold on. [47:50] Just Stephen. [47:51] Stephen. [47:52] You asked me a question. [47:53] Whatever economic plan or whatever you're talking about using tariffs, sure, I'm fine [47:54] with that. [47:55] Yeah. [47:56] Whatever you're saying, that has nothing to do with the Trump administration. [47:57] What you're saying is you're talking about getting into a tariff war to try to bring [48:00] tariffs down or to force somebody to engage in negotiations to bring tariffs down in order [48:03] to re-enter trade agreements. [48:04] Kind of like when Donald Trump renegotiated NAFTA into the US, Mexico, Canada. [48:07] Absolutely. [48:08] You know what he used? [48:09] Hold on, Stephen. [48:10] But you can't just say- [48:11] Stephen, he used the threat of tariffs to bring them to the negotiating table. [48:14] But Donald Trump is not talking about using tariffs to get more people to negotiate. [48:17] He wants to create an autarky. [48:18] That's his goal. [48:19] Do you acknowledge that Donald Trump wants us to manufacture everything at home? [48:21] That's all of his rhetoric. [48:22] Do you acknowledge? [48:23] He doesn't say that. [48:24] No. [48:25] Stephen, just one second. [48:26] He wants us to employ the working men and women of this country to give them a fair shot. [48:30] Our unemployment is already less than 5%. [48:31] We're losing 100,000 people to opioids every year. [48:33] We're already below- [48:34] We're losing 900 people. [48:35] It's not to do with employment. [48:36] What do you mean? [48:37] Hold on, hold on. [48:38] Stephen. [48:39] We're already below what the employment should be. [48:40] We're already below 5%. [48:41] Stephen. [48:42] Stephen. [48:43] Stephen. [48:44] Stephen. [48:45] Stephen. [48:46] Stephen. [48:47] Stephen. [48:48] Just one sec. [48:49] Half of working-age men who are not in the labor force are taking opioid painkillers every day. [48:53] The broken industrial policies of this country. [48:55] And you think having the manufactured shoes that aren't being made in China is going to magically get rid of that problem? [48:58] No. [48:59] No. [49:00] No, Stephen. [49:01] No. [49:02] Does New Balance make an America? [49:03] Yes or no. [49:04] Does New Balance make an America? [49:05] I don't know. [49:06] For the final assembly, maybe? [49:07] Okay. [49:08] Yes, they do. [49:09] But here's the thing, Stephen. [49:10] What's the point of that? [49:11] Stephen. [49:12] Stephen. [49:13] Stephen. [49:14] Do you think that we can manufacture every single good we consume at home? [49:15] No. [49:16] I don't think so. [49:17] Okay. [49:18] What is the goal of 1,000 or 500 or whatever? [49:19] Where are Tesla's made? [49:20] Where are Tesla's made? [49:21] Where's the best-selling car in America made? [49:22] Right here in America. [49:23] Hold on. [49:24] What do you mean by that? [49:25] Every single part? [49:26] No. [49:27] The final assembly, a large portion- [49:28] Do you understand that yesterday, when Donald Trump was doing his interview with Bloomberg, [49:30] he made fun of that. [49:31] Donald Trump shit on companies like Tesla when he said, [49:33] we do the final assembly here, we could have children do that. [49:36] It's just throwing together Legos. [49:37] Donald Trump doesn't like final assembly. [49:38] Donald Trump wants not just the Tesla final assembly here, but all the batteries, [49:41] all of the steel, every single component of that made in America. [49:44] Again, your plan sounds great. [49:45] That sounds like an ordinary, like, decent economic plan. [49:48] Donald Trump's plan is autarky. [49:49] It's ridiculous. [49:50] I'm glad you like my plan. [49:51] Thanks. [49:52] Okay. [49:53] If you run for president, I'll support it. [49:54] I appreciate it. [50:01] Steven. [50:02] Hi, hey. [50:04] Yeah. [50:05] All right. [50:06] So, if Trump is going to be bad for inflation, why is it that when he left office in 2021, [50:11] inflation was at, like, almost an all-time low, practically nonexistent at 1.4%. [50:15] As soon as he left, that's when inflation started rising with the Biden-Harris administration. [50:19] If he's going to be bad at inflation, why was the economy so good his whole four years? [50:24] If you look at all the polls from any news site, even CNN, which is more left-leaning, [50:28] you'll see that people, all people in general say that they trust Trump more with the economy. [50:34] What did Donald Trump do that made the economy so good in those four years? [50:37] The question should be, what did he not do? [50:39] He didn't do anything. [50:40] Exactly. [50:41] I agree. [50:42] He didn't do anything. [50:43] He didn't do anything bad. [50:44] He stayed good the entire four times. [50:45] The economy had been growing ever since Obama brought us out of the end of the 2007 collapse. [50:49] Again, another Democrat president comes in, whether it's 2008 with Obama inheriting the [50:53] housing crisis or whether it's 2020 with Biden coming in and having to deal with COVID. [50:57] Yeah, he had to come in and spend like crazy. [50:58] You can't blame everything on COVID, okay? [51:00] You can blame a lot on COVID. [51:01] It was a really big deal. [51:02] And we are doing better than all the other countries right now. [51:04] I agree. [51:05] Under Biden, that's true. [51:06] Yes. [51:07] Yeah. [51:08] He was also in the middle of COVID-2 and inflation was still at 1.4%. [51:11] Why is it tripled? [51:12] Why is it tripled under Biden? [51:13] Donald Trump spent the first month of COVID pretending it didn't exist. [51:16] I don't know if he was the leader to point to about that. [51:19] I just don't know. [51:20] What's one policy that Donald Trump has given if he comes back into office that's going [51:23] to help inflation? [51:24] Just one. [51:25] He's going to be doing tariffs. [51:26] That makes things more expensive. [51:28] Pause. [51:29] You've been voted out by the majority. [51:30] Please return to your seats. [51:32] Yep. [51:33] Hi. [51:41] Nice to meet you. [51:43] Nice to meet you. [51:44] So the Congressional Budget Office in the 1980s reported that one to three billion dollars [51:51] was spent on illegal immigrants who were coming in and basically feeding off of public services. [51:57] So what I don't really find appealing is that you get a lot of conversation from the [52:03] right and the left asking basically everyone except Latinos what they think about this issue. [52:09] Because it affects us. [52:10] It affects the fact that we're here. [52:12] We've crossed legally. [52:14] And then we're getting our image basically affected by the fact that we have criminals killing Americans by the way. [52:22] Let me just give you a few names who have died basically at hands of illegal criminals. [52:28] Lincoln Riley which people know. [52:30] Christopher Gad. [52:31] Travis Wolfe. [52:32] Alex Wise. [52:33] What is his name? [52:34] Do you not care about these names? [52:35] No I don't care about these names. [52:36] Oh you don't? [52:37] No. [52:38] Oh. [52:39] I'm good. [52:40] We're having a policy discussion? [52:41] No. [52:42] Do you want me to start naming off like every black person that gets killed by a police [52:45] officer or whatever? [52:46] If you want to do the BLM tactics I mean we can do that but like no I don't care. [52:48] I don't care. [52:49] A 12 year old Travis Scott a baby by two years old. [52:51] Sure. [52:52] All death all murder is tragic. [52:53] You have a son right? [52:54] But what is the. [52:55] You have a son right? [52:56] It has nothing to do with the conversation. [52:57] So if your son was killed at the hands of an illegal immigrant who was a criminal you [53:00] would care about the southern border. [53:01] I would also care if he was killed by a 15 year. [53:03] I would care if he died in a school shooting. [53:05] What do you mean? [53:06] What's the point? [53:07] Wouldn't you be there advocating for the southern border to be closed? [53:10] You would be. [53:11] You would be. [53:12] You would be. [53:13] It debunks you. [53:14] It debunks you. [53:15] So you don't want to answer the question. [53:16] If your son was killed as a victim of at the hands of an illegal criminal. [53:20] By the way. [53:21] There is a hit there. [53:22] There is a watch list of many people terrorist groups and organizations that have been coming [53:28] into our country and it is very well known. [53:31] Look. [53:32] Let me tell it. [53:34] Okay. [53:35] Okay. [53:36] I'm sorry. [53:37] You've been voted out by the majority. [53:38] Oh, okay. [53:47] So as everybody's already discussed tariffs are actually beneficial to American manufacturing. [53:54] Why do you think every single economist hates tariffs? [53:55] Why do you hate American manufacturing? [53:56] Because I hate America. [53:57] I don't know. [53:58] What kind of a question? [53:59] No. [54:00] Do you? [54:01] Because manufacturing jobs actually bring people out of poverty. [54:02] So what is your problem with manufacturing in America? [54:03] My problem is in America, because we're such an educated country and because we're such [54:07] an advanced country, we can do more with our manufacturing than making the most bare bones things that other countries might be better suited towards creating. [54:20] So the reason why Elon Musk came to America to do Tesla and SpaceX. [54:21] So you prefer other people doing our manufacturing? [54:22] To do base manufacturing? [54:23] That's what you're saying. [54:24] We can do more complicated. [54:25] That's what you're saying. [54:26] You're saying that the lowest rung of our population isn't important enough to actually provide them a job, even if it is a manufacturing job. [54:27] They have jobs. [54:28] What is the jobs? [54:29] The ones that are being taken by the- [54:30] I don't know. [54:31] We have less than 5% unemployment. [54:32] What are they doing for work? [54:33] What do you mean? [54:34] The ones being taken by the immigrants? [54:35] I thought the immigrants were coming here and not working. [54:36] Because- [54:37] I'm the population that affects these police officers. [54:41] Really. [54:42] You have to learn Spanish, my son. [54:43] Not very well. [54:44] Something about the policies affecting you? [54:45] I don't know. [54:46] Yeah. [54:47] My community is the one who's going to be affected by the policies that are- [54:49] What are you talking about? [54:50] What are you talking about? [54:51] You're saying that the lowest rung of our population isn't important enough to actually provide them a job, even if it is a manufacturing job. [54:54] They have jobs. [54:55] What is the jobs? [54:56] The ones that are being taken by the- [54:57] I don't know. [54:58] We have less than 5% unemployment. [54:59] What are they doing for work? [55:00] What do you mean? [55:01] The ones being taken by the immigrants? [55:02] The policies that are- [55:03] What are you talking about? [55:04] What policies? [55:05] Kamala Harris's policies and Trump's policies, we benefited. [55:07] My community benefited. [55:08] In what? [55:09] From what policy? [55:10] What are you even talking about? [55:11] Because when you bring in an unskilled labor population, they're going to compete with Americans who are also low-skilled workers. [55:16] Do you think that we have an employment- [55:20] You don't think- [55:21] You don't think that I can't pick- [55:22] You don't think I can't teach Maria or Juanita to pick up a pair of scissors and groom a dog's hair? [55:27] Because I've done that before. [55:28] And you know what? [55:29] I can replace anybody. [55:30] That's called being a low-skilled worker. [55:32] And anybody crossing the border can do that. [55:34] You don't need a degree. [55:35] You don't need a diploma to do these jobs. [55:37] No, but we do have degrees. [55:38] But these jobs- [55:39] America does not have the most productive labor force in the world because we do base manufacturing jobs. [55:44] You don't think these low-skilled jobs are important. [55:46] You don't think these low-skilled jobs are important. [55:48] That's very sad. [55:49] That's very sad that you don't care about low-skilled workers. [55:51] We do more in the United States than just base manufacturing. [55:54] We are the world's most sophisticated and educated economy- [55:57] Why shouldn't we do- [55:58] Why shouldn't we do more base manufacturing? [56:00] Because you don't have 50 hours in the day. [56:01] You can do more than that. [56:02] Why wouldn't we let other countries do- [56:03] The reason that manufacturers choose to go out of the country is because America has to pay for things like labor laws, employment, insurance, all these other facets. [56:12] That's why these big corporations will go to places like China. [56:15] I have a company called BYD in my backyard that brings in Chinese immigrants and pays them Chinese wages in America. [56:22] And my representative, Mike Garcia, got that organization defunded because federal funding, my taxes- [56:29] Do you think it would be better if we paid- [56:30] So we need to pay- [56:31] So we need to pay- [56:32] So we need to pay- [56:33] I would rather pay American workers- [56:35] Two dollars an hour to make products? [56:36] No, I'd rather- [56:37] Maybe your company shouldn't exist in America. [56:38] Maybe you should go to China and make your company. [56:40] One dollars- [56:41] Go to China and make the company. [56:42] That would be better. [56:43] You should do that. [56:44] Yes, I'm arguing that American workers can earn more money- [56:46] You are very sad. [56:47] No, I'm saying- [56:48] You don't love America. [56:49] Elon Musk- [56:50] You are proving that you don't love America because you don't want Americans to benefit. [56:54] You don't want American manufacturing to lift people out of poverty. [56:58] That is sad. [56:59] Hi, what's up? [57:10] So we already talked about inflation 1.9 under Trump. [57:13] I think you guys like to leave out deficit spending, which was 8.2 trillion under Biden and 6.7 under Trump. [57:19] Why was it so much higher under Biden? [57:21] You could say during COVID, but you could also bring in the tax- [57:24] The total revenue during Biden and Trump was close to the same, and he was spending almost double the amount each year. [57:30] And you could also talk about- [57:31] Why was Trump running such huge deficits? [57:33] You're not going to answer that question, are you? [57:35] Can you repeat the question? [57:36] Why did Donald Trump- [57:37] Yeah, because you want to get the next point. [57:39] Why did Donald Trump engage in massive deficit spending? [57:42] Why did Donald Trump engage in massive deficit spending? [57:45] I don't know the answer. [57:46] Can you answer it? [57:47] Yeah, because he likes to spend, because it makes the economy look better. [57:49] Okay, so the same thing that Biden and Harris does. [57:51] Yeah, but they have a reason- [57:52] At an increasing rate, correct? [57:53] Because they're coming in under- [57:54] At an increasing rate, correct? [57:55] At an increasing rate, correct? [57:56] At an increasing rate to stave off recession. [57:57] Okay, and what about the Federal Reserve printing $16 trillion in two years? [58:00] What about the Federal Reserve- [58:02] From 2021 to 2023? [58:03] The Federal Reserve's monetary policy is separate from the administration, so- [58:05] No, because my point is, I'd like to blame inflation only on COVID. [58:08] You don't want to take in deficit spending. [58:09] You don't want to take in the Federal Reserve printing money. [58:11] You also don't want to- [58:12] If you want to talk about the Federal Reserve, the Federal Reserve rates were not only low [58:14] under Trump, he pressured them to be low. [58:16] He literally bragged about it in his interview. [58:18] And he said that when he comes back in, one of his goals is to keep the federal interest rates low. [58:21] He talked about bringing Jerome Powell into his office and threatening him to keep the rates low. [58:25] So if you don't like deficit spending, if you don't like the Federal Reserve's monetary policy, [58:28] if you don't like free money, then it feels like Donald Trump is literally the worst case for you. [58:32] Well, wouldn't you say that deficit spending is causing inflation? [58:35] It can, yes. [58:36] So doesn't that take more money away from Americans by your logic? [58:38] I don't know if it takes more money away from Americans, but deficit spending can lead to- [58:41] So on, higher inflation doesn't take money away from Americans? [58:43] It can. [58:44] It's more complicated than that. [58:45] But yeah, it can. [58:46] But I'm saying that deficit spending in and of itself is generally inflationary, [58:49] but there are reasons why you might want a deficit spend. [58:51] For instance, it's better to have some inflation than it is to have a recession or a full depression, right? [58:54] Okay. [58:55] Yeah. [58:56] I'll agree with that. [58:57] Now, you bring up tariffs. [58:58] Now, why did we extend them under Biden? [59:00] And then why do we double the tariffs from Canada as well if tariffs are so bad? [59:03] So when Biden does it, it's okay, but when Trump installs them, they're horrible. [59:07] So the issue is if you're talking about specific tariffs as retaliation because somebody else might be tariffing something that they shouldn't if they're engaging in that, [59:14] then that type of thing, as was discussed earlier, I think is okay. [59:16] The reason why a lot of them came in under Trump and they weren't rescinded under Biden is because once somebody's put a tariff in place and then a counter tariff comes up, [59:22] you have to engage in a negotiation to bring them down. [59:24] You can't take yours down unilaterally because you're just going to screw it. [59:26] So do you think all economists agree that 10% tariff is bad? [59:28] Yes. [59:29] You should look at a study 2019 by Jenny Tang, Brent Newman. [59:31] I would never look at a single study on that. [59:33] Okay. [59:34] That's time. [59:35] Please return to your seat. [59:37] Thank you, man. [59:38] My next claim is Donald Trump is a fascist. [59:43] Hello, Andrew. [59:50] Hello, Destiny. [59:51] Destiny, can you define fascism? [59:53] I would say the two big points for fascism would be ultranationalism and authoritarianism. [59:58] Okay. [59:59] What is authoritarianism? [1:00:00] I would say that authoritarianism is trying to centralize as much power in like a structural sense into one part of the government. [1:00:07] And then in a broader sense, it usually means undermining a bunch of liberal values that you would find. [1:00:11] So then how is it that every part of the government, which accrues more and more power to itself every single year, aren't a bunch of fascists? [1:00:18] Because the government gaining power doesn't necessarily make it fascist. [1:00:21] You could say there might be governmental overreach. [1:00:23] I'm still not even sure. [1:00:24] What is fascist here, Destiny? [1:00:25] What is fascist? [1:00:26] So Giovanni Gentili, we have definitions of what fascism is. [1:00:29] We have third partyists who are out there right now who are fascist. [1:00:33] They claim Trump is a populist. [1:00:35] Can you tell me why they're wrong and why you're right that he's a fascist? [1:00:38] Well, I would have to know their exact reasons for why they reject Trump being a fascist. [1:00:41] But I would say that Trump is a fascist because I think he's an ultranationalist and authoritarian. [1:00:44] Hang on. These are your claims. [1:00:45] These are your claims, right? [1:00:46] I'm not claiming anything that those people said. [1:00:47] I've given you my definition for fascist. [1:00:48] I gave the two parts. [1:00:49] I can explain them more if you want. [1:00:50] So let's start with ultra-authoritarian. [1:00:52] Well, I said ultranationalist and authoritarian. [1:00:54] What is ultranationalism? [1:00:55] So I think ultranationalism is when you engage in a hardcore protectionist ideology [1:01:01] that usually involves shutting yourself out from the rest of the world. [1:01:04] That could be in forms of international affairs like military conflicts, [1:01:07] and it could be in the forms of ultra-protectionist in terms of trade [1:01:09] and shutting down things like immigration in order to protect your own native peoples. [1:01:13] Oftentimes there's a heavily racialized element, but it might not have to be. [1:01:16] Okay. Well, Donald Trump, you're not saying has a heavy racialized element, are you? [1:01:20] I'm ambivalent. I don't really care about that much. [1:01:22] I think that he qualifies or satisfies the term without that. [1:01:25] Okay, so let's dive into this real quick. [1:01:27] If you have a president who doesn't want to get involved in foreign affairs as far as wars go [1:01:31] and has some type of policies which benefit the United States over all of the nations, is he a fascist? [1:01:36] No. [1:01:37] Well, I'm still confused as to what makes Trump a fascist. [1:01:40] That's because I had two parts of that, and you missed the authoritarian one. [1:01:42] Yeah, okay. [1:01:43] What I described there before was just like protectionism. [1:01:44] But when you said authoritarian, what is he doing which is accumulating all power to himself? [1:01:48] So he's trying to centralize power in the executive branch of the government [1:01:51] and specifically in the presidential part of the government, of the executive branch. [1:01:54] How? [1:01:55] Um, how? [1:01:57] Donald Trump thinks that he should be able to unilaterally make decisions up and down [1:02:00] all of the different departments and offices that exist in the executive branch. [1:02:03] Presidents use executive orders all the time. [1:02:05] That's not what an executive order is. [1:02:06] Presidents unilaterally make decisions all the time. [1:02:09] No, they don't? [1:02:10] Yes, they do. [1:02:11] They do. [1:02:12] They use executive orders all the time. [1:02:13] An executive order doesn't mean that you are taking power away from the departments [1:02:16] and offices that have been created. [1:02:17] Right, so where's the fascism here? [1:02:19] Would you like me to give you specific examples? [1:02:20] Yes, give me the specific examples. [1:02:21] Sure. [1:02:22] So when Donald Trump didn't like the answer that he was getting from his attorney general [1:02:25] because he was trying to direct the Department of Justice to do investigations [1:02:28] or to fabricate claims, that would be an example of trying to centralize power just to the president [1:02:32] because he's undermining his own department that's been created for him [1:02:35] that's supposed to have some level of independence that's tasked with doing investigations. [1:02:39] Let me ask you a question. [1:02:40] Is the president of the United States the commander-in-chief of the armed forces of the United States? [1:02:44] I believe so. [1:02:45] You believe so? [1:02:46] Unless something's changed. [1:02:47] Do they have control of the entire military apparatus essentially as the commander-in-chief? [1:02:51] As the commander-in-chief, yes. [1:02:52] Yeah. [1:02:53] Is that fascist? [1:02:54] No. [1:02:55] So they have unilateral, basically almost unilateral control by your own metrics [1:03:00] of the most mighty military on planet Earth. [1:03:03] That's not accumulating enough power, centralized control to one person. [1:03:06] It's the fact that he tried to slay some f***ing electors. [1:03:09] Really? [1:03:10] So the president being the commander-in-chief is specifically laid out in the Constitution. [1:03:13] That's an authority granted to him. [1:03:15] I don't know what's fascist about that. [1:03:17] Well, because you said it's ultra power. [1:03:19] It's this idea of having central power. [1:03:21] I didn't say anything about the military about- [1:03:23] I don't ever bring that up for him, but- [1:03:25] If you have the central power of the most mighty military on planet Earth [1:03:30] and the codes to the largest nuclear armament on planet Earth, [1:03:34] you already have all of the central power, bro. [1:03:37] Really? [1:03:38] Yeah. [1:03:39] How do the nuclear codes help you direct your Department of Justice? [1:03:41] Okay, I'm sorry. [1:03:42] Is he the commander-in-chief of the United States Armed Forces? [1:03:45] Are you just arguing that he's the commander-in-chief? [1:03:47] I already agree with you. [1:03:48] I don't know why you keep arguing this. [1:03:49] I'm asking you how does the commander-in-chief use the military to make- [1:03:51] You don't get to ask me. [1:03:52] It's your claim. [1:03:53] I'm asking you about your claim. [1:03:55] And your claim is he's a fascist. [1:03:56] How does that make him control the DOJ? [1:03:57] How does the military help him control the DOJ? [1:03:59] Okay, so back up. [1:04:00] That is the most powerful position I can think of for you to be in, period. [1:04:04] How could you accumulate- [1:04:05] That's a powerful position. [1:04:06] That's a powerful- [1:04:07] What more accumulation of power would you want for a fascist dictator? [1:04:10] Okay, so that's powerful in that you controlled the military. [1:04:13] That's it. [1:04:14] That's just control of the military. [1:04:15] For the FBI coming to your house to arrest you, for the DOJ filing charges against you- [1:04:18] You just said the military to do it! [1:04:19] No, the president doesn't do that. [1:04:20] He could! [1:04:21] No, I don't believe that he can. [1:04:23] I don't believe you can. [1:04:24] I don't think that you can deploy the military to arbitrarily arrest US citizens. [1:04:27] You've been voted out by the majority. [1:04:29] Please return to your seat. [1:04:30] Okay, you're not voting for Trump. [1:04:46] No. [1:04:47] I am. [1:04:48] I think we can have a respectful policy disagreement without labeling one side or the other fascist or communist or Marxist. [1:04:53] So let's have a policy disagreement here. [1:04:55] You think Donald Trump is a fascist because of ultra-nationalist tendencies and authoritarianism, correct? [1:05:01] Yeah. [1:05:02] So let me just draft this vision and see if it makes sense. [1:05:06] The authoritarianism is ruling by presidential decree, prosecuting political opponents, bringing power into the government, and abandoning our allies abroad. [1:05:16] That sounds a lot like the Biden-Harris administration. [1:05:19] Look at- [1:05:20] I would say that- [1:05:21] No, no, wait. [1:05:22] We'll go point by point. [1:05:23] Okay, go ahead. [1:05:24] First of all, when we talk about abandoning allies abroad, are we referring to- [1:05:27] So we haven't cut funding from Israel. [1:05:29] Are we referring to when Donald Trump abandoned the Kurdish people to Turkish attacks in Syria? [1:05:34] Are we talking about when the Trump administration cut out the Afghanistan government in the Doha Accords when they were talking with the Taliban, when Donald Trump surrendered to the Taliban? [1:05:42] Or are we talking about when Biden tried to support Ukraine with the full force of not only the United States economy and our moral support, but also by getting Europe on board to help Ukraine? [1:05:51] The idea that the Biden and Harris administration have abandoned our foreign partners is nonsense to me. [1:05:55] And also, it's not just about making the government more powerful. [1:05:58] I know that Andrew tried to run with that. [1:05:59] It's about centralizing power within the government. [1:06:01] Right, and wiping off student loan debts at the expense of working class Americans. [1:06:05] I understand that, but let's- [1:06:06] Also, hold on. [1:06:07] Wiping out student loan government, the citation for that was a bill that was passed from Congress. [1:06:11] Biden tried to do that because of the- [1:06:13] It was like extraordinary times. [1:06:14] You could do something and he tried to stretch it to that. [1:06:16] Supreme Court found it unconstitutional. [1:06:17] But the Supreme Court said no, and then he didn't do it. [1:06:19] Okay. [1:06:20] But Supreme Court had to intervene, right? [1:06:21] Well, the Supreme Court made a ruling on it because it was challenged. [1:06:24] That's the government like working as- [1:06:25] And he stopped trying to do that right afterward, right? [1:06:27] He said, I'm not going to do this anymore. [1:06:28] Or did he say, I'm going to keep delivering on this promise? [1:06:30] I think he exploited other legal avenues to do it. [1:06:32] Okay. [1:06:33] Well, legal remains to be seen, but let's talk about- [1:06:35] Well, he hasn't done anything illegal, right? [1:06:36] Okay. [1:06:37] Let's talk about- [1:06:38] Okay. [1:06:39] Well, he hasn't done anything illegal, right? [1:06:40] We're talking about- [1:06:41] Okay. [1:06:42] There's no answer to that. [1:06:43] Okay. [1:06:45] Let's talk about October 7th. [1:06:46] October 7th would not have happened if President Trump was in office. [1:06:49] Ukraine would not have been invaded by Russia if President Trump was in office. [1:06:52] You can call him crazy. [1:06:53] You can call him anything. [1:06:54] He was an effective deterrent because he understood, Stephen, a little thing we like to call peace through strength. [1:07:00] Here's the truth. [1:07:01] The truth is October 7th probably happened likely because of Trump and his policies. [1:07:04] Well, why is- [1:07:05] Holy moly. [1:07:06] Why is that? [1:07:07] Why is that? [1:07:08] Yes, please. [1:07:09] The reason why is because Donald Trump engaged in more reckless behavior with Israel that only encouraged Israel's expansionism without doing anything to actually address the Palestinian problem. [1:07:16] For instance, Donald Trump agreed to moving and recognizing the moving of the embassy to Jerusalem that instigated everybody in the region, including the Palestinians, which is why you saw the whole border riots, the great march of return that erupted over the year protesting that. [1:07:29] And then Donald Trump, along with Kushner, tried to help Israelis negotiate multilateral peace agreements or more bilateral peace agreements for the Abraham Accords, again, while cutting out the Palestinians. [1:07:39] All of this just continued to drive the Palestinian plight further and further because they saw more and more allies being isolated from them. [1:07:44] They saw no recognition over in the United States. [1:07:46] And then obviously, you know, terrorist attacks is all you can do from that point, apparently. [1:07:49] So- [1:07:50] So Trump moved an embassy, got Muslim-majority countries for the first time ever to recognize the rightful existence of the Jewish state of Israel. [1:07:58] And that justifies the heinous attack we saw on October 7th, where we killed over 1,000- [1:08:02] Who said anything justified anything? [1:08:04] Well, you said that Trump was responsible for October 7th. [1:08:07] I said that Donald Trump and his foreign policy posturing is what moved us in that direction. [1:08:12] President Biden was in office for three years before October 7th happened. How possibly could that be Trump's fault? [1:08:18] What does Biden do to contribute to the conditions that made October 7th happen? [1:08:21] Very clear, very clear. [1:08:23] Iran was only exporting 150,000 barrels of oil a day under Trump. [1:08:28] Now they're exporting 1.6 million. [1:08:31] They're making hundreds of billions of dollars a year more. [1:08:34] That emboldens them to give their proxies weapons, money, and the vigor to attack the Jewish state. [1:08:40] And that is unacceptable in the international community. [1:08:43] Let me tell you something about President Trump. [1:08:44] Let me tell you something about President Trump. [1:08:45] You think the only reason that Hamas attacked Israel- [1:08:47] You think the only reason they were able to do it is because of an increase to Iranian funding? [1:08:50] Who funds Hamas? [1:08:51] In part, it's Iran, but Hamas gets funding from all sorts of different adventures. [1:08:54] Who funds Iran? [1:08:55] Who funds Hamas? [1:08:56] They get money from Qatar, right? [1:08:57] Who funds? [1:08:58] Okay. [1:08:59] Who funds Hamas? [1:09:00] Right? [1:09:01] Of course they do. [1:09:02] Who gives more money? [1:09:03] No, no, no, no. [1:09:04] It might have been Qatar, I think, actually. [1:09:05] Well, they give them a Ritz-Carlton hotel room. [1:09:06] But listen- [1:09:07] No, they were transferring a whole lot of money to the Gaza Strip. [1:09:09] That was one of the big things, one of the big scandals that Netanyahu was involved in, [1:09:12] was allowing that money to pass through to the Gaza Strip under his supervision. [1:09:14] Let's just do some quick logical reasoning here. [1:09:16] If Iran gets more money, that's good for Hamas, right? [1:09:18] You agree on that? [1:09:19] Come on. [1:09:20] Broadly speaking- [1:09:21] Broadly speaking. [1:09:22] Yeah, come on. [1:09:23] Just concede one thing, Stephen. [1:09:24] Come on. [1:09:25] Broadly speaking, probably, yeah. [1:09:26] Okay. [1:09:27] All right. [1:09:28] There's more at play here- [1:09:29] That's fine. [1:09:30] That I'm not even sure if you're aware of. [1:09:31] So the IRGC, the Iranian Revolutionary Guard Corps has some amount of money that's guaranteed [1:09:33] to it, regardless of whether exporting or importing as a country- [1:09:35] And you know what- [1:09:36] In general, I agree with you, sure. [1:09:37] Yeah. [1:09:38] You know what? [1:09:39] I am glad that President Trump ordered the assassination of Qasem Soleimani. [1:09:42] Because that man is responsible for death and destruction. [1:09:45] The targets he made on the Jewish state were completely unacceptable. [1:09:47] Stephen- [1:09:48] I don't even think- [1:09:49] The targets he made on American citizens in Iraq was unacceptable. [1:09:51] I have no love lost for Soleimani. [1:09:53] I'm glad the dude's dead. [1:09:54] I'm not gonna stand here and defend it. [1:09:55] But Donald Trump doesn't do anything good foreign policy-wise for Israel. [1:09:58] He doesn't have a vision for the region. [1:09:59] That's why he had to basically leave all of it to his son-in-law, Kushner. [1:10:02] But why was Crimea annexed under Obama? [1:10:05] Why was Ukraine invaded under Biden? [1:10:07] Why did nothing happen under Trump for four years? [1:10:10] It was a complete stalemate, complete stability. [1:10:12] Wait, wait, wait. [1:10:13] Crimea was still occupied, right? [1:10:14] Okay, but it was annexed under who? [1:10:16] Hold on. [1:10:17] It was still occupied, right? [1:10:18] Of course. [1:10:19] But let's be realists. [1:10:20] Let's be realists, Stephen. [1:10:21] There was a civil war that was raging in the Donbas the entire time, right? [1:10:24] Did it accelerate? [1:10:25] Did it accelerate? [1:10:26] Was there new land claims- [1:10:27] Not new land claims, but the civil war in the Donbas- [1:10:30] Was keep being bombed. [1:10:31] No, but the civil war in the Donbas was still going on. [1:10:33] What did Donald Trump do about that? [1:10:34] The world is safer under President Trump. [1:10:36] The world was safer under President Trump. [1:10:38] The world knows that, Stephen. [1:10:40] And the world's gonna show that on November 5th. [1:10:42] Okay. [1:10:53] So would you attribute fascism to maybe a dictator? [1:10:56] I mean, a dictator can be fascistic, sure. [1:10:59] Okay. [1:11:00] So on Biden's first day in office, he signed 17 executive orders. [1:11:04] Trump signed one. [1:11:06] Most of the executive orders that Biden signed were to halt the border and other Trump immigration policies. [1:11:11] I don't think executive orders have anything to do with fascism. [1:11:14] Would you attribute those to being a dictator? [1:11:18] No. [1:11:19] Not at all? [1:11:20] No. [1:11:21] Okay. [1:11:22] What other claim do you have that he is a fascist compared to- [1:11:25] I think that Donald Trump reaching into and trying to direct his apartments to do probably illegal things. [1:11:29] Well, Biden did that too with Facebook. [1:11:31] He came out and said- [1:11:32] Zuckerberg came out and said that Biden and Harris came to him to pretty much limit what Trump- [1:11:39] I don't think that was the claim. [1:11:40] I think that what Zuckerberg said was that he felt pressured by some of the intelligence agencies to censor stories that they had censored. [1:11:46] And he felt like he regretted that or he didn't want to do that. [1:11:48] Like the hunter-like laptop, for example? [1:11:50] Well, that wasn't done because of any direct pressure from any of the intelligence agencies. [1:11:54] We saw that in the Twitter files. [1:11:55] There was never a claim- [1:11:56] Well, then why would Zuckerberg come out and say I'm not going to- [1:11:58] Well, I'm talking about the Twitter files. [1:11:59] Zuckerberg had his reasons that he listed in his letter to Jordan. [1:12:02] Right. [1:12:03] But none of this was illegal. [1:12:04] Well, I'm not saying it's illegal, but I'm saying- [1:12:06] Would you not say that's kind of dictatorial kind of fascist? [1:12:08] No, I don't think so. [1:12:09] It's all like out in the open. [1:12:10] Like at the end of the year, like Twitter and Facebook are publishing like how much they're charging- [1:12:12] Let's say the world's reversed and then Trump did that to Biden. [1:12:15] Would you then call him a fascist for doing that? [1:12:17] For doing what? [1:12:18] For pressuring, as you said, Zuckerberg or Mehta to limit- [1:12:23] If Donald Trump's intelligence agencies felt like there was like information that was being illegally offered into the United States from foreign enemies or whatever, and that- [1:12:30] Well, it wasn't illegal. The laptop was proof- [1:12:32] No, but that was the fear. [1:12:34] And that was the fear that they had shared with those companies. [1:12:37] That they didn't force them directly to take any action. [1:12:38] Again, we can read the Twitter files. [1:12:39] We can go through the emails. [1:12:40] I'm not talking about Twitter. [1:12:41] I'm talking about Facebook. [1:12:42] I'm talking about Mehta. [1:12:43] For Facebook, Zuckerberg also didn't allow any illegal action. [1:12:44] He just said there was pressure from some of the agencies to censor what they perceived to be as threats or misinformation or whatever. [1:12:50] I think some have had COVID misinformation as well, I think. [1:12:53] Which we can argue should they have the role to do that. [1:12:55] I just don't know if that's necessarily fascistic like Donald Trump trying to direct his DOJ to go after certain people or trying to direct his DOJ to- [1:13:01] Well, minus than that with all the- [1:13:03] There's zero evidence for any of that. [1:13:05] And probably, it's almost certainly not true if you look at how Merrick Garland has gone after, for instance, his son. [1:13:09] Okay, pause. [1:13:10] You've been voted out by the majority. [1:13:11] Please return to your seats. [1:13:12] Hi. [1:13:13] I'm Tia. [1:13:21] Nice to meet you. [1:13:22] Nice to meet you. [1:13:23] So I wanted to hone in on the part about nationalism. [1:13:25] Can you explain that again in a little bit more detail? [1:13:27] Sure. [1:13:28] So I would say more ultra-nationalism than just nationalism. [1:13:30] But it's this idea that, you know, basically screw the rest of the world. [1:13:34] We're going to hardcore cut immigration. [1:13:35] We're going to hardcore cut our trade. [1:13:37] We're going to hardcore cut our association with anybody else. [1:13:39] And we're just going to be like our own little basically island nation. [1:13:42] I think it's a very bad direction to go in. [1:13:44] And who's taking us in that direction? [1:13:46] I think that's what Donald Trump wants to do. [1:13:47] Wants to do? [1:13:48] He was in office for four years. [1:13:49] Did he do that? [1:13:50] Well, Donald Trump began some tariff processes. [1:13:53] He tried to do a full Muslim ban. [1:13:54] So he didn't do that for four years? [1:13:55] Well, he took steps towards that. [1:13:56] He took steps towards that, right? [1:13:57] So I'm curious. [1:13:58] You're an American? [1:13:59] You're a U.S. citizen. [1:14:00] You were born here? [1:14:01] He did do that. [1:14:02] He did do tariffs. [1:14:03] He acknowledged that, right? [1:14:04] Do you like being an American? [1:14:05] Are you glad to be able to live here? [1:14:08] I'm glad to be able to live here. [1:14:09] Am I glad to be an American? [1:14:10] I am, but I don't know what that means to you. [1:14:13] But to me, I am glad to be an American. [1:14:14] Which is interesting, because something that I've started to realize in the last few years [1:14:17] is people who love America, who love living here, have been titled nationalists. [1:14:22] And it's like a threat all of a sudden. [1:14:23] People that label themselves MAGA, that say they love America, have nothing to do with [1:14:26] American values and nothing in common with the core values of this country. [1:14:29] So they are the least American people. [1:14:30] Please explain. [1:14:31] Please explain. [1:14:32] Sure. [1:14:33] The desire to elect somebody who says the most obviously fascistist things in the world, [1:14:36] like the media is the enemy of the people, a guy who says he wants to terminate the Constitution, [1:14:40] a guy who says he'd be a dictator on day one. [1:14:42] Who's terminating the Constitution? [1:14:43] Donald Trump said that he believes he could terminate the Constitution because of voter fraud. [1:14:46] It's so crazy, because I've been hearing a lot lately from your side that the Constitution isn't necessary. [1:14:51] Oh, I'm sorry. [1:14:52] Which lawmaker or presidential candidate said that? [1:14:54] Your side. [1:14:55] Which, is that the name first and last? [1:14:57] Your side? [1:14:58] Yeah. [1:14:59] Like Miss Side? [1:15:00] Or is she a congressman? [1:15:01] Or is she a senator? [1:15:02] I don't know which leader has said that, so I can't speak to that. [1:15:04] I don't know who you follow on Twitter. [1:15:05] So I can speak to that. [1:15:06] But anyway, you acknowledge Donald Trump said that in times of like great peril, [1:15:09] you can suspend the Constitution and that he would do that for voter fraud. [1:15:12] For voter fraud? [1:15:13] He said that, yes. [1:15:14] On Truth Social he said that. [1:15:15] I'm sure there's a longer quote that I can look up later. [1:15:18] I would love to do that. [1:15:19] Okay. [1:15:20] But I'm sure you're using it out of context. [1:15:21] Okay. [1:15:22] You'll look it up later and you won't ever talk about it again because it's an abhorrent quote. [1:15:24] How could you know me so well? [1:15:27] Because you're on that side, I know. [1:15:28] Okay. [1:15:29] You agree that Donald Trump said that he would be a dictator on day one? [1:15:31] He did not say he would be a dictator on day one. [1:15:34] Okay. [1:15:35] Okay, cool. [1:15:36] So as an American, I believe that it's a privilege and a blessing to live here. [1:15:42] And under the Biden and Harris administration, my life has gotten a lot worse and a lot more difficult. [1:15:47] Has your life gotten better or has it gotten worse? [1:15:49] I'd say my life has gotten better. [1:15:51] Well, congratulations. [1:15:53] You're the only person in this room maybe. [1:15:55] But when I go to the grocery store, and you mentioned about inflation and everything, [1:15:58] but when I go to the grocery store and a bag of groceries is like $50 and I have two kids to feed, [1:16:03] do you think that that helps me as an American or do you think that hurts me as an American? [1:16:07] I think an expansion of the child tax credit would help you a lot more than another tax cut for wealthy billionaires. [1:16:11] A couple thousand dollars isn't going to change my life, especially when- [1:16:14] Another $6,000 a year wouldn't help you deal with groceries? [1:16:17] With two children? [1:16:19] Yeah. [1:16:21] This much maybe, but if the price of- [1:16:23] What are your children eating? [1:16:24] Okay, pause. [1:16:25] You've been voted out by the majority. [1:16:27] Please return to your seat. [1:16:28] Thank you. [1:16:29] Nice to meet you. [1:16:37] Hi. [1:16:38] Hi, nice to meet you. [1:16:39] I would like to address, because earlier I feel like this was kind of dodged on a little bit. [1:16:44] Earlier you directly said that Trump was authoritarian, then you said he was ultra-nationalist, [1:16:48] and then you said he was authoritarian, then you said he was ultra-nationalist again. [1:16:51] You kind of bounce back and forth. [1:16:52] So which do you think- [1:16:53] Well, I would say both. [1:16:54] He's both, right? [1:16:55] Both, right. [1:16:56] But then when the topic of ultra-nationalism brought up, you said, well, he's more authoritarian. [1:17:00] And then that again changed to, well, he's more ultra-nationalist. [1:17:02] So which in your mind is he? [1:17:04] Is he more authoritarian or is he more ultra-nationalist? [1:17:07] I don't know how to answer. [1:17:09] It's like asking if a square is more blue or five feet tall. [1:17:12] Well, because you said that he was more nationalist, and then you said he was more authoritarian. [1:17:18] You said both claims. [1:17:19] So I want to know which claim. [1:17:21] Is he more nationalist or is he more authoritarian? [1:17:23] I don't know how to say which one he's more of. [1:17:25] He's both. [1:17:26] They're not competing things. [1:17:27] I think I ever said that. [1:17:28] I don't remember. [1:17:29] Do you remember what it was in response to? [1:17:30] I believe the first gentleman who spoke. [1:17:32] Okay. [1:17:33] He might have said something like you said that he was an ultra-nationalist. [1:17:35] I said yes, and an authoritarian. [1:17:36] So another question is- [1:17:37] Because just being one of these things isn't enough to be a fascist. [1:17:38] So why is nationalism at all even bad in the first place? [1:17:41] I don't know if nationalism is necessarily bad. [1:17:43] I think that people kind of swap it out with patriotism sometimes. [1:17:45] That's why there's the prefix ultra-nationalism. [1:17:47] Ultra-nationalism is bad. [1:17:48] It's because when you elevate your own country just like- [1:17:50] And what did he do for ultra-nationalism? [1:17:51] When he talks about putting terrorists across the board for every single other country on the planet. [1:17:55] So helping our country's economy- [1:17:57] It's not helping our economy? [1:17:58] It's not- [1:17:59] It wouldn't be helping us- [1:18:00] So he was not helping our economy during his presidency when he was actually literally getting us to import rice to China. [1:18:06] Rice to China is benefiting our economy, is that not? [1:18:10] Is replacing China as one of China's biggest farming with ours? [1:18:15] And as this gentleman also brought up with our manufacturing, how is bringing manufacturing over here, [1:18:20] which is helped by tariffs? [1:18:22] How is that not- [1:18:23] We already have- [1:18:24] How is that horrible? [1:18:25] We already manufacture things here. [1:18:26] If we've got more people manufacturing baser goods, then we can't manufacture more sophisticated goods. [1:18:30] There's a reason Elon Musk- [1:18:31] Why? [1:18:32] Because you only have so many people. [1:18:33] Okay, pause. [1:18:34] That's time. [1:18:35] Please return to your chair. [1:18:36] My next claim is the Make America Great Again movement would not exist without massive amounts of disinformation. [1:18:54] Hello, Destiny. [1:18:55] Hi. [1:18:56] Fancy seeing you here again. [1:18:57] Yep. [1:18:58] Here to bully me some more. [1:18:59] Yep. [1:19:00] Alright, let's go. [1:19:01] Okay. [1:19:02] Can you state some of the disinformation? [1:19:04] Sure. [1:19:05] I think over the past few weeks, we've seen absurd claims relating to hurricanes being manufactured by weather machines. [1:19:10] We've seen outright lies about the National Guard and FEMA, like blowing away supplies and trapping people in their homes and lying about Biden providing financial aid to states, [1:19:20] even though Trump is the one that has threatened to withhold aid. [1:19:23] And lies about the Haitians eating dogs and cats and Springfield. [1:19:26] I can go on it. [1:19:27] Have you- have you- I have a few questions. [1:19:29] Yeah. [1:19:30] Have you left the United States? [1:19:31] Yeah. [1:19:32] Where have you been? [1:19:33] Um, I've been through Israel and Palestine. [1:19:34] Um, I've been through Israel and Palestine. [1:19:35] Okay. [1:19:36] I've gone across Europe. [1:19:37] I've been to New Zealand. [1:19:38] I've been to a place in Asia. [1:19:39] I don't know what- [1:19:40] Okay. [1:19:41] So you're like me. [1:19:42] You've been everywhere. [1:19:43] So you've seen some of these claims. [1:19:44] You've like literally seen them to be true? [1:19:46] Are that- they're false rather? [1:19:47] So- [1:19:48] I mean, I haven't seen how a hurricane is made. [1:19:49] Okay. [1:19:50] I haven't talked to every Haitian in Springfield, so- [1:19:52] All right. [1:19:54] So what was the second point you brought up? [1:19:56] Um, what? [1:19:57] About- you said something about the- the camps and not- not looking that way. [1:20:00] That was my point. [1:20:01] The- [1:20:02] Have you been to these camps and have you seen the conditions and things that- [1:20:05] The FEMA camps? [1:20:06] Yeah. [1:20:07] No. [1:20:08] Yeah. [1:20:10] So- exactly. [1:20:11] Period. [1:20:12] The end. [1:20:13] So you're- you're saying no, you haven't, but you're saying it's disinformation. [1:20:15] So how do you know that it's disinformation? [1:20:18] Which is why I brought up the point, have you left the country? [1:20:21] Have you seen with your own eyes what's going on in these camps? [1:20:24] And- [1:20:25] Do you understand that for any type of society in an advanced civilization to work, you have [1:20:28] to be able to rely on third party people to report to you things that are true? [1:20:31] Right. [1:20:32] But there's so much fake news out there today. [1:20:33] Exactly. [1:20:34] Exactly. [1:20:35] So my question is to you though, is that have you seen these claims- have you seen these [1:20:38] places with your own eyes? [1:20:39] Do you know what's going on? [1:20:40] No, but I don't have time to verify everything with my own eyes. [1:20:42] I know. [1:20:43] Because you're too busy teaching gamers how to be nerdy now, right? [1:20:45] Because I can't verify every single thing in the world with my own eyes. [1:20:48] Just like you couldn't verify the fact that you enjoy getting pegged, right? [1:20:52] Actually, you did verify that. [1:20:54] Anyways, but that was just- [1:20:55] Technically you need a mirror to see that, but I don't know why it even- [1:20:57] It was a B-side. [1:20:58] Are we here to talk sex for 20 minutes? [1:21:00] Or do that if you want? [1:21:01] No, no, no, no. [1:21:02] Okay. [1:21:03] What other claims were not valid or false? [1:21:08] How many- [1:21:09] Something else. [1:21:10] I mean the election, the 2020 election, the voter fraud claims for that were all fabricated. [1:21:13] Plus, you've been voted out by the majority. [1:21:16] Please return to your seats. [1:21:18] I think that both sides thrive on misinformation. [1:21:25] I think average people don't have enough time in their lives to decipher what's true and what's not. [1:21:30] I think that's the case for most people who work 9 to 5, unfortunately. [1:21:33] But I think that your side also thrives off of misinformation. [1:21:36] I think that you actually just did the meme a second ago. [1:21:39] You said that the Tax Cuts and Jobs Act was just tax cuts for the rich. [1:21:42] But in fact, people making $15,000 to $50,000 received a tax cut of 16 to 26%. [1:21:47] The majority of the money went to wealthy people that were- [1:21:49] Why is that? [1:21:50] It's because wealthy people pay more taxes, Steven. [1:21:52] Yeah. [1:21:53] So their share of tax burden is obviously going to be in volume more physical dollars. [1:21:56] Correct. [1:21:57] But when it comes to the budget, all that matters is the absolute- [1:21:59] Proportionally. [1:22:00] Do you concede that proportionally, middle class people received more in tax breaks than rich people? [1:22:04] Proportionally. [1:22:05] Proportionally to their income? [1:22:06] Yes. [1:22:07] Possibly. [1:22:08] Or their tax burden. [1:22:09] But the problem is the effect at the end of the day on the budget then is going to be out- [1:22:12] like the biggest outlay is going to be towards wealthy people, right? [1:22:14] Our deficits are increasing because all the money that wealthy people are saving, right? [1:22:17] Okay. [1:22:18] Sure. [1:22:19] Fair enough. [1:22:20] But I think like already, what is it, 90% of taxes are paid by 50% of the country and [1:22:24] 50% of taxes are paid by 1% of the country. [1:22:26] I always hear this thing of like the billionaires, the rich people aren't paying their fair share, [1:22:30] but it seems to me that they've been paying more than their fair share since America's [1:22:33] inception and the middle class actually has been paying not their fair share. [1:22:36] And I'm not saying that we should increase taxes on the middle class, but what I'm saying [1:22:39] is the billionaires are definitely paying their fair share. [1:22:41] They pay a lot for sure. [1:22:42] But if you want to fund all the programs that we have, you have to tax people more. [1:22:45] Back to the misinfo thing. [1:22:46] Okay. [1:22:47] I agree that both sides engage in misinformation. [1:22:48] I just think that conservatives do it on a whole other level. [1:22:50] Donald Trump will get up and lie as easily as he breathes. [1:22:53] Like if you watch any of the interviews that he gives, it's lie after lie after lie after lie. [1:22:56] Same thing with Kamala Harris and Tim Walz. [1:22:57] Not even close to the same level. [1:22:58] Dude, oh my God. [1:22:59] Bro. [1:23:00] There's a reason why they asked Tim Walz, did you lie? [1:23:01] Like were you three months off on when you went to China? [1:23:03] And then he filibustered for five minutes. [1:23:05] And then for Vance it was, do you believe the results of the last election? [1:23:07] Yeah. [1:23:08] No, I agree with you. [1:23:09] These are totally different types of, you agree. [1:23:10] Yeah. [1:23:11] These are totally different types of plans. [1:23:12] Sure. [1:23:13] But like your side is constantly touting. [1:23:14] Like saying inflation is lower now than it was under Trump. [1:23:16] Pre-COVID inflation rate is 2.4%. [1:23:18] Why did Biden say he ran for president? [1:23:33] I don't remember. [1:23:34] Do you remember the video he released at the beginning when he launched his campaign? [1:23:38] For the 2020 election? [1:23:39] Yes. [1:23:40] I don't remember now. [1:23:41] He says because of Charlottesville. [1:23:43] And he specifically cited that Donald Trump called the Nazis fine people. [1:23:49] Do you believe that? [1:23:50] So, yes. [1:23:51] I don't know why. [1:23:52] No, no, no, no. [1:23:53] I'm sorry. [1:23:54] Hold on. [1:23:55] Wait, I understand what you're going to say. [1:23:56] I know what you're going to say. [1:23:57] It's people like to go to the quote. [1:23:58] So some people present this as Donald Trump saying that the Nazis were good people. [1:24:01] He didn't. [1:24:02] He said there were good people on both sides of that rally, but it was a rally that had Nazis. [1:24:06] I don't know in what world you would ever say that. [1:24:08] The full quote doesn't exculpatory. [1:24:10] It's not exculpatory at all. [1:24:11] The full quote, he said the Nazis and white supremacists are completely disavowed. [1:24:17] So he disavowed them. [1:24:18] After he was pushed several times to do so. [1:24:20] No, no, no. [1:24:21] That's not true. [1:24:22] No, no. [1:24:23] He said it in the speech. [1:24:24] He said it in the speech. [1:24:25] He said it in the speech. [1:24:26] And they took him out of context and said that he called them fine people. [1:24:29] Right after he said the fine people line, he said disavowed the Nazis. [1:24:32] So that's a lie that the Biden campaign. [1:24:34] I disagree that it was a lie. [1:24:36] His quote on its own of him saying there were fine people on both sides. [1:24:39] He did not. [1:24:41] And a tiki tally on a tiki torch rally. [1:24:42] That is insanity. [1:24:43] He said disavowed. [1:24:44] That is insanity. [1:24:45] It's really easy. [1:24:46] This was like a question on a retard testing. [1:24:48] Like, hey, listen, here's a rally with a bunch of guys. [1:24:50] Sorry. [1:24:51] My bad. [1:24:52] Streamer language. [1:24:53] My bad. [1:24:54] Streamer language. [1:24:55] There's a rally. [1:24:56] And on one side you had a bunch of people with tiki torches. [1:24:57] How would you describe the rally? [1:24:58] And you go, well, there are fine people on both sides. [1:25:00] It's the most easy bait in the world to say. [1:25:02] You probably should just say that side is a bad side. [1:25:05] Considering how much people claim that like you have to disavow all the BLM. [1:25:08] That's objectively false. [1:25:09] It was a protest over the removal of the Confederate statues. [1:25:12] There were people that were normal people there. [1:25:13] Were there people there with tiki torches? [1:25:15] That was at the night before. [1:25:16] Okay, pause. [1:25:17] Because he disavowed the Nazis. [1:25:19] You've been voted out. [1:25:20] Please return to your seat. [1:25:21] What's up, Steven? [1:25:28] Hey, what's up? [1:25:29] So, tell me, misinformation. [1:25:31] You mean like fake dossiers? [1:25:33] Or like rhetoric that has a president get assassinated? [1:25:37] Attempts to get assassinated? [1:25:39] You mean like that kind of misinformation? [1:25:41] That'll cause three assassination attempts? [1:25:44] Do you know why those people try those assassination attempts? [1:25:46] I don't know. [1:25:47] You're your friends, right? [1:25:48] Didn't you say like one of the Republicans got shot, right? [1:25:50] I don't think any of those people are my friends. [1:25:52] So I mean, that's the level of disinformation. [1:25:54] Weren't two of them like registered Republicans? [1:25:56] So they say, were they watching your content? [1:25:59] Yeah, that's what they said. [1:26:01] Who's they? [1:26:02] They, you know. [1:26:03] The Jews? [1:26:04] I don't know about that. [1:26:05] Isn't that the same misinformation? [1:26:07] The dossiers, the rhetoric that he's bad, he's going to ruin the country. [1:26:10] Which dossiers? [1:26:11] Oh, you know, like the one that Hillary Clinton bought, right? [1:26:13] Okay, the one that was published by BuzzFeed Media. [1:26:15] The fake one. [1:26:16] I don't know if that was fake. [1:26:17] The one that left that whole FBI investigation that wasted a whole bunch of Americans' money, right? [1:26:22] Well, no, I don't think I would say. [1:26:23] I think that the Mueller investigation turned out more credible indictments and information [1:26:26] than the Hillary Clinton email investigation and the whole Benghazi waste of time. [1:26:30] Yeah, but it was all that stuff that came from, you know, the Democrat Party. [1:26:35] All that fake news, right? [1:26:37] Is that what you're talking about? [1:26:38] I don't know. [1:26:39] I don't know if you call it fake news. [1:26:40] It was a dossier that they paid for to be researched by a person. [1:26:42] I mean, he said that there was low confidence in a lot of it. [1:26:44] Just like, for instance, would you acknowledge it all about Hunter Biden and his illegal dealings with Burisma and Joe Biden, like profiting off that? [1:26:50] That's all fake news, too? [1:26:51] No, no. [1:26:52] I just know he does a lot of cocaine. [1:26:53] Okay. [1:26:54] Do you cocaine with him? [1:26:55] No, I don't. [1:26:56] Do you coom with him? [1:26:57] Not recently, no. [1:26:58] Because you are the Coomer Grimm one, right? [1:26:59] Am I the Coomer Grimm one? [1:27:00] Well, we know you are. [1:27:01] Yeah? [1:27:02] Like Donald Trump is? [1:27:03] No, no. [1:27:04] When he was like a prostitute like four years or four months after his wife had a child at home when he was cheating with Stormy Daniels? [1:27:07] You mean like how you take your wife to go get banged out by a bunch of dudes and suck a dude's dick? [1:27:10] I'm not running for president. [1:27:11] Am I running for president right now? [1:27:12] Are you going to vote for me? [1:27:13] No, I wouldn't vote for you. [1:27:14] Do you remember when Donald Trump was f***ing Stormy Daniels? [1:27:16] No, but do you remember when you were sucking a dick on like, you know, podcasts? [1:27:18] Four months after? [1:27:19] Four months after she had a child? [1:27:20] You remember that? [1:27:21] You notice that? [1:27:22] Remember that? [1:27:23] I like that the standard that you set for me is the same as you set for your president. [1:27:25] I'm not running for president. [1:27:26] You understand that, right? [1:27:27] You're not my standard for president. [1:27:28] Okay, pause. [1:27:29] Then why are you comparing Trump to me? [1:27:30] Because I'm just... [1:27:31] Pause. [1:27:32] You've been voted out by the majority. [1:27:33] Please return to your seat. [1:27:44] So, everybody seems to be bringing up neo-Nazis and neo-nationalism. [1:27:47] That seems to be coming up. [1:27:48] And I want to know why under Obama, Joe Biden was the vice president. [1:27:53] Under Obama, and they are United States government. [1:27:56] This is a fact. [1:27:57] Organized a coup against the government of Ukraine. [1:28:00] And Ukraine is known as one of the number one countries where neo-Nazis are going to train. [1:28:05] You have the Aza Batillion. [1:28:06] You have the right sector. [1:28:07] One, the Aza Batillion, I think it has most had like six or seven hundred people that might have been identified as neo-Nazis. [1:28:12] Maybe. [1:28:13] Number one. [1:28:14] Number two, the United States did not engage in any type of coup or anything in Ukraine. [1:28:18] There is a coup. [1:28:19] It's reported. [1:28:20] No, there wasn't. [1:28:21] Yeah, Victoria Nuland. [1:28:22] Victoria Nuland. [1:28:23] I'm aware of the Nuland leak. [1:28:24] All she said was that we would all- [1:28:25] Aware of the Nuland leak with Jeffrey Pyatt, then why did they remove Jeffrey Pyatt from the embassy? [1:28:30] The leak called. [1:28:31] Why did they remove Jeffrey Pyatt from the embassy? [1:28:32] Why did they kick him out of Ukraine? [1:28:33] Why did they kick him out of Ukraine? [1:28:34] There's absolutely no evidence that Yeramaydan was concocted more delusional. [1:28:38] You're a crazy person. [1:28:39] You're a crazy person. [1:28:40] You're a crazy person. [1:28:41] You're a crazy person. [1:28:42] No, no, no, no. [1:28:43] It doesn't matter. [1:28:44] You don't understand what happened and you're making up claims that aren't true. [1:28:49] These are actual recordings from Victoria Nuland and Jeffrey Pyatt. [1:28:52] We've all heard them 15 million times because it's the only things that you guys can propagate [1:28:55] to try to claim that the United States engaged in a coup over there. [1:28:57] You guys haven't brought this up at all. [1:28:58] I'm bringing it up right now. [1:28:59] Okay. [1:29:00] You've been voted out by the majority. [1:29:03] Hi. [1:29:12] So I just want to address the fact recently we had a debate and so there wasn't any fact checks [1:29:19] on Kamala Harris really any time, especially when she claimed that Democrats don't support [1:29:25] third trimester abortion and that it never happens. [1:29:27] That recently happened not too long ago, Washington, D.C. with Cesar Santangelo. [1:29:32] There were five third trimester babies who were aborted. [1:29:35] We've seen this with Kermit Gosnell as well. [1:29:38] Can I ask what were those five babies aborted for? [1:29:41] Why does that matter? [1:29:42] They were still killed third trimester, fully developed, their spines completely snapped. [1:29:46] The question is, was the abortion a part of like a medical procedure for the life of the mother? [1:29:50] No, no. [1:29:51] So it was a totally elective. [1:29:52] It was an elective, yes. [1:29:53] Okay. [1:29:54] I'll look it up afterwards. [1:29:55] My understanding is one, this is incredibly rare. [1:29:56] Two, I don't even know if the vast majority of Democrats would support this. [1:29:58] Three, I don't know if the vast majority of like choice people would support this. [1:30:01] But the thing is over 90% of Democrats actually don't have to leave. [1:30:04] Democrats actually don't, they are okay with out. [1:30:07] They are okay with there not being any limits on abortion. [1:30:10] If we look at the states, if we look at the states, there's six states, including Washington, D.C., [1:30:14] which is a district that has no restrictions on abortion. [1:30:17] That means that all of those states are Democrat states. [1:30:20] So yes, that side is perpetuating and at least setting a very dangerous precedent that this can happen in those states. [1:30:26] I think the reason why they advocate for no laws in those states, and I would have looked at this a better way to craft a law for it, [1:30:30] but the problem is that if you make it illegal, then if a medical issue does come up, there's a potential roadblock or a hurdle there where a person might die waiting to get some kind of like legal approval or something. [1:30:37] But someone always dies in an abortion. [1:30:39] Someone always dies. [1:30:40] A human being always dies. [1:30:41] With all due respect, this is an insane position. [1:30:43] No, it's not. [1:30:44] I'm not going to take the position that the life of the fetus is going to be prioritized over the life of the mother because you want to make an abortion illegal there in that case. [1:30:51] I don't think you have the right to make the decision. [1:30:52] So it's okay to kill a human being just for any sort of reason. [1:30:55] I think that the mother and I think that the family should be making that decision. [1:30:57] I don't think that the government should be stepping in and saying, [1:30:59] I don't think that the government should allow people to kill people for no reason. [1:31:03] But you're saying that you would turn the woman away for medical treatment because she can't engage in an abortion. [1:31:07] No, that's not what I'm saying. [1:31:08] That's not the claim that I'm making. [1:31:10] What I'm saying is, is that that side is saying that no one supports it, that no laws are giving precedent for third trimester abortions when that's happening. [1:31:19] And even if it is a small number, say it's 1% of all abortions, that's still over 15,000 abortions. [1:31:25] That's three times the amount of kids who die in school shootings, which is a tragedy. [1:31:29] And that's an issue we all need to fix. [1:31:31] That's still a significant amount of people that are dying from abortion. [1:31:34] And no Democrat is acknowledging that. [1:31:36] And I think it should be at least acknowledged. [1:31:38] Okay. [1:31:39] I mean, if Republicans want to put together any type of like pro-choice legislation that they feel like Democrats would support, [1:31:43] I mean, then they can have that conversation, but obviously that's not going to happen. [1:31:46] No, it's not. [1:31:47] Because it's not okay to kill someone. [1:31:48] Because when Democrats are engaging with that conversation with Republicans, [1:31:50] Republicans bring up the third trimester stuff, but you guys don't actually care about third trimester. [1:31:53] Why do we not care? [1:31:54] Your side doesn't. [1:31:55] Because you care about all three trimesters. [1:31:57] Yes. [1:31:58] Exactly. [1:31:59] So you don't want to ban third trimester abortion. [1:32:00] You want to ban all abortion. [1:32:01] Yes, absolutely. [1:32:02] But you hyperfixate on the third trimester abortion as a way to get into the conversation. [1:32:04] No, because it's happening because your side denies that it happens, and it does happen. [1:32:07] Even if they acknowledge that it happened, or even if they banned third trimester abortion, [1:32:09] you guys would still want to get rid of all abortion. [1:32:10] So you're okay with third trimester abortion? [1:32:12] I'm okay. [1:32:13] Okay, pause. [1:32:14] Please return to your seats. [1:32:16] Number one, I'm a MAGA gangster. [1:32:25] I'm outside when it comes to Trump. [1:32:28] Have you ever been to a rally? [1:32:29] Yes. [1:32:30] That's number one. [1:32:31] I don't know if you book smart or if you're really outside, because I'm outside. [1:32:35] I'm outside. [1:32:36] And you basically said, MAGAs thrive off of lies. [1:32:40] First of all, you ever seen a Trump rally? [1:32:43] No. [1:32:44] You don't see all of the unity and love out there? [1:32:45] Nope. [1:32:46] I see things saying like, deported all the immigrants, and I see more MAGA flags than I see American flags. [1:32:50] All right. [1:32:51] Let me ask you this. [1:32:52] You support Black Lives Matter? [1:32:53] Not that much. [1:32:54] Black Lives Matter only when media put it out. [1:32:58] That's number one. [1:32:59] Trump is bringing a lot of unity and love. [1:33:02] You support burning and looting. [1:33:04] That's what you support. [1:33:05] And it tricked me out how you could support someone that just want the world to just go crazy, burning and looting. [1:33:14] And I heard you say something earlier that's crazy. [1:33:16] You said you hate America. [1:33:19] Talk about that. [1:33:20] I don't think I ever said I hate America. [1:33:21] Yes, you did. [1:33:22] When I said I hate America. [1:33:23] And it made me look at you even more. [1:33:25] When did I say I hate America? [1:33:26] In what context? [1:33:27] You said it earlier. [1:33:28] I don't think so. [1:33:29] You said I hate America. [1:33:30] I think I said that I like America. [1:33:32] I like America. [1:33:33] I don't think MAGA people like America. [1:33:35] I don't think you guys have any idea what it means to be American. [1:33:38] I don't think you know what American values are. [1:33:40] I don't think you know what this country was founded or built upon. [1:33:42] And I think you guys are obsessed with a cult leader who is taking the entire Republican Party off of a cliff. [1:33:46] Everything he say, he do. [1:33:48] Trump is gangster. [1:33:49] Remember me. [1:33:50] Can you give me one thing you don't like about Trump? [1:33:51] What I don't like about him, I love everything about Trump. [1:33:54] I know, because it's a cult. [1:33:55] Thank you. [1:33:56] It's not a cult. [1:33:57] No, it's not a cult. [1:33:58] That's a cult. [1:33:59] Everything is a cult if you want to think about it. [1:34:01] Okay. [1:34:02] Everything is a cult. [1:34:04] To somebody in a cult, that's probably true. [1:34:06] Yeah. [1:34:07] Someone that's representing and Kamala, Kumala, whatever her name is, she out of here. [1:34:12] Trump 2024. [1:34:13] All right. [1:34:14] Let's go. [1:34:25] Hi. [1:34:26] Jenny, nice to meet you. [1:34:27] Nice to meet you. [1:34:28] So you think that people that support Trump are in a cult. [1:34:32] Why is that? [1:34:33] I feel like Donald Trump is basically untouchable. [1:34:35] He can do no wrong. [1:34:36] The entire conservative party is basically centered around Donald Trump. [1:34:39] Any person that goes against Donald Trump, it can be so many people. [1:34:43] Everybody still looks at all of those people around him as being the fault and never Donald Trump. [1:34:47] When Donald Trump was in office, it was because of the swamp. [1:34:49] When people like Barr turned against him, it was because he was a rhino. [1:34:52] When people like McCarthy didn't carry his brain away, it's because he's a rhino. [1:34:55] People like, it's this labeling of every single person around that says he's a bad guy as, [1:34:59] oh, those people are rhinos and Trump is great and Trump can do no wrong, basically. [1:35:02] I think that's false. [1:35:04] I don't think Trump is a perfect human being. [1:35:06] I think anybody out here that's voting for Trump knows that he is not innocent. [1:35:11] No top businessman, no top politician got to the top without getting their hands dirty. [1:35:16] I think what we're all voting for is based on his policies. [1:35:19] I think he prioritizes the economy. [1:35:21] I think he stands for women's rights. [1:35:23] And that is something that's very, very important to me. [1:35:26] Do you think that Trump likes women? [1:35:28] Do you think he respects them at all? [1:35:29] Yeah, Trump loves women. [1:35:30] I don't know if he respects them. [1:35:32] Really? You don't think so? [1:35:34] No. [1:35:35] Why not? [1:35:36] I think the types of statements alone that he makes about women, I think, call that into question. [1:35:40] But you said earlier that people support Trump because of his policies. [1:35:44] I don't think that's true because I don't even know what policies of Trump, [1:35:47] that nobody even talks about them. [1:35:49] Oh, really? [1:35:50] He posted on his Twitter, he posted that of like 20 promises he's going to make to America. [1:35:55] He's going to make trans women competing in women's sports illegal. [1:35:59] I think that is something that needs to be said, that he does support women in that. [1:36:04] Are these things that we, are these like the most important issues to you? [1:36:07] I think so. [1:36:08] Okay. [1:36:09] I am a woman after all. [1:36:10] At least I know I am. [1:36:11] You're competing a lot of NCAA or whatever athletic events. [1:36:14] I attended San Jose State, I graduated from there. [1:36:17] You do realize that there is a transgender person that's on that volleyball team [1:36:21] and nobody on that team was told that there was a transgender woman on there? [1:36:25] I just, I didn't know this was the largest issue in the election for you. [1:36:27] It just seems like a pretty minor thing altogether. [1:36:29] I think women's rights in general is a big thing. [1:36:31] Okay, but not the right to an abortion. [1:36:33] So you talk about misinformation, but you've given us a ton of misinformation right now. [1:36:45] You said, seems like nobody in MAGA even wants to talk about any of the issues of Donald Trump, [1:36:49] had multiple debaters come up, talked to you about multiple economic policies, [1:36:52] compare and contrast them with Kamala, gave you great reason. [1:36:55] I don't think I heard any economic policy from Trump when he was in four years. [1:36:58] Okay, okay. [1:36:59] No, no, back up. [1:37:00] Now you're switching the claim. [1:37:01] So what you just claimed is, I don't hear MAGA people talk about this at all. [1:37:04] I don't think I heard any policies that were brought up. [1:37:05] That's what you said. [1:37:06] And yes, they did. [1:37:07] They brought up, they brought up the capital gains policies. [1:37:10] They also brought up, they also brought up tariffs. [1:37:13] They brought up the tariff policies. [1:37:14] They brought up multiple economic policies. [1:37:16] Total mis-info. [1:37:17] Okay. [1:37:18] Total mis-info for you to say they didn't. [1:37:20] They absolutely did. [1:37:21] Are you disputing that nobody here brought up any policies of Donald Trump? [1:37:23] I think that when you're talking policies from somebody, [1:37:25] if the only thing you have are tariffs, it's not really a strong policy foundation. [1:37:29] I'm sorry. [1:37:30] I'm sorry. [1:37:31] Did you use the word any? [1:37:32] You don't hear anybody talk about that? [1:37:33] He's speaking like a human being right now. [1:37:35] Oh, but when Donald Trump speaks like a human being, he's a liar. [1:37:38] Donald Trump doesn't speak like a human being. [1:37:39] He's a moron. [1:37:40] I'm sorry, but Donald Trump speaks like an idiot. [1:37:42] So would you say it's misinformation, for instance? [1:37:44] Is it misinformation when you say that a firefighter who got murdered at a rally, [1:37:50] when you laugh at that and you say that that's totally fine, are you spreading misinformation? [1:37:54] I don't know if I said that's totally fine. [1:37:55] I think I said I don't really have any sympathy. [1:37:57] No, no, you didn't. [1:37:58] You laughed about it. [1:37:59] You thought it was funny. [1:38:00] You didn't give a shit. [1:38:01] You were under fire on Twitter for it for weeks until you finally backed away. [1:38:04] I haven't backed away from any of those statements. [1:38:06] You haven't backed away from any of them? [1:38:08] No, not at all. [1:38:09] You don't care that guy died, right? [1:38:10] Yeah. [1:38:11] Yeah. [1:38:12] You don't care. [1:38:13] When this side is involved in some of the most violent devices. [1:38:15] Here's a question. [1:38:16] Do you care about misinfo? [1:38:17] Here's a question. [1:38:18] That has nothing to do with misinfo. [1:38:19] Here's a question. [1:38:20] Wait, wait, wait. [1:38:21] Do you disavow any of the rhetoric about Paul Pelosi? [1:38:22] Do you disavow any of the rhetoric about Paul Pelosi? [1:38:24] What? [1:38:25] Even if I made any outrageous claim possible, it has nothing to do with your claim, [1:38:28] which is what we're talking about. [1:38:29] Do you disavow any of that? [1:38:30] We're talking about your claim. [1:38:31] Stop switching. [1:38:32] He doesn't. [1:38:33] Of course not. [1:38:34] He doesn't acknowledge what happened on January 6. [1:38:35] He doesn't acknowledge people are turning away FEMA right now because they're convinced [1:38:38] that the federal government is going to take their houses. [1:38:40] Stop spurging. [1:38:41] Stop spurging. [1:38:42] Stop spurging. [1:38:43] Stop spurging over and over again. [1:38:44] I'm not here to talk about my tweets, but if that's what you really want to talk about, [1:38:47] you do it. [1:38:48] I've tweeted crazier shit than that. [1:38:49] I promise. [1:38:50] Are you going to acknowledge that you said totally fine? [1:38:52] You didn't care. [1:38:53] You just said right now you don't care. [1:38:54] You can look at all my tweets. [1:38:55] How is it? [1:38:56] Now, let me explain how it's- [1:38:57] What does it have to do with misinformation? [1:38:58] I'm going to explain how it's misinformation. [1:38:59] Okay. [1:39:00] Because don't you think that if you make claims like Donald Trump is un-American, [1:39:03] Donald Trump doesn't like the constitution, and then you have an assassin come, [1:39:06] he tries to kill Donald J. Trump at a rally, another American dies. [1:39:10] Aren't you spreading misinformation by saying to people, this is okay? [1:39:14] Isn't that un-American? [1:39:15] I don't think I've ever said this is okay. [1:39:16] Isn't it un-American? [1:39:17] I've said over and over again that there shouldn't be any political violence in the United States. [1:39:20] It's not good. [1:39:21] That's great. [1:39:22] You can laugh. [1:39:23] You guys are the ones that support it. [1:39:24] Donald Trump said that at January 6th. [1:39:25] He said it during January 6th. [1:39:26] After he sat and watched it happen for three hours. [1:39:28] After the guy died, now you're sorry about your rhetoric. [1:39:30] Who said I was sorry? [1:39:31] Yeah, you're not sorry. [1:39:32] Exactly. [1:39:33] Please stop projecting onto me. [1:39:34] I never said I was sorry about anything. [1:39:35] I have not said that. [1:39:36] Yeah, unlike you, I have a spine over the things that I say, okay? [1:39:38] Okay. [1:39:39] Number one. [1:39:40] Number two, Donald Trump and your side are the ones that have engaged in divisive rhetoric for years. [1:39:42] This idea that saying Donald Trump is un-American when Donald Trump himself says that he'd be a day one dictator- [1:39:46] Divisive rhetoric is fine. [1:39:47] That he would suspend the constitution. [1:39:48] I'm sorry, if the divisive rhetoric could be quoting Donald Trump against- [1:39:50] There's a difference between divisive rhetoric and assassinating the guy. [1:39:52] That's Donald Trump's problem. [1:39:54] Your rhetoric has led to assassination attempts and one of the guys who died there, you don't even give a shit. [1:39:59] And I've said this multiple times. [1:40:01] And at the same time, you're like, oh, I love America. [1:40:03] What kind of bullshit is this, Destiny? [1:40:05] Unbelievable. [1:40:06] Yeah. [1:40:07] Yeah, it's unbelievable. [1:40:08] When you guys start taking accountability for some of the crazy things that you say, come and talk to me, okay? [1:40:11] Come and talk to me. [1:40:12] Okay, so we're going to do a five-minute extension. [1:40:17] All right, I want to go back to kind of your original claim, which- [1:40:27] Disinformation. [1:40:28] Well, can you restate your original claim? [1:40:31] I think MAGA thrives on disinformation. [1:40:32] They are in a totally different reality now than they ever have been. [1:40:35] So that actually wasn't your original claim. [1:40:37] Your original claim was that- [1:40:38] The MAGA movement wouldn't exist without the amount of disinformation. [1:40:40] Yeah, something like that. [1:40:41] Right. [1:40:42] Okay. [1:40:43] So how can you possibly know that? [1:40:44] Why? [1:40:46] I can't know- [1:40:47] How all possible worlds if they wouldn't- [1:40:48] Right, exactly. [1:40:49] So right off the bat, your initial claim is false. [1:40:51] Okay. [1:40:52] Well, if this was a Philosophy 101 class, then you've completely and totally debunked me, sir. [1:40:56] Yeah. [1:40:58] Wow. [1:40:59] Great. [1:41:01] Debunked. [1:41:02] Great, great. [1:41:03] Well, so great. [1:41:04] Your initial claim is false. [1:41:05] Glad you can admit that. [1:41:06] Now, you want to go to the disinformation topic. [1:41:09] Well, one, I think a lot of the rhetoric that you're spewing is very divisive for our nation, [1:41:17] because a lot of the times you're assuming people's intentions on these things, right? [1:41:22] You're assuming that people are purposefully ignorant when you're in no position to actually [1:41:29] know something like that. [1:41:30] I don't know if people are purposely ignorant or not. [1:41:32] I actually, unironically, I hold the individuals a lot less accountable than I do the content [1:41:35] creators. [1:41:36] Well, but you don't talk to people like that. [1:41:37] Well, I usually am talking to content creators. [1:41:39] Even most of the people in here, I think, are like on TikTok or something else. [1:41:42] A lot of these, I've seen a lot of these faces. [1:41:43] Okay. [1:41:44] So that's an assumption without any evidence. [1:41:46] Hold on. [1:41:47] Are you saying that I'm assuming without evidence that most of the people that I talk to tend [1:41:50] to be like content creators? [1:41:51] No, no, no. [1:41:52] Most of the people in this room, that's what you're assuming. [1:41:54] Okay. [1:41:55] Um, so, so anyways, uh, again, you're, you're assuming the intentions of these people and [1:42:00] that's, and that's not true. [1:42:01] You're assuming that we're part of this MAGA cult, which is not true at all. [1:42:05] I mean, the guy here earlier literally said that Trump- [1:42:07] Well, okay. [1:42:08] Okay. [1:42:09] Maybe, maybe some, some people, right? [1:42:11] And I don't believe that Trump can do no wrong. [1:42:13] And I think most Republicans believe that, right? [1:42:15] I'm disgusted by some of his personal behavior. [1:42:17] I think his stance is on abortion. [1:42:18] Uh, he's gone way too far left. [1:42:19] Okay, pause. [1:42:20] You've been voted out by the majority. [1:42:21] Hey, well, uh, your original claim was false. [1:42:22] So that's great to hear. [1:42:23] So, um, you know, you made the claim that MAGA wouldn't exist or make America wouldn't [1:42:41] exist without misinformation. [1:42:42] All the misinformation. [1:42:43] Yeah. [1:42:44] Um, obviously not a true statement. [1:42:45] I think you just admitted that. [1:42:46] Oh, I mean, likely they would. [1:42:47] I can't prove that 100%. [1:42:48] Okay. [1:42:49] And I mean, and this started way back during the Reagan years. [1:42:51] So, you know, that- [1:42:52] I think it's accelerated a lot with social media and it's accelerated a lot under Trump [1:42:55] and MAGA. [1:42:56] Okay. [1:42:57] Because Trump is the first guy that just lies with impunity and there's no accountability [1:42:58] on the conservative side when he does. [1:42:59] Okay. [1:43:00] So, speaking of people who, you know, who believe in MAGA, you know, it seems like based off [1:43:04] of the rhetoric that you have said, you know, all of the people in here and the thousands, [1:43:09] the millions of people who are kind of fall under that umbrella of, you know, believing [1:43:14] in make America great again, you know, you act like you were some cult and we're, you know, [1:43:19] some evil people. [1:43:20] All of us are human. [1:43:21] Every person in this room- [1:43:22] I mean, asylum seekers are human, illegal immigrants are human, but you guys talk about [1:43:25] deporting- [1:43:26] Can you stop interrupting me? [1:43:27] I'm talking. [1:43:28] I'm talking. [1:43:29] I'm talking. [1:43:30] I don't really care. [1:43:31] I'm talking. [1:43:32] Okay. [1:43:33] So am I. [1:43:34] Let's be respectful. [1:43:35] I don't have to be. [1:43:36] So everyone here in this room is human and people who are make America great again and [1:43:37] who go to these Trump rallies, love each other and love other people and love humans [1:43:41] and want to, you know, they want to see the betterment of society and betterment of everybody [1:43:45] in this country. [1:43:46] Everybody in this country. [1:43:47] Return to your seats. [1:43:48] What's up, Steven? [1:43:56] Okay. [1:43:57] So again, I think that the misinformation is far more rampant on your side. [1:44:01] Kamala Harris's entire- [1:44:02] What are like three big misinformation? [1:44:03] Okay. [1:44:04] Project 225. [1:44:05] Huge misinformation. [1:44:06] Not Trump's plan. [1:44:07] What's the misinformation? [1:44:08] Trump's Vance probably supports it. [1:44:09] I think Trump broadly supports- [1:44:10] Is Trump Vance? [1:44:11] Vance? [1:44:12] Yeah. [1:44:13] That's fine. [1:44:14] Yeah. [1:44:15] Okay. [1:44:16] Can VPs and presidents disagree with each other? [1:44:17] I guess. [1:44:18] Pence and him disagree quite a bit, I guess. [1:44:19] Okay, great. [1:44:20] That's fine. [1:44:21] Okay. [1:44:22] And there have been plenty of examples of this past, like McKinley and Roosevelt disagreed [1:44:24] staunchly. [1:44:25] Okay. [1:44:26] So this is not rare. [1:44:27] Project 2025 is Kamala Harris's primary talking point, and it is not Trump's agenda. [1:44:31] Trump has his own agenda published on his website, agenda 47. [1:44:33] There are some overlaps there. [1:44:34] He agrees with some things in that project, but not all of them. [1:44:38] The primary one being, again, Kamala Harris's biggest talking point, which is that Trump is going [1:44:41] to institute a national abortion ban, which he has publicly disavowed. [1:44:44] Well, I think the problem was for a long time. [1:44:47] I don't think he would say no to that, although I think he has said that he wouldn't vote on it. [1:44:50] Over and over again, he said no. [1:44:51] I've heard him go back and forth on it. [1:44:53] Personally, I don't like the project 2025 talking point. [1:44:55] I think it's kind of cringe. [1:44:56] I don't know if Trump- [1:44:57] Do you think it's misinformation? [1:44:58] Would I go as far as to call it misinformation? [1:44:59] I'm not sure. [1:45:00] Why? [1:45:01] But even if I would call it misinformation- [1:45:02] Why wouldn't you call it misinformation, Dustin? [1:45:03] Because it's written by a conservative think tank. [1:45:04] Okay, so what? [1:45:05] Who cares? [1:45:06] So what? [1:45:07] I think that even if I were to grant that as to be misinformation, it's nowhere near on the level of Haitians are eating cats and dogs. [1:45:12] Okay. [1:45:13] Do you think that- [1:45:14] I actually argue totally the opposite, right? [1:45:17] I think that it definitely is on that level, considering she's prescribing Trump's entire policy platform, trying to claim that Trump's entire policy platform is something that it isn't. [1:45:24] And there are lots of things that Republicans disagree in that policy platform. [1:45:27] Donald Trump, if he wanted- [1:45:28] And it's a lie. [1:45:29] And if Donald Trump wanted to fight against it, maybe he could just have a policy platform. [1:45:31] He does have a policy platform. [1:45:32] He doesn't have policy. [1:45:33] Agenda 47, it's on his website. [1:45:34] Yeah, I've read it. [1:45:35] Look, it's things like we're going to bring down the interest rates. [1:45:37] He can't even do that as president. [1:45:38] That's the same thing with Kamala Harris' policy platform. [1:45:39] No, she can't bring down the interest rates. [1:45:40] Her entire section on housing is four paragraphs, Dustin. [1:45:42] Yeah, but she can't bring down interest rates. [1:45:44] At the very least, there's some solid stuff there, even if I think it's a little bit too far left for me. [1:45:46] Sure, but are you saying there's no policy proposals at all? [1:45:48] I'm saying that Donald Trump- [1:45:49] When Donald Trump speaks, he doesn't talk policy ever. [1:45:50] It's more fleshed out than her plan, for sure. [1:45:52] No, I don't think so. [1:45:53] Okay. [1:45:54] Her entire housing section is four paragraphs, and one of them- [1:45:56] I would hardly count as a paragraph. [1:45:57] I think it's one paragraph. [1:45:58] All right, guys. [1:45:59] Four times better. [1:46:01] Okay. [1:46:02] Please return to your seat. [1:46:04] Yeah. [1:46:11] Um... [1:46:12] Actually, you know what? [1:46:13] This one, right over here. [1:46:15] Yeah! [1:46:19] I chose you because you'll break my heart the most. [1:46:24] Because you sound somewhat reasonable and intelligent, but you just say the craziest things, and yeah. [1:46:28] So, now I'm just going to try to figure out for ten minutes if you really believe it, [1:46:31] or if you're hardcore just carrying water for some political side. [1:46:34] So, Steven, my claim is that President Biden should pardon President Trump. [1:46:38] No matter who wins the election, President Biden ran on unity when he came and gave that inauguration speech on January 20th, 2021. [1:46:46] He wanted to unify the country. [1:46:48] The best way for President Biden to leave office is to pardon President Trump, [1:46:53] and to try to bring the country together. [1:46:56] I think as a MAGA movement, 75 million people may look at Biden and say, [1:47:00] look, we have our political disagreements with this guy. [1:47:02] But the fact that he pardoned Trump, much like Gerald Ford did, [1:47:05] much like there's examples in our country of folks reaching across the aisle and doing. [1:47:08] At that point, I think you could probably argue that Trump has the authority to pardon himself. [1:47:13] Largely, these cases will drop if he doesn't win the election. [1:47:16] But I think it would be a very powerful signal for the unity of the country for President Biden to pardon him. [1:47:22] I think there are at least three really good reasons why that should absolutely never happen. [1:47:26] OK. So the first one is Donald Trump doesn't need to be pardoned because the Supreme Court's already said that the president can enjoy full and absolute criminal immunity when he's doing his job. [1:47:37] So if he's already gotten that carve out from the Supreme Court, [1:47:40] why should he need any more help to be pardoned for any other types of crimes unless we're saying that he did crimes that weren't even part of the job of being the president? [1:47:47] I would say that's the first one. Do you want to do the other two? [1:47:50] The other two. The second one is I think that Donald Trump has done abhorrent things in the abusive office that I think he absolutely should be accountable for. [1:47:59] I think that he should answer for these things. I think it's destructive to lead this idea that you can act above the law and get away with it. [1:48:05] And I think for the third point, the idea that Democrats have to be the ones that continue to come to the table and be like, OK, we're going to do this or OK, we're going to try to heal and OK, we're going to do unity. [1:48:14] When you've got Biden up here, you know, saying, like, I'm going to be a president for everybody, I'm going to do unity. [1:48:18] And then Donald Trump is saying things like immigrants are the poison to the lifeblood of this nation, like crazy stuff like this. [1:48:23] Like the the back and forth of conservatives being unhinged and Democrats having to, like, apologize for behavior. [1:48:29] I don't like the double standard anymore. I don't think you can exist inside of it. [1:48:31] OK, let's talk about President Biden and the unity claim. You do agree that he ran on the platform of unity. [1:48:35] Absolutely. [1:48:36] We can both agree on that. Right, Stephen? [1:48:38] Yeah. [1:48:39] When he called MAGA Republicans a threat to democracy, was that a sign of unity? [1:48:43] That speech absolutely is. [1:48:45] Really? [1:48:46] Yes. [1:48:47] Why so? [1:48:48] If you read the whole speech, he says over and over again, in a totally pointless manner because, and I'm aware, because I'm part of the TikTok culture as well. [1:48:54] He said over and over again, not even most Republicans are MAGA Republicans. [1:48:58] When he said MAGA Republicans, he was talking about the subsection of people that deny the results of the last election, that don't even believe in things like institutions or peaceful transfers of power or the country operating as like a cohesive unit. [1:49:10] He spells out over and over again that he's not talking about all conservatives, but people just clip that one line and then the picture with the red behind him and say, oh, my God, look at what he was saying. [1:49:17] As a matter of fact, though, 72% of Republicans believe that there were serious issues in the 2020 election just as a matter of empirical fact. [1:49:24] Yeah, but why do they believe that? [1:49:25] Well, but just as a matter of empirical fact. [1:49:27] So you've got 70% of 75 million people believe that you are still making a very wide and sweeping statement about working class Americans, black, white, Hispanic Americans saying that they're a threat to democracy. [1:49:40] I don't know if all of them necessarily don't believe like hardcore that there was like voter rigging as opposed to the media was biased or something because Trump kind of used to dance around those claims. [1:49:49] Sure. [1:49:50] But for as much as people believe that there were issues with the election, it's because Donald Trump told them that's it. [1:49:54] Like and a lot of the lies that started out in the Trump camp, we know now were completely and wholly fabricate. [1:49:59] Everything having to do that State Farm video was a total lie from the very beginning. [1:50:02] Everything having to do with Dominion voting machines was a total lie from the very beginning. [1:50:05] There are so many of these claims that when you look at the very the genesis of them, they were either fabricated or were maliciously constructed. [1:50:11] But doesn't President Biden have an obligation to be a president for all Americans, even those who vehemently disagree with him? [1:50:17] When you say vehemently disagree, yes. [1:50:21] But for people that don't believe in the results of the election, this is the issue is that conservatives have pushed the boundaries of what you can tolerate in a society that can function together. [1:50:32] Right. If a conservative wants to come out and say, I think that we need small government and I don't believe in the government providing all this relief and all this or whatever. [1:50:40] And I think we should have small government or whatever. OK, I disagree with that. That's fine. Whatever. We can still exist together and we can argue. OK. [1:50:45] But when people are saying I'm I'm not there was a phone call into a radio show where the guy's talking about his father in law is turning away FEMA because he thinks that FEMA is going to steal his house. [1:50:55] That's we're breaking down institutions to a point to where we can't function. We need institutions as much as we might have and we need them to function. [1:51:02] And conservatives spend every breath undermining them. And that is becoming dysfunctional. I don't know what you're supposed to do in that circumstance. [1:51:09] Well, I think what you can do is and I'm not saying this isn't without risk. There's certainly some negative optics to it. [1:51:14] But I would say that that gesture, I'll tell you, you take away the ammunition from one side if you say I'm going to extend the olive branch. [1:51:24] And by the way, even if it's purely ceremonial and symbolic, even if the president can end up pardoning himself, even if President Trump wins, then the question becomes, why doesn't Biden do that as a symbol of genuine unity, genuine unity? [1:51:40] I don't think I don't think there is an olive branch that would be accepted. I don't I don't think anybody would see it as any type of I think that arguably I've seen back and forth on this that Merrick Garland probably dragged his feet on prosecuting Trump and in appointing Jack Smith and in all the charges that were filed. [1:51:57] And that that was a massive mistake that he shouldn't have waited on that, that that should have been something he moved much quicker on. [1:52:01] But because of this obsession with liberals and the media to appear unbiased and to be nice to both sides and to treat both sides equally, even when, in my opinion, obviously, one side is acting far more right. [1:52:09] It's destroying the country. We talked about Israel, Palestine earlier. We can talk about like children in the store when somebody is acting inappropriately or they're acting out of line or they're behaving in a way that is unsustainable. [1:52:21] That behavior has to be brought in line somehow. You cannot run a ship when when half the people are trying to row in the other direction. [1:52:28] And right now, conservatives are undermining every single facet of this country. And I don't know how we're supposed to function in that environment. Right. [1:52:35] Where we say like, OK, well, we're going to go ahead and pardon Trump. What if we pardon Trump and then he just commits more crimes? [1:52:39] Or what if we pardon Trump and then the next Republican president goes, well, I can probably get away with it because they're going to cuck out for unity in the end. [1:52:44] So it'll be great. Right. What do you do with that point? [1:52:46] I disagree with you on conservatives threatening the country. I would even say that Democrats don't threaten the country. [1:52:53] I think most Americans want a secure border on economy that works for everybody. Good education. [1:52:58] To your point about, you know, quibbles over tax policy and regulation. Do you believe that a supporter of the deportation of illegal migrants falls into that category of a radical conservative? [1:53:10] I think that's a radical position, but I don't think that's like a beyond the pale position. [1:53:14] I think it's done for a variety of reasons, but no, I don't think it's beyond the pale. [1:53:16] Right. And I mean, look, Axios Ipsos found this in April that 55 percent of Americans, not just conservatives, Americans support the mass deportation of illegal migrants. [1:53:25] 46 percent of Democrats do. Why do you think that is when you look at places like Chicago and New York? Why long time Democrats? [1:53:31] I think it can be for a variety of reasons. But again, this isn't an issue. It's like the minimum wage. [1:53:34] I think that we probably need a minimum wage, but I don't think that agreeing or disagreeing on this makes you un-American. [1:53:38] Same thing with like abortion, which is way more charged. I don't think it makes you un-American. [1:53:41] Things like immunity for crimes for the president, that's a deeply un-American value that the president can't be charged with criminal behavior, even in the role of his job. [1:53:49] In my opinion, that's deeply un-American, the undermining of all the institutions that America should have no role as like a world leader. [1:53:55] That the way that we look at immigrants as enemies or that we don't want to trade with anybody because we, you just want to, that these things are not, I wouldn't say the trade thing. [1:54:04] I would say that like the immunity thing are a really big one. The idea of America needing to recede from the world is a big one. [1:54:09] The idea of like the weaponizing of all of the DOJ that Trump wants to do. These are things that deeply concern me. [1:54:14] Talking about terminating the constitution and all of these things. Yeah. [1:54:17] So we can, we can have our disagreements. There's a lot there we could pick up. We've only got a couple minutes left. [1:54:22] But you are an American. I'm an American. I believe that you love this country. [1:54:29] I believe that you want the best for this country, the best for your family. [1:54:32] Donald Trump wins on November 5th. Genuinely, genuinely. [1:54:39] What is one piece of advice you give him? [1:54:42] If Donald Trump wins, what is one piece of advice that you give him? [1:54:47] Donald Trump, after he's gone, will have family members that remain in this world that carry his name through the world. [1:54:53] He will have a legacy. He'll have a reputation. [1:54:55] And that the way that he acts in his last four years as president will be remembered for the rest of history, for as long as America continues to exist. [1:55:04] And that he has an opportunity in his second term at least to right some of the wrongs of the first term or to prove people like me wrong at least when I said that the United States would become an authoritarian hellhole or whatever else. [1:55:15] That he has an opportunity to prove people like me wrong. And I hope that he would take advantage of that. [1:55:19] I think that'd be great. I think that would be great for the country, to tell you the truth. [1:55:23] Is there is there one policy, one position that you agree with Donald Trump on even even remotely? [1:55:31] The problem is I just don't like his thought process. [1:55:34] So there are going to be things that we agree on, but like we're going to agree on them for totally different reasons. [1:55:39] What's an example of that? [1:55:40] Like in general, I'm not as big on like DEI or affirmative action type stuff. [1:55:45] I think for a variety of reasons has a lot of different issues. [1:55:48] I think that having a secure border is really important. [1:55:51] Arguably one of the most important things about having a country is having a border. [1:55:55] I think the Democrats like broadly agree that as well. [1:55:57] I think that, yeah, I could probably find other things, but like our agreements are going to be very roundabout. [1:56:03] We're not, we're not getting here the same way, but I think the creation of the Space Force was good. [1:56:07] I obviously, all the conservatives hate it, but I thought warp speed was a tremendous achievement of capitalism, of pharmaceuticals, of the United States and U.S. leadership. [1:56:16] Yeah, no, you're right. I mean, I think the big picture though. [1:56:19] And can we just give, can we give him a round of applause? [1:56:22] No, I don't want a round of applause. [1:56:28] I'm a big believer, Steven, that when we come together as a country and have conversations, difficult conversations like this, [1:56:35] we may not walk away saying, well, I agree with Steven or I agree with James or I agree with any of the folks here, [1:56:40] but you walk away saying that's a person, that's an American. [1:56:43] We can disagree agreeably. And I might understand for just a moment their perspectives. [1:56:49] I want to thank you for being here. I think that the biggest thing for the country going forward in a, in a sense is how do we have more debate? [1:56:57] Not less more disagreement, not less. [1:57:00] Unfortunately, I totally disagree with you. I was there a while ago. [1:57:03] Um, it's not enough to just have conversations anymore. [1:57:05] I think we have to start taking steps in an actual direction. [1:57:08] I think we're right now, we are talking ourselves off a ledge. [1:57:10] And I noticed a lot of times when I have challenging conversations with people, [1:57:13] I get all of these comments that pop up, whether it's me talking to Peterson, Shapiro, Owens of like, what a great civil conversation. [1:57:18] But at the end of the day, nobody's mind comes away changed and everybody still feels the same way. [1:57:21] And we're still accelerating off of each other faster than we ever have been before. [1:57:24] But at least we're having good conversations on the way down to the base of the cliff, I guess. [1:57:28] Well, let me end. [1:57:29] This is a start. [1:57:30] Let me end on a bipartisan note, Steven. [1:57:33] Let's not just make debate great again. Let's build it back better. [1:57:36] Okay. [1:57:38] Thanks, man. [1:57:44] I think I did about as well as I could have. [1:57:46] I mean, there's always more like itty bitty pieces of factual information that I could have, [1:57:49] but it's hard to keep track of everything. [1:57:51] But yeah, I think it was okay. [1:57:53] Maybe I could have been meaner to some people, but I'm okay. [1:57:56] I think that James did really well. [1:57:57] I think that Destiny himself did really well, too. [1:57:59] I think that Destiny is probably the best debater in the space on either side. [1:58:05] So I think that we did really well against him considering that fact. [1:58:08] I think that debate is important. [1:58:10] I guess kind of counter to what Destiny thinks, even though he's a professional debater. [1:58:14] Part of democracy is talking. [1:58:16] You know, we see these global conflicts in Israel. [1:58:19] What's happening with Russia and Ukraine is because people aren't talking. [1:58:24] I think that the Republican Party today and President Trump, we want peace. [1:58:29] We want to bring people back to the talking table and for people to be civil. [1:58:33] So there were some personal attacks here and there. [1:58:35] But I think for the most part, everybody stayed on the substance of the issue. [1:58:39] There were some heated moments. [1:58:40] That's okay. [1:58:41] But I think we all walked away not necessarily convinced that the other side is right and [1:58:46] we're wrong, but at least we see where the other side is coming from. [1:58:49] And that helps bring this country together. [1:58:51] And that helps bring this country together.