'I don't buy it': Nicolle reacts to Tucker Carlson's apology for helping to re-elect Trump

[0:00] my campaign forum we were implicated in this for sure yes it's not enough to say well i changed my [0:07] mind or like oh this is bad i'm out it's like in very small ways but in real ways you and me and [0:15] millions of people like us are the reason this is happening right now yes so i do think it's [0:21] like a moment to wrestle with our own consciences uh you know we'll be tormented by it for a long [0:29] time i will be and and i want to say i'm sorry for misleading people in it was not intentional [0:38] i don't know i don't know i just don't know like what did he not know before 2024 what was not known [0:49] donald trump had already grabbed women between the legs donald trump had already incited a deadly [0:54] insurrection tucker carlson had already concluded that donald trump was a quote demonic force so [1:00] i don't buy it i don't believe you tucker but that was tucker carlson for any suckers still watching [1:09] him apparently experiencing or at least projecting a brand new persona that embodies this regret and [1:18] torment and self-loathing for helping donald trump three times tucker helped him three times trump has [1:25] run three times tucker was there all the way it is interesting though because a lot of people still [1:32] watch him and listen to him and other right-wing podcasters seem to follow him people like megan [1:36] kelly it's another thing that trump has to grapple with it's another symptom of the public displays of [1:44] buyer's remorse that we are now seeing from key members of trump's winning coalitions and the waves of [1:50] rebukes for donald trump as his mega base splinters and grapples with what is very much in the public [2:00] behavior so erratic large majorities of americans find him temperamentally unsuited for the job he has [2:06] as well as trump's failures to make good on his campaign promises largely to keep america out of [2:12] wars or to release all the epstein files or to lower the price of anything the list goes on and on [2:19] i want to bring in media matters for america president andrew carazone joining me at the table [2:24] political analyst molly john fast she's the host of fast politics and a new york times contributing [2:29] opinion writer tim is still here angelo what do you think so i think you're right to pick up on [2:34] something is off there um i think there probably there probably is buyer's remorse but i think the [2:41] reasons are actually very unsettling and scary um and i think that there's sort of two things happening [2:46] at the same time here there are these things happening in the larger right-wing ecosystem that is [2:52] sort of undermining trump's political power these sort of fault lines that are turning into full-blown [2:56] cracks and fractures that are not going to repair and that's going to be something that is going to [3:00] plague trump now for the foreseeable future and then under the second layer to this is what what's [3:06] actually being said here because if you listen to the dialogue between tucker and buckley the remorse [3:11] that they're expressing is not that trump is being unreasonable it's that trump is being weak they start [3:17] they go in and discuss how he didn't do enough to crack down on the riots after george floyd they [3:22] say that was the first time that we knew something was maybe off because he wasn't aggressive enough [3:27] or they attacked him for saying that he didn't exercise his power after the 2020 election to [3:33] essentially overturn it and stay in power that he was too weak to do it or that he didn't defend the [3:38] january 6 rioters enough so their list of gripes and grievances sort of you know this is this moment [3:43] this catalyst because it is about the iran war but it's not that that is just that's the catalyst that [3:48] starts to get them to think okay here are all the things that he has not done enough of this is [3:52] our blood lust this is the story that they're telling this is the with the direction that that [3:58] they're trying to bring trump's base post trump and that's the scary thing for all of us to come to [4:03] terms with to put it simply you know they're basically mad that trump is doing foreign wars [4:09] as opposed to using all of his time energy and capital at home grinding immigrants and political [4:15] opponents and democrats with his boots that's what they're fundamentally mad about and that's really [4:20] different than some of these other fault lines like we've talked about in the past the broadcast [4:23] the manosphere that probably really just did both they wanted no new wars and they didn't necessarily [4:29] want full-blown fascism the way that tucker carlson and buckley are talking about and i think that's [4:34] the thing to keep in mind here is that they're giving us a keyhole view for where they're trying to take [4:39] things and so we can take both things to be true they have remorse but they also have an agenda that is [4:44] trying to steer the ship in a much scarier direction well i mean speaking of the manosphere [4:49] tim miller joe rogan um crawled back to the oval office and stood about as close as you could [4:56] physically stand to donald trump um it's in every picture uh he attended a an announcement about um [5:06] regulations around psychedelic drugs and their treatment of um depression anxiety here's john [5:12] stewart's take on that i broke in because it's so important and experienced an 80 to 90 percent [5:19] reduction in symptoms of depression and anxiety within one month can i have some please i'll take [5:30] trump won't be president forever and to be frank i don't think donald trump should treat that with [5:51] hallucinogenics anyway but if he did would we even notice if he took hallucinogenics he'd be like they're [6:03] eating the cats and dogs right near my beautiful and jeez it's been years since he's done anything [6:20] that made me laugh trump not john stewart um but i mean the point is a serious one like what what what [6:26] what would shock anyone anymore like posting a picture of himself as jesus and instead of saying it was [6:31] this doctor and saying i meant i was a doctor i mean we're there yeah i don't want to roll the [6:37] dice with trump on mushrooms so let's just not do that i do think there's like an important difference [6:43] between rogan and and tucker that i just i think it's important to share i i do believe that joe rogan [6:49] genuinely believes in the healing power of hallucinogenics and i think that he thinks he's using his [6:55] influence for good i plenty to criticize joe rogan about uh i think that continuing to nudge him [7:01] along away from trump is useful is he ever going to go have the scales fall from his eyes and go full [7:07] resistance i don't think so but i just i think there's something to be said for it the tucker thing [7:11] is different and malicious and it's most just in all the ways that angelo brought up but it's most just [7:16] in one other way i just want to be clear about tucker is a liar and a fabulous and a very convincing [7:23] one and he's very good he's very good at podcasting it's compelling like if you watch it he's entertaining [7:29] you can believe him he's good at faking his feelings about things but like as you said nicole [7:36] he we know from his private text he said trump was a demonic force he saw everything clearly [7:41] this is all part of his game like part of his modern day father coughlin gang which is extremely [7:47] pernicious and he's trying to advance horrible views and ideologies into the public sphere [7:52] and so i'm begging people i think there are certain cases where there are right-wing folks [7:55] who are coming around on him and criticizing him even marjorie taylor green at times and certainly [8:00] thomas massey and others who it's worth as elevating them but if i had a dollar for every person who's [8:06] come up to me recently and said you know i just had to share this tucker carlson clip on instagram [8:10] because he was really making sense and it's just public service announcement don't do that don't do that [8:16] you're you're playing into his hands yes he can be a compelling demagogue but um but just because he [8:24] happens to agree with us on the iran war like does not mean that putting him into the feeds of people who [8:30] are susceptible to persuasion is a good idea psa