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"All right. Hello, everybody. Welcome to MAGA Mondays. I'm here with Will Sommer, who you can't see is wearing shorts. You know, Sam, I was biking in. I didn't have time to, you know, for me, punctuality is the most important thing in terms of delivering for the MAGA Monday audience. So, you know,..."
[0:01] All right. Hello, everybody. Welcome to MAGA Mondays. I'm here with Will Sommer, who you can't see is wearing shorts.
[0:11] You know, Sam, I was biking in. I didn't have time to, you know, for me, punctuality is the most important thing in terms of delivering for the MAGA Monday audience.
[0:21] So, you know, it is a classic news anchor look, too, right? Aren't they always wearing shorts?
[0:25] No. Beyond that, it's in direct violation of our employee handbook. And if you read the letter of the handbook, you are subject to termination instantaneously.
[0:36] So it's been a good run, Will, but we got to cut it sharp.
[0:39] We have a lot to talk about, everything from the world of sports to international affairs to clavicular.
[0:46] There is just a ton going on. Your boy, John Solomon, we're going to touch on that.
[0:50] But we're going to start with Trump, because if people didn't notice, the biggest sporting event in every four years happened yesterday, World Cup final.
[1:00] What do you think of the match itself? I thought it was kind of boring, honestly.
[1:06] Yeah, you know, I didn't watch it myself. I was grocery shopping.
[1:09] I was leaving my house to go grocery shopping, and my neighbor was like, what are you doing?
[1:13] You know, you got to be watching the World Cup. And I was like, oh, yeah, you know, you have these kind of parent weekends.
[1:17] Yeah, everything's, you know, carefully orchestrated. But I did hear it was boring.
[1:22] And but, you know, it's I feel like the World Cup went off pretty well.
[1:26] You know, obviously, Cash Patel did a great job. He put out a video saying what a great job he did.
[1:31] We didn't even prep the video. It is pretty amazing. I don't know if we could get that video prepped in the meantime, but that was pretty awesome.
[1:38] But yeah, but yeah, what was your take?
[1:41] Well, the game itself was like, you know, Spain's so methodical. They're so good.
[1:45] They're technically astute. They passed the ball so well.
[1:49] But when you have a game where it's like something like 23 shots to zero on goal and that literally Argentine did not have a chance until it was in extra time.
[2:00] And then it felt like if Argentina had won that game, I would have been really upset because they were just acting thuggish towards the end and they were trying to get to penalty kicks.
[2:08] By the end, I was excited that Spain had scored a goal. I was just excited about that.
[2:12] And I know this is going to sound like, you know, classic American bullshit, but whatever.
[2:16] It was pretty boring for the time being until they finally pulled it out at the very end.
[2:20] I would have been, again, we've been really upset if Argentina pulled out because they were playing very unethical football.
[2:27] Well, they're kind of the bad boys is what I've heard.
[2:30] Okay, they're the bad boys. But that wasn't the highlight of the game.
[2:33] Well, I have a question for you. What did you think of Donald Trump's performance on Spain's team?
[2:37] Well, that sounds like, you know, I was kind of getting it secondhand. It seems like he was in the game.
[2:41] Yeah. So the big, the big winner, the guy who scored the final goal was Donald Trump, which is why he was there to celebrate at the very end.
[2:50] Okay. So this was, this was kind of a highlight in a way.
[2:54] First Trump shows up at this event and he's sitting in the box and he loves going to these big sports events.
[3:00] And honestly, it's, you know, whatever. He likes sports. It's fine. I'm not going to get too worked up about it.
[3:06] It is a little odd. And I saw some commentary about it, that all this tragedies happening in the war in Iran and he and his family are just taking in the festivities.
[3:15] And, you know, you kind of harken back to the Bush era where, you know, Bush was kind of shamed into not golfing because of what was going on in the Iraq war.
[3:22] Trump has no hesitation about that type of stuff.
[3:25] And then when the game ends, he goes on the field. Let's start with the booing, which was, you know, it was tough to tell, but the, the pull report said it was pretty loud.
[3:34] Couldn't get good audio of it. And then we found this clip this morning where the audio is pretty definitive. Like he's getting really booed.
[3:43] I don't like him.
[3:53] Well, you know, he has gone out of his way to piss off basically all these countries, although Argentina.
[3:59] Well, he did save the Argentine economy. So hopefully they were a little nice, but the, but, but Spain certainly is,
[4:05] he has sort of picked a fight with as one of our great enemies.
[4:09] Sort of is like a kind of an understatement. He was like, at one point, he's just like, we're cutting off all trade with Spain.
[4:14] He's like, that's it that they're done. They're too lefty. But yeah, I mean, like, I don't think he cares that much.
[4:21] Well, he does care probably, but it is obvious that he's going to get booed in these events.
[4:26] This is, he's really gone out of his way to piss off the rest of the world and insult everybody, except for a few select countries who happens to not be that great at soccer.
[4:34] Like Belarus was not hanging out there and playing, you know, the Saudis weren't there.
[4:38] So it's not, it's not a particularly great venue for him.
[4:42] Also, this is the New Jersey, New York metropolitan area.
[4:46] So it's not great. Although I doubt like this is international flavor here.
[4:50] And then real, the really sort of insane stuff happens during the awards ceremony.
[4:55] So to set this up, Spain wins.
[4:57] They have this big awards ceremony.
[4:59] Obviously they're going to lift the golden, they're going to lift the world cup trophy.
[5:02] They're going to go crazy.
[5:04] They call Trump to the stage to present some medals for some reason.
[5:09] And they have FIFA president Infantino up there who's presenting some medals.
[5:13] Everyone's waiting in Donald Trump, just lingers and lingers and lingers.
[5:20] Let's watch.
[5:29] Get out of the shot.
[5:33] That's crazy.
[5:35] All right.
[5:36] So what'd you think of that?
[5:37] Well, yeah.
[5:38] So Gianni Infantino is kind of trying to pull him off.
[5:41] Trump kind of pats him.
[5:43] Like, I know we did a brother.
[5:44] You know, I'm happy too.
[5:46] Let's look time for our big picture.
[5:48] It was crazy.
[5:50] Prior to that video, Trump's going around and shaking all the hands.
[5:54] And the captain of the Spanish team is like, thank you.
[5:57] Thank you.
[5:58] And he kind of gently nudges him along to get to the side of the stage.
[6:02] And let's put up the video again.
[6:03] You don't have to play the sound.
[6:04] I just want to watch.
[6:04] I'm going to do a little like commentary as we play it, if we can do so.
[6:08] All right.
[6:08] So there's Trump.
[6:10] And pause it for a second.
[6:11] Pause it.
[6:12] Okay.
[6:13] Go back a little bit.
[6:15] Because Infantino comes in and he's like trying to get Trump off.
[6:18] And he's like wrapping his head around Trump's waist.
[6:20] He's like, come on.
[6:21] And Trump just kind of takes his right hand and goes, actually, you go.
[6:25] Meanwhile, all the Spanish players are just not even paying attention to this guy.
[6:29] They're waiting to celebrate.
[6:31] They've been waiting the entire time.
[6:33] Let's keep playing.
[6:34] And Trump just kind of like, no, stop.
[6:37] Look at his back.
[6:39] His back.
[6:40] He very much gets back in the frame.
[6:42] Yeah.
[6:46] And I just love him.
[6:47] I wish we could do close-ups because he's just sort of staring at the cameras.
[6:51] He knows all the cameras are right in front.
[6:53] But he's asymmetrical.
[6:55] His back is to the team.
[6:56] But his face is looking forward at the cameras.
[6:58] And he's got this little Cheshire cat grin.
[7:01] He's doing the little stinker smile.
[7:03] So obviously this is, so there's two explanations here.
[7:07] One is, and just keep this picture up.
[7:09] One is this is intentional.
[7:10] Like he knows and he wants to be in the shot.
[7:12] And I think there's history to suggest that.
[7:15] It was Copa America.
[7:16] He did the same exact thing last year.
[7:18] The other is that he's just confused and has nowhere to go.
[7:21] Where do you come down?
[7:22] You know, it's a good question.
[7:24] I'm a little sympathetic to Trump here because I know that.
[7:26] No.
[7:27] Well, no, I've been in situations.
[7:28] This is like one of my great nightmares is like, you know, when people are like,
[7:31] let's get together for a picture.
[7:32] And then I'll be like, well, it's a little weird for me to be in this picture with these
[7:35] people, but they seem to want me or something.
[7:37] And then they're kind of like, why don't you move a little to the side or something?
[7:40] You know, I've been in these situations.
[7:42] On the other hand, he has a whole staff dedicated to telling him like, okay, you're going to
[7:45] do this and then you're going to move out of the way.
[7:47] It's, I think he's doing it deliberately.
[7:49] Okay.
[7:50] Yeah.
[7:50] Obviously he's doing it deliberately well.
[7:52] There's questions on the MAGA internet about this.
[7:55] So by and far, the common refrain I've seen among these MAGA accounts is that the Spanish
[8:04] team was just so happy to have him there and they all shook his hand and they would just
[8:09] recognize the aura and how great he was.
[8:12] And they were, and this just shows that America is being respected again in the world stage.
[8:17] I've seen this in multiple Twitter accounts.
[8:19] And then if you read below on the replies, everyone's like, what the hell are you talking
[8:23] about?
[8:24] Like, clearly this was not the case.
[8:26] There was one account of, I don't know who this person is.
[8:31] Yeah.
[8:31] Let me set this up.
[8:32] So the, the, the, the Groyper accounts, however, were really like Trump will never recover from
[8:37] this.
[8:38] So let's pop one of these bad boys up.
[8:39] So this guy says Kaiser Rev.
[8:42] He's kind of like a Fuentes clipper.
[8:44] He says, bro, Trump will never recover from this crying rivers of tears emoji.
[8:50] And then there was another guy named a, a, a Suka Graper who said, um, you know, this
[8:56] is generational aura loss, essentially.
[8:58] So basically these are guys I'm assuming are probably in their twenties who are just
[9:02] like, this is so embarrassing.
[9:04] You know, I, I will say, you know, you think about if Joe Biden had done this, um, you know,
[9:08] I mean, this is very reminiscent of these Biden moments where he would kind of be like
[9:11] randomly in like another delegation.
[9:14] If there was like a diplomatic meeting or something like that.
[9:16] And Trump has had these instances where they're like, no, you got to sit over there,
[9:20] man, where you're not part of the South Korean team.
[9:22] And it, it, it, so he kind of gets, it finds himself in these situations.
[9:25] In this case, I agree with you that, that it was deliberate.
[9:28] So that's funny.
[9:29] You mentioned the Biden thing.
[9:30] I hadn't thought about the analogy, but the, the famous Biden Hollywood fundraiser, when
[9:33] he came back from that long trip overseas.
[9:36] And there's video of Obama kind of like trying to get him off the stage that Obama's Infantino
[9:41] in this case.
[9:43] And he's just sort of like, Hey, all right, we gotta go.
[9:45] We gotta go except in Biden's case.
[9:47] I don't think he was like trying to kind of get in the photos or anything like that.
[9:50] I think Biden was just sort of a little bit exhausted and tired and didn't know where
[9:54] to go.
[9:54] Trump was just trying to stay there.
[9:56] Um, if people were confused about whether Spain was excited or upset that Trump was crashing
[10:03] their photos, I think we got definitive evidence here.
[10:06] The Spanish team tweeted this following picture.
[10:11] You might Photoshop him.
[10:15] You, I mean, you look to the right and he's not there now.
[10:20] It's possible that this came like later when he had meandered off finally.
[10:26] But if you put up the, the, another photo, um, like right beforehand, all right, go, go back
[10:35] to the other one if we can.
[10:37] Yeah.
[10:37] So the Trump's in this one.
[10:39] Okay.
[10:39] And now he's gone.
[10:41] Now I think they Photoshopped him.
[10:44] It looks like the confetti is still in the air, which suggests to me that it was like
[10:49] pretty recent.
[10:50] Like, it's not like they just kind of hung out there for another minute and took the
[10:52] shot.
[10:52] So I think they Photoshopped him out.
[10:54] It's possible that they just waited until he was out of the frame or they took a shot
[10:58] of him out of the frame.
[10:59] But if we go back to the last one, just quickly one more time.
[11:03] He's very, I mean, he's so in the frame there.
[11:06] It's like absolutely in the frame there.
[11:09] He did eventually leave.
[11:10] I'll say.
[11:11] So it's possible that this is not a Photoshop and they're just having fun with it.
[11:15] Um, we do have the, um, cash Patel video.
[11:19] So cash, uh, is, let's just set this up a little bit.
[11:23] Another great insinuator with sports teams.
[11:26] Obviously he famously had the, uh, the incident with the Olympic hockey team.
[11:30] Yeah.
[11:30] Cash, cash went down to the locker room after the U S Olympic hockey team won gold.
[11:35] And he started chugging beers and being like, these are my boys.
[11:37] They want me here.
[11:39] And they might've actually, because cash is super into hockey.
[11:41] Um, cash is in a lot of heat, obviously, uh, for, you know, a whole host of things, excessive
[11:49] travel, things like that, hanging with this girl too much.
[11:52] Um, I've never seen an FBI director take a victory lap for like not having people killed,
[11:59] but this is no mass casualty events, baby.
[12:03] Yeah.
[12:03] He's like, but cash had a ready to go video.
[12:07] I mean, this was like, they didn't just crash on this thing, right?
[12:10] Like this came out like several hours after the world cup was done.
[12:14] So they clearly had this thing ready to go and they clearly were planning it out in
[12:18] case like the opportunity was there to do it.
[12:21] And there was, um, where literally cash gives himself, uh, an attaboy for, uh, doing
[12:28] his job.
[12:29] Let's watch the video.
[12:31] We put on the largest sporting event in the history of the world and everybody, including
[12:36] FIFA and the white house, it's the, it's the FBI, it's our inner agency partners, the
[12:40] DHS and state locals to everybody to figure out how to get six and a half million people
[12:44] into the U S and into these games without a single major security incident.
[12:50] We have lived up to that measure because you guys have put in the time.
[12:53] It's truly, truly incredible.
[12:55] Very casual.
[12:55] We just can't say enough about the preparation and the execution.
[12:58] It's been flawless.
[13:00] Wearing a, like a Lulu lemon hoodie.
[13:02] Yeah.
[13:02] Uh, that is the amount of narcissism to put out a video where you're in the center of it
[13:09] for like every frame, basically we put on, who's we, he didn't put on the sporting event.
[13:14] It's crazy.
[13:17] And I mean, it's not as though it's like, I obviously I'm sure it was a great undertaking,
[13:21] but also like all the other countries that have hosted the world cup in the past have
[13:25] managed to do this as did, you know, Mexico and Canada at this time.
[13:28] I mean, it's, it's very weird to be like, you know, cash has done the unthinkable.
[13:32] He had a world cup.
[13:34] Yeah.
[13:36] It just, or you don't have to take a victory lap for doing your job.
[13:39] There'd be like, if I, you know, got your newsletter out on time on Monday and I was
[13:45] just like, we did it.
[13:47] Just video of you telling me what to do.
[13:49] You in center frame.
[13:50] You know, we did it.
[13:51] It was unthinkable.
[13:52] Well, sometimes that can't be a bit of an undertaking, but yeah, that actually deserves
[13:57] its own hype video.
[13:58] I did the unthinkable.
[14:00] People said it couldn't be done, but will was edited and out by 6 PM on a Monday.
[14:04] Unbelievable.
[14:06] These guys, I mean, congrats.
[14:07] I was a great, I want to say it was a great world cup.
[14:09] I was super jazzed by a lot of it.
[14:12] I thought the final game kind of underwhelmed, but whatever that happens.
[14:15] And I'm glad it went off without, without any incident.
[14:19] I find the need to take a victory lap for that ridiculous.
[14:23] I found Trump kind of lingering on stage, totally ridiculous, but that's what you get
[14:27] with this administration.
[14:30] Yeah.
[14:30] I think, you know, I'm glad they, the government kept the focus on, you know, who really matters,
[14:34] Donald Trump and cash Patel.
[14:36] The golden boot goes to cash Patel.
[14:41] The only other thing from this is Baron Trump.
[14:44] I just want to put up this photo of Baron.
[14:45] Who's got a great, he is the, the tie.
[14:48] First of all, he's very tall, but he, he, he's decided to go full Donald with the long
[14:53] red tie.
[14:56] Is he having like a bruise on his head?
[14:58] No, I think he's just tall.
[15:00] No.
[15:00] Okay.
[15:00] Wait, yeah, I don't think he's, no, I don't think that's a bruise.
[15:04] He's got a long red tie folks.
[15:05] He's, he's becoming his, his, his father completely, but you know, five inches higher.
[15:10] Um, okay.
[15:11] Any final world cup memories that you want to, you want to talk about?
[15:13] Are you good?
[15:14] No, I, I, I loved every minute of it.
[15:17] Yeah.
[15:17] Right.
[15:17] Especially where you're grocery shopping.
[15:19] The part, the part I will always remember was when Donald Trump caused a diplomatic incident
[15:25] in an attempt to cheat in the games.
[15:26] And then we lost anyway.
[15:27] I will say there is a, on a different sporting event and this is not a sports podcast, obviously
[15:34] um, the British open golf tournament was this weekend too.
[15:37] And Bryson DeChambeau, who is the Trumpiest of all the golfers, he did a video with Trump
[15:42] during the campaign where they like competed in this little, uh, like, um, gimmicky thing
[15:47] that Bryson does.
[15:48] And anyways, he shows he's at the white house sports council and all that stuff.
[15:51] Bryson got in trouble over the weekend, uh, because he also clearly cheated.
[15:56] Uh, he was patting down the tall grass, the fescue to improve his backswing on a shot.
[16:01] And he was an assessed a two stroke penalty.
[16:03] Um, and instantaneously people were like, Oh my God, Trump's going to try to intervene
[16:09] and get the penalty revoked because they're buddies.
[16:12] And it looked, and there are some reports, I don't think it's been confirmed, honestly,
[16:15] but there were some reports that Bryson was trying to call Trump up to like have him call
[16:18] the British open officials to like get the penalty revoked.
[16:21] Uh, but it never materialized.
[16:23] So I guess Trump's like, there's an extent to how much Trump will involve himself in all
[16:27] these affairs.
[16:28] Uh, what do you think of the Trump sports curse?
[16:30] This idea that like, if Trump shows up, bad things happen for the host team, or in this
[16:34] case, I believe it was reported that he, he thought Argentina was going to win.
[16:37] Well, you know, we saw this happen, uh, with, uh, the Knicks, obviously.
[16:41] Um, I think it's probably true.
[16:43] I think he has one of, you know, it's like, I, I think it's fair to say he has kind of bad
[16:48] vibes that he brings around with him.
[16:50] And, uh, you know, I think it, it, it's a sort of hex that he puts on you.
[16:54] Um, yeah, I agree.
[16:56] All right.
[16:56] Well, let's move from the surreal to the serious.
[16:59] Um, the war in Iran, horrible, horrible weekend.
[17:02] Uh, we've lost, uh, several other service members.
[17:06] I think the counts up to 17.
[17:07] There's one missing.
[17:09] Um, the straight is completely closed.
[17:11] If maybe a dribble of buds getting through, uh, there was a tax this morning.
[17:15] Uh, there was no diplomatic off ramp.
[17:17] Uh, things are going horribly.
[17:19] Uh, and I talked about with Mark curling over the weekend, it just feels like there
[17:24] is, uh, a real escalatory problem ahead of us.
[17:28] Um, Trump seems to be like, ah, we're good.
[17:32] Don't worry.
[17:33] We're knocking the hell out of them.
[17:34] Everything's great.
[17:35] You know, I said four to six weeks, but now I'm at four to six months, but we're doing
[17:38] things differently.
[17:40] And Mac kind of is like waking up to the idea that this is not going particularly well, or
[17:48] like that Trump has been promising things that, um, aren't maybe necessarily coming to fruition.
[17:54] So let's put up this tweet from your boy, Matt Van Swal as well.
[17:58] Who is Matt Van Swal?
[17:59] Okay.
[17:59] Matt Van Swal.
[18:01] It's a really funny name.
[18:03] Um, he's a guy who lives in North Carolina and people may remember the, the big hurricane.
[18:07] I believe the big flood, uh, there a few years back and he got kind of, he was just like
[18:12] a guy on Twitter and he got kind of radicalized against Biden because FEMA was saying things
[18:17] like, no, you can't run like wildcat helicopter rescue missions.
[18:21] We have to figure out how we're going to use this airspace to get supplies in.
[18:24] And so that made him really turn against Biden.
[18:28] He became like this MAGA Twitter figure.
[18:29] And now he's an interesting guy because he reads as like, you know, I'm a normal guy.
[18:34] I'm like a common, a common sense kind of guy, but he gets pretty into conspiracy theories.
[18:39] Um, not in this case, but, but he, he's just kind of become a MAGA figure because of that.
[18:45] Um, yeah, this is a case where someone got a little taste of the MAGA internet and the
[18:50] dopamine that you get when you see your tweets take off.
[18:53] And then suddenly you're like, I need more of that.
[18:55] And you keep doing the whole routine over and over and over again.
[18:57] But in this case, he probably stepped a little bit too far off the path.
[19:01] He writes, I'm confused period.
[19:04] The USA has the most powerful military on earth.
[19:06] We've bombed the hell out of Iran for four months.
[19:09] Trump says their air force Navy and nearly all their missile capabilities are destroyed.
[19:13] Dot, dot, dot.
[19:14] So how is Iran still capable of hitting us bases right now?
[19:18] Question mark, question mark, question mark.
[19:20] So one of two things, one is he thinks some, there's like some conspiracy happening here,
[19:26] or is he like starting to question whether Trump maybe was full of shit?
[19:32] It's either one of those two.
[19:34] I think it's probably the latter.
[19:36] I think sometimes you have these cases where these like kind of mainline MAGA pundits are
[19:41] like, wait a minute, and then, you know, they kind of get whipped back in line.
[19:44] In this case, I think what we're seeing here is that there's, you know, before the MOU,
[19:50] there was kind of this divide in MAGA between people who were like really pro-Israel, like
[19:53] let's go max, let's send in ground troops.
[19:55] People like Laura Loomer, Mark Levin, let's do it as hard as we can.
[19:59] Then you had people who were like really anti-war, like Tucker Carlson, Marjorie Taylor Greene,
[20:02] Candace Owens.
[20:03] But then you had this big middle group of people who as, were kind of like, I guess if Trump
[20:08] says we're going to do a war, that's cool.
[20:10] But then as it dragged on and kind of became this quagmire and they start looking at the
[20:14] midterms, they're like, oh my gosh, yes, let's do the MOU.
[20:17] Let's just, I don't care what concessions we have to make.
[20:19] Let's just get this thing over with.
[20:20] Let's get it out of the headlines.
[20:21] Let's get, let's get gas prices down.
[20:24] And now you're seeing that middle group as the war kind of kicks back up again.
[20:28] They're saying, oh my gosh, we can't do this.
[20:31] Right.
[20:32] But they don't ever get to the point where they're like, Trump was full of it, right?
[20:37] Like he's not saying that he's just like, I'm confused.
[20:40] And he won't take the jump because if he take the jump, then you lose your cred in that community.
[20:46] And he's tied to the cred.
[20:48] He's not the only one too.
[20:49] This happened to other cases.
[20:51] Let's play with Maria Bartiroma first.
[20:53] CENTCOM says that there will be outsized action in retaliation, but I don't understand
[20:59] how it's possible that Iran has the capabilities to fight this way and continue to try to lash
[21:05] out at Gulf countries and U.S. military bases because the U.S. has obliterated Iran's military
[21:11] and the president continues to reiterate that.
[21:16] So close.
[21:17] We're so close.
[21:20] She almost gets it.
[21:22] Obviously, Iran is not obliterated, but also they're using drone technology, which is cheaper
[21:26] to produce.
[21:27] And our munitions are depleted because of what's happening.
[21:33] And so we have fewer interceptors to disrupt or intercept the Iranian drones.
[21:39] That's why what happened in Jordan over the weekend happened.
[21:42] She's so close to getting it.
[21:44] Unbelievably close.
[21:45] And I just wanted to get it.
[21:47] Then there's Joey Jones, also on Fox News.
[21:49] Let's play that.
[21:49] What we do understand very well is when two Americans are killed by an airstrike that most
[21:55] Americans sit around and say, how's that even possible?
[21:57] Don't we have defensive weapons?
[21:59] Didn't we take out their missiles?
[22:01] So when we talk in hyperbole and we talk in grand statements, sometimes reality hits us
[22:06] in the face and we lose two Americans in Jordan where most of us thought that wasn't really
[22:11] on the table anymore.
[22:13] Hmm.
[22:15] Good point, Joey.
[22:16] You know, this guy is a, to set him up, you know, he's like, as you can maybe tell from
[22:21] the accent, he's a very kind of straightforward MAGA guy.
[22:23] He's like, you know, I, we got to let Donald Trump go, you know, go wild on Iran typically.
[22:28] But in this case, even he is starting to say, well, wait a minute.
[22:31] I thought we destroyed these bases.
[22:35] So what's your take on like the kind of mood of MAGA on the war right now?
[22:39] Because it is not going well and it's, the MOU was a disaster.
[22:43] I mean, I, I'm a little, I said this to Mark Hurtling and maybe, you know, maybe you
[22:47] have a better sense of what's going on, uh, in that corner of the universe, but like
[22:51] that is a huge diplomatic failure.
[22:54] Okay.
[22:54] You spent a fair amount of time talking in Islamabad with these folks.
[22:59] You, you left it saying, this is a great agreement.
[23:01] We're going to end the war.
[23:03] This is ironclad.
[23:05] JD Vance was up there saying, you know, it was really amazing seeing how cool these
[23:09] Iranians are.
[23:10] They're actually moderate.
[23:11] And then it falls apart so spectacularly.
[23:15] There's more U S casualties.
[23:17] Price of gas is above $4.
[23:20] To me, that's a, that's an abject failure.
[23:23] And yet they're kind of skating around it as if like nothing happened as if like, oh
[23:27] yeah, we always knew we could be back in this place.
[23:30] Don't they get dinged for this?
[23:32] Do they get dinged for this?
[23:33] Do the people on the MAGA right who wanted the MOU not say, Hey, like what happened here?
[23:39] You know, it's a good question.
[23:40] I feel like there's this, there's this rationalization that happens in the MAGA movement
[23:43] where when Donald Trump wants to be really hawkish when he wants to, um, you know, have
[23:48] the Don Roe doctrine or what have you, they're like, all right, Trump, let's do it.
[23:52] Let, let's be an imperialist power.
[23:54] And then when it fails, they go, oh, who cares about the rest of the world?
[23:57] You know, we're pulling back anyway.
[23:59] And, and, and, and so they can say, you know, ah, whatever.
[24:01] Like, you know, we had this terrible MOU and now apparently even that isn't going to work
[24:05] and they go, ah, you know, who cares?
[24:07] Yeah.
[24:07] But they're not even pulling back.
[24:08] I mean, there was so, because they're, they're not, they're actually re-engaging militarily.
[24:13] And there was an anti-war faction in that, in that, in that part of the party who was
[24:17] inherently skeptical of the initial invasion of Iran.
[24:21] Now we're back in it.
[24:22] Uh, and you don't really hear as much from them anymore, right?
[24:24] Like I don't, maybe I'm missing it, but I don't really see Megyn Kelly going crazy or,
[24:28] or, you know, who are the other ones?
[24:30] You know, yeah, I mean, we'll have to see, right.
[24:32] Cause a lot of this kicked up over the weekend.
[24:33] And so, you know, the podcasters really have not weighed in yet.
[24:36] Uh, but I do think that I just feel like there's kind of like a war exhaustion in the party.
[24:41] And I think like, you can only make people ultimately, like, I don't think these people
[24:44] are going to start like denouncing Trump.
[24:46] I mean, Megyn Kelly might, but like the Sean Hannity is not going to come out and denounce
[24:49] Trump, but I think there's also this sense of like, you can only expect people to follow
[24:55] the Trump line on something so many times before they're just like, you know what,
[24:58] let's just talk about something else today.
[24:59] And then you start losing that kind of messaging power.
[25:02] It's war exhaustion.
[25:03] We're like, what, four or five months.
[25:06] That's not, that's nothing.
[25:07] That's nothing.
[25:08] This thing could go on for a lot longer.
[25:10] It feels like it does.
[25:11] I will say it does feel like everyone's just sort of like, I don't really want to talk
[25:14] about this anymore.
[25:15] I don't want to talk about it.
[25:17] I mean, Trump doesn't want to talk about it, right?
[25:19] Like he doesn't, he, he'd much rather talk about the save America act or voting fraud.
[25:23] And we'll get to that in a second, but I just, you know, the only people who are talking
[25:28] about it really are like MTG.
[25:30] Let's put up her tweet if we can.
[25:33] Cause she, so Hegseth puts out, you know, a, you know, a sort of classic Hegseth tweet
[25:39] on, on the news that two more service members had passed.
[25:43] He said, Godspeed heroes.
[25:44] Their sacrifice only stiffens our resolve.
[25:46] And she says, sacrifice.
[25:48] What the fuck are you talking about?
[25:50] They did not willingly sacrifice themselves.
[25:52] They were killed because of the war you Trump and the admin are waging on behalf of a foreign
[25:56] country, Israel.
[25:57] That's a little too far, I think, but that's my own personal opinion.
[26:01] You mean their deaths fuel your bloodlust for a senseless war?
[26:04] And she's literally like the only one out there who I, who I see still banging the drums
[26:09] on this stuff.
[26:10] Yeah.
[26:11] I mean, I, I think, you know, sometimes you have to hand it to her.
[26:14] I'm very reluctant to do it, but you know, the sacrifice, what the fuck are you talking
[26:17] about?
[26:18] I mean, that really sums it up.
[26:19] You have these situations where these troops are kind of like sitting ducks.
[26:22] They're just, I mean, we know in the, the, some of the prior casualty incidents, there
[26:25] were already security risks with the bases that were hit and they're kind of just sitting
[26:29] out there and, you know, there doesn't seem to be much of a plan to protect them.
[26:33] There doesn't seem to be a plan to resolve this war.
[26:35] I mean, I think, you know, to hit on your earlier point, if there were kind of, if there
[26:40] was progress in the war, if it was like, we're taking Carg Island, I mean, I don't want
[26:43] to give Trump any ideas here, but like if people had a sense of like, there was this
[26:46] campaign that was being waged, I think it would be more popular with the MAGA base.
[26:50] Instead, you have this thing we've all been dealing with where it's like, is there an
[26:54] MOU is the ceasefire on?
[26:56] Oh, there's a ceasefire.
[26:57] Iran's hitting the tankers.
[26:58] Still, it's very hard to keep track of.
[27:00] And I think that makes people kind of tune out.
[27:03] And Trump is all over the place too.
[27:04] I mean, he really, literally he's on stage with the Spanish fricking football team trying
[27:09] to log them and then he gives speeches on, you know, kind of goosed up election conspiracies
[27:15] and pushing for the save act.
[27:17] And he's talking about, you know, all this other shit that like has nothing of direct
[27:23] relevance to Iran.
[27:24] And so, yeah, it's like following a squirrel chasing acorns.
[27:31] It's nuttiness.
[27:33] He did give the speech and we'll talk about this now, I suppose, but gave that speech on
[27:37] all these election conspiracies and it was so easily and quickly debunked by their own
[27:42] documentation that they put out and then by John Solomon.
[27:46] So, first of all, talk a bit about Solomon.
[27:49] I don't know, we haven't talked about your piece on this, have we?
[27:52] No, we haven't.
[27:52] I haven't talked about this speech at all and I'm really excited.
[27:55] Okay.
[27:56] I'm going to cede the floor to you.
[27:57] You take as much time as you need because I want to pepper you with some solemn questions
[28:00] when you're done.
[28:02] Okay.
[28:02] So, obviously, on Thursday, Donald Trump gave his much hyped, I don't know, maybe
[28:07] much hyped to me personally, speech on how the 2020 election was stolen.
[28:12] And sort of the architect here is a guy who I think outside of the MAGA universe is not
[28:16] very well known, a guy named John Solomon, a guy who, you know, came from this traditional
[28:21] reporting background at the Washington Post and the AP, but sort of over the past decade
[28:25] has become sort of a twisted shadow of a real reporter, a cruel parody of our industry
[28:32] in that he presents as a normal reporter.
[28:37] He wears suits.
[28:38] He's very serious.
[28:38] He's not like the typical lunatics who come up with election fraud stuff.
[28:43] But on the other hand, his stuff is, and I should say, I also have a personal connection
[28:46] here because I was at the Hill when he was there and doing kind of a, getting his sea
[28:51] legs in this world.
[28:52] Um, and he kind of comes up with these things and he's like, I've got, I've got him dead
[28:56] to rights.
[28:57] You know, Hillary Clinton sold all our uranium.
[29:00] And then you look at it and it's like, what?
[29:01] I don't think that's true at all.
[29:03] Why, why is the story being hyped up so much?
[29:05] Um, and so last week I, I wrote a piece kind of running through his greatest hits.
[29:09] There it is.
[29:10] Yeah.
[29:10] I love this headline.
[29:11] Can this pseudo journalist destroy American democracy?
[29:14] That was really how I felt.
[29:16] Um, so uranium one, uh, which is the idea that was kind of like the real Russia scandal when
[29:22] the Mueller thing was kicking off, he was like, actually Hillary Clinton sold our stuff to
[29:25] our, our uranium to Russia.
[29:27] Not true.
[29:28] Um, the, his big shining moment really was like the Ukraine situation where he was linked
[29:34] up with all these kind of like pro Putin or otherwise shady Ukrainians.
[29:39] And they were kind of concocting schemes together at the Trump hotel at the BLT stake.
[29:44] They were called the BLT team.
[29:46] Um, this truly working on this story was like a real flashback to our days at the daily beast.
[29:50] It's all these characters, Dmitry Fertosh, Igor Fruman, and he was just like muck deep
[29:55] in this stuff.
[29:56] And then during the impeachment, so he was, he was the reporter who would often present
[29:59] these things and then he would go on Hannity.
[30:01] And this was kind of like the, the core of the Ukraine counter narrative.
[30:06] Um, but as it would come out, a lot of it was just totally wrong.
[30:09] His conflicts of interest were like mind boggling.
[30:12] Um, a lot of times he would quote this pair named Joe de Genova and Victoria Tonsing, these
[30:17] two lawyers, these like MAGA lawyers who were married, um, by the way, they were not only
[30:22] representing a lot of parties he was quoting or he would quote them, but they were also
[30:26] his personal lawyers.
[30:27] I mean, so it was like so crazy.
[30:31] Um, so yeah, I, I, uh, and then, oh, you're, you can't quote your personal lawyer.
[30:36] My favorite was when he gave him a draft of the piece.
[30:38] Yeah.
[30:38] He gave him a draft of the piece, another journalistic crime, not even getting into the, like,
[30:44] just straight up, like business ethics violations where he was like running the Hill TV network.
[30:49] And so like ProPublica had this story where it was like, he got some ad deal from some
[30:54] conservative, like grass, you know, quasi AstroTurf group.
[30:57] And then he would go into a Hill article and tell someone you should add a, like a, a laudatory
[31:02] quote from these people who just bought ads from us.
[31:04] I mean, like stuff that like, it's just crazy, but like the, yeah, he gets up to a lot of antics.
[31:11] So how did he end up at the white house?
[31:13] Right.
[31:13] So now he has his own website.
[31:15] The Hill had too much oversight, which I, I did not.
[31:18] I'll tell you what.
[31:20] They made you an editor.
[31:22] Well, that's, that was the most, in your comments on that story, you left a thing that was like,
[31:26] wait, you were an editor at the Hill.
[31:28] And I was like, I was, I was.
[31:30] So anyways, so he left the Hill kind of under this cloud of scrutiny.
[31:33] They had this review, all his mischief.
[31:36] Um, and so then he launched his own website where he could really call the shots called just
[31:40] the news, which, you know, let's take that lightly.
[31:43] And so ever since then, he's been like, he's a good guy to kind of launder.
[31:48] You give him, the administration will declassify documents.
[31:51] Oh my God.
[31:52] I can't believe that across my hurricane, the Russian investigators were so unfair to Trump.
[31:55] And he'll take it in like the most laudatory way for Trump or the, I would say often a
[32:00] very skewed way.
[32:02] Uh, and then, but cause he has this veneer of respectability, but that wasn't enough.
[32:06] So now he's had to become a white house employee.
[32:09] He's on the Elon Musk special government employee status where he's there for, I think 120 days.
[32:14] And he's in charge of this task force that is declassifying, supposedly digging up all
[32:19] the, the proof of misdeeds against Trump.
[32:21] But he's also still at just the news and he's very much not resigned from just the news.
[32:26] He did a video where he's like, I'm giving up my status as a special, or excuse me, as
[32:32] the editor in chief of just the news, but I'm still going to do my daily show.
[32:37] I'm still going to be on Steve Bannon all the time.
[32:40] I'm still writing articles for just the news.
[32:42] I saw this and I was like, why is he writing articles?
[32:44] So anyway, so the, the conflicts of interest are just like mind boggling here.
[32:48] And so he's a, just to be clear, he's a paid white house employee.
[32:52] Unpaid, unpaid according to him, I will say.
[32:54] But, but he is, he's a white house employee.
[32:57] Yeah.
[32:58] And so also reporting the news.
[33:01] So he's, he's declassifying stuff.
[33:03] And then a lot of that stuff then ends up on just the news, right?
[33:06] His website.
[33:07] And it's this like kind of Ouroboros of ethical conflicts.
[33:12] Like, and there is like, before we dive into the speech in that aspect, there's also kind
[33:16] of like a sort of more serious aspect here, which is his buddies, Joe, Joe DeGenova and
[33:21] Victoria Tonsing are now working on a grand jury in Florida under this thing called, and
[33:27] this is a concept that I think is important to understand that we haven't talked about
[33:30] here, the grand conspiracy.
[33:32] Now the grand conspiracy is this concept that essentially all anti-Trump activities taken
[33:38] by Justice Department, the CIA, and I say anti-Trump, things that did not redound to
[33:43] Trump's benefit, like investigating Russia ties, Ukraine stuff, all the way to the Jack
[33:48] Smith investigations.
[33:50] Jack Smith?
[33:51] Yeah.
[33:51] And so all of that was part of a grand conspiracy so that you can, you know, avoid statues of
[33:58] limitations.
[33:58] A lot of this stuff has run out.
[34:00] You can have a venue in Florida, ideally in Judge Eileen Cannon's district, because you
[34:04] can link it to the Mar-a-Lago raid.
[34:06] So it's all wrapped up.
[34:07] It's a crazy idea.
[34:08] But his old buddies from Ukraine, the BLT team, they are now investigating perceived Trump
[34:14] enemies.
[34:15] And so Donald Trump, or excuse me, John Solomon is declassifying files to kind of speed this
[34:19] grand jury along.
[34:19] To his own or ex-personal lawyers.
[34:23] All right.
[34:23] So Trump gives this big speech on Thursday night.
[34:26] It's not that big a speech.
[34:27] He hyped it up as a big speech.
[34:29] Well, I always, I have to say, every time there's a big revelation, I'm like, oh my God,
[34:32] they're really going to do it.
[34:33] Not that I think the election was stolen, but like, they'll really have like some credible
[34:38] thing they can hang their hat on and they never do it.
[34:41] You still feel that way?
[34:42] Even, you know, whenever it's like a James O'Keefe thing or this, I'm just like, oh my gosh,
[34:46] what will the revelation be?
[34:47] And then it's like, blah, blah, blah.
[34:49] Yeah.
[34:50] I feel like that's a little Lucy in the football for you.
[34:53] Anyways, they put out a couple, I don't know what you want to call them, revelations.
[34:59] Stinkers.
[35:00] Yeah.
[35:00] The one was that China actually did interfere, but they didn't.
[35:04] Uh, they obtained all these voter rolls, which they could do publicly that Venezuela hacked
[35:08] our voting machines, which they didn't, but they had the technology only hack them in
[35:11] their country.
[35:12] That non-citizens were voting in droves.
[35:14] The numbers they put out showed that they weren't.
[35:16] I mean, it was just sort of like one after another and even Solomon, you know, I don't think
[35:21] we have this clip of him and Vaughn Hilliard, but I wish we do.
[35:26] Maybe it's great physical comedy.
[35:28] Um, yeah.
[35:28] Why don't you talk for a little bit?
[35:30] I'll see if Matt can dig up the video clip.
[35:32] John Solomon faces two issues as sort of like his new kind of more obvious skullduggery.
[35:38] Number one is, I think he still has this, I don't want to say shred of ethics or like
[35:43] integrity, but he basically, I think struggles to flat out lie in the way that some other
[35:47] Trump officials do.
[35:49] I see that he's got this, um, it's not this innocence about him, but there is like a sort
[35:54] of, you know, I'm just a humble journalist and I don't want people to, he, he cares,
[35:59] put it this way.
[35:59] He cares enough that people in this industry think he's a journalist.
[36:04] I think that's right.
[36:05] Like, and, and so, you know, he's done these things that have been disproven, all this stuff,
[36:08] but he still has to act like, you know, he can't just like flat out lie, like, like the
[36:13] press secretary might, for example.
[36:15] Um, and, and so when you hit him with a question and I feel like he has this kind of like earnest
[36:19] sense of trying to find out what's going on.
[36:21] And so he'll just be like, well, we're trying to get to the bottom of that.
[36:24] Um, and, and so he also, the other challenge he's facing is he's constantly doing media
[36:28] appearances.
[36:29] And so, you know, in this case, this was kind of this thing before the, the, the, the speech,
[36:34] but he's also like always going on C Bannon show.
[36:36] And so he's kind of like jousting C Bannon will be like, you know, people in the white
[36:40] house say you're a crackpot, John.
[36:41] And he's like, I'm not a crackpot.
[36:43] You're the crackpots.
[36:44] So he's kind of generating this negative content.
[36:46] So yeah, let's play that.
[36:48] Before, before I play the video, I will say this because the video really gets to it, which
[36:52] is he is a white house employee, but he's presenting himself as a journalist hired by
[36:59] the white house to dig into documents by the white house.
[37:03] So he's like, I'm just looking around at all the documents.
[37:07] I didn't have access to all these documents in my capacity at just the news.
[37:12] Now I have all this access.
[37:13] I'm getting all these declassified docs.
[37:15] You guys should be grateful.
[37:16] It's all on the name of transparency, but I'm just just trying to discover things as
[37:20] if he's just sort of this impartial investigative reporter who happens to be given white house
[37:28] access.
[37:29] So then after the speech, when it just kind of fizzles, he's approached in the white house
[37:35] front yard and he's asked about this stuff by Vaughn Hilliard.
[37:40] And this is what happens.
[37:42] Did you acknowledge that there were no votes changed in 2020?
[37:46] All I can acknowledge is what the intelligence shows, right?
[37:48] I only know the intelligence community has zero evidence that someone has flipped, that
[37:52] a foreign power flipped a vote in 2020, 22 or 24.
[37:55] And you have no, you're able to acknowledge that Venezuela has not tampered with voting
[38:01] machines in the United States.
[38:02] No, the intelligence is very clear.
[38:06] They did it on their own machines.
[38:07] Why is it important that they did it on their machines?
[38:09] Their machine protocols are the same as America.
[38:11] So why?
[38:12] Because for a long time, they did exactly the same.
[38:13] Until the 2020 election was in fact.
[38:16] That's a former Breitbart guy grabbing him.
[38:19] I'm still researching.
[38:20] So let me, let me, I'm just the first.
[38:21] But there's no intelligence.
[38:23] You've been on this.
[38:25] There's no intelligence at the election.
[38:27] It would have said that Donald Trump was right on.
[38:29] The president said that's enough.
[38:30] Hey, John, you're burying yourself here.
[38:32] Get him out.
[38:34] The backwards walk and like, he's like trying to end it on a good note.
[38:38] It's so good.
[38:40] John, John, we got to get you out.
[38:42] So after this happened, everyone was jumping on Solomon for basically admitting that they had nothing.
[38:48] And he kind of like had a, not a meltdown, but he was going out.
[38:51] He was going off online.
[38:53] Yeah.
[38:53] Let's, let's take a look.
[38:54] Well, no, I don't know if we have that.
[38:55] I'm talking about, talk about us tweeting since then.
[38:58] Yeah.
[38:58] So, I mean, he, he's doing a lot of this, like, you fools.
[39:02] Can't you see the importance of this?
[39:04] Like they, they, you know, he's saying like, look, no vote totals were changed.
[39:08] I guess we're going to talk about Venezuelan machines.
[39:10] It has no relevance to us.
[39:11] And then you, you almost want Von Hilliard there to say, why the fuck are we here, man?
[39:15] Like, like, what is the point of this?
[39:17] Is this a presidential address?
[39:18] And then the, the part that also killed me is when he goes, we're still researching.
[39:21] We're still looking into this.
[39:22] And it's like, this is the biggest stage imaginable.
[39:26] It's the presidential address.
[39:27] Could you, could you wait a week?
[39:28] How much more time do you need?
[39:30] It's like, I'm sorry, just Trump had to go.
[39:33] I wasn't done looking through the dogs, but he really had to go.
[39:36] Anyways, as I was saying, he, Solomon's going off on Twitter on his critics since then.
[39:41] Among those that he criticized was Barry Weiss, if we can pull this up.
[39:44] Oh, yes.
[39:44] Yeah.
[39:45] Hey, Barry Weiss, when Biden admin announced China obtained 40 million of Great Britain's publicly available voter files,
[39:51] at CBS News, covered it seriously.
[39:54] But when DJT announced China got 240 million of American voter files, your team dismissed it like it was no big deal.
[40:00] Why?
[40:01] He then corrected himself to note that it was actually 220 million.
[40:04] It's not the point, really.
[40:05] But yeah, so he's having a mini meltdown, I think, on Twitter.
[40:08] At the point where you're complaining that Barry Weiss and CBS News are not giving you a fair shake.
[40:12] I mean, he actually, before the speech, he went on.
[40:14] Tony DeCupo interviewed him.
[40:15] And look, I mean, they didn't play like clown music or anything.
[40:18] I mean, they, I think, gave him as fair a shake, more than he deserves, to be frank.
[40:23] And the idea that now he's like, Barry Weiss, you know, you're part of the twisted MSM.
[40:28] It's crazy.
[40:29] Yeah, Tony started his broadcast by saying something like, frankly, we have to acknowledge that a lot of this is just not supported by evidence.
[40:36] So I think that that really got his goat.
[40:38] Okay, a couple more things we got to get to, and then we got to get out of here.
[40:42] The Tate brothers.
[40:43] What happened?
[40:44] Arrested.
[40:45] Arrested.
[40:46] Cuffed.
[40:46] Cuffed.
[40:47] Yes.
[40:48] So this is Andrew and Tristan Tate.
[40:49] They were in Florida for, I believe they were hosting a bare knuckle boxing match.
[40:54] Nice bunch of guys.
[40:56] Yes.
[40:56] And I mean, these guys, you know, they're the Trump administration, very close to them.
[40:59] We had officials intervening to, you know, get their devices back when they were seized, I think, last year in Florida.
[41:05] Ron DeSantis really wants, unfortunately for DeSantis, the Tate brothers can only exist in Florida in the United States because they are, it is the natural environment for them.
[41:14] But he doesn't want anything to do, and so they're like, well, we have to be in Florida.
[41:17] There's no other state that actually fits their aura.
[41:20] I mean, it's a perfect match.
[41:23] I feel like Arizona could be there.
[41:26] That's, you know, there's something crazy.
[41:28] Arizona, yeah.
[41:30] Vegas.
[41:31] Vegas, certainly.
[41:33] I think Vegas is a little upscale for those two.
[41:35] And so you have, you have them getting arrested in these just like comical Tate brothers outfits.
[41:42] Oh, my God.
[41:43] They're so bad.
[41:44] Basically, what this all relates to is, you know, obviously we know they're facing some charges or there's kind of a twisted legal history in Romania.
[41:52] They're also now in the UK.
[41:53] We've known for a while there were investigations into them.
[41:56] And now after this arrest, the UK came out and said, well, you know, this is, you know, these are some new charges of, you know, sexual assault and rape.
[42:07] And interestingly, you know, child or extreme pornography.
[42:12] And I think that's the first we've heard of that.
[42:15] Hopefully, you know, I don't know.
[42:16] Hopefully, these guys are up to their necks in, you know, webcam, you know, exploitation.
[42:24] And so, you know, we'll have to see what the exact situation is.
[42:30] The UK, frustratingly, has moved very slow here in terms of actually finding out what the situation is.
[42:35] Let me read what we have here on the details of the crime.
[42:37] It says the CPS, I believe that's the Crown Prosecution Service, has decided to prosecute Andrew Tate 39 with seven further counts of rape,
[42:47] three counts of arranging or facilitating trafficking for sexual exploitation, three counts of assault,
[42:54] occasioning actual bodily harm, and 19 additional charges for offenses relating to indecent images of a child and extreme pornography.
[43:03] The CPS has decided to prosecute Tristan Tate 38 with one count of sexual assault, two counts of rape,
[43:09] and three counts of arranging or facilitating trafficking for sexual exploitation.
[43:13] The offending is alleged to have taken place between July 2010 and August 2017.
[43:19] The suspects were arrested by the U.S. Marshal Service in the United States of America on July 18, 2026.
[43:26] Following the arrests in the U.S., prosecutors will be seeking extradition in relation to the original 21 charges
[43:32] and the further charges which we have decided to prosecute.
[43:36] So I think the interesting thing you shared is we cooperated with the extradition, right?
[43:41] Well, this is interesting, yes.
[43:43] And I think the Tate Brothers lawyer, a guy named Joseph McBride, who is a big deal with January 6th defendants,
[43:52] you know, he came out and said, you know, not only is this a travesty of justice,
[43:55] but this was approved by a low-level DOJ appointee, and we're going to – the Trump administration is going to look at this,
[44:01] and we're going to get this overturned.
[44:02] Now, how much does Trump want to intervene?
[44:05] I mean, you know, I would say these are pretty bad guys.
[44:07] I don't know if Trump wants to help them.
[44:08] Well, he's helped a lot of bad guys.
[44:10] So I – we'll have to see.
[44:11] You know, someone was looking at the Bureau of Prisons lockup list, and indeed, you know, the Tates are listed.
[44:18] So, I mean, they're currently in custody, but we'll have to see how this goes.
[44:20] There's a lot of, you know, people who have willingly associated with these brothers.
[44:27] We have a Trump envoy who – or Trump's special envoy, Paolo Zampoli.
[44:33] Don't know who the hell that is, but you might.
[44:36] There's this picture we have of Representative Wesley Hunt, if we can put that up.
[44:42] There he is, Wesley in his three-piece suit.
[44:45] Who on the MAGA right has also been willing to cozy up to these brothers?
[44:49] You know, Tucker Carlson had Andrew Tate on his show.
[44:54] Alina Habba had said that –
[44:57] Right.
[44:58] She was – and, like, what is worth always considering about the Tates is that they were not big deals, relatively, in the American right before their human trafficking charges in Romania.
[45:11] When they were arrested, I wrote – I wrote the first American story about it.
[45:15] And I had to kind of like –
[45:17] You're like fucking Kash Patel here.
[45:18] Actually, this – let's make a video around the rest.
[45:22] I was there.
[45:23] I said, take them away, boys.
[45:25] So the – but at the time, and the reason I bring this up is that I had to look and I was like, okay, they went to the Trump Hotel once.
[45:32] They were with mostly kind of other British influencers.
[45:35] There were, like, a couple kind of right-wing people they hung out with.
[45:38] But it was not like these guys were, like, just enormous MAGA figures.
[45:42] After the human trafficking stuff, that's when the American right really embraced them.
[45:45] And that is what I find truly disturbing because you might say – some of these people, it's like, oh, I didn't know they were such bad guys.
[45:50] I just took a picture with them at dinner, and now they've been charged.
[45:52] I want nothing to do with them.
[45:53] But actually, they've only gotten bigger.
[45:55] You know, again, Alina Habba, I think just last year, she said –
[45:59] Big fan.
[46:00] I'm a big fan of Andrew Tate and his work.
[46:03] Really?
[46:03] You know, and that was when she was up to be U.S. Attorney of New Jersey.
[46:07] You know, that's when – you know, these guys are, you know, facing a lot of criminal allegations.
[46:11] Yeah, these guys are no good.
[46:13] We have video of Habba.
[46:14] Let's play it.
[46:15] Hey.
[46:15] Hello, Alina.
[46:17] Hi.
[46:18] Nice to meet you.
[46:19] I'm a big fan.
[46:21] Well, nice to meet you.
[46:22] I'm a fan.
[46:22] You're the one saving Trump.
[46:23] You're doing more important work than me.
[46:25] America.
[46:26] America, not just Trump.
[46:27] And I agree with everything you just said.
[46:29] Benny Johnson just smirking.
[46:30] And I think that your anger is the same that President Trump has for our country.
[46:36] And the time is now for us to stop being wimps.
[46:40] I think that's exactly the right sentiment.
[46:42] And I also have to say that I sympathize with you because I think you go through a lot of the same –
[46:48] Oh, actually.
[46:49] Well, she didn't sympathize with them.
[46:50] I shouldn't have –
[46:51] That's crazy.
[46:51] I think – because I think she's about to say, like, you know, you went through the same lawfare, essentially, as Donald Trump.
[46:56] And it's like, really?
[46:57] I shouldn't have cut that off.
[46:58] Show me the person.
[47:00] I'll find the crime that President Trump has gone through.
[47:03] And –
[47:05] Yeah, there you go.
[47:07] I'm glad I rescued that last two seconds.
[47:09] Yeah.
[47:11] Having that – having uttered those words would not be – I would be a little bit ashamed at this point.
[47:17] But, yeah.
[47:18] Damn.
[47:19] So what happens to the Tates now?
[47:21] Do we know?
[47:21] Well, I mean, they're in custody.
[47:23] We'll have to see if there's a – you know, how the extradition goes.
[47:25] I feel like they could probably delay it a while.
[47:27] You know, what's –
[47:29] DeSantis has always been sort of skeptical of these brothers, right?
[47:34] I feel like that's –
[47:35] When they first touched down back in the U.S. last year, he, after the administration, the Trump administration, helped get the charges in Romania dropped.
[47:43] He was just like, you know, these guys have no place in Florida.
[47:47] I want them out of here.
[47:49] Sometimes you can smell something rotten.
[47:52] And it doesn't take a genius to figure it out.
[47:54] All right.
[47:54] Our last topic, sadly, of the day is your boy, Clavicular.
[47:59] I'm a little bit surprised he went on Hannity's podcast.
[48:04] Like, this doesn't seem like the type of audience that he wants to court.
[48:10] That said, if he wants to come on MAGA Mondays, I would absolutely take him in a second.
[48:15] We can have you and him just sort of look-smacks each other.
[48:18] But he's talking to Hannity.
[48:19] Ooh.
[48:20] Ooh.
[48:20] I wonder if he wears shorts to work.
[48:22] He famously –
[48:23] He does not wear shorts to work.
[48:25] He memorably, you know, vowed to mog me at the White House Correspondents' Dinner weekend.
[48:30] Oh, yeah.
[48:31] Right?
[48:31] And, you know, that –
[48:33] By the way, is that still happening?
[48:34] When is the White House Correspondents' – it's got to be soon, right?
[48:37] It's relatively soon.
[48:38] And so he vowed to mog me, and then he overdosed the night before, and so I won by default, and so he didn't make it up to D.C.
[48:46] So, you know, I'm not going to be available for a rematch, let's just say.
[48:50] The White House Correspondents' Dinner is technically rescheduled for this Friday.
[48:54] I had no idea.
[48:55] Oh, my God.
[48:55] Really?
[48:56] This Friday?
[48:57] Yeah, July 24th.
[48:58] That's what the AI overview of Google is telling me.
[49:02] Yeah, no.
[49:02] That is according to Politico.com, too.
[49:05] Rescheduled for July 24th.
[49:06] You know what's really great about this is that Trump just subpoenaed a bunch of New York Times reporters, so it should be really fun to have him up there giving him his kudos for being a good shepherd of the First Amendment.
[49:17] Excited for that.
[49:18] Are there going to be any parties?
[49:19] No.
[49:20] I hope not.
[49:22] My sense is it's a bit more of a subdued affair this time.
[49:25] Yeah, yeah.
[49:25] You would imagine after what happened last time.
[49:27] That's too bad, because I wanted you and Clavicular to have your meetup.
[49:31] He did go on Hannity's podcast, as I mentioned.
[49:34] We're going to play.
[49:35] Let's play the boring clip first, and then we'll do the fun clip second.
[49:38] Boring clip first.
[49:39] Over a million followers.
[49:43] Really followers.
[49:46] Can we pause it for a second?
[49:48] Is this slowed down or something?
[49:51] Yeah, are we at 0.75 speed?
[49:52] Can we start again with Hannity?
[49:53] Can we just follow?
[49:54] Can we start it at normal speed?
[49:57] Well over a million followers.
[50:00] Mm-hmm.
[50:01] Do you have a goal?
[50:03] What a question.
[50:04] Um, no.
[50:07] I'm just kind of taking this one step at a time, because it does feel good when you're doing
[50:13] your IRL streams.
[50:14] And so many people come up and say like, hey, thank you, man.
[50:16] Like, you really changed my life.
[50:17] Like, I lost, uh, you know, 60 pounds and, um, I, I, I did this and, you know, now I have
[50:24] a girlfriend.
[50:24] Now I feel better, uh, just every time I step outside.
[50:27] So it is rewarding in that sense.
[50:32] Clavicular should share some of his meth with Sean Hannity there.
[50:36] I think.
[50:37] Get him a little more energized.
[50:39] Do you think Sean Hannity is like.
[50:40] Hold on.
[50:40] I, wait a second.
[50:41] Can we put on the screen back up and just the part where it's just clavicular?
[50:45] Cause I want to, I, I'm like obsessed with the background for Hannity.
[50:49] Now we got to get back a little bit where we.
[50:50] Yeah.
[50:50] This is, so this is the Hannity podcast.
[50:53] Yes.
[50:53] I keep going.
[50:54] I want the, the wide shot of clavicular if we can.
[50:57] Yeah.
[50:57] There we go.
[50:57] Okay.
[50:58] What?
[50:58] It's like the most generic bullshit possible.
[51:01] Yeah.
[51:01] Let's put up an American flag.
[51:02] You know what we really need?
[51:04] We need a street light.
[51:06] We need a, we gotta get one of those.
[51:09] Oh, make it turn right.
[51:10] Cause this, just to be clear, this is.
[51:12] Oh, that's pretty good.
[51:13] That's pretty good.
[51:14] Honestly.
[51:14] And you know what?
[51:15] The dartboard just lying there and some pool sticks.
[51:18] It's like this place doesn't exist.
[51:21] This place doesn't.
[51:22] It's a hangout with Sean Hannity.
[51:24] All right.
[51:24] Sorry.
[51:24] Go ahead.
[51:26] Will.
[51:27] Oh, I was just going to say, yeah.
[51:29] I mean, I, that's very low effort or low energy Sean Hannity.
[51:32] And it struck me that like at the point where clavicular is like when I'm doing my IRL
[51:36] streams, you know, when I'm getting my super chats or whatever.
[51:39] And Sean Hannity is like, what am I doing?
[51:42] Yeah.
[51:43] Well, Hannity just seems like he's absolutely.
[51:45] Like on some prescription drugs that have made him tired.
[51:49] Uh, let's play the funnier one though.
[51:52] Cause this is great.
[51:52] What is looks maxing?
[51:55] So looks maxing is the most well-rounded form of self-improvement, just almost taking it
[52:02] to its logical conclusion.
[52:03] Um, so that's going to include just traditional bodybuilding and fitness style stuff as well,
[52:09] as well as, uh, a new focus on sort of facial aesthetics.
[52:13] Uh, and that's been missing from, uh, a lot of like the male red pill stuff and male self-improvement
[52:19] was emphasis on the face.
[52:21] Do you agree?
[52:27] Well, were you not red-pilled enough?
[52:29] The, um, have you seen that meme picture where it's like the, like the 12 year old sitting
[52:33] around a table or that they're just like, you know, debating Fortnite or something.
[52:36] That's how this feels where it's like, well, you know, the male red pill, uh, it had some
[52:40] obvious blind spots.
[52:41] Look, we all love Rolo Tomasi, you know, rattling off these red pill guys.
[52:44] And Hannity is like, yes, of course, of course.
[52:46] This is a breakthrough.
[52:49] First of all, his facial aesthetics is like him hammering his cheekbones.
[52:53] Yeah, it's a well-rounded.
[52:55] It's a, it's a reasonable approach.
[52:58] You know, the smoking, the meth, getting a nose job that busts up your nose that
[53:02] everyone hates all this stuff.
[53:04] Oh my God.
[53:05] He should have done a number on handy.
[53:06] He should have put handy through like a week court.
[53:08] This is what, uh, this would have been better content.
[53:10] If he was like, I will do your routine for a week.
[53:14] Just have at it.
[53:15] And I would have watched that.
[53:16] This seems really sort of low energy.
[53:18] They need to load.
[53:19] They need to up the tea level, go to the Pete Hegseth bootcamp and do more tea.
[53:23] Um, all right, before we go, we finally got the pictures of the tape brothers and the
[53:27] ridiculous garb unbelievable rest.
[53:32] I don't know which one's worse, honestly.
[53:35] Actually, I know which one's worse.
[53:36] So we got, yeah.
[53:37] So, so let, let, let's do the less worse ones.
[53:39] We got Tristan Tate, uh, you know, I guess he's shaving his head now, um, in like a
[53:44] very tight three piece suit.
[53:46] Uh, what do you make of this?
[53:48] Well, it's, it's Florida.
[53:50] It's July.
[53:52] Like there's no, why are you in a three piece suit?
[53:55] Like all black three piece suit?
[53:57] Like the, the, he's the, he's the classy brother.
[54:01] He's the, he's the one who's kind of like the dapper gentleman.
[54:05] Yeah, that looks just, uh, villainous almost in the stupid pocket square.
[54:10] I guess that's better than Andrew's look.
[54:12] Uh, but I would be deeply uncomfortable in a three piece suit in Florida in mid-July.
[54:18] So let's talk about Andrew.
[54:19] That's perfect to host a bare knuckle boxing match.
[54:21] Yeah, exactly.
[54:22] Yeah.
[54:22] So we've got Andrew.
[54:23] He's in a, uh, I guess I would say a purple blouse, uh, with down to, down, down.
[54:29] Is it a woman's blouse?
[54:30] Is it a woman's blouse?
[54:31] There were, people were digging up some pictures from the TJ Maxx catalog.
[54:35] Uh, but, but I, you know, that, so it's down to what?
[54:39] Like your, your clavicle, your clavicular, what have you.
[54:43] And, and he's got some chains on, um, but, but the striking thing, you know, he's got some
[54:48] black leather slippers.
[54:50] I don't know if these are called pumps.
[54:51] And then, uh, and then incredibly, incredibly, yeah.
[54:55] Tell me about the pants.
[54:57] They're clam diggers.
[54:58] That's what they're called.
[54:59] They're called clam diggers.
[55:00] Yeah.
[55:00] Yeah, you're supposed to get, when you go digging for clams, you don't want your bottom
[55:04] of your pants to get wet.
[55:05] So you get those clam digger pants, but it is, it's a ridiculous look.
[55:09] I mean, the blouse is so absurd.
[55:11] They also had, they had a third friend of theirs who wasn't arrested named Jay Waller,
[55:16] who's kind of like a, a non blood relation Tate brother.
[55:20] And he was in like, basically what Tristan's wearing, like a full suit, but like orange rayon.
[55:25] And so he was like comforting Andrew.
[55:27] And it's just like the, they're just like the, the guys who they dress like crap and
[55:32] they go around and cause mischief.
[55:33] Oh my God.
[55:35] All right.
[55:36] I got to end it there.
[55:37] This has been too much.
[55:39] Will, thank you so much.
[55:41] You want to give a little tease for you.
[55:42] You got coming tonight in the newsletter.
[55:44] Yeah.
[55:44] Let's just say this QAnon prison QAnoners are taking over a prison folks.
[55:49] Get ready for it.
[55:50] Yeah.
[55:51] It's not QAnoners going to prison or housed in a prison.
[55:55] They are taking over.
[55:56] They're running the prison.
[55:57] They're running the prison.
[55:59] It's not a functioning prison.
[56:00] They're just running it though.
[56:02] All right.
[56:03] Well, take care of buddy.
[56:04] For those who watched, I'm sorry.
[56:05] You should have gone to the comment section.
[56:07] I usually am better about that.
[56:09] Uh, it was just a lot to talk about.
[56:11] So I had to, uh, we had to just roll with it.
[56:13] Uh, but thank you for watching.
[56:14] Thank you as always for, uh, you know, paying attention to us on Mondays.
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