Trump FIRED Katie Zacharia 3 Days After INTENSE Press Briefing! Behavioral Analyst Reacts!

[0:00] and something president trump is delivering on just like he delivers on every promise in addition [0:07] to that we will be we will be do he has there is 54 billion dollars what's going on everyone [0:14] welcome to the behavioral arts my name is spidey and i use my degree in sociology and psychology [0:19] my certifications in criminal interrogation and body language analysis and my experience [0:23] as an award-winning mentalist to teach people behavioral analysis and practical psychology [0:28] on stages and television shows all over the world earlier this week president donald trump [0:32] announced the new white house press secretary katie zachariah her very first press conference [0:36] is making headlines with much of the public focusing on a few slip ups and visibly nervous [0:41] moments immediately following that first briefing a second unscripted interaction took place as she [0:46] was walking with the president to air force one things got interesting as reporters directly [0:51] questioned her about her law degree and legal credentials in today's video we're analyzing [0:56] both of those moments without sensationalizing focusing only on human behavior the thing that [1:01] i love about this analysis is that it's a great example of how we could spot accurate behavioral [1:06] tells even when someone is understandably quite nervous okay so there's been some major breaking [1:11] news on this case and i'm filming and adding this additional footage after the fact because there's [1:16] been some major updates regarding this story since i filmed but before i released the analysis [1:22] so i filmed my analysis on wednesdays or thursdays depending on the week this week it was a wednesday [1:28] then i edit on fridays and i post the video on saturdays sometimes in those few days between filming [1:35] and posting the story develops and i even said it in the analysis you're going to see it coming up [1:40] where i said for sure katie's story is going to develop and she's going to be asked a lot more follow-up [1:44] questions about this specific topic because that's just how the news works but i didn't imagine to what [1:50] extent the story was going to develop i don't think anybody could have so today on friday october 16th [1:56] it was announced that katie zachariah has lost her position as the white house press secretary [2:01] some sources are saying she was fired others are using lighter less certain terms so i'm throwing [2:06] in this extra cut in for context but i'm going to post the original analysis exactly as it was [2:11] before anyone knew how this story would develop you'll see moments where i call out certain likelihoods [2:16] that ended up coming to fruition before i could post the video and you'll even see a moment where [2:20] i say that she'll likely get more comfortable at that podium over the coming weeks as she gets more [2:25] used to the job but now we know that that will not happen i'll occasionally throw in some on-screen [2:30] texts to update you on things that have happened but here is the original analysis as filmed while [2:36] katie zachariah was still the white house press secretary good morning i am so honored to work for [2:53] president trump and the american people as the new white house press secretary i want to thank [3:01] president trump for his trust that he has placed in me i have wanted to work for him for a very [3:10] long time i'm looking forward to working with each of you as well especially as we are in the [3:18] middle of the midterm blitz with energy and excitement okay there's a lot going on right out the [3:25] gate i think i could do a whole analysis on just this portion where she walks out to the podium [3:30] and starts to speak to the audience not just as a behavioral analyst but as someone who spent my [3:34] entire career on stages in front of live audiences so whenever we see a live performer there's a really [3:40] great way to gauge how nervous they are as they're coming out and it's where their focus is going so [3:46] a seasoned or comfortable performer walks out onto the stage the audience is there and you see their [3:51] focus almost immediately go to the audience you see some acknowledgements maybe a wave a smile some [3:57] kind of social greeting as they go to the mic and begin whatever it is they're going to do however [4:02] a nervous or sometimes newer performer will be very focused on just getting to the right spot [4:08] and then we can address the audience they're very micro mission oriented so a good way to see that katie [4:13] is a little stressed here in her head is that the moment she walks out you notice there isn't really [4:17] a social acknowledgement she goes right to that podium her attention is focused to that podium she gets [4:22] in place then she starts to address the audience even in the way that she's addressing the press at [4:27] first we could tell that she's a little stressed because she's going to a likely default setting [4:32] because she starts with good morning in this kind of high pitch where she's dragging that last vowel [4:39] this is something that we often hear in casual social interactions when someone is trying to come [4:44] off as just sweet and non-threatening so something like how are things how are the kids and she's [4:50] probably used this before in maybe tense situations to kind of make things a little more light it served [4:55] her well so i think it's just coming out out of force of habit right here in the beginning and notice [5:00] what happens right at the end of that good morning as they're responding back and saying it back instead [5:05] of staying in this moment with them and maintaining that eye contact she looks right back down to her [5:10] notes which throughout this speech are going to be providing her with a sense of comfort she goes back to [5:14] them a lot also when we're feeling nervous things close in and something that we very often see [5:20] is neck guarding so somebody might protect their neck with their hand like this or with their chin [5:25] like this so looking down at that podium or those notes gives her a natural reason to be a little more [5:29] closed in with her body language like this when she's feeling a little guarded in the coming weeks [5:33] or months as she gets more comfortable doing these it's very likely that we'll see as she walks out [5:38] a quick social acknowledgement maybe making eye contact with somebody she knows in the room a quick [5:42] greeting as she goes over to that podium hello it's me from the future again and yeah now we know [5:48] that that's not going to happen we're not going to have a chance to see if she will ever get comfortable [5:52] at that podium and i just want to throw this clip in to say i don't want any of this analysis to seem [5:57] like i'm contributing to the picking on katie for how nervous she was at that podium i would imagine [6:02] it's quite nerve-wracking the first time somebody has to do that and yeah it's a big part of the job to [6:07] be able to handle this kind of immense pressure but who knows maybe in the coming weeks we would have [6:12] seen her relax a little bit more up there i don't think this is the main reason that she was asked [6:17] to step down as the white house press secretary it could contribute maybe they looked at and said [6:21] she's not cut out for this but i think a bigger part of it is the stuff we're going to discuss [6:26] a little bit later about her credentials and professional past i think that's the main issue so [6:32] the first line she says after good morning is i'm so honored to work for donald trump and the american [6:37] people as the new white house press secretary and for the first part of that sentence right up until [6:42] the end she's looking down and reading that from her notes which again is a sign of stress because [6:47] you would think that that first line i'm so honored to work for donald trump and the american people [6:52] is a natural sentiment that she feels and she'd be able to come out and just say that to the audience [6:57] and when you say it to them looking up it feels more authentic less scripted but in this case she's [7:02] looking down and i don't think it's necessarily because she needs to read it because it's a pretty [7:07] obvious statement to start with i think it's really helping her just kind of reduce that stress [7:12] and kind of ease into this whole new thing for her as she's saying the new white house press secretary [7:17] she does look up and smile but notice after that how quickly she looks straight back down to that place [7:23] of comfort and in her next sentence we can actually hear the stress in her voice because she says [7:29] i want to thank president trump and after thank and trump we hear this little exhale like she's [7:37] running out of air and then we hear a very deep breath in after the word trump i want to thank [7:42] president trump paying attention to somebody's breathing is a really great way to gauge how [7:48] stressed they are because when we're relaxed we take deep breaths into the stomach but as that tension [7:53] rises and we get more stressed that breathing moves up into the lungs and we often see it and we could [7:58] hear it because at the end we get those sharp exhales right at the end of a sentence and then we get [8:03] those deep breaths and here we're hearing it and we're seeing it in the shoulders as well right at the [8:08] end of that sentence we see a deep breath as those shoulders come up then she goes on with her sentence [8:12] i want to thank president trump for his trust that he has placed in me and notice what happens after she [8:17] finishes the sentence his trust that he has placed in me we see a smile while she's looking down for his trust [8:25] that he has placed in me now this is a smile that she's going to do very often throughout the speech [8:32] where after she's done a sentence while she's looking down we see a smile and it's very different [8:37] from what we're about to see next so she has a couple of different smiles in terms of timing and [8:42] aesthetics and we see one of them right away after that sentence because she says i have wanted to work [8:48] for him for a very long time so this one she smiles with the words very long time i have wanted to work [8:56] for him for a very long time and she's accentuating that very long with this smile and it's hitting on [9:04] the beats so let's imagine a scale where all the way on the left we have nervous smiles these are smiles [9:09] that we see in moments of tension to just kind of try to reduce that nervousness then in the middle we [9:15] have polite or social smiles which are these smiles that we do in social situations that don't really [9:21] represent immense joy and although on the right we have the real smile which is called a duchenne smile [9:27] it's named after the researcher who found the muscles that go into a real smile of joy and this involves [9:33] the eyes it involves the cheekbones everything lifts that's real joy so these smiles we're seeing [9:39] from her in the beginning are much more in this area starting with that first smile that she does after [9:44] she's done a sentence while she's looking down this is a nervous smile that's there to kind of try to [9:50] reduce the tension soften the situation and the reason we know that is that it's absolutely not [9:55] timed with a thought so if it was a real smile or even a polite smile it would be much closer [10:02] to the sentence that makes her happy so she would say i want to thank president trump for his trust that [10:07] he has placed in me that's where you would see the smile but in this case she's done with the sentence [10:12] then we see the smile so it's like i'm a little nervous here give me a second i'm working through [10:16] this on the next sentence i've wanted to work for him for a very long time now that smile is actually [10:22] timed with the words and she's looking up more as she's delivering it so we're moving up that scale a [10:28] little more and we're somewhere in the sort of polite social area not the overwhelming joy nor would [10:34] i expect it to be all the way here she's not at this big joyous event i'm sure there's a lot of [10:39] excitement here but there's also some stress but in that moment we're moving a little bit away from [10:44] that high tension because we have a little bit more social interaction in these moments but it [10:49] hasn't reached the rest of the face another clue is how fast they go away so you'll notice even with [10:54] the ones where she's talking to them she smiles and then boom it goes away as she goes to her next [10:59] sentence or looks down at her notes whereas with genuine emotions they kind of build up and slope down a [11:04] little bit more naturally to where if we have a smile as it fades it's a slow fade where we kind [11:09] of still see it there as the person's communicating and then eventually it might go away but it rarely [11:14] looks like a quick switch where we go from this to this or you know looking down and that smile is gone [11:19] the president also announced the department of war has officially selected cleveland ohio as the new home [11:27] for the u.s navy's submarine component repair center this massive 46 000 square foot facility [11:36] will manufacture repair and maintain key parts for virtually all new and existing submarines [11:45] this is historic all right a few quick things here that i'm sure a lot of you noticed this is a good [11:50] example of how most of this speech is going to go where she's looking down and reading a lot of what [11:55] she's saying now it's very interesting when that's going to shift we're going to see it later and it's [12:00] very rare for something to shift in that moment and quite fascinating with that said we again see [12:05] a smile here that is very much closer to that nervous smile rather than an actual joyous smile and it [12:12] comes after the president has also announced that the department of war and she looks up and flashes [12:17] this smile and then again she goes back to her notes and that smile fades away pretty quickly so [12:22] again one of the best ways to gauge how authentic an emotion is is how quickly it leaves the face [12:27] here it's very quick and it almost has this feeling of her saying remember to smile and she's trying [12:32] to hit that smile quota because department of war isn't necessarily something to smile about you know [12:38] maybe when she says a little later this massive 46 000 square foot maybe that's a place but this was [12:44] more of a just remember to smile okay let's go back to the notes we also see a very clear grooming [12:49] gesture there where her hand comes up and kind of strokes her hair and moves it away a little bit [12:52] so grooming gestures are anything where we fix our appearance a little bit and this indicates that [12:58] our focus has been turned inwards so we're just a little bit more self-aware we very often see this [13:03] before somebody starts to speak in this case we're seeing a washi speaking besides being a grooming [13:07] gesture this also falls into a category of gestures we call ventilating so when we're stressed heat rises [13:13] so we often see someone maybe trying to fan themselves like this but we also do see men sometimes [13:17] loosening their tie or adjusting the collar like this and for women with long hair we might see [13:22] them move their hair out of the way like this because it brings more air to the body and allows [13:26] us to regulate a little bit easier so this is not baseline for her she's not somebody who's constantly [13:31] playing with her hair so in this moment it indicates that there's a bit of that self-awareness [13:35] kicking in which is very understandable in a situation like this by the way this is a good point [13:40] to throw this in especially for those of you are new to the channel none of what i'm saying is me [13:44] attacking her or defending her i'm not saying what she's doing is right i'm not saying it's wrong i'm [13:48] saying it just is my job is to look at behaviors to try to figure out what someone is thinking or [13:54] feeling in front of audiences it's literally what i do for a living but it's analysis it's not judgment [14:00] this includes as much as 120 billion dollars to build a to build eight large scale nuclear power [14:07] plants something we've needed as the united states and something president trump promised on the campaign [14:12] trail and something president trump is delivering on just like he delivers on every promise in addition [14:21] to that we will be we will be doing yeah there is 54 billion dollars tied to the alaska lng pipeline [14:30] and terminal to service the pacific rim and sell fuel to our allies okay so that moment went viral and [14:38] it's a really good example of how when we take things out of context it might be a little misleading but [14:44] in this case there is genuinely something that i'm very curious about with the behavior so she's [14:49] talking about the power plants and she says something president trump promised on the campaign trail [14:55] and something president trump is delivering on and already in this first sentence we start seeing some [15:00] things like this is the longest stretch where she's looking up and talking to the audience as opposed [15:05] to reading from her notes and there's quite a bit of conviction here because she goes something [15:09] president trump is delivering on and as she says delivering on we see this head nod that's timed [15:15] well with delivering on so there's a good amount of confidence behind that and then she continues her [15:20] sentence just like he delivers on every promise and we see a rare illustrator so she's not someone in [15:26] this speech who's using a lot of illustrators these are the gestures that we make to accentuate the things [15:30] that we're saying but here we see the hand come up and do this kind of swipe now the research shows that this [15:36] kind of gesture which is called an oscillating gesture whether it's done once like this or like back and [15:41] forth like this usually relates to a negation so if you see some kind of sign in my non-verbal [15:46] communication where i'm turning away distancing and you see this kind of thing it's usually like a [15:51] refusal a no a stop something like that now the interesting and ironic thing about negation illustrators [15:57] is that sometimes they emphasize something and we're not negating the idea we're negating the idea [16:03] that anything would counter that let me give you an example let's say i come back from a restaurant and [16:08] i tell you everything was so delicious and there's these no gestures but it's not because i'm being [16:14] deceptive about that it's that there's no question about it or you might ask me hey would you want to go [16:20] to the movies tonight and i go i would love to go to the movies so it's like the no is like get it out of [16:24] your head that i wouldn't want to go i would absolutely want to go so even they're like [16:28] absolutely no question about it and in this case that's what we're seeing and i'm not just looking [16:33] at this isolated gesture i'm looking at everything that leads up to this moment because again this is [16:40] the longest stretch she did where she looked at the audience as she was talking we're seeing those [16:45] head bobs of conviction as she says something president trump is delivering on just like he delivers on [16:51] every promise now again please remember i'm not saying that that statement is true we could debate [16:57] probably for weeks whether that statement is objectively true what matters is what she thinks [17:02] and in the way that she's delivering that she's quite convinced of what she's saying here there's a [17:06] lot of confidence behind it compared to her baseline but immediately after that statement we see [17:12] something that's being shared a lot on social media and if we look at the rest of the interview we get [17:17] context but i'm still curious as to why it's happening here because after that statement just [17:23] like he delivers on every promise she looks down and it looks like more than a smile it looks like [17:28] she's actually laughing there and she's getting shifty and not only that but in her next sentence she has [17:34] a lot of what we call speech disfluency which is one of the best indicators that the cognitive load has increased [17:43] in addition to that we will be we will be doing yeah there's 54 billion dollars so when we're normally [17:50] communicating sometimes we might think of a word or kind of hesitate a little bit but when our cognitive [17:55] load increases a lot in other words what we're thinking about gets overwhelmed our language falls [18:01] apart and for her after that laughter she goes into in addition to that we would live with 34 it really [18:09] falls apart before she catches her rhythm again so that indicates that there's something going on [18:15] here that's making her language fall apart like this so let's think about this logically this [18:19] downwards big smile even a bit of a laughter after a sentence is baseline for her we've seen it numerous [18:26] times we even saw it earlier when she said that she wants to thank president trump for his trust that [18:31] he has placed in me after that sentence she kind of laughed to herself a little bit for his trust that [18:36] he has placed in me i have wanted so if we look at that just isolated here where we haven't seen the [18:43] rest of the speech and we look at it here it really looks like she's laughing at that thought that [18:48] president trump delivers on every promise and she's laughing but that laughter is sort of baseline she does [18:54] it elsewhere but we also have this kind of swaying and we have this speech disfluency something here is [19:01] preoccupying her thoughts or causing her stress and i don't know what that is but something is doing that [19:07] it's really interesting that it happened immediately after that statement about donald trump's campaign [19:13] promises it could be related to that it's a little presumptuous to say it's for sure related to that [19:18] because that segment was actually delivered quite confidently and then after that she fell apart so [19:24] is it related to that is it something else is it the fact that she had this really confident moment [19:29] and then when she kind of came off of that she went back to her notes and she was back into that [19:34] stress it's possible but an interrogation or interview what we would do is either in this [19:40] moment go oh what's so funny walk me through that because she's laughing right in an obvious way so [19:45] what what are you thinking about that you know i'd be curious to know or let it go talk about some [19:50] other stuff then come back to this topic and see if she gets overwhelmed again or stressed if it spikes [19:56] and then you can ask some more questions and dig into why this is happening this is a president [20:01] an administration that is looking out for you the american people and i'm thrilled to officially be [20:10] part of this incredible journey together and with that i will take your questions okay again here we [20:19] have one of those very social smiles and it's a really good example of it because we perfectly see [20:24] how the smile is not timed with the words so she's not saying this is an administration that is looking [20:30] out for you and i am thrilled like with that thrill like we saw before when she was talking about the [20:35] campaign promises she was hitting those gestures with those words here it's looking out for you and [20:42] i'm there's a bit of a smile thrilled and then after thrilled we get that pause and that smile so the [20:48] reason we know that these are not genuine illustrators is because with real illustrators you have one thought [20:54] in the back of your mind and you express that thought with your words and your gestures so it comes out at the [21:00] same time because it's the same thought the research shows that the gesture is either exactly timed [21:05] with the word or sometimes just a little bit before the word because it takes us an extra second [21:11] to find the right word but the research shows that it's very rare for that gesture to come [21:15] after the word because then it's more like an afterthought that i'm trying to throw on there as [21:20] punctuation so think about the difference between me saying that's really confusing so there the gesture [21:26] comes a little bit before because i'm thinking about how confusing that is versus that's really [21:31] confusing and in that case it's almost like i'm putting on this confused face to show you how [21:36] confusing this is to me it's more of a communication than a feeling and in this case it's the same [21:42] she goes administration that is looking out for you and i'm thrilled smile to be part of this journey [21:49] so it's very much i'm communicating this smile as opposed to feeling it i'm thrilled now we're going [21:54] to look at a shift in confidence that is extremely rare and is pretty much going the wrong way and [21:59] i'm going to talk about why i think we're seeing a lot of this nervousness and why it's shifting but [22:05] before we do do me a huge favor hit that subscribe button turn those notifications on and please take [22:09] a quick second to like this video because it really does help with the success of the channel here in [22:14] our new media seat we have nick gelbertson from breitbart hi katie uh welcome to the briefing room [22:20] and congrats on the new position one of the things that your predecessor caroline levick did is open [22:25] this room up to more voices not less at breitbart that's something our founder hinder breitbart certainly [22:32] believed in um and whether that's adding this new media seat adding new media voices to the pool okay [22:37] that's not the clip i want to focus on i just want to kind of set the stage because now she goes to the [22:42] press for questions and with the first one we see a lot of signs of grooming slash stress so we see her [22:50] again kind of adjusting her hair we talked about that a little bit earlier we see her licking the [22:55] lips which is a sign of stress and a sign of grooming because when we're stressed the lips dry out so [23:00] this corrects that but also brings color to the lips and makes us a little more presentable so we often [23:06] see that in clusters of grooming we also see her blink rate go up she starts blinking a little bit more [23:12] which is a good sign of stress or processing so this could very well be that she's trying to think [23:17] about the question here it's really hard to tell but we are seeing all these gestures that suggest [23:22] okay she's aware now attention's on me i'm a little stressed i have to answer these questions i have to [23:27] improvise here so we start to see stress in the beginning and you would think that we're going to [23:32] continue to see a lot of stress as she improvises these answers but take a look at this next question [23:39] now we will take peter ducey thanks katie nice to meet you um you're starting as white house press [23:46] secretary three weeks before a midterm cycle that president trump himself says will be very tough [23:52] for republicans is your job just to speak about white house matters or is it to make things less tough [24:00] for republicans in the midterms well but peter i get to do what i was doing on the outside already which [24:07] was hoping to amplify multiply and expand upon president trump's incredible agenda for the [24:14] american people and what i hope to do in this position is to take that into an official capacity [24:19] and only build on only amplify and only multiply to the extent possible all of the wins he's making for [24:26] americans for for americans to understand how much has changed in this brief period of time what he's [24:33] been able to accomplish my goal is to be able to communicate that in complete tandem with the [24:39] president as he is his own best spokesperson that is behaviorally night and day what a noticeable shift [24:46] and i know that a lot of you noticed it as well because we are seeing a very different version of her [24:50] here and the reason i said earlier that this is a rare shift is because she went from scripted to [24:57] non-scripted and got more comfortable in 98 of cases i made that statistic up but in most cases [25:03] and i would know because most of my career was in the live presentation field when somebody goes from [25:09] scripted to improvising stress increases because at least with the script you had a plan you had [25:15] something to say now you have to come up with answers and that's more stressful but in this case [25:21] really look at her behaviors it's night and day first of all her pitch has lowered whereas before [25:27] she was in a higher pitch and she was dragging those vowels good morning now we're in this very [25:32] calm lower pitch deeper breaths we're not seeing a run out of breath in this segment her illustrators [25:38] are confident and on point you'll notice those hand gestures are coming to life and they're synced [25:44] with what she's saying and she often even goes into a steeple like this which is a highly researched [25:49] gesture and is a very good sign of confidence or being in control we often see this with ceos or [25:56] people who are in a position of power during a meeting the fingers come together like this in the [26:00] beginning as she's listening to the question and even when she starts speaking we see a smile that [26:05] again is not the epitome of joy but on that scale that we're talking about is much closer to this [26:11] kind of social and maybe a little bit more beyond because now the upper face is involved a little [26:17] we're seeing some rising here we're seeing a gentle squinting of the eyes which we weren't seeing [26:21] before with those more nervous smiles now i have a couple of theories as to why she's more comfortable [26:26] with this segment where she has to improvise answers the first is that just based on her experience [26:33] she's naturally more comfortable at not having the script and just speaking candidly that could be [26:39] causing her to just be a bit more relaxed here but we get a few more clues first of all for this question [26:45] where she's the most confident we've seen her in this entire press conference the questions [26:49] were coming from peter doocy now peter doocy works with fox news katie zachariah has a lot of friends [26:56] at fox news she's appeared on the show numerous times this could explain that sort of confidence with [27:01] the answer it's also a question that you could tell in the way she's answering she's quite confident [27:06] and comfortable talking about because he follows up with another question that she's not so comfortable [27:12] with and we don't see stress spike she handles it pretty well where she pretty quickly shuts it [27:17] down confidently and moves on to someone else and that's the third and most important clue as to [27:23] why i think she's very comfortable take a look i want to ask you a policy question has the us stopped [27:29] so look at what happened there the behaviors are a massive clue look at the way she chose the reporter for the next question [27:52] very often we see in these events where the person looks around they know the reporters and they go [27:58] yeah you and they say the name of the person that they just identified who's going oh i have a question [28:04] in this case she said alina shirazi before she even located alina shirazi and not only that she looked [28:11] at a piece of paper that has a list and reiterated yes alina shirazi and looked for her and then found [28:18] her so we're getting a very clear indication here that she has some sort of list and this might be a list of [28:23] reporters that she was told you know it's her first day here are the reporters you could go to whether [28:29] it's because you know we know they're going to be nice or we already know what questions they want to [28:33] ask and i think you'll handle them well whatever the arrangement is she has a list and she's reading [28:39] off the name and then finding the person she didn't know where alina shirazi was so it seems like they [28:44] really set this up in a way where she's going to be talking about topics that she's comfortable with [28:49] or to people that she's comfortable around whereas with the script earlier there was a lot of data [28:54] she had to give maybe some topics that she had to report on because it was important but she's not [28:59] that familiar with so maybe we're getting a lot of stress but here with the q a she's more comfortable [29:04] talking about these topics and with these people so we're seeing the behavior shift towards comfort [29:10] massively okay now i want to look at this moment that's been going viral of her being asked about [29:14] her bar exam while she was walking with the president towards air force one take a look [29:40] oh man so she's wearing sunglasses so we can't really see her eyes or eyebrows [29:45] so we can't do much with the facial expressions also our body language is pretty stiff to begin [29:50] with so you know that baseline shift isn't really there but just with statement analysis we could do [29:56] a lot with this so in interrogations whenever we ask a question we always ask ourselves did what they [30:02] responded answer my question and did it answer my entire question and when you get a non-answer to [30:08] this degree it's time to start asking a lot more questions so to be clear on what's happening here [30:14] when donald trump announced on social media that katie zachariah was going to be the new press secretary [30:20] he used the word attorney in that post so we have some reporters here asking you said she was an [30:27] attorney where did she pass the bar because there's a difference between the term lawyer and attorney if [30:33] you have a law degree you could call yourself a lawyer but you need to pass the bar exam to use the word [30:39] attorney so he doesn't know the answer he turns to her for her to answer and she says when i moved to [30:45] china now they keep asking and the loudest voice we hear asks the same question but it looks like [30:52] she's kind of looking off to the side so maybe that second part of the question is answering a [30:57] different question i'm not really sure because they ask again you know where did you pass the bar and [31:02] she goes i moved to china which in no way has anything to do with where did you pass the bar i mean [31:08] unless she's saying that she passed the bar in china which doesn't make a whole lot of sense because [31:13] she would elaborate on that she would say you know i never passed the bar in the united states i passed [31:17] it in china so this kind of seems like a dodge and on top of the fact that she's not answering the [31:23] question she's really not elaborating and she knows that she's not giving the answer to the question [31:28] so in an interview or interrogation when we see this kind of not answer with no elaboration that's a [31:34] huge red flag that there's something more here that we have to ask about does it immediately mean [31:40] that she's lying about everything that she's never been to law school it's all made up no we don't [31:44] jump to those massive conclusions we just know we have to pry a little bit more here now i know how [31:50] the news cycle works and i know that in the next days or weeks a lot of the reporters are going to latch [31:55] onto this and ask her a lot more questions and there is some time between when i film my videos and i release [32:00] them so even in the days while i'm editing this more news might come out but at the time that i'm [32:06] filming this i found an article in the guardian that references an interview that she did with [32:11] the new york times and although she did not specify whether or not she's passed the bar [32:16] she did say that she spoke to the president of pepperdine university where it has been confirmed that [32:22] she did get a law degree but in speaking to the president she was told that she should stay away from [32:28] using the term attorney and she can use the term lawyer and that's what she tries to stick to [32:34] so that's a pretty clear indication that the distinction is she does have a law degree but [32:39] she never took the bar or she took the bar and didn't pass the bar maybe that could explain why [32:44] she doesn't want to get into it really because she knows all the heat that she would take but it's [32:48] something along those lines again the answer to that question is going to be available very soon [32:53] if not already out there but what a great example of how when you ask a question you pay [32:58] attention to whether or not it's being answered and when it's not and you see a couple of other [33:03] signs of stress it's a good indication this is somewhere i have to dig we don't jump to conclusions [33:08] we just know there's something more here that's how analysis works this was a really really good [33:13] one for behavioral analysis because we saw such a rare shift where we went from stress to comfort [33:20] as we went into more improvised answers and it was such a great shift to see and such a clear [33:26] example of how you could see that difference in behavior and then we saw an answer that didn't [33:31] have a massive cluster of stressful behaviors but because that non-answer was so significant you just [33:36] know that there's something going on here and if she just answered the question directly from day one [33:42] and just said no i never passed the bar but i do have a law degree i think it would have been much [33:47] less of a big deal i think it's this whole kind of dodginess that makes people go hold on something's [33:51] going on here rightfully so okay so there it was i wanted to change as little as possible but i'm [33:56] filming a new conclusion right at the end to throw in a couple of the things that we know now it seems [34:01] to me that it's not necessarily a big deal that the white house press secretary doesn't have a law [34:06] degree or didn't pass the bar exam i don't think that that's a requirement for the job but i think that [34:12] these answers and these questions that she was kind of being dodgy about probably led some people to [34:17] look more into what she was doing what was she doing working in china in this field i think [34:21] there's going to be a lot of questions about that why was there such a misunderstanding about [34:25] her credentials did she contribute to those misunderstandings so i think as they looked [34:29] into this they saw a lot of issues plus all that stress that we saw at the podium didn't help so i [34:35] think that's why we are where we are now there's for sure going to be more developments as the press [34:39] looks into this more her past her future at the white house still a lot of question marks there [34:44] but let me know in the comments what you thought of all this what did you think of those developments [34:48] that happened in the few days did it change your perception of the original analysis or do you feel [34:53] like a lot of the things that ended up happening was things that we could have foreseen in the [34:57] behaviors originally let me know in the comments and i will see you on the next one