Karine Jean-Pierre Doesn't Hold Back on Trump's Now-Fired Press Secretary

[0:00] Donald Trump's new press, White House press secretary, her name is Katie, I called her [0:04] Zakaria, all right, still facing a wave of criticism after her first briefing lasted [0:09] just 14 minutes, 14 minutes. [0:10] And then she only took questions from three news organizations, all generally friendly [0:15] to President Trump. [0:16] We haven't seen her at the podium, but we've seen a lot of her talking. [0:20] The performance was awkward. [0:21] It was heavily scripted. [0:22] It was lacking substance. [0:23] The White House, meanwhile, insists that she did an excellent job. [0:25] And now she has been making the rounds on conservative cable channels, defending her [0:30] performance and explaining what went wrong. [0:33] She appeared on Fox News just a short time ago. [0:36] Here it is. [0:38] It's been a tough week for you. [0:40] You know, it's not an easy job to be the press secretary and you never want to be the story. [0:46] But I have to ask, do you wish you would have disclosed to the president about the bar and [0:52] not passing the bar? [0:53] Yeah, well, Lawrence, those questions weren't asked. [0:57] I'm being hired as White House press secretary and not White House counsel. [1:02] The conversations and the reason I was the reason that I was hired was to represent the [1:08] president in the press. [1:09] OK. [1:13] All right. [1:14] But and also but she was hired to be honest, right? [1:20] Someone who knows exactly what it's like to stand behind that podium and face the White [1:24] House press corps is former Biden White House press secretary, Kareem Jean-Pierre. [1:29] Kareem, good morning. [1:31] You know, I've been blowing up your damn phone. [1:34] Sorry. [1:34] That's my word. [1:35] I have a potty mouth. [1:36] Kareem does not. [1:38] Please come on and talk about this because, you know, I saw that thing the other night with [1:44] Sean Hannity saying we would not be doing this if it was if this was a black woman or whatever. [1:48] I was like, do they forget how awful they were to Kareem Jean-Pierre, who did a perfectly [1:54] fine job, a great job as the White House press secretary? [1:57] Good morning to you. [1:59] Good morning. [2:00] Good morning. [2:01] Good morning. [2:01] Hello, Lemon Nation. [2:03] Hi, everybody. [2:04] And I have to say, wait, Don, I have to say that haircut looks pretty presidential. [2:10] Oh, you like is it Obama-esque? [2:12] Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, pretty soon am I going to be saying President Don Lemon? [2:17] I don't know. [2:18] That's what the streets are saying. [2:20] Do you know what else is saying it? [2:22] I mean, if we could find the soundbite, that's what, of all people, that's what Megyn Kelly [2:26] is saying. [2:27] Megyn Kelly has endorsed my candidacy. [2:30] Oh, well. [2:32] I don't know if that's not saying anything, not saying a lot, or if it's saying something [2:36] or whatever. [2:37] I'll just say, uh, Kareem, uh, well, uh, in my, uh, role as, uh, the possible future, uh, [2:46] president, that's my Obama. [2:49] I was trying to figure out what that was. [2:52] It's not a very good Obama. [2:54] No say to Obama, you know, much, much respect for the beloved Obama family. [2:58] But I love the, I love the cut. [3:00] It's good. [3:00] It's good. [3:00] So hi, everybody. [3:02] Thanks, Don, for having me on. [3:03] I appreciate it. [3:04] It's been an interesting week. [3:05] It has. [3:06] And look, we are laughing, not because it's funny, but because it's laughable. [3:09] When you're up there and you had that job, it's a very serious and big role. [3:14] Okay. [3:14] Everybody has first day jitters, but when you're the white house press secretary, you got to [3:19] get up there and you have to perform. [3:21] When you saw that, were you like, Oh, what'd you think? [3:24] It was odd. [3:25] It was an incredibly odd performance and odd outing and odd debut. [3:30] It was weird to watch. [3:32] It was, you know, kind of like you said, like what's happening here, what's going on. [3:36] Look, that job is hard. [3:38] It is really, really hard. [3:39] It is one of the toughest jobs in Washington, D.C. to have. [3:44] And you can't come to it unprepared. [3:48] And there's some, some people, there's like this misconception, like, Oh, you can walk off [3:51] the street and go to the podium and, you know, stand behind that lector and, and take it and [3:56] give it. [3:57] And it is not. [3:58] It reminds me of that West, the West Wing, as a West Wing episode with Josh, you remember [4:04] when, when I, when TJ was, had to do a root canal or something like that. [4:12] And so she couldn't go to the podium. [4:14] And so Josh went to the podium and he thought it was going to be really easy and it was a [4:18] disaster. [4:19] But anyway, it is not easy. [4:21] The point that I'm making is that it is not, it is not an easy thing to do. [4:25] But look, my experience has been you prep, you prep for hours on end. [4:31] You have a really good team that works for you. [4:35] I have one of the best teams in the business that helped me prep. [4:39] And also you have to make sure that, that you have all the information, all the questions, [4:46] your finger on the pulse. [4:47] That's the other thing too. [4:48] You have to have your finger on the pulse. [4:50] You have to have a finger on the pulse when it comes to what's out there, what the press [4:54] is going to ask. [4:55] And so the job is, it's a big one and you, you, you just cannot be unprepared. [5:02] And, um, let me ask you, you thought she was unprepared. [5:05] Let's just be honest here. [5:06] Let's not beat around the bush. [5:08] I mean, look, the, the, the job. [5:10] Cause I know it's hard to, you don't, it's like the president, right? [5:12] You don't want to criticize the person who came before you. [5:16] It was odd. [5:17] It was bizarre. [5:18] What I can say is what my experience has been. [5:20] My experience has been, you come there, you be prepared. [5:23] You have a great team around you. [5:25] You, you get a sense of what is going to be asked in, you know, in, in that room from, [5:30] from reporters. [5:31] It's not surprising. [5:32] Some, some of the questions are not going to be surprising. [5:34] Some of the topics are not going to be surprising. [5:36] And she came into three questions, less than 15 minutes and left. [5:40] That's, I mean, when we did it, when I did it, we took dozens of questions. [5:44] We were up there. [5:45] I was up there for 40, 60 minutes and you take it on, you know, you, and you try to take questions [5:51] from everybody in the room, right? [5:53] You take questions. [5:54] I took questions from conservative, from liberal, from mainstream media. [5:57] Peter Doocy. [5:59] Yeah. [5:59] I mean, we went, I mean, we're, there's, we're, you know, it's, it's famous, our back and forth. [6:04] It's gone viral. [6:04] So that's how, that's what the job is. [6:06] And I think outside of that too, is we can't miss the broader picture here. [6:11] And you know this, Don, you have a president who is attacking the press, who's attacking [6:17] the freedom of the press, who have banned reporters, ban outlets. [6:20] And that's a dangerous slope to go down because what that looks like is an authoritarian regime. [6:26] And so when you do that, when you attack the fourth estate, the freedom of the press [6:31] in the way that you, that he is doing, then you're attacking our democracy, you know? [6:36] And I, one of the things that I, and I, that I say about being at that podium behind that [6:40] lectern, it's not just the people in the room, the American people watching, heads of states [6:45] are watching what is being done and said in that briefing room, because we are the United [6:51] States of America, right? [6:52] We are the ones that are leading this world. [6:56] And so heads of states watch this. [6:59] They watch the briefing. [7:00] And so it is, it is, it is daunting when that is not taken seriously. [7:07] It is daunting when you have a president that attacks the freedom of the press. [7:12] It is dangerous, dangerous, dangerous, dangerous. [7:16] And so what you have seen the last two years is really, really basically a clear example of [7:23] what it could look like if we don't defend, defend our democracy every single day. [7:28] Okay. [7:29] And tell the truth. [7:30] And tell the truth. [7:30] Because you said, we've seen the last two years and everyone says, I'm going to say [7:36] this, Kareem might not say, this is Don Lemon speaking. [7:39] Everyone says, oh, well, you know, what was her name again? [7:43] Shit. [7:44] I can't even think of her name. [7:46] Who's the one just now? [7:48] Katie. [7:49] Yes. [7:50] It's all the K's. [7:51] No, there was a lot of K's. [7:53] No, that was Katie. [7:54] It was, it was, but you were a K too. [7:57] You were a Kareem. [7:59] Caroline, Caroline, Caroline. [8:00] Caroline, Caroline, Caroline. [8:01] Caroline Levitt. [8:03] Everyone says, oh, she did such a great job. [8:05] Now, I thought she did a good job. [8:07] My, Don Lemon speaking here, of playing a character. [8:10] I didn't think she did such a great job of being honest and forthright and, and, and just, [8:18] and, and just honest with the American people. [8:23] Because every time someone asked her a question she didn't like, she just insulted them. [8:27] Yeah. [8:27] And I don't remember you insulting people, calling them fake news, you know, enemy of the [8:32] people. [8:33] Jen Psaki didn't do it before you. [8:36] I didn't. [8:36] And so it was, it's easy if you don't like a question to say, Donald Trump is the best [8:41] president ever. [8:42] And for you to ask that question, you are fake news and you're a bias. [8:45] So that's not so hard to do. [8:47] And if you don't have to operate on facts, it's really easy just to spout off anything. [8:52] But when you want to give people a fulsome, that's the thing I was looking for, candid [8:57] assessment of what's happening in the world. [8:59] And you want to use facts. [9:00] Of course you, right. [9:01] You want to defend the person that you were there to speak for. [9:04] So, but when you, there's an art to doing it. [9:08] And so I didn't think she was such a, did such a great job at that. [9:11] Now, this woman, this was a horse of a whole nother color. [9:15] Let me play this. [9:16] And then I want you to watch this and then I'll get your assessment. [9:19] Watch this. [9:20] To officially be part of this incredible journey together. [9:24] And with that, I will take your questions here in our new media seat. [9:31] Hi everyone. [9:32] And she's reading the hello and welcome. [9:35] And then she's, it flashes between her saying different things. [9:39] And she's like looking at the script throughout the entire time. [9:42] And even at the end right there, you see she's doing it. [9:45] But then she takes one, she takes a couple of questions. [9:48] The one that was the, the right answer, or at least I thought one of the best answers [9:54] was like, okay, Kimberly Guilfoyle, we've asked her to leave. [9:56] Right. [9:57] And that's a tough thing to say that you've, that you're firing someone. [10:00] But then when she has, do we have the right one where she's asked about Ukraine? [10:06] I want to ask you a policy question. [10:08] Has the U.S. stopped sharing intel with Ukraine? [10:12] I'll have to get back to you on that. [10:14] Hi. [10:15] Yeah. [10:16] Great. [10:17] It's a hard job. [10:19] It's a hard job. [10:21] I, I, I mean, it's hard. [10:23] You cannot be up there unprepared. [10:25] And even, and here's the thing, even when you are prepared, you can have this house. [10:31] So can you imagine when you're not prepared to be up there and you cannot walk off the [10:35] street and be like, I'm going to be White House press secretary. [10:38] This is great. [10:39] It, it, you know, I think the best of us make it look easy. [10:43] It does. [10:43] And so people think that, but it is not easy. [10:47] It is not easy. [10:48] Um, and look, look, and you put that aside to take three questions in less than 15 minutes. [10:56] That's, that, that is not how that job is done. [10:59] You really, if you're going to go into that room, and this is what I'm saying about preparation. [11:03] If you go into that room, you got to be ready. [11:05] You got to be ready for domestic questions, for foreign policy questions. [11:08] You got to be ready for, you know, liberal progressive, you know, outlets, conservative [11:13] outlets, mainstream media, and you have to take it seriously. [11:18] You have to take it seriously. [11:20] And yes, when you're up there, obviously you're, you are representing the president's [11:26] platform, what the president believes. [11:29] And that is really, truly, genuinely one of the parts of the job, but you got to do it [11:35] truthfully. [11:36] You got to do it honestly. [11:38] You got to do it with grace. [11:39] You got to do it with respect. [11:41] And, you know, and I'll say this as well. [11:44] There's not a lot of love between any presidency and the press. [11:48] I'm not saying that it's a, it's a love relationship, right? [11:51] It is a tough relationship. [11:52] It doesn't matter if you're a Democrat or a Republican, but you have to respect the [11:55] process. [11:56] You have to respect why you're there. [11:58] You have to respect of the fact that this is a show of freedom of the press, a show of [12:02] our democracy. [12:03] It is an exercise that everybody is watching and wanting to see and wanting to hear what [12:10] we have to say, the White House, you know, and so that's the way that you have to think [12:16] about it. 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[13:52] Now, we showed yesterday her at least 10, 15 times on television saying, I'm as an attorney, [14:02] I'm general counsel, I'm an attorney, I'm an attorney, I'm an attorney. [14:05] And then now, as it turns out, she was not an attorney. [14:08] She went to law school, but she didn't pass the bar. [14:12] So she wasn't honest with that. [14:13] And that's, look, she lied. [14:16] And I know that's hard to hear and people say, but everyone's like, but did she lie? [14:20] She lied. [14:21] She said she was an attorney. [14:22] She's not an attorney. [14:22] Every attorney I've had on is saying, she went to law school. [14:26] She has a law degree, but she's not an attorney. [14:29] And she misrepresented herself. [14:31] And if she misrepresented herself about being a general counsel, if that's what she was telling [14:35] people as she was representing them in China, then she was lying about it. [14:40] And they think that she should face the consequences. [14:44] Now, this is her on Sean Hannity of all places being questioned. [14:50] And I want to hear, we showed her on Fox News earlier, [14:52] but this is her on Sean Hannity just last night. [14:55] Watch. [14:56] I was given the offer last Wednesday, or I got a phone call last Wednesday. [15:02] I flew out to D.C. on Thursday. [15:04] I had a meeting on Friday, was offered the job, flew home to California on Saturday, flew [15:10] back to Washington on Sunday, was asked to start on Monday, Sean, which is Columbus Day. [15:17] And so it's a federal holiday and have a press briefing at 9.30 in the morning on Tuesday. [15:22] So what I feel is I really stepped up and to the plate to do the press conference, Sean, [15:28] with very little prep time. [15:30] I received briefing materials in the morning of Tuesday. [15:33] And I went to deliver all of the great results that President Trump is delivering for the [15:39] American people that are not often spread in the national media. [15:44] So I took it as an opportunity so people would know what he's doing for Americans and how hard [15:50] he's working. [15:51] Yeah. [15:53] You can't go out there without, go ahead. [15:56] I mean, she just made my point, right? [15:58] I mean, two days, 24 hours, 48 hours to prepare. [16:03] That's not preparation. [16:04] That's not. [16:06] When Jen and I went through our process, it took us weeks and hours, months even, to prepare [16:14] before we did our first briefing. [16:18] That's how that works. [16:19] You can't, this is not a job that you can do in 24 hours or 48 hours. [16:24] You cannot, that is not enough prep time. [16:26] And for me, I was lucky because as principal deputy press secretary, I went to the podium [16:31] at least once a month before I took over and became press secretary. [16:37] And, and you, it is, it is a process that's draining, that's intense, the preparation process. [16:44] And that is, it's, you were, she was setting herself up to fail or they were setting herself [16:49] up for her to fail because that is not preparation. [16:54] That is not preparation. [16:56] And then even when you do your, your debut, you do your first time up at the podium, at [17:02] the, at the lectern, you spend four to five hours, hours every day, just to prepare for [17:09] that next briefing, sometimes in the evening. [17:12] So that preparation continues. [17:15] So what, so what she's saying, I mean, she's making the point. [17:18] She was not prepared. [17:20] She was not. [17:20] And, and, and, and it doesn't show seriousness for the job. [17:25] So, you know, I, I would have, I, this isn't, that's not how you do it. [17:30] You got to prepare. [17:31] It takes weeks. [17:31] It takes months. [17:33] It takes hours. [17:34] And you have to be the best that you can to be on your A game. [17:39] And again, you could be prepared and still have mishaps, but you go in and you take more [17:44] than three questions. [17:45] You spend more than 15 minutes, you get, you, you really have to garner the respect [17:50] of the room by even doing that, by even taking your time, 45 minutes, 16 minutes, just to [17:56] introduce yourself, just to get to know the rhythm and the feel of the room and the reporters [18:01] in there. [18:02] I mean, the fact that you didn't even do that. [18:05] Yeah. [18:05] Well, I mean, even beyond that, there is, um, uh, her admitting again, that she's not [18:13] an attorney. [18:14] Do we have that one where, that she didn't take the bar? [18:16] Do we have that one guys, if we do roll it? [18:20] Yes. [18:21] No, maybe so loading. [18:23] It's loading. [18:24] It's coming. [18:25] It's coming. [18:26] It's coming. [18:27] Yeah. [18:28] But I, so that is, that's going to pose another problem. [18:31] And my, my question is we'll get it when, when it comes, but is she gonna, does she survive [18:37] this? [18:38] How do you survive that? [18:39] I don't know. [18:40] I mean, it's hard to survive it when you're actually preparing and trying to be, do the [18:44] best that you can. [18:45] It is a, it is a tough job. [18:48] Um, and look, you know, this Don, like you were, you were, you know, you got to interview [18:52] us from the administration when you were, uh, when we were there and you asked the hard [18:57] questions, you pushed us, you know, and we did our best to answer those questions. [19:03] But that, but also that's, but that's the point, right? [19:06] There's not a love relationship, right? [19:08] It's a tough relationship. [19:10] It is a tough relationship, but we show up and we do the best to answer the questions, [19:15] right? [19:16] I want you to listen to this, Karina. [19:17] I want you to listen to this. [19:18] Here it is. [19:18] Okay. [19:18] Um, and I've known a lot of press secretaries over the years and following on the heels [19:23] of Caroline Leavitt is very tough. [19:25] Um, and I, and speaking for Donald Trump makes everything tougher. [19:30] Why not just say I went to Pepperdine Law School and then took a different career path [19:34] and I took the bar once and didn't pass it. [19:37] Why get into this long drawn out definition between the difference between a lawyer and [19:41] an attorney? [19:42] Because I don't think most people see much of a distinction. [19:45] Why didn't you just say, I never practiced law? [19:48] Well, Sean, I, when I moved back from the United States, I didn't retake the bar. [19:53] I had four kids in six years. [19:54] It was never my intent to go into the practice of law. [19:57] When I was at, when I went to go engage in media and give legal analysis, I consulted attorneys [20:03] and legal professionals as to whether or not they agreed that I could be labeled a lawyer, [20:08] both because I had a valid jurist doctor from a good law school, a reputable law school, Pepperdine [20:14] Law School. [20:15] And in conjunction with the fact that I did have actual substantive legal experience, I [20:20] wasn't providing any legal analysis, Sean, or I'm excuse me, legal advice. [20:24] I wasn't being paid for legal advice. [20:26] I was giving a general review of, of the legal circumstances surrounding it. [20:34] Yeah. [20:34] Karine. [20:34] Yeah, look, if she misled the country, the president, she's going to have to take, she's [20:41] going to have to deal with that. [20:41] She's going to have to answer hard questions and she's going to have to come forward with [20:45] what the reality is. [20:46] But here's the biggest thing, Don. [20:48] Yes, ma'am. [20:49] When you are a senior advisor, when you are working at the White House, there is a vetting [20:54] process. [20:55] Yeah. [20:56] You, a basic vetting process. [20:59] You have to do security clearance. [21:01] They check on you, right? [21:03] They look through the FBI, you know, the team that's put together to make sure that [21:08] you are allowed and can be with the president of the United States because you have access [21:15] to sensitive documents, sensitive materials, and you have to go through security clearance [21:21] at that level. [21:22] You have to. [21:23] So I don't think they did even a basic vetting. [21:27] I mean, just looking at her timeline of how she, when she was hired and when she started, [21:31] there was no vetting that happened. [21:33] And that's the question. [21:34] What is the White House vetting process? [21:37] This is not possible. [21:38] You cannot go into a job at the White House, be in the Oval Office, be on Marine One, be [21:45] on Air Force One, be around him while he's having sensitive conversation and not be vetted. [21:52] And so that is, you know, if you're misleading and no one caught that before, that's a problem. [22:01] Where was the White House vetting process? [22:03] Where was it? [22:04] What happened? [22:05] This is the president of the United States. [22:07] I'm worried. [22:14] Are you confident about the elections? [22:17] You heard the questions I was asking John Bolton. [22:19] Oh, yeah. [22:19] No, I listened. [22:20] I purposely hopped on early because I was like, I wanted to hear that conversation. [22:24] And we're talking about John Bolton, who was, as everybody knows, former advisor to Trump [22:29] and who has been very outspoken against him and very clear, which is, I think, good because [22:35] we need to hear what he has to say. [22:37] And, yeah, you asked about the, you know, the midterm election, should we be concerned? [22:42] You asked about Elon Musk and his role in 2024. [22:46] Look, here's what I say to people, you know, is you please go out and vote, exercise your [22:54] right to vote, vote early if you can. [22:57] And we have to do the best that we can to make sure we turn the tide of what is happening [23:02] in this country with this administration. [23:05] And now we have the power and the ability to do that. [23:09] My bigger concern is what you talked about, Don, which is what is going to be the reaction [23:14] to that? [23:15] What is going to be the reaction if and when Republicans lose the House? [23:20] And now you see the Senate is at play. [23:22] There's a possibility we're going to see some historic wins across the country, right? [23:27] Democrats have an opportunity here. [23:30] And the American people are paying attention because you know why? [23:33] The economy is horrible. [23:35] Our democracy is under attack. [23:38] You know, vulnerable communities are under attack. [23:41] And so people are feeling what this administration is doing incredibly personally. [23:45] They're feeling it and they're reacting to it. [23:49] And so if we can tap into that and they go out to vote and they speak loud and clear, [23:54] then we could see some good results. [23:56] I am more so worried about how this president reacts to that. [24:00] What is he going to do? [24:01] And John Bolton spoke to that. [24:04] When his back is against the wall, he does things that are unpredictable, scary, and terrible. [24:10] And so, look, Democrats' leadership has to be ready for whatever is about to happen. [24:18] And we, as private citizens, need to do our job and go out and vote, make sure our household is voting, [24:25] our community is voting, and make sure that we're making this really loud and clear. [24:29] And also, you know, the other reason I'm worried about what Trump might do is you're seeing him in deep red states. [24:37] They're spending, you know, the GOP is spending tens of millions of dollars in Texas, in Kansas, in deep red states. [24:44] And so that tells you that they don't feel like this is going to be a great outcome for them as well. [24:51] And history shows us that, you know, in their first midterm for a president, you know, that party who was in power in the White House, [24:58] there's going to be a change in Congress. [25:02] And so those are the things that I am concerned about. [25:05] But at the end of the day, we cannot let fear paralyze us. [25:09] We cannot let the what may happen, what he may do paralyze us. [25:13] We have an opportunity, an opportunity to change the tide, an opportunity to make sure we send a very loud message, [25:21] not just to Trump, but the GOP and say, no, this is not good. [25:25] We are we are not allowing this to happen. [25:28] But, Don, you know, this is look, you know, not to get ahead of the midterms here. [25:35] What we're going to see next year in the Democratic primary, I presume, is a big, wide open field. [25:41] And I think that's going to be super important to see a big, wide open field. [25:46] It's going to be important for the Democratic Party. [25:48] I think it's going to be important for the American people to hear what the Democratic Party is pushing forward, [25:54] what they're about, and to really show what the soul of that party is. [25:59] And I think it's going to be great to hear from diverse voices, from people with different backgrounds. [26:07] And that's what that's what I'm excited about to see for myself. [26:11] And I think we need that. [26:13] And so, you know, it's going to be, I think, come, you know, November, whenever this starts, [26:19] the Democratic primary starts for 2028 presidential. [26:23] It'll be I think it'll be it'll be fun. [26:25] I think it'll be fun. [26:26] It'll be good for us. [26:27] And and we'll have an opportunities to see some hope. [26:31] It'll be hopeful. [26:32] And we need that. [26:34] Well, we could. [26:35] I would say. [26:36] Yeah. [26:37] Who would say keep hope alive? [26:39] Keep hope alive. [26:40] Hey, that was Jesse Jackson. [26:41] Speaking of rest in peace, he ran for president. [26:45] And then we had Barack Obama talking about hope as well. [26:49] Yeah, we need that. [26:50] I think we need that. [26:52] We need that. [26:52] Thank you very much. [26:53] Thank you. [26:54] Thank you for having me. [26:54] Well, you'll be well. [26:55] Now, a great White House press secretary, Corrine Jean-Pierre. [27:11] So follow the Don Lemon show wherever you are. [27:14] YouTube, TikTok, Instagram, Facebook, Twitch, Substack, Spotify, iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts. [27:19] We are everywhere and we're there every day. [27:23] And if you want a little more, join the Lemon community. 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