Liberals vs. Conservatives Get Fact-Checked Live — Checkmate

[0:00] Hello and welcome to Checkmate, the debate show where fact-checking your opponent wins you the game. [0:05] Me. I'm a Democrat. You guys are Biden to step down? [0:08] I'm a Democrat that advocated for him to step down. [0:10] There's an ungodly amount of lawlessness as a result of the Trump administration's policy. [0:13] They're pardoning fraudsters as well. [0:14] That to me doesn't look like a party that prioritizes cracking down on criminals. [0:18] Would you like to address the point that 54% of all murders in the United States happen in 2% of counties that have 30% of the population [0:22] and the vast majority of them are run by Democrats? [0:26] Of course, because that's where the people live, in the blue city. [0:29] I'm your host, Paris Rose, and today it's Liberals vs. Conservatives. [0:37] Let's meet the Liberals. [0:38] Hi, I'm Ryan Basham. [0:40] I'm David Mauricio. [0:41] I'm Jake Gould. [0:42] I'm Parker Sedgwick. [0:43] Welcome in. Now let's meet the Conservatives. [0:46] Hi, I'm Gerard. [0:47] Hi, I'm Enia Schutsky. [0:49] Hi, I'm Austin. [0:50] Dr. Julio Brault. [0:51] Hi, I'm Hayden Rohde. [0:53] All right, well, players, the game is simple. [0:56] If the other side says something false, hit your button and our fact-checkers will verify it live. [1:00] If you're right, your team gets the point. [1:03] And if you're wrong, the other team gets the point. [1:06] But remember, you can only press your button once per prompt. [1:09] So push it wisely. [1:11] Are you guys ready? [1:12] Yeah. [1:12] Let's get into it. [1:13] All right, it's time to find out who's actually more informed. [1:16] The first checkmate prompt is, [1:18] will the first debaters please step forward? [1:23] All right, we're going to do a coin toss to see who goes first. [1:29] Liberals have chosen heads, so let's see. [1:35] Tails. [1:36] So conservatives will go first. [1:38] Let's put 15 minutes on the clock. [1:40] Your time starts now. [1:42] Yeah, so a lot of America's culture war is liberals abusing children [1:45] and then getting mad when conservatives try to stop them. [1:47] So, for example, from 1973, there's been 63 million pre-born children [1:52] who have been murdered by abortion. [1:53] Furthermore, liberals abuse their children in other ways, [1:56] like giving them puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones [1:57] and extreme body modification procedures. [2:00] And so the conservatives are really just trying to stop the child abuse [2:02] that's going on from liberals. [2:04] And when we look at the role of the state in all of this, [2:06] conservatives are actually a bit more freedom in a couple of areas, [2:08] like school choice. [2:09] We want K-12 education savings accounts. [2:11] So when there's disagreements over school boards [2:14] and what's getting taught in schools and gender ideology [2:16] and what books are in school libraries, [2:17] we actually want both liberals and conservatives [2:19] to be able to pull their kids from public schools [2:21] and send them to private schools of their choice. [2:24] Yeah, so I would say that the right is very focused on misinformation, [2:27] on claims that are objectively not true. [2:30] You might say that we have political disagreements [2:31] on some of the culture war issues that you decided to bring up, [2:34] whether it be on abortion, et cetera. [2:36] But the reality of the matter is that conservatives [2:38] focus their time on misinformation, [2:41] claims that are totally objectively false. [2:43] Over 60% of Republicans believed that the election was stolen [2:46] with absolutely no evidence. [2:47] A huge portion of Republicans believed the vaccines [2:49] weren't safe and effective. [2:50] I had to debate plenty of these individuals [2:52] on live stream constantly all the time. [2:54] Not to say that there isn't misinformation that exists on the left, [2:56] but to say that it's more prevalent on the right wing [2:58] and especially a top-down approach. [3:00] Whereas you might be able to point to comment sections [3:02] for liberals in a lot of these situations. [3:03] We're talking a top-down approach [3:05] from the president directly themselves. [3:07] Alongside of the fact that the things you brought up [3:08] in terms of surgeries or body modification things [3:11] are often things that liberals support [3:12] right after the point in which someone becomes an adult, [3:14] not for children, I would oppose it in the context of children [3:17] if we're talking about body modification, [3:19] i.e. like surgeries or anything like that. [3:20] What about puberty blockers and cross-sex hormones? [3:22] Yeah, I think puberty blockers are applicable [3:24] to individuals who are not trans as well. [3:26] So do you think that puberty blockers... [3:27] Can I ask you the question? [3:28] Yeah, go ahead. [3:28] Do you think puberty blockers should be available [3:30] to individuals determined by a doctor [3:32] in situations in which they're not trans [3:33] but rather have precocious puberty or early puberty? [3:36] Yeah, so the difference there is with precocious puberty, [3:38] they're taking them off the puberty blockers [3:39] at the time when they would normally start puberty, [3:41] which is completely different from putting them on puberty blockers [3:43] at the time they're supposed to start puberty [3:44] and then having them go on to cross-sex hormones, [3:47] which the vast majority of them do. [3:48] It's about 84% to 98% that go directly from puberty blockers [3:51] on to cross-sex hormones. [3:52] And even WPATH themselves in their latest standards of care [3:54] acknowledge that puberty blockers themselves [3:56] can result in infertility. [3:58] So what you're really arguing for here [3:59] is sterilizing children. [4:01] No, it's definitely not. [4:02] Okay, so do you think that most of the application [4:04] for puberty blockers in the context of a determination [4:06] from a doctor or a medical professional [4:08] is going to give the child infertility? [4:10] When someone who identifies as trans [4:15] is given puberty blockers by their doctor [4:17] and then goes on to cross-sex hormones, [4:19] will that result in infertility? [4:20] What is the proportional likelihood of infertility [4:22] given the implementation of puberty blockers? [4:24] Because typically it's the context of testing [4:26] to see if the implementation of puberty blockers [4:29] at a very small level will even be effective [4:30] in the first place. [4:31] It's a very long process for medical professionals [4:33] to go through this. [4:34] And the idea that I was saying is that [4:35] medical professionals are the ones to deem [4:37] whether it's medically effective in this scenario, [4:38] not just like me or you on a show [4:41] where we don't know the hyper-specifics of the science. [4:43] And so this will be helpful for you then. [4:44] Marcy Bowers, the president of WPATH up until 2024, [4:47] said in a leaked Zoom call that of adolescents [4:49] who are truly blocked at Tanner Stage 2 [4:51] who are natal males, [4:52] the number who can successfully achieve orgasm is zero. [4:55] It's really about zero. [4:55] That's a direct quote from her. [4:56] Any of you guys are welcome to fact-check this. [4:58] So when we're talking about cross-sex hormones [5:00] and puberty blockers, [5:01] we are talking about sterilizing children [5:02] and leaving them infertile [5:04] and unable to achieve orgasmic function. [5:06] Notice how none of them are fact-checking this [5:07] because they all know it's true. [5:08] Do you think in every circumstance [5:09] that there is someone that uses puberty blockers, [5:11] there is infertility? [5:13] Okay, so I just gave you the quote from Marcy Bowers [5:14] about natal males specifically. [5:15] Can you answer the question? [5:16] I'm trying to. [5:17] I don't know why you're not directly answering questions. [5:18] So about natal males specifically, [5:20] Marcy Bowers said that they would be infertile [5:22] and unable to achieve orgasmic function. [5:23] Is that my question? [5:24] It's half of it [5:25] because half of the people receiving, [5:26] well, not half exactly, [5:27] but roughly half of the people [5:28] receiving the puberty blocks [5:29] and cross-sex hormones are natal males. [5:30] So I'm addressing natal males. [5:31] If you want me to address natal females, [5:32] I can do that as well. [5:33] So you think 50% of those [5:35] that take puberty blockers [5:36] are going to become infertile? [5:37] That's not what I said. [5:38] I said... [5:38] 50% of males? [5:39] I said, no. [5:40] Of males, it's pretty much 100% [5:41] because if you're blocking someone... [5:42] So 100% of males are going to become infertile [5:44] due to the implementation of puberty blockers. [5:46] Is that what you're saying? [5:47] Do you want me to repeat the quote from Marcy Bowers? [5:48] She said it's really about zero. [5:50] I'm asking you what you're saying [5:50] and you're not clarifying. [5:51] Okay, so if someone is blocked at Tanner Stage 2, [5:53] when does spermatogenesis begin? [5:54] What Tanner stage? [5:55] I like how you're asking me a question [5:56] rather than responding directly to my question. [5:58] Do you have the capacity to directly respond [6:00] to the question I brought in? [6:01] I was very, very nice with the presentation of it. [6:03] Would you like to respond? [6:04] Yeah, so spermatogenesis begins at Tanner Stage 3. [6:06] And so if you're blocking kids at Tanner Stage 2, [6:08] which is what they're doing, [6:10] no, they won't be fertile. [6:11] What percent of individuals do you think [6:12] are going to become infertile [6:13] given the implementation or use of puberty blockers? [6:15] Okay, let me ask you this. [6:16] What percent's acceptable to you? [6:17] Are we going to not get a response to a question ever? [6:19] I gave you the answer. [6:21] Hayden, you have to answer that question. [6:22] Okay, I gave you the answer. [6:23] Based on W past president Marcy Bowers, [6:25] the answer is really about zero. [6:26] That's a quote from her. [6:27] If you want to reject the authority [6:28] of the president of WPATH, [6:30] the World Professional Association for Transrater Health, [6:31] you're welcome to. [6:32] But I would really like to know [6:33] what percentage is acceptable to you? [6:34] So zero will become infertile? [6:36] That's what Marcy Bowers said in the Zoom. [6:37] So no people will become infertile. [6:39] Is that what you're calling me? [6:39] Oh, I'm sorry. [6:40] I'm sorry. [6:41] They will become infertile. [6:42] They won't be... [6:43] 100%. [6:43] That's what Marcy Bowers said. [6:44] Of all people who take puberty blockers. [6:45] Of natal males specifically. [6:46] Wait, I'm asking about all people [6:47] who take puberty blockers. [6:48] That would include females. [6:49] So do I have the exact number for the females? [6:51] Can you specify? [6:52] Of all people who take puberty blockers, [6:54] especially we're talking about children. [6:55] Can you tell me what percent of them [6:56] would go infertile? [6:57] Do you have an idea about that or no? [6:58] So for natal males specifically, [7:00] it's 100%. [7:00] Why do you keep saying? [7:01] I'm not asking about natal males. [7:02] I'm telling you. [7:02] Everyone. [7:03] I'm not sure of the exact number [7:04] for natal females. [7:05] So I can't come up with the answer for everyone. [7:07] But I would really like to know for me [7:08] Can you define natal male? [7:09] You haven't answered this question. [7:10] I noticed that. [7:10] I've asked it two times. [7:11] I'm going to ask one more time. [7:11] Because I'm clarifying the statements [7:12] that you made [7:13] and you still haven't directly answered the question. [7:14] I have. [7:14] I have. [7:14] If you can't answer the question. [7:16] All right, guys. [7:17] We're six minutes in. [7:19] And so, Parker, [7:19] do you have a reason [7:20] why you feel that conservatives [7:21] are more responsible [7:23] for cultural wars in America? [7:25] I feel like we weren't even able [7:26] to get into any actual conversation [7:28] because the opposing side [7:29] wasn't willing to engage [7:30] in a direct conversation [7:31] about what he was specifically saying. [7:32] So we spent time [7:33] clarifying the whole time. [7:35] I would definitely say [7:35] the best arguments for saying [7:37] that the right is focused [7:37] on culture war issues [7:38] is the idea that they're trying to portray [7:40] that there's a bunch of trans women [7:41] dominating women's sports [7:42] and that some sort of law [7:43] imposed by the president, [7:44] like an executive order, [7:46] is somehow going to prevent people [7:47] from happening or doing that. [7:48] When I would ask them, [7:49] like, can you name [7:49] a single trans person [7:50] that was dominating women's sports [7:51] that was prevented from playing [7:52] by the executive order, [7:53] they wouldn't be able to mention that. [7:54] I can bring up scenarios [7:55] about the vaccines and the masks [7:56] where they felt [7:57] they weren't safe and effective. [7:58] Not all, but some individuals, [7:59] a lot more prevalent on the right [8:00] than you would see on the left. [8:01] We can talk about election misinformation, [8:03] a lot more posited by the right [8:04] rather than the left. [8:05] We can talk about the broad support [8:07] of January 6th violent rioters [8:09] who beat police officers [8:09] on the context of the right [8:11] and the implications [8:12] of political violence. [8:13] Austin, I see you pressed your button. [8:16] Which claim would you like fact-checked? [8:17] That Republicans showed broad support [8:19] for the events of January 6th. [8:21] All right, fact-checkers, [8:23] do your thing. [8:24] One day. [8:24] One day. [8:25] We should be getting out. [8:25] We're going to get more today. [8:27] Wait, wait, wait. [8:28] The crowd's getting one. [8:29] I'm going to talk to you. [8:31] So, Parker, [8:32] you claim that Republicans [8:33] showed broad support [8:34] for the January 6th riots. [8:36] The verdict is in, [8:37] and that is false. [8:39] Polls since January 6th [8:41] have shown that Republicans [8:42] broadly do not support [8:44] the January 6th riots. [8:45] In a poll in 2021, [8:47] 58% of Republicans [8:48] oppose their action. [8:51] Broaden pulls up from three. [8:53] Bang! [8:54] I'm not going to specify. [8:55] Good talking to you. [8:56] It's fucking bullshit. [8:57] So much. [8:58] All right, Jake, you're up. [8:59] Take your seat. [9:01] How we doing? [9:01] How we doing? [9:02] Good, how are you? [9:02] All right. [9:03] So, [9:04] I'm going to move topics a little bit, [9:06] but to clarify what Parker said real quick, [9:08] the number is about 45% of Republicans [9:10] supported specifically [9:12] the violent felons on January 6th. [9:14] That is the number you can fact check it. [9:17] All right. [9:18] I see, Gerard, [9:19] you pressed your button. [9:20] Which claim would you like fact checked? [9:21] The claim that 45% of Republicans [9:23] supported specifically [9:24] the violent felons on January 6th. [9:26] The pardons of the violent felons. [9:27] Oh, that's not what he said. [9:28] That's not what he said. [9:29] He said supported the violent felons [9:30] of January 6th. [9:31] Yes, the pardons of the violent felons. [9:32] If you let me finish my sentence. [9:34] He didn't state the word pardons. [9:35] Okay, well, that's the answer. [9:37] So, if you support the pardon [9:38] of a violent felon, [9:39] then you support the violent felon [9:40] because that's my claim. [9:41] So, well, what he said was [9:42] 45% of Republicans [9:43] supported the violent felons. [9:45] I'm fact checking that claim. [9:46] So, what's the difference? [9:46] He was in the middle of his sentence. [9:49] Literally in the middle of it. [9:50] The buzz came before [9:51] the end of the sentence. [9:52] Pardons would have been [9:53] in the middle of that sentence. [9:54] Doesn't, okay. [9:57] The number is about 45% [9:59] of Republicans supported [10:00] specifically the violent felons [10:02] on January 6th. [10:04] Point, please. [10:07] Sure. [10:07] And they supported the pardons. [10:08] That's part of supporting [10:09] the violent felons. [10:10] Jake, you claim that [10:11] 45% of Republicans [10:12] supported the violent felons [10:14] on January 6th. [10:15] The verdict is in [10:16] and that is true. [10:19] Polls show that [10:20] 45% of Republicans [10:21] do support the actions [10:22] of the January 6th rioters. [10:26] And they're probably [10:27] supporting January 6th. [10:27] Yes, sir. [10:29] Yes. [10:31] Hayden, you can return [10:31] to the podium [10:32] and Austin, take a seat. [10:34] Let's fucking go, bro. [10:35] I feel like we're [10:36] in a side show of your show. [10:37] They let anyone [10:40] do these shows now, huh? [10:42] They call one of the goats. [10:43] I've just switched [10:44] center chairs, that's all. [10:45] This is our rematch [10:46] of the surrounded debate [10:47] we just had. [10:48] All right, Austin, [10:48] your time starts now. [10:50] Give it to me. [10:50] So, I mean, [10:51] I want you to, [10:52] I mean, [10:52] 45% of Republicans [10:54] supported the criminals [10:55] is what you're saying. [10:56] The pardons of the crim, [10:58] of the specifically [10:59] violent criminals, yes. [11:00] So, that doesn't actually, [11:02] so you're saying, [11:03] is that the chief, [11:03] is that the coup de grace [11:04] example you have [11:04] of the right being more [11:06] for... [11:07] I didn't even want to get, [11:07] so let's get into [11:08] the culture wars. [11:09] I was just kind of [11:09] clarifying what Parker said. [11:10] That should bother you [11:11] a lot, though, right? [11:12] And I know it does [11:13] because I know we've [11:13] talked about this [11:14] specifically before. [11:15] That bothers you, right? [11:16] About half of Republicans [11:18] believe that. [11:18] It bothers me that morons [11:19] support moronic activity, yes. [11:20] Yeah, okay. [11:21] So, half of your party. [11:22] I agree. [11:22] No, I wouldn't say half. [11:23] 45% is not half. [11:25] Okay, almost half. [11:25] That wouldn't win an election. [11:26] It wouldn't win an election. [11:27] So, yeah, it wouldn't. [11:28] Depends on how many people [11:29] vote third party. [11:30] But anyway, [11:30] let's get into the culture war, okay? [11:32] I can, you can start, [11:33] I can start. [11:34] I want to, you know, [11:34] based on... [11:34] I'll have your story. [11:35] Why not? [11:35] You won the last point. [11:36] Go ahead. [11:36] Well, listen, [11:37] so based on kind of [11:38] what Hayden was saying, [11:38] like that whole micro topic [11:40] of just trans, you know, [11:41] people and puberty blockers [11:43] kind of proves our point [11:44] that Republicans are so obsessed [11:46] with the trans issue [11:47] that it's all they can talk about. [11:48] Now, you can say [11:49] that maybe like some... [11:50] Republicans are so obsessed [11:51] with the trans issue. [11:52] That's a... [11:52] I wouldn't even... [11:53] I think a bigger issue [11:54] and one of the larger issues [11:55] that Donald Trump [11:56] was attacked for his views on [11:57] as well as the Republican right [11:59] is views on abortion. [12:00] I think that's a larger [12:01] cultural issue [12:02] than anything dealing [12:03] with trans people. [12:03] Trans people only make up [12:04] about 6% of the United States [12:05] population, if that much. [12:07] I think it's one. [12:08] I think it's one. [12:09] Parker, I see that [12:10] you pushed your button. [12:11] Which claim would you like [12:12] to have fact-checked? [12:12] Trans people make up [12:13] 6% of the population. [12:15] Yeah, I literally said [12:15] around if that much. [12:16] Like it wasn't... [12:17] I literally said if [12:18] in the actual... [12:18] Around 6% is still... [12:19] I don't know how many... [12:20] Like, it's pretty... [12:21] I also said if. [12:22] Austin, you made the claim [12:23] that trans people [12:24] make up around 6% [12:26] of the U.S. population. [12:27] The verdict is in [12:28] and that is false. [12:30] Yes! [12:31] Studies show that [12:32] less than 1% of people [12:33] in the U.S. identify as trans, [12:35] being 0.8%. [12:37] Proves my point [12:38] it's not a bit close, [12:38] aren't you? [12:40] Exactly. [12:41] Austin, you can return [12:41] to the podium. [12:42] Enya, you can take a seat. [12:43] Exactly. [12:45] Hi, Enya. [12:46] How are you? [12:47] Enya, your time starts now. [12:48] I kind of want to move away [12:50] from, you know, [12:51] the trans idea [12:52] because... [12:52] Oh, thank God. [12:52] I know... [12:53] I do agree that [12:54] the Republicans [12:55] like to push on that. [12:56] So what I want to go [12:57] is focus on feminism [12:58] because feminism [13:00] has been a significant reason [13:02] why the culture war has happened. [13:03] And what is the culture war? [13:04] The culture war [13:05] is when the progressives [13:06] have put their political ideologies [13:08] into industries [13:09] like education. [13:12] Feminism [13:12] has been a part of that [13:14] significantly. [13:15] We are feminizing [13:16] our students, [13:17] our children, [13:17] and it is affecting [13:19] the country. [13:21] Okay, so, I mean, [13:22] you made a very slight pivot [13:23] from trans [13:24] to feminizing children. [13:27] Okay, so it's still [13:27] somewhat related, [13:28] but you can make whatever... [13:30] If you want to make [13:30] some claims about feminism, [13:31] that's sure. [13:32] I'm not really here [13:33] to argue [13:33] that liberals [13:34] aren't responsible [13:35] for contributing [13:36] to the culture war, [13:37] just like, you know, [13:37] Republicans [13:38] and conservatives [13:38] aren't responsible, too, [13:39] for contributing [13:40] to the culture war. [13:41] What I'm more interested in, [13:42] and again, [13:43] we can talk about [13:43] every micro statistic [13:44] on feminism [13:44] if you want, [13:45] what I'm more interested in [13:46] is that it's not about [13:48] each individual instance [13:49] of the culture war. [13:50] Okay, let me get [13:51] more specific. [13:52] Feminism has affected [13:53] family culture, [13:54] which is a big part [13:55] of the American culture. [13:56] Feminism... [13:57] Well, forever. [13:57] Yeah, I mean... [13:58] Well, feminism is the reason [13:59] why the birth control pill exists. [14:02] Thank goodness, yeah. [14:03] Feminism is the reason [14:04] why abortion is at a [14:06] very statistically high rate. [14:08] Are you against [14:08] the birth control pill? [14:10] I think that [14:11] birth control pills [14:12] are bad, yes. [14:13] Why? [14:13] Because they actually [14:15] can lead to infertility. [14:17] So, even... [14:18] So, again, [14:19] this is the second [14:20] infertility argument. [14:21] You guys are really [14:21] obsessed with infertility. [14:22] The point is [14:23] that each side [14:24] is going to blame the other [14:25] for starting [14:25] a specific culture war. [14:27] So, for example, [14:27] there's a stat, [14:28] like, according to Pew Research, [14:29] if you asked Americans [14:30] who's responsible [14:31] for religion in schools, right? [14:32] You know how some Republicans [14:33] are trying to force [14:34] the Ten Commandments [14:34] in schools? [14:35] 52% of Americans [14:36] say that Republicans [14:37] are going too far [14:39] trying to push religion [14:40] down our throats. [14:41] But, likewise, [14:41] 48% of Americans [14:43] say that secular liberals [14:44] are to blame [14:46] for pulling religion [14:47] too much out of schools, right? [14:48] Well, let's go [14:48] constitutionally speaking. [14:49] We're not teaching [14:51] the Koran in schools, right? [14:53] Because we are not founded [14:54] by that kind of, [14:55] like, by that book. [14:57] If anything, [14:57] the Constitution [14:58] had God in mind, [14:59] had Christianity in mind. [15:01] So, when we're talking [15:02] about American conservatives, [15:03] the reason why [15:04] some of them [15:05] might be interested [15:06] in pushing Bible [15:07] or something, [15:08] because the Bible [15:09] is one of the most [15:09] influential books [15:10] in history. [15:11] So, listen, [15:11] I wasn't saying [15:12] that we shouldn't necessarily [15:13] have any religion [15:14] or we should. [15:14] My point was [15:15] is that each side [15:16] is going to blame [15:16] the other [15:17] for starting the war. [15:18] So, you guys [15:19] might be obsessed with... [15:19] Well, because you guys [15:20] did start the war, [15:21] all the conservatives [15:22] have done [15:22] has tried to prevent [15:24] you guys from... [15:24] I'm trying to find [15:25] some common ground. [15:26] I'm going to find [15:26] some common ground. [15:27] You guys might say [15:28] you're obsessed [15:28] with the trans issue [15:29] or we might say [15:30] you're obsessed [15:30] with the trans issue [15:31] but you guys might say, [15:31] well, it's because [15:32] the liberals started [15:33] the trans issue [15:34] in the first place, right? [15:34] Just like vice versa [15:35] with the religions, [15:36] whatever it is. [15:37] My point is that [15:38] we're comparing [15:39] who's more focused [15:40] on the entirety [15:41] of culture issues [15:42] versus the actual [15:44] bread and butter issues [15:45] like the economy, [15:46] healthcare, affordability [15:48] and on that metric, [15:49] it's not even close. [15:50] You guys are way more [15:52] focused on cultural issues. [15:52] I like how you're pivoting [15:53] from the subject [15:55] where I'm talking about. [15:56] No, that's the umbrella [15:58] of what we're talking about. [15:59] You guys are obsessed [16:00] with culture war issues [16:01] specifically [16:02] versus bread and butter. [16:02] Because everything's [16:03] working on the micro level. [16:04] Like, maybe I will pivot [16:06] a bit here [16:06] and talk about [16:07] the black culture, [16:08] about how the reason [16:09] why black culture [16:10] is suffering [16:10] is because the nuclear family [16:12] is broken down. [16:13] So this goes down [16:14] back to the infertility thing [16:15] about how the family [16:17] needs to stay together [16:18] and the family [16:18] needs to be protected [16:20] even in an educational level, [16:22] in institutional levels. [16:24] And that is something [16:25] that we in the conservative [16:26] movement are trying [16:26] to protect. [16:27] And do you have any data [16:29] to back up [16:30] that the black family [16:31] is suffering? [16:32] Okay, so one in four [16:34] black families [16:35] has a dad. [16:35] That's 75% of black families [16:37] do not have fathers. [16:39] And that's an issue [16:40] that none of us [16:41] would, you know, [16:42] not say is not [16:42] a serious issue, [16:43] by the way, [16:44] essentially, [16:44] if that's the stats. [16:44] And maybe if there [16:45] was a dad... [16:46] All right, David, [16:47] I see you pushed your button. [16:48] Which claim [16:49] would you like that check? [16:49] She said that 75% [16:51] of black families [16:52] do not have fathers. [16:54] Fact checkers, [16:54] do your thing. [16:55] The comments [16:56] are going to explode. [16:57] The comments are going to say, [16:58] Jubilee is so biased. [16:59] Doesn't that count? [17:00] I can make an outrageous claim [17:03] if you want to get up here. [17:06] I'm trying to win, bro. [17:07] I don't give a fuck. [17:07] Yeah, yeah. [17:08] All right, Enya, [17:10] you made the claim [17:10] that 75% of black families [17:12] do not have fathers. [17:14] The verdict is in, [17:15] and that claim is false. [17:19] According to a 2018 Pew study, [17:21] about half of all black children [17:22] live with a single mother, [17:24] but that is significantly less [17:25] than 75%. [17:27] Thank you, Enya, [17:29] for your turn to the podium. [17:30] Gerard, you can take a seat. [17:32] Gerard, how are we doing? [17:33] Nice to meet you. [17:34] Gerard, your time starts now. [17:36] What do you got? [17:37] All right, so here's the reason [17:38] why I think the liberals [17:39] are more responsible. [17:40] The culture war [17:41] didn't start yesterday. [17:42] It's been going on [17:42] for decades, right? [17:43] Let's look at where we were [17:45] on the culture war in the 90s [17:46] versus where we are now. [17:47] And where we were in the 90s [17:49] is every Democrat politician, [17:51] Hillary Clinton, anyone, [17:52] would sound like [17:53] a far-right extremist today. [17:54] And that's because [17:55] the left has relentlessly [17:56] fought the culture war [17:57] for the last 30 years, [17:58] and the conservatives [17:59] have basically conceded [18:01] on nearly every issue. [18:02] Abortion is the weird exception [18:03] that conservatives won't cede on. [18:05] But every other issue, [18:06] gay marriage, [18:07] immigration for cultural reasons, [18:09] conservatives keep ceding ground [18:10] and ceding ground [18:11] up until Donald Trump came in. [18:12] You think the conservatives [18:13] are ceding on immigration [18:15] as of lately? [18:15] I said until Donald Trump came in. [18:17] Because if you look [18:17] under George W. Bush, [18:18] he was actually almost as radical [18:20] as Joe Biden [18:21] as far as immigration. [18:22] He didn't build [18:23] a meaningful border wall. [18:24] He built some pathetic little things. [18:25] And Biden, [18:25] they called him [18:26] the deporter-in-chief. [18:28] So I know immigration is chief. [18:28] Well, I know, [18:28] and Obama gets credit [18:29] for the most deportations [18:31] of anyone all the time. [18:31] But of course, [18:32] those books are cooked, [18:33] and you know that. [18:34] Okay, but listen. [18:34] Because they count border turnovers. [18:36] Do you have a counter [18:37] to my broader claim [18:38] of that? [18:38] The fact that Republicans [18:39] and conservatives [18:40] focus way more [18:41] on cultural issues [18:42] than bread and butter [18:43] economic issues. [18:44] Like health care, [18:45] affordability, [18:46] climate change. [18:46] Donald Trump has called [18:47] two of those three things [18:48] a hoax. [18:49] He's called two of those [18:49] three things a hoax. [18:50] The reason conservatives [18:51] focus on these cultural issues [18:52] is because you guys [18:53] make them up. [18:53] Okay, so this brings us [18:55] to the issue. [18:56] Here's what you're not saying, [18:56] right? [18:57] You're the offense, [18:57] we're the defense. [18:58] You make up a new claim, [18:59] and then we're like, [19:00] well, I don't want [19:01] to do that. [19:01] Like, it's tomorrow. [19:02] Every time you say it. [19:03] What's a claim [19:03] that the liberals [19:04] have made up? [19:05] So transgenderism, [19:06] for example, [19:06] was not a hot topic issue [19:08] in 2001. [19:08] Sure, it existed, [19:09] but it wasn't the hot topic [19:10] issue it is today. [19:11] Because the left [19:12] has been pushing [19:13] puberty blockers [19:13] on children [19:14] without parental consent [19:15] in some states, [19:16] by the way. [19:16] Fact check that. [19:17] There are states [19:18] that allow puberty blockers [19:19] on kids without parental consent. [19:21] Because you push things [19:22] like that. [19:22] So yeah, the Republicans [19:23] kind of push back [19:24] and say don't do that. [19:25] You can do this [19:25] for every topic, [19:26] by the way, [19:26] a chicken or the egg. [19:27] You can say, [19:27] well, we're focused [19:28] on trans [19:28] because you're not [19:29] focused on trans. [19:29] We're focused on religion [19:30] because you're ignoring religion. [19:31] It's not chicken or the egg. [19:32] It's offense, defense. [19:33] You guys made the issue [19:34] before you guys [19:35] started giving puberty [19:35] blockers to kids. [19:36] There wasn't this issue. [19:37] So then you will concede [19:38] that Republicans are, [19:40] even if we're forcing you to, [19:41] are more focused [19:42] on the cultural issues. [19:43] We're the defense. [19:44] Okay, so you are. [19:45] Who's more focused [19:45] on the Ukraine war, [19:47] Russia or Ukraine? [19:48] Who would you say [19:48] is more focused [19:49] on the Ukraine war, [19:49] Russia or Ukraine? [19:50] I don't even know [19:51] how to answer that. [19:51] It's Ukraine [19:52] because they're being invaded, right? [19:53] The country that's being attacked, [19:55] the defense, [19:56] is a little more focused [19:57] on the war than the offense. [19:58] You guys have offense. [19:59] So why did Donald Trump [19:59] call affordability [20:00] a Democrat hoax [20:01] and climate change a hoax? [20:02] He's not focused [20:03] on the issues [20:03] that affect everyday Americans. [20:05] Trans issues, for example. [20:06] You think climate change [20:06] affects everyday Americans? [20:07] We're talking about like... [20:08] Is your statement [20:09] climate change affects [20:10] everyday Americans? [20:10] Other than Trump, [20:11] because the whole party [20:11] is not Trump. [20:12] What about Congress? [20:13] Well, okay, [20:14] but Congress has done [20:15] Trump's bidding. [20:16] Everything... [20:17] Oh, no, they have not. [20:18] Every time Trump says... [20:18] Are you kidding me? [20:19] Every time they disagree [20:20] with Trump, [20:20] he has to campaign [20:21] against them [20:22] in the primaries. [20:23] Every time... [20:23] He'll do that [20:24] on certain issues [20:24] like with Massey [20:25] you're talking about, [20:25] but a lot of things [20:26] the Congress [20:27] will not push things through. [20:28] Where's the SAVE Act? [20:29] We were promised [20:29] the SAVE Act. [20:30] Congress won't get that through. [20:31] What's going on there? [20:32] Well, Democrats [20:33] won't get it through as well. [20:35] I know, but the Republicans [20:35] are in control of Congress. [20:36] Why aren't they getting it through [20:37] if they do Donald Trump's bidding [20:38] like you claimed, [20:39] which is false? [20:40] Well, there's a filibuster, [20:40] number one, [20:41] but also some people [20:42] are against the SAVE Act [20:42] because they know [20:44] it's a cultural issue [20:45] and it's not an issue. [20:46] You think the SAVE Act [20:47] is a cultural issue? [20:47] Wait, was the 2020 election? [20:48] Who won the 2020 election? [20:49] Joe Biden won the 2020 election. [20:51] Now back to my question. [20:51] So it wasn't rigged. [20:52] The SAVE Act is a cultural issue. [20:53] Voter ID in elections [20:54] is a culture war issue. [20:56] This is a perfect example [20:57] of you guys are turning it [20:58] into the culture war issue. [20:59] How is it a cultural issue [21:00] to want voter ID in elections? [21:02] First off, [21:02] I think 36 states out of the 50 [21:04] have voter ID already as it is. [21:06] Not this one. [21:07] The one we're in right now, [21:08] California. [21:08] Okay, 36 states [21:09] already have voter ID. [21:10] Why not 50? [21:11] We can have 50. [21:12] Let's make the deal. [21:13] Cool. [21:13] You'll agree to the SAVE Act today. [21:15] To parts of the SAVE Act. [21:16] To the voter ID card, yes. [21:17] Voter ID. National voter ID. 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[23:05] Yeah, so when we're talking [23:06] about foreign policy, [23:07] especially with the midterms [23:08] coming up, [23:08] I think it's important [23:09] to look at some of the candidates. [23:10] When we look at someone [23:11] like Abdul El-Sayed, [23:12] he campaigned with Hassan Piker, [23:13] who said that America [23:14] is the top dog in terrorism. [23:15] He said America deserved 9-11. [23:17] He said that Hezbollah [23:18] and the Houthis are just. [23:19] The Houthi slogan includes [23:20] death to America, [23:21] death to Israel, [23:22] and a curse upon the Jews. [23:23] He said that Hamas [23:23] is a thousand times [23:24] better than Israel. [23:25] And this is the guy [23:26] Al-Sayed thought [23:26] it would be wise [23:27] to invite to campaign [23:28] alongside of him. [23:29] And Al-Sayed himself [23:30] has not... [23:31] He's disavowed him [23:31] since then, right? [23:32] No. [23:33] You guys can fact check that, [23:34] by the way. [23:34] He directly stated he's not... [23:35] He has not disavowed Hassan Piker. [23:37] Well, to be clear, [23:37] that's just not true. [23:38] The prompt is, [23:39] which side, [23:39] not which particular candidate [23:41] or if there's any radicals [23:42] in each party. [23:43] There's a reason why [23:44] you want to pinpoint... [23:45] There's a reason why [23:47] you want to pinpoint [23:48] on a particular individual... [23:49] All right, Jake, [23:51] I see you pushed your button. [23:52] Which claim would you like [23:53] to have fact-checked? [23:54] I want to fact-check [23:55] Hayden's claim [23:55] that Abdul Al-Sayed [23:56] has not disavowed [23:58] Hassan Piker, [23:59] which he has done [24:00] multiple times. [24:01] All right. [24:03] There should be [24:03] some kind of music playing. [24:04] Right? [24:05] Don't rush them, though. [24:07] Hayden, you made the claim [24:08] that Abdul Al-Sayed [24:10] did not disavow Hassan Piker. [24:12] The verdict is in, [24:14] and that is true. [24:17] Al-Sayed has condemned [24:18] some of Piker's [24:19] specific comments, [24:20] but he has not [24:21] disavowed Piker himself. [24:23] In September, [24:24] Al-Sayed was pressed [24:25] to 100% disavow Piker, [24:28] and Al-Sayed did not. [24:29] That's pretty bad. [24:31] Sorry, David. [24:32] Pretty bad. [24:33] That was your show. [24:34] Oh, that was a tricky one. [24:35] The split house couldn't survive! [24:39] You're over, bro. [24:40] I'm loving it. [24:41] Five seconds. [24:42] Bro, I'm sorry. [24:42] Ryan, your time starts now. [24:45] Hi. [24:45] I feel like I jumped [24:46] in the middle of what was [24:47] about to be a really [24:48] interesting conversation. [24:50] I guess my question for you is [24:52] do you feel that Donald Trump [24:54] has made our military better? [24:57] Has made our military better? [24:59] I would say probably. [25:01] Yeah. [25:02] Why? [25:05] I mean, in particular, [25:06] I think striking Iran, [25:07] I think it was wise. [25:08] We have Hezbollah now. [25:09] The Lebanese government [25:11] is turning on Hezbollah. [25:12] I think that's good. [25:12] Iranian proxies [25:13] are becoming weaker, [25:14] so I think overall [25:15] that's generally good [25:15] for the United States. [25:16] As far as the military [25:17] specifically getting stronger, [25:18] I think Pete Hegseth [25:19] was actually a pretty good appointee. [25:21] I think that he's bringing [25:21] a lot of masculinity [25:22] to the administration [25:24] that was probably lacking [25:25] in prior administrations. [25:26] Well, I mean, [25:27] we disagree on what masculinity is [25:29] because I don't think [25:30] it requires being drunk. [25:32] But I am interested [25:34] in what you said [25:34] about striking Iran, [25:35] so just to make sure [25:36] I understand, [25:36] you think striking Iran [25:37] was good even though [25:39] it has now spilled over [25:40] into other countries. [25:41] Yeah, I think striking Iran [25:43] and weakening their proxies [25:44] was good. [25:45] I don't really like [25:46] the idea of Iran [25:47] trying to develop [25:48] a nuclear weapon [25:49] and I don't like the idea [25:50] of Houthis and Hezbollah [25:51] having a lot of power [25:52] in the Middle East. [25:53] You realize that the JCPOA, [25:55] which was signed pre-Trump, [25:57] that Trump then tore up, [25:59] was an agreement [25:59] superior to anything [26:01] Trump has struck with Iran [26:02] about keeping [26:03] their nuclear capabilities at bay. [26:05] Like it was, [26:06] Trump came into office [26:07] with a deal in place [26:09] that is better than [26:10] any deal that has been [26:10] made since [26:11] about holding Iran [26:13] from keeping them [26:14] from having nuclear missiles. [26:16] Like that's, [26:17] like Trump has threatened, [26:19] he's been bombastic, [26:20] he's said, [26:21] oh I'm going to pressure [26:22] these people, [26:22] I'm the best badass [26:24] in the world, [26:24] whatever. [26:25] But there's no agreement [26:27] in place now [26:28] and there was [26:29] when he first came [26:30] into office. [26:31] Do you think that Iran [26:31] was following the JCPOA? [26:34] I think the truth on that [26:37] is probably classified information. [26:38] I don't know, [26:42] here's the thing [26:42] about the JCPOA. [26:43] If they weren't, [26:44] do you think it would [26:44] be justified to strike? [26:47] Perhaps, [26:47] but I would prefer [26:48] other less lethal [26:50] and massive options first. [26:52] The JCPOA had really clear [26:54] and specific review [26:56] and oversight [26:56] over Iran's entire, [26:58] everything they did [26:59] with nuclear material, [27:00] period. [27:01] So there was review built in [27:02] and if they weren't [27:03] keeping up with it, [27:03] then you know, [27:04] I believe that the agreement [27:06] already had, [27:07] like, I don't know, [27:08] what happens to them [27:10] in place, [27:10] I think so. [27:11] But generally, [27:11] we would have known [27:12] because we would be able [27:13] to go in and directly [27:13] look at their stuff. [27:15] Do you think this might [27:15] have been a really good [27:16] opportunity for us? [27:17] Because if we were to wait [27:18] and just assume that, [27:19] you know, [27:19] they're not going to acquire [27:20] nuclear weapons, [27:20] they might actually be able [27:21] to develop more missile [27:22] capacity, [27:23] which would make it [27:23] more difficult for us [27:24] to then later strike. [27:25] So would you consider [27:25] maybe this was a good [27:26] opportunity for us [27:27] to actually go and strike? [27:28] Because that would be my [27:28] perspective. [27:29] No, I'm not. [27:32] I mean, if anything, [27:33] I think we would hope [27:36] that if we kill the leader [27:37] of Iran that the people [27:39] rise up and, you know, [27:40] reclaim the democracy [27:41] they used to have. [27:42] Okay, just to keep [27:43] things moving forward, [27:44] Hayden, do you have [27:45] another example why [27:46] Republicans have a stronger [27:47] foreign policy? [27:48] Yeah, I mean, [27:48] you have to look at [27:49] al-Sayed and understand [27:50] that he has been endorsed [27:51] by Kamala Harris, [27:52] by Bernie Sanders, [27:53] by AOC. [27:54] And so if you look [27:54] at the direction [27:55] the Democratic Party [27:56] is moving, [27:56] it is moving towards [27:57] siding with jihadists [27:58] like Hezbollah, [27:59] like the Houthis. [28:00] Even al-Sayed himself [28:01] on his campaign website [28:02] says he wants an arms [28:03] embargo against Israel [28:04] and that he rejects [28:04] the false differentiation [28:05] between offensive [28:06] and defensive weapons. [28:07] An arms embargo [28:08] is not just cutting off [28:09] U.S. aid to Israel, [28:09] it's making it so that [28:10] private American military [28:11] companies can't sell [28:12] things like Tamir [28:13] interceptors to Israel [28:14] for their Iron Dome, [28:16] which is essentially like [28:16] if someone was pointing [28:17] a gun at me [28:18] and I had a bulletproof vest on, [28:19] someone ripping the [28:19] bulletproof vest away. [28:20] If they're doing that, [28:21] they're clearly siding [28:22] with the person [28:24] to make it so that [28:24] Israel can't have [28:25] interceptors for Iron Dome, [28:26] he's clearly siding [28:27] with the Houthis, [28:28] with Hezbollah [28:28] and with Palestinian [28:29] Islamic jihad. [28:30] And so if we actually [28:31] want to have a foreign policy [28:32] that reflects the interests [28:34] of the United States, [28:35] we can't be sending [28:35] someone to the U.S. Senate [28:36] who is siding [28:37] with terror organizations. [28:39] I mean, I guess [28:40] I don't have specific [28:42] knowledge of what [28:43] you just said, [28:44] so I'll take your word [28:44] for it. [28:45] I don't think, though, [28:47] generally what you said [28:48] is representative [28:49] of the whole. [28:51] I think that's really... [28:53] I mean, he was endorsed [28:53] by Kamala Harris. [28:54] That's about as [28:54] mainstream as you can get. [28:56] Look, I think you [28:57] and I both know [28:58] that members [28:58] of both our parties [28:59] can be isolated out [29:00] and made to look [29:00] embarrassing to everybody else. [29:02] That's not special [29:03] to Abdul. [29:04] It's not special [29:05] to Mitch McConnell [29:06] right now. [29:07] It's not special [29:08] to any one of the people [29:09] in the party. [29:10] I understand why [29:10] that might feel like... [29:12] A dodge. [29:14] Maybe, or maybe [29:15] you feel like [29:15] it's a trend, [29:16] but the reality is [29:17] you cannot prove [29:18] that the Democratic Party's [29:20] position is to [29:21] disarm Israel. [29:22] You can't prove that. [29:23] Well, respectfully, [29:25] if that wasn't... [29:26] We're going to pause here [29:26] because we haven't had [29:27] anything that can be [29:28] truly fact-checked, [29:29] so we're going to [29:29] switch out to the podium. [29:30] I appreciate that. [29:31] All right, Parker, Austin, [29:32] you guys are in. [29:33] Have a seat. [29:34] All right, Parker, [29:35] your time starts now. [29:36] Yeah, so if I were to compare [29:37] the two sides on foreign policy, [29:38] I would definitely say [29:39] that Democrats would be [29:40] preferable on foreign policy here. [29:41] Since Trump started [29:42] the war with Iran, [29:43] it's caused inflation [29:43] to go up all around the world. [29:44] It's distanced us [29:45] from our allies [29:46] all around the world, [29:47] and it's created us [29:48] to be in a worse [29:48] set of circumstances, [29:50] whereas prior, [29:50] under the JCPOA, [29:51] we had capped their level [29:52] of enrichment of uranium [29:53] at 3.67% [29:54] with unprecedented levels [29:55] of surveillance [29:56] over their nuclear [29:56] enrichment facilities, [29:57] which would have been [29:58] in place until 2030 [29:59] on the nuclear enrichment side, [30:01] which we could have [30:02] renegotiated from that position. [30:03] So it still would have [30:03] been in place today. [30:04] Donald Trump pulled us [30:05] out of that agreement, [30:06] which led to them [30:07] enriching their uranium [30:07] up to 60%, [30:09] which is what the U.S. [30:10] intelligence indicated. [30:11] And we, [30:12] through Operation Midnight Hammer, [30:13] got rid of that [30:14] without starting a war. [30:15] So Trump started a war [30:16] without actually preventing them [30:18] from getting nuclear weapons [30:19] through the war. [30:19] It's that the prior actions [30:21] of Midnight Hammer [30:21] prevented that. [30:22] So the war was [30:23] significantly worse off. [30:24] So if I'm comparing [30:24] foreign policy-wise, [30:26] the Democrats still wanted [30:27] to prevent them [30:27] from getting a nuclear weapon, [30:28] i.e. the JCPOA, [30:29] and that Midnight Hammer [30:30] was on the table. [30:32] But when it comes to Republicans, [30:33] the war is on the table. [30:34] Hold on. [30:34] With the JCPOA, [30:36] are you going to say, [30:38] are you willing to say [30:39] that the Iranian government [30:40] was explicitly following [30:41] the terms and conditions [30:42] of the JCPOA? [30:43] Because the Trump administration [30:43] argued that they did not [30:45] follow that agreement [30:46] and that it was a bad, [30:47] to quote Trump, [30:48] he said it was a bad deal [30:49] that Obama gave him. [30:49] It was a horrible deal. [30:50] So are you, [30:52] how confident are you [30:52] in making the statement [30:53] that Iran was actually [30:54] following the terms [30:55] set out in the JCPOA? [30:57] I'm very confident [30:57] that prior to Trump [30:58] pulling out of the JCPOA [30:59] that they were following [31:00] the terms. [31:01] You could say after the point [31:02] that Trump- [31:02] I would love to have somebody [31:03] push a button right now [31:03] because there's obviously [31:04] what we're now looking at [31:06] is new because the, [31:07] no, no, no. [31:08] The Trump administration, [31:09] the president of the United States [31:10] said on the record, [31:11] now whether or not [31:11] the president's lying [31:12] is what we can fact check, [31:13] obviously, [31:13] but he stated that Iran [31:15] was not following [31:15] the terms of the deal [31:16] and also Barack Obama, [31:18] did he not give more [31:19] than $1.2 billion [31:20] to Iran as a part [31:23] of the JCPOA? [31:24] Did that not happen? [31:25] Yeah, so that was [31:25] a part of it because- [31:26] Exactly. [31:26] So why would you get- [31:27] Can I explain? [31:28] Yeah, go ahead. [31:29] So it's because apparently [31:30] we had stole stuff [31:31] from them in the past. [31:32] What did we steal? [31:32] And it was, [31:33] I can't remember, [31:34] I think it was arms. [31:35] We stole arms from Iran? [31:35] Don't take me very seriously. [31:36] Yeah, I think it was back there [31:37] around like the 80s or something. [31:38] No, no, [31:39] that was the Iran-Contra-Fair [31:40] where the United States [31:40] I'm trying to explain. [31:43] So we didn't steal anything. [31:45] Okay, so that's what the terms [31:46] of the agreement established [31:47] was that they had that [31:48] and that was like the money [31:49] that we stole [31:50] plus built up interest. [31:51] So that was to get them [31:52] in good faith [31:53] to then agree with the conditions [31:54] of the JCPOA, [31:55] which clearly worked. [31:56] Trump hasn't established [31:57] a JCPOA-like condition. [31:59] And actually Trump, again, [32:00] he said it was justified [32:01] to start the war [32:02] because he wants to prevent them [32:02] from getting a nuke, [32:03] but he's not actually preventing them [32:04] from getting a nuke [32:05] by starting the war [32:05] because Operation Midnight Hammer [32:07] already did that. [32:08] No U.S. intelligence indicated [32:09] they were building it up [32:10] since that original strike. [32:11] That's what Tulsi Gabbard, [32:11] the director of national intelligence, [32:12] testified in front of Congress. [32:14] So it's very, very clear [32:15] this war is not preventing them [32:16] from getting a nuclear weapon. [32:17] So what are we really [32:18] benefiting from the war? [32:19] They've closed the Strait of Ramoose. [32:20] It's increased prices [32:21] for all of us around the world [32:22] and the U.S. [32:23] You will never hear me [32:24] on the record say [32:24] that I think that we're [32:25] benefiting from that war. [32:26] We're not. [32:26] War is a wreck. [32:27] And I've said this on my TikTok [32:28] a thousand times. [32:29] I'm going to continue to say it. [32:30] We have no business [32:31] being in Iran. [32:32] That being said, [32:33] I want to go back. [32:33] I mean, that's nothing [32:34] to shake on, Parker. [32:35] That's common sense. [32:36] Like, I'm America first, [32:37] not, I'm sorry. [32:39] Not according to Republicans, apparently. [32:40] Well, this is why [32:41] some of them call me [32:42] a commie conservative, [32:44] which is bullshit. [32:45] But the point is, [32:46] the point is that [32:47] I would love somebody [32:48] to push the button [32:49] to address the claim [32:51] that you made [32:51] that Iran, [32:52] well, one, [32:53] that we stole arms from them [32:53] because there's no evidence. [32:54] What you were referencing [32:55] was the Iran Contra affair [32:56] where the United States [32:57] actually sold weapons [33:00] to, I believe it was the, [33:02] sold weapons to, [33:03] sold missiles to Iran [33:04] and then we gave the profits [33:05] from those sales [33:06] to the Contras [33:07] during that conflict. [33:08] But there's no evidence [33:09] at all that the United States [33:10] actually stole arms from Iran. [33:12] Now, it's granted [33:12] we've been at war with Iran [33:13] for over, what was it, [33:14] 40, 48 years? [33:16] 40, 40, [33:16] between 46, 48 years [33:17] we've been in some form [33:18] of conflict with Iran. [33:20] However, [33:20] you will never hear me [33:21] make the argument [33:23] that the war is benefiting us. [33:25] But there's still no proof [33:26] that the, [33:27] that to this claim, [33:28] either side actually [33:29] has stronger foreign policy [33:30] because if we did, [33:31] then the United States [33:33] wouldn't be involved [33:34] in foreign wars [33:35] and have been involved [33:36] since the 90s actually, [33:38] since the 1990s. [33:39] You agree, [33:39] it's preferable. [33:39] Sorry, Austin, [33:40] can you tell us historically [33:41] why Republicans [33:42] have been stronger [33:43] in foreign policy? [33:44] I'm not, [33:44] I'm not going to make the claim [33:45] that Republicans have been. [33:47] I'm saying that both [33:48] political parties, [33:49] the left and the right, [33:49] have colluded [33:50] to maintain the war economy. [33:52] And the chief source [33:53] on that is actually [33:53] Smith of the Butler [33:54] who wrote one of the best [33:55] essays on this of all time [33:56] where he said [33:57] that war is a racket. [33:58] It is the, [33:58] it is the only economic activity [33:59] in which the profits [34:00] are always reckoned in dollars [34:01] and the losses in lives. [34:02] So the entire United States [34:04] government has been complicit [34:05] in maintaining the war economy. [34:07] And that's the truth. [34:08] That's not, [34:08] and that's not partisan at all. [34:09] That's just being honest. [34:11] Well, I would say actually [34:11] there's a lot of Democrats [34:12] and Republicans, [34:12] both sides, [34:13] that have absolutely [34:14] been pro-war [34:15] and that's something I dispute. [34:16] And I think on both sides [34:16] we can agree [34:17] we should be more anti-war. [34:18] I'm on that side [34:18] of the liberal side. [34:19] But the point I would say [34:20] is that you agree with me [34:21] that no war with Iran [34:23] is preferable. [34:23] No. [34:24] The Democrats like Kamala Harris [34:25] would have had no war with Iran. [34:26] Right, I believe that [34:27] that would have happened [34:28] if she was in office. [34:29] I don't think so. [34:29] It did start the war with Iran. [34:30] So wouldn't you say [34:31] that Democrats' foreign policy [34:32] would be preferable [34:33] if that were true? [34:34] In that one specific instance, [34:35] that specific foreign policy [34:37] would be superior [34:38] because it would avoid war. [34:39] I mean, but again, [34:40] there's no way to prove [34:42] that Kamala Harris [34:43] would have not engaged [34:45] in some form of conflict [34:46] with Iran [34:47] because we know for a fact [34:48] that Benjamin Netanyahu [34:49] had been pressuring [34:50] not only the Trump administration, [34:52] which he finally convinced [34:52] to go to war, [34:53] but he had been pressuring [34:53] the Biden administration [34:54] to attack Iran. [34:55] He also pressured [34:56] the Obama administration [34:56] to attack Iran. [34:57] And so again, [34:58] this is not something [34:59] that's partisan. [35:00] I'm an honest conservative, [35:01] guys. [35:01] I can't sit up here [35:02] and lie, [35:02] especially not [35:03] when the fact checks [35:03] are going. [35:04] All right, all right. [35:04] So Austin, [35:05] is there something under Trump, [35:06] a policy that Trump [35:07] has implemented [35:08] that has made [35:09] foreign policy stronger? [35:11] No. [35:13] Okay. [35:14] At least they agree. [35:15] No. [35:15] No. [35:16] I'm not going to sit here. [35:17] No, because... [35:18] All right, [35:18] because it seems like [35:19] you guys actually [35:19] kind of agree. [35:20] We're going to rotate you out. [35:22] This was a good one. [35:23] I got you back. [35:24] Thank you both. [35:24] We're still one-one-one. [35:26] You got it, bro. [35:26] I kind of hate it [35:28] because I agree. [35:30] You also agree? [35:31] I do. [35:31] The clock's still going. [35:32] Well, I mean, [35:32] we're right, so... [35:33] True! [35:34] Well, and you're welcome [35:36] to the table. [35:36] Your time starts now. [35:38] I'd like to talk about Reagan [35:39] because I think a lot [35:40] of what is happening [35:41] in the modern times [35:42] does look pretty bad [35:43] in the conservative movement. [35:45] But how about historically [35:46] because that is... [35:47] I think that it's [35:48] an important take [35:49] on which side [35:50] has the stronger [35:51] foreign policy record [35:52] is the historical part of it. [35:53] So let's talk about [35:54] Reagan and the Cold War. [35:55] Why would we go back [35:56] 40 years [35:57] rather than talking about [35:57] the modern Republicans [35:59] and Democrats [35:59] Because I already said [36:00] that, yeah, [36:01] it's kind of a shit show. [36:03] Wait, so then you agree [36:04] with the prompt [36:04] that the left [36:05] and the liberals [36:06] are better off [36:07] on foreign policy [36:07] No, I think that [36:08] right now [36:10] that the Republicans [36:10] and the conservatives [36:11] are not doing a great job. [36:12] But I cannot say for certain [36:13] that the liberals [36:14] would have done a better job. [36:15] There's no way [36:16] to say for certain [36:16] because Kamala isn't president. [36:18] So if you don't even agree [36:19] that your side [36:20] is better on foreign policy, [36:21] I guess you don't really have [36:22] anybody to argue with them. [36:23] Historically, they are better. [36:25] Currently, they're not better. [36:26] Gorbachev and Reagan [36:27] was a big part [36:29] of the dissolution [36:30] of the Soviet Union. [36:31] The Berlin Wall came down. [36:33] Even though he wasn't [36:34] the one that [36:35] dissolved it completely, [36:37] I think the fall [36:37] of the Berlin Wall [36:38] was largely because [36:39] of him [36:40] and what he did [36:42] and the Republican Party [36:43] did during [36:44] especially the Cold War time. [36:45] Did Democrats historically [36:46] oppose the Soviet Union? [36:48] The answer is yes. [36:51] Yes. [36:51] So that's not a different point [36:52] on either side. [36:53] But the Republicans [36:54] did a better job. [36:55] How? [36:56] Can you name a specific? [36:58] No, not off the top of my head. [37:00] Okay. [37:00] So then what claim [37:01] are we even making? [37:02] I don't even think [37:03] we're making a specific claim [37:04] about Republicans [37:05] being better [37:06] or one side being better [37:07] about foreign policy. [37:07] It's about the [37:08] stronger foreign policy record. [37:11] So fine. [37:12] Tell me historically [37:13] in the past. [37:14] Can you tell me in the past [37:15] how Democrats [37:16] have done a better job then? [37:17] Yes. [37:18] Like, for example, [37:19] under the context [37:20] of the Biden-Harris administration... [37:21] We're still talking... [37:22] We don't talk about that now. [37:24] What about the before? [37:25] This is in the past. [37:25] It's the Biden-Harris administration [37:26] happened in the past. [37:27] Biden's modern. [37:28] That counts. [37:28] But it still happened [37:29] in the past, right? [37:29] All right, fine. [37:30] Continue. [37:30] Okay. [37:31] So the Biden-Harris administration, [37:32] according to Secretary Blinken, [37:33] was pressured by Israel [37:35] to fight and attack Hezbollah [37:37] under the context [37:38] of the Biden-Harris administration [37:39] because they claimed [37:40] that Hezbollah [37:40] was going to attack [37:41] the United States [37:42] so we should preemptively [37:42] strike them. [37:43] Biden said no [37:44] and it happened [37:44] to be false intelligence [37:45] that they weren't going [37:46] to strike us [37:47] or preemptively... [37:47] So there would have been [37:48] no reason for us [37:49] to preemptively strike them. [37:50] So it seems like [37:51] Israel's come to us [37:52] and tried to get Obama [37:53] and Biden [37:54] to engage in conflict [37:56] in the Middle East [37:57] and it seems like [37:57] they're lesser [37:58] in terms of likelihood [37:59] to engage in conflict [38:00] in the Middle East [38:01] on behalf of the state of Israel [38:02] as opposed to the Republicans [38:03] according to this example. [38:05] All right, [38:06] we're going to pause here. [38:07] We're out of time [38:07] for this prompt. [38:08] Thank you both. [38:09] You can return to the podium. [38:10] I release. [38:10] That's okay. [38:11] It's an unfortunate one. [38:13] All right, [38:13] the current score [38:14] is three to two. [38:15] Liberals are still in the lead. [38:17] The next checkmate prompt is [38:18] which side has a stronger record [38:19] on reducing crime [38:20] and improving public safety? [38:22] Gerard and Jake, [38:23] you guys can have a seat. [38:25] Oh, again? [38:26] Oh, Lord. [38:28] Jake, your time starts now. [38:31] We were talking [38:31] about the SAVE Act earlier. [38:33] My claim, [38:34] well, hold up. [38:35] This is important [38:36] because my claim [38:36] is that Republicans [38:37] care more about [38:38] dead people voting [38:39] than dead children [38:40] getting a shot in the face. [38:42] That's why Republicans [38:42] never really vote [38:44] in majority favor [38:44] of any pieces [38:45] of gun legislation [38:46] in this country, [38:47] but they will throw [38:47] all their effort [38:48] on dead people voting, [38:49] something that barely exists [38:50] according to all the studies. [38:52] Okay, so you want us [38:54] to be tougher on crime? [38:56] On children [38:57] getting shot in the face, yes. [38:58] Okay, so if I told you [38:59] there was a law [39:00] that said felons [39:01] cannot possess firearms, [39:02] would you support that, right? [39:05] Mostly, yeah. [39:05] It depends. [39:06] You think some felons [39:06] should have guns? [39:07] Well, it depends [39:08] what the felony, [39:09] I guess, would be [39:10] because sometimes, [39:10] you know, [39:11] you can have a [39:11] drug possession felony [39:13] and then 40 years later, [39:15] you could say maybe [39:15] they could own a gun, [39:16] but broadly, no. [39:17] So in the state of California, [39:18] no felons can have guns [39:19] currently. [39:19] Okay. [39:20] Let's say someone's [39:21] got a felony [39:21] for armed robbery [39:23] and domestic violence felony, [39:24] okay, and then they have a gun. [39:26] What do you think [39:26] the punishment [39:27] for that should be? [39:28] What, getting a gun illegally? [39:30] For, like, illegally [39:30] possessing a firearm [39:31] while being a felon [39:32] domestic abuser. [39:33] Oh, that's a good question. [39:34] I don't know. [39:34] What should the punishment be? [39:35] Well, I can tell you [39:36] what it is in California [39:36] right now. [39:37] The maximum time [39:38] for the facts [39:39] I just gave you, [39:39] three years. [39:40] That's it. [39:40] Do you think [39:40] it should be higher [39:41] or lower? [39:42] Three years [39:43] for possessing a gun? [39:44] I thought you guys [39:45] were so pro-Second Amendment, [39:46] so now I'm confused. [39:47] I think law-abiding Americans [39:48] should absolutely have guns. [39:49] I think people [39:50] who have felony [39:50] domestic violence [39:51] So why do Republicans [39:52] never really vote [39:53] in any majority favor [39:54] on things like [39:54] the Brady Bill, [39:55] on things like [39:56] the Biden Bill [39:57] that tried to get passed [39:58] to close the boyfriend loophole? [40:00] Like, certain, [40:00] like, very common sense [40:01] gun legislations. [40:01] Those bills are taking [40:02] guns away from [40:03] law-abiding people. [40:04] Republicans would like [40:04] to punish criminals [40:05] who do actual serious crimes. [40:07] And the problem is [40:08] in the state of California, [40:09] which has been [40:09] Democrat-controlled [40:10] for a long time, [40:11] They're trying to [40:11] close loopholes. [40:12] So, like, [40:13] the boyfriend loophole [40:14] or closing the private [40:14] sale loophole, [40:15] do you think someone [40:16] should be able to [40:16] purchase a gun [40:17] on Facebook Marketplace? [40:18] Are you saying [40:19] a law-abiding citizen [40:20] or a criminal? [40:21] How could you know? [40:22] They're purchasing a gun? [40:23] What do you mean? [40:23] You're asking me [40:24] in a hypothetical scenario [40:25] should I... [40:26] No, it's not hypothetical. [40:27] It's a real scenario [40:28] in many states. [40:28] You can buy a gun [40:29] on Facebook Marketplace [40:30] or on a private sale [40:31] without any background check [40:32] at all. [40:33] Let me be clear. [40:33] Criminals should not have guns. [40:35] Law-abiding Americans should. [40:36] Agreed. [40:36] That's my position. [40:37] So why don't we pass laws [40:38] to make sure [40:39] that criminals [40:39] are not getting guns? [40:41] Why don't we make it harder? [40:42] We actually have [40:42] a lot of those laws. [40:43] It's currently a felony [40:44] for a criminal [40:44] to possess a gun in California. [40:45] And it's a felony [40:46] to illegally vote, [40:47] but you brought up [40:47] the SAVE Act so fervently. [40:49] Right, and so I'd like [40:49] an enforcement mechanism. [40:51] I'd also like [40:51] enforcement mechanisms [40:52] for these. [40:53] Wait, so what if... [40:54] But why do Republicans [40:55] never vote in majority [40:56] favor of any pieces [40:57] of gun legislation [40:57] that make it harder [40:59] for criminals to get guns? [41:01] Because that's not [41:01] what they're doing. [41:01] They're making it harder [41:02] for law-abiding people. [41:03] So your argument [41:03] is that the SAVE Act, [41:05] which makes it harder [41:06] for our constitutionally [41:07] abiding citizens to vote, [41:09] even if it's a little bit [41:10] harder to... [41:10] Not really, though. [41:10] Well, it does. [41:11] Yeah, sure it does. [41:12] If you move houses, [41:13] you have to resubmit [41:16] with a new password. [41:16] If you change your last name, [41:17] you have to resubmit [41:18] documentation. [41:18] You already have to do those things. [41:19] Yeah, you already have... [41:20] No, just like in life, [41:22] you have to update [41:22] your driver's license [41:23] normally if you do those things. [41:24] So what you're doing [41:25] is adding extra hurdles [41:26] to law-abiding citizens [41:27] to make it harder [41:28] for illegal people to vote, [41:29] which is fine. [41:30] And what you're talking about, [41:31] does that have something [41:32] to do with criminal public safety? [41:33] Yes, why don't we do [41:34] the same logic for gun rights? [41:35] Why can't we make it [41:36] a little bit harder [41:37] for law-abiding citizens [41:38] to own guns [41:39] so children don't get [41:40] shot in the face? [41:41] The leading cause of death [41:42] in the United States [41:43] for children is getting shot [41:44] in the frickin' chest and face. [41:46] It's abhorrent [41:47] that Republicans never [41:48] care about this. [41:48] So let me ask you this, then. [41:50] How about if we look at [41:51] who's doing the shooting, [41:52] would you be okay [41:53] punishing them harsher [41:54] and putting them in prison? [41:55] Because that's typically [41:56] where we lose our agreement. [41:58] When I say, [41:58] hey, this guy is 16 [42:00] and he shot someone, [42:01] because, by the way, [42:02] a lot of these school shootings [42:02] are done by other minors. [42:04] Minors don't get punished [42:05] for crimes harshly at all [42:06] in the state of California. [42:07] Would you be okay [42:08] fixing that? [42:08] Okay, why is it always [42:09] California? [42:10] One, that's where we live. [42:11] Two, California's [42:12] a great example [42:13] because that's a state [42:14] progressives have controlled [42:15] for a very long time, [42:16] and we're in the city [42:17] of Los Angeles, [42:18] a city controlled [42:18] by Democrats. [42:19] What are the crime stats? [42:21] They're pretty bad, dude. [42:22] Are they worse [42:23] than a lot of the red states? [42:24] When you say this, [42:26] you're asking me [42:26] are the crime stats [42:27] for Los Angeles [42:28] worse than a red state [42:29] as a whole? [42:29] Yeah, California. [42:30] Are you saying [42:31] are California's? [42:32] I want to know the question [42:33] so that I don't get [42:33] fat-checked on the technicality. [42:34] Sure, me neither, [42:35] but I think California [42:36] is in the bottom half [42:37] of crime per capita [42:39] compared to red states. [42:40] Are you talking about [42:40] property crime? [42:41] Violent crime. [42:42] As compared to red states? [42:44] Yeah. [42:44] Okay, so crime per capita. [42:45] So let me break down [42:46] that statistic. [42:47] So here's what's going on, right? [42:48] Crime statistics oftentimes [42:50] end up being misleading [42:51] in blue states [42:52] because report rates go down. [42:54] So we don't trust the reports. [42:55] Hold on. [42:55] Yes, let me explain why. [42:56] Okay. [42:56] Yeah, so the reporting [42:57] for crime stats [42:58] for federal aggregates [42:59] come from local departments, right? [43:01] And local departments [43:02] like Los Angeles Sheriff's Department [43:03] won't even take police reports [43:05] for misdemeanor thefts [43:06] from stores like Target [43:07] half the time. [43:08] So those stats [43:09] for property crimes [43:09] are being completely buried [43:11] because Target [43:12] doesn't even bother [43:12] calling the police [43:13] half the time. [43:13] Nordstrom's has given up [43:14] in a lot of ways [43:15] on asset protection [43:16] because the police [43:17] won't do anything. [43:18] And the reason the police [43:19] won't do anything [43:20] is because the laws [43:21] passed by the California [43:22] state legislature [43:23] completely controlled [43:23] by the Democrats. [43:24] Which laws? [43:24] Which laws? [43:25] Because first off, [43:25] I was talking about violent crime, [43:26] but if you want to go on petty theft. [43:27] All right, we're going to pause here. [43:28] We're about five minutes in [43:29] and no one has pushed a button. [43:30] I'll make the claim. [43:31] So we are going to rotate you out. [43:33] Thank you so much. [43:34] All right. [43:35] David, your time starts now. [43:38] I think it's impossible [43:39] to say the Republican Party [43:41] is in good standing [43:41] as of this moment [43:42] given, I'd say, [43:44] after the entry of Donald Trump [43:45] into American politics, [43:46] he's been using [43:47] government authority [43:48] and power [43:48] to reward criminals [43:51] for engaging [43:52] in acts against the state [43:53] on his behalf. [43:53] A good example [43:54] are the January 6ers. [43:55] And if there are people [43:56] attacking our Capitol, [43:58] assaulting our police [43:59] with the purpose [44:00] of overthrowing [44:01] American government, [44:02] that to me [44:02] is probably one of the most [44:04] significant crimes [44:05] an individual can engage in [44:06] and they shouldn't go unpunished. [44:07] But Donald Trump [44:08] and the Republican Party [44:09] think so. [44:11] I feel like it's relatively serious. [44:12] So I would actually agree [44:13] with you that anyone [44:13] who's assaulting an officer [44:15] or has participated [44:16] in January 6th, [44:17] they should face [44:17] some form of punishment. [44:18] Republicans, though. [44:19] Respectfully, [44:20] it's conservatives [44:20] versus liberals. [44:21] All I can do [44:21] is speak for myself [44:22] and I just express [44:23] agreement with you there. [44:23] Okay. [44:24] Now, one thing [44:25] that was mentioned earlier [44:25] was that the leading [44:27] cause of death [44:28] for children [44:28] is gun deaths. [44:30] That's very misleading, [44:31] though, [44:31] because that includes [44:31] 17, 18, and 19-year-olds. [44:33] You take them out, [44:34] that's no longer the case. [44:35] That's nice. [44:36] So you're talking to me. [44:36] Yeah, I know. [44:37] I just wanted to quickly correct. [44:38] Again, like I said, [44:39] it's which side, right? [44:40] That's the assumption? [44:41] Yeah. [44:42] Which side? [44:42] So broadly, [44:43] the Republican Party, [44:44] that meaning the party [44:44] of conservatives, [44:45] is in support of individuals [44:47] who did what? [44:49] Insurrected the Capitol [44:50] on January 6th [44:51] because they're not against [44:52] Donald Trump pardoning them. [44:53] I've heard that personally, right? [44:55] Yeah, so I just gave you [44:57] my position on the January 6th. [44:59] That's your position, [45:00] but we're referring to [45:01] which side is a better track record [45:02] with respect to crime. [45:03] I don't think Joe Biden [45:04] pardoned a January 6th [45:05] insurrectionist, right? [45:05] David, do you have [45:06] any more instances [45:07] other than the J6ers? [45:09] Well, in terms of magnitude, [45:10] that's probably [45:10] one of the most significant, [45:11] but Donald Trump [45:12] has also pardoned [45:12] numerous fraudsters [45:13] in this last term alone. [45:15] He pardoned Shang-Peng Zhao, [45:16] the former CEO of Binance, [45:17] as well, [45:18] who his platform [45:19] was being used [45:20] to facilitate deals [45:21] between relatively bad [45:22] non-state actors. [45:23] I think it's irrefutable [45:25] that as of this moment, [45:26] the Republican Party [45:27] is in very bad standing, [45:29] specifically as it pertains [45:29] to punishing criminals, [45:30] especially those that commit [45:31] terrorist acts [45:32] against the state. [45:32] Jesus Christ. [45:33] Yeah, so quick question. [45:34] I'm just curious. [45:34] Do you think that [45:35] illegal immigrants [45:36] should be amnestied? [45:38] Yeah. [45:39] Okay, so they have [45:40] violated immigration law. [45:42] Now, it's not necessarily [45:43] a criminal penalty, [45:44] but it is a civil violation, [45:45] but nevertheless, [45:45] it is a violation [45:46] of American laws. [45:47] How many people [45:48] do you want amnesty [45:48] in the United States? [45:49] Because we're talking [45:49] about millions of people [45:50] who are here unlawfully. [45:51] Yeah, and also, [45:52] when it comes to punishment, [45:53] it's a question of proportion. [45:54] An individual I don't think [45:55] should be punished [45:56] for committing a crime [45:57] with something so severe, [45:58] or sorry, [45:58] the same punishment [45:59] as an individual [45:59] who was charged [46:00] with citizenship conspiracy, [46:01] for example. [46:01] It should be locked away [46:02] for decades. [46:02] So I'm just curious. [46:03] No, I'm about to explain it to you. [46:04] Someone who's an unlawful immigrant. [46:05] So an unlawful immigrant, [46:06] probably a financial penalty [46:08] if they're there [46:09] to be granted amnesty. [46:10] Okay, so individuals [46:11] who are considering [46:12] crossing the border, [46:13] as long as they do the math [46:14] in their head [46:14] and determine that the return... [46:15] Amnesty's a one-time thing. [46:16] You're just traumatizing my position. [46:17] I didn't introduce [46:18] any policy here. [46:19] So respectfully, [46:20] you're saying that amnesty [46:20] is a one-time position. [46:21] It almost never is, [46:22] and the reason for that [46:23] is when you amnesty [46:23] a bunch of illegal immigrants [46:24] who are here unlawfully, [46:25] it then tells everyone else, [46:26] hey, if you come here [46:27] and you stay, [46:27] we'll give you another amnesty. [46:28] It doesn't provide [46:29] a perverse incentive. [46:29] So what it does [46:30] is it triggers another wave [46:31] of people who want to come here [46:32] illegally and violate the law [46:34] because the math [46:35] that they're doing, [46:35] I'll tell you the math [46:36] of people who are coming here [46:37] illegally. [46:37] This is the math. [46:37] It's how much does it cost [46:38] to smuggle me [46:39] into the United States [46:40] and what's the return [46:40] on investment? [46:41] People do this math [46:42] all the time. [46:43] And so what you're actually doing [46:44] is you're making it [46:44] the carrot bigger [46:45] to attract people [46:46] to come here unlawfully. [46:47] It's absolutely what you're doing. [46:48] You just said [46:48] you wanted an amnesty. [46:48] Our system of immigration [46:49] creates perverse incentives [46:56] if the amnesty [46:57] were to be in conjunction [46:58] with a change [46:59] to the way people [47:00] can be granted residency [47:02] in this country [47:02] that makes it a lot more [47:03] efficient and expedient, [47:05] that in and of itself [47:06] would not result in [47:07] a mass influx [47:08] of illegal immigrants [47:09] because you could already [47:10] enter the country. [47:11] So to be clear, [47:11] I only want amnesty [47:12] for a shadow economy [47:13] of millions of immigrants [47:15] who are contributing [47:16] to the American economy, [47:17] who don't pose [47:18] a significant threat [47:19] to public safety. [47:20] But their U.S.-born children do. [47:21] Their U.S.-born children do, [47:23] though. [47:23] That's your problem. [47:23] On an equivalent rate [47:24] to that of U.S.-born children, [47:26] here's the problem. [47:26] So it is true [47:27] that immigrants... [47:28] Aiden, can you provide us [47:29] evidence regarding [47:30] red states versus [47:31] blue states in crime? [47:32] I quickly want to address [47:33] the thing that he's saying. [47:34] You're saying... [47:35] Wait, wait, wait. [47:35] Let him address that. [47:36] I got you, got you, got you. [47:37] Okay, can I address [47:37] his point on immigration [47:38] quickly? [47:38] Sure. [47:39] Okay, so on immigration, [47:40] it is true that people [47:41] who immigrate to the United States [47:42] commit crimes at lower rates [47:44] than native-born U.S.-Americans. [47:45] However, black Americans [47:47] are largely pulling up [47:48] our incarceration rate. [47:49] Second of all, [47:49] you should also consider [47:51] their U.S.-born children [47:52] and their criminality [47:53] because we can't deport [47:53] their U.S.-born children. [47:54] When you do that, [47:55] if you look at people [47:56] who came to Mexico [47:57] and are second-generation immigrants, [47:58] so their parents [47:59] came from Mexico, [47:59] they were then U.S.-born, [48:00] they're now citizens, [48:01] they're incarcerated [48:02] at three and a half times [48:03] the rate of non-Hispanic whites. [48:05] And so if we really [48:06] want to care about crime [48:07] and in regards to [48:08] immigration specifically, [48:10] mass deportations [48:10] are actually affected [48:11] because the U.S.-born [48:12] children of immigrants, [48:13] especially those from [48:14] Mexico and Latin America [48:15] where most of the people [48:16] coming to the United States, [48:18] don't have a lot of education. [48:19] Most of them never had [48:20] education beyond high school. [48:21] About half of them, [48:22] specifically from Mexico, [48:23] never even graduated [48:25] from high school. [48:26] And so if you really [48:27] are caring about crime, [48:28] you would actually want [48:28] mass deportations. [48:29] You want to close down [48:30] the border, [48:30] not give amnesty [48:31] to a bunch of people [48:32] who never graduated high school. [48:33] Okay. [48:34] I don't discriminate [48:35] against an individual [48:35] or deprive them [48:36] of their right to due process, [48:38] for example, [48:38] by virtue of the fact [48:39] that they don't have [48:40] a GED equivalent education. [48:42] The mass deportations [48:43] that Donald Trump has implemented [48:44] has resulted in more lawlessness. [48:47] His immigration, [48:48] the Trump administration [48:49] has lost in the courts [48:50] over 19,000 times [48:51] for their indefinite detention policy [48:53] and also violations [48:54] of due process. [48:55] There's a political report [48:55] on the matter. [48:56] Immigration and customs enforcement [48:57] in order to enforce the law [48:59] is now violating the law. [49:01] That to me doesn't make any sense. [49:03] We're capable of prioritizing [49:04] threats to public safety [49:04] and that's what we should be doing, [49:06] not targeting illegal immigrants [49:07] that make our lives better. [49:08] Push the button. [49:08] Don't be scared. [49:09] Okay, so the majority of people [49:11] who are detained by ICE [49:12] either have been convicted of a crime [49:13] or have a pending charge. [49:15] They're all welcome [49:15] to fact check that, [49:16] but they all know that it's true. [49:17] And so when we're talking [49:18] about who's actually being deported, [49:19] we are talking about criminals. [49:20] And on the topic of crime specifically, [49:23] let's talk about sanctuary states [49:24] and sanctuary cities [49:25] where when ICE has detainer orders [49:28] for people who have committed crimes, [49:29] including violent crimes, [49:30] you have blue cities [49:31] and blue states [49:31] whose stated policy [49:33] is that they won't cooperate [49:34] with ICE [49:35] and transfer the individual [49:35] to be deported [49:36] after they've committed a crime [49:37] unless there's a signed warrant present. [49:39] And so you actually have [49:40] in blue states and cities [49:41] them prioritizing mass immigration [49:43] and open borders [49:44] over the safety [49:45] of their own communities. [49:46] And so if you're really comparing [49:46] the Republican Party... [49:47] No, I'm not. [49:48] If you're comparing [49:49] the Republican Party [49:49] and the Democrat Party [49:50] on crime, [49:51] there is one that places [49:52] their open borders ideology [49:53] directly above the safety [49:54] of their own communities [49:55] and another one [49:56] who is actually saying [49:57] we want to enforce immigration law, [49:58] not give amnesty, [49:59] which is essentially another way [50:00] of not enforcing immigration law. [50:02] Well, I think first of all, [50:03] that's a pivot, [50:04] but just to be clear, [50:05] are you willing to make the claim [50:07] that Republican states [50:08] have lower violent crime rates [50:10] per capita [50:11] than that of their [50:12] Democrat counterparts? [50:13] Just being honest, [50:14] I'm not sure, [50:14] but what I can say... [50:15] Yeah, because I mean, [50:15] one would assume [50:16] that if you're okay with crime, [50:17] then we'd see higher [50:19] proportionate rates, [50:20] right? [50:20] That would be the assumption? [50:21] So here's something [50:21] we can directly compare. [50:22] But it's actually not happening. [50:23] Here's something [50:23] we can directly compare. [50:24] Can we also get into the facts [50:25] since you guys are all [50:26] based on feelings right now? [50:27] Can we get into the stats? [50:28] Yes, I'm here. [50:30] Me, me, me. [50:31] Instead of any facts, [50:32] yes, you guys are debating [50:33] each other. [50:33] So I've got something [50:34] we can directly compare. [50:35] So here's a good statistic [50:36] that kind of tells us [50:37] about blue cities, red cities. [50:39] 54% of all murders [50:40] in the United States [50:41] happen in 2% of counties [50:42] that have 30% [50:43] of the U.S. population. [50:44] So violent crime, [50:45] specifically murders, [50:45] is highly concentrated [50:46] in specific areas. [50:47] If you go through the list [50:48] of those counties [50:49] that are in the top 2% [50:50] for murders, [50:51] almost all of them [50:52] are Democrat-run. [50:53] And so the idea [50:54] that crime is happening [50:55] in red areas of the country [50:56] and not blue areas [50:57] is simply not the case. [50:58] Because when it happens [50:59] in red states, [51:00] when it happens in red states, [51:00] it's in blue cities. [51:01] I asked you the question earlier. [51:03] It's incredibly important [51:03] to recognize that [51:04] there's a reason why [51:05] you didn't directly address it [51:06] and then you want to cite [51:07] the fact that in red states, [51:10] is there lower violent crime [51:11] rates per capita? [51:11] I'm not sure [51:12] I'd have to look it up. [51:13] There's a reason why [51:14] you're saying you're not sure [51:14] you have to look it up. [51:15] Because I'm not sure. [51:15] I'm just being honest with you. [51:16] Because you know the truth. [51:17] And there's a reason why [51:18] you have to... [51:18] If I'm not sure, [51:19] I just tell people [51:19] I'm not sure. [51:20] I'm not concerned [51:20] with the conversations [51:21] you have in the past. [51:22] I don't think you're honest. [51:23] The fact that you don't [51:24] want to address that question, [51:25] I think it speaks to [51:25] the fact that per capita, [51:27] Republican states [51:28] see higher violent crime rates [51:30] than their Democrat counterparts. [51:31] And would you like [51:32] to address the point [51:32] that 54%... [51:32] So they're pardoning [51:33] January Sixers. [51:34] They're pardoning January Sixers. [51:35] They got higher [51:36] per capita crime rates. [51:38] There's an ungodly [51:39] amount of lawlessness [51:40] as a result of [51:40] the Trump administration's policy. [51:42] They're pardoning fraudsters as well. [51:43] That to me doesn't look [51:44] like a party that prioritizes [51:45] cracking down on criminals. [51:47] That looks like a party [51:47] that's okay with criminality [51:49] as long as it's done [51:49] on their behalf. [51:50] Okay, and would you like [51:51] to address the point [51:51] that 54% of all murders [51:53] in the United States [51:53] happen in 2% of counties [51:54] that have 30% of the population [51:55] and the vast majority [51:56] of them are run by Democrats. [51:57] 30% of the population [51:59] of how many people [51:59] living in this country? [52:00] Okay, so maybe [52:01] I'm a little too fast. [52:02] I'll say it again. [52:03] I understand still what you said. [52:04] 54%. [52:04] It's like, wow, [52:06] it makes total sense. [52:07] There's 50 people [52:07] living in this house [52:08] so there's going to be [52:09] more conflict [52:09] than the house of two people. [52:10] So it's higher [52:10] on a per capita basis. [52:11] Is it a result of policy? [52:12] It's higher on a per capita basis. [52:13] What's higher [52:13] on a per capita basis? [52:14] The murders that are happening [52:15] in primarily blue cities. [52:17] In comparison to what? [52:18] In comparison to red cities. [52:20] It's higher per capita. [52:21] Jake, I see you pushed your button. [52:23] Which claim would you like [52:23] to have fact-checked? [52:24] He safely tried to say [52:26] that murder is higher per capita [52:27] in blue cities, right? [52:29] Then red cities. [52:30] Of course, [52:31] because that's where the people live [52:32] in the blue cities. [52:33] He's real careful [52:34] with his words. [52:34] He must have been [52:35] watching somebody. [52:36] I don't know. [52:36] I'm just myself, bro. [52:38] Oh, you're telling? [52:38] He's careful with his words? [52:39] Give me a break. [52:40] True. [52:40] He's also very cautious. [52:42] This guy said, [52:42] I'm not sure. [52:45] The current score is 3-2 [52:47] with liberals still in the lead. [52:48] It's a close one [52:49] so we'll see [52:50] with this fact-check. [52:51] Hayden, you made the claim [52:52] that murder is higher [52:53] in blue cities [52:54] than in red cities per capita. [52:56] The verdict is in [52:57] and that is true. [53:01] This is true. [53:02] Democrat-run cities [53:03] do have a higher [53:04] average murder rate [53:04] than Republican cities. [53:06] Since both of you guys [53:06] have been in the debate seat [53:07] for a while, [53:08] we're going to rotate you out. [53:12] Austin, [53:13] your time starts now. [53:14] So I think that [53:15] when you look at [53:16] which side has the stronger [53:17] record on reducing crime, [53:19] other than January 6th, [53:20] obviously, [53:20] I would still make the case [53:21] that Republican policy [53:23] has done more [53:25] to try to curb crime. [53:26] in the time I had [53:28] working as a police dispatcher [53:31] for instance, [53:32] I saw within the city of Atlanta [53:33] and across multiple states [53:34] red or blue, [53:35] police officers have done [53:36] a lot of much more communal work. [53:38] They have had [53:39] Coffee with the Cop days, [53:40] for example. [53:41] They're trying to, [53:42] officers across the country [53:42] are trying to increase [53:44] the camaraderie [53:44] that exists between [53:45] citizens and law enforcement [53:47] because there has been [53:48] such a divide recently, [53:49] especially with major incidents [53:50] going all the way back [53:50] to Trayvon Martin, [53:52] Mike Brown, [53:52] and all those other things. [53:53] And I think we're going to agree [53:54] that community policing [53:55] is a good thing. [53:57] But I think that we [53:59] fool ourselves [54:00] when we get into [54:01] some of these statistics [54:02] because I don't know, [54:03] maybe it might surprise you [54:04] to know or not, [54:05] but crime, [54:06] violent crime included, [54:07] has essentially been [54:08] trending downward [54:09] since the 90s. [54:10] And it really doesn't [54:11] adhere cleanly [54:12] to whoever's [54:13] in the White House either. [54:15] You know, [54:15] the crimes, [54:16] the crime statistics... [54:17] Except for the black community, though. [54:19] Well, yeah, yeah. [54:20] But the weird, [54:21] awful thing about crime data [54:22] is that the closer you look, [54:24] the more uneven it gets [54:25] and the less [54:26] complete data you have. [54:28] In what sense? [54:29] Well, it takes, like, [54:31] I'm guessing here, [54:32] it takes about two years [54:33] to get accurate crime data [54:34] across the country. [54:35] Is crime down now [54:36] under Trump? [54:38] Is crime down now [54:39] under Trump? [54:40] Violent crime. [54:41] Violent crime? [54:42] I believe it trended [54:44] downward when he took office [54:46] and upward when he took in. [54:48] Yeah, I'm not... [54:48] I don't... [54:49] The most recent FBI report [54:50] stated that violent crime [54:51] is trending down [54:52] under the President's administration. [54:53] So while our liberal friends [54:54] over there love to cite [54:55] January 6th [54:56] was about all they've got, [54:57] I think that it's quite obvious [54:59] that Donald Trump [54:59] has made tremendous inroads [55:01] to decrease crime, [55:02] which is a win [55:02] for our Republicans, [55:03] by the way. [55:03] And props to your boy. [55:04] He has inherited [55:05] a lot of great trends [55:05] and ruined them. [55:06] I think maybe this one [55:07] he hasn't gotten to yet. [55:08] But he... [55:09] He inherited great trends [55:10] and ruined them. [55:10] He inherited a 9% inflation rate [55:12] from Joe Biden. [55:12] Sleepy Joe Biden. [55:13] He inherited a horrendous... [55:14] You're aware of this. [55:15] David, I see you pushed your button. [55:17] Which claim would you like fact-checked? [55:18] He said that Donald Trump [55:20] inherited a 9% inflation rate [55:22] from Joe Biden. [55:23] Inflation was not 9% [55:24] when Donald Trump had their own. [55:26] It's like 8-something, I think. [55:27] All right, fact-checkers, [55:28] do your thing. [55:28] I was about to have facts. [55:31] Oh, wait a minute. [55:32] Damn, I said 9. [55:33] Yeah. [55:34] Yeah. [55:35] Same percentage of... [55:36] Damn it. [55:37] Same percentage of... [55:37] You look... [55:38] You know what? [55:38] You... [55:39] You look back in, [55:40] you little... [55:40] I caught that shit. [55:41] God! [55:42] Thank you for having some courage [55:43] over there, Austin. [55:44] Who are you? [55:44] Good shit. [55:45] Y'all got real. [55:45] He had the courage. [55:46] You could have just said [55:47] I don't know eight times [55:48] like Hayden, you know. [55:49] I know! [55:51] You better start my teammate. [55:52] All right, the score [55:53] is currently 3-3. [55:55] That's a nail-biter. [55:56] So let's see. [55:57] The verdict is in. [55:58] Austin, you claim that [56:00] Donald Trump inherited [56:01] a 9% inflation rate [56:03] from Joe Biden [56:03] when Trump took office. [56:05] Unfortunately. [56:06] The fact-checkers have checked. [56:07] The verdict is in. [56:08] And that is... [56:10] False. [56:11] The lie detector test [56:12] determined that was... [56:12] When Trump took office [56:13] in January 2025, [56:14] annual inflation was about 2.9%, [56:16] which is significantly below [56:18] that 9% claim. [56:21] Dr. Julio, I'm sorry. [56:23] Hey, man. [56:24] But you are incorrect. [56:25] And that brings us to time [56:26] for this prompt. [56:27] And that's why I'm the best [56:28] fake doctor on social media. [56:29] Jesus. [56:30] God! [56:30] God! [56:31] God! [56:32] Now it's time for [56:33] Sudden Death. [56:34] The team with the most points [56:35] chooses the final prompt, [56:37] and that is the liberals [56:38] in the lead 4-3. [56:40] The Sudden Death checkmate prompts [56:41] are... [56:42] Number 1. [56:43] Which side is more likely [56:44] to put party loyalty [56:45] over principle? [56:47] Number 2. [56:48] Should public schools [56:49] be allowed to teach [56:50] gender identity? [56:51] And number 3. [56:52] Which party's midterm candidates [56:53] are better for the country? [56:55] Alright, liberals, [56:56] huddle up, [56:56] and you guys can choose [56:57] which prompt you'd like to debate. [56:58] I say what you want. [57:04] The vote. [57:05] What do you want? [57:05] Just for a little bit. [57:07] Why do you just like Democrats? [57:08] I like... [57:09] But not as much fact. [57:09] You don't have to bring a source. [57:11] What's your source for that? [57:12] Just press the button. [57:13] We won. [57:13] Liberals, [57:14] you're leading 4-3. [57:15] Have you guys chosen [57:16] your final prompt? [57:17] Yes, we chose the first prompt. [57:19] Which side is more likely [57:20] to put party loyalty [57:22] over principle? [57:23] Teams, please choose [57:23] your final debater [57:24] and calculate your wagers. [57:27] 4. [57:27] Anyone got good handwriting? [57:28] Mine's terrible. [57:29] What are you writing? [57:31] Just the number? [57:32] Yeah. [57:33] Yeah. [57:36] Alright, final debaters, [57:37] please take the stage [57:38] and hand me your wagers. [57:47] Here's how Sudden Death works. [57:48] Each of you will get [57:49] one uninterrupted minute [57:50] to make your opening argument. [57:52] Then I'll place [57:53] the checkmate button [57:53] between you [57:54] and open debate begins. [57:56] From that moment on, [57:57] the first person [57:58] to hit the button [57:59] stops the debate [58:00] and triggers [58:00] the final fact check. [58:02] Once that button is pressed, [58:03] Sudden Death is over. [58:05] If your challenge is correct, [58:06] you win the round [58:07] and earn your wager. [58:08] If your challenge is wrong, [58:10] you lose the round, [58:11] forfeit your wager, [58:11] and the other team [58:12] gets the points. [58:13] The team with the fewer points [58:14] will speak first. [58:16] So Gerard, [58:16] you will speak first [58:17] since your team [58:18] has fewer points. [58:19] Alright, Gerard, [58:19] your one minute starts now. [58:20] So Democrats are the party [58:23] of party loyalty [58:23] over principle. [58:24] And it's best summed up [58:25] by a phrase that goes around [58:27] Facebook every time [58:28] there's an election. [58:29] Vote blue no matter who. [58:31] Right? [58:31] It's a very common refrain [58:32] amongst Democrats [58:32] or left-leaning people. [58:34] And at the end of the day, [58:34] that's what they do. [58:35] They're going to vote blue [58:36] no matter who, [58:37] and they're going to [58:37] tow the party line. [58:38] On the Republican side, [58:39] you see the exact opposite. [58:40] You see principle debates [58:42] so harsh that people [58:43] are losing their jobs. [58:44] You see Tulsi Gabbard [58:44] and Dan Bongino [58:46] actually losing their jobs, [58:48] resigning out of principle. [58:50] Right? [58:50] You see people [58:51] leave a joke. [58:53] You see Joe Kent, [58:53] right, [58:54] resigned because of his principles [58:55] on the Iran war. [58:56] You don't see anything [58:57] like that on the left. [58:58] If Joe Biden is doing [58:59] something ridiculous, [59:00] they just kind of [59:00] go along with it. [59:01] When Donald Trump [59:02] screws up, [59:02] and he does screw up, [59:03] you have people [59:04] on the Republican side [59:05] who will actually leave [59:06] or be fired over principles. [59:08] Now, it's not to say [59:09] Donald Trump doesn't have [59:09] a cult of personality himself, [59:11] but the Republican Party [59:12] itself still does [59:13] stand on principles. [59:14] And those principles [59:15] stay the same [59:16] regardless of whether [59:17] it's popular [59:18] or whether it's not popular. [59:19] It's why the Republican Party [59:20] keeps fighting [59:21] on losing issues repeatedly. [59:22] Alright, we're going to pause here. [59:24] Your one minute is up. [59:25] Alright, Parker, [59:26] your one minute starts now. [59:27] Seems like Republicans [59:28] are vote red [59:29] even if their candidate [59:30] is convicted by the feds. [59:32] The right has gone against [59:33] almost all of their values. [59:34] Donald Trump ran on [59:35] no new wars, [59:36] released all the Epstein files, [59:37] lowered the prices, [59:38] bring down cost of living, [59:39] get rid of income tax. [59:40] Has he done any of those things? [59:42] I don't think he has. [59:43] I think he's actually [59:43] gone back on all of them. [59:44] He's even gone after [59:45] individuals such as [59:46] Marjorie Traitor Green. [59:49] I can't speak. [59:50] Marjorie Traitor Green [59:51] is what he calls her, [59:52] by the way. [59:53] Marjorie Taylor Green, [59:53] of course. [59:54] And that's because [59:55] she wanted the release [59:56] of the Epstein files [59:56] and put her name on a petition [59:57] for the release [59:58] of the Epstein files. [59:59] He's gone after Massey [1:00:00] and individuals [1:00:00] that have gone against him [1:00:01] in any means possible. [1:00:03] So clearly he's tried [1:00:04] to stifle out [1:00:04] people who are principled [1:00:06] within the context of his party. [1:00:07] Even individuals [1:00:08] such as Joe Kent, [1:00:09] they don't have a stage now. [1:00:10] You might have said [1:00:10] that they've left, [1:00:11] but they don't have a stage now. [1:00:13] So the Republican Party [1:00:14] has promoted loyalty [1:00:15] over actual moral principles [1:00:17] and that's very, very clear. [1:00:22] All right, guys. [1:00:24] Once you push this button, [1:00:25] there's no going back. [1:00:26] So push wisely. [1:00:29] All right, Gerard, [1:00:30] are you ready? [1:00:31] Oh, yeah. [1:00:31] Your time starts now. [1:00:33] I want to start by thanking you [1:00:34] for giving me two more names [1:00:35] I've left out of my opening statement. [1:00:37] You do have Marjorie Taylor Green [1:00:38] and you've got Thomas Massey. [1:00:39] Two more examples of Republicans [1:00:41] who put principles [1:00:41] over party loyalty. [1:00:43] Because the way you're saying it [1:00:44] is they go against Trump [1:00:45] and Trump retaliates. [1:00:46] The way I see that is [1:00:47] they stayed true to their principles [1:00:49] even though they knew [1:00:49] it might cost them their seats. [1:00:51] And in fact, it did, right? [1:00:52] It cost Thomas Massey. [1:00:53] He got primaried out [1:00:54] almost immediately [1:00:55] because he stood on principles, right? [1:00:57] Can you give me a single example [1:00:58] of the Democrats [1:00:59] having something similar [1:01:00] where someone stood up [1:01:01] to Joe Biden [1:01:01] or Barack Obama [1:01:02] on a principled agreement [1:01:03] even when it cost them their seat? [1:01:05] Give me a single example. [1:01:06] Well, we can point to the context [1:01:07] of Joe Biden having to step down [1:01:08] due to the fact [1:01:09] that his cognitive impairment [1:01:10] obviously was seen [1:01:11] by the general population [1:01:12] and Democrats said [1:01:13] that they wanted him to step down. [1:01:14] So there was in-party pressure [1:01:15] to have a candidate to step down. [1:01:16] Who is he standing up against? [1:01:17] Can I finish? [1:01:18] Give me an example [1:01:19] of someone standing up against someone. [1:01:21] Joe Biden stood up [1:01:21] against his own simility. [1:01:22] The entire party. [1:01:23] His own simility? [1:01:23] Am I able to speak? [1:01:24] So we're talking about the party. [1:01:25] We're not just talking about [1:01:26] individual individuals [1:01:27] within the context of the party. [1:01:28] So that's true about Joe Kent [1:01:29] or it's true about Marjorie Taylor Greene [1:01:31] or it's true about Thomas Massey, [1:01:33] but it's not true [1:01:34] about the Republican Party as a whole. [1:01:36] We're talking about the party. [1:01:36] We're not talking about [1:01:37] those individual people. [1:01:39] So I agree, [1:01:39] those individual people, [1:01:40] they seem to have principles [1:01:41] if they're against the Republicans [1:01:42] now because of that. [1:01:43] But the general party [1:01:44] is willing to put loyalty [1:01:45] over their moral principles. [1:01:46] A party is just a group of people. [1:01:48] So I'm giving you examples of people. [1:01:49] Can you give me an example [1:01:50] of a person doing the same thing [1:01:52] that Tulsi Gabbard or Joe... [1:01:53] Wait, do you agree Democrats [1:01:54] got Joe Biden to step down? [1:01:55] The pressure within the context of the party? [1:01:56] That wasn't what I asked you. [1:01:57] I said, when did someone... [1:01:59] Can you agree though? [1:02:00] That they got a senile old man [1:02:01] to stop running for president? [1:02:02] Yeah, that's not the same thing [1:02:03] as standing up to a sitting president. [1:02:05] That is. [1:02:05] That's exactly doing that. [1:02:06] Standing up to a sitting president, [1:02:07] getting them to step down [1:02:08] when clearly they have indicated [1:02:10] that they're not willing [1:02:11] to be able to run [1:02:11] in a manner in which it would be effective. [1:02:12] He's not capable of willing to be. [1:02:13] Capable. I'm meant to be capable. [1:02:15] He's not capable of running. [1:02:16] He's not capable of opposing them either. [1:02:17] Give me an example [1:02:18] of someone standing up [1:02:19] to a capable Democrat [1:02:20] who could actually do something. [1:02:21] Wait, I think he's capable. [1:02:22] We would just argue that... [1:02:23] You think Joe Biden's capable? [1:02:24] I technically think [1:02:25] he's more capable than Trump. [1:02:26] So he's capable enough to be president. [1:02:27] But is he like to the standard [1:02:28] that I would want from a president? [1:02:30] The answer is no. [1:02:30] You thought Joe Biden [1:02:31] was capable to be president? [1:02:32] Yes, but not like to the standard [1:02:33] that I would want. [1:02:34] Okay. [1:02:34] Do you think Trump is capable [1:02:35] to be president? [1:02:40] Not the president. [1:02:40] Joe Biden was the president. [1:02:41] So he was actively the president [1:02:43] the entirety of the four years. [1:02:44] And I mean, I could point to [1:02:45] a lot of conditions were better off [1:02:46] when he was in office [1:02:46] compared to Trump now. [1:02:47] Well, you could point to [1:02:48] like some economic stats or whatever, [1:02:50] but there's that inflation number, right? [1:02:51] We were talking about earlier. [1:02:52] Real GDP growth, [1:02:53] real median wage growth, [1:02:54] unemployment, inflation, [1:02:54] all of those things are better off [1:02:55] since Trump got an... [1:02:56] or worse off [1:02:57] since Trump got an office. [1:02:58] Right, because a lot of things [1:02:59] have a delayed effect. [1:03:01] I mean, that's the reality of it. [1:03:02] Inflation, for example, [1:03:03] has delayed effect. [1:03:03] That's due to the Iran war. [1:03:04] Is that not due to the closing [1:03:05] of the straight-offer moves [1:03:06] that Trump caused [1:03:06] because he started the war with Iran? [1:03:08] You're not going to give me [1:03:08] to support the Iran war. [1:03:08] But that caused inflation to go up, [1:03:09] which causes real GDP growth to slow, [1:03:11] real median wage growth to slow. [1:03:12] Iran war was a bad decision. [1:03:13] I'll be the first one to say that. [1:03:14] The topic, however, [1:03:15] is about party loyalty [1:03:16] and standing up. [1:03:17] And I'm still waiting for an example. [1:03:17] That's against the no new wars, isn't it? [1:03:18] Give me an example [1:03:19] of someone in the Democrats [1:03:20] who stands up [1:03:21] to the sitting Democrat president. [1:03:22] I just gave you an example. [1:03:23] The entirety of the party [1:03:24] got Joe Biden to step down [1:03:25] standing up against the president. [1:03:26] Can you give me a name? [1:03:27] That's me. [1:03:28] I'm a Democrat. [1:03:28] You got Joe Biden to step down? [1:03:30] I'm a Democrat [1:03:36] Nancy Pelosi. [1:03:37] OK, so you think Nancy Pelosi [1:03:38] had a conversation, [1:03:39] private conversation [1:03:40] with Joe Biden [1:03:40] to tell him to step down. [1:03:41] Has anyone publicly? [1:03:42] Is there a public opposition? [1:03:43] Nancy Pelosi acknowledged that publicly. [1:03:44] Acknowledged what specifically? [1:03:45] She acknowledged that [1:03:46] she talked to Joe Biden about this, [1:03:48] right, that she specifically told him [1:03:49] that her opinion [1:03:50] was that he should step down. [1:03:51] Right. [1:03:51] What I'm saying is [1:03:52] Do you agree? [1:03:53] Do I agree that Nancy Pelosi [1:03:55] talked to Joe Biden privately? [1:03:56] Of course she did. [1:03:57] Wait, so that's an example [1:03:58] of a person that did that. [1:03:59] Public opposition to policy [1:04:00] is what I'm asking for. [1:04:01] When Joe Biden [1:04:02] was doing his [1:04:03] defund the police nonsense [1:04:04] and talking like that [1:04:05] in the 2020 era, [1:04:05] Wait, Joe Biden? [1:04:06] What? [1:04:07] You said Joe Biden [1:04:07] was doing that. [1:04:08] Gerard, what do you mean [1:04:09] by Joe Biden's [1:04:10] defund the police nonsense? [1:04:12] Yeah, what do you mean, bro? [1:04:12] Talking about back [1:04:13] like in 2020 [1:04:14] when they were talking about [1:04:15] we had to reduce funding [1:04:16] for police departments [1:04:17] on the policing aspect [1:04:18] and we're going to increase [1:04:19] social service funding [1:04:20] instead of direct police funding. [1:04:22] All right. [1:04:22] Parker, you pushed [1:04:23] the sudden death button. [1:04:24] What claim would you like [1:04:25] to have checked? [1:04:26] He said that Joe Biden [1:04:27] was engaging in calling [1:04:28] for the defunding [1:04:29] of the police [1:04:29] or the reallocation of funding [1:04:31] from the police [1:04:32] to social services. [1:04:34] So, yeah, [1:04:35] I think that's false. [1:04:36] All right. [1:04:37] Well, fact checkers, [1:04:38] please fact check. [1:04:39] Thank you. [1:04:40] So, Gerard, [1:04:40] you claim that Joe Biden [1:04:42] argued for defunding [1:04:43] the police. [1:04:44] Fact checkers have checked [1:04:45] and there is a verdict [1:04:46] and that is false. [1:04:53] Joe Biden as a candidate [1:04:55] in 2020 [1:04:56] and later as president [1:04:57] in 2022 [1:04:57] specifically argued [1:04:59] against defunding [1:05:00] the police [1:05:00] and argued [1:05:01] for increasing funding [1:05:02] for law enforcement. [1:05:03] That's my president. [1:05:04] That's my president. [1:05:04] That's my president. [1:05:04] Yeah! [1:05:05] Let's go. [1:05:06] Let's go. [1:05:08] Good game. [1:05:09] Good game. [1:05:10] The debate is over. [1:05:11] The facts have been checked [1:05:12] and the final score is in. [1:05:14] Before sudden death, [1:05:15] the score was 4-3 [1:05:16] with the liberals [1:05:17] in the lead. [1:05:18] In sudden death, [1:05:19] the liberals wagered [1:05:20] four points [1:05:20] and the conservatives [1:05:21] wagered three points. [1:05:23] Since the liberals side [1:05:24] won the sudden death round, [1:05:26] the final score is now [1:05:27] 8-0. [1:05:29] So, congratulations, liberals. [1:05:31] You are today's [1:05:33] Checkmate Champions. [1:05:34] Let's go. [1:05:39] Parker, Parker, Parker. [1:05:43] To both teams, [1:05:44] thank you for debating, [1:05:45] defending your facts [1:05:46] and putting your claims [1:05:47] to the test. [1:05:49] I'm Paris Rose [1:05:50] and until next time, [1:05:51] check your facts [1:05:52] or get checked. [1:05:54] Thanks for watching. [1:05:55] Bye. [1:05:57] Yeah! [1:05:59] Rematch, rematch. [1:06:00] Rematch, rematch. [1:06:02] Good debate. [1:06:03] Best out of three. [1:06:03] Nice to meet both of you.