About this transcript: This is a full AI-generated transcript of LIVESTREAM: Senate Blue Ribbon Committee investigates flood control projects (June 8, 2026) from Philippine STAR, published June 8, 2026. The transcript contains 17,197 words with timestamps and was generated using Whisper AI.
"representative Toby Tianko and very lately he was also mentioned by engineer Alcantara I intimated that desire in the last hearing mr. chair and also I also asked whether mr. Chabit distinction will be at will be advised during this very hearing mr. chair I remember vice chair Erwin Tulpo confirmed"
[0:00] representative Toby Tianko and very lately he was also mentioned by engineer
[0:06] Alcantara I intimated that desire in the last hearing mr. chair and also I also
[0:15] asked whether mr. Chabit distinction will be at will be advised during this very
[0:24] hearing mr. chair I remember vice chair Erwin Tulpo confirmed us and said that
[0:32] he will advise you of this request mr. chair these are all requested these are
[0:38] all in a captured in a page on page 207 of our transcript mr. chair so I wonder
[0:47] if the committee had made the invitations properly mr. chair thank you
[0:54] unfortunately I wasn't informed your honor but next hearing we will invite them
[0:59] definitely thank you thank you mr. chair yes also administrative also if you can
[1:05] invite again regional director palakan kasi medyo malaki po yung napunta sa
[1:11] Mindoro if hindi pa siya sumaharap panay bulakan po kasi malaki-laki rin po yung
[1:16] yung nailagay dun I think a total of 40 billion and also see congressman toby
[1:23] tiyanko I think her his revelations during the first hearing were varied revealing if
[1:32] he can be invited nahiya po siya pumunta sabi niya kasi he was not invited but I mean
[1:36] apal siya but I think he can help help a lot yes we will also invite him or ilamba
[1:41] toby tiyanko in the panakan in the siguro yung mga taga mindoro we'll invite them in
[1:48] the next day thank you mr. chair mr. chair yes santo de la rosa so uh hindi pala ito ang last
[1:56] hearing natin meron patay yung kasunod na hearing definitely ah thank you sir thank you
[2:01] thank you thank you
[2:02] and so chair lastly ah may I confirm if the chairman made uh an announcement that mr.
[2:22] saltico will not be invited yes as you know you have been a congressman for many years there's
[2:31] what we call inter parliamentary courtesy we do not invite or summon members of congress in
[2:37] the same manner that they don't invite senators to their hearings it is up to the congressman or
[2:42] senators concerned to appear before their uh uh inquiries uh in aid of legislation that is a
[2:49] tradition yes that tradition is not accorded to individual members of congress of either house
[2:56] it is accorded to the institution yes is that yeah uh you will yeah but if he is if he is expelled
[3:05] then we'll invite him he's no longer member of congress representative janko it was not expelled
[3:10] mr. chair but yes but when he was invited he is voluntarily appearing before the committee yes but
[3:16] there was an invitation no we did not extend an invitation to i was the one who invited him when
[3:21] i was the chairman you can speak for yourself yes that's why he can be invited there is no violation of
[3:28] inter-parliamentary anyway that's water under the bridge he will appear uh i think uh anytime now
[3:34] because he was informed by uh senator ericito so can we just proceed we have a long day
[3:39] point to call kay mr saldico all right we can invite him okay okay thank you no no no issue there
[3:48] okay so uh today we will hear the uh testimony of uh mr or former under secretary roberto bernardo
[3:58] kindly stand up so your oath will be administered by the uh by the director general of the brook do you
[4:07] swear or affirm to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth in this proceeding thank
[4:14] you you may take your seat thank you are you ready to uh make your statement uh yes po mr chair you may
[4:23] proceed dear senator laxon and honorable members of the blue ribbon committee i am roberto bernardo
[4:39] formerly an undersecretary for operations of the department of public works and highways dpwh
[4:46] i was summoned to appear today before the honorable blue ribbon committee and required to testify in
[4:53] connection with its ongoing inquiry in aid of legislation into the reported anomalies in certain dpwh
[5:01] projects flood control projects bago ko po ilahad ang aking nalalaman sa mga bagay na naistumbukin
[5:10] ng kagalanggalang na blue ribbon committee ako po ay umaamin sa aking maling nagawa
[5:18] ako po ay hindi naging matatag at tapat sa pagpapatupad ng tungkulin na ipinagkatiwala
[5:24] sa akin ng ating pamahalaan at samayanan taus puso at puno ng pagsisisi na ako po ay humihingi
[5:34] ng kapatawaran sa Diyos sa ating bansa at mga kababayan gayon din sa aking pamilya mga kaibigan at sa
[5:43] lahat ng aking binigo nakagawa po ako ng pagkakamali at pinahintulutan ko po ang aking sarili na maging
[5:51] kasangkapan sa pagpapatupad ng isang masamang gawain hanggap anda po akong gawin ang lahat
[5:58] ng nararapat upang maiwasto ang aking kamalian at maiwasan na ito'y mangyaring muli i wish to assure
[6:08] the honorable blue ribbon committee of my full cooperation with the investigation i am submitting
[6:14] an affidavit outlining my knowledge and of of an involvement in certain events material to the
[6:20] subject of investigation moreover i will disclose and expound on related incidents within my personal
[6:28] knowledge mindful not only of the materiality of my testimony but also of my rights as well as
[6:36] fearful of what effects my disclosures will have on my family's safety and well-being i have applied
[6:44] before the department of justice for coverage as a state witness under republic act number 6981
[6:52] otherwise known as witness protection security and benefit act i hope the honorable blue ribbon
[6:59] committee will find merit in my application and favorably endorse the same to the doj with the
[7:06] assurance of the honorable blue ribbon committee that my rights and benefits under ra 6981 shall shall
[7:14] be respected i am prepared to submit the aforesaid affidavit to honorable blue ribbon committee
[7:20] and swear to and swear to and testify on the same with the approval of the honorable doj secretary
[7:27] or the disclosure thereof for such purposes the highly sensitive nature of the disclosures
[7:33] made in my affidavit cannot be stressed enough this deal with involvement in irregularity irregularities
[7:41] of four senators and one congressman one member of a constitutional commission and one under secretary
[7:49] seriously undermining public trust in two out of three branches of our government and a constitutional body
[7:57] thereby posing a significant threat to our national security as it may lead to political instability which
[8:05] may weaken the ability of the government to function effectively 25 of september 2025 macati city metro
[8:15] manila and this mr chair signed na po ito okay may we hear from secretary remulya since uh he mentioned
[8:24] about his application uh for admission into the program i'd like to thank your honor we will have to
[8:31] to evaluate uh statements uh in relation to the uh all the uh other testimonies that we have gathered
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[8:39] in the video
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[9:01] Pasensya na parang nagkaroon ng konting gulo, but definitely we do not in any way intend for any of you not to be able to cover our events in the Senate anytime.
[9:12] On that note, nagulat lang ako kasi maayos naman. Sabi ko doon sa ating resource persons, halika na, sinusundo ko kayo, let's go in.
[9:20] Nagulat na lang ako na nakita ko doon si Secretary John Vic Romulia. Tinaharam ako.
[9:26] I never thought the day would come that somebody would prevent me from entering the Senate. This is my office.
[9:34] Again, thank you. Hindi ko rin nakalain na yung Senate staff, yung media dahil nasama na kayo doon.
[9:42] Kayo pang nakatulong na marating ako dito sa hearing na to. This is the Senate. This is the cause of democracy.
[9:52] We will hold our hearing and we will continue. So hindi na ho akong papaligoy-ligoy.
[9:58] Good morning again po sa inyong lahat.
[10:06] Before I begin, I'd like to address a very important thing. Yesterday, a session was purportedly held by 12 senators, 12 po,
[10:13] in which committee assignments were declared vacant and chairmanship of this very committee,
[10:17] this committee on the blue ribbon, was allegedly replaced.
[10:21] I stand before you today to state clearly and unequivocally that session was invalid.
[10:28] Wala po silang 13. Kahit Grade 1, marunong magbilang. Kailangan ng 13.
[10:34] So hindi, wala po silang authority gawin yung mga ginawa nila.
[10:39] The 1987 Philippine Constitution states, Article 6, Section 2, the Senate shall be composed of 24 senators.
[10:46] May narinig ko kayo 22? Wala. 24.
[10:50] Article 6, Section 16.2, a majority of each house shall constitute a quorum to do business.
[10:55] Rule 2, Section 2 of the Senate rule states, the officers of the Senate shall be elected by the majority vote of all its members.
[11:02] Majority vote is 13. When 12 senators convene and purportedly held session, how can that be valid?
[11:09] Nung tumay po si Sen. Gatchalian at sinabi niyang, ang dami hong posisyon, di ko na humaalala lahat.
[11:15] Acting, Siding Officer, Senate, President, Pro Temp, Acting, Senate President.
[11:24] Paano nangyari yun? Buhay pa po si Sen. Legarda. Kailangan po 13.
[11:29] Sabi nga eh, the officers of the Senate shall be elected by the majority vote of all its members.
[11:35] Buhay pa po si Sen. Legarda, hindi pa po siya pinapaitaan.
[11:38] Kaya hindi po pwedeng magkaroon ng another Senate President Pro Temp.
[11:42] I also say this for the sake of our stuff, nalitong-lito na sa ginagawa ng mga kasama natin.
[11:47] Yan po ang reason kung bakit tuloy po tayo because I would happily give up this position.
[11:52] Alam niyo po yun, hindi ko pinapangarap na maging chairman dito. I'm just doing my job.
[11:57] So I just needed to lay that on the basis para hindi na issue yun kung bakit ako nag-hearing, kung bakit tayo may hearing today.
[12:05] I have a longer speech, but because of the events that have transpired, I want to give floor to the Senate President.
[12:15] I will turn this over to the subcommittee chairman, Sen. Mark Coleta.
[12:19] I have already issued a letter to him. Later on, babasahin ko, nasa karapatan ko din po yun as chairman of the committee.
[12:26] Kine-question niyo nung sinabi ni Senate President na magkakaroon ng subcommittee.
[12:32] Napakaluwanag din sa rules namin. The chairman can create any subcommittee anytime.
[12:38] It can be verbal. It can be written. It can be text.
[12:42] Lahat na ng versions na ginawa ko. So valid po itong pag-create natin ng subcommittee.
[12:47] In any case, nandito din po ako. Pero may hearing din po akong isa tungkol sa taxation.
[12:52] Baka umaya kailangan ko din sunduin sa baba yung mga maghihiring ng mga kasama kong resource person for taxation.
[12:59] Anyway, I will give the floor to the Senate President. Thank you.
[13:03] Katotohanan, basis ng ating paniniwala sa Diyos, basis ng ating paniniwala sa isa sa lipunan na to, basis ng ating 1987 institusyon ay katotohanan.
[13:18] Let's start out and make this very clear. This is not against the administration. This is not for the administration.
[13:26] This is not for any political party. I ran in 2022 as an independent.
[13:31] I became Senate President with 13 people with different political beliefs. This is about the truth.
[13:39] So let me read this into the record.
[13:41] Revised Penal Code as amended by Commonwealth Act No. 264 restored by EO No. 187.
[13:48] Acts tending to prevent the meeting of the Assembly and similar bodies.
[13:52] The penalty of prision correctional or a fine ranging from 200 to 2,000 pesos or both shall be imposed upon any person
[14:00] who by fraud prevents the meeting of the National Assembly, Congress of the Philippines or any of its committees or subcommittees,
[14:07] constitutional commissions or committees or divisions or any political board or city or municipal council or board.
[14:14] or council or board.
[14:15] Article 144 as amended by Commonwealth Act 264 as restored by EO No. 187.
[14:22] Disturbance proceedings. The penalty of arresto mayor or a fine of 200 to 1,000 pesos shall be imposed upon any person
[14:29] who disturbs the meeting of the National Assembly or any of its subcommittees, committees or subcommittees,
[14:35] constitutional commissions or committees or division thereof or any provincial board or city municipal council or board or prevent
[14:44] or in the presence of any such body should behave in some manner as to interrupt its proceeding or to impair the respect due to it.
[14:52] I shouldn't have to read this.
[14:55] We do not want to put the Senate staff in the middle.
[15:00] But I invite the Blue Ribbon Committee staff.
[15:07] I invite the staff of the Senate while thanking the Office of the Sergeant at Arms,
[15:13] thanking the ladies and gentlemen who opened the doors to us today,
[15:17] who assisted Senator Pia to make sure that our resource persons are here today.
[15:23] As a point of order, Madam Chair, Rule 3, the President, his duties and powers.
[15:29] Section 3, Letter E, to have general control over the session hall, the antechambers, corridors, offices of the Senate.
[15:42] Nandyan din yung power to dismiss any employee for cost.
[15:46] Which dismissal in the case of permanent classified employee shall be inconformity with the civil service laws.
[15:51] I agree, let's not put the burden on the employees, but now it's a matter of conscience.
[15:58] Ladies and gentlemen of the Senate, you know the law.
[16:01] You work for the Senate.
[16:03] You work for lawmakers.
[16:04] You work for the Republic of the Philippines.
[16:06] Alam nyo kung anong tamat mali.
[16:09] Dun sa hindi nakakasiguro, let me read you the rule.
[16:12] Section 1, the Senate shall elect in the manner provided, hereafter provided.
[16:17] President, a President pro tempore, a Secretary, a Sergeant at Arms.
[16:21] These officers shall take their oath of office before entering the discharge of their office, the duties.
[16:27] Section 2, the officers of the Senate shall be elected by a majority vote of all its members.
[16:34] All its members, 13 po ang kailangan.
[16:36] Should there be more than one candidate, etc.
[16:39] So, the legitimate Senate President pro tempore is Loren Legarda, our Senate Secretary is Jose Luis Montales.
[16:48] Sabi po sa Section 4C, pwedeng magkaroon ng acting if, in the event of resignation, hindi po ako nag-resign.
[16:58] In the event of removal, tinong ko sa mga kapatid natin sa media kapon, did they remove us yesterday?
[17:03] Do you need a vote of 13 to remove us?
[17:07] Am I dead?
[17:08] Death?
[17:11] I don't think I'm dead.
[17:13] Absolute incapacity of the President.
[17:17] Siguro naman po, I'm in control of my faculties.
[17:19] Physical and mental, emotional, and spiritual.
[17:22] Ano po ang sabi ng Section 10?
[17:24] Ipalagay na po natin, yung sinabi ni Sen. Pia ay mali.
[17:28] Ipalagay na natin na yung katahimikan ng lahat ng mga din ng ma-law school ngayon,
[17:33] na sunod-sunod ang kanilang manipesto pero kahapon tahimik silang lahat dahil alam lang mali
[17:39] at hindi malturo sa kanilang masudyante.
[17:43] Sabihin nyo na po, sabihin nyo na tama yung kahapon.
[17:46] Ano sabi ng Section 10?
[17:47] The term of office of the President, the President pro tempore, the Secretary and Sergeant of Arms,
[17:52] shall begin upon their election and shall end when their successors shall have been elected.
[18:00] Nahalal na po ba yung kapalit ko?
[18:02] Yung nag-prescon po kanina, nahalal ba siya bilang Senate President?
[18:09] Hindi po.
[18:10] Siya mismo nagsabi, naghihintay pa sila ng 13.
[18:13] So, ladies and gentlemen, we will continue to function.
[18:16] Hindi po kami magpag-away, hindi po kami kapito ko, walang violence sa aming mga buto.
[18:22] Pero ipaglalaban namin ang Pilipino ang konstitusyon at ang katotohanan.
[18:27] So, may I invite all Senators to join us in this hearing and succeeding hearings.
[18:33] The credibility of the gentlemen in front of us will be tested.
[18:37] So, dun sa nagsasabing hindi totoo ang kanilang sabi, pumunta na po kayo dito ngayon.
[18:43] Hihintayin namin kayo para pagkatapos nila magsalita, mateting natin, masubukan natin,
[18:49] ma-cross-examin natin, then the Filipino people will know who is telling the truth.
[18:55] Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
[18:56] Thank you.
[18:58] Let me just acknowledge the presence of Senator Dante Marcoleta, who is our subcommittee chair.
[19:03] I will acknowledge him.
[19:04] I am acknowledging him, but I'll turn over the door to him in a minute.
[19:07] Senator Amy Marcos and Senator Robin Padilla.
[19:11] So, everyone, I have here my letter.
[19:15] This is signed.
[19:17] I signed this officially on June 2, but I informed him a week before that,
[19:23] that as the chairman of the Blue Ribbon Committee, I designate Senator Marcoleta as the chairperson of the subcommittee,
[19:31] authorized to pack a autoprope inquiry in aid of legislation on the Philippine underwater privilege speech of Senator Laxon,
[19:39] flooded gates of corruption, flooded gates of hell, et cetera, et cetera.
[19:43] And I will just read to you section 20 of the Senate Rules of Procedure Governing Inquiries in Aid of Legislation,
[19:50] which provides section 20 subcommittees, delegation of authority.
[19:54] The chairman of a committee may create subcommittees as may be deemed necessary for the purpose of performing any and all acts
[20:01] which the committee as a whole is authorized to do and perform.
[20:05] So, that's clear.
[20:08] It's just a waste of time and the energy of the people that we have in the Senate
[20:15] and have given a reason for people to doubt that this subcommittee is authorized to be formed.
[20:22] It is.
[20:23] So, it's very clear in our rules.
[20:24] So, on that note, I will move to the side so Chairman Dante can take over,
[20:34] and then I will also be in a taxation hearing later that I will be able to stay for a while.
[20:40] Thank you.
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[22:25] I invite the former Speaker of the House of Representatives, Martin Romualdez,
[22:33] and the two of his support in his home,
[22:41] the executive assistants or personal assistants of the congressman Saldico.
[22:50] And I invite the Ombudsman or his representative.
[22:56] I also have to invite the Secretary of the APWH
[23:01] or the representative of this committee.
[23:05] They are not.
[23:09] Now, it means that they don't have the name of this committee.
[23:17] I also want to read an opening statement,
[23:21] but I see this is too far.
[23:26] I will not say that I will not repeat the statement of our chairperson of the committee,
[23:31] sa pagatuto lahat ang kanyang sinabi,
[23:34] at lalong-lalo na hindi ko na po uulin ang sinabi ng ating kagalang-galang na nuno ng Senado,
[23:43] Senate President Alan Cayetano.
[23:47] Ang gusto ko na lamang pong bigyan ng emphasis.
[23:51] Sa sinabi po kanina ni Chairperson Pia,
[24:01] magingan ko po ganun din ang damdamin ko.
[24:04] Hindi naman namin pipipilitan ang sarili namin na kami manguna sa Blue Ribbon Committee.
[24:12] Nagkataon po nung una ako po inahirang,
[24:15] dala po ng kulin,
[24:17] ay binalikat ko po yun.
[24:19] At sa aking pagkakaalam,
[24:21] ginanap ko po yung tungkulin,
[24:23] ayon sa aking kakayanan at sa aking kaalaman.
[24:25] Kaya lang po ay nagtagal
[24:31] sapagkat iba po yung nahirang na leader ng aming Senado
[24:39] at nagtalaga sila ng bagong chairman ng ating komite.
[24:49] Kaya pansamantala, hindi na po ako naging chairman,
[24:53] ngunit ako'y naging miyembro pa rin.
[24:55] Ang problema lang,
[24:58] nung sila na po ang umawak ng chairmanship ng Blue Ribbon Committee,
[25:04] kayo pong nakakalam at lahat po ng Pilipino
[25:06] na sumusubaybay sa pagdinig na ito.
[25:09] Wala po silang ginawa para ituloy ang pagdig.
[25:15] Sila lamang po ang may kaalaman
[25:17] ng dahilan kung bakit ayaw nilang ituloy.
[25:21] Ayaw nilang ituloy,
[25:23] gusto pa nilang pagtakpan
[25:24] ang mga taong utak at mastermind
[25:29] ng pinakakarumaldumal na pagnanakaw
[25:33] sa Lapinang Bayan,
[25:36] sa kasaysayan ng Republika.
[25:37] Yung pong kasama naming once,
[25:44] ng once sa amin kahapon.
[25:48] Wala mang isa sa kanila
[25:49] ang naglakas loob
[25:51] na magsabi,
[25:55] mga kasama,
[25:57] ituloy na natin
[25:58] ang pagdinig na ito.
[26:01] Nagihintay ang sambayang Pilipino.
[26:03] Hindi ba tayo nahihiya?
[26:05] Pero po nila ito.
[26:07] Ipaliwanag natin
[26:08] sinong kumuha,
[26:10] saan napunta,
[26:11] ano nang mangyayari ngayon.
[26:14] Meron po bang nagsalita sa kanila,
[26:15] isa man sa kanila,
[26:17] lalo na po yung madalda sa kanila.
[26:20] Wala po.
[26:21] On record,
[26:24] kayo pong mga participa sa media,
[26:31] na karami po sa inyo ay bayaran.
[26:34] Sasabi ko na sa inyo ito,
[26:38] meron po bang nagsalita sa kanila?
[26:41] Kayo pong members ng media,
[26:44] tinanong niyo po ba sila
[26:45] kung bakit nagpakatahimik sila?
[26:48] Halos sampung buwang singkad,
[26:51] hindi sila kumuha.
[26:51] Noong kami po ang nagkaisa
[26:58] para manguna uli sa Senado,
[27:00] sa Munguna ng Sen. President Alan Cayetano,
[27:08] Hindi pa po kami nagtatagal.
[27:11] Gumawa na sila kaagad ng paraan
[27:13] para matigil kaagad ang pagdinaito.
[27:15] Iisa lang po ang layunin.
[27:18] Iisa lang po ang layunin nila.
[27:22] Pigilin taga
[27:23] at ibauna sa limot
[27:25] ang tungkol
[27:26] sa pangyayari
[27:28] ng flood control scandal.
[27:32] Wala na pong ibang isyong pinag-usapan.
[27:34] Wala na po.
[27:36] We need to forget, to forget, to forget, to forget the people who are living in our country, who are living in our country.
[27:47] Who are you going to forget?
[27:49] Now, we are here today.
[27:56] The only thing that comes here is that people who love their own people, who really want to know who should be able to do this happen.
[28:15] If you don't, it's like you can see.
[28:20] Read the Bible in the Bible, Proverbs 28, verse 1.
[28:30] Do you know what people are saying?
[28:35] The people who are suffering, the people who are suffering, will not be able to suffer.
[28:47] But the people who are suffering, will not be able to suffer.
[28:55] Now, this is our society.
[28:57] You will now see the truth of this experience.
[29:02] Nandito lamang yung taong gustong malasakit sa ating mamamayan, nakaharap sa atin ngayon.
[29:08] Yung pong wala, ayaw na yung mga tanong dito.
[29:16] Pagkakato na po ngayon kayong magigiting at matatapang na ex-soldiers nating bansa.
[29:25] Kami po, ako, lahat kami rito yung sumasaludo sa inyong katapang.
[29:31] Ang ninyo po sasabihin ngayon ay magiging record na ng kasaysayan ng Senado at kasaysayan na rin ng ating bansa.
[29:39] Hindi naman naratiling parang naratibo lamang na hindi napang pinapansin ng media.
[29:46] Alam po, binigyan nyo ng kopya ang opisina ng ombudsman.
[29:50] Pero walang ginawa.
[29:55] Alam po ba ninyo na ang opisina ng sekretary ng DPWH ay nabigay ng isang repeller report sa ating ombudsman noong Nobyembre pa, 2025?
[30:12] Anim na raa. Ilang ilang ilang buwan na kararaan. Baka isang taon na. O magiging isang taon na.
[30:22] 26 pages na reparel report para gawan, para gawan ng complaint ang former Speaker Martin Romualdez.
[30:31] Noong April 2026, meron na pong complaint apidavit na ginawa ang ombudsman laban kay former Speaker Martin Romualdez.
[30:47] Bakit wala pong naisasampah sa Sandigan Bayan?
[30:53] Nauna pa po yung kasama namin.
[30:57] Bakit nila pinipilit nadakpin si Senato Bato?
[31:04] Para sa ganon madretso na sa dihig.
[31:08] Para maagnas na yung bilang namin.
[31:11] Yan lang naman po ang punto nila eh.
[31:13] Makuha nila uli ang liderato hindi sa paraan at proseso na itinatadhana ng ating mga tuntunin.
[31:23] Kung hindi ang importante sa kanila, makuha nila ang liderato upang sa ganon maisagawa nila ang matagal na nilang layunin.
[31:33] Na talagang ibing na lamang ang isyo ng flood control.
[31:40] Wala na pong iba. Huwag na kayong mag-isip ng iba.
[31:42] Napakarami kasing tao ang involved dito sa flood control nito.
[31:45] Ito ang multong ginawa nila na tatakot sila ngayon sa sarili nilang multo.
[31:51] Mga kababayan na nakikinig po sa pagdinig na ito.
[31:55] Hindi po simpleng pagdinig ito itong araw na ito.
[31:59] Ang pagdinig na ito will define us kung saan pupunta ang ating bansa mula ngayon.
[32:08] Kaya importante po ito.
[32:15] Dahil wala po ang mga importanteng mga taong pinatawag natin sa dun sana pasisimulan ang mga tanungan,
[32:24] kayo pong nandito ngayon, tatanungin na lang.
[32:29] Pagkakataon na ninyo, marirecord na ng formal ang sasabihin ninyo.
[32:33] Matatala ang formal.
[32:36] Mr. President, bago ako magsimula, meron ka bang gusto kidagdag muna?
[32:41] Well, it's not too late.
[32:43] The Office of the Ombudsman, DPWH, DOJ, marami kami tanong.
[32:47] We need an impartial report, not a partial report.
[32:51] So sana pumunta sila.
[32:53] Mr. Chairman, dahil wala po ang ibang staff at ilang beses nung chairman ako ng Duribon,
[32:58] ay hiningi ko na kanila na i-administer yung oath.
[33:01] Maybe I can have the privilege now of returning the favor.
[33:04] Ako na i-administer ng oath sa ating mga bisita.
[33:07] Salamat po, Mr. President.
[33:10] Of course, you are in a better position to administer their oath.
[33:13] Magsitayo po kayong lahat.
[33:16] Taasan natin ating kanakamay.
[33:21] Do you swear or affirm to tell the truth, the whole truth,
[33:26] and nothing but the truth in these proceedings?
[33:29] Thank you.
[33:31] For the record, Mr. Chairman, all of the resource persons seated around the tables here have taken their oath.
[33:49] Thank you, Mr. President.
[33:50] Mr. President, for your information,
[33:53] Atorne Rondain, lawyer for Saldko, is in the vicinity,
[33:58] but I received a notice that he is fainted from making his way into this hall.
[34:05] Sana po ay merong makapagkatulong sa kanya para makarating dito, nasa babae.
[34:25] We asked some of our staff to see what's happening there, and then kung kailangan namin sunduin, susunduin natin.
[34:31] Again, may I remind that even our own employees,
[34:34] pag in-interrupt niyo or dinisturb or pipigilan niyo yung ating hearing,
[34:42] yan po ay criminal offense.
[34:44] At ang hindi pagpapasok sa aming source person ay kasama po yan, sa paparusahan.
[34:54] Mr. President...
[35:00] Sir, meron dito sa likod, dito na lang po, para mas safe.
[35:08] Sasamahan na lang po kayo. Dito na po kayo.
[35:11] Sasamahan na lang dito.
[35:12] Attorney Baligo, kayo po yung unang namin natanungin,
[35:28] dahil magkakaroon po ng pagbabago lang,
[35:31] dahil nawala nga po yung at hindi dumating yung mga principal pong mga
[35:35] kasama ninyong respondents para umagang ito.
[35:38] Kayo po ba ang tumatay yung abogado ng labing walong ex-soldiers
[35:48] na nakaharap sa ating ngayon sa committee ito?
[35:51] Opo, ginoong Sen. Marcoleta.
[35:56] At maaari rin po ninyong tanungin ang bawat isa sa kanila
[35:59] kung kinukumpirma nila ang aking admission that I am standing as their lawyer.
[36:07] So pwede pong...
[36:08] Yan nga po yung gusto kong sabihin.
[36:10] Sa lahat pong mga ex-soldiers nandito ngayon,
[36:14] kinukumpirma ba ninyo na si Atty. Baligod ang tumatay yung abogado para inyo?
[36:21] Salamat po.
[36:24] Mr. Chair?
[36:25] Yes, ma'am.
[36:27] Mr. Chair, may sumbong lang po.
[36:29] Maraming nagte-text na sinusubwayban ang ating hearing ngayon
[36:33] at ang nireklamo ay hindi lumalabas sa website.
[36:37] Pinagbawalan daw.
[36:39] At yung iba naman sa ibang plataforma ng media,
[36:42] pinapatay ang coverage putol-putol at choppy.
[36:46] Kung pwede lang po,
[36:48] hayaan natin na marinig ng sambayanan
[36:52] ang testimonya ng ating mga Marines.
[36:57] Salamat po sa inyong ulat, Madam Senator.
[37:00] Talaga pong gagawin nila ang lahat ng kanilang magagawa.
[37:03] Mr. Chairman,
[37:04] I receive information.
[37:06] It's not verified that the
[37:09] Atty. Bantug,
[37:10] who is not the secretary,
[37:12] ay pinag-utos nga daw to,
[37:14] patay yung...
[37:15] Just the website or wifi?
[37:17] Do we have wifi now in the...
[37:22] What about wifi here?
[37:23] Okay naman.
[37:24] Yeah.
[37:25] Again, no.
[37:26] Kung sino in charge ng website,
[37:27] put it on.
[37:28] If not,
[37:29] kasama din po kayo
[37:31] sa nag-i-interrupt,
[37:32] nag-disturb ng proceeding
[37:34] because in the digital age,
[37:35] pag ang coverage ng hearing,
[37:38] you interfere with that.
[37:40] You know,
[37:42] that is part of stopping the public
[37:45] from knowing what is happening here.
[37:47] So, again,
[37:48] ayoko kayo maipit,
[37:49] pero hindi man siguro kayo maipit
[37:52] by putting on live
[37:54] kung ano nangyayari ito.
[37:55] That's a matter of record.
[37:57] Even our non-hearing events,
[38:00] halimbawa may Art Ferrayo diyan
[38:03] or may Edcom report,
[38:06] ay pwedeng ilagay sa website natin.
[38:08] So, there's no legal issue about broadcasting
[38:12] officially from the Senate.
[38:14] Thank you very much, Madam.
[38:15] Senator Aimee and Mr. Chair.
[38:17] Thank you, Mr. President.
[38:18] Kaya po nang aming sinabi kanina
[38:20] lahat po ay gagawin nila.
[38:22] Huwag lamang matuloy ang hearing na ito,
[38:24] lalong-lalo na po para marinig po
[38:26] ang sasabihin ng bawat isang ex-soldier
[38:29] na nandito ngayon.
[38:31] Gusto namin ulitin na maaaring na-impluensya,
[38:34] na-confuse ang iba namin mga staff dito
[38:36] dahil sa ginawa nila.
[38:38] Akala po nila yung 12 pinangatwira
[38:40] na nagsasight pa po sila
[38:42] ng jurisprudence,
[38:43] Abilion versus Cuenco.
[38:45] Kahit na po bar flanker,
[38:47] kahit hindi po umasa sa bar,
[38:49] ay may intindihan niya
[38:52] na hindi applicable yung nga sinasabi nila.
[38:54] Pati po yung sinasabi nila
[38:56] nung panahon ni Sen. President Drilon,
[38:58] 12 lamang po ay okay na pong maging quorum.
[39:02] Alam po ninyo,
[39:03] isa lang po para maintindihan lahat po
[39:05] ng mga kababayan nating nakikinig.
[39:07] Ang doktrina po na in-establish
[39:09] ng Korte Suprema,
[39:12] kapag ilan sa amin
[39:14] ay wala sa Pilipinas.
[39:16] Limbawa po,
[39:18] kagaya ng panahon nung Abilino versus Cuenco,
[39:21] isa po sa Senador ay wala sa ating bansa.
[39:25] Pagka po ang isang Senador ay wala sa ating bansa,
[39:28] labas siya sa coercive jurisdiction po ng Senado.
[39:31] Kaya kung isa ay wala,
[39:34] 23 ang basis ng quorum.
[39:37] Kaya po noon,
[39:38] nangyari po yung 12.
[39:40] Sa panahon po ni Pangulo ng Senado,
[39:44] Sen. Drilon,
[39:45] apat po noon ang wala sa bansa
[39:49] sa iba't ang kadahilanan.
[39:51] Kaya ang basis po ng quorum noon ay 20.
[39:54] Kaya kahit 11 lang sila,
[39:56] pwede ang quorum.
[39:58] Sa panahon po namin ngayon,
[40:01] ikinulong po nila si Sen. Jingoy.
[40:04] Pero si Sen. Jingoy po,
[40:05] hindi nakakulong sa El Salvador
[40:07] na andito po sa Pilipinas.
[40:09] Si Sen. Bato,
[40:10] wala namang po determination
[40:12] na nakalabas siya ng Pilipinas.
[40:13] Gusto lang nilang ilabas sa Pilipinas
[40:16] para malusaw nga po yung kilang namin.
[40:19] Yun lang po para pakatandaan ninyong mabuti.
[40:21] Lahat po nang sasabihin nila,
[40:23] ililinlangin kayo,
[40:25] ililigaw kayo.
[40:26] Nailigaw po yung ilan namin mga maliyado rito.
[40:30] So, Atty. Baligod,
[40:33] kinunfirman ng mga nanditong mga dumalo
[40:35] na ikaw ay kanilang abugado.
[40:40] Tama ba ang assumption namin
[40:42] na ang pinagsamang sinumpang salaysay
[40:45] na una ninyong ginawa
[40:46] ay binigyan nyo ng kopya
[40:48] ang opisina ng ombudsman?
[40:50] Tama po yun, Your Honor.
[40:54] On the same day that we had
[40:57] pinagsamang sinumpang salaysay notarized,
[41:01] ay pumunta na po ako
[41:03] kay Office of Ombudsman
[41:05] para isumite ito.
[41:06] Pwede po ba niyong isaisay dito sa kapulungan ito
[41:10] kung anong petsa ninyo
[41:13] binigyan ng kopya ang opisina ng ombudsman?
[41:18] Nakalagay po dito na
[41:20] February 26 po,
[41:25] 2026.
[41:26] Sa mga katuwid, ilang buwan po yun
[41:29] mula nung maibigay ninyo sa opisina ng ombudsman?
[41:32] About 98 days today, Your Honor.
[41:36] 98 days is how many months?
[41:38] Three months.
[41:40] Meron na po kayong tinanggap na
[41:44] komunikasyon mula sa opisina ng ombudsman
[41:48] na ginamit niya ito,
[41:51] nag-react man lang siya kung anong gagawin niya,
[41:53] kung paano niya itatrato
[41:57] itong pinagsam-samang salaysay
[41:59] ng inyong mga kliyente.
[42:02] Sumulat po sa akin
[42:05] ang isang director ng Office of the Ombudsman,
[42:08] Records Division Chief,
[42:10] na sinasabi na yung pinagsamang sinumpaang salaysay
[42:15] ay dapat daw po isa-isa lamang,
[42:20] hindi pinagsama.
[42:22] At noong gagawin na po namin yun,
[42:26] ay nakatanggap naman kami ng sub-PIN
[42:29] galing sa national investigation
[42:34] na ayon sa kanilang sub-PIN
[42:37] ay inutusan sila ng Office of the Ombudsman
[42:39] to conduct an identity verification
[42:42] doon sa mga nakapirma doon.
[42:44] So nangyari po yun,
[42:48] pero nagkaroon kami ng konting
[42:50] tatanong sa NBI
[42:52] dahil ang delegated authority nila
[42:55] ay to conduct identity verification lamang
[42:58] ngunit pinaghiwahiwalay po nila ito si Ocho
[43:01] at nag-conduct po si
[43:02] ng isang custodial investigation.
[43:05] At pinaalahanan ko po ang mga investigador ng NBI
[43:11] na kung custodial investigation niyan
[43:14] ay entitled ang bawat isa ng abugado.
[43:18] At nag-iisa po ako noon.
[43:20] Kaya ang sabi po nila,
[43:21] di bale, attorney,
[43:22] dahil ipapabasa muna namin sa iyo
[43:25] ang kanilang salaysay pagkatapos.
[43:28] Ngunit hindi po ginawa ng NBI yun
[43:31] at namin po sa mga 18
[43:33] ay pinilit nilang pumirma
[43:35] at doon sa nakapirma,
[43:37] dalawa ang ginamit ng
[43:40] Ombudsman sa Field Investigation Bureau
[43:44] doon sa kanilang factual investigation
[43:48] concerning former Speaker Martin Romualdez,
[43:53] Zalico,
[43:54] at saka si attorney Raul Paras.
[43:57] At naglabas ng isang complaint
[44:00] ang opisina na yun ng Ombudsman
[44:05] naban doon sa napanggit kong tatlo
[44:07] at ginamit po nila
[44:09] yung salaysay na naibigay sa NBI
[44:12] yung salaysay ni Ginoong Esquivel
[44:15] at saka ni Ginoong Navidad po.
[44:19] Pwede bang kulitohin niyo yung pangalan
[44:22] nung dalawa sa 18 soldiers
[44:27] na ang kanilang salaysay ay ginamit
[44:30] na batayan sa pagsasampa na kaso
[44:33] kay former Speaker Martin Romualdez,
[44:38] Zalico at iba pa.
[44:40] Yung isa po ay si Christopher T. Esquivel
[44:46] at saka si Hill Navidad.
[44:49] Mr. Chairman.
[44:52] Yes, Mr. President.
[44:53] No, just as a lawyer,
[44:55] kumpanyero,
[44:56] and you as a practicing lawyer,
[45:00] hindi ba mali yung procedure ganon?
[45:02] Kasi ang alam ko sa custodial investigation,
[45:05] the person under investigation
[45:07] has the right to choose his lawyer
[45:09] at kailangan,
[45:10] all throughout the custodial investigation,
[45:12] present yung lawyer niya.
[45:14] Hindi pwedeng sabihin ng piskal,
[45:16] ng police, ng NBI,
[45:18] o ng kusinuman,
[45:20] papakita muna namin sa'yo.
[45:22] You're there to advise them
[45:24] all throughout that procedure.
[45:26] Tama po ba ako?
[45:27] Tama po yun,
[45:30] Senate President.
[45:31] Yun po ang sinabi ko.
[45:34] I cautioned the NBI investigator about that.
[45:37] And in-admit nila na alam din po nila yun
[45:41] dahil abogado rin sila.
[45:42] Kaya ako naman,
[45:44] para hindi nila masabing
[45:46] na obstructionist po ako,
[45:48] ay pinayagan ko po sila
[45:50] interviewin isa-isa
[45:52] na walang kasamang abogado
[45:54] but with the condition
[45:56] na pag natapos nila
[45:57] bago pumirma yung interviewee
[46:00] ay basahin ko po muna
[46:03] at kasama ako sa pipirma.
[46:05] Ay hindi po yun na sinunod
[46:07] ng ilan sa mga NBI investigators.
[46:11] I'll ask the follow-up questions later on
[46:13] so that we can fast.
[46:14] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[46:16] Pero ato ni Baligod,
[46:17] nung ibigay mo itong kopya sa kanila
[46:19] ang pinagsamang sinumpang salaysay,
[46:21] wala naman silang sinabi sa'yo
[46:23] na yung pinagsamang salaysay na yun
[46:25] sa kanyang kabuuan
[46:27] ay hindi nila sinabing walang kwenta,
[46:31] hindi nila sinabing walang saisay.
[46:34] Wala naman po silang sinabi
[46:38] as to the value of the affidavit,
[46:41] kanya lang gusto nila sa isahin.
[46:44] At ipinalawanan ko nga po na
[46:47] itong pinagsamang sinumpaang salaysay
[46:50] is a common practice
[46:52] when more than one witnesses
[46:54] know similar facts.
[46:56] palagay ko po ay medyo nagkamali
[47:02] si ombudsman doon
[47:04] dahil noong PDAF investigation nga po
[47:08] ay ganun talaga ang proseso.
[47:10] In fact, pwede silang mag-action sa isang
[47:14] anonymous na komplente.
[47:17] So, ang proseso po talaga sana dyan ay merong reklamo,
[47:24] pwede po nilang i-refer sa kanilang field investigation bureau.
[47:27] I think there are six or seven bureaus
[47:30] na makakandak po talaga ng ganun question and answer
[47:34] bago gumawa sila ng isang salaysay.
[47:37] And I am proven right po with regard to that procedure
[47:41] dahil a few days ago,
[47:43] I received a letter from the office of the ombudsman
[47:49] na ganun yung gagawin ng proseso.
[47:51] Kaya sa June 11 po,
[47:54] nag-invite sila ng isa
[47:56] at pinapasamahan nila sa akin.
[47:59] Sa June 15,
[48:00] isa umaga, isa sa hapon
[48:02] at pinapasamahan din po nila.
[48:04] And tama po yung proseso na yun.
[48:06] Yung unang sinabi ng ombudsman
[48:08] na proseso nila ay nagkamali po siya noon.
[48:13] Salamat po.
[48:14] Bago ko ituloy ang aking pagtatanong,
[48:15] let me acknowledge our colleague,
[48:17] Senator Lauren Ligarda.
[48:19] Thank you.
[48:21] Good morning, Mr. Chair.
[48:23] Mr. President, thank you very much.
[48:28] Mr. Chair, may I just make a comment
[48:31] on the earlier statement of Senator Pia Cayetano,
[48:34] if I may.
[48:35] Mr. Chair.
[48:38] Mr. Chair.
[48:39] Yes, you recognized me, right?
[48:41] Yes.
[48:42] I am not AI.
[48:43] I'm alive.
[48:44] And I'm present.
[48:46] Mr. President Nguyen President,
[48:47] Mr. Pia Cayetano.
[48:48] Opo.
[48:50] I not acknowledge it you are
[48:57] Hipo.
[48:58] Mr. President Potempore
[49:01] and member of 25 men and women
[49:02] in the Senate.
[49:03] And according to her
[49:05] Mr.Pia Cayetano,
[49:06] we're here for our연 build.
[49:08] Mr. Presidentividade and member of
[49:10] Susan places onedd,
[49:11] who were the same beweging
[49:13] I would be more than willing to yield my position. Been there, done that.
[49:31] Just like 2022, President Migsawiri was pro-tempore and we were ousted by Senate President Jesus
[49:42] Escudero and Senate pro-tempore, Jingoy Estrada, I'm more than willing to yield.
[49:47] So just to make it clear, never po tayo nagkakapito ko sa anumang posisyon.
[49:52] Dito po ako para ipakita na nandito po tayo at hindi pa po tayo nagre-resign sa ating posisyon.
[50:03] At yan naman ayon sa Rule 2, Section 2 ng Senado.
[50:09] Salamat po patuloy ang inyong hearing. Ako po ay makikinig sa ating mabayani na nandito po ngayon. Salamat.
[50:16] Salamat po, Madam Senator.
[50:22] Attorney Baligod, pakikita ko sa iyo yung kopya ang ibinigay sa akin at tasabihin mo sa pagdignito kung itong dokumentong ibinigay sa akin
[50:34] ikapareho rin nung isinabit mo sa opisina ng Ombudsman.
[50:38] For the record, Mr. President, Attorney Baligod comparing the document I handed him with the document that he faced the office of the Ombudsman.
[50:59] Mr. Chair, before I respond to your request, let me make a statement that salamat po sa tanong nyo na ito.
[51:12] Dahil alam ko po na may umiikot noon sa social media claiming na yun yung affidavit ng 18 na mga dating Sunnalo.
[51:23] At nakita ko na maraming mali, may mga dagdag bawas at yung maling affidavit po na yun ang ginamit ng ilang mga mambabatas sa kanilang reklamong libel at cyber libel sa amin.
[51:39] Ginamit po nila yung hindi notaryado, hindi pirmado at may mga intercalations na affidavit po.
[51:46] Attorney Baligod, Mr. President, and colleagues, is comparing the document.
[52:09] I let me acknowledge the presence of Attorney Rui Rondain, who voluntarily presented himself before this committee.
[52:18] You might be able to ask him questions later.
[52:22] If he so deserves, he will be able to answer it.
[52:25] Thank you.
[52:25] Mr. Mr., except for depagination and the contents of a specific page, meron pong pagkakaiba, like for example in page 12, sa amin pong si Mite sa Office of the Ombudsman, page, sorry sir.
[53:18] Your Honor, I withdraw my initial statement and I confirm that these are the same.
[53:26] Parehong, parehong.
[53:26] Opo, hindi ko nakita kasi yung isang page kasi nakalimutan ko yung salamin na sasakyan.
[53:33] Okay.
[53:34] Thank you for confirming a copy that I receive is similar with the one that you submitted to the Office of the Ombudsman.
[53:55] Kasi po dahil wala pa naman kaming hawak na mga individual na maaring ipagawa namin sa inyo.
[54:06] Yung attorney?
[54:07] Para po hindi tayo magkalito po, bibigyan na lang po namin kayo ng photocopy of what we submitted to the Ombudsman.
[54:17] Nag-prepare po kami ng kopya para sa inyo.
[54:19] For the record, again, attorney Baligod gave the chairman as well as my colleagues in the committee a copy of the pinagsamang si Mata Saisay of the 18 ex-soldiers.
[55:04] A copy that was submitted to the Office of the Ombudsman sometime in February 2026.
[55:21] Binasa ko ito, attorney Baligod, at ang nagbigay sa akin ng malaking atensyon ay yung napakaraming deliveries ng mga maleta na nakalitrato pa dito sa inyong sinumpang sa Laisay.
[55:41] Initially, pwede ko bang malaman sa pamagitan ng pagtatang kamay ng mga nandito mga ex-soldiers,
[55:49] sino-sino po sa inyo ang nakapag-deliver o nag-deliver ng mga mali-maletang salapi sa mga bahay o lugar na sinasabi nyo na pag-aari?
[56:07] For the record, Sir President, halos lahat po ay personal na nakakaalam na silang lahat ay nag-deliver ng mali-maletang pera sa bahay o sa mga lugar na pag-aari ni former Speaker Martin Romualde.
[56:32] Salamat po.
[56:33] Sir Chairman.
[56:35] Sorry to interrupt. Marami pong media sa labas ayaw papasukin.
[56:41] Makiusap ulit ako sa staff kung hindi ko mismo ang bababa.
[56:45] Sa pagkaalam ko, may freedom of the rest pa naman.
[56:48] At hindi nyo naman pipigil na nandito lahat ang ating mga patid sa media, nandito lahat ng kameras.
[56:53] So, pagbigin natin lahat ng sasyon at lahat ng outlets.
[56:57] May pagabi, kung sa gate daw, pinakita sa akin picture ayaw papasukin.
[57:02] Nag-issue kasi po si Senator Winn Gatchelian ng 10 o'clock, uwian na.
[57:10] Sabi nila gusto nila magtrabaho, pero 10 o'clock gusto nila uwin na.
[57:14] So, tutuloy natin ito, Mr. President, Mr. Chairman.
[57:18] But, sana nga po huling panawagan na ito na lahat ng gustong mag-attend, basta't maayos lang, payagam po nilang papasukin.
[57:27] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[57:29] Mr. Chair, may I recognize for a few seconds of preliminary statement.
[57:35] Before you start asking questions directed to the 18 former soldiers.
[57:40] Yes, that is supposed to be the one we'll ask you to do.
[57:43] Because you need to identify them, the circumstances,
[57:46] kanino sila nagtrabaho, at kung paano nagawa itong pinagsama-samang salaysay na ito.
[57:51] Please proceed.
[57:52] Okay.
[57:55] Salamat po, Senator Marcoleta.
[58:00] Dagdagan ko na lang yung gusto ko sanang sabihin kanina, but it will take me a few, two minutes lamang po.
[58:08] Dalawang reason po kung bakit nandito kami ngayon sa harapan ninyo.
[58:11] Ang unang reason po ay lahat naman tayo, galit tayo sa magnanakaw.
[58:17] Ang unang reason pinatawag namin kayo rito, para tumistigyo kayo personal at marig ng buong sambayan ng Pilipino,
[58:25] ang sasabihin ninyo, dahil palagay namin malaki ang maikokontribute ninyo sa ikalulos ng problema natin,
[58:34] na ayaw pong lutasin noong naunang leadership ng Senado.
[58:37] Ang pangalawang rason na nandito kami ay dahil nga po sa inyong paanyanya bilang chair ng subcommittee ng Blue Ribbon Committee.
[58:49] Nakatagap din po kasi kami ng isang email kahapon, galing allegedly sa opisina ni Senator Erwin Tulfo,
[58:59] claiming to be the chair of the Blue Ribbon Committee.
[59:03] At kalabi po ay nag-usap kami, and we decided to honor the invitation of the committee as chaired by Sen. Caetano
[59:12] and as chaired by you as the chair of the subcommittee.
[59:17] Dahil po, sabi nga ninyo kanina, ay mali yung proseso kahapon.
[59:21] At kanina lang po namin nalaman talaga na yung pagnanakaw pala ay habit forming.
[59:28] Dati ay nagnanakaw lang sila ng pera sa kaban ng payan.
[59:32] Ngayon o kahapon ay meron ding nagnakaw ng kamayarihan.
[59:38] At kanina lamang po pagpasok namin ay gusto rin nilang nakawin ang katotohanan
[59:43] at pagtakpan ang katotohanan sa ating mga kababayan tukol sa pagnanakaw na ito.
[59:50] Kaya sabi ko nga habit forming pala ang pagnanakaw.
[59:54] Ito pong affidavit nito ay isinagawa ng mga sundalo.
[59:59] Pagkatapos ng ilang meeting, kailangan ko po silang tanuin sa kanilang mga nalalaman.
[1:00:08] At yung nandito po sa kanilang pinagsamang sinumpaang sa Laysay,
[1:00:13] ay parang bintana lamang po kung ano ang nalaman nila.
[1:00:18] Marami pa po silang alam na hindi namin inilagay dito.
[1:00:22] At sinadya ko po na hindi ilahad-lahat
[1:00:25] because I just wanted concerned agencies of government to look to their allegations.
[1:00:33] Parang imbitasyon lamang.
[1:00:37] At gusto namin sa isang formal na investigasyon sana ilalabas ang lahat po.
[1:00:42] Marami pong wala dito.
[1:00:44] At halimbawa nga po, pardon me if I touch the sensitivities of some.
[1:00:51] Especially nandito po ang isang ginagalang nating babae na membro ng Senado na ito.
[1:00:59] Pero halimbawa po, personal na witness ng mga sundalong ito.
[1:01:05] Isang membro ng ati Senado ay engaged sa human trafficking.
[1:01:10] Namimili siya ng babae.
[1:01:12] At ipinapagpa ng mga sundalo sa kwarto na nandun yung kasamahan po ninyo.
[1:01:16] Tony, sorry ha.
[1:01:18] Ang problema kasi karamihan ng Senado, lalaki.
[1:01:21] So pag hindi mo sinabing pangalan, baka hindi kami makauwi ng buhay sa mga asawa namin.
[1:01:27] So banggitin mo na sino.
[1:01:29] Masasabi ko po na wala dito.
[1:01:31] And in due time po ay...
[1:01:34] Okay, in due time, basta't may personal knowledge, basta't hindi ma-retest.
[1:01:39] Go ahead.
[1:01:39] Pero as much as possible, Mr. Chairman, yun ang request po.
[1:01:43] Wala tayong sasabihin na hindi personal knowledge.
[1:01:46] Pangalawa, pag sinabi ng meron ganito sino,
[1:01:49] para mapagtanggol niya sarili niya.
[1:01:51] Inuna lamang po kasi namin itong pagnanakaw, no?
[1:01:54] Pero yung ibang mga krimen na nalaman namin, ay sabi ko nga, in due time.
[1:02:00] Dahil nakila po namin na ang sitwasyon ng ating bangsa ngayon ay delikado pag ikaw ay magbunyag ang isang katotohanan.
[1:02:09] The executive now has control practically of Congress.
[1:02:16] Sorry to interrupt, Sir President.
[1:02:18] Mr. Chairman, I'll take a leave.
[1:02:20] Ayaw pa pasukin pa rin yung ibang media.
[1:02:22] Bababain ko na lang muna.
[1:02:23] Yes, apropos of that, Senate President Allen, please.
[1:02:28] Nahak po yung website yata ni Chair Coleta.
[1:02:35] At hindi na lumalabas.
[1:02:37] May lumalabas na nagdadrums.
[1:02:39] Nahak po yung kay Senator Marcoleta.
[1:02:41] Yes, at hindi siya makapag-livestream.
[1:02:44] May taong nagdadrums yun na lang ang lumalabas.
[1:02:46] Nakakapagtaka.
[1:02:47] Ikalawa, bago kayo umas sa Senator President Allen at saka kay Chair Marcoleta,
[1:02:54] ibig ko lang tanungin, bakit po narito ang DILG Secretary John V. Cremulia?
[1:03:01] Pinagtatakahang ko po dahil ang pagkaalam po ang tanging security lamang sa atin ay ang osaa.
[1:03:11] Sino ba ang nag-request?
[1:03:12] Kasi di ba kailangan magtimbre ang PAP na pakarami po nila.
[1:03:16] Yeah, well, Mr. Chair, we just assume regularity.
[1:03:21] But we'll find out.
[1:03:22] We'll find out.
[1:03:23] There was news kanina na nirequest siya to be here by Senator Winn.
[1:03:27] But as we said, Senator Winn has no authority.
[1:03:29] It is the Senate President who has authority over the corridors and premises of the Senate.
[1:03:35] Having said that, I assume good faith.
[1:03:36] But puntaan ko lang yung media kasi malapit na yung testimony ng ating mga kasama.
[1:03:40] Kaibigan po naman natin si Secretary John.
[1:03:44] Subalit maraming nagtatanong kung local government unit o LGU na lamang Senate.
[1:03:51] So for the record, pinapapasok na rin.
[1:03:53] Thank you for that question, Madam Amy.
[1:03:55] I'll find out.
[1:03:56] I'll find out.
[1:03:57] I just have to take stock.
[1:03:58] Ilan sa ating mga empleyado ay susunod pa sa legitimate Senate President.
[1:04:06] Gustong sundan yung nangyari kahapon.
[1:04:08] Thank you for that, Mr. Chairman.
[1:04:10] Sorry for that interruption.
[1:04:11] Ako, hindi ko na pinagtataka kung nawa nila doon sa aming Facebook page yun.
[1:04:20] Paulit-ulit ko pong sasabihin sa inyo, lahat po ay gagawin nila.
[1:04:24] Huwag lamang matuloy ang pagnig na ito at sa anumang paraan ay talagang gagawa at gagawa sila dahil nga sa kanilang pagtatakip.
[1:04:36] Wala pong ibang isyong pagtatakpan.
[1:04:39] Kanina ko pa po inuulit-ulit ito.
[1:04:41] Dito lamang nila-intresado.
[1:04:43] Hindi sila-intresado sa impeachment.
[1:04:45] Intresado sila dito sapagkat maraming dapat na mabulgar.
[1:04:50] Ngunit natatakot silang malaman ang buong sambayanan kung sino-sino sila.
[1:04:55] Ganun po ka-importante ang pagnig na ito.
[1:04:57] Kaya huwag kayong magtaka.
[1:04:59] Atty. Baligod, huwag kang magtataka rin kung ang pagnanakaw ay napunta na sa iba't ibang bagi pa.
[1:05:06] Malalaman mo naman, ninakaw na nga yung karapatan namin sa magano rito.
[1:05:11] Akala nila siguro hindi kami papasok sa araw nito at maniniwala kami sa kanilang ginawa.
[1:05:18] Hindi po, hindi po totoo lahat yun.
[1:05:21] Alam naman ninyo, kagaya sa ombudsman at saka kasama nila sa once, sila ang promotor ng bendalo.
[1:05:31] Hindi ba?
[1:05:32] Nakakalimutan nyo na ba yun?
[1:05:34] At sinangayunan nga yun ang pinuno ng ombudsman.
[1:05:37] Alam na ninyo ito?
[1:05:38] Kung sila mismo ang promotor ng bendalo, kaya-kaya nilang gawin lahat ito.
[1:05:44] Pero ulitin po namin, kahit sila po sana ang manguna dito sa pagdinig na ito, wala po kaming problema.
[1:05:52] Kung nagkakaisa lamang po kami sa kagustuhan ng mamayan, napapanagutin po natin ang lahat nagkasa.
[1:06:01] Kahit sila po yung chairman, walang problema.
[1:06:04] Kailang ako na lang po ang nagsasabi sa kanila isa-isa,
[1:06:07] na tulungan nyo ako, pagtulungan natin na maayos natin ang problema nito dahil naghihintay ang taong bayan.
[1:06:14] Hindi po ba yun ang mabuting parang?
[1:06:16] Bakit tayo nilang magsama?
[1:06:18] At ngayon, ginagawa nila lahat ang kaya nilang gawin.
[1:06:22] Huwag lang matuloy sa salita ng bawat isa sa inyo.
[1:06:25] Pero itutuloy po natin.
[1:06:29] At Tony Baligod, yung tinatanong ko sa iyo is,
[1:06:34] please mo kung paano sanggaling ang mga dakilang mga sundalong ito,
[1:06:39] papano nila nagawa ang sinumpang salaysay,
[1:06:43] kanino sila nagtrabaho,
[1:06:45] at papano sila nagkaroon ng ganitong impormasyon
[1:06:47] para maglahad sila ngayon sa umagang ito sa harap ng komite.
[1:06:53] Salamat po, Senator Marcoleta.
[1:06:57] Halos ang buong buwan sa noon ay nanonood sa Senate Blue Ribbon Committee Hearing
[1:07:04] na kung saan si retired sergeant Orly Gutesa ay nagbigay ng kanyang testimonya.
[1:07:13] At pati itong mga dati niyang kasamahan at ako,
[1:07:17] ay nalaman namin kung ano ang naging trato sa kanya.
[1:07:23] At hanggang sa tuluyang nawala si Orly Gutesa.
[1:07:28] At sinubukan po, sinubukan ko po alamin kung ano ba talaga ang nangyari kay Sergeant Gutesa.
[1:07:36] At salamat naman sa impormasyon ng ilang mga kaibigan natin sa Armed Forces of the Philippines
[1:07:41] na napagkwento kung ano ba talaga.
[1:07:45] So ako po ay nag-isip na totoo kaya ang sinasabi ni Sergeant Gutesa.
[1:07:55] At doon po nagsimula na hanapin ko ang mga kasamahan niya.
[1:08:01] At meron akong kaibigan po na kaibigan niya yung dating pinakamataas
[1:08:07] sa security detail ni Congressman Saldico
[1:08:12] na si General Jeff Sodusta at saka si Colonel William Dominguez.
[1:08:21] At nakausap ko po si Colonel Dominguez.
[1:08:25] At pinaunlak naman niya ako na makausap ang apat sa kanila.
[1:08:34] Pero pagkatapos po ng pag-up na yun,
[1:08:38] ay napansin ko na iba ang body language ni Colonel Dominguez.
[1:08:44] At tayo pong mga litigator ay nakakabasa ng body language.
[1:08:49] Kaya noong nagpumunta sa comfort room ang isa sa kanila,
[1:08:55] ay sinundan ko at doon ko kinausap na kung may kailangan ka,
[1:09:01] kontakin mo ako, binigay ko yung number ko.
[1:09:04] At totoo nga po, no?
[1:09:05] After three days ay nakausap ko sila ulit
[1:09:08] at ipinakita sa akin yung text message ni Colonel Dominguez
[1:09:13] na dinibiscourage ang mga ito, nakausapin ulit ako.
[1:09:18] Mr. Chairman, may I ask Tony, active yan?
[1:09:21] Retired na po sila.
[1:09:23] Retired na.
[1:09:24] Pati si General Sodusta.
[1:09:26] Yes.
[1:09:26] Maybe we'll get the names later on, Mr. Chairman,
[1:09:29] at kung pwede next year, imbitayin natin sila.
[1:09:31] As nasabi pa rato ni Senator Laxon,
[1:09:34] sundan natin yung ebidensya.
[1:09:36] Diba?
[1:09:36] So as the names are mentioned, may I ask the Secretary to take note
[1:09:41] and then maybe any member can manifest, Chairman,
[1:09:44] kung sino dapat maimbitay later on.
[1:09:46] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[1:09:49] So nung kumontak po nga ang isa akin,
[1:09:52] ang sinabi niya ay dinidiscourage sila
[1:09:55] ni Retired Colonel Dominguez.
[1:09:58] Nakausapin ulit ako.
[1:10:00] Pero nararamdaman ko sa kanila.
[1:10:04] Hindi bali na yun.
[1:10:05] Hindi lang na-discourage.
[1:10:06] Ang totoo niya, nakagawa sila ng pinagsamang salaysay.
[1:10:10] Ito ay pinasalamatan sa inyo nga buong sambayanan
[1:10:14] at naging matapang kayo para magsiwalat kayo
[1:10:17] sa nalalaman ninyo.
[1:10:18] Ang gusto ko lamang talagang tindigan ninyo,
[1:10:21] lahat ng sinabi nyo rito,
[1:10:23] lahat ng nakasulat dito,
[1:10:25] ay kaya ninyong tindigan
[1:10:26] at maaari po kayong makagawa
[1:10:28] ng detalyadong pagsasalaysay kung kinakailangan.
[1:10:32] Sapagkat nabasa ko yung ibang bahagi ito,
[1:10:36] medyo may pagka-general ang approach.
[1:10:38] Katulad halimbawa nung sinasabi nyo rito na
[1:10:42] may mga maleta ding na ibigay sa mga miyembro ng media.
[1:10:47] Wala kayong binagit dito,
[1:10:49] pero inaasahan ko na i-detail ninyo
[1:10:52] kung sino-sino ang nabig ng maleta
[1:10:54] sa panig ng ating mass media.
[1:10:57] Napaka-sama po kasi ang magiging resulta,
[1:11:03] lalong-lalo na kung totoo nga sa pumagitan ninyo
[1:11:06] ang ni-establish natin talaga,
[1:11:08] kung totoo lahat ito,
[1:11:11] saan naman kayo nakakita
[1:11:12] ang antaong bayan na nagdidipende.
[1:11:15] The credibility of the gentlemen in front of us
[1:12:04] will be tested.
[1:12:05] So dun siya nagsasabing hindi totoo ang kanila sabi,
[1:12:08] pumunta na po kayo dito ngayon.
[1:12:10] Hihintayin namin kayo.
[1:12:12] Para pagataos nila magsalita,
[1:12:15] mateting natin, masubukan natin,
[1:12:17] ma-cross-examine natin.
[1:12:19] Then the Filipino people will know
[1:12:21] who is telling the truth.
[1:12:23] Thank you very much, Madam Chair.
[1:12:25] Let me just acknowledge the presence
[1:12:27] of Senator Dante Marcoleta,
[1:12:30] who is our subcommittee chair.
[1:12:31] I will acknowledge him.
[1:12:32] I am acknowledging him,
[1:12:34] but I'll turn over the door to him in a minute,
[1:12:35] Senator Amy Marcos,
[1:12:37] and Senator Robin Padilla.
[1:12:39] So, everyone, I have here my letter.
[1:12:43] This is signed.
[1:12:45] I signed this officially on June 2,
[1:12:47] but I informed him a week before that
[1:12:50] that as the chairman of the Blue Ribbon Committee,
[1:12:55] I designate Senator Marcoleta
[1:12:58] as the chairperson of the subcommittee
[1:12:59] authorized to pack a muto-proper inquiry
[1:13:02] in aid of legislation
[1:13:03] on the Philippine underwater privilege speech
[1:13:07] of Senator Laxon,
[1:13:08] flooded gates of corruption,
[1:13:09] flooded gates of hell, etc., etc.
[1:13:11] And I will just read to you
[1:13:14] Section 20 of the Senate Rules of Procedure
[1:13:16] Governing Inquiries in Aid of Legislation,
[1:13:18] which provides Section 20 subcommittees,
[1:13:21] delegation of authority.
[1:13:23] The chairman of a committee
[1:13:24] may create subcommittees
[1:13:25] as may be deemed necessary
[1:13:27] for the purpose of performing
[1:13:28] any and all acts
[1:13:30] which the committee as a whole
[1:13:31] is authorized to do and perform.
[1:13:35] So, it's very clear in our rules.
[1:13:51] Hindi na ito dinidebate
[1:13:52] kung gusto lang naman
[1:13:53] ng mga tao na maliwanag.
[1:13:55] So, on that note,
[1:13:56] I will move to the side
[1:13:58] so Chairman Dante can take over
[1:14:01] and then I will also be
[1:14:03] in a taxation hearing later
[1:14:05] that I will be able to stay for a while.
[1:14:06] Thank you.
[1:14:08] Thank you.
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[2:58:40] Thank you, Mr. Chair. I just want to make a record that I appreciate the efforts of DOJ, the Office of the Ombudsman, and the NBI, especially the last thing that said by Prosecutor General Fadulion.
[2:58:54] There is a certain liberality that I'm trying to use and yet, I'm trying to make a better decision so that the result is to get the truth.
[2:59:07] And I hope everyone around the table, and even those who are not on the table, will appreciate the effort of that. Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[2:59:16] Thank you. Just a quick question, Mr. Linan.
[2:59:19] As our representative of the Ombudsman said, they are willing to make individual affidavits because they are omnibus affidavits.
[2:59:29] That's what we also said by our director. Individual affidavits, I think it's not possible for 18 to receive one affidavit.
[2:59:37] Can we get the sense of the Prosecutor General? How do you treat, as a general rule, how do you treat an omnibus affidavit of 15, 20, maybe 40 people? I don't know. Go ahead.
[2:59:52] Mr. Chair, if a joint affidavit is submitted to the Department of Justice, and this joint affidavit is signed by, let's say, 10 or 18 people for that matter,
[3:00:03] Kapag hindi wala pong qualification dun sa affidavit, dun sa salaysay, na ito po ay was participated in by this particular individual,
[3:00:15] it would appear, as far as the reader is concerned, that lahat po sila na nakapirma dun, lahat sila may personal na kaalaman dun sa mga nakasalaysay dun.
[3:00:25] Kaya sinasabi lagi po namin, kung magjo-joint affidavit, tiyakin ninyo na lahat po nang nakasaad yan, ay meron kayong personal na kaalaman.
[3:00:34] Kung wala naman po, pwede po silang magkaroon ng qualification dun mismo sa joint affidavit.
[3:00:39] Nasabihin, patungkol po dito sa pangyayaring to, tanging itong mga tao lamang na ito ang merong kabahagi or naging bahagi.
[3:00:48] Pero if there is no such qualification, then I would have to concede to the strategy being undertaken by the NBI as well as the Ombudsman,
[3:00:59] that it's better to really have individual affidavits because it's also a way of trying to compare and test the credibility of these witnesses.
[3:01:11] Kapag, again, yung sinabi po kanina, Supreme Court has already decided in a host of cases that when affidavits perfectly or the allegations or statements perfectly dovetail,
[3:01:23] ibig sabihin, pag tinignan nyo, parang talagang pattern talaga siya, inakadudaduda po yung ganon.
[3:01:32] Mas maigi po yung merong konting inconsistency because it gives badges of truth to it.
[3:01:38] Rather than if it perfectly dovetails and then it says practically the same thing, then there is something questionable about that.
[3:01:46] Mr. Chair, quickly before we do indulgence.
[3:01:49] Actually, after Senator Rafi, it's your turn.
[3:01:54] Mr. Chair, let's prepare lang bago natin iwanan itong subject sa affidavit.
[3:02:00] Mr. Chair, siguro hindi hudaman sa Central Division Office ng Ombudsman,
[3:02:05] pero itong affidavit na lima ay nakakuha po ko from Deputy Ombudsman Nico Clabano and also si Director Matibag.
[3:02:15] Ang sakin ko kasi, Mr. Chair, iba po yung talagang pinirmahan.
[3:02:19] Pag pinirmahan ang affidavit, ibig sabihin, pag palagay na natin,
[3:02:25] isampung porsyento nga lang ang totoo doon, pero may magagamit pa rin hubo doon.
[3:02:30] Tanong ko lang kay Director Matibag.
[3:02:32] Doon sa sinasabi niyo, halimbawa, doon sa mga limang individual na pumirma, may matutukoy
[3:02:39] kasi ang gusto natin matuntun dito yung matunay na salarin eh.
[3:02:44] Kahit pa paano, kung mayroon silang personal knowledge,
[3:02:47] kung talagang yung kanilang isinalaysay, kahit pa 10% o 20%
[3:02:53] ay sa tingin niyo ba yung pwede magamit para matukoy yung mga tunay na salarin nito.
[3:02:58] Dahil baka pwede, sabi ko nga yung labing walong yun,
[3:03:01] maganda kung sabihin nila rito para maitayhi natin,
[3:03:05] para malaman natin at matuntun yung mga talagang may kagagawa nito.
[3:03:10] Sige, Director Matibag.
[3:03:13] Salamat po, Mr. Chair.
[3:03:15] Tama po yun, pero doon sa 10-20% na sinasabing totoo,
[3:03:19] yung participation nila sa driver, ganyan,
[3:03:22] hindi po ma-establish pa rin talaga kung nakita nilang actual na may pera ba talaga, may dala.
[3:03:28] I will cite an example.
[3:03:29] Yung isa po sa pumirma, si Hil Nabidad, yung isa sa mga labing walo.
[3:03:35] Tinanong siya, kasi may allegation siya doon, nakasama siya nag-deliver.
[3:03:39] Tinanong siya doon po sa one-on-one interview,
[3:03:41] sa pag-deliver po ng mga maleta,
[3:03:44] at wala, tanong,
[3:03:45] na maneho mo po ba lahat ng ito o may maneho pang iba?
[3:03:49] Kasi nagbigay po siya ng plate number.
[3:03:51] So sinabi niya, yun, doon yung totoo.
[3:03:53] Yung mga plate number, totoo yun.
[3:03:56] Tapos tinanong niya, sa pag-deliver po ng maleta na may lamang pera,
[3:04:00] anong maleta po ang personal na i-deliver ninyo?
[3:04:03] Very specific po yung tanong,
[3:04:05] ang personal na i-deliver ninyo.
[3:04:07] Ang sagot po niya, wala po.
[3:04:09] Tag-ahatid lamang po ako,
[3:04:12] at sila Mark Tixay at Paul Estrada po
[3:04:14] ang personal na nag-ahatid kung para kanina ang mga ito.
[3:04:17] So doon pa lang po, meron ng problema
[3:04:19] kasi may admission siya.
[3:04:21] Inalist niya doon sa pinakang joint up in a bit,
[3:04:25] na nag-deliver siya ng maleta.
[3:04:26] Nung tinanong na siya ng personal,
[3:04:28] ang sagot na niya, wala pala.
[3:04:30] Nag-drive lang siya.
[3:04:31] So paulit-ulit po, ganun yung nangyari.
[3:04:36] Alright, thank you.
[3:04:37] Quickly lang, balik po tayo sa Ombudsman.
[3:04:40] Para po sa mga isasagawang susunod po na pagdinig,
[3:04:46] ano po pong mga data o informasyon
[3:04:49] na kailangan po ibigay sa inyo ng Blue Ribbon
[3:04:52] para ikang titibay po ang inyong investigasyon?
[3:04:57] Do you need any more documents,
[3:05:01] pieces of evidence from the Blue Ribbon?
[3:05:04] O sapat na po yung naibigay po ng chairman's report sa inyo,
[3:05:08] sa Ombudsman,
[3:05:10] lahat po ba ng cases na kailangan po rin nyo?
[3:05:13] Kasi I believe naibigay na po ng dating chairman,
[3:05:16] Chairman Lacson, sa Ombudsman po yung kanyang report.
[3:05:20] Thank you, Your Honor.
[3:05:24] But the Office of the Ombudsman will always welcome po
[3:05:27] yung additional pieces of evidence
[3:05:29] and additional testimonies if ever meron po.
[3:05:33] Also yung mga COA reports po kung meron din
[3:05:37] na makukuha from the Senate Blue Ribbon Committee
[3:05:41] that would help a lot on our ongoing investigations.
[3:05:45] Pero kung the same issue pa rin po actually,
[3:05:49] what I mean to say, pag may lumutang ho dito,
[3:05:52] may akusasyon na naman sa isa doon sa mga senador
[3:05:55] na nasa pangalanan na po na isabit na po sa report,
[3:05:59] may dadagdag lang po na ebidensya
[3:06:01] or pareho pa rin po,
[3:06:04] pero ibang tao.
[3:06:06] You get nyo what I mean?
[3:06:08] Isang tao po inaakusahan,
[3:06:10] pero nakasama na po siya doon sa chairman's report,
[3:06:12] pero ibang tao naman ito nag-aakusa.
[3:06:14] Pero the same case naman po.
[3:06:16] I-entertainin pa rin po ninyo, di po ba yung ebidensya
[3:06:20] or kailangan nyo ng bagong ebidensya na naman
[3:06:23] because different person ito nag-a-allege po na nag-aakusa.
[3:06:28] Kung bagong complainant po yun, Your Honor,
[3:06:33] hindi naman po magbabago yung investigation namin.
[3:06:36] What the office usually do is parang kinokonsolidate namin yun
[3:06:40] dun sa naunang complaint against the same, say,
[3:06:44] lawmaker or senator or congressman.
[3:06:47] So ikokonsolidate lang namin yung another complaint
[3:06:50] coming from a different complainant.
[3:06:52] Pero yung mga pieces of evidence, yun din po yung magagamit po.
[3:06:57] Pero po pwede po ba na sabihin na lang na i-diretsyo na lang sa ombudsman?
[3:07:02] Kasi po, kung dito paulit-ulit na lang tayo,
[3:07:05] hindi na po matatapos ang trabaho po ng Blue Ribbon
[3:07:09] at nakasentro na lang ang investigasyon sa flood control,
[3:07:13] baka naman po pwede kung same individual yun,
[3:07:16] isumiti na lang po diretsyo sa ombudsman
[3:07:19] para naman po hindi po ikang redundant na.
[3:07:23] May investigasyon ko yung ongoing sa isang tao na ito.
[3:07:26] Kunwari si Person A, may darating na naman na inakosan si Person A.
[3:07:31] The same anomaly.
[3:07:33] Yung nga lang, may bagong tao na magsabihin na nagpaparatang.
[3:07:37] Pwede po ba yung kanyang statements?
[3:07:40] Diretsyo na lang po sa ombudsman
[3:07:42] rather than i-imbestigahan na naman po dito
[3:07:44] kasi hindi na po tayo matatapos.
[3:07:46] Marami po pong problema ang ating bahay na kailangan si Lipin.
[3:07:48] Ibaka redundant na po. Ano ang masasabi niyan?
[3:07:53] Your Honor, the Office of the Ombudsman,
[3:07:56] hindi naman yan, never naman niya nag-refuse to accept documents submitted to it.
[3:08:01] So kung isasabit po siya sa amin diretsyo,
[3:08:04] we will always welcome it.
[3:08:06] Kung isasabit naman po siya sa Senate Blue Ribbon Committee,
[3:08:09] you can always endorse it to us.
[3:08:11] Alright, thank you.
[3:08:12] Senator Rafi?
[3:08:13] Yeah.
[3:08:14] Ma'am Karen,
[3:08:18] nabanggit nga kanina ni Attorney Matibag ng NBI,
[3:08:21] karamihan dun sa labing walo na mga tawag kong kargador, tawag nila bodyguards,
[3:08:27] na paiba-iba ang statements, hindi tumatay-tay ng maayos.
[3:08:32] Now, having said that,
[3:08:35] siyempre gusto natin yung salarin talagang makasuhan at managot
[3:08:40] kung sino man yung mga talagang tumanggap ng pera.
[3:08:43] How would you appreciate that complaints being forwarded to your office
[3:08:48] na yung affidavit ay paiba-iba tulad niyan sa labing walong kargador?
[3:08:55] Eh gusto talaga natin madiin yung dapat madiin.
[3:08:57] Meron talagang tumanggap kung meron.
[3:08:59] Pero tulang binanggit ni Attorney Matibag, paiba-iba yung statement nila.
[3:09:04] Tulak atras, tulak atras.
[3:09:08] At wala talagang definite na sila mismo ang nag-deliver,
[3:09:14] sila mismo eyewitness at may mga dokumento, mayroong screenshot,
[3:09:19] may recorded conversation, et cetera.
[3:09:21] Para nothing like that, kundi hearsay lamang.
[3:09:24] So, paano atake niya ng ombudsman para maging tight yung case
[3:09:30] against anybody na talagang tumanggap ng pera?
[3:09:33] Your Honor, that's why the Office of the Ombudsman required an individual complaint affidavit
[3:09:41] to verify po yung personal knowledge talaga ng bawat isa dun sa mga nag-submit ng affidavit.
[3:09:49] So, the Office requires nga po na personal knowledge
[3:09:52] para upon evaluation, ma-check namin agad kung this can stand yung preliminary investigation
[3:10:00] or pwede namin siyang i-refer for further packfinding.
[3:10:03] Unfortunately, kasi pag i-refer mo siya sa packfinding,
[3:10:06] dapat po talaga may verifiable leads at hindi kami magkakandak lang ng fishing expedition.
[3:10:12] Okay.
[3:10:13] Yung sinasabi nitong labing walo na sila talaga nag-deliver ng pera
[3:10:18] at walang ebedensya kung talagang pera yung laman ng maleta
[3:10:21] at hindi naman sila mismo ang nagbilang ng pera
[3:10:24] at walang matibay na ebedensya na meron silang pinag-deliver ng tao
[3:10:28] kung sino man yung tao
[3:10:29] although we really need to know kung sino talaga
[3:10:31] at dapat managot.
[3:10:32] Ang dapat managot, I've been saying that's all along.
[3:10:34] So, paano ang magiging appreciation niya dun sa affidavit ng taong dun sa labing walo?
[3:10:43] Your Honor, kung matanggap na namin halimbawa yung kanilang individual affidavit,
[3:10:48] yung mag-submit na sila,
[3:10:50] siguro po ang magiging ano namin is like I've said,
[3:10:53] kung it can withstand po yung ano ng preliminary investigation
[3:10:57] kasi nga po meron na kaming bagong
[3:11:03] when it comes to conduct a preliminary investigation,
[3:11:06] prima pache with reasonable certainty of conviction din po.
[3:11:12] So, kapag ang isang tao nag-issue ng affidavit
[3:11:16] na nagpaiba-iba na ng statement
[3:11:20] at lumilitaw na wala pala siyang first-hand information
[3:11:23] kung hindi nakuha lang niya,
[3:11:25] o napasa lang niya sa kanya, yung information niya.
[3:11:27] So, doon pa lamang magkakaroon na ng problema sa credibility
[3:11:32] yung nag-issue ng affidavit niya.
[3:11:35] Sam Bolzman.
[3:11:36] Your Honor, kasi nga po lahat ng mga complaints,
[3:11:40] nag-undergo yan ng evaluation.
[3:11:42] So, yung mga nag-i-evaluate po sa amin
[3:11:44] are lawyer evaluators.
[3:11:45] And then, yung evaluation recommendation nila
[3:11:48] is subject to review and approval of our officials.
[3:11:51] So, based on, I do not have any personal knowledge
[3:11:55] when it comes to the affidavit ng Marines,
[3:11:59] but I signed the notice address to Atty. Baligod.
[3:12:04] That's why yun lang po yung binasa ko siyempre yung notice.
[3:12:07] So, ang kalagay po dun sa notice nga,
[3:12:09] dahil nga po, hindi siya,
[3:12:11] it cannot be considered na personal knowledge
[3:12:14] na meron sila bawat isa dun sa 18 personnel na yun
[3:12:19] or people na yun.
[3:12:20] Okay. Last na lamang.
[3:12:22] On any other case,
[3:12:24] kahit na hindi dito sa 18,
[3:12:27] merong nag-submit ng complaint sa inyo
[3:12:31] with affidavit.
[3:12:32] Paano yun po approach yun?
[3:12:36] Once na na-receive nyo po yung isang affidavit
[3:12:39] against anybody?
[3:12:41] Your Honor, the usual process...
[3:12:44] Ano yung mga hinahanap nyo
[3:12:46] dun sa nag-submit ng affidavit?
[3:12:48] Pag nag-submit po yun ng affidavit
[3:12:51] or ng complaint affidavit sa amin, Your Honor,
[3:12:53] dumadaan po muna yan sa verification
[3:12:56] to see kung meron siyang similar or earlier complaint na.
[3:13:00] So, as na hindi siya mag-doble-doble.
[3:13:03] So, pag na-verify, say wala siyang existing complaint
[3:13:06] or previous complaint, similar complaint
[3:13:08] sa Office of the Ombudsman,
[3:13:10] it will undergo evaluation.
[3:13:12] Okay.
[3:13:13] Doon sa evaluation,
[3:13:14] mag-ahanap ba kayo ng pieces of evidence,
[3:13:18] hard evidence,
[3:13:19] to corroborate doon sa sinasabi niya
[3:13:22] sa kanyang complaint affidavit?
[3:13:25] Pwede pong ganon, Your Honor,
[3:13:26] kasi one of the recommendations
[3:13:28] na pwedeng gawin ng lawyer evaluator
[3:13:30] is to dismiss it outright
[3:13:32] kung makita nyo na frivolous lang yung mga complaint.
[3:13:35] So, in other words,
[3:13:38] mag-ahanap kayo ng ebidensya,
[3:13:41] like I said earlier,
[3:13:42] na mag-corroborate doon sa sinasabing
[3:13:44] sa affidavit
[3:13:45] kasi kung hindi frivolous ngayon,
[3:13:46] sabi mo.
[3:13:47] Initial evaluation pa lang po yun,
[3:13:50] Your Honor,
[3:13:51] pero still,
[3:13:52] ine-evaluate po namin siya
[3:13:53] kung yung sinasabi niya sa affidavit
[3:13:55] is supported by evidence.
[3:13:57] Okay, last na lamang talaga.
[3:13:59] So, base po na sa mga narinig natin ngayon
[3:14:01] lahat doon sa sinabi ni Director
[3:14:04] ng NBI na si Attorney Melvin Matibag,
[3:14:07] paano po madidescribe yung testimony
[3:14:12] o itong pinagsasabihin
[3:14:15] itong labing walong kargador?
[3:14:18] Your Honor,
[3:14:19] hindi ko po siguro pwedeng sagutin yan
[3:14:21] because I did not evaluate that affidavit.
[3:14:24] Okay, I understand.
[3:14:25] Maraming salamat, Mr. Chair.
[3:14:26] Follow-up question, Mr. Chair.
[3:14:28] Go ahead, Senator.
[3:14:30] Just a quick question kay Director Matibag.
[3:14:34] In-interview ba ninyo
[3:14:35] at kinuha yung affidavit
[3:14:37] ni Attorney Baligod?
[3:14:38] Yung pong 18 Marines po,
[3:14:41] ka-18 kargador,
[3:14:44] in-interview po namin isa-isa.
[3:14:46] Si Attorney Baligod?
[3:14:47] Hindi po kasi hindi naman po siya
[3:14:49] subject.
[3:14:50] Actually, gusto namin siya
[3:14:52] interviewin siya,
[3:14:53] si Mike Defensor.
[3:14:54] Ayaw nila eh.
[3:14:55] Wala po kasi kaming content power
[3:14:58] or to force them.
[3:14:59] Kung namonitor nyo yung hearing dito
[3:15:01] o yung bogus na hearing,
[3:15:03] siya ang nagpapaliwanag.
[3:15:05] Tama po.
[3:15:06] Siya yung nagsasalita
[3:15:07] on behalf of the...
[3:15:08] Opo.
[3:15:09] Di ba?
[3:15:10] Tama po.
[3:15:11] Nagtataka nga po ako kasi...
[3:15:12] So, sa ganun ba,
[3:15:13] pag siya ang nagpapaliwanag,
[3:15:14] ano yun?
[3:15:15] Hearsay?
[3:15:16] Well, ang nangyari na nga po niyan,
[3:15:18] it validates and strengthen the findings of NBI
[3:15:22] na mukhang kinotes na tinuro.
[3:15:24] Kasi ganito po yan,
[3:15:25] in-approach niya yung labing walo.
[3:15:27] Actually, 26 nga po nung una yan,
[3:15:29] naging labing walo.
[3:15:30] Tapos, in-house niya
[3:15:32] mula November hanggang February
[3:15:34] at siya po yung nagsulat
[3:15:36] nung joint affidavit.
[3:15:37] At tama po, Mr. Chairman,
[3:15:40] nagtataka nga ako,
[3:15:41] medyo marami-rami na rin po nga
[3:15:43] kung na-attend naman na committee hearing
[3:15:45] na kung saan ang abogado
[3:15:47] sa likod pinapopo
[3:15:48] at bihirang-bihirang pagsalitain,
[3:15:50] yun po yung ipinagtataka ko
[3:15:51] bakit si Atty. Balikod
[3:15:53] ang nagsasalita.
[3:15:55] Baka mas mabuti po,
[3:15:56] para sa akin,
[3:15:57] gumawa na rin po siya
[3:15:58] ng sarili niyang affidavit
[3:16:00] at siya na po mismo magreklamo
[3:16:01] base sa kanyang mahan na rin.
[3:16:03] Yun lang ang tanong ko actually
[3:16:04] kasi nga
[3:16:05] yun nakita ko,
[3:16:06] siya mismo ang,
[3:16:07] and you're right,
[3:16:08] and for the record,
[3:16:09] it's a violation of our rules
[3:16:11] in Senate proceedings
[3:16:14] when a lawyer speaks
[3:16:16] and deliberates
[3:16:19] on the,
[3:16:20] and represents,
[3:16:21] not representing
[3:16:23] the resource persons.
[3:16:25] So doong maliwanag na,
[3:16:27] hindi dapat nagsasalita yung abogado,
[3:16:29] dapat yung resource persons mismo ang nagsasalita.
[3:16:32] And for the record,
[3:16:33] we just wanted that clarified.
[3:16:36] Thank you,
[3:16:37] Senator Kiko.
[3:16:38] Is it just one quick?
[3:16:40] Kasi we'll just have to give the floor to individuals who want to ask questions.
[3:16:45] Go ahead.
[3:16:46] Isang follow-up question po.
[3:16:47] Isang follow-up question po.
[3:16:49] Salamat,
[3:16:50] Mr. Chair.
[3:16:51] Go ahead.
[3:16:52] Follow-up question
[3:16:53] kay Sen Rafi
[3:16:54] kanina sa ombudsman.
[3:16:56] Sa NBI naman po,
[3:16:57] meron po bang mapupoint out ang bureau
[3:17:00] na inconsistencies
[3:17:02] sa pagitan ng joint affidavit
[3:17:04] at yung limang individual affidavits
[3:17:06] na pinirmahan
[3:17:07] o sa pagitan ng limang individual affidavits
[3:17:11] any inconsistencies po?
[3:17:13] Yun na nga po.
[3:17:14] Nagbigay na ko ng example mismo
[3:17:16] nung tinanong si Nabidad
[3:17:18] at isasabit po namin ito
[3:17:20] itong mga aming interview.
[3:17:22] Tinanong siya kung nag-deliver siya ng maleta.
[3:17:24] May deliver ba siyang maleta?
[3:17:26] Wala.
[3:17:27] Pero doon sa kanilang mga joint affidavit
[3:17:29] may sinasabi.
[3:17:30] Mr. Chair, actually,
[3:17:32] not only the affidavit
[3:17:33] na sinabit sa ombudsman
[3:17:34] yung pinagbasihan namin,
[3:17:36] nakita rin po namin
[3:17:37] yung mga lumabas
[3:17:38] sa social media
[3:17:39] na unang affidavit.
[3:17:41] At saka po yung testimonya
[3:17:42] nung nakaraan dito
[3:17:43] at nakita na po namin
[3:17:45] yung mga inconsistencies.
[3:17:46] In fact,
[3:17:47] gumawa po kami ng
[3:17:48] parang diagram dyan.
[3:17:50] Nakalagay na po dyan
[3:17:51] ito yung affidavit dito
[3:17:52] ito yung lumabas
[3:17:53] at ano yung inconsistencies
[3:17:55] that will be part of our submission
[3:17:57] to the committee, Mr. Chair.
[3:17:58] Alright, thank you.
[3:17:59] Salamat, Mr. Chair.
[3:18:00] Thank you.
[3:18:01] Director of the NBI, maraming salamat.
[3:18:04] Committee Secretary,
[3:18:06] are you here?
[3:18:07] Can you put this on record
[3:18:09] and then send someone
[3:18:11] from the Blue Ribbon Committee
[3:18:14] to go upstairs
[3:18:16] to office po ni Senator Robin Padilla
[3:18:19] para to inquire
[3:18:21] the good senator
[3:18:23] kung sasamahan niya ba
[3:18:25] yung 18 bodyguards
[3:18:27] dito sa Blue Ribbon hearing.
[3:18:30] Yes, just to put on record
[3:18:31] para ika nga,
[3:18:32] mas maayos po
[3:18:33] dahil while we're conducting
[3:18:35] this hearing
[3:18:36] ongoing din po yung
[3:18:37] kanilang press conference
[3:18:38] po doon sa taas.
[3:18:40] So, might as well,
[3:18:41] mabuti ho,
[3:18:42] bumaba na lang po sila dito
[3:18:43] para ika nga,
[3:18:44] may lahat nila yung gusto
[3:18:45] nilang sabihin,
[3:18:46] matanong po natin sila maayos.
[3:18:48] Unlike po dito na
[3:18:49] puro press conference po sila.
[3:18:51] So, committee secretary,
[3:18:53] I'm directing you to send one of your staff
[3:18:56] or your personnel
[3:18:57] to invite or to ask
[3:18:59] Senator Robin Padilla,
[3:19:00] inquire if they're still interested
[3:19:02] coming down here
[3:19:03] sa Blue Ribbon hearing po natin.
[3:19:06] para malinaw po on record lahat.
[3:19:09] Hindi po yung bisita po natin
[3:19:11] ni Senator Robin Padilla
[3:19:12] yung labing walong bodyguard na yun
[3:19:15] at si Attorney Baligod
[3:19:17] at nagbibigay na sa fifth floor,
[3:19:19] nagbibigay po ng press conference.
[3:19:21] Ang nagtatanong lamang po ang media
[3:19:23] and nandito po tayo lahat.
[3:19:24] Gusto po natin silang matanong
[3:19:26] at marinig.
[3:19:27] Ito po siguro ang tamang venue
[3:19:29] na ika nga magpahayag sila,
[3:19:32] hindi po sa isang media conference.
[3:19:34] So, committee secretary,
[3:19:36] go ahead and send someone
[3:19:37] to the office of Senator Robin.
[3:19:40] Okay, let's move on.
[3:19:42] Yung order of arrival po
[3:19:44] ng line of questioning
[3:19:45] Senator JV,
[3:19:46] Senator Baum,
[3:19:48] and Senator JV,
[3:19:51] Senator Baum,
[3:19:52] Senator Risa,
[3:19:53] Senator Soto.
[3:19:56] But before that,
[3:19:58] may tatanong po yata
[3:19:59] si Senate Pro Tempore Gatchelian.
[3:20:03] Maraming salamat,
[3:20:04] Mr. Chairman.
[3:20:05] This is directed to
[3:20:07] Attorney Matibag,
[3:20:09] Director of the NBI.
[3:20:11] Meron kayong mga
[3:20:13] nasabi sa media
[3:20:15] na merong informant.
[3:20:16] Actually, tutuloy ko lang po yung
[3:20:18] tanong ni Senator Rafi
[3:20:21] na meron kayong informant
[3:20:23] na nagsabi na
[3:20:25] si Mike Defensor ay nag-offer ng
[3:20:27] 5 million pesos dito sa 18 bodyguards.
[3:20:31] Can you give us a narration of that?
[3:20:35] And base sa inyong statement,
[3:20:37] meron rin sinumpaang salay sa ito.
[3:20:42] Meron po kasi kaming,
[3:20:43] sa NBI po,
[3:20:44] we function na meron pong mga
[3:20:46] tinatawag kaming ala power assets
[3:20:48] na nag-gather po ng mga intelligence
[3:20:51] support yan.
[3:20:52] So,
[3:20:53] he came across dito po sa parang,
[3:20:55] hindi po son-in-law talaga
[3:20:57] but he is a partner of the daughter
[3:20:59] nung isa sa mga
[3:21:01] sa 18 bodyguards.
[3:21:04] I think,
[3:21:05] siguro,
[3:21:06] for
[3:21:07] purposes na
[3:21:08] mas malinaw,
[3:21:10] pwede ko na rin siguro
[3:21:11] bangitin yung pangalan.
[3:21:12] Tutal,
[3:21:13] napadala naman naman na siya ng
[3:21:14] nasabi.
[3:21:15] Actually, tatanong ko nga,
[3:21:16] ano yung pangalan niya?
[3:21:17] Si Anselmo Taberdo po,
[3:21:19] yung isa sa Marines,
[3:21:20] na may anak siya
[3:21:22] at partner niya po itong
[3:21:24] nakausap ng ating mga ahente
[3:21:27] at nagpahayag po siya ng malayang pahayag,
[3:21:30] recorded din po ito,
[3:21:31] noong April 28.
[3:21:33] And I will also submit na
[3:21:34] yung pong parang salaysay niya,
[3:21:38] na kanyang pinirmahan,
[3:21:39] malayang pinirmahan,
[3:21:41] na ang sinasabi po rito sa salaysay
[3:21:43] na itong si Anselmo Taberdo
[3:21:46] ay isa sa mga dun sa labing walo
[3:21:49] na in-approach
[3:21:50] ng grupo ni Mike Defensor
[3:21:51] at pinangakuan
[3:21:53] ng limang milyong piso
[3:21:54] kapalit ng pagsasalita.
[3:21:56] Ang sinabi,
[3:21:57] malino pa nga po,
[3:21:58] sinabi,
[3:21:59] mag-aapir sa media
[3:22:00] at magkakaroon ng testimonya.
[3:22:03] So,
[3:22:04] dun po ang pangako,
[3:22:06] limang milyon,
[3:22:07] at kaya po pinabanggit niya ito,
[3:22:08] personal sa kanya,
[3:22:09] sinabi niya
[3:22:10] na silang magka-partner,
[3:22:11] may anak po silang isa,
[3:22:13] ay pinangakuan ng
[3:22:14] 500,000
[3:22:15] para makapagnegosyo sila.
[3:22:17] So,
[3:22:18] ngayon,
[3:22:19] nung tinatanong yung 500,000,
[3:22:20] dun po na ikwento na
[3:22:22] ang naibibigay pa lang daw
[3:22:24] ay 700,000
[3:22:25] pero eventually,
[3:22:26] bumalik po siya
[3:22:28] nung May 6
[3:22:29] sa aming pong tanggapan
[3:22:31] para magdagdag pa
[3:22:32] ng kanyang testimonya
[3:22:33] at nilinaw niya
[3:22:34] na hindi pa pala
[3:22:36] nabibigay talaga yung 700,000,
[3:22:37] 350,000 pa lang yung nabigay
[3:22:40] at utay-utay pa po itong naibigay.
[3:22:43] So,
[3:22:44] nung pong magkakaroon ng
[3:22:46] sila na nagpatawag dito
[3:22:48] nung June na
[3:22:49] yung parang pagdinig po nila rito,
[3:22:51] we contact itong persona ito
[3:22:54] to validate ulit
[3:22:55] at katunayan
[3:22:56] sinusurvelas
[3:22:57] at sinusundan ba rin naman po namin siya
[3:22:59] kasi nga po,
[3:23:00] kaibat nito,
[3:23:01] nagpadala na kami ng
[3:23:03] sabwina kay Mike Defensor
[3:23:05] at kung po kay Anselmo Taberdo
[3:23:07] para magbigay lino po
[3:23:09] dito sa testimonya
[3:23:10] nitong tao na ito.
[3:23:11] Yung po yung sinasabi natin,
[3:23:13] Mr. Chair,
[3:23:14] na lahat po
[3:23:15] ng papasok na ebidensya
[3:23:16] sa amin sa NBI
[3:23:17] ay binibigyang halaga namin
[3:23:18] at amin pong sinusundan.
[3:23:20] Director,
[3:23:22] itong,
[3:23:23] can you state the name
[3:23:24] of this informant?
[3:23:25] Is it possible
[3:23:26] sabihin yung kanyang pangalan?
[3:23:29] Well,
[3:23:30] ang pangalan po niya
[3:23:31] ay si Brent Ragazza.
[3:23:32] Siya ay 28 years old.
[3:23:35] Fred Ragazza.
[3:23:36] Opo.
[3:23:37] Brent.
[3:23:38] Brent po.
[3:23:40] And,
[3:23:42] pwede rin po ba siyang dalin dito
[3:23:44] para magbigay ng personal testimony?
[3:23:46] Yun po ang pinapavalidate namin
[3:23:47] kung,
[3:23:48] kasi tinatawag,
[3:23:49] ang huling pakikipag-usap po
[3:23:50] sa aming mga
[3:23:52] investigador,
[3:23:53] ay tinatawagan siya ngayon
[3:23:55] ito ni Anselmo,
[3:23:56] Anselmo Taberdo.
[3:23:57] Is he willing to come here
[3:23:59] to give his testimony?
[3:24:00] Iaalamin po namin,
[3:24:01] yung po itanong namin,
[3:24:02] dahil nung po siya ay
[3:24:04] kinuhuhan na namin ulit
[3:24:06] ng testimonya,
[3:24:07] eh mukhang sumasabay
[3:24:09] na tinatawagan siya
[3:24:10] bigla po nung grupo na lang.
[3:24:11] Ano ang motibo naman
[3:24:12] itong taong to?
[3:24:15] Gusto ko malaman
[3:24:16] bakit siya biglang
[3:24:17] nagbigay ng
[3:24:20] ganitong information
[3:24:21] considering na
[3:24:22] parang son-in-law siya.
[3:24:24] Tinitingnan po namin,
[3:24:25] base sa kwento niya,
[3:24:26] mukhang mayroon
[3:24:27] ng diferensya yung
[3:24:28] magka-partner
[3:24:29] at siya ngayon
[3:24:30] yung may dala doon
[3:24:31] sa anak niya.
[3:24:33] So parang may personal reason po
[3:24:34] na tungkol doon
[3:24:35] sa kanilang relasyon.
[3:24:36] At maaaring yung isang dahilan
[3:24:38] ay pinag-iisipan
[3:24:39] hindi dumating yung
[3:24:40] talagang pangako na
[3:24:41] 500,000
[3:24:42] bilang parte doon
[3:24:44] sa makukuha
[3:24:45] dapat na 5 milyong piso.
[3:24:46] Yung parang may
[3:24:48] because of that
[3:24:49] personal circumstance
[3:24:50] eh
[3:24:51] maaaring yun po
[3:24:52] nagsalita siya doon.
[3:24:53] Okay.
[3:24:54] And based on your
[3:24:55] analysis,
[3:24:56] itong informant ba
[3:24:57] is a credible witness?
[3:25:01] Itong si Ragasa,
[3:25:02] si Mr. Ragasa?
[3:25:03] Pag binalidate po
[3:25:04] yung kanyang personal
[3:25:05] circumstances
[3:25:06] at relationship,
[3:25:07] maaaring po talagang
[3:25:08] napagkwentuhan.
[3:25:09] Doon na nga po,
[3:25:10] Mr. Chair,
[3:25:11] pumapasok yung aming
[3:25:12] kagustuhan
[3:25:13] na ipatawag
[3:25:14] si Ansen Mataberdo
[3:25:15] at si Mike Defensor
[3:25:16] para po mas
[3:25:17] mabigyang linaw
[3:25:18] yung testimonyang
[3:25:19] ibinibigay po
[3:25:20] nitong tao na ito.
[3:25:23] Base ba doon
[3:25:24] sa information
[3:25:25] na consummate ba
[3:25:26] itong 5 milyon
[3:25:27] na ibigay ba?
[3:25:28] Hindi pa po.
[3:25:29] Lumalabas po
[3:25:30] sa huling statement.
[3:25:31] 350 pa lang po
[3:25:32] yung kabuhang natatanggap
[3:25:33] pero
[3:25:34] may mga
[3:25:35] kwinento pa po siya
[3:25:36] na
[3:25:37] siya ay
[3:25:38] yung mga lugar
[3:25:39] kaya po nagkaroon
[3:25:40] ng credibility
[3:25:41] sinunda namin.
[3:25:42] Yung mga lugar
[3:25:43] na binabanggit
[3:25:44] kung nasaan yung
[3:25:45] labing walo
[3:25:46] ay tumutugma po
[3:25:47] sa kanyang storya.
[3:25:48] And
[3:25:49] nasaan na itong taong to?
[3:25:50] Is he
[3:25:51] under NBI custody?
[3:25:53] Wala po
[3:25:54] sa aming custodya
[3:25:55] pero
[3:25:56] alam po namin
[3:25:57] kung saan siya
[3:25:58] nakatira.
[3:25:59] Dati po nasa tagig
[3:26:00] lumipat po ng tirahan
[3:26:01] minamanmanan po.
[3:26:02] Nakasurveillance po.
[3:26:03] And then
[3:26:04] gusto ko lang po rin
[3:26:05] matanong
[3:26:06] itong
[3:26:07] informant na ito.
[3:26:09] Nag
[3:26:11] nag
[3:26:12] nag
[3:26:13] appear personally
[3:26:14] sa NBI?
[3:26:15] Opo.
[3:26:16] Dalawang beses po.
[3:26:17] Katunayan
[3:26:18] nung isang beses
[3:26:19] nagpunta siya
[3:26:20] mayroon pang isang
[3:26:21] media personality
[3:26:22] na nakapang cover po
[3:26:23] sa kanya.
[3:26:24] At recorded po lahat
[3:26:25] ang kanya pong pagdalo
[3:26:26] sa NBI po.
[3:26:27] Pasabit na lang
[3:26:28] sa committee rin yung
[3:26:29] in confidence.
[3:26:30] It's a confidential
[3:26:31] matter.
[3:26:32] Yung
[3:26:33] pasubit na lang sa amin
[3:26:35] yung video
[3:26:36] as well as
[3:26:37] yung transcripts
[3:26:38] nung interview.
[3:26:39] We'll comply po,
[3:26:40] Mr. Chair.
[3:26:41] we can look at it.
[3:26:46] And then
[3:26:47] balikan ko lang kanina
[3:26:48] yung inyong presentation
[3:26:49] director.
[3:26:50] Based on your analysis,
[3:26:52] doon sa mga
[3:26:53] sinumpang salaysay nung
[3:26:55] 18 bodyguards,
[3:26:57] anong analysis nyo?
[3:26:59] Bottom line?
[3:27:00] Kasi nakita ko marami
[3:27:03] kayong standards
[3:27:04] na sinusundan
[3:27:05] and these are legal standards
[3:27:06] na ayon sa batas.
[3:27:07] But based on your analysis,
[3:27:09] ano ang itong kanilang
[3:27:11] mga sinumpaang salaysay?
[3:27:12] Ano ang inyong analysis dito?
[3:27:14] Well,
[3:27:16] unang-una po,
[3:27:17] yung pinagsamang sinumpaang
[3:27:19] salaysay nila
[3:27:20] na isinumiti sa ombudsman,
[3:27:22] meron marami pong kaduda-duda.
[3:27:24] Sabi ko nga,
[3:27:25] kung meron pong
[3:27:27] mga katotohanan doon
[3:27:28] at hindi ba si Syersey,
[3:27:29] mga 10 to 20 percent
[3:27:31] malaki na pong 20 percent
[3:27:32] at nung brinig doon
[3:27:33] pangunap ka po namin ito
[3:27:35] at tanungin isa-isa
[3:27:36] yung labing walo,
[3:27:37] eh lalo pong napagtiba
[3:27:38] yung aming pananaw
[3:27:41] na ito ay hindi namin
[3:27:43] maaaring magamit
[3:27:44] para magsampan ang kaso
[3:27:45] doon sa mga taong nabanggit.
[3:27:47] At ah,
[3:27:48] higit pa po dyan,
[3:27:49] lumalabas na talagang mukhang
[3:27:51] sinulat at ah,
[3:27:53] notes, corroborated
[3:27:56] po yung pagsusulat
[3:27:57] nitong pinagsamang sunumpang
[3:27:59] salaysay. In addition to
[3:28:01] distillingnan po namin yung mga
[3:28:03] pronouncements sa media, sa social media
[3:28:05] yung unang mga lumabas na
[3:28:07] pinagsamang sunumpang salaysay
[3:28:09] ay marami pong inconsistency
[3:28:11] masyado na magiging problema
[3:28:13] po pag amin pong inakyat
[3:28:15] sa prosecution at pati na rin po
[3:28:17] sa korte kung ito ay tatayo.
[3:28:21] And kung
[3:28:22] gano'n, meron bang
[3:28:25] violation of the law
[3:28:26] na ginawa itong mga
[3:28:28] taong ito?
[3:28:31] Meron silang sunumpang
[3:28:33] salaysay. Pumunta ba sila sa NBI
[3:28:35] to personally give
[3:28:37] the statement or
[3:28:39] meron ba silang personal narration sa NBI?
[3:28:41] Sinagpwina po namin sila,
[3:28:43] pumunta po sila. Yung una, ayaw nilang
[3:28:45] magbigay ng pahayag
[3:28:46] so binigyan po namin ng pangalawang
[3:28:49] pagkakataon. Kasama po sa sinagpwina
[3:28:51] dyan nga sila, yung
[3:28:52] mga may kinalaman, si Bishop
[3:28:54] Efren Tendero,
[3:28:56] si Mike Defensor,
[3:28:59] yung asawa po ni Mike Defensor,
[3:29:01] mga ilang personalities po.
[3:29:04] Pero, hindi po
[3:29:05] nagbigay ng testimonya yung iba.
[3:29:07] Nung bumalik po sila,
[3:29:09] Yung pong labing walo,
[3:29:11] nagbigay po ng testimonya nila,
[3:29:13] pero dun po sa labing walo,
[3:29:14] lima lamang po ang pumirma,
[3:29:16] Mr. Chair,
[3:29:17] yung labing tatlo po,
[3:29:18] pinigilan ni
[3:29:19] Atty. Balikod
[3:29:20] na pirmahan
[3:29:21] at gusto niya,
[3:29:22] ay kanya munang
[3:29:23] reviewin
[3:29:24] yung naging mga statement
[3:29:25] nung labing walo.
[3:29:27] Nagkaroon pa nga po
[3:29:27] ng isidente
[3:29:28] na gustong punitin
[3:29:29] ni Atty. Balikod
[3:29:31] yung mga testimonya
[3:29:33] nung mga labing walong
[3:29:35] bodyguards
[3:29:37] na hindi naman po
[3:29:38] natin pinayagan.
[3:29:39] Kaya meron po kaming hawak
[3:29:40] na limang
[3:29:41] yung interview po.
[3:29:43] Alam nyo po,
[3:29:43] yung parang blatter
[3:29:44] na question and answer,
[3:29:45] napirmahan po nung lima,
[3:29:47] yung labing tatlo,
[3:29:48] hindi na po pumirma.
[3:29:49] I would assume
[3:29:49] na kung
[3:29:50] buo yung loob mo
[3:29:52] magbigay ng testimonya,
[3:29:53] pupunta ka doon,
[3:29:54] magbigay ka testimonya,
[3:29:55] permahan mo.
[3:29:57] Tama po yan,
[3:29:58] Mr. Chair.
[3:29:58] How come there's
[3:29:59] mayroon pang commotion
[3:30:00] and drama na nangyari
[3:30:01] na may pupunitin
[3:30:02] at hindi pumirma lahat?
[3:30:04] Marahe pong drama
[3:30:05] nangyari.
[3:30:05] Yung unang patawag pa lang,
[3:30:06] ano po?
[3:30:07] Actually,
[3:30:07] yung unang patawag pa lang po,
[3:30:09] mas mahaba pa
[3:30:10] yung naging salita
[3:30:10] ni Mike Defensor
[3:30:11] at ang kanyang abogado
[3:30:13] sa media ng NBI
[3:30:14] kaysa po makipag-usap
[3:30:16] ng maayos
[3:30:16] sa aming mga investigador
[3:30:17] at illegally,
[3:30:20] binidio-capture nila
[3:30:21] yung pag-iimbestiga
[3:30:23] tapos inilabas nila
[3:30:24] sa media.
[3:30:25] So may mga behavior po
[3:30:26] na ganun,
[3:30:27] pero ang naging instruction po
[3:30:28] natin doon
[3:30:29] sa ating mga investigador
[3:30:30] is to exercise
[3:30:31] maximum tolerance
[3:30:32] kasi alam naman po natin
[3:30:34] parang politically
[3:30:36] high profile
[3:30:37] itong kaso na ito
[3:30:38] kaya atin pong iningatan
[3:30:39] hanggang suno
[3:30:40] nagbigay na po sila
[3:30:41] ng pahayag nila
[3:30:42] at ayaw naman pirmahan.
[3:30:43] Kaya ang hirap din pong gamitin.
[3:30:46] Tama po,
[3:30:47] pero meron din po
[3:30:48] kaming recording
[3:30:49] lahat po ng proceedings.
[3:30:50] Siningi namin
[3:30:51] ng kanilang consent
[3:30:52] na amin pong
[3:30:52] i-video record
[3:30:53] yung boom proceedings
[3:30:54] at meron po tayo noon.
[3:30:56] I-paki-submit na lang
[3:30:57] sa committee rin
[3:30:58] so that we can analyze
[3:31:00] and also the full transcript
[3:31:01] para rin
[3:31:03] mabasa namin
[3:31:05] at ma-analyze namin dito.
[3:31:07] Yes, Mr. Chairman.
[3:31:07] And my last question,
[3:31:08] Mr. Chairman,
[3:31:09] before I go
[3:31:09] to any round two,
[3:31:11] based on your analysis,
[3:31:12] kung lima lang
[3:31:13] ang pumerma
[3:31:14] base sa inyong
[3:31:15] testimonya ngayon,
[3:31:18] can we take
[3:31:19] the entire
[3:31:20] testimonies?
[3:31:24] Kasi sinabi nyo,
[3:31:26] 10%
[3:31:26] yung
[3:31:27] masasabing
[3:31:29] direct information,
[3:31:30] the 90%,
[3:31:31] hindi.
[3:31:31] So, ano ang analysis
[3:31:34] ng NBA
[3:31:36] on this entire
[3:31:37] testimony
[3:31:38] or testimonies?
[3:31:40] Ang mahirap po
[3:31:40] yung 10% na totoo,
[3:31:42] totoo naging empleyado.
[3:31:43] Alibaba po,
[3:31:44] yung totoo naging empleyado
[3:31:45] sila ni Saldico
[3:31:46] na tapos
[3:31:48] totoo po na
[3:31:49] sila
[3:31:49] na-assign
[3:31:51] kung kani-kanino.
[3:31:53] Totoo po na
[3:31:53] dating Marines
[3:31:54] yung iba.
[3:31:56] Yung po yung mga
[3:31:56] totoo roon,
[3:31:57] totoong kakilala nila
[3:31:58] siguro yung ibang tao.
[3:32:00] Pero yung mismo
[3:32:01] allegasyon na po,
[3:32:02] ng nangyaring krimen
[3:32:03] na nag-deliver
[3:32:03] sila ng pera
[3:32:04] directly,
[3:32:05] yun po dapat
[3:32:06] yung alam nila.
[3:32:07] Hindi po nila alam
[3:32:08] kung talagang yung
[3:32:09] laman ng maleta
[3:32:10] ay pera.
[3:32:11] Meron pa nga pong
[3:32:12] isa doon sa pumirma,
[3:32:13] yung sinabidad,
[3:32:13] binanggat ko po kanina.
[3:32:15] Tinanong siyang
[3:32:16] directa
[3:32:16] nung nag-iimbestiga
[3:32:17] kung ano yung
[3:32:19] diniliver niya
[3:32:19] maleta.
[3:32:20] Ang sagot niya,
[3:32:20] wala.
[3:32:21] Pero pag pinagsama-sama po
[3:32:22] yung pong
[3:32:23] pinagsamang salaysay,
[3:32:25] magmumukhang
[3:32:26] maganda yung istorya
[3:32:27] at paniniwalaan,
[3:32:29] pwedeng paniwalaan
[3:32:30] for purposes other than
[3:32:32] prosecuting
[3:32:33] or going after
[3:32:34] doon sa mga nagkamali,
[3:32:36] eh mukhang hindi po
[3:32:36] titindig.
[3:32:37] Binanggit nga po
[3:32:38] kanina ni P.J. Padulion
[3:32:40] na binaba na namin
[3:32:41] yung standard
[3:32:42] to probable cause.
[3:32:46] Eh hindi pa rin po
[3:32:46] lulusot eh.
[3:32:47] Hindi pa rin po
[3:32:48] papasok sa probable cause.
[3:32:50] Kasi gusto lang nga po
[3:32:51] namin makita
[3:32:51] na maimbestigahan
[3:32:52] yung mga binanggit
[3:32:54] na tao na gusto rin
[3:32:55] nila.
[3:32:55] Gusto rin po namin
[3:32:56] ipatawag.
[3:32:57] Ang problema po namin,
[3:32:58] Mr. Chair,
[3:32:59] pag ipinatawag namin
[3:33:00] base rin sa kanilang
[3:33:01] inilatag na
[3:33:03] Joint Copy David
[3:33:04] na yun,
[3:33:05] eh baka po mukhang
[3:33:05] nag-pipishing expedition
[3:33:07] kami at kami naman po
[3:33:08] ang papanagutin
[3:33:09] ng mga taong
[3:33:09] aming ipinapatawag po.
[3:33:11] Thank you, Mr. Chairman.
[3:33:13] Maraming salamat
[3:33:14] Acting
[3:33:15] Sir President Gatchilan.
[3:33:16] Senator JV,
[3:33:17] it's your turn.
[3:33:18] Thank you, Mr. Chair.
[3:33:19] Before we move on
[3:33:20] to another topic,
[3:33:22] siguro nabanggit
[3:33:23] kanina.
[3:33:24] I'd just like to ask
[3:33:25] probably the NBI
[3:33:26] or the OJ,
[3:33:28] are there efforts
[3:33:29] to locate
[3:33:30] yung pong nabanggit
[3:33:31] na doon sa affidavit
[3:33:33] yung mga EA
[3:33:35] ni Saldico,
[3:33:37] yung Paul Estrada,
[3:33:39] Mark Tixay,
[3:33:40] Roberto Albarigo,
[3:33:42] ito yung mga nabanggit
[3:33:43] na rin
[3:33:43] ng mga Blue Ribbon
[3:33:45] Committee
[3:33:45] hearing
[3:33:46] na nakaraan
[3:33:46] na naalala ko lang
[3:33:48] kasi
[3:33:48] na ito yung mga taong
[3:33:49] individual
[3:33:50] na malapit
[3:33:50] kay Saldico
[3:33:51] and they were also
[3:33:52] mentioned,
[3:33:53] Mr. Chair,
[3:33:54] doon sa affidavit
[3:33:55] ni Gilna Bidad
[3:33:57] at ni
[3:33:57] Anselno Taberdo.
[3:34:00] Tama, no?
[3:34:00] Attorney,
[3:34:01] Director, no?
[3:34:02] They were also
[3:34:03] mentioned itong
[3:34:04] mga malalapit
[3:34:05] supposedly
[3:34:06] kay Saldico.
[3:34:07] Ang tanong ko lang,
[3:34:08] may effort ba tayo
[3:34:09] mahanap itong
[3:34:10] mga
[3:34:10] executive assistant
[3:34:14] o itong
[3:34:14] alleged bug man
[3:34:15] ni Saldico
[3:34:17] dahil
[3:34:18] kung buksakasakali
[3:34:19] pagpalagay na natin
[3:34:20] merah
[3:34:21] 5-10%
[3:34:23] lang ang magagamit
[3:34:24] doon
[3:34:24] dahil kilala nila
[3:34:25] yung mga tao
[3:34:26] eh pwede pa rin
[3:34:27] magamit.
[3:34:29] Attorney,
[3:34:29] Batibag,
[3:34:30] meron bang effort
[3:34:30] to look for
[3:34:31] these individuals?
[3:34:33] Well,
[3:34:33] we are willing
[3:34:35] to see issues
[3:34:35] of PINA to TM
[3:34:36] ngayon po.
[3:34:38] Pero yung
[3:34:38] even nga po
[3:34:39] yung identification nila
[3:34:40] tsaka
[3:34:41] kung personal circumstances
[3:34:42] hindi po maibigay
[3:34:43] sa amin
[3:34:44] nung 18 Marines.
[3:34:46] So,
[3:34:46] if there's an effort
[3:34:47] there is a
[3:34:48] continuing effort.
[3:34:49] Lahat naman po dito
[3:34:50] yung mga binanggit
[3:34:51] make no mistake
[3:34:53] na ibig sabihin
[3:34:54] dahil hindi
[3:34:54] maayos yung
[3:34:56] pagkasalaysay
[3:34:56] dito sa
[3:34:57] pinagsamang
[3:34:58] sinumpang salaysay
[3:34:59] eh hindi na namin
[3:35:00] titignan.
[3:35:01] Titignan pa rin po
[3:35:02] namin yun
[3:35:02] kaya lang nga
[3:35:03] yung magiging
[3:35:04] direction po natin
[3:35:05] sa halip na
[3:35:06] naging maluwag
[3:35:07] at mas mabilis
[3:35:08] yung direction
[3:35:08] ng pagpunta
[3:35:09] eh meron pa pong
[3:35:10] nangyari na
[3:35:11] ganito na
[3:35:12] sa gabal po
[3:35:12] sa aming hangari
[3:35:13] na may patawag po
[3:35:14] yung mga taong
[3:35:15] dapat naming
[3:35:15] imbestigahan.
[3:35:17] At na maganda po
[3:35:17] kanina binanggit
[3:35:18] ni PJ Padul yun
[3:35:19] I just like to
[3:35:22] take the opportunity
[3:35:22] na ang NBI po
[3:35:23] katulong ang DOJ
[3:35:25] at saka po
[3:35:26] ang Ombudsman
[3:35:27] tuloy-tuloy po
[3:35:28] yung aming
[3:35:28] pag-iimbestiga
[3:35:29] at mga kasong
[3:35:30] aming inihahain po
[3:35:31] dun sa mga
[3:35:32] dapat managot po
[3:35:33] dito sa ating
[3:35:33] usapin na
[3:35:34] flood control issue
[3:35:35] po na to.
[3:35:36] Ang ano lang
[3:35:38] dahil
[3:35:38] sabi nga natin
[3:35:40] pag sinabi mong
[3:35:41] Marines
[3:35:41] ibang
[3:35:43] pananaw
[3:35:46] alam natin
[3:35:46] na yan
[3:35:47] talagang buhay
[3:35:48] lahat
[3:35:49] i-a-ano niyan
[3:35:50] i-a-alay niya
[3:35:52] para sa bayan
[3:35:53] ang sa akin
[3:35:55] lang po
[3:35:55] Mr. Chair
[3:35:56] kung
[3:35:58] siguro
[3:35:59] sabanggit ni
[3:36:00] yung attorney
[3:36:00] Matibag
[3:36:01] ganoon po kasi
[3:36:02] sa handling
[3:36:02] mukhang hindi maganda
[3:36:03] yung mga handler
[3:36:04] maaring
[3:36:05] doon sa mga
[3:36:06] kaunting
[3:36:07] kaya nga po
[3:36:07] nag-a-appeal na nga tayo
[3:36:08] doon sa mga
[3:36:09] doon sa lima
[3:36:10] na nag-execute
[3:36:11] ng apidabit
[3:36:12] maari pong
[3:36:13] may magamit pa doon
[3:36:14] kung sakasakali
[3:36:16] kaya lang
[3:36:17] kung
[3:36:17] nasingitan kasi
[3:36:19] ng handler
[3:36:20] na ibang
[3:36:21] informasyon
[3:36:21] na dinagdag
[3:36:23] kung saan-saan
[3:36:23] pero dapat
[3:36:24] nag-concentrate din sila
[3:36:26] doon sa kalang
[3:36:27] personal knowledge
[3:36:27] maaring
[3:36:28] mas nagamit
[3:36:29] pag napagtahitahe
[3:36:31] kung sakali
[3:36:31] attorney Matibag
[3:36:32] kung
[3:36:32] nahana ba itong
[3:36:34] Paul Estrada
[3:36:34] Mark Dixay
[3:36:35] Albarigo
[3:36:36] at naitahe doon
[3:36:38] kailan na
[3:36:38] Bidad at Taberdo
[3:36:39] maaring may magamit
[3:36:41] kung hindi lang
[3:36:42] siguro
[3:36:43] na sinasabi nyo
[3:36:44] na coach
[3:36:45] na mali
[3:36:46] o na dagdagan
[3:36:47] maari ho bang
[3:36:48] magamit doon
[3:36:49] kung sakasakali
[3:36:50] mahanap nyo itong
[3:36:51] mga
[3:36:52] sinasabing
[3:36:53] bagman
[3:36:53] at ang
[3:36:53] EA
[3:36:54] ni Saldico
[3:36:55] doon
[3:36:56] dahil
[3:36:57] nabangit nyo rin
[3:36:58] kanina
[3:36:58] yung sa mga lima
[3:37:00] na nag-apply David
[3:37:01] eh
[3:37:02] na-assign po talaga
[3:37:03] sila
[3:37:04] kay Mr.
[3:37:04] Saldico
[3:37:05] Well
[3:37:06] ito naman pong
[3:37:07] aming findings
[3:37:08] na ito
[3:37:08] including po
[3:37:09] yung nakuha na
[3:37:10] aming mga
[3:37:10] testimonya
[3:37:11] doon sa mga
[3:37:11] Marines
[3:37:12] we are officially
[3:37:13] sharing it
[3:37:14] to the DOJ
[3:37:14] and to the
[3:37:15] office of the
[3:37:16] ombudsman
[3:37:16] for proper
[3:37:17] disposition
[3:37:17] kung maalala nyo po
[3:37:18] yung aming
[3:37:19] pagkilos
[3:37:20] based on the
[3:37:21] letter
[3:37:21] deputizing
[3:37:22] us
[3:37:23] by the
[3:37:23] ombudsman
[3:37:24] to do the
[3:37:24] background
[3:37:25] investigation
[3:37:25] so that is
[3:37:27] a background
[3:37:27] investigation
[3:37:28] yung pong
[3:37:29] mga binanggit
[3:37:29] nila roon
[3:37:30] will be
[3:37:31] properly
[3:37:31] assessed
[3:37:32] by the
[3:37:32] office of
[3:37:32] the
[3:37:32] ombudsman
[3:37:33] in the
[3:37:33] Department
[3:37:33] of Justice
[3:37:34] and
[3:37:35] but just
[3:37:35] the same
[3:37:35] we take
[3:37:36] your
[3:37:36] advice
[3:37:37] po
[3:37:37] at sabi ko
[3:37:38] nga
[3:37:38] ito pong
[3:37:39] kasong
[3:37:39] ito
[3:37:39] hindi pa
[3:37:40] sarado
[3:37:40] tuloy-tuloy
[3:37:41] yung
[3:37:41] pag-iimbestiga
[3:37:42] ngayari
[3:37:43] lamang po
[3:37:43] nung lumabas
[3:37:44] nga itong
[3:37:44] payag
[3:37:45] ng 18
[3:37:45] bodyguards
[3:37:47] na ito
[3:37:47] sa halip
[3:37:48] na parang
[3:37:49] luminaw
[3:37:49] mas lumabo
[3:37:50] mas humaba
[3:37:52] po yung
[3:37:52] prosesong
[3:37:53] ating gagawin
[3:37:53] para habulin
[3:37:54] natin
[3:37:55] yung mga
[3:37:55] mananagot
[3:37:56] po dito
[3:37:56] sa issue
[3:37:56] ng blood
[3:37:57] control
[3:37:57] po na ito
[3:37:58] kaya nga
[3:37:58] po
[3:37:59] nag ano
[3:38:00] papasalamat
[3:38:02] tayo
[3:38:02] sa ating
[3:38:02] chairperson
[3:38:03] si
[3:38:03] Senator
[3:38:05] Erwin
[3:38:05] Tulfo
[3:38:06] na binagbibigyan
[3:38:07] sana
[3:38:07] na pagkakataon
[3:38:08] yung
[3:38:09] labing
[3:38:10] walo
[3:38:12] na maihayag
[3:38:13] yung kanilang
[3:38:13] nalalaman
[3:38:14] na sa halip
[3:38:15] na nagprescon
[3:38:16] maaaring
[3:38:17] doon sa mga
[3:38:18] kasi iba yung
[3:38:19] pagpumirma ka
[3:38:20] kahit pa paano
[3:38:21] tinitindigan mo yun
[3:38:22] so maaaring may
[3:38:24] magamit doon
[3:38:24] mapagtahitahin natin
[3:38:26] kumahanap itong
[3:38:27] mga individual na ito
[3:38:28] kaysa
[3:38:28] umiwas po sila
[3:38:30] kaya hindi natin
[3:38:31] pinalalabas to
[3:38:32] Mr. Chair
[3:38:32] salamat
[3:38:33] at inibita mo sila
[3:38:34] na i-discredit sila
[3:38:36] kundi kung may magagamit
[3:38:37] doon
[3:38:37] bakit hindi
[3:38:38] I'm sure
[3:38:38] si Ator.
[3:38:39] Atibag
[3:38:39] would agree
[3:38:40] na doon
[3:38:41] sa kahit
[3:38:42] 10%
[3:38:43] eh kung magagamit
[3:38:45] magtatahitahin
[3:38:46] natin ito
[3:38:46] eh matutunto
[3:38:47] natin
[3:38:47] kung may delivery nga
[3:38:49] meron ang delivery
[3:38:50] kung meron
[3:38:51] itong mga bagman
[3:38:52] na ito
[3:38:52] may kinalaman
[3:38:53] talaga
[3:38:53] para talaga
[3:38:55] malaman na natin
[3:38:56] itong mga tunay
[3:38:57] na may salarin
[3:38:58] dito sa
[3:38:59] buong
[3:39:00] modus na ito
[3:39:03] Yan
[3:39:03] ano lang po
[3:39:05] salamat po
[3:39:05] sa tanong
[3:39:06] ni Senator J.B
[3:39:07] Mr. Chair
[3:39:08] let me state
[3:39:10] that the NBI
[3:39:11] will be relentless
[3:39:11] in pursuing
[3:39:12] those who violate
[3:39:14] the law
[3:39:14] lalo na po
[3:39:15] dito sa issue
[3:39:16] ng corruption
[3:39:16] that is the
[3:39:17] commitment po
[3:39:18] ng NBI
[3:39:18] dito sa committee
[3:39:19] na to
[3:39:19] just to cite
[3:39:21] an example
[3:39:22] just recently
[3:39:22] we are going
[3:39:23] after politically
[3:39:24] exposed persons
[3:39:25] recently po
[3:39:26] we arrested
[3:39:27] a director
[3:39:27] from SEC
[3:39:28] na
[3:39:29] nag-i-extort po
[3:39:31] at meron po
[3:39:32] kaming sinusundad
[3:39:33] din na lead
[3:39:33] na
[3:39:34] medyo malaking
[3:39:35] personality po
[3:39:36] na
[3:39:36] hindi lang namin
[3:39:38] ibibigay po po
[3:39:39] yung bond
[3:39:39] detalye
[3:39:40] pero
[3:39:40] meron pong dalawa
[3:39:41] na malaking
[3:39:42] personality
[3:39:43] na tingin namin
[3:39:44] ay
[3:39:45] gumamit
[3:39:46] ng mga dami po
[3:39:47] para itago
[3:39:48] itong issue po
[3:39:48] doon
[3:39:48] ng flood control
[3:39:49] po
[3:39:49] before we go
[3:39:53] to
[3:39:53] Senator Baum
[3:39:54] just want to
[3:39:54] remind everybody
[3:39:55] yung report po
[3:39:57] sa atin
[3:39:58] ng
[3:39:58] Blue Ribbon
[3:40:00] Committee Secretariat
[3:40:02] ay nagaantay pa rin po
[3:40:04] sila ng sagot
[3:40:05] sa taas
[3:40:05] ayaw po silang
[3:40:06] bigyan ng sagot
[3:40:07] binibigyan po
[3:40:10] natin ng chance
[3:40:11] we're inviting
[3:40:11] them to
[3:40:12] to attend
[3:40:13] this hearing
[3:40:14] ang sagot po
[3:40:15] ng attorney po nila
[3:40:16] si attorney Baligod
[3:40:17] inatatakot daw
[3:40:18] yata na
[3:40:19] pag nag-attend
[3:40:19] naman po sila dito
[3:40:20] baka
[3:40:21] isight lang po
[3:40:21] ng contempt
[3:40:22] ng
[3:40:23] committee
[3:40:24] hindi naman po
[3:40:25] ganon
[3:40:25] dahil ito po
[3:40:25] invitation
[3:40:26] lamang po
[3:40:27] naman
[3:40:27] hindi po ba
[3:40:28] and this is just
[3:40:29] a meeting
[3:40:29] but anyway
[3:40:30] go ahead
[3:40:31] Sen
[3:40:34] Bang
[3:40:35] maraming salamat
[3:40:36] Mr. Chairman
[3:40:36] isa lang po itong
[3:40:39] manifestation
[3:40:40] marami po tayong
[3:40:42] tanong
[3:40:42] at yung mga tanong
[3:40:43] ho natin
[3:40:44] ay para sa
[3:40:45] 18 bodyguards
[3:40:48] na hinihikayat pa rin po
[3:40:49] natin
[3:40:50] mag-attend
[3:40:51] dito po sa ating
[3:40:52] meeting
[3:40:52] eventually
[3:40:53] magiging hearing po ito
[3:40:55] and under oath
[3:40:56] mapag-uusapan
[3:40:57] yung
[3:40:57] kanilang sinasabi
[3:40:59] at malalaman natin
[3:41:00] yung katotohanan
[3:41:01] pero siguro po
[3:41:02] yung mungkahi ko na lang
[3:41:03] to the agencies
[3:41:04] in front of us
[3:41:05] ang DOJ
[3:41:06] ang NBI
[3:41:07] at ang ombudsman
[3:41:09] ito po
[3:41:11] palagay ko
[3:41:12] ito po yung
[3:41:12] pakiramdam
[3:41:13] ng maraming tao
[3:41:13] kailangan po
[3:41:15] natin
[3:41:15] i-resolve
[3:41:15] itong issue
[3:41:16] ng flood control
[3:41:17] mag-iisang taon na po
[3:41:19] ang SONA
[3:41:21] yung SONA po
[3:41:22] last year
[3:41:23] dun po
[3:41:24] lumabas yung
[3:41:25] mahaya naman kayo
[3:41:27] at mag-iisang taon na po yan
[3:41:28] next month na po yan
[3:41:30] so huwag na po natin
[3:41:31] paubutin ng isang taon
[3:41:33] na yung pinakamalalaking isda
[3:41:35] ay hindi po
[3:41:35] nawuhuli
[3:41:37] at sana po
[3:41:38] gawin natin yan
[3:41:39] na wala po tayong
[3:41:40] kinikilingan
[3:41:41] we follow the law
[3:41:43] we follow where the evidence
[3:41:45] leads us
[3:41:46] at gawin po natin
[3:41:47] yung nararapat
[3:41:48] kasi
[3:41:49] alam nyo po
[3:41:49] may nagsasabi kasi
[3:41:50] nakalimutan na yung
[3:41:52] issue ng flood control
[3:41:54] yun po yung mga
[3:41:54] binabato po rin po
[3:41:55] pero hindi po
[3:41:57] nakakalimutan yung
[3:41:58] flood control
[3:41:58] dahil
[3:42:00] meron po magpapaalala
[3:42:01] sa atin ng
[3:42:02] flood control
[3:42:02] yung panahon
[3:42:03] dahil rainy season
[3:42:05] na rin po ngayon
[3:42:06] kapag bumabaha na po
[3:42:07] sa Metro Manila
[3:42:08] sa Cebu
[3:42:09] sa Iloilo
[3:42:10] at napakarami pa
[3:42:11] mga lugar
[3:42:12] pag bumabaha na po
[3:42:13] sa buong kapuloan
[3:42:14] natin
[3:42:15] maalala ng tao
[3:42:16] itong issue na ito
[3:42:18] at iisipin nila
[3:42:19] meron bang nangyari
[3:42:20] kaya mahalaga po
[3:42:22] na ituloy po yung
[3:42:24] hearing
[3:42:24] ituloy po yung
[3:42:26] investigasyon
[3:42:26] at sana po
[3:42:27] ma-resolve na po
[3:42:28] natin ito
[3:42:29] bago pa umabot
[3:42:30] ng one year
[3:42:31] anniversary
[3:42:32] na kung saan po
[3:42:33] una itong
[3:42:34] nailabas
[3:42:35] no?
[3:42:36] Habang hindi pa po
[3:42:37] ito nare-resolve
[3:42:38] ba?
[3:42:38] Tuloy-tuloy po
[3:42:39] ang mga tanong
[3:42:40] ng taong bayan
[3:42:41] kung sineseryoso ba
[3:42:42] natin ang issue na ito
[3:42:43] at mahalaga po
[3:42:44] naseryosohin po
[3:42:45] natin ito
[3:42:45] isa po ito
[3:42:46] sa pinakamalaking nakawan
[3:42:48] sa buong kasaysayan
[3:42:49] ng ating bansa
[3:42:50] at alam ko po
[3:42:51] mahirap ang trabaho ninyo
[3:42:52] kada hakbang
[3:42:54] may bumabatikos
[3:42:56] alam ko po yan
[3:42:57] pero
[3:42:58] siguro po
[3:42:59] para rin po
[3:42:59] sa taong bayan
[3:43:00] no?
[3:43:01] Let's
[3:43:01] let's do our best
[3:43:03] I know your
[3:43:04] everyone is trying
[3:43:05] their hardest
[3:43:06] but
[3:43:06] mahalaga siguro po
[3:43:07] itong sense of urgency
[3:43:08] natin
[3:43:09] na magkaroon ng
[3:43:09] resolusyon
[3:43:10] ang issue na ito
[3:43:12] mahuli ang dapat
[3:43:13] mahuli
[3:43:13] yung talagang
[3:43:14] nasa likod nito
[3:43:15] mastermind
[3:43:16] kung saan pa po ito
[3:43:17] papunta
[3:43:17] kailangan po talaga
[3:43:18] mahuli na
[3:43:19] para makamove on
[3:43:20] na rin po tayo
[3:43:21] dito po sa ating
[3:43:22] mga kailangang gawin
[3:43:24] dito po sa ating
[3:43:24] bansa
[3:43:25] napakarami pong issue
[3:43:26] napakarami pong
[3:43:27] krisis
[3:43:28] ngayon lang po
[3:43:28] nagkaroon ng
[3:43:29] earthquake po
[3:43:29] sa Mindanao
[3:43:30] at marami po sa amin
[3:43:32] pagkatapos po
[3:43:34] ng hearing na ito
[3:43:34] ay a-action na rin po
[3:43:35] namin yung iba't ibang
[3:43:36] pwedeng gawin po doon
[3:43:37] pero habang di pa po
[3:43:39] ito
[3:43:39] nabibigyan ng
[3:43:40] tamang resolusyon
[3:43:41] patuloy po
[3:43:42] yung sugot na ito
[3:43:43] sa ating bansa
[3:43:45] pong magkaroon na po
[3:43:46] ng lunas
[3:43:47] yun lang po Mr. Chairman
[3:43:48] maraming salamat po
[3:43:49] sa mga resource persons
[3:43:50] po natin
[3:43:50] thank you
[3:43:51] Senator Bam
[3:43:51] after Senator Soto
[3:43:52] will be
[3:43:53] Senator Rizontiveros
[3:43:55] go ahead po
[3:43:56] Senator Soto
[3:43:57] thank you sir
[3:43:59] thank you Mr. Chairman
[3:44:01] I actually came
[3:44:04] and prepared
[3:44:06] many questions
[3:44:07] but after the
[3:44:09] after hearing
[3:44:10] the NBI report
[3:44:11] and then looking
[3:44:13] at the
[3:44:14] reading through
[3:44:16] the joint
[3:44:17] affidavit
[3:44:19] and then
[3:44:19] the
[3:44:20] copies
[3:44:22] of the
[3:44:23] affidavit
[3:44:23] of the five
[3:44:24] who individually
[3:44:25] submitted
[3:44:26] their
[3:44:26] affidavit
[3:44:28] dating sa akin
[3:44:31] is
[3:44:32] wala na ako
[3:44:34] itatanong
[3:44:34] kasi
[3:44:35] apparently
[3:44:37] yung joint
[3:44:37] affidavit
[3:44:38] what's it
[3:44:40] the word
[3:44:41] used by
[3:44:41] NBI
[3:44:42] based on
[3:44:43] the NBI
[3:44:43] report
[3:44:43] concocted
[3:44:44] merong gumawa
[3:44:46] at parang
[3:44:48] for media
[3:44:49] purposes
[3:44:49] tapos
[3:44:51] nakabanggit ako
[3:44:53] ron
[3:44:55] nasingit ako
[3:44:56] somewhere
[3:44:57] somewhere
[3:44:58] along this
[3:44:59] makapal na
[3:45:00] affidavit
[3:45:01] and then
[3:45:02] nung magbigay
[3:45:03] ng
[3:45:03] sinumpaang
[3:45:05] salaysay
[3:45:06] yung mga
[3:45:06] nabanggit
[3:45:07] doon
[3:45:07] lalo na
[3:45:08] yung lima
[3:45:08] hindi ako
[3:45:09] binanggit
[3:45:10] wala akong
[3:45:12] banggit
[3:45:12] doon
[3:45:13] walang sinasabi
[3:45:13] sa akin
[3:45:14] doon
[3:45:14] pero pagdating
[3:45:16] nung
[3:45:16] pseudo
[3:45:19] hearing
[3:45:20] ay
[3:45:22] pilit
[3:45:23] itinatanong
[3:45:23] nung dalawang
[3:45:24] senador
[3:45:24] tungkol sa akin
[3:45:25] tsaka
[3:45:25] senator
[3:45:26] Laxon
[3:45:26] so
[3:45:27] I actually
[3:45:29] sympathize
[3:45:29] with the
[3:45:30] 18 ex
[3:45:31] bodyguards
[3:45:31] because
[3:45:33] parang
[3:45:34] nagagamit
[3:45:35] talaga
[3:45:35] sila
[3:45:36] ay
[3:45:37] nakakaawa
[3:45:40] eh
[3:45:40] dahil
[3:45:41] later on
[3:45:42] baka sila
[3:45:42] sasalo
[3:45:43] ng lahat
[3:45:43] ng
[3:45:44] kabulastugan
[3:45:45] nung
[3:45:45] nagprepare
[3:45:46] ng joint
[3:45:47] apidabit
[3:45:47] nagsingit
[3:45:48] si ganito
[3:45:48] sinama
[3:45:49] si ganito
[3:45:49] pagkatapos
[3:45:51] individually
[3:45:52] pagka
[3:45:53] nakausap
[3:45:53] iba ang
[3:45:54] kwento
[3:45:54] nila
[3:45:55] nung sarili
[3:45:55] nilang
[3:45:56] kaalaman
[3:45:56] so
[3:45:57] with that
[3:45:59] Mr. Chairman
[3:46:00] I have
[3:46:01] no questions
[3:46:02] to any
[3:46:03] of them
[3:46:03] obvious na
[3:46:04] alam na
[3:46:05] ng taong
[3:46:05] bayan
[3:46:06] ano
[3:46:06] nangyari
[3:46:07] thank you
[3:46:09] Senator
[3:46:09] Soda
[3:46:09] Senator
[3:46:10] Arisa
[3:46:10] salamat
[3:46:12] Mr. Chair
[3:46:13] with the
[3:46:14] advice of
[3:46:15] Vice Chair
[3:46:15] Kiko
[3:46:16] in relation
[3:46:17] dun sa
[3:46:18] lindol
[3:46:19] na binagit
[3:46:19] ni
[3:46:20] Senator
[3:46:20] Bam
[3:46:21] tatlong
[3:46:22] maikling
[3:46:22] factual
[3:46:23] questions
[3:46:23] na lamang
[3:46:24] po
[3:46:24] sa
[3:46:26] NBI
[3:46:27] po
[3:46:27] hindi
[3:46:28] po ba
[3:46:29] sa
[3:46:30] investigasyon
[3:46:30] nyo
[3:46:31] pariti
[3:46:31] po yung
[3:46:32] pagkondukta
[3:46:32] ng lie
[3:46:33] detector
[3:46:33] test
[3:46:34] and
[3:46:35] if
[3:46:35] so
[3:46:35] bakit
[3:46:36] po
[3:46:36] hindi
[3:46:37] nakapag
[3:46:37] lie
[3:46:38] detector
[3:46:38] test
[3:46:38] po
[3:46:39] yung
[3:46:39] 18
[3:46:39] ex-body
[3:46:40] guards
[3:46:41] meron
[3:46:42] pong
[3:46:42] mga
[3:46:43] nung tinanong
[3:46:44] kung willing
[3:46:44] silang pumasok
[3:46:45] sa lie
[3:46:45] detector
[3:46:46] test
[3:46:46] meron
[3:46:47] namang
[3:46:47] mga sumagot
[3:46:48] na
[3:46:48] directly
[3:46:49] na
[3:46:49] opo
[3:46:50] meron
[3:46:50] namang
[3:46:51] mga sumagot
[3:46:51] din
[3:46:51] na
[3:46:52] sinasabi
[3:46:52] is
[3:46:53] tatanungin
[3:46:54] si
[3:46:54] attorney
[3:46:54] balikod
[3:46:55] kaya
[3:46:56] nangyari
[3:46:56] po
[3:46:56] diyan
[3:46:56] hindi
[3:46:57] muna
[3:46:57] na
[3:46:57] subject
[3:46:58] sa
[3:46:58] lie
[3:46:58] detector
[3:46:58] test
[3:46:59] kasi
[3:46:59] po
[3:46:59] yung
[3:47:00] lumalabas
[3:47:01] on a
[3:47:01] general
[3:47:02] sense
[3:47:02] ay
[3:47:03] tanungin
[3:47:03] po
[3:47:03] yung
[3:47:04] kanilang
[3:47:04] abugado
[3:47:04] pero
[3:47:05] we are
[3:47:06] ready
[3:47:06] to
[3:47:06] conduct
[3:47:07] yung
[3:47:07] lie
[3:47:08] detector
[3:47:08] test
[3:47:08] if
[3:47:09] they
[3:47:09] will
[3:47:09] agree
[3:47:10] Salamat
[3:47:12] po
[3:47:12] Mr.
[3:47:12] Chair
[3:47:13] at
[3:47:13] dun
[3:47:13] po
[3:47:13] sa
[3:47:13] investigasyon
[3:47:14] ng
[3:47:14] bureau
[3:47:15] lumabas
[3:47:15] po
[3:47:16] ba
[3:47:16] kung
[3:47:16] paano
[3:47:17] nakilala
[3:47:17] nung
[3:47:17] labingwalong
[3:47:18] ex-bodyguards
[3:47:19] si
[3:47:19] attorney
[3:47:20] balikod
[3:47:20] Mr.
[3:47:23] Chair
[3:47:23] ganito
[3:47:24] po
[3:47:24] in-approach
[3:47:25] nila
[3:47:27] yung
[3:47:27] isa
[3:47:27] si
[3:47:28] Buduan
[3:47:31] in-approach
[3:47:32] ni
[3:47:32] attorney
[3:47:34] balikod
[3:47:34] tapos
[3:47:35] si Buduan
[3:47:36] siya
[3:47:36] ang
[3:47:37] nag-recruit
[3:47:37] dun
[3:47:37] sa
[3:47:38] labing
[3:47:39] walo
[3:47:39] sa
[3:47:39] labing
[3:47:39] pito
[3:47:40] at
[3:47:40] nagsimula
[3:47:41] sila
[3:47:41] nag-meeting
[3:47:42] and
[3:47:42] eventually
[3:47:43] hini-house
[3:47:44] na po
[3:47:44] sila
[3:47:44] sa isang
[3:47:45] tirahan
[3:47:45] sa
[3:47:46] white
[3:47:46] plains
[3:47:46] dun
[3:47:47] po
[3:47:47] sa
[3:47:47] lugar
[3:47:47] ni
[3:47:47] attorney
[3:47:48] balikod
[3:47:48] mismo
[3:47:49] mula
[3:47:49] pa
[3:47:49] nung
[3:47:50] November
[3:47:50] so
[3:47:51] ang
[3:47:51] take
[3:47:53] away
[3:47:53] naging
[3:47:54] option
[3:47:54] kaya
[3:47:55] po
[3:47:55] na
[3:47:55] si
[3:47:55] Buduan
[3:47:56] yung
[3:47:57] kay
[3:47:57] Gutesa
[3:47:57] po
[3:47:58] nagsimula
[3:47:59] Salamat
[3:48:02] Mr.
[3:48:03] Chair
[3:48:03] at
[3:48:03] huling
[3:48:03] tanong
[3:48:03] na
[3:48:04] lamang
[3:48:04] paano
[3:48:06] po
[3:48:06] nabuo
[3:48:07] yung
[3:48:07] grupong
[3:48:07] ito
[3:48:08] ganun
[3:48:08] po
[3:48:09] na
[3:48:09] lumapit
[3:48:09] si
[3:48:10] attorney
[3:48:10] balikod
[3:48:10] kay
[3:48:11] Mr.
[3:48:12] Buduan
[3:48:12] at
[3:48:13] si
[3:48:13] Mr.
[3:48:13] Buduan
[3:48:14] na
[3:48:14] ang
[3:48:14] nag-recruit
[3:48:14] nung
[3:48:15] labing
[3:48:15] pito
[3:48:15] pa
[3:48:15] meron
[3:48:16] pa
[3:48:16] baka
[3:48:16] nalaman
[3:48:21] pinakang
[3:48:22] kinuha
[3:48:22] na
[3:48:22] kubausap
[3:48:23] para
[3:48:24] doon
[3:48:24] sa
[3:48:24] labing
[3:48:24] walo
[3:48:24] na
[3:48:24] sumama
[3:48:25] katunayan
[3:48:25] hindi lang
[3:48:26] po
[3:48:26] ang aming
[3:48:26] findings
[3:48:27] hindi lang
[3:48:28] po
[3:48:28] labing
[3:48:29] walo
[3:48:29] yung
[3:48:29] kanilang
[3:48:29] kinakausap
[3:48:30] 26
[3:48:31] po
[3:48:31] dapat
[3:48:32] yan
[3:48:32] 24
[3:48:34] may
[3:48:34] 6
[3:48:34] pa
[3:48:34] po
[3:48:35] kung
[3:48:36] makikita
[3:48:36] nyo
[3:48:36] po
[3:48:36] may
[3:48:36] mga
[3:48:37] lumabas
[3:48:37] dun
[3:48:37] sa
[3:48:37] social
[3:48:38] media
[3:48:38] na
[3:48:38] aming
[3:48:38] nilabas
[3:48:39] may
[3:48:39] kinakausap
[3:48:40] na
[3:48:40] additional
[3:48:41] na
[3:48:42] 6
[3:48:42] para
[3:48:43] magiging
[3:48:43] 24
[3:48:44] tapos
[3:48:45] ang
[3:48:45] nangyari
[3:48:45] narecord
[3:48:47] pa nga
[3:48:48] na
[3:48:48] para
[3:48:48] nagtatawaran
[3:48:49] pa ng
[3:48:49] presyo
[3:48:50] kung ano
[3:48:50] yung
[3:48:50] ibibigay
[3:48:51] meron
[3:48:52] po
[3:48:52] kaming
[3:48:52] recording
[3:48:52] noon
[3:48:53] nakuha
[3:48:53] rin
[3:48:53] po
[3:48:53] namin
[3:48:54] sa
[3:48:54] aming
[3:48:54] monitoring
[3:48:54] ng
[3:48:55] aming
[3:48:55] CCD
[3:48:56] yung
[3:48:56] aming
[3:48:57] cybercrime
[3:48:57] division
[3:48:58] nando
[3:48:58] doon
[3:48:58] po
[3:48:59] meron
[3:49:00] din
[3:49:00] po
[3:49:00] mga
[3:49:00] report
[3:49:00] na
[3:49:01] pumasok
[3:49:01] sa
[3:49:01] amin
[3:49:02] na
[3:49:02] malalayong
[3:49:03] lugar
[3:49:03] mga
[3:49:03] taga
[3:49:04] Isabela
[3:49:04] taga
[3:49:04] Tugigaraw
[3:49:05] pinupuntahan
[3:49:06] pa
[3:49:06] ni
[3:49:06] Atty.
[3:49:07] Balikod
[3:49:08] para
[3:49:08] kumbinsihin
[3:49:09] unofficially
[3:49:12] we cannot
[3:49:12] make use
[3:49:13] of the
[3:49:14] recording
[3:49:14] that was
[3:49:15] given to us
[3:49:15] dahil
[3:49:16] merong
[3:49:17] konting
[3:49:17] violation
[3:49:18] yan
[3:49:18] pero
[3:49:18] maririnig
[3:49:19] mismo
[3:49:20] doon
[3:49:20] yung
[3:49:20] boses
[3:49:21] ni
[3:49:21] Atty.
[3:49:21] Balikod
[3:49:22] na kinukumbinsin
[3:49:23] na
[3:49:23] ikaw kumuha
[3:49:24] ng picture
[3:49:25] na to
[3:49:25] asan na
[3:49:25] yung
[3:49:25] USB
[3:49:26] sinasabi
[3:49:27] ng tao
[3:49:27] ayoko
[3:49:28] nang makialam
[3:49:28] nananahimik
[3:49:29] na ko
[3:49:30] yung
[3:49:30] pamilya
[3:49:30] ko
[3:49:30] At
[3:49:31] pag
[3:49:31] mapapansin
[3:49:32] po
[3:49:32] ninyo
[3:49:33] itong
[3:49:33] labing
[3:49:34] walo
[3:49:34] these
[3:49:34] are
[3:49:35] the
[3:49:35] individuals
[3:49:36] na wala
[3:49:36] po
[3:49:36] trabaho
[3:49:37] kasi
[3:49:38] doon
[3:49:38] sa
[3:49:38] 100
[3:49:39] pag
[3:49:39] inyo
[3:49:39] po
[3:49:40] i-check
[3:49:40] i-validate
[3:49:41] some
[3:49:42] of
[3:49:42] them
[3:49:42] probably
[3:49:43] more
[3:49:43] than
[3:49:43] 10
[3:49:44] of
[3:49:44] them
[3:49:44] are
[3:49:45] still
[3:49:45] in
[3:49:45] active
[3:49:46] service
[3:49:46] So
[3:49:48] kaya
[3:49:48] ko
[3:49:48] po
[3:49:49] this
[3:49:49] is
[3:49:49] material
[3:49:50] kaya
[3:49:50] ko
[3:49:50] po
[3:49:50] sinasabi
[3:49:51] to
[3:49:51] yung
[3:49:51] mga
[3:49:51] nasa
[3:49:52] active
[3:49:52] service
[3:49:52] may
[3:49:53] trabaho
[3:49:53] hindi
[3:49:53] mo
[3:49:53] na
[3:49:53] pwedeng
[3:49:54] kumbinsihin
[3:49:54] dahil
[3:49:56] meron
[3:49:56] silang
[3:49:56] career
[3:49:57] more
[3:49:57] than
[3:49:57] the
[3:49:57] salary
[3:49:59] na
[3:49:59] makukuha
[3:49:59] yung
[3:49:59] career
[3:50:00] nila
[3:50:00] tinitingnan nila
[3:50:01] pero
[3:50:02] itong
[3:50:02] individual
[3:50:03] na
[3:50:03] labing
[3:50:04] walo
[3:50:04] na
[3:50:04] to
[3:50:05] pag
[3:50:05] pre-profile
[3:50:05] nga po
[3:50:06] natin
[3:50:06] halos
[3:50:08] pare-pareasy
[3:50:09] yung
[3:50:09] kanilang
[3:50:09] mga
[3:50:10] katatayuan
[3:50:10] po
[3:50:11] yun na
[3:50:14] po
[3:50:14] kasama
[3:50:14] na po
[3:50:14] yung
[3:50:14] seri
[3:50:15] bibigay
[3:50:15] naming
[3:50:15] findings
[3:50:16] na
[3:50:16] tingin
[3:50:17] ko
[3:50:17] dapat
[3:50:18] po
[3:50:18] matingnan
[3:50:19] kung
[3:50:19] siguro
[3:50:20] kumamara
[3:50:23] pa
[3:50:23] atin
[3:50:23] po
[3:50:23] meron
[3:50:24] namang
[3:50:25] lista
[3:50:25] doon
[3:50:25] sa
[3:50:25] mga
[3:50:26] empleyado
[3:50:27] na
[3:50:27] yun
[3:50:27] na
[3:50:27] dating
[3:50:28] congressman
[3:50:29] Saldico
[3:50:30] na
[3:50:30] nasa
[3:50:30] active
[3:50:31] service
[3:50:31] may mga
[3:50:32] ilan
[3:50:32] po
[3:50:32] nakausap
[3:50:33] dyan
[3:50:33] na
[3:50:33] natatakot
[3:50:34] na lang
[3:50:34] lumabas
[3:50:35] dahil
[3:50:35] they're
[3:50:36] very
[3:50:36] protective
[3:50:36] of
[3:50:37] their
[3:50:37] career
[3:50:37] baka
[3:50:38] sakali
[3:50:38] po
[3:50:39] sa pamamagitan
[3:50:40] po
[3:50:40] ninyo
[3:50:40] through
[3:50:40] an
[3:50:41] executive
[3:50:41] session
[3:50:42] makausap
[3:50:43] po
[3:50:43] itong
[3:50:43] mga
[3:50:43] tao
[3:50:43] na
[3:50:44] ito
[3:50:44] para
[3:50:44] po
[3:50:45] matapos
[3:50:45] at
[3:50:45] makita
[3:50:46] natin
[3:50:46] po
[3:50:46] ang
[3:50:46] katotohanan
[3:50:47] Actually
[3:50:49] yun
[3:50:50] lang
[3:50:50] naman
[3:50:51] po
[3:50:51] yung
[3:50:51] huli
[3:50:51] kong
[3:50:52] tanong
[3:50:52] Mr.
[3:50:52] Chair
[3:50:58] na po
[3:50:59] yung
[3:50:59] ating
[3:50:59] kumite
[3:51:00] at
[3:51:00] magpatuloy
[3:51:00] na
[3:51:00] yung
[3:51:01] mga
[3:51:01] hearings
[3:51:01] I would
[3:51:02] be
[3:51:02] very
[3:51:03] interested
[3:51:03] kung
[3:51:04] mabigyan
[3:51:05] daan po
[3:51:05] ng
[3:51:05] chair
[3:51:06] yung
[3:51:06] executive
[3:51:06] session
[3:51:07] na
[3:51:08] minungkahin
[3:51:08] ni
[3:51:08] Director
[3:51:09] Matibag
[3:51:09] para nga
[3:51:10] po
[3:51:10] makausap
[3:51:11] yung
[3:51:11] ibang
[3:51:11] mga
[3:51:11] taong
[3:51:12] iyon
[3:51:12] na
[3:51:13] pwedeng
[3:51:13] magbigay
[3:51:14] ng
[3:51:14] buong
[3:51:15] katotohanan
[3:51:15] and
[3:51:16] napaka
[3:51:17] interesante
[3:51:17] pong
[3:51:18] makausap
[3:51:18] din
[3:51:19] si
[3:51:19] Mr.
[3:51:19] Buduan
[3:51:20] so
[3:51:21] sana
[3:51:21] po
[3:51:21] ay
[3:51:22] ma
[3:51:24] find
[3:51:24] within
[3:51:25] themselves
[3:51:25] nung
[3:51:28] tawag
[3:51:31] nito
[3:51:32] bigyan
[3:51:32] ng
[3:51:32] respeto
[3:51:33] ang
[3:51:33] ipadadalang
[3:51:34] imbitasyon
[3:51:35] ng
[3:51:35] komite
[3:51:36] sa kanila
[3:51:36] sa susunod
[3:51:37] po
[3:51:37] na
[3:51:37] pagdinig
[3:51:38] ng
[3:51:38] fully
[3:51:39] constituted
[3:51:39] committee
[3:51:40] salamat
[3:51:40] po
[3:51:40] Mr.
[3:51:40] Chair
[3:51:41] Thank you
[3:51:41] Senator
[3:51:41] Rizanoted
[3:51:42] Go ahead
[3:51:43] Senator
[3:51:44] Rafi
[3:51:44] Okay
[3:51:45] kasi
[3:51:46] ganina
[3:51:46] nababanggit
[3:51:47] ni
[3:51:47] Attorney
[3:51:47] Matibag
[3:51:48] paulit
[3:51:48] ulit
[3:51:49] si
[3:51:49] Buduan
[3:51:50] ano
[3:51:50] mga
[3:51:51] Buduan
[3:51:52] saka
[3:51:53] Baligod
[3:51:54] so
[3:51:55] sila
[3:51:56] yung
[3:51:56] nag
[3:51:57] recruit
[3:51:57] dito
[3:51:58] sa
[3:51:58] labing
[3:51:58] walo
[3:51:59] and
[3:52:00] meron
[3:52:00] pang
[3:52:00] sinasabing
[3:52:01] nga
[3:52:01] nagbayaran
[3:52:02] nagtawaran
[3:52:02] etc
[3:52:03] wala bang
[3:52:04] pwedeng
[3:52:05] maikaso
[3:52:05] dito
[3:52:06] sa dalawang
[3:52:06] personalidad
[3:52:07] na nabanggit
[3:52:08] na sila
[3:52:08] yung
[3:52:08] nagre-recruit
[3:52:09] sa mga
[3:52:09] tao
[3:52:10] para
[3:52:10] magsinungaling
[3:52:11] at
[3:52:11] babayaran
[3:52:12] itong
[3:52:12] mga
[3:52:13] tao
[3:52:13] ito
[3:52:13] kapag
[3:52:14] itong
[3:52:14] mga
[3:52:14] tao
[3:52:14] itong
[3:52:14] labing
[3:52:15] walong
[3:52:15] kargador
[3:52:16] eventually
[3:52:16] may mga
[3:52:17] magkakaso
[3:52:17] sa kanila
[3:52:18] kung
[3:52:18] sino man
[3:52:18] yun
[3:52:19] hindi
[3:52:19] natin
[3:52:19] alam
[3:52:19] dahil
[3:52:20] nga
[3:52:20] sa
[3:52:20] pagsinungaling
[3:52:20] last
[3:52:21] hearing
[3:52:21] yung
[3:52:22] last
[3:52:22] press
[3:52:23] conference
[3:52:23] kawawa
[3:52:26] naman
[3:52:26] yung
[3:52:26] labing
[3:52:27] walong
[3:52:27] kargador
[3:52:27] so
[3:52:28] itong
[3:52:28] dalawa
[3:52:29] na nagrecruit
[3:52:30] wala bang
[3:52:30] kaso
[3:52:31] para sa
[3:52:31] kanila
[3:52:31] Mr.
[3:52:33] Chair
[3:52:34] katunayan
[3:52:34] may mga
[3:52:34] kaso
[3:52:35] na pong
[3:52:35] na-file
[3:52:36] sa kanila
[3:52:36] yung
[3:52:37] mga
[3:52:37] binanggit
[3:52:38] po
[3:52:38] na
[3:52:38] pangalan
[3:52:39] I think
[3:52:39] may mga
[3:52:40] nagkaso
[3:52:40] na po
[3:52:41] at
[3:52:41] sa amin
[3:52:41] din po
[3:52:42] meron
[3:52:42] pong
[3:52:42] nakapending
[3:52:43] kaming
[3:52:43] mga
[3:52:43] investigation
[3:52:44] na
[3:52:45] ang
[3:52:45] kaso
[3:52:45] naman
[3:52:45] ang
[3:52:46] ikinaso
[3:52:46] naman
[3:52:46] po
[3:52:51] nakasuhan
[3:52:52] si
[3:52:52] Atty.
[3:52:53] Malikod
[3:52:54] pero
[3:52:54] ang
[3:52:54] NBI
[3:52:54] po
[3:52:55] itself
[3:52:55] hindi
[3:52:56] pa
[3:52:56] po
[3:52:56] namin
[3:52:56] maitulak
[3:52:57] na kami
[3:52:57] ang
[3:52:57] magkaso
[3:52:58] hanggat
[3:52:58] na
[3:52:59] amin
[3:52:59] pong
[3:53:00] mabuo
[3:53:00] finally
[3:53:01] yung
[3:53:01] kabuan
[3:53:02] ng
[3:53:02] story
[3:53:03] nito
[3:53:03] na
[3:53:03] kwento
[3:53:04] kaya
[3:53:04] sabi ko
[3:53:04] po
[3:53:04] this
[3:53:05] is
[3:53:05] an
[3:53:05] open
[3:53:05] and
[3:53:05] shot
[3:53:06] case
[3:53:06] kasi
[3:53:06] po
[3:53:06] may
[3:53:07] mga
[3:53:07] nasasara
[3:53:08] kami
[3:53:08] pero
[3:53:08] meron
[3:53:09] pa
[3:53:09] rin
[3:53:09] mga
[3:53:10] pumapasok
[3:53:10] na
[3:53:10] informasyon
[3:53:11] kagaya
[3:53:11] po
[3:53:11] nung
[3:53:12] galing
[3:53:13] kay
[3:53:13] Mr.
[3:53:13] Ragasa
[3:53:14] na
[3:53:14] binigay
[3:53:15] kaya
[3:53:16] po
[3:53:16] bubuwin
[3:53:17] po
[3:53:17] namin
[3:53:18] yun
[3:53:18] at
[3:53:18] pag
[3:53:18] natapos
[3:53:19] po
[3:53:19] we
[3:53:19] will
[3:53:19] come
[3:53:19] out
[3:53:20] with
[3:53:20] the
[3:53:20] recommendation
[3:53:20] and
[3:53:21] if
[3:53:21] charges
[3:53:21] can be
[3:53:22] filed
[3:53:23] following
[3:53:23] the
[3:53:24] MC20
[3:53:24] na
[3:53:24] po
[3:53:25] ng
[3:53:25] Department
[3:53:26] of
[3:53:26] Justice
[3:53:26] magkakaso
[3:53:27] naman
[3:53:28] po
[3:53:28] tayo
[3:53:28] dyan
[3:53:28] Thank you
[3:53:29] Mr.
[3:53:29] Chair
[3:53:29] Thank you
[3:53:30] For
[3:53:31] the
[3:53:31] record
[3:53:32] si
[3:53:33] Attorney
[3:53:34] Balikod
[3:53:34] po
[3:53:34] at
[3:53:35] yung
[3:53:35] labing
[3:53:35] walong
[3:53:36] bodyguards
[3:53:36] nasa
[3:53:37] taas
[3:53:37] pa rin
[3:53:38] po
[3:53:38] at
[3:53:38] patuloy
[3:53:38] po
[3:53:39] pagbibigaya
[3:53:39] ng
[3:53:40] press
[3:53:40] conference
[3:53:41] medyo
[3:53:42] maging
[3:53:42] kanilang
[3:53:43] mga
[3:53:43] pahayag
[3:53:43] po
[3:53:43] sa
[3:53:44] media
[3:53:44] eh
[3:53:45] nagka
[3:53:45] balibaliko
[3:53:47] na
[3:53:47] dahil
[3:53:48] kanina
[3:53:48] sabi
[3:53:48] nila
[3:53:49] wiling
[3:53:49] po
[3:53:49] silang
[3:53:49] buwaba
[3:53:50] eh
[3:53:51] then
[3:53:51] kumambiy
[3:53:51] naman
[3:53:52] po
[3:53:52] si
[3:53:52] Attorney
[3:53:53] Balikod
[3:53:53] sabi
[3:53:54] naman
[3:53:54] po
[3:53:54] eh
[3:53:54] ayon
[3:53:55] buwaba
[3:53:55] dahil
[3:53:55] baka
[3:53:56] masight
[3:53:56] daw
[3:53:56] sila
[3:53:56] ng
[3:53:57] contempt
[3:53:57] ng
[3:53:58] committee
[3:53:58] na
[3:53:58] ito
[3:53:59] dahil
[3:53:59] sa
[3:53:59] umano
[3:54:00] ipag
[3:54:00] titig
[3:54:01] isipin
[3:54:02] natin
[3:54:02] nagsisin
[3:54:08] tatlong
[3:54:09] beses
[3:54:10] na po
[3:54:10] simula
[3:54:10] kanina
[3:54:11] po
[3:54:11] na
[3:54:11] magumpisa
[3:54:11] tayo
[3:54:12] eh
[3:54:12] as
[3:54:12] 9
[3:54:12] pasado
[3:54:13] hanggang
[3:54:13] ngayon
[3:54:14] eh
[3:54:15] ayaw
[3:54:15] po
[3:54:15] nilang
[3:54:15] bumaba
[3:54:16] despite
[3:54:17] the
[3:54:17] fact
[3:54:17] na
[3:54:18] mainutusan
[3:54:18] na po
[3:54:19] tayo
[3:54:19] sa
[3:54:19] blue
[3:54:19] ribbon
[3:54:20] secretariat
[3:54:21] wala
[3:54:22] po
[3:54:22] silang
[3:54:22] sagot
[3:54:23] patpatuloy
[3:54:23] po
[3:54:24] kanila
[3:54:24] pag
[3:54:24] bibigay
[3:54:25] ng
[3:54:25] press
[3:54:25] con
[3:54:26] nililin
[3:54:27] lang
[3:54:27] din po
[3:54:28] nilang
[3:54:28] sambayanan
[3:54:29] oo
[3:54:29] pero
[3:54:30] mamaya
[3:54:30] maya
[3:54:31] sinasabi
[3:54:31] eh
[3:54:32] hindi
[3:54:32] na lamang
[3:54:33] po
[3:54:33] so
[3:54:34] sa
[3:54:35] ngayon po
[3:54:35] ayaw po
[3:54:36] talaga
[3:54:36] nilang
[3:54:36] umaten
[3:54:37] mga
[3:54:38] kasama
[3:54:39] na
[3:54:39] dito
[3:54:40] po
[3:54:40] sa ating
[3:54:40] ipinatawag
[3:54:41] po
[3:54:42] na
[3:54:42] meeting
[3:54:42] well
[3:54:43] it
[3:54:43] makes
[3:54:44] us
[3:54:44] question
[3:54:45] ikang
[3:54:45] their
[3:54:46] credibility
[3:54:47] at
[3:54:47] kanila
[3:54:48] pong
[3:54:48] motivo
[3:54:48] pumunta
[3:54:49] po
[3:54:49] sila
[3:54:50] dito
[3:54:50] pero
[3:54:50] ay
[3:54:50] naman
[3:54:51] po
[3:54:51] nilang
[3:54:51] bumaba
[3:54:52] dito
[3:54:52] sa
[3:54:53] meeting
[3:54:54] po
[3:54:54] na
[3:54:55] ito
[3:54:55] eh
[3:54:56] parang
[3:54:56] ito
[3:54:57] po
[3:54:57] isang
[3:54:57] kanila
[3:54:58] po
[3:54:58] ang
[3:54:58] press
[3:54:59] release
[3:54:59] isa
[3:55:00] pong
[3:55:00] optics
[3:55:01] para
[3:55:01] sabihin
[3:55:02] po
[3:55:02] na
[3:55:02] dumalo
[3:55:02] sila
[3:55:03] rito
[3:55:03] pero
[3:55:04] sa
[3:55:04] totoo
[3:55:05] po
[3:55:05] ilang
[3:55:05] beses
[3:55:06] po
[3:55:06] nating
[3:55:06] inibitahan
[3:55:07] ayaw
[3:55:07] po
[3:55:07] nilang
[3:55:08] bumaba
[3:55:09] po
[3:55:10] rito
[3:55:10] sa
[3:55:10] ating
[3:55:10] tanggapan
[3:55:11] and yet
[3:55:12] ang
[3:55:12] gusto
[3:55:12] lamang
[3:55:12] po
[3:55:13] nila
[3:55:13] mag
[3:55:13] press
[3:55:13] con
[3:55:14] na
[3:55:14] mag
[3:55:14] press
[3:55:14] con
[3:55:14] po
[3:55:15] sa
[3:55:15] taas
[3:55:16] to
[3:55:16] our
[3:55:16] resource
[3:55:17] persons
[3:55:17] please
[3:55:18] submit
[3:55:18] the
[3:55:18] relevant
[3:55:19] documents
[3:55:19] and
[3:55:20] status
[3:55:20] updates
[3:55:20] of
[3:55:21] the
[3:55:21] to
[3:55:21] this
[3:55:21] committee
[3:55:22] at
[3:55:23] the
[3:55:23] appropriate
[3:55:23] time
[3:55:24] we
[3:55:24] shall
[3:55:24] determine
[3:55:25] further
[3:55:25] measures
[3:55:26] to
[3:55:26] ensure
[3:55:26] accountability
[3:55:27] we
[3:55:29] sympathize
[3:55:30] with
[3:55:30] the
[3:55:30] victims
[3:55:31] of
[3:55:31] the
[3:55:31] earthquake
[3:55:32] in
[3:55:32] Mindanao
[3:55:32] kaya
[3:55:32] po
[3:55:33] dalawang
[3:55:33] bagay
[3:55:34] tatapusin
[3:55:34] na po
[3:55:35] muna
[3:55:35] natin
[3:55:35] we
[3:55:35] suspend
[3:55:36] this
[3:55:36] meeting
[3:55:37] bilang
[3:55:39] pagalang
[3:55:39] po
[3:55:39] sa mga
[3:55:40] biktima
[3:55:42] po
[3:55:42] ng
[3:55:42] maltinding
[3:55:43] Lindol
[3:55:44] ngayon
[3:55:45] dyan
[3:55:45] po
[3:55:45] sa
[3:55:46] Mindanao
[3:55:47] at
[3:55:47] nakausap
[3:55:49] ko po
[3:55:49] ang
[3:55:49] ating
[3:55:49] acting
[3:55:50] senate
[3:55:51] president
[3:55:51] na
[3:55:52] anytime
[3:55:53] po
[3:55:53] ay
[3:55:54] pupunta
[3:55:55] ang
[3:55:55] mga
[3:55:56] miyembro
[3:55:56] ng
[3:55:56] majority
[3:55:57] block
[3:55:57] para
[3:55:58] marinig
[3:55:58] at makita
[3:55:59] po
[3:55:59] ang
[3:56:00] pangangailangan
[3:56:01] ng mga
[3:56:01] biktima
[3:56:01] po
[3:56:02] ng
[3:56:02] ikang
[3:56:04] Lindol
[3:56:04] at the
[3:56:05] same
[3:56:05] time
[3:56:05] since
[3:56:06] ayan
[3:56:06] naman
[3:56:06] po
[3:56:06] bumaba
[3:56:07] nung
[3:56:07] labing
[3:56:08] walong
[3:56:09] bodyguards
[3:56:10] kasama
[3:56:10] si
[3:56:10] attorney
[3:56:10] baligod
[3:56:11] so
[3:56:11] we
[3:56:12] hereby
[3:56:12] yes
[3:56:13] go ahead
[3:56:13] just
[3:56:13] very
[3:56:14] quickly
[3:56:14] mr.
[3:56:14] president
[3:56:14] at
[3:56:15] some
[3:56:15] iimbitayin
[3:56:16] po
[3:56:16] natin
[3:56:16] ulit
[3:56:16] itong
[3:56:17] labing
[3:56:17] walo
[3:56:18] na
[3:56:18] ito
[3:56:19] sa
[3:56:19] susunod
[3:56:20] na
[3:56:20] pagpupulong
[3:56:21] at
[3:56:22] at
[3:56:23] sa
[3:56:23] darating
[3:56:24] namang
[3:56:24] araw
[3:56:24] at
[3:56:25] proper
[3:56:26] time
[3:56:26] kung
[3:56:26] if
[3:56:27] they
[3:56:27] continue
[3:56:28] to
[3:56:28] refuse
[3:56:28] we
[3:56:29] can
[3:56:29] at
[3:56:30] the
[3:56:30] right
[3:56:30] time
[3:56:30] compel
[3:56:31] them
[3:56:31] to
[3:56:31] attend
[3:56:31] subpena
[3:56:32] them
[3:56:32] and
[3:56:33] if
[3:56:33] they
[3:56:33] refuse
[3:56:34] we
[3:56:34] can
[3:56:34] have
[3:56:35] them
[3:56:36] cited
[3:56:36] in
[3:56:37] contempt
[3:56:37] and
[3:56:38] may
[3:56:38] be
[3:56:38] arrested
[3:56:38] when
[3:56:39] the
[3:56:40] blue
[3:56:40] ribbon
[3:56:40] committee
[3:56:41] has
[3:56:41] been
[3:56:41] fully
[3:56:42] constituted
[3:56:42] for
[3:56:42] the
[3:56:43] record
[3:56:43] mr.
[3:56:43] president
[3:56:43] definitely
[3:56:44] vice
[3:56:44] chair
[3:56:45] kasi
[3:56:45] nga
[3:56:45] nagpupunta
[3:56:47] sila
[3:56:47] ating
[3:56:48] usina
[3:56:48] para
[3:56:48] nga
[3:56:48] insult
[3:56:49] pupunta
[3:56:50] sa
[3:56:50] tanggapan
[3:56:50] sa
[3:56:51] kasama
[3:56:51] natin
[3:56:51] na
[3:56:52] doon
[3:56:52] mag
[3:56:52] press
[3:56:52] conference
[3:56:53] ayaw
[3:56:54] pong
[3:56:54] matin
[3:56:54] na
[3:56:54] meeting
[3:56:55] pinapakita
[3:56:56] pong
[3:56:57] optics
[3:56:57] nila
[3:56:57] pumunta
[3:56:58] po
[3:56:58] sila
[3:56:58] dito
[3:56:58] matapang
[3:56:59] silang
[3:56:59] pumunta
[3:56:59] pero
[3:57:00] ayaw
[3:57:00] po
[3:57:00] nilang
[3:57:00] bumaba
[3:57:01] dito
[3:57:01] sa
[3:57:01] meeting
[3:57:02] na
[3:57:02] ito
[3:57:02] so
[3:57:03] before
[3:57:04] we
[3:57:07] suspend
[3:57:07] this
[3:57:08] meeting
[3:57:08] I would
[3:57:09] like
[3:57:09] to
[3:57:09] personally
[3:57:10] thank
[3:57:10] the
[3:57:11] majority
[3:57:12] block
[3:57:13] staff
[3:57:14] of
[3:57:15] blue
[3:57:15] ribbon
[3:57:15] committee
[3:57:16] OSA
[3:57:17] PRIB
[3:57:18] and
[3:57:18] all
[3:57:18] of
[3:57:19] senate
[3:57:19] staff
[3:57:20] faithfully
[3:57:21] fulfilling
[3:57:22] their
[3:57:22] duties
[3:57:23] and
[3:57:23] for
[3:57:23] showing
[3:57:24] up
[3:57:24] today
[3:57:24] despite
[3:57:25] the
[3:57:25] fact
[3:57:25] na
[3:57:26] mayro
[3:57:26] pong
[3:57:26] threats
[3:57:26] sa
[3:57:27] kanila
[3:57:27] na
[3:57:27] ididimanda
[3:57:28] sisibakin
[3:57:29] po
[3:57:29] ng
[3:57:30] minority
[3:57:30] block
[3:57:31] sabi
[3:57:32] ko
[3:57:32] naman
[3:57:32] po
[3:57:33] base
[3:57:33] po
[3:57:33] sa
[3:57:33] ating
[3:57:34] pong
[3:57:34] acting
[3:57:35] senate
[3:57:35] presidencia
[3:57:36] po
[3:57:36] ang
[3:57:36] bahala
[3:57:37] you
[3:57:37] are
[3:57:37] protected
[3:57:38] dahil
[3:57:38] may
[3:57:38] bago
[3:57:38] na
[3:57:38] po
[3:57:39] tayong
[3:57:39] acting
[3:57:41] senate
[3:57:42] president
[3:57:42] so
[3:57:42] with
[3:57:42] this
[3:57:43] this
[3:57:43] meeting
[3:57:44] is now
[3:57:44] suspended
[3:57:45] until
[3:57:45] further
[3:57:45] notice
[3:57:46] you