Lindsay Clancy’s Phone Holds Chilling Clues

[0:00] That's Lindsay Clancy, a triple murder defendant breaking down in the courtroom [0:07] as she listens to the medical examiner describe the injuries to one of the victims, [0:13] her five-year-old daughter, Cora. [0:15] Lindsay admits that she killed Cora and her two little brothers, [0:19] but does not believe she should be held criminally responsible. [0:23] You also, a week later, wrote a script for diazepam. [0:28] December 6th, you wrote a script for diazepam, five milligrams. [0:32] December 7th, you wrote a script for diazepam, five milligrams. [0:35] December 7th, again, you wrote a script for quietepine. [0:39] Prosecutors concede that Lindsay was suffering from some level of mental illness, [0:44] but they say she knew what she was doing when she allegedly planned the murders of her children. [0:50] The foundation of the prosecution case is that Lindsay sent her husband out [0:54] to pick up some food from a local restaurant [0:56] to give herself time to kill her three children. [1:00] It's the biggest trial in the nation, a case where the jury must decide [1:04] if Lindsay Clancy is a calculated killer or the victim of mental illness. [1:10] I told you this was going to happen. [1:13] This is the trial now that everyone is talking about, [1:17] and it's because of the issues at stake here. [1:19] We're talking about the brutal, violent killing of three innocent children. [1:25] But on the other hand, you have a mother who was suffering from mental illness. [1:30] And this jury of 12 people coming inside a courtroom [1:33] have to decide whether or not Lindsay Clancy should go to prison for the rest of her life [1:39] or get help at a mental health facility. [1:42] I'm Vinnie Politan. [1:44] Let's investigate. [1:45] As we get closer to the end of this prosecution case, [2:03] we've seen a lot of different types of evidence, [2:05] but this case is not a whodunit, right? [2:08] This isn't the type of case where this jury has to figure out [2:11] who is responsible for the death or the deaths of the three children. [2:17] Lindsay Clancy did it. [2:18] Both sides are admitting that, conceding that, alleging that. [2:23] There's no disagreement. [2:24] Lindsay Clancy is the one who took those exercise bans [2:28] and put them around the necks of the three children and took their lives. [2:32] Now, what the jury has heard and seen probably is the biggest fact to witness Patrick Clancy [2:38] because this is someone who is living with Lindsay day to day. [2:42] He's the father of the victims. [2:44] He's the now ex-husband, but was the husband of the defendant at the time. [2:50] He is there before and after all of this happened. [2:54] He is providing more facts about who was where and how she was acting, [3:00] where he went, what he saw, than anyone else in this case [3:03] and is a very significant, significant fact witness. [3:08] Now, the other witnesses who are really important in this case [3:11] are the treating professionals, the nurse practitioner and the psychiatrist, [3:16] Dr. Tufts, nurse Rebecca Gelata, who were treating Lindsay Clancy [3:23] and gave this jury some insight into what they were seeing, [3:28] what they were hearing from Lindsay, what their observations were, [3:32] what their diagnoses were. [3:33] And that's a big part of this case, obviously. [3:38] So you've got the facts. [3:40] You've got the treating physicians, but now this next bit of evidence [3:46] could be as important as any evidence. [3:49] And I'm talking about the cell phone evidence in this case [3:52] from Lindsay Clancy's cell phone, taking this jury inside the mind of the killer [3:59] to try to help figure out if she's a murderer or someone who was mentally ill [4:03] who was not in control of her actions, that her illness and the medication [4:08] has taken over her mind, her process, her actions. [4:14] So let's go inside the courtroom. [4:15] Timothy Cipini, Massachusetts State Police, on the stand, [4:19] talking about what they found and what they alleged Lindsay Clancy [4:24] was doing on her cell phone in the moments, days, and hours [4:28] before the three children were killed. [4:31] Let's take a look. [4:32] So just for the juries looking at this report, here in the metadata, [4:40] the time is when the photo was taken, the 120? [4:51] Yes. [4:52] So a live photo is one of those photos that's taken. [4:55] Did you see a little movement before it settles into the photo [4:58] when you look at it? [4:59] Yes, ma'am. [5:00] And is that an automatic setting on iPhones that it's set to live [5:05] and you have to change it if you don't want that feature? [5:08] That's correct. [5:08] And so if you modify the photo and save that photo, [5:13] that modified photo is not live. [5:17] And is that what you saw here? [5:19] There were a lot of photographs of the children that were accessed [5:22] and modified in some way. [5:24] Yes. [5:24] And during what time frame were these photographs accessed and changed? [5:30] During the evening hours of January 23, 2023. [5:36] And what is this report displaying? [5:38] This is another timeline report with the first event starting January 24, 2023 [5:46] at 4 o'clock p.m. [5:49] And does it go on January 24, 2023 from 4 p.m. to 8 p.m.? [5:56] It encompasses everything that would be before that time frame appears. [6:07] The last entry is 702.01 p.m. [6:10] And this would contain all of the things that were done with the phone [6:18] between 4 and 8 p.m. on January 24, 2023. [6:23] Is that correct? [6:24] Everything that was detected by the forensic tool based on the extraction type. [6:32] And if we could go to the time frame, 430 to 435. [6:39] 46 p.m., is there a search for Miralax for kids? [7:00] Yes. [7:00] And again, we're seeing this example of one search showing up in multiple categories. [7:16] Correct. [7:17] As an examiner, I would be looking at the time stamp [7:19] and also the category second box in from the left, [7:24] indicating that the Celebrite software has parsed it in multiple locations. [7:28] A search for the 3? [7:38] Yes. [7:49] Yes. [7:50] And the tools parsed it in multiple categories. [7:53] Is there also a search for an Apple Maps for 3-V? [8:10] Yes. [8:16] And what time was that? [8:17] I'm sorry, there's a glare. [8:20] We see a 3-V restaurant at 4.13 p.m. [8:34] Yes. [8:34] And when you're using a map feature to look up a location such as Apple Maps, [8:46] what type of information do you learn when you plug in a location or an address into Apple Maps? [8:54] A route preview. [8:55] And does that route preview give you a length of time it would take to travel to that location? [9:01] Depending on what you indicate as your originating location, yes. [9:05] And so if you plug in 3-V restaurant to Apple Maps and it maps out a route to get there, [9:13] does it tell you from your location to 3-V how long it would take to get there? [9:18] Based on traffic conditions, yes. [9:20] Because that changes constantly, correct? [9:22] Yes. [9:23] So if I open up my Apple Maps and I put in 3-V right now from here, at this time, [9:29] the time it takes to get there might be different than, say, at 6 o'clock tonight? [9:33] Yes. [9:33] And so if we can go to 4.47 p.m. [9:48] You're at 4.47 p.m. seeing a search for kids in Marilax. [10:06] Yes. [10:06] Is there also a visit to CVS? [10:10] Yes, it's categorized in multiple categories within the tool, [10:22] but it parsed an artifact at that time. [10:25] 48-81-781-585-681. [10:43] We learned that that was a phone call to the CVS at 189 Summer Street in Kingston. [10:50] Yes. [10:50] And so that would be an outgoing phone call from the defendant's phone to CVS? [10:56] Yes. [10:59] Can we go to 4.53 p.m. please? [11:07] It says, message 8, defendant's phone 309, from Lindsay to Patrick Clancy, correct? [11:16] Yes. [11:17] And it says, any chance you want to do takeout from 3-V? [11:20] I didn't cook anything. [11:21] That's the content of the message. [11:24] Is there a response in message 82? [11:29] Yes, there is. [11:30] And what is the answer? [11:32] Yeah. [11:32] And then is there a response from Lindsay to Patrick? [11:38] Yes. [11:39] And what is that? [11:40] Okie dokie. [11:41] And then message 86 again from... [11:44] She does. [11:47] And what does that say? [11:49] Check the menu when you can. [11:52] And then... [11:53] It is. [12:02] And message number 90. [12:05] Is that from... [12:09] Yes. [12:10] And then... [12:11] But it was just a short nap. [12:22] Yes. [12:22] And then... [12:25] Yes. [12:30] And that source does Safari. [12:35] Safari is the default web browser on an iOS device, and iOS stands for iPhone operating system. [12:40] So that's a basic search on your iPhone for the 3... [12:43] Utilizing the Safari web application, correct? [12:45] And then number 98 is that another search. [12:57] The search repeat happened that there are two searches for two different things on the... [13:07] Can you repeat the question? [13:09] So you have... [13:10] What's the question? [13:30] How does it happen that you have two searches at the same time? [13:36] I would only be able to make an inference from here without having the forensic tool available [13:40] to me. [13:40] And what would the inference be? [13:42] That there was more than one tab open. [13:44] Okay. [13:44] So on your phone or a computer, when you're doing web searches, you can have multiple [13:49] pages open, correct? [13:50] Yes. [13:51] And you can just click on whatever page you... [13:55] Whatever page you want to open, you can click on, and that will open up? [13:59] Correct. [13:59] You can select which tab you want within the Safari application. [14:02] That's right. [14:03] Okay. [14:04] So how many tabs can you have open at any one time? [14:09] I'm not sure of the number, but I've seen iOS devices capable of... [14:15] having more than 30 or 40 tabs open at a time. [14:20] So it wouldn't be uncommon or unusual to have at least two open to two different web searches? [14:26] No. [14:27] Okay. [14:27] Scroll down a little. [14:32] And then we have a web history, the menu at 3B, the restaurant, again, the source Safari, [14:51] and then we have the difference between... [15:03] They're both different databases. [15:06] They're both associated with web browsing. [15:09] Web history is from the history component of the Safari application. [15:14] Cookies are installed through web browsing, through legislation. [15:19] When you visit a website for the first time, you'll typically be prompted to want to allow [15:22] the website to download cookies onto your device. [15:26] Cookies downloaded on your device has served a multitude of reasons. [15:29] One might be that it allows the website or the company to be able to track your activity while on their website, [15:36] which helps them for marketing and business purposes. [15:39] Another component of cookies would be to enhance the web browsing experience for a website you go to on a regular basis. [15:45] It would increase the load time. [15:47] So, it is an artifact that is indicative of web browsing. [15:53] And so, message 108, that was 6... [16:02] Yes. [16:03] And then message 112, we have a message where she says... [16:09] Yes. [16:12] And that was at 5.07 p.m. [16:16] We have a message 1.50 to Lindsay at 5 p.m. [16:22] Okay, I'll do scallop and pork belly risotto. [16:25] Is that right? [16:25] Yes. [16:26] And so, we have two phone calls here, one at 5.09 p.m. and one at 5.10 p.m. [16:43] First to 5.08-747-4950 and the other to 5.08-927-4046. [16:53] This one is for 11 seconds, correct? [16:56] That's the duration, yes. [16:58] And that's noted here above source? [17:00] Yes. [17:01] And then the second is 47 seconds? [17:03] Correct. [17:05] Did you look into these two phones? [17:09] I don't recall. [17:09] Do you recall the 508-927-4046 being the number for the 3B restaurant? [17:17] Yes. [17:18] Your search is at 5 a.m.? [17:28] That's correct. [17:33] And again, we're seeing... [17:44] Correct. [17:44] Single artifact, multiple categories that the tool parsed it as. [17:49] Oh, I'm sorry. [18:03] A message from Littrick at 5wood Stool Softener, correct? [18:11] Yes. [18:12] And then at 1.47, we have a 5.33-51 p.m. phone call from his phone to Lindsay's phone. [18:24] Yes. [18:25] And that has zeros in it for duration. [18:29] Answered? [18:32] It would be an inference. [18:33] And then... [18:48] Yes. [19:06] Yes. [19:07] And again, we have zeros here. [19:13] It's an inference, yes. [19:14] What is the jury learning here? [19:21] I mean, if you listen to this testimony, it seems like it's very ordinary communications and searches, etc. [19:26] But for prosecutors, they say this is the foundation of the premeditation, that all of this was set up by Lindsay Clancy. [19:34] Send them out on those errands to give her time to kill the children. [19:38] So I want to take a moment to tell you about something really exciting here at Law & Crime. 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[21:03] Not someone who's psychotic. [21:06] Not someone who's delusional. [21:07] Not someone who is bipolar. [21:09] But a sociopath. [21:11] And we've covered our share of sociopaths here on Court TV. [21:16] What will the jury do with that? [21:19] Is that an acknowledgment of what's going on in her head and who she thinks she is or who she knows she is? [21:28] Powerful piece of evidence coming out, again, from the searches of Lindsay Clancy. [21:35] This is an opportunity for the jury to get inside of her mind, her train of thought. [21:40] What is she thinking about? [21:44] What is she searching for? [21:46] So I don't want to leave it there, though, because she did search a lot of things. [21:51] A lot of other things. [21:52] So on cross-examination, her attorney, Kevin Reddington, bringing out some of these other searches done by Lindsay Clancy. [21:59] Once again, taking us inside the mind of the killer, the accused murderer. [22:04] Let's take a look. [22:05] Are you aware that there were searches for medical, such as questions regarding bipolar symptoms, psychosis, can you be in DKA without high blood sugar, page after page after page, trazodone, trazodone, what is the effect of trazodone, Welbutrin, how do you feel on trazodone, Ativan, addiction, Prozac, trazone, going on and on and on. [22:37] You guys saw this on her search on her phone, Celebrate, right? [22:41] I recall those searches, sir. [22:43] Do you recall, sir, that there was also a search for schizophrenia? [22:53] Not specifically. [22:54] Sir, your extraction? [22:58] Yes, sir. [23:01] January 19th, 2023, 9.58, 01 seconds, AM. [23:09] There is a keyword search in psychosis and a Google search. [23:22] Keyword search, as you said, Google search on January 20th? [23:29] January 20th, 2023, 8.39, and 0 seconds, PM. [23:34] Also a search, Seroquel. [23:40] Seroquel is part of a search, yes. [23:43] The rest of the search? [23:45] On Seroquel, feel like I can't have a conversation. [23:48] Can you tell us when she was playing suicide? [23:51] December 29th, 2022, 1.02, 14 seconds, PM. [23:57] She also Googled a number of occasions, sleep. [24:05] Sleep is one keyword and part of a Google search, correct? [24:08] And then there's a number of pages that are attached to that dealing with the search for sleep, correct? [24:13] That's correct, sir. [24:18] Do you know the time frame that we're talking about, the Celebrate search? [24:32] Multiple entries, sir. [24:34] The majority of them are in January of 2023. [24:37] Also, which is trazodone. [24:46] Yes, sir. Trazodone is one keyword as part of multiple Google searches. [24:55] It's all left. [24:56] If I may just remove this, sir. [25:06] Yeah, sure. [25:08] Earliest entry is December 31st, 2022, 4.07, 48 seconds, PM. [25:14] Last entry, all on the same date, December 31st, 2022, 7.06, 39 seconds, PM. [25:21] The search for benzo withdrawals, right? [25:31] Yes, sir. Benzo is listed as a keyword as part of another search. [25:35] Also, after benzo, it says withdrawals, right? [25:37] Correct. [25:39] Correct. January 20th, 2023, 8, 11, 57 seconds, PM. [25:48] And also a search. [25:56] Yes, sir. [25:57] Well, which is a keyword as part of a Google search. [26:01] It does. [26:02] January 16th, 2023, 9, 14, 47 seconds, AM. [26:07] McClain. [26:13] Correct, sir. McClain is part of a keyword of a Google search. [26:18] McClain. [26:20] December 29th, 2022, 8, 52, 37 seconds, AM. [26:26] Also. [26:31] Yes, sir. [26:37] Insomnia is part of a keyword of a Google search. [26:39] December 31st, 2022, 7, 12, 58 seconds, PM. [26:47] December 31st, 2022, sir. [27:02] Yes, sir. [27:03] Ketamine is part of a Google search. [27:05] It's a keyword within the Google search. [27:06] For this entry, January 20th, 2023, 8, 39, 0 seconds, PM. [27:14] We'll celebrate Lamictal. [27:24] Yes, the word Lamictal is part of a Google search. [27:27] And what's the time? [27:29] January 16th, 2023, 9, 23, 13 seconds, AM. [27:35] Also a keyword search for post-Google searches for postpartum depression. [27:48] Yes, sir. [27:56] And what's the time? [27:57] They all occur within January of 2023, with the earliest date, meaning the 11th of January, [28:12] 2023, and proceeding all the way to the 19th of January, 2023. [28:16] Search for bipolar. [28:22] Keyword bipolar is part of a Google search, correct. [28:25] Bracketed in. [28:26] What's the time that it started? [28:27] When did it end? [28:28] The earliest entry from this report is December 29th, 2022, 9, AM, 37 seconds. [28:39] And the last entry is January 13th, 2023, 1, 38, 42 seconds, PM. [28:44] As a parent, the search as well? [28:51] That's correct, sir. [28:52] Give me an idea, what's the time? [28:55] All of the searches in this report indicate January 18th, 2023, in the morning hours from [29:02] 11, 26, AM to 11, 27, AM. [29:06] The next one would be Ativan. [29:10] You see what says Ativan? [29:11] The earliest time frame, sir? [29:19] December 31st, 2022, 7, 06, 30 seconds, PM. [29:23] The next one would be Amitriptyline. [29:31] I'm not sure on the pronunciation, but it appears to be that way. [29:34] What's the Amitriptyline search? [29:36] When did it start? [29:37] When did it end? [29:37] January 16th, 2023, 11, 01, 28 seconds, AM, with the last entry being January 23rd, 2023, [29:51] 8, 17, 58 seconds, PM. [29:53] And then on January 20th, she's searching intrusive. [29:59] January 19th, 2023, was she searching hallucinations? [30:18] Yes, sir. [30:18] 10, 33, 49 seconds, AM. [30:25] Okay. [30:26] What's the takeaway from all of that, right? [30:28] What's the takeaway? [30:29] What's the image? [30:30] What's the picture that's in your mind? [30:32] I know the image that's in my mind because I've been there. [30:35] There's something wrong. [30:36] You know there's something wrong with you, and you are desperately, desperately looking [30:40] for an answer. [30:42] That helps the defense. [30:47] Prosecutors don't have to prove motive. [30:49] We hear that phrase all the time. [30:51] And then it's always followed by, yeah, but in this case. [30:54] Well, I'm going to say, yeah, but in this case. [30:58] Because if you look at what's happening here, this trial is about the why of it. [31:04] It really is. [31:07] And the defense is saying the why is very obvious. [31:10] It's the mental illness. [31:12] It's the bad diagnosis. [31:14] It's the over-medication. [31:15] That's why she did it. [31:17] So prosecutors need to address the issue. [31:21] I'm sorry. [31:21] It's not an element of the crime, but you need to address it to attempt to disprove [31:26] that the mental illness is what did it. [31:31] To disprove that it was the medication or the over-medication that did it. [31:36] So let's take a listen to this part of the testimony from the lead investigator [31:41] talking about some journal entries. [31:44] And this, again, it takes us into the mind, the thinking, the mens rea of the defendant, [31:51] Lindsay Clancy. [31:52] Let's take a look. [31:53] This area here, this separate report, is this notes that were found on Ms. Clancy's phone? [32:03] That's correct. [32:05] And if we could zoom in on that, please. [32:10] There's basically... [32:15] Yes. [32:15] And if we could just scroll down to make this entry, read a portion of the note, I would [32:32] read it. [32:32] I'm sorry. [32:38] I'm sad and depressed because I am not able to parent my third child like my first. [32:42] I want to treat any one of my babies like my first, but I know that's not a feasible [32:47] possibility. [32:49] I'm sad that I stopped breastfeeding. [32:51] I feel not as connected with Cal now. [32:54] I think I sort of resent my other children because they prevent me from treating Cal like [32:57] my first baby. [32:59] And I know that's not fair to them. [33:00] I know that. [33:01] I was feeling so depressed last evening when Cor and Dawson came home from school. [33:06] I know runs off on them. [33:08] So we had a pretty rough evening. [33:10] I want to feel love and connection with all my kids. [33:13] I'm also probably having a bit of an internal conflict because my whole life I've wanted [33:17] to have a lot of kids. [33:18] I still don't want Cal to be our last, but I have a lot of figuring out to do before I [33:22] have another. [33:23] I'm on the fence about starting a new medication for anxiety slash depression. [33:27] I just want to feel happy. [33:29] I want to be able to relax and take care of my kids. [33:33] And when they go to bed at night, I want to deeply relax and hang out with Pat and then [33:37] fall into a deep sleep for eight hours, get up and pour heart into myself for an hour [33:42] and a half. [33:43] Cal was so very planned and desired. [33:45] I want to be able to give him all the love he deserves. [33:48] I guess that's what it's like to be the third child, though. [33:52] He's not the first third child to ever exist. [33:54] I think I know he'll be okay, but it's really hard for me. [33:59] I hate that he has to put himself to sleep. [34:01] I'm sad I'm not breastfeeding anymore, but I think deep down these are the right choices. [34:14] As for the sleep training, I needed a baby that slept through the night because I simply [34:17] do not have the opportunity in my life to catch up on sleep. [34:20] I just don't. [34:22] If there was a time for me to nap every day, then that may not have been the case, but [34:26] there really isn't. [34:27] When Cal naps, I have to take care of Cora and Dawson. [34:30] That's just how it is. [34:31] It feels cruel to me that we did not do that to Cal, but the reality is we did what we [34:36] had to do. [34:37] I guess I also feel slightly traumatized by the sleep training, but that feeling was [34:41] only really present when I was severely sleep-deprived and paranoid. [34:45] I know what we did was the right thing and okay. [34:47] As for the breastfeeding, it kind of goes hand-in-hand with the sleep training. [34:51] Once he started sleeping most of the night, it was then a daily struggle to keep up my [34:55] milk supply. [34:56] I was having to take a ton of supplements and constantly think about eating and drinking [35:00] enough to keep the supply up, and then I was having to think about pumping extra to keep [35:04] it up, and that was really hard to do with Cora and Dawson around. [35:08] When I tried to leave Cal to go out with Cora and Dawson, I was stressed about the pumping, [35:12] and not to mention the fact that Cal was at home and not taking a bottle, so it was a battle [35:16] of if I should pump or not. [35:20] I know I did the right thing because I need to be able to leave Cal with someone and get [35:27] fed. [35:28] As much as I don't want to leave them, I need to be able to. [35:31] I need to be able to be present with my other kids. [35:34] I still really, really want a fourth child, but I need a really good therapist before then. [35:39] I'm on the fence about starting a new med or not. [35:42] I want to feel happy, but it would be nice to feel authentically happy and not fake. [35:46] But I need to feel happier than I did last evening because then I was pretty depressed [35:49] and not enjoying any of my children. [35:52] It was really sad. [35:53] I needed the breastfeeding off of my plate. [35:56] I'm struggling so hard because I wanted to parent each of my kids like my first, and [36:00] since I can't, that's depressing to me. [36:02] This is definitely the root cause of all our problems. [36:05] Now I feel like I'm not parenting any of my kids the way I want to, and that makes me [36:09] sad too. [36:10] But I'm going to try my best today. [36:13] Things I love doing that help me love and appreciate and enjoy my kids are activities [36:21] with them. [36:22] I definitely started having some depression after Cora, but once I started getting up and [36:27] out with her, I felt much better. [36:28] I think signing Cal up for baby music class would be a great thing. [36:33] Maybe Fridays can be my day with him. [36:35] I've just fallen out of the habit of doing anything fun, anything for myself, anything [36:39] with Pat, and I need to work on that. [36:42] On a positive note, I had a great deep night of sleep. [36:45] I'm terrified of something happening to my kids or doing something wrong to mess up their [36:49] development. [36:51] Our generation is inundated with information about every aspect of parenting and everything [36:55] that go wrong if you don't get it right. [36:57] And all the scary things happening in the world, it's insane. [37:01] For the last five years, I've just filled my mind with all things parenting, and it's [37:04] just unhealthy. [37:05] Thank you. [37:10] And so everything that you just read would have been written and filled in by the user, [37:15] correct? [37:15] Correct. [37:16] It's sad, isn't it? [37:25] But it takes us inside of her mind. [37:27] I mean, this, but what does this mean? [37:31] Does this mean that she just didn't want to be a parent anymore? [37:33] I can't take it? [37:34] I'm going to get rid of, I'm going to get rid of all of them because I can't get a good [37:40] night's sleep. [37:41] Is that really what's going on here? [37:44] Or is that her in her journal writing, trying to work through this, this depression that [37:53] has set upon her, this postpartum depression that the defense says then transitioned into [38:01] a psychosis. [38:02] This is not an easy case. [38:05] This is an incredibly sad and tragic case. [38:09] There have been a lot of dramatic moments inside the courtroom during the trial of Lindsay [38:15] Clancy. [38:16] Some of it has been heart-wrenching. [38:17] Some of it has been very, very difficult for everyone involved. [38:21] But the moment when the medical examiner was testifying about the injuries to Lindsay's [38:28] five-year-old daughter, Cora, Lindsay Clancy lost it. [38:32] Judge had to stop everything, clear the courtroom, and restore some sense of order and decorum inside [38:41] that courtroom. [38:42] But the real question here on this issue of the jury seeing this and hearing this the [38:50] way we heard it through the microphones that were nowhere near Lindsay Clancy in the courtroom [38:55] is that what does the jury do with this information? [39:01] Do they feel any level of sympathy for Lindsay Clancy? [39:07] Does she look like someone who is showing absolute remorse and disbelief in what she did [39:12] as a result of mental illness or do the sympathies that the jury's feeling at this moment go to the [39:24] daughter Cora, the one who suffered, the one who was strangled to death by her own mother? [39:31] This is a crucial, crucial moment despite the fact that it's focused on something that's [39:39] happening in the courtroom that is not from the witness stand. [39:41] It's from the defendant's table as she sits there in her wheelchair. [39:48] So I'm going to show you that moment, but I want you to think about what's the takeaway [39:53] for the 12 people who must decide what to do with Lindsay Clancy. [39:59] Let's take a look. [40:01] And did you perform an autopsy on Cora Clancy on January 25th, 2023? [40:06] Yes. [40:07] And did you follow that same process with Cora Clancy? [40:10] Yes. [40:11] And so that started with a document review, is that correct? [40:14] Yes. [40:14] And what type of documents are you reviewing when you do that? [40:17] Typically I have a preliminary police report to review as well as either EMS records or records [40:25] from the emergency department. [40:26] And did you start with an external examination of Cora? [40:30] Yes. [40:31] And what did you observe during that external examination? [40:34] The external examination of Cora, I saw evidence of medical intervention. [40:39] She was intubated, had various EKG pads and defibrillator pads on her body. [40:44] She also had a catheter on her right hand and puncture sites on her left hand and her left groin. [40:51] She had her neck stabilized with a cervical collar, and she had an intraosseous catheter, [40:56] which is a type of IV they put directly into the bone on her right lower leg. [41:01] Her hands, at the time of my external examination, were covered by police evidence bags, and they were secured at the wrist with tape. [41:09] When I removed those, the fingers showed no evidence of injury, and the fingernails were all of equal length and intact. [41:16] And then I noted evidence of trauma of the neck with associated injuries of her head and minor injuries of her right arm and of her legs as well. [41:26] And in terms of the injuries that you observed, evidence of trauma to her neck, were there also injuries to her face and neck area that seemed to go along with the trauma to her neck? [41:49] Yes, there were findings of the head that were associated with the trauma of the neck. [41:54] And what were those? [41:55] So on her neck, she had a ligature furrow. [41:59] A ligature is an object used to apply external force to the neck or compress the neck, [42:04] and a furrow is simply the pattern of injury that develops underneath the side of compression. [42:09] So for Cora, her ligature furrow consisted of a linear, horizontally-oriented area of pallor or paleness around her neck [42:18] with distinct superior and inferior edges. [42:22] On the front part of her neck, the lower half of the ligature furrow was associated with additional red abrasions, [42:29] ranging from 1 to 2 millimeters in size. [42:32] And on the back of her neck, the superior and inferior edges of the ligature furrow had developed some linear bruising as well. [42:41] And what do you mean by a furrow? [42:43] Um, so again, the furrow, uh, is, a ligature is when you have external compression by an object on the neck, [42:50] and a furrow is simply a pattern of injury that occurs beneath it. [42:54] It can be an imprint, it could be a pattern, or it could be more developed types of injuries, such as bruising or abrasions. [43:00] And what, what about, um, injuries? [43:04] All right, counsel, could, you want me to take a break? [43:11] All right, sure, close your notebook. [43:15] Place them on the chairs, please. [43:19] Just wait a minute. [43:19] Recess for a few minutes, I'm going to come back. [43:54] We'll speak to counsel in regards to, uh, schedule. [43:57] Thank you. [43:58] Okay. [43:58] Thank you, everyone. [44:04] You look at that moment, right? [44:06] And then, what, what is the takeaway here? [44:11] How does the jury interpret this? [44:14] The mother realizing the horror that she created, and then holding her responsible for it? [44:20] Do they look at this and say, I can't believe prosecutors are putting this mother through this again? [44:28] And to me, this is a big deal, because this is a case where the, the evidence, it's such a close call that if there is some sort of visceral, emotional reaction from the jury, that could be the filter through which they see the rest of this case and how they interpret it. [44:47] If there's a level of sympathy for Lindsay Clancy, that's a big, big problem for prosecutors. [44:55] Because you feel sympathetic for someone, you're going to want to see if you can help them. [44:59] And how can you help? [45:00] Well, you help them by finding them not criminally responsible. [45:05] But if the sympathies lie with the innocent children whose lives were taken and, and what they went through, you're going to want to hold someone responsible for that. [45:18] And again, while this was a moment where the testimony is important, it is significant, right? [45:25] In a murder case, you want, the jury has to understand how and why these children died. [45:29] But on the other hand, the, the, the breakdown of this defendant in her wheelchair with her two nurses running out to try to help her. [45:39] If that garners sympathy for her, um, it could go a long way to this jury finding her not criminally responsible. [45:48] That's it for this time. [45:51] Obviously our coverage of this trial continues. [45:53] I'm Vinnie Politan. [45:54] Thank you so much for watching. [45:56] In the meantime, please don't forget to hug the kids.