Man Who Set Councilman on Fire Locked Up for Decades

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Server goes back in session remain seated remain silent, please. [00:00:09] Speaker 2: All right, Shotzi Buck Hayes, please. This is the case of the Commonwealth of Virginia versus Shotzi Buck Hayes, is the Commonwealth ready? Yes. The defense ready? Yes, Your Honor. On the direct and reflect the defense of Mr. Buck Hayes, the president of the court, Mr. Lovato, Mr. Pack, the Commonwealth is written by Mr. Newman. The defendant was before the court for sentencing on charges of aggravating malicious wounding and attempted... [00:01:00] Speaker ?: I cannot do that Mr. Lovato, I don't have any problem marking it as a defense attorney. [00:01:22] Speaker 2: I cannot do that Mr. Lovato, I don't have any problem marking it as a defense attorney. Mr. Lovato, there are specific things that can and cannot be part of a pre-sentence report and character reference letters are not part of a pre-sentence report, so we'll make that defensive to the court. Yes, Your Honor. Any other additions or corrections to the pre-sentence report? Mr. Lovato, no. All right. They'll be made part of the records. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. Any other additions or corrections to the pre-sentence report? Mr. Lovato, no. No. All right. They'll be made part of the records. [00:01:56] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Good morning, sir. Good morning, sir. Do you want to leave over the victim's father, in this case, correct? Yes. As such, we have taught this is your opportunity to address the court, the court's death, and the court's death, and the court's death. It's not a matter of death. It's not a matter of death. It's not a matter of death. It's not a matter of death. [00:02:11] Speaker 3: It's not a matter of death. It's not a matter of death. It's not a matter of death. It's not a matter of death. It's not a matter of death. It's not a matter of death. It's not a matter of death. It's not a matter of death. 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[00:31:27] Speaker 7: Now, I mean, he's obviously pled guilty for this. He's spared us a trial here and accepted responsibility. But you knew him before this. Were you also aware of the affair going on? I don't know if that was relevant. I don't know if that was relevant. I'm not relevant to the question of how it affected her in the entirety. There's much more than just this event going on. So I'm just trying to figure out the impact of the whole scenario. I'm going to sustain that. Yes, sir. When hanging out with, or spending time with Mr. Bookcase, had you guys had any issues? I mean, did you, um, the time that you did spend together, was it decent times? Was this something that, um, you said you spent five or six times, and so there wasn't any issues when you're hanging out? There was no bad blood or anything when you guys were hanging out? [00:32:29] Speaker ?: No. [00:32:30] Speaker 6: No. No. [00:32:32] Speaker ?: No. No. No. [00:32:35] Speaker 6: There's no bad blood. [00:33:05] Speaker 3: He told me clear or affirm that the evidence of you in the case now before the court should be the truth, the whole truth, and others of the truth to help you God. [00:33:16] Speaker 4: Good morning, sir. I believe the full name is Dr. Jack Lee Bowman. You go by Lee, correct? Yes, sir. You are the victim of this case. Yes, sir. This is your opportunity to tell the court how, as a victim of this case, this is the effect that you and your family are. [00:33:35] Speaker 9: My name is Lee Vogler. I'm the husband of Blair Vogler and the father of our two children, Kingston and Ava. On July 30, 2025, I was ambushed and violently attacked at my place of employment with no warning by someone I had not seen or spoken to in roughly eight months. I am here today to speak about the emotional, physical, and financial consequences that my family and I continue to face as a direct result of that attack. When you look at the physical toll, it is hard to comprehend until you live it. I suffered third-degree burns to 60% of my body, my chest, most of my left arm, my back, my neck, my face, and both of my hands. Parts of my ears were essentially melted away. The recovery has been grueling in several skin graft surgeries, laser surgeries, and a reality where I know more surgeries await me in the years ahead. I suffered severe nerve damage that required months of intense physical therapy. I had significant damage to my lungs, which still affects how I breathe and speak. I spent nearly a month in a coma at the burn intensive care unit, battling infections in 90% of my body. At that time, my survival seemed almost impossible. Today, the thick scarring from those grafts causes severe stiffness and tightness, restricting my mobility. I lived with constant shooting pain and numbness in my extremities. But the hardest part is the loss of normalcy. I still struggle to tie my own shoes, button my own shirt, or even shave my face. For months, I couldn't dress myself at all. The nerve damage makes simple things, like turning a doorknob, typing, or popping open a can, a struggle. Perhaps most painful is the loss of connection with my children. I couldn't play catch with my son for months. Even now, it's difficult. I can't lift my arms fully, which limits my ability to play with my daughter. My daughter was only seven years old when this happened. It is already difficult for her to remember who I was before this attack. I have been, and they have been, robbed of a life where I could be the father they deserve. A father with full functionality. Beyond the physical, the psychological trauma is profound. I have nightmares constantly, waking up feeling like I am back in the flames. When someone knocks on a door, I jump. When I see my attacker's face on social media, I am instantly transported back to that moment of the ambush. All of this put together is a pain I would not wish on my worst enemy. My children have had to seek counselors to cope with this, and I have required professional help and medication just to manage the anxiety. Then there is the economic burden. For six months after the attack, neither my wife nor I could work. As a primarily commission-based worker, for me, that meant a large portion of our income vanished. When I finally returned, I had to fight to acclimate physically and mentally. Even now, my reduced typing efficiency impacts my ability to earn. Between the dozens of out-of-town medical trips, the fuel costs, the need to replace our vehicle, and the ongoing cost of medications, sunscreen, and specialty clothing, the financial strain on our family has been immense. Your Honor, every facet of our existence, emotional, physical, and financial, has been permanently altered. [00:38:02] Speaker ?: We face new obstacles every single day as we grapple with the fallout of this trauma. [00:38:08] Speaker 9: These repercussions will follow us for years to come. My attacker is an evil, violent individual. He knew exactly what he was doing. He had many opportunities to not follow through with it. He not only tried to kill me, he tried to do it in the most inhumane way possible. And if not for the grace of God, an incredible medical team at UNC, and my sheer will to live, you all would be discussing a murder charge today. I ask that he be held accountable to the fullest extent of the law, so he never again has the opportunity to do to someone else what he did to me. Thank you for the court. [00:38:58] Speaker ?: Questions? No. Thank you, sir. That's the extent of the evidence from Conwell Fish. All right. [00:39:07] Speaker 2: The evidence on behalf of Mr. Burkman? [00:39:10] Speaker 10: Yes, that's your honor. I'm going to call Dr. Megan Cocktail. [00:39:16] Speaker 3: Good morning, ma'am. [00:39:37] Speaker 10: Good morning. If you would, please state your name for the court and for the record. I'm Megan Elizabeth Cocktail. [00:39:42] Speaker 11: And how are you currently employed? I am an assistant medical director and psychiatrist at Central State Hospital. [00:39:53] Speaker 10: All right. This time, I would like to designate her as an expert witness in the field of psychiatric medical care, Donna. Any objection? No, no. Thank you, ma'am. And have you been previously admitted as an expert, ma'am? [00:40:10] Speaker 12: No. [00:40:11] Speaker 10: Okay. And what is the regular component of your professional practice? [00:40:18] Speaker 11: So, I work currently in max security at Central State. [00:40:23] Speaker 10: Yeah. And did you have an opportunity to see Mr. Shotzi Buckhead? Yes. Okay. And how many times did you observe him? [00:40:35] Speaker 11: Probably he was, I think I took over his care on August 5th. It was August 1st, 18th. I probably saw him at least 10 times. [00:40:45] Speaker 10: Okay. And when you say August 5th, I assume you're talking August 5th of 2025. So, that was after the date of offense in this particular incident, correct? Correct. All right. And what was the nature of your involvement with him? [00:41:00] Speaker 11: So, I was his primary psychiatrist or psychiatric attending. He had been admitted to Central State under a horrendous TDO on August 1st, 2025. [00:41:11] Speaker 10: And what mental health conditions, if any, did you observe with Mr. Buckhead? [00:41:19] Speaker 11: So, he was admitted with acute suicidality. And we ultimately diagnosed him with primary diagnosis of 5-4-1 disorder, which is an episode, manic, unlikely mix, with secondary diagnosis of personality disorder, most likely borderline personality disorder, and traumatic stress disorder, with dissociative episodes. Okay. [00:41:49] Speaker 10: And you said, what was the last thing that you just said? Dissociative episodes. Okay. Yeah, but the... Oh, I'm sorry. PTSD or post-traumatic stress disorder. All right. So, PTSD with disassociative episodes. Is that correct? Yeah. If you would, tell the court what those, how those would display in someone like Mr. Buckhead. [00:42:10] Speaker 11: So, 5-4-1 disorder is an affective disorder, which means it's a disorder of mood and energy. In order to be diagnosed with 5-4-1, individuals must have had these more manic outcomes. A manic-episode is a period of at least seven days of elevated energy or mood. And individuals present with, they can present a very irritable affect, so even though we say elevated mood, a lot of times we think of before, it can be very irritable. Labal affect to going from tearful to angry very quickly, not requiring very much sleep, so that was one symptom. The irritability, the irritability, the insomnia, he had not been sleeping more than like three or four hours a night for quite some time. So, you know, verbal, verbal, verbal, rapid speech, just speaking a lot very quickly, raising thoughts, and then the mixed episode part of that would be that along with the mania, the individual has at least three symptoms of depression. And that's a very miserable state for somebody at the end, because you have all this energy that you feel very bad. suicidal thoughts, feelings or thoughts of worklessness, hopelessness. Those are the major depressive symptoms I can think of offhand. [00:43:44] Speaker 10: How does the bipolar one and the PTSD with dissociative episodes, how does that interplay, affect someone like Mr. Buckhead? [00:43:55] Speaker 11: It's complicated. I would also say there's a lot of overlap between the borderline and PTSD, and there's overlap between all of these and bipolar. Bipolar is episodic, and it is technically more like a disease. And so when someone is having a bipolar episode, other disorders such as PTSD, it's not uncommon for those symptoms to flare as well. The other thing is that during manic episodes, especially individuals with bipolar disorder, can be particularly impulsive. And so if the individual was to go into an angry, impulsive state, along with the PTSD, they could have experienced dissociative episodes. Which is basically where someone is, it can range from just feeling like they're outside your body, watching yourself, to actually losing track of time. Kind of a classic example is like when we drive somewhere and all of a sudden you're like, oh my gosh, how did I get here? That's like an example of a mini-physia episode. [00:45:04] Speaker 10: Okay. And you said that it occurs sometimes in an impulsive manner, is that correct? Mm-hmm. Okay. And now you were able to review his history, his psychiatric history, correct? Mm-hmm. Were, was he, when you saw him, were these some of the first times he was diagnosed with some of these issues? Yes. Because I think he had bipolar, that diagnosis was historic, correct? Yes. Okay. So, what were the new diagnoses that you came up with on in the August timeframe of 2025? [00:45:39] Speaker 11: So, if I recall correctly, the borderline had also been reported, and we observed symptoms of that, which I, do you want me to talk about a second? Sure, please. Okay. So, a pattern of intense, unstable relationships. Again, you see that affective instability, but unlike maybe our bipolar, where you see that over weeks to months, in borderline you see that mood instability from minutes to hours, days, as much shorter times. So, you can imagine how the two of those, you know, up by four, and borderline could superimpose on each other would really present with some extreme mood fluctuations. So, mood fluctuations, relationship instability, chronic feelings of emptiness, problems with self-image. These are some of the, and you also could have periods of association with borderline. [00:46:43] Speaker 10: And these borderline individuals, how do they respond to rapid changes in their home life, in their personal life, things of that nature? Usually not, it's more, it's harder on them than it would be for someone without borderline. Do they, do they, do they require stability to remain a functional member of society? That helps a lot, yes. All right. And now, when you first saw him, before the subsequent diagnosis, was he medicated in any way, but to your knowledge? [00:47:24] Speaker 11: So, my understanding is, he had been hospitalized, I recall, in March of 2025, and had been diagnosed with bipolar disorder, and started on death of hope, which is a mood stabilizer. Zyprexa, which is anti-psychotic, but also FDA approved for treatment of bipolar disorder. As well as lexapro, which is anti-psychotic, which was a distraction. [00:47:53] Speaker 10: Yeah, so, and I'm just going to ask you that. So, with the subsequent diagnosis, would some of those medications interplay with the subsequent diagnosis that weren't diagnosed at the time he was prescribed them? [00:48:05] Speaker 11: Well, even, I could criticize what somebody else described, but even with the bipolar diagnosis, it's common standard practice, really, to lexapro, the SSRI, or anti-depressant. Not to say we don't prescribe those in bipolar disorder, but we really try not to, because there's a moment that they can trigger manic episodes, or actually destabilize someone's bipolar disorder. [00:48:31] Speaker 10: So, he's diagnosed with bipolar disorder and all these issues in March of 2025, correct? Yes. And then, he's prescribed lexapro, correct? Yes. And then, you said that some of the times with the lexapro, they could cause the episodes to be worse, correct? Correct. Would they cause the association to be worse in any way? I'm not sure. I can't say. But, it would certainly lower inhibitions as far as his actions, correct? Yes. All right. And, how would, basically, if you could describe to the court, how being on the lexapro and aggravating the bipolar issue, without being diagnosed with the other stuff, how, what does that normally look like in a person, such as Shotzi Buckhead? [00:49:29] Speaker 11: Well, not sleeping. Not sleeping as much as one would usually, like severe mood swings, irritability, increased impulsivity, increased reckless behavior. So, it would really trigger all the immune symptoms. Okay. All right. [00:49:59] Speaker 10: So, in your opinion, it's not that just Mr. Buckhead suffers from one mental illness, but several. No. Okay. Okay. And, what steps did you take, when you did the subsequent diagnosis, to regulate him and get him stable? [00:50:20] Speaker ?: Mm-hmm. [00:50:21] Speaker 11: So, we started him on a different mood stabilizer, lithium. And, we continued Cypraxia, the anti-psychotic. Those were the initial two meds, responded very well to lithium. Because of ongoing depressive symptoms, we did also add a second mood stabilizer, Lomictal, which is approved, FDA approved for the treatment of bipolar depression. Okay. While he was at Central State, we also offered a sleep aid, the Vigo. They don't use that in jail, so we couldn't continue it. But, that helped him get some sleep while he was there. And, then, we discharged him on hydroxyzine, which is an anti-chlorergic medication, similar to Benatrol, to take for Cypraxia. Okay. [00:51:16] Speaker 10: And, have you been able to see him after that, in any way? Okay. So, you don't know what the process, or ongoing process is? Not to say. Okay. And, this time in which he had the Lexapro prior to him coming into your care, I assume other relevant social factors would also affect his behavior at that time. Is that correct? No. Okay. So, when I said housing stability, if housing stability was an issue, that certainly would be a factor. Correct? No. What about if his marriage was in trouble, or going through a divorce? Would that have an effect? [00:52:00] Speaker 11: Yes. And, things like that, psychosocial stressors, as we call them, would really trigger that borderline disorder, and those symptoms would play out. [00:52:13] Speaker 10: So, when you say that would really trigger that borderline issue, and those symptoms would play out, you mentioned earlier that that borderline issue also has a dissociative state with it, or the dissociation. So, it would aggravate that as well, correct? Yes. And, so, what you could have is somebody that's being medicated for one thing, and kind of, I wouldn't say misdiagnosed, but it wasn't a full diagnosis. Correct? Correct. Exacerbating his mental health issue. Correct? Correct. And, then, in your opinion, would that, could that lead to an episode like this, what we have in this particular case? She doesn't have an allergy. [00:52:52] Speaker 2: I don't think she can speculate quite that far, Mr. Turner. Certainly. [00:52:56] Speaker 10: I'll, I'll withdraw that question, Your Honor, if I may, and react. [00:53:00] Speaker 11: Okay. [00:53:01] Speaker 10: Um, what, if anything, would all of those factors that I just discussed with you, what, how would that play out for Mr. Buckhays? [00:53:10] Speaker 11: It's, I can't say exactly. Um, what I can say is that, with the management that we talked about, um, that someone, at the same time, has a severe exacerbation of borderline personality disorder, which is part of what I think happens. So, the term borderline comes from, it's the borderline of the red sea and plexus. And so, under states of extreme stress as individuals, along with this association, experience things like paranoia. So, that, along with some mania, could very likely lead to someone acting in an extreme manner in a way they wouldn't normally ask. [00:53:52] Speaker 10: Um, now, ma'am, you know, uh, you've heard the term malingering, correct? Yeah. Um, um, what is that? It's a malingering staining. Basically, just faking symptoms, correct? Yeah. Um, did you observe any of that type of behavior from Mr. Buckhead? None. [00:54:10] Speaker 11: None. Okay. None. And, that's one thing that, we'll say we specialize in a central state, but at most of our, we're the only max security psychiatric hospital, um, state hospital in Virginia. So, we get a lot of patients who have serious charges. A lot of people don't want to be incarcerated or don't want to be charged. So, we see a lot of malingering. And, it is something that we are trained to concern. And, nobody ever, I think on the admission note, somebody put it as a rule out, just let me always keep an eye out for that. But, at no point was it ever suspected. [00:54:45] Speaker 10: Not even suspected, not even a concern. No. Those are all my questions. [00:54:53] Speaker 4: Please answer any questions. I'm going to go for it now. Come on, Doctor. How do you do that? Okay. In addition, were you provided with any documentation as related to the case, police reports, defendant statements, anything like that? No. All right. Were you aware the defendant specifically told the police officers, "Yes, I went there specifically with the intent to kill and leave over?" Yes. All right. Nothing in your diagnosis indicates that he could inform by specific intent to kill someone, correct? [00:55:21] Speaker 10: All right. I would object. It's the same objection that Mr. Newman had, kind of outside that scope. It's a little bit more here for the defendant. [00:55:27] Speaker ?: I'll sustain that a question. [00:55:27] Speaker 10: Let me answer one more time. I'm sorry. [00:55:29] Speaker 2: Yes. [00:55:30] Speaker 11: It's a piece of stuff. Oh, I'll sustain it. Oh, I'm sorry. I'll sustain it. Oh, I'm sorry. Oh, I'm sorry. You're asking. You're asking. Yes. You're asking. [00:55:40] Speaker ?: Yes. Yes. [00:55:42] Speaker 4: You're asking. Nothing in speaking on this term. Were you aware that he gave a confession? Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes. And even though you see this diagnosis in him as a link to his bipolar and what not, he [00:56:04] Speaker ?: did not form any opinion as an expert that he could not commit this trial. Judge, I would object to the same objection before. [00:56:05] Speaker 4: Well, Judge, I mean, no, I think that's a little bit, I'm a little louder than the answer that I'm sure. Wait. No. Yes. Yes. Okay. And even though you see this diagnosis in him as a link to his bipolar and what not, he did not form any opinion as an expert that he could not commit this trial. [00:56:26] Speaker 2: Judge, I would object to the same objection before. Well, Judge, I mean, no, I think that's a little bit, I'm a little louder than the answer that question. [00:56:31] Speaker ?: Judge, I'm sorry. [00:56:32] Speaker 4: In other words, you talk about dissociation and all this information. There's nothing in reference to your diagnosis of him in a game that he could not commit this trial. Correct. All right. [00:56:49] Speaker ?: Thank you. [00:56:50] Speaker 4: That's a good question. [00:56:51] Speaker ?: Thank you, Doctor. Does she need to remain? I ask if she'd be released if we make your honor. Any objection? Yep. Thank you, Doctor. I have a safe trial back to Pittsburgh. Thank you. Your Honor, I call Kenneth Cruz. Second yourself. I do. [00:57:01] Speaker 10: Thank you, Doctor. [00:57:02] Speaker ?: Thank you, Doctor. I do. Thank you, Doctor. [00:57:05] Speaker 3: Thank you. [00:57:35] Speaker 10: And how are you related in this case to any of the parties? Shotzi was married to my granddaughter, Mary Alice. And so is that how you came to know Shotzi Buckhay? Yes. All right. And how long have you known him? [00:58:01] Speaker 13: I think I met Shotzi in 2019 when Mary Alice came back from college. [00:58:08] Speaker 10: And you say came back from college. Where was she in college at? She was in college in England. Excellent. So she was in college in England. How long was she out there? She was over about four years, I think. And you're fully aware of the incident in this matter, correct? Yes. All right. And prior to the incident, what kind of person have you observed Mr. Buckhay to be? [00:58:36] Speaker 13: Well, everybody loves Shotzi. I mean, he was just a great guy, real athletic, and we had good times together. [00:58:45] Speaker 10: I mean, I just, you know, I love the guy. And did you ever observe him being, like, disrespectful to any of his family members? No. [00:58:56] Speaker ?: No. [00:58:57] Speaker 10: Did you ever observe him assisting or helping family members or members within your family? Yeah. He always wanted to help everybody. And was he able to work when he first came over here? [00:59:11] Speaker 13: What do you mean, physically able? Oh, well, yeah. [00:59:15] Speaker 10: First, physically able. Yeah. Absolutely. All right. What about financially or legally able to work? [00:59:22] Speaker 13: Well, no. He didn't have anything. I mean, no. He lived with Mary Alice's parents, you know. And they clothed him and fed him and housed him until he was able to get a job. I don't know how that system works, you know, like the green card or whatever. And he got a job. And, you know, from what they were talking like, you know, everybody that he works with loved him. And, you know, he was a great guy. [00:59:51] Speaker 10: I mean, that's all it is to him. Well, and so you previously said you're Mary Alice's grandfather, correct? Correct. All right. Are you close with your granddaughter as well? Oh, yeah. I love her. Okay. And now, you say that Mr. Buck Hayes lived with Mary Alice's parents, correct? Correct. All right. Now, did he have anyone from his family over here in the United States? No. [01:00:21] Speaker 13: His mother and brother came over here for the wedding when they got married. [01:00:29] Speaker 10: When was that, sir? [01:00:31] Speaker 13: I don't know exactly when it was. It was something like, I think, maybe 24. Okay. [01:00:39] Speaker 10: 2024, something like that? Something like that, yeah. No. But other than his mother and brother coming over here, he didn't have any family here, correct? No. All right. Did you have regular conversations with Shotzi? [01:00:56] Speaker 13: Yes. [01:00:57] Speaker 10: Okay. How would that occur, sir? [01:00:59] Speaker ?: Pardon me? [01:01:00] Speaker 10: How would that occur? Did he come to your house? Did you go to his house? How does that work? [01:01:04] Speaker 13: Both. Okay. Well, we'd visit them and sometimes he would come to our house and when he did, you know, Mary Alice would be with him, you know, and I owned land, you know, they wanted to walk in the woods and see things, you know, so we would do that and just have a really joyful time. [01:01:24] Speaker 10: Did you, at some point did, prior to this incident, did you notice a change in Shotzi? No. Right. Um, well, prior to the incident that we're here for, um, was there an issue maybe between Mary Alice and, uh, Shotzi that you noticed a change? Yes. Okay. What happened? [01:01:45] Speaker 13: Well, uh, Shotzi and Mary Alice had been hanging out with, uh, the Vogelers and, uh, uh, so, Shotzi told me... The objection to what you're saying? Yeah, tell us what he said, sir. [01:02:00] Speaker 10: Um, sir, based on, so he made a statement to you, correct? And, uh, based on that statement, what was his, uh, appearance and demeanor at that time? [01:02:12] Speaker 13: Well, I mean, he was upset. I mean, uh, I don't know what I'm allowed to say here, but, you know, I think the truth should be told. [01:02:24] Speaker 2: Sir, there are rules of evidence and the court runs by rules of evidence. So, just answer the questions as best you can and I'll make a decision whether it complies with the rules of evidence. Yes, sir. [01:02:36] Speaker 10: Um, and when you, I guess what I'm asking you is, once that happened, okay, this change, once that happened, how did Shotzi appear to you? What was his physical appearance and demeanor? [01:02:49] Speaker 13: Well, I didn't see any change in his, uh, physical, the physical aspects of him, but, uh, you know, he was, uh, emotionally upset, you know, because, uh, you know, his marriage was on the line. [01:03:07] Speaker 10: Okay. And how, how long before, uh, the incident that we're here for today, how long before that did you first notice that? [01:03:21] Speaker 13: I, I don't know. Months, weeks? It wasn't very long. Okay. Um, it was, um, after Mary Alice left and got an apartment on, um. [01:03:36] Speaker 10: Then, then you noticed, uh, obviously, a change in Shotzi. Did he come visit you often after that? [01:03:41] Speaker 13: No, not often, but we talked a lot on the phone. Okay. [01:03:45] Speaker 10: And, um, through those conversations, was he distraught? Yes. How, how so? [01:03:51] Speaker 13: Well, you know, uh, he told me, he said he loved Mary Alice, and, uh, he didn't want to lose her. And, uh, he took, kept trying to call her, and, uh, she wouldn't answer his call. And, uh, so, you know, that got him really upset, because he was trying to save his marriage. [01:04:12] Speaker 10: And, um, and, and this was a persistent thing between you and, and Shotzi, correct? [01:04:21] Speaker ?: Yes. [01:04:22] Speaker 10: Now, um, have you, have you spoken to Shotzi since he's been incarcerated? Yes. [01:04:29] Speaker 13: Okay. [01:04:30] Speaker 10: And, has he expressed remorse for what happened? [01:04:33] Speaker 13: Yes. He told me he was really sorry for what he had done, and he said he wished he hadn't done, but, you know, he, he, he just... [01:04:41] Speaker 8: Judge and judge. Sustained. Um, sir, those are all my questions. Please answer any questions, the council or the court may have. Good question from the gentleman. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. [01:04:51] Speaker 2: You may step in. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. [01:04:53] Speaker ?: You may step in. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. You may step in. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. Thank you, Mr. Cruz. You may step in. [01:05:20] Speaker 10: Thank you, Mr. Cruz. I call Donald Cosner. Donald Cosner. [01:05:23] Speaker 2: Donald Cosner. [01:05:30] Speaker 3: If he's omniswear or affirmed with the evidence you give in the case, now to the court, shall be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth, shall be God. [01:05:37] Speaker 12: Absolutely. [01:05:44] Speaker 7: Sir, state your name for the record, please. [01:05:46] Speaker 12: Donald Wiggin, Cosner. [01:05:48] Speaker 7: What do you go by? Neil. Neil. All right. So, Bill, how do you know Mr. Chauncey Bocquets? We work together. All right. Where did you all work together? Midtown Market. You said Midtown Market? Yeah. All right. Now, did you spend a lot of time with Mr. Bocquets? Yeah. All right. And in your opinion, you know, did -- well, let me back that up. So, in your dealings with Mr. Bocquets, you know, did you see at some point a decline in his demeanor? [01:06:26] Speaker ?: Yeah. [01:06:27] Speaker 7: Yeah. Okay. Can you tell the court a little bit about that? [01:06:31] Speaker 12: Well, I've seen the crime when he was having trouble with his marriage, and then I've seen the incline. And he said, Mark, prior to all this, he was going to live well, have a new job, really enjoyed what he was doing. But there was an episode where he was dealing with his wife, and, you know, he seemed dissociated, and, you know, hard to talk to. He was almost like talking to a lot of money. Okay. But he would come back, and we would talk to him that time. [01:07:10] Speaker 7: Now, before -- before that, what was his personality like before that happened? What kind of person was he being around all the time? [01:07:20] Speaker 12: He was a really good person, nice, kind, willing to help anybody, poor worker, always just trying to please. Okay. [01:07:30] Speaker 7: So, did he do a good job at work? Oh, yes. Very good. [01:07:33] Speaker ?: All right. [01:07:34] Speaker 7: Now, have you -- have you spoke with him since he's been locked up for this? Yeah. All right. So, in those speaking, do you think he has showed remorse and that he's sorry? Yeah. He's all objected. He can't testify. Okay. Okay. I'll read for you. In speaking with him since he's been locked up, have you seen a change in the job scene? [01:08:08] Speaker 12: Well, yeah. He's -- yeah, of course. He's pretending that he's getting hurt. All right. Now -- No. I mean, not being negative, but just being . I understand. So, that's all the questions I have for you. No questions in general. [01:08:29] Speaker 2: Thank you, sir. [01:08:30] Speaker 8: Your Honor, I would call Josiah Buck. [01:08:35] Speaker ?: *coughs* [01:08:56] Speaker 7: Sir, state your name for the record. Josiah Joseph Buck. Alright. Josiah, how do you know Shotsi? Josiah, he's my brother. Alright, now, growing up with Shotsi, what was it like growing up with him? [01:09:15] Speaker 14: Well, growing up, like, say, typically we had, like, a family sibling sort of relationship. Like, we had disagreements, but we were really close. I think around the age of 13, Shotsi moved out. So, through those years we didn't spend a whole lot of time together. The one we did, all the time, it was quality time. He taught me a lot. We learned a lot of things together. Like, bushcraft, things like that. Yeah, I mean... Did you... He's your older brother? Yeah, older brother, like three years. [01:09:51] Speaker 7: Now, I don't want to assume anything, but did you look up to him? Yeah, of course. [01:09:56] Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, there was a lot of things that he did. Especially with building relationships with people and things like that. I always aspired to be like that in that respect of being able to just... He was always quite outgoing, and I feel like I was a little more introverted. And I wanted to take those qualities and take all the qualities he did, a bit more like that. [01:10:16] Speaker 7: Absolutely. Now, during the COVID time, did you spend more time with him? [01:10:24] Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, he lived with us. He moved back in during that time. And how did that period go? It was great. Again, like, before that happened, we did spend a whole lot of time together as soon as it was refreshing to get back in with us. And we did all sorts of things together. We went out for long walks, we trained together, we played a lot of music. Yeah, we had a much better bond. It was really nice to have a really great time. [01:10:52] Speaker 7: Yeah. So, was Shotzi a person that, you told me about a story. Do you remember the story I'm referring to? Probably, yeah. Okay. What happened that day on the street? [01:11:09] Speaker 14: Um, so, I think it was my 19th birthday, and we were on a night out. Um, and I remember Shotzi pointing out that there was a woman across the street who was only, what he believes was a woman who was in some sort of trouble, maybe sexual assault or something like that. Okay. I didn't see it personally. Um, so, when he pointed it out, he was like, you know, we should go over there, we need to have that woman. Because I didn't see it, um, I'm ashamed to say I was a bit businessed. Um, I was like, you know, it's not a lot of business, that's what we say out of there. Um, just to say our trouble kind of thing, like we don't know who these people are. Um, but, you know, we spoke about it later on, and actually, uh, I regret, I regret reacting in that way. And I told me, and he, you know, he showed, demonstrated to me that, um, you know, sometimes it's important to look out for people you don't even met. Um, and, you know, that really suffered me from that, from that day on. [01:12:08] Speaker 7: In, you growing up with Shotzi, is, is that the kind of person you remember him to be? [01:12:14] Speaker 14: Always, he went above and beyond for a lot of people, yeah. [01:12:23] Speaker 7: Now, you know, in, in that time of COVID, when you're spending a lot of time with him, was, was he, was he usually in a good mood, a bad mood? Did you see any kind of decline then? [01:12:40] Speaker 14: During COVID? Yes. I feel like that was probably, I feel like we were all that high, really. I think, um, he was probably at best. Okay. [01:12:48] Speaker 7: Was there a time that, after COVID, or at any point there, did you see him start to decline and go not from his best anymore? [01:12:57] Speaker 14: Um, again, I, I feel like, between then and after the point that he moved here and, um, got married and all that, uh, it was up and up. It was, it was, it always seemed like it was getting better. Uh, when we went over to visit, um, I was very pleased to see that there were so many people that had so many good things to say about him. Um, so, it was a shock when things started to take to decline. And, uh, yeah. [01:13:24] Speaker 7: Well, when you say things started to take to decline, how did they take to decline? [01:13:27] Speaker 14: I think it was just as, as, um, Shotsu was trying to save his marriage, the things that was going on between him and Mary Alice. So, did he, did he stop communicating with you? Yeah, it was, it was much harder to communicate. Um, we didn't talk as much at all on the phone, and when we did, um, it was often, he often sounded quite distressed. Um, it was, it was difficult because we were in another country, it was only so much other people. [01:13:52] Speaker ?: Thank you, sir. Thank you, sir. [01:13:54] Speaker 7: Answer any questions or comments? No question. Thank you, sir. We're going to call it. Naomi Buck. [01:13:59] Speaker 3: The psalm is where, or above, the evidence you've given the case, not before the court, should be the truth, the whole truth, and not before the truth, shall be God. And what we've done here. [01:14:17] Speaker 10: Speak clearly. Ma'am, if you would, please state your name for the court. [01:14:26] Speaker 15: Um, my name is Naomi Evelyn Buck. Alright. [01:14:31] Speaker 10: And how are you related to Shotzi? [01:14:33] Speaker 15: Um, I'm the mother of Shotzi Darcy, my son. Okay. [01:14:37] Speaker 10: And, um, how was Shotzi growing up? [01:14:42] Speaker 15: Um, generally, you know, um, Shotzi could be quite spiteful, but that could be fun. You know, um, he was a very active child. Um, even from a very young age, um, he was very quick, you know, um, he was bright, um, he was reading early. Um, um, you know, he's marked from God. Um, um, although we had difficult circumstance, if I'm a single parent, um, I haven't been with Shotzi's father since Jay was a year and a half. Um, can you say since Josiah was a year and a half? Yeah, Josiah was a year and a half. Shotzi was about five when, um, I had relationship breakdowns. [01:15:32] Speaker 10: And you, you, uh, you were a single parent from the time he was five, correct? Yes. How much contact did he have with his father? [01:15:40] Speaker 15: Rarely any. Um, um, sadly, um, Shotzi's father had a victim problem. Um, so, um, which, you know, he had had a hard up and in, and it was probably the result of that. Um, so, you know, it, it felt like the safest thing was to bring away my children from my age. Not, not for any other reason than the addiction, you know. [01:16:13] Speaker 10: Um. Keeping away from that? [01:16:15] Speaker 15: Yeah. I want my children to have health and mental health. Um. [01:16:20] Speaker 10: So, um, at some point did you have a concern about Shotzi's mental health? [01:16:27] Speaker 15: Well, um, Shotzi, Shotzi didn't always coached school very well. Um, there was, um, throughout his education, there was always a question mark over, um, educational mental health issues. Okay. Um, that was a struggle for him. [01:16:48] Speaker 10: Now, during his time, was he really, and, and, and all of his time, did he, did he close with his family? With you? Always. [01:16:57] Speaker 15: Yeah, we were really close, you know. The three of you, right? [01:16:59] Speaker 10: There was only three of us. [01:17:00] Speaker 15: You know, but, um, we were very close by, um, we were always very caring, um. [01:17:07] Speaker 10: And you said that, uh, you know, he had some issues in school, this and that. Did, was there any, ever any formal diagnosis of, like, bipolar or anything, ma'am? Um, eventually he had, um, a diagnosis for neurodivergence. [01:17:18] Speaker 15: Um, he's got, um, there was, um, um, we did have, like, um, an assessment done. Um, and I have a paper up there, where, um, they were trying to work out because there were some issues, and they were trying to work out exactly what they were. Um, he had, um, some autistic spectrum issues, but he didn't have enough to make a classic diagnosis. Um, and he also had some elements from dyslexia, but didn't have enough to make a full diagnosis. Um, and he had some, um, elements of dyslexia, but didn't have enough to make a full diagnosis. And he had some elements of ADHD, but he didn't have enough to make a full diagnosis. And in the end, um, that was in his high school, um, years, um, later high school years. And in the end, they took all the paperwork from the high school. But because he, they couldn't properly define exactly a classic diagnosis, um, they found it difficult to work out exactly how to meet what he's needs. [01:18:36] Speaker 10: So, it, it, there wasn't an exact treatment regimen, correct? Correct. Yeah. Um, and so you, you heard the testimony this morning, correct? Yeah. You've been here. Um, so obviously this borderline personality disorder with disassociative, uh, spells that the doctor testified to. Is this the first time you're hearing something like this? Oh, yeah. [01:18:59] Speaker 15: Yeah, more or less. I mean, the only, the only, um, other information that I've had is, um, sadly, with what's happened, um, and, and with the distance, because I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't, I wasn't here. Um, and I've only been able to visit twice. Um, and so the last time I came to visit, I gathered what I could have put these things together. Um, and, and in those things, there was a matter of all sorts of paperwork that I went through. Um, it gave me some idea, because I, I hadn't, I hadn't been aware properly of what, what was going on. Um, it gave me some idea. I had, there was some medical paperwork in there, and his financial paperwork, and all sorts of things. Okay. [01:19:49] Speaker 10: Now, you, you said that the three of you, uh, you, E, and Josiah were very close. That's correct, yeah. Now, when he moved to America, did he have any family here? Did he? [01:20:00] Speaker 15: Did he? [01:20:01] Speaker 10: Did he have any family here? No. No. Did he have any relationships outside of Mary Allen? Uh, no. [01:20:07] Speaker 15: Okay. [01:20:08] Speaker 10: So he was here by himself? He was here by himself. During that time, did he remain close with you? [01:20:13] Speaker 15: Um, all, we spoke daily, daily, even if it was short, hello, all the way up to, um, kind of September 5th. [01:20:25] Speaker 10: September of 2025? [01:20:27] Speaker 15: Um, I would assume you're not talking about that. [01:20:30] Speaker 10: It was the election. [01:20:31] Speaker 15: It was the election year. It was the election year. It was the election year. [01:20:34] Speaker 10: Okay. So September of 2024. That's correct. [01:20:37] Speaker 15: Okay. And then I, I checked, cause I was, I've obviously been trying to work out what's happening. So, like, I looked back on my phone to check when our communications really became, um, much, much less, and that was in November. Um, and then it was kind of a bit sporadic from then. Okay. [01:20:56] Speaker 10: So you were, was that a concern for you? [01:20:59] Speaker 15: Absolutely, a major concern. [01:21:01] Speaker 10: Now, um, you're here today, but obviously you don't live here in the United States, correct? That is correct, yeah. All right. [01:21:09] Speaker 15: Where do you live now? I live in a place called North Devon, which is in the UK and England. All right. Um, it's on the southwest coast. All right. [01:21:17] Speaker 10: And, uh, your son Josiah lives with you, correct? [01:21:20] Speaker 15: Um, he doesn't live with me, actually. We live separately. [01:21:22] Speaker 10: Oh, but he lives in the same area, correct? [01:21:24] Speaker 15: Yeah, he doesn't have to be living separately. Sure. Sure. But we live in the same area. Same area. He lives around about, um, maybe 15 miles from me. Okay. But that's not that far back are you. [01:21:35] Speaker 10: Right. And so, um, uh, you've traveled here for today's hearing. Um, and obviously, how many times were you able to travel during the time that Shotzi was here? [01:21:47] Speaker 15: I just couldn't, um, you know, the, the only way I've been able to get here, and I've had to borrow money. I've had people give me money, like my mum, you know, I've got, I've got a mum, but she's in London, so she doesn't give me a lot. Um, and then there's been the, I, I am a, I'm a Christian churchgoer, um, and I've had the odd person from my church give me money. Last time I had a couple of people give me a couple of hundred pounds, you know, this time I had, um, a friend that I haven't even seen for a long time messaged me, I want to give you something to help you. [01:22:29] Speaker 10: So it's been a struggle to make it over here and even to participate in these proceedings. [01:22:34] Speaker 15: Absolutely, yeah. [01:22:35] Speaker 10: Okay. Now I'm going to shift the questioning a bit. Have you ever personally observed Shotzi in a mental health crisis? [01:22:43] Speaker 15: Um, not like this, but, um, yes he has, he has had, he has had, he has had mental illness illness before. [01:22:51] Speaker 10: And, um, how many times have you observed a period where he wasn't acting like himself? Um, not like, not like this. [01:23:01] Speaker 15: Um, now was he on medication? [01:23:06] Speaker 10: You said not like this. Was he on medication? Um, no. [01:23:10] Speaker 15: I think, um, there was one time prior to this where he was offered some medication and we talked it over, um, I support you, you didn't need the medication, you moved on, he was alright. [01:23:22] Speaker 10: No. Okay. And so, um, have you ever observed periods of paranoia or decision on thinking or anything of that nature? No. No. So, prior to any of this, none of that. Um, have you observed periods of depression that Shotzi had? [01:23:37] Speaker 15: Absolutely, yes. He has had depression before. Okay. [01:23:40] Speaker 10: But never, never took anything for that? [01:23:42] Speaker 15: Um, in his high school years, he was given antidepressant. Okay. He had some counseling and he was given antidepressant, he was given antidepressant as a teenager. [01:23:52] Speaker 10: How long did he take that antidepressant? [01:23:54] Speaker 15: Um, I can't tell you. It was a matter of months. It might have been like six months or something. [01:24:00] Speaker 10: Was there any adverse side effects that you recall? [01:24:03] Speaker 15: Um, I don't think so. But it was, you know, all medications are different, aren't they? [01:24:10] Speaker 10: Sure. [01:24:11] Speaker 15: I don't, I don't think so. [01:24:12] Speaker 10: Do you, do you know what that medication was? [01:24:14] Speaker 15: Um, yeah, I do. Um. I, I can't be 100% sure. [01:24:17] Speaker ?: That's fine. Sorry, I forgot. No, no, no, that's fine. Um, and you said the only. It wasn't, it wasn't the one he's on now. Right. Um, well, did, you said that he was on it for a couple of months. [01:24:24] Speaker 15: Is that right? I think it might have been as much as six months. Right. Why did he do that? [01:24:28] Speaker 10: It wasn't, it wasn't the one he's on now. Right. [01:24:30] Speaker 15: Um, well, did, you said that he was on it for a couple of months. Is that right? I think it might have been as much as six months. [01:24:34] Speaker 10: Right. Why did he stop taking that? Um, because he went through it and he got well. Um, and prior to this incident that we're here for today, um, had you had any contact with Shotzi directly before this incident? [01:25:03] Speaker ?: Um, yeah, I did. [01:25:04] Speaker 15: Alright. [01:25:05] Speaker 10: And did you have some concerns with your communication at that time? [01:25:10] Speaker 15: Um, I'm trying to think of the communication because, um, I messaged, I messaged him to see if he was alright and he said he wasn't. Um, and yes, I was concerned about that. [01:25:31] Speaker 10: Um, did you call, um, police or hospitals or anything? [01:25:37] Speaker 15: You know, throughout the last, throughout that last year, I considered, um, calling the police because I was, at one point I didn't even know where my son was, I felt like, I didn't even know where he was or who he was with because he was homeless and I couldn't locate him. Um, and I was really, really concerned. And I thought about calling the police. But, but eventually I'd get a little amount of response from Mary Alice's family that assured me that, um, he was kind of, he was kind of okay or something. Um, so, um, I, when I was trying to reason what was the best thing to do, I thought if I was to contact the police, um, is there, is there a crime happening? No. You know what I mean? Um, I think, I thought that they were more than likely to say, you know, if you, without there being anything happening, you contact the police, they're going to say to you, oh, why are you, why are you worried? Why do you want us to go and have a look or why a bit of a, and quite often, um, it's not a police issue until it, until something's happening. Um, and that was the way I weighed it up. Um, I didn't know enough to know there would be anything, any very serious. Obviously, if I had felt there was anything very serious happening, without a doubt I would call the police, but I didn't have any proper information. I didn't have enough information to make a choice like that. [01:27:07] Speaker 10: And if you had the money, you would come and solve it? [01:27:09] Speaker 15: Absolutely, you would. And I looked at it, and I'd actually browse, how am I going to get there? And do you know what? I had various other things that were drawing on my finances, um, that time. Every time I got to about 400 pounds, um, something occurred. I had a cat dying, I had dental treatment I had to have, I had, you know what I mean? And then, and that would take my resource. And so I'd be, I'd be saving to come, and then my savings would just be eaten up by something. I just couldn't get here, and I even actually reached out. I reached out to, I looked on the internet for solutions. I looked for churches in the area, because I thought, if I connected to a church in this area, in Danville, maybe they could find somebody who could put me up in a room. And I contacted Compassion Church by messenger. I sent them a message, saying, look, I know you don't know who I am. I think my son's in trouble in Danville. I need to get there, I need to try to stay. Could you ask your church? I can get references. That's pretty much the reference I gave, that's pretty much the message I gave them. And they didn't respond. I also appealed to Mary Alice's mother. And I said to her, look, I really need to get over there. I realise that there's a relationship problem going on at the moment. So if you can't put me up, surely you can find somebody to put me up. Because it would have made it possible for me to get a flight and not have to pay for accommodation. No view would help me. I reached out a lot. [01:28:39] Speaker 10: Now, ma'am, while Shotzi was growing up and prior to his move to the United States, had you ever observed any outbursts of violent behaviour from Shotzi? [01:28:54] Speaker 15: No. [01:28:55] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:28:56] Speaker 10: Has he had any of these type of issues, assault with anyone? No. Would you ever even fathom that something like this was going to happen? [01:29:08] Speaker 15: No. I was absolutely astounded. Absolutely astounded. I didn't know what to do about that. [01:29:17] Speaker 10: Now, have you talked to Shotzi after the incident? [01:29:21] Speaker 15: Yes. [01:29:22] Speaker 10: Okay. You guys still remain in close communications? [01:29:25] Speaker 15: We're in closer communications now than we have been for the last year. I mean, not the last year in jail. I mean, before the incident. Right. We're in daily communications now and occasionally more than once in a day. [01:29:40] Speaker 10: How would you describe his demeanour since that time? [01:29:43] Speaker 15: He's been very, very unwell. He was unable to think clearly that he was not himself. I mean, to be honest, he's still not quite himself. [01:30:01] Speaker 10: Well, that's what my question was. After the incident, how has his mental health been since then? [01:30:07] Speaker 15: Medical. [01:30:08] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:30:09] Speaker 15: He doesn't sound like my son so much and he doesn't look like my son so much. [01:30:14] Speaker 10: Okay. Do you believe in his rehabilitation? [01:30:17] Speaker 15: Absolutely. Yeah. I know that inside Shotzi, there is a good, caring person and that is what I know Shotzi to be. That's my experience at Shotzi in my life. [01:30:29] Speaker 10: And you and Josiah would obviously be supporting him through any treatment that the court recommends or any type of... [01:30:37] Speaker 15: We would prioritize that and we would literally drop anything else that we needed to. To do that. And believe me, we may not have a lot of finances, but we have a lot of love. And when things are important, we put together. [01:30:54] Speaker 10: If you were here during this time period of this incident that took place, do you think this incident would have happened? I'll withdraw the question. I will rephrase. If you were here during this time, what actions would you have taken to make sure that something like this didn't happen? [01:31:10] Speaker 15: The sort of things I even consider the distance, because I was thinking, do I need to go? Do I need to arrange some sort of accommodation at some point? And I would have actually brought Shotzi away from the situation that was difficult and I would have made a meal for us, you know? And made it a family time and gave him an opportunity to talk about his issues and looked after him a bit and hopefully restored him to a sound place. [01:31:45] Speaker 10: Is there anything else you want the court to know about your son Shotzi Buckhead? [01:31:52] Speaker 15: Yeah. I would just like to appeal to you on Shotzi's behalf that this is very unusual behaviour and that Shotzi has always been the sort of person that will look at somebody else who is in difficulty and do his utmost to help them. He has got empathy and he has got goodwill inside of him and this is unusual and I really believe that it's an isolated incident and we're all very sorry. We are all very sorry that this has happened. I would never ever want anybody to be hurt in this way. [01:32:35] Speaker 10: Ma'am, those are all my questions. Please answer any questions at this point. [01:32:37] Speaker 8: Thank you, Laura. [01:32:39] Speaker 3: Thank you. [01:33:09] Speaker 16: All right, Chauncey. [01:33:23] Speaker 7: I want to take you back to when all this was starting. If you could just go back right now at this moment, what would you do differently? [01:33:38] Speaker 16: The primary thing that I would have done differently is block my wife. We were getting pretty difficult and we had a very extreme history. I did everything to try to get to my marriage. Blocking my wife would have been a much better way of feeling about them. [01:33:59] Speaker 7: So would you agree that if you both just maybe just ripped it off like a band-aid and moved forward in different directions, that would have been the best thing to do? [01:34:10] Speaker 16: Yeah, absolutely. We would have been hanging on because we had needed to shuffle. [01:34:19] Speaker 7: Now, you said you were both hanging on. Were you still seeing Mary Alice all the way up to the week of this incident? [01:34:27] Speaker 16: All the way up to the week of the census, yeah. [01:34:30] Speaker 7: Were you, I mean, was she coming over to your place? Were you going over to her place? [01:34:35] Speaker 16: I was never going over to where she was and she was ringing me, but I wasn't ringing her because she'd asked me not to. [01:34:42] Speaker 7: Right, but she was coming to where you were staying. [01:34:44] Speaker 16: She was coming. You were sexually active. [01:34:46] Speaker 7: So you were still in a sexual relationship, still talking all the way up to the week before? [01:34:51] Speaker 16: The divorce was, it wasn't the end of our relationship. She said she needed the freedom to choose, so she wanted to be divorced. [01:35:08] Speaker 7: Now, your marriage with Mary Alice, did it have issues? [01:35:16] Speaker 16: Yeah, I mean, yeah, yeah. I think all marriages have issues. [01:35:22] Speaker 7: Should I go into detail? Well, so, besides anything to do with Mr. Volgaard, you already had some issues going on in your marriage. Yeah. Is that fair to say? [01:35:33] Speaker 16: Yeah, I think that's fair. [01:35:34] Speaker 7: All right, now, is it fair to say you were trying very hard to fix your marriage, even right to the end? [01:35:46] Speaker 16: I had got rid of, I would say, all my bad habits, apart from swimming and cigarettes. I was based on my bad habits with good habits. I was making her gifts physically. I learned how to crochet. I learned how to weld in order to give her things to show my appreciation for her. I've been working really hard with my career. She said that she wanted, I said, sorry, I said to her, way back along when I was working at Midtown Market, I said, is there one thing that you would like in your life that I can work towards? She said, I want to live in a house with a grand staircase. So I quit my job at Midtown to work in construction so I could build her this thing. But that wasn't, you know, so I stopped working in construction and I started teaching again because I used to teach. [01:36:49] Speaker 7: So let's back up a little bit though. We'll get into that. But so you had some things going on with your marriage. And then I don't want you to go into what anybody else had said. But was there a time that you came aware that there was an affair going on? [01:37:10] Speaker 16: Yeah. [01:37:11] Speaker 7: All right. Was there a time at Food Lion that you became aware of this affair? [01:37:16] Speaker 16: Yeah. It was something that I had noticed that when we were out of the Berberos, Mary Alice and me had been uncomfortably close. Should I go into detail about what happened to you? You can talk about what happened. Yes. Okay. So we were at an event called Shrimp Fest and it was a community market. And as the evening was closing out, Mayor and Nina said we would like to do an after-party and go to the Mondal's house for the Red Bull. And on the way, we went to Grove Park and Food Lion to get beer. We got straight out of the car and went to a restaurant. And me, Blair, and my wife went into the beer aisle and we hung around there for five minutes and my wife said I need to be in the restaurant. So she went to the restaurant. Me and Blair waited for another couple of minutes. Blair said... [01:38:19] Speaker 7: Don't go into what Blair said. After a conversation with Blair, what did you do? [01:38:25] Speaker 16: After a conversation with Blair, I went to see if they were gathered in the bathroom, her suggestion. [01:38:35] Speaker 7: What did you see when you went towards the bathroom? [01:38:37] Speaker 16: They were in an embrace. I don't know if they were kissing or hugging. I just saw they were in an embrace. [01:38:42] Speaker 7: I know. Embrace. Is that what you said? Yeah. They were really on top of the table. All right, now, did you confront them about this later? [01:38:52] Speaker 16: Yeah, I went straight. Well, I went through the beers at the floor and I walked straight towards the toilet. And they ran into the toilet and he started urinating, which is significant because he went to the restaurant first. But he needed to leave, he needed to urinate, but because he wasn't going to the restaurant to use at that restaurant. He was going there to meet my wife. Oh, okay. [01:39:22] Speaker 7: Now, when you confronted them, when this was going on, did you flip out? Now, while level 10 upset, did you strike the lead? Did you do anything to lead? No, I said, you have no idea how much harder it is for me to walk away right now. But you did walk away, correct? [01:39:48] Speaker 16: Exactly right here, yeah. [01:39:50] Speaker 7: All right, now, after that event, you and Mary Alice continued to have problems, correct? [01:39:59] Speaker 12: Yes. [01:39:59] Speaker 7: And now, is it fair to say that the problems were worsened by an affair going on? 100%. Now, this is before the divorce. [01:40:07] Speaker 12: Mm-hmm. [01:40:08] Speaker 7: Now, when this continues, did you feel your mental health getting worse? [01:40:16] Speaker 16: 100%. I was, um, I was, um, I was doing better than I was, I was doing, I was putting more effort in than I had ever put in before into my character and achieving things in order to save my marriage. But I was, I was, I've never been in a worse mental state than when this was going on. Now, did you, did you seek help? Yeah. I, when I had the insight, um, to the fact that I was ill, I went to a Danville, Pennsylvania community service board, um, and they did their best to help me. But the counselor I had quit his job, and so although I was still in communication with them, it wasn't as frequent as when I had a designated counselor. [01:41:11] Speaker 7: Now, at some point, did you, did you go to Virginia Baptist? [01:41:13] Speaker 16: Yeah. [01:41:14] Speaker 7: I think, did, did, did you feel that that was helpful? [01:41:18] Speaker 16: Virginia Baptist was the best thing that has ever happened to me. Um, they helped me realize, I mean, I'll just tell you about one thing that makes a little bit of a difference to me. It's called belief, and it's, um, listening, empathizing, um, agreeing, um, so, I don't remember the last thing, but, but, it, it helped me to understand relationship, um, that, uh, I knew how, it, it taught me how to listen to my wife better. I felt like, I've always felt like, it's been my fault, that, my wife cheated on. Okay. [01:42:18] Speaker 7: When, when you got done there, when you got out, did you actually readmit yourself somewhere else? [01:42:25] Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, I went, I, I knew I was in, in crisis camp, so, for example, just bring me a community service, and they sent me to, you're kind of seeing, and then, they sent me to serve a hospital. Okay. [01:42:49] Speaker 7: After that, you're, I want to go back to your, your, your mental health, just outside of where you were getting help, did, did you, did you separate yourself from everybody? Yeah, because my wife said, me, that, yeah, I can do it. Don't go into what your wife said. Just, the question is, did you, did you separate yourself from everybody? [01:43:14] Speaker 16: Yeah, I caught everybody off. [01:43:16] Speaker 7: All right, now, was that, because, you were trying to focus on your marriage? [01:43:22] Speaker 16: Yeah. [01:43:23] Speaker 7: All right. Now, looking back, do you think that was a smart decision? No. All right, now, what else, was going on, with you at that time, before this incident took place? Like, how much were you working? [01:43:39] Speaker 16: I was working 16 hours a day, seven days a week, because it was fine, because it was, I was trying to work through my loss, and I was trying to make money enough that it would get my marriage back to that, and I was trying to do something ethical. I was teaching children that were, that had been involved in crime. Where was that? It was ethics and ethics, and that's it. All right, and what were you doing, [01:44:10] Speaker 7: what were you doing there, exactly? [01:44:12] Speaker 16: I was, so, I was a teacher counselor, but I had a lot of, um, learning to do what I thought was right, um, there, so I brought them, um, extra quicker stuff, like music, um, I was teaching them how to, people that eat there, and I brought weights for their, but I, I brought in equipment, to bring them to everything that I was teaching them, like, teaching them music, and I brought in guitar, and I brought in the speaker, and I brought in my equipment, um, to, off, off, offload in that way. I teach them kids, and that's all the stuff. [01:44:46] Speaker 7: Now, did you enjoy doing that kind of work? It was the best work of my life. Now, over in the UK, before you came over here, did you also teach kids stuff? Yeah, I was teaching children, bush rap, how to use knowledge, and, where did you do that? An excellent education. [01:45:05] Speaker ?: Okay. [01:45:05] Speaker 7: So another similar kind of situation. [01:45:08] Speaker 16: No, the children that I was teaching at Eskalt, were a lot younger. Okay. And then, the people that I was teaching at Eskalt, were definitely until 17 years old. Okay. [01:45:21] Speaker 7: Now, there's, there's no denying that, what happened, happened. You know, you took responsibility, you pled guilty here. if, if you could say, one thing, or if you could just say anything, to Lee and his family, what, comes out when you think of that? [01:45:50] Speaker 16: You didn't deserve what happened to you, and, I couldn't do more, so I, really, couldn't fit in my heart. I didn't, and I said that, because I could pray for it, and I never will, and I can still empathize with what happened, and I'm very sorry. [01:46:12] Speaker 7: moving past it, which, I don't, I don't think anybody disagrees, nobody's going to move past it completely, but, how are you now, on the new medication, that you're on, currently? [01:46:37] Speaker 16: It is, it was a real bad for me, I mean, I have, no, I haven't had panic attacks, um, while I've been on, the new medication, um, which is a big deal to me. Um, do you feel, [01:46:52] Speaker 7: do you feel, do you feel, more stable? [01:46:56] Speaker 5: Yeah. [01:46:57] Speaker 7: Now, I mean, obviously, you're locked up in a jail, obviously, there's probably some depression there, but, overall, do you feel, I don't want to say normal, but, no, more, more yourself, compared to, right before this? [01:47:12] Speaker 16: So, I, I can distinguish, a more, more sustainable, way of, being at that, where I should be, in my back. I think, I can do that in a more, controlled way, rather than, in a man's way. [01:47:37] Speaker 7: So, what are your plans, moving forward? If the, depending on what happens. I understand that, but if the court, you know, whatever the sentence is, when you get out, what would your plan be, getting out? What would, [01:47:55] Speaker 16: what would my plan be to do? [01:47:57] Speaker 7: Once you're released, what are things you would want to do? [01:48:01] Speaker 16: If I was able to, which, I think that, to find a way to, even if it wasn't in direct contact with children, I would like to go back to, helping specifically teenagers, become sustainable, and enthusiastic adults. I am, with ECHO, I was putting in a lot of extra, you know, how do you word it? I was putting in, I was getting above my core of duty, and I was designing programs, to, for the children, to become, members of society, that they wouldn't otherwise have the experience to do. so, for example, I've been in contact with the mayor of the moon, to, try and, find where, there was building projects, construction projects, that kids would be able to work on, so that they would be able to then, find a job, with relevant experience, to develop, through that, connect, or, I, had plans to, I contacted the, international, I don't know if it's called the ISSA, international sports, science, association, about getting them, qualified, getting these children qualified, to do personal trainers, which is possibly, $60,000 a year job, these children, can make $3,000 a week on the street, so, having them, having the opportunity to, make their money, fairly, and without risk, that would change a lot. [01:49:38] Speaker 7: And that's something you're very passionate about. [01:49:40] Speaker 16: That's my passion entirely. [01:49:42] Speaker 7: Now, besides work, we've talked about this, countless times. What do you, what have you always just wanted in life? [01:49:55] Speaker 16: I wanted a family. When I was, when I was, well, my mom said when I was five, I thought that my dad left earlier than that, but, since, I was, eight years old, all I wanted was my dad, and, like, that was, that was, I don't know, that's not too bad, but, I needed a best, male mom job, home world, and, I wanted to be that, for my own kids. I knew what, I knew what a dad felt like, and I wanted to feel that, for my kids. I wanted, to have, a holistic family, and we had struggled, just me, my mom, and Joe, I'd seen all this traffic, for my mom, you know, I knew I wanted to be, a dad, and, that's, something that I felt like, was taking from it, and, even though that's not the case, now I can see that, I didn't have the impact, to realize, there was going to be, a normal opportunity. So, [01:50:53] Speaker 7: after your dad left, growing up, do you think you struggled, with abandonment issues? [01:51:09] Speaker 16: 100%. Do you think you still, struggle with that? I do struggle with it, I don't think that, I know I'm not going to struggle, with abandonment issues, but, it's not entirely negative, because also, I know how to be there, for people. And I know, I'm not going to, advantage of people, but that was, that was kind of my, my, my, my, my problem with, my wife was, I couldn't, I couldn't, let it go, when she was saying, to me that, she wanted to, repair things, is there, I haven't gone up the table. Yeah. Okay. [01:51:59] Speaker 7: Is there anything else, you want to say? [01:52:03] Speaker 16: I just, I don't know, I think the only thing, that I have to say, is, what I did, was devastating, and, I mean it, from the bottom of my heart, that, if there was something, I could be trying to do, that I would, with, being part of, with my being, and, I feel like, I let my kids down, and my work, because I was giving them, something, that they weren't, always not getting, and, I've let my family down, my own family, but, I also have, a more, sustainable way, of thinking, like, I'm, I didn't give my mum, enough respect, to, to be calling around, regularly, when I was getting, through this trouble, and, now, I will, I will be, look back to my mum more, I'm not letting, I'm never going to let, another, woman dictate, how much I do to my mum more. [01:53:10] Speaker 4: That's all my questions. Very briefly, the event you testified, in reference to, oh, that shrimp bed, that was, year, over a year, prior to this event. I don't remember, I think it was September. You and your wife, separated June of 2024. So we went and separated, when we were 16 and so. You signed the separation agreement, June of 2024, correct? I don't remember. In fact, later after that, you signed, a waived notice, in reference to the divorce proceedings. A waived? You waived notice, in reference to the divorce, waived notice, in reference to the divorce, the divorce was going through. [01:53:49] Speaker 16: Yeah, well, she said to me that, that she needed, the sense of freedom, because I thought it was one, to be married to me at all. So yeah, [01:53:58] Speaker 4: we wanted to put in the war. And you were aware, any kind of relationship, that took place, between Mary Alice, and Mr. and Mr. Boeckler, that hadn't that been over. No, I didn't look at what I was, and I didn't know. She specifically told you that. No, they were communicating, for Snapchat. Well, just because they were communicating, they were all boards and stuff together. That doesn't mean, they were still having, any kind of relationship, right? Why would they be doing it, on a medium, that means, what was she being shady about? And that's, and that's the issue, right? Regardless of what she's telling you, it was over or not, you've convinced yourself, that you're not going to have kids, and it was Mr. Boeckler's fault, correct? That's why, yes. And that's why, on this date, you decided, you were going to inflict, as much pain as possible, on Mr. Boeckler. It wasn't the, I didn't, I didn't, [01:54:48] Speaker 16: I didn't consider it. Well, [01:54:49] Speaker 4: that's why you put napalm, or styrofoam, in the gasoline. You specifically told the officer, you wanted that to burn hotter, correct? Something like that. So again, you wanted to inflict, as much pain as possible, because in your mind, it was all Lee's fault, but it was your wife, that didn't, wanted to leave you, right? I didn't have that much memory, of that. Well, on the day of, you had great memory of it, didn't you? I didn't know, yeah. You specifically told the officer, how you drove down, to fill up, three gallons of gasoline, correct? I don't know. You don't remember that? No. You don't remember going, into the hallway, pacing back and forth? [01:55:30] Speaker 17: You don't remember, not judge, he's, he's answered the question, he does not remember it, I think. [01:55:37] Speaker 8: Huh? [01:55:37] Speaker 17: So you've asked him, a different question? You don't, [01:55:40] Speaker 4: you remember throwing gasoline on Lee? No. Let me ask you this, if you don't remember, any of that. [01:55:47] Speaker 16: I remember, I remember, [01:55:48] Speaker ?: I remember, [01:55:48] Speaker 16: I remember, that, I woke up, no, I was already, I had a hand set that night, and my wife was ringing my phone, and I was going through, something, I was, I was really, I was really in a bad way, and I decided to get my phone, I said, anything you've been having me? And, and, and she just went off of me, uh, pretty much I'm in the middle school, and that's where, everything is burning. [01:56:18] Speaker 4: So you're saying, to the support right now, you don't remember anything, or I can't leave, running after him, or anything. Let me ask you, this is the last question for you, okay? If you can't remember any of that, how in the world, could the court, believe you, when you say you're sorry, about something you don't even remember? I have no perfect question. [01:56:41] Speaker 2: Can you read her up? No. Thank you, sir. You can step down, and I'll see you back, your turn. Any further evidence? That's our evidence, your honor. Farmed from the fence? [01:57:09] Speaker 7: Your honor, people do not generally destroy their lives, their families, their futures, when everything is going well. This defense occurred, at the intersection, of serious mental illness, a marital collapse, emotional devastation, and extraordinarily poor judgment. That doesn't excuse it, in any shape or form, but it helps explain it. The defendant, [01:57:56] Speaker ?: The defendant, [01:57:56] Speaker 7: shout out to Michael Bocchase, respectfully requests this court, to impose a sentence, within the advisory guidelines. At the outset, defense recognizes, the extreme seriousness, of the offenses, before the court. Lee Vogler, suffered catastrophic, life-altering injuries, that nobody, is trying to dispute, what's in the world. Nothing presented today, by the defense, intends to minimize that, in any way. We're not minimizing, the pain and suffering, by Mr. Vogler, his family, his friends, the gravity, of Mr. Bocchase's conduct. It's inexcusable. Mr. Bocchase, stands before the court, having accepted, responsibility for his actions. He pled guilty, to attempted murder, aggravated maliciously, he has spared, the victim, the victim's family, the court, the burden, of some lengthy trial, that stands, and stands before this court, to accept his punishment. The question before the court, isn't whether punishment, is warranted. It's unquestionable. It is. The question, is what punishment, is appropriate, after considering, not only the offenses, but also the offender. Virginia law, recognizes that sentencing, is an individualized determination. While the court, must consider, the seriousness of the offenses, it must also consider, the unique circumstances, of the defendant. His history, his culpability, his rehabilitation, is, you know, the sentencing guidelines, all of this. We believe, for the following reasons, that it should be a sentence, in these guidelines. First, one of the most significant, mitigating factors, for the court, is Mr. Buckhead's, acceptance of responsibility. Right from the jump, he told the cops, exactly what happened. He admitted to what he did. He, admittedly, throughout this whole process, has stated, that day of, he obviously remembered it, in very detail. He told them, every single thing he could, to the best of his ability, on that day. He entered plea of guilty, so the offense is charged. He accepted responsibility, for his actions, without requiring, again, anybody to come to a trial. The victim, family, law enforcement, emergency personnel, medical providers. That would have been, a very emotional, long trial. Judge Alasson, we're here, he entered a guilty plea, once that one charge was dropped, because he was never going to say, he was not guilty of this. This right here, he's always accepted responsibility for it. Responsibility, accepting responsibility, remains one of the strongest indicators, and the offender, has become the process, of rehabilitation. Unlike defendants, who deny responsibility, or try to shift the blame. Mr. Buckhays, instead, acknowledge his conduct, stands before the court. He shows his empathy. The court should afford, substantial weight to that. Next, the most compelling mitigating factor, in this case, is Mr. Buckhays, extensive, well-documented, history of mental illness. This isn't a diagnosis, developed after the fact. This isn't, a litigation created defense. The evidence demonstrates, that Mr. Buckhays, has been struggling, with mental illness, for years, and it just got worse, and worse, up to this offense. The court has before, extensive records, documenting psychiatric treatment, psychiatric evaluations, medication management, hospitalizations, ongoing mental health intervention. Family members, friends, treating professionals, all describe, the same pattern, that we have. A gradual, but significant, decline, leading up, to this event, and then a steep drama. The psychiatric history is real. The treatment is real. The hospitalizations are real. The diagnoses are real. Now let's go back, to the fact that, we are not saying, in any shape, that the defense, suggests that mental illness, is excusing criminal conduct. It doesn't, whatsoever. However, sentencing requires, the court to understand, not merely what happened, but why it happened. And here, this is a huge factor. Mental illness, directly relevant to culpability, treatment needs, future assessments, and the likelihood, that the defendant, can be benefit, from rehabilitation. The testimony presented, established that, Mr. Bakay's, suffering from condition, had affected his judgment. He had issues, with emotional regulation, perception, impulse control, the ability to cope, with significant life stresses. The doctor, summed up, every single one, of these things. And in the middle, of his life, they all came, at the same time. The court, is not sentencing, a mentally healthy, individual, who simply, made a cold, calculated decision, to commit violence. The court, is sentencing, an individual, with a lengthy history, of serious, psychiatric illness, whose mental health, had been deteriorating, and then, got worse, than it's ever been in his life. That distinction, again, is what matters. The evidence, further established, that, the offenses occurred, during the complete collapse, of virtually, every single thing, that he said, mattered to him. Everything. His marriage, was failing. The testimony, further established, that, Mary Alice, Buck, Mary Alice, entered into, a relationship, with Lee Bulber, before the marriage, had ended. And Mr. Buckhays, became aware, of that relationship. He was even, told about this relationship. It was, it was, surrounding him. again, the defense, does not present these facts, as an excuse, but just an explanation. Infidelity, is not just by violence. It doesn't justify any of this. But knowing about this, explains it. It's, it's not, aimed to diminish, the seriousness, but just, just, give an understanding. However, those facts, again, are still relevant, in which, how this, whole scenario, played out. It demonstrates, that Mr. Buckhays, became increasingly, consumed, by the loss, of his marriage, the loss of his family. He wasn't, communicating with anybody. The responsibility, between his wife, I mean, the relationship, between his wife, and Mr. Goldberg. Every witness, testified, that they saw this, at the exact same time, and this is what was going on. Maybe for a mentally healthy individual, the collapse of a marriage, discovery of an affair, after already, failing marriage, a person not suffering, this would have been bad. For a person already suffering, significantly, with mental illness, those same events, can become so overwhelming, such emotional stressors, that will then, worsen existing, mental health conditions, would contribute, the most awful, judgment, irrational thinking, and destructive behavior. That's what we had here. The evidence established, that this offense arose, from a highly personal, emotionally charged conflict, rather than some, predatorial, random, indiscriminate violence. This wasn't gang violence. This was not violence, motivated by some financial gain. This was not a serial offender, targeting multiple victims. This was not an attack, upon strangers, selected at random. Rather, it establishes a man, with no criminal history, committing an isolated offense, that arose from a unique set of circumstances, involving a deteriorating mental condition. When it comes to rehabilitation, the court is sentencing a relatively young man, who still poses a capacity, to benefit from good treatment, correctional program, maturity, and the passage of time. The testimony presented by family members, friends, mental health professionals, all established, he's not beyond rehabilitation. The mental health professional testified that, the treatment exists. Diagnoses are genuine. Further treatment could reduce future risk. Rehabilitation remains possible. Leading up to this, one of the biggest things that they've all testified about, is the lack of communication from family. He wasn't keeping them in the loop. He wasn't able to talk to them. His mom has stated, and he stated that, that will never happen again. She has to move here. She'll move here. There is never going to be a time, when he's away from his family again. This close, three-person unit. The court doesn't have to choose, between punishment, and public sale. I say that because the guidelines, they accomplish both these objectives. The advisory guidelines in this case, were designed, to already account for the seriousness of the fact, the nature of the victim's injuries, the offender's criminal history, and the aggravating factors, associated with these convictions. The guideline sentence, protects the public, imposes substantial punishment, and holds Mr. Buckley's accountable, as he should be. And it also recognizes the ability, for future rehabilitation. Lastly, your honor, there's no doubt, the court is faced, with a very difficult sentencing decision, involving undeniably serious, offenses, and devastating injuries. We are not, trying to say anything, but they are devastating injuries. However, sentencing again, requires the consideration, of not only the offense, but also the offender. To recap, accept responsibility, if you're guilty please. He poses, you know, substantial documented history, of mental health. He was young, at the time of the offense, he retains capacity, for rehabilitation. It further demonstrates, that these offenses, occurred during, this awful psychiatric, breaking of life. There's no doubt, this led to extremely poor judgment, and awful circumstances. The evidence presented today, does not describe a predator. It does describe a man, who spent his life, it does not describe a man, who spent his life, victimizing others, or targeting people. It's a mentally ill individual, at this time, that was a wrappler. Shots, he said himself, that if he could take it all back, he would. He wishes, none of this happened. He shows remorse, empathy for his actions, and he's now on medication, that is working well, and he has plans for the future, to help others. Like he's been doing, his whole life. He worked with kids, in the UK. He worked with kids here. He's always trying, to get back, when he never had. And that's a family unit. This is not the shots, that every single person, here testified. This isn't the shots, that these people know. This is Shotzi, during the most awful, tragic time of his life. We are respectfully, asking the court, descendants, and within the recommended, guidelines provided, this will hold him accountable, for his actions, and also give a young man, another chance. A chance of the only thing, that Shotzi, is so desperately trying to happen. It's a family. That's all. [02:09:35] Speaker 4: Judge again, I don't see how, the defendants, coming before your honor, saying, hey, I'm showing empathy, I'm asking the court, to say, I'm sorry, and at the same breath, indicate, I don't remember what I did. throughout the hearing today, let's first address that, he was not going through, any dissociation on that day, he was very clear, he knew exactly, what he wanted to do. He wanted to kill, leave over. Even though, any kind of, events with his wife, was in the past. That's the evidence, it's a summary of evidence, before your honor, that was in the past. It broke it off. It ended. He was on the phone, with Mary Alice that morning, had nothing to do with leave. It had everything to do, with the fact that, she was going to go through, with an abortion. And as he told the officers, well, he wanted a family, as he indicated here today. For some reason, he indicated, he believed, well, leave was an issue, asked for it, that helped find a divorce, even though today, he admits there was other issues, that helped the divorce also. But you know, curiously, he's taking responsibility, on July 30th, for the issues, he may have created, in his divorce. He's taking responsibility, for himself, for the purpose of that. Now instead, as he told the officer, I was just angry. I was angry. This has nothing to do, with being disassociated. This has everything to do, with just outright revenge. He blamed Mr. Volga, for everything, and he was going to take, his power to flesh. Now throughout some of this, we've heard, you know, the defense counsel, asked, you know, why Mr. Volga, a reference to this there, and they indicated through, Mr. Hayes, afterwards, his remembrance, about everything. I still picture, [02:11:53] Speaker ?: I still picture, [02:11:53] Speaker 4: the picture I put up, for the court, that showed Mr. Volga there, on the street, and they really burn it. The people that day, was going by, stopped, poured some water on Lee, trying to help, you know what they, you know what they didn't care, about at that time? They didn't care about his politics, didn't care about his personal life. They saw another human being, literally, being burned to death. And they did what they could, to help that human being. It has nothing to do, with affairs, it has nothing to do, with reconciliation. This has everything to do, when the defendant, being so angry, that he literally, wanted to take the life, of another human being. Regardless of the reasons, they try to indicate, well, we're not saying, this is justified, however, these are the reasons. None of that, not only justifies, should be used, in reference to mitigate, in any way, shape or form, the sentence, that he deserves. This was straight out revenge, judge. He wanted to burn alive, the person he blamed, for, his life. And judge, I know we're here, for attempted murder, not murder. He should have got, no credit, to the fact, that Lee didn't die. Because he tried, his best to do it. He even put, styrofoam on there, because he wanted to burn, on them. Look for those, citizens that stopped, and poured water for him. The officers, they're able, the first responders, to get Lee to the hospital. Lee himself, who fought, his family, the doctors of the burn center, those are the heroes. He doesn't deserve, any correctness on that. Judge, the victim, his family, they're going to have stars, the rest of their lives, physically, emotionally, psychologically, but will never heal. It's hard, it's hard, pressed, to find, a case, where it is crystal clear, someone went out of their way, to kill someone else. We've had cases, where people just pull guns, at the last minute, and decide, I'm going to pull the trigger, that's first to be murdered, because we're pulling the trigger. He had to go by, his residence, as we pointed out, was right next, to where Lee was. He wasn't so hot, and bothered, he ran straight to that location, to take care of the Lee. No, he had to drive by that location, go to the gas station, fill that tank, three gallons up, go back to the office, get in there, not only pour gas on him, he had to run around, chasing Lee, to make sure he got, to Lee, outside, and lit him on fire. Put styrofoam on, make sure it burns higher. That's one of the, most clear cases, of a specific intent, to kill someone, that you're going to find. It's not as easy, as defense counsel, would have you have, say, well, he's learned his lesson, let's move on. Judge, the defendant may have been, the nicest person, in the world, prior to July 30th. But his actions, that day, of this horrific event, his specific intent, to kill another human being, his specific intent, to make sure, I want it to be, as painful as possible. Can you think, of a worse way, to kill someone? that's burned him? In the middle, of Main Street, in the middle of the day, in our city, we have a gentleman, deciding, I'm going to burn someone alive. That is so horrific. I'm not asking you, to sentence him, in reference to, again, he may have been, a nice person, prior to this day. But that act, that day, that screams for you, to go over the guidelines. Just as it indicated, Lee and his family, they've received, a life sentence. Life sentence of pain, life sentence of trauma, emotional. Why candidly, the defense serves, the same thing. [02:16:59] Speaker 2: Alright, Mr. Buckhase, if you'll stand please. So before the court, impose a sentence, is there any statement, you would like to make, or advance the reason, why the court should not, impose a sentence at this time? Thank you. Well, a lot has been said today, by witnesses, by the attorneys, and I'm not prepared, to go through all of it. But there are, some things I think, the court needs to point out. First is, guidelines. The guidelines call, for a range of, five years, eight months, to 12 years, eight months, with the midpoint, ten years, and seven months. When these guidelines, were initially adopted, in 1995, they were done so, under the auspices, of desiring, as a state, to, promote uniformity, amongst the sentences, to ensure, greater fairness, across the board, and, at the same time, to ensure, that individuals, were appropriately punished, for, serious crimes. In that, time frame, they looked, at historical sentences, they looked at, certain types, of offenses, that, the state decided, needed to be enhanced, and, that was what, initially, launched, these guidelines, after parole, was abolished, in 1995. at the same time, the state, the sentencing commission, has always, I mean, always, recognized, that, courts, may, and, should, depart, from the guidelines, inappropriate circumstances. Compliance, with the Virginia guidelines, is not legislatively, mandated, and does not, impede, the trial court's, authority, to sentence, outside the guidelines, if, because of aggravating, or mitigating, circumstances, a judge wishes, to do so. When you look at page, C of the guidelines, and you, understand the guidelines, as I know, counsel does, and the court does, you get, a number, which, sometimes seems like, it pulled out of thin air, assigned for the offense. You get, other numbers assigned, based on, various circumstances, and obviously, it goes without saying, if Mr. Buck Hayes, benefits, on the guidelines, from the fact that, he has no prior criminal history. That's something the court, can consider, and should consider, in any case. But the guidelines, do not, cannot, and were not, ever designed, to apply to all factual scenarios, and they cannot, and do not, apply to this, factual scenario. Had the defendant's desire, been fulfilled, as a, for instance, and he, was successful, in killing Mr. Boeber. Other sentencing guidelines, would have been prepared. 22 years, 11 months, to 38 years, three months, with midpoint of 30 years, and seven months, would, would be the guidelines, for a complete, first degree murder. in the most obvious way, he was not successful, in doing that. But, in so many, substantive ways, he has been successful, in doing that. the sheer terror, [02:21:40] Speaker ?: the sheer terror, [02:21:40] Speaker 2: visited upon Mr. Boeber, and his family, as a result, of your actions, is unfathomable. Whatever disputes, that might exist, real or perceived, between two individuals, can never, ever, be relied upon, to justify, or support, the torture, and intended death, to be visited upon, one human being, from another. Is it apparent, that Mr. Buck Hayes, has mental illness? Absolutely. It is well documented, and it is, serious. Was he distraught, over the dissolution, of his marriage? Unquestioned. Can we, as a society, embrace the notion, that you can, not only concede, kill a perceived, romantic rival, but to do so, in an especially, heinous, and cruel way? No. Rehabilitation, is a factor, that the court, considers, and sentencing, as a matter of course. But it, is also a factor, that can be, forfeited, by your conduct. The question, arose earlier, in Dr. Cogville's, testimony, about facts, and the law, not on, in the end, not on speculation, not on the relevant facts. And the facts, in this case, represent, the pinnacle, and the human school team. We, as a, as a community, the family community, of which I've been a member, for, 32 years, must make a clear, and unequivocal statement, about the nature, and extent, of your actions, and the incredible harm, that was brought upon, not only Mr. Rogan, but his family, his friends, the bystanders, who witnessed, and helped assist him, in this horrific event, and the community, at large. We have been, in the spotlight, recently, because of, a lot of positive things, that have happened, happened in the community, and continue to happen. Sadly, this case, put a different perspective, a different spotlight, on our community. that is one, that I hope, the court's actions, will continue, in this service. The court's been imposed, intensive life imprisonment, for aggravating, the health of the community, 10 years imprisonment, for attempted first, to be a murder. The court's been, five years, is a 10 year sentence, and all the 35 years, in the life sentence. We'll serve, four years, in the penitentiary. upon release, to be placed on probation, for the maximum, period of time, of just the grant, which is five years. If you require, the good behavior, for the remainder, of your life, and the special condition, of good behavior, you may not have, any contact, with the victim, with the dogma, or any member, of his family, in any way, shape, or form. The attorney, may advise you, in the life, to be desperate to it. Sheriff, I'd like you to contact, the department of collection, and the way, for his transport, to the penitentiary, at the 10 year process. [02:25:20] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.