Could Alaska’s Senate race become a criminal investigation? — CUOMO Full Show

[0:00] So the midterms, it's a lot of noise. This is what happens, right? [0:04] October surprise. Every day is an October surprise. Every day is spin. Every day is this. [0:09] Magonomics. That's what this is a referendum of. How do you feel about Magonomics? [0:16] Well, what is the proposition? This is what Trump and co are selling. [0:22] So the great big picture about this economy is that it's about the best economy we've ever [0:27] seen. What people are doing is they're acting like we're in a boom. And the reason they're [0:30] doing that is because despite what the polls say, we are in a boom. [0:34] The U.S. economy is booming at 3.4%, which is a historic economic level. [0:41] We are right now in the golden age of America. We have the hottest country anywhere in the world. [0:46] He created one of the greatest economies, maybe the greatest economy, definitely [0:50] the greatest economy in the history of our country. Two things. One, stop the prompter. [0:57] Just had a spontaneous insight for you. The president just did what I call the Trump [1:01] three-step, okay? He starts with a suggestion. Could be the best economy. Some say the best economy, [1:12] definitely the best economy, okay? That is called conning you. The con is confidence. [1:20] That's the Trump three-step. We are most certainly not in the golden age because any mediocre student of [1:26] history knows that that is a divine term. That is a defined term that refers to when? [1:31] The period after World War II. Why? Because we won the war? No. Because it was a time where the [1:39] economic engine of this country was tuned differently. How so? Productivity was seen as a byproduct [1:48] of corporate profit and what? Pass along to labor. And wages went like this. Do not believe me. [1:59] Go to chat GPT. Go to Google. Can you show me the wage and profit or productivity curve [2:08] of the 1950s and 60s? And you'll see this. All right? And then it switched. What he is doing right now, [2:19] the G in great is for the greatness of the gap that has expanded in income inequality back, [2:26] not to the golden age. No, no. You wish. Now, I don't wish overall. Why? Rights, suffrage, equality. [2:34] Terrible time compared to where we are now. He's talking about the gilded age. That's what he's [2:39] talking about. When you had the robber barons and the big, big, big, and everybody else was being abused. [2:46] So when people look at Magonomics, they miss the mark on the analysis. What they'll say is [2:53] everything he just said is a lie. But everything that they just said is not a lie. All of the [3:00] following things are true. The stock market broke 30 records this year. Private investment, [3:07] generational wealth, earnings, never higher. Corporate profits, especially in tech, suddenly, [3:14] I wonder why. In the energy sector? I wonder why. All up bigly. The question is who is included [3:23] in the we that Trump celebrates? The reason, despite what you say to me, I am sympathetic for the people [3:29] sitting behind him, is that they actually believe he's talking about them. But he is not. He is not [3:37] talking about a huge cut of what was the original MAGA coalition. You are not part of the we. [3:43] Perversely, you are now the them, not the us. And about nine in 10 of the American population [3:51] are not included. Nine in 10 of the small businesses, not included. Nine in 10 of our workers [3:59] are not included. You see, the forest is growing, but which trees? Magonomics only gives light and water [4:09] to a select few of the trees, throwing shade on the rest as they grow. Policies that benefit [4:16] the wealthiest few paid for at the expense of the many. What an opinion, not mine. Major economic [4:24] researchers reflected in demonstrable realities. A recent study analyzed Trump's major economic [4:31] policies, tax cuts, ACA subsidy laps, higher prices from tariffs, the war and the ice crackdowns. And they [4:37] found that every income group is losing money year over year, except one, the top 1%. Trump pitches you [4:48] a $5,000 check if they win. So you pay more of the gas pump and the grocery store, and they offer to [4:55] give everyone a check with the money that you are passing along to them with those price increases [5:01] to make up for their mistakes. You're paying for your own bribe? Oh, and by the way, that's socialism. [5:09] You're paying for this socialism. The first time I told you this, Magonomic Minion said, [5:16] no way. Then why is consumer spending up, Cuomo? Good question. With a good answer. Because the top 10% [5:24] of this country's earners accounts for nearly half of all consumption. K-shaped economy. Them, [5:32] like this. You, like this. Okay? Go ask the farmers that Trump crushed with his tariffs, [5:40] and now about to bail them out with your money. They took from Medicaid to pay for the tax cuts [5:45] to benefit the wealthiest few. They ignored the subsidies that 75% of you said that the ACA should [5:54] include. They did nothing. Now we're learning the ACA premiums are set to rise 15% next year [6:02] after already spiking by double digits this year. The administration allowed this $35 billion a year [6:07] ACA subsidy to expire while spending $47 billion on the Iran war. And today we're learning the war [6:17] and tariffs, inflation up again. They're leaving rates, but they are concerned about the continuing [6:24] increase in the rate of inflation. That's his guys that he just put in there. And it makes sense [6:31] that Trump said he's okay with the inflation. That he said he doesn't give a damn about gas prices [6:37] because we're making so much money. He's right. He's just not talking about you. Many of his economic [6:44] advisors and cabinet members are fat cat billionaire and millionaire investors. And his family is [6:48] absolutely crushing it. Usually presidents cash in after their presidency, right? That's annoying enough. [6:57] This family that rode into power on the wave of draining the swamp and stopping corruption [7:03] is doing the opposite right in your face. Hunter's laptop, Hunter's laptop. These kids are getting [7:10] defense contracts, businesses they don't know anything about. Maganomics is making people a fortune, [7:17] just not you. Half of Americans don't have $1,000 in cash for an emergency. And nearly two thirds of us [7:24] are living paycheck to paycheck. And now Americans are paying an extra $1,000 this year due to higher [7:30] fuel prices. We are paying an extra $1,000 on consumer goods due to tariffs. And families with [7:37] employer insurance are paying an extra 600 bucks on their health insurance premiums. And they're the [7:42] lucky ones. The good news, you are not powerless. Go vote. So do I have it right? The answer is yes. [7:52] Can it be argued still? Of course. And we do that now. Former New Hampshire governor, [7:57] Chris Sununu, whose brother happens to be running for Senate in New Hampshire and about Trump famously [8:03] said, never met the man. And host of the Progressive Progressive podcast, Mr. Chris Hahn. Chris, you are not [8:12] here to defend your brother. I use him as an aside, as happens to me every damn day. But in terms of the [8:19] analysis of Magonomics and what it means in the midterms, what is your take? [8:24] Well, yeah, look, the economy, it's the economy is stupid, right? It always is. And you're right. [8:28] What did you call me? It's the economy is stupid. I'm quoting, [8:31] I'm quoting one of your other guests on that one. Who are you, Anderson Cooper now? [8:35] So no, that is the line. And it really is. You can talk about all these other things during [8:39] elections. It always comes down to how folks are doing at the kitchen table and kitchen table issues. [8:45] It is definitely a K-shaped economy. I'm not here to defend anyone, but to say, remember, [8:50] this really started coming out of COVID, right? Because we had all the massive inflation, [8:53] the trillions of dollars of government money. Gasoline gets poured on the fire when you add [8:57] all the big tech stuff and the big tech boom that's been happening over the past couple of years. [9:01] And people are watching. They're watching what is happening. And it is looking to be a little bit of [9:07] the haves and the have-nots. Now, the answer is not more government and big government [9:11] socialism. And don't worry, we'll just get new government in there and it will solve [9:15] all your problems. That is not the answer. It's deregulation. It's opening the economy. [9:20] It's allowing all that money at the top, as you talk about, to trickle down, create jobs, [9:24] bring investment, bring innovation, and do it the right way. We haven't seen it yet. But [9:29] theoretically, that is exactly how it's supposed to happen. That's how it's always happened in this [9:33] country. And that's why this country has been so successful. [9:37] The country has been very successful because the working class was included in the productivity [9:42] model. Trickle down has never worked. I just read this Great Heritage Foundation treatise on [9:50] exactly this. That's why the Democrats have better economies, because they have invested in that group. [9:56] The top takes care of itself. Han, you should be happy to litigate the pandemic, because remind me, [10:01] who got us into it? Donald Trump got us into it and he failed to protect our economy during it. [10:09] We lost hundreds of, we lost millions of jobs. We lost a million people and we were not ready for it. [10:15] And he spent like a drunken sailor the entire time and then blamed Biden for the inflation that he helped [10:22] cause when he was president. So look, I think that this election is going to be about how people feel [10:29] right now, including a lot of people who used to be Trump voters, reliable Trump voters. I think right [10:35] now we are on a collision course for one of the largest waves we've seen probably since 2006. And I [10:43] think it's going to be very painful for a lot of Republicans. Good Republicans are going to lose their [10:48] seats, along with some of the people who have just been Trump sycophants. But when I watch these rallies, I [10:53] ask myself, are the people standing behind him benefit benefiting from this economy? Or are they [10:59] just there? Because we are we've become such a tribal nation that they don't know how to walk away. [11:05] And sometimes we got to say, look, you're not doing the job that we hired you to do. You are fired, [11:11] Mr. President. Well, look, if you don't win, you don't win. You don't win. Chris knows this because he's [11:17] been brilliant at it. And you know it too. Sununu has has won well at this. And Chris, you know it too. [11:22] You don't win by being competent. You win by being convincing. And the president was right about [11:27] what was wrong when he first got involved. He identified the right dynamics and the right bad [11:32] guys. OK, the referendum now is, is he anything better than that? Or is he worse? But Chris, [11:39] I have to tell you, it feels much closer than you are suggesting, because I do believe that while it [11:48] must be about Trump, it's a midterm while he's in power, you guys are seen as part of the feckless [11:55] as well. And some of your new candidates break out, but they come with baggage because of the S word [12:01] that Mr. Sununu and others can beat you over the head with it. Are you stepping on your own success? [12:08] And do you think that might affect the midterms? I think it could. I think you could very well see [12:15] races that we should win where we lose. There's one state that we've all been talking about, [12:20] Michigan. But if we win Michigan, it is going to be because this is a referendum on Trump and his [12:26] economy. And I do think we will win Michigan. But I also think we're going to win states where we have [12:32] no business playing in, like Kansas. Perhaps we're going to have a very close nail biter of a race in [12:38] South Carolina. I'm not ready to say we're going to win there. But the fact that Trump's not traveling to [12:43] Kansas this weekend, not traveling anywhere this weekend anymore. I think it says the guy's been [12:48] one. The president has been running around like crazy. You know what I mean? I don't know. [12:57] I'll tell you what's a better metric. I'll tell you what's a better metric. [13:00] Okay, Chris. And I'll give you the last word on this Republican PACs, super PACs and all the other [13:05] dark money that is choking us. They're moving it out of select house races and they're dumping it all [13:11] into the Senate races. And I think that's because the House, they're going to have trouble. The [13:16] Senate, you guys picked some candidates and messed up a couple of the races, in my opinion. And they [13:22] now see that they may be able to save themselves. Chris, are you seeing that or no? [13:26] No, absolutely. So a couple of things. In the last 48 hours now, Alaska is now more likely to go [13:32] for the right, Dan Sullivan, as opposed to Mary, because that's a complete ethical mess up there. [13:37] I think you're right. I think Texas is in trouble for Republicans. But I think extremists lose. I [13:41] think America is done with extremists, which is why Elsa is going to be done in Michigan as well. [13:47] And don't forget, in poll after poll, they're wrong, right? So let's look at a quick one. In Maine, [13:55] right, you have Senator Collins. She was supposed to lose by eight points last time. She won by nine. [13:59] You're talking to a guy that was supposed to lose by 11 points. On Election Day, [14:02] the polls had me losing by 11. I won by two. Especially in some of these, in the New England [14:07] states, you have conservatives or Republicans that just don't answer polls. They just don't come [14:11] out. So we're always massively under-polled. And the conservative states, it'll be close, [14:16] but South Carolina, Kansas, Iowa, they'll be fine. The three most loaded words, [14:22] we will see. It's true. Although I feel like Sunilu just admitted he rigged his election. [14:27] I don't know. He's down 11. The guy wins. I mean, it must have been rigged. [14:30] It must have been rigged. I mean, that's what we do these days, right? Nobody loses. [14:34] It's this incredible hair. It was my hair. Or it's rigged. [14:36] Hey. Let me tell you what it was, Chris. Hey, don't be talking about your hair, Sunilu. [14:40] But in truth, Chris Hahn, your mother loved you very much because your head is perfectly shaped. [14:45] So you were passed with love and she gave you a perfect shape. There you go. [14:49] Dolechocephalic head. So that works for you. But you, Sunilu, you know why you won. [14:54] You would work with anybody up there to come up with solutions that was reflecting [14:58] what that place, what you did on drug courts alone, because New Hampshire was getting devastated. [15:03] I mean, maybe, you know, his state was getting devastated. Actually, New Hampshire, Vermont, [15:08] you know, that whole belt was getting devastated. And he worked with people to show the mercy that [15:13] a drug court could be. And it was a bipartisan situation that saved kids and all kinds of families. [15:18] That's why you won. It's what Sunilu's do. It's what Sunilu's do, you know? So, [15:22] you're in it with a little shoe leather. I've dealt with generations with you guys. [15:26] Never met the man. It's still my favorite ad. I'm running, I'm John. [15:31] I mean, I met him four times. How did he never meet me? [15:33] Never met the man. It reminds me of the song, wasn't me. I saw you on the bathroom, wasn't me. [15:41] I saw you. All right, Chris, best to you. Thank you for coming on to argue the point. Chris, [15:45] Hahn, thank you as well, both. And we will see. And that's the beautiful thing. [15:49] We still got a chance in America. Get your ass out and vote. Four minutes and 50 seconds. [15:56] Coming up, the governor of Alaska just announced he may not certify the election. He may not. [16:03] Now, on what condition if wrongdoing is determined? Oh, wow. Why is that news? Is he supposed to say [16:12] he would even if there's wrongdoing? I mean, come on. That's not the question. A conservative [16:18] influencer, right-wing provocateur, has been charged with identity theft and unlawful voting. Why? [16:26] Posed as a Muslim. That's the part that really pisses me off. I'm not so sure that these guys tried [16:32] to vote, by the way. They may have gone too far. I'm not sure. But what's disgusting is who they chose [16:39] to be? Okay? Why did they choose it? Look at this. Look at this bullshit. Why are they doing this? [16:45] We discuss next. If I vote, she votes? Okay. [16:51] Fine. Is that correct? Yep. [16:56] Can I vote with that idea? Yes, if you're already in the system. Okay. Okay. [17:01] Then you can vote. You have Dan Sullivan, who's a great senator. You have another guy named Dan Sullivan, [17:12] who never even, I think, voted before. He didn't campaign. He was just put there as a fraud. And [17:19] it was done in conjunction with Schumer and everybody else. It's an absolute, it's called [17:24] voter fraud. Should not have been allowed to happen. Is it? Alaska Governor Mike Dunleavy just [17:32] announced that he plans to launch an investigation into the two Dan Sullivan spoiler scheme. And if any [17:39] wrongdoing is determined, he will not certify the results. Now that is the safe answer, right? [17:47] Who expects any governor to certify a result if there was wrongdoing, right? That's what the law is [17:53] about. The DOJ has also issued criminal subpoenas seeking grand jury testimony and documents along with [17:59] demands to preserve records. But was it a crime or is it just more proof of how this two-party system [18:06] sucks? Former federal prosecutor and district attorney Mimi Roach and Trump lawyer Jesse Benal. [18:12] It's good to have you both. Mimi, what's your analysis? So, Chris, I think you hit the nail on [18:18] the head, which is, you know, there's awful but lawful conduct. I'm not saying this was or was not [18:27] lawful, but it's certainly not, it's way too premature for certainly the attorney general, who's also [18:37] talking about it and saying, you know, there's fraud here. This, they showed through the lawsuit that [18:44] they're attempting to stop the certification of the election only if the president's candidate [18:51] doesn't win. They're not saying if there's anything wrong with the election. I mean, [18:56] which to your point would be obvious, of course, that shouldn't be certified by anyone. [19:00] But they're, they showed their hand by declaring that. And now, you know, the Democrats, frankly, [19:06] gave them an opening because they did something that while a lot, both parties do it, it's still [19:11] sleazy. I don't like it. That doesn't mean it's a crime. Not everything bad is a crime, [19:16] but they've given a little nugget here. And now, of course, you've got not only just the Republican [19:22] Party, you know, party officials, you've got the attorney general and the president talking about how [19:29] it's fraud, which is completely inappropriate for the attorney general to be doing. But nonetheless, [19:35] he's doing it and it's going to cast a shadow, unfortunately, over the results if this Dan [19:43] Sullivan does not win and only if. Right. Look, and it may work, Jesse, politically, [19:51] pointing out that they did some dirty stuff here by the, if it's not a felony, it's fine standard that [19:59] I often accuse you guys of. But like, you know, unless it's a felony, you guys are okay with anything that [20:04] happens. They may be playing by the same rule or lack of rules here. Here's the part I don't get [20:09] that I want you to articulate. The National Voter Registration Act, that's not it. That's not, [20:15] that's not going to get it done here because that's about voters and registration and that [20:19] part of the process. My question to you is, when is it a crime on your theory here for a party to put [20:26] somebody up as a candidate? It's a crime. It becomes a crime under Alaska law, I think, [20:35] under voter misconduct in the first degree in Alaska. And one of the things you have to do is [20:41] you have to certify as a candidate that you are actually running, that you're effectively running to [20:47] win. And when you have a conspiracy here, and I say that in the criminal sense, when you have multiple [20:55] people that come together to achieve an unlawful aim, and that unlawful aim was to put a candidate [21:01] But how do you prove, how do you prove that he didn't want to win, Jesse? But how do you prove it? [21:08] I think, if Dan Sullivan, if Dan J. Sullivan says, no, I want to win. It's the New York Times. [21:15] Now it's the New York Times. Jesse, you're going to burn for that. You're going to burn for that. [21:21] You have said many times when I say the New York Times, you go nuts. Every blind squirrel finds a nut. [21:26] Also, Chris, can I just say, people running for bad motives, let's accept that that's what happened [21:34] here. People running for office for impure bad motives, again, I don't know all the facts. So [21:42] I'm not saying there is not a crime. But to say that is a crime, Donald J. Trump said he was running [21:47] for president because he didn't want to be indicted again. So, I mean, people run all the time for [21:53] impure motives. We don't evaluate the motives. The voters evaluate whether that person should [21:59] be in office. But that doesn't make it a crime. The Alaska law says this. It's actually very short [22:04] and easy to read, Jesse. That's not what the president says. Jesse, this is what the Alaska [22:08] law says. The one you're talking about is not the voter misconduct law. That's not what it is, [22:12] because it's not about a voter. This is about candidates and certification of their candidacy. [22:18] You can't be lying about your name. You can't be lying about a citizen. And you can't be lying [22:23] about your signatures to get on the ballot if required. If this doesn't check it, then this is [22:28] just ugly politics, not a crime. And look, all of us are saying the same thing. Man, do I wish the [22:35] system was different. Man, do I wish we didn't have parties. You know, I mean, for me, you know, [22:39] you guys can have your own opinion. I'm anti-party. But this is what you people do. [22:42] Chris, what needs to happen here? And I think that it's correct for the governor to launch an [22:52] investigation. And if the investigation means that you're putting somebody on the ballot, [22:57] where the people that are actually financing that campaign to put him on the ballot, [23:02] to advocate for him being on the ballot, are doing so not so that he would win, but only that he should [23:07] confuse the process and cause such a high level of confusion. [23:11] I get it. I get it. It's a sin. That's a major issue. It should be investigated. [23:17] And it's wrong, but I don't think it's a crime. Now, I also feel the same way about something else, [23:22] that I also hate and almost would like to lose my job and punch these guys in the face. [23:29] But Mimi, what we're seeing with these two MAGA guys posing as Muslim women with their horrible voice [23:36] affect and celebrating how they're cartoonishly pretending to be people they want to demonize, [23:42] if they didn't really try to vote, they didn't go into the booth, they didn't make selections, [23:48] they didn't give in a ballot, when is it illegal as opposed to just obnoxious and an insult to their [23:55] mothers? Yeah, I mean, it's certainly offensive and trying to hide behind, you know, I was doing [24:01] sort of investigative reporting. I mean, anyone could commit any crime and say that. But it seems, [24:11] look, I'm not an expert in this particular, you know, law, but it does seem to cover procuring [24:21] a ballot attempt. So basically like attempt, it doesn't seem to require on its face an actual [24:29] vote to be cast. And I have to say, I mean, I don't know this prosecutor, but I would assume, [24:35] I mean, if it were my case in my office, you know, a case this high profile against someone like this, [24:42] who's very litigious, amongst other things, you wouldn't file that case unless you had a pretty, [24:48] done a pretty deep dive on the statute and the case law. We don't know what other cases have been [24:53] out there that have interpreted it. I wish you were right. I wish you were right, Roka. I wish you were [24:57] right, Roka. I wish that were the standard. But Jesse, you're now going to argue the other side, [25:01] which is these guys were going in there to make a point. What I don't like about the point is the [25:06] state doesn't have a voter ID law. And you even heard the lady say, yeah, you can vote if you're [25:12] in the registry. You can feel any way you want about that law. But I'm assuming you're arguing if [25:18] they didn't actually try to vote and they were just trying to show how easy it is to be able to vote, [25:23] that it's not a crime. Yeah. So by all appearances right now, [25:27] they stopped short of actually attempting to procure the ballot. They wanted to go through [25:32] all that process up to then, and they stopped short of the line. And so I don't think you actually [25:38] have an attempt there either, because I think their motive was not to actually get a ballot and vote. [25:43] So I think that that actually probably is going to be not meeting the elements of the offense in this [25:51] case. That being said, I think that, as I've told you before, Chris, I think that voter fraud is a [25:58] very, very serious issue. Election integrity, critically, critically important. And one thing [26:02] people cannot do is try to engage in self-help to try to show how broken the system is. There's other [26:08] ways to show why, for instance, voter ID is such an important thing. Jesse, there are plenty of ways to [26:14] do it. There are plenty of ways to do it, but let me tell you something. I wish, I wish our White House [26:21] had as little corruption as our voting process does. Okay. The number of cases that they make [26:28] for illegal voting. And we know what they did here. We know what they were trying to demonize. [26:32] The only thing Cam Higbee really showed is that he can pass for a Muslim woman. [26:36] You know, other than that, this was, this is about as bad as it gets. It was Rama Swami-esque [26:41] what they did here. I got to jump. Jesse, thank you for making the case as always. Roca, it's good [26:46] to have you, Mimi. Thank you for coming on and helping these two, these two poisoned guys, [26:51] Banal and Cuomo, because we'll argue anything. So thank you for keeping it straight. Appreciate you [26:56] both. All right. I'm going to take a break. When we come back and again, hey, listen, I may hate what [27:01] happens. I may want to see people completely ostracized for it, but that doesn't make it a crime. And I [27:08] don't like the lawfare. Okay. If you can make the case, great. And I wish I could believe what [27:12] Roca does that. Hey, if this prosecutor is doing this, they must really, I don't know that anymore. [27:18] People make the cases they're told to make these days. Okay. Four minutes and 45 seconds. Up next, [27:23] the lawyers in the Lindsey Clancy case. I think they're playing games. I think Reddington is playing [27:29] games. Why? Did you hear what he said? Did you hear what he said? Did you hear what he just said? [27:36] Lindsey Clancy never did. I'll give you a hint. He said it again and again and again in different [27:43] ways during the trial that she did do something that he now says she didn't. And I'm not talking [27:48] about the murders. Three, two, one. You got a cat. You got a dog. 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Patrick's attorneys were in [30:09] court yesterday and his lawyer said something which caught people by surprise, especially [30:14] since Lindsay never took the stand in her criminal trial. Listen to this. We believe that Lindsay [30:21] Clancy, once her Fifth Amendment issues are resolved one way or the other, will testify that she told [30:31] these defendants explicitly that she had homicidal ideation, that she was worried about something [30:38] awful happening to her kids. Now, I actually think that that's true. Why do I think that? Because of what [30:47] I heard and saw in the trial. But guess who says it's not true? The guy who I think told it to me. Lindsay [30:55] Clancy's criminal defense attorney, Kevin Reddington. He said this. Lindsay Clancy never told any of her [31:02] health care providers that she harbored homicidal ideation toward her children. She never indicated [31:07] that she intended to testify in Mr. Clancy's lawsuit and no one acting for her ever represented [31:12] that she would. Now, I believe it's about that last phrase sentence there that he's just saying what [31:21] he wants to say because he doesn't like that his case is being manipulated by the civil guy representing [31:28] the ex-husband. So let's discuss this with some better minds because I got to tell you, to me, [31:34] this does not square with what I knew. Andrew Meyer joins me right now. Ah, it's good to have [31:41] you counsel. Thank you. Good to be here. Help me here. Am I crazy? Or did I just sit through a trial [31:47] where Reddington was constantly making the case that Lindsay Clancy had expressed distress [31:53] and homicidal ideations and worries about hurting her kids to her mother-in-law, to her husband, [31:59] to the therapist, to the health care providers, to the people who were trying to give her religious [32:04] counseling once after it was done? Am I crazy? Well, I think it's a little more nuanced than [32:11] what you're exactly expressing. So I think during the course of what Kevin Reddington, obviously, [32:16] who's an outstanding attorney and did a great job and continues to do a great job, has said is that, [32:22] first of all, that Patrick Clancy's attorney, Howard Cooper, who's also an outstanding attorney, [32:27] doesn't speak for Lindsay. No question about that. He represents Patrick, who represents himself and [32:32] the estate. And so the question became, which is what you're asking, whether or not he said at any [32:38] time there's anything reflected in the records that says she directly said to the, that she said to the [32:45] doctors that she was homicidal. And I think Kevin Reddington is 100 percent right in what he said, [32:51] and he's absolutely straight about that. The difference is, is what Howard Cooper is saying, [32:57] is that the information the doctors had, one can infer and one should know that she was heading in a [33:03] direction of homicidal ideation. So if you put together the case that we're looking at when we're [33:09] examining the medical care, the 15 different medical providers, the 15 different medications she got, [33:15] that they never communicated with one another. And all the other facts that were there in the [33:21] medical records, it would have glaringly shown that she was heading in that direction. And they [33:26] should have warned, and that's what the question was yesterday, that they should have warned the [33:31] particular people who were at risk. Right. But you have to want that counsel, [33:35] because you represent her in the civil suit, and that's exactly part of your pleading. [33:40] I wonder if this is, though, an example of taking off your lawyer hat for a second and putting on [33:45] your citizen hat, of why people sometimes hate lawyers, unless they need one. Because this is him [33:51] technically being accurate. But is Reddington really right? I mean, his case was absolutely [33:59] that the system failed her because she was in extremis, and that's why this happened. And now he's [34:06] saying he never, she never said anything like that. It seems disingenuous, even if technically true, [34:11] no? Well, what he said, what Kevin said, and I'm not going to speak for Kevin, but what Kevin said [34:19] is that she never said it directly to the doctors. And it wasn't Lindsay's responsibility to diagnose [34:26] herself and to say that this is where I am. She did say it to others. And if you look at the police [34:31] search for an application, you'll hear that, you'll see that Kevin, that the husband, Patrick, [34:35] said that she did express that she was concerned about harming the children. [34:39] There were things in the records about her fear of the children being harmed, not necessarily by her. [34:45] That doesn't come out of the records. And that's what Kevin's referring to, [34:49] that she never said directly to them that this is what she intended to do. [34:53] But there's every piece of evidence that any competent psychiatrist or health care provider [34:58] should have recognized that she was heading in the direction of getting worse and worse, [35:02] and eventually becoming psychotic and having a psychotic break. [35:07] I have a lot of interest. [35:09] There's a difference is what you're saying. You can have two things true at the same time. [35:13] She can be saying it and feeling it, but she also can be having, but she also necessarily doesn't [35:19] express it directly to the doctors because she's not diagnosing herself and also in the fear of saying [35:24] that. I get it, but I'll tell you where it will be interesting. Not in your case, which we will follow, [35:30] and I think has a lot of interesting aspects to it. And I appreciate you, counsel, for being here. [35:34] Where it will be interesting is if she gets retried, you're going to hear this discrepancy. [35:40] The prosecution is going to bring this up about which way Reddington wants to have it. [35:44] And I get your nuanced description of it. The question is, will the jury, if this gets retried? [35:49] We'll see. Counsel, I got to jump. I appreciate you. And Andrew Meyer, you are welcome here [35:54] to make the case as your litigation goes forward. Thank you. Thanks, Chris. [36:00] Okay. Four minutes, 45 seconds. Up next, what do you think? What do you think about this? What [36:04] do you think about the midterms? What do you think about all of it? Have your say. 844-968-7720. [36:10] All right, Dusty, who do you got? We got Tom in Chicago. Hey, Chris. [36:23] Tom, what's your question? Hey, I think it's a question. So you're recommending that people do [36:29] their homework tonight. You're talking about Meganomics and get out there, do your homework. So I did that a [36:35] couple of days ago, because I'm trying to figure out where I stand. And I'm using Grok. I'm using [36:40] Gemini, Chat, GPT. They all come back. When I look for which party performs better over the past [36:47] eight to 10 years on healthcare, education, inflation, all these three, four or five main [36:54] different factors, it all came back red. And that pretty much set where I'm going to vote. And so that's- [37:02] I don't know what you were putting in. I know you can prompt it. [37:05] I don't know what you were putting in. It's all about what you're putting in and how you're [37:10] asking it. And be very clear. I'm not saying that AI is an oracle, okay? What I'm saying is you got [37:16] to do your homework, do your research. And look, it may work for you, Tom. It depends on how much [37:21] money you make, where you live, and what kind of wealth you get back in you. But go talk to some of [37:27] your neighbors, brother, about how it's going. And I don't really care how you vote, as long as you [37:32] think about it, and you get out there and do it. Beyond that, it's up to you. It's up to you. [37:36] That's free will, brother. That's free will. Next. [37:39] Donald in Washington. [37:41] Donald, what's your question? [37:43] All right. I'm a couple of years older than you, but I'm tired of the BS of affordability. [37:52] Were you ever educated in school, and I blame this on both the right and the left political parties, [38:00] were you ever educated in school about opening a savings account, balancing a checkbook, [38:06] being frugal in your early years to save, and everything? I mean, it was my grandparents that [38:14] educated me, and I'm living very comfortably. I blame this on our educational system and our [38:20] politicians. [38:21] Oh, okay. I blame it on people not having enough money to put into the account. I blame it on, [38:29] you know, it depends on how deep you want to go, okay? I blame it on taking us off the gold standard [38:35] and making the government a printing press of money that created so many dollars in the system [38:40] that you now have more money and making everything more expensive than ever anticipated. I blame it on [38:47] policies that moved us away from productivity being a function of how you treat labor into a straight [38:53] investment economy, where that's what it rewards. So the stock market is everything. Wall Street is [38:58] everything. Main Street is nothing. That's what shifted. That's what made the golden age. That's [39:03] what was better than the gilded age. And that is what was now putting us back into what looks like the [39:08] gilded age. People should save. The problem is you may want to save, but you can't. And they're working [39:16] more jobs and they're working more hours to make less. And that's the problem. Next. [39:21] Valerie in Kansas City, Missouri. What's your question? [39:25] I want to know why Trump said that they're making millions and trillions off the gas prices and we're [39:34] paying out that for them. What can we do about it? You know why? You know why? Because his definition of [39:39] we is the energy companies. We are doing great. Yeah, your sons that you're giving defense contracts, [39:46] your son-in-law that's getting billions of dollars from Arabs, and you getting a plane from the [39:51] Qataris that happen to be big funders of terrorism and of propaganda in our schools. Yeah, it's great [39:58] for you, but that's not us. That's not the country. That's what he's saying. He's telling you right to [40:06] your face. Next. Next and last is going to be Cindy in South Dakota. Quick, Cindy. What do you got? [40:13] Hi, Chris. I just wanted to make a statement on what Sununu said about social extremists and stuff. [40:25] You know, they never bring up the mega extremists when they're doing their boogeyman type thing, [40:31] and I just, I'm tired of it. I know. I know. I'll tell you what I think is extreme. You want to [40:37] torture yourself trying to connect El-Sayed to the Muslim Brotherhood. Go ahead. I don't see anything [40:43] compelling in it. You want to torture him and you see how they're dressing up as Muslims to go [40:47] and provoke people at the polls in Minnesota. You want to play that card, you play it. [40:50] But I see that as extremism. I see Islamophobia as extremism. We'll be right back. [41:01] It's a scary time. I know. But people are voting. There's record early voting. I don't think there's [41:10] anything wrong with a governor saying, I'm not going to certify if there's something wrong [41:14] in Alaska. What is considered wrong may be concerning. And I'm seeing the comments, [41:19] oh, I can't believe that you're defending O'Keefe. And no, I'm not. I think what they did is disgusting. [41:25] It doesn't make it a felony. Leland Vittert starts right now. [41:29] What are you scared of? Me? Almost nothing. Because I am a bad man, [41:36] Leland, and I got very little to lose. But a lot of people in this country are worried. I'll tell you, [41:43] I can't tell you how many green card holders I know who are here, investors, people who paid [41:49] millions to come and invest in America, who are afraid they could get picked up for anything [41:55] by ICE. It's not always the reality. It's not always the facts. It's the feelings. [42:01] And people are scared. And there's a lot of economic pressure on people. That's scary too. [42:05] That's true. And if they watch us, I think they realize where the facts start and the fear [42:12] mongering from the other networks begins. Demagoguery, you know, we talked about this [42:19] once before. Ancient Greek wisdom was that in a competition of ideas, those that scare you [42:27] will win in politics. So that's something we've been battling for a long time. [42:32] I'm still waiting for my Voltaire quote. I guess I'll wait till tomorrow. [42:35] You'll get it. You'll get it. All right.