City Council — Apr 15, 2026

Thank you. Good evening and welcome. The April 15, 2026 City Plantation City Council meeting is now called to order at 6 o'clock. Ms. Biggerow, please call the roll. Councilmember Anderson. Here. Councilmember Andreu. Here. Councilmember Fadgen. Here. Councilmember Horland. Here. Councilmember Einstein. Here. Mayor Sortel. Here. City Attorney Ezra. Here. Thank you. Thank you very much. If you're with us tonight, I hope you've all gotten your taxes done since you're here in council chambers tonight. We have until midnight, yes. Tonight's opening remarks and Pledge of Allegiance will be provided by Councilmember Andreu. Thank you, President Horland. March 27th, several of us joined the Broward League of Cities, which many of you know. The president for the Broward League of Cities is our council president, Denise Horland, and they put on a wonderful professional development workshop about the Dignity Index. The Dignity Index is, well, Dignity is defined as the mutual recognition of the desire to be seen, heard, listened to, and treated fairly, to be recognized, understood, and to feel safe in the world. That's according to Donna Hicks. We all received copies of the Dignity Index to remind us of transforming our leadership in divisive times and to look in the mirror at our own behavior to apply the index, not necessarily looking at others to rate them. The funny thing about this in-service was that most of the participants who were there that morning, they didn't necessarily need to be there. They weren't the ones who really needed to hear this, although it is always good information, particularly Vice Mayor Nancy Mateer of Coral Springs. Nancy could have facilitated the workshop herself. As Commissioner Easton Harrison of Lauderdale Lake said, Commissioner Mateer was the glue that held so many of us together. Our colleague on the commission and her colleague, Joshua Simmons, described the Vice Mayor as centered on equity, justice, and sustainability. We have lost a colleague and a friend, a cheerleader, and a confidant. And her family lost a daughter, a sister, cousin, niece, and a fur mom. And our world is a little bit darker. But Nancy will not be forgotten. Her light and her life will live on in our hearts and in the work that we all do and we will continue to do. So I encourage everyone here and everyone watching and listening to live like Nancy, to be strong, to set goals, and then surpass those goals, to stand up for what is right, to speak up for those that don't always have a voice, and to keep the Mateer family in your thoughts and your prayers during this very difficult time. Thank you. I don't know if we have any of the students from Plantation Elementary here. I didn't get confirmation. But they were going to lead the pledge. Since I don't see them. I have some Central Park students who are here on a scavenger hunt, if you'd like to have them step in. Listen, Central Park scavenger hunt students, why don't you come and lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance? We would be honored to have you. Okay. Just make sure the green light is on. Press the button for us. All right. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you so much for that impromptu pledge. We appreciate you, Central Park Elementary. Thank you, President Hortland. Thank you, Council Member Andrew, not just for bringing up the Dignity Index, which was an important initiative, but for mentioning our friend and colleague, Nancy Mater. She led with dignity. She led with intention. And I think she really was the best of all of us. I'd like to personally thank Mr. Nunamaker, Chief Schlegel, and the mayor for the sensitivity and care in which you handled this and your phone calls to me. And not only keeping her family in Coral Springs, the loss that they've endured, but also our community, because she was going to run for Congress, and she would have represented part of Plantation, and I'm certain that she would have won that race. So it's a loss for all of us. So thank you, Council Member Andrea. Items submitted by the mayor. Thank you very much. First off, Jesse Bastos of the Broward Soil and Water Conservation District is going to come give some awards. And also, because we don't often get to hear what a soil and water conservation district does, we're going to get a little bit of a briefing, too. Did I get that right? That is correct. All right. Thank you so much, Mayor Sordal, Council Member, staff. I'm excited to be here this evening and take a moment to share updates from the Broward Soil and Water Conservation District. First, a few quick things about myself. Besides being your supervisor for seat four of the district, I'm also the mother of three handsome young men, one who's at UF, two are at Western High School. I serve on multiple committees across the county. In addition to the Broward Soil and Water Conservation District, I'm also vice chair of Davies Planning and Zoning Committee, chair of Davies Agricultural and Environmental Advisory Committee, board member with the Broward County Farm Bureau, and member of several school advisory committees, to name a few. I'm the proud product of District 6 public schools, and I'm also a candidate for District 6 of the Broward County School Board, which includes parts of plantation. So who we are? The district as a whole is comprised of five elected supervisors across Broward County, as well as an appointed district administrator, Sarah Ramonka, who's here with me today. I was appointed to an open seat over three years ago and was elected to continue representing District 4 last year, thanks to many of you in this room. So to understand our impact today, it's important to know why soil and water conservation districts came into existence, which was a result of the devastating Dust Bowl of the 1930s. At that time, we didn't have sufficient understanding of the environment of the Plains region, so as settlers were encouraged to move out and farm the land, they unknowingly removed essential prairie grasses that had been holding down the region's soil for centuries. When extreme drought came to the region in the 1930s, it created massive blizzards of dust, forcing families into poverty, many of whom abandoned their homes and headed west in search of work. After that, Congress quickly declared soil and water a national priority, and through a series of bills, soil and water conservation districts were created across the country with a primary purpose to educate farmers and landowners on best management practices to conserve soil and water and to protect against future catastrophes. Meanwhile, right here in Broward County, we were just entering into our peak agricultural era, with residents farming thousands of acres of orange groves, dairy farms, and vegetable fields. So eventually, in 1964, the Broward Soil and Water Conservation District was established. So many of you might ask, we don't have all of these farms today, why do we still need Broward Soil and Water Conservation Districts? While much of our original farmland has long been sold for development, we still have a substantial agricultural economy. Eighty-nine percent of it is comprised of landscape nurseries, and the remaining 11 percent is divided up between poultry, vegetables, and equestrian activities. Unfortunately, there are also many conservation challenges that we face today. Garbage is a major issue as our landfills are filling up. Just last year, Broward County voted to expand Monarch Hill 24 acres wider and 100 feet taller, despite the outcry of nearby residents in Coconut Creek and Deerfield Beach. We have other ways of dealing with garbage, including trucking it out of state, which is costly and not environmentally practical, and burning it in incinerators, which is not environmentally friendly. No one wants them in their backyard, and they have a history of catching fire. Another concern is that of water supply. Broward's drinking water is just a few feet below the ground and needs to be kept protected from contaminants and saltwater intrusion. And finally, we have learned in recent years that we're just one pandemic or catastrophe away from an unstable food supply, and most of us have forgotten the basics of how to grow our own food. So the focus of the Broward Soil and Water Conservation District has evolved with our changing landscape. We still educate the agricultural industry on best management practices, and along with that, a more recent focus also includes compost education. According to the Environmental Protection Agency, more than 50 percent of what gets added to landfills could have been composted. This includes food waste, yard clippings, and cardboard. Other focuses of our district include teaching the community how to grow food, such as through community garden workshops supported in Davie. We help connect schools with garden grants, and we've given away over 1,000 edible plants for home and school gardens, many of them to some of the kids in this room. We also enjoy inspiring youth and parents alike to grow food, compost at home, and become inspired stewards of the environment through fun and interactive festival activities. Of course, no one organization can tackle these challenges alone. We actively seek out collaborations with like-minded organizations across the county, with many of our supervisors also serving as members of these organizations. We invest in opportunities to stay current on industry standards, participating in learning opportunities, certification programs, and tours of compost and waste facilities. Altogether, our supervisors log over 1,100 hours per year advancing conservation within Broward County. And it's important to note that our organization does not levy taxes, and our supervisors do not draw any income from our activities as public servants. We very much enjoyed participating, along with Council Member Reinstein, in the City of Plantation's Martin Luther King Jr. Day of Service project at the Plantation Community Center earlier this year. We participated in several festivals where we hosted an original activity I created called Race to Reduce Waste, where kids and adults are tasked with digging through pretend garbage to find the compostable material and fill up their compost bin before their opponent beats them to it. And you may notice in several of these pictures, you may see some common faces. And that is because there are a few very special individuals who have consistently raised their hands to volunteer for everything from helping at festivals, counting butterflies for the annual pollinator census, to weekly maintenance activities at the Robbins Garden, where they've helped grow and harvest over 700 pounds of organic fruits and vegetables for the Dorit and Benjanae Cupboard Food Pantry in Davie. So, at this time, I have the pleasure of presenting the winners of our Broward Soil and Water Conservation District 2026 Conservation Steward Awards, selected for their unwavering commitment to conservation within Broward County. Please join me in congratulating Plantation residents Christian Mize, Matthew Striggler, Samantha Striggler, and the one and only 2021 Broward County Public School Teacher of the Year and Central Park Elementary Premier Educator and my good friend, Mrs. Monica Mormon. If we could have you all come up real quick for your awards. All right. And with that, I'll leave you with my contact information. I want to thank you for your time this evening and the opportunity to present. I look forward to working closely with the City of Plantation on additional initiatives in the future. Thank you. Thank you, Supervisor Bastos. Mayor? Next up, we have a proclamation from American High. I saw somebody here. Second row. There you are. Come on down. Whereas American High School is dedicated to uniquely preparing all students, including traditional students, homeschoolers, marginalized youth, gifted learners, at-risk students, and juvenile justice-involved youth to become global citizens through authentic learning experiences and personal accountability. Whereas American High School utilizes advanced technologies, including virtual reality, augmented reality, career and technical education, and artificial intelligence to ensure graduates are prepared to successfully enter the workforce. Whereas American High School has been named a semi-finalist for the prestigious YAS Prize, earning national recognition for sustainable, transformative impact in education. And whereas through its micro-school model, American High School delivers personalized learning at scale by providing small, individualized environments with tailored academic plans, flexible pacing, and direct mentorship. Whereas American High School integrates career-focused programming, industry certifications, and future-ready skills development. Now, therefore, I, Nick Sortel, Mayor, and the City Council Plantation, hereby recognize and commend American High School. You want to talk for a minute? All right. Thank you so much, Mayor Sortel, the distinguished commissioners, and members of the Plantation community. This is an incredible honor. To be recognized by the City of Plantation is deeply meaningful, not just for American High School, a K-12 school in Broward County, Florida, but the students and the community we serve every day. It is especially meaningful that this recognition comes from a community that is now part of a much larger story, as our work has begun to gain national attention. We are proud to say that American High School, only two blocks from City Hall, was recently named, as Mayor Sortel said, the 2025 YAS Prize semi-finalist. It is with this honor that it is considered the Pulitzer Prize of Education Innovation, recognizing organizations across the United States that are redefining what's possible in education. Out of the thousands of applicants nationwide, only 22 were selected as semi-finalists, which is a powerful validation of the work that we do. We are with the belief that education must work for all students, not just the ones that fit in the system. Traditional, ESC, students who are behind, students who are gifted, students who are at risk of dropping out, students' balancing work, family, and real-life challenges, but also the ones the system was never designed to serve, the forgotten, the invisible, justice-involved youth. By providing American High School solutions within the juvenile delinquent facilities, we are giving them a second chance, all in an effort to reduce recidivism and to go on to be contributing and productive citizens. We are transforming lives. Students who once felt invisible now begin to see possibility. Students who had given up begin to re-engage. Students who are counted out now begin to build their future. That work, that is what our work is all about, and this is why this recognition from the City of Plantation and Mayor Shortell matters to us so much, because this signals something bigger. It signals that this community values innovation and education. It values equity and access. It values solutions that are sustainable, transformational, and built to reach those who need it the most. Those are the kind of solutions that don't just change individual lives. They strengthen entire communities. We are strengthening communities through education, but only when we're bold enough to make and build what others believe may not be possible. Because traditional models aren't working, we can't solve today's challenges with yesterday's systems. Because access must be reimagined. Education must reach students wherever they are without barriers. Because innovation feels unattainable at first, the best solutions often seem unrealistic until they transform lives. Because urgency matters. Students who need opportunity now, now can't start or wait for slow change. And this is why we are so grateful to stand here today to affirm a shared commitment with the City of Plantation, a commitment to expand opportunity, a commitment to reaching as many students as possible, online and or through our hybrid micro school, which is thriving. A commitment to building a future where education truly works for everyone. Mayor Sorto, commissioners, and the Plantation community, thank you for your leadership, your vision, and your support. We are proud to serve, we are proud to be a partner, and we are just getting started together. Plantation has the opportunity to lead, not just in Florida, but across the nation, as a model for what modern, inclusive, technology-driven education can look like. And the question is no longer if this future is possible, it's whether we choose to lead it, and we do. Thank you. Council Member Horland will read. Yes, I've got it, Mayor. Oh, you're going to come down? Thank you. I'd like to invite the City of Plantation Environmental Landscape Division, as well as Jordan Chang from the American Society of Landscape Architects, to join me at the moment, please. Mike's not on. Whereas, landscape architecture encompasses the analysis, planning, design, and the stewardship of the natural and built environment, translating vision into action to shape places that are healthy, safe, and resilient. Whereas, Wednesday, April 1st, 2026 is recognized as Professional Landscape Architecture, PLA Day, celebrating the licensed professionals whose expertise in science, technology, engineering, and mathematics, STEM, is essential to the infrastructure and quality of life in the City of Plantation. And whereas, as the United States approaches America 250, we recognize that landscape architects have historically shaped and continue to steward the American landscape, creating enduring places that embody democratic values and cultural heritage, and advance opportunities for future generations. And whereas, the licensed practice of landscape architecture is a critical safeguard for public safety, health, and welfare, ensuring that outdoor environments, from therapeutic gardens and playgrounds to complex stormwater and transportation systems, are designed with technical rigor and ethical responsibility. Whereas, landscape architects are uniquely qualified to address a changing climate through resilient and sustainable green infrastructure design strategies that restore ecosystems, mitigate environmental hazards, and reduce the long-term financial burden of disaster recovery on state and local governments. And whereas, the economy of the City of Plantation is strengthened by the work of licensed landscape architects and the accredited programs at Florida International University and the University of Florida, who together foster tourism, economic development, and environmental protection. And whereas, landscape architecture is a regulated profession in all 50 states, and the Florida Department of Business and Professional Regulation ensures the highest standards of professional competence through rigorous education, experience, and examination requirements. And now, therefore, Nick Sorrell, Mayor, and the City Council of Plantation, Florida, do hereby proclaim April 2026 as Landscape Architecture Month and call upon all residents to celebrate landscape architecture action and the essential role landscape architects play in shaping a resilient, safe, and enduring America landscape as we move toward America 250. So, I think that our environmental design group doesn't always get the respect that they deserve and the acknowledgement, so we appreciate all that you do. But I'd like to introduce tonight Jordan, who will speak to, receive the proclamation and speak about this. Go ahead, Jordan. Good afternoon, and big thank you to you for reading the proclamation, presenting, and supporting. On behalf of the Florida chapter of the American Society of Landscape Architects, thank you for recognizing World Landscape Architecture Month. My name is Jordan Chang. I am currently the Broward Section Chair for ASLA Florida. Landscape architecture is the profession dedicated to shaping outdoor environments where daily life unfolds. Licensed landscape architects plan and design spaces of all scales, from neighborhood parks and streetscapes to campuses, waterfronts, and entire communities. Our work brings together design, science, and stewardship, and we create places that manage stormwater, reduce urban heat, and protect natural systems, while also fostering connection, recreation, and economic vitality. Whether it's making a street safer to walk, a park more welcoming, or a community more resilient to climate challenges, landscape architects improve quality of life in tangible ways. Thank you again for this recognition, and for supporting the value of thoughtful, resilient design. Thank you for being here. Thank you. I'll send you the photo tomorrow. Okay, thank you again, Jordan. Bye-bye. All right. We got this down every year. I see you right here every year. It is Crime Victims' Rights Week, and this is Debbie Geller, who is our victim's advocate in Plantation. I'm going to read a little bit of this, but you have a speech, don't you? I do. Your speech is better than the proclamation. Whereas crime in America has a devastating impact on victims, whereas no victim or survivor should have to endure the trauma of victimization and its impact, whereas the community of crime victims and survivors, those who serve them and countless allies work together to ensure victims' needs are identified, whereas there's more than 12,000 systems and community-based victim services programs across the nation, whereas 2026 is the 45th anniversary of National Crime Victims' Rights Week, whereas this time-honored tradition unites all who care about crime, and whereas during the 2026 National Crime Victims' Rights Week, we recommit our efforts to promote and strengthen the extensive community that supports and services victims. Therefore, I, Nick Soto Mayor, City Council Plantation, hereby proclaim the week of April 19 to 25 to be Crime Victims' Rights Week. Thank you. Hi, everybody. Good evening. Before I start, I want to say something to Council Member Andreu. Thank you for the opening remarks that you gave, talking about Dignity Index. I never heard of that. And for your words about the Coral Springs Vice Mayor. I am so very sorry for your loss. In line with that, National Crime Victims' Rights Week is April 19 through the 25th, like the mayor said. It began in 1981, and it's challenged our nation to confront and remove barriers to achieve justice for all victims of crime. During National Crime Victims' Rights Week, we recognize the accomplishments of victims' rights and the movement and how far we have come, but how far we still have to go. This year's theme is called Listen, Act, and Advocate. It calls on communities to create safe spaces where survivors are heard, believed, and supported while ensuring their rights are protected throughout the criminal justice system. Safety, justice, and healing are not just individual concerns. They are collective community responsibilities. By listening, acting, and advocating, we create communities where survivors' rights are honored and prevention becomes possible. This National Crime Victims' Rights Week, we recommit ourselves to ensure that every victim's voice is heard and every community stands together in the support and healing and justice of survivors. Victims of crime can call me, 954-797-2172. Women in distress is our 24-hour certified domestic violence shelter, 954-761-1133. And the National Domestic Violence Hotline has over 200 languages. That number is 1-800-799-7233. Thank you, I don't know where he went. Oh, he's back there. Thank you, Mayor Sortel, obviously, for your continued support of crime survivors. Thank you to Chief Schlegel for his continued support of crime survivors and their family members and loved ones. And thank you to all of the Plantation Police Department officers, detectives, and civilians who really, really put crime victims first. Thank you. Thank you. Mayor, before you continue, I just want to also make sure to share again with the public that also in observance of Victim Crime Week on April 22nd, so next Wednesday night at 5.30 p.m. here at City Hall, we are bringing attorneys from Coast to Coast Legal Aid of South Florida for a free presentation on protecting seniors regarding fraud and scam prevention and knowing your rights and asserting victims' rights. And so that will be here at City Hall at 5.30. It will be a presentation from Coast to Coast Legal Aid for the public. Thank you. Thank you. Is anybody here for Fair Housing Month? Oh, come on up. I was looking for you. Okay. Sorry, I skipped over you all. Okay. Thank you. Best of all, therefore, I, Nick Sortel, Mayor, City Council Plantation, hereby proclaim April 2026 as Fair Housing Month. Thank you. Good evening. I'm Edlyn Griffith from Planning and Zoning. I have the director and assistant director with me. I just want to say thank you, Mayor Sortel. Thank you, City Council, for the importance of remembering to recognize Fair Housing Month. In 2026, families are still dealing with unfair practices as it relates to searching for homes and houses and also for rentals. So it's important that we keep the awareness. Thank you. Thank you. Thanks, Mayor. Before Ms. O'Toole comes up, I was notified late this afternoon that Ms. Monica Moorman and her students from Central Park Elementary were coming on a scavenger hunt at City Hall. And part of that scavenger hunt was participating, watching, and listening to our City Council meeting. So I'd like Ms. Moorman to come up. We didn't know you were going to do the pledge tonight. But I'd like you to come up quickly and just tell us what the students are doing, if you will. I want your students to join you. Guys, look up at the screen. You recognize that? So we've all had Ms. Moorman and some of her students in over the years. Each year that I go in there, we do a thing about candidates, political ads, and governance. And this group of students, I'll tell you, they will lead with dignity, Councilmember Andreu. They make the right choices. They know the right things to do as leaders. And they just did an amazing job when I asked them why they were running for the certain offices that they were. So I'm so happy that you're here tonight to see what we do. So Ms. Moorman, go ahead and tell us quickly what students are doing. Monica Moorman, Central Park Elementary, one of our amazing local public schools. With my amazing students. And we are here today because we are currently studying government, national, state, and local. And as you may imagine, it's a complex concept. So I figured what better way than to come here today and just sit back and take it all in. They do have a scavenger hunt-like task to complete, which we will discuss tomorrow. Correct? But I also wanted to applaud my students because there are so many things a third grader can be doing on Wednesday afternoon. And yet they showed up. It's an optional task. And here we are. So thank you for having us. And thank you guys, right? We are happy to be here. Thank you guys for being here. Thank you, Mrs. Moorman. Thank you. Yeah, turn around. And Michelle will take your picture. Yeah, let us stand. Hold on. Yeah, we're standing behind you. Come on. Sorry, you got him. Thank you. Oh, we're not done. One more. One more. Thank you. Thank you, Mayor and Council, for your indulgence and Ms. O'Toole. It's really important that these students learn about governance and to be able to see us in action at an early age. So thank you. You're welcome. It's Ms. O'Keefe, actually. No, Ms. O'Keefe. You answered anything. It's Tag's Day. Give him a little break. Good evening. A couple of events we've got coming up in the Parks and Rec Department, starting with this Saturday. April 18th is our Earth Day celebration. That's from 10 a.m. to 1 p.m. at Seminole Park. Also on Saturday, the 18th, is Relay for Life, 5 p.m. to 10 p.m. at Central Park. Although a couple weeks away, just a reminder, Friday, May 1st, is our last Rock the Park of the season. We did have a band change at the last minute. It's going to be the best of Rod Stewart now. The heart cover band sustained some sort of injury, so they had to back out, but we're good. Saturday, May 2nd, mark your calendars. Our second water safety day will take place at the Aquatic Complex at Central Park. That will be from 10 a.m. to 2 p.m. We've got two horse shows coming up at the Equestrian Center this Sunday, April 19th, and Sunday the 26th. Both start at 8 a.m., and in athletics, PAL is registering for flag football and summer basketball. Follow us on social media at Plantation Parks. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. O'Toole. All right. We will now recess the city council meeting at 636 and call to order the CRA meeting. Ms. Beggarow, when you're ready, if you could please call the roll. Commissioner Anderson? Here. Commissioner Andreu? Here. Commissioner Fajan? Here. Commissioner Horland? Here. Commissioner Reinstein? Here. Commissioner Sortel? Here. City Attorney Ezra? Here. Thank you. Thank you very much. Whoops. There goes a gavel. The CRA Consent Agenda consists of Items 1 through 4 this evening and may be approved with one motion. Commissioners, does anyone wish to pull an item? Nobody. And let me check. Mr. Conklin does not wish to pull, but just public comment. All righty. Do I have a motion to approve? Motion to approve 1 through 4. Second? Second. Anybody? All right. Ms. Beggarow, please call the roll. Commissioner Anderson? Yes. Commissioner Andreu? Yes. Commissioner Fajan? Yes. Commissioner Horland? Yes. Commissioner Reinstein? Yes. Commissioner Sortel? Yes. Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Beggarow. Public request of the commissioners regarding the CRA. Mr. Conklin, sir? Dennis Conklin, 4581 Northwest Sixth Court. Heavenly hosts protect you and your families, everyone. Basically, my request was, it's an oldie but goodie. When they go to demolish the Plantation General Hospital, I would request that the commissioners here, your name tags aren't here, again, as usual, but they do have commissioner name tags, all six of them, to please limit the redevelopment of the area to three stories, which would basically match the village green condominiums and what I used to call the Kingston Trio, the two-story apartment buildings on the corner there, which one of them used to be Kingston, and because I'm a guy of the 50s, Kingston Trio with a band. And let's see. Also, I'd like to draw your attention that coming up, it's been announced that Thursday, May 7, 2026, is the grand opening of the HCA Florida Plantation Emergency Center. I mean, I've watched this stuff from the groundbreaking, and it's looking really good. And I yield back my time. Thank you very much, Mr. Conklin. Anybody else in the chamber wish to comment on the CRA? All right. Public comment for the CRA is closed. At this time, I will adjourn the CRA meeting and reopen the City Council meeting at 639. All righty. Now we are moving into public requests of the Council regarding municipal affairs. To those who wish to speak, we request that you complete a speaker form. It looks like this. If you have not done so already, please do so. When you are called, please approach the podium and make sure the green light is on the microphone. You will have three minutes to make your request to Council. Please state your name and address, and please address your remarks to the Council President, not the Mayor or individual members of the Council. Please keep your remarks to the allotted three minutes. Please use your time efficiently. If extra time will be needed to conclude your remarks, please ask for it as your time is expiring and not prior to beginning your remarks. First up is Mr. Norman Toltzsus, and then on deck is Mr. Conklin. Good evening, sir, and welcome. Good evening. Well, since I didn't know the rules, I don't know if I can stick to the three minutes, but I'm going to cut it real short. Okay. Just please introduce yourself and your name is your name. My name is Norman Toltzsus. I've been a resident of Plantation for over 40 years. I've seen a lot of good and some not so good. I'm here because something's happened in my neighborhood recently that I didn't know about it, and I don't know if anyone else knew about it. But suddenly the traffic cameras issuing tickets or, at this point, warnings to people have popped up not only on Peters Road, which I have no problem with because there's blinking lights and tells you the school zone's open, but on Southwest 54th Avenue, which is the main entrance and exit from three neighborhoods that have been around for a very long time, all of a sudden there's a sign saying it's from 7-minute morning until 3.30 in the afternoon. The signs dictating the speed limit is somewhat after that sign, and myself, as many other people, they didn't see it, frankly. And it's very complicated and convoluted what the actual speed zone should be in between the areas between, or I should say, at the time when the schools are opening and closing, which used to be a couple hours in the morning, a couple hours in the afternoon, and now the signs clearly say, one sign I saw is 6.55 a.m. to 3.30 p.m., another one says 7 a.m. to 3.30 p.m., and the speed limit signs are not as clear on Southwest 54th as they are on Peters Road. In addition, I hope you people have taken into account what's going to happen on Peters Road if people don't really understand or get a chance to actually see those signs as they're driving on Peters. That's going to be a, I won't even say it, a big mess on Peters Road. It's a 40-mile-an-hour, in some places a little bit higher speed zone, and if you're asking people to read these signs while they're driving, consider the fact that they don't want us to even text while driving. Now you're expecting us to look at signs that are about two foot square with smaller letters and understand what's happening before you get to the zone. I wanted to be on record, and I hope that there's somebody taking this down and saying this, because, as I said, I've been there for over 40 years, and this was, I don't know if there was any public domain or any notice of this going on until I got a notice myself from their third party, I assume, putting up these cameras, funding it. And by the way, when these citations are listed, who's going to get the money? Where's it going to go? Is it coming back to the city? Is it coming back to the school district, maybe? I don't know. And I would present that as a question. I don't expect anybody to answer it, because, frankly, I don't trust politicians at all. I'm here complaining, and I want to be on record to do so. And I'm guessing my three minutes is about up. So thank you for listening. Mr. Tolst, typically we let you have your three minutes. I'm not going to interject. There was public discussion on this. What I'd like for you to do is, if you'd like to talk to our chief of police on your way out, he's in the back of the room, he could explain to you better the times. All we're really asking is for people to obey the speed limit. And that's my point. It's not listed. Right. Okay. So the chief can discuss that with you, and you asked where the money is going. It's all of the above. The school district gets a portion of that for school safety, and the city gets that also, and we put that back into road safety. May I address that? Sure. I did call the city of Plantation. That was the first place I called. And they gave me no help whatsoever and directed me to a telephone number someplace else. I called, a sergeant answered the phone, and in four days, has not returned my call. Well, I apologize for that, but the chief of police, Chief Schlegel's waiting in the back for you. Thank you so much for coming in tonight. Mr. Conklin? If I may approach. Yes, Mr. Conklin. Thank you, sir. Dennis Conklin, 4581 Northwest Sixth Court. I'm going to start sort of backwards at request number seven. Request that the city of Plantation Administration and the city council begin making preparations for a city to fully exercise city's rights under the July 1, 2026 state of Florida making gold and silver coin a tender in payment of debts and to pay particular attention to the sandbox period. Number seven. Request. Plantation did divest 120, excuse me, $112.7 million in U.S. Treasuries, whose proceeds completely could fund the $74 million unfunded, chronically endangered general employees pension fund, and to begin a defined contribution plan. Number five. Request that the mayor and administration of city council members read and sign the Great Barrington Declaration, which is found at www.gbdeclaration.org. I signed it way back in 2021, the beginning of the year. Number four. Request that the mayor and administration and city council members support governor's proposals, which will include parental protections and local protection controls with a nine-point citizen bill and for artificial intelligence. Let's see. Four. Three. Request three. City Plantation to Liaison Plantation High School, South Plantation High School in American Heritage with TPUSA, the chapter at Nova Southeast University. Let's see. I'm at number one. Many people are increasing their prayers because it seems like with the release of prisoners in Cuba, that Cuba may soon be free. And I request that everyone pray for a conversion and salvation of the mayor of New York. Now, I would like to go to the next one. 922 days ago, October 7th, on a Jewish holiday, Hamas attacked Israel and executed 1,163 Israelis. Two days ago, two days ago from today, the 2025 annual study of deadly violence against Jews around the world outside of Israel reported 20 murders, the highest in over three decades. Holy Land Foundation was founded in 1983. I have on many occasions given this to the city. I've emailed it each to you so you'll have your own copy, but that's for our copy may extend 30 seconds. Five seconds. Very good. 715 days ago, there was a coordinated intifada started in America. Let's look at the last 15 months. Since New Year's Day, 2025, there's been at least eight jihadi attacks in America. I've listed them there for you. Mr. Conklin, I'm going to cut you off there. We've got the documentation. Very good. Thank you very much. Thank you, sir. I'd like to call your attention to the addendums in the back because we dodged the bullet of care about 20 years ago. Coral Springs has not been so lucky. They've had two presentations by care, which, as you know, are anti-Semitic and blah, blah, blah. And Sunrise now has an Islamic center, which these are not houses of worship. Mr. Conklin, time's up. Thank you. I'll leave my time. Thank you. We'll see you back up for consent agenda. Thank you very much. Mr. Korman, and then on deck, Mr. Wynn. Good evening, sir. Good evening. Rob Korman, 11095 White Hawk Street. I saw someone online commenting about how they enjoyed playing the roles of devil's advocate. I thought it might be useful to examine that moniker since it's often misunderstood. The term traces its roots to the 16th century when Pope Sixtus V created a position known as the promoter of the faith. The person in this position was responsible for scrutinizing and challenging the process of canonization of saints. The ultimate role this person played was to ensure that the church, quote, recognized only those whose lives and deeds were truly worthy of and exceptional examples of a life lived in fidelity to God's grace, end quote. The goal was to safeguard against hasty or unwarranted canonization by appointing someone whose job it was to do research and to gather arguments against canonization. The hope was that the process of granting sainthood would be beyond reproach. To be clear, though, the role of devil's advocate was not to oppose canonization. The role was, quote, ensure that the case was thoroughly examined from every possible angle, end quote. Pope John Paul II eliminated the role of promoter of faith in 1983. The devil's advocate had become a hindrance to the process and resulted in a backlog that slowed down canonization. Today, people consider it to be a badge of honor to play the role of devil's advocate in any discussion. I'm not sure why, frankly. The promoter of the faith is not supposed to employ the role to a specific end. The goal is not to undermine a position just for the sake of undermining. The goal should be, and traditionally was, about examining the issue from all sides. The role requires the asking of questions, which forces an honest assessment by those who are tasked with making the choices. In other words, the devil's advocate should be loyal to the principles, to the issues, and to the rules. They should not be loyal to a position. The post on which I saw this person enjoying the devil's advocate role relates to plantation. We have an agreement for bus benches. It is my understanding that the city gets some benches at a discounted rate for our use if they have not all been rented out. I'm not sure what the rules are for city use, but I can make observations at about at least one of them. The observations are that the mayor's office wants to promote communication. I see no issue with this plan. I have repeatedly said in this chamber that the office is separate from the individual. As such, if there is a communication from the office, it should be from the office, not the one occupying it at the time. This should be especially important during election cycles. To include a photo and a name on a bus bench, a bench presumably given at a discount to the city, appears to most viewers as a campaign piece. Candidates are allowed to rent bus benches. There are requirements as far as disclaimers and content, but they are free to rent as many as they would like. To have a candidate, albeit the sitting mayor, present as the face of the city on a city bench during a campaign season is not fair nor is it genuine. The residents of plantation deserve to have officials and candidates for those positions who will always take the high ground and play fair, especially with common goods like a discounted bus bench. And as a common good, that resource should not be abused by anyone, yet alone our mayor. I'll need like 15 seconds. I point these issues out to you, out because you, the council and administration, are the ones responsible for making financial and moral decisions for our city. I am just one individual. You could claim that I am trying to play the devil's advocate here, but I am not. My goal with raising this issue is to ask the questions in the hope that you consider all sides when determining if this is truly the best and most efficient use of city resources. Consider me for the purposes of this issue the promoter of the faith, faith that my elected officials will not just let things slide and faith that you will choose to act accordingly to safeguard our public common goods. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Korman. Mr. Nguyen and Mrs. McCormick, you filed a form for item 22. We don't take comment on that. So would you like to come up for public comment on that item after Mr. Nguyen? I just want to give you a heads up. Okay. You're on deck. Good evening. Good evening, Mr. Nguyen. I did much the same. Jo Nguyen, 944 Northwest 92nd Terrace. Good evening, council, mayor, attorney. Did want to just, first off, congratulations and thank you to the students and the teachers at Central Park. My alumni school is still doing really cool stuff, and it's super exciting to see that, as well as the support of our city having a victim advocate that is not actually that common. I'm still kind of in that space. I've founded a non-profit in that realm, and there are not enough resources out there in most places, and there never will be enough resources because essentially the problem comes down to we as a society tolerate other people or potentially even ourselves making those actions. It's just a joke or, oh, it's just their issue, things like that. But anyway, I don't want to get bogged down in that. Essentially, we all have a role to play in calling out things that we go, eh, or ooh, because it potentially could save lives, and unfortunately now we as a community here in Broward see the results of that, and it's pretty devastating. But anyway, I didn't actually come up here on those things. Those were just the topics that I saw mentioned here. I wanted to just come brief thoughts on the Swale pilot program, which obviously as somebody who loves the existence of sidewalks and the use of them is a huge fan of them. They can reduce our urban heating. They can provide protection for walkers and cyclists. They can make it more comfortable and cooler. They can even slow cars down because the sense of confinement and uncertainty that they bring makes people drive a little more cautiously in those spaces. You can look towards Eastern Plantation by the museum to get a real feel for that. They have just beautiful swales, beautiful trees, and nice confined spaces that cars very rarely move quickly at all. So to the point of the pilot program, just some quick recommendations, and I understand it's still a pilot and in planning. Recommending of live oaks for a swale, even a large one. It's kind of how we got into the situation of needing to remove healthy trees from unsuitable locations. Those are multiple lifespan, lifetime trees. They're generational. Big open field, perfect. Swale, not good. Also, Japanese blueberry, they can get yellow leaves due to iron chlorosis. Essentially, it's an iron deficiency and a high pH in the ground, which we have more of in the limestone substrate. And if residents see a tree that's got all yellow leaves on it, they're going to be pretty upset about that. And it just makes everything more expensive for all of us because now we have to pay to treat it regularly or take it out or anything like that. Right tree, right place. Pilot program, love to see it. Can't wait to see more trees on our along our roadways and sidewalks. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Nguyen. Mrs. McCormick? Thank you. Good evening. Good evening. Donna Marie McCormick, 1201 Northwest 114th Avenue, Plantation Acres, Florida, speaking on item number 22, which is the City Paid Partnership. I just wanted to say that I greatly appreciate the City's coordination with the Plantation Acres Improvement District for the partnership opportunity of implementing a seventh pump station to service South Plantation Acres. That area has been dealing with flooding issues for many years, and it still does. The City has been called by residents numerous times in the past to assist Paid during flood emergencies, and the City has always stepped up. I thank the current Paid Board for finally taking action after a long time of residents dealing with these issues, and I thank the City of Plantation's administration and City Council for the support provided to residents on this critical issue. This happened because residents highlighted the problems, united, spoke up, and requested solutions for the flooding problems. Community involvement made this possible, and I look forward to seeing the progress of this project, and thank you for allowing me to speak. Thank you, Mrs. McCormick. Those are all the forms I have for public comment. Is there anyone else in the chamber that did not fill out a form that would wish to speak? All right. That closes the public comment portion of the meeting. We will move on to the consent agenda, which consists of items 1 through 21. It may be approved with one motion. I would like to pull items 5 and 6. Does any member of the council wish to pull an item? 3 and 6. Can I have item number 4, President Horland? Sure. Anybody else? 4 and 6, but they're already pulled. Okay. You'll get to comment on them, though. That's it. All right. And from the public, I have item number 3, which has been pulled. Mr. Conklin. Mr. Corman would like to pull item 1. Mr. You're good? Okay. Thank you, sir. Mr. Wynn, also item 5. Mr. McCormick, item 5 and 6. So, council members, do I have a motion to approve the rest of the consent agenda? Motion to approve the remaining items. Thank you very much. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. That was the easy way out. Ms. Vegaro, please call the roll. I was going to make you repeat it. Council member Reinstein? Yes. Council member Anderson? Yes. Council member Andrew? Yes. Council member Fratchin? Yes. Council member Horland? Yes. Thank you. Thank you very much. Item number 3 is the resolution approving a third amendment to the agreement with Be Free, doing business as freebie. Council member Fratchin? Thank you. I like that we're expanding north to the city border to include, I guess it's five star, but I think they sold, so they're no longer five star. And then moving north of Broward to include some of the city facilities. There was talk about getting to the library. Is that included in that? Okay. I don't like going all the way west to Nob. I think that there should be a cutout for Covenant Living, but to cover all those single family homes, I don't know who we're trying to cover by going to make the western border of this to Nob Hill. Can't answer this question. Maybe I would like to take it. What's that? I said, maybe I would like to take freebie. Well, I mean, there's a lot of single family homes, and I think it's really more, I think the value is to get to more of the density locations, the people that are elderly, population, Covenant Living, absolutely no problem. Maybe go out to Central Park. You know, we have a lot of road problems. So what I read is that we're funding this through our surtax allocation, and I can't remember the number. I want to say it's like $200,000. Is that about right? And we're leaving about $1.2 million or $1 million behind that we're going to use later when we budget for the road repair or street repairs. I don't think expanding that and using that, I think we should leave that money behind for fixing the roads. But I don't think we should be going all the way up to Knob Hill. I'll let you. I had something to add, but I'll let you do it. I mean, if we want to, everybody have their comments. We can address it all at the end. Whatever's most convenient for you all. So my understanding, especially in speaking, and I'm being facetious that I might like to use it because it goes to Knob Hill. But also, also in conversation with the Midtown Board, it's also about driving business to Midtown. So capturing a larger portion. I think that what we had all discussed and had asked Ms. Morris to do was to make sure that our senior living populations would be included. That would also include Lauderdale West. So they're also captured in that, but it's also about driving business to our business community. But Ms. Morris can best answer about the surtax. That money, if you recall, was supposed to go for our trolley. Most cities are now utilizing that for the microtransit in their cities. So I'll let you take it away. Yes and no. I'm going to tell you more about surtax than you want to know. Apologies. Surtax was restructured. We recently went through the third interlocal agreement amending the surtax agreement. For a number of years there, it funded capital projects. It funded rehab and maintenance projects only in year one. If you remember the city had a paving project that was funded there. But the way surtax was structured was funding for community shuttles comes off the top and then the balance of it is split between the cities. The allocation is now based on centerline roadway mileage. So instead of competing for new projects, we now have an allocation that is permitted to us. That allocation can be used for on-demand transit or microtransit or it can be reused for rehabilitation and maintenance or a combination thereof. There's also a provision in the new plan whereby if we're not going to spend money in a given year, maybe we want to assemble more dollars so that we can do a larger project, we can roll those dollars into a next year. So what we did this year was we requested two hundred thousand dollars for microtransit and we rolled the additional dollars so that they will be available for a larger paving project that is anticipated for next year. Going back to microtransit from the very beginning, if you recall, when we went out for bid for microtransit services, we broke the city into zones, into sections and potential expansion zones. At some point, frankly, if it's the council's will, you could have freebie or microtransit running throughout the city. We initiated the Midtown District first as a pilot because there was funding for that district. That pilot has gone very well. The expansion zone that was proposed, if you will recall, we talked about its strategic planning. It's always been the same sort of overlay, L-shaped overlay zone that overfits Midtown. And the comments that we received at strategic planning were we should add in the library, in the community center. So we carved out a section that we called historic plantation. It's on the map that was provided in your backup. And we added that area to it. We pay based on the number of vehicles we have in service, the number of operating hours. We can do pretty much whatever we want to do with microtransit. If we had shuttles, we would have to have public hearings every time we wanted to change a route. We can work with microtransit. The quote that we have is based upon the expansion zone in the map. We're looking at up to three vehicles. Again, if you want to expand further, we can look at that. If you want to change those boundaries, we can look at that. It may have some effect on costs. The other thing that I would share with you, and this gets a little difficult to explain, we can do pretty much whatever we want to do with microtransit. Now, I will have to go back to surtax because they've approved funding of an expansion zone. I will have to tell them we're looking at changing that if that is the will of the council. I don't think it'll be a problem, but I do need to go through that process. That said, we can stretch the service area further, or we can contract it. We can look at changing the number of vehicles, but the key factor that we affect with all these changes is wait times. Thus far, we've been successful in keeping our wait times around 10 minutes. The longer those wait times become, the more you are probably going to start to incur complaints as well as to diminish your routine ridership. I stated what I feel. I think it's too far west. I think it should include covenant living. Second, am I correct when I read that the metrics are? There's been 19,000 rides. Is that accurate? That was the number from when we launched through the end of March. To the end of March with 15 users, 15,000 passengers. I took that as 15,000 people with the app that hailed the car. That doesn't seem like a very great ratio. Is that, that's not even a 2.0 ratio for? The bulk of our rides at this point in time are single riders. Again, our rides must start in the midtown. That's not what I'm asking. I'm saying there's 15,000 people that generated 19,000 rides. That sounds to me that most people are using it once and not using it again. There does seem to be a core of repeat ridership. Okay. Based on hours, based on ridership, based on what we see in terms of points of origin and points of exit. I just would kind of expect it that there would be a higher ratio, you know, even 30,000 rides for 15,000 users. That means to me, if I'm interpreting it correctly, that there would be repeat riders. But 19,000 rides for 15,000 passengers, that's, that's less than one or less than one and a half percent. Um, I don't know. Again, that's just total numbers. I think, I think what my point is, is that I think we need to be monitoring the usage of this. And if people are only using it once and we're expanding it by spending another 200,000 dollars, we got to be very careful with what we're doing. I'm not sure that the data in your comments correlate. I can pull the reports to document that for you. I thought that's what I read. Those are just total numbers. They don't relate to repeat ridership. I might, and I might be wrong with my analysis. That was just my, my reading. So, okay. I just want, that's all I have to say about it. So, thank you. Council member Andrea. Thank you. Um, if you remember, Ms. Morris, I was advocating to go further east and wanted us to speak with the CRA and Gateway, um, to see if they could also maybe contribute financially. But I feel like we are, especially if we are looking at eventually making that a medical hub, like we've discussed several times, um, and at strategic planning as well. So, I would like to see us go to 441. So, um, I guess if we are going to consider, uh, moving boundaries and maybe stopping at Pine Island and taking it further east, um, I don't have a problem going to Knob Hill, uh, but I definitely would like to see us go, uh, further east, especially again, if, if we're targeting our seniors, we're looking at, um, providing access to medical facilities. As we are, we just stated earlier, we're opening the new, um, HCA ER there. It would be nice to be able to provide that access out east, the public. I mean, again, we can go back, we can propose new boundaries and bring them back to you. Um, I would want to go back to freebie to take a look at what they think the potential ridership is in the area to ensure that we are bringing in the appropriate number of vehicles. I would really hate to have your ride times balloon because I think you would lose your core. Could I ask one more question about that? What would it take to add an additional vehicle or two so you don't have those ride times? We are potentially with this amendment looking at adding three vehicles, uh, or up to three vehicles is the way it's written. If we went back and we changed those boundaries and it sounds like from what I'm hearing, maybe you want to look at Pine Island as a western boundary and extending over to 441. I'm going to assume we would still want to go to the northern borderline of the city. Does that sound reasonable? Um, again, I would want to go back and provide that boundary to freebie and talk with them about what they think the anticipated costs are and bring you back another, maybe a revised potential third amendment. If we don't adopt it, it's not a third amendment, but bring you back a revised picture of what that looks like money-wise. Thank you. Before I get to Councilmember Anderson, and I know we did talk about that in strategic planning, but I think that the priority was to make sure that we reached those senior communities first, um, the designated senior communities, and we did talk about the expansion, expansion, uh, east. Um, my only caveat to that would be, if we were to go to Pine Island, that I would want to see that carve out for covenant because then we just leave them flailing in the wind there. So whatever that looks like. Okay. Maybe after I get to Councilmember Anderson, I'll let you back in. All right. Councilmember Anderson, and then you're up. Councilmember Fadgen. Hi. I wasn't planning on speaking on this one, but thank you for bringing that up because I'm leaning that way. Carol, do you recall what we've spent so far for these 15,000 rides with 19,000 passengers? It averages about $30,000 a month. Right. But we're at, uh, mid-April, and we still have till July. So we're really at 10 months. We started, we launched in July. So July, August, September, October, November. Yeah. Nine months. So how much do we spend on for nine months? 30,000 times nine, about $270,000. Yes, sir. That's all midtown funds. 270,000 divided by 15,000 rides is 18, 19, 15,000 rides with 19,000 passengers. Yes. So we're at eight. No, it says it right there. 15,000 rides serving 19,000 passengers. Yeah. Uh, that's $18 a ride. I would think an Uber a couple miles in plantations less than $18. I mean, it's only $30 to the airport. So again, we are providing a service. Right. The idea was to drive business to midtown. No, I know. I know. The truth of the matter is as we open up our service areas. Yeah. We'll potentially start to drive more business in that direction. Hopefully. That's the idea. Just, I just worry. So if we approve this, how long are we, can we just think that this brings up, I, we need some more analysis because the, if we expand further and the wait times go longer, we could be counteracting what we're trying to do. It would, people would slow start to not use it because I don't want to wait 30 minutes. I'll just get in the car and drive. Right. So I, I worry that we have good intentions and can cause problems by the, you know, road to hell is paved with good intentions. Yep. Um, I, I hear what you're saying and I frankly echo your comments. Um, I think the key is if we want to look at changing the proposed expansion areas, we are comfortable that we feel like we can handle what we're proposing with up to three vehicles. That said, if we're going to look at making some changes to it, I would want to go back with them and have some further conversation. Now that we're starting to have a feel for what operations look like in plantation. And, and coincidentally, one of the things I will tell you that, you know, while we talk about 19,000 riders and 15,000 rides, our launch numbers here in the city were stronger than the city of sunrise's launch numbers. So we actually are getting good ridership. I do. I've had a concern from the beginning that keeping everything within midtown might be limiting that, you know, expanding was going to be important. I guess we'll find out if I'm right or wrong. Well, I just to echo some comments. Yes. I think we absolutely no matter what have to include covenant village, even if it's just a carve out. Um, I don't know how many people will go all the way over to the library and community center. So I, I just don't know how the expansion, I, I'm not the expert on it, but I worry that we could kind of deflate the value of this by inflating the service area. Okay. Councilmember Reinstein. Oh, I'm sorry. Councilmember, see, you didn't, you didn't. It was just, I wasn't planning a pool lamp because he, he commented it. It made me think. Councilmember Fadgen then, uh, you got to play by the rules. Just very quick. I'm sorry. And then Reinstein. Go ahead. Um, so one to Councilmember Anderson, the 19,000, the 15,000. Yeah, I was looking at it wrong. Too many numbers. Um, that's odd for an accountant to say. I'm sorry. You don't know how many numbers I've looked at in the last seven days. Um, my point to that is, is it's not, it's not a damnation or damning of that. It's, it's, it's just more, uh, you know, a point of monitoring. Okay. It doesn't sound like a great number. Maybe we just need more statistics. Now, um, Councilmember Andrea brought up expanding east and I, I, I missed that note. I was going to mention, I would like to get the palms included, but I don't know how we would snake that over there. So that's really, it seems to me include covenant living. If we can get out east to get, include the palms, I think that's what our efforts should be with any kind of expansion with this, this next, uh, addendum. That's all I had. Thank you. You're welcome. Councilmember Reinstein. Yeah. I just want to add for consensus purposes that, um, that I also agree with, uh, the need to make sure that covenant village is included. And, um, I think that makes perfect sense in terms of moving to the east towards 441 that we're talking about, um, not only the freestanding ER, but the entire hospital complex, um, that, uh, you know, it will make it much easier for our residents, um, to get there. And we, we may see that the ridership will, will increase when we offer more opportunities, uh, with, with, uh, micro transit. So thank you. Thank you. So I don't disagree with any of the comments made. Um, but to your point, I'm concerned about expanding too much and increasing wait time. So what would you like to do with this item tonight? I think the best thing for us to do is to take your comments, go back, make some changes to the proposed expansion area, have some dialogue with freebie as to what we think it will take to appropriately service those areas. I would hope to bring this back to you on the 29th. Fingers crossed. But if all else fails, we can come back to you at the following meeting. Okay. Thank you, Ms. Morris. Mr. Osrell, do you want me to take any official action on it? Uh, I would suggest you, um, make a motion to table. Yeah. Okay. Somebody? Motion to table. Do I have a second? Second. Okay. Nope. Nope. Please call the roll list. Thank you. Um, next item that was pulled was item number four, the automatic license plate reader cameras for Midtown district. This was simply a correction memo that was pulled by council member Andreu and council member Anderson. Thank you, president Horland. Um, actually, I don't know if this is Mr. Spencer or not. I know that we all probably received the email from Mr. Winokur. Um, and I just wanted to ensure that we were addressing some of the privacy issues that he had outlined in his email. I want to publicly state that I am in favor of the license plate readers and, um, appreciate the expansion. We were asking for the expansion. So, um, but again, I don't want to make light of the concerns of the public regarding privacy. I think, uh, ma'am to the privacy, I think was mainly question number three that he had. And, uh, our response was that we had already opted out of that customer experience, like sharing that data with Axon. So was he communicated with directly? Yes. Okay. Thank you. And I know that he has, he has a follow-up question, which we will address as well. And I think you copied us. You sent us an email detailing that as well, didn't you chief? Yes, ma'am. Thank you very much. Are you, I'm finished. I just want the public to be aware that there are not any privacy issues with the license plate readers that we have been installing and will continue to install. Thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Andrea. Councilmember Reinstein and then Councilmember Anderson. Just to follow up on that one point, just to make sure that, um, in terms of the, uh, the individual, Mr. Wintercore, he did send a follow-up, um, with a number of additional questions. I'm not sure if all my colleagues got it, but I just saw it, uh, this evening. Uh, and, um, I've already forwarded that to the chief in order to respond to those additional questions. Um, some of them were regarding data sharing and standard operating procedure and some very specific questions that were a little bit beyond just the privacy questions that were already responded to. So I'm sure that once, um, the chief, uh, responds to those additional questions, he'll send them off to the entire council. Thank you, of course. Thank you. Councilmember Anderson. So just keeping, oops, keeping with all this. I know, I, I know several of us. I'm sure I asked it too, and I'm not sure if it was the speed cameras or license plate readers, but so since that was a long time ago and this is just up and, and all, and the residents' comments, I just want to reiterate some things. Do we, I'm not sure how I asked it and it probably would have been to Chief Harrison. You may or may not have been here actually. It was with Harrison, but you would, you would have been, you would have known the stuff. Um, hopefully. We, we're reading these things and we store it for a certain amount of time and you all can go into it if you need, if there's a hit, if you're searching for a license. And I think our partners that we have sharing through BSO and Fort Lauderdale and our surrounding municipalities can also tap into it. But can they tap into it at will or is there a process for them to request through and has to be approved? So the, for the license plate readers, right? And I get confused sometimes too. We got a lot of things going on at the same time. That's what I'm saying. So the license plate readers, uh, there's different vendors out there, right? Uh, the, the vendor that we have for the gateway is, uh, Recorp and the vendor that, uh, we're going with for the remainder of the city is Exxon. There's even more than that. Uh, each one of them, uh, is filled with hot lists. So stolen vehicles, um, you know, missing persons, people with warrants. And then there's also, uh, data, like as a car passes and it reads it, Florida statute allows, I think upwards of three years for that data to, uh, remain. And I know that that was one of Mr. Winnicor's questions, um, asking, uh, about how long that data is retained. Uh, our answer was that we comply with Florida statute and FDLE guidelines, um, which matches, you know, that three years, um, for another agency, right? They can go into their systems, whatever they have at any point in time, uh, if they're searching for a vehicle. Yes. So I just, it's a whole long thing. I don't want to go deep into it, but I, I am, I am not a conspiracy theorist, but I'm worried how much surveillance our gov, our own government is doing on our own citizens. And I know through ice and so forth with the, the spoofing cell towers and so forth, I just worry. And then, and not to mention all our technology. So not just government, it's Google and Facebook and everything going, following our location services. We, we've just got a lot out there and we need to be hawks up here, um, and any contract we're signing that we are appropriately using our data and guarding the data and only sharing when it's crucially important to share. So it's a balance because we want to be, we want to use it to protect ourselves and catch the bad guy, which we've been doing. Law enforcement is doing a phenomenal job. That's why our crime is going down. But we also don't want to lose some of our liberties. So that's just kind of more statements. Um, so as we have these LPRs, so the, the, I think you said Florida statute allows it to be stored for three years. And then I assume it's purged if it was not needed for any invest, any, uh, case. So it just would fade, fade away as the time goes on, just like records get disposed of. Correct. These would get deleted. Um, but so that's stagnantly there. And if something came up in the future, they could look backwards for a three year look back of those license plates. That's the way the data would be used. Correct. Right. Again, that's what FDA guidelines allow for the maximum. Um, yes, I guess also to that point. So we, along with every database that we have, uh, for the police department, uh, whether it's the state of Florida or whatever, we get audited by the state on everything. So, um, there's not a keystroke that's done. So to your question about, um, you know, guaranteeing, uh, you know, that it's being used properly, right. We're audited on every database that we have. Uh, in addition, uh, we have, as everyone well knows, um, and we're proud of dual accreditations, uh, both through the state of Florida and, uh, nationally. So a lot of those require than proof, uh, that we are complying with what our own policies say and what, um, you know, state law says as well. So let me go a tiny bit further and then I'll stop because this, it gets deeper. I don't know. But for example, the red light, not the red light, the speed cameras, the new speed cameras in our school zones, that's a third party administering it. Correct. So I assume they've got similar safeguards and similar rules and similar timelines, but it's a third party housing information, not plantation police. Correct. Well, to be fair, license plate readers are also a third party. It's a third party reading it, but does the data then come into our database? We are not, the police department is not the holder. So it's, you just access it. Correct. Accessing them, them, they are the holders. Correct. But every time that we access it, that was your point about, uh, that it's used to safeguard and used properly. Every time that we access it, right, that keystroke's logged, uh, the state comes in and audits are usage on every one of those databases. And then I assume they're under just as much scrutiny for safeguarding and keystrokes and logins and so forth. Yes, sir. Okay. Well, let's just, as we take on more and more things, I just want to keep that front and center that we, it's, it's a constant balance, you know, that of protecting our citizens, but also protecting our liberties. Yes, sir. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Einstein. Yeah, just to follow up on that, since, um, Councilmember Anderson raised it. And, and Chief, um, you mentioned that the Florida Department of Law Enforcement has an up to three year, um, statute that requires that, um, allows up to three years to maintain that data. Um, however, there are some jurisdictions that are, um, are codifying that that data will only be maintained for a lesser period of time. Correct. Yes. Um, and so is that something that, um, that we're considering, um, or are, are you seeking? Or if we were asking you right now, do you believe that the three years is, uh, is in the best interest of our residents? So I would say that, uh, I have resisted giving an actual number. Um, we are, we, we are less than three years. Um, but the only reason that I, I, I wanted to resist saying that number is, um, I, I don't really want to. Do you believe for your law enforcement purposes, it's best to maintain? I don't really want to publicly put it out and say, this is how long, right? We have access to this. So we're more than 30 days, but less than three years. Correct. Okay. Thank you. Anything else? Any member of the public wish to comment on that item? No. Thank you, Chief. Motion to approve item number four. Do we have a second? Second. Ms. Beggro, please call the roll. Council member Reinstein? Yes. Council member Anderson? Yes. Council member Andreu? Yes. Council member Fadgen? Yes. Council member Horland? Yes. And I'd just like to add, since council member Andreu opened with remarks about the murder of, uh, Coral Springs Vice Mayor Nancy Mater, um, her alleged murderer was caught in the city of Plantation by our LPRs on 441. So they do work. All right. Moving on to number five. I pulled this item agreement number 002-26 North Acres Park and Marcano Estates Park Playgrounds. Mr. Spencer? It's not so much the procurement of it, sir. It might be, um, and a question for parks. So when I was looking at this, thrilled to see the playgrounds are coming in and the shade structures. And the shade structures on Marcano Estates, very attractive. But it seems to me that there's an inequity when you look at those pictures and you look at the cost. The playground units and the safety surfacing are very similar between the two. But the North Acres Park shade structure is infinitely larger, covering more, um, of the active space of the children playing, um, and about double in price. So I was just wondering, I don't know if it's a question for you, but probably for parks, why we chose that shade structure in Marcano? To me, it looks like an inequity. Um, so I'd like some clarification of why we chose to go in that direction. Uh, Charles Spencer, procurement director. I will not go into detail because that is a design thing. But what I will say is that when the parks and direct department, um, created a scope of services and a scope of work, they took into consideration the area and the contractors that provided the designs was based on that criteria of space when it came to the shade structures. Now, if you're asking why the area of shade structures were required by the parks department, I'll have to ask them to come up and say, yes. Thank you very much. Ms. O'Toole. Ms. O'Toole, Ms. O'Keefe, whatever you'd like to be. Whatever you want to call me, let's do it. Um, so in speaking with Michael Ambrosio, who I believe helped write the scope for this project, um, he reminded me that, um, there are about two or three large trees around the perimeter of that, uh, playground. And the idea is that throughout certain times of day, the trees that are going to remain in place will provide shade, natural shade for the playground. That makes me happier. Thank you. Because when you look at it on paper and you look at the two photos, I hear you. Yep. That's different. Yes. The, the trees don't quite. Okay. Didn't make the drawing there. Kind of drawing. All right. Thank you. I'm satisfied with that answer. All right. Thank you, Ms. O'Toole. You're welcome. Did anybody else have a question for Ms. O'Toole on that item? Um, I think, uh, item number five, Mr. Wynn and Mrs. McCormick. You both signed up on that item. Mr. Wynn and then Mrs. McCormick on deck. So don't go away, Ms. O'Toole. Good evening again. Joe Wynn, 944, Northwest 92nd Terrace. Um, the Fig Tree Marcano Park. No problem. Great. Do it. Fantastic. That rejuvenating that area. Fabulous. Um, North Acres Park playground, nearly $400,000 for, for a rarely used park in one of the highest net worth or property value areas. Um, that's effectively only car access. I think it has 45 parking spaces and no entrance that's not for cars. Um, that's the same distance to Volunteer Park, which is a park vastly superior, um, children and activity areas. It's fabulous. Um, and everybody's already primed to go there by car anyway. What's the difference at that point? Um, I, I rode over there because I was curious what it was done. Um, beautiful path that's been put in there. Um, really weak on the shade trees. Uh, there was one person walking around. He then walked back, got in his car and drove off. Somebody else drove in, used it as a public parking space and went off somewhere. Uh, cyclist went by, excuse me, on the road, uh, on the street, uh, did not turn in to use it. Um, and, uh, and I was the only non-car user there for a while. Um, meanwhile, we, we don't have unlimited money here. Uh, if we did, I'd say, cool, let's do all of this everywhere all the time. Excuse me. But we have areas that, that really could use help. Um, Park East, that whole area, they're desperate for investment. Multicultural park has great roots, great bones. Jim Ward has great bones, but they need help. I'm not the expert in that area. I would honestly, and you know, we don't agree on a lot of things, but I would honestly say to defer to Mr. Conklin for what that area could use and what the resources they would best benefit from. And, you know, in their experience and from the parks. Uh, but no, no, nobody goes there. It does. The people who have kids don't live there. And if they do, they already have an amazing park system in Volunteer Park that we are putting a lot of money into to keep improving and rejuvenating it. Again, with limited funds, I strongly recommend that we divert some of that towards areas that really need the help and aren't already multimillion dollar homes around it. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Wynn. And I would argue that we put in a new playground, um, at Jim Ward not too long ago. Um, so those areas, it's not that those areas have not been addressed. Um, I appreciate your concerns. We made a commitment to that park. I use that park, take my dogs there. People, families, there's nothing to draw them now. And we promised that there would be a playground there. We committed to that, um, in our paths of parks to get families in there, such as Jacaranda Lakes Park, which has been around a long time. It's a small neighborhood park, not a lot of parking, but there's a playground there as well. So thank you for your comments. Mrs. McCormick. Donna Marie McCormick, 1201 Northwest 114th Avenue, Plantation, Florida. I just wanted to take this opportunity to thank the city for our beautiful North Acres Park and especially thank our city engineer, Samir Sirlan for helping us with the drainage issue for North Plantation Acres and also Trish O'Toole for our parks and rec director for the beautiful playground that we have before city council this evening for approval. I know the delay between the opening of the park and the installation of the playground has been a concern for many residents because I walk that park five times a week and I talk to residents and I hear from the families. I wish there was a playground. I wish there was shade. I wish I could enjoy it much more than I'm able to because there's no shade and there's nothing for my children to do. I also appreciate the fact that the city has the in honor of program because it allowed me to plant a tree in my husband's memory, purchased two bronze plaques for the existing benches and also have a pride bench installed overlooking the new playground. So thank you very much for not trying to use the original money that was earmarked for that park to spread it into and make a smaller playground but to hold off to deliver the park and ask the residents to be patient until we could use this year's funds and I thank you very much for your consideration. Thank you Mrs. McCormick. Any other public comment on that item? Anything from council? Do I have a motion? Motion to approve. Thank you. Do we have a second? Second. Thank you. Ms. Biggerow, please call the roll. Councilmember Reinstein. Yes. Councilmember Anderson. Yes. Councilmember Andreu. Yes. Councilmember Fajan. Yes. Councilmember Horland. Yes. Thank you very much. Item number seven, I also pulled professional services for a conceptual design project of Southwest. No, sorry. Item six, jumping around. Central Park and Pine Island, Park Turf Field Improvement, Civil Engineering. Again, Mr. Mr. Spencer, it's probably not going to be for you. I think probably Dib. Yeah. And we have a representative from Kimling Horn here. Thank you very much. Dib, we've had a private conversation about this park. I'll allow you to introduce yourself. Hi. Good evening. Dib Machuca, Capital Projects Administration. And like you mentioned with me, we have Kimling Horn, engineer. So in case we have some technical questions that you want to address, you can come up. Me too. Thank you very much. Thank you, Dib. And I've also had conversations with Ms. O'Toole about this over the years, having been a user for many years of those parks. Central Park particularly, I understand the maintenance, the overuse there, what I've been told over the years, primarily due to drainage issues there. Yeah, that's among some of the complaints that we've received. Among many of the issues there. Pine Island Park, I have been clear about my feelings since that project was approved. There were delays in the project. That was one of our bond projects that we were monitoring. And the engineering, and it was not done by Kimling Horn, but another company, was never done properly. And one of the things that we talked about on this day is going back to 2019, was the primary reason to remodel that park was to fix the overwhelming drainage issues. And if anyone in this chamber ever had a child play soccer at the old Pylon Park, you know how it flooded and it continues to flood. So that was quite a disappointment that the city spent as much money as they did in there. So what I'd like to, two part question, I got on my soapbox, but it's been a great disappointment. The way that Pine Island Park was engineered, and I want to hear from Kimling Horn, was that the fields were lower than the sidewalk. I'm not an engineer and I thought that was an issue. So I want to hear about rectifying that. My second question is, is the proposal for turf fields on five of these fields, which is quite expensive. So my question is, as Kimling Horn goes in there and starts to take a look at the underlying issues, no pun intended. If this council or the next council decides that they don't necessarily want to go with the expense of turf fields, would that engineering report also take into consideration if we wanted to go ahead back with natural turf there? So I want to just kind of get a feel for where we're heading there because this is a very expensive proposition. We know how those fields are used just for, not just PAL sports, but we rent them out for tournaments as well. So I just want to get a little bit of an idea of the bigger picture that we're looking at down the road. Okay. I'll bring up, come on up. This is Stefano Viola with Kimling Horn. Just to give a little preface on what you were talking about, the intent of this is to bring in engineering services to Kimling Horn to address five fields, two park locations, and a phased approach. The intent is to do the design and engineering with the assessments of all the fields at both park locations, and then come up with the design to address all the concerns that we, you're, you're just mentioning, and as well as the parks department, because we've been in communication with them as well. Um, I'll hand that off to him. And the only reason I brought up turf did is because that's what it said in there is replacing a turf field. So I want to see if we're going to have options. So Mr. Viola, welcome. Hello. Stefano Viola, 8201 Peters Road, Plantation, Florida. So a couple of things. One, I've already reviewed the Pine Island Park with Samira, so we understand some of the issues with the drainage. They will be accounted for when we do the drainage design for the three fields. But I will caveat that budgeting purposes, we're looking at that side of the field. It won't address drainage for the entire Pine Island Park because there is flooding on the north side and the way the systems currently operate, they are not interconnected. Some things that we've identified in our preliminary, there's an outfall that connects the south side of Pine Island Park across Pine Island Road and into the Oak Plantation system. That pipe between those connections, and I'm getting into the details, but it feels like that's what we're looking for, is like a pinch point. There's one section of that pipe between the structure on Pine Island Park and the first structure on Pine Island that is smaller than the rest of the system. So it's kind of holding the water back. So that is, as part of this we've talked to Div and Parks, will be proposed to be enlarged to at least match the system to not be a pinch point. Additionally, the grading on the east side of the south flows north to no infrastructure. So as part of this we're going to grade it back south and then back west to get to that inlet. All that is going to be part of our design, but things will caveat. There's another north outfall for the north park field that goes through the parking lot through Target and all the way that canal. That is not part of this. That's another budgeting item. It will be a future field improvement, but we are looking to adjust all the flooding that occurs on the south side of Pine Island Park with these improvements. And regardless if you make it grass or keep it grass, the field does need to be reared. I agree with your comment. The inlets and the park are almost the same, so when the inlet fills up it's already then in the field. You theoretically want the field higher so that there's some storage underground before it's started. So that is part of it. What we're looking at for cost savings, if you go to the turf option, that has what's called an underdrain system. That center field currently has a system underneath. Those fields instead of cutting, normally when we do this, we'll cut down. So the grades say the same here. We won't have to cut down as much, take off the top layer and build up so that the natural field will have an underdrain system and the field will just be raised kind of instead of excavating the hauling out. So that's the advantage. Right. That's part of what we're looking at when we look at these three fields, just to kind of raise them and minimize how much we have to excavate and take off. Okay. And thank you for mentioning the outfall. I did not mention that. I knew that was an issue. I wish the previous engineering firm had identified that. What about Central Park? Central Park. I mean, the drainage concerns aren't as intensive and anytime we do an underdrain system, we are accounting for drainage because you're essentially making these parks not pervious. The water won't percolate. So they'll have a proposed underdrain system and we will look at all that and permit it accordingly. Okay. Thank you, Mr. Viola. We've got a couple of questions from Council. Council Member Fadgen. Thank you, Council President. I appreciate your comments on these prevailing problems that we've had. What I'm kind of concerned about is that, you know, our tagline for now may be continuing as the grass is greener, but artificial, you know, it was initially presented to us that, you know, we need one artificial field. So when we have events or championship of games that the field's in perfect condition, now we got artificial field creep. So what I think we need to do, I really feel like we should tap the brakes on doing this. We should look into fixing these things. But I think the really overall thing is we're saying like it's the over usage of it. You know, we're renting the fields out. There's a lot of tournaments and stuff. You know, are we, is our mission with our parks to serve our residents and our kids? I grew up on Pine Island Field. I grew up in Central Park. Or do we want our parks to bring in these, you know, out-of-towners using our new restaurants and using the hotels? I think it's great when you go to Panera and you see all the softball teams and soccer teams in there from all over the areas and stuff. That's great. But I think our, our main purpose of our parks should be the, for our residents. So we need to probably reassess, do we want to continue hosting all of these large tournaments and stuff like that? We just don't have enough fields to do everything we want to do, in my opinion. So my comments are really just to, I think we really need to take a step back. We should try to fix these problems. Maybe not do these fields now and determine, is this where we want to go with renting these fields for these special tournaments and stuff like that? I just don't feel like our, we are, we have enough fields to accommodate because we can't keep them in a good condition. So that's all I really wanted to say. And I appreciate those comments. I think that'll be something that we'll address down the road. I know it's been a few years since you've played soccer out there. But I would venture to say that while we do have the tournaments and they are important for economic development, the primary overuse of those fields is our sports teams. You know, there are a lot of kids playing out there. So if you go out there in PAL, you know, and that's an ongoing issue out there. So I think that's the primary over stressor of the fields. And certainly in Central Park, and I know that you would say this as well because we've had conversations about it, it's been very difficult to maintain those fields because of the drainage issues. So unfortunately staff is, you know, it's just we've been pouring good money after bad there. So you're not opposed to going forward with fixing the drainage problems first. I definitely think we need to fix the drainage problem. But I think we, I don't like seeing the grass fields. I like to see if there's anything else we could try to figure out to solve that problem. And like you said, drainage is contributing to the problem and maintaining the fields. Right. And I think that'll probably be a budget discussion down the road. Mr. Nenemaker, did you want to opine on that? Yes, ma'am. I just wanted to offer two things. One, on the global issue, our priority is clearly the residents. And that's why you see the restructuring of the PAL agreements. The mayor's been very emphatic about that. The second part, if y'all want to either table this item or direct us to look more at the offsite improvements, we can or direct it towards Pine Island. But we, we clearly need to focus there. Yeah. Well, if there's more of a debate about the turf or non-turf. In my opinion, that's a debate that we can have down the road because, again, I wanted to get a larger idea of where we're heading with it financially. So if we're not locked, I wanted to make sure from Kimley Horn, we're not locked into either turf or artificial or real. I'm going to ask council member Andrea to jump in. And, oh, Anderson and then Andrea. I'm sorry. I should put my glasses on. So you covered most of the things I was going to cover. Thank you for having a better memory than me. I'm glad you went first. Trish, maybe you could answer this. And I don't, I know you're not prepare with numbers, but the difference between fertilizing and cutting grass and painting lines and all those maintenance costs and re-sodding and on and on and on. There's a lot of costs for grass, but there's a high upfront cost for the synthetic turf. But then you have, you have to fluff it and whatever, rake it and all the other things you do. But I would think those are a lot lower. You don't have fertilizer running off and polluting your canals and things. I've got some numbers for you. So you have a couple. So that's something to weigh out. Let me see what else. Go ahead and do that while I gather the orders. I can ask a few things of you while you're there. Sure. Natural grass field, approximately $40,000 a year to maintain. For one field? One field, yep. And just to give you an idea of revenue that was generated for a natural turf field was $10,000 a year. So we've actually lost $30,000 a year. Artificial turf costs about $10,000 to maintain a year. And we brought in $47,000 in revenue. So a profit of $37,000. So that's something that you may want to consider. Because they're in demand for tournaments and so forth. We've actually pulled back a lot in the last... But why does it get $47,000 in revenue? What do you mean by that? Well, we do rent them, but we have adult rentals that practice. We have adult leagues. So not just tournaments. But just any revenue we get from the use of it. Correct, yep. Yes. And I remember reports from a while ago. I was astounded. It was years ago. Our economic drivers, which you mentioned, from using our pools and our fields and things, was, even then, was in the $10,000, $15,000, $16 million. I don't remember. Do you have any? It was about $30 million, I believe, in economic impact. However, based on many of the complaints we've gotten, and I know all of you have gotten them over the years, we've actually pulled back on many of those, at least soccer tournaments that we've hosted. And just because of the damage to the field, then we do want to give priority to the residents and the PAL program. So while we do rent it out occasionally, we've pulled back a bit. Don't our own teams usually participate in those, though? I mean, don't we need competitors and we want to be a premier city? Yeah. I mean, I know there's a balance. The travel soccer hosts their Thanksgiving tournament every year. So that's a big economic driver. But again, many of these outside groups that have come in, we've cut back a bit. All right. So really, that's a big upfront cost, but the revenue, because of the choice of choosing that field, a synthetic turf over grass, can start to pay for itself over time. Yes. And also, what is the lifespan of an artificial turf? Well, I was going to bring up, typically, artificial turf has a more durability of a lifespan. The last one I built in Tamarok was 10 years, and it's still going. And some of the advantages about that is there's a rainstorm, heavy rain. Within a couple of hours, you can go and start playing, whereas, natural turf, you have to wait until it recovers. So they're, among other, correct. 10 to 20 years is what they're documenting now for the lifespan of the artificial turf. Right. And if we're making between 47 versus 10, you're making 37,000 a year per field for 10 to 20 years, you can argue that you're paying for it easily. All right. Well, that answers a lot of that. And the economic driver I wanted to mention. Oh, so this is the other part. I don't know who to ask this to. I cannot stand when someone doesn't hold up there under the bargain and we pay them top dollar and then get it. So the drainage, that was the primary reason why we upgrade. I mean, Pine Island needed a lot of upgrades, but the main front and center was massive flooding and drainage. We needed a lot of other things, but that was it. They didn't hold up there under the bargain. Do we ever go after them? I sure as heck would if it was, if it was me as a resident and it was, and a contractor did me wrong, I would sue them. I'm not talking trivially. I'm talking like catastrophic failure of the, the main job they were employed to do. You were wise to sit down, Mr. Riella. And I, and I opened that door. That was under a... And I know a lot of times cities don't do that. Right. And they just take it and I don't want to take it. That was under a past administration, but I do know that we tried to go after that. Did we did try? And why did we give up? Again, that was a past administration. But there's not a statute of limitations. That's probably, it's probably still within time. No, it's... Yeah, but is it still within time, I'm saying? Yeah, it wouldn't be fruitful. You know, that was an issue where we deviated from the plan. If we had gone with the original bidder, which was Burke, I think that bid was, I want to say, in the five to six million dollar range. We didn't move forward with Burke. Then we brought in this other contractor later at about nine, 10 million. Field compositions were changed as far as dirt composition and all that. And frankly, there were too many chefs in the kitchen, so we didn't have a clean course. We did withhold some funding from the prior engineer, but to answer your question directly, yes, we will go after folks, but we have to keep it very clean. And that's why we've been working with Capital Projects to get that system set up so we have that ability. I know that's frustrating. And that's why we have DIV now. So thank you, Mr. Nanamaker. I think that's the... I think that's whatever hasn't been asked. The cost is in turf, so I'm a cold account. That's it. Thank you. Um, Council Member Andrea? That was my question. Okay. I was going to ask about the bond and if we were... All right. We went after it. Yes. Thank you. All right. I know I opened that door. Mayor, and then Council Member Reynstein. Um, I'm kind of flummoxed. Turf fields, Trish will tell you, at every convention and everything where they do the data and crunch the numbers, this is a recommendation nationwide when it comes to parks. Okay. First off, 365 days a year, you have a field. If you go to Pine Island, those fields are shut down on weekends or shut down different times. Um, we don't care about recs, uh, travel stock or anything. It's for the rec kids. If you go there and kick a ball or watch, watch them play, there's clumps of grass and it rolls and the ball rolls almost like in the Flintstones or something. The other part is, look, you got no chemical treatments. You got no water. You don't have to water them. You got, they're weatherproof. They drain quick. You have consistency. People like playing on them. And overall, it's an easy call. It's an easy call. So, Mayor, just to be clear, I don't think we're, um, questioning the efficacy of that. I'm trying to look at the global picture about what are we looking at for costs down the road. And I just wanted to understand if the engineering is taking all that into consideration, do we have the opportunity at the end of this to say where we'd like to go? But rather than speculate, people are using this, more people using this, she can get you the numbers. Yes. Let's use numbers rather than speculation. Yeah. And I think when we get there to approve any of this that we will, we'll get the engineering done for us. But thank you for that, Mayor. Councilmember Reinstein. Well, there's no question. I don't want to harp on it. But since, um, Councilmember Anderson brought it up, I just want to make sure that it's clear as that, um, you know, the, there may be a discussion that, um, you just got an answer from Mr. Newtmaker now, um, but this is not a new discussion. Um, I think many of us, I know that I can speak for myself is that I've had a number of those conversations with our administration, um, over the past, uh, couple of years in terms of, um, what happened and, and what, uh, um, what could have been done or, or should have been done. And in the end, um, we're here right now with this new, um, move for field improvement and authorization so that we can take the best steps forward to try and deal with, um, what may be, uh, past administration, um, uh, brought us to this point. Um, I, I also want to just compliment in terms of, um, Ms. O'Toole and Mr. Ambrosia is that, uh, um, probably like others, I've walked the fields with them and, and with some residents as well. And, um, you know, there are, um, I know that, um, Mr. Ambrosia has talked about some of the conferences that he's been to and some of the, uh, the latest studies in terms of the best type of turf. And so, um, I, I'm confident that the research that has been done by our department, um, and by, um, our leadership, uh, will, will bring us what we need for, for our residents. So, I just wanted to make sure that, um, I acknowledge the efforts that you've, uh, you've undertaken and the department's undertaken for, uh, for our fields. So, thank you. Thank you, Council Member Reinstein. Anyone else, Council? Nope. Anyone from the public on this item? Right. Mr. Wynn. May I approach? Yes. You did want this pulled as well, did you not? Thank you, sir. I could pass them out. Just hand them all to me. Thank you. Thank you. Joanne, 944 Northwest 92nd Terrace. I apologize. You get me. You were supposed to get somebody far more qualified in this, uh, but they had a family emergency and, uh, that's, that's, uh, the way the cookie crumbles, unfortunately. Um, so I know we're thinking about multiple issues right now and we're not solely looking at whether, uh, turf or artificial or natural is, is the better approach. Um, and the terms of drainage, goodness knows Tyne Island Park needs way more drainage improvements than it already has and we know going back we're not going to revisit and flog that horse as it were. Um, Central Park also can improve. That's, there's, there's no, no objections on that. Um, improving drainage also improves the quality of the soil and of the grass because then it can grow in and doesn't have, um, wet roots. It doesn't have fungus. Therefore the, the grass can be thicker and thus not caught, getting caught on the soccer ball and all of that and getting divots. Um, so you take a look at that, what, what's been passed out the info, uh, from IFAS, uh, on that, um, essentially if we're just in the mindset on the turf versus artificial, um, one of them is better economically. One of them is better for people and the planet. And it really comes down to which we want to prioritize. Now, if we're thinking we have to just maximize economics on this, then I would say, why are we not also considering it for our golf course? It would save a heck of a lot of money there as well. And then you know how every surface would be in the golfers would have an exact surface. Now, of course that's ludicrous. And I know you'd have a riot here because people would flip out that you'd threaten to make a golf course artificial, right? But yet we have no problem doing that for sports where there's actually substantial impact from turf. Uh, the, the material. So a recent study that just came out last month from California's, uh, O-E-H-H-A, it's a health organization, uh, they, they found that crumb, crumb rubber essentially recycled car tires using as a substrate. They found no negative impacts of that and it's okay to be used as synthetic turf. However, you can see the massive problems with it. In addition, uh, the Eichen School of Medicine at Mount Sinai for the Children's Environmental Health Center, they have a long name, uh, they found in every sample that they tested of any kind, PFAS, PAH, lead, zinc, black carbon, uh, and many other contaminants. And their official statement is the Children's Center, blah, blah, blah, strongly discourages the installation of artificial turf playing surfaces and fields due to the uncertainties surrounding the safety of these products and the potential, 30 seconds more please, uh, and the potential, uh, for dangerous heat and chemical exposures. My cousin plays on one of those travel teams. Uh, when he plays on our turf fields in the summer, he ends up with heat blisters on his feet inside his cleats after the game. When you're sitting at the game, you see the sheen of that heat, that desert heat kind of what sheen, you don't get that on soil, uh, you get that on this. And finally, uh, our parks are not just for humans, they're also for the wildlife that lives there. And we're trying to make pollinator gardens and other experiences. We're burrowing owls at Central Park. They are beloved. They can't live at artificial turf. We kind of want to make them have a home as well. And just drainage, yes, keep in mind anything else, just think of the golf course and go, wow, that's crazy. And thank you again. Thank you, Mr. Wynn. Anybody else? All right. Do I have a motion on this item? I'll make the motion to approve. Do we have a second? Okay. Thank you. Ms. Beggarro, please call the roll. Council member Reinstein. Yes. Council member Anderson. Yes. Council member Andrew. Yes. Council member Fadgen. No. Council member Horland. Yes. Administrative discussion items. City paid partnership for the implementation of a seventh pump station to mitigate South Acre's flooding vulnerabilities. Just a reminder, there is no public comment on this item. It's a discussion item only. Mr. Nanamaker. Oh, good evening again. This item is basically seeking consensus to continue on our current path, working with paid on the development of the seventh pump station for the South Acres. We're very excited about it. I mean, it's probably one of the most tremendous things we can do for the acres for a relatively cheap sum. Total project costs estimated to be about $3.5 million. What we're looking to do right now is engage with them on phase one, a phase one light really. So pro rata portion of that, say $350,000, $380,000 cost based on our park footprint, our street footprint, basically public rights of way and whatnot. If you all ever mind to continue our path forward, what we would do is work out an interlocal or an MOU with the district. Bring that back forward to y'all so you can see exactly what we're getting, who's under contract to do the survey work. That would be the most of the work would be actually survey work. And we also thought, you know, obviously there's an election that's coming up. Unfortunately, we don't know when that is because the legislation has not been signed yet. It was going to be on June 9th. It's now we don't know. We know it can't be on the primary day because it has to be a standalone so that there's a little bit of flux there. But our goal was to try to go forward enough to get us through that period. And then we'll know who's going to see the project through to the long term. But regardless of what happens with that election, whether the jurisdiction of paid stays in its current format or the city takes it over, regardless, this is a worthwhile project. It's just who's going to be leading it up. So I just offer that. And there's a lot of detail in the backup. I will try to answer any questions to the degree that I can. Unfortunately, Samira's at a stormwater conference, so she couldn't be here. No, thank you, Mr. Nenemek. The backup was terrific. And just to be clear for anybody listening at home that we do have public assets there. And that's why the city is taking a role in this. Obviously, we'd like to be able to provide some relief for the residents of the acres who are also our residents. But it's primarily paid responsibility. But because we do have those assets there, it'll be a shared responsibility. So thank you for that. Council members, do you have any comments or questions from Mr. Nenemekker? Nope. Do we have a consensus to move forward with this item? Okay. Yeah. And I agree. I think time is of the essence to get this phase started. I appreciate it. We'll break it forward. Thank you very much. Thanks for working on that. Thank you. Thank you. Next item is item number 23, the Pilot Swale Tree Program. Mr. Thompson, how are you, sir? Great. Good evening, Council President, members of the Council, City Attorney, Mayor. Matt Thompson, Public Works Director. So I'm very excited to bring tonight the Pilot Swale Tree Program offered to our residents through the Public Works Department. This is what happens when you let me out of the office. I made the commitment to walk the walks in 26 and we're about 60 something miles in. Yep. So we are staying steadfast with our commitment. First and foremost, I want to thank my team at Public Works. We do have our Public Works arborist Hugo Pais in the back, Mr. Felix Casado, Becky Khalil. The list goes on and on, who played a big hand in this program. And of course, the supportive administration. So I'll run through this. It won't take up too much time. I promise we'll get everybody out of here. So as you see, it's a pilot program. Up last night I did fail to put that it's going to be open to 100 residents at first. That's going to be the pilot part of it to allow us to work any bugs out of it. Randomly they apply? Correct. So we'll walk through that process here. I'm proud to announce that it's going to be launched on Earth Day at the Earth Day event, how fitting. And I didn't plan for it to be on tonight's agenda with everything else green going on. But it just worked that way. Tell everybody you did. So obviously just a quick recap. I'm not going to read the slides. If you have questions at any time, please feel free to stop me. It's going to be managed by Public Works. It's open to our residents in the city and it will be managed and overseen from plant selection to planting of the tree. There are some criterias and we'll get into those. Obviously we're going to offer one free trail, uh, swale tree per household. Um, we're going to plant the tree and then monitor the tree for the first month. And then upon inspection of that, we'll give advice. There'll be a placard of how to care for the tree, all the guidelines, what IFAS recommends. So planting is going to take place in the swale. Now through our walks, there's a lot going on in our swales and we're very aware of that. And the swale size criteria was picked through our data analysis of being out there walking the streets. We're able to see what works, what doesn't work. It's a balance of progress and tradition. That's what we always strive to do. You know, as Mr. Wynn, I appreciate your comments about the oak trees and swales and you're correct. And we've all had these conversations. They don't work, but the adequate size swale with some protective measures. I've met with multiple departments, landscape, utilities, engineering. We've all put our heads together to try to get this balance of progress with tradition. So everything's going to be taken into consideration when we are doing the right tree in the right place. So how it's going to work, the resident can submit an application. I would, she would kill me, but Michelle Cassato, amazing putting all that on the website. Thank you, Michelle. I know you left. There'll be a quick link tab. They fill out the application online. They submitted pictures of their swale and that gets sent right to our department. It starts right there. We go out, we do inspections of the swale. We communicate with the resident. We look for soil compaction, any utilities in the swale, overhead lines, utility boxes, fire hydrants. Everything's taken into consideration so that we can come up with a proper planting site that makes a resident happy. And most importantly, it leaves the tree there for the entirety life of the tree so that we don't have to come back and remove it in 15 years. As you see, we're going to visit, we plant the tree, monitor the tree for the first month, as I explained. Now, the unique thing about this program is once the tree is planted and that month has surpassed, the tree now becomes a responsibility of the homeowner. This is where the progress of the city kind of comes into play. As I mentioned before, we have close to 30,000 trees in the city. Mr. Hugo has about 21 guys in his whole landscape division that maintains all this. I've got nine who cut trees. That's a lot of trees to cut every year for just those staff. And we're overwhelmed. And these trees have reached mature size. They've caused infrastructure damage that we're all aware of. And we don't want to recreate that wheel. So by having the homeowners responsible for the tree, it gives some skin in the game. They're going to, you know, they can always reach out to us for guidelines. Like I said, we'll give them placards, recommendations, how to, recommend per city code, city arborist, do trimming, things of that nature. We're always there to help. It'll be, again, one free tree, a little repetitive, but I'm making sure that I don't miss anything. And again, we're going to go back to following city code so that there's some standardization throughout. Now, you may ask, how are we going to know what's a pilot program swale tree versus what's a previous swale tree? Good question. So we're going to log all those through our GIS platform. Their application will be attached to that. A work order will be submitted, and we'll have all that documentation readily available. Code enforcement will have access to it. They'll be able to know, monitor, so that they're not citing people for putting in a swale tree, not knowing that it's part of the pilot program. So we're, like I said, we're encompassing every department on this. So through our analysis and our walks, we discovered we can't forget what a swale is for. A swale is a function of stormwater. It's a utility bank. It's, and it's a good place for a mailbox, but not parking. What we've discovered is swales that are under 10 feet. There's just so much going on in that confined space. We don't want to convolute that area. We want to keep the flow of stormwater going to the storm drains, and we've just seen too much destruction happening in that small of a swale. 10 to 20 feet, you know, we're going to start the program there. There's going to be three species of trees that are offered per swale size. All trees will be Florida Fancy number one grown trees. They'll be hand selected by our arborist. They'll be 25 to 30 gallon container grown, and 8 to 12 feet overall. We'll come out, plant it, stake it, get it on its best foot forward. So for our 10 to 20, what we're seeing is a lot of success with our crepe myrtles, our silver buttonwoods, and our dahoon hollies. You know, there's really no rhyme or reason while we're walking out there. Some areas, there's a 40-year-old oak tree, and it's busted the sidewalk up, and two doors down there's a 40-year-old oak tree, and the sidewalk's completely fine. Yeah, there's really no rhyme or reason, and I can't get anybody to explain it to me, but we're going to go with what's consistent that we see and what we know works. So for our 20 to 30 foot, our pink tababouya, Simpson stopper, and satin leaf. And we have these trees all throughout the city already. We monitor them. We have a few back here by PD, and we've seen their success. The Japanese blueberry, although some do have yellowing leaves, the majority that we see are very dark green and very healthy. So again, it's all soil composition and things like that. That's really what that first month is for. If we see that tree species not doing well, maybe we do pull it, move it to another location, and recommend a different species of tree. But we're not here to say, here, this is your problem, deal with it. We're here to keep the aesthetics of the neighborhood, keep the tradition of plantation and the trees, but let's do what works and put the right tree in the right place. Southern Rye Oak. There's a history of those in our city. You look at Plantation Road. That's a beautiful road with a beautiful canopy. I don't want to take that away. I want to fix the city and the infrastructure, but I don't want to take away the tradition of what it is. And I'm okay with repairing some sidewalks in 10, 15, 20 years, a small portion of them, if we get to keep this great canopy, because then we can monitor it, we can control it. But when we have this vast canopy that's destroying 300 miles of sidewalks, it's unbearable and we can't afford to do it. So it's highlighting those certain areas throughout the city, keeping the nostalgic tree canopy, and really monitoring the sidewalks to maintain that. And Bald Cypress, you know, a lot of people say, oh my gosh, the knees. Yes, the knees do come up when they're saturated in water. That's how the trees breathe. So swales are not going to be constantly saturated in water, and they do help absorb water. So we figured that would be a viable option for that size swale. Oh, that's my video. That's not going to play. It's a quick video that shows where the tab is on the website, and it actually just scrolls down and shows one of our team members filling out the application process, just how easy it is and the criteria. What's that? Way easier than the video. Thank you, Mr. Thompson. I know you've put a lot of time and effort into this. We appreciate it. We appreciate you addressing our concerns about a lot of the trees that are being removed. I think we just continue to ask that they be deliberate and not a whole swath where you can avoid it. And I think you've been very thoughtful about that. So thank you for this. My question to you is, other than us monitoring it and make sure it's the right tree in the right place, which had not been done before, we've told a lot of people no planting in the swales. With those larger swales, when we're looking at a live oak, are we considering anything like root barriers? Of course. That's what I said. Yes, that's why we met with landscape. Staying that 15 feet away from the infrastructure. We've discussed the root barriers. And we're always looking for that innovative new way. What's new and leading that's going to not... I'm going to have to go back and fix it. Right. I don't want to do it. Okay. We appreciate that. We've got a couple of questions from Councilmembers. First, Councilmember Andreu. Oh, Anderson. Matt, I went through the entire presentation and listened to you, but you said it's up to the resident to maintain it. Got it. That would be trimming it and things. But what about 10 years down the road or 20 years down the road if we didn't put a roof area up or something? And it is uplifting the sidewalk. Who's responsible to fix the sidewalk? I know currently the city's been taking on the burden. And if the tree's on the other side of the sidewalk, on the homeowner's side, we know it's the homeowner's responsibility. Correct. On the swale side, the city's been taking it on. Are you talking about when you said maintain the tree? Are they maintaining the ramifications of that tree 20 years down the road? Well, the whole purpose of this program is to not have ramifications. But if there is... In the unlikely circumstance that there is, we will work with that resident. And we will document that. Hopefully right tree, right place, right maintenance. Correct. But the whole purpose of this is to avoid that. I'm with you. Yes. Okay. The other questions I have, I'll just ask you offline because it's really the tangent. I've been noticing a lot of trees just being cut down and not by you. Hmm. Yeah, let's talk. When I'm jogging and I just see stumps sitting in someone's yard. Interesting. So I know the law changed a little bit and I need to be updated on what the residents... Yeah, there's been some changes in some state statutes and we just have to be careful that people read it the right way. And there's still guidelines that they need to follow. I think they think they have supreme authority now. I mean, and we do our due diligence when we're out there. If we see something, we work very closely with Indalee and David Jones and his team, and we bounce code cases back and forth. So yeah, we're very aware. Thank you. Council Member Reinstein and then Andrea. Thank you, Council President. So I'll first ask in a follow-up in regards to Council Member Anderson's question and comments regarding residents' responsibility. So while I understand that your position, and really I think your position always has been on any of these issues, is we'll work with the residents and we'll make sure that things are taken care of. And maybe the lawyer hat on me says, well that's great that we want to work with our residents and we hope that our residents will work with us. But I'm thinking in terms of some type of indemnification or some type of really assurance that they understand that their responsibility is that once we've put it in and this 30-day time period is up, that they fully understand. And when we say fully understand, unfortunately we should mean in writing that what their responsibility is. So can you respond or comment as to that? Yes, sir. So I will get you that application video over to you, and it does explain that very thoroughly. Even if they're not the homeowner, we do need written consent from the homeowner, notarized, and all of that will be recorded with the clerk of the county. Okay, fantastic. So thank you. So that, I think that answers that. The second one, and maybe if you can go back to one of the slides that has any three trees that you have, any one, that's fine. So you've presented us with different slides that show swale tree options for different sizes. And maybe you can just elaborate a little further for the public is that when you talk about right tree, right place, and you swale tree options is that are the residents one, are they choosing which one that they want? And if you have multiple options that are available, and then we have within this pilot, we have multiple residents on the same street. Are we looking at a, one resident may have the pink tree, one may have the Simpsons, another the sadden leaf. And is that also what we're potentially anticipating that we're going to see a street with varied types of trees on that street? You could see a lot of diversity in the species of tree, but there's no, there's no right or wrong when it comes to tree planting, as long as you're putting the right tree in the right place. Each tree possesses its own unique characteristics and provides different colors at different times of the year. And it will enhance the aesthetics. Is that kind of what you're, it does, and that's really, I guess my question is that in terms of your, your view and, and maybe our landscaping in general and our different departments is that aesthetically, and I don't, you know, I can't really think in terms of other locations in our city that have such a variety of, I mean, most of the, if you, if you're looking at canopy, it's usually the same type of, of tree canopy. It's not multiple different, you know, variety. They look the same, but there's actually four to five different species of trees. Fair enough. Okay. So, so then no concerns that we're going to see a pink one, a sadden leaf and all of these that are going to mix up and aesthetically won't look like we want it to look like we're, we're, we're fixing one problem, but creating another one. That's not going to be. No. And remember, this is a volunteer program. We're not going to march up and down the streets and say, you got to put two trees in here and you got to do this. And this is a volunteer program. Right. But it's a volunteer, but we're providing the options. So that's why I want to make sure is that aesthetically it's going to look how we actually want it to look. Correct. And we're not creating a different. All of these trees will fit into the existing landscape of the city very well. Okay. That answers it. And one other point that I do want to mention is say you do have a 30 foot swale, you, you can pick a small or a medium tree as well as a large tree. You're not only forced into picking, you have nine options with a large tree. I mean, a large swale, a medium swale, you have six options. So that way it kind of creates that. And we're open to, if you have an adequate swale size and there's proper planting, we're making the same style tree available for purchase. And we will plant that if they have the accommodating space. Thank you very much. You're welcome. Council Member Andreyu. Thank you, President Horland. I was so excited to see this. I think this is such a great option for our residents. So I want to thank you and your entire team for putting all of this together. You're making it look simple, but I can imagine the hours and the time spent on this. Well, thank you all for your support. I do have one question. I think my colleagues kind of also teed it up and Mr. Noonamaker and I discussed it. What happens though when home ownership changes? So I know that we'll have a record of it, um, in our database, but you know, now I've sold my home and the new owner, how do they become aware that this is their responsibility now to, to with the upkeep? And we have that verbiage inside of the application process. And I think that's the importance of recording it with the county. Okay. So when they go through that whole, um, it will become part of the landscape on that property. Perfect. Yes, ma'am. Thank you. You're welcome. Thank you. No other comments, council members? All right. Thank you again for putting this together. We really appreciate all the hard work of you and your staff. Thank you for your support. All righty. Moving on. We're moving on to legislative items. Item number 24. It's a vacation of a zip up. I'm sorry. If I could beg your indulgence. Oh, sure. We had added an item, uh, or would like to add an item for a brief discussion. I don't want to discuss this regarding the SROs. I'm sorry. I didn't know that I was supposed to add that. Apologies. I should have reminded. It's okay. Um, y'all have two items on, on the day as before you. One is a letter sent from the police chief of the school district to our police chief Friday afternoon, informing us that the services of the plantation, uh, middle school SRO would no longer be needed, uh, for the upcoming school year. And you also have a copy of a news article, um, a portion of which is highlighted indicating there's an eight year plan for this transition globally to, uh, move away from the city SROs. Um, uh, we provide that for y'all because we were, one, we're taken aback in the first instance regarding the SRO position for plantation middle. Our understanding was this was still an item that was under discussion. There were ongoing conversations with the BCCMA and the school district, um, and in the manner in which it was transmitted from chief to chief, not to denigrate those positions, but that's a substance of policy issue that needs to be communicated directly to the mayor. Um, and just given the lack of clarity on, on the position, uh, generally in the one to one discussions, we were just taken aback by how that, that was transmitted. Um, so we already had a disagreement there that we were prepared to respond to. Um, but we also wanted to get y'all's input as well. And then subsequent to that, seeing that let the, the, uh, news article about an eight year plan, we've never been made aware of an eight year plan. Uh, now there's a BCCMA meeting tomorrow and based on another conversation I had before this meeting, it appears that the superintendent is going to make multiple appearances at various meetings over the next few days to clarify some things. Um, so I understand that maybe there's not an eight year plan. Um, but regardless, we are going to send out a letter tomorrow underscoring our concerns and with plantation middle in particular, as y'all know, a lot of effort is spent on our program. Um, that consolidation comes with some concerns and against the backdrop of what the school district is facing anyway, with enrollment issues to not address what would probably be, I would think general parental concerns with that consolidation, um, with the SROs, with the current SRO that knows that distinct population that will now be consolidated into plantation high along with the existing SROs. It just seems like it at least warrants further discussion before pulling, uh, or announcing the decision like that. Um, I know chief can talk more about it and more depth and substance. Um, but we wanted to make sure that we offered y'all an opportunity. If there's anything else that you want us to address, uh, with the school district, um, we've, we've got a couple revisions. So we've toned down the rhetoric quite a bit. Um, so by the time it goes out tomorrow, it should be, uh, direct, but not, not, not over the top. Um, but we do take it seriously because we think the way that this is, this has moved forward is, is completely unacceptable. Correct. Um, so before I turn it over to my colleagues, I'd like to give them a bit of, um, background on just the level of discussions that have been taking place. So we did have this three years ago, um, where it was the BCCMA, Broward League of Cities, and, uh, the Chiefs Association. And here we are again. Broward League of Cities, BCCMA, and the Chiefs Association had a meeting with the superintendent and their, um, chief security person, Mr. Gregory. The end of February, beginning of March, um, never was this eight-year plan discussed. We're in contract negotiations for the next three years. And basically, and I'll, I'll use the term we, Broward League of Cities, BCCMA, and the Chiefs Association said we were not prepared to sign off on anything. First of all, we were part on the money, but, um, they came up with the idea of removing 27 SROs. And when the question was asked, what schools, they said, we'll get you a list by the end of March. Well, March 30th came, April 1st came, and no one had a list. And it wasn't until Friday afternoon when those letters went out without anyone being notified. We don't know what metrics they used. Did they look at school population? Did they look at the area of the campus? Um, is this simply a reaction to their financial constraints? But our student safety should not, um, be subject. Um, I think such rash decision making. Um, to Mr. Nonamaker's point, I shared with him that the superintendent reached out late this afternoon and asked to come to our Broward League of Cities dinner tomorrow night, where we're representing four scholarships to students. Um, I personally don't think it's appropriate, but he's also appearing at BCCMA. And we didn't, we, if we're, we're doing it with BCCMA, we, we need to give out equal opportunity. Um, we will give him five minutes. It will not be a prolonged discussion. If elected officials in that room have further discussion, uh, questions, we will ask the chief to set up a separate meeting. But to Mr. Nonamaker's point, I think everyone was blindsided by this, especially when we're in contract negotiations. And we have all stated at various times, certainly three years ago, we're in negotiations, but many times, how valuable our SRO program is. Um, I will put our plantation police SROs against, up against anybody. They know the students, they know the community, they mentor the students. Um, I, for one, don't want to see us lose that. But, um, I am okay with whatever letter you put out to them. I'm going to let my colleagues weigh in. Um, council member Einstein, turn it over to you. Well, I appreciate Mr. Nonamaker that, uh, your desire is to tone down the rhetoric, um, in your correspondence. Um, it feels like every time that we have, um, a, a matter that is coming out of, um, whether it's the superintendent's office or the school board and we're getting blindsided, we're always trying to be the better ones that are toning down our response. And, you know, this is not the first time that we have seen such type of, um, blatant, uh, ignoring of the fact that, um, their schools are in our city. And we've made very clear that this administration and these count and this, this council, um, not only wants to partner, um, but we expect a partnership. Um, these, the students that are in our schools are our students. They're our residents. And whether the school board likes it or not, they come to us probably before they go to them because they see us at Publix. They see us throughout the city and they see us volunteering. They see us at the schools on a regular basis. And so they come to us and they say, you know, why is there, why is there contamination in our soil? We had to deal with that a couple of years ago and we weren't getting the response that we needed from, uh, from the schools. Um, you know, it, it, it boggles my mind sometimes that, you know, the idea that they are ignoring those who care the most, and it, it, it's the teachers, it's the students, and it's us right here on this council. And we're willing to work with them, but if they're going to ignore us, then let's not tone down the rhetoric. Um, let's, let's, let's raise it a bit. Um, and, you know, as, as council president said is that these school resource officers, if you go to any one of these schools, you see the students run up to them and hug them. Um, I, you know, I was just at, um, Plantation Elementary for their career day the other, this week. And, um, we had this huge response from city of plantation. Um, we had parks and rec, um, representatives there. We had lifeguards that were there. We had a whole bunch that were there. But when talking to the students about careers and talking to them about the city of plantation, to them, the best representative for the city of plantation is Mr. Butts. It's the school resource officer. And when we go back there in another month with the plantation women's club that donates bicycles to plantation elementary school, it's Mr. Butts that calls out the students by name because he knows them all by name. And they give him a hug and they say, thank you so much. Um, I don't see any of the school board representatives that are, are, are at the school. I don't see them there. And when they are there, they're there for a quick picture and they're not there to really find out what's going on in terms of the playgrounds, in terms of the doors, in terms of the, the issues we've been having with the deaf and hard of hearing community. I mean, there's issue after issue that as a council, we've had to can go push and push and, you know, and it's not for a lack of, of effort for some of our school board members. I mean, some of them are responsive and they are there, but, um, you know, listen, I'm angry and I appreciate you wanting to tone down the rhetoric, but if it was up to me, um, I'd say, please don't tone it down. Let them know that we're angry and let them know that, um, you know, what they're, what they're, um, suggesting and what they're, um, setting forth is not in the best interest of our students and our families and our city. I appreciate it. What you outlined is exactly the source of our frustration. We see the efforts of the mayor, the council, the EAB staff support, all of that happening. And it just does, it seems to be a one way street. And I would compartmentalize that associated with the administration, the district, not our individual schools, uh, but it is very frustrating. Um, but I appreciate the feedback. Thank you. So this was a lengthy discussion yesterday. I don't know how many people were able to listen to the workshop that took place yesterday. Um, I think that the final decision was made to bring this item back as a workshop to the school board. It did appear to me that, um, many of the members of the board were not aware of these letters. So my question to you, Mr. Noonamaker, when you send this out, are you going to copy all nine board members? Absolutely. Okay. I think that's important so that they can all be aware. Plantation was not even mentioned in the discussion. It was the municipalities that are losing, I guess, their entire force, um, of SROs. So because we're only, and I will use the air quotes, losing plantation middle, we weren't even mentioned in the discussion. So I really, it's an assumption, but I got the feeling that they were not even aware about our letter. Um, so I think it's important, um, to let them know that our expectation is that the SRO from plantation middle goes to plantation high with the students. And we were one of very few municipalities who really got on board with the redefining of schools. Um, and again, to council member Reinstein's point, partnered with them. We were at those meetings. I'll leave that there. We were present at those redefining meetings and it is important to this council that our SRO remains. Thank you. Thank you. And I think to that point, and I'll let you get back in, um, we have been very supportive of the superintendent. I know Broward League of Cities has been very supportive in the redefining and other things. And as I said to Mr. Nunnamaker via text message on Friday, this would be akin to administration making a decision of this magnitude and not notifying any of us because I think your assertion is correct. I spoke to two school board members last week and asked if they knew what was happening with the 27 schools because prior to Friday we had nothing. They looked at me like I was crazy. They had no idea what I was talking about. And I believe they had no idea what I was talking about, um, based upon the reaction to the letter. So I think to council member Andrea's point, it would be important to copy them on that. Um, my concern continues to be that this district puts out major policy decisions, um, and then they have to keep retracting them. And I, I feel that this might be another one of them. And if the superintendent, um, let's not even talk about the fact the letter went out on the old letterhead that with school board members that are no longer with the district, um, that is embarrassing and speaks to, um, well, but, um, if key people did not know this letter was going out, then that's an issue that the superintendent has as well. So I think I'm sure you'll be interested to hear what he has to say at BCCMA, um, tomorrow as I will tomorrow evening. Um, council member Reinstein to wrap it up. Well, while I may have already spoken enough on this one issue, I, I do feel that I want to make one more point. And that is that, um, you know, when we're talking about the fact that the letter that we received was regarding removing the NSRO, um, I think the discussion should be the complete opposite. it should be more SROs. Um, if you were to talk to those, particularly at the high schools and the larger schools that take up larger properties, um, they would like more assistance, not less assistance. Mm-hm. And it just seems that, um, this is just another disconnect with what is really needed on the ground in our schools. Can I just add one more comment, President Horland? To that point, um, I think it would be equitable. And I know Mr. Noonamaker and I had this conversation. If we had some type of formula, whether that's based on FTE or the square footage of the campus or whatever the chiefs deem appropriate. But so it's equitable because I do see other campuses and, or it's based on, um, referrals or incidents or whatever it is. But so it's applied throughout the district, um, very clearly and fairly. Yes, ma'am. So we at least understand their methodology. Why are they doing it? Exactly. Because you'll see some schools that have, you know, four SROs and less students and some schools who have two and, and smaller campuses. And so I think if we go and approach it from that standpoint of having some type of formula so that we can understand the methodology, at least all of the municipalities can be on the same page. And I think that's what the League of Cities and BCCMA is asking also. What metrics were used to make these decisions? Because the way it feels, it was just willy nilly. Um, so I think we'd all like to know. Chief Schlegel? I would say to your point, Council Member, uh, we would have loved to have had that conversation. Right. Okay. But nobody gave us that opportunity, so. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Mr. Noonamaker. Um, choose your tone of the letter, whatever you see fit. I appreciate the unambiguous feedback. You've heard from us and, um, you know, as I said, I think you heard, the main thing is I would make sure that everybody was copied on that. I appreciate it. Thank you, Chief. Thank you, Mr. Noonamaker. All right. Moving on to legislative items. Vacation, item number 24, vacation of existing limited access easement, Calvary Chapel of Fort Lauderdale, Inc. Mr. Ezreal, do you need to read that summary? No, we do not. Okay. Um, Mr. Holmes, is anybody? This is just for the vacation of the existing limited easement, right? This has, really, doesn't have to do with the project. It kind of crosses both departments. It's related to Calvary. It's related, but it has no bearing on the project. Right. Well, it, it, well, let me show. Let me, can you bring up the, uh, I'm going to show you what it is and, um, if there's any, cause, uh, the engineering department basically processes these, but I would like to show you. Um, and I have to go all the way to the end of my presentation, unfortunately, just to show you, cause I did add a, oops. Okay. So this is, uh, the, uh, Calvary Chapel, uh, property here, um, because they are kind of expanding, uh, what they're doing. They have right now, uh, kind of ingress, egress point that's here. Uh, this is like the, what we call the NVAL, uh, non-vehicular access line. And, uh, it did allow, uh, an opening here, but because, uh, I guess the existing sanctuary is kind of located here and they're expanding, uh, they had to relocate it. Uh, I think it's here. Uh, so basically, uh, what they're doing is just kind of relocating this and vacating that old, uh, access easement and, and creating a new access easement into the, into the site. So this item basically is, uh, just deals with the access easement. I don't know if there's anything engineering wants to add, uh, to that. As I said, uh, we kind of process this together, but they do the primary review on the, uh, uh, uh, non-vehicular access. Good evening, um, Leonard Donneville, assistant city engineer. Um, nothing major really for the vacation of easement. Um, I added a, a quick memo just to explain, um, what it was. There is currently two, um, existing, um, entrances as of right now. And one of them actually was, uh, they were plotted, I think, um, like where the driveways are, are like different from what's the plot shown. So they come in to make like kind of like a correction. And at the same time, they want to, um, eliminate that, um, access easement and replace it with that NVL you guys see right here. So it was an existing access easement. They want to get rid of, and then replace it with this NVL. Council members, any questions on that? Okay. Um, Ms. Bernardi and Ms. McCormick, you signed up to speak on that. Do you want to wait until the quasi items or do you want to speak about the easement? I want to make sure that you have an opportunity to speak on what you... Donna Marie McCormick, 1201 Northwest 114th Avenue Plantation. So I'm really, it's, for me, it's all tied in together. Because last week I saw this sign and I called to inquire what the changes were going to be. And when I learned what the changes were going to be, which was a 17,000 square foot addition with 10 classrooms and 14 offices, I started looking to say, well, what did I miss? And so I looked for planning and zoning and I find out that planning and zoning wasn't involved. So I reached out and I found out that the director has the opportunity at his discretion to exempt a site plan based on whether or not certain conditions are met. But I'm confused because there are four separate items on tonight's agenda. And I'm concerned that every, just because the director has an opportunity to make an exception, I don't necessarily feel that every exception should be made. And I feel... Ms. McCormick, let's focus on item number 24 if you want to speak on a site plan. Okay, all right. Let's talk about the engineering piece of this. Okay, so I think they're all tied together. And so my point is, I think they're all tied together. And it should go back to plan, it should go to planning and zoning rather than taking it piecemeal. But thank you for the opportunity of speaking my mind. Ms. Bernardi, did you want to speak to the easement? Okay. So I wish he had a clearer picture. Oh, wait. Lori Bernardi, 11681 Northwest 6th Street, Plantation Acres. I wish he had a clearer picture of the ins and outs from the building as it is now. Because I actually took a drive over there on church this weekend. And then I also went by today. And there's an opening that goes right into the parking lot where all the cars are parked because American Heritage Park's over there already. So where he's talking about the one that's... Is that it right there? Yeah, there's the one that goes straight in. And then there was another opening. But I don't understand why they want to close off any of the openings because that parking lot is so busy all the time when school lets out. And I understand that they're going to try to stagger their times. But it's completely packed now. I have no problem with the development of making it bigger. But I just don't understand how closing off one opening, because the cars coming out even on 118th, once they start coming out, they actually block off the cars heading south because they want to get into the lane to turn left. That once they start coming out, the kids, they just keep coming. Because it's like if we keep coming, then we can keep going out. But to block it off, even on church times, they block off a lane of traffic on Broward Boulevard. I mean, between the church and American Heritage, you'd think they own Broward Boulevard from 118th to Flamingo as it is. I mean, they have the cops out there like an hour and a half at least before the school even lets out. And they're there way past school time because they have so many after-school activities. And for how busy the parking lot already is that I know it's only going to be kids from 2 to 5, but you're going to have parents there for activities. You're going to have the added spaces. I just don't see where they're going to park all these cars. But I don't have a problem with the building. So there's like a... Let's deal with the vacation of easing. Yeah, so the opening being blocked off, I don't understand how cars are just going to have two places to get in and out of, especially on 118th, it's already so busy there with that light. I think we need to better explain the vacation of easement, why they're requesting it. Can I walk up? Sure. Well, first of all, I don't want to go into the site plan itself. No, I don't want you to. But the vacation of easement and the reasoning, and that's, we asked that as part of the traffic study for the development. Like, why do we have to close that entrance? Because we don't want, you know, major traffic on Buva also on 118th. And there's a traffic study that was submitted to us and was like totally reviewed by the city engineer, myself, and also our consultant with the numbers. And the vacation of easement, again, I didn't want to touch base on the site plan, but they had to go to Boyard County. But Boyard County sent them to the city for them to, because they intended to close the drive. But before they even close the driveway, they need to go to that process of vacating that easement. So what I'm trying to say from a traffic standpoint, there is really no concern as far as the entrance, as far as closing that entrance. Okay. Thank you. Councilmember Reinstein. Yeah, can I, a question for you, is that if we look here at the, right in the center, so underneath aerial, the R, right in the middle where there's the through street, right? That's the part we want to vacate, right? That's the part. The vacation is for long. Can you point to it? So there's a 10-foot easement. Is that the first one? Yes. Oh, okay. So there's a vacation. There's an easement that runs along Boyard Boulevard all the way. There's an easement that runs there, so that's why they're trying to vacate. But as part of the vacation also, and that's the 10-foot easement, they also want to get rid of that driveway. Okay. So I just want to, in terms of that driveway, I can just, I mean, any time I've ever driven by there when there's been something going on, whether it's, you know, Sunday morning for church or there's any activities, that driveway's always blocked off anyway. It's never, as far as I've seen it, it's never been an active through driveway. They've always had it blocked off. So is, I'm not sure if maybe Ms. Bernardi, in terms of your question, are you concerned about that being blocked off? Is that part of the concern that you're raising? In these areas over here, the new and the offices. So, but the vacation you're not concerned about then. Well, my thing is, why would you block this off if you're going to still have the students over there? But they don't use it anyway. Where are you going to park the people that are in the offices at all? Aren't they going to have to come in too? Because those kids are all coming in and out with this. Let me just, let me just mention, because once... Are you going to come in here and then go around and park in here? Hold on one second. Yeah, I just want to mention, and again, that's why I didn't want to get ahead of myself. When you see the site plan, the way the building is configured, then that's probably going to give you a better idea. Yeah. Thank you, Leonard. Hi. Could you identify yourself, please? Juan from Keith Engineering, Pompano Beach, 301 East Atlantic Boulevard in Pompano Beach. Thank you, Juan. If you could just speak to the vacation of Eastman. Sure, no problem. So, sorry. Hopefully I can do this right here. So, as he mentioned already, we do have a NVL that goes all the way across West Broward Boulevard. Right here, this opening here... Juan, I'm going to stop you. Can you describe or define what an NVL is for the public? No problem. A non-vehicle access line, essentially what it is is if, for example, right now it currently goes all the way across, correct? So, if let's say I was coming in for a site plan application, we can't propose any driveway openings on that line. Okay. So, right now, right here, this center line is technically what's already been platted is open. So, that's fine. What we're doing now with this site plan you guys will see shortly is expanding this existing building, a little bit more West. So, essentially this driveway is going to be going away. And they're shifting the parking spaces to where this building is. So, you see these spaces here. Technically, we're losing maybe a few spaces, but it's not affecting the parking, which we've already gone through the DRC process. So, essentially now we're going to be vacating that. So, that's going to be back to NVAL here. And then this opening here is a proposed opening, because right now that's technically under the NVAL. So, that's going to be, we're proposing that we're going through the whole planning process, or not planning process, but vacation process with the county as well on that. Okay. Thank you for defining that. No worries. Yeah. And we'll get to that on the site plan. Correct. Yes. Yeah. Okay. All right. Council members, any further discussion on the item? Anyone from the public? Motion to approve. I'll second. Ms. Beggaro, please call the roll. Council member Reinstein? Yes. Council member Anderson? Yes. Council member Andreu? Yes. Council member Fajan? Yes. Council member Horland? Yes. Okay. Mr. Holmes. We are moving on to quasi-judicial proceedings. The City Attorney, will you please read the rules? Yes. Thank you, Council President. Excuse me. The City Clerk will swear on all witnesses before speaking. Please state your name and whether you have been administered an oath. Any speaker may be cross-examined. If you refuse to be cross-examined, your testimony may not be considered. Cross-examination shall be conducted in a courteous manner. The material in the City Clerk's agenda packet will be made a part of the record. City staff will make the first presentation, followed by presentations from the applicant, any affected parties, and the public. Elected officials may set reasonable time limits for speakers. The hearing will then be closed and the matter decided. The City Council's decision will be delineated in its motion and rendered in writing by way of a development order resolution or ordinance, evidencing its decision. The City Council may also decide to continue the matter to a designated time to allow for additional research or review. Thank you, Mr. Ezreal. Ms. Beggarow? All right. Those providing testimony, please stand up and raise your right hand. Anyone who will be speaking on these items, items 25, 26, and 27. All right. Do you swear or affirm that the evidence you are about to give will be the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Thank you. Thank you, Ms. Beggarow. So, we'll be going forward. Items 25, 26, and 27 are all related. The first item, we will have the one presentation, and then we will vote on them separately. This is PP25-0018. Consideration of a request for conditional use approval for Calvary Chapel Plantation Campus. The property is located at 11801 West Broward Boulevard and is zoned CF-P Community Facilities. Mr. Holmes. Yes. Mr. Chair, for the record, Dan Holmes, Planning, Zoning, Economic Development Director. As indicated, this application is a consideration of a request to modify an existing conditional use to allow the expansion of a place of worship. It also includes a site plan elevation landscape plan approval to construct 10 new classrooms and 14 general offices, resulting in a total of 42,707 square feet. As I'll explain as part of this, the existing worship hall pretty much remains intact, so it's a net increase only of about 16,866 square feet. And there are two landscape waivers from Chapter 27 of the city's code that is a part of this request. So this is the city's general location map to the properties located along Broward Boulevard. As you can see there, just west of 118th at 11801 West Broward Boulevard. The agent for the request is Jocelyn Aldis and Juan Pablo Chapa. The overall size of the property is about 7.8 acres. As the chair indicated, the underlying zoning is CF-P. The existing use is a place of worship, and the underlying land use is community facilities, adjacent with regard to adjacent zoning. To the south and west, the property is also zoned community facility. To the north is RS-1EP, which is residential single family. And then to the east, there's a planned residential development, which is zone PRD-10Q. This map kind of just shows an aerial photo to kind of give you a feel for the development surrounding the property. Again, to the north, there's single family residences within Plantation Acres. To the south is West Broward Boulevard and American Heritage School. Located east is the Saraceno East. And then located to the west is the city's fire station number three. With regard to, you see the purple line there, this identifies the public notification boundary that was required as part of this request. It was a 500-foot public notification boundary. And within that boundary, 108 properties were notified. This is the site plan. I've kind of highlighted here in kind of light green. This is the, like, existing building that's there, which is the worship center. This stays the same, so it's going to be the same size, same number of seats or what have you. So they're essentially adding to this and just kind of enhancing around that worship center there and enhancing or enlarging the overall building itself. So that remains intact. That use is there, and the worship hall remains intact. So it's really adding more accessory-type uses surrounding the worship hall. And this just kind of shows the first floor plan. And you see here what the second floor plan would look like for the proposed development. This, again, is the aerial photo that we were just showing, which shows the property as it exists now, as indicated in the last item. Again, this will be closed off because they are enlarging the existing building. This is the proposed landscape plan for the development. And these kind of depict the elevation. So at the top, you see the south elevation. So this is the elevation that you would see from West Broward Boulevard. The top is the north elevation. And then you have the west elevation and then the east elevation there at the bottom. So just some of the analysis criteria that we've gone through. First of all, there is a requirement that the proposed development be compatible with the surrounding development pattern and zoning designation, as we said. The property is an existing house of worship use. It remains the same. They're just kind of enhancing the property itself. So we found that it meets this criteria. We did find that it is in compliance with the city's comprehensive plan and that it is consistent with the site development requirements, the conditional use criteria, and the practical difficulty waiver standards. Now, with regard to the two waivers that are in place or that are being requested, I should say. The first is a landscape waiver from the landscape pedestrian zone width under Section 27255D2. The code requires that landscape pedestrian zones be at least 50% of the building height or 10 feet, whichever is greater. In this case, based upon the building height, the LPZ for the east portion of the property is required to be 17 feet. They're requesting to allow that to kind of meander between 0 and 13 feet. And that's what you kind of see here in red here. You can see how it kind of meanders because the building kind of juts out and juts in. So that's why the landscape pedestrian zone kind of meanders a bit. And then the second is from Section 27255C4. It says, with the exception of trees planted in paved areas, that the landscape area shall be at least 5 feet in dimension. So on the northern end, they are requesting to deviate from this 5-foot minimum requirement to allow it at about 3.7. Again, in blue here, this is the northern portion there, and that's about 3.7 feet. So that's the second waiver that they're being requested. So both waivers are related to landscaping. So they've basically met the criteria and standards of other sections of the code. With regard to citizen comments, we did not receive any comments from those that were notified or any other residents that had concerns about it. And we also note for the record that there were no open code violations on the property. I do want to say one thing. There was a comment about the waiver requirements with regard to the planning and zoning board. I will say that probably I'm approaching close to 10 years, actually. It's hard to believe that, in September. I probably, that waiver provision, although it's been requested numerous times, I can count on one hand how many times we have actually allowed that waiver to go through. And it's basically a waiver that is basically saying, if you have three or fewer waivers, you're basically meeting the intent of the code. And so it's just a way of streamlining the approval process for an applicant. It's not really to get around anything, because ultimately the council is still approving it. Again, we did, I did look at that very heavily when the request was made. One of the other factors that I looked at was that the overall worship hall itself is remaining the same. That's basically what we really utilize to measure the impact of the house of worship itself. That's not changing at all. It's just the amenities that are surrounding or around that, that's really the change. So there's not, there wasn't a large, you know, I know it's a slightly larger, about 16,000 additional square feet overall. But we do weigh that very heavily. So I just want to make it clear, I think you guys know as well, that most of the time I'm always pushing stuff out to the council. I would be just as satisfied if you take that provision out of the code so I don't even have to weigh it and people don't have to come asking me for it and continuously requesting me for it. But just want to let you know, we do look at that very heavily and staff will tell you, I have denied it probably about 90% of the time that it's, that it's come through. So I just wanted to put that on the record with regard to this. That's exactly where Tallahassee is pushing us is to, in fact, they want to take away public input. We're not doing that. That's true. But they're trying to push us to streamline the process. In addition to that, you know, we did add the public meeting to make sure the applicant does get out into the community and to add another venue for the public to see the project very early on. So as you recall, we did amend the code, you know, a couple of years back to ensure that the public was getting another opportunity to see it. Okay, thank you, Mr. Holmes. I'm going to turn to Councilmember Weinstein, then I'm going to have some, I'm going to have some questions for probably for Keith and for Leonard about the traffic study. Thank you, Mr. Holmes. Thank you for the presentation. I'll, I'll start with where you just ended off, is that one, no citizen objections. And well, let me actually, before I get that, I do want to make a Jennings disclosure. I did have a conversation with, wasn't with the applicant, was with some residents and it won't affect my, my decision here. But I, I can understand no, no objections. I don't see any objections. I don't have any concerns with what I've seen in terms of what is being asked for us to consider. But in terms of the process and in terms of the, our code, your last comment, you would take it out of the code. It doesn't matter to you 90% of the time that you, you know, you've, you've seen that, you know, you haven't, you haven't accepted the waiver. And that being said, I don't see why we keep it in there, you know, in the sense that if you're never, if you're almost never utilizing it, you don't see that it's a necessity. Um, I would say not for you, but maybe just as a policy that we take that discretion out. We always, it always goes to P and Z, um, as it would otherwise. It would not bother me a bit, I'm telling you because, but I do, I, the one thing I do kind of see why the council kind of put it in there, because there are times where, I mean, the, the other thing that we get beat up on, I can tell you is that people tell us, Oh, the process takes so long. Sure, expedience. You guys have all these steps and you do this. So basically when the council pretty much implements the zoning regulations for a district and an applicant comes in and for the most part meets all of those zoning regulations that we've identified, the, you know, I, I, I understand why the, probably a previous council did sort of put, uh, some waivers, you know, that waiver in there because they basically met the intent of the code. So, and I, and I see that and I actually will, I think you and I have talked about it is that if I recall the, probably the very first meeting that, um, I ever, um, sat on this council and we discussed waivers, I, I remember raising that question is that if we're, you know, if it's a situation where, um, these waiver requests are coming before us all the time and we're always approving the waiver, then it becomes the rule, not the exception. And then maybe we shouldn't have the waiver, um, in, in this situation here is that I'd rather err on it, going to our advisory board, getting that second look by the planning and zoning. I know it doesn't matter to you. Um, that would be, that would be my preference for another discussion when we're, when we're looking at, um, at the code. The, the other part is something that I've also commented on before from this day is, is that, you know, when we talk about no citizen objections, um, I saw that there was, there was a meeting, there were some people from American heritage that attended, um, which is the, um, about one third of the radius, the 500 feet radius across the street on the other side of Broward. Um, but when I look on the, the, the other side from American heritage, and I'm looking at the map, at least on my screen right here is that most of those properties, um, are, are large properties. And so it limits the actual number of residents that are touched when reaching that radius. And I know we've talked about before is that, well, you know, you, you want, you, you want, uh, um, some consistency with the distance and the radius. But when I see property like this, I want to see a thousand feet radius. I want to see that there are more properties, more residents that are affected, especially off of Broward Boulevard that are coming off of those streets that didn't get, um, didn't get the notice. Weren't, weren't given the opportunity to attend that meeting because they didn't receive the notice. So, um, I, I've said it before, I'm still in favor that we increase that radius. Um, particularly in situations where the properties, um, are, uh, are the size that they are. And so it limits the, um, the number of residents that are actually receiving the notice. Thank you. Council member Andrea. Thank you, president Horland. Just also wanted to make a Jennings disclosure. It will not affect my vote. Thank you. I just said. Council member Anderson. Quick question to council member, um, Reinstein through the chair. Um, council member Reinstein, I agree. Like we've talked about expanding the radius. So this actually is a question for attorney Ezra. Could, um, the director planning and zoning or economic development arbitrarily choose to extend when he deems appropriate beyond our code on a case by case basis? Us lawyers don't like that word arbitrary, especially in the content. Not that one either, especially in the context of, uh, land development matters. Um, the distance notification requirements should be established by code. So if they meet that, but choose to exceed that, they still don't like that. Um, I, I, I, I have an issue with your reference to arbitrary or capricious because then you have selective enforcement and everybody should be treated the same. In my opinion, I would tell you this. There are times where we have looked at the map and the, um, the applicant comes in when they're doing their neighborhood meeting that we do ask them to, uh, kind of contact other, uh, like HOAs or other associations. And, and, and they normally oblige. So there's no, uh, so we, we, we haven't had a real issue there where we've, uh, where we've asked that. But the reason. So I just want to let you know, we do that on occasion at, with regard to the community meeting, but with regard to the actual notice in the code, we, a lot of times we stick pretty close. Because doesn't the applicant pay for those notices? Yes. So that's why it's important that they know what they're getting. Right. They know what they're getting into. I didn't think of that. Yep. Okay. Um, council member Fadgen. Thank you, uh, council president. Uh, very brief. There's people here that were notified by the public sign that's posted saying that there's going to be a public hearing. So the radius is one element, but there is an opportunity for people who live in the area who, who utilize passing wherever the development's going to be, um, to be defined out. Now, I did mention in a meeting that, um, our website probably should have a better listing of these notices. So that's, uh, easier for people to sort of monitor maybe different areas of the city where these things are coming up. So I don't think necessarily think that the notifications has been a problem. I think there's many avenues that we accomplish our goal. Yeah. President Horland. I didn't tap. Can I ask a question about the notification? Yes. Was the QR code on that notification as well? The Q on the paper notification. Yes. The QR code is on there. I thought we also had it on the board as, as, as on the sign. They're on some of the new signs. I don't know that they're on all of the new signs. And I will tell you, one of the issues that we've had with people and that is that, yes. So some people have told us, you know, that's very dangerous. Why do you guys put that on there for someone to try to drive by? And, you know, so, you know. I think, didn't IT have some concerns too about the safety of the QR codes? Yes. Because one of the issues that's coming up now, and that's something that we're, we're seeing a lot more fraudulent activity surrounding zoning applications, not just this city, but cities in general. But it's a lot easier when you have a remote sign like that for someone to come up and redirect, you know, to put, to put their own QR up there and redirect you somewhere else. So we've been told that you should use the QR stuff in very limited, you know, applications. So. Thank you. All right. Seeing no more questions from Council, I'm going to jump in. I did have some questions about the traffic study. So I don't know who wants to come up and address that. I did see in the backup material that there seemed to be an agreement between Calvary and American Heritage about coordinating the pick-up and drop-off times, which would make a huge difference. But then I saw that Calvary drop-off is going to be 7.30 to 8 o'clock and pick up 2.30 to 3.00. And when I looked on American Heritage's site, they start around 7.45 and end at 3.30. So I'm not as concerned about the later part, the latter part of the day, but I'm concerned about the morning. So whomever can address that concern for me. Please. I can touch briefly, and we also have Joe, Joe Wilson over here from Calvary in case for backup. In regards to the traffic study, we did have a traffic engineer go out and do the survey that they have to do to process and everything to ensure that traffic's not going to be increasing. And essentially with that, in the morning time, it's not going to be changing. I don't have the exact numbers on my head, but we could definitely make sure that you guys get the traffic study as needed. I believe it's part of the packet, but... The traffic study was very detailed. Yes. I'm most concerned about, because you can interpret the traffic study any way you want, right? I know the numbers are the numbers, but I was most concerned that there appeared to be mention of an agreement that the times would be coordinated between the two schools, between the church and the school. That would make a big difference, because that is a very congested area with American Heritage during the school day, and now we're adding a preschool in. And so I wanted to ensure, because then it did not appear to me when I read the written times that they were indeed coordinated. So I want to ensure that that's accurate. Yes. And I believe that that is... Maybe Mr. Wilson can speak to that? Good evening, Mr. Wilson. Just identify yourself and you're aware of the rules and you're sworn in. Yeah, I am. Okay. I'm going to be talking about the school, Temple Church Inc. Mm-hmm. In terms of the coordination, we are going to have our parents come on 118th and drop off. Okay. So it should be out of the flow of traffic from American Heritage. In terms of drop off in the morning, you know, you have parents that need to get to work. Mm-hmm. So it's difficult to drop off any later than 8 o'clock or have their school start any later than 8 o'clock. I thought maybe starting earlier, but... Yeah. What we're talking about really is a preschool that is going to be between 60 and 100 kids at max. Okay. And it's an auxiliary of the church. And so these classrooms that we're adding are just replacements of current classrooms. Right. It's an outdated facility that has a lot of deferred maintenance. And so instead of repairing everything, it's like we need a new space. A lot of the additional space, I know this isn't your question, but just so you understand the context, a lot of the additional space is lobby space. Right now that lobby space is the parking lot that we block off. So the idea is we're just upgrading the facilities. So the road on 118th, that's really where the parents are going to come in. That'll be the primary drop off. And American Heritage currently doesn't park in that parking lot. So they park on the west side of the campus. That's where their students use the parking. The east side, they're not. Okay. Yeah. So... That makes a difference. Yeah. And where are we, I know you'll be working or the city will be working with Broward County about possibly getting a flashing beacon as that crosswalk? Yes. Do we know anything about that? Maybe you can speak to that. Yes. We are close to getting it recorded. And obviously our team will keep you guys updated as soon as we receive those documents. Okay. Because I think, you know, just with any increased traffic there, but even currently, with the students and or parents crossing that road, and I've done that on occasion going for events, I think that flashing beacon would be vitally important there for safety. Yeah. Of course. Thank you for the answers. Anyone else? Mrs. McCormick, Mrs. Bernardi, did you want to further comment on the site plan? Mrs. Bernardi? Mrs. McCormick? Any other comments on the... Well, I need you to come up, Mrs. Bernardi. You had signed up to speak on the site plan, so I'm asking you if you would like to comment. Because before you were speaking on the vacation of the Eastman. Yeah, don't you 6-7 me up here. It's late. Lori Bernardi, 11681 Northwest 6th Street. So he was talking about just now like up to 100 kids and all coming in on 118th Avenue, but isn't that going to like parking, not the site plan, or is that site plan stuff? So he's talking about them coming in on 118th. We all know Samir just did the traffic study on 118th. We got speed humps. The speed humps are not working because she did another traffic study, and the people are still speeding, and there's too many cars coming down there still. And now people are going to be coming in from Brower Boulevard on that... What's there, like three cars maybe are going to be on 118th waiting to turn in to get into the parking lot? So they're all going to back up onto Brower Boulevard? That doesn't make sense either. Leonard, would you like to talk about the queuing and the stacking? I don't think there's any stacking coming off of... It has to be. Yes, Leonard Donoville again. And as far as the traffic is concerned, we did analyze that. And there was a concern, as you mentioned, there's going to be a larger volume of vehicles that going on 118th into the site. But it was not that a major concern, where on the conclusion of the report, we will be analyzing that location again, but that's after once construction is done. Because per the ITE book, we couldn't really, other than them going out there and doing video capturing what's going on right now, we cannot for sure know what's going on in the future. But per the ITE book, with the numbers that they provided, it seems like there is going to be an increase, but it's not going to affect the traffic study. But this item will be revisited once the campus is built. And it's part of the traffic study. Did that satisfy your question or not? I guess we'll have to talk to Samira, too. But somebody needs to check that light, too, because that light really doesn't let too many cars go through it on a normal thing, because it's used to just the people coming out of the neighborhood, so that might have to be checked, too. I'm assuming that's something that Keith is working on, the coordination of lights, but you will? Okay. All right. I guess that's all I have for that part. Okay. I don't know where to divide them at. Well, so you got up earlier, and that was just for the vacation of the easement. These three items all have to do the site plan. They're all together. And you signed up for that. So this is the overall project. When Mr. Holmes, I think, was talking about the planning and zoning and all, does paid go into that section, too, or paid's on another section? They would have to get approval from paid. But, like, am I supposed to talk on the part about paid? About this project? Yeah. In this section or another section? What are you referring to? Because paid, it hasn't... When I was reading through everything, and Donna was reading through everything, and we were talking, that it had, like, the fire department approved it, this one approved it, that one approved it, but it never went where paid approved it. And my concern is every time something's built or added onto, we have the flooding problem. Right. So if it hasn't gone to paid, and we go to the meetings of paid, too, that I want to make sure there's more drainage. Mr. Holmes, they were contingent upon going to paid, correct? Okay. Okay. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Mrs. Bernardi. Mrs. McCormick? Donna McCormick, 1201 Northwest 114th Avenue. When we talk about public comment, the important thing is, had this gone the normal process from DRC to planning and zoning and the city council, there would have been an opportunity for additional people to be made aware, to be able to go to these meetings, to discuss this, to ask the same questions you all are asking, that we are asking, to get answers to be able to come here. I'm not opposed or in favor of this project. My concern is it's not following the normal process, so therefore you're not getting the right answers that you should receive, in my opinion, and you're going to make an opinion or decision, and then you're going to wait to see the traffic concern, and you're going to wait to see what happens, and then you're going to be required to fix it. So, my point is just, I would appreciate in the future if we would follow the prescribed process and get the community more involved. Thank you. Okay. Thank you, Mrs. McCormick. But again, to Mr. Holmes's point, that is part of the process, and we are tasked up here, while the public feedback is vitally important to us, we have to base the decision on the facts that are before us. So, taking the engineering, the traffic study, and all of that into consideration. So, I think I have Councilmember Andrea who buzzed in. Thank you. I would have preferred for this to have gone to PNC also, but I understand that Mr. Holmes was working within, you know, the confines of what he has in front of him, and I appreciate the fact that you said you do a very limited number of approvals for these. So, this is maybe the second one? I can't, yeah, I think this might be like, since my tenure here, maybe the second, third max, so I can appreciate that. My question, though, is for, and I'm sorry, I did not write your name down, for Calvary Chapel. Mr. Wilson. Mr. Wilson? Mr. Wilson, yes. Thank you. Mr. Wilson, my apologies. Did you say this will be, are these going to be child age? Like school age? Two to five year old. Yep. Preschool. Preschool. That's what I thought. Yep. So, going back, I think, to maybe some of the traffic concerns that we've heard. Usually, with preschool, it's not like Heritage or an elementary school that has an exact start time, unless you're doing something. It's going to be a pre-K, rather than, let me specify, it's a pre-kindergarten, so it'll be a pre-K-2, pre-K-3, pre-K-4. So, it's not a daycare. So, do they have exact start times? They do. Because, like, when my children were in preschool, many years ago, but, you know, you could drop them off. You had a window. Yeah. Right? A large window. So, people came, some people dropped off at 6.30, some 7.30, based on, you know, work schedules and whatever. Mm-hmm. So, do you have a window, or do you have an exact start time, like in elementary school? We do. We have four campuses across the Tri-County, and it's a curriculum. It's a curriculum, it's a two- to five-year-old curriculum, and they progress through the program to where they end up going to kindergarten. So, you do the, you have to be in school, like, at eight, or you're tardy? Yeah, you do. I mean, certainly with a three-year-old, we have a little bit more leniency. But, yeah, it's a specified start time. Okay. And just to speak and alleviate maybe the traffic concerns, you know, we have a sanctuary of 800 people that all come at the last minute to church, which is funny. And the primary entrance truly is 118th. I mean, you see a lot of traffic. So, the traffic study did really focus on that 118th to make sure. And, again, we're not increasing the size of the sanctuary. My point is to show you just how much volume that road on a Sunday will take, just comparison to what we're attempting to do. Okay. Yeah. And I have been to the service. That's why I made the Jennings Disclosure. It's been a little while since I visited you, but I have been to service and, of course, drive by there frequently. She'll come back. We think this is going to be a beautiful improvement to the plantation. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Wilson. Mayor? Comment? Question? I'm a grandpa, and I was just going to comment about how it works with preschool. So, with my kid, with my four-year-old, my four-year-old, and my two-year-old, preschool starts at 8.30. If you pay more, you can drop off at 7.00. Otherwise, you can drop between 8.00 and 8.30. And you can do the same at the end. Preschool ends at 3.00. I think Calvary's running a tighter ship. I would think you would have extended preschool and extended post-school. I would think, yeah. Okay. All right. No one else from the public? Mr. Wynn, did you? Okay. You want to speak on this one? Does this count as all of them? Yes. Joe Wynn, 944 Northwest 92nd Terrace. I honestly don't have a view for or against their site plan, that program itself. I remember back when they did the Christmas exhibit around the lake, and I thought that was pretty nice. And if that could be worked in somehow, it's always fun to have a place to go to. And honestly, personally, from the traffic perspective, I ride my bike in down fourth, so I don't have to be on Broward, and not my problem. But there are a lot of people for whom it is their regular problem. And I think this really just leaves an opportunity. An opportunity. An opportunity for, as the new design is being implemented, because schools for preschool drop-off and pick-up is literally just that. They are flowing through in both directions. If we consider the design of the area and how the driveways are shaped and how the vehicles will be moving through so that we can queue up enough of the vehicles on their property so that it doesn't extend out onto 118th and potentially block people coming and going from there, which really, I think, is all the Acres residents have a concern about. Don't let me speak for you, but I did grow up there. So, you know, from that sense, if we can just, for those periods that there is increased traffic, because we know these are not, that pretty much everybody's driving, this is not a walkable area, unless they live in the Acres, in which case they can walk there, and that's awesome. I would recommend getting a bike bus going if they want. I'd be happy to talk to them on that. But in the meantime, just the idea of being able to use the site plan that's in design to figure out how we can fit enough vehicles inside their property and where they're dropped off so that they're not being dropped off like in the middle of the property but further down so that they can, you know, be casually escorted to the classrooms, however that works. That really is the systemic approach to this rather than trying to manage, like, times and everything. That's going to be the way that gets the vehicles in and out most smoothly because then they're bunchy. It's like the drive-through conversations we've had here. It's the same thing. You want to get the vehicles onto their property and then stack there and then off of their property and moving again so that they don't disrupt people on the outside. That's really my main input here. And, look, if they make a nice place, cool. It would be a nice thing to see going by. Appreciate it. Thank you. Have a great night, guys. Thank you. All right. Councilmembers, do we have a motion on item number 25? Motion approved. Second. All right. Ms. Beggro, please call the roll. Councilmember Reinstein. Yes. Councilmember Anderson. Yes. Councilmember Andreu. Yes. Councilmember Fajan. Yes. Yes. Thank you. I'll make the motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second. Ms. Beggro, please call the roll. Councilmember Reinstein. Yes. Councilmember Anderson. Yes. Councilmember Andreu. Yes. Councilmember Fajan. Yes. Councilmember Horland. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. Moving on to board and committee appointments. I have an appointment to the unsaviors for Calvary Chapel Plantation Campus. Do I have a motion to approve? Motion to approve. Second. Thank you. Ms. Beggro, please call the roll. Who did you give the second to on that? I'll give it to Anderson. Councilmember Reinstein. Yes. Councilmember Anderson. Yes. Councilmember Andreu. Yes. Councilmember Andreu. Yes. Councilmember Fajan. Yes. Councilmember Horland. Thank you. And best of luck to you, Calvary, Mr. Wilson. Thank you. All right. Moving on to board and committee appointments. I have an appointment to the Unsaved Structures Board. It took me three tries. I finally got somebody. So my appointment is Mr. Joel Gutierrez. And he is a master electrician who has been in the business for about 24 years. So that's who I'd like to appoint. Does anybody else have? We need to vote. Pardon me? Do we need to vote on that? No. Okay. Does anyone else have any board appointments this evening? No? All right. So that's it. Moving on to comments by the Mayor. I have no comments. Wow. Okay, Mayor. Comments from Councilmembers. I'll start with Councilmember Fajan. It's National Speak really, really, really, really fast day. Five times fast day. That's all I have. Good night. Thank you. Councilmember, what? I was waiting for the official recognition, Council President. I just wanted to thank Parks and Rec for, on March 28th, there was a family bike ride. They did a great job of coordinating that bike ride and scavenger hunt. Also, to our Plantation Police Department that chaperoned and coordinated with South Plantation High School for the Kevin Neardorf Memorial Annual Bamboo Bike Ride that was one of the South Plantation High School Senior Symposium programs. And Officers Palmieri, Ventura Rivera, and Officer Pool were great and everybody really enjoyed that bike ride as well. And I had mentioned it previously, but I wanted to again recognize that we had a great showing from Team Plantation for Plantation Elementary's Career Day. And so for all the departments that contributed, there were really a lot of different individuals from different departments. And I think the kids love to love to see the representation from our city there. So thank you. Thank you. Councilmember Anderson. I'm going to take a moment of personal privilege. I was out of town, so I have not been at the Rock the Park and City events a little bit, but it was a wonderful event. We were in Cocoa Beach to celebrate my brother, Corey Anderson, who a lot of you do not know because he's lived in Melbourne for his adult career. But he's an anesthesiologist, but he never left the Air Force. He's been in reserves and part of the leadership of Patrick Air Force Base for many years. And he just completed, he's just shy of 30 years and is retiring. So we had a wonderful retirement party. Nice. Colonel Corey Anderson. That's awesome. 30 years. So all the Andersons are up there, and it was just really nice, nice thing. And what was just icing on the cake, Cocoa Beach has an air show at the same time. And the military planes take off of Patrick Air Force Base during his retirement thing. Oh, wow. And so you had all these muckety-mucks speaking about how great my brother is, and he is great. And then he gets a chance to speak, and the Blue Angels take off. And in formation, right behind him, four of them are right there, live behind him. Like, this was all for you, Corey. Pretty awesome. And then they surprised him and asked if he wanted to actually be in the air show the next day. So we all had a beach day and watched my brother fly right over us in the C-130 with the cargo doors down holding the American flag. While the two snorkels to refuel the helicopters were right behind him. Just really pretty good. So I missed the city things, but I had a once-in-a-lifetime thing for my brother. Yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. The corporate run was great. He won it? He won it again? Three years in a row. Wow. Congratulations. Yeah. It'll get easier, actually. Thank you, and congratulations to your brother. Councilmember Andrew? I will try to be fast a few things. April is Child Abuse and Neglect Prevention Month, and our Children's Services Council is leading the Broward Aware Campaign to raise awareness throughout the county. I see that, of course, our mayor and administration are also recognizing Autism Awareness Month. It's also Black Maternal Health Week this week. It's the 10th anniversary, and the theme is Rooted in Justice and Joy. And the mission is to eliminate maternal health disparities and raise awareness. Also, this ties perfectly into this Saturday. We're having a RISE Women's Empowerment Conference at Plantation Volunteer Park from 10 a.m. to 3 p.m. on Saturday. Lots of great speakers, as well as our very own Plantation Judge Jackie Powell. I believe Senator Dr. Osgood will be there and a lot of other dynamic women. So I know we have a lot going on with Earth Day and everything, but if you have an opportunity to stop by that Women's Empowerment Conference as well. And I know we have a lot, Council Member Reinstein mentioned the legal event that's taking place. But we also, I know, have a Crime Watch meeting at 7 p.m. And then we are having a ribbon cutting. I know we all got invited to. So we'll have a lot of activities on Wednesday, April 22nd. We'll try to hit all three of those if we can. And then, Chief, you didn't probably have an opportunity, but I did see you're doing a drug take-back on Saturday, April 25th. Where is that? Is that at the police station? Yes, ma'am. In the PD lobby, or right out in front. Okay. So I hope that people will not dispose of them in flushing them down the toilet and everything and come to the drug take-back event to dispose of that in the correct manner. And do you know when or do we have a date yet for the gun buy-back event? Or you're still working on that one? So I can talk to you after. Offline? Okay. Okay. So we look forward to that one. And I know it's Public Safety Communicators Week. And so we appreciate our first responders taking all of those 911 calls. We know that's not an easy job, so we thank them. And I just want to ask one last question to Mr. Noonamaker. I know we spoke about this a few weeks ago. What was the final decision of the council regarding the lunch reimbursements? We talked a lot about our schools tonight. And I don't know if the mayor was using some of his discretionary money. How did that conversation end? Y'all had allocated $1,500 as part of the budget. Right. And so we did transmit that to the foundation. We did? Yes, ma'am. Okay. Did we get any acknowledgement of that transmission? I'm sure Anna has a receipt. So did we get a thank you? No, I don't believe so. I'm sorry, just for clarity. Which foundation was it transferred to? Whichever, and I can't remember. It's the Broward Education Foundation that was going to offset the deficits that our plantation schools had. Right. I just don't remember hearing specifically which foundation. Thank you. But, okay. But we did not get anything. Not that I recall. Okay. And we could have got something that I just didn't see. But thank you for that. Okay. Thank you very much. That concludes all of my announcements. Council Member Andreu. Quickly, I just want to give a couple of shout outs. I think we all received emails from a couple of Chatham town residents really thanking us for the rezo. They were very complimentary of administration and council's willingness to assist not just them but other residents. So that really had an impact and it was nice of them to reach out to us. Also, Council Member Andreu and I were at an event on Saturday and someone overheard that we were from plantation. And this lady, Dr. Vita, walked up to us and this goes, we don't often get compliments on business tax licenses. And Dr. Vita said, I can't tell you what an amazing experience I had. We both looked at each other like, really? And they, she couldn't say enough about Para. And I know that was a new hire for us and she's doing an amazing job in there. So we, Dr. Vita lives in Tamarack and she was helping clients. So I had to let you know, we looked at each other and said, we got to bring that back. So, and then finally, council members, please put May 7th on your calendar. You're going to get an invitation. It will be my final board of directors meeting as president of the League of Cities. It went by very quickly. Traditionally, we host that in this city of plantation. That will be a plantation preserve. So I'd love for you. It's lunch. It's, it's the board of directors meeting. So we've done that in the past, but it'll be my official last meeting. And, um, you'll all get an invitation for that. The city's hosting. So 12. Yep. So I just wanted you to put on your calendars. That's right after our HCA ribbon cutting. So perfect segue. Yes, it is. So you can all join me for lunch, uh, with the city and that'll be a plantation preserve. Um, thank you every much, everybody very much. It was a great conversation, great meeting. And with that at 9 37 meetings adjourned.