Patrick Clancy Takes the Stand — Full Testimony — MA v. Lindsay Clancy

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: all right good morning sir I'm gonna ask you to speak into that microphone you can be seated if [00:00:26] Speaker 2: you like it be more comfortable okay I come up please morning can you please state and spell [00:00:33] Patrick Clancy: your name for the record yeah my name is Patrick Clancy it's p-a-t-r-i-c-k-c-l-a-n-c-y and what is your date of birth June 15th 1988 what city do you live in now New York and what do you do for a [00:00:48] Speaker 2: living I work in tech how long have you worked in tech 14 years and were you previously married to a person named Lindsay Clancy yes and you're divorced now is that correct correct do you see that person in the courtroom today yes could you point to them and describe something they're wearing [00:01:10] Speaker 4: she's wearing a shirt record reflect the identification the defendant thank you where did you meet the [00:01:19] Patrick Clancy: defendant in South Boston and when was that I think it was May 2013 and how did you meet her through my [00:01:33] Speaker 2: cousin and would it be accurate to state that your cousin had been college roommates of the defendant yes and at some point in time did you start dating yes and around what time was that July 2013 did you eventually move in together yes do you remember when that was September 2015 and where did you live in Quincy how long did you live in Quincy one year and where did you go after that we bought a house in Weymouth and how long did you live in Weymouth two years did you eventually get married yes and when was that December 2016 and was that while you were living in Weymouth yes did you have your first child when you were living in Weymouth yes and what was her name Cora and what [00:02:35] Patrick Clancy: was her date of birth December 24 2017 [00:02:44] Speaker 2: prior to getting married did the defendant ever tell you she had taken psychiatric medication while in nursing school not that I recall after having Cora did the three of you move somewhere else yeah we moved to Duxbury and what was your address in Duxbury 47 summer street and do you recall when you moved there I believe it was July 2018 [00:03:11] Patrick Clancy: and where were you working at that time I was working for a startup called automation anywhere at some point in time did you start working for Microsoft [00:03:23] Speaker 2: yes and when was that may 2020 and when you work for Microsoft did you go to an office or did you work from home I work from home and from was that from 2020 onward that you worked from home no I started working from home in 2018 2018 okay so from 2018 up until let's say 2023 you were working from home is that correct yes and did you have an office in your home which you worked out of eventually yeah and where was that located in the basement and was that a finished basement yes going back to after Cora was born I think there was a lot of tearing and she bled a lot did it take her a while to recover physically I would say so yeah [00:04:20] Patrick Clancy: did she have maternity leave at that time yes where was she working [00:04:28] Speaker 2: Mass General Hospital and what was she doing there she's a labor and delivery nurse at that point in time when she had Cora in 2017 how long had she been a nurse uh three years maybe and um how do you recall how long her maternity leave was with Cora how do you recall how long her maternity leave was with Cora [00:05:07] Patrick Clancy: that was the shortest of the three I want to say it was 10 or 11 weeks [00:05:12] Speaker 2: and did you have paternity leave at that time [00:05:16] Patrick Clancy: yeah I had two weeks [00:05:18] Speaker 2: when you went back after the two weeks back to work in the home um were there any issues that you noticed the defendant having [00:05:32] Patrick Clancy: yeah I'm sorry I just want to correct an earlier statement I was working for Pegasystems that when Cora was born [00:05:38] Speaker 2: okay and then eventually you worked for Microsoft yeah okay and so after the two weeks of your paternity leave the defendant was still on maternity leave correct [00:05:48] Patrick Clancy: yes [00:05:49] Speaker 2: okay and um did she have to take any psychiatric medications at that time [00:05:53] Patrick Clancy: not that I know of um she had a lot of anxiety but [00:05:59] Speaker 2: okay so um you're saying that she had some anxiety at that time is that correct [00:06:03] Speaker ?: yeah [00:06:03] Speaker 2: how did that manifest or how did you know that [00:06:05] Patrick Clancy: um she just really struggled with the date of going back to work so [00:06:11] Speaker 2: so immediately after having Cora as she healed physically um what was her mood like when you're both on leave [00:06:21] Patrick Clancy: it was great it was good good okay I mean relatively yeah [00:06:25] Speaker 2: and so did the anxiety start as it became closer in time to when she had to go back to work [00:06:31] Patrick Clancy: yes [00:06:32] Speaker 2: how many shifts was she working at that time [00:06:35] Patrick Clancy: uh before Cora was born she was working at least 40 hours maybe more um after she went back to work it was I think initially just one [00:06:49] Speaker 2: one shift [00:06:51] Patrick Clancy: yeah [00:06:51] Speaker 2: and um was that a 12 hour shift [00:06:54] Patrick Clancy: it was per diem and then she eventually did two shifts okay I think it was 20 weeks [00:06:59] Speaker 2: after 20 weeks she moved to two shifts [00:07:03] Patrick Clancy: I'm sorry I uh it was uh 20 hours a week [00:07:07] Speaker 2: 20 hours a week okay um and so from the time um she worked her way back up to 20 hours a week at work until she had your next child did it remain that 20 hours per week that she worked [00:07:20] Patrick Clancy: pretty much yeah [00:07:21] Speaker ?: okay [00:07:21] Speaker 2: and did you have any assistance in the home during that time after she went back to work a nanny or a babysitter [00:07:30] Patrick Clancy: yeah we had babysitters we had a um a babysitter who came probably 12 hours a week [00:07:38] Speaker 2: and did that typically happen um after your wife had a shift that the nanny or the babysitter would be there [00:07:45] Patrick Clancy: yeah so she could sleep [00:07:47] Speaker 2: did the defendant work overnights [00:07:49] Patrick Clancy: yeah [00:07:50] Speaker 2: and how long did you have um that nanny or babysitter for [00:07:57] Patrick Clancy: uh several years [00:08:00] Speaker 2: do you remember her name [00:08:01] Patrick Clancy: we called her miss jen [00:08:03] Speaker 2: miss jen do you remember her last name [00:08:05] Patrick Clancy: shanahan [00:08:07] Speaker 2: and then you had a second child is that correct [00:08:11] Patrick Clancy: yes [00:08:12] Speaker 2: and what was their name [00:08:13] Patrick Clancy: dawson [00:08:14] Speaker 2: and what was dawson's date of birth [00:08:16] Patrick Clancy: september 30th 2019 [00:08:19] Speaker 2: and um was um miss jen still helping out in the home at that time [00:08:25] Patrick Clancy: yeah [00:08:25] Speaker 2: and what was dawson's delivery like [00:08:29] Patrick Clancy: um pretty traumatic how so he was um in a uh i think a breach position so um he came out in a i guess i don't know much about it but not an ideal way and um it caused uh just significant bruising and tearing [00:08:49] Speaker 2: so again did the defendant with this second pregnancy have um some pain and difficulty physically healing from the birth [00:08:58] Patrick Clancy: yeah much more so than cora okay [00:09:00] Speaker 2: and was she on maternity leave at that time [00:09:04] Patrick Clancy: yes [00:09:05] Speaker 2: how many weeks leave did she have at that time [00:09:08] Patrick Clancy: i don't recall i don't recall but i i think it was more than the you know traditional 12 i want to say it was 13 or 14 maybe more page 13 [00:09:26] Speaker 2: if i may approach [00:09:42] Speaker 5: you may you don't have to keep telling me the pages that's okay [00:09:46] Speaker 2: i could have you look at page 13 and just um read to yourselves on 6 through 10 and then just look up when you're finished and then just look up when you're finished [00:10:01] Speaker ?: and then just look up when you're finished and then just look up when you're finished and then just look up when you're finished and then just look up when you're finished and then just look up when you're finished and then just look up when you're finished and then just look up when you're finished and then just look up when you're finished [00:10:08] Speaker 2: and then just look up when you're finished and then just look up when you're finished how much maternity leave uh the defendant had after dawson's birth yeah and what was it 18 18 weeks mm-hmm that correct [00:10:19] Patrick Clancy: i believe so [00:10:20] Speaker ?: okay [00:10:21] Speaker 2: and you know after dealing with the physical pain of birth and and starting to heal um how was her demeanor and um experience during that that maternity leave [00:10:35] Patrick Clancy: um i think it was fine at first um it was always when she had to go back to work that's when she struggled so [00:10:45] Speaker 2: so that was a pattern that you saw after the baby maternity leave was good and then she'd struggle going back to work [00:10:52] Patrick Clancy: she just had a really hard time being separated from them okay [00:10:56] Speaker 2: what was the plan for how many shifts she would work or how many hours she would work after dawson was born [00:11:04] Patrick Clancy: i believe it was the same thing [00:11:07] Speaker ?: okay [00:11:08] Speaker 2: and in terms of um miss shanahan the babysitter um you had mentioned before that she was there about 12 hours a week did that stay consistent after dawson's birth or was it more or less [00:11:23] Patrick Clancy: probably consistent [00:11:25] Speaker 2: after dawson's birth are you did the defendant ever tell you whether she was on any psychiatric medication after dawson's birth [00:11:38] Patrick Clancy: no [00:11:39] Speaker 2: did she seek treatment um or tell you she sought treatment after dawson's birth [00:11:45] Patrick Clancy: yeah she um got a therapist for a short period of time but it didn't didn't last very long [00:11:51] Speaker 2: did she tell you that at the time or later at the time okay and did she have any psychiatric hospitalizations or commitments at that time no what about after corps birth any psychiatric hospitalizations or treatments no no was there a time after dawson's birth where um she wanted to declutter your garage um maybe at some point okay and did you assist her with that yeah and um how was that done [00:12:28] Patrick Clancy: uh we had a lot of stuff to throw away and i think we sold some stuff on facebook marketplace we just had a lot of stuff [00:12:37] Speaker 2: so did the two of you go through the items in the garage and order organize it into what you would keep what you would throw away and what you would sell yes okay and so it was very organized i would say so yeah [00:12:51] Speaker ?: okay [00:12:53] Speaker 2: and you finished the project is that correct it was always ongoing now um eventually you had your third child correct yeah and what was what was their name callin and what was his date of birth [00:13:11] Patrick Clancy: may 26th um 2022 [00:13:16] Speaker 2: can you describe um that delivery for us [00:13:20] Patrick Clancy: uh it was great from what i could tell it was relatively quick it was during the day um we were both smiling after and um i don't think there is as much physical trauma [00:13:37] Speaker 2: nothing compared to what happened with core or dawson is that correct correct um did did the defendant have maternity leave after callin's birth yeah and how long was that leave she never went back how long was it planned for initially i want to say 18 weeks and were you on paternity leave as well yes and how long was your paternity leave 12 weeks so with callin being born on may 26 2022 um the two of you were home with the children that summer on leave is that correct yeah what was family like family life like during that time period those summer months [00:14:28] Patrick Clancy: it was great we had a lot of time off um i was able to spend a lot of time with uh i spent a lot of time with core and dawson so i would i would take them around you know the playgrounds and birthday parties and stuff like [00:14:43] Speaker 2: that okay and what would lindsay be doing while you were um with core and dawson [00:14:48] Patrick Clancy: sometimes she'd come with us with callin but oftentimes we did kind of like a divide and conquer so she'd be home with callin and i'd be out with the older kids [00:14:58] Speaker 2: and what types of family activities did um did you all do during those summer months [00:15:03] Patrick Clancy: um we went on a couple vacations we went to the beach um we went out on our boat [00:15:10] Speaker 2: and um went to friends houses during those those months um when you're going to the beach and out on the boat and in visiting with friends um were there any signs of anxiety in the defendant during [00:15:24] Patrick Clancy: those months um i would say starting in september yes but in the previous months uh not so much [00:15:33] Speaker 2: when had she been scheduled to go back to work i don't remember the exact date but i think it was october okay so again it was that pattern of as it became closer in time to go back to work yeah she started to struggle yeah during the times when um she would get anxious when it was time to go back to work and she would start being anxious did you ever have any difficulty understanding her when she spoke no and um did did she ever exhibit any behavior um that made you concerned enough to call a doctor or want to commit her commit her no when she was um showing this anxiety what what were you seeing in her [00:16:28] Patrick Clancy: behavior um just a lot of stress um you know there were days where she had all three kids and you know there's different nap schedules and different needs so it was just really stressful [00:16:42] Speaker 2: okay um and you're still um working in the the basement office at this point after calen's born correct i went back to work late august okay and when you work downstairs um how often would you come [00:17:00] Patrick Clancy: upstairs during the day all the time for lunch um or just to say hi um were there times when um lindsey [00:17:11] Speaker 2: would ask you to hold the baby in the office while she was doing something so yeah okay and um were there times when um you would watch one one or more of the children while she took another to a doctor's [00:17:25] Patrick Clancy: appointment or to an errand or something like that yeah if it if it worked out with a schedule yeah okay [00:17:35] Speaker 2: what was the plan in terms of how many shifts or hours she was going to work after calen [00:17:43] Patrick Clancy: um i believe the plan was two shifts per week but um there's a lot of flexibility she could have done [00:17:52] Speaker 2: really anything do you recall um saying previously that that you were going to start off with one shift and hopefully move to two i could imagine yeah okay and um you said there was some options correct what what were those options if that didn't work out um well i always put money aside in basically our own [00:18:14] Patrick Clancy: maternity account just so that if um she needed more flexibility we we planned for that so so if she [00:18:22] Speaker 2: needed more time off more than what her work would provide for her you were financially secure enough to afford that at this time during this time um in the fall of 2022 were cora and dawson attending preschool yes and where was that learning sprouts and where is learning sprouts located duxbury [00:18:52] Patrick Clancy: how often were they attending learning sprouts uh full days monday wednesday friday and a half day on [00:18:59] Speaker 2: thursday and what was a full day what hours i think it was nine to four nine a.m to 4 p.m i think so yeah [00:19:07] Patrick Clancy: and what was a half day like nine to 12 30 i think they might have had some days where they started early [00:19:15] Speaker 2: i can't remember but basically all day um you know working hours all day monday wednesday friday and then the mornings on thursday is that right right and who would do um drop offs for school we both would and what about pickups both of us together or take [00:19:38] Patrick Clancy: turns usually we would take turns [00:19:43] Speaker 2: now at some point in time um after calen was born did you hire a nanny yes and when was that i think it was um i think it was in august or september of 2022 yeah and um who was that nanny um laney i don't remember her last name was elaine rossi sound familiar yeah and um do you recall how many days per week elaine was going to work when you hired her i think it was 12 hours but it wouldn't be 12 hours altogether it would be spread out over the week is that right correct and um who was she hired to take care of everyone um but mainly it was going to be callin because core and dawson would be at school for the most part yeah and what was the plan for when elaine would work it was that same type of um after lindsay worked [00:20:54] Patrick Clancy: shifts or something different yeah the goal was after lindsay would work i mean she never went back to work but um i think we wanted to get her just um like oriented with with our house and the kids so we had her start before and and then uh she was amazing she was an amazing caregiver but eventually we um decided to let her go because um lindsay was home anyways so so when you initially [00:21:30] Speaker 2: hired her in august or september um you said lindsay was going back to work in october so is that what you're talking about that give her that month or so give elaine that month or so to get situated and acclimated to the house yeah okay have the kids get used to her is that right yep okay did she also elaine did she also do some cleaning laundry and food prep yeah yeah she was amazing now during this time um frame again in the end of summer fall period of 2022 what types of activities were cora and dawson doing um gymnastics [00:22:11] Patrick Clancy: um all right are you talking about organized activities or just in general organized [00:22:20] Speaker 2: i only remember gymnastics did they both do the gymnastics yeah and then were they also participating maybe not in organized situations but in swimming soccer skiing things like that yeah they [00:22:30] Patrick Clancy: were doing swimming um and yeah cora and dawson did skiing uh yeah cora started doing soccer she didn't [00:22:37] Speaker 2: really like it but did a little bit and who took them skiing i did and as in terms of the swimming [00:22:44] Patrick Clancy: where would you do that um we did it at uh goldfish in rockland i think and then um lindsay took them somewhere in i think plymouth i don't remember where it was so you would each take them swimming at various [00:23:01] Speaker 2: times yeah okay and did you also do some swimming at the uh kingsbury club yes and what is the kingsbury [00:23:09] Patrick Clancy: club it's like a gym with a pool and um they had child care so sometimes they would hang out in the kids room and go work out and is that in duxbury uh it's on the kingston duxbury line about [00:23:24] Speaker 2: i'm not i'm not entirely sure but yeah okay and so you could drop the kids off at the the daycare portion and go work out or swim or something like that yeah or we could go with them and go swimming okay did lindsay work out yes she was very health conscious i think so and uh were you aware that she had been an athlete in both high school and college yes do you recall what she did competitive cheerleading now when you were together what type of exercise would she do or did she prefer [00:24:02] Patrick Clancy: um she did a lot of running she did the peloton and she did um there's like some program called beach body i think do you recall when she started beach body [00:24:16] Speaker 2: um maybe in the spring of 2022 i'm not sure so right before having callen would that be accurate [00:24:24] Patrick Clancy: probably yeah [00:24:34] Speaker 2: when you returned to work and you said that was in august correct yes what was the defendant's demeanor [00:24:43] Patrick Clancy: when you returned to work um increased anxiety and um and definitely you know stressed out [00:24:54] Speaker 2: do you recall describing her as slightly stressed but in good spirits um yeah and and when she was stressed out when she was showing some anxiety how did that manifest [00:25:09] Patrick Clancy: um i don't really know how to describe it i guess it's just any way you can tell that somebody's stressed out and um i don't know she would say you know i'm not looking forward to going back to work i remember once she said it's just so unnatural to be [00:25:29] Speaker 2: separated from your newborn you know stuff like that so she didn't want to go back to work is that [00:25:34] Patrick Clancy: what you're saying i think she did um it was just a really difficult transition for her [00:25:43] Speaker 2: and um do you recall attending a wedding on september 17th 2022 yeah and where was that wedding new hampshire was it just you and lindsay that one or did the whole family go we brought calen and when you were at that wedding do you recall having a conversation with lindsay [00:26:04] Patrick Clancy: about medication yes what did she say to you um we were walking downtown and she said i i think i'm [00:26:13] Speaker 2: going to start taking zoloft and did she tell you why she wanted to start taking zoloft she said i [00:26:19] Patrick Clancy: think it's really going to help with my anxiety um and with going back to work and did she tell you [00:26:25] Speaker 2: how she was going to go about getting zoloft yeah i i um i asked her how are you going to get zoloft [00:26:36] Patrick Clancy: it's a prescription and she said you know usually just ask the doctor and they'll give it to you [00:26:41] Speaker 2: and did she tell you um that she was going to see a psychiatrist yeah i believe so and um when she when she did that did she tell you um who she was going to see no did you eventually learn the name of the person who she went to see months later yeah okay and who was that uh jennifer tufts okay and do you did lindsay tell you when she started seeing dr jennifer tufts no did you learn or strike that did lindsay tell you when she received the medication and when she started [00:27:21] Patrick Clancy: it no i mean i should correct that it's not exactly um well let me just ask a question first um when [00:27:35] Speaker 2: did you have a conversation with lindsay about the medication she was on eventually yeah but i didn't know the start date okay and so when did this conversation take place this eventual conversation probably the end of october okay and at that point what did lindsay tell you about the medication and [00:27:56] Patrick Clancy: how she was taking it um i don't remember exactly but i i learned that she was taking the zoloft and um i don't remember really too much about it after that she was just taking it and you know we were [00:28:15] Speaker 2: seeing how it went and did you notice any changes in her physically during that time frame that she was on it and you you weren't aware she was on it uh at the time no i don't think i did and um did you notice any changes in her emotionally during that time when she was on it but you weren't aware she was [00:28:40] Patrick Clancy: on it um yeah uh she wasn't really improving she just kind of seems um to be gradually becoming more [00:28:49] Speaker 2: more in like a depressed state and how was that manifesting what were you noticing it was just small [00:28:57] Patrick Clancy: things um i was planning a trip with cora to san francisco and she was nervous about us going and um i remember we went to a halloween event and um just leading up to it i remember she was it just kind of seemed like she didn't want to go for some reason okay um now do you recall [00:29:23] Speaker 2: learning that um she had actually obtained the prescription the day before she told you she was going to ask for the prescription i did later learn that yeah okay so she's telling you at the wedding that she um is going to ask to take this medication and going to see a psychiatrist to get on that medication but she actually already had the prescription is that correct correct i don't think she started [00:29:46] Patrick Clancy: taking it yet but she already had it okay [00:29:55] Speaker 2: and um did did lindsay tell you how long she took the medication for [00:30:05] Patrick Clancy: uh she may have um i don't remember the exact time frame i just remember she took it for a period of [00:30:12] Speaker 2: time and then her sleep started to suffer so she stopped taking it and did she tell you um whether or not she um spoke to her provider her doctor about the troubles she was having i believe so yeah okay and um did she tell you did lindsay tell you that she was advised to double the dose of the zoloft [00:30:38] Patrick Clancy: she may have i don't remember page 31 [00:30:47] Speaker 2: you could look at lines 20 to 22 and just look up when you're finished [00:30:57] Patrick Clancy: okay yeah apparently she did [00:30:59] Speaker 2: is that refreshing memory yeah and so did lizzie tell you that she was supposed to double the dose i guess she did yeah did you notice any changes in her sleep during that time when she was on the medication but you weren't aware she was on it [00:31:28] Patrick Clancy: um eventually yeah when was that i don't remember the exact dates um but she just you know one night she said um do you mind she's she started by saying i'm not mad or anything but do you mind sleeping in the basement um and letting me just sleep in our room with calen and then you can take the monitors down in the basement and if if kora and das can get up you can get up with them um she said i've just been having a lot of trouble sleeping and um i'm hoping that like if there's less in and out then uh there'll be less disruption okay had you noticed prior to her [00:32:10] Speaker 2: telling you this that she was up a lot or having trouble sleeping like physically seeing her awake no not that i recall and did you in fact start sleeping in the basement for a period of time [00:32:21] Patrick Clancy: i think i did it for like two nights and then she actually went down in the basement [00:32:25] Speaker 2: okay so then you went back up to your bedroom to sleep is that correct yeah and how long did she did lindsay sleep in the basement for after that uh maybe a couple weeks and so during that time frame was she telling you that she was still having trouble sleeping yes but you weren't actually down there watching her sleep you're getting this information from her correct correct were you aware um that out of the zoloft prescription she was given she only took seven pills no after you had the conversation with lindsay where she said she was going to double the dose of zoloft did you notice any difference in her demeanor or behavior [00:33:20] Patrick Clancy: i would say yes um i don't know if i connected it with the doubling of her zoloft but um over that period of time she always she just kept getting worse and [00:33:32] Speaker 2: worse and what period of time was that what month are we in mid-october to the end of december okay so she got the prescription in september started taking in in october took seven pills but was having difficulty in december is that what you're saying from this medication yeah well i don't [00:33:53] Patrick Clancy: know which medication was from but yeah okay [00:33:58] Speaker 2: at some point in time did she lindsay switch providers yes and why did she do that uh because the [00:34:07] Patrick Clancy: whatever she was doing with jennifer tufts it it wasn't working she was just she was only getting worse and um she uh thought that it would be better if she worked with i guess more of like a perinatal psychiatrist and did she get a referral or recommendation of where to [00:34:27] Speaker 2: go i think so yeah do you know who gave her that recommendation it might have been my mother and your mother's a nurse at south shore hospital correct yeah um does she also do labor and delivery work yes okay and so um do you know which provider or which office is she recommended um yeah her name is julie paul and was she at the south shore perinatal clinic something like that yeah okay and do you know [00:34:56] Patrick Clancy: when that was i don't know the dates on that [00:35:06] Speaker 2: do you recall um saying previously that it was um towards the end of november yeah that sounds that [00:35:12] Patrick Clancy: sounds accurate yeah okay [00:35:17] Speaker 2: and you said she initially saw someone named julie paul is that correct correct okay and um do you know how long she saw julie paul at that facility i i think it was only four or five days and um were you aware that julie paul left that office yes and do you know who lindsay saw after julie paul rebecca gelada and was rebecca gelada a nurse practitioner yes were you aware that she also saw a licensed um social worker therapist named leticia dukes while she was at the south shore perinatal clinic [00:35:59] Patrick Clancy: um i i don't recall leticia dukes but it's possible so lindsay never told you that she had [00:36:06] Speaker 2: therapy sessions with a person named leticia dukes during that time frame i don't remember [00:36:11] Patrick Clancy: any therapy sessions now okay [00:36:17] Speaker 2: after switching to um julie paul and then rebecca gelada um did lindsay start coming home with different prescription bottles yes okay and were um some of these medications um that she came home with were some of them during the time she was with dr tufts i think some of them were yeah and some of them were while she was with um julie paul is that correct correct and then some while she was with um nurse practitioner gelada is that correct yes okay and would it be accurate to state that um you provided the district attorney's office um with a printout from cvs pharmacy of all the prescriptions that were filled for lindsay um and from september through january september 2022 through january of 2023 yes [00:37:23] Speaker 5: any objection no of course sure yeah [00:37:34] Speaker 4: in members of the tree one of the things i forgot to tell you is anything that's entered as an exhibit uh you'll have with you in the uh deliberating room uh when you're deliberating so you'll have a chance to go over that as well so you'll have anything that's marked as an exhibit okay okay thank you [00:37:56] Speaker 2: now while she was taking these medications the various pills were you always with her watching and monitoring exactly what she took not always now sometimes you'd see it sometimes you wouldn't yeah directing your attention to february 6 2023 um did you go to the district attorney's office and um or have your attorney go there and provide um a bag of prescription medication that had belonged to lindsay [00:38:28] Patrick Clancy: yeah um i think the police took a bag of prescription medications that night the night my kids passed away and then um there was a bag uh that i had in my truck that i was supposed to um uh nurse practitioner gelada said you can bring them to like a police station they get rid of them for you [00:38:52] Speaker 2: um but i never got around to it and where had you stored those in your truck [00:38:59] Patrick Clancy: um in the center console it's like underneath the center console that opens you have one of those [00:39:06] Speaker 2: center consoles that open up but then there's another larger compartment below it yeah um so was it your plan to bring these to a location where they could be properly disposed yeah i didn't want to just throw them in the trash so and these were all medications um that had been prescribed in the past to lindsay but she was no longer taking correct right [00:39:36] Speaker 5: uh i don't think i have any objection to any of their exhibits so okay she doesn't have to keep showing [00:39:41] Speaker 4: it to me that's fine so i'll assume if you do have an objection just uh rise let me know okay thank you [00:39:48] Speaker 2: for the record um back here with nine pill bottles as exhibit two please [00:40:00] Speaker 4: thank you [00:40:10] Speaker 2: and so looking in exhibit two we have um the the zoloft that was prescribed by dr tufts and filled on september 15 2022 um and i think we i asked you earlier you weren't aware that only seven pills were taken out of this correct that's correct okay and then there's another prescription in here um for ativan that was filled on october 26 2022 were you aware that only six pills were taken out of that bottle can you say the date again october 26 2022 and how many did it start with let's see [00:41:00] Patrick Clancy: okay okay um i mean i don't have those exact numbers on how many she took but there was there were adjustments made on the dosage of the ativan so it that aligns with [00:41:32] Speaker 2: but the question was were you aware that only six pills were taken out of this prescription um no but i think the context is important okay were you aware um that there was a prescription for [00:41:48] Patrick Clancy: for hydroxynine um prescription filled on october 26 2022 [00:42:06] Speaker 2: and then were you aware that there was a prescription for hydroxynine um prescription filled on october 26 2022 for 30 pills and that um only three pills were taken out of this bottle um which hydroxynine yeah what is that i believe it's in some type of similar to an antihistamine like benadryl or something like that okay um [00:42:32] Patrick Clancy: i don't really recall much about that drug okay and [00:42:42] Speaker 2: were you aware in this bag there was another prescription for buspar that was filled on november 9 2022 30 pills um prescribed um and no pills were taken out of this bottle were you aware of that [00:43:00] Patrick Clancy: i wasn't keeping track of the number of pills taken out of each bottle bottle so [00:43:06] Speaker 2: and then um just ask you about one more um the trazodone prescribed on november 16 2022 by a doctor from south shore hospital um 30 pills were you aware that only seven and a half pills were taken out of this prescription no so there were a lot of pills prescribed but not a lot of pills taken correct [00:43:34] Patrick Clancy: um is that comprehensive of all the pills that were prescribed these are the pills that you brought into the police station so out of these out of those yeah it's possible that not a lot were taken [00:43:45] Speaker 2: do you recall what was the most amount of pills prescribed that's i guess i could ask this better um what was the maximum number of medications she was on at any one time i want to say three or four would it surprise you to know that she at any given time the most she was prescribed was three but most of the time it was two medications that she was prescribed at any given time it wouldn't be terribly surprising no now um on november 16 2022 did lindsay visit south shore hospital uh yes okay and um why did she go to the uh south shore hospital that day i believe that day it was because she basically went 48 hours without sleeping and um was she having heart palpitations i think so yeah were you aware that she had taken a weed gummy that day um i don't recall um and are you aware that she didn't tell medical staff at the hospital when describing her symptoms and her medication that she left out that she had used marijuana [00:45:26] Patrick Clancy: i wasn't with her so i don't know what she talked about at the hospital so she drove herself to the [00:45:31] Speaker 2: hospital she did okay and um she drove herself home from the hospital then is that correct now during this time frame between september and november of 2022 are you still participating in activities as a family between november and december between september and november um yeah okay and what types of things were you doing um we celebrated halloween [00:46:07] Patrick Clancy: i i don't really remember what else but i think we're doing things regularly [00:46:15] Speaker 2: do you recall going to an event um with food trucks yeah and do you recall going to an event um in november um where there were trains to ride for the kids [00:46:37] Patrick Clancy: yeah [00:46:42] Speaker 2: that we have um so we have um the photo from the food truck event three and the photo from the train event is three and four somewhere [00:46:59] Speaker ?: can i make publish you may [00:47:06] Speaker 2: so exhibit three is this um lindsay core and callen um at that event yeah and exhibit four this lindsay with all three kids at that event in november [00:47:19] Patrick Clancy: yeah [00:47:32] Speaker 2: did you have plans for thanksgiving that year yeah what were your plans [00:47:38] Patrick Clancy: um i believe the order was we went to wallingford where her parents lived in the week before and then the week after um we went to my sister's house and um where did your sister live [00:47:54] Speaker 2: what town south hamilton okay and um that was a week after thanksgiving is that right correct [00:48:02] Patrick Clancy: i think so yeah yeah it was [00:48:10] Speaker 2: and is this a photo from um thanksgiving at your sister's house yes i could have this photo marked as exhibit five i believe right that may be marked yes um and are those your sisters in the photo with her [00:48:42] Patrick Clancy: that's one of my sisters and my sister-in-law okay and have they coordinated outfits for the day the shirts um yeah i think my sister did [00:48:54] Speaker 2: uh what was um lindsay's demeanor that day [00:49:00] Patrick Clancy: uh she was in rough shape rough shape yeah how so she wasn't talking much she had low energy she was really depressed i just remember when she showed up um my sister-in-law gave her a big hug [00:49:14] Speaker 2: and um she was able to get through dinner eat dinner with everyone yeah okay um she interacted with [00:49:22] Patrick Clancy: people is that correct i would say very little but to some degree sure and she took care of the kids [00:49:29] Speaker 2: with you while she was there we both took care of the kids together you mentioned earlier that your wedding anniversary is in december is that correct yeah do you recall going out for your anniversary on december 3rd 2022 going into boston no we didn't go out you don't recall um arranging for a massage for lindsay and then going to the omni parker house and um going out to dinner that night no december 3rd 2022 we stayed home you stayed home okay okay i'm showing you a photo of you and lizzie you recognize this photo yeah and when was that taken i i'm not really sure it wasn't taken on december 3rd when you were out celebrating your [00:50:46] Patrick Clancy: anniversary in 2022 yes no no we we wanted to go out um but we canceled because she wasn't feeling well so we stayed home we got takeout okay [00:51:04] Speaker 2: did you also um in on november 26th 2022 um go out as a family to get a christmas tree yes [00:51:16] Patrick Clancy: well probably i don't know but yeah around that time yes okay [00:51:27] Speaker 2: showing you two photos are these from that day when you uh got the christmas tree [00:51:33] Patrick Clancy: yeah that looks accurate [00:51:39] Speaker ?: you could have the first photo of all five [00:51:47] Speaker 2: and then the second one is exhibit seven so you exhibit six this is all of you at the tree farm yeah and exhibit seven those are the kids yes around december 6th 2022 did lindsey tell you she was starting a new medication [00:52:39] Patrick Clancy: uh i don't remember specifically [00:52:43] Speaker 2: is it that you don't remember the date or you don't remember her starting a new medication i i'm not sure do you remember lindsey telling you at some point she was starting the medication seroquel yes do you remember around what time frame that was i thought it was before december 6th okay and and do you recall how she was physically after starting the seroquel [00:53:20] Patrick Clancy: awful how so um that was really where her big spiral started um she started to lose a lot of weight and um she became very depressed and uh she was having a really hard time [00:53:36] Speaker 2: okay and um did she describe to you some thoughts or feelings that um she was having at that time yeah she started to say she was suicidal and was that in december of 2022 i think so yeah and when she told you she was suicidal did you ask her if she had a plan on how to kill herself yes and what was her response she said no and did she ever mention a specific way or plan she had to kill herself to you no and at some point in time um did she tell you that this this was the the first time she had had [00:54:23] Patrick Clancy: suicidal thoughts um i don't know if she mentioned it was the first time or not i i just remember her [00:54:30] Speaker 2: saying she had them had you ever heard her say that to you before that she was having suicidal thoughts no um did you own at that time a surface pro a type of tablet that works as a laptop yeah and who had access to that laptop uh we both did okay you and lindsay yeah and going back to august 22nd 2022 did you click on a link on that surface pro um that was titled methods of suicide not that i recall and august 22nd 2022 that was before lindsay had been on any medications as far as you know correct correct going back to december um she's told you that she's having these thoughts um what's your reaction when she tells you that she's having these suicidal thoughts um i just wanted to support her i i asked [00:55:36] Patrick Clancy: those questions back to her and um her you know her mother was coming up pretty regularly anyways so [00:55:44] Speaker 2: um we let them know and um we just try to be supportive did she also tell you at that time at the beginning of december that she was having um some other intrusive thoughts yeah is that how she described them or how you described them intrusive thoughts i would say both okay and um when she told you that she was having intrusive thoughts did you ask her what they were yeah and what was her response [00:56:12] Patrick Clancy: she described thoughts of of hurting the kids or um or having or them having some sort of ailment so like she was very worried that cora had whenever she had a stomach ache she became overly worried that she was um you know like had like a liver problem or something much more dramatic [00:56:34] Speaker 2: than it was okay but going back to that first part she said she had thoughts of harming the kids is that correct yeah and did she tell you um whether or not she had specific thoughts of how she would harm the kids no and she didn't describe that as hearing this external voice telling her to harm the kids correct correct she told you she was having intrusive thoughts herself of having of harming the children correct correct uh correct and um did you ask her um how she was going to harm the kids [00:57:10] Patrick Clancy: i i didn't ask it in that way i it was the same thing i said do you have a plan and is it disturbing to you and uh she said no and then she said yes and um let me go back for a minute there um you said did [00:57:22] Speaker 2: she do you have a plan and she said no what was the second question second part of the question [00:57:28] Patrick Clancy: is it do you find it disturbing and she said yes and she described it as really the way she was [00:57:34] Speaker 2: describing it as um something that might happen to the kids so it was more something might happen then she might do something is that correct yeah and um did did she tell you how long she had those thoughts for she didn't give a duration and um how many times did she tell you this that she had thoughts of harming the kids a couple times and was that a couple times over the course of a night or two in december yeah and as a result of her telling you this that she had thoughts of harming the kids what did you do [00:58:18] Patrick Clancy: her parents came up and um i think i asked her at some point you know do you feel like you need to be kept away from them and she said no and then you know it was very confusing because a minute later she was making them lunch or playing with them or you know getting ready for bed or whatever it was so [00:58:39] Speaker 2: so it was confusing in that she wasn't physically harming them at the time but was having had had these thoughts is that what you're saying right i never saw lindsey on the kids and did you also um as a result of um these statements uh suggest an appointment with with that nurse practitioner gelada it wasn't as [00:59:01] Patrick Clancy: a result of these statements um that appointment was set up because um we were at her parents house in wallingford for thanksgiving and she just described um how she was feeling on the medication and she felt [00:59:18] Speaker 2: that she was um she felt that she was addicted to them was that the benzodiazepines that she thought [00:59:25] Patrick Clancy: she was addicted to uh primarily and then she was taking seroquel at the same time and um she might have been [00:59:32] Speaker 2: taking trazodone or remeron i'm not sure okay um are you do you recall testifying previously um that i called her parents to come up to stay with us and i told her that we needed i asked her who her doctor was because i was very concerned at this point she was prescribed 10 different medications in just over two months so it didn't make sense to me and then you said so after her parents came up um she has she said i have a remote meeting with rebecca gelada and you said no it has to be in person yeah i felt like [01:00:01] Patrick Clancy: it had to be in person because um i just felt like there's a disconnect that i i felt like we could figure it out um whatever was going on so um most of her it seemed like most of her telehealth appointments were pretty quick and um there just wasn't like a lot of attention were you present for these telehealth visits only a few of them and they were after that meeting with gelada okay and that appointment in [01:00:30] Speaker 2: person with gelada was december 6 2022 is that correct that sounds correct so the thought of harming the kids was after thanksgiving but before december 6th is that correct uh that that sounds correct were you concerned for the kids safety at that time no i wasn't and why not [01:00:54] Patrick Clancy: because she wasn't showing any intention of harming the kids and she told you she didn't have a plan [01:01:00] Speaker 2: is that correct correct now um directing your attention to december 15th 2022 um did lindsay go to mass journal hospital to the emergency department that day yeah okay and why was that [01:01:26] Patrick Clancy: um i remember the reasoning being she um told her dad that she wanted to commit suicide and then she said to me i told my dad i want to die and it didn't bother me at all [01:01:41] Speaker 2: and as a result of those statements you brought her or did she bring herself to mass general i think i brought her that time and at mass general she saw medical staff correct yeah okay and um did they recommend to her some type of um admission to mclean hospital [01:02:17] Patrick Clancy: um i remember there was one doctor who was in favor of that and there were two others who were [01:02:22] Speaker 2: more in favor of a day program okay and did they give you information about a specific day program [01:02:28] Patrick Clancy: yeah it was women and infants in providence [01:02:32] Speaker 2: and at that time when um lindsay was saying that she was suicidal um was she asked if she had a plan [01:02:41] Patrick Clancy: by the doctors or by you um i was always checking with her and um she never told me that she had a plan i'm not sure what the doctors asked her okay [01:02:54] Speaker 2: and after um being at mass journal on december 15th um did she go to women and infants hospital in rhode island um to attempt to get into their uh postpartum program she was already in she she went as scheduled okay and um but she didn't remain in correct she was just there for a day correct okay and um did she go by herself did you go with her i dropped her off and then i took dawson skiing okay okay and um at some point in time did lindsay reach out to you to say she wasn't staying at the [01:03:31] Patrick Clancy: program and to come pick her up um she actually said that the um the providers at that program suggested to her that she call me and have her come get picked up and then that i should go in and [01:03:43] Speaker 2: meet with the providers okay and then after you picked her up you didn't she was no longer in the program at that point correct at rhode island women and children's right well we discussed it with the [01:03:59] Patrick Clancy: doctors and their recommendation was that the program wasn't right for her right and so you guys returned [01:04:05] Speaker 2: home is that correct yes okay and um during this time frame um in december um lindsay's still working out [01:04:20] Patrick Clancy: at the kingsbury club correct that might be true i don't recall exactly but yeah [01:04:34] Speaker 2: do you recall her going to the kingsbury club on december 6 13 16 17 or 18th [01:04:42] Patrick Clancy: i mean i i believe that can be true yeah i don't recall those exact dates but yeah [01:04:48] Speaker 2: um at at this time when um she's saying that she's feeling suicidal um she's telling you she doesn't have a plan correct she's no longer saying she has any thoughts of harming the children correct correct um she's still bringing the children to doctor's appointments during that time right yeah do you recall um do you recall um her bringing uh callan and dawson uh to the doctors on december 2nd when they weren't feeling well yeah and then um she was able to call the doctor's office on december 27th and make an appointment for callan and cora when they weren't feeling well do you remember that yeah and take them to the doctor i believe with you correct um maybe i i don't know and then on december 30th um she was able to take callan um to the doctor that day as well and interact with the with the staff is that correct probably then um you returned to mass general hospital the emergency department on december 31st is that [01:06:05] Patrick Clancy: correct yes and why did you go back on the 31st um because she was still talking about thoughts of suicide and um i i was exhausted i said i think it's time to go to mclean and uh we didn't have a diagnosis so we just we just didn't really know what was wrong and um i think for me i was hoping that mclean could really evaluate her and and you know try to figure out the best path [01:06:38] Speaker 2: forward okay so the path to getting to mclean was to go to the emergency department at mass general and be referred to mclean is that correct yes were you aware um that that night um while at the hospital um lindsey was taking selfies [01:07:01] Speaker 4: uh right that may be admitted they may be admitted [01:07:19] Speaker 2: are you asking me yes yeah i can see that and then the second page is just um her legs in the doorway um as a result of going to mass general and telling them about her her suicidal thoughts um was she transferred to mclean hospital yeah okay and um did you stay with her throughout that transfer process or [01:08:15] Patrick Clancy: were you able to i was not able to they for some reason they transfer i don't know if they do this [01:08:22] Speaker 2: with all patients but she was transferred at three in the morning okay and so um she reached mclean in the early morning hours of um january 1st then of 2023 is that correct yeah okay and did you visit her at mclean hospital yeah how often did you see her there i think i was able to go twice uh or maybe three times okay and do you remember you know what visiting hours were or what hours you [01:08:47] Patrick Clancy: visited i don't remember exactly but it was you know something like two to six and i think there were morning hours or hours or but you couldn't just go anytime you couldn't or could you could not okay and so you um [01:09:00] Speaker 2: out of the few days that she was there what five days she was there you visited two or three times is that correct yeah and while you were there with her did she did lindsay talk to you um about the um the um treatment that she was receiving at mclean hospital uh she told me about her her experience [01:09:20] Patrick Clancy: it didn't really seem like she was getting any treatment okay did she tell you that she wasn't [01:09:25] Speaker 2: really getting any treatment or wasn't getting as much um care or treatment as she wanted [01:09:31] Patrick Clancy: uh well i think by the third day i i said um you know what are the what have the doctors said and she said i haven't met with the doctor um the challenge was she arrived on a saturday and then i think monday was an observed holiday so she didn't see a doctor until tuesday so until then um she was coloring and playing with clay and going for walks were you aware that um she [01:09:57] Speaker 2: was seen by a resident a doctor um the first two days she was there and then in attending on the third day that she was there no were you aware that she was seen by a licensed social worker group therapist and other mental health workers um every day while she was there yeah i didn't get any updates were you aware that she was offered one-on-one um therapy by unit staff every day that she was there no did you know that she participated in group therapy on january 1st for 45 minutes a session about [01:10:30] Patrick Clancy: illness and symptom management uh i was aware of some group activities i didn't know the details of it [01:10:37] Speaker 2: and were you aware that she participated in two group therapy sessions one for 45 minutes and one for 50 minutes one on self-compassion and one on illness and symptom management on january 3rd [01:10:49] Patrick Clancy: i wasn't aware of the subject of any of the meetings now were you aware that she declined further um [01:10:56] Speaker 2: group therapy and treatment um in the afternoon of january 3rd no were you aware that on january 4th she participated in a group uh for 40 minutes called medication management no were you aware that she participated in a group on january 5th on expressive therapy for 45 minutes and were you aware that she declined further treatment uh two times in on january 5th um one to attend a group therapy and one to attend a session on cognitive behavioral processes no were you aware that um lindsay asked the doctors to be discharged um on the 6th friday the 6th because she wanted to go to core's birthday party on the 7th um not that i recall were you aware or did lindsay tell you that um she then asked the doctors to discharge her on january 5th um because she wanted to to go home and get ready for the party i wasn't aware of lindsay asking the doctors to be discharged okay were there any insurance issues in terms of insurance refusing to pay for her stay at mclean hospital i we didn't really get to that point you weren't advised by the social worker or any staff there that there were any issues with your insurance is that correct uh yeah that's correct but i wouldn't have cared either would you have just paid for it if needed i would have paid anything yeah [01:12:33] Speaker 4: this spring is this a good time to break yes all right so remember we're going to break uh for the [01:12:39] Speaker 5: afternoon recess um and uh we'll see you back here about two o'clock okay all right [01:13:02] Speaker 4: all right council anything [01:13:32] Speaker 6: all right thank you thank you members of the jury uh teresa break thank you your honor [01:14:01] Speaker 2: um sir um before the break we were talking about um lindsay stay at mclean hospital correct correct correct um were you aware that she was discharged um on january 5th 2023 yes and did you in fact bring her home for that day i picked her up yeah were you aware that she had a follow-up appointment with dr jennifer tufts the following day yes [01:14:31] Speaker ?: i want to show you um [01:14:38] Speaker 2: i want to show you um some photos here of the children and just ask if this is a fair and accurate depiction of how they looked in january of 2023 [01:14:56] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [01:14:58] Speaker 2: Thank you. [01:15:02] Speaker ?: We can have them marked as the next floor exhibits. All right. [01:15:06] Speaker 4: They may be marked. [01:15:26] Speaker 2: Sir, showing you at 9, this is Cora, correct? Yes. Can you tell us a little bit about what Cora was like in January of 2023, what our interests were? [01:15:39] Speaker 5: I'm going to reject at this point. [01:15:44] Speaker 4: Councilor, can I see a sidebar? [01:15:56] Speaker ?: I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. I'm going to reject at this point. [01:16:24] Speaker 2: So, sir, if you could just tell us a little bit about Cora's interest at that time. [01:16:52] Patrick Clancy: Cora was into princesses. And she had a lot of friends. And she just liked taking care of people. [01:17:10] Speaker ?: And showing you exhibit 10. [01:17:14] Speaker 2: Is Dawson correct? Yes. What kind of things was Dawson interested in? [01:17:22] Patrick Clancy: Using firefighters and trucks. And, um, he liked Paw Patrol. [01:17:38] Speaker 2: Um, exhibit 11. Alan. He's only eight months old, correct? Correct. [01:17:46] Speaker ?: Um, did he have any? He was just a happy baby. [01:17:50] Patrick Clancy: Happy baby. [01:17:52] Speaker 2: And then, um, just showing you. Exhibit 12. Does this picture clearly indicate their sizes in relation to each other in January 2023? Yes. [01:18:04] Patrick Clancy: After, um, Lindsay was released from McLean Hospital, um, was there a birthday party for Cora on January 7th, 2023? [01:18:16] Speaker 2: Yes. And who had, um, organized that birthday party? [01:18:32] Patrick Clancy: I think we both did. Okay. [01:18:35] Speaker 2: And, um, where was it? [01:18:37] Patrick Clancy: It was at Nova in Plymouth. [01:18:40] Speaker 2: And was Lindsay present for the, uh, party? [01:18:44] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [01:18:45] Speaker 2: And, um, do you recall who got all the supplies and everything for the party? [01:18:53] Patrick Clancy: I think Lindsay did. [01:18:55] Speaker 2: If we could play a video. I'm gonna ask you to look at a video and just tell me if you recognize this as a video, um, from the party. Or was that from the party? Yeah. And was that Cora seated in front of Lindsay while singing happy birthday? Yeah. [01:19:27] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:19:28] Speaker 2: And there's a second clip. Again, was that Cora and Lindsay? Yeah. [01:19:31] Speaker ?: Hope to have the birthday videos as the next exhibit. [01:19:32] Speaker 2: That may be admitted. Is there a team so far? [01:19:34] Patrick Clancy: From Cora's birthday party until January 23rd, 2023. [01:19:39] Speaker 2: Um, did you check on and check in with Lindsay? Every day. Every day. [01:19:44] Speaker 4: And how did you do that? [01:19:46] Speaker 1: And how did you do that? I would ask her in the morning how she's feeling. [01:19:48] Speaker ?: How she slept. and how she slept. And did she tell you that she was sleeping better? I would ask her in the morning how she's feeling, how she slept. And did she tell you that she was sleeping better? [01:19:54] Speaker 2: From Cora's birthday party until January 23rd, 2023, did you check on and check in with Lindsay? [01:20:08] Patrick Clancy: Every day. [01:20:09] Speaker 2: And how did you do that? [01:20:10] Patrick Clancy: I would ask her in the morning how she's feeling, how she slept. [01:20:15] Speaker 2: And did she tell you that she was sleeping better? [01:20:19] Patrick Clancy: Maybe a little bit better, but she's still struggling. [01:20:24] Speaker 2: And did you ask her during that time if she had suicidal thoughts? [01:20:35] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:20:36] Speaker 2: And what was her response? [01:20:37] Patrick Clancy: She told me no. [01:20:39] Speaker 2: She told you what? [01:20:39] Patrick Clancy: She said no. [01:20:40] Speaker 2: No? Did she ever tell you during that time period that she was having thoughts of harming the children? [01:20:49] Patrick Clancy: No. [01:20:52] Speaker 2: Did you as a family go to the Museum of Science on January 8th, 2023? [01:20:57] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [01:20:59] Speaker 2: Was the defendant able to participate in activities with the children while at the museum on January 8th? [01:21:06] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [01:21:10] Speaker 2: I'm going to pull up some photographs, just ask you to ID or identify everyone in the photograph so that the jurors can follow their movements through the video footage and the video. So if I may, down here in the maroon colored shirt. It's Dawson. Dawson. And in the red skirt. [01:21:37] Patrick Clancy: Cora. [01:21:38] Speaker 2: And in the gray jacket. [01:21:40] Patrick Clancy: Lindsay. [01:21:41] Speaker 2: And here, pushing the carriage. [01:21:44] Patrick Clancy: That's me. [01:21:45] Speaker 2: And his calendar, in the carriage at that time. [01:21:48] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:21:56] Speaker 2: Permission to play the video, your honor. [01:21:57] Speaker 4: Let's see again. Sidebar. And at this time we've moved to submit the still photograph and the video pursuant to the discussion at sidebar. [01:22:15] Speaker 2: And at this time we've moved to submit the still photograph and the video pursuant to the discussion at sidebar. I'd move to submit the full video in as one exhibit for identification and the timeline video as the exhibit. [01:22:42] Speaker 4: Timeline. Did we submit the copy of that later? [01:22:46] Speaker 2: No, there's the full video that was provided by the Museum of Science and then there's a timeline that was created following the family through the museum and we can get snippets from this video. [01:22:55] Speaker 4: Okay, that's fine. [01:22:56] Speaker 2: So for identification. [01:23:01] Speaker 5: Museum of Science video. Did it see? So marked. [01:23:13] Speaker 2: Museum time mark for the next exhibit? Decibet 14. Decibet 14. So after going to the Museum of Science, well, let me go back to that for a moment. At the Museum of Science, do you recall the defendant being able to interact with the children at exhibits that required, you know, manipulating knobs and materials and showing the children how to do those exhibits and interacting with them at those exhibits? [01:23:55] Patrick Clancy: Yeah, Lindsay was always able to interact with our kids, even including at the Museum of Science. Okay. [01:24:00] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:24:01] Speaker 2: And then after your trip to the Museum of Science, do you remember going to the Charlie Horse restaurant with the kids and Lindsay? Yes. And how soon after the Museum of Science was that? Do you recall? [01:24:16] Patrick Clancy: I don't recall the exact dates. [01:24:18] Speaker 2: Okay. And what type of place is the Charlie Horse restaurant? [01:24:22] Patrick Clancy: It's like a family restaurant with games. [01:24:24] Speaker 2: And how was the defendant's demeanor at the restaurant? [01:24:30] Patrick Clancy: It was good. I was hopeful. [01:24:33] Speaker 2: Why were you hopeful? [01:24:34] Patrick Clancy: Because she seemed much better. [01:24:39] Speaker 2: And then on January 14th, 2023, were you able to go to brunch with your friends while the defendant was home with the children? [01:24:50] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:24:51] Speaker 2: And about how long were you gone? [01:24:55] Patrick Clancy: About two hours. [01:24:57] Speaker 2: Were there any issues or problems that you were aware of while you were gone? [01:25:01] Patrick Clancy: No. She encouraged me to go. She said, you've just been inside a lot. You should go out. And it was fine. [01:25:08] Speaker 2: And while you were there at brunch, did she send you photos of the kids and text messages? [01:25:15] Patrick Clancy: I think so. Yeah. [01:25:21] Speaker 2: Directing your attention to January 15th, 2023, did you and Lindsay and the kids go to the Cape Codder in Hyannis? [01:25:29] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:25:30] Speaker 2: And was there a water park there? [01:25:31] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:25:33] Speaker 2: And how was Lindsay's demeanor that day? [01:25:37] Patrick Clancy: It seemed pretty good. [01:25:38] Speaker 2: Was she able to interact with the children and participate in the activities? [01:25:43] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [01:25:46] Speaker 2: If I could bring up photos again, I would just like you to look at the photos to point out who the individuals are in the photo. So here in the dark shorts with the white band on the top? [01:26:02] Patrick Clancy: It's me. [01:26:04] Speaker 2: And then in the bathing suit here with the corny tail? It's Cora. And then in the striped swimsuit at the bottom? [01:26:12] Patrick Clancy: It's Dawson. [01:26:18] Speaker 2: And then here in the black bathing suit without shoulder straps? [01:26:22] Patrick Clancy: Lindsay. [01:26:23] Speaker 2: Lindsay? And is that Cora with her? [01:26:28] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [01:26:30] Speaker 2: And in this third photo, is that Lindsay with Callan in her arms? [01:26:35] Speaker 5: Yeah. [01:26:42] Speaker 2: And that photo there is that Dawson with the striped bathing suit? [01:26:46] Patrick Clancy: Yep. [01:26:47] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:26:48] Speaker 2: We can go to the video with the court's permission. I'm just going to go to certain clips. If we could start from the beginning to 40 seconds in and play. Sir, if you could tell us who, well, can you confirm that that's you and the children and Lindsay arriving now? [01:27:14] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [01:27:27] Speaker 2: Would that be Cora in the purple jacket with the pink boots? [01:27:30] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [01:27:31] Speaker 2: And Lindsay in the gray coat with the backpack? [01:27:35] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [01:27:37] Speaker 2: And then if we could go to 139. During this time, are you waiting to check in and get your wristbands and all of that? [01:28:35] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [01:28:35] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:28:35] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:29:05] Speaker 2: We could go to 647. Do you recognize this play area? [01:29:22] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [01:29:23] Speaker 2: And did you and Lindsay and the children go over to this pirate ship area? [01:29:28] Patrick Clancy: Yep. [01:29:29] Speaker 2: I'm showing you here, is that Cora that just went down the slide? [01:29:33] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:29:50] Speaker 2: Is that you there by the slide? Yeah. We can go to 1122. [01:29:56] Speaker ?: We can go to 1122. Thank you. Thank you. [01:31:24] Speaker 2: We could go to 1406. [01:31:45] Speaker 1: Thank you. [01:32:15] Speaker 2: Sir, here it's 1625. Is that Cora and then Lindsey that go down the slide together? Yeah. We can go to 1745. Is that the same thing here? Yeah. [01:33:00] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:33:01] Speaker 2: So she's able to interact with Cora and the others, participate in the activities? [01:33:05] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:33:06] Speaker ?: If we could go to 4753, please. [01:33:07] Speaker 2: If we could go to 4753, please. If you're up in the corner here. [01:33:09] Speaker ?: Yeah. Is this you and Dawson and Cora entering the pool area? Yeah. [01:33:09] Speaker 2: Yeah. Lindsay was with Callan at that time, correct? [01:33:11] Speaker ?: Yes. [01:33:11] Speaker 2: So you were comfortable with her being there? [01:33:12] Speaker ?: Is this you and Dawson and Cora entering the pool area? Yeah. [01:33:12] Speaker 2: Lindsay was with Callan at that time, correct? [01:33:13] Speaker ?: Yes. So you were comfortable with her being off and in a separate area with her being up in a separate area? with Callan while you were with Cora and Dawson that day? Yeah. Okay. [01:33:21] Speaker 2: So you were comfortable with her being off and in a separate area with Callan while you were [01:33:33] Patrick Clancy: with Cora and Dawson that day? [01:33:34] Speaker 2: Yeah. Okay. Okay. Okay. So you were comfortable with her being off and in a separate area with Callan while you were with Cora and Dawson that day? [01:33:46] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:33:47] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:33:48] Speaker 2: That's all. Thank you. I move to submit the photos and timeline. [01:33:54] Speaker 4: Again, let me just see over here just briefly just so I have that straight. [01:34:13] Speaker ?: Thank you. [01:34:14] Speaker 2: Sir, um, striking your attention now to January 16th, 2023. Um, did you go skiing that day? Yeah. And who did you go skiing with? [01:34:26] Patrick Clancy: Cora. [01:34:27] Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. And was it just the two of you? [01:34:30] Patrick Clancy: No, we went with, um, another dad and his son. Okay. [01:34:33] Speaker 2: And who was that dad? [01:34:34] Patrick Clancy: Adam Schwebuck. Okay. [01:34:36] Speaker 2: And, um, was Lindsay home with Callan and Dawson that day when you went, um, skiing with Cora? Yeah. [01:34:45] Patrick Clancy: Okay. [01:34:46] Speaker 2: Were there any issues or problems, um, that you're aware of when she was home alone with the kids all day? No. Okay. And, um, was she able to communicate with you throughout the day? Yeah. And how was that communication done? [01:35:00] Speaker ?: Uh, texts. [01:35:01] Patrick Clancy: I might have called her. I'm not sure. [01:35:03] Speaker 2: And, um, do you recall texting each other back and forth, um, photos of you with Cora and, um, the boys at home and what they were doing? Yeah. And so she was able to, um, to take those photographs and send them to you without any apparent problem, correct? Correct. I'll show you the three text messages with the attached photos. So, um, are these accurate copies of the text messages with the photos that were sent between yourself and the defendant? Um, are these accurate copies of the text messages with the photos that were sent between yourself and the defendant? Um, on January 16th, 2023. Yes. Would you like to, um, move to have these marked as the next three exhibits? [01:36:12] Speaker 4: They may be admitted. They may be admitted. [01:36:14] Speaker ?: They may be admitted. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. [01:36:38] Speaker 2: They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next two exhibits. [01:36:51] Patrick Clancy: They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. [01:36:52] Speaker ?: They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. [01:36:55] Speaker 2: They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. [01:37:02] Speaker ?: They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. [01:37:04] Speaker 2: They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. [01:37:11] Speaker 5: They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. [01:37:12] Speaker ?: They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. They may be admitted to the next three exhibits. [01:37:14] Speaker 2: And you felt comfortable leaving Callan and Dawson home with her that day? [01:37:26] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:37:27] Speaker 2: And why is that? [01:37:29] Patrick Clancy: She seemed to be doing a lot better. [01:37:31] Speaker 2: In what ways did she seem to be doing better? [01:37:34] Patrick Clancy: Her mood seemed better. She was more active and she was able to partake in more things. [01:37:44] Speaker 2: She was also going to the gym during that time as well, correct? The Kingsbury Club? [01:37:48] Patrick Clancy: That sounds right, yeah. [01:37:56] Speaker 2: Were you hopeful at that time that things were getting better? [01:37:59] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:38:02] Speaker 2: Did Lindsay's parents visit you the weekend of January 21st through the 22nd? [01:38:07] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:38:08] Speaker 2: And whose idea was that? Do you recall? [01:38:11] Patrick Clancy: I think it was theirs. I think they were just coming to visit to say hi. Okay. [01:38:16] Speaker 2: And what did you guys do that weekend? [01:38:19] Patrick Clancy: We just hung out and went to a friend's house on Sunday. They left after we got back from there. [01:38:27] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:38:28] Speaker 2: And whose friend's house did you go to that Sunday? The Carney's. [01:38:34] Patrick Clancy: Carney's, okay. [01:38:35] Speaker 2: And who went to the Carney's? [01:38:40] Patrick Clancy: Lindsay, myself, Dawson and Cora. [01:38:43] Speaker 2: And what did you do there? [01:38:46] Patrick Clancy: There was a fire and I think we roast some marshmallows or something like that. [01:38:51] Speaker 2: Okay. And how was Lindsay's demeanor that day? [01:38:55] Patrick Clancy: She was quieter that day. So, I mean, that was the extent of it. [01:39:01] Speaker 2: Was she able to interact with the Carney's? [01:39:04] Patrick Clancy: Yeah, but she's quiet. [01:39:06] Speaker 2: Okay. And you said you returned home and then her parents left? [01:39:11] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:39:12] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:39:13] Speaker 2: You recall Lindsay and her mom taking a picture together that weekend? [01:39:31] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:39:32] Speaker ?: Yeah. Is this that photo? Yeah, that's it. [01:39:35] Speaker 2: We could have this marked as the next exhibit? [01:39:36] Speaker 4: That may be admitted. [01:39:37] Speaker 2: This is the 19. And Lindsay seems to be doing better that weekend, correct? [01:39:39] Speaker 4: Overall, yeah. [01:39:40] Speaker 2: Were you aware that her mother had sent her a text saying something to the effect of, "I'm glad you're doing so much better"? I became aware of that later, yeah. Okay. [01:39:51] Speaker ?: And just showing the exhibit 19. [01:39:51] Speaker 2: And I'm sorry, Your Honor. I didn't mark the still photo from the meeting. Okay. Overall, yeah. Were you aware that our mother had sent her a text saying something to the effect of, I'm glad you're doing so much better? I became aware of that later, yeah. And just showing the incident 19. And I'm sorry, Your Honor, I didn't mark the still photo from the Museum of Science. If you could have that as the next. Sure. Is this 20? [01:40:31] Speaker ?: Thank you. [01:40:42] Speaker 2: That Monday after her parents had gone home to Connecticut, so Monday the 23rd of January, did Cora and Dawson go to school? [01:40:53] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:40:54] Speaker 2: And do you recall Lindsay picking them up that afternoon? [01:40:59] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:41:00] Speaker 2: When Lindsay returned home with Cora and Dawson, did she discuss with you that Cora was having some stomach issues at school? [01:41:08] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:41:09] Speaker 2: And were you familiar with the stomach issues that Cora had been having? [01:41:13] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:41:14] Speaker 2: And did you have an idea of what was causing those stomach issues? [01:41:20] Patrick Clancy: Yeah, it wasn't unusual. She was embarrassed to go to the bathroom at school. So she just held it all day. [01:41:27] Speaker 2: And so this was a common occurrence? [01:41:28] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:41:28] Speaker 2: And were you aware that Cora had her five-year physical scheduled for the next day, Tuesday the 24th? [01:41:40] Patrick Clancy: No, I didn't know that was already scheduled. I thought she called it in and set it up. So that's news to me. [01:41:49] Speaker 2: Okay. So would it have been Lindsay who would make those kinds of appointments, the physicals and all of that? [01:41:56] Patrick Clancy: She usually handled that, yeah. [01:41:58] Speaker 2: Okay. And going to Tuesday, January 24th, 2023, were you working that day? [01:42:08] Patrick Clancy: I'm sorry, you said on the 24th? [01:42:10] Speaker 2: Yes, Tuesday the 24th. Yeah. That morning was Cora's doctor's appointment at 8 a.m.? [01:42:17] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:42:18] Speaker 2: And who took her to the doctor's appointment? [01:42:20] Patrick Clancy: Lindsay. [01:42:21] Speaker 2: And did anyone have to go with her or did she drive herself and Cora there? [01:42:25] Patrick Clancy: It was just Lindsay and Cora. [01:42:27] Speaker 2: And you were home with the boys, is that right? [01:42:30] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:42:31] Speaker 2: And while you're with the boys and Lindsay's with Cora at the doctor's, are you sending text messages and photos back and forth? Yeah. And why did you send a photo of Dawson to Lindsay that morning? [01:42:48] Patrick Clancy: Because he dressed himself completely for the first time. [01:42:53] Speaker 2: And he was excited about that? Yeah. And did she respond back with a photo of Cora? [01:43:04] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:43:05] Speaker 2: Are these the photos you sent back and forth? [01:43:15] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:43:16] Speaker 2: I could have the photo of Dawson as the next exhibit and the photo of Cora as the following. [01:43:21] Speaker 4: Or they may be admitted. [01:43:22] Speaker 2: Is it 21 and 22 still Mark? [01:43:39] Speaker ?: Publishing needs. [01:43:40] Speaker 2: Is it 21? [01:43:43] Speaker ?: Is it 22? [01:43:44] Speaker 2: And while you were texting with Lindsay back and forth, were you able to understand her text messages? Yeah. Did she seem to understand yours in response? Yes. Did she return home? Yes. And do you recall around what time she got home that morning? [01:44:16] Patrick Clancy: 8:30. [01:44:17] Speaker 2: And once she got home, what did you do? [01:44:20] Patrick Clancy: I think I got ready for work. [01:44:24] Speaker 2: And while you were downstairs working in your office, do you know what Lindsay and the kids were doing? [01:44:36] Patrick Clancy: They built a snowman and they did some art projects. [01:44:39] Speaker 2: And how did you know this was happening? [01:44:41] Patrick Clancy: She texted me a picture. [01:44:43] Speaker 2: So Lindsay was continuing to text you and send you photographs throughout that day? Yeah. [01:44:49] Patrick Clancy: And I went up to say hi at one point. [01:44:51] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:45:04] Speaker 2: First, I just want to show you the text messages back and forth, the text being on the right-hand side. If you want to look through there and just see if you recognize the messages going back and forth between you and Lindsay that morning. [01:45:27] Patrick Clancy: Right. This is activity center. Excuse me? I think this is something else. Let's see. [01:45:35] Speaker 2: So starting at 7:00 a.m. on the 24th and we go to 8:17 a.m. This is the photo you sent with Dawson. And then the replies going to 8:18 a.m. Is this the reply from Lindsay? Yeah. And then throughout the day just messages back and forth up to the point. Page 940 where Lindsay is sending you the photos of the kids in the snow. Is that correct? Yeah. We could have the text messages marked as the next exhibit. Sorry. [01:46:27] Speaker 4: That may be admitted. 6:23. [01:46:29] Speaker ?: And just look at one photo. Is this one of the photos you sent? [01:46:31] Speaker 2: Yeah. We could have the photograph marked as the next exhibit. [01:46:34] Speaker ?: That may be admitted. Exhibit 24. Exhibit 24. Exhibit 24. How often do you think you, or do you remember going upstairs that day to interact with Lindsay and the kids? Um, once or twice. Um, once or twice. It was a busier day than usual. Um, once or twice. It was a busier day than usual. [01:46:46] Speaker 2: And, um. And, um. [01:46:48] Speaker 4: And, um. When you did come up. [01:46:50] Speaker ?: Um, when you did come up to, um, interact with Lindsay and the kids. Um, when you did come up to, um, interact with Lindsay and the kids. [01:46:51] Speaker 5: Um, when you did come up to, um, interact with Lindsay and the kids. Um, when you did come up to, um, interact with Lindsay and the kids. [01:46:53] Speaker ?: Um, once or twice. Um, once or twice. It was a busier day than usual. Um, when you did come up to, um, interact with them, how was Lindsay's mood? She seemed happy. She seemed happy. [01:46:59] Speaker 2: Okay. Um. And, um, when you did come up to, um, interact with them, how was Lindsay's mood? She seemed happy. Happy. And how could you tell that? What was she doing? [01:47:22] Patrick Clancy: Uh, she was playing with the kids. [01:47:23] Speaker 2: And, um, she seemed in a good mood. At any point during that day when you came up or while she's texting you, did she tell you she was having suicidal thoughts? No. Did she tell you she was having thoughts of harming the kids? [01:47:45] Patrick Clancy: No. [01:47:46] Speaker 2: Did she ask for help or, or anything that caused concern? No. [01:47:51] Patrick Clancy: She was, she was having one of her best days. [01:47:53] Speaker 2: One of her best days? [01:47:55] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:48:00] Speaker 2: I want to direct your attention to 4:53 p.m. that day. Did you receive a text from Lindsay, um, about dinner? [01:48:09] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:48:10] Speaker 2: And do you recall what it said? [01:48:12] Patrick Clancy: Something along the lines of, do you want to get takeout? Takeout. I haven't planned anything. [01:48:16] Speaker 2: Um, do you recall it saying, any chance you want to do takeout from 3V? I didn't cook anything. It's been a long day. Yep. Had you been to 3V restaurant previously? Yep. Um, alone or with the family? [01:48:31] Patrick Clancy: With the family. [01:48:32] Speaker 2: With the family. And approximately how many times had you been there to eat? [01:48:38] Patrick Clancy: Probably three times. [01:48:39] Speaker 2: And, um, so you, you had all gotten in the car and driven from your home, um, to 3V restaurant in Plymouth approximately three times? [01:48:49] Patrick Clancy: Yeah, sometimes we were already out somewhere, but yeah. [01:48:53] Speaker 2: Okay. But been there three times. Um, had you ever done takeout from there before? No. Okay. Where would you typically do takeout, um, when you were going to do takeout at home? [01:49:02] Patrick Clancy: Uh, the Chestnut Grill, um, I think another one was West End Grill. [01:49:09] Speaker 2: Were those closer than 3V to your home? Yeah. So, Lindsey suggested 3V and you agreed, is that correct? Yep. [01:49:24] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:49:25] Speaker 2: Did she send you another text at 4:56 p.m. asking you to take a look at the menu? [01:49:31] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. Okay. [01:49:33] Speaker 2: And did you send a text at 5:06 p.m. about Callan? [01:49:40] Patrick Clancy: Yeah, I asked if he had taken a nap. [01:49:43] Speaker 2: And did she respond? Yeah. And what was her response? [01:49:47] Patrick Clancy: Uh, that it was a shorter nap and he was awake. Okay. [01:49:51] Speaker 2: And at that time, um, did you also ask, send a separate test, text asking what she was getting at 3V? [01:49:58] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [01:49:59] Speaker 2: And what was her response? [01:50:00] Patrick Clancy: I, I don't remember what she ordered. [01:50:05] Speaker 2: Do you recall, um, a Mediterranean Power Bowl? [01:50:09] Patrick Clancy: Yeah, that sounds right. [01:50:10] Speaker 2: And, um, did she ask you, um, what you were getting? Yeah. And at 5:08 p.m. did you respond? Yeah. And what, what did you tell her? [01:50:25] Patrick Clancy: I forget what it was. [01:50:27] Speaker 2: Do you recall, um, scallop and pork belly risotto? Yeah. That was it? [01:50:32] Speaker ?: Yep. [01:50:33] Speaker 2: Who called in the order to 3V? Lindsey. Once the order was placed, what did you do? [01:50:41] Patrick Clancy: Uh, I came upstairs. I, um, took Callan for a minute and I rocked him by my knees, kissed Cora on the head and, um, I still be right back. [01:50:54] Speaker 2: And what was Dawson doing when you were leaving? [01:50:57] Patrick Clancy: He was eating chicken nuggets on the couch. [01:51:00] Speaker 2: And do you recall if he was using a bowl or a plate? It was a bowl. [01:51:03] Speaker ?: It was a bowl. [01:51:03] Patrick Clancy: visible. [01:51:33] Speaker 2: Do you remember what the defendants, well, first of all, where was the defendant seated when you left the house or was she seated? [01:52:03] Patrick Clancy: She was standing. And where was she? In the doorway of the living room. [01:52:08] Speaker 2: And was that the doorway by the front door or the doorway by the basement door? [01:52:15] Patrick Clancy: It was the doorway by the basement door. [01:52:17] Speaker 2: And did she have Callan or where was Callan? She had Callan. [01:52:21] Patrick Clancy: Okay. [01:52:22] Speaker 2: And what was her demeanor? [01:52:24] Speaker 4: Normal. Okay. Counselor, can I see both sidebar here? At the end at that time, I'm going to ask Ms. Sprague if you could recall that witness, please. [01:52:46] Speaker 2: Thank you, Your Honor. We recall Patrick Clancy. [01:52:52] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. You may have a seat. All right. Good morning, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. You may have a seat. All right. Good morning, sir. Ms. Sprague. Thank you, Your Honor. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. Good morning. [01:53:07] Speaker 1: So, on Monday, I had asked you some questions about the Surface Pro that you and the defendant had in your home and had access to. and about whether you had looked at a site on suicide methods on August 22. if I could ask you. [01:53:17] Speaker ?: If I could ask you, the defendant had in your home and had access to. [01:53:17] Speaker 1: And about whether you had looked at a site on suicide methods on August 22. If I could ask you, if I could ask you, the defendant had in your home and had access to. And about whether you had looked at a site on suicide methods on August 22. [01:53:20] Speaker ?: If I could ask you, did you look at a site for suicide methods on August 22. If I could ask you, did you look at a site on suicide methods on August 22. [01:53:21] Speaker 4: If I could ask you, did you look at a site for suicide methods on August 22. If I could ask you, did you look at a site for suicide methods on August 23, 2022. [01:53:23] Speaker ?: If I could ask you, did you look at a site for suicide methods on August 22. If I could ask you, did you look at a site for suicide methods on August 23, 2022. If I could ask you, did you look at a site for suicide methods on August 23, 2022. [01:53:52] Patrick Clancy: I don't believe so. Okay. [01:53:55] Speaker 2: And I had also asked you on Monday about when you were leaving the home on the night of January 24, 2023. Your observations of Lindsay and the children. Do you recall that? Yes. And you had testified that you observed Dawson on the couch eating. I believe you said chicken nuggets and green beans. Is that correct? Yeah. Do you recall if you're facing the couch where he was on the couch? [01:54:27] Patrick Clancy: If I were facing the couch, he would be to the right. To the right. [01:54:31] Speaker 2: Okay. And showing you a photograph of the living room where there are some bowls on the couch. Is that a fair and accurate depiction of how the couch looked that night? Yeah. We could have this photo marked. [01:54:49] Speaker 4: All right. Any objection? [01:54:51] Speaker 2: that may be admitted now as you're getting ready to leave the house to head out to get the takeout did Lindsay say anything to you nothing specific that I can recall other than maybe goodbye do you recall something about discussing something about CVS with her yeah okay and what did she say about CVS she wanted [01:55:27] Patrick Clancy: me to pick up some stool softener for Cora and she hadn't mentioned that earlier [01:55:33] Speaker 2: in the text correct yeah I don't think so so as you're leaving she asked you to to make a second or another stop while you're out is that correct correct okay and in response to that request did you ask her to do something [01:55:49] Patrick Clancy: um I don't remember I could show [01:55:56] Speaker 2: yeah I told her to text it to me which she did so that refresh your memory and yeah yeah and did she do so she did and was that at approximately 5:15 p.m. that she texted PDLX sounds correct so your two stops then that night we're going to be CVS in the 3V restaurant correct yes where did you go first CVS and do you remember the route that you [01:56:37] Patrick Clancy: took to get there yeah I went out our driveway took a right on winter street and then took a left on the main road and went to CVS [01:56:46] Speaker 2: so it's a pretty direct route so it's a pretty direct route from your house to CVS I'm just going to have you look at the screen if you would to a map and coming in to this red dot here is that the approximate location of your home at 47 and then looking at this pink dot here next to big Y is that where the CVS is located yes yes about how long did it take you to get there three minutes and when you got to CVS did you go inside yes and what section did you go to in CVS I think it was pediatrics if we could pull up the CVS video I'm going to ask you to look at the video here is that you entering the store yeah and that section you had to on the right is that the pediatric medication section yeah [01:58:26] Patrick Clancy: okay [01:58:27] Speaker 2: and while you're in that section looking for the medication do you do something [01:58:41] Patrick Clancy: I called Lindsey and why did you call Lindsey because what we were looking for wasn't there the shelves are pretty empty it was still during COVID it was just I'm sorry what it was during [01:58:53] Speaker 2: COVID so okay so um and was that call at about approximately 5 33 p.m. yeah okay and then uh did [01:59:02] Patrick Clancy: she answer the call yes she entered when you called her uh actually I think I think she didn't [01:59:09] Speaker 2: the phone call at first she called back okay and did you receive a call back from her about a minute later at 5 34 p.m. yeah that's correct okay and um can you describe that phone call for us [01:59:20] Patrick Clancy: it was very brief I just said um I think there was a generic brand and I said is this one okay [01:59:26] Speaker 2: and she said yeah that's fine and um what was her demeanor during the call [01:59:31] Patrick Clancy: um she was pretty quiet it sounded like she was busy I remember hanging up thinking she's probably in the middle of giving baths or something like that so it sounded to you like she was in the middle of [01:59:44] Speaker 2: something yeah were you able to understand her when she spoke to you yeah and did she seem to understand what you were saying yes and she didn't seem to have any um trouble recalling why you were at CVS or what you were looking for that's correct and did you in fact um purchase some PDLX um at CVS yes did you purchase anything else while you were there i bought a pack of skittles just showing you a receipt from CVS uh does this appear to be an accurate description of what what was purchased yeah we could have the CVS receipt marked as the next exhibit please all right that [02:00:36] Speaker 4: may be admitted [02:00:40] Speaker 2: 26 and then if we could have the original CVS video um marked as an exhibit um and the CVS timeline so we can transfer to mark this the following [02:00:55] Speaker 4: the 27 and 28 [02:01:07] Speaker 2: yeah the original mark is 27 and the timeline is 28 please [02:01:20] Speaker 1: it's 26 27 and 28 is the mark all right thank you [02:01:26] Speaker 2: after you had made your purchases at CVS where did you go next to 3D and do you remember the route you [02:01:32] Patrick Clancy: took to get there um yeah i think i got on route 3 south for just i think just one exit and then i got [02:01:41] Speaker 2: off and went straight to 3D and showing you the map again here on the screen this green dot here on the bottom is that where 3D restaurant is located yeah your honor um your honor um i'd move to submit a copy um a digital copy of the map um we have it on the computer i can make a hard copy all right that may be admitted we can use um empty case as a marker [02:02:38] Speaker 6: is it 29 [02:02:42] Speaker 4: all right thank you [02:02:50] Speaker 2: you could pull up the review video please now um sir how long approximately did it take you to get from cvs to 3v [02:03:13] Patrick Clancy: probably around 10 minutes [02:03:15] Speaker 2: and when you got to the 3v restaurant did you go inside yeah i'm just going to ask you to watch the video on the screen and what are you doing at that point when you're looking at the bags i think i was looking for the [02:03:53] Patrick Clancy: the bag with my name on it [02:04:02] Speaker ?: do you recall what you're doing on your phone at that time [02:04:15] Speaker 2: do you recall what you're doing on your phone at that time um i don't it could be work-related it could be anything and the the order that was listed under your name and phone number correct uh i think lindsey ordered it right but do you recall whose name it was under when you picked it up [02:04:40] Patrick Clancy: i don't recall specifically but it could have been mine [02:04:44] Speaker 2: but it could show you a receipt here from 3v restaurant for mediterranean power bowl and scallop and pork belly risotto you could just look at the name and the number on the receipt yeah that's my name and my number so that's your phone number yeah okay so although the defendant called in the order your name and phone number were given and were given accurately is that correct correct if we could have the 3v video mark as the next exhibit [02:05:13] Speaker 4: uh that may be admitted the uh the can i see counts just very briefly [02:05:43] Speaker ?: uh uh uh uh uh uh uh Thank you. [02:06:37] Speaker 2: All right. It's subject to the court's order that may be admitted. Sir, after picking up the order at 3V, where did you go next? [02:07:05] Patrick Clancy: Home. [02:07:06] Speaker 2: And do you recall the route you took home? [02:07:09] Patrick Clancy: Probably the same route. One exit on the highway and then went home. [02:07:15] Speaker 2: Okay. Do you recall approximately how long it took you to get home? [02:07:20] Patrick Clancy: I would guess 10 to 12 minutes. [02:07:23] Speaker 2: When you arrived home, where did you park? [02:07:40] Patrick Clancy: In the driveway. [02:07:42] Speaker 2: What type of car did you drive then? [02:07:44] Patrick Clancy: A Chevy Silverado. [02:07:46] Speaker 2: And was that a white pickup truck? Yeah. What kind of car did Lindsay drive then? [02:07:51] Patrick Clancy: It was a Kia SUV. [02:07:54] Speaker 2: And once you parked there, were both vehicles now in the driveway? [02:07:58] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:08:11] Speaker 2: I'm going to show you a series of photographs of the exterior of your home. You could just look through them and tell me if they accurately reflect how your home looked and then they were on January 24th, 2023. [02:08:45] Patrick Clancy: Yeah, these are accurate. [02:08:50] Speaker 2: You could have these photographs of Eve here at the home front and back. Mine specifically is the next to this. [02:08:56] Speaker 4: They may be admitted. Thank you. [02:08:57] Speaker ?: Thank you. [02:09:27] Speaker 2: Sir, showing you what's been marked as exhibit 32, is this the front of your house with the main door? [02:09:38] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [02:09:39] Speaker 2: And then showing you what's been marked as exhibit 33, where is this in relation to that main front door? [02:09:47] Patrick Clancy: It's to the right. [02:09:49] Speaker 2: And here where the light is, is that a secondary entrance at the front of the house? [02:09:54] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [02:09:55] Speaker 2: And for the record, that's to the left of the garage? [02:09:58] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:10:00] Speaker 2: Showing you exhibit 34. Can you tell us what portion of the house this is? [02:10:08] Patrick Clancy: It's to the left of the front door. [02:10:10] Speaker 2: So if I'm facing the front door, it's to the left. There's a fence there, is that correct? And exhibit 35, is that more of that same fence on the left? [02:10:21] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [02:10:24] Speaker 2: And then showing you exhibit 36, is this looking at your backyard from that left side area where the fence is? [02:10:34] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:10:37] Speaker 2: And then exhibit 37, can you tell us what we're seeing here? [02:10:43] Patrick Clancy: This is the back of the house and the window where Lindsay jumped out. [02:10:48] Speaker 2: And exhibit 38, is that a more direct view of that back of the house? [02:10:56] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:10:57] Speaker 2: And so the window you referenced about Lindsay, is it this upper right top window? [02:11:05] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:11:06] Speaker 2: And what is behind that window? [02:11:11] Patrick Clancy: Our bedroom. [02:11:13] Speaker 2: And the window to the left there, in the middle, what room is that window in? [02:11:20] Patrick Clancy: That's the upstairs bathroom. [02:11:22] Speaker 2: And then the top window on the far left, what room is that for? [02:11:26] Patrick Clancy: That was Dawson's bedroom. [02:11:27] Speaker 2: Dawson's bedroom. And then directly below the top right window, so the bottom far right window, what room is that window for? [02:11:37] Patrick Clancy: The living room. [02:11:39] Speaker 2: And then again, the middle window on the bottom level? [02:11:43] Patrick Clancy: Downstairs bathroom. [02:11:44] Speaker 2: And then that window on the far left there, is that the kitchen? [02:11:50] Speaker ?: Yeah. [02:11:52] Speaker 2: And on the far left of the photo, where the sliding glass doors are, where does that lead into? [02:11:58] Patrick Clancy: There's like a room off of the kitchen where there is a kitchen table. [02:12:14] Speaker 2: When you got home and you parked your truck, how did you get into the home? [02:12:23] Patrick Clancy: I went in through that side door. [02:12:25] Speaker 2: The door that was to the left of the garage? [02:12:27] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:12:30] Speaker 2: And what did you do once you got inside the home? [02:12:35] Patrick Clancy: I started taking my boots off. [02:12:39] Speaker 2: And did you have some bags with you from CVS and 3V? [02:12:43] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:12:43] Speaker 2: Where did you place those? [02:12:45] Patrick Clancy: On the kitchen island. [02:12:50] Speaker 2: I'll show you a couple photos of that area where you came in. Just tell us if it accurately represents how they looked. That area looked on January 24th, please. [02:13:03] Patrick Clancy: Yeah, that's accurate. [02:13:06] Speaker 2: You could have these two photos marked with them. [02:13:11] Speaker 4: They may be admitted. [02:13:12] Speaker 2: They're showing you what's been marked as Exhibit 39. Can you tell us where the sliding glass doors are in this photograph? They're to the left of the kitchen table. So we have here the kitchen table, kind of in the center of the photograph. Yeah. And so these are the sliding glass doors? [02:13:47] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:13:47] Speaker 2: And where's the door that you came through? [02:13:50] Patrick Clancy: To the right after the kitchen table. [02:13:53] Speaker 2: Right here, next to the curtain? [02:13:55] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:13:56] Speaker 2: And the door, when you're looking at the photo straight ahead, this door to the left of the mirror or the photo there, where does that lead? [02:14:04] Patrick Clancy: The garage. [02:14:05] Speaker 2: And then showing you Exhibit 40, is that where you placed the bags on the island in the kitchen? [02:14:16] Speaker 1: Yeah. [02:14:17] Speaker 2: When you came into the house and you were taking off your boots and putting things down, was there anything you noticed? [02:14:33] Patrick Clancy: Yeah, the house was really quiet. [02:14:35] Speaker 2: Is that unusual? [02:14:36] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:14:37] Speaker 2: And when you realized it was really quiet, what did you do? [02:14:43] Patrick Clancy: No. I called out. [02:14:45] Speaker 2: And who did you call out to? [02:14:47] Patrick Clancy: Everyone. [02:14:48] Speaker 2: Did anyone answer? [02:14:50] Patrick Clancy: No. [02:14:51] Speaker 2: After you called out and no one answered, what did you do next? [02:14:56] Patrick Clancy: I think I, I don't know the order, but I called down in the basement and no one answered. And then I called Lindsay to see if she was home, because I looked out and I, I couldn't see her car, but it's because it was dark and her car's black. [02:15:16] Speaker 2: Okay. So when you, you say you, um, you called down to the basement, when you approached the basement door, do you remember if it was open or shut? [02:15:25] Patrick Clancy: It was shut. [02:15:26] Speaker 2: So did you open it and yell down? [02:15:28] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:15:29] Speaker 2: And there was no response? [02:15:30] Patrick Clancy: Correct. [02:15:31] Speaker 2: And, um, showing you a photo here, is, is that a fair and accurate depiction of the stairway down to the basement level? [02:15:38] Speaker 4: Yeah. [02:15:39] Speaker 2: You could have this marked as the next example of this. [02:15:42] Speaker 4: That may be admitted. [02:15:43] Speaker 2: Do you recall when you opened the door to yell down whether the light was on or off? [02:15:54] Patrick Clancy: Yeah, it was on, but Lindsay always left the light on. [02:15:58] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:15:59] Speaker 2: And you said you called Lindsay, um, was that a phone call? Yeah. And was that at approximately 6:09 PM? Yeah. Okay. And did she answer? No. After calling down, um, the stairs to the basement, did you leave the door open or did you close it? [02:16:21] Speaker ?: I don't remember. [02:16:22] Patrick Clancy: I don't remember. Okay. I would think I closed it because I always try to keep it closed. Um, I'm not sure. Okay. [02:16:29] Speaker 2: Um, and so after you called Lindsay and didn't get a response, what did you do next? I started checking upstairs. [02:16:34] Patrick Clancy: I started checking upstairs. And where did you check upstairs? [02:16:37] Speaker 2: Um, first the bathroom. [02:16:40] Patrick Clancy: I thought maybe they were taking baths, um, but there's no one there. I didn't know in there. [02:16:47] Speaker 2: And then where did you go? [02:16:48] Patrick Clancy: The kids' bedrooms. [02:16:49] Speaker 2: Was there anyone in the kids' bedrooms? No. Um, and then did you go to your bedroom? [02:16:54] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:16:55] Speaker 2: And were you able to get into your bedroom right away? [02:16:58] Patrick Clancy: No, the door was locked and that's when I knew something was wrong. [02:17:01] Speaker ?: Yeah. [02:17:02] Speaker 2: And when you realized the door was locked, um, did you have a way to unlock it? [02:17:07] Speaker ?: Yeah. [02:17:08] Patrick Clancy: The previous owners, um, when they installed the doorknobs had these, uh, like these little keys that they taped to the back of each door. So I got the one from Cora's room and I started unlocking the, the knob. [02:17:23] Speaker 2: Okay. And, um, when you unlocked the door to your bedroom, um, did you go in? [02:17:29] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:17:30] Speaker 2: And what did you see when you, um, opened the door and went in? [02:17:35] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. I just saw blood everywhere and the window is open. [02:17:41] Speaker 2: And showing you here a photo, is, is this, um, the bed in your bedroom? Yeah. Now, the way the bed is in this photo, um, kind of pulled away from the wall and slightly askew or at an angle, is that the way it was typically? No. [02:18:02] Patrick Clancy: No. [02:18:03] Speaker 2: And when you left the bedroom that day, um, for the last time prior to coming home later that night, was the bed in that position? I, I don't think so. [02:18:11] Speaker 4: I could have this photo in there. [02:18:15] Speaker 2: It may be admitted. [02:18:16] Speaker 4: Is it going to? And you said you saw the window, is that correct? [02:18:21] Speaker ?: Yeah. Was it open? Yeah, there was wind blowing in. Showing you a photo here. Is that a fair and accurate depiction of how the window looked? Yeah. That may be admitted. That may be admitted. Did you walk into the room and over to the window? [02:18:32] Speaker 2: No. How far into the room did you get? No. [02:18:35] Speaker ?: How far into the room did you get? [02:18:35] Speaker 2: No. [02:18:36] Patrick Clancy: Probably one or two. Yeah. Yeah. [02:18:39] Speaker 2: Yeah. It was open. Yeah. There was wind blowing in. Showing you a photo here. [02:18:44] Speaker 4: Is that a fair and accurate depiction of how the window looked? [02:18:45] Speaker ?: No. That may be admitted. [02:18:46] Speaker 2: Did you walk into the room and over to the window? [02:19:00] Patrick Clancy: No. [02:19:01] Speaker 2: How far into the room did you get? [02:19:04] Patrick Clancy: Probably one or two steps, and then I immediately turned around and went outside. [02:19:09] Speaker 2: And the blood that you saw, where was that located in the room? [02:19:14] Patrick Clancy: It was everywhere. It was, it looked like it was sprayed almost with like a hose. And there was a huge puddle in the middle of the room, and it was sprayed all over the, pretty much every surface. I remember it was on the doorknob. Okay. [02:19:35] Speaker 2: Showing you three photos. Do you recognize what's depicted there? And is that a fair and accurate depiction of how the room looked on January 24th, 2023? Yeah. We could have these photos. It may be admitted. [02:20:09] Speaker 4: So, sir, showing you what's been marked, exhibit 44. [02:20:22] Speaker 2: Is this the entrance to the room and looking into the room? Yeah. [02:20:40] Speaker 6: Yeah. [02:20:41] Speaker 2: And then exhibit 45, is this mirror to the right of that bureau we were just looking at? [02:20:50] Speaker ?: Yeah. [02:20:51] Speaker 2: And this area right here, is this the blood you were referring to? [02:20:57] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. Yeah. [02:20:59] Speaker 2: That's some of the blood. And then in exhibit 46, is that closer to, getting closer to the window? Yeah. And is that more of the blood that you were talking about? [02:21:10] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:21:11] Speaker 2: Going back to exhibit 42, there's no blood on the walls or on the bedding, correct? On those walls and the bedding, correct? [02:21:32] Patrick Clancy: On those walls and the bedding, correct? [02:21:59] Speaker ?: Thank you. [02:22:00] Speaker 2: Sir, were you aware that the defendant's phone was found on the bed in the bedroom that night? [02:22:14] Patrick Clancy: Good night. [02:22:44] Speaker 2: They're showing you this phone with this white brown case, do you recognize this? [02:23:06] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [02:23:06] Speaker 2: Whose phone is it? [02:23:08] Patrick Clancy: That was Lindsay's phone. [02:23:11] Speaker 2: And is this the phone that she was consistently using between September of 2022 and, well, actually August of 2022, throughout the fall and into January of 2023? [02:23:24] Speaker 4: Yeah. [02:23:26] Speaker 2: Do you have this marked as an effective, at least? [02:23:29] Speaker 4: That may be admitted. [02:23:33] Speaker 1: 3,47. [02:23:45] Speaker 2: Sir, after making those observations in the bedroom, what did you do next? [02:23:51] Patrick Clancy: I ran downstairs and went outside. [02:23:54] Speaker 2: And do you recall whether you came around, whether you went out the front door or the back door? [02:24:00] Patrick Clancy: I went out the back door. [02:24:01] Speaker 2: So that would be the sliders, is that right? [02:24:03] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:24:04] Speaker 2: And where did you go from there? [02:24:06] Patrick Clancy: I just looked around in the backyard below that window and I saw Lindsay. [02:24:11] Speaker 2: And where did you see her? [02:24:13] Patrick Clancy: She was face up in the backyard. [02:24:16] Speaker 2: And where in the backyard was she? [02:24:19] Patrick Clancy: At the bottom of the window. Yeah. [02:24:21] Speaker 2: And so. Looking at, you said at 38, you said this was the window, correct? The top right? [02:24:40] Patrick Clancy: Correct. [02:24:41] Speaker 2: Where was she in relation to that window? [02:24:44] Patrick Clancy: Directly below it. [02:24:46] Speaker 2: So down here by the window well? [02:24:47] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:24:49] Speaker 2: For the record, I was pointing straight below the bottom right window by the window well. I'll show you a photo of that window you were referring to. Is this the exterior view of that window to your bedroom that night? [02:25:07] Speaker 4: Yeah. [02:25:09] Speaker 2: We could have this marked as an activity. [02:25:12] Speaker 4: That may be admitted. [02:25:15] Speaker 1: To the 48th. [02:25:18] Speaker 2: I'm showing you exhibit 48. So the window's open, correct? [02:25:29] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [02:25:30] Speaker 2: And the screen for the window is up, correct? [02:25:34] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:25:35] Speaker 2: At any point in time that night or afterwards, did you notice that the screen was cut or broken in any way? [02:25:41] Patrick Clancy: I didn't notice that. I didn't notice that, no. [02:25:56] Speaker 2: And when you saw Lindsay on the ground there under the window, which direction was her body facing? [02:26:04] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. Her head was closer to the house. Her feet were away from the house. [02:26:07] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:26:08] Speaker 2: And did you go to her? [02:26:10] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:26:11] Speaker 2: And did you observe any injuries? [02:26:14] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [02:26:15] Speaker 2: And what did you see? [02:26:17] Patrick Clancy: She had deep cuts on her wrists, and she had a red line across her neck. I wasn't sure what it was at first, but she cut her neck. [02:26:32] Speaker 2: And do you recall that these wounds weren't actively bleeding at the time? [02:26:38] Patrick Clancy: I later learned that I said that on the 911 call. [02:26:41] Speaker 2: And when you observed these wounds, is it correct that the 911 operator asked you or instructed you to apply pressure if needed? [02:26:53] Patrick Clancy: I don't recall the whole call, but I believe that's probably true. [02:26:57] Speaker 2: Okay. And you didn't, at the time, feel the need to apply pressure to any of those wounds, correct? [02:27:02] Patrick Clancy: Correct. [02:27:04] Speaker 2: Did you say anything to Lindsay when you found her in that state? [02:27:09] Patrick Clancy: Yeah, I said, what happened? [02:27:10] Speaker 2: And what was her response? [02:27:12] Patrick Clancy: She said, I tried to kill myself. [02:27:16] Speaker 2: Did you ask her anything else? [02:27:20] Patrick Clancy: I said, where are the kids? [02:27:22] Speaker 2: And what was her response? [02:27:23] Patrick Clancy: She said, they're in the basement. [02:27:25] Speaker 2: And at that time, she didn't tell you that they needed help or they were in danger or they were injured, correct? [02:27:32] Patrick Clancy: Correct. [02:27:34] Speaker 2: And so you mentioned talking to someone on 911. At what point did you call 911? [02:27:44] Patrick Clancy: I don't know the exact time, but it took a few minutes because my phone was switching between Wi-Fi and 911. So I almost just started calling out for the neighbors, but eventually it went through. [02:27:55] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:27:56] Speaker 2: So you had some difficulty connecting, but eventually you connected to the 911 operator? [02:28:00] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:28:01] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:28:01] Speaker 2: And did you stay on the phone with them? While they were sending people to respond? [02:28:07] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. Okay. [02:28:12] Speaker 2: While you're on the phone with 911, are they asking you questions and you're responding with information about her condition? [02:28:36] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. [02:28:38] Speaker 2: And if you could just look at the screen here, is this the model of the first floor of your home? [02:28:45] Patrick Clancy: Yes. [02:28:45] Speaker 2: And so we have here the sliding glass doors. Where would the basement door be in this model? [02:28:57] Patrick Clancy: Directly below the stairs. [02:28:58] Speaker 2: So now that it's flipped around, is this the door to the basement right here? [02:29:18] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:29:18] Speaker 2: For the record, that's the door across from the downstairs bathroom? Yeah. [02:29:25] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:29:25] Speaker 2: And then, how long approximately, and I know you weren't looking at your watch or anything like that, but can you estimate for us how long it took for first responders to arrive? [02:29:46] Patrick Clancy: Four or five minutes. [02:29:47] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:29:48] Speaker 2: And during that time, are you continuing to try to talk to Lindsay? [02:29:53] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:29:53] Speaker 2: Is she responding? [02:29:55] Patrick Clancy: She's in and out of consciousness. [02:29:57] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:29:59] Speaker 2: Was she breathing on her own? [02:30:01] Patrick Clancy: I believe so. [02:30:02] Speaker 2: And you're communicating information to the 911 operators, and are they giving you, you know, advice on how to deal with the situation as it progresses? [02:30:14] Speaker 1: Yeah. [02:30:14] Speaker 2: Okay. Once emergency personnel arrive, what do you do? [02:30:21] Patrick Clancy: I immediately got up and ran to the basement. [02:30:23] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:30:24] Speaker 2: And do you still have the phone on you? You're still on the 911 call? [02:30:29] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. I didn't realize it at the time, but I did. [02:30:31] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:30:32] Speaker 2: And having a look at this model here on the screen, is this a fair and accurate depiction of the setup of your basement? [02:30:42] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:30:43] Speaker 2: Okay. If you can just describe the rooms for us, what the purpose of each room was? [02:30:50] Patrick Clancy: So the room in the back left is my office. The room with the black rubber mat is the gym. And then there's the living room to the right of that. And then the back right is just an area of the living room. And then there's a bathroom next to that. [02:31:08] Speaker 2: So when you come down those stairs that night, which direction did you go? [02:31:17] Patrick Clancy: I immediately went left. [02:31:19] Speaker 2: And when you went left, what did you see? [02:31:22] Patrick Clancy: I saw Cora. [02:31:23] Speaker 2: And how did she look? [02:31:26] Patrick Clancy: She had a band around her neck. [02:31:29] Speaker 2: And was that an exercise band? [02:31:31] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:31:32] Speaker 2: And do you recall whether she was, what position she was in, whether face up or face down? [02:31:40] Patrick Clancy: She's face down. [02:31:42] Speaker 2: And when you saw her in that condition, what did you do? [02:31:47] Patrick Clancy: I immediately ran over and tried to take the band off. [02:31:50] Speaker 2: Were you able to get the band off? [02:31:52] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:31:53] Speaker 2: And do you recall how you got the band off? [02:31:55] Patrick Clancy: I think I untied it. [02:31:57] Speaker 2: And when you say untied it, was it in a knot that you had to, you know, put everything down and unknot it? Or how was it tied? [02:32:05] Patrick Clancy: I'm not sure I fully remember. [02:32:08] Speaker 2: Do you recall describing it previously as when you initially tie your shoes but then don't do the bow? Yeah, that sounds right. And was she responsive? [02:32:22] Patrick Clancy: No. [02:32:24] Speaker 2: And what did you see or do next? [02:32:27] Patrick Clancy: I saw Callan. [02:32:29] Speaker 2: And where was he? [02:32:30] Patrick Clancy: He was next to her. [02:32:31] Speaker 2: And how did he appear? [02:32:35] Patrick Clancy: He had a band around his neck. [02:32:36] Speaker 2: Sorry? [02:32:37] Patrick Clancy: He had a band around his neck. [02:32:39] Speaker 2: And did you remove that as well? [02:32:40] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:32:41] Speaker 2: And do you recall what position he was in? [02:32:44] Patrick Clancy: Same as Cora. [02:32:46] Speaker 2: And looking at the model here, if you could just tell us where was Cora? [02:32:54] Patrick Clancy: The left of the couch. [02:32:57] Speaker 2: So would that be this area here that I'm pointing to in between the bureau and the couch? [02:33:01] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:33:02] Speaker 2: And where was Callan? [02:33:04] Patrick Clancy: To her left. [02:33:05] Speaker 2: So would that be more over here towards the chair and the bureau? Yeah. After you removed the band from Callan's neck, what did you do next? [02:33:22] Patrick Clancy: I tried to find Dawson. [02:33:24] Speaker 2: And where did you go? [02:33:26] Patrick Clancy: I looked in the bathroom and on the other side of the couch. And then I went to the other side of the basement and he was in my office. [02:33:35] Speaker 2: And when you saw Dawson, what condition was he in? [02:33:41] Patrick Clancy: I knew he was gone. [02:33:44] Speaker 2: And did he also have a band around his neck? [02:33:46] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:33:47] Speaker 2: And did you remove that band? [02:33:49] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:33:51] Speaker 2: And looking at the office here, where was he located within the office? [02:34:00] Patrick Clancy: Just to the left of the door when you went in. [02:34:02] Speaker 2: Just in this area here, right inside the door? [02:34:05] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:34:14] Speaker 2: We may approach briefly? Yeah, please. Now, after finding Dawson and taking off the band, what happened next? [02:35:01] Patrick Clancy: I think I was back and forth. I think I went to try to help Cora. [02:35:06] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:35:07] Speaker 2: Did you try to give her CPR? [02:35:08] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:35:10] Speaker 2: At some point in time, do the first responders make their way down to the basement? [02:35:14] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:35:15] Speaker 2: And do they take over care of the children? [02:35:17] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:35:18] Speaker 2: Where do you go? [02:35:19] Patrick Clancy: They sent me upstairs. [02:35:21] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:35:22] Speaker 2: And at this point, Your Honor, I'd move to submit the 911 call as the next exhibit. All right. [02:35:33] Speaker 4: that may be allowed pursuant to the earlier order. [02:36:03] Speaker 2: Cora Dawson and Kellen removed from the home and taken to a hospital. [02:36:20] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:36:21] Speaker 2: Was that Beth Israel Deaconess in Plymouth? [02:36:24] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:36:25] Speaker 2: Did you also go to that location? [02:36:27] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:36:30] Speaker 2: And at the hospital, were you able to see your children? [02:36:32] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:36:34] Speaker 2: And was Kellen then transported to Children's Hospital? [02:36:37] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:36:44] Speaker 2: Did anyone ever tell you not to leave your kids alone with Lindsay? [02:36:49] Patrick Clancy: No. [02:36:52] Speaker 2: In January of 2023, did Lindsay ever tell you that she wanted to harm your children? [02:36:59] Speaker ?: No. [02:37:01] Speaker 2: Did she ever tell you she was going to kill your children? [02:37:05] Patrick Clancy: Yeah. [02:37:09] Speaker 2: Did you receive, a few days after this happened, did you receive a phone call from the defendant that she was at Brigham and Women's Hospital? [02:37:22] Patrick Clancy: I think it was like a week or so after, yeah. [02:37:26] Speaker 2: Okay. And what did the defendant say at that time about what had happened with the children? [02:37:35] Patrick Clancy: Uh, she didn't talk about our kids, she talked about what she went through. [02:37:42] Speaker 2: And what did she say about what she went through? [02:37:44] Speaker ?: Yeah. [02:37:44] Patrick Clancy: She said she heard a man's voice telling her that if she didn't do it now, she would lose her chance or something like that. [02:37:53] Speaker 2: And did she also tell you that she had had a moment of psychosis? I don't recall. Did she mention the children at all during that call? [02:38:11] Patrick Clancy: I don't think so. No. Not directly. [02:38:18] Speaker 2: Had she ever mentioned psychosis to you before? No. [02:38:23] Patrick Clancy: I didn't know what psychosis was until after this happened. [02:38:26] Speaker 2: Did she ever tell you she was hearing a man's voice before? No. If I may have a moment, Your Honor. Sure. I have no further questions for this witness. [02:38:53] Speaker 4: All right. I just have exhibits after. All right. Councilor Casey just briefly sidebar. [02:38:59] Speaker ?: Thank you.