Nick Fuentes Interview (Ft. Hunter Biden)

[0:00] You said you want to ask me, why are you a Nazi? [0:02] Inclusion has been our greatest strength. [0:04] Diversity has been our greatest strength. [0:06] White people do feel like we are being boxed out. [0:09] A 26-year-old white kid doesn't feel like he has access because he's been canceled. [0:14] And the problem is black people. [0:16] I didn't say the problem is black people. [0:17] Well, you just did, Nick. [0:18] You just said... [0:19] I said the problem is crime. [0:20] And we know who's doing the crime in Chicago. [0:22] Do you get what I'm saying? [0:23] Yes. [0:23] About the Holocaust things? [0:25] Oh, about that. [0:27] We get to say whatever we want on the internet. [0:28] We get to deny the Holocaust. [0:30] As far as Jews are concerned in general, I think that everybody in the country should [0:34] be treated with dignity and respect and have their civil rights. [0:37] What do you think about somebody like Mom Donnie? [0:39] Personally, I don't like him. [0:40] Like, for example, on Fourth of July, when he takes the opportunity to sit there with, [0:43] let's be honest, not a single white person. [0:45] What about fucking Donald Trump? [0:46] There's no ideological core to Donald Trump. [0:49] No, I agree with you. [0:50] Don Jr. got the largest loan ever given by the Department of Defense. [0:54] Vance owes his entire political career to Peter Thiel. [0:56] Whichever firm is the one to develop ASI, that could confer dictatorial-like powers upon [1:03] the CEO of that company. [1:04] Everything that we think about the way in which we exist in the world completely changes. [1:08] Increasingly with Uber, Airbnb, banking apps, you can't live your life without the tech [1:13] platform. [1:13] Everything that AI is built on is ours. [1:16] That's what they're stealing from us. [1:17] I want to find common ground of how much of a shithead Donald Trump is. [1:20] We can get there. [1:22] The kind of first question that I had whenever I caught wind that you wanted to do an interview [1:28] like this is, you know, why now? [1:30] What made you want to sit down for this kind of interview? [1:32] Well, I think it's an interesting conversation to have all of us here. [1:35] And, you know, I think it's a moment in our country when there's a lot of realignment. [1:39] You know, I think that people recognize, especially in the past couple of years, I'm like a non-conventional [1:44] critic, maybe, of what's happening. [1:48] And so I think it'll be an interesting, productive conversation. [1:51] I think it'll be different. [1:52] But I mean, specifically, because we kind of share a publicist. [1:55] I heard that you wanted to kind of, okay, we have a publicist that you hit up and you [2:01] said that you wanted to talk to someone who would give you kind of a fair shot to like [2:03] clear up some things and maybe some misconceptions about you and the things you believe. [2:07] Absolutely. [2:07] Yeah. [2:08] Yeah. [2:08] I think that, you know, I'm somebody who I think like you, actually, maybe we have this [2:12] in common is kind of pigeonholed in a certain way for things that we've done in the [2:16] past or things that we've said. [2:17] Yeah, I'm a crackhead. [2:19] And I'm racist, right? [2:21] I got pigeonholed there. [2:22] Mine is true. [2:23] Yeah. [2:23] Yeah. [2:23] My mind's a little true. [2:25] Maybe a little, no. [2:26] But yeah, so I think it'd be good to clear up some of the misrepresentations and put out [2:31] something accurate. [2:32] So what do you think is the most misrepresented thing about you? [2:35] Well, I think really the whole image everybody has about me. [2:38] You know, when you mentioned me, I think on a recent show, you said you want to ask me, [2:42] why are you a Nazi? [2:44] Yeah. [2:44] And that's how everybody knows me. [2:45] Everybody thinks of me as a white supremacist Nazi, and I don't think that's really true [2:49] at all. [2:50] I think that we definitely have different values. [2:52] I mean, you're more from the left. [2:53] I'm more from the right. [2:54] But I don't think I'm a hater. [2:56] I'm not a hateful person. [2:57] It is Heil Hitler Friday. [3:00] Heil Hitler. [3:01] All my is Nazis. [3:02] Morgan. [3:03] Hitler was very fucking cool. [3:06] Yes, I do. [3:09] And I'm tired of pretending he's not. [3:11] So what's the thing about, I guess, traditional Nazism that you think you disagree with the most? [3:14] Well, it's a non-Christian ideology. [3:18] So, I mean, look, I believe that race is real, as the Nazis did, but I don't think it utterly [3:23] defines a person. [3:25] As a Christian, I think we're all created beings. [3:27] I do believe there's such a thing as a universal human community. [3:30] And so I think it's a cruel ideology. [3:33] I've said this on my show, by the way, but I mean, that would maybe be the fundamental. [3:37] Did you always feel that way? [3:38] Always. [3:38] Yeah, absolutely. [3:39] So even whenever you were younger and stuff? [3:41] I did, I did, but, you know, you got to recognize times have changed. [3:46] Ten years ago, we had a totally different political world. [3:49] The regulation of policing a speech, you know, what you would call wokeness, I think, was [3:53] at an all-time high when I got started as a very young man. [3:56] Wait, wait, what you would call wokeness. [3:57] Yes. [3:58] Yeah, exactly. [3:58] Well, and I think, I mean, would you not say there were some excesses maybe in those days? [4:03] Yeah, you know, in those days, I wasn't doing too well, so I wasn't paying much attention. [4:09] Anyway, I would love to hear, and I'm not asking you to, like, retract everything that [4:13] you've ever said and all, you know, or anything. [4:15] But I said that I would love to talk to you because, number one, I told you this, is that [4:22] I think you're really smart. [4:23] And I think that with that comes a real responsibility, and you have an audience. [4:31] And I have a friend whose son is my daughter's age, you know, maybe 28, you know, your age. [4:38] And he's really smart, and he is a big fan of yours. [4:42] And so, by virtue of the relationship, I got to learn what it is that he, why he is a fan [4:49] of yours. [4:49] And none of it has to do with, I would hope you agree, like, really egregious things that [4:55] you've said in the past about the Holocaust or about, you know. [4:59] Do the Jews ever talk about the 100 million whites that died in World War II? [5:02] Or do they just bitch and moan about the so-called 6 million Jews that died? [5:06] And so it's just nice to poke holes in it and say, it's not 6 million. [5:10] 6 million? [5:10] I don't think so. [5:11] And I don't even know, I think I've heard you since kind of rescind a lot of that. [5:16] You can see that 6 million Jews died in the Holocaust. [5:18] Possibly more. [5:19] Possibly, you know, we're discovering all the time. [5:22] So it could maybe even be more than that. [5:23] But what he agrees with is kind of the anger. [5:26] The anger about the situation that particularly your generation finds yourself in. [5:30] I know that to be real. [5:32] And I think that there, you know, maybe my reasons for recognizing that anger is being [5:38] legitimate and my targets are different than yours. [5:42] I just wanted to hear from you. [5:43] When you say you're canceled, you're canceled by the right in 2016. [5:48] I almost felt like in preparing to meet you now is that your reaction to that was to just [5:55] dig deeper and deeper into kind of the outsider kind of radical say anything for the purpose [6:03] of generating, you know, the attention to build an audience. [6:07] Is that true? [6:08] And it's not an accusation. [6:09] I really mean it. [6:10] I want this to be a conversation as much as possible. [6:12] I mean, that's there's certainly some truth to that, but I think that might be overstating [6:17] it a little bit because I really got canceled by the right and the left. [6:20] Yeah. [6:20] And back in those days in 2017, you had these far left journalists at the Huffington Post, [6:26] Right Wing Watch, ADL, SPLC. [6:28] And I really believe they were on a mission to find extremist rhetoric, the white nationalist, [6:35] neo-Nazi boogeyman, all that kind of stuff. [6:37] And they would look at someone like myself, 18, and if I was being serious or joking, [6:42] things taken out of context, they would clip it, post it, and they wanted me to be the [6:46] villain. [6:47] And I think they wanted a lot of people to be the villain. [6:49] I think the left in a way kind of created this climate where I think they pushed a lot [6:54] of people farther to the right. [6:55] By the way, that very well may be true, but you gave them a lot of ammunition. [7:00] That's true. [7:01] You know, I mean, I hope that some of those things that you said in the past are not things [7:08] that you believed in and that are, you meant just to engender like a really radical kind [7:15] of response. [7:16] I mean, is that true or? [7:18] Well, you know, again, I think that back in those days, you could not say anything. [7:22] In 2017, 2018, cancel culture was so in overdrive. [7:27] If any joke, any edgelording, anything like that, they would, first of all, there's no [7:32] sense of humor. [7:32] See, I'm so old. [7:33] I don't even, what's edgelording? [7:34] Okay, well, to break it down for you, so the dawn of wokeness, as it's known today, I [7:37] think was in like the post-Trump era, after Trump won the election in 2016, there was [7:41] a big movement to de-platform and kind of push away those who, I guess, the left feel like [7:45] had galvanized them into the presidency. [7:47] So there was this big idea that if you push people off mainstream social media platforms, they [7:51] would go away. [7:52] Now, we know through Trump's re-election, that's not even true. [7:55] But at the time, that was the mantra. [7:57] Problematic viewpoints needed to be silenced, tucked away somewhere, and they would just [8:00] sort of die in isolation. [8:01] So I think that that was the climate where you first got started, 2017. [8:05] That time period was like crucial for getting people off mainstream platforms. [8:09] Is that correct? [8:09] Yeah, and I would say that you got to get into the psychology of those days. [8:13] It felt like anybody that wasn't on board with the most progressive agenda had no options. [8:19] There was just no alternative. [8:20] It was going to be progressive, liberal, feminist, BLM, all that kind of stuff. [8:24] And if you were to the right of John McCain, you're no-platformed, censored, banned from [8:29] all the platforms. [8:30] You're fired from your job. [8:31] You're ostracized socially. [8:33] And I think what happened really in 2021 when Trump got banned from the platforms is it [8:38] felt like 70 million people got canceled. [8:40] 70 million people had voted for Trump or, you know, 60, 70 million people. [8:44] We were all felt like, oh, so if Trump is out of politics and we're all banned from the [8:48] platforms, then how is there any redress for our grievances? [8:52] Do we just have to shut up and get with the program and we're all going to be progressive? [8:56] And I think that that drove people to a far more radical place where people said, well, [9:01] what really is a solution? [9:02] We can't talk. [9:03] We can't express ourselves. [9:04] We can't participate in the process or run for office. [9:07] And I was one of the people saying that's exactly what's going to happen. [9:10] It's going to drive people to extremism. [9:12] If you don't talk, if people don't feel like they have a seat at the table and enfranchisement, [9:16] I think then they start exploring options outside the system, outside of the political [9:21] process, the democratic process. [9:24] So I think it's self-inflicted in many ways. [9:25] So you feel like after the Masty platforming in 2021, whenever people on the right got pushed [9:30] to platforms like Parler, Gab, Rumble, et cetera, the lack of discourse and like the political [9:34] singularity of those platforms created more extremism. [9:37] Absolutely. [9:37] Absolutely. [9:38] Because look, you take Trump off of Twitter, Facebook, Instagram, YouTube. [9:42] And I predicted this in 21. [9:44] I said, watch, you're going to see alternative social media rise because some venture capitalists [9:49] are going to see there's a huge market of 70 million people that are going to follow Trump [9:53] because Trump is no platform. [9:55] And that's exactly what happened. [9:57] Rumble blew up. [9:58] Elon bought Twitter. [9:59] And what happened when you had total free speech on these platforms? [10:02] Well, Twitter now resembles 4chan. [10:05] And now, you know, there's no gatekeepers. [10:07] And I think it did push people in a radical direction. [10:10] And honestly, people are even blowing past me. [10:12] Now there's like mainstream normie types that are even blowing past me in terms of how radical [10:17] they are. [10:18] People start saying things like there's no political solution. [10:21] There's going to be a civil war. [10:22] We need a revolution. [10:23] And I think that's because the message from the left was you're crushed. [10:27] You have no options. [10:28] You can't win. [10:29] There's no alternative. [10:30] Trump is going to be indicted and charged and can't run. [10:33] You can't be on Twitter. [10:34] You can't have a job. [10:35] And so people started to say, OK, well, you know, we still exist. [10:39] We're still here. [10:40] We still have these concerns. [10:41] What do we do now? [10:42] And then people start to say, well, we need a revolution. [10:44] And I'm one of the only people saying, no, we should still engage in the process and talk [10:48] with each other. [10:49] And it's not all one sided. [10:50] I think there's problems on the left and the right. [10:52] But I certainly think it takes two to take out. [10:54] OK, so there we agree. [10:55] I think that there are problems on the left and the right. [10:57] And I don't disagree with with some of the things that you just said. [11:01] I guess I just came to a different conclusion that there are some things that people should [11:07] be deplatformed for. [11:08] Not that they can't say it where they want to say it, but I think that it's a right of [11:12] anybody. [11:12] OK, top three things. [11:13] What do you think? [11:14] There's a difference between being able to say that you're proud of your white heritage [11:17] and also being just a flat out racist. [11:20] I think that there's a difference between saying you're proud of your Christian heritage and [11:25] the white culture from what you come from and Nazis or that you adopt the Nazism [11:30] as a legitimate ideology. [11:32] I think that there's a difference between saying that you disagree with the United States [11:38] policy as it relates to Israel and saying that the Holocaust didn't exist. [11:42] I was like, Mom, Dad, Hitler was awesome. [11:44] Hitler was right. [11:46] And the Holocaust didn't happen. [11:48] And my parents were like, we cannot believe. [11:52] Those are my those would be top three things in my mind. [11:55] I know that you believe that some people took you out of context. [12:00] And I do. [12:01] I do agree. [12:02] Look, I'm both the right and the left. [12:04] There are these gatekeepers, 100 percent. [12:07] And look at me. [12:08] The mainstream press just destroyed me for seven years without any real kind of reflection [12:14] about what they were doing. [12:15] I do think that, you know, some of those things are legitimate reasons to say, you know, we don't [12:22] want you on our, you know, on a commercial platform. [12:24] Would you agree with that? [12:26] I mean, you just said, for instance, people calling for a like an armed revolution, like [12:31] people calling for actual violence. [12:33] You're opposed to. [12:34] Oh, absolutely. [12:35] Yeah. [12:35] I'm against violence. [12:36] And I do think those are one of the legitimate things that should be taken from the platform. [12:40] You know, there's a lot of this stuff on social media I don't agree with. [12:43] But again, you know, what started to happen is there was this like editorial censorship [12:47] where certain ideas were banned. [12:49] And they just it was such a broad brush and also totally opaque and ad hoc. [12:56] You'd be on YouTube like I was, for example. [12:59] They banned me for life and didn't even give me a reason. [13:02] Not a specific quote, not a specific infraction. [13:05] And so you don't know what the rules are. [13:07] You don't know what the process is. [13:08] They just take you down. [13:09] And especially now when everything is digital, that's not just the social platforms. [13:14] It's the other ones like Uber, Airbnb, whatever. [13:17] It feels like you're being denied almost something like a civil right. [13:20] These the social platforms are the modern public square. [13:23] Increasingly with Uber, Airbnb, the banking apps, you can't live your life without the [13:28] tech platforms. [13:28] And it felt like if you just simply had the wrong opinions or you were the wrong kind of [13:32] person, you were being deprived of like a basic civil right or being able to participate [13:36] in society. [13:37] So, you know, and I think maybe that's an area of collaboration where we recognize maybe [13:41] it is a civil right to use the digital platforms. [13:44] But here are the rules. [13:46] Here's what you can say. [13:47] Here's what you can't say. [13:48] Here's the process. [13:49] Maybe there's a reconciliation mechanism. [13:51] But I mean, the censorship was just out of control. [13:53] I don't think anyone disagrees. [13:55] There's a reasonable limit, though. [13:56] Yeah, no, I guess what I'm saying is that I don't see that as a result of left wing or [14:02] right wing ideology. [14:03] I view that kind of level of deplatforming. [14:07] Look, I was debanked. [14:08] I was debanked before I was ever even charged with anything. [14:11] I lost every bank account. [14:13] It took me, you know, nine months once they, you know, the Trump administration, you know, [14:18] said that they were starting an investigation into me to be able to actually get a bank account [14:22] again. [14:23] And I still I don't want to tell you the bank because tomorrow they may debank me again. [14:28] But my point is, is that those people are incredibly identifiable. [14:33] I always I keep like I've been talking and going around and I say things like I don't [14:38] think we are nearly as divided as they're telling us we are, because I do believe that there [14:42] is there are an identifiable group of people that are responsible for an enormous amount [14:49] of the discord and division because they make money off of it. [14:52] I think that these social media companies that are controlled by, what, three, four, [14:56] five, you know, individuals have made it clear that they only care about one thing. [15:01] They only care about how much money they can produce for themselves and, you know, the people [15:06] that hold stocks in their company. [15:07] Even to the degree where we know for certain that they're driving teenage girls to the highest [15:15] levels of suicide by a factor like exponential factors directly related to the content that [15:21] they're being pushed and they won't do anything about it. [15:23] Right. [15:24] And so to the same degree, I think they, you know, a lot of what you call wokeness was [15:30] a maybe an illegitimate, but a financial decision based on a lot of these. [15:36] Corporate psyop, maybe. [15:37] Corporate psyop. [15:38] Thank you. [15:39] I mean, by the way, exactly. [15:42] You know, I mean. [15:42] I just wanted to back up real quick. [15:43] So you talked about certain people going too far. [15:45] About two and a half months ago, I visited a whites only community in Hardy, Arkansas. [15:49] And I don't know why, I guess coming from like a more like left wing place, I'm from [15:52] Seattle. [15:52] I kind of assumed there was like a united front on the right for some reason. [15:55] So I'm out there. [15:56] I'm chilling with these dudes. [15:57] They're like sword fighting, having barbecues. [15:58] It was, I mean, overall was a good time for them. [16:00] I had a hard time connecting with them because I don't agree with them, but it's all good. [16:03] I was having fun for a couple of days. [16:04] And then like, right as I was there, I guess you had hit them up on X or something and said [16:08] like, Hey, I don't want to associate with you guys. [16:10] What happened there? [16:11] Well, that was really more of a personal disagreement with the guy that founded it. [16:15] Yeah. [16:15] But I do think it's an interesting project and it's interesting that that got so much [16:19] pushback, this whites only community, because you know what? [16:22] If you go to a lot of these different neighborhoods in major cities, there are ethnic enclaves. [16:27] And it's not like there's an explicit rule that you have to be a certain ethnicity, but [16:31] we all know in Chicago and New York and LA, you got certain neighborhoods where it is [16:36] 80, 90% one ethnicity. [16:38] Yeah. [16:39] And I think there's a lot of white people that say, we kind of want something similar. [16:42] I don't think there's anything- [16:44] But Nick- [16:45] Okay, let's back up. [16:46] If you want to talk about the histories of New York and Chicago, I feel like that was also [16:49] a conscious decision that was made after the Civil Rights Act. [16:51] I tell you where it's blacks only, it's in Cabrini-Green, where Mayor Daley made everybody [16:55] that was black live in Cabrini-Green. [16:57] I mean, it's not, that wasn't by choice, it's not by choice that these ethnic enclaves are [17:03] 80 or 90%, whatever that ethnicity is, it's because that's the only place in which they [17:08] had an opportunity to live unbothered, or where they were told that they had to live, because [17:14] of the historical fact that they could not move into other neighborhoods. [17:18] You could not move into parts of South Chicago without, you know, being stoned. [17:24] Right. [17:24] Literally, right? [17:25] And so, like, so it's not as if those ethnic enclaves are there by choice, you know, and [17:32] so that- [17:33] Also, ethnic enclaves do exist for, like, specific variations of different Europeans. [17:37] Like, you know, there is, like, places that are chocolate, like, South Philly is full of [17:40] Italians, you know- [17:41] There's a little Italy, and there's a little Korea, and there's a little Japan. [17:43] I think the issue, what I always like, what confused me the most about the whites-only [17:47] community is, like, there's just so many different kinds of white people in America. [17:50] You know, so, like, to establish a unified white culture with a place so diverse and full [17:53] of, like, different regional flavors just kind of felt confusing to me, because that [17:56] can mean a different thing depending on what part of the country or what European enclave [18:00] you originated from. [18:01] Like, we're Irish people from the Philly area. [18:03] Can you compare that to, like, you know, surfers in San Diego or even, like, you know, Italian [18:07] Americans in Staten Island? [18:08] I don't know. [18:09] Everything just feels so different. [18:10] So, when I got there, I was trying to identify what they meant by white culture. [18:13] It wasn't really based on shared, like, cultural practices, but more the exclusion of people [18:18] who weren't white. [18:18] So, they weren't, like, stoked on being European, necessarily. [18:21] They were more just like, oh, we're here because those people aren't here. [18:23] So, it just kind of felt more negative than constructive. [18:25] Yeah, I mean, like I said, I'm not really involved with that project in particular, but [18:29] I think that, look, I mean, you talk about the anger that's out there and the frustration, [18:33] and I think part of the frustration, let's be honest, is that white people do feel like [18:37] we are being boxed out in major cities in the country, and it feels like, look, there's [18:42] a little Haiti, and there's these various ethnic enclaves where you get that local culture, [18:47] and they do their, you know, cultural festivals and that sort of thing, and white people feel [18:51] like they're being pushed out, and they want a space where things are familiar. [18:54] Do you feel the same way about the Italian festival that happens in every city? [18:58] Well, here's a good example. [19:00] Or St. Patrick's Day? [19:01] Well, you know, there's no Irish neighborhood in Chicago. [19:04] Little Italy. [19:04] Sure there is. [19:05] I mean, there's some remnant in Bridgeport. [19:08] It's important to note that, like, and I'm not trying to get into a shouting match here, [19:11] but, like, you know, as a family who did, coming from a family who did leave Philadelphia [19:14] in the 60s because of black migration from the South after the Civil Rights Act was passed, [19:19] there was a sort of, like, mass flight of white people into the suburbs, and that kind [19:23] of led to a homogenization of different cultures because they rushed so fast to build these, [19:26] like, identical strip mall suburbs that it was very hard to maintain cultural bonds that [19:31] made different European and white neighborhoods unique around, like, the 1950s and before. [19:35] So I feel like the mass suburbanization is also a big factor that led to those, like, [19:39] cultural bonds breaking. [19:40] Yeah, but why did that happen? [19:41] I mean, a lot of the suburbanization is because of the race riots in the 1960s. [19:46] People moved out because of the violence. [19:48] You know, my grandfather was in the National Guard in Chicago when, after MLK got assassinated, [19:52] the whole West Side burned to the ground. [19:54] Yeah. [19:54] And people didn't want to be around that anymore. [19:56] Why were the riots? [19:57] Yeah, MLK Jr. was assassinated. [19:59] Yeah. [20:00] Yeah. [20:01] And so does that justify burning down the city? [20:03] No, I didn't say it justifies it, but it sure justifies an enormous amount of the anger, [20:08] the same kind of anger that you feel about being left out, the same kind of anger that [20:11] you're expressing right now about the idea that you're culturally irrelevant, that you [20:17] don't have a place in society. [20:19] Imagine if you were a 26-year-old black man in 1968 and saw your hero be assassinated. [20:26] I saw Trump get shot in the ear. [20:28] Did he? [20:29] And I saw Charlie Kirk get shot, and I didn't see any cities get burned down. [20:32] It's funny how that works. [20:33] I think it's a very, very, very different thing. [20:35] I think it's an absolutely different thing. [20:36] Charlie Kirk got shot in the neck. [20:37] Yeah. [20:38] And liberals celebrated all over social media by Tyler Robinson. [20:42] Yeah. [20:42] Who is what? [20:43] Who is some liberal guy. [20:45] He is? [20:46] Mm-hmm. [20:48] He's got a transgender boyfriend. [20:49] Does that make him liberal? [20:50] Because he's transgender? [20:52] Because he's gay? [20:53] Well, because he's got a transgender boyfriend, yeah. [20:55] I think so. [20:56] It makes him liberal. [20:57] I think he was liberal, yeah. [20:59] Okay. [20:59] Well, he didn't come from a liberal family. [21:01] He didn't come from a liberal enclave. [21:03] He didn't come from a liberal background. [21:05] He's not a minority. [21:06] He was a Mormon, correct? [21:08] Mm-hmm. [21:08] And grew up in a Mormon household, and he went to a largely Mormon college. [21:12] Mm-hmm. [21:12] And he ended up committing an act of violence, according to the FBI and the authorities in [21:20] Utah that charged him. [21:21] How does that in any way compare to what we're talking about? [21:25] I'm not justifying the violence that occurred after the death of Martin Luther King, but [21:29] you're saying that that person, this Tyler, whoever his name is, was as disenfranchised [21:37] as the African-American community in 1968 in inner cities? [21:42] Well, the question is who we want to live around. [21:44] I'm not living around blacks. [21:45] Sorry. [21:46] I want white kids, and I don't want my white kids bringing home black people to marry. [21:51] And in the 1960s, the West Side burns down. [21:54] We don't want to live around that. [21:55] We don't want to live around a city that's burning around. [21:57] That's not when the white flight happened. [21:59] It is. [21:59] No, it is not. [21:59] It was a big response to it. [22:01] Absolutely. [22:01] 100% not. [22:02] Absolutely. [22:03] You make these historical connections that don't exist. [22:06] Part of it was potentially, but before that, what Mayor Daley did is made Chicago the most [22:13] segregated city in the entire United States, other than Boston. [22:16] When you would come from the South to Chicago, African-Americans from the South, blacks in [22:21] the South coming to Chicago would say that Chicago was twice the level of segregation and [22:27] racism that occurred in the South. [22:29] And so it wasn't as if you're coming into a situation in which you're feeling in any way [22:34] enfranchised by the community and the situation that you're in. [22:37] And as many people left simply because of the idea that someone was black moving into [22:43] their neighborhood as the violence that occurred after the assassination of Martin Luther King. [22:47] So the numbers actually, pre-1968 when King was shot, you had more people leave the city [22:54] because of the desegregation, because of the 1964 Civil Rights Act than you did after the riots. [23:02] I think that's just not true. [23:03] I think that the race riots were a huge driver of white flight to the suburbs. [23:07] I think it's just dishonest to say that's not the case. [23:09] Okay. [23:09] So what's your point about all of this? [23:11] Well, we're talking about where people want to live. [23:13] Yeah, I know. [23:13] So like in 2026, what's the point? [23:16] Okay. [23:16] How about in 2020 when Minneapolis burned to the ground? [23:19] Or how about in the summer of 2020 in Chicago? [23:22] Minneapolis didn't burn to the ground. [23:24] It didn't? [23:25] No. [23:25] I mean, there were parts of it. [23:27] If you guys need a physical witness to what happened in Minneapolis, there were many structures [23:32] that burned to the ground, not the city, but there was, I would say, between 40 to 50 buildings [23:36] off of Lake Street in the South Side that did burn to the ground. [23:39] But most of the city was intact, but it was quite an intense situation. [23:42] People don't want to live around that. [23:44] People don't want to live around that. [23:45] You know, in Chicago, it rolled on into the summer. [23:47] And it wasn't, you know, let's say, the anger of the oppressed and the disenfranchised. [23:53] So they were looting. [23:54] They were looting and carjacking. [23:55] Who's they? [23:56] The criminals. [23:57] Are you saying that the problem with the 26-year-old white kid living in suburbia outside of Chicago [24:04] and his feeling of being disenfranchised is because there was looting and rioting in Minneapolis [24:10] by black people, and it's black people that are doing it? [24:13] Yeah. [24:13] I mean, the problem with Austin Metcalfe was that he got stabbed in the neck at a track meet. [24:18] And the problem with our city in Chicago is that the Magnificent Mile is gone. [24:22] Water Tower Place is gone because of all the crime. [24:24] Nick, in the time of an entire generation of African-Americans is that they've been getting [24:29] killed by cops for decades. [24:31] That's just not true. [24:31] What are you talking about, Nick? [24:33] They commit crime. [24:35] And listen, listen, it's not... [24:37] Nick. [24:37] What? [24:38] That's not true. [24:39] It's not true. [24:39] Are you saying the police brutality as it relates and racism in the police force, in [24:43] the way in which police treat African-Americans? [24:46] Nick, you could grow up here like I did between Wilmington and Philadelphia. [24:50] And if you are a black dentist and you lived in Wilmington and you commuted to Philadelphia, [24:55] the chances of you being pulled over by a state trooper, either Delaware or in Pennsylvania, [25:00] are about 50 times that would be if it was a white guy. [25:03] 50 times. [25:04] And so what you're trying to tell me is that the problem in America right now is that, [25:09] a 26-year-old white kid who lives in suburban Chicago doesn't feel like he has access because [25:16] he's been canceled or he's been woke. [25:18] And the problem is black people. [25:20] I didn't say the problem is black people. [25:22] Well, you just did, Nick. [25:23] You just said... [25:23] I said the problem is crime. [25:24] And we know who's doing the crime in Chicago. [25:26] The carjackings, shootings, teen takeovers. [25:29] We know why there's no business on the Mag Mile anymore. [25:32] And it's because they steal cars. [25:33] They drive them through windows. [25:34] And listen, black people are some of the biggest victims of the black crime. [25:38] But we're not allowed to talk about it because of the racial dimension. [25:41] What do you mean you're not allowed to talk about it? [25:42] We're talking about it right here. [25:43] You have a platform in which millions of people listen to you, Dick. [25:45] I think he is. [25:46] Well, after Elon had to buy Twitter and open it up. [25:50] It wasn't like that before. [25:51] I was banned from everything for many years. [25:53] So, no, you weren't allowed it. [25:54] You're right. [25:55] We can talk about it now. [25:56] But that's only because the good guys won. [25:57] Hey, hey, what's up, guys? [25:59] There's something I forgot to tell you about. [26:00] We also just launched our own streaming platform called C5.now. [26:04] We have five films on there right now. [26:07] Film number one, The Art of Protest, made by the homies over at Indicline, [26:10] who we interviewed a few months back. [26:12] Film two, rat film by Theo Anthony, set in Baltimore, [26:15] investigates the lives and times of the rodent population [26:18] through the eyes of the people who love the rats of Baltimore, [26:21] study the rats of Baltimore, [26:22] or are paid to execute and trap the rodents of Charm City. [26:27] Documentary number three, Star Cash by Haley Garregas, [26:30] an amazing Wall Street documentary [26:32] that follows the lives of market predictors. [26:34] That's right, stock analysts who stare at the planets [26:37] to figure out what's going to happen with the money. [26:39] Documentary number four, it's called Physician, Heal Thyself [26:42] by director Asher Penn, [26:44] a fascinating lifelong profile featuring tons of archival footage [26:47] documenting a physician, psychiatrist, philosopher, [26:51] sorcerer of the mind named Gabor Mate. [26:54] Very influential dude as far as addiction and trauma and healing. [26:57] He's about as good as it gets. [26:58] He's the top dog in that realm. [27:00] So check that documentary out. [27:01] Documentary number five is my own. [27:03] Had to put my own sauce on there to get the train moving. [27:06] It is called Finding Orson, [27:08] a 45-minute documentary that I shot over the course of a year and a half, [27:11] trying to reunite a beloved friend and elderly community member [27:15] named Rick Shore with his lost parrot named Orson. [27:18] Maybe he's just too embarrassed to admit that he doesn't want the bird anymore. [27:22] So those are the five films on C5.now. [27:24] A totally independent, creator-residual-forward, [27:27] power-to-the-people documentary platform, [27:29] not gate-kept by Hollywood. [27:31] And what's unique about C5.now is that unlike the major studios, [27:35] we're not afraid to take a risk. [27:37] And of course, pay creators fairly. [27:39] The link is in the pinned comment and description box of this video. [27:42] And most importantly, it's not just a website. [27:45] It's an app on your phone and a smart TV app. [27:47] So get your popcorn, get your remote, sit down. [27:50] It's time to learn. [27:51] I'll see you guys soon. [27:52] You went from being banned on Twitter to being on YouTube [28:03] to creating an entire show. [28:05] I know you're not, but now you have Kik [28:06] and now you have all of these other things. [28:08] You have an enormous platform. [28:09] I want to find common ground of how much of a shithead Donald Trump is. [28:14] We can get there. [28:15] That's right. [28:16] What I don't understand is how you didn't recognize that in 2016 [28:20] and how you didn't recognize that in 2020 [28:23] and how you didn't recognize that in 2024 [28:25] because Donald Trump hasn't changed. [28:27] I did in 2024. [28:27] Because Donald Trump hasn't changed. [28:29] Donald Trump hasn't changed at all. [28:30] Donald Trump has been Donald Trump [28:32] since he came out of the womb of a woman [28:34] that was an immigrant to this country. [28:37] And so what I want to know, though, [28:39] is that I don't know how we get past this idea [28:43] that the biggest problem that you have [28:45] with your personal situation [28:48] and how you extrapolate that to the situation [28:51] of other white kids that are your age [28:53] that feel disenfranchised, that feel left out, [28:56] that feel they don't have a shot at the American dream [28:59] is because of black and brown people, [29:02] because of Mexicans, because of Venezuelans, [29:04] because of Haitians, because of... [29:06] It's always other, Nick, with you, it seems to me. [29:08] And I've listened to a lot of this stuff. [29:09] It's always them. [29:10] We need to build a wall. [29:11] Where's the wall, Nick? [29:12] He never built the wall. [29:13] Why'd you vote for him in 2020? [29:15] Why'd you vote for him in 2024? [29:16] I didn't vote for him in 2024. [29:18] Okay, well, okay. [29:18] My point being is that whenever you identify [29:22] your problem as being something that is other, [29:25] that you can point to, that's a minority, [29:27] that is a group of people, that's the Jews, [29:30] it's the... [29:31] I mean, before, remember, all of us, [29:33] you know, it was the Irish Catholics [29:35] who were all committing the crime, [29:36] who weren't allowed into bars, [29:38] who weren't allowed into... [29:39] Because you know why? [29:40] Because they were dirty, poor, non-Europeans. [29:42] They were Irish. [29:43] Every time, it's wrong. [29:45] Every time, history has proven that that's to be wrong [29:47] in the United States of America. [29:49] Every time. [29:50] Inclusion has been our greatest strength. [29:52] Diversity has been our greatest strength. [29:54] And I hear you talk about this idea of white culture. [29:57] What fucking white culture are you talking about, man? [29:59] What, literally, what white... [30:01] Shakespeare, Dante, Mozart. [30:02] We're in Philadelphia, the founding fathers. [30:04] Yeah. [30:05] That's your white culture. [30:05] How about the Count of Monte Cristo? [30:07] Would you consider that part of our white culture? [30:09] Sure. [30:10] Okay, well, it was written by a black man [30:11] in France in the 1700s. [30:13] In a milieu of European civilization. [30:15] So what? [30:16] So what? [30:17] It's not white or black, Nick. [30:17] Because you're picking out one example. [30:19] It really is. [30:20] I'm not just picking out one example, Nick. [30:20] It really is. [30:21] Listen. [30:22] Nick, I'm not. [30:23] I really am not. [30:23] Hey, guys, I think we're reaching [30:24] what's called a rock in a hard place. [30:27] Let's talk about it in real. [30:28] No, we're not. [30:29] Well, let me respond to this [30:30] because you're telling me [30:31] I'm always blaming the other. [30:32] No, no, Nick, for real, for real. [30:34] Here's the thing. [30:36] Is that the way that you talk [30:37] and throw out these historical facts, [30:39] which, by the way, aren't fucking facts. [30:41] Oh, which ones aren't facts? [30:42] Well, as it relates to [30:45] the civil rights movement in 1968, [30:47] and the reason why we're all in the problem [30:49] that we're in [30:49] is because the Civil Rights Act [30:51] had passed in 1964. [30:53] Dr. Martin Luther King was killed [30:54] and shot by a white racist, [30:57] white supremacist in 1968 [30:58] on a balcony of a motel. [31:00] That's the root of our trouble [31:01] because an entire people [31:03] that have been disenfranchised [31:04] and enslaved for over 400 years. [31:06] We're sick of hearing about that, though. [31:08] It's 2026. [31:08] You may be sick of hearing about it, [31:10] but you know what? [31:11] They aren't. [31:12] And I'll tell you what, Nick, [31:13] and here's the other thing. [31:14] Get over it. [31:14] Get over it. [31:15] It's America. [31:15] But, Nick, you keep... [31:17] You can say stuff like that, okay, [31:19] without having to say it like that. [31:21] And we... [31:21] Look, this is... [31:22] That's not how it started, though. [31:23] This is a legitimate argument, [31:24] but it's... [31:25] Oh, Nick. [31:26] Guys, Nick, Hunter, [31:27] what do you guys make [31:27] of the concept of community collapse? [31:29] Have you guys heard of this? [31:30] No. [31:30] So it's got nothing to do with race, [31:32] it's got nothing to do with money, [31:33] but this is kind of a crazy stat. [31:34] So in 2019, before COVID, [31:36] 76% of Americans said [31:37] they were part of an in-person community [31:39] that gave them some kind of value. [31:40] After COVID, and this year, [31:41] it was 19%. [31:42] So I think that politics and race aside, [31:45] one of the biggest issues [31:46] is the collapse of social bonds, [31:47] third spaces, communities, [31:49] in-person engagement, [31:50] which comes with loneliness, [31:52] more time online, [31:52] and more division. [31:53] I understand that. [31:54] I feel like you guys [31:54] aren't going to agree. [31:55] I want to talk about [31:56] what you guys think can be done [31:57] on an individual and community level [31:58] to stop people from hating each other [32:00] and to create more belonging [32:02] and engagement. [32:02] Well, number one, [32:04] I think this. [32:05] Okay, for real. [32:06] Podcasting. [32:07] No, no, not podcasting. [32:08] This discussion. [32:09] For me to be able to sit down [32:10] with someone who I so vehemently disagree with [32:13] and find some kind of common ground. [32:15] But I mean, guy at home. [32:16] Guy at home who's watching us on his phone [32:18] just thinking, [32:19] I wish I could go outside, [32:19] but I don't know anyone. [32:20] Okay, well, here's what I'm talking about. [32:22] It's all about connection. [32:23] It is all about actually connecting with people. [32:25] And I'm not talking about [32:25] digitally connecting with people [32:27] anonymously online. [32:28] I'm talking about actually going out [32:30] and connecting with people. [32:31] And I don't have an answer to that. [32:33] I don't, any of us, [32:34] we are in a, [32:35] look, man, [32:36] I just think that you are targeting [32:37] the wrong problem, Nick. [32:39] I think that our biggest problem right now [32:41] doesn't have to do with a, [32:44] this cultural divide or racial divide [32:46] or religious divide [32:48] or the idea that America is becoming less white [32:51] or culturally relevant anymore. [32:54] I think our biggest problem is, [32:56] is literally an oligarchy [32:58] that is inflaming every single division [33:02] that we have. [33:02] And by the way, [33:03] and they're out for you, man. [33:05] Just as much as anybody else. [33:06] Why not agree? [33:07] So those platforms that we talk about [33:09] that you're not allowed to be on [33:10] because Elon's out on the platform. [33:12] Elon doesn't give a shit about anything [33:13] other than one thing. [33:14] But Hunter, I just want to say, [33:15] real quick. [33:16] Money. [33:16] It's his money. [33:17] I don't necessarily even agree with that. [33:18] Okay, well, you may not agree with that [33:20] because you don't want to piss off Elon much. [33:22] Elon doesn't even like me, [33:23] but I just disagree. [33:24] You're talking about the oligarchy, right? [33:25] Like these billionaires, right? [33:26] Yeah. [33:26] Like the goal of corporate capture [33:28] of these industries is community collapse. [33:30] They are trying to engineer things [33:31] to make it antisocial. [33:32] They want to eliminate [33:33] every single small business. [33:34] They want to make everyone [33:35] a single person shopper, [33:38] no carpooling, [33:39] like to be a lonely consumer [33:40] who only buys things for themselves online [33:43] and doesn't talk to anyone in real life. [33:44] That's what they want in real life. [33:45] Like all this data center shit, [33:47] like everything they're doing [33:47] is in a way trying to break up [33:50] in-person engagement. [33:51] And I feel like for you guys, [33:52] it might be hard to answer [33:53] because both of you guys [33:54] are what they call [33:54] like controversial public figures. [33:56] Like there's places that you, [33:57] like in 2018, [33:58] if you were to go to a dive bar [33:59] in let's say Poplar Bluff, Missouri, [34:01] you would have been in danger. [34:02] You know what I mean? [34:02] At that time. [34:03] For you, you were in danger [34:04] physically in a left-wing city. [34:06] It's just the truth. [34:08] So I feel like you guys [34:09] have been deprived of the ability [34:10] to have normal lives. [34:12] You especially, you know, [34:13] but I mean you in general, [34:14] but I feel like, you know, [34:15] your controversies [34:15] came a little bit later in life. [34:16] For you, I feel like [34:17] you haven't even been able [34:18] to grow up as a normal person. [34:19] Is that accurate to say? [34:20] Yeah, that's true. [34:20] Well, and in terms of, [34:22] you know, building community back [34:23] and everything like that, [34:24] you know, the data says [34:25] that really the loss of society [34:27] is the fact that [34:28] we don't encounter people anymore. [34:30] For example, on your way to work [34:31] or, you know, [34:32] in ways that are unexpected. [34:33] People wake up in their house, [34:35] which is separate from everybody else. [34:36] They get in their car by themselves, [34:38] drive to work by themselves, [34:40] you know, and then they meet [34:41] with their colleagues and everything, [34:42] but then they go right home, [34:43] go home, have a beer, [34:44] watch Netflix until they go to bed. [34:46] Next day starts all over again. [34:47] And so, you know, [34:48] I think it has a lot to do [34:50] with maybe how we structure the cities. [34:51] I think honestly, a big part of it, [34:54] there's like this abundance mindset [34:56] with liberals. [34:56] Liberals want to have prosperity [34:58] and everything like that. [34:59] How can you have that [35:00] when the cities are not safe? [35:02] I think that one of the ways, [35:03] for example, [35:04] if you want to have those encounters [35:06] that are unplanned or spontaneous, [35:08] they're going to happen [35:09] maybe on the subway, [35:10] on the bus, [35:11] on your way to work. [35:12] People don't want to ride [35:12] the subway anymore. [35:13] People don't want to ride the bus. [35:15] They don't feel like it's safe. [35:15] I just feel that if you look at the data, [35:16] like right now, 2026, [35:18] I think 2025 had the lowest homicide rate [35:20] of any year in America [35:21] for like the past four years. [35:22] I feel like if you compare data [35:24] from the 90s, [35:24] like the cities, [35:25] I get what you're saying, [35:26] but the cities I have noticed [35:27] are a lot safer. [35:28] They're also becoming more expensive [35:30] as well as it could have something to do with it. [35:31] You're absolutely right. [35:32] It's a really, [35:32] what you're saying, Nick, [35:34] is impossible to refute, right? [35:36] Because everybody has an experience [35:38] with violence or witnessing crime [35:41] or whether it's just [35:43] in their local newspaper or not. [35:44] Is that I don't think [35:45] that that is in any way [35:47] limited to only urban environments. [35:49] I take the top 10 poorest red states [35:52] in the country [35:53] and their crime rates [35:54] are 10 times [35:55] what many urban centers are. [35:58] So you'd be comparing [35:59] like West Virginia, [36:00] cold country, [36:00] disenfranchised [36:01] to like an urban neighborhood. [36:02] Yeah. [36:02] In terms of per capita crime, [36:04] in terms of per capita murder, [36:06] in terms of per capita [36:07] child sexual abuse. [36:08] Yeah. [36:09] I think the things [36:10] that people really care about, [36:11] you know, [36:12] things like that [36:12] is their own personal safety. [36:14] It is not limited [36:15] to African-American urban [36:17] or Latino-American urban environments. [36:20] I know it's not. [36:21] It exists. [36:22] Carjackings do happen, [36:23] but you know where they happen? [36:24] They happen in Bluxy, Mississippi, [36:26] just as much as they happen in Chicago. [36:28] I'm skeptical of that. [36:29] I mean, [36:29] I just think the idea [36:30] of like safety, [36:31] like safety at risk crime [36:32] has been, [36:33] I feel like media [36:33] has overblown [36:34] that level of danger. [36:35] You know everybody's gonna [36:35] fact check both of us [36:37] on this. [36:38] But I agree with you. [36:39] But my point about it, [36:41] all of it is though, [36:42] is that you can always point [36:43] to a reason, Nick. [36:44] There's never been a time [36:46] in which there hasn't been crime [36:48] in major urban areas [36:50] where you pack [36:51] a lot of people in. [36:51] You're right though, [36:53] is that the difference [36:54] between us feeling [36:56] like each other [36:56] are neighbors [36:57] and that we can find [36:59] some common ground [37:00] is the fact, [37:01] you know, [37:01] you can live in existence now [37:03] by the time you're 56 years old [37:05] and never really have [37:06] to leave your house [37:07] to make a living, [37:08] to, you know, [37:09] you don't go [37:10] to the community center anymore. [37:11] And I don't know [37:12] how to fix that. [37:13] It all connects back [37:14] to politics, right? [37:15] Because community [37:16] is like an essential human need, [37:17] if not the most important thing. [37:18] So when you are deprived of that, [37:20] you're more likely [37:20] to look for a radical solution [37:21] and be like, [37:22] everything's broken. [37:23] We need to try something [37:23] really out there [37:24] so you might embrace [37:25] something more reactionary [37:27] on left or right [37:28] to be like, [37:29] fuck this, [37:29] you know, [37:30] we need something new. [37:31] And so, [37:31] and I'm not trying to draw [37:32] this like male loneliness, [37:33] like incel pipeline [37:34] that the media tries [37:35] to do all the time. [37:35] But do you see a connection there [37:37] between like people being lonely [37:38] and having less friends [37:39] and some cultural choice [37:40] taking over community value, [37:42] value systems, [37:42] or community engagement [37:43] and people just like [37:44] driving to the extreme? [37:46] 100%. [37:46] I think social dislocation [37:48] is probably the number one [37:49] problem of our times [37:50] because you look at [37:51] the young people [37:51] and you're right, [37:52] it is one of those [37:53] essential human needs [37:54] is to connect [37:55] and have that sense [37:56] of familiarity [37:56] to really, [37:57] to be seen, [37:58] to see and to be seen. [38:00] And that's something [38:00] young people don't have. [38:01] And I think, [38:02] by the way, [38:02] you look at the way [38:03] young people socialize [38:04] and even the mentality, [38:05] I think a lot of young people [38:07] have this absolute drive [38:08] to go to college. [38:09] Why? [38:10] It's an extension of high school. [38:11] And what do high school [38:11] and college have in common? [38:13] It's a community. [38:14] You're in the quad. [38:15] You can see and be seen. [38:17] There's sort of like [38:17] a status, reputation. [38:19] You're constantly involved [38:20] with other people. [38:21] And I think everybody, [38:22] young people, [38:23] look at when they graduate [38:24] from college [38:24] like falling off a cliff [38:25] and now life is over [38:26] because now you just [38:27] have your job, [38:28] the gym, [38:29] and going back home [38:29] and that's it. [38:30] And this is why [38:31] a lot of young people [38:31] then want to move [38:32] to the big cities. [38:33] Got to go to New York, [38:34] got to go to Chicago [38:35] or LA where it's happening [38:36] and they want to get a condo [38:37] or an apartment downtown [38:39] because they want to go [38:39] to the bar scene [38:40] and extend college [38:41] a little bit longer. [38:42] And I think that's just [38:44] not really a sustainable way [38:45] to have a society. [38:46] There has to be a way [38:47] for people to still [38:48] have that sense of community [38:49] outside of, let's say, [38:50] college and high school, [38:51] even into their adulthood [38:52] and then into their old age. [38:54] So, yeah, I mean, [38:55] that's one of the biggest [38:56] problems going on. [38:57] And I agree. [38:58] I think it drives, [38:59] even to your point [39:00] about the whites-only community [39:01] in Arkansas, [39:02] I think it is driving [39:03] these, let's call it [39:05] ghettoization [39:05] or insulation of people [39:07] going into these [39:08] artificial values-based communities. [39:10] Yeah. [39:11] Because where are you [39:11] going to find people? [39:12] Go online. [39:13] Go online, [39:14] start spouting about politics [39:15] or, you know, [39:16] even not just for incels [39:17] and right-wingers, [39:18] but even on the left. [39:19] Someone like Tyler Robinson, [39:20] he's on Discord. [39:21] He's on Discord [39:22] with all of the [39:23] Overwatch players [39:25] and all the LGBTQ [39:26] or whatever. [39:27] And I think that, [39:28] you know, [39:28] there's a tendency there [39:29] where everybody [39:30] kind of amplifies [39:31] some of the resentment [39:32] or feelings there. [39:33] So I agree, [39:34] that's a huge driver. [39:35] So for you, [39:35] like back in high school [39:36] when you were like [39:37] first kind of starting [39:37] to use the internet [39:38] and all that, [39:38] did you build [39:39] most of your community [39:40] in person outside Chicago [39:41] or was it mostly online? [39:42] When I was in high school [39:43] or college? [39:43] High school. [39:44] In high school, [39:44] I had real friends [39:45] in Model UN. [39:46] That was my favorite thing. [39:48] So that was- [39:48] But you were still creating [39:49] like some kind of content [39:50] at that time? [39:50] Not in high school, no. [39:51] Okay. [39:51] So you went to BU? [39:52] Yes. [39:53] Were most of your friends [39:53] like classmates there? [39:55] Like when did you start [39:56] to kind of build [39:56] your online persona [39:57] and community [39:58] around your content? [39:58] It wasn't until [39:59] I left college. [40:00] So to that point, [40:02] I had friends in college. [40:03] And then when I left college [40:04] and started my show [40:06] independently, [40:07] then it was all people online [40:09] and everybody I knew [40:09] was people from my community [40:11] for the most part. [40:12] But your cancellation [40:12] from mainstream platforms [40:14] was effectively [40:15] the same thing [40:16] as like a community collapse [40:17] for your personal life, right? [40:18] Yeah. [40:19] Well, I wouldn't even say [40:20] it was just the cancellation, [40:21] but even more just [40:22] returning home from college. [40:24] What do you think [40:24] would have happened to you [40:25] like career-wise [40:26] and personal life-wise [40:27] if you never [40:28] would have been mainstreamed? [40:29] I mean, I guess, [40:30] removed from major [40:31] social media platforms. [40:32] Oh, it'd be a lot easier [40:33] to make friends, let's say. [40:35] Because, you know, [40:36] being banned on Instagram, [40:37] you might as well be dead [40:38] in Generation Z. [40:39] That's how everybody [40:40] sees each other, [40:41] meets each other, [40:42] talks to each other. [40:43] So I think I'd probably [40:44] have a wider, [40:45] livelier circle. [40:46] Do you feel like you [40:47] like had less friends [40:48] after that? [40:49] No, I'd say it's [40:50] about the same. [40:50] No, but I mean, [40:51] you said that like [40:51] you feel like it would have [40:52] been easier to make friends. [40:53] It would have been easy [40:53] to make more friends. [40:54] Yeah, sure. [40:55] So aside from your career, [40:56] how is your like personal [40:57] and social life affected [40:58] in those following years? [40:59] Well, it's brutal, you know? [41:00] I mean, because everybody [41:02] that I knew from high school [41:03] is on Instagram, [41:04] on Facebook, [41:05] and I'm just not on there. [41:06] It's almost like [41:07] you're removed from the earth [41:08] for Generation Z. [41:09] I understand for older people, [41:11] for a different generation, [41:12] people still meet up [41:13] or stay in touch [41:14] in other ways. [41:14] But if you're not online [41:16] as a young person, [41:17] you might as well be dead. [41:18] Do you think you would have said [41:19] like some of the more extreme [41:20] things that you did say [41:21] if you, you know, [41:22] I guess were allowed [41:23] to remain [41:23] on the mainstream internet? [41:25] Absolutely, yeah. [41:25] Looking back, [41:26] and I'm not trying to get you [41:27] to like take something back [41:28] necessarily, [41:28] what's like one thing [41:29] that you said [41:29] when you were younger [41:30] where you're like, [41:30] fuck, I wish I could [41:31] take that back? [41:32] You know, [41:32] I don't know if I regret [41:34] what I've said. [41:35] It's just how you say it. [41:37] Yeah, like can you think [41:38] of an example of like [41:38] when you listen back [41:39] to something and you're like, [41:40] jeez, I wish I could. [41:40] Yeah, yeah. [41:41] So I did this rally in 2023 [41:43] called Fuentes Rally 2. [41:45] And the one comment I said, [41:46] we're talking about [41:47] a spiritual battle [41:48] between Christians [41:49] and everybody else. [41:50] And I said, [41:50] we're in a holy war. [41:52] I said, [41:52] and we're going to make them [41:53] die in a holy war. [41:55] And the second I said that, [41:56] I was like, [41:57] didn't mean to say that. [41:58] It was an extemporaneous speech. [42:00] So you don't rehearse it. [42:01] You just say things. [42:02] And I was like, [42:03] didn't mean that. [42:04] Shouldn't have said that. [42:06] So it's always the how. [42:07] It's always in the delivery [42:08] that I. [42:09] Nick, [42:09] I can think of about [42:10] four things that I really [42:11] wish you would take back [42:12] right now. [42:13] Like what? [42:14] The cookies in the oven. [42:15] Hmm. [42:16] Well, that's a joke. [42:17] But it's not, Nick. [42:18] My wife is Jewish. [42:20] My son is Jewish. [42:21] No, no, no, Nick, Nick, [42:21] Nick, Nick, Nick, Nick, [42:22] Nick. [42:23] I promise you, [42:23] don't get mad. [42:24] I'm not mad. [42:25] I know. [42:25] I know. [42:26] But, okay. [42:26] But you've got to understand [42:28] how incredibly, [42:30] incredibly, [42:31] whether it's a joke or not, [42:33] it's a lived experience [42:34] passed down from generation [42:35] to generation, [42:36] whether or not, [42:37] and by the way, [42:38] not just from the Holocaust, [42:39] not from, [42:40] not just from 1939 on. [42:42] 2,000 years of history. [42:43] Okay. [42:44] Forget about Israeli politics [42:46] and Netanyahu, [42:48] because I think we agree [42:49] about Bibi Netanyahu. [42:50] I'm positive we do. [42:51] I've listened to you [42:52] talk about it. [42:53] But you've got to understand, [42:54] look at me, man. [42:55] I see. [42:56] It hurts. [42:57] It hurts. [42:58] Does it? [42:58] Nick, I promise you, [42:59] it does. [43:00] When you compare [43:01] my wife's family [43:03] to cookies going to an oven, [43:06] it hurts. [43:07] And you've got to understand that. [43:08] And by the way, [43:09] I'm looking at you, [43:10] and I believe that you do know that. [43:11] See, that's where you lose me. [43:12] That's where you lose me. [43:13] Okay, Nick. [43:14] Okay, I'm telling you. [43:15] Well, listen, [43:16] are we here to talk [43:16] or are you here to lecture me [43:17] and preach to me? [43:18] Okay, no, you're right. [43:18] Let me listen. [43:19] Okay. [43:19] You're right. [43:20] You're right. [43:20] So this is a thing, [43:21] because, you know, [43:22] and I think this is a disconnect. [43:23] I think that the left [43:25] and even people on the right, [43:26] they're losing the young people. [43:27] Why do people love me? [43:29] Not in spite of, [43:30] but because of the outrageous things [43:32] that I say. [43:33] Not in spite of, [43:34] but because I say offensive things, [43:36] because I, let's say, [43:37] dropped the N-word [43:38] on a video or something. [43:39] It's because people are sick [43:41] of the preachiness, [43:43] the lecturing. [43:44] Okay, I'll listen to what you're saying. [43:45] They really are. [43:45] But, Nick, I disagree. [43:47] I think that you're appealing [43:49] to the lowest common denominator [43:50] of thought. [43:51] If you're hating on the people [43:53] that they think [43:54] are the reason for their suffering, [43:56] then you must be on their side. [43:58] I don't think that you believe that [43:59] about the Holocaust. [44:00] I think you think [44:01] the Holocaust did happen, [44:02] but forget about whether or not [44:04] you think that it is used [44:05] politically in a way [44:06] that is obtuse and wrong, [44:09] but I think that you do believe that, [44:11] and I think that you have to. [44:12] Like, what's your cultural heritage? [44:14] I'm Italian, Mexican, and Irish. [44:16] Mexican. [44:17] When did they come in Italian? [44:19] When did the Mexicans come? [44:21] When did the Irish come? [44:22] Mexicans came, [44:23] turn of the last century. [44:24] Italians came in the 1860s. [44:26] Irish came in the early 1900s. [44:28] Okay. [44:28] So maybe you wouldn't care [44:30] about something that is, [44:31] like, grossly offensive [44:33] just on the face of it, [44:35] and think that, [44:35] oh, why can't people just believe [44:37] that that's funny? [44:38] But you've got to understand [44:39] this from the perspective [44:40] of somebody that has the trauma, [44:43] and I think that there is [44:44] such a thing as generational trauma, [44:45] and those stories are passed down [44:47] generation to generation. [44:48] When you say something like that, [44:50] it just completely shut off. [44:51] They can't hear another thing [44:52] that you're saying [44:53] about this cultural disconnect, [44:55] about losing communities, [44:56] about the feeling of being left out [44:59] or left behind [45:00] in a world in which [45:01] there no longer is [45:03] this sense of community. [45:04] All the other things [45:05] that you say, [45:06] everybody else is left, [45:08] and what you do pick up, [45:10] you pick up the ones [45:11] that hear the dog whistle. [45:12] You pick up the ones [45:13] that say, uh-huh, [45:15] yeah, that's the way that I feel, [45:16] because it's radical. [45:18] It's like he's willing [45:19] to say the thing [45:19] that nobody else will say [45:21] in this environment, [45:22] and then you get, you know, [45:24] an enormous amount of niche, [45:27] but, you know, [45:28] but love from that, [45:30] and I don't, [45:30] but I just don't believe [45:31] that you believe that. [45:32] I don't believe that you think [45:34] that it was appropriate [45:35] for you to say something like that. [45:36] I don't think it's, [45:37] you believe that it's appropriate [45:38] to say women shouldn't vote. [45:39] Let's give Nick a second [45:40] to respond to the first thing. [45:41] I know, I talk constantly. [45:43] That's how I do this. [45:44] It's all good. [45:45] It's all good. [45:46] I apologize. [45:46] I get it, [45:47] and I understand that perspective, [45:48] and I, you know, [45:49] it is offensive, [45:50] and it is provocative, [45:51] and that's sort of [45:53] what makes it funny. [45:54] I mean, what we would say [45:55] in our generation [45:55] is edgelording. [45:56] We're being edgy. [45:57] We're being provocative, [45:58] and I think that it is [46:00] that kind of overbearing sense [46:02] for our entire- [46:03] I'm the king of edgelord. [46:05] I'm the king of being provocative. [46:07] Let's let Nick explain [46:08] the psychology behind edgelord. [46:10] It's that overbearingness [46:12] that my generation's [46:13] had our entire lives. [46:15] That's not appropriate. [46:16] That's not funny. [46:17] Think of the trauma. [46:18] That's racist. [46:18] That's white supremacist. [46:20] That makes it funny. [46:21] That makes it different, [46:22] interesting, [46:23] and let me grant, [46:24] by the way, [46:24] I think that now, [46:26] and this is maybe [46:26] a concession towards you, [46:28] now that my kind of humor [46:29] has become mainstream [46:30] and popular. [46:31] I don't even think [46:32] that that's funny anymore. [46:33] People do the edgelording thing. [46:34] It's become so commonplace [46:36] and so tired. [46:37] I don't think it's [46:38] that funny or impressive. [46:39] That's a big part [46:39] of why I kind of moved past it, [46:41] because 10 years ago, [46:42] it was treated like sacrilegious, [46:44] and there's something funny [46:45] about the fact that [46:46] you could say a word [46:46] or make a joke [46:47] and make people lose [46:48] their minds [46:49] and freak out, [46:50] and it was like [46:51] an international incident [46:52] if you said the wrong thing, [46:54] and I think that's what [46:54] made it tempting, [46:56] especially for a young person. [46:57] You want to rebel. [46:58] You want to be defiant. [47:00] You want to be a little [47:01] revolutionary or something. [47:03] Now, as time has gone on, [47:04] I think that's become a fad. [47:05] Everybody does it. [47:06] It's lost its power, [47:08] and I think that, [47:09] by the way, [47:09] part of why we're [47:10] getting less of it [47:11] is because instead of [47:12] getting the preachy lecture [47:14] from the left saying [47:15] that's not appropriate, [47:16] people just roll their eyes. [47:17] Now, when an edgy white person [47:19] says the N-word, [47:20] people roll their eyes [47:21] and go, really? [47:22] You know, that joke again? [47:23] People hear someone [47:25] wears a Nazi costume, [47:26] makes a holocaust joke. [47:27] People go, really? [47:28] That joke again? [47:29] It's not impressive. [47:30] It's not funny anymore. [47:31] We've seen it before. [47:32] And ironically, [47:33] that is what makes [47:34] you get less of it [47:35] when you disempower [47:36] those things [47:36] by not giving them [47:37] this over-the-top reaction, [47:39] pretending like [47:40] it's some great travesty. [47:42] So you think [47:42] the new counterculture [47:43] is going to be [47:43] to be woke again? [47:44] No, I think it's a synthesis. [47:46] A synthesis of [47:47] post-edgelordism [47:48] and wokeism? [47:49] Yes, because I think [47:50] that wokeism [47:51] had its excesses. [47:53] Edgelording also [47:54] has its excesses, [47:55] and I think [47:56] now we're finding [47:56] a middle ground [47:57] between saying [47:58] the edgiest thing [47:59] we can think of [48:00] with no regard [48:01] for anyone [48:02] and saying [48:02] everything is racist. [48:04] You know, [48:04] if you say something, [48:05] you should lose your job. [48:06] We're finding a middle ground [48:07] where, you know, [48:08] maybe it's tasteful, [48:09] tastefully offensive [48:10] in small doses, [48:12] less is more. [48:13] So it sounds like [48:13] you believe in the survival [48:14] of the American experiment. [48:16] Yeah, I really do. [48:17] And listen, [48:17] I don't think everything [48:18] about wokeism [48:19] was bad, necessarily. [48:20] What's the best thing [48:21] about wokeism? [48:21] I think that genuinely [48:23] it has made people [48:24] more respectful [48:25] and empathetic. [48:27] Because let's be honest, [48:28] 20 years ago, [48:29] let's say when I was growing up, [48:30] I think there was [48:31] a lot of cruelty. [48:32] And I think there were [48:33] some hateful attitudes. [48:35] And I think as time [48:35] has gone on, [48:36] this younger generation, [48:37] they may not be [48:38] even left-wing. [48:39] They may not be [48:40] what you'd consider woke. [48:41] But I think they are [48:42] respectful of people [48:43] that have different ideas [48:44] or, you know, [48:45] a different way of life [48:46] or from a different culture. [48:47] You know, [48:47] we make jokes all the time [48:49] about the fact [48:49] that I'm like a far-right guy [48:51] and I'm Mexican. [48:52] People say I'm a white supremacist, [48:53] I'm Mexican. [48:54] And people make a joke [48:55] that a lot of far-right people [48:56] are Hispanic. [48:57] And I think that's a consequence [48:58] that there's very little [49:00] genuine racial hatred [49:01] in anybody's DNA anymore [49:03] or any kind of hatred. [49:04] And I think that's positive. [49:05] But that went too far. [49:07] I think some of the other stuff [49:08] went too far as well. [49:09] You know, [49:09] one of the strange things [49:11] about sitting in a room [49:12] with these two [49:12] is that they agree [49:13] on almost nothing. [49:14] But they've both lived [49:15] the same nightmares. [49:17] Hunter had a laptop [49:18] turned into a decade [49:19] of strangers [49:20] picking through his texts, [49:22] his private photos, [49:23] his voice memo, [49:24] and even his bank record. [49:25] Whereas Nick has been doxed, [49:27] swatted, [49:28] had his DMs leaked [49:29] probably more times [49:29] than he can count, [49:30] and more shenanigans. [49:31] Different politics, [49:32] but kind of same experience. [49:34] Somebody somewhere [49:34] decided that their personal information [49:36] was public property, [49:37] so they exhumed it [49:38] and sent it off to the world. [49:40] But here's the thing [49:40] that most people don't know. [49:41] A huge amount [49:42] of that information [49:43] actually isn't stolen. [49:45] It's for sale. [49:46] Legally. [49:47] Currently, [49:48] there are over 420 companies [49:49] called data brokers [49:50] whose entire business [49:51] is collecting [49:52] your home address, [49:53] your phone number, [49:54] your relatives, [49:55] your previous addresses, [49:56] your income bracket, [49:58] and selling access [49:58] to anybody who pays. [49:59] Last October, [50:00] one of these vendors [50:01] got breached [50:01] and 70,000 people [50:03] had their government IDs [50:04] exposed in one day. [50:05] That's what this ecosystem [50:06] looks like when it fails, [50:07] and it fails constantly. [50:09] Now you might be thinking, [50:10] okay, [50:11] but I'm not Hunter Biden, [50:12] Andrew Callahan, [50:13] or Nick Fuentes. [50:14] Nobody's coming after me, [50:16] and honestly, [50:16] I get that. [50:17] But here's what actually happens [50:18] when your info [50:19] is sitting in these databases. [50:21] Every spam call you get, [50:22] every spam text [50:23] about a package [50:24] you didn't order, [50:25] every weird email [50:26] from a bank [50:27] that you don't use, [50:28] that's the data broker economy. [50:30] It's why scammerists [50:31] know your name [50:32] before they call. [50:32] This issue [50:33] is affecting [50:33] so many Americans. [50:34] The FBI just said [50:36] that Americans [50:36] lost $21 billion [50:38] to online fraud [50:39] last year, [50:39] and Americans [50:40] over 60 [50:41] lost $7.7 billion [50:43] of that. [50:43] And the fastest growing [50:44] category of scam types [50:45] relates to AI voice clones. [50:47] It's a scam [50:48] where somebody calls [50:49] your mom [50:49] pretending to be you [50:50] in your voice [50:51] from a number [50:52] that looks like yours. [50:53] But guess what? [50:54] That scam doesn't work [50:55] if the scammer [50:56] doesn't already know [50:56] your name, [50:57] your mom's name, [50:58] and her phone number. [50:59] And guess where [50:59] they got that stuff? [51:00] All three. [51:01] Data brokers. [51:02] There's also the issue [51:03] of who can find [51:03] your address. [51:04] Any ex, [51:05] any estranged family member, [51:07] anybody from a situationship [51:08] you left years ago [51:09] who went crazy? [51:10] $20 on a people search site [51:12] and they know [51:13] where you live right now. [51:14] Most people don't think [51:15] about that until it matters [51:16] and by then it's too late, [51:17] you're dead. [51:18] That's where Incogni comes in. [51:19] You just sign up [51:20] and they take it from there. [51:21] They contact data brokers [51:23] directly, [51:23] demand that your info [51:24] be removed, [51:25] and send fresh sweeps [51:26] every 60 to 90 days [51:28] so nothing quietly [51:29] gets added back. [51:30] They've processed [51:30] over 245 million [51:32] removal requests to date. [51:34] And unlike most other [51:35] competitors in this industry, [51:36] they had Deloitte, [51:37] they had Deloitte, [51:38] one of the big four [51:40] auditing firms [51:41] independently verify [51:42] how many brokers they cover [51:43] and how often [51:44] they actually follow up. [51:46] The numbers didn't lie. [51:47] The numbers aren't marketing. [51:48] They are audited. [51:49] Incogni is the shit. [51:50] They didn't come to play around. [51:52] And guess what? [51:53] On the Unlimited [51:53] and Family Unlimited plans, [51:55] you also get [51:55] their exposure scanner. [51:57] It crawls the web [51:58] looking for personal info [51:59] outside the usual broker sites [52:01] and hands anything it finds [52:03] to Incogni's removal specialists [52:04] who are real people, [52:05] not AI robots [52:06] on the other side. [52:07] Recently, [52:07] I ran my own info [52:08] through Incogni [52:09] and immediately found [52:10] old addresses, [52:11] phone numbers, [52:12] and family members [52:12] listed across a bunch [52:13] of people search websites. [52:15] Within the first week, [52:16] though, [52:17] dozens of removal requests [52:18] were already in progress [52:19] and you can watch [52:20] the whole thing happen [52:21] on the Incogni dashboard. [52:23] Go to incogni.com [52:24] slash channel 5. [52:25] Use code channel 5, [52:26] all caps, [52:27] 60% off. [52:28] All right, [52:29] back to Hunter and Nick. [52:30] Hablas espanol? [52:31] No, [52:31] not a little bit, [52:32] I guess, [52:33] from high school. [52:33] Can you do a little bit? [52:35] No, [52:35] un poco. [52:36] I don't speak it [52:37] from my dad, [52:37] so. [52:38] Did you grow up [52:38] like around a lot [52:39] of Mexicans? [52:40] No, [52:40] all white people [52:41] for the most part. [52:42] Did they know [52:42] you were Mexican? [52:43] They did. [52:44] And not gonna lie, [52:45] I mean, [52:45] people made fun [52:46] of me for that. [52:47] What'd they say? [52:48] Well, [52:48] like for example, [52:49] one time [52:49] when I was in Model UN, [52:52] I was entering [52:53] high school [52:53] as a freshman. [52:54] They looked at my name [52:55] on the roster [52:56] without knowing me [52:57] and they told me [52:58] this after the fact, [52:58] the leadership of the club, [53:00] they said, [53:00] oh, [53:00] we thought you were [53:01] just some Mexican kid [53:02] so we gave you [53:03] a bad committee assignment. [53:04] Wow. [53:05] But see, [53:06] I heard that [53:06] and I laughed. [53:08] I said, [53:08] that's funny. [53:09] You know, [53:10] whereas a lot of people [53:10] would say, [53:11] oh, [53:11] that's traumatic. [53:12] I'm a victim of racism. [53:14] You know, [53:14] I think that's, [53:15] you know, [53:16] it's just a human thing. [53:17] Yeah, [53:17] I always felt like [53:18] growing up as like [53:19] a white kid in America. [53:20] What if you want, [53:20] wait, [53:21] what if you were [53:22] and identified [53:24] as being Mexican [53:25] and they came to you [53:27] and they didn't tell you [53:28] that's the reason [53:29] that they gave you [53:29] all the bad committee assignments? [53:31] That would be unfair. [53:32] Yeah. [53:33] It's interesting. [53:33] I'm just saying. [53:34] That's the whole point, [53:35] isn't it? [53:35] And I'm not. [53:36] You may find it funny [53:37] because you pass [53:38] as a white Anglo Christian. [53:41] Do you think I pass? [53:42] What? [53:42] You think I pass [53:43] as a white Anglo Christian? [53:44] Well, [53:44] I not only think you pass, [53:46] I think you identify as it. [53:47] Yeah, [53:48] yeah, [53:48] yeah, [53:48] yeah, [53:48] yeah, [53:49] yeah, [53:50] let's go. [53:51] Yeah, [53:51] no, [53:51] but really, [53:52] for real. [53:53] And my point is [53:54] is that I heard you [53:54] do an interview, [53:56] okay, [53:56] and I literally [53:58] on the right up here [53:58] is like you were [53:59] talking about [54:00] how you were raised [54:02] on like Mark Levin [54:03] in high school. [54:05] Right. [54:05] And the thing [54:06] that you liked [54:06] the most about Mark Levin [54:08] is how cruel he was [54:10] to the callers. [54:12] I don't see, [54:13] I don't get that. [54:14] I like the joke [54:15] about the cookies. [54:16] It may be a joke [54:17] and it may be edgelording [54:18] and you may not [54:19] really mean it, [54:20] but you got to realize [54:21] the cruelty to it [54:22] and without going like, [54:23] oh, [54:23] like, [54:23] you know, [54:24] wham, [54:24] wham, [54:24] and like, [54:25] you know, [54:25] people got to [54:26] stop crying [54:26] about the past. [54:28] And that's the thing [54:29] is that I think [54:30] that you have [54:30] such an opportunity [54:31] to talk to a generation [54:33] of disaffected, [54:34] angry, [54:35] legitimately angry people [54:37] in a way [54:38] in which is positive [54:39] without having [54:40] to do that shit. [54:41] And by the way, [54:41] and I'm not holding [54:42] you responsible [54:43] for like, [54:44] you know, [54:44] the end of, [54:45] you know, [54:47] my conception [54:48] of Western civilization, [54:49] which is different [54:50] than yours, [54:51] but I just don't get it. [54:52] I don't get why [54:53] you find the cruelty. [54:54] And I think that, [54:55] by the way, [54:55] I think that that's [54:56] why you like Trump. [54:57] I mean, [54:57] this is, [54:58] I'm making, [54:58] you know, [54:59] like a very unfair leap [55:00] because his first instinct [55:02] is cruelty. [55:03] His first instinct [55:04] is to find [55:06] the fault [55:07] in the other. [55:08] About everything, [55:09] by the way. [55:09] It's not his fault [55:10] that we're in a war [55:12] with Iran [55:12] that he's ended 38 times [55:13] and, you know, [55:14] and started 39. [55:16] It's not his fault [55:17] that inflation's high. [55:18] It's not his fault [55:19] that the wall [55:20] didn't get built. [55:20] It's not his fault [55:22] that ICE is killing people [55:23] on the streets [55:24] in these places. [55:26] It's the cruelty of it. [55:27] Maybe it's a generational thing. [55:28] I got friends [55:29] who are Jewish [55:31] that are going to be [55:31] really, really fucking pissed off [55:33] that I'm sitting next to you. [55:34] And what do I tell them? [55:35] What do I tell them [55:36] why it's okay [55:37] for me to sit [55:38] and have this conversation [55:39] with you? [55:40] I guess I just [55:40] have such a different [55:41] opinion of that. [55:43] You know, [55:43] why should we have [55:44] to explain ourselves [55:45] to talk to anybody? [55:46] And why is it [55:47] that saying the wrong words [55:48] or making a particular joke [55:50] makes it so the Jewish person [55:51] wouldn't want to watch my show? [55:53] I have a lot of Jewish fans. [55:54] I mean, [55:54] some of my best friends [55:55] are Jewish. [55:56] I've had Jewish employees [55:57] and they recognize [55:58] that, you know, [55:59] just because I'm not [56:00] necessarily nice [56:02] all the time [56:02] doesn't mean I'm hateful, [56:04] doesn't mean, [56:05] I don't even think [56:05] they see it as cruel. [56:06] I think they see it as [56:07] it's a little rough [56:08] around the edges. [56:09] And maybe that's [56:10] the difference [56:11] is I guess it's just [56:12] attributing this weight [56:13] to something that [56:14] can be considered a joke [56:15] and maybe doesn't have [56:16] a cruel intention behind it. [56:17] Like, you know, [56:18] Mark Levin, [56:19] you got to remember [56:19] at the end of the day, [56:20] it's an entertainment show. [56:21] It's entertainment. [56:22] People call in. [56:23] He gets frustrated with them. [56:24] It's part of what I do [56:25] on my show. [56:26] And it's not always nice, [56:27] but it's funny. [56:28] And I don't think [56:29] it's mean-spirited necessarily. [56:31] And I don't think [56:31] it's that big of a deal. [56:32] So, I mean, [56:33] the thought that I would like, [56:34] for example, with you, [56:35] people would say, [56:36] why do you talk [56:36] to Hunter Biden? [56:38] His father and his DOJ [56:40] froze your money [56:41] and put you on a no-fly list. [56:42] I'd say, so what? [56:44] I mean, it's just talking. [56:45] I don't think talking [56:46] is a big deal, you know? [56:47] It froze my money [56:48] and put me on a no-fly list, too. [56:50] There you go. [56:50] See, so we got that in common. [56:52] So a different question [56:53] that I have [56:53] that kind of weaves [56:53] everything together. [56:55] How do you think, [56:55] like, October 7th [56:56] and the subsequent, [56:57] like, pro-Palestine movement [56:58] and the online worlds [57:00] it created [57:00] led to a growing audience [57:02] on the right? [57:03] October 7th in particular? [57:04] Well, I think it highlighted [57:06] and brought to the forefront [57:07] how captured [57:08] the right wing is by Israel, [57:10] which is very unique. [57:11] I think the Democrats [57:12] and the Republicans [57:13] are pro-Israel, [57:13] but the Republican Party [57:14] has this inextricable [57:16] institutional connection [57:17] with the Israel lobby, [57:19] with this Likud government [57:20] in particular. [57:21] And I think people [57:22] just started to see [57:23] the hypocrisies. [57:24] The hypocrisy was brought [57:25] to the forefront, [57:26] which is America first, [57:28] but not with Israel. [57:29] No new wars, [57:30] except for with Iran. [57:31] Under Trump, [57:32] we will have no more wars. [57:33] No more wars. [57:35] No more wars. [57:35] They said he will start a war. [57:37] I'm not going to start a war. [57:38] I'm going to stop wars. [57:39] Tonight, Iran's Navy is gone. [57:41] You know, [57:42] we're going to be racist [57:43] and all these things, [57:44] but don't you dare [57:45] be anti-Semitic. [57:46] Don't even, you know, [57:47] think about it. [57:47] I see good things [57:48] about Hitler also. [57:49] Every human being [57:51] has something of value [57:52] that they brought [57:53] to the table, [57:54] especially Hitler. [57:55] So I think that [57:56] on the right wing, [57:58] it made it unignorable [57:59] that there's this [58:00] ideological, [58:01] institutional capture. [58:02] I just feel like [58:03] a lot of straightforward, [58:04] like just anti-Semite [58:05] influencers [58:05] were taking advantage [58:06] of the post-October 7 [58:08] discourse [58:09] to push other ideas, [58:10] broader ideas, [58:11] about Jewish people [58:11] as a whole. [58:12] Come out and say it. [58:13] Like, I think that Jews [58:14] are causing [58:15] a disproportionate amount [58:16] of problems [58:17] in the United States. [58:18] Well, I mean, [58:19] I think it's hard [58:20] to ignore [58:21] some of those [58:23] other conversations. [58:24] I know that it's, [58:25] it's now become [58:27] maybe in vogue [58:28] to say that [58:29] the Israel issue [58:30] is very narrow. [58:31] It's just Netanyahu. [58:32] It's just the Likudniks. [58:33] It's just the Israel lobby. [58:35] But, you know, [58:36] what would you say [58:36] about someone [58:37] like Larry Ellison? [58:38] I mean, somebody like that, [58:40] I don't think [58:40] fits neatly into this, [58:42] let's say, [58:42] problem of Netanyahu. [58:44] As far as installing [58:45] Barry Weiss and whatnot. [58:46] Yes. [58:46] Gotcha, gotcha, gotcha. [58:47] Because this is somebody [58:48] who's not Israeli. [58:49] He's not even [58:50] a religious Jew, [58:51] but he's ethnically Jewish [58:52] and has this deep affinity [58:53] for the state of Israel. [58:55] You know, [58:56] I feel a deep, [58:56] a deep emotional connection [58:58] to the state of Israel [59:00] and the Israeli people. [59:01] And is using [59:01] and mobilizing [59:02] his power [59:03] and resources [59:03] and connections [59:04] to benefit Israel [59:05] and the private sector. [59:07] And so, [59:07] if you were to say, [59:08] what's a law [59:09] that we could pass [59:09] to prevent [59:10] that kind of influence, [59:12] what would it look like? [59:13] He's an American citizen. [59:14] He can't buy a media company [59:15] and hire Barry Weiss [59:17] to run CBS News. [59:18] And yet, [59:19] we recognize [59:19] that's a big problem. [59:20] I just feel [59:20] the conflation [59:21] of like anti-Zionism [59:22] and like Holocaust denial [59:23] played into the hands [59:25] of the Israeli [59:25] propaganda apparatus. [59:27] Because then they can say, [59:28] hey, look, [59:28] these people that oppose [59:29] what we're doing [59:29] in Palestine [59:30] also don't think [59:31] the Holocaust happened. [59:32] It's a big jump [59:33] in the public perception. [59:34] It was almost to me [59:35] as if that was your intent [59:37] to lose any legitimacy [59:39] about any argument [59:40] as it relates to Israel [59:41] and the Likud government [59:42] is to say [59:43] those edgelording things [59:45] or whatever. [59:46] Jews are money changers, [59:48] bullshit artists, [59:49] psychopaths, [59:51] charlatans, [59:52] grifters, [59:53] manipulators. [59:54] I don't know anybody [59:55] that can hear you [59:56] after you say that, [59:57] including myself. [59:58] It delegitimizes [1:00:00] everything. [1:00:02] Because I don't think [1:00:04] that you, [1:00:06] a little bit [1:00:06] more compassionate. [1:00:07] Let's try to stay a little, [1:00:08] I don't want to do [1:00:08] any character attacks [1:00:09] on Nick. [1:00:10] I'm not attacking [1:00:11] his character. [1:00:12] I'm not attacking [1:00:12] what I promise you. [1:00:14] I'm not. [1:00:14] As far as compassion, [1:00:15] I more just mean [1:00:16] straightforward. [1:00:17] Do you feel like [1:00:18] the rise in anti-Semitic [1:00:19] online influencers [1:00:20] post-October 7th [1:00:21] has given Israel [1:00:22] more ammunition [1:00:23] to work with [1:00:23] in terms of casting [1:00:24] everyone who opposes [1:00:25] what they're doing [1:00:25] as just like a [1:00:26] rabid Jew hater? [1:00:27] In some cases, [1:00:29] yeah, in some cases, [1:00:30] sure. [1:00:30] But I also think [1:00:31] that's overstated [1:00:31] because I think [1:00:32] that, you know, [1:00:33] look, let's just [1:00:34] be honest. [1:00:35] I do believe [1:00:36] the political left [1:00:37] wants to make [1:00:38] the Israel issue [1:00:39] very narrow. [1:00:40] And they want to say [1:00:40] that the issue [1:00:41] is this genocide [1:00:42] in Palestine. [1:00:43] And on some level, [1:00:44] they think that [1:00:44] the Israeli government [1:00:45] is racist. [1:00:46] You f***ing baying pig! [1:00:49] You f***ing bloodthirsty, [1:00:51] violent pig dog! [1:00:52] And that's the problem. [1:00:53] And I think that [1:00:54] that ignores that [1:00:55] there is a broader [1:00:56] conversation. [1:00:57] And it does have [1:00:58] to do with the Holocaust [1:00:59] and it does have [1:01:00] to do with Jews [1:01:01] as such [1:01:01] and Jewish nationalism [1:01:03] and Jewish identity. [1:01:05] So to try to [1:01:07] shoehorn it in [1:01:07] and say, [1:01:08] well, if anybody [1:01:08] goes further [1:01:09] than this very narrow [1:01:10] critique of Israel, [1:01:11] well, they're actually [1:01:12] helping Israel. [1:01:13] I don't agree with that. [1:01:14] I think we have to unpack [1:01:15] the whole conversation. [1:01:16] Well, do you care a lot [1:01:17] about Palestinians? [1:01:19] Not more than I care [1:01:20] about anybody else. [1:01:21] So I guess that would be [1:01:22] why they would be like, [1:01:23] okay, you're just taking [1:01:24] advantage of this discourse. [1:01:25] I don't think it's [1:01:25] taking advantage. [1:01:26] I think that we can [1:01:27] sympathize with the [1:01:28] Palestinians while also [1:01:29] realizing that, [1:01:30] you know, look, [1:01:31] I'm an American. [1:01:32] And so it's a tragedy [1:01:33] what's happening in Palestine. [1:01:34] But there's tragedies [1:01:35] happening all over the world. [1:01:37] My problem is that [1:01:38] Israel has this influence [1:01:39] over our government. [1:01:40] I'm a newcomer to politics, [1:01:42] but not to backing [1:01:43] the Jewish state. [1:01:45] And we're paying [1:01:45] for the genocide [1:01:46] and we're furnishing [1:01:47] them with the weapons [1:01:48] to commit the genocide. [1:01:49] And by the way, [1:01:50] America is going to be [1:01:51] held liable for this genocide. [1:01:53] Morally, but also [1:01:54] politically and [1:01:55] diplomatically and otherwise. [1:01:56] But I think that people [1:01:57] on the left, [1:01:58] they may be guilty [1:01:59] of maybe caring more [1:02:00] about Palestine [1:02:01] than they do about America. [1:02:02] Nick, but the left [1:02:03] didn't cancel you. [1:02:04] The right canceled you first. [1:02:06] The right canceled you first. [1:02:08] And Ben Shapiro [1:02:09] and the Daily Wire, [1:02:11] and that was, [1:02:12] those were the people [1:02:13] that canceled. [1:02:14] They may have utilized [1:02:15] the tools of the left [1:02:16] or what you call the left [1:02:17] to be able to do that. [1:02:18] But it was the right [1:02:19] that canceled you. [1:02:20] And by the way, [1:02:21] I would consider [1:02:22] a radical right. [1:02:23] The Daily Wire [1:02:23] to me is a radical right. [1:02:26] I don't think [1:02:26] they're even reactionary. [1:02:28] I don't think [1:02:28] they're that conservative [1:02:29] at all. [1:02:30] Ben Shapiro, [1:02:30] I mean, [1:02:31] he's not like, [1:02:32] he's in favor [1:02:32] of mass migration. [1:02:33] In 2016, [1:02:35] they were alt-right. [1:02:36] No, [1:02:37] they were not. [1:02:38] Ben Shapiro [1:02:38] and the Daily Wire, [1:02:39] they were to the right [1:02:40] of Mitt Romney. [1:02:41] Yes. [1:02:42] You know what I mean? [1:02:42] That's what I mean. [1:02:43] They weren't more me. [1:02:44] The conservatives. [1:02:44] It's a conversation. [1:02:45] My point was, [1:02:45] that's who you were canceled by. [1:02:47] I was also canceled [1:02:48] by the left. [1:02:49] No, I know. [1:02:49] They came along. [1:02:50] They came along [1:02:51] because some of the more [1:02:52] egregious things [1:02:52] that you said [1:02:53] that you said [1:02:54] is edgelording. [1:02:55] They came along. [1:02:56] Whether you call it [1:02:57] canceling or saying like, [1:02:58] what the fuck? [1:02:59] This is what I call it. [1:03:00] What the fuck? [1:03:02] Like, [1:03:02] what the fuck? [1:03:04] You know? [1:03:04] And so, [1:03:05] like, [1:03:05] I don't find it funny. [1:03:06] And just like you're able [1:03:07] to say, [1:03:07] well, [1:03:08] I just think it's funny. [1:03:08] I'm able to say, [1:03:09] I don't find it fucking funny. [1:03:11] I didn't find it funny then. [1:03:12] I don't find it funny now. [1:03:14] I didn't find it funny [1:03:15] that some of the things [1:03:15] that, [1:03:16] you know, [1:03:16] you said about me. [1:03:18] But I'm willing to sit here [1:03:20] and listen to you [1:03:22] because I want to get to this. [1:03:23] And this is my whole point. [1:03:24] What about fucking Donald Trump? [1:03:26] Yeah, [1:03:26] we can get to that. [1:03:27] Yeah, [1:03:27] how did you get, [1:03:28] how of all the people [1:03:30] in the world, [1:03:31] what you could look at [1:03:33] and say, [1:03:33] he doesn't believe anything. [1:03:35] So for context, [1:03:36] for the viewer, [1:03:36] Donald Trump is currently [1:03:37] the sitting president [1:03:38] of the U.S. [1:03:38] for our audience abroad. [1:03:40] The war with Iran [1:03:41] was supposed to be over. [1:03:42] Now we're back in business, baby. [1:03:44] Khomeini had a pretty sick funeral [1:03:45] if you saw the video. [1:03:46] So you guys don't like Trump? [1:03:48] You used to like him. [1:03:49] I did. [1:03:50] You've always hated him. [1:03:51] He's trying to destroy your life. [1:03:52] Yeah. [1:03:53] You guys were cool. [1:03:54] You guys hung out once [1:03:54] at Mar-a-Lago with Kanye. [1:03:56] You've never hung out with Trump. [1:03:58] Mm-mm. [1:03:58] Right? [1:03:59] Would you want to? [1:04:00] No. [1:04:00] No, do I want to? [1:04:01] Yeah. [1:04:02] Okay. [1:04:02] Look, man, [1:04:03] I would, [1:04:03] like, [1:04:04] can we get him? [1:04:04] Can we get him in the motel room? [1:04:05] No, so I want you to imagine [1:04:06] he's in the motel with us. [1:04:09] Yeah. [1:04:09] That's Trump. [1:04:10] What do you want to, [1:04:11] how about, [1:04:11] what do you want to ask him? [1:04:12] Oh, you know, [1:04:15] put me on the spot. [1:04:16] I don't want to ask Donald Trump anything [1:04:18] because I know, [1:04:20] and I think you would agree with me, [1:04:22] is that Donald Trump [1:04:23] isn't going to give me [1:04:24] any, [1:04:25] an authentic answer. [1:04:26] Donald Trump never gives [1:04:27] an authentic answer. [1:04:29] He gives what people refer to [1:04:32] as being authentic, [1:04:33] but it's not authentic. [1:04:34] It's audacious. [1:04:35] It's like the example that I give [1:04:37] that is the best metaphor for this [1:04:39] is that he says he's 6'3", [1:04:40] weighs 225 pounds. [1:04:42] And everybody laughs [1:04:43] because that's a little bit [1:04:44] like edgelorting, right? [1:04:45] Everybody knows that he is [1:04:46] maybe six feet [1:04:48] and weighs maybe 300. [1:04:51] 285? [1:04:51] He's a big guy. [1:04:52] He's a pretty big guy. [1:04:53] Yeah, big guy. [1:04:54] But by virtue of every picture [1:04:56] ever taken of anyone [1:04:57] that's 6'3", [1:04:57] he's not 6'3". [1:04:59] I am. [1:04:59] Okay? [1:05:00] Yeah, I know you are. [1:05:01] Thank you. [1:05:01] You're 6'2 and a half. [1:05:02] Maybe. [1:05:03] That's fine. [1:05:03] Maybe. [1:05:04] But my point is, [1:05:06] is that the reason [1:05:06] I don't have a question for him [1:05:08] is because I'm absolutely certain [1:05:10] that he's not going to give me [1:05:11] an authentic answer. [1:05:12] Look, he came into the Oval Office [1:05:14] and the transition this time. [1:05:17] And he told my dad [1:05:18] that he thought [1:05:18] that he did an amazing job. [1:05:20] He did an amazing job [1:05:21] with the economy. [1:05:22] He did an amazing job [1:05:23] that with NATO, [1:05:24] he did an amazing job [1:05:25] and that he got a raw deal [1:05:27] from his side [1:05:27] and anything he could do, [1:05:29] particularly for Hunter. [1:05:30] Hunter got screwed. [1:05:31] Whatever I can do, [1:05:32] you let me know. [1:05:33] Bullshit. [1:05:34] He then went out [1:05:35] and he has now since then [1:05:36] done nothing [1:05:37] but blame Joe Biden [1:05:38] for every single one [1:05:40] of his problems. [1:05:41] Eleven months ago, [1:05:42] I inherited a mess. [1:05:43] Joe Biden handed us [1:05:45] over a country [1:05:46] that was in [1:05:47] very serious trouble. [1:05:49] Biden gave us [1:05:49] a horrible economy. [1:05:50] And I really mean this. [1:05:51] I think the good parts [1:05:52] of the Trump economy [1:05:53] and the bad parts [1:05:54] of the Biden economy. [1:05:56] He mentioned [1:05:57] my dad's name [1:05:57] or my family's name [1:05:58] six times a day [1:06:00] in the first 100 days [1:06:02] of this administration. [1:06:04] Six times a day. [1:06:05] He does it [1:06:05] maybe four times a day [1:06:07] now [1:06:07] because he has no answers. [1:06:10] All he has [1:06:11] is a finger to point [1:06:12] and that's all he does. [1:06:14] My point is [1:06:14] I don't know [1:06:15] what to ask him. [1:06:16] You know, [1:06:16] why are you such a dick? [1:06:18] What does your dad [1:06:19] think about the war? [1:06:20] Right? [1:06:21] What? [1:06:21] I don't, [1:06:22] I'm not going to get into [1:06:23] what my dad thinks [1:06:23] about the war. [1:06:25] Is it really? [1:06:25] Because I don't want like, [1:06:26] I don't want to get into, [1:06:28] I don't put words [1:06:29] in my dad's mouth [1:06:30] just like I wouldn't ask you [1:06:31] what your dad thinks [1:06:32] about the war [1:06:32] but your dad wasn't [1:06:33] the president of the United States [1:06:34] which is a little bit different. [1:06:35] I don't even know [1:06:35] if you know what's going on [1:06:36] if it's the Eagles fan. [1:06:37] Look, [1:06:37] all I can say is this [1:06:38] is that every single [1:06:41] Israeli prime minister [1:06:42] since Jimmy, [1:06:45] at least Jimmy Carter [1:06:46] was president [1:06:46] has walked into [1:06:47] the Oval Office [1:06:48] or picked up the phone [1:06:49] and called the president [1:06:50] and said [1:06:51] we have to attack Iran [1:06:52] and every single one of them [1:06:54] has said no [1:06:55] and they may not all [1:06:56] have had the same exact reason [1:06:58] but one of the reasons [1:06:58] they did [1:06:59] is because they knew [1:06:59] what the consequences would be [1:07:01] as it relates to the [1:07:02] lifeblood of the economy. [1:07:03] is petroleum in the [1:07:04] Straits of Hormuz. [1:07:04] Every single one of them knew that [1:07:06] and every single one of them knew [1:07:07] that there is no way [1:07:09] unless you send in ground forces [1:07:11] to be [1:07:11] to end [1:07:13] with certainty [1:07:14] the nuclear program [1:07:16] that the Iranians [1:07:17] have supposedly [1:07:18] been building. [1:07:19] Every single one of them knew [1:07:21] that the existing [1:07:21] Ayatollah [1:07:22] the Ayatollah [1:07:23] at that time [1:07:24] had put out [1:07:25] a fatwa [1:07:25] an edict [1:07:27] saying that [1:07:27] they would never turn [1:07:28] their nuclear technology [1:07:30] into a bomb. [1:07:31] The supreme leader [1:07:32] of Iran [1:07:33] issued fatwa [1:07:34] having nuclear weapons [1:07:37] is forbidden [1:07:38] it's haram [1:07:39] which means [1:07:41] never we can have [1:07:42] nuclear weapons. [1:07:44] It was a religious edict [1:07:45] as strong [1:07:46] as if the Pope [1:07:47] had released [1:07:49] an encyclical [1:07:50] but what did he do? [1:07:51] He kills the Ayatollah [1:07:52] we get a son [1:07:54] that now has [1:07:55] a far more radical [1:07:56] and far greater ties [1:07:58] to the IRGC [1:08:00] and what do we have? [1:08:02] The straights are moves [1:08:02] are still closed [1:08:03] he said that [1:08:04] they're brilliant people [1:08:05] I find [1:08:06] that that's Donald Trump [1:08:07] on everything [1:08:08] he said he'd end the war [1:08:09] in Ukraine [1:08:10] on day one [1:08:10] That is a war [1:08:11] that's dying to be settled [1:08:13] I will get it settled [1:08:14] before I even become president [1:08:16] and I didn't hear anybody [1:08:17] on the right [1:08:18] or [1:08:18] say [1:08:19] that's just bullshit [1:08:21] it's just bullshit [1:08:23] he said that he would [1:08:24] build a wall [1:08:24] I don't believe [1:08:25] in building a wall [1:08:26] but everybody said [1:08:27] that's bullshit [1:08:27] and then when he got [1:08:28] into office [1:08:29] the corruption [1:08:30] the level of [1:08:31] the corruption [1:08:32] I mean [1:08:32] people believed [1:08:34] or led to believe [1:08:35] that there was this thing [1:08:37] called the Biden crime family [1:08:38] right? [1:08:38] I know that you know [1:08:39] is that I didn't do [1:08:40] a single piece of business [1:08:41] when my dad was president [1:08:42] I made basically [1:08:43] $200,000 a year [1:08:45] selling paintings [1:08:46] I picked the thing [1:08:46] that was the furthest [1:08:48] possible thing [1:08:48] away from [1:08:49] from [1:08:50] from politics [1:08:51] that I possibly could [1:08:52] Don and Eric [1:08:53] have done [1:08:54] over $1.3 billion [1:08:56] in contracts [1:08:57] just in contracts [1:08:58] for underlying companies [1:08:59] that they have an ownership stake in [1:09:00] with the Department of Defense [1:09:02] Don Jr. got the largest loan [1:09:04] ever given [1:09:05] by the Department of Defense [1:09:06] of a company [1:09:07] that he bought into [1:09:08] like three months [1:09:09] before they got the loan [1:09:10] because [1:09:10] Peter Navarro [1:09:12] picked up the phone [1:09:12] and called [1:09:13] DOD [1:09:14] to get it done [1:09:15] my point is [1:09:16] I don't have anything [1:09:17] productive [1:09:18] to say to him [1:09:19] that I know of [1:09:20] and when I listen to you [1:09:21] and I listen to what you do [1:09:23] my question is [1:09:24] is [1:09:25] how did you not see that before? [1:09:27] He was a disaster in 2020 [1:09:29] a complete and utter disaster [1:09:31] as it related [1:09:31] to what he did with COVID [1:09:32] regardless of whether [1:09:33] you think we were supposed to [1:09:34] be wearing a mask or not [1:09:35] the question for Nick [1:09:36] is how did you not realize [1:09:38] six years ago [1:09:38] that Trump would be [1:09:39] this sort of letdown [1:09:40] because he doesn't hold [1:09:41] you know [1:09:42] there's no ideological core [1:09:44] to Donald Trump [1:09:44] no [1:09:45] I agree with you [1:09:46] well [1:09:46] you got to realize [1:09:47] in 2016 [1:09:48] where Republicans were at [1:09:49] we had John McCain [1:09:50] we had Mitt Romney [1:09:51] and the perception [1:09:52] on the right [1:09:53] is that they were [1:09:54] insufficiently conservative [1:09:56] and that they were losers [1:09:57] all they do is lose [1:09:58] because they don't fight [1:09:59] there was this perception [1:10:00] that the Democrats [1:10:01] are ruthless [1:10:02] fighters [1:10:03] Obama [1:10:04] crushed in 2008 [1:10:06] crushed [1:10:06] when we thought [1:10:07] he really should have lost [1:10:08] in 2012 [1:10:09] that was a Republican perception [1:10:10] that Romney let us down [1:10:11] and so when Trump [1:10:12] came on the scene [1:10:13] in 2016 [1:10:14] it was new [1:10:15] it was refreshing [1:10:16] he seemed like [1:10:17] somebody that was [1:10:18] really going to take on [1:10:19] not just the Democrats [1:10:19] but also the media [1:10:20] on our behalf [1:10:22] and what's more [1:10:23] you got to think about [1:10:23] the mood of the moment [1:10:24] in 16 as well [1:10:25] and the message [1:10:26] Trump was giving [1:10:27] Trump said in 16 [1:10:28] it's just me [1:10:30] and my son [1:10:31] and my wife [1:10:31] we don't have any donors [1:10:33] we don't have any special interests [1:10:34] more than 100 million dollars [1:10:36] put in of my money [1:10:37] meaning I'm not taking [1:10:38] all of this big money [1:10:39] from all of these [1:10:40] different corporations [1:10:41] like she's doing [1:10:42] we're going to put [1:10:42] America first [1:10:43] make the country great again [1:10:44] this is a very appealing message [1:10:46] and I talk all the time [1:10:47] on my show about it [1:10:48] and realizing now [1:10:49] that it was obviously a scam [1:10:51] and now obviously [1:10:52] unfulfilled completely [1:10:53] and you're right [1:10:54] Trump is non-ideological [1:10:55] the message was brilliant [1:10:57] because it said [1:10:58] one [1:10:59] the system is broken [1:11:00] America's not great anymore [1:11:02] but it used to be [1:11:03] we can make it great again [1:11:04] but in order to do it [1:11:05] we need to actually [1:11:06] bypass the system [1:11:07] why is it that [1:11:09] we never have victories [1:11:10] why is it that [1:11:10] things don't change [1:11:11] because of money [1:11:12] he said [1:11:13] and that's why [1:11:13] I'm different [1:11:14] I'm rich [1:11:15] I'm a billionaire [1:11:15] if I self-fund my campaign [1:11:17] and don't take [1:11:17] super PAC money [1:11:18] then I won't have to [1:11:20] listen to the lobbyists [1:11:21] and the special interests [1:11:22] I could fire the people [1:11:23] I need to fire [1:11:23] do the things [1:11:24] I need to do [1:11:24] that was like [1:11:25] a very powerful message [1:11:26] in 2016 [1:11:27] and after four years [1:11:29] I was one of the people [1:11:30] even back then [1:11:31] that said [1:11:31] look [1:11:31] it never materialized [1:11:33] he did wind up [1:11:34] taking super PAC money [1:11:35] he took APAC money [1:11:36] for that matter [1:11:37] Sheldon Adelson money [1:11:38] at that time [1:11:39] in 2016 [1:11:39] even in the first term [1:11:41] bombed Iran [1:11:42] in the first term [1:11:43] didn't build a wall [1:11:44] in the first term [1:11:44] didn't even reduce [1:11:45] illegal immigration [1:11:47] until 2019 [1:11:48] and I remember [1:11:49] the timeline perfectly [1:11:50] because I covered it [1:11:51] every day [1:11:51] it was like [1:11:52] in May and June 2019 [1:11:53] 20 year illegal immigration [1:11:55] high [1:11:56] in terms of month over month [1:11:57] but [1:11:58] why did I go for him [1:11:59] in 2020 [1:12:00] at the height of the pandemic [1:12:02] we all thought [1:12:02] on the right [1:12:03] that if anyone [1:12:04] other than Trump [1:12:05] was president [1:12:05] you were going to get [1:12:06] a vaccine mandate [1:12:07] which we really [1:12:08] didn't want to be forced [1:12:09] to take the vaccine [1:12:10] we thought the lockdown [1:12:11] might never end [1:12:12] we thought that censorship [1:12:13] would kick into overdrive [1:12:15] and so we said [1:12:16] really it's unacceptable [1:12:17] that anyone other than Trump [1:12:18] would just be a disaster [1:12:20] and then obviously [1:12:21] Biden came in [1:12:22] and I don't think [1:12:22] it was as bad [1:12:23] as we thought it would be [1:12:24] to tell you the truth [1:12:25] honestly [1:12:26] but by 2024 [1:12:27] I mean I was out [1:12:29] in 2024 [1:12:30] because everything [1:12:31] you're saying [1:12:31] is totally true [1:12:32] and I was telling people [1:12:33] on my side [1:12:34] I was saying [1:12:35] he's not going to [1:12:35] build the wall [1:12:36] and I know [1:12:37] you're against that [1:12:37] he's not going to [1:12:38] do the mass deportations [1:12:40] promising that [1:12:41] he's not going to [1:12:41] start no new wars [1:12:42] I said in 2024 [1:12:43] he's going to [1:12:44] take us to war in Iran [1:12:45] and the Ukraine war [1:12:46] I said that's not [1:12:46] going to end in one day [1:12:47] too complicated [1:12:49] we're already in it [1:12:49] and so I didn't vote [1:12:51] I didn't vote in 2024 [1:12:52] and I told my followers [1:12:54] not to vote for Trump [1:12:55] for that reason [1:12:56] and it was only [1:12:57] until a year later [1:12:58] after all the exuberance [1:12:59] died down [1:13:00] and people saw [1:13:00] the bearing of the Epstein files [1:13:02] the war in Iran [1:13:03] people said [1:13:03] you know what [1:13:04] you were right [1:13:04] you were right about Trump [1:13:05] even Alex Jones told me [1:13:07] you were right about Trump [1:13:08] I was all in on him [1:13:09] so I mean [1:13:11] as far as him being [1:13:12] vaporware is concerned [1:13:13] and a scammer [1:13:14] and fundamentally [1:13:15] you're 100% right [1:13:16] no ideological core [1:13:18] he's not an ideological guy [1:13:20] yeah it is [1:13:20] literally all about him [1:13:22] and I agree [1:13:22] he's a cruel narcissist [1:13:24] and you said [1:13:25] I like the cruelty [1:13:26] I do not like the cruelty [1:13:28] by the way [1:13:29] no I didn't say [1:13:29] you like the cruelty [1:13:30] I said I'm listening [1:13:31] to your thing [1:13:32] and you said [1:13:32] one of the things [1:13:33] that you liked about Levin [1:13:34] was the cruelty [1:13:35] and not for the cruelty's sake [1:13:37] it didn't seem to me [1:13:37] like this [1:13:38] it's because it was raw [1:13:40] it was [1:13:41] yeah [1:13:41] yeah [1:13:41] and that's [1:13:42] so I [1:13:42] I'm not saying that [1:13:44] no but I do [1:13:45] I agree [1:13:45] I think [1:13:45] I think he is cruel [1:13:47] and even what he said [1:13:48] on Easter [1:13:48] I mean we're Catholic [1:13:50] on Easter Sunday [1:13:51] he says we're going [1:13:52] to annihilate Iran [1:13:53] and then he made fun [1:13:55] of Allah [1:13:55] on Easter Sunday [1:13:56] so you know [1:13:58] that kind of stuff [1:13:59] it just totally [1:13:59] turned me off [1:14:00] entirely [1:14:00] is there anything [1:14:01] that you think [1:14:02] Trump can do [1:14:03] to like regain [1:14:04] the support of the [1:14:05] I guess Gen Z [1:14:06] and millennial right [1:14:06] no it's over [1:14:08] people see what he's made of [1:14:09] and Hunter's right [1:14:11] he's a liar [1:14:12] he is a liar [1:14:13] he is a bullshit artist [1:14:15] and especially [1:14:16] you look at what he did [1:14:17] with the Epstein files [1:14:18] with the war in Iran [1:14:19] what he did to Thomas Massey [1:14:21] this guy named [1:14:22] Thomas Massey [1:14:23] there's something [1:14:24] wrong with him [1:14:25] they just vote [1:14:26] no they love voting [1:14:27] no they think [1:14:28] it's good politically [1:14:29] you realize [1:14:29] that if you are [1:14:30] America first [1:14:31] you have no place [1:14:33] in this Republican Party [1:14:34] because he said it [1:14:34] he said our Republican Party [1:14:36] or rather [1:14:36] he said MAGA [1:14:37] is Mark Levin [1:14:39] Laura Loomer [1:14:39] Randy Fine [1:14:40] he said [1:14:41] and who is not MAGA [1:14:42] Megyn Kelly [1:14:43] Tucker [1:14:43] Alex Jones [1:14:44] Candace [1:14:45] and I think [1:14:46] most Republicans said [1:14:47] well we're with those [1:14:47] other people [1:14:48] we're not MAGA anymore [1:14:49] so [1:14:49] what do you think happens [1:14:50] Nick [1:14:51] I believe that we need [1:14:52] radical change [1:14:53] and I'm not talking about [1:14:54] violence or revolution [1:14:55] or things like that [1:14:55] I'm talking about [1:14:56] the only ways [1:14:57] that you can have [1:14:58] this kind of [1:14:58] radical rethinking [1:14:59] of the system [1:15:01] like there's so many [1:15:02] questions [1:15:02] like what do you think [1:15:03] about the Epstein files [1:15:04] what do you think [1:15:05] about the accountability [1:15:05] do you think [1:15:06] that he's broken [1:15:07] the system [1:15:08] to the degree [1:15:08] that we now [1:15:09] are basically [1:15:10] in a dictatorship light [1:15:12] no I actually [1:15:14] I have a lot of confidence [1:15:15] only because [1:15:16] I think the Democrats [1:15:17] are going to take [1:15:18] the House in 26 [1:15:19] which I support [1:15:19] I'm telling my people [1:15:20] vote Democrat [1:15:21] we want the Democrats [1:15:22] in the House [1:15:23] because what they're [1:15:24] going to do [1:15:24] is they're going to [1:15:25] use the oversight powers [1:15:26] to bring all the [1:15:27] corruption to light [1:15:27] because I know [1:15:28] Republicans will watch [1:15:29] this and when you say [1:15:30] you know we didn't [1:15:31] commit crime [1:15:31] they're going to be [1:15:32] skeptical [1:15:33] however [1:15:33] for the sake of [1:15:34] argument [1:15:35] let's say the income [1:15:36] you made during Biden [1:15:37] was ill gotten [1:15:38] for the sake of example [1:15:39] it's just not [1:15:41] doesn't hold a candle [1:15:42] it doesn't even come [1:15:43] close [1:15:43] doesn't even touch [1:15:44] Jared Kushner [1:15:45] Howard Lutnick [1:15:46] Steve Witkoff [1:15:47] Don Jr. [1:15:48] Trump himself [1:15:49] it's just a different [1:15:50] sport [1:15:50] it's a different [1:15:51] game entirely [1:15:52] and I want all that [1:15:53] corruption to be revealed [1:15:54] and I think the Democrats [1:15:55] are going to do it [1:15:56] I hope they get impeached [1:15:57] I don't think they'll be [1:15:58] removed from office [1:15:59] but I think it'll [1:16:00] basically drag this [1:16:01] administration to a halt [1:16:02] and then 28 [1:16:03] I think there's an [1:16:04] opportunity for a [1:16:05] clean reset [1:16:05] with both sides [1:16:07] right and left [1:16:07] hey guys [1:16:09] quick thing before [1:16:10] we get back to [1:16:10] Hunter and Nick [1:16:11] so these two guys [1:16:12] individually have been [1:16:13] hammered on all sides [1:16:15] by the American media [1:16:16] for years and if you [1:16:17] want to understand [1:16:18] why the coverage looks [1:16:19] the way it does [1:16:19] historically you've got [1:16:20] to ask an important [1:16:21] question that nobody [1:16:22] asks who owns the [1:16:24] outlets doing the [1:16:25] hammering who's doing [1:16:26] the hammering who funds [1:16:27] them who's on the board [1:16:29] of directors once you [1:16:31] trace the money the [1:16:32] whole two-party culture [1:16:33] war thing starts looking [1:16:34] a lot less like a real [1:16:35] fight and a lot more [1:16:36] like a business model [1:16:37] and a very effective one [1:16:39] and ground news is how [1:16:40] I see right through it [1:16:41] so ground news is the [1:16:43] dopest news aggregate [1:16:44] out there app and [1:16:46] website as well beyond [1:16:47] the ownership piece [1:16:48] every outlet gets a [1:16:49] bias rating and a [1:16:51] factuality score [1:16:51] and there's a blind [1:16:53] spot feature that [1:16:53] catches stories that [1:16:54] one side is hammering [1:16:55] while the other side [1:16:56] is completely ignoring [1:16:57] which happens more [1:16:58] than you'd believe [1:16:59] here's a perfect [1:16:59] example so my man [1:17:00] big Hunter Biden [1:17:01] big HB just won a [1:17:03] 1.7 million dollar [1:17:05] defamation suit [1:17:05] against ex-overstock [1:17:06] CEO Patrick Byrne [1:17:08] who lied and claimed [1:17:08] that Hunter took an [1:17:09] 800 million dollar [1:17:10] bribe from the Iranians [1:17:11] pull it up in ground [1:17:12] news so the WLT [1:17:13] report on the far [1:17:14] right the sister site [1:17:15] of welovetrump.com [1:17:16] spent four years [1:17:17] shitting on my boy [1:17:18] Hunter but today [1:17:20] the headline reads [1:17:21] Hunter scores stunning [1:17:22] 1.7 million dollar [1:17:24] court victory [1:17:24] wow stunning [1:17:25] now on the left [1:17:27] raw story says [1:17:28] Hunter gets last laugh [1:17:29] after judge orders [1:17:30] MAGA millionaire [1:17:31] to fork over [1:17:32] nearly 2 million [1:17:32] so on this story [1:17:33] as you can see [1:17:34] left right [1:17:35] everyone converges [1:17:37] that's the ownership [1:17:38] beat right there [1:17:38] WLT report [1:17:40] is a Trump loyal outlet [1:17:41] and even they had to [1:17:42] run the win straight [1:17:43] that's the ownership [1:17:44] beat right there [1:17:44] and when you can [1:17:45] actually see the [1:17:46] ownership inside of [1:17:47] ground news [1:17:47] you can really trust [1:17:49] exactly what you're [1:17:50] reading [1:17:50] look I don't do much [1:17:51] news commentary [1:17:52] I do documentaries [1:17:53] but before I sit down [1:17:54] with two guys who've [1:17:55] been extensively [1:17:56] attacked by the press [1:17:57] for years [1:17:57] I gotta know where [1:17:58] the coverage of them [1:17:59] is actually coming from [1:18:00] before I ask my [1:18:01] questions [1:18:01] and ground news [1:18:02] is exactly how I do it [1:18:03] if you want to be [1:18:04] just like me [1:18:05] and join the GNC5 [1:18:06] family [1:18:07] go to ground.news [1:18:08] slash channel 5 [1:18:09] or scan the QR code [1:18:10] on screen [1:18:11] you'll get 40% [1:18:12] off the Vantage plan [1:18:13] the illest plan [1:18:14] on the dopest app [1:18:15] in human history [1:18:15] break out of the [1:18:16] algorithm [1:18:17] ground news [1:18:17] alright back to [1:18:18] Hunter and Nick [1:18:19] whenever you talk [1:18:20] about Trump [1:18:20] sometimes you [1:18:21] you explain this [1:18:22] like nightmare [1:18:23] scenario that [1:18:24] revolves around [1:18:24] a Vance presidency [1:18:25] yes [1:18:26] what about [1:18:27] J.D. Vance [1:18:28] being in power [1:18:28] scares you so much [1:18:30] if Trump doesn't [1:18:31] have an ideological [1:18:32] core [1:18:32] then Vance [1:18:33] really doesn't [1:18:34] because Vance [1:18:34] is a chameleon [1:18:35] that's not his [1:18:36] real name [1:18:36] for openers [1:18:37] never had a real [1:18:38] job [1:18:39] these are all [1:18:40] sinecures given [1:18:40] to him by Peter [1:18:41] Thiel [1:18:41] six years ago [1:18:43] he's a never [1:18:43] Trumper [1:18:44] I'm a never [1:18:44] Trump guy [1:18:45] I never liked [1:18:46] him [1:18:46] I think that he's [1:18:47] leading people [1:18:47] in a very dark [1:18:48] direction and that's [1:18:49] ultimately what [1:18:50] worries me the most [1:18:51] terrible candidate [1:18:52] idiot if you [1:18:53] voted for him [1:18:54] might be America's [1:18:55] Hitler [1:18:55] I was wrong about [1:18:56] Donald Trump [1:18:57] I didn't think he [1:18:57] was going to be a [1:18:58] good president [1:18:58] Brett he was a [1:18:59] great president [1:19:00] now he's a [1:19:00] national conservative [1:19:02] national populist [1:19:03] and so we don't [1:19:04] even really know [1:19:04] who he is [1:19:05] I mean to me [1:19:05] this is this is [1:19:06] basically a [1:19:07] Manchurian candidate [1:19:08] this is a shell [1:19:09] and who is the [1:19:10] power behind him [1:19:11] it's the it's the [1:19:12] oligarchs it's the [1:19:13] little tech oligarchs [1:19:15] in bed with the CIA [1:19:16] you know especially [1:19:17] at this fever pitch [1:19:18] with AI I think [1:19:19] that's really dangerous [1:19:20] so to me him being [1:19:22] president's just a [1:19:23] worst scenario [1:19:24] in my mind [1:19:24] for the uninformed [1:19:25] viewer what is the [1:19:26] Palantir J.D. Vance [1:19:27] connection [1:19:27] well Palantir was [1:19:29] founded by Peter Thiel [1:19:30] and Peter Thiel is [1:19:31] very close with David [1:19:32] Sachs [1:19:32] J.D. Vance [1:19:33] was given his [1:19:34] first job in [1:19:35] Silicon Valley [1:19:36] by Thiel [1:19:36] Thiel hooked him [1:19:37] up with it [1:19:38] you know the [1:19:38] the CEO of that [1:19:39] company said it was [1:19:40] a personal favor to [1:19:41] Thiel that I hired [1:19:42] him and then Thiel [1:19:42] got him all his [1:19:43] jobs at these [1:19:44] various venture [1:19:44] capital firms [1:19:45] including his own [1:19:46] and then funding [1:19:47] J.D. Vance's [1:19:48] venture capital firm [1:19:49] Peter Thiel gave [1:19:50] 15 million dollars [1:19:51] to Vance when he [1:19:51] ran for Senate [1:19:52] in Ohio in 22 [1:19:53] Peter Thiel secured [1:19:55] President Trump's [1:19:56] endorsement for him [1:19:57] in 22 which [1:19:58] basically got him [1:19:58] the nomination and [1:19:59] the seat so I [1:20:00] mean as far as [1:20:01] anybody's concern [1:20:01] Vance owes his [1:20:02] entire political [1:20:03] career to Peter [1:20:04] Thiel who derives [1:20:06] his fortune from [1:20:07] Palantir [1:20:07] and now he's a [1:20:08] Catholic like you [1:20:09] and me [1:20:09] well he's a [1:20:10] convert so you [1:20:11] know [1:20:12] beware the convert [1:20:13] yeah [1:20:13] so do you think [1:20:15] that Trump's [1:20:16] unfulfillment of [1:20:16] his campaign promises [1:20:17] was a result of him [1:20:18] being like compromised [1:20:19] by somebody connected [1:20:20] to that structure [1:20:20] or do you think he [1:20:21] always just never [1:20:21] cared [1:20:22] I don't know [1:20:23] that it's he [1:20:24] never cared I [1:20:24] just think that [1:20:25] you know me I'm [1:20:26] an idealist so I [1:20:28] think about the [1:20:28] ideas and the [1:20:29] concepts Trump is a [1:20:31] businessman and so I [1:20:32] think with him [1:20:32] everything's transactional [1:20:33] and I said this in [1:20:34] 2024 he knew Trump [1:20:37] knew the voters [1:20:38] would swallow [1:20:39] anything the voters [1:20:41] could not would not [1:20:42] walk away from the [1:20:43] table because they [1:20:43] were enamored with [1:20:44] him I could stand in [1:20:45] the middle of Fifth [1:20:46] Avenue and shoot [1:20:47] somebody and I [1:20:47] wouldn't lose any [1:20:48] voters okay it's [1:20:49] like incredible so he [1:20:50] knew he could break [1:20:52] every promise with [1:20:53] them in order to [1:20:54] fulfill promises for [1:20:55] the donor class which [1:20:56] is Little Tech the [1:20:57] Israel Lobby and [1:20:58] Wall Street the [1:21:00] bankers Tim Mellon [1:21:01] you know the big [1:21:02] asset managers so I [1:21:04] think with him [1:21:04] everything's business [1:21:05] everything's a [1:21:06] transaction and that's [1:21:07] why you can't trust [1:21:09] him you have to do [1:21:10] business and in 24 I [1:21:12] said we should all [1:21:13] collectively say we're [1:21:14] not going to vote [1:21:15] unless he makes [1:21:16] certain commitments [1:21:17] and not enough people [1:21:18] did that but I mean [1:21:20] that that's fundamentally [1:21:21] his flaw your critique [1:21:22] of this like elite power [1:21:23] structure sounds like [1:21:24] vaguely anti-capitalist [1:21:25] it's not it's not [1:21:27] anti-capitalist you [1:21:28] know capitalism says [1:21:30] the capital large [1:21:31] amounts of capital [1:21:32] will be held in [1:21:32] private hands which I [1:21:34] believe in I am a [1:21:35] capitalist but I think [1:21:37] what is happening is [1:21:38] that it's the way that [1:21:40] money is used in [1:21:41] government there needs [1:21:42] to be a distinct and [1:21:43] separate national power [1:21:45] that it that [1:21:46] subordinates the money [1:21:47] power to it the [1:21:48] problem is the [1:21:49] billionaires by all the [1:21:50] elections by all the [1:21:51] media control public [1:21:52] perception and so [1:21:54] really we're all [1:21:55] subsidiary then to the [1:21:57] market so I I support [1:21:58] capitalism but it just [1:22:00] has to be underneath the [1:22:02] nation underneath the [1:22:03] state it seems like you [1:22:04] have a pretty optimistic [1:22:05] perspective on the year [1:22:07] 2028 well he's going to [1:22:08] get a third term so [1:22:09] Trump 28 Trump is going [1:22:11] to be president 28 kind [1:22:12] of keep coming back to [1:22:13] this like clean election [1:22:14] year do you think that's [1:22:15] going to be like a [1:22:16] renaissance year for [1:22:17] outsider candidates and [1:22:18] outside media channels [1:22:19] like this one it can be I [1:22:20] think it certainly can be [1:22:21] because I think there's [1:22:22] frustration on the right [1:22:23] and on the left you know [1:22:24] you see even in the [1:22:25] primaries on the [1:22:26] democrat side it's all [1:22:27] DSA progressive types [1:22:29] that are winning you [1:22:30] ironically have the same [1:22:31] frustration on the left [1:22:32] with their establishment [1:22:33] as we have on the right [1:22:35] and so I think you know [1:22:36] in 2028 it's going to be [1:22:37] a year where there'll be a [1:22:38] competitive republican [1:22:39] primary and democratic [1:22:41] primary and hopefully the [1:22:42] people make their voice [1:22:43] heard and we get we get [1:22:44] some new options you know [1:22:46] maybe that reflect the [1:22:47] will of the people more [1:22:48] yeah so what do you [1:22:50] think about somebody like [1:22:51] mom donnie personally I [1:22:52] don't like him I don't [1:22:54] like some of the things [1:22:55] that he said like for [1:22:56] example on fourth of July [1:22:57] when he takes the [1:22:58] opportunity to sit there [1:22:59] with let's be honest not [1:23:00] a single white person in [1:23:02] the room and says you [1:23:03] know the founding fathers [1:23:05] or would look down on us [1:23:07] the working people with [1:23:08] their dirt street hands [1:23:09] against the billionaires I [1:23:11] think it's a little too [1:23:12] divisive I like his energy [1:23:14] I like that he's young [1:23:15] it's ironic [1:23:16] fair enough [1:23:18] that's really funny but no [1:23:21] but it seems it seems [1:23:22] pointed at me [1:23:23] I know but I [1:23:24] yeah but [1:23:25] but the thing [1:23:28] he was dissing you in that [1:23:29] video yeah staring down the [1:23:30] camera like just from you [1:23:31] Nick you son of a bitch [1:23:33] people like me [1:23:33] yeah but um what I see is [1:23:36] somebody is using government [1:23:38] for exactly the purpose that [1:23:39] you just said is to break the [1:23:41] oligopoly to target the anger [1:23:43] towards a tiny tiny tiny [1:23:46] percentage of the population [1:23:47] that is uh that has [1:23:50] controlled the the levers of [1:23:53] government from the White [1:23:54] House down to the the [1:23:56] mayor's um office in New York [1:23:58] City or Peoria Illinois to [1:24:00] that matter and even more so [1:24:02] as you go further down that [1:24:04] chain and so I look at [1:24:06] somebody like Mondani and [1:24:07] and regardless of his [1:24:10] delivery which may be off [1:24:12] putting particularly for [1:24:14] somebody coming from [1:24:14] your side is that he's [1:24:16] delivering man you know what [1:24:18] I mean he's really delivering [1:24:20] you know like I saw somebody [1:24:22] going after Mom Donnie for [1:24:23] some of this stuff and and [1:24:25] um particularly about rent [1:24:27] control you know it was like [1:24:29] well how do you think that [1:24:30] the middle class was built [1:24:31] after World War II in the GI [1:24:33] bill and and rent control [1:24:34] buildings that created those [1:24:37] communities that we were [1:24:38] talking about an hour ago [1:24:40] the GI bill provides returning [1:24:42] soldiers and veterans a range [1:24:45] of benefits including mortgages [1:24:47] to purchase homes loans to go [1:24:50] to school and this really was [1:24:52] instrumental in creating a new [1:24:54] American middle class created [1:24:56] the availability for somebody [1:24:59] that was 26 years old that had a [1:25:01] job with the MTA to be able to [1:25:03] live and work in the city and put [1:25:06] the kid in the school with the [1:25:09] idea that they would be safe [1:25:11] walking there and go to a park [1:25:13] that you know where the with water [1:25:15] fountains worked that's what I see [1:25:16] him trying to do I mean by the way [1:25:18] it's just so tired and you know [1:25:21] he's a communist communist like it's [1:25:23] about the communists like who even [1:25:25] says that anymore nobody you know what [1:25:28] but it's 19 you know 81 and you know [1:25:32] we're watching Rocky 5 and worried [1:25:34] about the communists you know what I [1:25:35] mean I just don't I don't get it [1:25:37] Rocky 4 my my whole Philly legitimacy [1:25:45] was just blown right there [1:25:47] but it's just kind of and so I look at [1:25:49] somebody like Mom Donnie I think well [1:25:52] he's just talking about good government [1:25:53] like what do you think about health [1:25:54] care don't you think that there should [1:25:56] be a single-payer system don't you [1:25:58] think that there should be some [1:25:59] guarantee as a right because I don't [1:26:02] know how you make it in this country [1:26:03] and aspire to a middle-class life and [1:26:06] be able to afford a you know [1:26:08] catastrophic event as it relates to [1:26:10] your health I mean it's over you're [1:26:11] done yeah I don't support single [1:26:13] payer but I do believe that everybody [1:26:15] should be entitled to some minimum [1:26:16] level of coverage catastrophic [1:26:18] insurance so in principle I agree [1:26:20] which is Medicare for all to a certain [1:26:22] degree right I mean because that's [1:26:23] all the Medicare does right now but [1:26:26] why is that radical see I don't think [1:26:28] that's necessarily radical but I to [1:26:30] to to them it's because we've been [1:26:33] convinced that it's yeah those others [1:26:37] yeah no them I mean the insurance [1:26:40] companies sure and the the the their [1:26:43] lobbyists who control 55 percent of the [1:26:46] of Congress regardless of who's in power [1:26:49] right yeah well and I don't think that's [1:26:51] necessarily the most radical I think [1:26:53] though he is with the DSA the [1:26:55] Democratic Socialists of America he [1:26:57] backs all these DSA candidates and [1:26:59] let's be honest a lot of them are [1:27:00] radical like I saw one of these [1:27:02] candidates that just won in New York [1:27:04] couple weeks ago this Chevalier [1:27:06] candidate there's a picture she hates my [1:27:09] dad yeah I know she said about my dad [1:27:12] awful things about him yeah and she says [1:27:14] uh oh I didn't have a napkin to wipe my [1:27:16] hands so I used the American flag yeah [1:27:18] yeah by the way I think it's crazy but I [1:27:21] but like the same way that you know I [1:27:23] thought a lot of the the stuff that some [1:27:25] people that got elected in 2016 2020 [1:27:29] even during the tea party you know kind [1:27:30] of movement was you know egregious again [1:27:33] egregious if it's a legitimate rape [1:27:35] uh the female body has ways to try to [1:27:38] shut that whole thing down [1:27:39] so what do we do what do we do Nick I [1:27:41] think a better question for real [1:27:43] what do we do can you at least come a [1:27:47] little bit to this way if you can come a [1:27:49] little this way I can here's where here's [1:27:50] where I can come is this do you get what [1:27:53] I'm saying yes about the Holocaust thing [1:27:55] oh uh about that um no I mean really I [1:27:58] do I do um and listen uh here's what I'll [1:28:02] say now that I'm older I I do think that's um [1:28:08] not the best approach so I agree with you on [1:28:10] that and I and I see it as I get older you [1:28:12] know because let's be honest saying those [1:28:15] things when I'm a younger guy when I'm you [1:28:17] know 18 20 it's like you got to think that's [1:28:20] just the age Jews are running society women [1:28:22] need to shut the up blacks need to be [1:28:25] imprisoned for the most part and a lot of [1:28:26] young people think that's funny and [1:28:28] everything like that I think that it also [1:28:30] goes with the medium as well live streaming [1:28:32] social media that's just what it rewards [1:28:34] um so yeah I think that people should uh try [1:28:36] to move past some of that I'll try but if [1:28:39] you if you try yeah okay absolutely real [1:28:44] and as it relates to when you talk about [1:28:47] Israel Netanyahu Likud government what's [1:28:50] happening now what's happened for the past [1:28:52] 20 years in terms of whether the funding [1:28:53] to Israel whether you think it is it's [1:28:55] really important that you make a distinction [1:28:57] between that and Jews because here's the [1:29:00] thing okay Zora Mandani has a higher [1:29:03] favorability rating in the United States [1:29:05] among Jews than Bibi Netanyahu does I think [1:29:09] 65 percent of American Jews disagree with [1:29:12] the approach that the Israeli government has [1:29:14] right now they don't disagree with you but [1:29:16] they completely turn off when they hear the [1:29:19] conflation of Jews Zionism Israel as and and [1:29:24] think automatically anti-semitism whether [1:29:26] it's fair or not okay but you have to [1:29:29] understand it and you have to understand it [1:29:31] from a cultural perspective in which the [1:29:34] recent history is only one data point in [1:29:38] 2000 years of history as it relates to what [1:29:41] it means to be a Jew of which is there is [1:29:43] what one percent point five percent of the [1:29:46] entire world's population because I don't [1:29:48] know what it adds to your argument or what [1:29:49] it adds to your argument about [1:29:51] Miriam Adelson being able to give 300 [1:29:54] million dollars to Donald Trump and commit [1:29:57] to giving another 300 million dollars to [1:29:59] get her way and we end up in a war with [1:30:00] Iran yeah well and I think that's a valid [1:30:03] point I do think though that the issue is [1:30:05] broader than just Netanyahu [1:30:07] oh maybe by the way it obviously Netanyahu has a base [1:30:11] within Israel within the within the Jewish [1:30:13] community here in the United States with [1:30:15] Jared Kushner you know what I mean [1:30:17] Jared Kushner who's unelected not a member [1:30:19] of our government is having as more control [1:30:22] over the direction of the everyday lives of [1:30:25] American people right now than anybody that [1:30:27] I know of and meanwhile all he's doing is [1:30:29] building a six billion dollar private equity [1:30:31] fund with the people he is negotiating for [1:30:34] and I always say look who's getting look who's [1:30:37] paying him and wondering whose interest that [1:30:39] he is advancing he's getting paid by the [1:30:42] Saudis and get paid by the Emiratis paid by [1:30:44] the Qataris he's getting paid go down the [1:30:46] list and for some reason he is in control [1:30:51] along with um uh Steve Witkoff who was also [1:30:54] not elected by anybody of deciding whether or [1:30:57] not the straits of our moves are going to [1:30:58] open up and uh and whether or not our our [1:31:02] gas prices are going to go down it may not [1:31:04] matter to the three of us necessarily you [1:31:06] know an extra dollar 60 cents or 85 cents but [1:31:09] you know what to 85 percent of the people that [1:31:12] live in america it means it it's the difference [1:31:14] between whether or not they're going to be able [1:31:16] to pay rent you know whether or not you're going [1:31:19] to be able to actually put the gas in your car in [1:31:21] montana to drive to your job on the you know on the [1:31:24] ranch well and here's what i'll say to you and this [1:31:27] is something kind of why i want to do this [1:31:28] interview is emphasize the message that as far as [1:31:31] jews are concerned in general i think that it's the [1:31:34] same standard that applies to everybody which is as [1:31:36] long as you're patriotic as long as you believe americans [1:31:39] should be put first by their government i have no [1:31:41] problem at all and i think that everybody in the [1:31:44] country should be treated with dignity and respect [1:31:46] and have their civil rights it's just this acute problem of [1:31:49] these people like you mentioned like larry ellison and miriam adelson and jared [1:31:53] kushner they're putting some other country before the [1:31:56] interest of our own and that in principle is what i have a problem with [1:31:59] there is going to be some people who watch this and feel like all right no [1:32:02] take backsies and they might feel like you're just kind of trying to [1:32:05] moderate and that now that you've achieved your goal and got a lot of [1:32:08] support you're kind of moderating because your [1:32:10] main aim has already been achieved which is to sort of have a generational [1:32:13] run and pop off so now you're trying to [1:32:15] kind of make your way more into the mainstream discourse [1:32:18] but you'll just go back again into the same sort of reactionary rhetoric once [1:32:21] you're back in a number one spot well i don't even think i'm [1:32:24] moderating and i even told our mutual friend [1:32:27] uh it's it's not even a moderation it's not even an apology it's [1:32:31] clarifying because you know all along i've been saying [1:32:34] this message it's just that the way that i'm saying it [1:32:38] changes and evolves and i also think how people respond to it changes as well [1:32:42] because let's be honest 10 years ago there was a very different kind of [1:32:46] conversation about israel you could not mention it in a negative or [1:32:50] critical way without being utterly annihilated in [1:32:53] politics we all know that ever since october 7th that's not the case anymore [1:32:57] so i think that there's a there's sort of something reciprocal [1:33:01] happening which is that people are receiving me differently [1:33:04] and as someone that's growing older and more mature i'm even [1:33:07] representing myself differently so i i wouldn't even call moderating just [1:33:11] clarifying people are more receptive and i'm maybe [1:33:14] better able to articulate it and you think that's because you've kind of [1:33:16] gotten older and been able to have like a longer career in media to reflect on [1:33:20] different changes in your perhaps brain chemistry and lifestyle [1:33:23] that's a huge thing i mean i know it's 27 i have a very different mentality than i [1:33:27] did when i was 20. what's the main kind of main difference you think [1:33:30] just more even keeled and i think every you know you know too it's like when [1:33:33] you're 20 you're just like a maniac and then you hit 25 and you're like all [1:33:36] right you know i was a maniac when i was 49. [1:33:41] my brain my brain chemistry has definitely changed in the last seven years [1:33:45] too you know and and i do believe that people can grow and they can change and [1:33:50] i'm not asking you to and i'm not asking you to say things but there are [1:33:54] certain things that i just hope that you can hear without [1:33:58] feeling attacked that some of the things that you said [1:34:02] whether it's edge learning otherwise are really hurtful and then people [1:34:05] completely turn off to the idea of being able to listen to you about anything and [1:34:08] then you get dug in more and you're like go go fuck yourself like you know you [1:34:11] can't take a joke kind of thing and that's not what it is it's not just wokeism [1:34:15] it's just it's not it's um people being really really hurt by it [1:34:20] and um and i accept your apology for all the mean things you said about me [1:34:26] yes yeah you know i'm i'm uh i'm on my apology tour is that the one thing you [1:34:31] did say you said i was a degenerate crackhead [1:34:34] me i have to the problem with that not you me yeah yeah and i also said you were [1:34:38] cool though yeah now by the way you said a degenerate crackhead and you know what [1:34:41] i'm not even mad about that because i was a degenerate crackhead i spent more time [1:34:45] on my hands and knees smoking anything that even remotely resembled crack cocaine it's true [1:34:53] and now you're sober yeah i find it interesting you also said that you've never drank before [1:34:56] right yeah i've never had a drink never done drugs that's because you grew up [1:35:01] you know with me he's like don't be that guy i grew up with you too and i was doing yeah yeah [1:35:08] you're not as smart as he is my brother never drank my dad too and um i was gonna ask you nick [1:35:16] what kind of prompted your choice to just like be sober for life and never drink well uh you know [1:35:21] a big part of is i had a lot of addiction in my family you know my grandfather was an alcoholic [1:35:26] committed suicide uncle died from an overdose from crack cocaine my mom two of her uncles heroin [1:35:33] addicts for their entire lives and it just devastated my family devastated both of my parents [1:35:39] and uh and so i know i have that addictive personality and probably have the genetics for it [1:35:43] and and not only that but i like being rational i like having my sober mind i think that's actually a [1:35:49] sacred thing uh to have unimpaired reason so the thought of losing control and and even being tempted to [1:35:56] get into you know worse things i just thought it's just not worth the risk so it's just never for me [1:36:02] well how much by the way sorry do we have time is it is it how much do you think um covet warped [1:36:10] not just your generation but everybody i i because i i have this this theory that that there was this [1:36:16] thing that broke for us with covet and um and that nobody's really come to terms with how [1:36:23] traumatic that was for for everyone and especially for the younger generations i think severely less for [1:36:29] the older generations but for the younger people missing the graduations missing critical years in [1:36:35] school that's when the socialization happens that's when you learn to get along and so you think about [1:36:39] how this generation is going to grow up having two to three lost years uh you know no sports no school [1:36:46] no extracurriculars vacations it's devastating and we already had a problem with that isolation social [1:36:52] dislocation loneliness i can't even imagine so it's going to be devastating i think but that's a [1:36:58] lockdown so maybe if you're watching this video after this you know put your phone or computer away [1:37:03] go outside and make a friend just do anything but scroll to the next video back in the day during [1:37:08] nickelodeon they had go outside day oh yeah you know i feel like we need we need like one day a week [1:37:12] where it's mandated in a tech oligarch sense that no one can go on their phone or use the computer man i would [1:37:17] love that i mean that's one thing is if we could the one thing we could all agree on the way i say [1:37:21] it now is you're all carrying around a bag of heroin in your in your pocket everybody is and it's it's [1:37:26] probably even more dangerous in some ways would either of you guys ever run for office are you asking [1:37:32] me for real yeah um no i think that that politics the way that my dad engaged in it and i'm obviously [1:37:40] incredibly biased is an incredibly noble thing but i that's not that's not where my head is in [1:37:47] terms of what i want to do i want to reach my whole thing is is that forget all of this i want [1:37:53] to reach a million people in addiction i think one of the biggest things about addiction and one of the [1:37:58] reasons why it is as uh that continues to be this um you know epidemic is that we don't talk about it [1:38:05] is that you don't even talk about it around your dinner table and what you realize if you're coming [1:38:11] from my particular unique situation is that everybody comes to me and they give me they tell me their [1:38:17] story and sharing that is like you know breaks that cycle of shame and so i want to reach a million [1:38:24] people in addiction how about you nick would you ever run for office i don't think so no um just [1:38:29] because you can't i don't think you can fully be authentic when you're running for office because [1:38:33] you uh it's a different role and i think my role they say according to the overton window idea ideas [1:38:40] that are inside the overton window are ideas that are politically safe the public is ready to accept them [1:38:46] they say that if you want to change people's opinions and uh what they consider acceptable [1:38:50] you kind of have to be the first to the punch and maybe considered a bad person or evil or whatever [1:38:55] in order to promote your view and so that just doesn't lend itself to that kind of uh politics so [1:39:00] i think to protect my own integrity and authenticity the message i have to not run for office see what we [1:39:06] just did we just made probably the entire audience happy one half is glad i'm not running the other [1:39:12] half is really glad he's not running well if not you guys then is there any candidate or [1:39:17] prospective candidate that you feel like could run in 2028 that would you know have a fair shot that [1:39:22] y'all support nobody in particular for me i honestly i haven't really been too impressed with who's come [1:39:27] out of the republican party so i'm hoping they'll just be somebody we haven't heard of somebody maybe [1:39:31] that hasn't been in office before he's voting for gavin newsom that's right yeah well if it's newsom [1:39:38] advance i'd certainly think about it yeah how about you anybody that you know creates a twinkle in your [1:39:44] eye no i think that there are a lot of people i mean i know that you think that you're gonna laugh [1:39:50] at me but i i i personally like gavin newsom a lot i think that um he's authentic in those police [1:39:55] whether you whether you agree with them or not thomas massey's uh principal stand as it relates to [1:40:00] to um the epstein files was incredibly courageous do not let the senate muck this bill up [1:40:06] i am sorry if one of your billionaire donors is going to get embarrassed because he went to rape [1:40:12] island and that's why he's not going to be a congressman anymore but that's why you know he [1:40:16] could potentially make a really strong national candidate and you guys think america will exist [1:40:21] in a post epstein capture freeway will america exist yeah like you know will america survive the [1:40:27] current power structures stranglehold on the media the political system and all public affairs i don't [1:40:32] know i i think ai is going to really be transformative it's interesting nobody seems to be talking [1:40:36] about that transformative in what sense like for for bad concentration of power that's the biggest [1:40:41] single biggest and you know what i'm actually on the liberal side on this with anthropic over the [1:40:47] let's say you know because there's this battle between these effective altruists effective [1:40:52] accelerationists and i really am nervous about what's going to happen especially in the next four [1:40:57] years because they're racing towards this artificial general intelligence artificial super intelligence [1:41:02] and that without a doubt is going to be the single biggest influence on the country and so i'm really [1:41:07] worried about and what about that concern is it surveillance it's the concentration of power in the [1:41:12] hands of whoever controls it whichever firm is the one to develop asi that could confer dictatorial like [1:41:18] powers upon the ceo of that company so whether that's sam altman or it's dario you know if the [1:41:24] artificial intelligence is aligned with its creator that person will become the most powerful person in the [1:41:29] history of mankind it's almost an inherent truth in my opinion what he just said is that the the [1:41:34] greatest leap and uh human evolution is going to happen within our lifetimes agi let alone you know [1:41:41] super intelligence is everything that we think about the way in which we exist in the world completely [1:41:47] changes and i don't think that that's in any way hyperbole and if you listen to the people that are [1:41:53] developing these technologies right now they are the they are the most um alarmist i think ai will [1:42:00] probably like most likely sort of lead to the end of the world if you want to know what life's like [1:42:05] when you're not the apex intelligence ask a chicken and now by the way i think that there's an enormous [1:42:12] possibility for incredibly beneficial things to society like the being able to cure cancer [1:42:20] i just think of this one thing everything that ai is built on is ours belongs to you and you and you [1:42:27] all the way back through the the human civilization that's what they're stealing from us and they're [1:42:32] putting it into the hands of literally a a handful of people all of that human knowledge [1:42:39] and and and the value that comes from it and i think that that's ours so any ai that is developed [1:42:46] particularly that goes to agee should be a it should be communal it should be shared in in the [1:42:51] not just the beneficial offshoots of it but the actual money of it should be shared yeah i totally [1:42:57] agree with that i think it's like nuclear bombs but it's also a commodity at the same time the [1:43:02] weapons potential the economic potential i think that's going to be the biggest thing and i hope on [1:43:07] some level that liberals win that argument because you know what trump is doing with the pentagon [1:43:13] anthropic and open ai the way they're handling it is so reckless and sloppy and and just honestly [1:43:20] unbelievable so we need some adults in the room on that one well it's been a great conversation i [1:43:25] appreciate you guys for coming you guys have any final questions you want to ask to each other or [1:43:29] maybe a message you want to give to the american people i still believe in america and i truly believe [1:43:34] in these conversations and i think everyone that's watching would think that i would would not want to [1:43:39] sit down with nick and this i guess what i'm getting at with you is that is that i hope you [1:43:43] see the humanity of me and so when the way that you that you talk in the future takes that into [1:43:48] consideration and what i'll do is is i i will see the humanity in you yeah i agree i think it was a [1:43:54] great conversation and i think that you know we have to come together on the things that we agree on [1:43:59] which is for example that we love the country we both believe in america we both want the country to [1:44:04] succeed and and i like what you said that we see the fundamental humanity in each other and i think [1:44:09] that you know especially in the events of the last year the killing of charlie kirk you realize that's [1:44:13] actually not something that that people on both sides share i think there's people on the right and [1:44:17] the left that don't see the humanity in the other side and so maybe that's the new consensus or that's [1:44:22] where it can come together is on the basis that you know we disagree on fundamental issues and even [1:44:28] sometimes it gets heated and we yell at each other but that we do ultimately want the best for each [1:44:32] other we love each other we want the country to succeed and i think that's a starting point for [1:44:37] any solution in any conversation all right american brothers thank you guys so much for your time i 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