COVERAGE: NY v. Rex Heurermann — Gilgo Beach Serial Killer Sentencing

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: said. All right, let's head out to the courthouse. Ann Jeanette Levy, the host of Crime Fix with Ann Jeanette Levy, was inside the courthouse. All right, set the stage for us. We've heard some reporting out of there. Tell us, talk us through what took place. [00:00:21] Speaker 2: Well, Ted, this was a very intense, very sad sentencing hearing. This was the day that the victims had their chance to talk about their loved ones, their mothers, their daughters, their sisters. And it was very sad. These are young women. These were young women who were murdered for absolutely no reason other than a man decided they were small enough and vulnerable enough to lure them to his house under the pretense that he was going to pay them for sex work and that he could just use them and torture them. This was a sadist who brought these young women to his house and disposed of them like trash after using them for his own psychopathic needs. That is what went on here. And today we heard about how these women, they were beautiful. They were loved. They were human beings. They had wonderful qualities. And a lot of what we heard about these young women was the fact that, or what we heard from the family members was that they feel like their loved ones have been mistreated in the news media, treated just as women who were prostituting themselves. And it was incredibly sad. So I'm going to tell you a little bit more about it here in just a short time, Ted. So I'll [00:01:38] Speaker 1: throw it back to you. Alright. Yeah, we're going to slip on a break. But can't you stay put. We're we want to hear it all. Let's get a break. We'll be back to New York right after this. [00:01:48] Speaker 3: We'll be back to New York right after this. [00:01:50] Speaker ?: We'll be back to New York right after this. We'll be back to New York right after this. We'll be back to New York right after this. We'll be back to New York right after this. 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All right. Pick it up where you left off. And Jeanette, you were painting a great picture. Victims, family members there in force. [00:06:14] Speaker 2: Yes, Ted, all of all of the families, the eight women, were represented by family members in some way, shape or form. And we really heard a lot about these young women who needlessly and senselessly lost their lives at the hands of Rex Hewerman. It was very emotional. And we're going to have that video of the sentencing hearing for you at some point today. So everybody needs to stay tuned for that. Everyone should listen to what these family members had to say about these beautiful women. One thing I do want to tell you about, though, Ted, is the fact that Rex Hewerman was cool to Zeiss. You know, we didn't see the smirk that we saw from him during that plea hearing when he was asked if he was pleading guilty. And, you know, talking about him cooperating with the FBI's behavioral analysis unit. And we would see that kind of smile and that smirk. That was not there today. He looked straight ahead the entire time. At times, his hands were kind of folded. And it kind of almost got -- I got this vibe that, you know, is he just thinking about, like, okay, how long do I have to sit here until I get to go back and have lunch? You know, that's kind of what it looked like to me. Just, like, how long do I have to sit here and listen to this? He didn't look at the victims. The only time he ever looked at an actual victim was when Amanda Barthelemy, the sister of Melissa Barthelemy, who was a teenage girl when her sister was murdered, said, look at me when I talk to you. That's what she said to him. And he kind of looked over because Rex Jureman took Melissa Barthelemy's phone after he murdered her, called Amanda from Midtown Manhattan and taunted her and told her her sister was gone and said things to her that were just absolutely heinous, said awful things to her. And she said, will I ever see my sister again? And he said, you know, some things in response to that. And she said, look at me when I talk to you because, you know, we haven't talked in a long time or something to that effect. And you'll see that later today. Then, when it came time for Rex Jureman to have the opportunity to speak, he stood up at the judge's direct order. He said, stand up. And he said, you know, something like, and this isn't a direct quote, but he said something like, well, you know, my words really wouldn't have any meaning. And then he sat down. The judge was infuriated, infuriated. And he said to him, are you even sorry that you strangled these young women? He was furious. And he's like, you know, kind of like, well, yeah, it was really difficult to hear him. He said, you know, kind of like, well, yeah, I'm sorry. And the judge basically said, you know, you're a coward. You're a small man. It's been discussed about how large you are. But you're a small coward. And he then went on to sentence him. You could tell the judge is like, I'm done with you. We're done with you. Suffolk County is done with you. The prison can have you. And that's it. So it was very intense. And then once the judge was done pronouncing sentence, he basically the judge said to the officers in the room, get him out of here. Get him out of here. He was really angry. Wow. [00:09:28] Speaker ?: I love that. [00:09:29] Speaker 1: The judge articulating what a lot of people I'm sure were thinking had to be very emotional. You're going to see it. Yeah. I look forward to that. And we're also standing by for a possible press conference from the both sides. Maybe. I don't know if Michael Brown will say anything on a day like today. But at least maybe prosecutors will address the microphones, we hope. But looking forward to go ahead real quick. We're going to take a break. But you're say something. [00:09:59] Speaker 2: I do want to let you know. Mike Brown actually spoke up and stood and turned and addressed the victims. And he told them all that their daughters, sisters were beautiful, beautiful women. So I think that that was notable. [00:10:19] Speaker 1: Thank you for that. All right. And Jeanette's going to be with us throughout the day. We'll get a break. Back after this. [00:10:26] Speaker 3: Welcome to CORE TV. Your front row seat to justice. And it keeps going. [00:10:53] Speaker ?: I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. I'm going to be with you. 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We'll go back to George Pino as well. In Los Angeles, a pretrial hearing just getting underway for the singer David, accused of killing and dismembering this young teenage girl, Celeste Rivas, 14-year-old. She was found in the trunk of his Tesla. And in Alaska, testimony resumes this hour in the murder trial for Xerias Hildebrand. He's on trial for the murder of his wife and for covering it up. We'll dip into that as warranted this afternoon. It's a busy day here. Sentencing for Rex Heuerman, the Gilgal Beach serial killer, is over. The architect who commuted from Long Island into Manhattan for his job each day, along with thousands of others, was actually living a double life. He terrorized the Gilgal Beach area for years, murdering women between 1993 and 2010. He wasn't arrested until 2023. In April, he pled guilty to seven murders. But he did admit being responsible for an eighth. There are now people in front of those microphones outside the Suffolk County Courthouse. Let's head there now for Speaker Ray Tierney. [00:16:11] Speaker 4: We'll try to do this without sunglasses, but... You look great. Thank you. I'm trying, I'm trying. [00:16:17] Speaker 5: All right, well listen. [00:16:20] Speaker 4: You know, I think everything that needed to be said was said. Again, all, just all credit and admiration and inspiration goes to those victims' family members. Very tough act to follow when I got up in court. They really said, whoops. They really said everything that needed to be said. And, you know, they're not... You know, that's not what they do for a living. They spoke from the heart. It was incredibly affecting. It was affecting to me. And it was really... You know, they're what this case is about. They're why after 30 years of doing this, I'm an optimist by nature because I don't dwell on what defendants do. I dwell how victims act, how they coalesce together, how they jealously protect the ones they left behind, how they look out for each other, and how they overcome. And, you know, I just want to say... I want to say one thing to, you know, the victims, if I could. I want them to reek their revenge by going on and having great lives. By being happy. By being fulfilled. By being satisfied that they stood by their loved ones and did a wonderful job. And now it's time for them to heal and to go on and realize the tremendous potential that they all have. Because they're absolutely extraordinary people. So that's my greatest wish for this case, is that the victims continue, their journey continue to heal and go on and live the lives that they all deserve. You know, before I turn it over, I just want, again, I want to thank the task force. We've got some of our FBI... You know, I've thanked so many people, and I know I've thanked these individuals, but this is the first time they're here. So we have Special Agent Eric Perry. He's around here somewhere. We have former FBI Special Agent Mike Saybrook. They're phone experts. They've helped us in this case. They're here. And, you know, I just... So many people had a hand in this. So I wanted to especially acknowledge them and their contribution to this case. And, again, you know, I could go on and on and thank people, but I've done that before. So I just... I'm glad... We've been trying to get them here to court, but they're busy working on other things and other cases. So they're not based in New York. So for them to come out, really, really thankful to them. And I look forward to having them meet the victims later. Does anybody have any questions? [00:19:18] Speaker 5: Did you say what Rex Kierman said? You didn't quite hear it. What did you think about what he said? [00:19:23] Speaker 4: I don't care what he says. You know, I said that before. It doesn't matter what he says. What matters is what he did and what he said before he got caught. And, you know, as the victim so eloquently detailed, he didn't have very many good or nice things to do or say before he got caught. But I do believe he said something to the effect of... He acknowledged... I don't know. I'll let the record reflect what he said because I don't really remember what it was. [00:19:50] Speaker 5: Dan Tierney, have we passed the era where serial killers can get away with it for as long as they have given the changes that have taken place in technology and things like that? [00:20:01] Speaker 4: Well, I wish that were true. You know, I think it's gotten more difficult. You know, I think it's gotten more difficult. But, you know, I've been beating this drum and I'm going to beat it one more time. You know, the contribution or the lesson that we should learn from this, that this wasn't one person. You know, this isn't like, you know, and I think sometimes the media likes a simple story so they're like, oh, it was this piece of evidence or this person. That's not what solved this case. What solved this case was, you know, I just mentioned two individuals, highly talented investigators. One of, you know, a legion of really talented investigators in this case from a whole bunch of different agencies. They came together and they have to work through the district attorney's office. And I don't say that because I'm a district attorney. I say that because I know what the district attorney or what any prosecutor's office has, which is the power of subpoena, power to issue search warrants, power to call a grand jury. So you bring all of those talented people. You gather all that evidence and you put it into a grand jury investigation and you get results. So I think that's what we need to get from this. But hopefully we could work towards what you're suggesting. But I don't think we're quite there. But we've certainly getting there and it's getting more and more difficult because as we see in our digital and forensic world, you know, there's a footprint that's left behind. We just have to be able to find it. [00:21:30] Speaker 6: Greg, is this over? Is this case done? [00:21:32] Speaker 4: Well, this particular case, this indictment's done. Work is never over. You know, we mentioned some other, you know, some other victims, you know, in the courtroom today. And, you know, Suffolk County is a large metropolitan area, one point, you know, 1.5 million people. So we've got almost fell in my lap. We've got a lot of, you know, work to do on other cases. We're going to continue to work on those cases. The nice thing about this is all the all the talented people and all the resources we could dedicate it to those other cases. [00:22:06] Speaker 7: Do you believe that Rex Norman may have murdered other people aside from the one she pleaded guilty to and admitted you here in Suffolk County? [00:22:15] Speaker 4: Are you not? You know, I think the poor people that have been around and I've tortured, they know what I'm going to say. I say it doesn't matter what I think. It doesn't matter what I believe. I'm not going to talk about what I think because it's irrelevant. And I think a lot of, again, we need to learn lessons. A lot of prosecutors are very free talking about what they think. [00:22:34] Speaker 7: Do you have evidence suggesting? [00:22:37] Speaker 4: If I had evidence, I'd put it into a grand jury in an indictment and then we'd come and talk about it. Until I have that, I'm not going to talk about it. I respect, you know, I'm not trying to give you a hard time. I respect the question. But that's just the way it has to work for it to work. [00:22:52] Speaker 8: Amanda, can you comment? You're the one that made him look at you. You made an eye contact with this comment on how you felt when you got these words out. That's been growing for years. Can you just step up where I'm just going here to you? Do you want to? If you want to? [00:23:06] Speaker 4: If you want to. [00:23:07] Speaker 9: Just slide over to her. [00:23:08] Speaker 4: No, she knows how to walk. We're just trying to figure out if she wants to do it. [00:23:12] Speaker 9: Do you want to do it? Oh. And any other family members you want to see. I don't know. [00:23:17] Speaker 4: It's up to you. Well, she's going to think about it. Yeah. So why don't we just, if anybody has any more questions for me, we'll turn it over. And I want to thank Ms. Alred for her assistance in this case. And I'm sure, you know, some of the victims and Ms. Alred are going to speak, which is great. And if anyone, you know, wants to speak, obviously they will, but we'll leave that up to them. [00:23:38] Speaker 5: What's happening? What is he leaving? Where is he going? Tell us about that. [00:23:42] Speaker 4: Well, I heard he's going quick. And as I said, you know, Suffolk wants to be rid of him. And so he's going to be going quick. I think he's going to be going by the end of this week. Where is he? Where is he? Where is he? I don't know. I think they, I don't know if he's already been designated. Sometimes he goes straight to the facility. Sometimes he goes to like an interim facility where he's designated. But that's a, that's a state Department of Corrections situation. [00:24:07] Speaker 7: What's going on with Agent Doe? [00:24:09] Speaker 10: Is there any updates on Medford Jane Doe? [00:24:11] Speaker 4: No. But, and it, you know, if there is, it'll be a subject of a separate press conference. [00:24:18] Speaker 11: Thank you. [00:24:19] Speaker 4: Thank you. [00:24:20] Speaker 11: Agent Doe, what's going on there? [00:24:21] Speaker 4: Same thing. You know, you know, obviously we're, the big thing that we want or that we're looking for with Agent Doe is ascertaining, getting that individual's name back, finding out who that person is. And once we do that, you know, you know, it'll give him some dignity and also give us some investigative leads. So we're still working that genetic genealogy, investigative genetic genealogy. I think we're going to go into the city and make some inquiry into the city again. And so hopefully that'll bear some fruit. [00:24:53] Speaker 7: What's the next step if this DNA goes into CODIS? [00:24:56] Speaker 4: So, sure. I'm sorry. So as I think we've been talking about all along, you know, case to case, we could, we could compare DNA samples in this case with other, other investigative samples of other investigations. We've been doing that on, again, on a case to case basis. But once this conviction, now this conviction has occurred that, that DNA protocol will, will go to the FBI and then they'll upload it in CODIS and then, you know, it'll be in the CODIS system and it'll be searchable throughout the country. So that'll happen imminently. [00:25:31] Speaker 12: You said you were using, you said that he was using burn of bones until his arrest. And I remember when he was arrested, he said that he believed that he was following that kind of pattern. He was contacting women on the burn of bones. And I'll say primarily for one reason, one reason only. [00:25:46] Speaker 4: If you saw the burn of bones that he used in the commission of the murders in this case, it was just to communicate with one person. All the burn of bones that we, actively, we saw he was, he was, he was communicating with, with multiple people. [00:26:07] Speaker 6: Ray, is this FBI interview taking place yet? [00:26:10] Speaker 4: We'll leave, we'll let the FBI speak about that. But I, I, you know, I, I do think that while I do hope, I guess I should say that there, that the FBI will gain insight into this individual for the, for the sake of the FBI, of course. And, and, and for the rest of us in law enforcement and across the country. [00:26:28] Speaker 13: So, so the phones that you use on the victims, you haven't recovered those? I'm sorry. I'm sorry. Burn of phones that had like one dedicated victim. [00:26:36] Speaker 4: Yes. So we, so those were disposed of after the commission. Uh, that's the purpose of the burner phone shortly before the commission of the murder. The murders, they were used to lure the victims. Uh, and then once the, the crime was completed, uh, they were disposed of because obviously, if found, they would link, uh, the defendant to the commission of the crime. So he got rid of them. And when you guys. But we, we got, obviously we got the phone records. [00:26:59] Speaker 13: When you arrested him, he had other burn, burner phones on him. He, yes. [00:27:03] Speaker 4: So, so we were able to trace his burner phone usage back to around 2007. Uh, and then we were at, you know, so we, we started from 2007. We worked our way forwards and we, we linked him to burner phone usage all the way up to the, at the time of his arrest. At the time of his arrest, we found one of the burner phones. He was using the physical phone in his pocket. And another one was found at his, uh, at, at the location of his business. [00:27:27] Speaker 12: Have you been able to trace how he met, uh, San Francisco? [00:27:31] Speaker 4: Uh, we, we have information, uh, with, uh, regard to that. Uh, the evidence, uh, shows that, uh, he met her in the city. [00:27:38] Speaker 5: And the same with Karen? Yes. [00:27:42] Speaker 9: Can you elaborate more on what you said in court about him continuing to manipulate his family and sort of enriching themselves through them still? [00:27:49] Speaker 4: I think it's pretty obvious, right? So, uh, I think it, you know, it speaks for itself, you know? And I, and I think that, you know, through the trickle of information, he's, he's tried to give a, a kind of, somebody's breaking into a car. That's against the law. We have a lot of investigators here. Somebody, somebody go do something about that. Um, he, um, uh, you know, he's, he's, uh, by sort of the trickle of information that came out, I think he kind of tried to, to sanitize the information about this case. I think that the victims, uh, gave the unvarnished information and truth about, about, uh, what this defendant is, uh, what he did, uh, and the effect it had. So, you know, I, I was, uh, so, so pleased, uh, and inspired and proud of the victims because they, they really gave a, a great accounting for themselves, uh, for the family members. And it was that, again, that's what this case is about. This is why we care about these cases, first and foremost, because, you know, everyone in life, uh, into a certain extent, is, is, you know, two dimensional, portrayed two dimensional, but there's much more nuance to things. You know, uh, the family members know, know, knew the victims better than anyone and they really better than anyone were able to really tell you what those, what those women were about and, uh, really, really inspirational and effective and important. So, so, so happy, uh, to have been a part of that. [00:29:20] Speaker 5: That's it. Any comments about how it all ended and the judge's comments? [00:29:24] Speaker 4: Uh, you know, I think it was appropriate. Again, you know, I, I should, I should say, uh, about the judge, um, you know, I, I never worked, uh, with, uh, Judge Maisie before as a judge. Uh, so I was a little apprehensive. Uh, you know, I didn't know how it was gonna go, as you always are whenever you, you work a case. Uh, very, uh, strict, no nonsense judge, as you saw, uh, really, but, you know, given the, the complex nature of the case, the, the, the, the volume of the case, really handled, uh, his, uh, the case well, really challenged both myself and the defense. And, uh, you know, just, just really, uh, grateful for, for all the courtesies that he gave both sides and, and, uh, the, the job he did, uh, both him and his staff and the court officers and everyone really did a great job. So, uh, proud of the professionalism here in Suffolk County. Uh, and, you know, the defense, you know, they were, they were great, too, in the, in the sense that, you know, when you have a case like this, uh, there were a lot of opportunities for them, uh, to complain about discovery. And, and, you know, we got together, we communicated and we said, listen, you can complain all you want to the judge about discovery or we can work together and we can make this thing flow and we can help you to have this stuff make sense. And that's what they did. So, uh, there wasn't a lot of, of, of issues that, you know, unless there needed to be issues, there weren't issues. So, uh, grateful to them as well. That's it. Awesome. Thank you. Thank you. Uh, it's, we'll turn that over. [00:30:55] Speaker 1: All right, Suffolk County District Attorney Ray Tierney taking a much deserved victory lap with the victim family members leading the way. We'll get a break. Talk more about what transpired in Suffolk County. Plus, we'll be getting the first video in from the sentencing hearing of Rex Hewerman. Stay with us. Back after this. A Labor Day- A Labor Day- [00:31:14] Speaker ?: A Labor Day- A Labor Day- [00:31:16] Speaker 3: A Labor Day- [00:31:42] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [00:35:12] Speaker 1: And let's head back out to Suffolk County, New York, where people are reacting to the sentencing of Rex Heuerman, a serial killer that admitted to killing eight women dating back to 1993. Let's head out to the microphone bank and listen in to see who's next. [00:35:36] Speaker 14: I just want to say that having been given the opportunity to say what I said today, I feel a lot lighter and I have hope for healing. Thank you. [00:35:48] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. [00:35:48] Speaker 15: Thank you. Thank you. If you want to say it. [00:35:50] Speaker ?: If you want to say it. [00:35:50] Speaker 15: If you want to say it. [00:35:51] Speaker ?: If you want to say it. [00:35:51] Speaker 15: If you want to say it. If you want to say it. If you want to say it. [00:35:55] Speaker 11: Thank you. Elizabeth, I'm Elizabeth, the aunt of Megan Watteman, and I just want to repeat one part of my statement. This is your opportunity to stand with victims families and support the meaningful advancement of bill 86730. So future families do not have to endure the same pain and indignity that we have and countless of victims before us have suffered. [00:36:24] Speaker 16: What did you think of the PTOC documentary? [00:36:28] Speaker 11: Disgusting, disgusting that they made millions of dollars. It's just disgusting. It should never happen again. [00:36:36] Speaker 6: Elizabeth, he seemed remorseless in confronting him in court for you any hurt at all. [00:36:44] Speaker 11: It didn't change me at all, no. [00:36:46] Speaker ?: No. [00:36:47] Speaker 11: No. You don't need to step up. [00:36:52] Speaker 17: That's the bill. [00:36:57] Speaker 11: I'll feel some comfort. [00:37:01] Speaker 18: I just want to thank everyone who spent time on this case, listening to our voices and giving my mom and all these other ladies a chance to have their voices heard. This has been a long day coming and from this day forward, stop saying his name, stop putting his face everywhere, put the girl's face, put their names and make it known that we are the ones who live on for them. Rex will never matter and he is nothing to us and it should be nothing to any of you. [00:37:32] Speaker 15: That's all. Liliana, what did you need to be able to confront him directly in court? [00:37:38] Speaker 18: What did you say, sir? [00:37:39] Speaker 6: He seems so remorseless. What did it mean to you to be able to confront him in court? Did it bring any comfort? [00:37:46] Speaker 18: I wouldn't say comfort, but it's a day that I've been thinking of my whole life. The chance to finally speak up for her, it gives me comfort for her knowing she can finally lay down, rest in peace and he can't hurt anybody else. That's what brings me comfort, not him. [00:38:02] Speaker 17: Thank you. [00:38:04] Speaker 15: Thank you for coming and I'm going to go down now with Elizabeth and Lillian and Nikki and Dylan. Thank you. Everyone's going to hear me say I want Elizabeth to run for public office. Pass the bill. [00:38:27] Speaker 1: Thank you. Thank you. All right, victim family members along with Gloria Allred there, who represented several of the victims in this case, addressing the media after today's hearing, where Rex Heuerman did speak very, um, he was very short. He just said, nothing I say will matter and that set the judge off, uh, who basically lambasted him, called him a small, disgusting person and at the end of it in base, told the bailiffs to get him out of my courtroom, just get him out of here. These are pictures now from the sentencing hearing today. This is when Rex Heuerman stood and faced the judge. According to everybody in there, he was, uh, cold. He didn't have the expressions that he did at the, um, guilt phase hearing where, where he, um, pled out to these murders where he had a couple smirks and he was going back and forth with the judge and seemed pleased with himself for pleading guilty and then having having his case studied by the FBI, um, today, much different. And, uh, cold is what people called him. Our aunt Jeanette Levy, uh, was in the courthouse and, uh, said that that's exactly what she took away from it. Murray Prair is with us. Murray, this is the day for the, for the victims. They had their chance there to address him. Each one of the eight victims that he is admitted to killing did have a representation or had at least one representative on their behalf. A lot of daughters, a lot of sisters. You know, so much time went by that some of the parents passed on without even knowing that justice did come through for their daughter, uh, overall thoughts. [00:40:14] Speaker 19: I think he does belong in prison and should never, ever be allowed to leave. So the sentence was correct. If death was a possibility, I think he would have totally deserved to die for what he did. And I think he was emotionless because he doesn't care about those women. He's a misogynist and he really believes that their lives were worthless. And that's why he showed no emotion. He couldn't show remorse. And really, what could he say to make up for what he did? He is a disgusting low life person who doesn't deserve to live. So just the fact that he's allowed to live without parole is big. Okay, let me just stop right there. [00:41:07] Speaker 1: Good job. Wow. Restraint. Um, the, what about, you know, yes, he didn't care about these women. You can make the argument that society didn't care. The investigators initially tried ish. Um, before this task force was formed in 2000 and 22, 12 years after the final murder. Um, there was very little progress, yet technology had moved along, and once the task force was up and running, he went down. Um, shortly thereafter, there are signs outside the courthouse today, um, basically disciplining the media and all of us collectively for not taking it seriously because these were sex workers. These were people that I think around kitchen tables, people justify that while they put themselves in a, in arena that was very dangerous. And we do that sometimes with, with drug dealers, with other, you know, others as well. We'll get back to that, but I want to head back to the podium. Michael Brown, defense attorney at the bank. [00:42:19] Speaker 10: Well, we discussed the fact that, um, um, you know, really, they were an intricate part from our standpoint of this case coming to fruition in the sense that they kept on the case. Obviously, there were different administrations over the course of this investigation, and I, I sincerely believe that because of their insistence and persistence on this case. Uh, it ultimately, ultimately led to a lot more pressure, a lot more resources being dedicated, and ultimately, ultimately, uh, the arrest of my client. And then I, and then I also added the fact that, uh, you know, going into this, most of us just know what we know from reading in the press. Uh, I've reviewed so many pages of discovery, uh, I really feel like I know these individuals, these victims. And that's what I told the family. I really do think, even though I've never met him, I, I really do feel like I know them and I've met them, uh, and I just wanted to know that, them to know that. [00:43:24] Speaker 5: I, I, I have, quite frankly, I have no idea. [00:43:37] Speaker 10: Um, and I say that because many people, the press and, and other people wanted to know if he was going to speak this morning, uh, up until he spoke, I did not know if he was going to speak. Um, you know, he, he, my recollection is, you can order the record, obviously, my recollection is, is that he apologized, he acknowledged for what that's worth. Um, he acknowledged that his words won't mean much, and I think that's understandable, uh, to the families of the victims. That's in essence what he said. [00:44:11] Speaker 20: Can you speak about what you've come to understand about Rex Jorman over, over, over the last few years? No, I'm the one that has, you've spoken to him more than most? [00:44:20] Speaker 10: No, I, I've spoken to him definitely the most, uh, he's an interesting fella, I'll use that word, I mean, you know, there's definitely two parts of Rex Jorman, uh, I wasn't there on any of these murders, but I've seen the discovery, I've seen the evidence, and obviously he's admitted, uh, his involvement in, to, to these crimes, so I haven't seen that Rex Jorman personally. I've only seen the Rex Jorman personally over the last three years, he, he, he comes across to me, and I think many other people, as a normal everyday person. That clearly isn't the case, uh, because normal everyday people don't murder eight, eight women, uh, so there's a real dichotomy, uh, and this is really, in my career, since 1992, it's really the first time I've seen that type of dichotomy in, in, in a client. [00:45:15] Speaker 7: How did, uh, how did, uh, how did that, uh, agreement between who you participated with the FBI's behavioral analysis unit come about, was that something the prosecution insisted upon, or, tell me about how that, yeah, I, I can't, unfortunately, I am prohibited from getting into many of the details on that, I will indicate, as I did at the time of the plea, [00:45:37] Speaker 10: the, one of the requirements is for him to participate with the behavioral science unit of the, of the FBI, and the assurance in exchange was that there will be no additional prosecutions on these eight particular victims. [00:45:52] Speaker 8: Mr. Brown, we've now heard what the DA has to say about him personally. Why are you yelling at him? Sorry. [00:45:57] Speaker 9: We've heard what the DA has to say about him, what the judge has to say about him personally. What do you have to say about him personally? [00:46:04] Speaker 10: Well, we just discussed that earlier. Um, I, I'm not going to say any derogatory comments about a client. Right, that wouldn't be ethical. As I indicated, I've seen, I've seen, there's two parts of Rex Eurman. The one part of Rex Eurman is what we all know about now, and I, unfortunately, or fortunately, you haven't seen the graphics that I've seen in terms of the discovery review. Um, these acts were horrific, and that's really not, that's really not giving it its due credit. They were horrific. That's the Rex Eurman that is responsible for the eight murders. The person that I've been dealing with from the inception, July of 2023, is as normal as they come when I'm talking to him and having conversations. So, that's what I can tell you, and that's where I reiterated, uh, the, that, that, really, the dichotomy, uh, between these two personalities. [00:47:04] Speaker 5: Did you ever struggle representing a serial killer? I guess that's what people would want to know. [00:47:09] Speaker 10: On this case in particular, because this is my only serial, serial killer case. No. Um, you know, from a personal standpoint, this is what I do. I represent people accused of crimes. I've handled 25 murders over my career. Some were double murders. Um, now this is really much different than any of those, but it's what we're trained to do. Um, regardless of the serious nature of the, of the crime, the horrific nature of the crime, it's what we're trained to do. And listen, it's a good question. If I couldn't, if I felt that I could not put my full effort into it, I would have stepped aside. I would have, I would have stepped aside. But I hope you folks realize from a defense standpoint, the defense team, we did everything we can to zealously represent our client. Um, we, uh, we, uh, we filed motions that were really important. We had some significant hearings that made case law, unfortunately not in our favor, uh, in the state of New York. And it's going to be cited across this nation. So we were zealous advocates. Um, so that's a long-winded answer to your question. No, I, I, there were a lot of ups and downs on this case personally representing him, um, in terms of, I mean, the magnitude of discovery, the pressure, the press, the attention, all those things. Uh, yeah, it, it's a lot, but I never had, I never thought for a second moment, I can't do this. No. [00:48:38] Speaker ?: No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. No. [00:52:39] Speaker 1: You'll go beach serial killer Rex Heuerman was sentenced today in New York. The architect, who commuted from Long Island to Manhattan, terrorized the Gilgo Beach area, murdering women between 1993 and 2010. He was arrested in 2023, the year after a task force was assembled to catch the Gilgo Beach killer. He pled guilty to seven murders. He admitted to eight. Today, he was sentenced. The judge in this case allowed a camera into the courtroom, but we were not allowed to broadcast it live. We are allowed now to broadcast some of it. It's coming in piecemeal. And the first part that we got in to Court TV was Rex Heuerman in court addressing the judge. Let's watch. [00:53:52] Speaker 21: Mr. Heuerman, is there anything you wish to say before I pronounce the sentence? [00:53:58] Speaker 22: Yes. [00:54:00] Speaker 21: Stand up. [00:54:08] Speaker 22: There are no words I can say. I'm responsible for what was said in this room today. The words I would say have no meaning. [00:54:19] Speaker 23: And I'm going to leave it there at this time. [00:54:24] Speaker 21: Mr. Heuerman, as Mr. Tierney said, I know that you're sorry that you got caught. I assume that you're sorry for what you've done to your wife and children. Are you a little bit sorry for what you did to these poor, innocent women? Eight women that you strangled to death? At least eight that we know of? Are you at least a little bit sorry for that? Yes? [00:54:56] Speaker 22: Yes, I am. [00:55:02] Speaker 21: You know what? You've been described as a very big man. But you're a disgusting and despicable small man, if you're a man at all. And you're a coward. As a result of your plea of guilty to murder in the first degree in account one of indictment 73544 of 2024, it's essentially a court that you serve the rest of your life without the possibility of parole. Respect to count two, murder in the first degree. It's essentially a court that you serve the rest of your life without the possibility of parole. With respect to count three, plead guilty to murder in the first degree. It's a sentence to the court that you serve the rest of your life without the possibility of parole. Those three sentences to run consecutive with each other. With respect to count seven, murder in the second degree. It's a sentence to the court that you serve an indeterminate term of imprisonment with a minimum of 25 years and a maximum of your life. With respect to count eight, murder in the second degree. It's a sentence to the court that you serve an indeterminate term of imprisonment with a minimum of 25 years and a maximum of your life. With respect to count nine, murder in the second degree. It's a sentence to the court that you serve an indeterminate term of imprisonment with a minimum of 25 years and a maximum of your life. And finally, with respect to count ten, murder in the second degree. It's a sentence to the court that you serve an indeterminate term of imprisonment with a minimum of 25 years and a maximum of your life. All of those sentences to run consecutive with each other. Mr. Tierney, with respect to counts four, five, and six. I move to dismiss your iron satisfaction of that sentence. That application is granted. Other agencies to collect. Anything else, gentlemen? Nothing from the people you're on. Mr. Brennan? Nothing from the people you're on. All right, get him out of here. [00:57:11] Speaker 24: All right, get him out of here. [00:57:41] Speaker 1: And there he goes, Rex Hewerman out of the courtroom. Boy, that judge, Marie Pereira, he was channeling you, I think, on some level. Anyway, he was just, let him have it. [00:57:53] Speaker 19: You know, but I do think it was inappropriate for him to allow, you know, the clapping and the, you know, cursing him out. Hope you get what you want. I get it, but there is a courtroom decorum that should be followed. You know, I practiced in that court in Nassau County, not before that judge, but under no circumstances, should he allow that, but I think they were just following his vibe because he definitely, you know, went off script as far as, you know, what he had to say prior to that sentencing. I, too, think he's a disgusting person, and I do think that he got off easy because he gets to live. So, I see he didn't lose any weight whatsoever. You see the size of his girth. I thought, you know, at least in prison while he was waiting for all of this to happen, he might have been remorseful, not eating, not sleeping, you know, just worrying about, you know, what he did and having any type of remorse. But clearly, he's not losing any weight at all. [00:58:52] Speaker 1: No. [00:58:52] Speaker 19: It's just. [00:58:54] Speaker 1: Yeah, I think the judge hit it. I think he does. He probably feels bad about what he did to his family. But judging on the way he treated these women as non-human beings, what he did, how he planned and waited for the opportunities, you know, when his family was out of town, that's when he acted. And then he carried on his life. I mean, the scariest thing about him is that he was living amongst other professionals, other people. You know, this idea that you can pick out a criminal mind is ridiculous. This sends shivers up your spine, this guy, what he did to these women and how he conducted his life. Let's get a break. When we come back, we'll continue to get the feed in from Suffolk County, New York. The family members, they all had their opportunity. We'll be getting it in piecemeal. We'll be passing it along to you throughout the day. Plus, we're not forgetting about George Pino. We're going to go back and pick up the defense case. It's day two of their case. Very busy Wednesday. Stay with us. Back after this. [01:00:16] Speaker ?: We'll be back. We'll be back. We'll be back. We'll be back. We'll be back. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. [01:03:47] Speaker 21: You know what? You've been described as a very big man, but you're a disgusting and despicable small man if you're a man at all, and you're a coward. Get him out of here. [01:04:26] Speaker 1: That was the end of the sentencing hearing for Rex Heuermann, the Gilgal Beach serial killer, the judge having the final word, along with the gallery erupting in applause as he was let out of the courtroom. He is now off to prison for the rest of his life after admitting to murdering eight innocent women dating all the way back to 1993. As we wait for more of the video from today's hearing to trickle into Court TV, let's head back to the podium where Michael J. Brown, who represented Rex Heuermann, is answering questions. [01:05:10] Speaker 10: Yeah, 100%. I mean, representing a murder case is always very challenging and difficult. This case is really off the charts. We've talked about that from a work ethic standpoint, right? Because, you know, in terms of the discovery and the amount of work, you know, we were working at times seven days a week. I'm 59 now. I don't want to work seven days a week. But we have a client, we have a case and we need to do what we have to do. So, yes, it's very challenging. And then again, you're dealing with eight different victims. It's unheard of really in our world out here on Long Island. So it was very difficult. And then you also have the new technology, which is you don't have that on many cases, where all of a sudden, they throw out this technology, throw out meaning they're using technology. Well, now you got to challenge it. And that's what we did. And we learned, not that I wanted to, but we learned a tremendous amount. Ms. Koish was phenomenal in terms of that Frye hearing. We had to educate ourselves in a short amount of time because Justice Mazie, very efficient. That's a nice [01:06:20] Speaker 20: way to put it. Right. And we did what we had to do. Mr. Brown, where is Rex going to be serving his prison sentence? And when will he be transferred there? So we, what happens in the state correctional [01:06:33] Speaker 10: facility is they put you into the initially the reception area. It used to be what's called downstate in Fishkill, but I don't think they go there anymore. But there's a reception facility. And then from there, they'll start funneling him out to whatever appropriate facility Department of Corrections feels is appropriate. You know, a lot of people have always asked over the course of this, is there any preference or can the judge send you to a specific facility? The answer is clearly no. In New York state, unlike the federal system, judges don't have any role or direction in terms of where you're placed other than in certain cases like programs, for instance, if it's what's called the shock program or the Willard, which is a drug treatment program. Short of that, and obviously that's not going to apply in this case, it's up to the Department of Corrections. And I would expect it would be a maximum security prison because he's now convicted and sentenced on seven murders. [01:07:30] Speaker 7: Can we go back to the dichotomy? Yes. [01:07:33] Speaker 10: I don't know. You know, I try to, I try to, I hope he is. After doing this for 35 years, I hope that I'm a good reader of people and I can judge how they express themselves. And if it's sincere, I don't know. I don't know. I would hope he would be. Um, I can say that over the course of representing him, he has absolutely shown emotion and it's genuine emotion. There's genuine sincerity. He's expressed, uh, he's, he's cried over the course of my representation. So I, I expect it's sincere and I really think he wants to find out, uh, the triggers for why he did what he did. Have you ever seen that? That's beyond, that's way beyond, you know, my pay grade. I, it's not my world. Uh, but I, I do think, I do think there's a sincerity to his expression of some remorse as well as trying [01:08:40] Speaker 6: to understand why he committed these crimes. Michael, given what you've come to see from him, are you surprised he didn't have more to say in court today? [01:08:50] Speaker 10: I probably would say yes to that. Um, he, he's a somewhat of a charismatic figure. When you talk to him, he's engaging when you talk to him. And I, I do think I did kind of expect that he would say [01:09:03] Speaker 25: more, uh, but that was his choice. A lot of the victims, a lot of the victims families talked about, um, the money that, uh, family made from the documentary, uh, very angry about that. Can you [01:09:16] Speaker 10: address that? What was your reaction? Yeah, I, I, I completely understand that. Let's just be clear. The defense team has nothing to do with this documentary, right? We're representing him on the criminal case. There are, uh, periphery, uh, people who are involved in what you're talking about, and obviously they did whatever they wanted to do. And, and there was a lot of, apparently, from what you reported in the press, a tremendous amount of money that was made. You know, that, does that sit well with me? No, it doesn't sit well with me. We're not party to that. We're not privy to that. We're not involved in that. We had a, a very focused goal, which is defending an individual charged with some serious crimes. I, I, I certainly appreciate what, uh, one of the victims, uh, I think it was the mother of the aunt indicated about this loophole in the law. [01:10:08] Speaker 1: Uh, I completely understand. Michael J. Brown, uh, being very candid with reporters after the sentencing of his client Rex Herman will get a break. We're still waiting on the bulk of the images out of that courtroom. We still don't have the victim impact statements in house. Once we get them, we'll pass [01:10:23] Speaker 3: them along quick break. More. Next. [01:10:53] Speaker ?: We'll see you next time. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. [01:14:23] Speaker 26: Welcome back to CORE TV Live. I'm Julia Jenae. Thank you for being with us. Thank you for following along with us as we track several major trials this afternoon here at CORE TV. Let's take a look at what's on the dock. In New York, serial killer Rex Eurman has been sentenced to life in prison without the possibility of parole for his involvement in the Gilgal Beach murders. We'll continue our coverage there in New York and in Florida. The defense case is happening now for a father accused of killing his daughter's friend during a boating accident. A neurologist is on the stand in that manslaughter trial. We'll keep you updated there. And in Los Angeles, singer David was back in court today for a status hearing. He'll be back in court on July 21st for a preliminary hearing ahead of his trial for the murder of a teen, Celeste Rivas Hernandez, who was found dismembered in the trunk of his Tesla. And in Alaska, testimony back underway this hour in the murder trial for Zarius Hildebrand, who's on trial for the murder of his wife. We'll keep you updated on all of those throughout the day. But let's start in New York this hour, where Rex Eurman was just sentenced to life in prison today. The architect pleaded guilty earlier this year to killing seven female sex workers over a 17-year period dating back to 1993. Those were the charges against him, and also he admitted to the killing of an eighth. First, let's go back to the moment inside of the courtroom. Today, we've had to wait to get the footage from inside because there was a judicial order not to live stream it. But what we do have is the moment that the judge asked Eurman if he had anything he wanted to say. [01:16:10] Speaker 21: Mr. Eurman, Is there anything you wish to say before I pronounce the sentence? Yes. Stand up. [01:16:26] Speaker 22: There are no words I can say. I'm responsible for what was said in this room today. [01:16:33] Speaker 23: The words I would say have no meaning, and I'm going to leave it there at this time. Let me go. [01:16:45] Speaker 21: Mr. Eurman, as Mr. Eurman said, I know that you're sorry that you got caught. I assume that you're sorry for what you've done to your wife and children. Mr. Eurman said, are you a little bit sorry for what you did to these poor, innocent women? Mr. Eurman said, eight women that you strangled to death? At least eight that we know of? Mr. Eurman said, are you at least a little bit sorry for that? Mr. Eurman said, you know what? You've been described as a very big man, but you're a disgusting and despicable small man, if you're a man at all. Mr. Eurman said, are you a man at all? And you're a coward. Mr. Eurman said, are you a coward? As a result of your plea of guilty to murder in the first degree in your count one of indictment 73544 of 2024, it's essentially a court that you serve the rest of your life without the possibility of parole. With respect to count three, plead guilty to murder in the first degree. It's a sentence of the court that you serve the rest of your life without the possibility of parole. Those three sentences to run consecutive with each other. With respect to count seven, murder in the second degree. It's a sentence of the court that you serve an indeterminate term of imprisonment with a minimum of 25 years and a maximum of your life. With respect to count nine, murder in the second degree. It's a sentence of the court that you serve an indeterminate term of imprisonment with a minimum of 25 years and a maximum of your life. With respect to count ten, murder in the second degree. It's a sentence of the court that you serve an indeterminate term of imprisonment with a minimum of 25 years and a maximum of your life. With respect to count ten, murder in the second degree. It's a sentence of the court that you serve an indeterminate term of imprisonment with a minimum of 25 years and a maximum of your life. With respect to count ten, murder in the second degree. It's a sentence of the court that you serve an indeterminate term of imprisonment with a minimum of 25 years and a maximum of your life. All of those sentences to run consecutive with each other. Mr. Tierney, with respect to counts four, five, and six. We move to dismiss your iron satisfaction of that sentence. That application is granted. Other agencies to collect. Anything else, gentlemen? 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There were hearings, discovery, motions to help him get away with that. To me, I think that they should have brought up why was there such a delay in arresting him in the first place. They identified a big fat ogre from 2010 with his truck. But because of who was the police chief and who was the DA at the time, they swept it under the rug. They blocked the FBI from investigating. And for years, he went on to kill more and more and more. Why didn't somebody bring that up? I know that those two people, Burke and Spada, they were arrested and convicted for other matters. But it was their corruption that caused the delay in the investigation and allowed him to stay outside murdering people. And the people he murdered, you know what? Nobody cared about them because they were marginal. They were addicts. They were sex workers. So no one cared to say what's happening to all of these women. When you look at collectively everything that happened that allowed him to be outside murdering people like that. It just seems like there is really no justice because what now he's in prison without parole. To me, that's nothing for what he did to those people. [01:22:19] Speaker 26: There has been a lot of criticism, Marie, for how this was handled, who was in charge, who allowed certain things that were available to not be investigated properly. You heard the judge say something that I thought was interesting, though. He mentioned, yes, you have admitted to these crimes now because you got caught, the eight women. There's a suggestion that if that's all there is, do you think? We heard Michael Brown, his attorney, say that Hewerman's going to be submitting to the behavioral sciences. He will cooperate with them in exchange for not being prosecuted for anything else. Do you think there's a possibility that this is not the end in terms of victims that are connected to Rex Hewerman? [01:22:58] Speaker 19: He probably murdered more women. But you know, not to say that each life doesn't matter. But to me, as long as he's alive, I'm not good with it. That man should not be alive. But then, you know, death penalty was never on the table. It's not, you know, appropriate in this situation. But still, he gets to live his life, get up every day, feed his belly, eat off the dime of the Department of Corrections and federal prisons. He's alive. He's breathing. Those women are not. And the way they died and they were discarded and no one gave a damn for so many years. How do you ever get that back? There is no real justice here. Justice would be immediate death, in my opinion. And I'm not a death penalty person. But in this case, it is just absolutely appropriate that he should just not be alive. The man is a demon. [01:23:53] Speaker 26: Marie Pereira, we are going to put a pin in that now because that's been the latest there out in New York. But we do have some breaking news that's coming out of California. So we want to turn our attention there. Singer David was back in court today. His full name is David Anthony Burke. He has pleaded not guilty to murdering a 14 year old girl whose body was found in the front trunk of his Tesla. Prosecutors say that Celeste Rivas Hernandez was stabbed to death, then dismembered after she threatened to expose the relationship with this singer. And today we have a hearing that happened there in California. We did not have a live stream coming out of that courtroom. So we are now able to go to Los Angeles. We're joining us outside of the courthouse is investigative reporter Julia Dang. Julia, thanks so much for joining us. I know you were inside of that courtroom today. What can you tell us about what transpired at this hearing? [01:24:43] Speaker 27: So, Julia, major headline coming out of this hearing today is that we're going to have to do this all over again. They continued the case, essentially meaning that this was delayed. And we just spoke here outside this same courthouse about a month ago, back on May 12th, because we had another status conference that day. So today was very much the same exercise. The defense attorneys for the defendant, David Anthony Burke, they made a motion to basically delay the case. They said they wanted more time. It sounds like it was because some kind of evidence that came out during the discovery process made them feel like they needed additional time to prep their case. So they did set a date. We're going to do this status conference again. That's going to be on July 7th. And then during another preliminary hearing on July 21st, two weeks after that following status conference, we'll find out if this might have legs to actually go to trial. Now, what was interesting this morning is that there was actually an in chambers hearing that was between the judge, the prosecution and the defense. So we had no cameras in the courtroom and media was not present for this in chambers hearing. Apparently, the records from that hearing between the two sides and the judge, those records were sealed by the time they actually got into the courtroom and started speaking in more than open venue where journalists could hear. So we don't know exactly what evidence was cited by defense attorneys in their motion to continue the case. We do know the judge said the court found there was reason to delay this. So we're going to keep on playing the waiting game here. We are set up with media outside the courthouse waiting for anybody time to this case to walk out. There was chatter here. There might actually be a press conference. So again, not a lot to report from the hearing. But we may find out later today exactly why this was pushed back yet again. Back over to you. [01:27:03] Speaker 26: That is interesting about the close in chambers hearing, Julia, that whatever was mentioned inside was enough to convince the judge that they needed to wait. But why it couldn't be in front of the cameras is curious. Who all was inside of the courtroom? I know we have to let you go quickly. But who did you see today once you're inside? [01:27:19] Speaker 27: It was largely media once again. We have seen that at every hearing now in this case against David Anthony Burke charged with first-degree murder. The back two rows of the courtroom completely filled with reporters. Now, we didn't see friends or family of either the defendant or his alleged victim. But let me tell you about David's demeanor. He walked in clean shaven. His hair looks to be a little bit longer. He was wearing his regulation orange jail uniform. And he looked incredibly relaxed. I couldn't get over how he smiled and nodded at the judge. He looked almost too comfortable to be in that courtroom. But he and his attorney, Blair Burke, they seemed pretty pleased with this update. This seems to be part of the defense strategy to just keep on delaying this case. [01:28:21] Speaker 26: Fascinating observation, giving the heinous nature of the charges against him. Julia Dang out there in Los Angeles for us. Thank you so much for joining us. We have got to get in a break, everyone. But when we come back, there's another trial that we are tracking that's going on live right now out in Miami. That is the boat party crash manslaughter chart trial rather against George Pino. This man right here. The defense case is what's going on. And in court yesterday, his wife was on the stand. Today, a neurologist is on the stand. We will take you back to that testimony when we return. [01:29:20] Speaker ?: We will take you back to that testimony. We will take you back to that testimony. We will take you back to that testimony. We will take you back to that testimony. 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We will take you back to that testimony. We will take you back to that testimony. We will take you back to that testimony. We will take you back to that testimony. We will take you back to that testimony. All right, we're going to step aside because we know the audio is not great inside of that courtroom. [01:40:14] Speaker 26: It's not as simple as turning a few knobs. This is a court of law, so we have to wait until a break, like a lunch break, for tech to get in there and to actually figure out if we can make the audio any better, especially since this witness is not on the stand. But we're going to talk about it with someone we can hear and understand very clearly. Trial attorney Marie Pereira is with us, also a registered nurse. And I'm glad that you're going to be able to talk about this, Marie, because I do want to give our viewers an overview of why this witness is on the stand. She's a neurologist. She's a consulting neurologist, not someone who had treated George Pino for anything before this. But she's talking about this traumatic brain injury and how it can happen and explaining it to the jury. And she's going to eventually explain to them a diagnosis or a condition of confabulation where he could have thought there was a large boat at some point during their travel. And then after his traumatic brain injury, that's what he told police happened during the time of the crash. I mean, this is a story that he's stuck to for quite some time. It's even in the civil case, those interrogatories that they answered. They said the reason that this crash happened was there was this large boat vessel that distracted him, created a wake, and he was thrown about because of that. Have you ever experienced that with a patient or anyone that you've been treating that they lost their memory because of a head injury but then they filled in the gaps with information which was not true? [01:41:41] Speaker 19: It's completely possible and I think the reason why the attorneys for this defendant they're doing this is to try to evade the fact that he might have told a lie. Because initially, you know, he refused to take the breathalyzer. He claims that he only had two beers, he wasn't drunk, but yet he didn't want to take the breathalyzer. Then he said there was a big wave that distracted him and now this other thing. I think it was really masterful that they decided to bring in the neurologist because the neurologist's job is to explain that he didn't tell a lie. He just didn't remember what happened because he suffered a mild form of traumatic brain injury. So to actually bring in a neurologist to dispel any myth that he concocted a lie because of his consciousness of guilt is really good for him because it makes him look like not a liar, not someone who just was trying to get out of hot water and was creating things. Because if there was a big boat, evidence could show there was not. So they just want to take away the lie he told because they want to blame it on a medical condition. That is tenacious lawyering. He really has good attorneys, big bucks, and they're not sparing anything to make the jurors look at him in a better light than someone who didn't want to take the breathalyzer, is rich, is trying to escape liability with expensive lawyers. They're just making it look like somebody who just didn't know what he was saying at the time because GPS is going to show he was speeding and there is proof that there was no big boat. So how do you explain that? It wasn't a lie. It was just a concussion that made me just try to fill in the gaps. It wasn't an intentional misrepresentation of what happened. Masterful. [01:43:43] Speaker 26: Let's listen back to that moment because it came up in the defense opening statement where they tried to preface this for the jury because as the state's evidence was going to come out, we weren't going to hear anything about this boat. Let's listen back to that moment and talk about it on the other side. [01:43:59] Speaker 29: We cannot prove, we don't know if there in fact was another boat out there that may have thrown away from a distance, a wake, a wave, but we can't establish it for certain. And so it appears that Mr. Pino's memory of how that accident happened cannot be relied upon given his traumatic brain injury. And we will present testimony from doctor who has examined the records who will confirm that in fact, Mr. Pino, given the circumstances, did suffer from a traumatic brain injury that would result in what the professionals call false memories, memories that the person believed to be true but are not accurate. [01:44:40] Speaker ?: That's right. [01:44:41] Speaker 26: Dr. Pino is there a danger here, though, because they're walking a fine line. If the defense says that even though we know because we heard on body camera, he sounds so certain about many things. He sounds certain about where he was going. He sounds certain about how many people were on the boat. He sounds certain about he only had two beers, but they're saying he's not certain about this large vessel and the weight. If one thing is a confabulation, could two beers also be a confabulation? [01:45:07] Speaker 19: You know what, it could work both ways. But you know, for people who say I'm coming after him because people say I'm coming after this guy with my analysis. He did suffer a head injury. Somebody came yesterday and testified he was bleeding. There was even a photo of a large bump on the back of his head. So it is absolutely possible. And it's not wrong that his defense attorneys are trying to explain away why he might have misrepresented what happened because of the brain injury. What I think he's doing wrong is while this testimony is going on, he forgets that there are cameras and they're zooming in. And the more whenever they're talking about something, now all of a sudden his eyes start and then he's acting like he has eye pain. He's trying to match what his lawyer is saying with his demeanor and it makes him look like he's faking. So he needs to be alert to that. They're zooming in on everything he's doing and it just looks like he's matching his eye movement, almost like he has an eye twitch when they said neurological anything. He's just doing too much and he needs to stop doing that. [01:46:18] Speaker 26: Interesting observation about what we've seen throughout this case really of George Pino. He's doing it now. And it could be connected to make sure the jurors understand what he has dealt with in the last four years. Let's get to our break, Marie. When we come back, we'll hear more from the neurologist. We'll see what George Pino is doing there at the defense side. And then once we get to that lunch break, we'll be able to fix that audio. We'll be back. [01:46:48] Speaker ?: We'll be back. We'll be back.