Accused Murderer Laurie Shaver Takes the Stand: Buried in the Backyard Murder Trial

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: please state and spell your full legal name lori filmer l-a-u-r-i-e-f-i-l-m-e-r okay please raise [00:00:20] Speaker 2: your right hand do you solemnly swear or affirm that any testimony you give today shall be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god all right thank you please proceed [00:00:31] Speaker 3: thank you uh ms filmer would you state your name for the record please lori filmer previously known as lori shaver a big day in your life isn't it big week been several years hasn't it miss filmer let's tell me when you're ready okay would you tell the jury who you are and how you met michael shaver [00:01:15] Stacy: i met michael um well we started dating in seventh grade we went we lived in a very small town in lawrence new york our school was k through 12 500 kids our graduating class was like 14 18 kids we went to kindergarten together i met michael in tech class when they actually did tech class um in seventh grade [00:01:50] Speaker 3: so we reached a period of time where y'all elected to get married correct and at some point in time y'all ended up migrating to the state of florida yes okay and do you remember approximately when that was [00:02:17] Stacy: i graduated in two thousand and one um went to college so mike was a dropout he got his ged he wanted to become a pilot um didn't have much funding for that my parents paid for it i went to school for business administration um and focus and health service administration so i was very socially awkward um wasn't a popular kid in school okay my brother one of my oldest brothers i'm the youngest of five one of my brothers got meningitis at seven weeks and he was severely mentally retarded he got picked on a lot so growing up in a small town that was not like acceptable way back then and i spent all my time in the handicapped classroom and that was like not popular i was an outcast i he used to get beat up on the bus and i would stick up for him i met mike in well had gone to school with him but in seventh grade in tech class we became friends he he was an awkward kid as well because he was kind of like a troublemaker at that time and uh i didn't have anybody he didn't have anybody we kind of clung together at that point [00:04:03] Speaker 3: okay so there's some period of time went by y'all got married ended up down here correct yes mike wanted to be a pilot couldn't do that or what no he did yep okay did he [00:04:20] Stacy: actually did okay did he fly commercial or was it a hobby no no no he um my parents helped him get his personal private pilot's license um he wanted to go on and get his professional pilot license um my parents told him that if he was going to date me he was going to get his ged and they would help him he looked to his family to get assistance with that he was denied um so it took some time it took it took a lot of time but eventually he made his way he started flying for pan am flight academy which is the lower division of u.s airways out of new york city okay he was doing good [00:05:18] Speaker 3: so eventually you end up down here and mike transgresses into another occupation how did that happen [00:05:26] Stacy: well we first moved um so i worked for metlife disability i worked for them for 15 years corporate i worked for them in office um for four years when mike finally succeeded and everything um we were able to move we moved to florida fort pierce florida um when i was seven weeks pregnant with isabel we were there for about a year we moved back to new york we got hit with our first hurricane ever it was kind of like a scary thing we were top tier of an apartment building a tree came in we didn't know what to do we packed up our stuff we were back in new york three days later okay then after that we were there for about a year i was still working for metlife but at that time work from home was kind of becoming popular and um i was able to again move my work to florida and he was we moved to orlando right next to the airport and i was working from home had isabel um and he was commuting from orlando to new york city on a weekly basis he was gone for weeks at a time okay what happened next in y'all's life um there was a lot um we just had each other i i don't know how else to explain it we just had each other i was a single mom and a new place with no family no friends he was a pilot he was gone all the [00:07:17] Speaker 3: time there was no support from either family now we talked we we heard from family in this case of mike's come in and they said well we haven't heard from him for this period of time or that period of time was he close with his family at all no no you ever visit him stacy yes did any of them ever visit your [00:07:42] Stacy: residence never they know they didn't even come to the wedding but when we were growing up through high school we would go to stacy's all the time christmas thanksgiving birthdays i knew desiree i knew daddy and you know that every time we would go over there and meet you and mike used to always get together and talk about how your dad evaded the whole family [00:08:21] Speaker 3: okay what was the next step in y'all's marriage so from there um there was a lot of issues a lot of [00:08:31] Stacy: issues he was away gone for over a week i packed up isabel and we had play privileges we could fly for free i packed her up and when he was gone took her to new york where my family was thinking i could get away get support file for divorce everything was good rented a house everything was good i was back working at metlife in the office my sister works there she's actually the uh operations manager now she was she's she's a nurse she started her way down low she was actually the one that got me the job told me that they were doing this mass hiring um and now she's the operations manager of metlife and in a riskini so i packed isabel up she was just a little over eight year old we went there and um where was spike well he was off on a business trip but we had back then you used to have flying privileges you could just is you were just on standby as long as you could just get on the plane you could fly anywhere you could fly anywhere you wanted to for free back then um so that's what i did i got away my sister was helping me we got a house we rented a house everything was perfect like all right this is gonna work i was seeking attorney in in new york filing for divorce my mom i uh went to it i started i joined a gym and i went to a spinning class one night i came home that night um my mom was watching isabel it was a baby i went into the shower when i came out my mom was not there i was greeted by a punch in the face [00:10:47] Speaker 3: excuse me okay let's let's limit it okay without physical okay i was greeted by michael okay three weeks later [00:10:58] Stacy: all right i was out of work for three weeks okay and i was we were all back in florida three weeks after that and i was again working from home without my family without any support and we were living in [00:11:15] Speaker 3: davenport florida at that time champions gate area let's talk let's transgress into family environment did it ever develop laurie into an atmosphere where there was tension so to speak there was always tension let's talk about the nature of the tension [00:11:53] Stacy: yes sir i don't want to see pictures [00:11:57] Speaker 5: i'm showing you a composite [00:12:00] Speaker 3: of images why don't you go look through this sorry that's number two [00:12:17] Speaker ?: i have the memories i don't need to look at pictures [00:12:31] Speaker 5: could we bring back any memories [00:12:36] Stacy: i have the memories i don't need to look at pictures [00:12:41] Speaker 3: now without articulating the specific facts of those events did you suffer any injuries at the hands of michael shaver Who's in that photo? [00:13:14] Speaker 5: Michael. Who's blind is on that shirt? [00:13:19] Speaker 3: Michael. Was that a consequence of an altercation between you and Michael Shea? [00:13:29] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:13:34] Speaker 3: When these incidents occurred, would these occur around the family? Yes. And the occupants of that family? [00:13:44] Stacy: Sometimes. Pardon me? [00:13:46] Speaker 3: Sometimes. [00:13:47] Stacy: Most of the time. I mean, he didn't hide it. [00:13:54] Speaker 3: Let's talk about your relationship with Isabel. What was your relationship like with Isabel? [00:14:07] Stacy: Like when? When she was younger or now? [00:14:09] Speaker 3: Well, when y'all were younger, did Isabel ever develop a feeling or a need to protect you? Did she demonstrate? Isabel grew up really fast. [00:14:34] Speaker ?: She had to take care of Aiden when I was not able to. [00:14:34] Stacy: As a consequence of these events? [00:14:47] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:14:48] Speaker 3: As a consequence of these events? Yes. [00:14:52] Stacy: And even to this day, she. Still. I am not the person to. If you come at me with something, I don't have a comeback. I will shut down. And I will just retreat. She's not that person. She will get right in front of me. Whether we're at the gas station or grocery shopping. There used to be a time period where I could not even go into a grocery store by myself. [00:15:31] Speaker 3: Were there events wherein you were not free to leave the residence? [00:15:41] Stacy: Yes. [00:15:43] Speaker 3: Would anybody control your freedom of movement? [00:15:48] Stacy: Yes. My. Obviously I've gained weight over the years. But my eating was controlled. I had anorexia and bulimia. I felt like the way this. Now what I did with all four of my kids. But. I literally reached for an Oreo one time and was. Thrown off couch. [00:16:16] Speaker ?: Okay. Now. At some point in time. Michael took a job. At Disney. Correct? [00:16:22] Speaker 3: Okay. [00:16:23] Speaker ?: Do you remember when that was? [00:16:24] Speaker 3: I don't remember the exact time. Um. When we had moved back. From New York to Florida. Um. That's kind of when the job was. [00:16:30] Speaker ?: I don't remember the exact time. [00:16:31] Speaker 3: Um. When we had moved back. From New York to Florida. [00:16:34] Speaker ?: Um. [00:16:35] Stacy: That's kind of when the job was. I don't remember the exact time. [00:16:37] Speaker ?: Um. [00:16:38] Stacy: When we had moved back. From New York to Florida. Um. That's kind of when the job was. [00:16:43] Speaker ?: Um. [00:16:44] Stacy: That's kind of when the whole Disney thing came about. Because. He didn't want to leave me alone. And. I mean. From my presumption. It was. Because. He wanted to be around. And. You know. Make sure that. [00:17:02] Speaker ?: Nothing was going to happen. [00:17:03] Stacy: Okay. Or I wasn't going to leave. [00:17:05] Speaker 3: Was there any attempts. To leave. Michael. [00:17:08] Stacy: Probably about. Eight. [00:17:10] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:17:11] Speaker 3: One moment. One moment. [00:17:19] Speaker ?: Judge. I'm just going to ask my clerk. Before I see this document. Please. Sidebar. Please. Come on up. [00:17:31] Speaker 5: Okay. All right. Sidebar. Please. Come on up. [00:17:36] Speaker 2: All right. Sidebar. Please. [00:17:39] Speaker ?: Come on up. All right. All right. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. [00:19:12] Speaker 5: Thank you. [00:19:42] Speaker 3: I'm showing you three diamonds. To those pertain to Lori Shaver. [00:20:12] Speaker ?: I'm showing you three diamonds. I'm showing you three diamonds. Yes. [00:20:42] Speaker 3: Do those documents refer to Michael Shaver? Yes. [00:20:48] Speaker 5: Do these documents pertain to any acts of violence pertaining to Michael Shaver? [00:20:57] Speaker 1: Yes. [00:20:58] Speaker 3: Do these documents pertain to injunctions for protection filed on your behalf against Michael Shaver? [00:21:13] Stacy: Yes. [00:21:14] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:21:15] Stacy: And there was an additional one filed by the state. [00:21:20] Speaker ?: All right. [00:21:22] Speaker 3: Were those filed on your behalf as a consequence of violence and a feeling of a need for protection? Those three? [00:21:29] Stacy: Yes. [00:21:30] Speaker 3: Was Michael at points and times directed to reside outside of the residence? Yes. By the courts? [00:21:45] Speaker 1: Yes. [00:21:46] Speaker 3: By the courts? [00:21:47] Speaker 1: Yes. [00:21:48] Speaker 3: Okay. For the need for your protection? [00:21:51] Speaker 5: Yes. [00:21:52] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:21:53] Speaker 3: And were those injunctions issued as a consequence of violence? Yes. We've heard a lot of witnesses that have taken the stand in this case. Correct? We heard from Mr. Amituccio, correct? He represented, if I'm not correct, that he was Mike's best friend. [00:22:28] Stacy: He was not. Pardon me? He was not. Not as an adult. We approached him. Sidebar, please. [00:22:47] Speaker ?: Thank you. [00:23:17] Speaker 3: I believe Mr. Amatuccio took the stand and testified to this jury that he was Michael's best friend. Was Mr. Amatuccio at the house very often? [00:23:41] Stacy: No, he... [00:23:42] Speaker 3: Pardon me? [00:23:43] Stacy: No, he was not. Not after we all got married and had kids. [00:23:51] Speaker 3: Mr. Merritt took the stand as well, correct? [00:23:56] Speaker ?: Correct. [00:23:57] Speaker 3: And was it Mr. Merritt that declared he had gone to the truck show with y'all? [00:24:09] Stacy: Tractor show. [00:24:10] Speaker 3: Tractor show? Okay. Did Mr. Merritt spend time at the residence with y'all? [00:24:17] Stacy: Not very often. I've probably seen him twice before that. [00:24:20] Speaker 3: Okay. Now, there was testimony about your mood or something out at the tractor show, correct? Were there any issues going on at the tractor show that the jury needs to know? [00:24:36] Stacy: Not prior. It was happening at the tractor show. [00:24:40] Speaker 3: What was happening? [00:24:42] Stacy: Isabel was not feeling well. She was getting sick to her stomach. She was getting dizzy. She was getting hot. She's not able to... Her body does not tolerate heat or cold. Like, she becomes very flushed and sick and I wanted to leave because she was feeling sick and we were walking a very long time. I mean, hours. [00:25:11] Speaker 1: Okay. [00:25:11] Stacy: And there was no stroller, nothing. I just wanted to leave for her. He did not want to leave. I guess the whole point was for us to go there to maybe get a mutual relationship with Frank and Rita, but she was sick and I was, as a mom, I just wanted to leave because she was sick and he didn't want to leave. I don't know how else to explain it. [00:25:42] Speaker 3: Okay. There was testimony about contacts with you and you represented that Michael, you believed he had left or gone to a certain location, correct? [00:25:55] Stacy: At what time period? [00:25:58] Speaker 3: There was a witness that testified that you had reported that he had gone to Georgia or New York or somewhere. [00:26:06] Stacy: Okay. I had received a message from Stacy. [00:26:11] Speaker 3: Who's Stacy? Who's Stacy? [00:26:13] Stacy: His sister. [00:26:14] Speaker 3: Okay. [00:26:15] Stacy: She had contacted me saying that she hadn't heard from Michael. And I told her I did not either. And she said, well, his mom is sick. So, if you can, if you hear from him or you can let, I said, if I hear from him or I will let one of his friends know that his mom is sick so that they can relay the message. Frank Merritt came by. I told him that his mom was sick. So, if he's seen him, to let him know. Frank Merritt was not close with us. So, I never told him that he went to Georgia. I said he went to go see his mom. Here is the misconception. His mom, Sharon Shaver, the one that was sick, lives in New York. Frank Merritt did not know the family well enough at that time. He automatically assumed, in my mind, that he went to Georgia to see his stepmom, Sharon Shaver. [00:27:23] Speaker 3: I see. Okay. [00:27:26] Stacy: I never made the statement he went to Georgia. I said he possibly could have went to go see his sick mom. [00:27:34] Speaker 3: We also heard other witnesses testify. Correct? There was testimony about a sale of guns. [00:27:47] Speaker ?: Correct. [00:27:48] Speaker 3: Correct? Now, my understanding, y'all had a relatively large cache of guns around the house. Is that correct? Pardon me? [00:28:00] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:28:00] Speaker 3: Okay. Was Mike collecting guns? What was his? [00:28:05] Stacy: He had a hobby of building them. [00:28:07] Speaker 3: I see. Okay. So, Mike would build guns, sell them out on the market somewhere? [00:28:14] Stacy: For his friends or not. He built them and would just keep them, collect them. [00:28:19] Speaker 3: Okay. And with regards to the guns, we heard Isabel testify that Mike had dealt with the guns and been training the kids how to fire guns? Yeah. [00:28:33] Stacy: They knew gun safety. [00:28:35] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:28:36] Speaker 3: Did he practice this with them? [00:28:37] Stacy: Yes, he did. [00:28:38] Speaker ?: Okay. Mm-hmm. [00:28:39] Speaker 3: Did Isabel know how to fire a gun? [00:28:42] Stacy: Yes. [00:28:43] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:28:43] Stacy: Everybody did. We had the five acres, we had the five acres, there was target. We used to go to the gun range as well, but we taught them how to various guns, check to see if they were loaded, unloaded, how to fire. And they would, they would, he would have them walk around the house after they checked to see if they were unloaded or whatnot, walk around the house with them pointing down, teaching them not to point at anybody. Um, even with Nerf guns, they were not allowed to point them at people, things like that. [00:29:26] Speaker 3: Okay. Okay. There came a period of time because of these injunctions that were filed that Michael was out of the house, correct? Yes. And there came a period of time you started dating other people. [00:29:48] Speaker ?: Correct. [00:29:48] Speaker 3: Correct. It was, said, uh, Mr. Bray, who was it that? Alan. Pardon me? Uh, uh, Baloo, wasn't it? Yeah. You dated Mr. Baloo. Was he married or single? [00:30:04] Speaker ?: He was not married. [00:30:05] Speaker 3: Okay. Did y'all date long? [00:30:07] Speaker ?: No. Okay. [00:30:10] Speaker 3: Did he have any issues with Michael? [00:30:12] Stacy: Yes. [00:30:14] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:30:17] Speaker 3: Then at some point in time, you met Jeremy Townsend, correct? Tell us how you met Jeremy, where you met Jeremy? [00:30:28] Stacy: I met Jeremy at the school. [00:30:30] Speaker 3: At the school? [00:30:31] Stacy: Yeah, not at the park. [00:30:32] Speaker 3: Okay. [00:30:32] Stacy: Um, he, he had a, like an opal. Color truck. I had a white truck. There was two lanes coming out. And, uh, we were both there at the same time. Towards the end of August. And, uh, he rolled down the passenger window and handed me a sticky note. And I grabbed it. And I said, I know what you're, what you're going through. I can help you. Call me. And he gave me his number. [00:31:12] Speaker 3: Why would he suggest that? [00:31:17] Stacy: I had marks on my face. [00:31:19] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:31:21] Stacy: I wasn't, I mean, yeah. [00:31:23] Speaker 3: So did you call Mr. Townsend? [00:31:26] Stacy: I did. I went to, um, what is it? The racetrack right there at the end of 33. And I called him. [00:31:35] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:31:36] Speaker 3: Now, Mr. Townsend testified that this was kind of an informal relationship. He characterized it as one of friends with benefits. Correct? [00:31:48] Speaker ?: He did. [00:31:49] Speaker 3: Okay. Did Mr. Townsend lead you to believe that he was single? [00:31:55] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:31:56] Speaker 3: Okay. There's digital data that's been introduced. They have text, I believe. Does some of that contradict his statement here in court? [00:32:08] Stacy: Well, that's why I asked him. Why did you lie to me? [00:32:10] Speaker 3: Pardon me? [00:32:11] Stacy: That's why I asked him in his texts that were introduced today. Why did you lie to me? [00:32:15] Speaker 3: Why is that? [00:32:17] Stacy: Because I didn't. He was separated from his wife. And then I found out that he was now back together with her. So I said, why did you lie to me? Why all of a sudden are you wearing your wedding ring again? [00:32:32] Speaker 3: Yes. I see. Now, did Jeremy come by the house often? [00:32:38] Stacy: Every day. [00:32:39] Speaker 3: Every day? [00:32:40] Stacy: Every day. [00:32:43] Speaker 3: Morning, night, what times? [00:32:46] Stacy: He would come by in the mornings. Well, initially, we would meet at the school. He would drop his son off. I would, like, when our relationship first started. And I would have Isabella and Aiden. And we'd sit in the, we'd show up early and we'd sit in the school car line. And he'd come back to the truck where I had my kids. And we'd all just converse in the morning while we sat there and waited until school started. Sometimes Vanessa would come out and get Trent out of his truck early and take him in because she was a teacher there. And then he would leave, go off to work. He worked in, he did landscaping. He had a partnership landscaping business. And I worked from home. So, from there, probably in December, because prior to that, I did Beachbody from home. I was doing Beachbody sales from home. Social anxiety. I had never, ever, ever, ever been to a gym before. He was going to Gold's Gym, which I don't remember what Austin said it's called now. But, anyways, it was the Gold's Gym, where he was a member of. And I was like, okay, that's fine. But I don't know how to use anything. I'm not going to go in and do it because I only worked out from home through, like, videos. So, he goes, no, I know somebody there. She's, it was a female because I wasn't comfortable with males. And he set me up with Rebecca Filmer, a personal trainer. That's how I met Austin and Becca. Becca and I became really close. We would go out dancing on Fridays. Like, my social life just kind of expanded from there. I start to see that there was a life outside of my home. I mean, little as it was, but it was still nice. [00:34:48] Speaker 3: Now, did you ever confide in Jay about your situation with Mike? [00:34:55] Stacy: Yes. So, that all happened at the beginning. Obviously, he had seen that I had marks on my face. So, I called him, and we did meet at the park after that to talk. And that's, we met a few times. And it was just talking, friendship. And it was nice to have somebody to talk to you, but he told me about his history in the military. He also told me that he was a bodyguard for some professional boxer, and I cannot remember the name. He would travel and be his bodyguard whenever he was on tour. He told me that he was in special ops. He served on the Bush administration in Washington, D.C. as security. Tons of stuff. Sniper. Told me everything. [00:35:53] Speaker 3: Okay. But we saw those contradictions with his testimony, correct? Did Mr. Townsend make any representations to you that he would protect you from Michael? [00:36:09] Stacy: Yes, from the very beginning. [00:36:11] Speaker 3: Okay. [00:36:12] Stacy: He told me if I ever needed anything that I could contact him. And it was, he was always on top of it. If Becca and I went out dancing in the evening, he would come over. He would see me before we went out. And while we were out, he would call. And we would have to send him a picture to show him that we were there where we were. And when I left, I would have to let him know that I was on my way home. And then also let him know that I had gotten home. He knew everything. He had everything. He kept track of me every step of the way. [00:36:53] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:37:01] Speaker 3: Let's talk about the event that's landed you here. Shift gear over there. Okay. Michael was out of the house at that time? [00:37:17] Speaker ?: Yeah. [00:37:18] Speaker 3: Is it my understanding he'd been living at the airport? Or? [00:37:26] Stacy: Yes. So, the battery had happened in 2014. The state imposed an injunction. DCF was involved. Mike went through counseling, everything like that. Mike was all that I knew. And during that time period, we both dated other people. I mean, y'all heard that. Once everything was up, I guess you could say. We started talking again. We started talking again. But DCF had been in the house, and they said that as long as he was not in the picture, everything was okay. But if he came back. [00:38:30] Speaker 3: They were going to take action. [00:38:32] Stacy: Yeah. So, they had offered to move me and the two kids. Change our names. Change our socials. Because we had already moved so much. We finally were in a good school. The kids had good friends. And there was a point where Isabel had asked, Like, you know, Is this where we're going to live now? And I said, yep. This, we're not, we're never moving again. This is where we're staying. They went to a great school. Great friends. So, when DCF came in And offered that, I'm like, nope. I'm strong now. I'm going to go to counseling. I went to celebrate recovery For codependency. I was going to live stream counseling. I thought I had it. So, I'm like, nope. I'm going to stand my ground. [00:39:45] Speaker 3: Okay. [00:39:46] Stacy: And, um, So, I didn't leave. Dated. Obviously, those relationships Sucked. Failed. And, uh, I went back. I loved Michael. [00:40:09] Speaker 3: Did it work out? [00:40:11] Speaker ?: Nope. [00:40:13] Stacy: We tried. He was back in the house Maybe two. Well, In September of 2014, He was back in the house Two weeks. And then, I should have learned my lesson then, But I didn't. And then in 2015, Um, When we had gotten back together, Wilma Nichols, Our neighbor. Very nosy lady. We, Um, Mike would go to work. We would, Uh, Pick him up at LJ Yates' house Who has not testified. LJ Yates lived on 33. He also worked at Disney. Mike would drive From Disney to his house. And we would pick him up there And bring him back to the house. And he would duck So nobody would see him. And then, He would sleep there all day. He built a privacy wall On our back patio So Wilma couldn't see. And she had to put a gate So that she could just come over Whenever she wanted. So we put a lock on there. So she couldn't do that. And then, He worked overnights. So about 7 o'clock, We would take him back To LJ Yates' house. And then he would go from there To work. And we continued that For a long time. [00:41:45] Speaker 3: Okay. So, This in the house, Out of the house, That continued on and off. Correct? Yes. [00:41:52] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:41:54] Speaker 3: So there did come a point in time When You were later with Jeremy. Correct? So that's later in time. Correct? To those events. [00:42:04] Stacy: Yeah. It was a couple months later. Like I said, I had, School had just started. I had went to school. Without Dropping the kids off. Whatever. I had marks on my face. Jeremy noticed. He sent me a message. I started talking to him. Obviously talking to him. Him reassuring me. He was saying all the right things. I kind of fell for it. I'm not denying that. I did. It was nice. Right? Because Now I'm back into [00:42:34] Speaker 3: Solid ground. [00:42:38] Stacy: Yeah. And it wasn't working. And I'm like I'm right back into it. So So My birthday Jeremy and I Had talked about Plans to go out Shopping, Going to the movies, Going to Hurricanes. You know, Just Hanging out for the day While the kids were in school. Awesome. Mike was still in the house At that time. And I had told him That I had just wanted To go out for the day Go shopping Get my nails done Whatever And he absolutely refused Refused So I threw a fit As I was walking away From him Well he had given me My birthday presents As I was walking away He threw a [00:43:35] Speaker 3: Let's not talk about Specific events Okay? Let's stay on the factual area Of those events Okay? But there was an altercation Arising out of that Confrontation Correct? Mm-hmm Okay And so Eventually I take it Michael's out of the house At a period of time Okay? [00:43:57] Stacy: So I kicked him out I think it was November 10th [00:44:02] Speaker 3: Okay We heard testimony From one witness And That You were waving a gun At Michael Threatening him Some witness He said he got in between you [00:44:17] Stacy: That was Robert Mercardo [00:44:19] Speaker 3: Robert Mercardo Did that ever happen? [00:44:22] Stacy: No it did not [00:44:23] Speaker 3: Why was Robert Mercardo At the residence? [00:44:26] Stacy: We were all hanging out Barbecue Whatever I honestly don't remember We were all on the back porch There was drinking involved Mike became irate I went into the bedroom He tried coming Over me out the dresser Robert stood in between He separated him Mike left the property We couldn't get a hold of him We called 911 In fear of Michael Doing something to himself There was a 911 call for that They did make contact with him And That was that But no There was no gun involved On that evening [00:45:13] Speaker 3: Okay The gun that's been introduced Into evidence Was this gun used In the commission Of this case? [00:45:22] Speaker 1: No it was not [00:45:23] Speaker 3: What happened to that gun? [00:45:30] Stacy: I never seen it again I don't know [00:45:34] Speaker 3: Who would have taken it? [00:45:36] Stacy: Jeremy was the last one That had it [00:45:38] Speaker 3: So let's transgress Into this event That led to these charges Lori okay Do you remember the event? You're in the house Correct? [00:46:04] Stacy: I was In the house Initially Michael did not Enter the house [00:46:09] Speaker 3: Okay Was it morning Noon Morning Take us through it [00:46:15] Speaker 1: Morning [00:46:15] Speaker 3: Okay And tell the jurors How this transpired [00:46:19] Stacy: I got up The whole Got my coffee And then that's When I noticed He was sitting On the back patio We had two tables There was like One long line And then there was A smaller round table With two chairs I seen him sitting there So I got the kids I don't remember If it was Pop tarts Breakfast bars Whatever They're Ovaltine They always had Ovaltine They had Tables in their bedrooms I went in And got them Their clothes Gave them their breakfast Turned on the TV And I just said No Eat your breakfast Get ready for school Which they did Just like every other morning I'm going to go out And take care of the animals We had over 400 birds We had pigs I rescued a horse There was lots of animals On the property I So that was not Unnormal for me To go outside While they were inside Getting ready So I went out there But I knew He was sitting out there I could see him Through the kitchen window Out on the back patio So I went out there And we started talking And it escalated And I went to walk And I went to walk Back in Because this wasn't Going anywhere And he was not Leaving And I opened The sliding glass door To go in And when I did that He took my phone And slammed it up Against The sliding glass door There was an imprint Of my phone On that sliding glass door He grabbed my arm Pulled me down Into his lap In the furthest chair That was I don't have a picture In front of me But the sliding glass door There was like a post And there was a We had like a bistro table Sitting there In front And on This further side I guess In front of the sliding glass door There was a chair So he had pulled me down In his lap He was holding on to me And At that point I was Just trying to convince him Like okay Okay Okay Enough We'll work it out [00:48:46] Speaker 3: What's he saying to you During this Lori [00:48:49] Stacy: He's just He's I I was talking At that point I was scared That's what I'm saying Okay Okay Okay We can work it out Because that's What I did Every single time Because I was Scared And he told me Not this time [00:49:05] Speaker 3: Was he upset About anything In particular That you're aware of [00:49:09] Stacy: Yes He found out I was I had Gotten pregnant [00:49:12] Speaker 3: From Jay [00:49:14] Stacy: Yes Okay [00:49:16] Speaker 3: So Is he mentioned In that In his discussion Or Or What [00:49:23] Stacy: Oh yeah Yeah I mean Not at that time We had It was previously Before he Pulled me into his lab But I mean He knew Okay So I was like Okay Okay Okay We'll work it out Because at that point I had already had The abortion [00:49:41] Speaker 3: So Are you facing The house Or facing away From the house Tell us your direction [00:49:50] Stacy: I'm facing Looking out To the back pasture I'm on the back porch But I'm not looking Into the house [00:49:57] Speaker 3: Okay Now He spins you around And you're in the chair I take it [00:50:04] Stacy: I'm in his lap He's holding me there [00:50:06] Speaker 3: Okay [00:50:07] Stacy: And then he pushed me To the ground [00:50:09] Speaker 3: Okay As he pushes you To the ground Does he do anything [00:50:14] Stacy: After he pushed me To the ground He was kicking me In the stomach [00:50:18] Speaker 3: Okay Presuming you were Pregnant or something Yeah [00:50:22] Stacy: And I had already Told him I had the abortion And I was screaming At that point [00:50:27] Speaker 3: Okay Is he making Any threats To do any harm To you Any serious Bylay harm [00:50:33] Stacy: Yeah I mean He said Not this time He said I was not getting away Okay Not this time I mean We had been through So many events But that's not The first time I mean He had pulled The gun out Me at Publix In Claremont This was not [00:50:49] Speaker 3: The first time Let's not talk About prior events Okay Yeah I'm sorry So you're on the ground And he's kicking you [00:51:01] Stacy: In the stomach [00:51:02] Speaker 3: Okay Is he kicking you hard? [00:51:05] Stacy: Yes Okay Very hard [00:51:06] Speaker 3: Is he making any No, he's killing me up Okay Is he making any statements Of any intent to kill you Or anything of that nature? [00:51:16] Speaker ?: Yes [00:51:16] Speaker 3: Okay Is he speaking in such A Level that the children Could hear this? [00:51:24] Stacy: Oh yeah We both were [00:51:25] Speaker 3: Okay [00:51:26] Stacy: I was screaming [00:51:28] Speaker 3: Okay As he's doing this And he's not Relenting on it Did he have his foot Anywhere? [00:51:40] Stacy: Well that went on For A few minutes And then he put his Fate Or his foot On my Face [00:51:51] Speaker 3: Okay [00:51:54] Stacy: Smashing it Into the The patio Porch Okay Whatever you want To call it [00:51:59] Speaker 3: As he has his Foot On your face Sit on the front Of your face The side Of your face [00:52:07] Stacy: I was facing I was facing [00:52:08] Speaker ?: I was facing [00:52:08] Stacy: Him Now I'm facing I'm curled up Facing the house And he It was Just like this [00:52:17] Speaker 3: Is he Continue to yell Is he yelling At you? [00:52:22] Stacy: Not at that point Nope Nope Nope We were sitting There And I could not Yell anymore [00:52:29] Speaker 3: We heard from [00:52:33] Stacy: He's just sitting In the chair As he's Smashing my face Into the porch [00:52:37] Speaker 3: What's the next Thing you recall? [00:52:44] Stacy: The next thing I see Is I I can't even Say I've seen Her I More or less Heard it And Then I I think I've seen Her [00:53:01] Speaker 3: When you say Her Who are you Referring to? [00:53:07] Speaker ?: Isabel [00:53:07] Speaker 3: Isabel What's Isabel do? [00:53:15] Stacy: She had Fired a gunshot Okay [00:53:18] Speaker 3: Now When Isabel Fires this gunshot Do you see Where it lodged Into Michael Or what? [00:53:27] Speaker ?: I could not [00:53:27] Speaker 3: Where are you After Isabel Fires the gun? [00:53:31] Stacy: Still on the ground And Michael [00:53:35] Speaker 3: The next thing You recall? [00:53:40] Stacy: The next thing I recall Is Seeing Jay Jeremy And Hearing The gunshot Essentially At the same Time [00:53:50] Speaker 3: Is there Much time That goes By Between [00:53:54] Speaker 5: Isabel Shooting The gun And Jay Taking Over Or Hearing [00:53:58] Stacy: No It felt Like forever I remember Looking at Her [00:54:03] Speaker 3: Had you Gotten Off the Ground [00:54:05] Stacy: No No I had Not Michael Was still Sitting In the Chair [00:54:10] Speaker 3: After Jay Comes You hear Jay Discharge The Firearm And After Jay Discharges The Firearm What do You hear Next Or observe Next [00:54:31] Stacy: Well at That point I started Crawling Away But Michael Fell Forward Out Of The Chair [00:54:42] Speaker 3: Fell Forward On The Chair [00:54:44] Stacy: Out Of The [00:54:45] Speaker ?: Chair [00:54:45] Speaker 3: Okay Was That After Jeremy Shot Or After Isabel Shot After Jeremy Makes That Shot And To Michael [00:55:01] Speaker 5: What [00:55:04] Speaker 3: Happens After That [00:55:05] Stacy: He I Got [00:55:10] Speaker ?: Got [00:55:10] Stacy: Got Up We Went Into The House Went Into Isabel's Room And Who [00:55:17] Speaker 3: Has The Gun At That Point [00:55:18] Stacy: I Don't I Don't Recall That He Had The Gun I [00:55:24] Speaker ?: I [00:55:24] Stacy: Don't Know [00:55:24] Speaker 3: He Was The [00:55:26] Stacy: Last One With The Gun [00:55:27] Speaker 3: Okay Did You See Isabel Carrying It After That [00:55:30] Stacy: No No But [00:55:32] Speaker ?: But [00:55:32] Stacy: It Wasn't Carried Into Her Room Where We Were Having A Conversation [00:55:37] Speaker 3: Now Jeremy Makes That Shot You Get Up You Go Into The House Are Any Statements Made By Jeremy [00:55:48] Stacy: Yes So He Tells Me To Take The Kids Get Them Out Of The House And He Would Take Care Of It Um He Insinuated That If We Said Anything That She Would Be Taken Away And He Said That He Was Not Going To Take The Blame For This So [00:56:14] Speaker 3: What Did You Do [00:56:15] Stacy: I Took The Kids I Left That's What I Always Did I Took The Kids And I Left [00:56:24] Speaker 3: Where Did You Take Them [00:56:26] Stacy: I Took Them To School I Wanted To Get Back Home I Did Not Know What Was Going To Happen After That But I Wanted To Get The Kids Out And The Only Place I Had To Take Them Was School It Wasn't That Far Away [00:56:45] Speaker 3: So You Take The Kids To School Come Back To The House Is Michael There No Is Jay There [00:56:57] Stacy: No Nope And We Had A Conversation With Aiden I Remember That He Had Obviously Heard Commotion And He Didn't Know What Happened He Didn't See It He Was In His Room Which Was At The Further End Of The House And I Had Just Told Him Your Dad Is Going Away For A Long Time And Insinuated That He Was Going To Jail [00:57:33] Speaker 3: Now Did You See Any Fresh Dug Holes On The Property As You Walked About It Or Moved About It Beyond That Point [00:57:46] Speaker 1: No [00:57:47] Speaker 3: When Jeremy When Jeremy Said I'll Take Care Of This Did You Have Any Reason To Believe That That Body Was On Your Property [00:57:57] Stacy: No Never There's No way He Could Have I Wasn't Gone That Long Where He Could Have Finding Out The Dimension No He Came Back It Was Probably About Two In The After Now [00:58:14] Speaker 3: Did You Know Whether Or Not His Family Had Property Elsewhere [00:58:18] Stacy: Yes [00:58:19] Speaker 3: Did You Make Any Assumptions That It May Have Been Taken Somewhere Else [00:58:25] Stacy: And I Had Questioned Him About That They Had 30 Acres He Said Five He Had Told Me 30 Acres I Don't Know Whether That What's True Or What's Not Anymore But I Was Told They Had 30 Acres I Asked Him That [00:58:36] Speaker 3: After That Event What Happened To Your Relationship With Jeremy [00:58:43] Stacy: It Ended I Had Found Out I Mean I Became Pregnant We Were Talking About Getting Engaged We Went And Looked At Houses Then I Find Out That He Is Now Trying To Work It Out With His Wife And Then That Happened And I Was So Overwhelmed At That Point [00:59:09] Speaker 3: I [00:59:13] Stacy: Ended It [00:59:14] Speaker 3: The Relationship Ends Between The Two Of Y'all You Go On With Your Life At Some Point In Time You Meet Travis [00:59:25] Stacy: Yes [00:59:27] Speaker 3: When Did Travis Come Into Your Life At [00:59:31] Stacy: The NMA [00:59:32] Speaker 3: Pardon Me [00:59:33] Stacy: He Came By The House At The NMA My Sister Was There He Came By Becca Austin Were There We Had A Get Together And He Was There [00:59:46] Speaker 3: Did You Have Any Discussion With Travis And Relay That You Know Michael Was Was Dead Or Any Discussion About That [00:59:58] Stacy: No I Never Mentioned It To Anybody [01:00:02] Speaker 3: There Later Came A Point In Time When This Patio Was Built Correct The Fire Pit Tell Us We've Heard Circumstances About That How Did That End Up And Why Did That End Up Being Placed At That Location [01:00:26] Stacy: It Was A Big Open Area In The Backyard When Jeremy And I Were Together It Was An Idea That We Would Lay Concrete Down He Was Supposed To Help Me With It That Why The Concrete Was Bought In January Of 2016 I Think It Was We We Sat Down We Talked About The Dimensions Of It And He Was Explaining To Me How To Calculate How Much Concrete You Would Need And What Not I Went Out And Bought It And Then Bought It Unloaded It Into The Shed And It Sat There Until September Later That Year [01:01:12] Speaker 3: And Then You Had Broken Up With Jeremy Correct And Then Later You Take Up With Travis Correct Right And Eventually This Fire Pit Gets Dug Correct Or Had Been Dug Prepped For A Duck Pond Correct [01:01:29] Stacy: Dig Anymore [01:01:30] Speaker 3: Yeah It Had Been Dug Out My Understanding For A Duck Pond Correct [01:01:34] Stacy: Yeah Previously That Was Even Previous To Jeremy [01:01:38] Speaker 3: Yeah And Y'all Abandoned That Attempt Or Effort [01:01:43] Stacy: Yes [01:01:44] Speaker 3: So You Move On [01:01:49] Stacy: I Mean It Was Just Like It Was Just An Outline We Didn't Even Dig Deep Into It [01:01:56] Speaker 3: So Travis Travis Comes Along Some Time Passes And Y'all Elect To Put The Patio There [01:02:06] Stacy: That Was The Original Plan [01:02:07] Speaker 3: You [01:02:09] Speaker ?: You You You [01:02:09] Speaker 3: You'd Broken Up With Travis [01:02:11] Stacy: Jeremy [01:02:12] Speaker 3: Excuse Me I Apologize You'd Broken Up With Jeremy Now Wilma Next Door Testified That They Detected An Odor About Your Property Was There Any Odor Floating About On Your Property [01:02:28] Stacy: No I Mean We Had Rescued One Pig We Got Another A Wild Male Female They Had Babies And Robert Seha And His Wife They Had Horses They Also Had Dogs They Were Renting The Back Property To Keep Some Of Their Horses And They Had Dogs And There There Was A Few Occasion Where The Dogs Had Come Up And With The Little Pigs It Is Not A Pretty Sight So I Don't Know If That Is What She Was Smelling But And With The Birds Like I Said With 400 Birds We Used To Slaughter Them I Used To Cut The Chicken Meat Like We Had Ducks Guinea Guinea Fowl Quail We Had Tons We Used To I Had A License To Sell We Sold To A Restaurant In Winter Garden There Was An Obvious Odor Yes [01:03:33] Speaker 3: So When Y'all Prep This Area And You Put The Patio Down Did [01:03:43] Speaker ?: Did [01:03:43] Speaker 3: You And Travis Put Your Initials In The Concrete We [01:03:47] Speaker ?: Did [01:03:47] Speaker 3: Would You Have Done That If You Knew There Was A Body Underneath There Would You Posted Posted Photographs On The Internet Or On Social Media [01:04:01] Stacy: Absolutely Not [01:04:02] Speaker 3: If You Had Knowledge That There Is A Body Underneath There [01:04:05] Stacy: If I Knew Everything Would Have Changed Everything That Occurred The Only Reason Why We Laid The Patio When We Did Was Because We Were Trying To Have This Huge Birthday Party For Isabel Robert Seha And His Wife They Had The Horses And We Invited Essentially Everybody From Pine Ridge To The House And They Were Going To Have The Horses Going Through The Backyard And The Kids Could Do Hand Printing And Stuff On Them So We Did That So We Were Just Trying To Level Everything Out Make It Look Nice Have A Gathering Place That's All That It Was That's Why It Wasn't Placed Until Right Before Her Birthday In September [01:04:52] Speaker 3: Place For People To Stand And Sit On [01:04:55] Stacy: Yeah Just To Level The Ground Out I Mean It Was Sitting In The Shed Had Been Sitting There For Since The Beginning Of The Year We Just Decided That Was Like The Right Time To Do It [01:05:07] Speaker 3: Now There's Been Talk About And Documents Introduced Regarding This Social Media Facebook Etc Do You Know Who Posted Some Of Those Images Any Of Those Images [01:05:29] Stacy: There's [01:05:33] Speaker 3: Images From Your Account Michael Account Other Accounts Did Jay Have Access To Social Media At Your House [01:05:46] Stacy: Yes A Lot Of People Did Everybody Had Access To The Wi-Fi Password It Was America One Scotty Matuccio Jay Frank Wilma Everybody You Could Not Be At That House Without Being Connected To Wi-Fi If You Wanted To Have Connection To Anything We Kept Password Straight It Was America One Everybody Knew It I Posted Those Things On My Facebook I Did Not Post Those Things To Michael's Facebook There [01:06:21] Speaker 3: There Time Time Frames Where The States Made Issue Of This Account Being Open And That Account Being Open Do You Have Any Explanation For That [01:06:31] Stacy: I Don't I Mean I Was On Facebook Every Single Day My Job Required Me To Investigate People So I Was Always On The Internet Social Media Investigating People [01:06:45] Speaker 3: We've Heard Testimony As Well That Those Accounts Can Be Accessed Remotely Off Site And Contain The Same IP Address Correct Yes That Somebody Can Be In The House Sharing The Same Round Or Sharing [01:07:06] Speaker 5: The Same IP Address Correct Yes [01:07:09] Speaker 3: We've Seen And The State Is Introduced Into Evidence At This Stage A Tarp That Was In This Pit Did Y'all Have Ownership Of A Blue Tarp [01:07:35] Stacy: Not At That Point We Had A Tarp When We Got A Pool I Know Travis Bought A Tarp To Put Under The Pool [01:07:44] Speaker 3: Later When You Were With Travis [01:07:47] Stacy: Yes [01:07:47] Speaker 3: Did You Have One At The Time Of The Demise Of Michael Shaver [01:07:53] Speaker 1: Not To My Knowledge [01:07:54] Speaker 3: Did You Have The Strap Wrenches That Were Introduced Or The Straps Themselves On Your Property [01:08:03] Stacy: No Not To My Knowledge When I Went And Got The Concrete And Stuff I Did Not Do Anything With Strap Wrenches Or Anything Like That [01:08:13] Speaker 3: The Laminate Flooring The Laminate Flooring That Was Testified To Did You Have The Same Or Similar Laminate Flooring On Your Property [01:08:22] Stacy: No No The Flooring The Remodeling That Was Done Was Done Before We Even Moved In When We Bought That House We Got At A Really Good Price It Was Kind Of It Wasn't In Foreclosure But The Inside Essentially Looks Like It Was In Foreclosure There Was The Floors And The Rooms Were Destroyed From Previous Dogs And I'm OCD And Very Clean And We Hired Somebody To Come In And Clean It And Michael Went In And Changed All The Flooring In That House Before I Would Allow Us To Even Move In And Bring The Kids In There Because It Was Disgusting [01:09:05] Speaker 3: Was Austin Fillmore Or Austin Was He At The House When That Pit Was Poured The Patio [01:09:26] Stacy: No [01:09:27] Speaker 3: He Testified He Was He [01:09:29] Stacy: Was Not There Travis And I Did That Ourselves And Originally Travis Thought He Could Just Do It By Himself And Then He Went And Run At The Mixer We Didn't Realize That I Mean It Was A Big Area He Had Never Done That Before I Don't Know I Guess He Thought It Was Going To Be Easy Just Mixing Up Some Bags But That's Why He Ended Up Going And Running The Mixer [01:09:58] Speaker 3: We Saw The Photographs Of The Distance Between The Residence And The Gravesite Did You Back At That Period Of Time And We See Your Photos Were You That Physical Size Back In That Time Period Yes Did You Have The Physical Capability Even Of Moving That Body [01:10:25] Stacy: 160 Pound Man No No When I Was At The Gym Working Out I Could Probably Do 30 Pounds Prior To Getting A Personal Trainer I Was Working Out From Home With Just Hand Weights Did I Have An Endurance Yes I Ran Marathons [01:10:51] Speaker 3: Lori The Jurors Are Going To Ask Themselves Why Didn't You Call The Police [01:11:01] Stacy: Scared [01:11:04] Speaker 3: Scared Of What Jay Had Said Or Jeremy Had Said [01:11:08] Stacy: I Didn't Know What To Do I Had Just Been Beaten Like Everything Just Happened So Suddenly I Didn't Know What To Do That's Why All I Wanted To Do Was Get The Kids Out And Get Back Home And When I Came Back Home He Was Not There Jeremy Was Not There And I Could Not Get Ahold Of Him He Came Back That After New [01:11:31] Speaker 3: There Was Testimony Isabel Gave About After You Broke Up With Jeremy About Him Continuing To Follow You [01:11:44] Speaker 1: Yes Okay [01:11:46] Speaker 3: Tell The Jurors About Those Events [01:11:48] Stacy: There Was Times I Think Isabel I Mentioned I Went To Go I Was Already Dating Travis I Went To Go Pick Him Up From The Church And I At The Intersection And Jeremy Is There Right Beside Me Yelling And Screaming At Me To Roll Down The Windows And Proceeds To Follow Us To Real Life We Used To Shop At The Publix Claremont 27 And He Would Just Pop Up And Then Start Questioning You Know What Are You Doing Where Are You Going Have You Said Anything Make Sure You Don't Say Anything So Then We Started Going To The Publix In Groveland And All Of A Sudden He Would Start Showing Up There Target Same Thing Walmart That That's Where He Showed Me His Tattoo It Was The Summer Of 2016 And I Was With Travis And He Lifted Up We Were In The Cereal Aisle At Walmart And He Lifted Up His Shirt And Showed Me His Tattoo In Front Of My Kids And Everybody Else Standing In The Aisle Of A Skull [01:12:59] Speaker 3: It Was A Skull [01:13:02] Stacy: Yes [01:13:03] Speaker 3: Did Jeremy Occasionally Drive By The Residence [01:13:11] Stacy: Yes So When We Moved Got Got This Place And We Put Six Cameras Up Outside Our Property Because We Noticed There Was An Increase In Traffic And I Was Really Paranoid Going Anywhere I I Mean I Look My Surrounded Things Before I Get Out I Was Always Afraid That He Was Following I Mean I Had Was Picking The Kids Up For School Before We Even Had Moved And He Had Gotten Out Of His Truck And Ran Down The Middle Of The Road Straight Up My Truck Yelling And Screaming In Front Of The School On Multiple Occasions Trying To Get Me To Converse With Him I Had Agreed To Meet Him On A Couple Occasions Yes For Like Ten Minutes And We Would Have Conversations Like Nope Haven't Said Anything He Wanted Me To Wait For Him Wanted Everything To Settle Down With His Wife And I Refused So When We Moved Once Once The Body Was Found I Lost My Job Travis Was A Youth Leader At The Time He Started Working For A Granite Company Finances Had Gotten Really Tight We Found A Home That We Could Afford We Got The Cameras And Jeremy Was Caught On Those Cameras On A Couple Occasions Going By If I Seen Him Now I Would Not Recognize Him If He Was Standing In Front Of Me [01:15:03] Speaker 3: Go Back A Bit You Spoke About And You Have Images Clear Images As To The Events That Would Happen On A Regular Basis Let's Reflect Back On That Though Were These Acts Events That Would Cause Serious Bodily Harm To You [01:15:29] Stacy: Yes [01:15:30] Speaker 3: Were These Events That Would Involve Likewise Domestic Violence Shouting And Threats [01:15:37] Stacy: Yes That And More [01:15:40] Speaker 3: Okay Do You Believe That You Would Be Here Today But For The Act Of Isabel [01:15:52] Stacy: Sorry What [01:15:55] Speaker 3: The Event Where Michael Was Shot Isabel Acted Came To Your Aid Do You Believe You Might Not Be Alive But For Isabel And Or Jay [01:16:09] Stacy: Correct [01:16:11] Speaker ?: Yeah [01:16:11] Speaker 3: Lori Have You Testified From Your Heart The Truth Of These Events Have I Left Anything Out That You Feel That You Need To Tell The Juries To Clarify Any Issues That You've Spoken Of At This Stage [01:16:33] Stacy: I Mean There's A Lot I Would Like To Get Out [01:16:36] Speaker 3: Okay Direct Me To The Topic I Know We Can't Go Into The Detail Of These Events Though Aside From That Is There Anything Else [01:16:49] Stacy: Michael Had A Lot Of Anger No Please [01:17:04] Speaker 5: Sustained We've Spoken About Yes Correct I Know I Know All Right Sustained Please Ask A Question If You Wish So Aside From The Issues That [01:17:25] Speaker 3: We've Spoken About The Temperament And The Disposition And The Atmosphere And All The Matters That We've Discussed Is There Anything Else That You Feel That The Jury Should Know [01:17:39] Speaker 2: Sustained Please Ask A [01:17:44] Speaker 3: Topic That We Have Not Discussed [01:17:48] Speaker 1: No Nothing That I'm Going To Talk About At This Time [01:17:53] Speaker 3: Right Thank You Judge [01:17:55] Speaker 1: Yes Sir All Right Let's