the full third presidential debate between Hillary Clinton and Donald Trump

[0:00] Funding for this PBS election special is provided by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting [0:06] and viewers like you. Thank you. I know more about ISIS than the generals do believe. [0:16] I have sat at that table in the Situation Room. Nobody knows the system better than me. I alone [0:23] can fix it. I'm going to close my campaign focused on opportunities for kids and fairness for families. [0:30] Hillary failed on the economy. Everything she touched didn't work out, nothing. [0:34] JUDY WOODRUFF, Even if you're totally opposed to Donald Trump, [0:38] you may still have some questions about me. [0:40] JUDY WOODRUFF, Good evening. I'm Judy Woodruff. [0:55] Gwen Ifill is away tonight. Welcome to this PBS NewsHour special coverage of the final [1:01] presidential debate between Democrat Hillary Clinton and Republican Donald Trump. [1:06] The stage is set at the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, [1:10] at a time when the most recent polls, both national and in battleground states, [1:15] show a surge in support for Clinton, while Trump's numbers have been slipping, [1:20] especially since the release of a 2005 video where he's heard using lewd language, [1:25] boasting about being sexually aggressive. The debate moderator, Chris Wallace of Fox News, [1:31] announced ahead of time that there will be six topics tonight, not necessarily in this order, [1:37] debt and entitlements, immigration, the economy, the Supreme Court, foreign hot spots, [1:44] and fitness to be president. [1:46] To watch it all, joining me here at this table in Washington are our regular NewsHour contributors, [1:51] syndicated columnist Mark Shields, New York Times columnist David Brooks, [1:56] and Amy Walter of The Cook Political Report. [1:59] So, we're at the third one, and it will all be over after this one. David, [2:03] do you expect him to go high or low? [2:06] DAVID BROOKS, New York Times- You promise it will be over? [2:07] DAVID BROOKS, New York Times- No, I expect her to go high, him to go low. [2:12] I mean, he's behind, and so he's got to try some desperate move. [2:15] And the trick for her will be to see if she can be strong enough to rebut whatever he says, [2:19] while still projecting some sense of positivity that will attract some people to her. [2:23] My big question, though, for the country is, do we want to take a shower after this is over? [2:27] Do we feel better about our country or worse? [2:28] JUDY WOODRUFF, low or high, Mark? [2:31] MARK SHIELDS, New York Times- I think Donald Trump won the nomination, [2:35] going away and prevailed in the debates by exposing and playing to the vulnerabilities [2:42] and perceived weaknesses of his opponents. He has to have concluded after and he rattled them [2:47] and he bullied them. And he has to conclude after two debates that that hasn't worked with Hillary [2:52] Clinton. After 26 debates with Barack Obama, she's far more formidable than anybody he faced in the [2:58] Republican primaries. And I don't know. I think he's just going to throw everything today. [3:02] JUDY WOODRUFF, And that's the challenge for the third debate, too. [3:05] Your mom always told you, you never get a second chance to make a good first impression. [3:08] His first debate performance, I think, in many ways, sealed the fate of his entire candidacy. [3:14] Now, he can try to come back in this third debate and go after Hillary Clinton more aggressively, [3:20] but I don't know that that's going to make much of a difference. [3:22] Although this is what a Republican strategist told me he needs to do tonight. [3:25] He just put in all caps, EMAILS FOUNDATION FAILED RECORD, EMAILS FOUNDATION FAILED RECORD, [3:30] EMAILS FOUNDATION FAILED RECORD. That's, I think, what you're going to hear from Donald Trump. [3:33] CHRIS WALLACE, And I welcome you to the third and final of the 2016 presidential debates [3:45] between Secretary of State Hillary Clinton and Donald J. Trump. [3:49] This debate is sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. [3:53] The Commission has designed the format. Six roughly 15-minute segments with two-minute answers [3:59] to the first question, then open discussion for the rest of each segment. [4:04] Both campaigns have agreed to those rules. [4:07] For the record, I decided the topics and the questions in each topic. [4:11] None of those questions has been shared with the Commission or the two candidates. [4:16] The audience here in the hall has promised to remain silent. No cheers, boos, or other interruptions, [4:22] so we and you can focus on what the candidates have to say. [4:26] No noise, except right now, as we welcome the Democratic nominee for president, Secretary Clinton, [4:32] and the Republican nominee for president, Mr. Trump. [4:53] Secretary Clinton, Mr. Trump, welcome. Let's get right to it. [4:56] The first topic is the Supreme Court. [5:00] You both talked briefly about the court in the last debate, but I want to drill down on this, [5:05] because the next president will almost certainly have at least one appointment and likely, [5:10] or possibly, two or three appointments, which means that you will, in effect, determine the [5:16] balance of the court for what could be the next quarter century. First of all, where do you want [5:21] to see the court take the country? And secondly, what's your view on how the Constitution should be interpreted? [5:29] Do the founders' words mean what they say, or is it a living document to be applied flexibly [5:37] according to changing circumstances? In this segment, Secretary Clinton, you go first. You have two minutes. [5:42] Thank you very much, Chris, and thanks to UNLV for hosting us. [5:47] You know, I think when we talk about the Supreme Court, it really raises the central issue in this election, [5:54] namely, what kind of country are we going to be? [5:56] What kind of opportunities will we provide for our citizens? What kind of rights will Americans have? [6:03] And I feel strongly that the Supreme Court needs to stand on the side of the American people, [6:11] not on the side of the powerful corporations and the wealthy. [6:16] For me, that means that we need a Supreme Court that will stand up on behalf of women's rights, [6:24] on behalf of the rights of the LGBT community, that will stand up and say no to Citizens United, [6:31] a decision that has undermined the election system in our country because of the way it permits dark, [6:39] unaccountable money to come into our electoral system. I have major disagreements with my opponent [6:46] about these issues and others that will be before the Supreme Court. But I feel that, [6:52] at this point in our country's history, it is important that we not reverse marriage equality, [6:59] that we not reverse Roe v. Wade, that we stand up against Citizens United, we stand up for the rights [7:06] of people in the workplace, that we stand up and basically say, the Supreme Court should represent [7:13] all of us. That's how I see the Court. And the kind of people that I would be looking to nominate to [7:20] the Court would be in the great tradition of standing up to the powerful, standing up on behalf of [7:27] our rights as Americans. And I look forward to having that opportunity. I would hope that the [7:33] Senate would do its job and confirm the nominee that President Obama has sent to them. That's the way [7:40] the Constitution fundamentally should operate. The President nominates and then the Senate advises [7:46] and consents or not, but they go forward with the process. Secretary Clinton, thank you. Mr. Trump, [7:53] same question. Where do you want to see the Court take the country and how do you believe the [7:57] Constitution should be interpreted? Well, first of all, it's great to be with you and thank you, [8:03] everybody. The Supreme Court, it's what it's all about. Our country is so, so, just so imperative [8:10] that we have the right justices. Something happened recently where Justice Ginsburg made some very, [8:17] very inappropriate statements toward me and toward a tremendous number of people, many, [8:23] many millions of people that I represent. And she was forced to apologize and apologize she did. [8:29] But these were statements that should never, ever have been made. We need a Supreme Court that, [8:34] in my opinion, is going to uphold the Second Amendment and all amendments, but the Second Amendment, [8:40] which is under absolute siege. I believe if my opponent should win this race, which I truly don't [8:47] think will happen, we will have a Second Amendment, which will be a very, very small replica of what [8:54] it is right now. But I feel that it's absolutely important that we uphold because of the fact that it [9:00] is under such trauma. I feel that the justices that I am going to appoint, and I've named 20 of them, [9:10] the justices that I'm going to appoint will be pro-life. They will have a conservative bent. [9:17] They will be protecting the Second Amendment. They are great scholars in all cases, and they're people [9:22] of tremendous respect. They will interpret the Constitution the way the founders wanted it [9:30] interpreted. And I believe that's very, very important. I don't think we should have [9:35] justices appointed that decide what they want to hear. It's all about the Constitution of, [9:44] and so important, the Constitution the way it was meant to be. And those are the people that I will appoint. [9:52] Mr. Trump, thank you. We now have about 10 minutes for an open discussion. I want to [9:57] focus on two issues that, in fact, by the justices that you name, could end up changing the existing [10:06] law of the land. First is one that you mentioned, Mr. Trump, and that is guns. Secretary Clinton, [10:11] you said last year, and let me quote, the Supreme Court is wrong on the Second Amendment. And now, [10:16] in fact, in the 2008 Heller case, the court ruled that there is a constitutional right to bear arms, [10:23] but a right that is reasonably limited. Those were the words of the judge, Antonin Scalia, [10:30] who wrote the decision. What's wrong with that? [10:32] Well, first of all, I support the Second Amendment. I lived in Arkansas for 18 wonderful years. I [10:39] represented upstate New York. I understand and respect the tradition of gun ownership. It goes back [10:45] to the founding of our country. But I also believe that there can be and must be reasonable regulation. [10:52] Because I support the Second Amendment doesn't mean that I want people who shouldn't have guns [10:57] to be able to threaten you, kill you or members of your family. And so when I think about what we need [11:04] to do, we have 33,000 people a year who die from guns. I think we need comprehensive background checks, [11:12] need to close the online loophole, close the gun show loophole. There's other matters that I think are [11:19] sensible, that are the kind of reforms that would make a difference, that are not in any way [11:26] conflicting with the Second Amendment. You mentioned the Heller decision. And what I was saying [11:30] that you referenced, Chris, was that I disagreed with the way the court applied the Second Amendment [11:37] in that case. Because what the District of Columbia was trying to do was to protect toddlers from guns. [11:45] And so they wanted people with guns to safely store them. And the court didn't accept that reasonable [11:52] regulation. But they've accepted many others. So I see no conflict between saving people's lives [11:57] and defending the Second Amendment. Let me bring Mr. Trump in here. The bipartisan open [12:03] debate coalition got millions of votes on questions to ask here. And this [12:08] was, in fact, one of the top questions that they got. How will you ensure the Second Amendment is [12:15] protected? You just heard Secretary Clinton's answer. Does she persuade you that, while you may [12:20] disagree on regulation, that, in fact, she supports a Second Amendment right to bear arms? [12:25] Well, the D.C. versus Heller decision was very strongly, and she was extremely angry about it. I watched. [12:32] I mean, she was very, very angry when upheld. And Justice Scalia was so involved. And it was a [12:39] well-crafted decision. But Hillary was extremely upset, extremely angry. And people that believe in [12:45] the Second Amendment and believe in it very strongly were very upset with what she had to say. [12:50] Well, let me bring in Secretary Clinton. Were you extremely upset? [12:53] Well, I was upset because, unfortunately, dozens of toddlers [12:58] people who have loaded guns in their homes take appropriate precautions. But there's no doubt [13:11] that I respect the Second Amendment, that I also believe there's an individual right to bear arms. [13:17] That is not in conflict with sensible, common-sense regulation. And, you know, look, [13:23] I understand that Donald's been strongly supported by the NRA. The gun lobby's on his side. They're [13:30] running millions of dollars of ads against me. And I regret that. Because what I would like to see [13:35] is for people to come together and say, of course we're going to protect and defend the Second Amendment. [13:41] But we're going to do it in a way that tries to save some of these 33,000 lives that we lose every year. [13:48] Let me bring Mr. Trump back into that. Because, in fact, you oppose any limits on assault weapons, [13:55] any limits on high-capacity magazines. You support a national right-to-carry law. Why, sir? [14:01] Well, let me just tell you, before we go any further, in Chicago, which has the toughest gun laws [14:07] in the United States, probably you could say by far, they have more gun violence than any other city. [14:13] So we have the toughest laws and you have tremendous gun violence. I am a very strong [14:19] supporter of the Second Amendment. And I am. I don't know if Hillary was saying it in a sarcastic [14:24] manner, but I'm very proud to have the endorsement of the NRA. And it's the earliest endorsement they've [14:29] ever given to anybody who ran for president. So I'm very honored by all of that. We are going to appoint [14:36] justices. This is the best way to help the Second Amendment. We are going to appoint justices [14:42] that will feel very strongly about the Second Amendment, that will not do damage to the Second [14:47] Amendment. Well, let's pick up on another issue which divides you and the justices that whoever [14:55] ends up winning this election appoints could have a dramatic effect there. And that's the issue of [15:00] abortion. Mr. Trump, you're pro-life. But I want to ask you specifically, do you want the court, [15:06] including the justices that you will name, to overturn Roe v. Wade, which includes, in fact, [15:13] states, a woman's right to abortion? Well, if that would happen, because I am pro-life and I will be [15:18] appointing pro-life judges, I would think that that will go back to the individual states. [15:22] But I'm asking you specifically, would you like to... If they overturned it, it'll go back to the [15:26] states. But what I'm asking you, sir, is do you want to see the court overturned? You've just said you [15:31] want to see the court protect the Second Amendment. Do you want to see the court overturn Roe v. Wade? [15:36] Well, if we put another two or perhaps three justices on, that's really what's going to be... [15:41] That will happen. And that'll happen automatically, in my opinion, because I am putting pro-life [15:47] justices on the court. I will say this, it will go back to the states, and the states will then make [15:52] a determination. Secretary Clinton. Well, I strongly support Roe v. Wade, which guarantees [15:58] a constitutional right to a woman to make the most intimate, most difficult, in many cases, [16:05] decisions about her health care that one can imagine. And in this case, it's not only about [16:10] Roe v. Wade. It is about what's happening right now in America. So many states are putting very [16:19] stringent regulations on women that block them from exercising that choice, to the extent that [16:26] they are defunding Planned Parenthood, which, of course, provides all kinds of cancer screenings [16:31] and other benefits for women in our country. Donald has said he's in favor of defunding [16:37] Planned Parenthood. He even supported shutting the government down to defund Planned Parenthood. [16:43] I will defend Planned Parenthood. I will defend Roe v. Wade, and I will defend women's rights to make [16:50] their own health care decisions. Secretary Clinton. And we have come too far to have that turn back [16:56] now. And indeed, he said women should be punished, that there should be some form of punishment for [17:02] women who obtain abortions. And I could just not be more opposed to that kind of thinking. [17:08] I'm going to give you a chance to respond. But I want to ask you, Secretary Clinton, I want to explore [17:12] how far you believe the right to abortion goes. You have been quoted as saying that the fetus has no [17:18] constitutional rights. You also voted against a ban on late-term partial birth abortions. Why? [17:28] Because Roe v. Wade very clearly sets out that there can be regulations on abortion so long as the [17:37] life and the health of the mother are taken into account. And when I voted as a senator, I did not [17:45] think that that was the case. The kinds of cases that fall at the end of pregnancy are often the [17:52] most heartbreaking, painful decisions for families to make. I have met with women who, toward the end [17:59] of their pregnancy, get the worst news one could get that their health is in jeopardy if they continue [18:06] to carry to term or that something terrible has happened or just been discovered about the pregnancy. [18:13] I do not think the United States government should be stepping in and making those most personal of [18:19] decisions. So you can regulate if you are doing so with the life and the health of the mother taken [18:27] into account. Mr. Trump, your reaction, and particularly on this issue of late-term partial birth? [18:31] Well, I think it's terrible if you go with what Hillary is saying. In the ninth month, [18:36] you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb of the mother just prior to the birth of the [18:44] baby. Now, you can say that that's okay, and Hillary can say that that's okay, but it's not okay with me, [18:52] because based on what she's saying and based on where she's going and where she's been, [18:57] you can take the baby and rip the baby out of the womb in the ninth month on the final day. [19:03] And that's not acceptable. Well, that is not what happens in these cases. And using that kind of [19:10] scare rhetoric is just terribly unfortunate. You should meet with some of the women that I've met [19:15] with, women I've known over the course of my life. This is one of the worst possible choices that any [19:23] woman and her family has to make. And I do not believe the government should be making it. You know, [19:28] I've had the great honor of traveling across the world on behalf of our country. I've been to [19:33] countries where governments either forced women to have abortions like they used to do in China, [19:38] or forced women to bear children like they used to do in Romania. And I can tell you, [19:43] the government has no business in the decisions that women make with their families in accordance [19:49] with their faith, with medical advice. And I will stand up for that right. [19:54] All right. But just briefly, I want to move on to another segment. [19:57] And honestly, nobody has business doing what I just said, doing that as late as one or two or [20:04] three or four days prior to birth. Nobody has that. [20:07] All right. Let's move on to the subject of immigration. And there is almost no issue that [20:12] separates the two of you more than the issue of immigration. Actually, there are a lot of issues [20:16] that separate the two of you. Mr. Trump, you want to build a wall. Secretary Clinton, [20:21] you have offered no specific plan for how you want to secure our southern border. [20:26] Mr. Trump, you are calling for major deportations. Secretary Clinton, you say that within your first [20:31] hundred days as president, you're going to offer a package that includes a pathway to citizenship. [20:38] The question really is, why are you right and your opponent wrong? [20:42] Mr. Trump, you go first in this segment. You have two minutes. [20:44] Well, first of all, she wants to give amnesty, which is a disaster and very unfair to all of the [20:48] people that are waiting in line for many, many years. We need strong borders. [20:52] In the audience tonight, we have four mothers of, I mean, these are unbelievable people that [20:59] I've gotten to know over a period of years whose children have been killed, brutally killed, by [21:03] people that came into the country illegally. You have thousands of mothers and fathers and relatives [21:09] all over the country. They're coming in illegally. Drugs are pouring in through the border. We have no [21:14] country if we have no border. Hillary wants to give amnesty. She wants to have open borders. [21:20] The border secure, as you know, the border patrol agents, 16,500-plus ICE last week endorsed me. [21:26] First time they've ever endorsed a candidate. It means their job is tougher. But they know what's [21:32] going on. They know it better than anybody. They want strong borders. They feel we have to have [21:37] strong borders. I was up in New Hampshire the other day. The biggest complaint they have, [21:41] it's with all of the problems going on in the world, many of the problems caused by Hillary [21:45] Clinton and by Barack Obama, all of the problems, their single biggest problem is heroin that pours [21:51] across our southern borders, just pouring and destroying their youth. It's poisoning the blood [21:56] of their youth and plenty of other people. We have to have strong borders. We have to keep the drugs out [22:03] of our country. We are, right now, we're getting the drugs. They're getting the cash. We need strong [22:08] borders. We need absolute, we cannot give amnesty. Now, I want to build the wall. We need the wall. [22:15] The Border Patrol, ICE, they all want the wall. We stop the drugs. We shore up the border. One of my [22:22] first acts will be to get all of the drug lords, all of the bad ones. We have some bad, bad people [22:27] in this country that have to go out. We're going to get them out. We're going to secure the border. [22:32] And once the border is secured, at a later date, we'll make a determination as to the rest. [22:37] But we have some bad hombres here, and we're going to get them out. [22:41] Mr. Trump, thank you. Same question to you, Secretary Clinton. [22:44] Basically, why are you right? Mr. Trump is wrong. [22:47] Well, as he was talking, I was thinking about a young girl I met here in Las Vegas, Carla, [22:54] who was very worried that her parents might be deported because she was born in this country, [23:00] but they were not. They work hard. They do everything they can to give her a good life. [23:05] And you're right. I don't want to rip families apart. I don't want to be sending parents away [23:11] from children. I don't want to see the deportation force that Donald has talked about in action in [23:19] our country. We have 11 million undocumented people. They have 4 million American citizen [23:24] children, 15 million people. He said as recently as a few weeks ago in Phoenix that every undocumented [23:31] person would be subject to deportation. Now, here's what that means. It means you would have to have [23:36] a massive law enforcement presence, where law enforcement officers would be going school to [23:43] school, home to home, business to business, rounding up people who are undocumented. [23:49] And we would then have to put them on trains, on buses to get them out of our country. [23:55] I think that is an idea that is not in keeping with who we are as a nation. I think it's an idea [24:02] that would rip our country apart. I have been for border security for years. I voted for border [24:09] security in the United States Senate. And my comprehensive immigration reform plan, of course, [24:14] includes border security. But I want to put our resources where I think they're most needed, [24:20] getting rid of any violent person, anybody who should be deported. We should deport them. [24:27] When it comes to the wall that Donald talks about building, he went to Mexico. We had a meeting with [24:32] the Mexican president. Didn't even raise it. He choked. And then got into a Twitter war because the [24:37] Mexican president said, we're not paying for that wall. So I think we are both a nation of immigrants [24:43] and we are a nation of laws and that we can act accordingly. And that's why I'm introducing [24:49] comprehensive immigration reform within the first hundred days with a path to citizenship. [24:54] Thank you, Secretary Clinton. I want to follow up. [24:56] I think I should respond to that. First of all, I had a very good meeting with the [25:01] president of Mexico. Very nice man. We will be doing very much better with Mexico on trade deals, [25:07] believe me. The NAFTA deal signed by her husband is one of the worst deals ever made of any kind, [25:12] signed by anybody. It's a disaster. Hillary Clinton wanted the wall. Hillary Clinton [25:18] fought for the wall in 2006 or thereabouts. Now, she never gets anything done. So naturally, [25:26] the wall wasn't built. But Hillary Clinton wanted the wall. [25:30] Well, let me... [25:30] We are a country of laws. [25:32] Let me... [25:33] And by the way... [25:34] No, wait. I'd like to hear from... [25:35] Well, but she said one thing. [25:36] I'd like to hear from Secretary Clinton. [25:38] I voted for border security and there are... [25:41] And the wall. [25:42] There are some limited places where that was appropriate. There also is necessarily going to [25:47] be new technology and how best to deploy that. But it is clear, when you look at what Donald has [25:54] been proposing, he started his campaign bashing immigrants, calling Mexican immigrants rapists and [26:00] criminals and drug dealers, that he has a very different view about what we should do to deal with [26:07] immigrants. Now, what I am also arguing is that bringing undocumented immigrants out from the shadows, [26:15] putting them into the formal economy, will be good, because then employers can't exploit them [26:20] and undercut Americans' wages. And Donald knows a lot about this. He used undocumented labor to build [26:26] the Trump Tower. He underpaid undocumented workers. And when they complained, he basically said what a lot [26:32] of employers do. You complain, I'll get you deported. I want to get everybody out of the shadows, get the [26:38] economy working, and not let employers like Donald exploit undocumented workers, which hurts them, [26:44] but also hurts American workers. Mr. Trump. President Obama has moved millions of people out. [26:49] Nobody knows about it. Nobody talks about it. But under Obama, millions of people have been moved out of [26:54] this country. They've been deported. She doesn't want to say that, but that's what's happened. And that's what's happened big [26:59] league. As far as moving these people out and moving, we either have a country or we don't. We're [27:06] a country of laws. We either have a border or we don't. Now, you can come back in and you can become [27:11] a citizen. But it's very unfair. We have millions of people that did it the right way. They're online. [27:16] They're waiting. We're going to speed up the process, big league, because it's very inefficient. [27:21] But they're online and they're waiting to become citizens. Very unfair that somebody runs across the [27:26] border, becomes a citizen. Under her plan, you have open borders. You would have a disaster on trade, [27:31] and you will have a disaster with your open borders. But what she doesn't say is that President Obama [27:37] has deported millions and millions of people just the way it is. Secretary Clinton, I want to... [27:42] We will not have open borders. That is a rank mischaracterization. [27:47] That's what you call it. We will have secure borders, but we will also have reform. And this [27:52] used to be a bipartisan issue. Ronald Reagan was the last president to sign immigration reform, [27:58] and George W. Bush supported it as well. Secretary Clinton, I want to clear up your [28:02] position on this issue, because in a speech you gave to a Brazilian bank for which you were paid [28:07] $225,000, we've learned from the WikiLeaks that you said this, and I want to quote, [28:13] my dream is a hemispheric common market with open trade and open borders. So that's the question. [28:20] That's the question. Please quiet everybody. Is that your dream, open borders? [28:26] Well, if you went on to read the rest of the sentence, I was talking about energy. You know, [28:32] we trade more energy with our neighbors than we trade with the rest of the world combined. And I do want [28:38] us to have an electric grid, an energy system that crosses borders. I think that will be a great benefit [28:46] to us. But you are very clearly quoting from WikiLeaks. And what's really important about WikiLeaks [28:53] is that the Russian government has engaged in espionage against Americans. They have hacked [29:01] American websites, American accounts of private people, of institutions. Then they have given that [29:09] information to WikiLeaks for the purpose of putting it on the internet. This has come from the highest [29:17] levels of the Russian government, clearly from Putin himself, in an effort, as 17 of our intelligence [29:23] agencies have confirmed, to influence our election. So I actually think the most important question of [29:30] this evening, Chris, is, finally, will Donald Trump admit and condemn that the Russians are doing this [29:38] and make it clear that he will not have the help of Putin in this election, that he rejects Russian [29:47] espionage against Americans, which he actually encouraged in the past? Those are the questions [29:53] we need answered. We've never had anything like this happen in any of our elections before. [29:57] That was a great pivot off the fact that she wants open borders. Okay? How did we get on to Putin? [30:03] Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Wait. Hold on, folks. Because this is going to end up getting out of [30:08] control. Let's try to keep it quiet. So for the candidates and for the American people. So just [30:13] to finish on the borders. Yes. She wants open borders. People are going to pour into our country. [30:19] People are going to come in from Syria. She wants 550 percent more people than Barack Obama. And he has [30:26] thousands and thousands of people. They have no idea where they come from. And you see, we are going [30:31] to stop radical Islamic terrorism in this country. She won't even mention the words and neither will [30:37] President Obama. So I just want to tell you, she wants open borders. Now we can talk about Putin. [30:42] I don't know Putin. He said nice things about me. If we got along well, that would be good. If Russia [30:49] and the United States got along well and went after ISIS, that would be good. He has no respect for her. [30:55] He has no respect for our president. And I'll tell you what, we're in very serious trouble [31:00] because we have a country with tremendous numbers of nuclear warheads, 1,800, by the way, [31:07] where they expanded and we didn't. 1,800 nuclear warheads. And she's playing chicken. [31:13] Look, Putin, from everything I see, has no respect for this person. [31:20] Well, that's because he'd rather have a puppet as president of the United States. [31:24] No puppet. No puppet. [31:25] And it's pretty clear. [31:26] You're the puppet. [31:27] It's pretty clear you won't admit that the Russians have engaged in cyber attacks [31:31] against the United States of America, that you encouraged espionage against our people, [31:39] that you are willing to spout the Putin line, sign up for his wish list, break up NATO, [31:45] do whatever he wants to do, and that you continue to get help from him because he [31:53] has a very clear favorite in this race. So I think that this is such an unprecedented situation. [32:00] We've never had a foreign government trying to interfere in our election. We have 17, [32:07] 17 intelligence agencies, civilian and military, who have all concluded that these espionage [32:15] attacks, these cyber attacks, come from the highest levels of the Kremlin, [32:19] and they are designed to influence our election. I find that deeply disturbing. [32:24] Secretary Clinton, she has no idea whether it's Russia, China, or anybody else. [32:29] I am not quoting myself. She has no idea. [32:31] I am quoting 17, 17 intelligence, do you doubt? 17, [32:36] Our country has no idea. [32:38] ...military and civilian agencies. Well, he'd rather believe Vladimir Putin than the military and [32:44] civilian intelligence professionals who are sworn to protect us. I find that just absolutely right. [32:50] She doesn't like Putin because Putin has outsmarted her at every step of the way. [32:55] Mr. Trump, I... Excuse me. [32:56] Mr. Trump, I... [32:57] Putin has outsmarted her in Syria. He's outsmarted her every step of the way. [33:00] He's outsmarted her every step of the way. I do get to ask some questions. [33:03] Yes, that's fine. And I would like to ask you this [33:05] direct question. The top national security officials of this country do believe that Russia has [33:11] been behind these hacks. Even if you don't know for sure whether they are, do you condemn [33:17] any interference by Russia in the American election? [33:20] By Russia or anybody else? [33:22] You condemn their interference? [33:24] Of course I condemn. Of course I can. I don't know Putin. [33:26] I have no idea. I'm asking you that. [33:28] I never met Putin. This is not my best friend. But if the United States got along with Russia, [33:33] wouldn't be so bad. Let me tell you, Putin has outsmarted her and Obama at every single step of [33:39] the way, whether it's Syria, you name it, missiles. Take a look at the startup that they signed. [33:47] The Russians have said, according to many, many reports, I can't believe they allowed us to do [33:53] this. They create warheads and we can't. The Russians can't believe it. She has been outsmarted [33:59] by Putin. And all you have to do is look at the Middle East. They've taken over. We've spent six [34:03] trillion dollars. They've taken over the Middle East. She has been outsmarted and outplayed worse than [34:09] anybody I've ever seen in any government whatsoever. We're a long way away from immigration, [34:14] but I'm going to let you finish this topic. You've got about 45 seconds. And she always [34:20] will be. I find it ironic that he's raising nuclear weapons. This is a person who has been [34:27] very cavalier, even casual, about the use of nuclear weapons. He's advocated more countries getting them, [34:33] Japan, Korea, even Saudi Arabia. He said, well, if we have them, why don't we use them, [34:39] which I think is terrifying. But here's the deal. The bottom line on nuclear weapons is [34:44] that when the president gives the order, it must be followed. There's about four minutes between [34:51] the order being given and the people responsible for launching nuclear weapons to do so. [34:57] And that's why 10 people who have had that awesome responsibility have come out [35:03] in an unprecedented way said they would not trust Donald Trump with the nuclear codes or to have [35:09] his finger on the nuclear button. I have 200 generals and admirals, 21 endorsing me, 21 Congressional [35:18] Medal of Honor recipients. As far as Japan and other countries, we are being ripped off by everybody. [35:26] in the world. We're defending other countries. We are spending a fortune doing it. They have the [35:31] bargain of the century. All I said is we have to renegotiate these agreements because our country [35:36] cannot afford to defend Saudi Arabia, Japan, Germany, South Korea, and many other places. [35:42] We cannot continue to afford. She took that as saying nuclear weapons. Look, [35:48] she's been proven to be a liar on so many different ways. This is just another lie. [35:54] Well, I'm just quoting you. When you were asked about a potential nuclear competition in Asia, [36:04] you said, you know, go ahead, enjoy yourselves, folks. That kind of language. [36:08] And defend yourselves. And defend yourselves. I didn't say nuclear. And defend yourself. [36:14] The United States has kept the peace through our alliances. Donald wants to tear up our alliances. [36:21] I think it makes the world safer. And frankly, it makes the United States safer. I would work with [36:25] our allies in Asia, in Europe, in the Middle East, and elsewhere. That's the only way we're going to [36:31] be able to keep the peace. We are going to move on to the next topic, [36:35] which is the economy. And I hope we handle that as well as we did immigration. [36:39] You also have very different ideas about how to get the economy growing faster. Secretary Clinton, [36:47] in your plan, government plays a big role. You see more government spending, more entitlements, [36:55] more tax credits, more tax penalties. Mr. Trump, you want to get government out with lower taxes [37:01] and less regulation. We're going to drill down into this a little bit more. But in this overview, [37:05] please explain to me why you believe that your plan will create more jobs and growth for this [37:11] country and your opponent's plan will not. In this round, you go for a secretary Clinton. [37:16] Well, I think when the middle class thrives, America thrives. And so my plan is based on growing [37:22] the economy, giving middle class families many more opportunities. I want us to have the biggest [37:28] jobs program since World War II, jobs in infrastructure and advanced manufacturing. I think we can [37:34] compete with high wage countries. And I believe we should. New jobs and clean energy, not only to [37:40] fight climate change, which is a serious problem, but to create new opportunities and new businesses. [37:46] I want us to do more to help small business. That's where two thirds of the new jobs are going to come [37:50] from. I want us to raise the national minimum wage because people who live in poverty should not, [37:57] who work full time, should not still be in poverty. And I sure do want to make sure women get equal [38:01] pay for the work we do. I feel strongly that we have to have an education system that starts with [38:07] preschool and goes through college. That's why I want more technical education in high schools and [38:12] in community colleges, real apprenticeships to prepare young people for the jobs of the future. [38:17] I want to make college debt-free and for families making less than $125,000. You will not get a tuition [38:24] bill from a public college or university if the plan that I worked on with Bernie Sanders is enacted. [38:31] And we're going to work hard to make sure that it is because we are going to go where the money is. [38:36] Most of the gains in the last years since the Great Recession have gone to the very top. [38:42] So we are going to have the wealthy pay their fair share. We're going to have corporations make a [38:48] contribution greater than they are now to our country. That is a plan that has been analyzed by [38:53] independent experts, which said that it could produce 10 million new jobs. By contrast, [38:59] Donald's plan has been analyzed to conclude it might lose 3.5 million jobs. Why? Because [39:05] his whole plan is to cut taxes, to give the biggest tax breaks ever to the wealthy and to corporations, [39:13] adding $20 trillion to our debt and causing the kind of dislocation that we have seen before, [39:20] because it truly will be trickle-down economics on steroids. So the plan I have, I think, [39:25] will actually produce greater opportunities. The plan he has will cost us jobs and possibly [39:31] lead to another great recession. Secretary, thank you. Mr. Trump, why [39:35] will your plan create more jobs and growth than Secretary Clinton? [39:39] Well, first of all, before I start on my plan, her plan is going to raise taxes and even double your taxes. [39:44] Her tax plan is a disaster. And she can say all she wants about college tuition. And I'm a big proponent. [39:51] We're going to do a lot of things for college tuition. But the rest of the public is going to be paying for it. [39:55] We will have a massive, massive tax increase under Hillary Clinton's plan. [40:00] But I'd like to start off where we left, because when I said Japan and Germany, and I'm not to single [40:08] them out, but South Korea, these are very rich, powerful countries. Saudi Arabia, nothing but money. [40:14] We protect Saudi Arabia. Why aren't they paying? She immediately, when she heard this, I questioned it. [40:20] And I questioned NATO. Why aren't the NATO questioned? Why aren't they paying? Because [40:23] they weren't paying. Since I did this, this was a year ago, all of a sudden, they're paying. And [40:28] I've been given a lot of credit for it. All of a sudden, they're starting to pay up. They have to [40:32] pay up. We're protecting people. They have to pay up. And I'm a big fan of NATO, but they have to pay up. [40:37] She comes out and said, we love our allies. We think our allies are great. Well, it's awfully hard to get [40:43] them to pay up when you have somebody saying, we think how great they are. We have to tell Japan in a very [40:48] nice way. We have to tell Germany, all of these countries, South Korea, we have to say, you have [40:54] to help us out. We have, during his regime, during President Obama's regime, we've doubled [41:01] our national debt. We're up to $20 trillion. So my plan, we're going to renegotiate trade deals. [41:07] We're going to have a lot of free trade. We're going to have free trade, more free trade than we [41:09] have right now. But we have horrible deals. Our jobs are being taken out by the deal that her husband [41:14] signed, NAFTA, one of the worst deals ever. Our jobs are being sucked out of our economy. [41:19] You look at all of the places that I just left. You go to Pennsylvania. You go to Ohio. [41:24] You go to Florida. You go to any of them. You go upstate New York. Our jobs have fled to Mexico [41:29] and other places. We're bringing our jobs back. I am going to renegotiate NAFTA. And if I can't make a [41:34] great deal, then we're going to terminate NAFTA and we're going to create new deals. We're going to have trade. [41:39] But we're going to terminate it. We're going to make a great trade deal. And if we can't, [41:44] we're going to do it. We're going to go a separate way, because it has been a disaster. [41:48] We are going to cut taxes massively. We're going to cut business taxes massively. They're going to [41:53] start hiring people. We're going to bring the $2.5 trillion that's offshore back into the country. [41:58] We are going to start the engine rolling again, because right now, our country is dying at 1% GDP. [42:05] JUDY WOODRUFF, Well, let me translate that, if I can, Chris, because the fact is, [42:11] he's going to advocate for the largest tax cuts we have ever seen, three times more than the tax [42:18] cuts under the Bush administration. I have said repeatedly throughout this campaign, [42:23] I will not raise taxes on anyone making $250,000 or less. I also will not add a penny to the debt. [42:32] I have costed out what I'm going to do. He will, through his massive tax cuts, [42:37] add $20 trillion to the debt. Well, he mentioned the debt. We know how to get control of the debt. [42:42] When my husband was president, we went from a $300 billion deficit to a $200 billion surplus, [42:48] and we were actually on the path to eliminating the national debt. When President Obama came into [42:54] office, he inherited the worst economic disaster since the Great Depression. He has cut the deficit by [43:00] two-thirds. So yes, one of the ways you go after the debt, one of the ways you create jobs is by [43:06] investing in people. So I do have investments, investments in new jobs, investments in education, [43:13] skill training, and the opportunities for people to get ahead and stay ahead. That's the kind of [43:19] approach that will work. Cutting taxes on the wealthy, we've tried that. It has not worked the way [43:26] that it has been promised. Secretary Clinton, I want to pursue your plan, [43:30] because in many ways it is similar to the Obama stimulus plan in 2009, [43:37] which has led to the slowest GDP growth since 1949. Correct. [43:42] Thank you, sir. You told me in July when we spoke that the problem is that President Obama didn't get [43:50] to do enough in what he was trying to do with his stimulus. So is your plan basically more, [43:56] even more of the Obama stimulus? Well, it's a combination, Chris. And let me say that [44:02] when you inherit the level of economic catastrophe that President Obama inherited, [44:10] it was a real touch-and-go situation. I was in the Senate before I became Secretary of State. I've never [44:16] seen people as physically distraught as the Bush administration team was because of what was [44:24] happening to the economy. I personally believe that the steps that President Obama took saved the [44:31] economy. He doesn't get the credit he deserves for taking some very hard positions. But it was a [44:38] terrible recession. So now we've dug ourselves out of it. We're standing, but we're not yet running. [44:44] So what I am proposing is that we invest from the middle out and the ground up, [44:50] not the top down. That is not going to work. That's why what I have put forward doesn't add [44:56] a penny to the debt, but it is the kind of approach that will enable more people to take those new jobs, [45:03] higher-paying jobs. We're beginning to see some increase in incomes, and we certainly have had [45:09] a long string of increasing jobs. We've got to do more to get the whole economy moving, [45:15] and that's what I believe I will be able to do. Mr. Trump, even conservative economists who have [45:21] looked at your plan say that the numbers don't add up, that your idea, and you've talked about 25 [45:27] million jobs created, 4 percent... Over a 10-year period. ...growth is unrealistic. [45:32] And they say you talk a lot about growing the energy industry. They say with oil prices, [45:38] as low as they are right now, that's unrealistic as well. Your response? [45:42] So I just left some high representatives of India. They're growing at 8 percent. China is growing at [45:49] 7 percent, and that for them is a catastrophically low number. We are growing. Our last report came out, [45:56] and it's right around the 1 percent level, and I think it's going down. Last week, as you know, [46:02] at the end of last week, they came out with an anemic jobs report, a terrible jobs report. In fact, [46:07] I said, is that the last jobs report before the election? Because if it is, I should win easily. [46:13] It was so bad. The report was so bad. Look, our country is stagnant. We've lost our jobs. We've [46:21] lost our businesses. We're not making things anymore, relatively speaking. Our product is pouring in from [46:28] China, pouring in from Vietnam, pouring in from all over the world. [46:31] I've visited so many communities. This has been such an incredible education for me, Chris. [46:36] I've gotten to know so many. I've developed so many friends over the last year, and they cry [46:42] when they see what's happened. I passed factories that were thriving 20, 25 years ago, and because of [46:47] the bill that her husband signed and she blessed 100 percent, it is just horrible what's happened to [46:53] these people in these communities. Now, she can say that her husband did well, but boy, did they suffer [46:58] as NAFTA kicked in, because it didn't really kick in very much, but it kicked in after they left. [47:04] Boy, did they suffer. That was one of the worst things that's ever been signed by our country. [47:09] Now she wants to sign Trans-Pacific Partnership, and she wants it. She lied when she said she didn't [47:14] call it the gold standard in one of the debates. She totally lied. She did call it the gold standard, [47:18] and they actually fact-checked, and they said I was right. I was so honored. [47:22] I want to give you a chance to briefly speak to that, and then I want to [47:25] pivot to one-sixth of the economy, which is Obamacare, but go ahead. Briefly. [47:30] First, let me say, number one, when I saw the final agreement for TPP, I said I was against it. [47:37] It didn't meet my tests. I've had the same tests. Does it create jobs, raise incomes, and further our [47:42] national security? I'm against it now. I'll be against it after the election. I'll be against it when I'm [47:46] president. There's only one of us on this stage who's actually shipped jobs to Mexico, because [47:51] that's Donald. He's shipped jobs to 12 countries, including Mexico. But he mentioned China. [47:56] And, you know, one of the biggest problems we have with China is the illegal dumping of steel [48:01] and aluminum into our markets. I have fought against that as a senator. I've stood up against it as [48:07] secretary of state. Donald has bought Chinese steel and aluminum. In fact, the Trump Hotel right [48:13] here in Las Vegas was made with Chinese steel. So he goes around with crocodile tears about how [48:18] terrible it is. But he has given jobs to Chinese steel workers, not American steel workers. [48:23] Mr. Trump? [48:23] That's the kind of approach that is just not going to work. We're going to pull the country [48:28] together. We're going to have trade agreements that we enforce. That's why I'm going to have [48:32] a trade prosecutor for the first time in history. And we're going to enforce those agreements. [48:37] And we're going to look for businesses to help us by buying American products. [48:42] I ask a simple question. She's been doing this for 30 years. [48:46] Why the hell didn't you do it over the last 15, 20 years? You were very much involved. Excuse me. [48:53] My turn. You were very much involved in every aspect of this country. Very much. [48:59] And you do have experience. I'd say the one thing you have over me is experience, [49:02] but it's bad experience, because what you've done has turned out badly. [49:06] For 30 years, you've been in a position to help. And if you say that I use steel or I use something [49:11] else, I make it impossible for me to do that. I wouldn't mind. The problem is you talk, but you [49:17] don't get anything done, Hillary. You don't. Just like when you ran the State Department, [49:22] $6 billion was missing. How do you miss $6 billion? You ran the State Department, $6 billion was either [49:30] stolen. They don't know. It's gone. $6 billion. If you become president, this country is going to be [49:39] in some mess. Believe me. Well, first of all, what he just said about the State Department is [49:45] not only untrue, it's been debunked numerous times. But I think it's really an important issue. He raised [49:52] the 30 years of experience. So let me just talk briefly about that. You know, back in the 1970s, [49:58] I worked for the Children's Defense Fund, and I was taking on discrimination against African-American [50:04] kids in schools. He was getting sued by the Justice Department for racial discrimination [50:09] in his apartment buildings. In the 1980s, I was working to reform the schools in Arkansas. [50:15] He was borrowing $14 million from his father to start his businesses. In the 1990s, I went to Beijing, [50:22] and I said, women's rights are human rights. He insulted a former Miss Universe, Alicia Machado, [50:27] called her an eating machine. And on the day when I was in the Situation Room, [50:33] monitoring the raid that brought Osama bin Laden to justice, he was hosting the Celebrity Apprentice. [50:39] So I'm happy to compare my 30 years of experience, what I've done for this country, [50:45] trying to help in every way I could, especially kids and families, get ahead and stay ahead, [50:50] with your 30 years. And I'll let the American people make that decision. [50:54] GOV. GOV. GOV. GOV. GOV. GOV. Well, I think I did a much better job. I built a massive company, [50:57] a great company, some of the greatest assets anywhere in the world, worth many, many billions [51:02] of dollars. I started with a $1 million loan. I agree with that. It's a $1 million loan. But I built [51:08] a phenomenal company. And if we could run our country the way I've run my company, [51:15] we would have a country that you would be so proud of, you would even be proud of it. And frankly, [51:20] when you look at her real record, take a look at Syria, take a look at the migration, take a look [51:27] at Libya, take a look at Iraq. She gave us ISIS because her and Obama created this huge vacuum. [51:34] And a small group came out of that huge vacuum because when they, we should have never been in [51:38] Iraq. But once we were there, we should have never got out the way they wanted to get out. [51:43] She gave us ISIS, assures you are sitting there. And what happened is now ISIS is in 32 countries. [51:49] And now I listen how she's going to get rid of ISIS. She's going to get rid of nobody. [51:54] All right. We are going to get to foreign hotspots in a few moments. But the next segment is fitness [52:01] to be president of the United States. Mr. Trump, at the last debate, you said your talk about [52:07] grabbing women was just that talk and that you'd never actually done it. And since then, as we all [52:14] know, nine women have come forward and said that you either groped them or kissed them without their [52:21] consent. Why would so many different women from so many different circumstances over so many [52:28] different years, why would they all in this last couple of weeks make up, you deny this, why would [52:34] they all make up these stories? And since this is a question for both of you, Secretary Clinton, [52:40] Mr. Trump says what your husband did and that you defended was even worse. Mr. Trump, you go first. [52:46] Well, first of all, those stories have been largely debunked. Those people, I don't know those people. [52:52] I have a feeling how they came. I believe it was her campaign that did it. Just like [52:56] if you look at what came out today on the clips, where I was wondering what happened with my rally in [53:03] Chicago and other rallies where we had such violence. She's the one in Obama that caused the violence. [53:09] They hired people. They paid them $1,500. And they're on tape saying, be violent, cause fights, [53:16] do bad things. I would say the only way because those stories are all totally false. I have to [53:21] say that. And I didn't even apologize to my wife who's sitting right here because I didn't do anything. [53:27] I didn't know any of these women. I didn't see these women. These women, the woman on the plane, [53:33] the woman, I think they want either fame or her campaign did it. And I think it's her campaign. [53:39] Because what I saw, what they did, which is a criminal act, by the way, where they're telling [53:45] people to go out and start fist fights and start violence. And I'll tell you what, [53:49] in particular in Chicago, people were hurt and people could have been killed in that riot. [53:54] And that was now all on tape, started by her. I believe, Chris, that she got these people to [54:01] step forward. If it wasn't, they get their 10 minutes of fame. But they were all totally, [54:07] it was all fiction. It was lies and it was fiction. Secretary Clinton. At the last debate, [54:14] we heard Donald talking about what he did to women. And after that, a number of women [54:22] have come forward saying that's exactly what he did to them. Now, what was his response? Well, [54:29] he held a number of big rallies where he said that he could not possibly have done those things to [54:37] those women because they were not attractive enough for them to be assaulted. I did not say that. [54:43] In fact, he went on to say... Her two minutes, sir, her two minutes. But did not say that. [54:48] It's her two minutes. He went on to say, look at her. I don't think so. About another woman, [54:56] he said, that wouldn't be my first choice. He attacked the woman reporter writing the story, [55:03] called her disgusting, as he has called a number of women during this campaign. Donald thinks [55:09] belittling women makes him bigger. He goes after their dignity, their self-worth. And I don't think [55:18] there is a woman anywhere who doesn't know what that feels like. So we now know what Donald thinks [55:25] and what he says and how he acts toward women. That's who Donald is. I think it's really up to all of us [55:32] us to demonstrate who we are and who our country is, and to stand up and be very clear about what [55:42] we expect from our next president, how we want to bring our country together, where we don't want [55:50] to have the kind of pitting of people one against the other, where, instead, we celebrate our diversity, [55:57] we lift people up, and we make our country even greater. America is great because America is good. [56:06] And it really is up to all of us to make that true now and in the future, and particularly for our [56:13] children and our grandchildren. Mr. Trump. Nobody has more respect for women than I do. Nobody. [56:21] Nobody has more respect. Please, everybody. [56:22] And, frankly, those stories have been largely debunked. And I really want to just talk about [56:31] something slightly different. She mentions this, which is all fiction, all fictionalized, [56:38] probably or possibly started by her and her very sleazy campaign. But I will tell you, [56:45] what isn't fictionalized are her emails, where she destroyed 33,000 emails criminally, criminally, [56:52] after getting a subpoena from the United States Congress. What happened to the FBI? I don't know. [56:58] We have a great general, four-star general, today, you read it in all the papers, going to potentially [57:05] serve five years in jail for lying to the FBI. One lie. She's lied hundreds of times to the people, [57:15] to Congress, and to the FBI. He's going to probably go to jail. This is a four-star general. [57:24] And she gets away with it. And she can run for the presidency of the United States. [57:29] That's really what you should be talking about, not fiction, where somebody wants fame or where [57:34] they come out of her crooked campaign. Secretary Clinton. [57:37] Well, every time Donald is pushed on something, which is obviously uncomfortable, like what these [57:47] women are saying, he immediately goes to denying responsibility. And it's not just about women. [57:57] He never apologizes or says he's sorry for anything. So we know what he has said and what he's done to [58:03] women. But he also went after a disabled reporter, mocked and mimicked him on national television. [58:10] He went after Mr. and Mrs. Khan, the parents of a young man who died serving our country, [58:19] a Gold Star family because of their religion. He went after John McCain, a prisoner of war, [58:25] said he prefers people who aren't captured. He went after a federal judge, born in Indiana, [58:34] but who Donald said couldn't be trusted to try the fraud and racketeering case against Trump University, [58:41] because his parents were Mexican. So it's not one thing. This is a pattern, a pattern of divisiveness, [58:48] of a very dark and, in many ways, dangerous vision of our country, where he incites violence, [58:55] where he applauds people who are pushing and pulling and punching at his rallies. [59:01] That is not who America is. And I hope that as we move in the last weeks of this campaign, [59:09] more and more people will understand what's at stake in this election. It really does come down [59:15] to what kind of country we are going to have. So sad when she talks about violence at my rallies, [59:21] and she caused the violence. It's on tape. The other things are false, but honestly, [59:26] I'd love to talk about getting rid of ISIS and I'd love to talk about other things. But those other [59:32] charges, as she knows, are false. In this bucket about fitness to be president, there's been a lot of [59:38] developments over the last 10 days since the last debate. I'd like to ask you about them. These [59:43] are questions that the American people have. Secretary Clinton, during your 2009 Senate confirmation [59:48] hearing, you promised to avoid even the appearance of a conflict of interest with your dealing with [59:54] the Clinton Foundation while you were secretary of state. But emails show that donors got special [1:00:00] access to you. Those seeking grants for Haiti relief were considered separately from non-donors, [1:00:07] and some of those donors got contract, government contracts, taxpayer money. Can you really say that [1:00:14] you kept your pledge to that Senate committee? And why isn't what happened and what went on between you [1:00:20] and the Clinton Foundation, why isn't it what Mr. Trump calls pay to play? [1:00:24] Well, everything I did as secretary of state was in furtherance of our country's interests and our [1:00:32] values. The State Department has said that. I think that's been proven. But I am happy. In fact, [1:00:37] I'm thrilled to talk about the Clinton Foundation, because it is a world-renowned charity. And I am so [1:00:43] proud of the work that it does. You know, I could talk for the rest of the debate. I know I don't have [1:00:47] the time to do that. But just briefly, the Clinton Foundation made it possible for 11 million people [1:00:55] around the world with HIV-AIDS to afford treatment. And that's about half of all the people in the [1:01:00] world who are getting treatment. In partnership with the American Health Association, we have made [1:01:07] environments and schools healthier for kids, including healthier lunches. [1:01:10] Secretary Clinton, respectfully, this is an open discussion. [1:01:12] Well, it is an open discussion. [1:01:13] I understand. And this specific question went to pay for play. Do you want to talk about that? [1:01:17] Well, I think, look, I think that it's been very well studied. [1:01:20] There is a lot of evidence about the very good work and the high-ranking that the [1:01:26] Clinton Foundation have gotten for their work. [1:01:27] It's a criminal enterprise. Saudi Arabia giving 25 million dollars. Qatar, all of these countries. [1:01:34] You talk about women and women's rights. So these are people that push gays off business, off [1:01:40] buildings. These are people that kill women and treat women horribly. And yet, you take their [1:01:46] money. So I'd like to ask you right now, why don't you give back the money that you've taken from [1:01:52] certain countries that treat certain groups of people so horribly? Why don't you give back the [1:01:58] money? I think it would be a great gesture. Because she takes a tremendous amount of money. [1:02:03] And you take a look at the people of Haiti. I was at a little Haiti the other day in Florida. [1:02:08] And I want to tell you, they hate the Clintons. Because what's happened in Haiti with the Clinton [1:02:14] Foundation is a disgrace. And you know it, and they know it, and everybody knows it. [1:02:19] Secretary Clinton. [1:02:20] Well, very quickly, we at the Clinton Foundation spend 90 percent, 90 percent of all the money [1:02:27] that is donated on behalf of programs of people around the world and in our own country. [1:02:33] I'm very proud of that. We have the highest rating from the watchdogs that follow foundations. [1:02:38] And I'd be happy to compare what we do with the Trump Foundation, which took money from other people [1:02:43] and bought a six-foot portrait of Donald. I mean, who does that? It just was astonishing. [1:02:49] But when it comes to Haiti, Haiti is the poorest country in our hemisphere. [1:02:54] The earthquake and the hurricanes, it has devastated Haiti. [1:02:58] Bill and I have been involved in trying to help Haiti for many years. [1:03:01] The Clinton Foundation raised 30 million dollars to help Haiti after the [1:03:05] catastrophic earthquake and all of the terrible problems the people there had. [1:03:11] We've done things to help small businesses, agriculture, and so much else. [1:03:16] And we're going to keep working to help Haiti because it's an important part of the American [1:03:21] experience. [1:03:21] They don't want you to help them anymore. [1:03:24] I'd like to mention one thing. [1:03:26] Trump Foundation, small foundation, people contribute, I contribute. [1:03:30] The money goes 100 percent, 100 percent goes to different charities, including a lot of military. [1:03:35] I don't get anything. I don't buy boats. I don't buy planes. What happens is the money goes out. [1:03:40] Wasn't some of the money used to settle your lawsuit, sir? [1:03:42] No, it was, we put up the American flag and that's it. They put up the American flag. [1:03:47] We fought for the right in Palm Beach to put up the American flag. [1:03:50] There was a penalty that was imposed by Palm Beach County and the money came from your [1:03:55] foundation instead of Mar-a-Lago yourself, sir. [1:03:56] There was, and by the way, the money went to Fisher House where they build houses. [1:04:01] The money that you're talking about went to Fisher House where they build houses for veterans and [1:04:06] disabled. I want to get into one last. But of course, there's no way we can [1:04:09] know whether any of that is true because he hasn't released his tax returns. He is the first [1:04:13] candidate ever to run for president in the last 40 plus years who has not released his tax returns. [1:04:19] So everything he says about charity or anything else, we can't prove it. You can look at our tax [1:04:26] returns. We've got them all out there. But what is really troubling is that we learned in the last [1:04:32] debate. He has not paid a penny in federal income tax. And we were talking about immigrants a few [1:04:38] minutes ago, Chris. You know, half of all immigrants, undocumented immigrants in our country, [1:04:44] actually pay federal income tax. So we have undocumented immigrants in America who are paying [1:04:50] more federal income tax than a billionaire. I find that just astonishing. [1:04:53] So let me just tell you very simply, we're entitled because of the laws that people like [1:04:57] her past to take massive amounts of depreciation on other charges and we do it. And all of her [1:05:02] donors, just about all of them. I know Buffett took hundreds of millions of dollars. Soros, [1:05:07] George Soros took hundreds of millions of dollars. Let me just explain. All of her donors, [1:05:12] most of her donors have done the same thing as I do. And you know what you should have done? [1:05:16] Folks, we heard this. [1:05:17] And you know, Hillary, what you should have done? You should have changed the law when you were a [1:05:21] United States Senator if you don't like it. Folks, we heard this. [1:05:23] Because your donors and your special interests are doing the same thing as I do, except even more [1:05:28] so. You should have changed the law, but you won't change the law because you've taken so much money. [1:05:33] I mean, I sat in my apartment today in a very beautiful hotel down the street known as Trump. [1:05:40] Made with Chinese steel. [1:05:41] But I will tell you, I sat there, I sat there watching ad after ad after ad, false ad, [1:05:48] all paid for by your friends on Wall Street that gave so much money because they know you're going [1:05:54] to protect them. And frankly, you should have changed the law. If you don't like what I did, [1:05:59] you should have changed the law. Mr. Trump, I want to ask you about [1:06:01] one last question in this topic. You have been warning at rallies recently that this election is [1:06:09] rigged and that Hillary Clinton is in the process of trying to steal it from you. [1:06:17] Your running mate, Governor Pence, pledged on Sunday that he and you, his words, [1:06:22] will absolutely accept the result of this election. Today, your daughter Ivanka [1:06:28] said the same thing. I want to ask you here on this stage tonight, [1:06:32] do you make the same commitment that you will absolutely, sir, that you will absolutely accept [1:06:37] the result of this election? I will look at it at the time. I'm not looking at anything now, [1:06:41] I'll look at it at the time. What I've seen, what I've seen is so bad. First of all, [1:06:46] the media is so dishonest and so corrupt and the pylon is so amazing. The New York Times actually [1:06:53] wrote an article about it that they don't even care. It's so dishonest and they've poisoned the [1:06:58] minds of the voters. But unfortunately for them, I think the voters are seeing through it. I think [1:07:03] they're going to see through it. We'll find out on November 8th, but I think they're going to see [1:07:06] through it. But sir, there's a... Excuse me, Chris. If you look at your voter rolls, [1:07:11] you will see millions of people that are registered to vote, millions. This isn't coming from me. This [1:07:17] is coming from Pew Report and other places. Millions of people that are registered to vote [1:07:23] that shouldn't be registered to vote. So let me just give you one other thing. So I talk about the [1:07:29] corrupt media. I talk about the millions of people. Tell you one other thing. She shouldn't be allowed to [1:07:34] run. She's guilty of a very, very serious crime. She should not be allowed to run. And just in that [1:07:43] respect, I say it's rigged. Because she should never... Chris, she should never have been allowed [1:07:50] to run for the presidency based on what she did with emails and so many other things. [1:07:55] But sir, there is a tradition in this country. In fact, one of the prize of this country [1:08:00] is the peaceful transition of power and that no matter how hard fought a campaign is, [1:08:05] that at the end of the campaign, that the loser concedes to the winner, not saying that you're [1:08:11] necessarily going to be the loser or the winner, but that the loser concedes to the winner and that [1:08:16] the country comes together in part for the good of the country. Are you saying you're not prepared [1:08:21] now to commit to that principle? What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the time, [1:08:24] I'll keep you in suspense. Well, Chris, let me respond to that because that's horrifying. [1:08:29] You know, every time Donald thinks things are not going in his direction, he claims [1:08:35] whatever it is is rigged against him. The FBI conducted a year-long investigation into my emails. [1:08:41] They concluded there was no case. He said the FBI was rigged. He lost the Iowa caucus. He lost the [1:08:47] Wisconsin primary. He said the Republican primary was rigged against him. Then Trump University gets [1:08:54] sued for fraud and racketeering. He claims the court system and the federal judge is rigged against [1:09:00] him. There was even a time when he didn't get an Emmy for his TV program three years in a row and [1:09:07] he started tweeting that the Emmys were rigged against him. Should have gotten it. This is a mindset. [1:09:12] This is how Donald thinks. And it's funny, but it's also really troubling. [1:09:18] Okay. Now, that is not the way our democracy works. We've been around for 240 years. [1:09:24] We've had free and fair elections. We've accepted the outcomes when we may not have liked them. [1:09:30] And that is what must be expected of anyone standing on a debate stage during a general [1:09:36] election. You know, President Obama said the other day, when you're whining before the game is even [1:09:42] finished, it just shows you're not up to doing the job. And let's, you know, let's be clear about [1:09:48] what he is saying and what that means. He is denigrating. He's talking down our democracy. And I, [1:09:54] for one, am appalled that somebody who is the nominee of one of our two major parties would take that kind [1:10:01] of position. I think what the FBI did and what the Department of Justice did, including meeting with [1:10:08] her husband, the Attorney General, on the back of an airplane on the tarmac in Arizona, I think it's [1:10:14] disgraceful. I think it's a disgrace. All right. I think we've never had a situation so bad in this country. [1:10:18] Hold on, folks. This doesn't do any good for anyone. Let's please continue the debate and [1:10:24] let's move on to the subject of foreign hotspots. The Iraqi offensive to take back Mosul has begun. [1:10:33] If they are successful in pushing ISIS out of that city and out of all of Iraq, the question then [1:10:39] becomes what happens the day after? And that's something that whichever of you ends up, whoever [1:10:45] of you ends up as president is going to have to confront. Will you put U.S. troops into that [1:10:51] vacuum to make sure that ISIS doesn't come back or isn't replaced by something even worse? [1:10:57] Secretary Clinton, you go first in this segment. You have two minutes. [1:11:01] Well, I am encouraged that there is an effort led by the Iraqi army, supported by Kurdish forces and [1:11:11] also given the help and advice from the number of special forces and other Americans on the ground. [1:11:18] But I will not support putting American soldiers into Iraq as an occupying force. [1:11:24] I don't think that is in our interest. And I don't think that would be smart to do. In fact, [1:11:29] Chris, I think that would be a big red flag waving for ISIS to reconstitute itself. [1:11:35] The goal here is to take back Mosul. It's going to be a hard fight. I've got no [1:11:40] illusions about that. And then continue to press into Syria to begin to take back and move on Raqqa, [1:11:48] which is the ISIS headquarters. I am hopeful that the hard work that American military advisors have [1:11:56] done will pay off and that we will see a real, a really successful military operation. But we know [1:12:04] we've got lots of work to do. Syria will remain a hotbed of terrorism as long as the civil war, [1:12:11] aided and abetted by the Iranians and the Russians, continue. So I have said, look, [1:12:15] we need to keep our eye on ISIS. That's why I want to have an intelligence surge that protects us here [1:12:21] at home, why we have to go after them from the air, on the ground, online, why we have to make sure here [1:12:27] at home we don't let terrorists buy weapons. If you're too dangerous to fly, you're too dangerous [1:12:32] to buy a gun. And I'm going to continue to push for a no-fly zone and safe havens within Syria, [1:12:40] not only to help protect the Syrians and prevent the constant outflow of refugees, but to frankly [1:12:46] gain some leverage on both the Syrian government and the Russians so that perhaps we can have the kind [1:12:52] of serious negotiation necessary to bring the conflict to an end and go forward on a political track. [1:13:00] Mr. Trump, same question. If we are able to push ISIS out of Mosul and out of Iraq, will, [1:13:06] would you be willing to put U.S. troops in there to prevent their return or something else? [1:13:12] Let me tell you, Mosul's so sad. We had Mosul, but when she left, when she took everybody out, [1:13:19] we lost Mosul. Now we're fighting again to get Mosul. The problem with Mosul and what [1:13:24] they wanted to do is they wanted to get the leaders of ISIS who they felt were in Mosul. [1:13:30] About three months ago, I started reading that they want to get the leaders and they're going to [1:13:35] attack Mosul. Whatever happened to the element of surprise, okay? We announced we're going after [1:13:42] Mosul. I've been reading about going after Mosul now for about, how long is it, Hillary, three months? [1:13:47] These people have all left. They've all left. The element of surprise. Douglas MacArthur, [1:13:54] George Patton spinning in their graves when they see the stupidity of our country. So we're now [1:14:00] fighting for Mosul that we had. All she had to do is stay there. Now we're going in to get it. [1:14:05] But you know who the big winner in Mosul is going to be after we eventually get it? And the only reason [1:14:10] they did it is because she's running for the office of president and they want to look tough. They want [1:14:16] to look good. He violated the red line in the sand and he made so many mistakes, made all mistakes. [1:14:22] That's why we have the great migration. But she wanted to look good for the election. So they're [1:14:27] going in. But who's going to get Mosul really? We'll take Mosul eventually. By the way, if you look [1:14:32] at what's happening, much tougher than they thought. Much, much tougher, much more dangerous, going to [1:14:37] be more deaths than they thought. But the leaders that we wanted to get are all gone because they're [1:14:41] smart. They say, what do we need this for? So Mosul is going to be a wonderful thing and Iran should [1:14:48] write us a letter of thank you, just like the really stupid, the stupidest deal of all time, [1:14:54] a deal that's going to give Iran absolutely nuclear weapons. Iran should write us yet another [1:15:01] letter saying thank you very much. Because Iran, as I said many years ago, Iran is taking over Iraq, [1:15:07] something they've wanted to do forever. But we've made it so easy for them. So we're now going to take [1:15:12] Mosul. And you know who's going to be the beneficiary? Iran. Boy, are they making, I mean, [1:15:17] they are outsmarting. Look, you're not there. You might be involved in that decision. But you [1:15:23] were there when you took everybody out of Mosul and out of Iraq. You shouldn't have been in Iraq, [1:15:29] but you did vote for it. You shouldn't have been in Iraq. But once you were in Iraq, [1:15:33] you should have never left the way. The point is, the big winner is going to be Iran. [1:15:38] Well, you know, once again, Donald is implying that he didn't support the invasion of Iraq. [1:15:45] I said it was a mistake. I've said that years ago. He has consistently denied what is a very [1:15:51] clear fact that before the invasion, he supported it. And, you know, I just want everybody to go [1:15:57] Google it. Google Donald Trump Iraq. And you will see the dozens of sources which verify that he was [1:16:04] for the invasion of Iraq. And you can actually hear the audio of him saying that. Now, why does that [1:16:10] matter? Well, it matters because he has not told the truth about that position. I guess he believes [1:16:18] it makes him look better now, to contrast with me, because I did vote for it. But what's really [1:16:24] important here is to understand all the interplay. Mosul is a Sunni city. Mosul is on the border of Syria. [1:16:33] And, yes, we do need to go after Baghdadi. And just like we went after bin Laden while you were [1:16:40] doing Celebrity Apprentice, and we brought him to justice. We need to go after the leadership, [1:16:45] but we need to get rid of them, get rid of their fighters. There are estimated several thousand [1:16:50] fighters in Mosul. They've been digging underground. They've been prepared to defend. It's going to be [1:16:55] tough fighting. But I think we can take back Mosul, and then we can move on into Syria and take back [1:17:01] Raqqa. This is what we have to do. I'm just amazed that he seems to think that the Iraqi government [1:17:08] and our allies and everybody else launched the attack on Mosul to help me in this election. But [1:17:14] that's how Donald thinks, you know. He always is looking for some conspiracy. Chris, we don't gain [1:17:19] anything. He has all the conspiracy theories. Iran is taking over Iraq. And this conspiracy theory, [1:17:25] which he's been spewing out for quite some time. Wait, wait, wait. Secretary Clinton, [1:17:30] it's an open discussion. Secretary, please let Mr. Trump speak. He's unfit, and he proves it [1:17:38] every time he talks. You are the one that's unfit. You know, [1:17:40] WikiLeaks just actually came out. John Podesta said some horrible things about you. And boy, [1:17:46] was he right. He said some beauties. And you know, Bernie Sanders, he said you have bad judgment. [1:17:52] You do. And if you think that going into Mosul, after we let the world know we're going in, [1:17:58] and all of the people that we really wanted, the leaders, they're all gone. If you think [1:18:03] that was good, then you do. Now, John Podesta said you have terrible instincts. Bernie Sanders [1:18:08] said you have bad judgment. I agree with both. Well, you should ask Bernie Sanders, [1:18:13] who he's supporting for president. And he has said, as he has campaigned for me around the country, [1:18:19] you are the most dangerous person to run for president in the modern history of America. [1:18:24] I think he's right. Let's turn to Aleppo. Mr. Trump, in the last debate, [1:18:32] you were both asked about the situation in the Syrian city of Aleppo. And I want to follow up on [1:18:38] that because you said several things in that debate which were not true, sir. You said that Aleppo has [1:18:46] basically fallen. In fact, there, in fact, there are... It's a catastrophe. It is a catastrophe. [1:18:52] Yes. Have you seen it? Have you seen it? Have you seen what's happened to Aleppo? [1:18:58] If I may finish my question. Okay. So it hasn't fallen. Take a look at it. [1:19:01] Well, there are a quarter of a million people still living there and being slaughtered. [1:19:04] That's right. And they are being slaughtered. [1:19:06] Yes. Because of bad decisions. [1:19:08] If I may just finish here. And you also said that Syria and Russia are busy fighting ISIS. In fact, [1:19:17] they have been the ones who've been bombing and shelling Eastern Aleppo. And they just announced [1:19:22] a humanitarian pause, in effect, admitting that they have been bombing and shelling Aleppo. Would [1:19:27] you like to clear that up, sir? Well, Aleppo is a disaster. It's a humanitarian nightmare, [1:19:33] but it has fallen from any standpoint. I mean, what do you need, a signed document? Take a look at Aleppo. [1:19:39] It is so sad when you see what's happened. And a lot of this is because of Hillary Clinton. Because what's [1:19:45] happened is by fighting Assad, who turned out to be a lot tougher than she thought, [1:19:51] and now she's going to say, oh, he loves Assad. She's just, he's just much tougher and much smarter [1:19:58] than her and Obama. And everyone thought he was gone two years ago, three years ago. [1:20:02] He aligned, he aligned with Russia. He now also aligned with Iran, who we made very powerful. [1:20:09] We gave them $150 billion back. We give them 1.7 billion in cash. I mean, [1:20:16] cash, bundles of cash, as big as this stage. We gave them $1.7 billion. Now, [1:20:23] they have aligned, he has aligned with Russia and with Iran. They don't want ISIS, but they have [1:20:29] other things because we're backing, we're backing rebels. We don't know who the rebels are. We're [1:20:36] giving them lots of money, lots of everything. We don't know who the rebels are. And when and if, [1:20:43] and it's not going to happen because you have Russia and you have Iran now, [1:20:46] but if they ever did overthrow Assad, you might end up with as bad as Assad is, [1:20:50] and he's a bad guy. But you may very well end up with worse than Assad. [1:20:56] If she did nothing, we'd be in much better shape. And this is what's caused the great migration, [1:21:03] where she's taken in tens of thousands of Syrian refugees who probably in many cases, [1:21:10] not probably, who are definitely in many cases, ISIS aligned. And we now have them in our country. [1:21:16] And wait till you see, this is going to be the great Trojan horse. And wait till you see [1:21:21] what happens in the coming years. Lots of luck, Hillary. Thanks a lot for doing a great job. [1:21:26] Secretary Clinton, you have talked about, and in the last debate and again today, [1:21:31] that you would impose a no-fly zone to try to protect the people of Aleppo and to stop the [1:21:36] killing there. President Obama has refused to do that because he fears it's going to draw us closer [1:21:41] or deeper into the conflict. And General Joseph Dunford, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, [1:21:46] says you impose a no-fly zone, chances are you're going to get into a war, his words, with Syria and [1:21:53] Russia. So the question I have is, if you impose a no-fly zone, first of all, how do you respond [1:21:58] to their concerns? Secondly, if you impose a no-fly zone and a Russian plane violates that, [1:22:04] does President Clinton shoot that plane down? Well, Chris, first of all, [1:22:09] I think a no-fly zone could save lives and could hasten the end of the conflict. I am well aware [1:22:14] of the really legitimate concerns that you have expressed from both the president and the general. [1:22:20] This would not be done just on the first day. This would take a lot of negotiation. It would also [1:22:25] take making it clear to the Russians and the Syrians that our purpose here was to provide [1:22:31] safe zones on the ground. We've had millions of people leave Syria and those millions of people [1:22:38] inside Syria who've been dislocated. So I think we could strike a deal and make it very clear to the [1:22:45] Russians and the Syrians that this was something that we believe was in the best interests of the [1:22:50] people on the ground in Syria. It would help us with our fight against ISIS. But I want to respond [1:22:55] to what Donald said about refugees. He's made these claims repeatedly. I am not going to let anyone into [1:23:02] this country who is not vetted, who we do not have confidence in, but I am not going to slam the door on [1:23:09] women and children. That picture of that little four-year-old boy in Aleppo with the blood coming [1:23:14] down his face while he sat in an ambulance is haunting. And so we are going to do very careful, [1:23:20] thorough vetting. That does not solve our internal challenges with ISIS and our need to stop [1:23:27] radicalization, to work with American Muslim communities who are on the front lines to identify [1:23:32] and prevent attacks. In fact, the killer of the dozens of people at the nightclub in Orlando, [1:23:42] the Pulse nightclub, was born in Queens, the same place Donald was born. [1:23:47] So let's be clear about what the threat is and how we are best going to be able to meet it. And yes, [1:23:54] some of that threat emanates from over in Syria and Iraq, and we've got to keep fighting and I will [1:23:59] defeat ISIS. And some of it is we have to up our game and be much smarter here at home. [1:24:04] Folks, I want to get into our final segment. [1:24:06] But I just have to, it's so ridiculous what you, she will defeat ISIS. We should have never let [1:24:11] ISIS happen in the first place. And right now they're in 32 countries. You should have never. [1:24:15] Wait one second. They had a ceasefire three weeks ago. A ceasefire, United States, Russia, Syria. [1:24:23] And during the ceasefire, Russia took over vast swatches of land. And then they said, [1:24:28] we don't want the ceasefire anymore. We are so outplayed on missiles, on ceasefires. [1:24:35] They are outplayed. Now she wasn't there. I assume she had nothing to do with it. [1:24:39] But our country is so outplayed by Putin and Assad and by the way, and by Iran, [1:24:46] nobody can believe how stupid our leadership is. Mr. Trump, Secretary Clinton, no, [1:24:52] we need to move on to our final segment. And that is the national debt, [1:24:55] which has not been discussed until tonight. Our national debt is a share of the economy. [1:25:01] Our GDP is now 77%. That's the highest since just after World War II. [1:25:08] But the Nonpartisan Committee for a Responsible Federal Budget says, [1:25:11] Secretary Clinton, under your plan, debt would rise to 86% of GDP over the next 10 years. [1:25:18] Mr. Trump, under your plan, they say it would rise to 105% of GDP over the next 10 years. [1:25:24] The question is, why are both of you ignoring this problem? Mr. Trump, you go first. [1:25:30] Well, I say they're wrong because I'm going to create tremendous jobs. And we're bringing GDP from [1:25:36] really 1%, which is what it is now. And if she got in, it'll be less than zero. [1:25:41] But we're bringing it from 1% up to 4%. And I actually think we can go higher than 4%. I think [1:25:47] you can go to 5% or 6%. And if we do, you don't have to bother asking your question, [1:25:53] because we have a tremendous machine. We will have created a trend, tremendous economic machine [1:26:00] once again. To do that, we're taking back jobs. We're not going to let our companies be raided by [1:26:05] other countries where we lose all our jobs. We don't make our product anymore. It's very sad. [1:26:11] But I'm going to create a, the kind of a country that we were from the standpoint of industry. We used [1:26:17] to be there. We've given it up. We've become very, very sloppy. We've had people that are political [1:26:25] hacks, making the biggest deals in the world, bigger than companies. You take these big companies, [1:26:29] these trade deals are far bigger than these companies. And yet we don't use our great leaders, [1:26:34] many of whom back me and many of whom back Hillary, I must say. But we don't use those people. [1:26:39] Those are the people. These are the greatest negotiators in the world. We have the greatest [1:26:43] business people in the world. We have to use them to negotiate our trade deals. We use political hacks. [1:26:48] We use people that get the position because they gave, they made a campaign contribution. [1:26:54] And they're dealing with China and people that are very much smarter than they are. So we have to use [1:26:59] our great people. But with that being said, we will create an economic machine, the likes of which [1:27:07] we haven't seen in many decades. And people, Chris, will again go back to work and they'll make a lot [1:27:13] of money and we'll have companies that will grow and expand and start from new. Secretary Clinton. [1:27:20] Well, first, when I when I hear Donald talk like that and know that his slogan is make America great [1:27:26] again, I wonder when he thought America was great. And before he rushes and says, you know, [1:27:34] before you and President Obama were there, I think it's important to recognize that he has been [1:27:40] criticizing our government for decades. You know, back in 1987, he took out a $100,000 ad in the New [1:27:49] York Times during the time when President Reagan was president and basically said exactly what he just [1:27:57] said now, that we were the laughing stock of the world. He was criticizing President Reagan. [1:28:03] This is the way Donald thinks about himself, puts himself into, you know, the middle and says, [1:28:09] you know, I alone can fix it, as he said on the convention stage. But if you look at the debt, [1:28:16] which is the issue you asked about, Chris, I pay for everything I'm proposing. I do not add [1:28:22] a penny to the national debt. I take that very seriously because I do think it's one of the issues [1:28:29] we've got to come to grips with. So when I talk about how we're going to pay for education, [1:28:35] how we're going to invest in infrastructure, how we're going to get the cost of prescription drugs [1:28:39] down and a lot of the other issues that people talk to me about all the time, I've made it very [1:28:44] clear we are going where the money is. We are going to ask the wealthy and corporations to pay their fair [1:28:50] share. And there is no evidence whatsoever that that will slow down or diminish our growth. In fact, [1:28:58] I think just the opposite. We'll have what economists call middle-out growth. We've got to get back [1:29:04] to rebuilding the middle class, the families of America. That's where growth will come from. [1:29:09] That's why I want to invest in you. I want to invest in your family. And I think that's the smartest [1:29:15] way to grow the economy, to make the economy fairer. And we just have a big disagreement about [1:29:20] this. It may be because of our experiences. You know, he started off with his dad as a millionaire. [1:29:25] I started off with my dad as a small businessman. We've heard this before. [1:29:28] I think it's, you know, it's a difference that affects how we see the world and what we want to [1:29:33] do with the economy. Time. Thank you, Hillary. Could I just respond? [1:29:36] Well, no. Because I did disagree with Ronald Reagan very strongly on trade. I disagreed with him. [1:29:41] We should have been much tougher on trade even then. I've been waiting for years. [1:29:46] Nobody does it right. And frankly, now we're going to do it right. [1:29:49] All right. The one last area I want to get into with you in this debate is the fact that [1:29:53] the biggest driver of our debt is entitlements, which is 60 percent of all federal spending. [1:30:00] Now, the Committee for Responsible Federal Budget has looked at both of your plans, [1:30:05] and they say neither of you has a serious plan that is going to solve the fact that [1:30:10] Medicare is going to run out of money in the 2020s. Social Security is going to run out of money [1:30:15] in the 2030s. And at that time, recipients are going to take huge cuts on their benefits. So, [1:30:21] in effect, the final question I want to ask you in this regard is, and let me start with you, [1:30:26] Mr. Trump. Would President Trump make a deal to save Medicare and Social Security that included [1:30:32] both tax increases and benefit cuts, in effect, a grand bargain on entitlements? [1:30:37] I'm cutting taxes. We're going to grow the economy. It's going to grow at a record rate. [1:30:41] But that's not going to help on entitlements. [1:30:43] It's going to totally help you. And one thing we have to do, [1:30:46] repeal and replace the disaster known as Obamacare. It's destroying our country. [1:30:52] It's destroying our businesses, our small business and our big businesses. We have to repeal [1:30:58] and replace Obamacare. You take a look at the kind of numbers that that will cost us in the year 17. [1:31:04] It is a disaster if we don't repeal and replace. Now, it's probably going to die of its own weight. [1:31:11] But Obamacare has to go. It's the premiums are going up 60, 70, 80 percent. Next year, [1:31:17] they're going to go up over 100 percent. And I'm really glad that the premiums have started. At [1:31:23] least the people see what's happening, because she wants to keep Obamacare and she wants to make it [1:31:28] even worse. And it can't get any worse. Bad health care at the most expensive price. We have to [1:31:34] repeal and replace Obamacare. And, Secretary Clinton, same question. Because at this point, [1:31:40] Social Security and Medicare are going to run out. The trust funds are going to run out of money. [1:31:44] Will you, as president, entertain... Will you consider a grand bargain, a deal that includes both tax [1:31:52] increases and benefit cuts to try to save both programs? Well, Chris, I am on record as saying [1:31:58] that we need to put more money into the Social Security Trust Fund. That's part of my commitment [1:32:04] to raise taxes on the wealthy. My Social Security payroll contribution will go up, [1:32:10] as will Donald's, assuming he can't figure out how to get out of it. But what we want to do [1:32:15] is to replenish the Social Security Trust Fund by making sure that we have sufficient resources. [1:32:23] And that will come from either raising the cap and or finding other ways to get more money into it. [1:32:28] I will not cut benefits. I want to enhance benefits for low-income workers and for women [1:32:36] who have been disadvantaged by the current Social Security system. But what Donald is proposing with [1:32:42] these massive tax cuts will result in a $20 trillion additional national debt. That will have dire [1:32:50] consequences for Social Security and Medicare. And I will say something about the Affordable Care Act, [1:32:54] which he wants to repeal. The Affordable Care Act extended the solvency of the Medicare Trust Fund. [1:33:01] So if he repeals it, our Medicare problem gets worse. What we need to do is go after the long-term [1:33:07] health care drivers. We've got to get costs down, increase value, emphasize wellness. I have a plan [1:33:13] for doing that. And I think that we will be able to get entitlement spending under control by with more [1:33:19] resources and smarter decisions. This is the final time, probably to both of your delight, [1:33:24] that you're going to be on the stage together in this campaign. I would like to end it on a positive note. [1:33:30] You had not agreed to closing statements, but it seems to me in a funny way that might make it more [1:33:36] interesting because you haven't prepared closing statements. So I'd like you each to take it. [1:33:40] We're going to put a clock up a minute as the final question and the final debate to tell the American [1:33:46] people why they should elect you to be the next president. This is another new mini-segment. [1:33:52] Secretary Clinton, it's your turn to go first. [1:33:54] REP. LYNN CLEMENTS, President of the United States of America, Secretary Clinton, [1:33:54] Well, I would like to say to everyone watching tonight that I'm reaching out to all Americans, [1:34:00] Democrats, Republicans and Independents, because we need everybody to help make our country [1:34:06] what it should be, to grow the economy, to make it fairer, to make it work for everyone. [1:34:12] We need your talents, your skills, your commitment, your energy, your ambition. [1:34:17] You know, I've been privileged to see the presidency up close. And I know the awesome [1:34:22] responsibility of protecting our country and the incredible opportunity of working to try [1:34:27] to make life better for all of you. I have made the cause of children and families really my life's work. [1:34:35] That's what my mission will be in the presidency. I will stand up for families, against powerful [1:34:40] interests, against corporations. I will do everything that I can to make sure that you have good jobs [1:34:47] with rising incomes, that your kids have good educations from preschool through college. [1:34:52] I hope you will give me a chance to serve as your president. [1:34:55] REP. LYNN CLEMENTS, President of the United States of America, Secretary Clinton, [1:34:57] Thank you. Mr. Trump? [1:34:58] SECRETARY CLINTON, President of the United States of America, Secretary Clinton, [1:34:58] She's raising the money from the people she wants to control. It doesn't work that way. [1:35:03] But when I started this campaign, I started it very strongly. It's called, [1:35:07] Make America Great Again. We're going to make America great. We have a depleted military. [1:35:13] It has to be helped. It has to be fixed. We have the greatest people on earth in our military. [1:35:17] We don't take care of our veterans. We take care of illegal immigrants, [1:35:20] people that come into the country illegally better than we take care of our vets. [1:35:24] That can't happen. Our policemen and women are disrespected. We need law and order, [1:35:30] but we need justice, too. Our inner cities are a disaster. [1:35:34] You get shot walking to the store. They have no education. They have no jobs. [1:35:38] I will do more for African Americans and Latinos than she can ever do in 10 lifetimes. [1:35:44] All she's done is talk to the African Americans and to the Latinos. [1:35:48] But they get the vote, and then they come back. They say, we'll see you in four years. [1:35:52] We are going to make America strong again, and we are going to make America great again. And it has to [1:35:58] start now. We cannot take four more years of Barack Obama, and that's what you get when you get her. [1:36:05] Thank you both. Secretary Clinton, hold on just a moment, folks. Secretary Clinton, [1:36:11] Mr. Trump, I want to thank you both for participating in all three of these debates. [1:36:16] That brings to an end this year's debate, sponsored by the Commission on Presidential Debates. [1:36:20] We want to thank the University of Nevada, Las Vegas, and its students for having us. [1:36:25] Now the decision is up to you. While millions have already voted, Election Day, [1:36:30] November 8 is just 20 days away. [1:36:32] One thing everyone here can agree on, we hope you will go vote. [1:36:36] It is one of the honors and obligations of living in this great country. [1:36:41] Thank you, and good night. [1:36:43] JUDY WOODRUFF, and that wraps up the final presidential debate between Donald Trump and Hillary Clinton. [1:36:51] As we watch the candidates walk across the stage to shake the hand of the moderator, [1:36:57] Chris Wallace, and, presumably, their families will join them on stage in a moment. [1:37:03] Joining me here in our Washington studio, syndicated columnist Mark Shields, New York Times columnist [1:37:09] David Brooks and Amy Walter of the Cook Political Report. David Brooks, it started out on a civil note. [1:37:16] That lasted about 15 or 20 minutes, and they got into, I think, a number of subjects around abortion [1:37:22] in the Supreme Court. But by the end of it, Donald Trump was calling Hillary Clinton a nasty woman [1:37:28] and a liar. And we heard a lot. [1:37:31] BILL KILLEDEN, The Cook Political Report, The Cook Political Report, The Cook Political Report [1:37:31] I counted 27 minutes of civility. [1:37:33] JUDY WOODRUFF, that's maybe exceeding expectations. [1:37:36] I thought it was... Well, the headline of the night is going to be where he was asked if he would support [1:37:41] the election, and he said... [1:37:43] I will keep you in suspense about that, of the election results. [1:37:46] That's going to be the headline of the night. [1:37:47] It's hard to believe we have had a new presidential candidate say that on a national debate. [1:37:52] I frankly thought it was one of the best debate performances that Hillary Clinton has ever [1:37:55] given. [1:37:56] I thought he was... [1:37:57] He's improved, but she gave four answers that I think knocked them out of the park, [1:38:01] especially on the sexual abuse issue, on 30 Years of Experience, on that episode. [1:38:08] She gave some extremely strong and coherent and very Michelle Obama-esque answers. [1:38:13] JUDY WOODRUFF, And it was Michelle Obama, Mark, who said, when they go low, we go high. [1:38:20] Chris Wallace at the end asked them both to be positive. [1:38:23] But we heard some... [1:38:25] We heard negative language to the very end. [1:38:27] MARK SHIELDS, The President, The President, The President, We did. [1:38:28] I thought Trump was better temperamentally tonight than he had been in any of the debates. [1:38:35] If he had been that in the first debate, I think it would have been a different race. [1:38:42] But I think we come back to the tape. [1:38:44] The tape is the killer to him. [1:38:47] And I think that... [1:38:48] JUDY WOODRUFF, You mean the Access Hollywood audience? [1:38:50] MARK SHIELDS, The Access Hollywood, Kate. [1:38:51] I think it's the dynamic, the dynamic of tonight. [1:38:54] It was his bad moment. [1:38:56] I don't think people believe him. [1:38:59] And it was her better moment. [1:39:02] But I... [1:39:03] He did not get the lift he needed. [1:39:05] And I thought there were episodes of just incoherence on his part. [1:39:11] I disagree with David. [1:39:12] I thought Hillary had some great answers, but I thought there were excessive phases of just [1:39:18] sort of bland, predictable prose. [1:39:21] You know, we're going to grow the economy. [1:39:24] How many times are we going to grow the economy? [1:39:26] I mean, is that a phrase that sort of reached its saturation point or expiration date? [1:39:32] JUDY WOODRUFF, Amy Walter? [1:39:33] AMY WALTER, So, the only question coming out of this debate was whether or not he could [1:39:38] stop what was looking like a freefall in the polls and whether that freefall was also going [1:39:42] to... [1:39:43] It was going to hurt the down-ballot candidates, especially Senate candidates in battleground [1:39:49] states. [1:39:50] I don't think it really helped at all here. [1:39:53] And David's right. [1:39:54] The headline is that a president... [1:39:56] A candidate running for president of the United States of America said, I don't know if I'm [1:40:01] going to abide by the decision made by voters. [1:40:05] That is just an unbelievable statement. [1:40:09] And the number-one challenge that Donald Trump has had throughout this campaign, when you look [1:40:14] at where he's fallen flat with voters, is on the question, do you think that Donald Trump [1:40:20] has the judgment and the temperament to be president of the United States? [1:40:22] He has trailed Hillary Clinton on that time and time again. [1:40:26] It's now a gaping chasm on that issue. [1:40:31] And he did not challenge her on that and help expand his... do any better on that question [1:40:39] of judgment and temperament tonight, either by interrupting her and then, of course, by [1:40:43] making the statement he did that he's going to keep people in suspense. [1:40:46] JUDY WOODRUFF, And we should note that he said this on a day when both his vice presidential [1:40:51] running mate, Mike Pence, who we see there in the audience, has been saying, and he said [1:40:56] it again today, that we will accept the results of the election. [1:40:59] His daughter, Ivanka Trump, said today that she expected her father would. [1:41:03] Let's listen to that part of the debate where moderator Chris Wallace asked Donald Trump directly, [1:41:10] will you accept the result, no matter what it is? [1:41:12] DONALD TRUMP, I will look at it at the time. [1:41:16] I'm not looking at anything now. [1:41:17] I will look at it at the time. [1:41:19] What I've seen, what I've seen, is so bad. [1:41:22] First of all, the media is so dishonest and so corrupt, and the pylon is so amazing. [1:41:28] The New York Times actually wrote an article about it, that they don't even care. [1:41:32] It's so dishonest. [1:41:33] And they've poisoned the minds of the voters. [1:41:35] But unfortunately for them, I think the voters are seeing through it. [1:41:39] I think they're going to see through it. [1:41:40] We'll find out on November 8th. [1:41:41] If you look at your voter rolls, you will see millions of people that are registered to [1:41:47] vote. [1:41:48] Millions. [1:41:49] This isn't coming from me. [1:41:50] This is coming from Pew Report and other places. [1:41:53] Millions of people that are registered to vote that shouldn't be registered to vote. [1:41:58] Are you saying you're not prepared now to commit to that principle? [1:42:00] What I'm saying is that I will tell you at the time. [1:42:02] I'll keep you in suspense. [1:42:03] Okay? [1:42:04] Well, Chris, let me respond to that because that's horrifying. [1:42:07] David, it doesn't get any plainer, I guess, than that. [1:42:12] Yes, and I wonder if it will hurt them. [1:42:14] The reason we concede elections and the reason why every candidate in our history has conceded [1:42:20] elections and have said so all along, that they would respect the will of the voters, [1:42:23] is because this is the coherence of the country. [1:42:27] The struggle for power can get ruthless in the world. [1:42:31] And when you... [1:42:32] And you can lead to war. [1:42:33] It can lead to conflict. [1:42:34] It can lead to barbarity. [1:42:36] And the reason we don't fall into barbarity is because it's not where we're wonderful people, [1:42:39] but we have certain customs and standards which we adhere to. [1:42:42] And not adhering to those customs and standards really does put you on the edge of some sort [1:42:46] of dissent from the system we have enjoyed, which is not only based on the laws, but our [1:42:50] attitudes toward the laws. [1:42:52] And so he is violating and corrupting those attitudes. [1:42:56] How many people in America agree with him? [1:42:58] Well, people have done studies of this, and somewhere between a third and 40 percent think [1:43:03] they don't trust our system of government anymore. [1:43:05] And so this is a time of maximum cynicism, which he is part of and also inflaming. [1:43:09] JUDY WOODRUFF. [1:43:10] JUDY WOODRUFF. [1:43:11] And we have been seeing people at his rallies, Mark, in recent days, say they won't accept [1:43:16] or they may not accept the results of the election. [1:43:18] MARK SHIELDS, The President, The President, The President, The President, The President, [1:43:19] How serious do you see this? [1:43:20] MARK SHIELDS, The President, The President, The President, The President, The President, [1:43:21] I think it is serious. [1:43:22] I think it's the lead. [1:43:23] There's no question of it. [1:43:24] We have never had a president do that before. [1:43:26] I mean, I was in Washington when the moment of maximum constitutional crisis, when Richard Nixon [1:43:33] left the presidency, there were no tanks in the streets. [1:43:36] There were no rifles. [1:43:37] It was peaceable. [1:43:38] It was peaceful. [1:43:39] It was lawful. [1:43:41] And Gerald Ford became president. [1:43:44] What Trump... [1:43:45] What's wrong with Trump here is, he's stepping on his basic message. [1:43:49] His basic message is, I'm the strong guy. [1:43:51] I'm the guy. [1:43:52] And now, oh, poor little me. [1:43:55] Woe is me. [1:43:56] They have rigged it on me. [1:43:58] So it's the strong man as whiner. [1:44:01] I mean, it's just a terrible message, and it doesn't work politically. [1:44:06] But I think it is a... [1:44:08] And I will look at it at the time, as Stephen A. Douglas conceded to Abraham Lincoln after [1:44:17] a bitter campaign and said, you are my president. [1:44:20] God bless you. [1:44:21] And I mean, there was such a small, small mind and man. [1:44:26] You know, if it weren't for that quote, I think the other one that would be leading tonight [1:44:33] would be early on when the question about the Supreme Court and who would be appointed [1:44:39] to the Supreme Court by each of these candidates. [1:44:41] And Donald Trump conceded the fact that he's going to not just appoint pro-life justices, [1:44:46] but that he expects them to overturn Roe vs. Wade. [1:44:50] That would be... [1:44:51] Again, if this were any other campaign, if we were on parallel Earth 2 in a normal kind [1:44:57] of campaign, that would have been a really amazing statement. [1:45:01] And, again, this is for a candidate who is doing very badly with women candidates, especially [1:45:06] suburban women. [1:45:08] That is the kind of statement that just makes his ability to dig himself out of the hole [1:45:13] he's in very, very tough. [1:45:14] JUDY WOODRUFF, I was going to say, I will come back to you in a minute. [1:45:17] Our John Yang, NewsHour's John Yang, is at the debate site at the University of Nevada, [1:45:22] Las Vegas. [1:45:23] John, you're in the spin room. [1:45:24] You have been trying to catch up with people speaking for both campaigns. [1:45:28] What are you hearing? [1:45:30] JOHN YANG, University of Nevada, University of Nevada, Las Vegas. [1:45:31] Judy, I tell you, I have just spoken to a number of people from the Clinton campaign, [1:45:34] not only here in the spin room, but by e-mail. [1:45:36] The two moments that they single out in this debate were both Donald Trump moments, one [1:45:42] where he, as you have been talking about, said he would not pledge to accept the outcome [1:45:47] of the election. [1:45:48] And then also when he would not acknowledge or would not accept the U.S. intelligence assessment [1:45:54] that Russia is behind the hacks, the WikiLeaks hacks. [1:45:59] They say this shows that he's unfit for office. [1:46:01] Now, when I also asked them that, in all three debates, it seems to that their message has [1:46:07] been that the negative message against Donald Trump, essentially that Hillary Clinton should [1:46:13] be elected because she's not Donald Trump. [1:46:16] I asked if she had made the positive message for herself. [1:46:20] They all pointed to the closing statement, which was not planned, as you heard. [1:46:25] But they also say that the pivot starts now, that, in these debates, because of what Donald [1:46:30] Trump has done, they had to make that. [1:46:32] They had to go after him because of what he was doing. [1:46:36] They say that, from now on, on the campaign trail, for the next few weeks or the couple [1:46:42] of weeks, the closing argument is going to be a positive one, presenting what Hillary Clinton [1:46:48] will do as president, if she's elected, making the positive argument for her, rather than [1:46:54] the negative argument against Donald Trump. [1:46:57] AMNA NAWAZ, All right. [1:46:58] John, who has been talking, as we heard, to Clinton and to Trump, representatives there in [1:47:04] the spin room at Las Vegas, David Brooks, did you hear Hillary Clinton doing that, making [1:47:10] that pivot from making the case against Donald Trump to saying, here's why I'm the right person? [1:47:15] MARK SHIELDS, All right. [1:47:16] No. [1:47:17] You know, I think she does... [1:47:18] Well, I will give Mark 20 yards at the 100-yard field. [1:47:22] She does devolve into cliché and stereotypical thought when asked to make the causative case. [1:47:28] And her best answers are attacks at him. [1:47:31] I think she has got some indignation that she's facing this guy, an indignation about some of [1:47:36] the things he said and his treatment toward women. [1:47:38] In many ways, her entire life has been in defense of women's rights. [1:47:42] And here comes, at the climax of her political life, her electoral life, a guy who seems [1:47:46] to her a threat and an insult to all that. [1:47:48] And so she's rightfully indignant. [1:47:50] Has she made a positive case for herself? [1:47:53] I think not. [1:47:54] But that's in part because it's in both their interests right now to make him the center [1:47:57] of attention. [1:47:59] And he... [1:48:00] She could have had a very bad day today. [1:48:02] These video clips of her loose campaign staff allegedly saying they're fomenting violence [1:48:06] and doing some voter fraud. [1:48:07] So it could have been a terrible day for her, and yet he made himself the center, even of [1:48:12] his own remarks. [1:48:13] JUDY WOODRUFF, he did on several... at several points. [1:48:15] Our colleague, Lisa Desjardins, is in our newsroom upstairs who has been looking at some [1:48:22] what we call the fact check. [1:48:23] Lisa, what did you discover? [1:48:25] LISA DESJARDINS, Well, you know, one of the headlines of this debate that might not get [1:48:28] as much attention is the amount of policy that was discussed tonight. [1:48:31] It was certainly the most that I think we have seen in this presidential election. [1:48:34] And we want to look at some of the facts around those policies. [1:48:37] Up near the top, we heard a lot about guns and the Second Amendment. [1:48:40] And Hillary Clinton made a claim. [1:48:42] She claimed that in this country, some 33,000 people are killed by guns, die from gun injuries [1:48:48] a year. [1:48:49] We checked that. [1:48:50] And according to the CDC, the latest available data shows she's right. [1:48:54] Just over 33,000 people are killed from firearms. [1:48:57] But we really need to add some context, because 63%, almost two-thirds of those firearm deaths [1:49:05] are suicides, not homicides. [1:49:07] Also, it's interesting to know about that number. [1:49:10] That's approximately as many people who are killed in car crashes in this country as well. [1:49:15] Additionally, the U.S. gun death rate is about 25 times higher than the similar rates in similar [1:49:22] high-income countries. [1:49:23] All right. [1:49:24] How about a claim from Donald Trump? [1:49:25] We heard a lot about the economy. [1:49:27] Donald Trump claims that the U.S. economy is stagnant. [1:49:30] He used that word exactly. [1:49:32] Well, if you look at the numbers, GDP was up to almost 2.5% last year. [1:49:38] Last month, this is the report that Donald Trump cited, the country gained 156,000 jobs. [1:49:44] So that certainly is not stagnant. [1:49:46] There is an increase. [1:49:47] But it is below the ideal and even below what economists like to see, which is 3% GDP growth. [1:49:53] So he may have been right when he said, anemic, not stagnant. [1:49:57] Job growth, as Mark Shields said, a bland, predictable piece of prose, but an important [1:50:01] piece of policy. [1:50:02] JUDY WOODRUFF, thank you, Lisa, for keeping track of all that and a lot more during the [1:50:06] debate. [1:50:07] Mark, at this stage in the campaign with less than three weeks to go, how much do these [1:50:11] things matter, whether you get the exact description right on the economy or not? [1:50:16] MARK ZUCKERBERG, Makeupolo Rivera III case of Donald Trump dotTER T41, the United States [1:50:18] annual report, they matter. [1:50:19] And everybody's decision, Judy. [1:50:21] And the decision process is very personal. [1:50:24] But I think the decision has been made. [1:50:26] And just one point where Hillary did get in trouble in April of this year, if you recall, [1:50:33] when she said an unborn person doesn't have any constitutional rights, and she was attacked [1:50:38] by Planned Parenthood for saying that, because you have to use the language, which is fetus. [1:50:44] And it's interesting, she's gone from the time when abortion was safe, legal and rare. [1:50:49] Now the Democratic position is, abortion shall be available. [1:50:53] I mean, it's a... [1:50:55] The rare part has been dropped totally from the Democratic rhetoric, I think it's fair [1:51:01] to say. [1:51:02] She was an ardent, really unfettered pro-choice advocate tonight. [1:51:08] And she has been criticized by some of the pro-choice groups in the past for talking [1:51:12] about the personhood of an unborn... [1:51:15] GEN. [1:51:16] One thing, we... [1:51:17] Presidential candidates used to say that, oh, I'm not going to impose a litmus test here. [1:51:22] And that was actually a very valuable thing to say, because it did protect or at least [1:51:26] make a pretense that the judiciary is about the Constitution, and it's not strictly a political [1:51:30] office. [1:51:31] And that idea that we don't have a litmus test, that's gone. [1:51:34] LISA DESJARDINS- Right. [1:51:35] GEN. [1:51:36] GEN. [1:51:37] JUDY WOODRUFF, which has been going on for quite a while. [1:51:39] She is going to pick people who are going to stand with her on Citizens United. [1:51:42] And the decision there, and he's going to pick people who stand on abortion rights. [1:51:47] JUDY WOODRUFF, Amy, we did hear, as Lisa said, a lot more about policy tonight. [1:51:50] Chris Wallace made a point of ticking off those six subject areas, entitlements and debt. [1:51:57] Did we learn anything new from these candidates? [1:52:00] AMY WALTER- No, we really didn't. [1:52:01] Well, again, this is hard for somebody who's been following this all year. [1:52:05] So I recognize most normal people do not sit and listen to the candidate speeches all the time. [1:52:09] JUDY WOODRUFF, more than a year? [1:52:11] AMY WALTER- It's felt like 100 years, this campaign. [1:52:13] So I recognize that. [1:52:15] But we kind of come back to where we started in discussing this debate, [1:52:20] which is, there's still not a lot of substance there with Donald Trump. [1:52:23] It's a lot of the same talking points, but you're not really getting much more, much more than that. [1:52:30] Hillary Clinton, I felt like, did tick through some of the talking points that she usually hits on. [1:52:36] But I do feel like Donald Trump had the opportunity in this case to give more details about the economy. [1:52:43] And looking at the polling, it's the one issue where people say they trust him more than Hillary [1:52:47] Clinton. [1:52:48] And yet, when he had the chance, when the economy was literally teed up to him, he pivoted back to [1:52:55] explain himself and the attack that Hillary Clinton made on him about missiles and nuclear weapons. [1:53:02] And so, any time, even on the issue that is supposedly in his wheelhouse, he had a hard time making that case. [1:53:09] JUDY WOODRUFF, I thought that happened a couple of different, several different times, [1:53:12] where she was able, because of the way she phrased something, to, frankly, get under his skin. [1:53:16] JUDY WOODRUFF, she did. [1:53:17] JUDY WOODRUFF, and to get him and to goad him into probably something he didn't mean to talk about. [1:53:22] MARK SHIELDS, President, President of the United States, the United States, the United States, [1:53:27] what I was doing those 30 years and what you were doing. [1:53:30] And I think it did bother him, Judy. [1:53:34] I think there was another problem that Trump had tonight, and that is the denigration of America [1:53:39] and its leadership. [1:53:40] Our country has no idea. [1:53:41] We're losers. [1:53:43] You know, it's one thing to criticize policy and policy decisions. [1:53:47] But, boy, I mean, he makes it sound like, you know, the United States has done nothing right. [1:53:53] And, you know, I just, you know, I think that country has no idea. [1:53:58] You know, I think it has no political salience or appeal. [1:54:03] MARK SHIELDS, President, President of the United States, I think I disagree with that. [1:54:04] MARK SHIELDS, President of the United States, That's been his secret sauce all year, [1:54:07] and that there are the level of anger, the level of disgust, the level of deep, deep pessimism, [1:54:12] is that's why we have Donald Trump. [1:54:15] And so he's closing with what his... [1:54:17] I mean, he closed his debate comments tonight with his strongest case. [1:54:20] MARK SHIELDS, President of the United States, I'm different. [1:54:21] MARK SHIELDS, President of the United States, It's a primary argument. [1:54:22] MARK SHIELDS, President of the United States, It's a primary argument. [1:54:22] MARK SHIELDS, President of the United States, It's not a general argument. [1:54:23] JUDY WOODRUFF, So let's, for the final minute and a half that we have left, [1:54:27] Amy, where does this campaign go from here? [1:54:29] AMY WALTER, Well, I... [1:54:30] MARK SHIELDS, President of the United States, 19 days left? [1:54:32] AMY WALTER, Well, 19 now, 19 days left. [1:54:33] Remember, 2 million people have already voted. [1:54:35] So, this debate, we talk about changing minds, are there undecided voters. [1:54:39] A lot of folks have already cast their ballots before this debate. [1:54:42] I think what this debate reminded us is that the candidates really are doubling [1:54:49] and tripling down on their overall closing arguments. [1:54:52] For Trump, it's that his base is more important than expanding his ceiling. [1:54:56] He's going to continue to make the same case he's made in the primaries throughout the general, [1:55:00] even though it only appeals to a narrow slice of Americans. [1:55:03] Hillary Clinton is going to continue to make Donald Trump the focus, [1:55:06] but also try to make sure that he doesn't get any expansion. [1:55:13] JUDY WOODRUFF, 20 seconds. [1:55:14] MARK SHIELDS, President of the United States, It was the last great moment. [1:55:16] The rest of it is parallel skiing. [1:55:18] And this was the intersection. [1:55:20] This was his chance to change the race. [1:55:22] And he didn't do it tonight. [1:55:23] MARK SHIELDS, President of the United States, And will Mike Pence agree? [1:55:26] Will he reiterate that he's going to support the election results no matter what? [1:55:29] MARK SHIELDS, President of the United States, To see how their positions evolve over the next [1:55:32] few days on that question will be interesting. [1:55:33] AMY WALTER, Every Republican candidate will be asked that tomorrow. [1:55:37] JUDY WOODRUFF, And Mike Pence was asked it tonight, I'm guessing. [1:55:41] So we will find out what he had to say. [1:55:43] Amy Walter, David Brooks, Mark Shields, we thank you all. [1:55:46] And that wraps up our coverage of this final presidential debate of the election. [1:55:50] As always, there is much more online. You can watch highlights at PBS.org slash NewsHour. [1:55:57] Plus, you can watch those fact checks from our NewsHour team. [1:56:00] I'm Judy Woodruff. And do join us right back here for the NewsHour tomorrow evening. [1:56:04] For all of us at the PBS NewsHour family. Thank you, and good night. 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