1 Journalist vs 20 Trump Supporters (ft Glenn Greenwald) — Surrounded

[0:00] We're in a major war, aren't we, in Iran? [0:01] I mean, sure, we're in a conflict, but I don't think... [0:03] This is where you actually got to run with the last guy. [0:05] Have you ever thought about going and fighting in this war that you're cheering on? [0:08] I mean, I've thought about joining the military before. [0:10] I don't know about this war specifically. [0:12] When your adversary races to arms and increases their offensive capabilities, [0:15] it's going to create a security dilemma for the West. [0:16] That's a madman mentality. [0:18] Ron lost any civilians? [0:20] Yeah, I'm sure. [0:21] That's how a war works. [0:22] That's how a war works? [0:23] Like, on the first day, we vaporized 170 young Iranian schoolgirls [0:27] by bombing an elementary school? [0:28] Is the Trump administration actually America first? [0:32] Or has MAGA morphed into something Trump supporters no longer recognize? [0:36] I'm John Regalado, and from Jubilee Media, this is Surrounded. [0:39] Today, we're diving into Trump's foreign policy record, [0:42] the conflict with Iran, the United States' relationship with Israel, and much more. [0:47] I'm here in the center with our featured guest, [0:49] independent journalist Glenn Greenwald. [0:51] Welcome to the show. [0:52] Thank you for having me. Great to be here. [0:53] Are you ready to jump into these debates? [0:55] I am ready. [0:56] Debaters, are you ready? [0:57] Yeah! [0:57] Let's get into it. [1:01] Hi, I'm Glenn Greenwald. [1:02] I'm an author and independent journalist, [1:03] and today, I am surrounded by 20 Trump supporters. [1:07] My first Surrounded claim is President Trump [1:13] is more of a war-making president than a peacemaking president. [1:18] If you would like to debate this claim, [1:20] please get to the chair in three, two, one. [1:26] Hey, nice to meet you. [1:26] Micah. [1:27] Good to meet you. [1:27] Good to meet you, Glenn. [1:28] So, first, I want to just ask, what makes a peacemaking president? [1:35] A peacemaking president is somebody who, in the first place, avoids war for their own country, [1:40] either solves and resolves wars that they inherit, [1:42] or prevents wars from breaking out that they would get their country involved with. [1:47] Okay, so you agree that prevention is a part of what makes a president a peacemaking president? [1:52] For sure. [1:53] Okay, so then what about Trump's foreign policy is not prevention? [1:58] Well, the first thing that he did in getting to office, [2:01] basically within 30 days, was restarted a bombing campaign [2:04] that President Biden had prosecuted throughout 2024, [2:07] that President Trump during the campaign had heavily criticized. [2:10] Yet, as soon as President Trump got into office, [2:12] he not only restarted that bombing campaign, but escalated it. [2:15] That was the one in Yemen against the Houthis. [2:17] It went on for about five, six weeks, entailed hundreds of people. [2:21] Was that not necessary for, like, global trade to ensue? [2:26] Was the Houthis not attacking multiple different ships? [2:30] No, the Houthis were only attacking Israel at the time that President Trump did that. [2:34] There was a peace deal that President Trump engineered that ended up being very temporary, [2:38] and the Houthis said, for as long as this peace deal is in place, we won't attack ships. [2:42] Once the Israelis started violating it, not letting food, [2:44] they said, we're only going to attack Israeli ships, and that's what President Trump attacked. [2:47] So here's a question for you, Glenn. [2:48] Are we still in conflict in Yemen? [2:50] No, President Trump ended his own war that he started. [2:53] Okay, so then by your definition, did we not prevent further conflict by having this conflict, [2:58] and would we not free up the trade routes in Yemen from being attacked by the Houthis? [3:04] It's free, is it not? [3:06] It's like saying, I stabbed myself in the stomach, but then I brought myself to the ER, [3:10] where I had a doctor fix me up, and that proves that I'm really interested in fitness and self-care. [3:14] President Trump started the war in Yemen. [3:17] He escalated the war in Yemen. [3:18] It was stopped at the time that he took over. [3:20] Were the Houthis attacking people or not? [3:21] Were they attacking? [3:21] They were attacking a foreign country called Israel that is not part of the United States. [3:25] Okay, do these international trade routes not affect America? [3:29] No, not when it's only Israel whose ships are being attacked. [3:32] You can say the war is just. [3:33] The question is, is President Trump making war or making peace? [3:37] You can say, okay, he made war in Yemen, but I think the war is just. [3:40] He's still a war-making president by definition. [3:42] I think it's very clear by the result of the conflict that it was a peacemaking military engagement. [3:49] We have peace in Yemen now. [3:51] How did it end? [3:52] How did it end? [3:53] It ended by the Houthis saying, we will not attack anybody except the Israelis, [3:58] as long as they're denying food and water entering into Gaza. [4:01] And they continue to do so and achieve nothing. [4:03] All it did was have the United States deplete our missiles, our military force, our resources. [4:09] It was a war that didn't exist that Trump created. [4:12] Yes, congratulations. [4:14] He ended his own war, but that is an example of a war-making president. [4:16] That's just one example. [4:17] There's obviously war in Iran as well, that he inherited a presidency where we were not at war with Iran. [4:24] We are now at war with Iran. [4:25] We've twice gone to war with Iran under President Trump. [4:28] That's another war that he's made. [4:29] Do you not agree that Iran is a major threat and destabilizes the Middle East all the time? [4:37] I don't, but we'll get to whether the war is just. [4:39] The question now is, does President Trump make more wars? [4:42] You seem to be acknowledging he makes wars, but that they're just. [4:43] I want to go back to what you initially agreed to, though, [4:46] is that part of what makes a peacemaking president isn't just, oh, we don't start any conflicts. [4:52] It's actually engaging in conflicts to prevent further conflicts. [4:55] So war is peace. [4:56] Did you read 1984 by George Orwell? [4:58] No, I'm just, I'm literally, I'm literally quoting what you said earlier at the beginning of this conversation. [5:03] No, but George Orwell in 1984 described the most extreme kind of propaganda by war-making tyrannies. [5:10] And one of the things citizens get told is war is peace. [5:13] Did you not admit that part of what makes a peacemaking president is stepping in and preventing further conflicts? [5:21] Yes, but you can't prevent conflicts by starting conflicts. [5:24] Starting conflicts is starting conflicts. [5:26] Can you not use the wars that you didn't start? [5:28] Can you not start? [5:28] We've got to pause here, Mike. [5:29] We've got to pause here. [5:30] You've been voted out by the majority. [5:32] Please return. [5:32] Thank you. [5:33] Thanks. [5:33] So in reference to Trump being a peacemaking president or a warmongering president, let's [5:42] say, for example, let's start with the conflicts that he did indeed stop, right? [5:46] For example, Pakistan, India, Pakistan nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize. [5:49] They said that he specifically played a big role in preventing that conflict. [5:53] Well, India disagreed, but Pakistan regardless said that he played a key role in preventing [5:56] it. [5:57] We had Thailand versus Cambodia also break out. [6:00] Cambodia nominated Trump for the Nobel Peace Prize and also said that he prevented that [6:03] conflict. [6:04] I'd also say in reference to Venezuela, obviously no one thinks that Maduro was good there. [6:08] The tyranny was crazy. [6:09] The way that he was leading the government, everyone agrees, but he was able to take Maduro [6:13] out. [6:14] And Desi Rodriguez, who's now the vice president, is very, you could say, subordinate or servile, [6:18] right? [6:18] 50 million barrels of oil, restricting Cuba, so on and so forth. [6:22] And so I would disagree that he's a warmongering president. [6:24] Okay, the point is not he's a warmongering president, but the formulation is he's more [6:29] of a war making president than a war, than a peacemaking president. [6:33] So even in your examples, including in Venezuela, you're not denying that he used military force [6:39] in a way that is considered an act of war by every country on the planet. [6:42] You're defending the wars that he's making by saying they lead to good outcomes, which [6:46] we can debate, but that's a separate question from the proposition. [6:50] As far as these wars that you're concerned that I know he loves to cite, India was vehement [6:54] that he had no role to play of any meaningful kind in mediating that conflict between India [6:59] and Pakistan. [7:00] That is a war that goes back, that conflict goes back many hundreds of years long before [7:03] Trump. [7:04] But even, let me ask you this question about these other conflicts that you named. [7:09] Were those part of the 2024 campaign? [7:11] Did anyone ever mention that? [7:11] Not necessarily, but I don't think that. [7:13] You know why? [7:13] Because they're completely trivial and because the role that the United States plays in them [7:17] is also essentially trivial as well. [7:20] These are, and we can analyze those, but let's be clear. [7:24] The real question is, does President Trump make war for the United States? [7:29] Whether he plays some ancillary role in this? [7:32] Well, we're in a major war. [7:33] We're in a major war now, right? [7:34] We're in a major war, aren't we? [7:36] In Iran? [7:37] I mean, sure, we're in a conflict, but I don't think this is where you actually got to [7:39] wrong with the last guy. [7:40] Is it a war? [7:41] Is it a war? [7:41] You can call it a war and a conflict. [7:42] There's no necessary, like there's no disagreement there. [7:44] It's a conflict and a war. [7:46] It's both, right? [7:46] But the conflict didn't start recently, right? [7:49] In 1979, Iran kidnapped 66 Americans and held them hostage for over 400 days, right? [7:54] So that happened because they're anti-Western, but hold on, just let me finish this. [7:57] So the conflict with Iran or our issues with Iran in reference to specifically the Islamic Republic [8:01] started more there. [8:03] In 1982, three years later specifically, there was the Beirut barracks bombing, which I'm [8:07] sure you're familiar with, where 242 Americans were killed in Beirut. [8:10] They were there as a peacekeeping force, actually. [8:12] And guess who specifically? [8:13] I believe in 2002, a federal judge actually ruled that Iran supplied Hezbollah and gave [8:19] them intelligence to kill 242 Americans. [8:21] On top of that, I believe in Venezuela, they have the Kudz force as well that is there. [8:25] They fund three main terror groups. [8:27] According to the FDD, they spent about $16 billion doing so, right? [8:30] Like Hezbollah, the Houthis in Yemen. [8:32] And by the way, the last guy, you were also wrong. [8:34] $200 billion worth of economic damage in reference to the Red Sea, where one-tenth of trade goes [8:39] through. [8:40] Were we at war with Iran when President Trump was inaugurated? [8:43] No, we weren't directly in terms of- [8:44] Are we at war now? [8:45] Right. [8:46] So he made that war, right? [8:47] Wait, wait, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, stop. [8:49] No, I mean, well, you talked a lot. [8:50] I just want to get an answer. [8:50] I would say that we're already in a conflict. [8:51] I would say that, yes, generally, not like war in terms of declaring war conspicuously, but [8:56] yes, we've been in a conflict, a longstanding conflict specifically. [8:59] The proposition is President Trump is more of a war-making president- [9:02] Right, I don't think any of those conflicts were made by Trump. [9:04] That's where you're wrong. [9:05] India and Pakistan were in conflict prior to the war that you mentioned, right? [9:08] Right, and we were in conflict with Iran prior to this as well. [9:09] Exactly. [9:09] There are a lot of people who are- [9:11] That's where you're not getting it. [9:11] There are a lot of countries that are in conflict with one another. [9:14] Right. [9:14] They're not all at war. [9:15] Most of them are not at war. [9:17] Right. [9:17] The United States became in a war with Iran when Israel and the United States announced that [9:22] they were attacking Iran and started a war with Iran. [9:25] Of course, there's conflicts. [9:26] There's conflicts between Brazil and Argentina. [9:27] Sure. [9:28] There's conflicts between Peru and Uruguay. [9:29] There's conflicts between- [9:30] But you're being vague. [9:31] No, I'm being very specific. [9:33] No, you're not. [9:33] I'm talking about a war. [9:34] There's a difference between smaller conflicts or like a general conflict that was going [9:37] on for a long time and like a large-scale war and even like, for example, small military [9:41] engagements. [9:42] Like, for example, Midnight Hammer, we bombed Natanz, Fordow, and Isfahan were more smaller [9:46] engagements, right? [9:47] If- [9:47] And by the way, we pulled out pretty quickly and everything was fine afterwards. [9:51] If Russia came to the United States and bombed three different nuclear facilities in the [9:56] United States with B-52 bombers of the Russian Soviet analog, would you say, would you consider [10:00] that to be an act of war? [10:02] Yeah, you're saying it would be Cassius Belli, right? [10:03] No, I'm not talking about- [10:04] Cassius Belli means act of war. [10:05] Yeah. [10:06] Would you- [10:06] So yeah, it would be Cassius Belli. [10:08] That's the answer. [10:09] Okay. [10:09] Congratulations on using the lat. [10:10] I'm just wanting to- [10:11] I don't want to necessarily test your language because I want to- [10:13] That would be an act of war, right? [10:14] Yeah, the same way- [10:14] Okay, so- [10:15] Hold on, hold on. [10:15] The same way that, for example, the IRGC, the Pakistani guy that was recently convicted, [10:19] he admitted that the IRGC paid him and tried to give him intelligence to assassinate Donald [10:24] Trump around the time where Butler happened. [10:26] That's also Cassius Belli. [10:27] The fact that the IRGC tried to kill our president- [10:30] Were we at war with Iran? [10:30] The deal that the electorate elected is an act of war. [10:33] Were we at war with Iran? [10:33] So yeah, we've been in conflict and an act of war with Iran for a very long time. [10:37] Okay, but you just- [10:37] And it's funny that you're not mentioning- [10:39] You said- [10:39] You're not mentioning the fact that 242 Americans were killed in Beirut in 1982. [10:43] The United States- [10:44] Was that not an act of war? [10:44] The United States has killed countries throughout the middle- [10:46] You know what President Reagan did in response to that? [10:50] He said, the reason this happened is because we have a military base in Lebanon where we [10:53] shouldn't be, and he withdrew those troops. [10:56] That's because he knew that the reason we were being attacked was because we were interfering [10:59] in that region. [11:00] Yeah, we were there as a peacekeeping force from the UN. [11:00] The reason that Iran took over and the embassy was because we had overthrown their democratically [11:05] elected government in 1953 and imposed a savage, brutal tyranny on them that ruled that country [11:11] from 1953 until the revolution in 1979. [11:13] But these are all historically interesting points that we could talk about with the justification. [11:18] No, it's not wrong. [11:19] The point is, I asked you earlier, was the United States at war with Iran? [11:23] The answer is yes. [11:24] But you said no. [11:26] It depends on how you're defining war. [11:28] It depends on how you're defining war and long-term conflict. [11:30] But let me, hold on. [11:30] The point is we were not at war, as you said the first time when I asked you, with Iran when [11:34] President Trump took office. [11:35] Sure. [11:35] He didn't talk about there being a war throughout the 2020- [11:37] No, he talked about 2011, 2013. [11:38] And we are now in a war because he made a war. [11:41] He continued saying Iran cannot have a nuclear weapon. [11:43] By the way, can you explain to me the reason for 60% rich uranium? [11:46] No country that has tried to, or even been in talks of trying to have a nuclear weapon, [11:50] has ever reached 60% and not gotten to 90%, which is weapons great. [11:53] Because President Trump invalidated the agreement where they were only at 3%. [11:57] President Trump make this war. [11:58] No, that's not, the answer is no. [12:00] So we were at, we were at a general, yes, we have been, we have been at a general, in [12:04] a general conflict with Iran, or you could say even a war, for over, over 47 years. [12:08] And President Trump just forgot to mention that we were at war when he was running for [12:11] president in 2024 and ever said, hey, by the way, we're at war with the Iran. [12:14] No, no, he openly, he openly said, no, no, no, he's been very conspicuous about this. [12:17] He's been, he's been very clear about the fact that we have a conflict with Iran. [12:20] We have issues with Iran. [12:21] No, a war, a war. [12:21] We do have conflict. [12:22] Right, again, I don't think you understand it. [12:24] Wars can't also be conflicts. [12:26] Exactly, but they aren't, but conflicts aren't necessarily wars. [12:29] The question is, was there a war with Iran? [12:31] And if so, why didn't President Trump bother to mention, hey, by the way, we're at war with [12:35] Iran in 2024. [12:37] He's been very conspicuous about it. [12:38] So the war didn't start. [12:39] What would be the incentive, just like, hey, we're at war with Iran? [12:41] Look, everyone understands that we've been at a long-term conflict with Iran. [12:43] Nobody understood because it was never true. [12:45] And by the way, we got to pause here. [12:47] Can we just hear your response and then we got to stop? [12:50] Yeah, there were several wars that President Trump started in Yemen, Venezuela, and Iran. [12:54] You can say they're just or not, but these wars did not exist. [12:57] Nobody said they existed during the 2024 campaign, including President Trump. [13:01] And when he announced them, he announced them as with the United States in 2024. [13:07] All right. [13:07] All right, pause. [13:08] Good to talk to you. [13:09] Hello. [13:17] Hello, how are you? [13:18] Good to meet you. [13:18] Nice to meet you, too. [13:20] Okay, so I want to get back to the prompt about peace versus war. [13:24] So the way I look at it is the first Trump administration was a peaceful administration. [13:28] There was no new wars that were started. [13:30] We had the Abraham Accords, which Trump should have won a Nobel Peace Prize for because it was historic. [13:34] And then we had something that was ahistoric, right? [13:37] So the Biden administration came in between. [13:39] It kind of disrupted Trump's foreign policy. [13:41] And under the Biden administration, we saw the disastrous withdrawal from Afghanistan, [13:44] which was really a green light to our anti-Western adversaries that we didn't really have the strong will to defend U.S. hegemony abroad. [13:53] Following that, the invasion of Ukraine by Russia. [13:55] And then we saw Biden trying to re-engage in JCPOA negotiations as a legacy of the Obama administration. [14:02] And he unfroze $16 billion in assets to the regime and then also waived sanctions so they could sell over $100 billion. [14:07] Whose assets were those? [14:08] They're theirs, but they're frozen. [14:09] Iran's assets. [14:10] Correct. [14:10] But that's going against the maximum pressure campaign. [14:14] So if you don't want war, how do you then deter a belligerent actor if it's not maximum sanctions? [14:19] What would your solution be then? [14:20] Well, in general, in every other country on the planet except the United States and Israel, war is talked about as a last resort. [14:26] Something that you engage in only if there's a country that's attacking you. [14:30] Which were we talking about? [14:30] Or attacking your homeland or attacking—what's that? [14:32] So the sanctions are a legacy of the Iraq-Iran war in the 1980s. [14:36] So which war? [14:36] We're talking about the current operation, which is not a war. [14:38] I'm talking about why we should be at war with Iran at all. [14:41] Right, the second. [14:41] And you're saying, what is it that we should be doing to Iran? [14:43] Well, I'm saying—my point when talking about the Biden regime—or regime. [14:46] The Biden administration was that they empowered—we could maybe use regime. [14:50] They empowered the Iranian regime diplomatically, financially, which then positioned them for October 7th. [14:56] And also the Houthis. [14:57] It is true, the Houthis blocked off the Suez Canal for four to five months. [15:00] We also had British military, naval ships in the region, U.S. military ships. [15:02] So they weren't just attacking Israel, although, yes, that was a part of it. [15:06] So we saw a destabilized Middle East because of the direct empowerment with Iran. [15:09] Okay, so let me just—it's interesting because I think this is a very American perspective. [15:13] Because we are a country that is constantly at war, unlike everybody else on the planet. [15:18] The last time China fought a war was 1979. [15:21] And one of the reasons they're displacing the United States and every region in the globe, [15:24] including Latin America and Africa, is because they spend their resources building up their country [15:28] while we have our country deteriorating because we spend so much time and money and effort and resources on foreign wars. [15:33] Well, that's one take. The other take is that they don't have the conventional capabilities to enact it for our work. [15:36] They have a massive, gigantic military. [15:38] They just don't—they just know that— [15:39] Yes, but we still deter that because of our military. [15:40] Which is what, by the way, which is what President Trump's primary political appeal was, [15:43] was that we're constantly fighting these foreign wars. [15:45] We have to stop fighting foreign wars in the Middle East so that we can focus on our own communities and our own country. [15:49] And here we are back in another one. [15:51] But I think the point about Iran is that the idea that we can just go and steal countries' money. [15:57] As you said, it's Iran's assets. [15:59] They have oil in their country. [16:00] The claim is that we're a war-making country. [16:00] Let me just finish. [16:02] They sell their oil to other countries. [16:04] They receive money for it. [16:05] We take that money using our dollar as the reserve currency. [16:08] We steal it and freeze it. [16:10] And then somehow— [16:10] We don't steal it. [16:11] We're punishing a belligerent regime. [16:12] President Trump just lifted sanctions on Iranian oil at sea, enabling them to get huge amounts of money. [16:18] It was a good-faith action for China. [16:19] No, it was because he needed to do that because we need oil on the global market because gas prices are so high. [16:26] It's still lower than it was under the Biden administration. [16:28] No, I'm saying that because of this war, President Trump lifted sanctions on Iranian oil at sea. [16:34] Yes, as a good will to China to bring it to negotiation people. [16:36] They are now charging money for the Strait of Hormuz. [16:38] Yes, because that's the only tactic they have left. [16:39] And there's no way there will be an end to this war that we're currently negotiating. [16:43] Unless the sanctions are lifted on Iran. [16:44] They're completely wiped out. [16:46] Let me just get back to what I was saying about the Biden administration because it's important. [16:48] So we look at how diplomacy has never worked. [16:50] The JCPOA completely empowered the regime. [16:52] Same thing with Biden again. [16:53] So Trump came into a region that was completely changed. [16:55] Also just globally, right? [16:57] I believe the Iranian regime bought 2.5 million acres in Venezuela, which is in our Western Hemisphere. [17:00] So he came into a world where our anti-Western adversaries had gained strategic holdings that hinder U.S. hegemony abroad. [17:09] So he went into the region and he said, okay, I'm going to negotiate with the Iranian regime. [17:12] He didn't come as good faith actors to the negotiation table. [17:15] Operation Minnette Hammer was a preemptive strike. [17:18] They still continue to come to the table. [17:19] Was Biden at war with Iran? [17:20] I would say, yeah, well, it's hard to be at war with the regime that you're funding. [17:24] So Biden was not at war with Iran? [17:26] Well, we were at war with Iran via Israel, if you want to get it as a proxy situation. [17:30] So Biden was fighting a war against Iran? [17:31] And also another thing, you keep saying that Trump started wars in Yemen, in Lebanon. [17:35] Again, but those are proxy wars funded by Iran. [17:38] Those conflicts existed way before President Trump came into office. [17:41] Was Biden waging a war against Iran? [17:43] He was funding the regime and empowering them. [17:45] So the answer is no. [17:46] It's really hard to wage war against a regime that you're propping out. [17:48] So the war in Iran was started by President Trump in the second term, correct? [17:51] The war in Iran is, first off, it's not a war. [17:54] It's an operation. [17:54] We have highly discriminately taken out heads of the IRGC. [17:57] How is it not a war? [17:58] Well, it's not a war because the Iran regime can't respond in a way that necessitates war. [18:02] We're blowing up the bridges. [18:02] Yes, it's an operation. [18:03] And they've been blowing up the Middle East. [18:05] What's the difference between a war and a war? [18:06] No, I'm just trying, again, the proposition we're supposed to be discussing. [18:10] Right. [18:10] And I realize why you don't want to and others don't want to. [18:12] No, I am. [18:13] I'm demonstrating how the regime was empowered when Trump came to office. [18:16] So it necessitated a response that was different than his first administration when there was peace through strength. [18:20] You have to let me finish. [18:21] The question we're supposed to be debating is that President Trump is more of a war-making president than a peacemaking president. [18:26] And I just said he came into a situation in the Middle East that was vastly different than the one that he left because of weak foreign policy. [18:31] No, I understand. [18:32] I'm trying to ask about war, which is what— [18:33] Okay, so then what is the response then? [18:34] So if it's not high-pressure sanctions— [18:36] Was President Biden waging a war on Iran, yes or no? [18:39] Well, if you're talking about responding to all— [18:41] Can you just answer that? [18:42] Why can't you answer? [18:43] So then, yes, if Iran is considered the Houthis, the Hezbollah, Hamas, then, yes, we were waging a war. [18:47] President Biden was waging a war on Iran. [18:48] Yes, via our proxies. [18:49] I thought you said he was so favorable to Iran that he was treating Iran so well. [18:53] I said he empowered the regime. [18:53] Yeah, both sides of the conflict. [18:55] But he empowered the regime— [18:56] Were we at war not with Iran's proxies but with Iran itself under Joe Biden? [18:59] Well, Iran actually broke the status quo of not engaging with Israel's greatest ally in May 2024. [19:03] Did Joe Biden wage a war on Iran? [19:05] It's not. [19:06] First off, again, I am contesting— [19:06] Why can't you just answer? [19:07] Why can't you just answer? [19:08] I just said yes if you're going to consider via proxies, which he apparently— [19:10] No, I don't mean via proxies. [19:12] I mean directly with Iran. [19:12] Okay, but this is—you're contradicting yourself because you said Trump started wars in Yemen. [19:15] I'm only asking a question. [19:17] And you defined it by the proxies in Yemen. [19:17] So you can't define war one way for Trump. [19:19] I'm only asking a question. [19:20] We've got to pause there. [19:21] We're out of time. [19:22] Please return to your seat. [19:23] Raise your flag if you would concede that Trump started this current war with Iran. [19:35] Okay, so we've got two people. [19:37] Thank you. [19:38] My next round to claim is President Trump is subservient to the Israel lobby. [19:43] If you'd like to debate this claim, please get to the chair in three, two, one. [19:47] Whoa. [19:48] Hey, good to meet you. [19:51] Ryan, nice to meet you. [19:52] Nice to meet you. [19:53] Nick Mattel. [19:54] Okay, I think an important thing to do with debates is to define our terms. [19:58] Can you please tell me what subservient is? [20:00] Yes, serving the interest of someone else, taking orders from somebody else, taking direction [20:05] from somebody else, not in every case, but as a general posture ethos. [20:08] Okay, so that's already a problem because subservient doesn't mean not sometimes taking [20:13] the case, sometimes not. [20:14] Subservient is literally defined as in a subordinate manner you are controlled by in a very direct [20:19] way. [20:20] I'm going to set it up so that if you can point to one example where President Trump [20:23] didn't do what Israel wanted, then that means somehow he's not subservient to Israel. [20:27] Sure, right now. [20:28] You just want to creating a binary framework where as long as you can point to one example, [20:33] I can point to many examples actually. [20:35] Right, so that's why I'm saying that is not what this proposition means. [20:37] It doesn't mean that in each and every case, President Trump is fully and absolutely obedient [20:42] to Israel, that if you want me to concede that there are instances, I will be happy to point [20:47] to some as well where President Trump or other presidents, so that's not the question. [20:51] I understand. [20:52] I'm saying that your claim, it's your claim. [20:54] I didn't force you to make the claim. [20:56] Your claim is not there's high influence. [20:58] Your claim is not any of that. [20:59] Your claim is he's subservient. [21:00] And if you're going to say he's subservient, that means something. [21:03] Now, if we want to change what you're saying and you just want to say he has higher influence [21:08] from, when you say pro-Israeli, do you just mean Jews? [21:10] What do you mean by that? [21:11] No, of course I don't mean Jews. [21:13] There are huge numbers of Jews who oppose Israel. [21:15] I'm asking, well, generally when I debate this topic, a lot of people will say like, [21:19] you know, the Adelsons, right? [21:20] Because they're Jewish, they're Israeli. [21:22] Or do you mean pro-Israel, like you're talking about A-PAC, you're talking about J-Street? [21:26] People talk about George Soros, but nobody suggests that he's pro-Israel. [21:30] The reason people talk about the Adelsons is because they gave $300 million to Trump's campaigns [21:35] and Trump himself said that every time the Adelsons came to the White House, [21:40] they didn't ask about the United States, they asked for things for Israel. [21:43] Trump went to the Knesset last year and said Miriam Adelson loves Israel more than they [21:47] love the issue of the United States. [21:49] Is Trump subservient to Elon Musk? [21:51] No, I don't think Trump is subservient to Elon Musk. [21:52] Okay, Elon Musk, at least in this last election cycle, gave significantly more than the Adelsons. [21:56] Right, he's one individual. [21:57] He's one individual. [21:58] Exactly, one individual gave more than two and also the lobbying groups. [22:01] But that being said, what is it that makes you think he's controlled in at least a significant way by whatever you're saying? [22:09] What President Trump himself said. [22:10] President Trump said that every single time Sheldon and Miriam Adelson came to the White House, [22:15] they asked for things for Israel and he gave it to them. [22:18] They didn't ask for things for the United States. [22:20] He said that Miriam Adelson... [22:22] He didn't say he gave everything they asked for. [22:24] Yes, he did. [22:25] He said every time, he said in fact, in fact... [22:28] The Golan Heights, yes. [22:29] He gave them even things that they didn't ask for. [22:32] Correct, correct. [22:33] For Israel, not for the United States. [22:34] Correct. [22:35] He did not tell them times where they had talks where they disagreed. [22:37] He never talked about that. [22:38] I know exactly which quote you're talking about. [22:40] You're adding that in to push your narrative right now. [22:42] No, I'm not adding anything. [22:43] But that being said, we're not here to talk about just the Adelsons. [22:45] We're here to talk about the pro-Israel lobby. [22:46] I'm asking you, how do you know that they are controlling Trump at least in a significant enough way to whatever your claim means? [22:52] What I'm saying is that President Trump makes decisions in the interest of the Israeli people and the Israeli government over and above the American people. [23:00] And it's the only country for which that's true. [23:02] That is subservience. [23:03] Okay. [23:04] We can go back to the semantic opposition, but that is what I mean. [23:07] And there's so many instances where President Trump has taken steps. [23:11] And right now, his entire focus is on a country that is Israel's primary adversary, that Israel has wanted for decades, United States, to go in and change the regime before the benefits of Israel. [23:20] I understand the hyperbole. His entire focus is not on that, but I get it. [23:23] But my question for you- [23:24] I would hope it is. [23:25] It's a very dangerous war. [23:26] He should be. [23:27] Your argument, you trying to prove your argument's failing because what you're saying is that he is just giving everything they want as if- [23:34] I didn't say that. [23:35] Actually, you literally said that. [23:37] You said he gave everything they want. [23:39] You said at the start- [23:40] Just rewind the clip. [23:41] Anyways. [23:42] I said at the start, if you want to prove that there are times when Trump doesn't give everything to Israel, I would concede that. [23:48] It's not a binary absolute framework. [23:50] Great. [23:51] I'm trying to get my question asked. [23:52] Do you remember when I said that? [23:53] I do remember when you said that, and I remember when you contradicted yourself a few seconds later. [23:56] What did I say when I contradicted myself? [23:57] I already said this point, but here's the problem. [24:00] When he said that people go in, we want this, and he's like, I don't really agree with that. [24:04] It's like, well, we'll give you some more money. [24:06] He's like, okay, I agree with it now. [24:07] How do you know Trump doesn't just already align with the same ideology? [24:10] The reason I know is because President Trump spent a full decade promising people like you and everyone else who voted for him that he was not going to involve the United States in more Middle East wars, in more regime change wars. [24:22] That is the basis and foundation for Trump's entire political movement. [24:25] Israel comes to the United States, and there's no way to compare Israel to any other country. [24:29] Netanyahu came seven times. [24:31] No other world leader came twice. [24:32] We give billions and billions of dollars to Israel. [24:34] Wow, an ally came to the White House. [24:35] I thought, I let you talk, and yet you sit there and say, let me talk, let me talk, and then I get six words out and you can't control yourself. [24:42] Go ahead, Glenn. [24:43] So there's no comparison. [24:44] We give infinitely more money to Israel. [24:46] We deploy our military forces to protect Israel. [24:49] President Netanyahu, Prime Minister Netanyahu came seven times, and then when he was done coming, [24:54] Donald Trump turns around and does exactly what he's been promising for a decade that he wouldn't do, which is he goes to war in the Middle East, a regime change war in the Middle East, [25:01] against Israel's primary enemy after Netanyahu spent 30 years saying, this is what we want the United States to do. [25:07] That is how I know that President Trump does things that Israel tells him to, even though he doesn't already believe it. [25:13] Well, first off, that's actually not proof that he does. [25:15] That's just an indication that you might be right, but I'm going to correct your quote. [25:19] Actually, President Trump said multiple times, just off the top of my head, I'm sure I'm missing some. [25:23] He said multiple times that he doesn't want to go straight to military action with Iran, but he has made it multiple, very, very clear that if negotiations are exhausted, I will use the military option. [25:33] For regime change? [25:34] Okay, first off, do you know what the four goals of the war are in Iran? [25:37] I'm asking you, do you know what the four goals of the war are? [25:40] Yes, I do. [25:41] What are they? Is it regime change? [25:42] They've changed so many times. [25:43] No, no, no. [25:44] No, no, no. [25:45] President Trump. [25:46] No, no, no, no. [25:47] There aren't four goals. [25:48] There has been four stated goals. [25:49] You can go on the internet right now to the official government website and you will read the four goals. [25:53] At the beginning of the war, Trump in an interview with the Washington Post said my main goal and why I'm attacking Iran is to free the Iranian people. [25:59] Is that one of the four goals that President Trump said was his most important objective when going to war with Iran? [26:06] I'm going to concede something. [26:07] I agree with you that President Trump speaks in very grandiose measures. [26:11] He does. [26:12] I'm not going to. [26:13] Everything's the biggest thing ever. [26:14] The most beautiful thing ever. [26:15] It's the worst thing ever. [26:16] I'm not going to disagree. [26:17] That was a stated goal of the war. [26:18] No, it was not. [26:19] If you listen to our department of war. [26:20] He said my most important objective. [26:22] If you listen to our department of war. [26:23] And by the way, you can go on. [26:24] It's the president that determines the war objectives. [26:26] I understand. [26:27] It's not the department of war. [26:28] It's the president. [26:29] First off, that's actually, that's not true. [26:30] I was in the military for 12 years. [26:31] That's not actually particularly true. [26:32] Who was your commander in chief? [26:33] The secretary of defense? [26:34] No, it's not. [26:35] It was the president, right? [26:36] It was the president. [26:37] First off, that's not how objectives are attained. [26:38] You're right. [26:39] He agrees with them or disagrees with them. [26:41] And again, I agree. [26:42] Trump will go on interviews and he will say stuff that. [26:44] No, who sets war goals for the United States? [26:47] First off, it's actually a complex measure of how it goes out. [26:49] Are you asking who agrees with the finalized goals? [26:51] When a war started, who determines what the goals of the war are? [26:54] Again, it's a very complex measure. [26:55] It's the president, correct? [26:56] Again, if you're saying agree with. [26:58] He gets briefs. [26:59] He gets people on the Pentagon. [27:00] Who's the final decision maker about the goals of the war? [27:02] That's the right question. [27:03] And that would be the commander in chief. [27:04] That is true. [27:05] The president, right? [27:06] Right. [27:07] And so if you look at the official memo. [27:08] We want to know what wars are. [27:09] We look at what the president says, correct? [27:10] I got it. [27:11] If you look at the official memo that was signed by him. [27:13] That was pushed out and still on the government website to this very day. [27:16] You can read the main objectives of the war. [27:18] Has he said that regime change is one of the goals of the war? [27:21] I agree that he's implied it in interviews. [27:24] Has he said it explicitly? [27:25] In the official memos where he's approved. [27:27] That our goal is to. [27:28] Let me ask you something. [27:29] We've got to pause there. [27:30] We've got to pause there. [27:31] You need to answer my question. [27:32] Has Donald Trump said that a goal of the war in Iran is to free the Iranian people by changing the regime of that country? [27:38] A regime change war in the Middle East of the kind he said he wouldn't fight. [27:41] Did Donald Trump say that was a goal of the war or not? [27:43] I'm going to answer you. [27:44] One word answer. [27:45] Please, please. [27:46] I'm going to answer you. [27:47] One word answer or we've got to move on. [27:48] Real quick answer. [27:49] One word. [27:50] He said it in interviews. [27:51] Yes. [27:52] Thank you. [27:53] Thank you. [27:54] Prior to October 7th, America First, it still means America First is having a strong ally in Israel. [28:08] I find it very interesting this disproportionate selective outrage with this pseudo Israel influence, [28:15] AIPAC, 3.8 million compared to the billions of dollars from other foreign adversaries. [28:23] If you're talking about subservient, we have the Chamber of Congress, we have Big Pharma, we have the Real Estate Association, [28:32] all massively giving more funds to the lobbying world. [28:37] The influence of Qatar alone, $1 billion on universities and media. [28:43] Aren't you more concerned about that? [28:45] Why do you never speak about the Qatari influence in America? [28:48] There's no comparing the influence of Qatar in the United States to Israel. [28:53] And the proof of that is that we don't give $4 billion automatically a minimum every year to Qatar the way we do with Israel. [29:00] This $3.8 billion that you said, much of which has to be spent at American arms manufacturers like Boeing and Raytheon, [29:07] is like a gift certificate that the American public gives to Israel and says, here, go shopping for yourself at our arms dealers. [29:13] There's no other country that gets that. [29:15] We have given vastly more sums to Israel over the last several decades than any other country by far. [29:20] We deploy our military for Israel. We don't do that for Qatar. [29:23] President Trump has been imposing speech codes at universities to protect Israel and not for Qatar. [29:28] People who demonstrate against Israel are being deported, not for Qatar. [29:31] Okay. [29:32] And that the amount of money itself, $3.8 billion is the minimum. [29:35] That $3.8 billion is the minimum. [29:37] We gave over $20 billion under President Biden in 2024 to Israel. [29:40] You're not being honest. You're not being honest. [29:42] They're all facts. [29:43] They are facts, but you're not saying the whole story. [29:45] What else? [29:46] Israel is the only country that actually gives us a return on investment. [29:50] That $3.8 billion, yes, 80% of it is invested right back into America. [29:54] America jobs, American defense. [29:56] And guess who tests out all of our military equipment? [29:59] It's Israel because they are in the front lines of our enemies. [30:03] They are doing us a favor. [30:05] We need Israel strategically, and we are grateful to have them as a strong ally. [30:10] The American people have turned against Israel because they're sick of having their resources. [30:14] No, it's because of propaganda that you're perpetuating on next. [30:17] We didn't have an issue of this before. [30:19] If you look at American communities, they're falling apart. [30:22] This was what President Trump— [30:23] And this is Israel lobby's fault? [30:25] It's not entirely the Israel lobby's fault, but we ought to be focused— [30:27] Should we talk about Doge? The $215 billion in Doge? Maybe we should look at that? [30:33] The Israeli people have a higher standard of living than tens of millions of people in the United States, [30:38] and yet they are forced— [30:39] What does that have to do with Americans? [30:40] Because Americans are forced to subsidize the Israeli military— [30:43] No, that— [30:44] To send tens of billions of dollars to Israel— [30:45] Wait, wait, wait, wait. [30:46] To go to war for Israel. [30:47] So now it's tens of billions of dollars? [30:48] Yeah, I just told you in 2024 alone it was above $20 billion. [30:51] No, that's because they were in a war. [30:52] They were in a war. [30:53] Exactly, every time Israel— [30:54] Israel's always at war. [30:55] What do you mean every time? [30:56] Israel has never asked for boots on the ground, and yes, they were in a bar that Biden helped enact. [30:59] No, we pay for their wars. [31:00] But Biden helped enact. [31:01] We pay for their wars. [31:02] We pay for those wars. [31:03] Because it's to our interest that there is stability in the Middle East because these are proxies to America as well. [31:10] The wars that Israel starts create instability, not stability. [31:13] First Saturday, then Sunday. [31:14] Do not normalize terrorism and the Islamic Caliphate. [31:18] Why are you so hyper-focused on our allies? [31:20] It's the same way that we started off the first question where people say, no, Trump doesn't make wars, [31:24] and then, okay, Trump makes them, but they're justified. [31:26] The point here is we do more for the Israeli lobby than any other country. [31:29] You started off by saying, no, it's Carter. [31:30] Because they're an ally. [31:31] And now you're saying, yes, we do more for Israel, but it's justified. [31:33] Because they're an ally. [31:34] With good reason. [31:35] It is justified. [31:36] Of course, they're an ally and they're an enemy. [31:37] They spy on us. [31:38] They steal our nuclear secrets. [31:39] Just like America does. [31:40] You're selective on Israel only. [31:43] Israel is the number one surveillance threat. [31:45] Everyone spies on everyone. [31:46] Again, not the way that Israel spies on the United States. [31:48] When I did the Snowden reporting, there are documents that say, [31:50] here are the countries that are the greatest surveillance threat. [31:51] That's fine. [31:52] China, Russia, Iran. [31:53] Number one on that is Israel because they treat us like an enemy. [31:56] They take our money. [31:57] They do not treat us like an enemy. [31:58] They sponge off our citizenry. [32:00] This is your propaganda. [32:01] You're feeding into Al Jazeera. [32:02] They suck money out of our country. [32:03] Again, you never want to talk about our actual enemies. [32:06] You only want to talk about Israel. [32:08] I think Israel does more damage to the United States than almost any other country on the planet. [32:12] Please return to your seats. [32:13] Thank you. [32:14] Good job. [32:21] Jesus. [32:23] So here's the thing. [32:24] I actually do agree with you that Israel does have an outsized influence on our government in general. [32:30] I think that it's a policy thing that we have to start putting domestic policy ahead of foreign policy. [32:35] What I don't agree with is your characterization of it as subservient. [32:40] I think that implies a greater allegiance to a foreign country than what a president actually has. [32:47] So let me understand. [32:49] Tell me some of your reasons why you think it goes beyond influence. [32:52] Sure. [32:53] So for decades in the United States, in both parties, when they had the White House, the policy of the United States has been that the worst thing that the United States has to overcome in the Middle East when doing deals in the Middle East, when trying to advance our interest in the Middle East, is the fact that the Palestinians do not have a state. [33:11] And the only way that the United States can ever improve its position in the Middle East is through a two-state solution. [33:18] That's why, going back to the first Bush administration, back to the Reagan administration, they were threatening Israel. [33:23] They were indignant with the Israelis that they were expanding settlements in the West Bank because that would forever prevent a two-state solution would mean that we were seen in the Middle East as suppressing the Palestinians. [33:32] Israel ignored that. [33:33] They expanded West Bank settlements. [33:35] When the first Bush administration tried to stop it, Bill Clinton ran in 1992, accusing Bush 41 of being an anti-Semite. [33:41] And ever since then, when that harsh accusatory framework came down on James Baker and George Bush and Brent Scowcroft as anti-Semite, American presidents, with some exceptions, have been petrified of opposing Israel and the Israel lobby. [33:55] They can remove members of Congress like no other lobby can. [33:58] They've proven that repeatedly. [33:59] And so it's not just that they're our ally and we help them when it's our interest. [34:03] We help them even when it's contrary to our interest, as we're doing right now with this war. [34:07] Well, yeah. [34:08] You just kind of danced around it. [34:09] You didn't actually say what characterizes Trump's behavior as subservient. [34:13] Let me just say one thing. [34:16] Do you want to know? [34:17] No, no, but let me say one thing. [34:18] I actually do relate a lot to what you're saying, being called an anti-Semite. [34:21] I'm running for Congress in Hollywood, Glendale, Burbank, and Pasadena. [34:24] And the thing that I got labeled for criticizing Israel, the Israeli lobby and the government of Israel, to be fair, I got immediately labeled an anti-Semite by my own party, by the Republican Party. [34:35] But I want to understand what makes Trump subservient. [34:38] What makes the influence go beyond just influence and makes him have a greater allegiance to Israel than America? [34:44] You haven't answered that. [34:45] By subservience, I mean when you take interests that are in the interest of another country over your own. [34:50] And subservient, are you saying why is he subservient? [34:53] No, I'm trying to understand your logic. [34:54] What you've described so far as influence, which we all agree there's a foreign influence in our government that's outsized. [35:01] And it very often drives our politics and our politicians to go beyond the interests of Americans. [35:06] But that doesn't mean that they have a greater allegiance to a foreign government than they do to their own people. [35:10] I'm not saying President Trump has a greater allegiance to Israel than he does to the United States. [35:14] I'm saying that the lobby that influences him, that he's afraid of, that he takes direction from, [35:19] their goal is to make sure that American politicians are serving the interests of Israel even above the interests of the United States. [35:25] Even when it undermines or subverts the interests of the United States. [35:28] That is the point of the Israel lobby, is to make sure that Israeli interests stay above. [35:32] You're talking about the Israel lobby? [35:33] All right, we've got to pause there. [35:34] You've been voted out. [35:35] Good luck in your campaign. [35:36] Thank you. [35:37] Nice to meet you. [35:44] Nice to meet you as well. [35:45] Okay, so when you're talking about the Israel lobby, are you referring mostly to AIPAC? [35:50] No. [35:51] I mean, I'm certainly referring to AIPAC. [35:53] Right. [35:54] There's a gigantic number of other organs and arms of the Israeli lobby. [35:57] Right. [35:58] And can you give examples where they're going outside of legal bounds? [36:01] No, I don't. [36:02] My accusation is not that AIPAC acts illegally. [36:04] I do think there's a good argument that they ought to be registered under FERA, but under our laws, they're not required to. [36:08] Okay, so with the FERA argument, you do know that it's American Jewish interests, right? [36:13] The lobby AIPAC is for American Jewish interests. [36:17] AIPAC takes direction from the Israeli government. [36:19] They're over there all the time. [36:20] I understand the argument that these are Americans. [36:22] Right. [36:23] But a lot of Americans have to register under FERA if they're taking directions from or acting on behalf of a foreign government, which I think AIPAC is. [36:29] But I'm not arguing that AIPAC is criminal. [36:31] Right. [36:32] It's a different debate. [36:33] We can have that. [36:34] But that's not the relevant question. [36:35] I see. [36:36] I hear this argument a lot. [36:37] And what I always go back to is America is voting with their dollar. [36:40] Okay. [36:41] So, yeah, there is influence, right? [36:43] There is Jewish American influence, but it is because the American people want it. [36:48] That's why AIPAC is so successful. [36:50] Okay. [36:51] I'm glad you raised that because actually what AIPAC does when they want to remove a member from Congress, like they did with Cori Bush or Jamal Bowman in the last cycle, like they've done with tons of them, is they spend insane amounts of money for Congress. [37:01] Like they're doing with Thomas Massey now. [37:03] They don't go in and advertise and say this member of Congress isn't sufficiently supportive of Israel or is too anti-Israel because they know that's a failing issue because Americans don't care about foreign countries. [37:13] They care about their own country like every other country. [37:15] Right. [37:16] What they do is they go in and they deceive people by saying our ads are really about the fact that he doesn't tend to potholes or he has bad constituent services or he doesn't support health care or he's doing this or he's doing that. [37:24] And are they lying about that? [37:25] Are they lying about it? [37:26] No, it's just. [37:27] So they're choosing to focus on other issues. [37:29] And these are issues that Americans care about. [37:31] It's exactly the opposite of what you said, which is that they go in and the reason why, you said the reason why people vote for the, for AIPAC's candidates is because they want support for Israel. [37:39] Well, you know what? [37:40] If they raise the pothole issue and this candidate says that they're going to. [37:44] But that's not AIPAC's concern. [37:45] It's a totally stealth and deceitful campaign. [37:47] AIPAC can put their money wherever they want. [37:48] I know I'm not arguing that AIPAC is a criminal organization. [37:51] Okay. [37:52] I'm not arguing that they should be in prison. [37:53] Okay. [37:54] I'm arguing that the point of the Israel lobby is to keep. [37:55] So you're kind of saying there's some nefarious things going on. [37:57] Yes, it is nefarious because the point is to, in the shadows, hide their agenda, which is to keep American politician subservient and captive to the interests of a foreign country. [38:06] So you always have to revert to the conspiracy idea. [38:09] It's not a conspiracy. [38:10] It's done right out in the open. [38:11] I don't think it's a conspiracy. [38:12] You always have to go back to the conspiracy idea. [38:13] I don't think it's a conspiracy. [38:14] It's in the open. [38:15] Because you can't deal with the fact that American Jews are voting for this. [38:18] American Jews are putting their money where they want it to go. [38:22] Yes. [38:23] And you're free to do that. [38:24] You're free to donate to whatever campaign you want. [38:26] So am I. [38:27] There's no argument there. [38:28] You can make an argument that we can reform the lobby system. [38:29] Okay. [38:30] That's fair. [38:31] But Americans are voting with their dollar. [38:32] And this is the way that they're voting. [38:33] The difference between the pharma lobby and the Wall Street lobby and the Silicon Valley lobby, which are gigantic. [38:38] Which are pouring a lot more money in. [38:39] Is that they're at least American companies. [38:40] So that's a huge difference. [38:41] There's no other lobby that represents a foreign country that has even one one hundredth of the impact that the Israel lobby has. [38:49] And that's what makes it so different and so dangerous. [38:51] Representing an ally. [38:52] An ally. [38:53] Jewish Americans have a vested interest in Israel. [38:55] Okay. [38:56] They're also our ally. [38:57] Why? [38:58] What do you mean? [38:59] Why do they have that? [39:00] Well, a lot of. [39:01] Some don't. [39:02] Some do. [39:03] Some don't. [39:04] Okay. [39:05] If some do, they can vote with their dollar. [39:06] They're already our allies. [39:07] So what's wrong with that? [39:08] So you're saying a lot of Jews have a vested interest in a foreign country? [39:10] Yes. [39:11] How do they? [39:12] President Trump said about Miriam Adelson, for example, who's a citizen of Israel and the United States, that he believes she has a greater loyalty to Israel. [39:19] She would choose Israel when the two are in conflict. [39:21] Would that be your choice as well? [39:22] And that's a problem. [39:23] They have different allies. [39:24] They care more about other countries they're born in as well. [39:27] Right. [39:28] But it's kind of a problem that the single richest and most powerful Israeli American is somebody who's in the White House all the time. [39:34] According to President Trump, has more loyalty to a foreign country than she does to the American, to the United States. [39:39] So kick her out. [39:40] That's a pretty gigantic problem. [39:41] So what? [39:42] Kick her out. [39:43] President Trump has her in the White House every other week because of the vast amount of money. [39:46] Okay. [39:47] Well, she's not doing anything illegal. [39:48] So what's the problem? [39:49] You have a problem with the motivation. [39:50] A lot of things aren't illegal that you can still criticize. [39:52] Okay. [39:53] So we can't just police everybody's motivations. [39:54] There are a lot of things that aren't illegal that still should be criticized and dragged out into the sunlight. [39:57] So let's criticize it. [39:58] And the influence of these. [39:59] That I am. [40:00] This whole AIPAC is this nefarious grand puppet master thing is absolutely debunkable. [40:04] Okay. [40:05] AIPAC sometimes does not win. [40:07] I mean, we saw with, in 2015, the JCPOA situation. [40:11] I agree. [40:12] I agree. [40:13] They don't always get their way. [40:14] They get their way almost all the time. [40:15] Most of the time. [40:16] And that is a huge problem. [40:17] Again, America's voting with their dollar. [40:18] Okay. [40:19] We got to pause there. [40:20] We are out of time. [40:22] Please return to your seat. [40:23] Thank you. [40:25] Want to be in a Jubilee video? [40:26] We are always on the lookout for smart, engaged, and passionate people who are ready to join the conversation. [40:31] Go to jubileemedia.com slash casting for an up-to-date list of episodes currently casting. [40:36] If you don't see something that's right for you, you can tell us about yourself by filling out our quick open casting application using the link in the description. [40:43] My next surrounded claim is the Trump administration has been considerably more corrupt than the Biden administration. [40:51] All right. If you'd like to debate this claim, please get to the chair in three, two, one. [40:56] Hello. [41:00] Hello there. [41:01] There's so many things. [41:02] I could talk for hours on end. [41:04] Even giving Kamala Harris an appointation of, I don't know if that's a word, but appointing her as the next candidate because he wasn't able to run. [41:16] You're America first, right? [41:17] That's what you're saying. [41:18] Right. [41:19] Okay. [41:20] So do you agree that it was corrupt? [41:21] So I'm somebody who believes that there was a lot of corruption in the Biden administration. [41:25] My claim is not that the Biden administration was free of meaningful corruption. [41:28] It was had a lot of corruption. [41:29] My claim is that the Trump administration has a lot more corruption and we can talk about what those financial deals are. [41:35] Please. [41:36] Okay. Well, I'll just give you one example. [41:37] Okay. [41:38] Jared Kushner, who's now running Middle East foreign policy and negotiating Middle East policy for Donald Trump, his son-in-law. [41:44] And doing a great job. [41:45] Right before he was put into that position just a year or so earlier, he created a hedge fund. [41:52] And the number one investor were the Saudis who invested $2 billion in Jared Kushner's fund, both as a reward for a job well done, for the service that the Trump administration in the first term gave to the Saudis, and also for making sure that the Saudis' interests are protected. [42:05] It's basically a bribe directly to the Trump family. [42:08] The Saudis' family created a crypto company called World Liberty Financial, 49% of which is now owned by the United Arab Emirates. [42:15] We've heard so much here about how important the UAE is, about how Saudi Arabia is, and they're funneling gigantic sums of money directly to the Trump family. [42:23] Okay, but look at, I just want to interject a little bit, because look at Nancy Pelosi. [42:26] Look at all the inside trading. [42:27] I agree with you completely. [42:28] It goes way beyond that. [42:29] That's not way beyond that. [42:30] So both sides do it. [42:31] Is it right? [42:32] No. [42:33] But Biden administration and all of the people on the Democratic side are doing it so much right now. [42:37] They're doing it so much worse on such a larger scale. [42:40] It's affecting America. [42:41] I worked a lot on the Hunter Biden corruption case principally that he got $50,000 a month from a company in Ukraine called Burisma when Vice President Biden had immense influence in Ukraine. [42:53] It was way more than that. [42:54] And as Andy McCarthy said, who's a longtime Republican conservative prosecutor, in order to talk about or compare the corruption, similar corruption by the Trump sons and by Jared Kushner, you have to add two zeros to the amounts. [43:05] And I think that's what the concern is. [43:08] Okay, we gotta move on. [43:09] Thank you. [43:10] You've been voted out. [43:11] Thank you. [43:12] It was actually fun doing this. [43:16] How's it going? [43:17] How are you? [43:18] Good. [43:19] So I think that we can see corruption pretty well in the Biden administration. [43:22] You've got Joe Biden's drug addict son that got convicted on gun charges, on tax evasion charges, and Joe Biden used his pardoning power to erase that completely. [43:35] But I think that we can see corruption in its finest when you have a senile old man like Joe Biden, who is getting propped up and is basically a puppet for the Democratic Party. [43:46] So I think when we talk about corruption, we're not talking generally about just bad acts or malfeasance in government. [43:53] We're generally talking about the influence of ill-gotten gains or malicious motives or self-interested motives in government decisions. [44:00] What made Hunter Biden, the Hunter Biden case, corrupt was not his drug addiction or his tax evasion. [44:06] Those were personal bad acts on his part. [44:09] Well, it's a bad use of the pardoning power for Joe Biden to do that. [44:12] It shows clear corruption. [44:13] Yeah. [44:14] I mean, President Trump has pardoned dozens of people, all of whom are very wealthy, who stole money from investors, who have friends that are very close to the Trump administration. [44:24] There's a whole pardon industry surrounding the Trump White House where if you have enough money and you can pay a million dollars or a million and a half dollars or two million dollars to close Trump associates, you will get a pardon. [44:33] But the problem with the Hunter Biden case, what made that so concerning was that he was monetizing the influence that Joe Biden had in Ukraine in order to get all kinds of money for himself. [44:44] This is what Donald Trump Jr. is doing. [44:46] Eric Trump is doing and especially Jared Kushner is doing in the in the region of the world that President Trump has been most influential, which is the Persian Gulf, where there's the most amount of money. [44:55] Billions of dollars have flowed to the Trump family through properties and entities that they've created, including World Liberty Financial, including Jared Kushner's. [45:03] Does that not concern you the way it did with Hunter Biden? [45:06] I don't know. [45:07] I'm talking about billions of dollars. [45:08] Right. Well, I mean, the HOC did report that the Biden family received twenty four to twenty seven million dollars. [45:14] I'm talking billions. [45:15] Again, we're talking about billions. [45:16] So basically, you're just basically saying that Trump was better at being. [45:20] No, I'm saying it's it's great. [45:22] It's more damaging corruption. [45:23] So you're criticizing Trump for being more of a businessman, a better businessman than Joe Biden. [45:28] It's like saying, oh, that guy stole a Milky Way and that guy defrauded billions of dollars from old ladies. [45:34] So this guy's better than this one at being a crook and being a corrupt criminal. [45:39] Yes, I do think Trump's better at that. [45:41] Yeah, I mean, corruption is similar as far as how it's monetized. [45:44] We got a pause there. [45:45] Flags are up. [45:46] You've been voted out. [45:47] Thanks. [45:48] Goodly. [45:55] How are you doing? [45:56] Good. How are you? [45:57] Doing well. [45:58] So you're saying that Trump is more corrupt than Joe Biden. [46:03] That's what you're saying. [46:04] I'm saying the Trump administration is more has a lot more corruption than the Biden administration has. [46:08] OK, by I'm guessing by what the war or his kids or what? [46:12] I think we're focused primarily on financial corruption. [46:15] I mean, you can talk about other kinds of corruption as well. [46:17] But the concern about Hunter Biden and the money that he made off his father's influence, which I found extremely objectionable and still do, pales in comparison to the extreme fortune that the Trump kids and Jared Kushner are building off of Trump's power. [46:31] OK, well, Trump Trump is not corrupted at all. [46:34] We're not in a war as well. [46:36] Sorry, there's so many. [46:37] I wanted to answer you on so many things, but you're not being specific about how it's Trump. [46:42] His administration corrupted. [46:43] What exactly? [46:44] Because his kids aren't the administration. [46:47] It's just Donald Trump. [46:48] So how is. [46:49] Well, Hunter Biden wasn't the Biden administration, but it was just the president. [46:52] I don't care about Joe Biden. [46:53] I want to go on. [46:54] You're saying Trump. [46:55] OK, Trump administration. [46:56] How is he more? [46:57] It's a comparison between the Biden administration. [46:59] The most corrupt thing that Trump has done. [47:01] I'll tell you. [47:02] I'll tell you what the. [47:03] There's a lot of things. [47:04] But the main one is they created a company shortly before Trump's inauguration. [47:08] That's a crypto company called World Financial Liberty. [47:11] They all you got. [47:12] If you want to. [47:13] If you want me to explain, I can explain it. [47:14] But you got to let me explain. [47:15] So you're saying that he's corrupt in a way that he can get in trouble just like Hunter Biden got in trouble. [47:20] I'll explain. [47:21] There's the World Financial Liberty, which is the crypto company that the UAE has invested hundreds of billions of dollars in that has 49% ownership that paid a huge amount of money to enrich President Trump. [47:34] On top of that, he created this coin, the Trump coin, where any foreign influencers or foreign power can pour as much money as they want into Donald Trump's pocket and have done so. [47:43] Are you aware that he's doing? [47:45] Are you aware that Trump doesn't take it? [47:46] Never has took his presidential checks. [47:48] Are you aware that he's given up all? [47:50] Yes. [47:51] That's. [47:52] That's four hundred and a half thousand dollars. [47:53] That's it. [47:54] OK. [47:55] Are you aware that he's given up all his all his everything he owns? [47:58] The. [47:59] The. [48:00] His. [48:01] Infinitely richer man now than he was when he saw you. [48:04] Are you jealous of that? [48:05] Because he's president. [48:06] Is that jealousy or something? [48:08] Are you jealous of that? [48:09] That he knows what to do with his money and he knows how to do it. [48:11] Did you. [48:12] Were you a critic of Joe Biden? [48:13] He is not corrupt. [48:14] He's not even close to corrupt. [48:15] And you know what? [48:16] You want to know what you're doing right now? [48:17] You're saying that I saw he corrected yourself. [48:19] You said you were saying Trump to the other people. [48:21] But now you you're talking to me and you said Trump administration. [48:24] So. [48:25] No, the formulation is that Trump administration has been significantly more corrupt than the Biden administration. [48:29] That's what it's been from the start. [48:31] And you you were talking to them saying Trump and now you're saying Trump administration. [48:34] I'm saying both. [48:35] I explained to you how Donald Trump was corrupt. [48:36] Okay. [48:37] So Trump is not the administration. [48:38] Trump is Trump. [48:39] So you think he's in control of whatever happens on something else or his. [48:43] The company that received hundreds of billions of dollars from the UAE is. [48:46] And that's all Trump's fault. [48:48] Trump's company. [48:49] He created the company with Steve Witkopf with Steve Witkopf. [48:51] Is that Trump's fault? [48:52] Yes or no? [48:53] Yes, of course it's Trump's fault. [48:54] He was the one who created the company. [48:55] How is it Trump's fault? [48:56] Because Trump is the one who received all that money and I was in bed with the UAE. [49:00] It's exactly the kind of quid pro quo. [49:01] So are you saying we gotta pause there? [49:02] We gotta pause there. [49:03] No, no. [49:04] I don't think I think there should be. [49:05] So how is that corruption? [49:06] We gotta pause there. [49:07] You've been voted out. [49:09] Hey. [49:10] Good to see you again. [49:16] Good to see you again. [49:17] How are you? [49:18] Good. [49:19] As I've been listening, I've been writing down all the areas of corruption that I could think [49:23] of from the Biden administration. [49:25] And so what you have to prove is that what Trump has done is greater than all of this. [49:28] It's considerably more. [49:29] Exactly. [49:30] You have Biden's auto pen where he's just signing legislation without actually not knowing [49:35] what it actually is. [49:36] How do you know what you have? [49:37] You have OSHA. [49:38] Let's go through this. [49:39] Well, hold on. [49:40] Let me list. [49:41] Okay, go ahead. [49:42] You have OSHA where he tried to cram down vaccine mandates on working Americans unconstitutionally. [49:49] You have $400 billion in COVID fraud during the Biden administration. [49:54] You have Hunter Biden. [49:55] I know you agree with that. [49:56] So I don't need to go into that too much. [49:59] You have millions of illegal immigrants entering in the country and changing the voter base. [50:04] You have free college. [50:05] He tried to do that unconstitutionally. [50:07] You have Burisma. [50:08] He went after Trump illegally through different court cases. [50:14] And you'll love this one. [50:16] You know who is the greatest senator who have taken the most amount of money from AIPAC? [50:22] Joe Biden. [50:23] Yeah, of course. [50:24] Of course. [50:25] Joe Biden's a fanatical guy. [50:26] I know that. [50:27] Of course. [50:28] No, Trump has gotten more from the pro-Israel lobby. [50:30] But Joe Biden has spent his entire career in captivity to Israel. [50:33] So your burden is to prove that everything that Trump has done outweighs all those other things. [50:39] Have you heard? [50:40] I think there's an issue with corruption and what that means and what that includes and doesn't. [50:44] But it's not every bad act. [50:45] But let's just leave that to the side for a minute. [50:47] Okay. [50:48] You've sat here and you've heard me list all of the different ways in which Trump, his sons, and Jared Kushner have built a multi-billion dollar personal fortune by trading on their power. [50:58] You've heard all those. [50:59] I'm not saying you agree with them, but you've heard me outline those, correct? [51:02] I've heard you outline them. [51:03] Do you agree or disagree with the claims that I've made about those? [51:06] Well, what I want to get to is your actual claim. [51:09] No, I know, but we're building a comparison. [51:11] So I heard you put in the body and column. [51:13] Sure, sure. [51:14] So why don't you go ahead and list all the multiple things, right? [51:16] Because you know the corruption there, right? [51:20] Okay. [51:21] So then now go ahead and list all the other things that Biden has done. [51:24] I just got done saying to you that while you were sitting behind me for the last 15 minutes, I've listed six or seven different ways in which Trump, his sons, and Jared Kushner have built a multi-billion dollar personal fortune by trading on his personal power. [51:39] I don't think there are things that compare in the Biden administration to the level of personal corruption. [51:43] And what I'm asking you is whether you think- [51:45] You don't think going after your political opponents- [51:47] I'm asking you is whether you think- [51:48] Illegally. [51:49] You don't think- [51:50] Trump has gone after his political opponents as well. [51:52] He's tried to indict James Comey. [51:53] He tried to indict Letitia James, and even the grand jury threw them out. [51:57] But I'm asking you about the examples that I listed. [51:59] Do you think I've accurately described the personal corruption- [52:02] I'm saying even if I grant your premise- [52:04] No, but I don't want you to grant it. [52:05] I don't want you to grant it. [52:06] I want to know if you think I've accurately described it. [52:07] Why? [52:08] Because even if I grant- [52:09] Because we're talking about billions of dollars in personal wealth. [52:10] And if you think the corruption is worse than the Biden administration, tell me the billions of- [52:15] With all of the examples you've named- [52:16] Glenn, I want you to defend your claim. [52:17] Do you think- [52:18] Do you think that- [52:19] I want you to defend the claim that you're making. [52:20] I'm defending it. [52:21] So Jared Kushner created a vulture capital fund, an investment fund, in which the primary investors were the Saudis, who invested $2 billion into Jared Kushner's personal fund. [52:32] The Emiratis have invested hundreds of billions, hundreds of millions of dollars as well. [52:36] Donald Trump, his sons, Steve Whitcoff, and his sons created a crypto company that the UAE has devoted hundreds of billions of dollars to, and then bought a 49% stake share in. [52:47] The Qataris have done the same. [52:48] Donald Trump Jr. and Eric Trump just created a new drone company that they're now selling to the Pentagon and getting contracts from the Pentagon that will further personally enrich the Trump family. [52:58] We're talking about a level, billions and billions of dollars in personal wealth that did not exist before Donald Trump entered the presidency, that now exists in his family by virtue of these deals with the exact countries on which he wields the most influence. [53:12] There's two points I want to make. [53:14] So first off, right, even, let's say I grant all of that. [53:18] Let's say I grant all of that. [53:19] Because it's true. [53:20] No, no, let's say I grant all of that. [53:21] That still doesn't prove your claim. [53:22] I brought up a whole list of things that Biden has done that's corrupt. [53:24] How much money did Biden and his family make? [53:26] Second, can I make my second point? [53:28] Can I make my second point? [53:29] Yeah, go ahead. [53:30] Okay, are American citizens not free to pursue business activities outside political office? [53:36] No, no, they're not. [53:37] Can Obama not pursue a Netflix deal? [53:39] They're conflicts of interest. [53:40] Can Obama not pursue book deals with other people? [53:41] Once he's out of office, he can. [53:43] Once he's served two terms and is out of office. [53:45] Was Trump in office when this was happening? [53:47] Yes, the World Financial Liberty Company was created in the transition after he won the election and before he was inaugurated. [53:53] Four days before he was inaugurated, he created that crypto company into which hundreds of billions of dollars of foreign money have flowed enriching the Trump family. [54:02] I don't think you know about these transactions. [54:04] I don't think we all, there's things people I brought up that I don't know about. [54:06] There's nothing wrong with that. [54:07] I'm just saying I think you ought to go and look at those transactions. [54:09] You're just not defending your claim, again, even if I would grant you all of that. [54:12] I'll leave it to the audience to decide if I've defended your claim. [54:14] Even if I grant you all of that, you still have not addressed anything about Biden. [54:18] You refuse to do so. [54:19] We got a pause there. [54:26] All right. [54:27] Good to meet you. How are you? [54:28] Good, how are you? [54:29] Good, thanks. [54:30] So you mentioned Donald Trump's crypto endeavor. [54:31] So could you tell me a little bit more about that and how that makes him corrupt? [54:33] Sure. [54:34] There's actually a constitutional prohibition on political leaders accepting or receiving gifts from foreign countries because of the obvious and extreme potential to corrupt US foreign policy [54:44] because foreign governments and foreign leaders can pay money into the pockets of American officials in exchange for favors. [54:50] So Trump, by creating this world financial liberty crypto company, along with Steve Witkoff and his kids, made it so that not just it's a potential that foreign governments and foreign leaders can invest huge amounts of money that go into Trump's pocket, but that was what the company was created for. [55:03] And that's exactly what has happened. [55:05] You mentioned that Trump was in violation of some type of federal law that restricted presidents from doing business. [55:10] It's a constitutional amendment. [55:11] Okay, awesome. [55:12] Okay, so you did not make that claim. [55:14] You didn't say Trump was in violation of a constitutional amendment to try to protect the interests of the American people. [55:18] You said he was corrupt. [55:19] So you haven't shown any type of reason of why Trump is corrupt. [55:23] No, the constitutional amendment is called the- [55:25] Does Trump own it or does his family own it? [55:28] Because that's the big difference. [55:29] He owned it when he founded it and once he was inaugurated president, he transferred ownership to his sons. [55:33] Yeah, so he followed the rules. [55:34] He followed the rules of the amendment. [55:35] I'm not saying- [55:36] He followed the rules of the amendment and also you have no evidence of him being corrupt. [55:38] Joe Biden also was not convicted for any matters relating to Hunter Biden's business activities, even though most people in this room, as I've heard and I would agree, think those activities were corrupt. [55:48] There are lots of political corruption that don't end up crossing the political line of corruption. [55:52] Corruption is when you do things that look and have the potential to be untoward because the way you're monetizing and exploiting your political power, which is supposed to be in service of the public for your own personal wealth instead. [56:04] But how do you have proof that he did this out of interest of the American public? [56:07] What we know- [56:08] And also who should be indicted? [56:09] What we know- [56:10] Somebody should be indicted, right? [56:11] If there's corruption, who should it be? [56:12] Donald Trump Jr., Eric Trump? [56:13] Donald Trump, who should it be? [56:14] There's a lot of corruption. [56:15] I think it's corrupt when the pharmaceutical lobby goes to members of Congress and says, [56:20] well, donate $100,000 to your political campaign or spend $100,000 on your election- [56:24] I would agree that's corruption. [56:25] But it's not criminal. [56:26] I would agree that's corruption. [56:27] But it's not criminal. [56:28] It's not criminal to do. [56:29] And so there's all kinds of corruption, unfortunately, in our system that has been legalized. [56:34] Okay. [56:35] So we both agree Trump didn't break the rules. [56:36] He gave the company to his sons, right? [56:37] Based on- [56:38] No, I think we need an investigation to see exactly what happened. [56:42] But based on what we know in the public, just the mere fact that Trump is creating a company- [56:45] Do you think Trump is trying to profit? [56:46] That Trump is creating a company- [56:47] Do you think Trump is trying to profit? [56:48] Four days before he's inaugurated. [56:49] He's been massively enriched. [56:50] He's been massively enriched by these transactions. [56:52] So Trump, during his first presidency, his net worth actually went lower than when he originally was inaugurated in 2017. [56:58] It's like about three times greater now than it was when he sought the presidency in 2016. [57:03] Yeah, because inflation happens, time goes on, and also Biden was president. [57:06] Because he got billions of dollars from the Persian Gulf dictatorships with whom he's closest in his presidency. [57:11] During his term from January 2017 to January 2021, Donald Trump's net worth went down. [57:16] During the Biden administration, his net worth went up. [57:18] Most likely because of inflation, because the Democrats were rampant with printing money. [57:21] Serious question. [57:22] Just imagine a president, a Democratic president, that's not Donald Trump. [57:27] Four days before they're inaugurated as president, they create a new company. [57:31] And into that company flows hundreds of billions of dollars, or billions of dollars, billions of dollars, [57:36] from the very countries that will be most affected by that president's foreign policy. [57:40] That wouldn't concern you at all? [57:42] You don't think there's anything disconcerting about that? [57:43] Well, I could have a concern of it. [57:44] There could be a suspicion. [57:45] But I'm not going to make a claim that he's corrupt. [57:46] And that's the claim that you're making right now. [57:48] Because everything that Trump has done since then has benefited those very countries that enriched his family so greatly, [57:53] with billions of dollars in personal wealth to his family. [57:55] So everything that he's done. [57:56] And not only that, but the Saudi investment in Jared Kushner's fund. [57:59] Do you think the Iran war negatively affects the UAE? [58:01] But the Iran war negatively affects the UAE, right? [58:03] And Donald Trump somewhat caused the Iran war. [58:05] The UAE is thrilled with the Iran war. [58:07] Really? [58:08] The UAE hates Iran. [58:13] They're encouraging Trump to continue. [58:16] They want regime change. [58:17] They despise Iran. [58:18] I would agree they hate Iran. [58:19] So do the Saudis. [58:20] This war is done. [58:21] Trump would never have done this war without those very countries with whom he's closest, [58:25] which coincidentally has also poured billions of dollars in personal wealth into his family. [58:30] If that isn't corruption, I don't know what is. [58:32] And all of you thought that what Hunter Biden did, which was on a much, much smaller scale, [58:36] you all thought that was corruption. [58:38] I did too, because I'm actually consistent. [58:40] I don't change my principles based on which party is in office. [58:42] It's the same exact transaction, only as Andy McCarthy said, [58:45] the longtime conservative prosecutor, in order to compare Trump's kids and Biden's kids, [58:49] you have to add two zeros to what Trump's kids are doing. [58:52] All right, let's pause there. [58:53] We've run out of time. [58:54] Thank you. [58:55] Good to talk to you. [58:56] My final surrounding claim is bombing Iran is not in the American people's interests. [59:00] If you'd like to debate this claim, please get to the chair in three, two, one. [59:06] Hi, Glenn. [59:08] Hey, how are you? [59:09] Good to meet you. [59:10] Good to meet you. [59:11] So I think in talking about this conflict or war, [59:12] the things that we have to establish is what each side has lost. [59:15] So in my estimation, and you're welcome to jump in, [59:17] I think the US has lost about 40 to $50 billion. [59:20] We've lost about 14 servicemen, which I think is the greatest loss that we've had. [59:24] And beyond that, we haven't lost a lot. [59:26] What Iran has lost is their entire military, their entire Navy. [59:30] They have lost half their leaders and a lot of money along the way. [59:33] So in my estimation, we're winning this war. [59:35] And the reason why we're fighting the war is because a thousand Americans [59:38] have been killed by Iran in the last 50 years. [59:40] Have they lost? [59:41] Has Iran, you mentioned the losses, has Iran lost any civilians? [59:45] Yeah, I'm sure. [59:46] That's how a war works. [59:47] Like for example, that's how war works? [59:49] Like on the first day we vaporized 170 young Iranian school girls [59:53] by bombing an elementary school? [59:54] Is that way into the calculation at all? [59:57] I think it's very clear that every single war there are civilian casualties. [1:00:00] There's never been a war in history. [1:00:01] No, no, I know, but that's one reason why we shouldn't fight wars, right? [1:00:04] Because innocent people die in them. [1:00:06] Life created by God is extinguished. [1:00:08] I would say if you're trying to be America first, which is the claim that you made, [1:00:11] you should prioritize your own citizens and servicemen over the people of other countries. [1:00:15] Okay, because I was hearing a lot, probably more than any other argument, [1:00:18] before the start of the war, that the reason we had to go to war was because the Iranian people [1:00:23] were massacring their own citizens and we had to go and protect them and liberate them [1:00:27] and bring them freedom and democracy. [1:00:28] So that's a huge part. [1:00:29] Is that a goal of the war? [1:00:30] And how does that weigh in with America first? [1:00:31] So absolutely, that's part of the war. [1:00:33] The reason why Donald Trump chose to take the time that he did to go into Iran [1:00:36] is because the fact that the people were ready to stand behind the US government in that. [1:00:40] So regime change is part of the war? [1:00:42] I think regime change would be the best case scenario of the war, yes. [1:00:45] No, but is it a goal of the war? [1:00:46] Like when you start a war, you have goals. [1:00:48] Like you said, you gave a reason for the goal, which is that like they've done bad things in the past. [1:00:51] I have no problem admitting that it's one of the goals. [1:00:53] I have no problem admitting that is one of the goals. [1:00:55] Is that war, has that goal been fulfilled? [1:00:56] We are currently five weeks into the war. [1:00:58] No, I know. I'm just asking. [1:00:59] It has not in five weeks, no. [1:01:00] We're actually in our sixth full week, but has that war- [1:01:03] In six weeks, no, that has not been accomplished yet. [1:01:05] Do you think that we're on our way to accomplishing the fall of the Iranian regime [1:01:08] and that the American government considers that to be one of the ongoing goals? [1:01:12] I think it is very possible that could happen. [1:01:14] I think it is the least likely goal. [1:01:16] I still think that the U.S. should pursue that goal. [1:01:18] But if we end up in this war, we are currently in a two-week ceasefire where there is no regime change, [1:01:25] where the current Iranian power structure, the Revolutionary Guard, [1:01:30] everyone else continues to govern Iran. [1:01:32] Will that have been a successful war goal? [1:01:34] Absolutely. We've lost 14 servicemen, bless their hearts, but they chose to do that [1:01:38] and they were very brave in doing so. [1:01:40] We have decimated their military. [1:01:41] No, no, I understand the other. [1:01:42] Their hypersonic military. [1:01:43] I just want to focus on this war goal. [1:01:45] I'm just confused because you were saying there are tears of goals for sure. [1:01:49] If we can achieve four or five, fantastic. [1:01:51] But I think what you said is so important, which is we're America first, right? [1:01:54] That's the movement that I thought that Donald Trump was creating that made me interested in the movement. [1:01:59] Yeah. [1:02:00] And so you began by saying, oh, it really doesn't matter about these 170 schoolgirls [1:02:03] because we have to focus on American lives, not Iranians. [1:02:05] No, that is what you said. [1:02:06] No, I'm saying that is every single war. [1:02:08] We do this moral grandstanding where we say, oh, these civilians died. [1:02:10] I do think it's horrible that civilians died. [1:02:12] Do you? [1:02:13] I absolutely do. [1:02:14] But I think it's worse for the American government to prioritize anybody outside of America. [1:02:18] We've had over a thousand people killed by the Iranian regime over the last 50 years. [1:02:22] How does bringing freedom and democracy to the Iranian people help the American people [1:02:25] whose interests you say should be first? [1:02:27] Because the current regime has killed over a thousand Americans. [1:02:30] If it's a different regime, hopefully that will not be the case. [1:02:32] But what if they're as tyrannical but pro-American? [1:02:34] Is that fine? [1:02:35] What if, like, we could say what if about literally anything. [1:02:37] Well, no, no, because I think that's so, because we prop up dictatorships throughout that region. [1:02:41] We don't care about democracy or bringing freedom to people. [1:02:43] We prop up the worst, most savage dictatorships in Saudi Arabia and Egypt and Bahrain [1:02:47] because we don't care about liberating people around the world. [1:02:50] So I just want to get a goal sent from you for what is your goal? [1:02:52] Is it a pro-American dictatorship like we used, like we installed previously? [1:02:56] It's very clear that the goal is if there is a regime change, it will be by the Iranian people. [1:02:59] That's why Trump chose to do it when he did it. [1:03:02] Is that our goal? Is it a war goal? [1:03:04] That is a goal, but there are tiers of goals, obviously. [1:03:06] Okay, so if we don't end up changing the government, will that be a goal that is failed or unfulfilled? [1:03:10] Sure, yeah, I've got no problem saying that. [1:03:12] Okay, if we achieve four out of five, no problem. [1:03:14] We've got to pause there. You've been voted out by the majority. [1:03:16] Good to talk to you. [1:03:17] Let's talk to you. [1:03:23] First of all, it was five guests that to find out you're Jewish. [1:03:25] Surprise. [1:03:26] Surprise. [1:03:27] Surprise. [1:03:28] What does Iran need a 60% enriched uranium for? [1:03:31] Iran never had 60% enriched uranium when the Iran deal was in place and there were IAA inspectors all throughout those Iranian facilities. [1:03:38] When President Trump nullified the deal, destroying the obligation of Iran to have inspectors and 24-hour surveillance, they decided that they needed protection because now they no longer had a deal in place. [1:03:48] They knew they could be threatened by Israel or the United States at any time. [1:03:51] And if I were the Iranian leadership, I think the one thing the Iranian leadership did that was probably their biggest mistake is that they didn't develop a nuclear weapon. [1:03:58] Jeez. [1:03:59] Because we've created a world in which we tell other countries, either you get nuclear weapons and we won't mess with you, like North Korea. [1:04:05] So you're looking for the North Korea? [1:04:07] You're looking for the North Korea model. [1:04:08] That's what we're looking for? [1:04:09] I'm saying if I were Iran, or we tell the world, if you don't have nuclear weapons, we'll invade you and bomb you at any time. [1:04:14] Would Iran use a nuclear weapon if they had one? [1:04:17] No, why would they? [1:04:18] There would be instant and immediate suicide. [1:04:20] And we're told that the Iranian government- [1:04:22] It's not suicide. [1:04:23] It's martyrdom. [1:04:24] To them, it's jihad. [1:04:25] Okay, then why aren't they launching all of their- [1:04:29] I know that- [1:04:30] Why are they not launching what? [1:04:31] Okay, you know what? [1:04:32] First of all, hold on. [1:04:33] No, no, no. [1:04:34] You have to let me talk. [1:04:35] You said why aren't they- [1:04:37] Why are they- [1:04:38] That they wanted suicide? [1:04:39] Every single time that the Israelis in the United States have attacked Iran in the past five years, which is many. [1:04:45] And even before that, they have been extremely restrained- [1:04:47] How many times have Iran attacked? [1:04:48] They have been extremely restrained- [1:04:49] Okay. [1:04:50] Extremely restrained? [1:04:51] Yes. [1:04:52] Define Iran to me. [1:04:53] Define who it is that is attacking. [1:04:56] Is it Iran? [1:04:57] Is it the proxies? [1:04:58] Are the proxies part of Iran? [1:04:59] Iran has an internationally recognized government at the UN that's recognized by all countries around the world. [1:05:04] When I say Iran, that's who I mean. [1:05:06] That's who I mean. [1:05:07] It's like the United States and Israel have proxies in Iran who are trying to overthrow the government. [1:05:11] Who were arming, who were training in order to overthrow the government. [1:05:14] These peaceful protesters, a lot of them were actually armed and organized by Israel- [1:05:19] So the 45,000 people that were killed- [1:05:22] Is the number 30 or 40 or 45? [1:05:24] Well, from right- [1:05:25] What we hear right now is 45,000. [1:05:27] But here's what I tell you- [1:05:28] That's not the number I hear. [1:05:29] Iran ran out of body bags. [1:05:32] Okay. [1:05:33] Iran ran out of body bags in those two days. [1:05:35] And a country of 90 million people usually has around 30,000 body bags in case of emergency. [1:05:41] Let me ask- [1:05:42] So that's what we're looking at right now. [1:05:43] Let me ask- [1:05:44] We have the numbers. [1:05:45] The numbers vary from all over the place. [1:05:46] Yeah, they do. [1:05:47] But let me ask- [1:05:48] No, I'd like to ask you a question. [1:05:49] Sure. [1:05:50] In the United States, we had an insurrectionary movement that was armed by China and Russia. [1:05:55] And they admitted it openly. [1:05:56] We've armed an insurrectionary movement inside the United States because we want them to overthrow the American government. [1:06:01] And they were going and attacking police officers, killing police officers, attacking government buildings. [1:06:06] How do you think we would treat those protesters- [1:06:08] I don't need to give you any kind of, you know, pie in the sky because you have Hamas and you have Hezbollah- [1:06:14] No, I'm talking about the United States, this country. I'm talking about our country. [1:06:16] Okay, do you not believe that these are attacking Americans as well? [1:06:21] The United States has been attacked many times- [1:06:23] So because- [1:06:24] Can I answer your question? [1:06:25] You ask me a question, just let me answer. [1:06:26] The United States has been attacked many times over the last 30 years with horrific terrorist attacks. [1:06:31] Do you know how many of them have come from Iranian terrorists or Shia terrorists? [1:06:35] The answer is zero. Zero. [1:06:37] We have never been attacked on American soil. [1:06:40] Fact check. [1:06:41] What terrorist attack happened from Iranian and Shia terrorists? [1:06:45] Which terrorist attack? [1:06:46] We've had 9-11, the Boston Massacre, the pole shooting, Fort Hood, attempted bombing in Times Square. [1:06:51] These were all Sunni terrorists from the governments that we love like Saudi Arabia. [1:06:54] So Sunnis are good and Shiites are- [1:06:56] You know there's a difference between Iran and the Arab countries, right? [1:07:00] Completely no. [1:07:01] And so I'm asking about the violence from Iran. [1:07:03] We're talking about the Iranian threat. [1:07:04] How many terrorist attacks have come from Iran or from Shia terrorists on the United States soil? [1:07:08] Any? [1:07:09] On United States soil. [1:07:10] Zero, right? [1:07:11] That's not zero. [1:07:12] No, it's not true. [1:07:13] What is the answer? [1:07:14] Because the proxies are considered part of Iran. [1:07:15] Which Iranian proxies have attacked the United States homeland? [1:07:18] How many Americans have died and when? [1:07:19] Do you not consider the barracks over- [1:07:21] We'll get to that. [1:07:22] I'm talking about the homeland. [1:07:23] Oh, so it has to be in the homeland for- [1:07:25] Yeah, that's generally what governments are supposed to secure and protect. [1:07:29] So if Americans are killed abroad- [1:07:31] Let's talk about the homeland. [1:07:32] Let's talk about the homeland first. [1:07:33] Because you said America first, right? [1:07:34] So American lives matter. [1:07:35] Right. [1:07:36] We shouldn't have- [1:07:37] The reason we shouldn't have troops over protecting Israel is because we put them in harm's way. [1:07:41] But I'm asking about the American homeland. [1:07:43] Has Iran attacked the American homeland through asymmetrical bombing, through terrorist attack, through guerrilla warfare, anything? [1:07:49] Why can't you just answer that? [1:07:50] Because the fact that you're blind to it- [1:07:52] Can you answer that? [1:07:53] Just please answer that. [1:07:54] Yes. [1:07:55] When? [1:07:56] When did that happen? [1:07:57] It never happened. [1:07:58] If anyone has any examples of terrorist attacks that came from Iranian or Shia terrorists, please come up and tell me. [1:08:03] Iranians control the Middle East through their proxies, through the Houthis, through Hezbollah, through Hamas. [1:08:11] And we control the Middle East through our proxy, which is Israel. [1:08:14] So Israel is a proxy of the U.S. right now? [1:08:16] Yes, absolutely. [1:08:17] Oh, so we're not an ally. [1:08:18] We're a proxy. [1:08:19] Okay, we gotta pause there. [1:08:20] We gotta pause there. [1:08:21] We gotta pause there. [1:08:22] Pause, pause, pause. [1:08:23] Tell me why the ceasefire needs to include- [1:08:25] You've been voted out by the majority. [1:08:27] We gotta pause there. [1:08:28] Thanks. [1:08:30] Hey, how are you? [1:08:35] Good to meet you. [1:08:36] Good to meet you, too. [1:08:37] I think bombing Iran is absolutely in the American people's interest, because they've been a problem for 47 years. [1:08:42] And I think what Trump is doing is he realized an opportune time where their economy, like the real, means absolutely nothing. [1:08:48] Their terror proxies are no longer a deterrent. [1:08:51] Hezbollah and Hamas have been absolutely decimated since October 7th. [1:08:54] In a desperate attempt, they murdered 30-plus thousand civilians in the streets. [1:08:58] And their uranium- [1:08:59] How many? [1:09:00] 30-plus thousand. [1:09:01] According to hospital records, 32,000. [1:09:03] And 60% uranium enrichment. [1:09:05] So I think Trump is looking right now and saying, we don't know what the next administration's gonna do. [1:09:08] We could have Democrats that might unfreeze their assets again, go back into the JCPOA. [1:09:13] This is an opportune time where they're, like, the weakest they're gonna be in the whole existence. [1:09:19] So, like, we should end this now. [1:09:21] Yeah, I think it's, I wanna talk about that. [1:09:23] I do, I just wanna ask you, and I'm not trying to be personal in any way, but I do think it's an interesting phenomenon [1:09:27] that for centuries, when countries wanted to go to war and people said, yeah, let's go to war, the big test was, [1:09:32] are you willing to risk your own life in the war that you think is so important to defend your country's interests? [1:09:37] You seem like a young guy to me. [1:09:38] Have you ever thought about going and fighting in this war that you're cheering on? [1:09:41] I mean, I've thought about joining the military before. [1:09:43] I don't know about this war specifically, but that's what makes them heroes. [1:09:46] They put themselves in dangerous situations. [1:09:48] I'm asking that because, as I said earlier, we are a country that constantly fights wars. [1:09:53] It's extremely aberrational for other countries on the planet, including very powerful ones like China, [1:09:57] as I said before, that has grown so significantly because they know that war is not a way that you'd pretend you're [1:10:03] to protect your national interests, but you undermine them. [1:10:05] But we are so eager. [1:10:07] So, it's so easy for us to say, oh yeah, go fight that war, go blow up these people. [1:10:10] We're a global superpower. [1:10:11] Of course, we're doing stuff all the time. [1:10:12] China is a global superpower as well and doing infinitely better than the United States by so many metrics. [1:10:16] I don't know about that. [1:10:17] Go ask Latin American and African countries with whom they're dealing more and who they prefer to deal with, [1:10:22] China or the United States, and they will tell you that the United States is a bully country [1:10:26] that runs the world through military force and China isn't. [1:10:29] That's one of the problems that we have. [1:10:31] But Iran has not attacked the United States, has no ability to attack the United States. [1:10:35] A moral country only goes to war and blows up elementary schools if that country is actually attacking the United States. [1:10:41] It's supposed to be a war of last resort. [1:10:44] That is not the case here. [1:10:45] We're blowing up their country. [1:10:47] We're killing their people. [1:10:48] We're threatening civilizational annihilation. [1:10:50] You don't think Iran would- [1:10:51] Because Iran is not a threat to the United States. [1:10:53] Death to America, death to Israel. [1:10:54] You know- [1:10:55] 60% uranium enrichment. [1:10:56] There's never been a country ever that for civilian uses with nuclear energy like it's that high. [1:11:00] And the Iran deal was in place, to what level did Iran enrich uranium? [1:11:05] Want to know the thing about the Iran deal? [1:11:06] I asked that please. [1:11:07] They kept it low. [1:11:08] Want to know why? [1:11:09] Because that had an expiration date. [1:11:10] Meanwhile, they got to have to reap all the benefits of their unfrozen assets. [1:11:12] So during- [1:11:13] And fund their proxies. [1:11:14] This other thing about unfrozen- [1:11:15] There's no limitations on their terrorism. [1:11:17] Do you think the United States has the right to just go around stealing other people's assets? [1:11:20] Like, hey- [1:11:21] If they're going to use it for terrorism, yeah. [1:11:22] Indonesia just sold- [1:11:23] And the United States just sides out on their own. [1:11:25] We're in a higher moral ground than Iran. [1:11:27] Why are we pretending they're the same thing? [1:11:29] Because I think that's very doubtful. [1:11:30] I know people in the United States, some of them think that. [1:11:32] But the rest of the world does not think this. [1:11:34] The rest of the world- [1:11:35] Okay, should we cater to the rest of the world thinks? [1:11:36] No. [1:11:37] Okay, we got a pause there. [1:11:38] You've been voted out? [1:11:39] Pause. [1:11:40] You've been voted out by the majority. [1:11:41] Thank you. [1:11:42] Thank you. [1:11:48] Okay, so I would like to clarify. [1:11:49] When you say that we are bombing Iran, I would like to say we are bombing the IRGC. [1:11:53] This has been some of the most highly discriminant warfare in U.S. history. [1:11:56] No civilian infrastructure has been targeted except for one bridge. [1:11:59] The school that you're talking about, there's some credible intel that that was a misfiring from the IRGC, [1:12:02] just like with Al-Shifa Hospital in Gaza. [1:12:04] Okay, nobody thinks that anymore. [1:12:05] Okay. [1:12:06] Go ahead. [1:12:07] Okay, so even if- [1:12:08] But what about that bridge? [1:12:09] What about that bridge? [1:12:10] So the bridge is used by- it was a bridge built to be used by civilians, right? [1:12:12] I'm not going to get hung up on one bridge, okay? [1:12:14] They were dismantling the IRGC. [1:12:15] But we're trying to blow up all their power plants now, too. [1:12:17] Okay, we are trying to get the Iranian regime which is belligerent to the table. [1:12:21] So this is what I view as in America's interest. [1:12:24] Having an aggressive power in the region which seeks to export the revolution, someone else already mentioned, [1:12:30] they are fighting a cosmic war. [1:12:31] It's really hard to negotiate with terrorists whose own mortality is a welcome martyrdom. [1:12:37] So the cost-benefit analysis and the negotiation table with Shia extremists is going to look a lot different than any other nation around the world. [1:12:44] So I view taking them out not only in America's interest but in the interest of our NATO allies in Europe- [1:12:48] By taking that, you mean getting rid of the government? [1:12:50] No, taking out the heads of the IRGC. [1:12:51] I'm not talking about regime change and Trump actually has never stated that as the official objective of this war. [1:12:55] But he did tell the Washington Post that freeing the Iranian people was the main important goal. [1:12:59] No, he said it will be yours to take. [1:13:01] He said- [1:13:02] That is a positive externality. [1:13:03] That is not the war aim. [1:13:04] There's a difference between a positive externality and a war aim and that is what President Trump stated. [1:13:07] Do you know the Washington Post interview I'm talking about? [1:13:09] Are you denying that something you hadn't read? [1:13:11] Glenn, how many times have you talked to the media? [1:13:13] I want to encourage people to go and read- [1:13:14] Don't insult my intelligence on the point I'm making by myopically focusing on one Washington Post article. [1:13:17] I think I take the president seriously when he says this is what my most important goal is in going to war with Iran. [1:13:21] He said it was to take out the IRGC's infrastructure. [1:13:24] Again, it's the IRGC's infrastructure. [1:13:26] And again, he's never said regime change. [1:13:27] He said it will be for the Iranian people to take- [1:13:28] Is the IRGC still in power? [1:13:30] Well, then you're acknowledging the great success of this military campaign if you're saying that they're not in power. [1:13:34] So yeah, that's why this is a great- [1:13:36] I asked several people now, the goal of this war or the goals of this war- [1:13:41] Correct. [1:13:42] What do you consider those to be? [1:13:43] The main objective, the primary objective of this war is to take out the IRGC's offensive military capabilities, [1:13:51] which is not just a nuclear weapon. [1:13:52] It can also be ballistic missiles, which can reach the interior of our NATO allies in Europe, [1:13:56] which they didn't know before the start of this operation. [1:13:57] We're currently negotiating with the Iranians, right? [1:13:59] What are you waiting for? [1:14:00] What is the alternative, Glenn? [1:14:01] You want them to hit a NATO ally country and then we're in a larger scale war? [1:14:04] Is that a positive alternative to you? [1:14:06] Israel has a huge amount of nuclear stockpile- [1:14:09] I'm not even talking about nuclear capabilities. [1:14:11] And there are tons of countries that have intercontinental- [1:14:14] They are not belligerent actors who are fighting a cosmic war and aren't deterred by their own mortality. [1:14:19] I think Israel is fighting a cosmic war. [1:14:21] They are not fighting a cosmic war. [1:14:22] Yes, they are. [1:14:23] No, they are not. [1:14:24] They are not fighting an eschatological war. [1:14:25] They're religious freaks. [1:14:26] The people who run Israel are religious and political fanatics. [1:14:29] They can have a different religious prescription than you and not be fighting a cosmic war. [1:14:33] Let me ask you a question. [1:14:34] If they were fighting a cosmic war, Gaza wouldn't exist today. [1:14:36] You got to let me talk. [1:14:37] Let me ask you a question. [1:14:38] If the Iranians are these extremely irrational people who seek martyrdom and want to die, [1:14:43] why are we now negotiating an attempt to negotiate it into this war? [1:14:47] Why were we able to diplomatically negotiate an Iran deal before? [1:14:50] Because we destroyed them. [1:14:51] We eliminated their air capabilities. [1:14:52] But you're saying they want to die. [1:14:53] They want to die. [1:14:54] And so many of them have died. [1:14:56] But you're saying they want that. [1:14:57] Why would there be Iranian officials currently negotiating into the war with the United States [1:15:01] when you're saying these are religious fanatics who want to die? [1:15:04] Why would they want the war to end then? [1:15:06] Because the end of the regime is going to come if they can't get to the negotiation table. [1:15:10] And that's a certainty. [1:15:11] So let's get back to why this is good for America and Europe. [1:15:13] They have ballistic missiles that can reach the interior of our NATO allies. [1:15:16] The rest of the Middle East too. [1:15:18] Nuclear armed NATO allies? [1:15:19] They're going to do that? [1:15:20] You're so myopically focused on Israel when it comes to Iran and the Middle East. [1:15:23] I didn't mention Israel. [1:15:24] Let's talk about this entire debate. [1:15:25] You have the entire Gulf states. [1:15:26] You have Saudi Arabia. [1:15:27] I have Kuwait. [1:15:28] Bahrain. [1:15:29] The UAE. [1:15:30] All of these countries also benefit. [1:15:31] So you're trying to myopically focus and propagate Israel as a motive for this war. [1:15:33] I thought we were America first. [1:15:34] We are America first. [1:15:35] So now we're fighting a war for Persian Gulf tyrannies? [1:15:37] What is your alternative? [1:15:38] So you don't agree with sanctions because it's their money. [1:15:41] You don't agree with responding to provocation of the Iranian regime. [1:15:43] You've conflated Iran. [1:15:44] You've conflated Iran. [1:15:45] You've conflated Iran. [1:15:46] You've conflated Iran and their military proxies. [1:15:48] You asked me my solution. [1:15:49] I can only tell you if you stop talking for like three seconds. [1:15:52] Just breathe a little bit. [1:15:53] Sorry. [1:15:54] My solution is that you're not. [1:15:55] You can't stop talking. [1:15:56] My solution is the diplomatic solution that we had from 2015 until 2018 when the Iranians [1:16:03] were allowing IA inspectors into every single nuclear facility and the IAEA reported 18 times [1:16:10] from 2015 to 2018 that the Iranians had not enriched beyond 3.67%. [1:16:15] The prime minister of the country that you seem to really like, which is Israel, has said for 30 years is that the Iranians are seconds away, minutes away, weeks away from getting a nuclear weapon. [1:16:24] For 30 years the Israelis have told Americans this, and yet they never have. [1:16:30] Tulsi Gabbard who runs- [1:16:31] So you're a propagandist for the regime. [1:16:32] We've established that. [1:16:33] Tulsi Gabbard who's not an Iranian but the American director of national intelligence goes to- [1:16:36] So you're a propagandist for the regime. [1:16:37] This is what we all, I think you're probably too young to have lived through the Iraq war, but anyone who stood up and opposed the Iraq war, the worst disaster in American history of the last 100 years was told, [1:16:45] you're a propagandist for Saddam Hussein, you're rooting for the terrorists in Iraq. [1:16:49] This tactic doesn't work. [1:16:50] This is a bullshit tactic. [1:16:51] What happened in Iraq is completely different than what's happening in Iran. [1:16:52] I'm an American citizen. [1:16:53] Saddam Hussein let UN's weapons monitors in after UN resolution 1441 to go inspect their weapons capabilities. [1:17:00] The Iranian regime has not done that. [1:17:01] They kicked out the International Atomic Energy Agency. [1:17:04] Only once the deal was invalidated by President Trump. [1:17:07] Okay, so if they're such good faith actors, why wouldn't they just let them stay? [1:17:09] They comply with their treaty that Israel refuses to sign, which is the nuclear non-proliferation treaty. [1:17:14] Every country in the world except for Israel, India, Pakistan, and South Sudan signed that deal. [1:17:19] I want to understand what your- [1:17:20] And under that nuclear non-proliferation deal, the IEA inspectors are allowed to go in. [1:17:24] I'm not just talking about their nuclear weapons. [1:17:25] I've talked about other offensive capabilities. [1:17:26] And Iran allowed far more invasive capability. [1:17:28] Listen, Glenn, it's IA 101 that when your adversary races to arms and increases their offensive capabilities, [1:17:35] it's going to create a security dilemma for the West. [1:17:37] That's a madman mentality. [1:17:38] No, it's not. [1:17:39] Every country in the world is building arms. [1:17:40] The idea that we're supposed to go and bomb every country that we're in conflict with, [1:17:43] because they build up their conventional weapon system. [1:17:46] The difference with Iran, is that Iran? [1:17:48] Has that- [1:17:49] We've got to pause, you've been voted out. [1:17:50] All right. [1:17:51] Turn to your seat. [1:17:57] Hello, how you doing? [1:17:58] I'm back. [1:17:59] So we're going to get into whether or not this is America first. [1:18:01] I just want to start with one thing that you've been saying is that we fight wars at the best of Israel, [1:18:05] which is very important. [1:18:06] I didn't say that. [1:18:07] No, you did. [1:18:08] You said that we fight wars for Israel, or we come into Israel's defense in every single war. [1:18:12] That's what you said, but let me respond to that. [1:18:14] So when it comes to this- [1:18:15] I need to tell you what I said, just so you don't start arguing against the point that it made. [1:18:18] I mean, that is what you have said, but sure, go ahead. [1:18:20] Really quickly. [1:18:21] What I'm talking about, I think this war is for Israel, but I also know that every time Israel has wars, [1:18:25] when they're having Iran shoot weapons at them, when they're stealing in from Syria and Lebanon, [1:18:30] we deploy military assets to the Middle East, put our soldiers in harm's way to protect Israel in those wars. [1:18:36] Okay, that's inaccurate. [1:18:37] I mean, the Iron Dome and the Aero system specifically deal with ballistic missiles, [1:18:40] and we also have bases in Jordan that also intercept them as well. [1:18:43] We didn't deploy American forces. [1:18:44] Hold on, hold on. [1:18:45] No, we didn't. [1:18:46] No, I want to get- [1:18:47] Let me get my broader point in really quickly. [1:18:48] Okay, but let's get to the facts first. [1:18:50] That's fine. [1:18:51] Hold on. [1:18:52] I have a broader point. [1:18:53] But you said it's so false. [1:18:54] Let me make this broader point. [1:18:55] So you've made that general claim that we have been fighting these wars for Israel, right? [1:18:58] You've made the same claim for Iran. [1:18:59] No, no, no. [1:19:00] I think Iran is a war for Israel. [1:19:02] I don't think other wars are for Israel. [1:19:03] So only Iran. [1:19:04] Correct. [1:19:05] That's the only war that we fought for Israel. [1:19:06] I think we deploy our military forces to protect Israel on top of all the money that we give them. [1:19:10] Do we deploy our military forces to protect Bahrain and Qatar and Kuwait where we have also military bases there? [1:19:15] Barely ever because they're not fighting wars. [1:19:17] Barely ever? [1:19:18] They're not fighting wars for their neighbors the way Israel is. [1:19:20] Sure. [1:19:21] What was the number one country that was hit by Iran in terms of missiles? [1:19:25] You mean in the last three months since we've attacked them? [1:19:27] During the conflict. [1:19:28] During the conflict currently. [1:19:29] They've shot wars a lot at Saudi Arabia and Iraq. [1:19:31] Number one is Qatar. [1:19:33] Israel is like number three. [1:19:34] Okay. [1:19:35] Okay, great. [1:19:36] And so our assets are there defending those countries as well, right? [1:19:38] Yeah, we have military bases there. [1:19:39] Okay, great. [1:19:40] What did bin Salman say in 2018 in reference to Iran? [1:19:42] 2018 is a long time. [1:19:43] What do you mean? [1:19:44] What did he say? [1:19:45] Well, you were mentioning things from the 80s and 90s. [1:19:46] So I was just saying, but- [1:19:47] The Saudis and the Iranians have had- [1:19:48] The Saudis and the Iranians have had- [1:19:49] The Saudis and the Iranians have had- [1:19:50] I wonder where that came from, but hold on. [1:19:52] Bin Salman- [1:19:53] Bin Salman said that the IRGC and the Ayatollah- [1:19:54] The last time you were here- [1:19:55] The last time you were here you gave- [1:19:56] Don't cut me off. [1:19:57] No, the last time you were here you gave a speech. [1:19:58] This is important. [1:19:59] No, you can't give a speech. [1:20:00] You're trying to avoid this. [1:20:01] Because you know what he said. [1:20:02] Just- [1:20:03] I'll tell you what he said. [1:20:04] In 2018, bin Salman said the Ayatollah- [1:20:05] You asked me what he said. [1:20:06] Do you want me to tell you? [1:20:07] You have to leave- [1:20:08] Guys, guys, we gotta have an exchange. [1:20:09] Right. [1:20:10] Let me get it out. [1:20:11] Let's hear from Glenn for a second and then let's get back into a dialogue. [1:20:14] In 2018- [1:20:15] Matt, we're starting with Glenn. [1:20:16] Okay. [1:20:17] You asked me the question about the situation between Iran and Saudi Arabia. [1:20:20] Sure. [1:20:21] Saudi Arabia is a brutal, savage dictatorship that the United States props up. [1:20:25] Because of religious conflict, Sunni versus Shia, the Saudis and the Iranians have a lot of tension that has been actually decreasing. [1:20:33] But because the United States uses Saudi Arabia to attack Iran, Iran has been shooting missiles at military bases in Saudi Arabia. [1:20:39] That's not true. [1:20:40] So it really stems from the 2011 Yemeni Civil War. [1:20:42] And I mean, we can go to Yemeni history where there's communists in the south and the north that was more pro-Western or more pro-capitalist and so on. [1:20:49] But specifically, the number one funder of the Houthis has been Iran. [1:20:52] Correct. [1:20:53] And the Houthis have obviously trying to- [1:20:55] They've taken over the capital. [1:20:57] They've been undermining the official government. [1:20:59] And that's why Saudi had to get involved to protect their own airspace and their own defenses as well because the Houthis were launching missiles into Saudi Arabia. [1:21:05] And? [1:21:06] And who funds that? [1:21:07] The IRGC. [1:21:08] He specifically said that who was the Hitler of the Middle East in 2018? [1:21:11] Or even still now, you could say, the Ayatollah. [1:21:13] That's what he specifically said. [1:21:14] It's so funny that you think Mohammed bin Salman is the moral arbiter of the Middle East. [1:21:18] I think in comparison- [1:21:19] Mohammed bin Salman is the worst monster on the planet. [1:21:21] Right, right. [1:21:22] You can say he's the worst monster on the planet. [1:21:23] Is he? [1:21:24] Is he? [1:21:25] Is he a monster? [1:21:26] Hold on, hold on. [1:21:27] Is he a monster? [1:21:28] Sure, sure, hold on. [1:21:29] $142 billion arms deal. [1:21:30] Is he? [1:21:31] $142 billion arms deal we signed with him last year. [1:21:32] I also believe he signed a $1 trillion AI deal. [1:21:33] So in terms of economic benefits that we have in strategic asset benefits, yeah, it's very good. [1:21:38] Right? [1:21:39] We love tyrants. [1:21:40] We love tyrants. [1:21:41] We love tyrants. [1:21:42] It's funny when you talk about our assets. [1:21:43] That's really funny. [1:21:44] What is the point? [1:21:45] Can you get to the point that you're making? [1:21:46] Well, you've been actually- [1:21:47] Yeah, sure, I can get to it. [1:21:48] What is the point? [1:21:49] Great, I'll get to it. [1:21:50] Just let me finish. [1:21:51] In reference to our assets specifically, let's talk about South Korea. [1:21:54] So since 1950, we spent about $4 billion annually on South Korea. [1:21:58] So that's what, 76 years we've been doing that for? [1:22:00] That's $304 billion. [1:22:03] You don't talk about that. [1:22:04] How many, where is the number one country- [1:22:05] I do talk about that. [1:22:06] I think we should stop. [1:22:07] Hold on, hold on, hold on. [1:22:08] What is the number one country where we have- [1:22:09] What does this have to do with the war in Iran? [1:22:10] What does this have to do with the war in Iran? [1:22:11] What does this have to do with the war in Iran? [1:22:12] Because you're acting as if this is an Israel-only thing. [1:22:14] I haven't mentioned it. [1:22:15] We're not talking about Israel. [1:22:17] No, you did say this. [1:22:18] The proposition is bombing Iran is not in American people's interest. [1:22:22] Do you have anything to say about that? [1:22:23] Yes, and you've been making this purely about Israel. [1:22:25] I don't think it's about Israel. [1:22:27] Yes, you do. [1:22:28] Yes, you have. [1:22:29] Why are you so scared to debate the truth? [1:22:30] You've been making this about Israel. [1:22:31] All right, all right. [1:22:32] Let me ask you a very simple question. [1:22:33] Why are we at war with Iran because of Israel? [1:22:35] The point that I picked, that number two that I chose, [1:22:38] is President Trump is subservient to the Israel lobby. [1:22:41] That's a different prompt. [1:22:42] I spent here and talked about this for 20 minutes. [1:22:44] I am not afraid to talk about Israel. [1:22:45] There are other reasons why the United States is in war with Iran besides Israel. [1:22:48] Let me give you a dichotomy. [1:22:49] Let me give you a dichotomy. [1:22:50] Let me give you a dichotomy. [1:22:51] Okay, okay. [1:22:52] We've got to pause there. [1:22:53] I just want to give Matt one-word answer. [1:22:54] Do you think it's in the United States' best interest? [1:22:56] Can I ask him a question? [1:22:57] I have one question for him. [1:22:58] I just, we're out of time on this prompt, [1:22:59] so I just want to hear one-word answer to his prompt. [1:23:01] Do you think it's in the United States' best interest to bomb Iran? [1:23:04] Absolutely, yes. [1:23:05] Okay, great. [1:23:06] I want to do a quick, quick poll. [1:23:11] Raise your flag if you would support if the United States sent ground troops to Iran. [1:23:17] Raise them high just so we can get a count of flags. [1:23:21] Raise your flag if you, if the Americans sent ground troops to Iran, [1:23:25] that you would go right now and sign up to be part of that ground invading force. [1:23:28] Thank you, thank you guys. [1:23:36] So for our last portion, I'm going to ask you to look around the circle [1:23:39] and select somebody who you want to return to this chair [1:23:43] and debate for a final 10 minutes based on their claim. [1:23:46] You're the one. [1:23:47] Hi again, Glenn. [1:23:48] Hello. [1:23:49] My surrounded claim is that Donald Trump is the best president of my lifetime. [1:23:54] All right, so I want to ask you what your metrics are. [1:23:57] Just name the two or three most important metrics. [1:23:59] Okay. [1:24:00] Yeah, I would just say America first being prioritizing of the American people. [1:24:03] I would say the second metric to me would be frankly the economy, [1:24:07] which I know that kind of ties into America first, [1:24:09] but I think the economy is the most important thing in opinion polls to Americans. [1:24:12] And then the third is foreign policy, which we've talked about today, [1:24:15] which is kind of a personal note for me. [1:24:17] I think he's been the best on foreign policy. [1:24:19] So let's start with the third one just because what we've been talking about. [1:24:21] I also have a question about that. [1:24:22] So as I said earlier, what though I had been long associated with the left prior to Trump's emergence [1:24:28] on the political scene, what interested me probably most about his political, [1:24:32] his approach to this new political movement, to this kind of new Republican politics, [1:24:37] was this very aggressive critique of prior Republican orthodoxy and foreign policy, [1:24:41] particularly the Iraq war, but other kinds of regime change efforts in the first term. [1:24:45] I thought he adhered to that because as I said earlier, [1:24:47] he was the first president decades not to start a new American war. [1:24:49] Right. [1:24:50] Do you think that there has been a full scale alignment in the second term, [1:24:54] even though he focused on Yemen and bombing the Houthis, [1:24:57] which President Biden had done, then he moved to arming and funding Israel [1:25:01] and its destruction of Gaza and its stealing of land in Syria and Lebanon, [1:25:04] then onto Venezuela, talking about overthrowing the government of Cuba, [1:25:08] putting a new regime change in Cuba, and also this war in Iran. [1:25:11] Can you really say with all of that in 14 months that he has focused most on America? [1:25:15] Yeah, absolutely. I think that the hallmark of his foreign policy is that he makes conflicts quick. [1:25:20] And so I don't know if I can say this about the other people in the room, [1:25:23] but for me, if the conflict in Iran doesn't end in the next six months, [1:25:27] then I would consider that to be a failure. [1:25:29] I don't think any of us should look at Donald Trump and just think he is my undying loyalty. [1:25:32] I have full trust in him. But the things that you all listed there are quick things that have happened. [1:25:37] And I think that has always been a consistency for Donald Trump. [1:25:40] For me personally... [1:25:41] Did the Yemen bombing accomplish anything? [1:25:43] I think any time that we're taking out terrorists and anti-America people, [1:25:47] I think that is a pro thing to do for America. [1:25:49] How do you know we kill terrorists? [1:25:51] Do you know the people who died in Yemen from that bombing? [1:25:54] Do you know their names? [1:25:55] No, no. Personally, I don't know. [1:25:56] So how do you know they're terrorists? [1:25:57] I think that Donald Trump has credible intelligence from our intelligence apparatus [1:26:02] that tells him these things. That's what... [1:26:04] Do you just blindly assume that if we kill people, they're probably terrorists? [1:26:07] I assume that I do not know as much as the intelligence apparatus for Donald Trump. [1:26:10] Is that the same assumption when Biden's president, when Obama's president? [1:26:13] I do. [1:26:14] Go kill people and we'll just assume they're terrorists? [1:26:16] Obviously not. I think prolonged conflicts are an indication that that intelligence is not being acted upon. [1:26:21] Like President Obama fought a war in Libya for... [1:26:24] Yeah. [1:26:25] It lasted about four months, five months. [1:26:26] Yeah. [1:26:27] Took out the government. [1:26:28] The head of Libya, Muammar Gaddafi, who used to be a US ally, [1:26:31] was sodomized and raped to death in the streets. [1:26:34] Yeah, I don't think he was... [1:26:35] For a quick war, did you support that war? [1:26:37] No, because that was anti-American. [1:26:39] When we're trying to depose regimes or peoples or terrorists that are anti-American, [1:26:43] we do it quickly, fantastic every single time. [1:26:45] But Gaddafi was a designated terrorist. [1:26:47] He was accused of having taken out a plane, a Pan Am jet that killed 260 people, [1:26:52] which was one of the reasons why the United States took out the war. [1:26:55] I just... [1:26:56] I totally understand. [1:26:57] I think my problem is... [1:26:58] So you're pointing to all of these things. [1:26:59] I think at the same time, I can point to all these things, Venezuela, Maduro being taken out, [1:27:02] that were absolutely fantastic. [1:27:04] The consistent through all of Trump's presidencies is that it's quick. [1:27:06] The first... [1:27:07] The last part of Trump's first term in 2020 was dominated overwhelmingly by the COVID epidemic. [1:27:14] Yeah. [1:27:15] In which he ushered in a vaccine that became very controversial. [1:27:18] During that 2020 year, there were all kinds of very severe lockdowns. [1:27:22] Yeah. [1:27:23] He kept Anthony Fauci in place, the COVID infrastructure in place. [1:27:26] Do you think his management of COVID was good? [1:27:28] Well, I would not say that his management of COVID was perfect, but again, my claim... [1:27:32] Was it good? [1:27:33] Was it good? [1:27:34] No, I wouldn't say it was even good. [1:27:35] But my claim was that he is the best president of the century. [1:27:37] And I think everyone here and I think yourself would agree that Biden handled it much worse [1:27:41] than Donald Trump did. [1:27:42] Do you agree with that? [1:27:43] I thought Donald Trump's handling it was terrible and I thought Biden's handling it was terrible. [1:27:46] But Biden's was much worse. [1:27:47] I mean, Donald Trump would not have prolonged that in the same way. [1:27:49] Can we agree on that though? [1:27:51] The worst lockdowns happened under President Trump in 2020. [1:27:54] But that was also right when the virus happened and nobody knew it was happening. [1:27:57] That is completely unfair. [1:27:58] There were huge numbers of people throughout 2020 who were protesting on the grounds that [1:28:02] those lockdowns were extremely repressive. [1:28:03] Totally fine. [1:28:04] We weren't even allowed to go to our relatives' funerals. [1:28:06] I'm not defending that. [1:28:07] I'm not defending that. [1:28:08] No, but for me, that was an extremely dark mark on the first Trump administration. [1:28:12] I totally agree. [1:28:13] I do not defend those things that Donald Trump did, but Biden was much, much worse. [1:28:16] Well, what did Biden do with the COVID epidemic? [1:28:19] The Vax mandate. [1:28:20] The Vax mandate. [1:28:21] Nothing that Donald Trump did was ever pushing a Vax mandate on the American people. [1:28:25] Oh, I mean, there were people, including the military in 2020, who were told that they [1:28:29] had to get the COVID mandate, who were told they had to get the COVID vaccine or face termination. [1:28:34] So I disagree on that, but Biden did it to the entire country. [1:28:37] So again, my claim is not that Donald Trump didn't make mistakes. [1:28:39] My claim is that he is the best president that we have had so far. [1:28:42] So my question for you really quick, because we're on COVID here. [1:28:45] Do you think that had Donald Trump been in office longer during COVID that he would have [1:28:49] prolonged those bad policies like Biden did for literally years after? [1:28:53] It's really hard to say hypothetically, but I know that the- [1:28:55] But he did it. [1:28:56] But he was out of office. [1:28:57] But I know that the lockdowns and the empowerment of Fauci as the supreme authoritarian leader [1:29:05] who basically, whose pronouncements couldn't be questioned, that all was done by Donald Trump. [1:29:09] I know we all want to forget that because a lot of us think that that was very bad. [1:29:13] I'm not denying that. [1:29:14] I'm not denying that. [1:29:15] But Donald Trump was the birther, the genesis of that COVID regime. [1:29:19] But since come out and completely come out against that and Biden has not. [1:29:22] So here's my question to you. [1:29:23] There's only four presidents who've been president this century. [1:29:25] Who do you think is better than, than Donald Trump? [1:29:28] I actually think that if you judge by the metrics on which I focus, but also on the impact- [1:29:34] And what are those, just so I can understand- [1:29:36] Well, definitely, I would just say putting the American people first above the establishment, [1:29:41] above global institutions, above the military industrial complex, [1:29:44] all the things that Trump basically promised to do, focus on the working class. [1:29:48] I think that in a lot of ways in the second term, Donald Trump's second term is so different from his first. [1:29:52] And the second term I think is arguably the worst. [1:29:54] So you think his first term is the best version of the presidency that we've had this century? [1:29:58] It's just, again, it's just so, such bad competitors. [1:30:01] But yeah, I would, I would probably rank his, in this century, I would rank his first term near the top. [1:30:07] So we're in agreement. [1:30:08] Yeah, I don't, I told you that, I said that from the beginning. [1:30:11] I said that from the beginning, that I was an enthusiast for what Trump promised, for the Trump movement, for the America first movement. [1:30:17] I actually believed in that, that's what I want. [1:30:18] So here's my question, since we have more time, Glenn. [1:30:21] President Trump's presidency, his second term, we're only about a year and a half in, right? [1:30:25] And so are you willing to change your opinion if, for instance, we talked about Iran earlier, let's say the Iran war finishes up here in the next month, and there is no regime change, but we did completely take out their military, we did take out half the IRGC. [1:30:38] We did, we haven't taken, we have, they have thousands of ballistic missiles left. [1:30:42] Are you willing, my main point is, are you willing to say you were wrong on Donald Trump and say, oh, I was looking at the first 18 months since presidency, but the last second term actually turned out pretty good. [1:30:50] Well, I'll ask you the same question, if Trump's presidency worsens, you'll, you'll change your mind too, obviously I will change my mind based on whatever happens. [1:30:56] But the problem is, this war is going to have lingering and enduring effects on the economy, on gas prices. [1:31:01] There's, the Iranians are not going to give up the control of this trade of Hormuz, they're going to continue to charge money for that, which they didn't do previously. [1:31:07] Lots, and also you have to, you have to account the people who are dead as well. [1:31:13] I think that the funding and arming of, of the destruction of Gaza, which Joe Biden did for two years, and then Trump did for eight months, is also something that is one of the worst crimes of the century. [1:31:22] So, yeah, I hope it gets better. [1:31:24] But the problem is, and I assume you agree with this, it's extremely likely, we don't know the future, but it's extremely likely Democrats are going to take over the House. [1:31:30] I agree. [1:31:31] And maybe the Senate. [1:31:32] And I think a big part of that is Trump's focus, not on what he promised it would be on. [1:31:35] I think that's why Donald Trump is the greatest president of the century, is that he's looking at the second term and thinking, I'm not thinking about the midterms. [1:31:42] I'm not thinking about the politics of all. [1:31:43] Or about the promises I made to the American people. [1:31:45] Absolutely not. [1:31:46] He, as we've talked about today, he has talked about this since the 1980s. [1:31:49] He has always been anti-Iran, and he's always made it very clear that Iranians. [1:31:52] Why didn't he do it in the first term? [1:31:54] Because, as I spoke about earlier in our previous section, because the Iranian people themselves have come out and are finally willing to actually go against the IRGC. [1:32:01] We don't fight wars to liberate people. [1:32:03] We don't fight wars because the population wants it. [1:32:04] But it is completely different when their own people are supporting it. [1:32:07] My main point is this. [1:32:08] How do you know? [1:32:09] Let me ask that, because it's so fascinating to me when people say the Iranian people want to be bombed. [1:32:14] They want to have their bridges blown up. [1:32:15] I'm just saying, how do you know what the Iranian people want? [1:32:19] There are 96 million of them. [1:32:20] Have you been there? [1:32:21] Do you speak the language? [1:32:22] No, I've just seen the videos in Tehran where there are thousands of them cheering in the streets when the IRGC is being bombed and destroyed. [1:32:28] There are thousands of Israelis today in Tel Aviv protesting against the war with Iran. [1:32:32] No, no. [1:32:33] 90% of Israelis support the war. [1:32:35] Exactly, exactly. [1:32:36] I know, but... [1:32:37] No, no, no, no, no, no, no. [1:32:38] You're right. [1:32:39] They have taken on 3,700 casualties in the civilian population and they support it. [1:32:43] That's my point. [1:32:44] You cannot judge what an entire population wants by the fact that... [1:32:47] I can see it in the streets. [1:32:48] I don't have to judge it. [1:32:49] I'm looking them sheer in the streets. [1:32:50] You can see in the streets in the United States, huge numbers of people marching against Donald Trump and calling him a monarch and a Hitler. [1:32:55] But you wouldn't say that that means that that's representative of American public opinion. [1:32:59] How do you, who never visited Iran, who doesn't speak the language, who I bet knows very little about Iranian history, [1:33:04] how do you know what the majority of 96 million Iranians want when it comes to whether we want them, they want us bombing their country? [1:33:11] I know there are... [1:33:12] So we don't have data in the last few weeks, but I know there are journalists that have gone there. [1:33:15] They have created public opinion polls asking who supports the IRGC and who does not. [1:33:20] It always overwhelmingly comes out that they do not support them. [1:33:22] You were the one who told me that you weren't that bothered by the blowing up of that school because we should prioritize American lives over Iranian lives, weren't you? [1:33:29] We absolutely should, but we were talking about the timing of this. [1:33:31] We're talking about the timing of why Trump did this. [1:33:34] And I think the reason why he's done this is because the Iranian people will make it easier. [1:33:37] The same is true for Israel, by the way. [1:33:39] Israel has taken way more casualties than the U.S. [1:33:41] And the reason why this is America first is because Donald Trump is able to see that Israel and the Iranian people are willing to do the work so that we take on less casualties. [1:33:48] And that's been true. [1:33:50] Have you seen pro-government protests in Iran? [1:33:54] No, I have not. [1:33:55] You haven't? You should go check because they're gigantic. [1:33:57] No. [1:33:58] And the reason for that is because every population unites behind their leaders when they're attacked by a foreign country. [1:34:06] It's a tribal instinct that happens. [1:34:08] George Bush was a hated president. [1:34:10] He got elected. [1:34:11] 9-11 happened. [1:34:12] All Democrats, liberals, people on the left, for the most part, united behind George Bush. [1:34:16] It's a tribal instinct that when you're attacked by a foreign power, unite behind your government. [1:34:19] I just want to make one more point on the casualties because we talked about that. [1:34:21] We've taken 14 casualties since the war started. [1:34:24] Something that Donald Trump did towards the first term that you really liked was that he brought us out of Afghanistan. [1:34:29] Well, Biden oversaw the withdrawal, but Trump negotiated it. [1:34:32] Yeah, but he started that. [1:34:33] During that time, just during the Trump administration. [1:34:35] Well, it's just true. [1:34:36] Biden oversaw the withdrawal of Afghanistan. [1:34:38] It's fine. [1:34:39] My main point is when Donald Trump was withdrawing our troops from Afghanistan, we took over 200 casualties doing that. [1:34:46] We've only taken 14 casualties doing that. [1:34:48] And when I say casualties, I mean loss of life. [1:34:50] No, there's a lot more casualties than 14. [1:34:51] Yeah, loss of life. [1:34:52] Loss of life. [1:34:53] You're right. [1:34:54] Loss of life. [1:34:55] We took hundreds when we were taking troops out of Afghanistan. [1:34:56] What Donald Trump is doing right now is making it, and I think it's very heroic, [1:34:59] he's making it so if a future president gets involved in Iran and puts boots on the ground, [1:35:03] that we don't have to lose hundreds of people pulling them out again. [1:35:05] And so I think what he's doing right now is absolutely heroic. [1:35:08] What do you, heroic? [1:35:09] Yeah, absolutely heroic. [1:35:10] What's heroic about sending other people to go fight wars? [1:35:12] I think it's absolutely heroic to say, again, we've had a thousand Americans die in the last 50 years [1:35:17] because Iranian terrorists and proxies have killed them. [1:35:22] But you said the war is going to end without a regime change. [1:35:24] Well, I don't know if that's true. [1:35:25] I don't think anyone does. [1:35:26] But you said if it ends quickly without regime change, you're going to consider it as success. [1:35:30] Trump understands that the American people may or may not want the Iran conflict to happen. [1:35:34] They don't. [1:35:35] But he knows what happens when we do go into places like this, [1:35:38] and he does not want to have to withdraw again. [1:35:40] So that is why he is attacking the way he is, and we've taken far less casualties because of it. [1:35:44] The problem that he's gotten himself into is he has two options, both of which are very bad. [1:35:48] Either we end the war now, we leave the regime in place, [1:35:52] they have thousands of ballistic missiles still pointed at Israel, still able to reach the Gulf States. [1:35:59] They still have control of the Strait of Hormuz. [1:36:02] They're still able to charge for it, which none of that was true prior to the war. [1:36:07] They still have huge drones and drone making capacities. [1:36:09] We've sunk a lot of their ships. [1:36:10] We killed a bunch of their leaders. [1:36:11] They're still running Iran. [1:36:13] The Iranian people still don't have... [1:36:14] I think that has Iranian propaganda. [1:36:15] So either you can arrest... [1:36:17] What is Iranian propaganda? [1:36:18] The fact that they have complete ballistic missile capability is absolutely not true. [1:36:21] That's U.S. intelligence assessments that are appearing in every single media outlet. [1:36:24] And so now you support the intelligence. [1:36:26] Like we got into this talking about how Donald Trump... [1:36:28] Oh, so I can't rely... [1:36:30] That's your double standard. [1:36:31] When you are talking about how many missiles Iran has or what their military capability has, [1:36:36] you can't rely on Iranian assessments. [1:36:38] You can't rely on American intelligence assessments. [1:36:40] Where do you get your information? [1:36:41] What are you relying on for telling me that they've been degraded greatly? [1:36:44] I'm relying on journalists. [1:36:45] What's your source? [1:36:46] I'm relying on journalists. [1:36:47] There's been the New York Times and the Washington Post. [1:36:48] Where do they get that information? [1:36:49] Yeah, it's possible they get it from U.S. intelligence. [1:36:51] Of course they do. [1:36:52] To use the same source as I am. [1:36:53] I understand, I understand. [1:36:54] But to act like the same ballistic missile capabilities exist right now... [1:36:58] No, they don't. [1:36:59] It's insanity. [1:37:00] It's been degraded. [1:37:01] There's fewer of them. [1:37:02] Of course, so how could this be a downside? [1:37:03] But they have thousands of them. [1:37:04] What is the downside on our side? [1:37:06] The downside is that we've evaporated civilian life, [1:37:10] including a bunch of young girls, and not only them, [1:37:12] but at least thousands of people in Iran, many of whom are civilians. [1:37:16] We've lost our own soldiers. [1:37:17] The people that Iran hid behind. [1:37:18] We've spent billions and billions of dollars. [1:37:19] We've made the world infuriating. [1:37:20] Less than 1% of our GDP. [1:37:21] We've driven up gas prices for everybody in the world. [1:37:23] Agreed. [1:37:24] We've destabilized that region. [1:37:25] We have no idea what's going to come next. [1:37:27] These are jihadists that go blow themselves up. [1:37:29] This is not destabilizing the region. [1:37:30] The only way to talk about war is some little game that you just started to play. [1:37:33] No, it's not a game. [1:37:34] Guys, we're running out of time. [1:37:35] We're running out of time. [1:37:36] And then you just leave it alone is if you're not actually involved in the bombs. [1:37:38] Okay. [1:37:39] All right. [1:37:40] Great to play. [1:37:42] Thank you. [1:37:43] I appreciate it. [1:37:44] Well, if you support the United States actions in Iran, thank you so much for watching. [1:37:48] Tune in Wednesday for a follow-up podcast and we'll see you next time. [1:37:51] I was really pleasantly surprised that pretty much universally, people who were here were [1:37:55] very connected to, engaged by, thoughtful of the topics we were discussing. [1:38:01] It just made it much more pleasurable and enjoyable for me to do. [1:38:04] And I think Glenn Greenwald is a very good debater. [1:38:06] Everything he was saying about Qatar and the UAE and the financial interests that the Trump [1:38:10] administration has with them, he's absolutely right. [1:38:12] Glenn, who seems to be anti-corruption on both sides, skirts around the Qatar issue. [1:38:16] Again, when he talked about the Trump family's dealings in the Gulf States, there was a $5.5 [1:38:20] billion deal that they did in Qatar. [1:38:22] And that's really conveniently left out because they exist within the axis of power that aligns [1:38:27] with Iran. [1:38:28] Corruption doesn't get that much attention because people don't think that if they vote those [1:38:32] people out, the other people will be less corrupt. [1:38:35] Trump, yeah, I think he's corrupt like every other politician. [1:38:37] I just think he's far less corrupt than the Biden administration or any other alternative [1:38:41] that we had going into this election. [1:38:42] I mean, I definitely think there's corruption. [1:38:44] I don't think it's more than Joe Biden's. [1:38:46] Causally, is it negative for us? [1:38:47] Like, this company funding Trump, is Trump doing something that's against American interests [1:38:51] as well? [1:38:52] And the amount of money that the Trump family is monetizing and profiting from, it's shocking. [1:38:58] And I do think when people hear it laid out, even Trump supporters who, you know, are willing [1:39:05] to be critical of him, trying to take a second look and say, wow, that does actually bother me. [1:39:11] Mm hmm. [1:39:14] Mm hmm. [1:39:15] Marte Niehaka, is this the previous video?" [1:39:20] Yeah. [1:39:22] Okay. [1:39:23] Here we go. [1:39:24] So here we'll be talking, My dad.