Bombshell Video Shakes Up Charlie Kirk Murder Case

[00:00:00] Vinnie Politan: It is the highest profile case on the court TV docket, the assassination of Charlie Kirk, a moment that shook our politics and shocked the nation. And now prosecutors are trying to convince a judge there's enough evidence to take this case to trial. Yeah, eventually on the [00:00:18] Speaker 2: evening of the 11th, we received word from Washington County that an individual in that area had reached out to law enforcement and was wanting to turn themselves in for the incident at [00:00:35] Speaker 3: UVU. And did you at that point in time, did you receive a name from Washington County? Yes, we did. [00:00:41] Vinnie Politan: And what was that name? Tyler Robinson. This is a death penalty case and the defense is doing everything they can for this accused killer. It was your understanding the person they took [00:00:51] Speaker 4: into custody was close by Mr. Kirk. Is that right? Yep. But it didn't occur to you that well, that's not where I heard the shot come from. They must have the wrong person. I should talk to [00:01:02] Vinnie Politan: somebody. During the chaos moment, no. Meanwhile, Charlie Kirk's family is at the courthouse listening to the evidence, but leaving the courtroom when things get too graphic. This is a case that involves both circumstantial and direct evidence, everything a prosecutor would need to potentially convince a jury. [00:01:20] Speaker 2: We were able to establish that Mr. Robinson had been on campus approximately four times throughout the day, twice before the shooting, the time of the shooting, and then after the shooting later in the evening. [00:01:36] Vinnie Politan: But is there enough evidence to convince the online skeptics, those who believe the man being accused is just a patsy in the grand conspiracy? There is a lot of evidence in this case, but it was also a very chaotic crime scene. So the question is, did investigators do their job or did they miss something? That's why we're taking a close look at all the evidence and all the testimony. I'm Vinnie Politan. Let's investigate. So I mentioned that there's a lot of evidence in this case and a lot of different types of evidence. And let's start with the surveillance video, right? This guy is literally caught on camera. If you believe what the prosecution is telling you, right? If you believe the videos, if you believe they're real, right? He's literally caught on camera before, during, and after all of this. And the video of him during this, while you can't identify him from the video, it's direct evidence. It purports to be direct evidence of the shooter himself, okay? So you've got direct evidence right there, plus the circumstantial evidence of the video before and afterwards. You've also got this so-called love note confession made by the defendant to his lover, which also included a motivation for what he was doing, right? I'm going after him. This guy's full of hate, etc. His lover's going through a transition. All of that is direct evidence. If you are saying, if you are admitting to doing something, that is direct evidence of the crime, right? Your words. Again, if you believe it, if you believe he wrote the note, if you believe those are his words, that is direct evidence. It's also a DNA case. There's DNA involved in this case, including the murder weapon, or alleged murder weapon, directly connecting the defendant to the weapon. So you've got direct, you've got circumstantial, you've got DNA that we love, surveillance video. Like, it's wrapped in a nice bow. I look at this case as a former prosecutor. It's exactly what you would want. So what's the defense? Like, if this guy didn't do it, was he framed? Is that the defense, that he was framed? I don't know where else you go. Like, someone else did it? Okay, well, where is the evidence pointing to someone else? And don't tell me, well, they didn't do a full and complete investigation, because they did. So there is a lot of evidence. It's strong evidence. It's, from my perspective, potentially overwhelming. But you have to trust the evidence. And I think that's where part of the break is here with those who are still skeptical of the case against the defendant here. Now, that's for us looking at this case, right? We're looking at, can you prove it? Will that happen? For Erica Kirk, it's a much different experience, this trial. It's deeply personal. And it's no different for her than any other murder victim. And when you say murder victim, those are the family, the loved ones of the victim in a murder trial. They are considered victims. And it's a different experience. It just is. I want to show you some photos, because we've seen a lot of the video from inside the courtroom. But how about some photos from outside the courthouse? You get a better flavor for what's happening. And we begin by taking a look at the parents of the victim here. Charlie's parents. And to put on a strong front like that is difficult. Obviously, they've been dealing with this for a while now. But this is the new chapter. This is when you're in the courtroom with your son's alleged killer. It's a much different experience. And I think you see it more on the face of Erica Kirk, how tough this is. Like I recognize that face. I've seen that many times in courtrooms across the country. That is the face of a victim. Not easy. Not easy at all. So what I want to do right now is take a listen to the judge, because the judge, in this case, very cognizant of what it's like to be a victim and what it's like to be in a courtroom when some of this evidence occurs. Take a listen to what he did. Before we get started, [00:06:25] Speaker 5: I want to clarify on the record that pursuant to the Utah Constitution Section 1, I'm sorry, Article 1, Section 28, where victims and victims' representatives are entitled to be treated with dignity and respect. That if they choose to leave the courtroom, they can come back whenever they wish. They're not prohibited to coming back solely at the break. So I just wanted to clarify that in case there was any [00:06:57] Vinnie Politan: question about that. And that's important, right? Utah recognizes what it's like to be a victim. Give them some dignity. Because in this case, they're really locking down the courtroom. Many courtrooms, you can come in and out during the course of any trial. But in this particular trial, the judge is like, if you're in, you're in. When you leave, you're out. Okay? We don't want people coming in, coming out, coming in, coming out. Okay. But if you're Erica, if you're Charlie's parents, if you're the victim in this case, you're going to be treated with some level of dignity. To further understand the experience of what's happening inside, I want to put something else on the screen. Brian Enten, great reporter for NewsNation, was inside the courtroom first day, made these observations. And I think they're very telling about the experience for everyone inside the courtroom. And Brian Enten writes, "Seen from inside the Tyler Robinson courtroom. Erica Kirk was crying before the hearing started." Crying. Like the realization, "Okay, now we're going to go through all this." Donald Trump Jr.'s in the front row with his wife. The suspect, the defendant, was laughing with his attorney before the hearing started, right? He won't be laughing as you get closer to the end of the trial. That's when the realization hits most defendants. Like it's over. My life is in the hands. And in this case, a death penalty case, my life is literally in the hands of those 12 strangers. So while he's laughing now, that will change when you get to the end of the trial. And then there was a description of the shooting. And that's when Erica Kirk left the courtroom. So you can see the real impact that this does have. Like this is the reality of it for the victims. And I thought that was important to recognize and acknowledge. Because we tend to get into the evidence. We get into the rulings, all of that. And what can't get lost in the sauce is that the man died. Parents are burying a child. A mom is raising her kids without the dad there, without their dad. Okay, let's get back now to the testimony. And David Hall, lead case agent, putting together a timeline through the surveillance video, being able to track the movements of the defendant in this case. Let's watch this because this is a big, big part of the case that will be presented in front of a jury if this goes to trial. [00:09:33] Speaker 3: Okay, what are we seeing here, Agent Hall? [00:09:36] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: That's the vehicle that is believed to belong to Mr. Robinson arriving in the parking garage on campus. [00:09:41] Speaker 3: Yeah, at what time in the morning? Well, what time in the day? [00:09:44] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: It's approximately 8:30 in the morning on September 10th, 2025. [00:09:48] Speaker 3: And what leads you to believe that this particular vehicle belongs to Mr. Robinson? [00:09:54] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Information that was provided regards to driver's license and department of motor vehicle records. The vehicle fits the description of a vehicle owned by Mr. Robinson. [00:10:06] Speaker 3: Is there anything unique about that vehicle that stands out to you? [00:10:09] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: The shape of the vehicle is very distinct, but predominantly the wheels were very very distinctive on this version of the vehicle. [00:10:17] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: Now what do we see? [00:10:19] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: The driver of the vehicle exits the vehicle and then walks on foot to exit the parking garage. It's the individual in the red t-shirt and the shorts and the shoes. [00:10:33] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And do you believe you recognize who that person is? Agent Hall: Yes. Agent Hall: Who is that? Agent Hall: I believe that's Tyler Robinson. [00:10:40] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: All right, where does he go from there? Agent Hall: He heads out of the parking garage on foot into the campus and actually goes to the quad area of the campus. At that time he makes contact with some representatives from TPUSA. [00:10:58] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: By quad area? [00:10:59] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Sorry, the amphitheater is what I previously referred it to. [00:11:04] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: All right, so he goes up on campus, visits the amphitheater area, the courtyard or quad. [00:11:09] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Correct. [00:11:09] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And then what do we see here now? [00:11:11] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: He returns on foot back to the same vehicle. Agent Hall: And what time is he returning back to the vehicle? Agent Hall: It's about 9:25 AM. Agent Hall: What do we see now? Agent Hall: That's the vehicle exiting with Mr. Robinson driving the vehicle. [00:11:25] Vinnie Politan: Agent Hall: Let's hold it right there for a second. Agent Hall: So this is significant, right? Agent Hall: He shows up early in the morning, 8:30 in the morning and is sort of scouting the place out, according to prosecutors, talking to some of the representatives from Turning Point and trying to get an idea, putting together his plan for the day. Agent Hall: And it's amazing how they were able to go through hundreds and hundreds of hours of video Agent Hall: To isolate and find the suspect. Agent Hall: Let's continue to watch. [00:12:06] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: Now what do we see? [00:12:08] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: This is Mr. Robinson returning to the campus on foot from the neighborhood to the northeast. Agent Hall: You can see he's wearing the same clothing as in the previous video. Agent Hall: And he's carrying a blue backpack. Agent Hall: Describe the clothing. Agent Hall: It's a maroon-colored T-shirt with gray or olive-colored shorts and then Converse shoes. [00:12:31] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And what time did he return to campus? [00:12:37] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Just after 10 a.m. [00:12:39] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And does he leave the parking structure eventually? [00:12:43] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: He does, yes. [00:12:44] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And during this visit, do you know where he goes after he leaves the parking structure? [00:12:49] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Yes, we were able to track his movements on campus. He went to Chick-fil-A in the Sorenson building and purchased some food, sat and ate the food. [00:13:01] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And where did he purchase the food from? [00:13:04] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Chick-fil-A in the Sorenson Center. [00:13:05] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And where is that in relation to the amphitheater or the courtyard? [00:13:11] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: It's kind of on the northeast side of the amphitheater. It would be on the upper back edge of the amphitheater, furthest away from where the tent was that Mr. Koch was in. [00:13:23] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And from there, where does he go? [00:13:25] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: From there, he moves across campus, out across campus drive into a wooded area on what would be kind of the northeast side of campus drive. Then returns back onto campus. We noticed at this point that he's no longer carrying the backpack that he was originally wearing. He moves through the Gunther building and the computer science building. Agent Hall: And then goes where? Agent Hall: I'm sorry? Agent Hall: And then goes where? Agent Hall: Then goes across to the railing that gives access to the roof of the Loci building. Agent Hall: From there? Agent Hall: From there, he comes back down the stairs and walks off campus from that point. [00:14:10] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And about what time was that, that he left campus, that second time? Do you know? [00:14:17] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: I believe it was approximately 11 a.m. or just after, if I recall. I could verify from my notes if you need an exact time. [00:14:24] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: Yeah, if you don't mind. [00:14:26] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: It was just prior to 11 a.m. when he walked off campus. Agent Hall: Okay. [00:14:29] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: What do we see displayed here now? [00:14:32] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Go ahead. Agent Hall: This is a video of Mr. Robinson returning back to campus the same way that he did previously on foot. [00:14:40] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And this takes just a moment. [00:14:42] Vinnie Politan: Agent Hall: Let's hold it there for one second. Agent Hall: So, if you recall the evidence when it originally came out. Agent Hall: He comes to campus goes in the garage, but then parks off campus and then walks to the campus. Agent Hall: You recall there was video of him walking through the neighborhood ring video of him in the actual neighborhood. Agent Hall: And now, as we watch him, the clothes have changed. Agent Hall: He's wearing different clothing, no longer wearing shorts, now wearing long pants. Agent Hall: And notice the way he walks, because the allegation by prosecutors is that the gun is down his pant leg. Agent Hall: Let's watch. [00:15:23] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And why? Agent Hall: Well, let me ask you this. Agent Hall: You believe this is Mr. Robinson returning to campus? Agent Hall: I do, yes. Agent Hall: Okay. Agent Hall: And what do you believe is Mr. Robinson? [00:15:34] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: The shoes are the same, and the images that we have are from my viewing and seeing Mr. Robinson on the video, it's the same person. [00:15:50] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: He's noticeably wearing different clothing. [00:15:52] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: He is wearing different clothing, and he also is walking with a gait or a limp in this video. Agent Hall: With a gait or what? Agent Hall: A limp. Agent Hall: Okay. Agent Hall: Now what do we see? Agent Hall: This is Mr. Robinson coming up the stairs of the parking structure. Agent Hall: Again, he seems to be having issues walking. [00:16:23] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And again, were you able to track Mr. Robinson when he leaves this parking structure? [00:16:42] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Yes, we were able to. Agent Hall: Okay. [00:16:45] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: Where does he go? [00:16:47] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: He comes up around Campus Drive, as you can see on the video here. Agent Hall: There is a cut through there north of the Loci building, and that's Mr. Robinson coming up the sidewalk. Agent Hall: He has the noticeable gait or limp in his walk, and then he moves south across the front of the Loci building. Agent Hall: On the sidewalk? Agent Hall: Yes, correct. Agent Hall: Okay. Agent Hall: He would be the rear of the two individuals in this particular video. [00:17:17] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: So right now, if we were to break this picture into quadrants, where would he be? [00:17:23] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: He would be in the top left quadrant, walking to the left of the image. Agent Hall: Now what do we see? Agent Hall: This is an image looking across the parking lot to the Loci building, and Mr. Robinson is appearing on the exterior staircase, which gives access to the Loci building roof and the area where the railing was. [00:17:43] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And again, let's break that image into quadrants. Where would he be located if you broke it into quadrants? [00:17:50] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: It's in the top right, and the individual can be seen moving under the notations that are on the video. Agent Hall: Okay. Agent Hall: And what time is this? Agent Hall: It's just afternoon, about 12:15. Agent Hall: On what day? Agent Hall: On December, sorry December, September 10th, 2025. Agent Hall: Okay. [00:18:15] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: What just happened, or what did we just see happen? [00:18:17] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: The individual actually kind of rolls over the railing onto the roof of the Loci building. Agent Hall: All right. Agent Hall: And again, in the top left corner, the individual is now seen running across the rooftop of the Loci building to what would be the southwest corner of the building, crouching down and then crawling to the corner of the building. Agent Hall: And this is at what time? Agent Hall: Around 12:23. I think the time stamp on the video is 12:22. Agent Hall: On the 10th? Agent Hall: On September 10th, yes. Agent Hall: 2025. [00:19:00] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: But we're clear, this is the roof of the Loci building. [00:19:03] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Correct. [00:19:06] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: Can you still see that individual? [00:19:07] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Yes, you can, lane prone. [00:19:10] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And how long is he out there on the edge of the building? [00:19:14] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Just until the reported shot was fired at 12:23 and 28. Agent Hall: The individual then stands up and then moves across the building to the north. Agent Hall: Is that what we're seeing happening right now? Agent Hall: It is, yes. Agent Hall: And they move behind the atrium area on the rooftop to the northeast corner where the white triangle is. [00:19:40] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: Do you see Mr. Robinson now? [00:19:42] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: I do, yes. He's just arriving at the corner of the building, the almost top center of the image. Agent Hall: What are we seeing now? Agent Hall: Mr. Robinson, lowering and jumping off of the roof of the Loci building onto the grass area. Agent Hall: And then moving away towards campus drive. Agent Hall: And he appears to be carrying some kind of an object in his hand at this time. [00:20:12] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: So he's approaching? Agent Hall: Campus drive. Agent Hall: And again, broken into quadrants. Where is he currently? Agent Hall: In the top right quadrant. [00:20:32] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: And the time? Agent Hall: It's 12:24 and 42 on the time stamp. Agent Hall: What do we see now? Agent Hall: He then crosses campus drive and drops down into the wooded area on the far side of campus drive. [00:20:49] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And that is located in what part of the video? What quadrant? [00:20:52] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: It would have been just off center on the top left side. Agent Hall: What do we see now? Agent Hall: This is the intersection of campus drive and 800 south. Agent Hall: There's a vehicle attempting to turn right onto campus drive. Agent Hall: That's the vehicle that's driven by Mr. Robinson. [00:21:11] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And on this, on the screen, where is that vehicle that you're referring to located? If you broke it into quadrants? [00:21:17] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: It's on the left side, on the upper side, the upper quadrant. Agent Hall: Now what do we see? Agent Hall: That vehicle is now pulling away and heading east on 800 south. [00:21:31] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And why do you believe that that vehicle is Mr. Robinson's vehicle? [00:21:35] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: When that vehicle was stopped, it actually made contact with an officer who was doing security detail. [00:21:41] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And do you know who that officer is? Agent Hall: Officer Goforth. Agent Hall: Okay. And do you know which department he works for? [00:21:46] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: Spanish Fork, please. [00:21:47] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And did you have a conversation with Mr. Goforth regarding this interaction at that intersection? [00:21:54] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: I did, yes. [00:21:55] Speaker 3: Agent Hall: And what time was that interaction? I'm sorry, did I ask you that? [00:21:58] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: It was approximately 12:30 AM. [00:22:02] Vinnie Politan: Agent Hall: On the 11th? [00:22:04] Speaker 2: Agent Hall: On September 11th, 2025. [00:22:06] Vinnie Politan: Agent Hall: Returning to the scene. Not only do they have him beforehand, they have him afterwards returning. And remember, more of their evidence, more of their theory in this case, is that he wanted to go back to retrieve some of the evidence that he left behind, Agent Hall: And specifically, the alleged murder weapon. Agent Hall: Officer Chris Bagley is an important witness and really a key figure in this investigation. Agent Hall: I mean, based upon his testimony, he's the one who located where the alleged shooter was. Agent Hall: And he did it pretty quickly based upon just kind of being at the scene and looking up at the Agent Hall: line of sight of where the shooter could have been. Agent Hall: And when he climbed up on the roof, he found what he called the sniper pad. Agent Hall: And again, this is significant evidence. Agent Hall: This is putting the pieces together, matching the sniper pad with the video of the figure Agent Hall: that is walking across the roof. Agent Hall: You put all that together, you can prove this case in front of a jury. Agent Hall: Let's take a listen to Chris Bagley, Officer Chris Bagley, talking about that sniper pad. [00:23:17] Speaker 6: Officer Bagley: So Officer, will you describe for the court what it is that you're looking at? [00:23:22] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: That's what I'm looking at is Officer Bagley: I'm on top of the Loci building, which is where the gravel is on towards the bottom center. Officer Bagley: I'm looking west towards the tent, which is in the upper center that you got a white tent. Officer Bagley: You can see the grass down there in the amphitheater. Officer Bagley: You got the Hall of Flags that's more towards the top center and behind that you've got I-15. Officer Bagley: But what I'm looking at is in the disturbance of the gravel is what I saw that day. [00:23:50] Speaker 6: Officer Bagley: Okay, and what can you describe for the record that disturbance? Officer Bagley: [00:23:54] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: To me, when I when I got up there and I could see the disturbance of gravel. Officer Bagley: To me, it looks like a a sniper pad, a person that has been laying in a prone position. Officer Bagley: And you've got markings of elbows, knees and feet to where somebody was in the line of sight of where Charlie's tent was. Officer Bagley: Then I realized that we probably. [00:24:13] Vinnie Politan: Officer Bagley: Hold it right there. I mean, absolutely compelling. Officer bagley: This is evidence that fits everything that prosecutors are putting together here. Officer Bagley: But the one issue that I that I think has to be addressed throughout all of this because the fevered pitch online about. Officer Bagley: This guy being a Patsy and being set up for this whole thing. Officer Bagley: This testimony from this officer, he is a crucial figure. Officer Bagley: And the investigation will be a crucial figure at the trial. Officer Bagley: If the judge finds that there's enough evidence. Officer Bagley: He would have to be like the main man in all of this. Officer Bagley: Like he's the one driving this alleged conspiracy. Officer Bagley: Because of everything that he's testifying to what he's finding and the pieces that he's putting together. Officer Bagley: So his credibility absolutely significant important for prosecutors in this case. Officer Bagley: And I'm just wondering if the defense is going to go down that road. Officer Bagley: We don't know if they will. Officer Bagley: We don't know if they will. Officer Bagley: It could be a dangerous road for them, nonetheless. Officer Bagley: But let's continue to listen to the testimony officer, Chris Bagley. Officer Bagley: Someone who put the pieces together so quickly in this case. [00:25:27] Speaker 7: Chris Bagley: I realized that we probably didn't have our shooter in custody from that moment. Chris Bagley: I asked dispatch to get on the camera system and to see if anybody was on top of the low sea building during the time of the incident. [00:25:39] Speaker 6: Officer Bagley: Were you advised of anything? [00:25:41] Speaker 7: Chris Bagley: I was. Chris Bagley: Dispatch came back and advised me that there was a male individual on top of the roof that was there at the time of the shooting. [00:25:49] Speaker 6: Officer Bagley: Did they describe what his movements were? [00:25:51] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: They did. They stated that he ran to the edge, dropped down, crawled, got in a prone position. [00:25:57] Speaker 6: Officer Bagley: I'm going to stop you right there. You ran to the edge. What direction and what edge? [00:26:02] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: Running west and southwest of the low sea building. So ran towards the tent of where Charlie Kirk was so they could get a line of sight. And then the individual stood up after the shooting and ran northeast on the top of the low sea building. [00:26:20] Speaker 6: Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: You mentioned that this individual on the video dropped off, off the edge. Did you get that for you? Chris Bagley: I haven't mentioned that. Officer Bagley: Oh, what happened? What else was described to you? [00:26:32] Speaker 7: Chris Bagley: Then, well, at that moment, so I knew that there was possibly a shooter on the run. [00:26:38] Speaker 6: Officer Bagley: What else was described to you? [00:26:41] Speaker 7: Chris Bagley: At that moment, I actually knew I had responding units come into the scene. I advised other officers that I needed the low sea building secured, searched, because I didn't know exactly what way other than he ran north. That moment, I went down to the police department, which is just down the stairwell, and looked at the video myself. [00:27:02] Speaker 6: Officer Bagley: Where is the police department located? [00:27:06] Speaker 7: Chris Bagley: It's in the Gunther Trade Building, just directly to the south of the low sea building. Officer Bagley: Okay. Chris Bagley: So where I described those outside stairs, the building to the left of that, or south, would be the Gunther Trade Building. [00:27:18] Speaker 6: Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: On what level is the police department? [00:27:21] Speaker 7: Chris Bagley: It's level three. [00:27:22] Speaker 6: Officer Bagley: Level three. Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: Upon arriving at the police department, what did you do next then? [00:27:26] Speaker 7: Chris Bagley: I then look at the footage to verify for myself exactly what expired on that moment, where I could see an individual run to the edge, get up, and then run off, and then drop off the northeast side of the building, of the low sea building. Officer Bagley: Okay. [00:27:43] Speaker 6: Officer Bagley: Having viewed that, what did you do next? [00:27:46] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: At that moment, I realized I had a bigger crime scene that I needed to contain and preserve for evidence. Officer Bagley: At that moment, I went and grabbed some more crime scene tape, and I responded to the northeast side of the building, and secured an area where I saw impressions of the shoe print inside the grass, and also up above on that northeast side of the building, Officer Bagley: I could see on the cement where some had scuffed there, and then dropped down to the shoe imprint, and then finished going northeast. [00:28:18] Vinnie Politan: Officer Bagley: Hold it right here for a second. Officer Bagley: This is impressive. Officer Bagley: I mean, think about, like, all of this is happening that day. Officer Bagley: Like, us who were watching it on social media, like, we're scrambling, trying to figure out what happened. Officer Bagley: Here's an officer who's in the middle of the whole thing, heard the shot, was on the roof, Officer Bagley: just above where Charlie Kirk was when he was shot. Officer Bagley: And he's putting pieces together. Officer Bagley: He's finding evidence. Officer Bagley: He's sealing off the crime scene. Officer Bagley: This is the guy, like, this is the guy who is basically solving this crime piece by piece. Officer Bagley: Calling up other officers. Officer Bagley: Hey, take a look at the video. Officer Bagley: What do you see in the video? Officer Bagley: They're going through the video. Officer Bagley: He tells them what to look for. Officer Bagley: They spot it. Officer Bagley: He takes a look at it himself. Officer Bagley: Which way is he going? Officer Bagley: Then he goes to the scene. Officer Bagley: Now I'm sealing everything off. Officer Bagley: I mean, this is impressive police work. Officer Bagley: And I think that's something that prosecutors have to stress here. Officer Bagley: Is how impressive all this is. Officer Bagley: Now, there's something else I want to show you right now, Officer Bagley: which is another crucial piece of evidence in the whole case, Officer Bagley: which is the alleged murder weapon, the rifle. Officer Bagley: This was obtained by the New York Post, this image. Officer Bagley: And you'll recall some of the other evidence Officer Bagley: is going to attempt to prove that he had dropped the gun Officer Bagley: and intended to retrieve it later to come back for it, Officer Bagley: and had left it at the scene and couldn't get there Officer Bagley: because everything was sealed off. Officer Bagley: So you couldn't get back to retrieve the gun. Officer Bagley: It was eventually found based upon the search Officer Bagley: and the sort of the pattern of of where the suspect had been running. Officer Bagley: The key to this piece of evidence is is there's two links. Officer Bagley: First link is DNA like that's an incredible link. Officer Bagley: They claim they have DNA connected to to the weapon. Officer Bagley: That's number one. Officer Bagley: Number two is it's a very specific weapon. Officer Bagley: It's a weapon that was allegedly given to the suspect by his grandfather. Officer Bagley: So this is kind of like a family heirloom as well. Officer Bagley: So it can be easily identifiable either by a member of the suspect's family. Officer Bagley: And remember, that was a big part of why they suspected Officer Bagley: their own son in all of this. Officer Bagley: So great police work happening at the scene. Officer Bagley: The weapon retrieved as a result of all of that. Officer Bagley: To me, great evidence circumstantial evidence Officer Bagley: That that puts together a story, a narrative that is easy for the jury to follow. Officer Bagley: It seems the only way to undermine this would be that, hey, all this evidence is planted. Officer Bagley: This guy's being framed and this is some grand conspiracy. Officer Bagley: Every defendant has a defense. Officer Bagley: And while I'm talking about how strong the prosecution evidence evidence appears to be, Officer Bagley: there'll be a defense and you have an attorney like Catherine Nestor. Officer Bagley: She's going to put up a very aggressive defense. Officer Bagley: So I want to focus in on one of the issues that she was focusing in on, Officer Bagley: which was the lack of security at the actual event. Officer Bagley: And as we know, there was a, you know, not a ton of security at the event. Officer Bagley: But why would there be right? Officer Bagley: Why would there be a he's not he's not the president, he's not even an elected official. Officer Bagley: Charlie Kirk is a political person. Officer Bagley: But he doesn't, you know. Officer Bagley: Hold office, so he doesn't have secret service things. Officer Bagley: I mean, it's different. Officer Bagley: Yeah, he's a huge celebrity. Officer Bagley: Yes, he's a political activist. Officer Bagley: But at the same point, like, why would you expect a ton of security at this event? Officer Bagley: But that's something that the defense is focusing on. Officer Bagley: And I'm wondering if, again, this is going to be them planting a seed that there was a lack of security. Officer Bagley: So why was there a lack of security at this event? Officer Bagley: Right? Officer Bagley: Was it because there was some grand plan to set someone up for this killing and someone else is actually doing it? Officer Bagley: And there was no and that's why they didn't want security there? Officer Bagley: Or is it just a lack of security planting the seed that, hey, it could be anyone? Officer Bagley: Because there wasn't enough security there. Officer Bagley: Anyone could have brought a weapon into this event. Officer Bagley: Right? Officer Bagley: So I think there's two parts to this. Officer Bagley: Let's take a look. [00:32:42] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: Did you attend any type of debrief or briefing or meeting to prepare for the security of this event? [00:32:50] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: I did not because that morning when I got there, we had individuals on top of the Hall of Flags. So when I walked in, I just checked on, was going to get my uniform on. The Chief Long got a text or an email or phone call stating that there's people on top of the Hall of Flags, throwing stuff down to the tent. Therefore, he sent the two officers that were on duty down to secure the area. I got dressed and then came back and then went to the Hall of Flags to secure that area. Officer Bagley: [00:33:18] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: So you never attended any kind of, I'll just use the word, debrief or meeting to talk about what the officers on scene were going to do that day to keep everybody safe? [00:33:29] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: No, not that morning. [00:33:30] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: Do you know if there was such a meeting? [00:33:32] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: I don't know because when I got there, it was starting to, people were throwing stuff down on the tent. [00:33:37] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: And do you know how many UVU officers you guys employ normally? [00:33:45] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: Employ, there was 15. [00:33:46] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: And do you know how many were assigned to cover that event that day? [00:33:49] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: That were assigned to cover it? Officer Bagley: There was six of us that were, there was patrol one and then five others that were there with the chief. [00:33:56] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: Did you all have an idea there were going to be thousands and thousands of people there? Was that a surprise to you? [00:34:02] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: I had an idea. [00:34:04] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: And you only had five officers? Officer Bagley: Six, yes. Officer Bagley: Six, I'm sorry, counting you, I was thinking. [00:34:09] Speaker ?: Officer Bagley: Yes. [00:34:09] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: Hold it there for one second. [00:34:11] Vinnie Politan: Officer Bagley: So this could be, you know, part of a theme for the defense, right? Officer Bagley: You've got this overwhelming evidence, but you've got to try to break it down somehow. Officer Bagley: That hey, there's no one there, there's no security. Officer Bagley: That's kind of odd, why isn't there security? Officer Bagley: Like, we all know now how huge of a story this is, how big of a trial this is as well, and how much impact all this had on our nation, right? Officer Bagley: Yet there's only six officers there. Officer Bagley: But was that the norm? Officer Bagley: Like when Charlie Kirk went to go speak at campuses, and I don't think this is a huge campus, how much security was there normally? Officer Bagley: Like, was there anything out of the ordinary here? Officer Bagley: I think that might be important to know, but in a vacuum like this in the world we live in, Officer Bagley: Even knowing how big of a story this was, it does seem kind of odd, right? Officer Bagley: And then all of a sudden, you might have one or two jurors saying, yeah, that's kind of strange. Officer Bagley: Why are there only six officers there with thousands of people? Officer Bagley: Let's watch. [00:35:12] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: And of those six officers, are you all armed? Officer Bagley: Do you carry weapons? Officer Bagley: Yes. Officer Bagley: What type of weapons do you carry? [00:35:21] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: Glock, pistols. Officer Bagley: Okay. [00:35:22] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: And was there any use Officer Bagley: On campus of, I think they're called magnetometers, but Officer Bagley: The machines you walk through at TSA in the airport, Officer Bagley: Where it checks to see if you're carrying anything metal, Officer Bagley: What we all had to go through to get in the courtroom, Officer Bagley: Were there any machines like that set up or being used on campus that day? [00:35:45] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: No. [00:35:46] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: And as far as you know, Officer Bagley: Were there any drones that were flying above campus that day? [00:35:55] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: Not that I know of. [00:35:57] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: And did anyone ever talk to you about covering anything Officer Bagley: Near or on top of or in the low C building? Officer Bagley: Were you ever signed that area Officer Bagley: Before the shooting? [00:36:08] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: No. [00:36:08] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: Do you know who was? Officer Bagley: I don't. Officer Bagley: And when you got up to the roof that afternoon, Officer Bagley: Was anybody around that was law enforcement? [00:36:20] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: No. [00:36:20] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: Nobody on the roof? Officer Bagley: No. Officer Bagley: Nobody on the stairway? Officer Bagley: No. Officer Bagley: Nobody on the walkway? [00:36:26] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: No. [00:36:27] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: And in the state of Utah, is a campus a gun-free zone? Officer Bagley: Are students allowed to have guns on campus? [00:36:40] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: It's an open carry state, so yes. [00:36:42] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: And did you see anybody? Officer Bagley: Anybody that was armed that day other than law enforcement? [00:36:50] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: I did not see. [00:36:51] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: Were you aware of whether Mr. Kirk had his own security team present there with him? Officer Bagley: Yes. Officer Bagley: Did you communicate with any of those people? [00:37:09] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: I saw one individual that was on top of the hall of flags right next to me, yes. [00:37:13] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: Okay, and that was before the shooting? [00:37:15] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: Yes, and then I saw several down in the crowds and down by him, yes. [00:37:19] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: And were you aware of whether that person was armed either? [00:37:22] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: I was aware he was armed. [00:37:23] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: Was there any other law enforcement agency besides Mr. Kirk's private security team Officer Bagley: and your six officers including you that were covering that event that day? Officer Bagley: In other words, did you have any Provo police or Orem police or anyone that you knew of or federal agencies? [00:37:43] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: I don't know. [00:37:44] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: You never saw any that day? [00:37:46] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: No, not until the response came in. [00:37:48] Speaker 4: Officer Bagley: And you did mention, I think I heard you just a few minutes ago testify you turned over the scene on the roof to a woman who was a deputy sheriff, right? Officer Bagley: Yes. Officer Bagley: And that you turned over the scene where the individual dropped off to, I believe you said, was it Orem police? [00:38:05] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: Payson. [00:38:05] Speaker 4: Officer Officer Bagley: Payson police, thank you. Officer Bagley: Those people weren't there until after the shooting, right? Officer Bagley: They were part of just a response of everybody in the area? Officer Bagley: Correct. Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: Did you receive any type of briefing materials, written materials prior to the event Officer Bagley: that talked about who would be covering what or anything like that? [00:38:27] Speaker 7: Officer Bagley: No, not that morning. Officer Bagley: Like I said, it started getting hectic. Officer Bagley: So we were trying to get down to the security area and push people away from the top of the tent. [00:38:37] Vinnie Politan: Officer Bagley: Are you going to blame police for this? Officer Bagley: Like, the security, it's obvious that there wasn't enough security to stop the shooter. Officer Bagley: But what else does that mean? Officer Bagley: Does that mean that somebody else did it? Officer Bagley: Or it was much more possible that somebody else did it? Officer Bagley: I'm trying to follow this completely. Officer Bagley: But it's obvious like Charlie Kirk was assassinated. Officer Bagley: There wasn't enough security there to prevent that from happening. Officer Bagley: There was a lack of coordination. Officer Bagley: Again, where is the defense going with this? Officer Bagley: Are they going to go any further and try to imply that this was some sort of an inside job? Officer Bagley: And that's why there's no security there that day. Officer Bagley: Surveillance video is going to play a huge role in this case. Officer Bagley: And I want to play for you some testimony. Officer Bagley: David Hull, former investigator, State Bureau of Investigations, Major Crimes Division, talking about the suspect visiting the campus beforehand and afterwards. Officer Bagley: To me, the significance beforehand, premeditation, plotting and planning of the crime. Officer Bagley: Going there afterwards, perhaps to retrieve some evidence. Officer Bagley: I think this is something that he left behind like the weapon itself. Officer Bagley: So all of this again plays into the complete picture that prosecutors are putting together. Officer Bagley: Let's take a listen. [00:40:01] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Approximately how many hours of UVU video do you think you personally had seen or watched? [00:40:09] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Myself, maybe 10 or 20 hours of video, being called in to look at different camera angles and different views of individuals. Officer Bagley: But there was a large team of people reviewing video. Officer Bagley: Reviewing video? [00:40:29] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Yeah, from UVU. Officer Bagley: Were some of them SBI agents? Officer Bagley: Yes, correct. Officer Bagley: And combined, how much video do you think you watched that first day on the 10th? [00:40:40] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: It would be in the tens or hundreds of hours of video was reviewed. [00:40:44] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: Did anything else come along that helped you identify who that shooter might be? [00:40:50] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Yeah. Officer Bagley: Eventually on the evening of the 11th, we received word from Washington County that an individual in that area had reached out to law enforcement and was wanting to turn themselves in for the incident at UVU. Officer Bagley: Okay. [00:41:11] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: And did you, at that point in time, did you receive a name from Washington County? [00:41:15] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Yes, we did. [00:41:16] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: And what was that name? [00:41:17] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Tyler Robinson. [00:41:19] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: What, if anything, did you do with that information, the name Tyler Robinson? [00:41:24] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: That information was given to our SIAC, or our state information and analysis group, and they put together what would be called a workup. Officer Bagley: So they would look at driver's license records, DMV records, to determine addresses, obtain pictures of individuals, and then any associated vehicles or things like that. [00:41:44] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: So was that done with Mr. Robinson? [00:41:47] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: It was, yes. [00:41:48] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Driver's license record was pulled? Officer Bagley: Yes. Officer Bagley: Did that include, if you remember, or do you know, did that include a photograph of Mr. Robinson? [00:41:54] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: It did include a photograph of Mr. Robinson, yes. Officer Bagley: How about an address and date of birth? Officer Bagley: There was an address and a date of birth, and I believe a DMV record for an associated vehicle. Officer Bagley: All right. [00:42:05] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: And that, so that DMV record did include a vehicle that was associated with Mr. Robinson? Officer Bagley: Correct. Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: Do you remember what the make and model of the vehicle was that was tied to Mr. Robinson? [00:42:19] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: The Dodge Challenger. [00:42:21] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Anything else beyond that that you remember? [00:42:23] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: It was silver in color, and I believe there were two registered owners of the vehicle. Officer Bagley: Okay. [00:42:29] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: And who were the registered owners? [00:42:31] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Mr. Robinson and then his mother. [00:42:33] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Do you recall whether or not a date of birth was included in that driver's license information that you got initially? [00:42:39] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Yeah, I believe the actual driver's license record was shared, so it would have included a date of birth. [00:42:45] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: All right. [00:42:46] Speaker ?: Officer Bagley: Cool. [00:42:47] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: With Mr., well, with Tyler Robinson's personal information, were you able to expand your search at all? [00:42:57] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Yes, once we knew a vehicle that we were looking for and we had an actual image of the individual, Officer Bagley: then we were able to use that video footage to try and track that specific individual. [00:43:12] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Okay, and I'm sorry, let me clarify. Officer Bagley: So when I said expand your search, I'm referencing the UVU surveillance video? [00:43:20] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Yes, we were able to. [00:43:23] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: And were you able to identify in that expanded search, or did you believe you located that Challenger? Officer Bagley: We did, yes. [00:43:33] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Okay. [00:43:34] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Were you able to determine at what time or times Mr. Robinson visited the UVU campus on September 10th? [00:43:47] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Yeah, we were able to establish that Mr. Robinson had been on campus approximately four times throughout the day, Officer Bagley: twice before the shooting, twice before the shooting, the time of the shooting, and then after the shooting later in the evening into the early hours of the 11th. [00:44:07] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: You said that you initially tracked the shooter forward and backward with UVU surveillance video? Officer Bagley: Yes. Officer Bagley: Correct. Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: Did you do the same thing with that vehicle? Officer Bagley: We did, yes. Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: Tracked it forward and backward? [00:44:26] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Yes, using the UVU footage and additional information that was obtained, yes. [00:44:34] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: And I believe you said that in total Mr. Robinson visited the UVU campus four times that day? [00:44:40] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Yes, that's correct. [00:44:41] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: And let's just be clear, that's all based on UVU surveillance video. Officer Bagley: Is that fair to say? [00:44:47] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: That's correct, yes. Officer Bagley: Okay. [00:44:48] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Have you reviewed what's been marked States exhibit 12.1 for identification? Officer Bagley: I have, yes. Officer Bagley: Okay. Officer Bagley: And, well, let me, before we go there, of the video that you have personally watched, does the video include the 10th and the 11th, or just the 10th? [00:45:13] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: The video I've seen includes the 10th, and then a very small portion, I think about 0.30 of the 11th. [00:45:20] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Okay, and I think you said initially you watched about 20 hours of video? Officer Bagley: Yes. Officer Bagley: Since that time, have you watched additional video? Officer Bagley: Yes. Officer Bagley: UVU surveillance video? Officer Bagley: Yes. Officer Bagley: Okay, and who provided the UVU surveillance video to you? [00:45:35] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: That was part of the collection of videos that was provided by Mr. Olson and his team, Officer Bagley: That we already discussed previously. Officer Bagley: Okay. [00:45:44] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: Of the, of all the hours of video that you've watched, do you have an idea of how many hours include Mr. Robinson or his vehicle? [00:45:59] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Just with UVU, or in total? Officer Bagley: Just with UVU, I'm sorry. Officer Bagley: Just with UVU, Officer Bagley: That would probably be about 16 hours. [00:46:10] Speaker 3: Officer Bagley: And, and let's be clear, this is someone you believe to be Tyler Robinson? Officer Bagley: Correct. [00:46:16] Speaker 2: Officer Bagley: Okay. [00:46:16] Vinnie Politan: Officer Bagley: Wow. Officer Bagley: That's intense work, right? Officer Bagley: They identified the suspect, he turns himself in, now we've got an image, we've got a car, and now we've got to go through all the video to track his movements. And they did. Officer Bagley: That's it for this time. Until next time, in the meantime, folks, please don't forget to hug the kids.