Disturbing Admission: Accused Killer Says He Planned to Hide Wife’s Body

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit more about some of the things in your apartment. Did you have firearms in the Mockingbird apartment? [00:00:06] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am, we did. [00:00:07] Speaker 1: What type of guns did you have? [00:00:10] Speaker 2: There was a SIG, SIG Sauer handgun, and then a Glock handgun in there. [00:00:15] Speaker 1: Who owned the Glock? [00:00:18] Speaker 2: It was a friend's. He lived in the barracks, so I told him he could register the Glock to my apartment. That way he didn't have to go through the long process of checking his gun in and out of the arms room when he wanted to take it out. [00:00:30] Speaker 1: So, who bought the SIG? [00:00:32] Speaker 2: I didn't. [00:00:33] Speaker 1: Who used the SIG? [00:00:36] Speaker 2: Mainly me, but Soraya was familiar with it. She had shot a very similar gun in the National Guard, and she was comfortable shooting it and carrying it as well. [00:00:46] Speaker 1: Where would the SIG normally be in your home? [00:00:49] Speaker 2: It would have normally been slightly under my bed by me. [00:00:58] Speaker 1: Did Soraya know where the SIG was kept? [00:01:01] Speaker 2: Yes. [00:01:16] Speaker 1: Soraya, I want to talk to you a little more now about your 21st birthday. [00:01:23] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. [00:01:36] Speaker 1: Were you excited to turn 21? [00:01:40] Speaker 2: Yes. [00:01:40] Speaker 1: Why? [00:01:41] Speaker 2: I could finally stop relying on people to buy alcohol. I could finally go into a liquor store and buy my own beer, buy my own liquor. And I could also buy my own tobacco products. [00:01:58] Speaker 1: Your memory of August 5th, 23, your 21st birthday, do you remember everything that happened that day? [00:02:05] Speaker 2: No. [00:02:05] Speaker 1: Okay. I want to talk to you a little bit about your memory the following days. Do you remember everything that happened from August 6th, 23 to August 11th, 2023? [00:02:18] Speaker 2: I do not. [00:02:21] Speaker 1: We saw in the course of this trial, we've seen cell phone records, for example. Does your memory work like a cell phone? Can you remember everything verbatim like a phone? [00:02:33] Speaker 2: No, ma'am. [00:02:33] Speaker 1: And the time from the morning of August 6th, 2023 to August 11th, 2023. You said your memory is not the best of that time. Why is that? [00:03:04] Speaker 2: I was just going through a lot of stress and processing a lot of different emotions. And it just all kind of felt like one really long day. [00:03:19] Speaker 1: When you look back on those days, do they feel real? [00:03:24] Speaker 2: No, it kind of felt like I was watching myself like third person almost. [00:03:33] Speaker 1: Has it been difficult to see what you've seen throughout the course of this trial about those days? [00:03:40] Speaker 3: Yeah. [00:03:44] Speaker 1: So let's go back to your 21st birthday on August 5th, 2023. What's the first thing you remember on that day? [00:03:52] Speaker 2: The first thing I remember was Soraya came home. She got a bunch of decorations and stuff. And I was a little upset because I didn't want my 21st birthday to be that big of a deal. I didn't really want to decorate for it. And I was a little upset, but we moved past it. It was nothing to like, it was nothing after that. After we moved past it, it was irrelevant. [00:04:19] Speaker 1: Did anybody that you're friends with come over to your apartment? [00:04:25] Speaker 2: Yes, Marie came over later that evening after we went out to eat. Because we all went to Dave and Buster's together. [00:04:31] Speaker 1: Where did you go out to eat? [00:04:32] Speaker 2: We went to Naruto's. It's a ramen slash sushi place in town. [00:04:38] Speaker 1: And do you remember if you drank there? [00:04:40] Speaker 2: Yeah, I did have a beer there. It was my first official beer, being 21. [00:04:45] Speaker 1: Do you remember what that beer was? [00:04:46] Speaker 2: I don't know how to pronounce it, but it was Sapporo's, I believe is how it's pronounced. [00:04:52] Speaker 1: And so you left dinner and went home and Marie was there. Was anyone else there? [00:04:59] Speaker 2: At that point, no. It was just me, Marie, and Soraya, my wife. [00:05:03] Speaker 1: And then you said you went to Dave and Buster's. [00:05:05] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. [00:05:06] Speaker 1: What was Dave and Buster's like? [00:05:08] Speaker 2: It was fun. We met a couple more people that were going out with us. We really wanted this pickle rick. It was about a three-foot-tall stuffed animal that we really wanted. So, like, it was my main objective that night to get the pickle rick. [00:05:24] Speaker 1: Did you drink at Dave and Buster's? [00:05:26] Speaker 2: I don't remember. [00:05:28] Speaker 1: Were you buzzed at Dave and Buster's? [00:05:29] Speaker 2: At that point, yeah. I had a buzz. [00:05:33] Speaker 1: How much did you drink before you went to Dave and Buster's? [00:05:41] Speaker 2: Maybe five or six beers. [00:05:46] Speaker 1: Where did you go after Dave and Buster's? [00:05:48] Speaker 2: After Dave and Buster's, we then went back to our apartment, did an outfit change, and waited for a couple other people to come over. At that point, there was three guys there. We shotgunned a beer together, and then one of the guys left, and then me, Marie, Isaac, and my wife went to, Ubered to Willowaw. [00:06:13] Speaker 1: Had you ever been to the Willowaw before? [00:06:16] Speaker 2: I had not. [00:06:19] Speaker 1: Do you recall what you were drinking at the Willowaw? [00:06:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, initially we were taking shots, and then started drinking trash cans and AMFs. [00:06:30] Speaker 1: And AMF, that has a name. [00:06:37] Speaker 2: Yeah, AMF is an abbreviation. [00:06:40] Speaker 1: Without saying the last word of it, what are the first two words? [00:06:45] Speaker 2: Adios, mother, ever, is what the AMF stands for. [00:06:50] Speaker 1: Are those strong? [00:06:52] Speaker 2: Yes. [00:06:54] Speaker 1: How many of those did you have? [00:06:56] Speaker 2: At least two, and then I also had at least two trash cans, which the trash can and AMF are essentially the same drink, except for the trash can has a Red Bull, like, on top of it. [00:07:11] Speaker 1: And you were doing shots? [00:07:13] Speaker 2: Yes, before I started drinking mixed drinks, we were taking shots. [00:07:16] Speaker 1: How many shots did you do? [00:07:18] Speaker 2: At least four. It was probably more than that, though. [00:07:23] Speaker 1: Do you remember what time you got to the Willowaw? [00:07:27] Speaker 2: No, at that point I was somewhere in between buzzed and drunk, so I didn't really check my phone frequently throughout the night. [00:07:41] Speaker 1: Do you remember leaving the Willowaw? [00:07:42] Speaker 2: I do not. [00:07:44] Speaker 1: Okay. Mr. Hildebrandt, I'm going to, um, we're going to put on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the... [00:07:56] Speaker ?: I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. [00:08:13] Speaker 1: I'm going to have to turn on the screen. 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I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. [00:11:09] Speaker 1: I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. I'm going to have to turn on the screen. [00:11:13] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:11:14] Speaker 1: Based on your memory, do you have any idea where this was taken? No. But you've seen it in the trial? Yes. Okay. How would you describe yourself in this photo? [00:11:30] Speaker 2: Um, passed out drunk. [00:11:43] Speaker 1: I want to talk now about where you live. You said you lived in an apartment on Mockingbird Drive, apartment 13? Yes, ma'am. And you've seen in the course of this trial, have you seen the plaintiff exhibit exhibit 17? I have. [00:12:14] Speaker ?: And I don't know if we could get a, the laser. [00:12:19] Speaker 1: Can you show the jury with the laser pointer on the screen? Where your apartment was in plaintiff exhibit 17? Yes, ma'am. It was right about there. And where would you walk the dogs? Um, this area right here usually from here. And then there's a park over here. We would sometimes walk them as well. [00:12:48] Speaker 2: And how many exits are there on your side of the building? [00:12:55] Speaker 1: From the building, can you show us? [00:12:56] Speaker ?: On the whole building or just? On your side of the building. [00:12:56] Speaker 2: Um, I'd say technically two. There's an exit right here. And then there's another exit right here as well. And where's your apartment relative to that? Um, I would say my apartment's right here. Um, I would say my apartment's right here. And then there's another exit right here. [00:13:03] Speaker 1: And then there's another exit right here as well. Um, I would say my apartment's right here and the exit's at this corner. [00:13:05] Speaker 2: exits are there on your side of the building? Can you show us? On the whole building or just? On your side of the building. I'd say technically two. There's an exit right here and then there's another exit right here as well. And where's your apartment relative to that? I would say my apartment's right here and the exit's at this corner. Okay. Thank you. [00:13:35] Speaker 1: I have another question just to clarify, clear something up. You've seen plaintiff at 335? [00:13:50] Speaker 2: I have, yes. Do you know who that is? Yes. Who's that? That's just someone I went to, I was in the basic [00:14:00] Speaker 1: training and then AIT with as well. Okay. Um, did you have any reason to suspect any sorts of affairs or anything like that with this person? No, that was one of my friends. Okay. And plaintiff's exhibit 98. [00:14:22] Speaker 2: Do you recognize that? Yes, ma'am. What is that? Um, that'd be the Glock that I, uh, [00:14:27] Speaker 1: I kept at my apartment for my friend. Thank you. I want to talk a little bit about your apartment and where you live. And while I do that, I want, um, I want to talk about the apartment you live, specifically the apartment complex. Yes, ma'am. And your apartment building. And while we do that, I, would it be helpful for you when we're talking about your apartment to have a diagram of it? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Um, Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. [00:15:25] Speaker 4: Judge, if I can approach with... You're wanting him to sketch out the layout? Yes, judge. Do you have an easel? Yes, judge. I think. Right. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. [00:15:37] Speaker ?: Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Do you recall the layout of your apartment? Yes, ma'am. [00:16:23] Speaker 4: I'm looking on this. Do we have the easel that we use for the...it's already...it might be easier than wrestling with that. Yeah. Let's get together. Okay. Thank you, ma'am, Gordon. [00:17:37] Speaker 1: I'm sorry, it's all I'm working on this. If you could take your microphone and come into the well. [00:17:46] Speaker 2: Walk around? Yeah. Let's go. [00:18:07] Speaker 1: So is it a marker? [00:18:29] Speaker 4: Yes ma'am. You folks all see. [00:18:35] Speaker 1: So can you draw that outline of your apartment? [00:18:45] Speaker 2: Yes ma'am. [00:18:47] Speaker 1: Starting with the walls. [00:18:50] Speaker 2: Just the... [00:18:51] Speaker 1: Just the outside, like the box. [00:18:53] Speaker 2: Okay. [00:19:04] Speaker 1: Can you draw where the front door is? [00:19:08] Speaker 2: Yes ma'am. [00:19:14] Speaker 1: And what is to your immediate left when you come to the front door? [00:19:22] Speaker 2: Yes ma'am. After you come to the front door, there's a closet right here. There's a little closet. It's just coats and shoes. [00:19:35] Speaker 1: Where's the kitchen? Where's the kitchen? [00:19:37] Speaker 2: The kitchen is down a hallway over here in this corner right here. [00:19:46] Speaker 1: Where is the dining room? [00:19:50] Speaker 2: Directly next to the kitchen. That wouldn't really consider a dining room. We just had a kitchen table right here. Or a dining room table I would say. [00:19:59] Speaker 1: Where's the living room? The living room. [00:20:01] Speaker 2: The living room is over here. [00:20:02] Speaker ?: You want to draw it? [00:20:03] Speaker 2: Okay. Like here. Sorry the proportions aren't really the best, but I'd say that's the living room. [00:20:13] Speaker ?: Where was your bedroom? [00:20:14] Speaker 1: Where was your bedroom? [00:20:17] Speaker 2: My bedroom would have been over here. And you have dogs? [00:20:21] Speaker ?: Yes ma'am. Where was the dog room? [00:20:23] Speaker 2: It would have been the second bedroom in the apartment. [00:20:38] Speaker ?: Where was the bathroom? The bathroom was kind of right here. Was there a hall within the bathroom in the room? Yeah, there was a little hall. It had a little closet over here on this side. And then a closet, bigger closet over here on this side. [00:20:42] Speaker 2: And then a closet, bigger closet over here on this side. And then the hall led through here. [00:20:49] Speaker ?: And then the hall led through here. [00:20:52] Speaker 1: And then a closet, bigger closet over here on this side. And then the hall led through here. [00:20:59] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a little hall. It had a little closet over here on this side. And then a closet, a bigger closet over here on this side. And then the hall led through here. [00:21:13] Speaker 1: Is there a door for that? [00:21:15] Speaker 2: A little slider door, I guess, is what you could call it, like an accordion-style door. That's the best way I could describe it. [00:21:22] Speaker 1: Was there another bathroom door? [00:21:24] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. There was another bathroom door. I can't make the bathroom any bigger, but right here was the other bathroom door. [00:21:37] Speaker 1: Is this the scale? [00:21:38] Speaker 2: No, not even close. [00:21:41] Speaker 1: Does this reflect your memory of kind of the basic outline of the apartment on Las Vegas? [00:21:50] Speaker 2: Very basic, yes. [00:21:52] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:21:53] Speaker 1: While you're there, I want to ask you some questions. [00:21:55] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. [00:21:56] Speaker 4: Mr. Hillbrand, do you want to just step aside for a minute? Oh, yes, sir. I think some of them you're blocking there. There we go. That's probably better if you're on that side. [00:22:18] Speaker 1: So, can you explain this? Where's the front door again? [00:22:37] Speaker 2: This is the front door, 13. [00:22:40] Speaker 1: So, when you come in the front door, what do you normally do? [00:22:43] Speaker 2: It depends on what's going on. Usually, I'll go over here to the living room. I didn't live that. I usually go over to the living room, take my boots off, and then, like, start relaxing from the day. [00:22:59] Speaker 1: Is there anything missing from your apartment here? [00:23:02] Speaker 2: Some doors, some furniture, stuff like that. [00:23:05] Speaker 1: Can you put some doors? [00:23:06] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. There's a door to the main bedroom right here, and another door to the dog room right here. [00:23:13] Speaker 1: And, is there, um, where's the, where's the couch right now? [00:23:19] Speaker 2: So, we had two couches. There was one right here. And then, I'll draw that so it's a little bit better. And then there was another one right here. [00:23:36] Speaker 1: And where was the bed in the bedroom? [00:23:38] Speaker 2: The bed in the bedroom was on this corner right here. Facing, like, our feet would have been facing the door. [00:23:49] Speaker 1: So, let's talk about some of the space exhibits that we've seen. Let's talk about the exhibit 61. [00:24:02] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. [00:24:03] Speaker 1: And we're going to have it displayed up here, too. Zarius, do you recognize the state's exhibit 61? [00:24:17] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. [00:24:18] Speaker 1: Where is it on your map? [00:24:21] Speaker 2: On my map, I would say state's exhibit 61 is here. It's, like, right after you walk past the first little tiny closet, going into the hallway that leads to the bedrooms and then the bathrooms. The bedrooms being here and then the bathroom being here. [00:24:42] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:24:42] Speaker 1: And so, can you explain the doors that we see? [00:24:47] Speaker 2: Yes. The door closest to, I'm going to say, the exhibit number is the dog room. And then the one furthest away on the same wall would have been the bedroom, the main bedroom, and then the one directly across from that is the bathroom door. [00:25:03] Speaker 1: Okay. And then state's exhibit 69. Do you recognize that? [00:25:15] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. I do. This is that little accordion-style door I was telling everyone about right here that is in the bathroom facing the main bedroom. [00:25:32] Speaker 1: And so, looking into the main bedroom? [00:25:36] Speaker 2: Yes. [00:25:37] Speaker 1: All right. And so, is there a hallway between the main bedroom and the bathroom? [00:25:41] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. That's what this little line is, a hallway. [00:25:45] Speaker 1: And state's exhibit 75. [00:25:51] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. I recognize this. This is a picture taken from our bedroom into the hallway. So, the picture would have been taken right here, facing this way out the door, into the bathroom. Right there. [00:26:08] Speaker 1: Is there a sink in your bathroom hallway? [00:26:12] Speaker 2: In this hallway, there's a sink. There's a little vanity sink, like, storage area. Do you want to draw that? Yes. Sorry. Once again. Hold that. Sink. [00:26:29] Speaker 1: Can you show again exactly where, how that would look on this map? [00:26:40] Speaker 2: Yeah. So, if you're looking at the picture, the picture is getting took from right here, looking this way, but you can also see into the hallway that leads to the bathroom, and you can see that, you can start to see the vanity sink area, uh, over here. [00:26:56] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:26:59] Speaker 1: State's exhibit, 72. [00:27:04] Speaker 2: Yes. So, if you saw the previous exhibit, that one was facing this way, and it feels like this one was just flipped around, and now that's facing, essentially, that's right after you walk into our bedroom. [00:27:18] Speaker 1: And we see, um, on the, right of the picture, there's a, there's a little dresser style thing [00:27:28] Speaker 2: with a TV on it. [00:27:29] Speaker 1: Is that a cube? [00:27:31] Speaker 2: Uh, it's, yeah, it's a cube, it holds, like, cube storage style for, like, all the clothes we folded. [00:27:37] Speaker 1: So, in the States of the 70s to, where would you normally keep your phone when you would go to school? [00:27:47] Speaker 2: Um, if you see where the, the, where the bed, it meets the sheet that's on the wall, right in that area. [00:27:59] Speaker 1: Do you keep it charged? [00:28:00] Speaker 2: Yeah, there's charges behind the sheet, and that's where we, that's just where we kept them charged, and that's where they were. [00:28:05] Speaker 1: So, you were phoned out on the bus? [00:28:06] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. [00:28:07] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:28:09] Speaker 1: Well, you see, in the exhibit, a pickle? [00:28:12] Speaker 2: Yes, that's, uh, it's pickle rig. [00:28:15] Speaker ?: Oh. [00:28:16] Speaker 2: Uh, we won it the night of my birthday. [00:28:21] Speaker 1: And this is space exhibit 76. [00:28:28] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. That's a better picture of the, the, the tiny closet I drew here, and then looking into the hallway that leads to the bathroom, you can kind of see the, the sink vanity area a little bit better. [00:28:42] Speaker 1: Okay, thank you. [00:28:43] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. [00:28:44] Speaker 1: And space exhibit 93. [00:28:50] Speaker 2: Yes, this is, um, the hallway leading into the living room. As you can see, there's a kitchen table, a kitchen, and then, uh, there's the, the sexual couch I drew right there, and you can start to see, uh, a coffee table. [00:29:05] Speaker 1: And, uh, it's exhibit 92? [00:29:12] Speaker 2: It's just a, another picture, it's more centered towards walking into the living room. [00:29:21] Speaker 1: Um, and where's the hallway on the picture? [00:29:25] Speaker 2: Um, on the picture, sorry, I'm gonna, this would have been the hallway, if I'm making this worse, but the hallway, and then there's like another hallway right here that leads in. [00:29:39] Speaker 1: On the picture, can you label the hallway as tile? Uh, yeah, sure. And then the living room and kitchen area, was that carpet? [00:29:46] Speaker 2: Yes, carpet. Okay. [00:29:48] Speaker 1: And then the living room, the kitchen was also like tile, the kitchen was also tile. And is this an accurate, the picture of your kitchen? Yes, ma'am. [00:30:13] Speaker 2: Uh, exhibit number? [00:30:14] Speaker 1: 103. 103. And do you see, uh, a fridge, can you point out the fridge in the kitchen? [00:30:28] Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, the fridge would have been like, in, right at the edge of the, the, the kitchen so this would have been the fridge. [00:30:34] Speaker 1: And we also see that there's kind of a, island, red balloon? Yeah, yeah. And on the other side of the kitchen, is this carpet? [00:30:45] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. [00:30:46] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:30:47] Speaker 1: Okay. [00:30:48] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. [00:30:48] Speaker 1: Um, I'm gonna leave that there and we can come back to it later. Yes, ma'am. If you wanna take a seat. [00:30:54] Speaker 2: Are you leaving that, do you love? [00:30:56] Speaker ?: Um, would you like, should I? [00:30:57] Speaker 1: Are you needing it? I'll take it, I'll put it down for now. Thank you. [00:31:00] Speaker ?: I'll put it down for now. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. [00:31:03] Speaker 1: Okay. Thank you. Thank you. [00:31:06] Speaker ?: Thank you. [00:31:06] Speaker 1: Okay. if you want to take this. Are you leaving that needle up? Um, we should, what would you like? Should I? Are you needing it? I'll take it, I'll put it down for now. Thank you. [00:31:37] Speaker ?: Thank you. [00:32:07] Speaker 1: Zarius, I want to talk a little bit about understanding the outline of your apartment a little better. What was the last thing you remember on your 21st birthday? [00:32:34] Speaker 2: Um, I remember, like, I wanted to call it a night. I remember, like, leaning on my wife and probably yelling into her ear that I wanted to go home, like, let's leave, let's go. [00:32:52] Speaker 1: Do you remember what time it was? [00:32:54] Speaker 2: I do not. [00:32:55] Speaker 1: Where were you? [00:32:57] Speaker 2: Um, we were still at Willowaw at that point. [00:33:00] Speaker 1: Okay. Zarius, where did you wake up on the morning of August 6th, 2023? [00:33:18] Speaker 2: I woke up in my bed. [00:33:25] Speaker 1: And, is that in your apartment? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Do you recall where your phone was? [00:33:33] Speaker 2: No. [00:33:34] Speaker 1: Do you recall where Soraya was? Uh, she was lying next to me. [00:33:39] Speaker 2: Do you recall what you were wearing? I knew I was wearing boxers, but no. [00:33:41] Speaker ?: Did you look for your phone when you woke up? I did. [00:33:43] Speaker 1: That was kind of the first thing I did. How did you feel in the morning? [00:33:45] Speaker 2: Um, hung over, times a hundred. [00:33:46] Speaker ?: Uh, still a little drunk from the night before. [00:33:46] Speaker 2: How did your head feel? [00:33:47] Speaker ?: Um, I felt like it was getting split in two. [00:33:48] Speaker 1: Um, I was still a little drunk from the night before. [00:33:51] Speaker 2: How did your head feel? Um, I felt like it was getting split in two. [00:33:54] Speaker 1: Where, did you look for your phone? Yes, ma'am. [00:33:56] Speaker 2: Um, I was still a little drunk from the night before. Um, I was still a little drunk from the night before. [00:34:04] Speaker 1: How did your head feel? [00:34:05] Speaker 2: Um, I felt like it was getting split in two. [00:34:09] Speaker 1: Where, did you look for your phone? [00:34:21] Speaker 2: Yes, ma'am. [00:34:22] Speaker 1: And it wasn't where you normally have it? Yes, ma'am. What did you do next? [00:34:28] Speaker 2: Um, I began looking for my phone with, by calling myself off of my wife's phone. Okay. [00:34:35] Speaker 1: I'm gonna show you the state of Exhibit 292. Sure. Can I get approached? Yes. [00:34:47] Speaker ?: Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. I do. What is that a screenshot of? [00:34:53] Speaker 1: Um, that's a screenshot of the two calls I placed to my phone off of Shariah's phone. And where did you go? [00:35:01] Speaker ?: Did you hear your phone? [00:35:01] Speaker 2: Oh, I heard it buzzing, but the ringer wasn't on. [00:35:15] Speaker 1: Okay, so it was on vibrate? [00:35:16] Speaker ?: Yes, ma'am. Yes, ma'am. And could you hear where it was coming from? Vaguely. [00:35:16] Speaker 1: Did you start looking around the apartment for it? Yes, ma'am. did you hear your phone oh i heard it buzzing but the ringer wasn't on okay so it was on vibrate yes ma'am and could you hear where it was coming from vaguely did you start looking around the apartment for it [00:35:41] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [00:35:48] Speaker 1: do you recall where you found it [00:35:56] Speaker 2: not really it was either in the little hallway that led into our bathroom or on our kitchen table i don't remember which one exactly [00:36:08] Speaker 1: do you recall what you did did you find it yes ma'am i eventually found the phone about what time was that how since how long had it been from the time that you woke up and couldn't find your phone to the time that you found your phone um five ten minutes it wasn't long [00:36:29] Speaker 2: did you remember what had happened the night before uh no like i said last memory i had was around this picture what did you start doing um typically after i go out and either pass out or forget what happens i go through social medias to try to like rejog my memory i check my bank account to see how much damage was done the night before uh stuff like that i did because i it usually helped me remember what had happened the night before [00:37:03] Speaker 1: did you look at your phone after you found it yes ma'am what did you look at um i remember checking [00:37:10] Speaker 2: instagram snapchat and um my bank account and stuff like that what did you find on snapchat um on snapchat i found uh on snapchat it tells you when you when you screenshot a chat and then when someone else screenshots a chat and i saw that i had screenshotted chats with cheyenne off my phone and that's when i checked my phone and saw that the screenshots were there and then saw that they were sent to my wife's phone and saw that they were on her phone as well how many phones did you have in your hand at that time uh i was had one in each hand [00:37:48] Speaker 1: and i'm going to approach with what's been marked as states exhibit 301 through states exhibit 310 [00:38:11] Speaker ?: um [00:38:22] Speaker 1: mr hilderrand do you recognize 301 through 310 uh yes ma'am i recognize all these what are those um [00:38:31] Speaker 2: pictures of me cheating with uh cheyenne about what time of year are those uh april april uh end of may of what year 2023 [00:38:53] Speaker 1: is that what you saw when you looked at your phone yes ma'am and did you see those also on saraya's phone [00:38:58] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [00:39:01] Speaker 1: what'd you think when you saw those photos on saraya's phone um [00:39:14] Speaker 2: thought in oh crap but in a much more vulgar way [00:39:20] Speaker 1: okay what was going through your head [00:39:33] Speaker 2: uh oh oh crap how can i how am i gonna fix this so what did you do um i went to the back into the bedroom and i was gonna ask my wife about it and um that's when i realized that she was no longer alive were both of your phones in your hand i had two phones in one hand and she was like partially covered i went to uncover her and essentially the first thing i saw was the gunshot wound to the um to my wife's head did you just appear uh i did not just because i checked for a pulse once i solved the gunshot wound and didn't feel a pulse [00:40:36] Speaker 1: what's going on in your head at that time um [00:40:42] Speaker 2: a lot um i just was confused um this is where the fear started to set in i was hurt and i basically didn't know what i was i didn't know what i was gonna do [00:41:12] Speaker 1: you support fear yes ma'am and hurt [00:41:18] Speaker 2: i had just discovered the body of my wife who i loved and that's gonna hurt anyone regardless of it's just something that hurts it's just something that hurts were you shocked i was confused [00:41:53] Speaker 1: and you said you felt fear yes had you ever felt a fear like that before no never once what were you afraid of um [00:42:11] Speaker 2: the first thing i was afraid of is having no recollection of the night before and just not knowing what happened and then after that is when the fear of just letting everyone that i loved down who were you afraid of letting down um specifically my my little brother mj why um so i'm very proud of being adopted and i'm very proud that i essentially got out of a life that wasn't good and i took a lot of pride in that and i wanted the people that i i was just really proud proud of being adopted i was proud of my family and mj was probably the most person the who i was proudest of out of my family was my little brother and i just didn't want to let him down how did you let him down um i felt like i was his role model like he wanted to be like me and i feel like i immediately assumed the worst in this situation as in what was going to happen next and i just saw someone that my little brother is someone that i relied on he relied on me just never talking to me again and just that the breakage of that such strong connection i had with him [00:44:01] Speaker 1: what would you you found your your wife deceased and you're afraid why are you afraid [00:44:35] Speaker 2: i was afraid why [00:44:40] Speaker 1: yes [00:44:44] Speaker 2: because of what was going to happen [00:44:47] Speaker 1: what were you afraid was going to happen um i was afraid i was going to lose my family [00:44:54] Speaker 2: i was afraid that i was going to go to jail for something that i had no recollection of um i just there's so many unknowns and i immediately assumed the worst and thought that i just assumed the worst [00:45:24] Speaker 1: and so we were afraid that you were going to your brother would disown you because you went to jail [00:45:31] Speaker 2: yeah [00:45:39] Speaker 1: were you afraid of what he would think what i would think what mj would think yeah were you afraid of what the police would think yes were you afraid of what your mom would think yeah were you afraid of what meredith would think yeah were you afraid that people would presume the worst yeah what do you do [00:46:25] Speaker ?: what do you do [00:46:29] Speaker 1: in that fear [00:46:32] Speaker 2: um i panic [00:46:39] Speaker 1: how long do you stand by the bed [00:46:44] Speaker 2: i i don't remember [00:46:49] Speaker 1: did you leave the bedroom at any point yeah [00:46:56] Speaker 2: did you go to the living room yes ma'am i after i left the bed right up sitting on the living room couch [00:47:04] Speaker 1: and did you have the phones with you yes ma'am [00:47:09] Speaker 2: what do you do with the phones um at that point i'm not sure which happened first i deleted the the screenshots off both phones and then i um texted her boss from her phone [00:47:39] Speaker ?: and then i did not see her phone with her phone with her phone with her phone with her phone [00:47:51] Speaker 2: why did you delete the pictures they're just it's shameful and embarrassing and just just seemed like the appropriate thing to do [00:48:04] Speaker 1: i just were you afraid of what people would see if they saw them think that i saw them [00:48:10] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [00:48:18] Speaker 1: i'm going to approach with what's been marked as plaintiff's exhibit 18. yes ma'am um what time what what do you recall about that um sending a essentially a call out text did you send the last message in statement yes ma'am i sent the message time stamped at 10 44. [00:49:03] Speaker 2: what does it say um it says hey this is sariah i can't make it into work today i went to jimmy's last night i'm pretty sure i got food poisoning from it so i'm sorry i would have called craig but i do not have his number saved sorry yes ma'am i was sitting on the couch [00:49:25] Speaker 1: what are you thinking when you send that um shame dishonesty um guilt are you guilty of when you're sending that um [00:49:44] Speaker 2: guilty of lying to her boss [00:49:50] Speaker 1: do you have any idea what to do in that moment besides [00:50:01] Speaker 2: stall no i at this point i was just trying just stalling was the only thing i could think to do [00:50:16] Speaker 1: and you said that at 10 44. yes ma'am how long have you been awake at this point [00:50:25] Speaker 2: um two hours [00:50:29] Speaker 1: and how many of those of those two hours how long had you known that your wife was deceased [00:50:39] Speaker 2: hour and a half [00:50:46] Speaker 1: and you didn't call the police no [00:50:59] Speaker ?: no [00:50:59] Speaker 1: you didn't call lex no why didn't you do their thing um [00:51:15] Speaker 2: goes back to the initial fear of the fear of what was going to happen [00:51:28] Speaker 1: were you afraid of being accused [00:51:30] Speaker 3: yes [00:51:37] Speaker 1: um i intend to go a little longer i don't know if we have a break this could be the breaking point [00:51:48] Speaker 4: all right this might be a good breaking point is that what you're saying okay we'll um i anticipate this is going to go for a while so let's take a break here please not discuss the case yet i'll have you back here about 15 minutes [00:52:03] Speaker 1: sorry before our break you were talking about the text message that you sent [00:52:09] Speaker 2: um what time what did you send that message um i sent that text message at 10 44 on sunday [00:52:15] Speaker 1: on sunday august 6th uh yes ma'am and to kind of recap what's going on through your mind when you're sending this message [00:52:26] Speaker 2: um i said previously just a lot of deception and shame guilt dishonesty [00:52:41] Speaker 1: do you recall what you did after you sent that message [00:52:48] Speaker 2: and then up into the entrance of the park [00:52:53] Speaker 1: and we have state exhibit 46 and we have state exhibit 46 can you mark your apartment on state exhibit 46 that's right [00:53:08] Speaker 2: the whole thing [00:53:10] Speaker 1: your side of the building and do you recognize did you do you do you know the path that you would have walked on this exhibit yes ma'am [00:53:34] Speaker ?: and you might that have a seat either and you might that have a seat either and you might that have a seat either and you might that have a seat either and you might that have a seat either and you might that have a seat either and you might that have a seat either and you might that have a seat either [00:53:49] Speaker 2: but it goes in between the the the park line but [00:53:57] Speaker 1: please have you been there before yes ma'am earlier that day yes ma'am and judge i will i'll see the difference exhibit d and the difference exhibit b all right thank you [00:54:16] Speaker 4: any objection [00:54:29] Speaker 1: sorry what time of day are you taking this walk [00:54:33] Speaker 2: um [00:54:36] Speaker ?: this is [00:54:39] Speaker 2: dark out beginning to get dark out [00:54:46] Speaker 1: what are you thinking while you're walking this path going out the back door to avoid the cameras walking a path into the park and you have your wife with you what is going through your heads are yes [00:55:06] Speaker 2: um the feelings of shame and anger are getting building up more and more um feeling of disrespect is building more and this just feeling so awful about myself what was going on [00:55:36] Speaker 1: did you feel like you were in a bad dream [00:55:39] Speaker 3: yeah the yeah every yeah [00:55:44] Speaker 1: did you wish someone could help you [00:55:51] Speaker 2: i still felt like there was no one to help me [00:55:59] Speaker 1: did you wish you could make it stop [00:56:03] Speaker 2: i yeah i just wish it was i don't want to say over but i think wish they could make it stop was a better way to put it [00:56:26] Speaker 1: sorry so i'm going to approach you now and say 49 and 230 uh yes ma'am i do um states is about 49 what is that [00:57:08] Speaker 2: um that's the access road that led to the cistern drainage pipe [00:57:20] Speaker 1: is that the road you walked on [00:57:23] Speaker 2: no ma'am [00:57:24] Speaker 1: okay it was different [00:57:25] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [00:57:26] Speaker 1: okay and what is state's exhibit 230 [00:57:35] Speaker 2: that's state's exhibit 230 is the the cistern [00:57:43] Speaker 1: do you recognize that place [00:57:44] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [00:57:48] Speaker 1: do you remember going to that place [00:57:50] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [00:57:52] Speaker 1: do you remember how many times you've been to that place [00:57:56] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [00:57:57] Speaker 1: how many times have you been there [00:58:00] Speaker 2: two that day [00:58:02] Speaker 1: on august 6th [00:58:03] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [00:58:05] Speaker 1: do you remember what you did there [00:58:08] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [00:58:13] Speaker 1: what did you do there [00:58:15] Speaker 2: um i remember lifting off the cover of the storm drain and then putting my wife's body down the storm drain [00:58:37] Speaker 1: what are your thoughts when you're doing this various [00:58:45] Speaker 2: more disrespect [00:58:46] Speaker ?: more disrespect [00:58:49] Speaker 2: more self-hatred um i remember i just felt so hollow and empty and just disgusted and hating what i was doing [00:59:17] Speaker ?: hating myself for doing it [00:59:23] Speaker 1: did you do anything else there various [00:59:26] Speaker 2: i put the manhole cover back on and then i i just left did you put pillows down oh yes ma'am i sorry in the trash can there was soiled bedding had blood and stuff like that on it and i put those down the cistern as well [00:59:53] Speaker 1: and when you went there you had a plan do you know what else was in your plan [01:00:07] Speaker 2: yes ma'am um i brought along a a gas tank to i was gonna burn the bedding but i decided not to i just decided to put everything down the cistern [01:00:35] Speaker 1: and then you what did you do next [01:00:39] Speaker 2: after i put everything down the cistern i put um manhole cover back on dropped the trash can off a little further into the woods and um at that point it was pretty early into the morning um i showered after returning to my apartment and went to work the next day this is the sixth leading into the seventh [01:01:10] Speaker 1: did you sleep that night [01:01:13] Speaker 3: no i uh didn't sleep [01:01:32] Speaker 1: and how did it feel going to work knowing everything that you had done [01:01:38] Speaker 2: um i was so overwhelmed that i don't remember anything from work that day i just remember feeling just so alone and like by myself [01:02:04] Speaker 1: i want to take you back a little bit to earlier in august six when you were cleaning the bedroom did you clean the mattress [01:02:21] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:02:23] Speaker 1: and what did you do when you were done [01:02:28] Speaker 2: cleaning the mattress yeah this point i started drinking started getting drunk [01:02:47] Speaker 1: i'm going to approach with states exhibit 166 [01:03:01] Speaker 2: yes ma'am i do [01:03:04] Speaker 1: what is states exhibit 166 [01:03:07] Speaker 2: um it's a picture of a of it was a picture of our mattress [01:03:13] Speaker 1: what direction is it [01:03:15] Speaker 2: it's facing upside down [01:03:19] Speaker 1: did you turn the mattress over [01:03:20] Speaker 2: i did [01:03:22] Speaker 1: when did you do that [01:03:23] Speaker 2: oh i did that after i cleaned everything up [01:03:38] Speaker 1: after you went to work on august 7th what's the next thing you remember [01:03:44] Speaker 2: um i remember i remember calling marie and telling her what had happened [01:03:59] Speaker 1: did you call did you call marie or did marie call you [01:04:03] Speaker 2: i think i asked to i think i used saraya's phone to call marie but [01:04:12] Speaker 1: okay why would you do that [01:04:14] Speaker 2: i didn't have marie's information [01:04:22] Speaker 1: and let's talk about some of the decisions and things you did on august 7th did you um did you talk to marie [01:04:37] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:04:38] Speaker 1: did you tell marie the truth [01:04:42] Speaker 2: i did not [01:04:45] Speaker 1: why [01:04:49] Speaker 2: um because at this point i wanted to at this point i wanted to follow what i was already committed to [01:05:13] Speaker 1: and were you scared at this point [01:05:24] Speaker 2: fear is something that is a constant during this whole experience so yes [01:05:36] Speaker 1: do you recall if you called a missing person's report [01:05:45] Speaker 2: i didn't [01:05:46] Speaker 1: were you with were you with someone else when they did [01:05:49] Speaker 2: i was [01:05:50] Speaker 1: and did you participate in the phone call [01:05:54] Speaker 2: i didn't [01:05:54] Speaker 1: okay and then do you recall if you spoke to a police officer and you provided a missing person's report [01:06:01] Speaker 2: i did [01:06:03] Speaker 1: and you didn't ask for help at that time [01:06:05] Speaker 2: no ma'am [01:06:07] Speaker 1: you lied [01:06:07] Speaker 2: i didn't [01:06:11] Speaker 1: do you remember if you ever called sariah's mom [01:06:15] Speaker 2: uh yes ma'am after we um after we made the missing person's report is when i decided to call sariah's mom [01:06:25] Speaker 1: how did that phone call feel [01:06:28] Speaker 2: um it once again it felt disrespectful [01:06:36] Speaker 1: why [01:06:36] Speaker 2: um because i knew that her mom was gonna fly halfway across the country to help with a missing person's case that i knew wasn't missing [01:06:54] Speaker 1: but you made the call anyway [01:06:55] Speaker 2: i did [01:06:59] Speaker 1: and you didn't tell the truth in that call [01:07:01] Speaker 2: i did not [01:07:08] Speaker 1: did you call hospitals [01:07:12] Speaker 2: eventually [01:07:13] Speaker 1: did you call jails [01:07:15] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:07:15] Speaker 1: did you call anywhere else [01:07:27] Speaker 2: no ma'am [01:07:31] Speaker 1: and how did it feel making those phone calls sorry is [01:07:55] Speaker 2: just the same feelings that more dishonesty more disrespect more shame [01:08:04] Speaker 1: felt shame [01:08:05] Speaker 2: yeah [01:08:12] Speaker 1: did you participate in a search party [01:08:15] Speaker 2: i did [01:08:20] Speaker 1: how did that feel [01:08:23] Speaker 2: um [01:08:23] Speaker ?: um [01:08:23] Speaker 2: it felt incredibly dishonest and disrespectful um essentially my family away from my family and then everyone else involved in my battery showed up and it just felt just just incredibly dishonest like people i consider family were there helping a search party someone that a lot of people that normally aren't emotional were showing me support um they were just showing me a lot of love for what was going on [01:09:13] Speaker 1: did you feel like you were betraying people [01:09:16] Speaker 2: yeah i felt like i was betraying my gun section my sergeants my just everyone [01:09:27] Speaker 1: but you participated [01:09:29] Speaker 2: i did [01:09:38] Speaker 1: do you remember when you spoke with detective clark and let him in your apartment [01:09:44] Speaker 2: vaguely [01:09:51] Speaker 1: did you tell detective clark the truth when you were speaking with him at your apartment [01:09:54] Speaker 2: i did not [01:09:56] Speaker 1: why not [01:09:58] Speaker 2: um for one i felt like i still had to stick to what i was committed to and then two um he's a detective so i just didn't feel like telling him the truth [01:10:30] Speaker 1: did you feel that if you told detective clark the truth [01:10:35] Speaker 4: sustained [01:10:45] Speaker 1: were you afraid of being a suspect [01:10:47] Speaker 2: yes [01:10:52] Speaker 1: is that why you were honest with the check of clark [01:10:54] Speaker 3: yes [01:11:06] Speaker 1: and you talked to multiple police [01:11:09] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:11:10] Speaker 1: when you were speaking with them were you afraid that you'd be viewed as a suspect [01:11:14] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:11:15] Speaker 1: and is that why you're not truthful with them [01:11:17] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:11:45] Speaker 1: do you recall going on your social media during this time [01:11:50] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:11:52] Speaker 1: did you post anything about saraya [01:11:54] Speaker 2: yes ma'am i made a facebook post of a flyer that um either her family made or that i made i don't remember which one but i remember essentially just posted on my facebook and telling everyone to repost it and share it [01:12:08] Speaker 1: how did that feel [01:12:12] Speaker 2: um misleading disrespectful uh i felt like i was essentially leading the whole world on to something that wasn't the truth [01:12:37] Speaker 1: i want to talk about states exhibit 132 and 133 yes ma'am what what are they [01:13:15] Speaker 2: um it's a suicide note [01:13:22] Speaker 1: it's a suicide note [01:13:23] Speaker 2: yeah [01:13:25] Speaker 1: did you write that i did do you recall when you wrote that [01:13:29] Speaker 2: um i want to say it was on the eighth but i don't remember [01:13:39] Speaker 1: what thoughts were going through your head when you wrote that [01:13:46] Speaker 3: i felt alone i felt like [01:14:01] Speaker 2: i just felt really alone and i just had nowhere else to go i felt back into a corner [01:14:16] Speaker 1: did you is every fact is every fact in that note true was arias [01:14:29] Speaker 2: um i'm not sure there's any facts in this note [01:14:41] Speaker 1: did you talk about saraya in that letter i did is there a reason why where she is is not included in that note [01:14:57] Speaker 2: yeah part of me was part of me was in denial [01:15:12] Speaker 3: i thought that even if [01:15:16] Speaker 2: i knew where she was but i just thought that maybe i would i just felt a lot of in denial [01:15:31] Speaker 1: do you remember where you were when you wrote that note [01:15:34] Speaker 2: yeah i was seen on my couch [01:15:35] Speaker 1: i'm going to see uh approach with what's been in this state's exhibit 136 do you recognize it's exhibit 136 [01:16:00] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:16:00] Speaker 1: is that the couch you were sitting on when you wrote that note [01:16:02] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:16:03] Speaker 1: what's in the couch [01:16:05] Speaker 2: it's a gun [01:16:07] Speaker 1: is that was that gun next to you when you wrote that suicide note [01:16:11] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:16:14] Speaker 1: but you didn't go through with that why not [01:16:26] Speaker 2: um and i didn't want to kill myself in my apartment [01:16:31] Speaker 1: okay did you have a plan about what you would do with your dogs [01:16:38] Speaker 2: yeah [01:16:39] Speaker 1: what was your plan [01:16:40] Speaker 2: i'm going to drop them off at a bed cleaning [01:16:57] Speaker 1: do you recall do you recall everything do you recall everything that you did between the time that you woke up and found your wife deceased in your bed and the time she was found where you left her i do not i want to talk to you about some of the things we've heard in this trial about what you were doing on your phone were you at any point in this time looking at pornography on your phone [01:17:36] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:17:37] Speaker ?: yes ma'am [01:17:37] Speaker 1: why were you doing that [01:17:42] Speaker 2: i was attempting to find comfort in things that previously provided it for me [01:17:55] Speaker 1: and is pornography something that you had found comfort in in the past [01:17:59] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:18:10] Speaker 1: is alcohol something you found comfort in in the past [01:18:25] Speaker 2: yes ma'am [01:18:28] Speaker 1: were you drinking in this time period [01:18:31] Speaker 2: yes ma'am yes ma'am [01:18:34] Speaker 1: why were you drinking [01:18:40] Speaker 2: i just did not want to be sober [01:18:48] Speaker 1: was the drinking in this time period to you the same as the drinking that you did on your 21st birthday [01:18:58] Speaker 2: no [01:18:59] Speaker 1: how was it different [01:19:01] Speaker 2: um the drinking i did to celebrate my 21st birthday was celebratory and this drinking was more to drown [01:19:18] Speaker 1: sorry where um was sariah's wedding ring on when [01:19:34] Speaker 2: you found her in the morning it was not where was it um she took all of her rings off before she went to bed they were found they were um they were they would have been in our bathroom the main bathroom with the toilet in the sink in the bathroom with the toilet and the sink in the bathtub in it [01:19:49] Speaker 1: did you move it or [01:19:51] Speaker 2: yes [01:19:52] Speaker 1: why'd you do that [01:19:58] Speaker 2: i didn't feel like i deserved it didn't feel like i deserved to have the ring in my possession [01:20:04] Speaker 1: so where'd you take it [01:20:06] Speaker 2: um initially i was gonna give it to her mom but i didn't have a chance um and it i just put both rings in my pocket and it's where they're at [01:20:28] Speaker ?: and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom and i was gonna give it to her mom [01:20:58] Speaker 1: Sorry, that's all the questions I have for you now.