About this transcript: This is a full AI-generated transcript of House committee holds hearing with vaccine science critics from PBS NewsHour, published June 15, 2026. The transcript contains 29,028 words with timestamps and was generated using Whisper AI.
"RNA injection and hid that fact from the public our second hearing allowed witnesses who have been impacted by vaccine injuries and fatal infectious diseases to tell their stories the news media is all too willing to highlight a new outbreak of an infectious disease but is loath to broadcast what..."
[0:00] RNA injection and hid that fact from the public our second hearing allowed witnesses who have been
[0:06] impacted by vaccine injuries and fatal infectious diseases to tell their stories the news media is
[0:13] all too willing to highlight a new outbreak of an infectious disease but is loath to broadcast
[0:19] what they generally describe as quote rare and mild unquote vaccine injuries as a result the
[0:25] vaccine injured have been ignored and abandoned in September 2024 I held a public roundtable
[0:33] discussion titled American Health and Nutrition a second opinion that highlighted America's alarming
[0:39] rate of chronic illness Dr. Chris Palmer a psychiatrist who studies the impact of nutrition
[0:45] on mental health testified when it comes to chronic illness quote they do not want root causes to be
[0:52] discovered unquote by they I assume Dr. Palmer was referring to the powerful entities and individuals
[1:00] whose multi-billion dollar businesses and organizational interests would be disrupted by the
[1:05] knowledge that the products they produce or promote could cause harm they certainly don't want the
[1:12] public to know the root cause if it's one of their products and they're willing to go to great lengths
[1:16] by spending billions of dollars in advertising and lobbyists to keep the public from even asking the
[1:22] question much less finding the answer the purpose of these hearings is to force the acknowledgement
[1:29] of reality exactly what all the realities and truths are I cannot say what I can say for sure is that we
[1:36] have been lied to repeatedly and that in order to restore public faith in federal agencies integrity
[1:42] must return to science we must also have open minds and be willing to face the truth it's been
[1:49] interesting to see the media's reaction to our previous hearings except for a few highly biased attack
[1:55] pieces the legacy media has largely ignored where I consider to be highly informative hearings perhaps
[2:02] they are taking advice from Senator Blumenthal who hours before our last hearing voices of the vaccine
[2:08] injured hill a press conference and was reported to have stated quote I hope nothing comes of this
[2:13] hearing I hope people don't pay attention because it isn't deserving of credibility and attention
[2:19] however during that hearing Senator Blumenthal stated quote I am heartbroken to hear these stories
[2:25] it makes me want to do something unquote so maybe hearing true incredible stories of accident injuries
[2:32] actually did deserve attention I certainly believe today's testimony deserves attention and hope it will
[2:38] prompt us to do something to restore credibility and integrity to science and our federal health
[2:44] agencies Senator Blumenthal thank you Mr. Chairman uh welcome to everyone whether you agree or disagree
[2:56] this hearing is not personal between Senator Johnson or myself between any of you and the witnesses
[3:04] this hearing is about quote unquote the corruption of science and I agree we are witnessing the
[3:13] corruption of science it's happening before our eyes in real time maybe more accurately it should be
[3:21] entitled the denial and degrading of science when the senate confirmed director of the cdc is fired because
[3:30] she refuses to fire officials or approve unscientific vaccine guidance without evidence that is corruption of science
[3:41] when the indisputable determination that greenhouse gases pose a threat to human health is rescinded and
[3:48] clean energy projects are cancelled in favor of pollution heavy coal that is corruption of science when the cdc's
[3:57] measles risk forecast is suppressed in the middle of the worst measles outbreak in decades that is corruption of science
[4:08] overriding ongoing corruption of science is to deny or spawn doubt about safe and effective vaccines that discourages people
[4:23] from making use of them to save lives and keep our kids healthy the trump administration's corruption of science is
[4:31] unprecedented in our country's history our committee has analyzed the ways in which the trump administration has
[4:41] interfered interfered with science in just the first eight months and found 57 separate
[4:49] discrete instances of corruption of science and if there's no objection i'd like this staff memorandum
[4:58] to be entered into the record mr chairman about objection since president trump took office in january
[5:05] secretary kennedy and other administration officials have silenced scientists halted research
[5:10] crippled our public health infrastructure and politicized institutions that were once renowned around
[5:18] the world for adherence to nonpartisan science-based recommendations and they've also demonized vaccines
[5:28] and taken steps that will make it harder for americans to access them depriving americans of basic public
[5:37] health tools less than two weeks ago president trump fired cdc director susan myras barely a month after she
[5:46] was confirmed by this body united states senate because she refused to go along with secretary kennedy's demands
[5:55] about changing vaccination policy this administration not only wants to consult people who will tell it what it
[6:04] wants to hear but it denies others who have accurate fact-based words that should be heard that is not science it is
[6:19] zealotry it is an obsessive distortion of facts and a adherence to conspiracy theories over science secretary
[6:36] kennedy is creating a public health system that puts allegiance to his dogma over health and safety
[6:42] just last week more than 1 000 present and former hhs employees wrote an open letter calling for him to
[6:52] step down stating that he is quote endangering the nation's health by spreading inaccurate health
[7:00] information end quote without objection mr chairman i'd like to enter that letter into the right objection
[7:08] i certainly concur with their conclusion a charlatan like rfk jr has no place in the government or anywhere
[7:15] else near public health i am deeply fearful of the consequences for our country if he remains in charge
[7:24] and unscientific rhetoric corruption of science continue to rule the day and perpetuated by people in
[7:36] leadership positions so i have some questions how many preventable diseases will become out of control
[7:45] because people cannot or will be discouraged from getting vaccines how many advances in science and
[7:53] medicine will we miss out on because the nih is cut in funding and research is impeded how many public
[8:08] health workers will lose their jobs public health workers who could save lives and health i deeply fear
[8:18] for the future of public health in this country because of the corruption of science on august 8th the gunman
[8:28] fired nearly 200 rounds of ammunition into the cdc's headquarters in atlanta allegedly over his anger
[8:35] about the covet 19 vaccine one heroic police officer tragically lost his life dr robert malone one of the
[8:47] new members of the advisory committee on immunization or asip appointed by secretary kennedy after he fired
[8:55] all of the city members made multiple statements that appear to threaten violence against scientists and
[9:03] public officials before and after that shooting this is an image that dr malone posted this image just
[9:17] hours before the shooting a revolver loaded with a single bullet and the words quote five out of six
[9:24] scientists have proven that russian roulette is harmless this was apparently not enough for dr malone
[9:33] because less than 48 hours after the shooting had occurred he posted several other violent images
[9:40] including one apparently threatening politician and one seen here with an image of an automatic
[9:51] weapon with the words quote the second amendment was not written in case the deer turn against us
[9:59] i wrote to secretary kennedy in the wake of these posts and demanded a fire dr malone i would like my
[10:08] letter of august 13th to secretary kennedy be entered in the record if there's no objection objection
[10:14] chairman johnson i would ask you to join me in my demand that dr malone be fired violence and violent rhetoric
[10:25] should not be tolerated that is corruption of science rhetoric has consequences misinformation
[10:35] has consequences and the failure to respect real science will deprive all americans of treatments and
[10:42] cures and before my time is up mr chairman i want to acknowledge the study that will be discussed by the
[10:50] majority at this hearing citing the fact that one deeply flawed study was not published as evidence of
[10:58] a cover-up ignores the thousands of others contradicting its findings in fact as you probably know there have
[11:09] been 3000 published studies of vaccines 1000 since 2020 showing vaccines are safe and effective the estimate
[11:23] is that thousands of lives have been saved by vaccines and illnesses prevented i'm looking forward to hearing
[11:33] from dr jake scott an infectious disease specialist from stamford by the way the only doctor on this panel
[11:44] and why no reputable journal would or should publish that study it pains me frankly it pains me that
[11:54] unscientific studies like this one are being promoted in this committee purporting to be scientific fact
[12:03] and i fear that this kind of hearing will only undermine our already shaken public health system but in the
[12:13] meantime i want to thank all of the public health workers at the federal and state level who continue
[12:21] to do your job day in and day out despite the discouraging atmosphere here in washington and in some cases
[12:30] despite these kinds of intolerable threats that should merit the firing of dr malone thank you mr chairman
[12:41] i think you see there's a slight difference of opinion here on the panel um i would ask that
[12:49] we enter into the record the study impact of childhood vaccination on short and long-term chronic health
[12:55] outcomes in children both birth cohort study uh by the henry ford health system in detroit michigan
[13:02] asset being in the record without objection i would also ask that we have actually have dr malone in the audience
[13:09] today and we'll see whether you know what what opportunity we afford him to defend himself but
[13:13] in the meantime i i would ask that his uh basically resume his cv be entered in the record as well
[13:19] because senator blumenthal has termed him unqualified for the position which i i completely disagree with
[13:26] here's his cv you might even take a copy um it is the tradition of this committee to swear and witnesses
[13:34] so will you all three rise and raise your right hand you start the testimony you'll get before this
[13:43] committee would be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god thank you
[13:48] this ought to be a interesting discussion uh before we turn to the witnesses uh in preparation of this
[13:54] hearing i became aware of the fact that a full-length documentary is being prepared basically talking
[14:01] about uh how this study was proposed how it was conducted uh and i asked the producers of that it's
[14:09] produced by the informed consent action network uh mr serious represents that that organization
[14:16] i asked uh i can to put together a five-minute video uh representative of what they're going
[14:21] to be discussing as they tell the story of this uh this withheld uh study so can we run that video now
[14:30] children struggling every day with adhd scott's allergies made it hard to keep up with his friends
[14:35] allergic reactions from accidental food exposure moderate to severe eczema
[14:39] osteoporosis rheumatoid arthritis the health of american children is in crisis more than 40 percent
[14:51] of american children now have at least one chronic health condition autoimmune disease like rheumatoid
[14:56] arthritis you know diabetes lupus crohn's disease all this ibs just a few decades ago one in 10 000
[15:04] children had autism today it's one in 31. 80 adhd special language usually ticks terence syndrome
[15:11] narcolepsy sleep disorders there's no way in the world these kind of rapid increases in the incidence of
[15:17] disease could be genetic genetic change takes generations centuries to play out what the heck is
[15:23] happening what is happening chronic disease has gone from 12.8 percent in our children in the 1980s
[15:32] to over 54 percent of our kids now that's the greatest decline in human health that's ever been
[15:38] recorded and people say how do you know it's not the pesticides sprayed all over our crops or the
[15:43] hormones in our beef or plastics or forever chemicals but when we're talking about an autoimmune
[15:48] disease crisis which is what's happening in america shouldn't we look closest at the one product
[15:55] that's designed to alter our immune system for life and we don't just inject it one time or two times
[16:01] or 10 times or 15 times or 20 times or 50 times 72 times we are altering the immune system for our
[16:08] children with our vaccine program there'd be one easy study to rule it out compare vaccinated children
[16:15] to completely unvaccinated children but we don't know because they've never done the study the cdc's
[16:22] responsibility to do those studies and they've been ordered again and again and again to do them and
[16:28] they have refused this is information that vaccine safety advocates want and i'm not sure why it
[16:34] hasn't been done what we would need is a scientist that the cdc could trust they would have to be a
[16:40] passionately pro vaccine highly accredited group of scientists willing to do a super robust retrospective
[16:48] vaccinated versus unvaccinated comparative study as fate would have it del met the head of infectious
[16:56] disease at henry ford health system marcus zervos dr zervos is the perfect epidemiologist for the
[17:03] study he's incredibly pro vaccine and he's also used to being in high profile cases because he was the
[17:09] center of the flint michigan water investigation dr service only agreed to do this study to prove us
[17:16] wrong del and i thought that was an excellent opportunity we only had one request whatever the outcome you
[17:24] publish it he said whatever the results they get published would he stick to that promise if the
[17:32] results show that unvaccinated kids are healthier impact of childhood vaccination on short and long
[17:48] term chronic health outcomes in children a birth cohort study i've never seen this study before 18 468
[17:56] subjects henry ford like other institutions has a bias towards the goodness of vaccines if the results
[18:05] came back demonstrating that the battery of vaccines was associated with chronic diseases such a
[18:12] result would be particularly convincing this could be essentially one of the most valuable studies in
[18:17] the field the vaccinated subjects were over four times more likely to have an asthma diagnosis 600
[18:26] percent more acute and chronic ear infections 4.47 times the amount of speech disorders in the vaccinated
[18:34] compared to the unvaccinated five and a half time risk 616 increase learning issues developmental delays
[18:43] speech delays language delays amongst the unvaccinated group there were zero there was zero brain dysfunction
[18:50] zero diabetes zero behavioral problems zero learning disabilities zero intellectual disabilities zero
[18:58] tics and zero other psychological disabilities none it's a big difference very important this study
[19:05] sees the light of day this is devastating this paper should have rushed to publication on an emergency basis we
[19:13] are systematically making kids sick and not just a little bit sick very sick this may be the most important
[19:19] study that has ever been done and it needs to be published he knows if he puts his name on this his career is over
[19:25] our first witness is mr aaron siri mr siri is a managing partner of syrian glimstad with over 85
[19:42] professionals he's handled numerous high-profile cases involving challenges to medical mandates
[19:46] restoring exemptions agency transparency including forcing fda to release the covet 19 vaccine licensure
[19:53] documents and disposing immunologists infectious disease doctors and vaccinologists mr siri thank you senator
[20:07] leading up to 2013 the institute of medicine was commissioned by the united states department of health
[20:15] human services to review the entire body of existing scientific literature to assess the safety of the
[20:23] cdc's childhood schedule as a whole hh has paid the iom to do that after the iom engaged in that task with a
[20:32] panel of multidisciplinary scientists it concluded quote the studies designed to examine the long-term effects
[20:40] of the cumulative number of vaccines or other aspects of the immunization schedule
[20:44] have not been conducted have not been conducted end quote that's the institute of medicine's finding
[20:51] after reviewing the entire body of scientific literature meaning the iom could not find studies
[20:58] comparing as you would do to study the safety of a product an exposed group meaning kids that got vaccines
[21:04] the childhood schedule with unvaccinated children kids who got no vaccines which is what you would need to
[21:11] assess the safety of the schedule lacking evidence to support safety the best the iom can conclude was
[21:17] quote there is no evidence that the schedule is not safe end quote this of course also means the iom
[21:24] cannot find evidence to conclude that the schedule is safe the iom report did say it is quote possible to
[21:34] make the comparison meaning through vaccinated unvaccinated children through analyses of patient information
[21:40] contained in large databases such as the vaccine safety data link end quote which used to be housed
[21:44] at the cdc but to date the government has still not conducted this comparison by the way the cdc conducted
[21:52] published a white paper in 2015 on how to do that study has it been done i don't know has been published no
[22:00] in 2017 one of our clients senator johnson said earlier the informed consent action network wanted to see
[22:09] this exact study of comparing vaccinated versus unvaccinated children as the trailer you just
[22:16] watched noted del bigtree i can't ceo had met dr marcus service at one point who was the head of infectious
[22:24] disease at henry ford medical center and he agreed to meet and to potentially do the study he is a
[22:34] conducts clinical trials for vaccines including for the moderna coven 19 vaccine he's a validly pro vaccine
[22:40] and when we met him we argued that this was an opportunity to shut the anti-vaxxers up about
[22:46] their claim that unvaccinated children are healthier to our surprise dr zerva said he would
[22:52] conduct the study he recruited a chief epidemiologist and two statisticians within henry ford to do so
[22:58] these were mainstream scientists who no doubt held orthodox views regarding vaccines in early 2020 i
[23:04] received a copy of the study it showed the results of the analysis comparing children enrolled in henry ford
[23:10] from 2000 to 2016 from birth onward who had no vaccines compared to those who had one or more
[23:16] vaccines the study was based on actual medical records meaning finally a large vaccinated versus
[23:23] unvaccinated study using health data from a major united states health institution something as the iom
[23:28] pointed out never existed before the study began by explaining it set out to reduce vaccine hesitancy
[23:36] by assuring parents the cdc vaccine schedule is safe instead what these researchers found was
[23:44] that vaccinated children had 4.29 times the rate of asthma 3.03 times the rate of atopic disease 5.96
[23:54] times the rate of autoimmune disease and 5.53 times the rate of neurodevelopmental disorders which
[24:00] included 3.28 times the rate of developmental delay and 4.47 times the rate of speech disorder all of these
[24:08] findings were statistically significant there was also other conditions for which there were numerous
[24:14] cases in the vaccinated group but zero in the unvaccinated group hence a rate cannot be calculated
[24:20] including brain dysfunction adhd learning disabilities intellectual disabilities and ticks for example there
[24:25] were 262 cases of adhd in the vaccinated group and there were none in the unvaccinated group in this
[24:30] study there were around 16 000 kids in the vaccine group by the way and around 2 000 in the unvaccinated group
[24:36] so the rate of course between those is important and that's what the study compared these findings
[24:41] were troubling including because these chronic health issues can be caused by immune system
[24:45] dysregulation and vaccines can cause immune system dysregulation citations for this are in my written
[24:51] submission overall the study found that after 10 years 17 of the unvaccinated children had a chronic
[24:58] health issue while 57 of the vaccinated children had at least one chronic health issue often multiple
[25:05] that's 17 versus 57 the only real problem with this study and why it didn't get submitted for publication
[25:14] is that its findings did not fit the belief and the policy that vaccines are safe had it found
[25:20] vaccinated children were healthier it no doubt would have been published immediately but because it
[25:26] found the opposite it was shoved in a draw we have repeatedly urged dr zervos and lamoretta to submit the
[25:33] study publication they have affirmed the study was well designed and conducted but dr zervos has said he
[25:40] doesn't want to lose his job and dr lamoretta has said she does not want to make doctors uncomfortable
[25:46] this is a real world example of how the science around vaccines gets corrupted how only studies that
[25:52] confirm the beliefs and policies that vaccines are safe get published everything else gets shoved in a
[25:58] draw this selection bias is dangerous and results in corrupting all the science concerning vaccine safety
[26:06] we can protect children from infectious disease and we can protect children from vaccine harms we
[26:14] should and we must do both thank you mr siri our next witness is dr toby rogers dr rogers is a fellow
[26:22] at the brownstone institute for social and economic research he has a phd in political economy from the
[26:27] university of sydney and a master in public policy from uc berkeley his research focuses on regulatory
[26:33] capture and corruption in the pharmaceutical industry mr roberts good afternoon chairman johnson
[26:42] ranking member blumenthal and members of the permanent subcommittee on july 4th 2015 my then
[26:49] partner's son was diagnosed as being on the autism spectrum i was in a phd program in political economy
[26:56] at the university of sydney where i had access to almost all current scientific and medical journals
[27:02] i wanted to better understand what was happening so i went to the cdc's web page on the causes of
[27:08] autism as a phd student i was trained to focus on primary source documents so i read all the
[27:16] references in their footnotes to my surprise i quickly discovered the cdc's narrative did not add
[27:23] up claims that autism is genetic don't make sense because autism prevalence was rising too fast there's
[27:30] no such thing as a genetic epidemic then the cdc blamed valproic acid a treatment for epilepsy that is
[27:37] contraindicated in pregnancy and thalidomide which was never approved for use in the united states
[27:43] finally the cdc pointed to advanced parental age but the odds ratios were modest and the increase
[27:50] in the proportion of older parents is insufficient to explain the surge in autism prevalence furthermore
[27:57] the cost of autism was already in the hundreds of billions of dollars a year in the u.s
[28:02] and yet government was not responding with a sense of urgency i changed my doctoral thesis topic to the
[28:10] political economy of autism and spent the next four years reading and analyzing nearly everything
[28:15] that's been written on autism prevalence causation and cost in 2019 my thesis passed rigorous external
[28:23] peer review it's now in the top 10 of the most downloaded doctoral research papers in the history of
[28:29] the university of sydney since then i've continued my research with children's health defense
[28:35] as an independent journalist and as a fellow at brownstone institute here are the facts in 1970 the
[28:42] first autism prevalence study in the u.s found an autism rate of less than one in 10 000 children
[28:48] according to a study by the epa sometime around 1987 the autism rate in the u.s began to skyrocket
[28:55] the most recent report from the cdc showed that one in 31 eight-year-old children in the u.s in 2022
[29:02] were on the autism spectrum that's a 32 158 increase in the last 52 years two massive studies from the best
[29:12] epidemiologists in california show that changes in diagnostic criteria only explain a small fraction
[29:17] of the rise in autism prevalence there are 22 studies that claim that vaccines don't cause autism
[29:26] none of these studies have a completely unvaccinated control group so unfortunately if you want to
[29:31] understand what's causing the autism epidemic these studies are of no use then there are five large
[29:37] genetic research projects agree ssc asc missing and spark together they produce 501 published papers
[29:47] the search for the gene for autism has consumed over 2.3 billion dollars and researchers have almost
[29:54] nothing to show for it because genes don't suddenly create epidemics the human genome just doesn't
[29:59] change that fast then there are four large epigenetic research projects so genes in the environment
[30:06] charge marbles seed and early combined they produce 437 publications that look at the effects of air
[30:13] pollution pesticides fluorinated substances pcbs nutritional factors flame retardants maternal metabolic
[30:21] conditions and volatile organic compounds none of these studies control for vaccines is a possible
[30:27] covariate or confounder so it's impossible to know the true impact of these variables the critical
[30:34] missing piece in autism research is vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies thankfully there are now six
[30:40] good studies that we can rely on unfortunately these studies have been systematically suppressed and
[30:47] ignored by the mainstream media and the medical establishment two studies by gallagher and goodman show
[30:53] that the birth dose of hepatitis b vaccine significantly increases autism risk three studies by anthony
[31:00] mawson confirmed that vaccination increases the odds of developing autism by at least 4.2 fold preterm birth
[31:10] coupled with vaccination increases the odds of neural developmental disability by more than 12-fold
[31:15] compared to preterm birth without vaccination and finally a study by hooker and miller published in 2021
[31:21] found that vaccination increases autism risk five-fold vaccination in the absence of breastfeeding increases
[31:28] autism risk 12.5 fold vaccination in addition to c-section birth increases autism risk 18.7 fold after
[31:37] conducting the systematic review of a thousand studies my belief is that the autism and chronic disease
[31:42] epidemics are primarily caused by toxicants mostly from vaccines and about a dozen additional toxicants
[31:50] if we stop exposing children to these hazards in the first place that would stop the epidemics of chronic
[31:55] illness and children now we must summon the political will to act thank you thank you dr rogers our final
[32:03] witness is dr jake scott dr scott is a board certified infectious disease physician and clinical associate
[32:09] professor at stanford university school of medicine he attended the university of vermont college of
[32:14] medicine he currently provides inpatient and outpatient care for general infectious diseases
[32:18] dr scott chairman johnson ranking member blumenthal and members of the subcommittee thank you
[32:27] sincerely for the opportunity to testify it is a true privilege to be here my name is jake scott and i'm
[32:33] an infectious diseases physician at stanford i've spent my career treating patients and evaluating medical
[32:41] evidence the focus on vaccine safety and efficacy i have no financial conflicts of interest my vaccine
[32:50] research is either self-funded or supported by stanford university since april i've co-led an international team
[32:57] building what we believe is the most comprehensive database of vaccine trials ever assembled we set
[33:04] out to answer a fundamental question what does the complete trial record actually show about vaccine
[33:11] testing we've catalogued 1088 randomized control trials from 1941 to 2025 involving over 10.5 million
[33:24] participants every entry is publicly verifiable through pubmed links the entire database is openly accessible
[33:31] anyone with internet access can verify our findings this is what transparency looks like our findings
[33:39] directly refute false claims about vaccine testing we documented 661 trials using inert placebo controls
[33:46] saline sterile water or other biologically inactive substances of these 503
[33:53] studies involved antigens that routine childhood vaccines are based on most importantly we confirmed
[34:00] that all 16 antigens routinely recommended for children have been studied in placebo control trials
[34:06] every single one the claim that childhood vaccines haven't been tested against placebos is demonstrably
[34:12] false i'm also a senior researcher on a systematic review analyzing respiratory virus immunizations published
[34:19] over the last two years 590 studies from over 17 000 identified references that we screened
[34:27] through the vaccine integrity project our safety monitoring systems work they detected interception
[34:33] with rhoda shield and one in ten thousand the vaccine was withdrawn they caught johnson and johnson
[34:38] blood clots at three per million when early myocarditis reports emerged cdc proactively alerted
[34:44] clinicians to enhance surveillance before the signal was confirmed within weeks the risk was quantified
[34:49] communicated and incorporated into guidance these systems detect events as rare as one in a million doses
[34:57] the unpublished henry ford analysis being presented today is fundamentally flawed by design unlike our
[35:05] publicly accessible database this study remained hidden from peer review after five years the core problem
[35:13] vaccinated children had twice the follow-up time substantially more health care visits than unvaccinated
[35:20] children when diagnoses require doctor visits children seeing doctors more often will inevitably
[35:26] have more recorded conditions this is classic detection bias that inflates risk estimates without
[35:33] reflecting true health differences the study reports zero adhd cases among thousands of unvaccinated
[35:42] children how is that possible with a national prevalence at eleven percent that's highly unlikely unless conditions
[35:50] went undiagnosed they claimed six to eightfold increase in ear infections that lacks biological plausibility
[36:00] but it's fully consistent with differential healthcare utilization additionally the study found no association with autism
[36:10] an adjusted hazard ratio of 0.62 yet the authors emphasize selected findings while disregarding this null result
[36:19] for the very condition many claim vaccines cause how do you explain that what does rigorous published research show
[36:29] a danish study of 1.2 million children found no association between aluminum exposure from vaccines and 50 different chronic conditions
[36:36] meta-analyses encompassing millions of children consistently find no link between vaccines and autism
[36:42] throughout my career i've treated countless patients with vaccine preventable diseases
[36:47] during covid i lost unvaccinated patients who had would have survived with vaccination these realities
[36:54] coexist vaccines can cause rare adverse events and they do and they prevent vastly more death and disability
[37:07] we're experiencing our worst measles outbreak in decades 1431 cases and three deaths in 2025.
[37:16] no kid should die from measles the choice before this committee is clear based public health policy on
[37:23] transparent peer-reviewed evidence that anyone can verify or on an unpublished analysis with acknowledged fatal
[37:33] biases hidden from scientific scrutiny vaccines have saved 154 million lives globally over 50 years the data
[37:41] are public the evidence is overwhelming parents deserve policies grounded in this evidence thank you i welcome your
[37:49] questions thank you dr scott i'll start the question i'll just basically turn it over to uh mr siri
[37:56] do you want to start with 154 million claim or but we had the blanking member and we also had uh
[38:08] dr scott say that the henry ford study was highly flawed flawed by design do you want to maybe start
[38:15] there and defend the henry ford study thank you uh happy to start wherever you'd like um in terms of the henry
[38:29] ford study i appreciate dr scott's comment but i don't believe dr scott has actually read
[38:35] my submission if given his comments about what he believes makes this study fatally flawed he points
[38:41] to one thing he calls it detection bias because what he's saying is that the vaccinated children are more
[38:50] likely to seek medical care than the unvaccinated children had he read my submission he would have seen
[38:57] that the study authors who were looking to validate the safety of these vaccines specifically
[39:04] conducted sensitivity analysis to see whether there was detection bias how did they do that what they
[39:11] did is they looked at the average number of times that the vaccinated cohort sought medical care versus
[39:18] the unvaccinated and what they found was vaccinated children sought medical care on average seven times
[39:23] a year unvaccinated sought it twice a year which would make sense if you have less illness but for
[39:29] the unvaccinated kids those 17 that had a chronic health issue they sought medical care on average
[39:36] five times which reflects that when an unvaccinated child had a medical issue they did go see the doctor
[39:44] number two as the study points out the type of health conditions that we saw in the unvaccinated
[39:49] population are not ones you wouldn't see medical care from if your child has a serious medical condition
[39:56] you're going to your doctor you're going to the medical system that's and that's not me saying it
[40:03] that's what these study authors pointed out also to further validate their findings they even re-ran
[40:11] their study to remove any child that didn't seek any medical care so essentially they removed the
[40:17] healthiest unvaccinated children another sensitivity analysis they did and they still found the
[40:24] statistically significant outcome that they uh that that i discussed earlier now the other thing they
[40:33] did to make sure that this that their their results were valid um and again i i assume they they did this
[40:42] because they wanted to try and do exactly what dr scott is saying well there's got to be a
[40:49] mistake here it can't be that this is true and so the other thing that they did is they conducted a
[40:56] sensitivity analysis whereby they removed any children from the study that weren't in the henry ford system
[41:04] from birth onward for at least five years thinking okay well maybe we you know um got it wrong because
[41:12] the unvaccinated kids you know just uh you know were had an average duration of less time but so by doing
[41:18] that we're only going to look kids were in there for at least five years and what they found was
[41:22] consistent with the findings affirming the findings the actual the risk ratio of chronic disease
[41:29] amongst the vaccinated went up not down they also did that sensitivity analysis at three years and at
[41:37] one year and each time they still found the vaccinated children a statistically significant increased
[41:43] rate of chronic health issues they also used cancer as a control assuming well there's no bile reason
[41:52] can't vaccines to cause cancer and they didn't find a statistically significant outcome so the issue
[41:58] that dr scott points to in a study which by the way he's labeling fundamentally flawed there was enough
[42:05] information my submission to have understood what he actually he actually said it was flawed by design
[42:10] you you know the study authors of this thing that the people conducted do you believe these are
[42:15] professionals that would design a study by design to make it flawed to give a result that vaccinated
[42:23] children suffered chronic illness two and a half times i mean that's basically what dr scott is saying
[42:27] to the authors of this henry ford study i mean i think from the perspective of the establishment this
[42:33] study is flawed because it's actually designed to detect safety it's actually designed to reach a conclusion
[42:39] on safety that's what makes it flawed you know it's not like the aluminum study that dr scott points
[42:45] to which he called you know rigorous let me so you can get down to the weeds very quickly and you have to
[42:52] quote honest yes this is true but let's let's pull it back a little bit i heard for the first time during
[42:58] the rfk junior hearing that there's been a study that vaccines have saved 154 million lives you have a
[43:06] somewhat interesting take on that do you want to uh talk a little bit about about that that scientific
[43:12] gem absolutely absolutely i think i think the claim about um 104 154 million lives saves is um it's it
[43:23] actually is the epitome of the corruption of science it reflects the corruption of science in action
[43:29] while this henry ford study for example is based on actual data medical records the immunization registry
[43:36] um and look carefully at it this study um is just based on guesswork and assumptions um as the uh
[43:48] it is a study published by the who it is essentially an advertising piece by them for how effective their
[43:54] immunization program has been over the last 50 years and they claim there's 154 million lives saved
[43:59] but when you look at the study unlike the henry ford study it has no confidence intervals so what is the
[44:05] confidence interval of 154 million claim what is the reliability range of it it doesn't have one you
[44:12] know why it doesn't have one because it's totally unreliable as buried in page 42 of the supplement to
[44:19] that quote-unquote advertising piece by the who it's set in a section entitled uncertainty of estimates it
[44:25] says it says that uh quote it cannot put quote bounds around the veracity of the estimates it can't put bounds
[44:34] around the vast of the estimates and that quote any bounds are arbitrary end quote and that quote it
[44:41] should not be interpreted as a claim to where the edges of valid estimates possibly lie end quote what
[44:47] that means is it could be equally true that 200 million lives were lost because of the vaccine program
[44:54] it's an unbounded estimate that is the corruption of science to rely on that and it gets worse from
[45:03] there because and when you actually look when you actually look at the hard data this numbers makes
[45:12] no the number makes no sense almost the entirety of that 154 million lives saved comes down to two
[45:18] vaccines DTP and measles vaccine well as laid out thoroughly in my submission the studies that look at
[45:25] DTP vaccine show that it causes more mortality far more mortality than life saved while it may reduce
[45:35] deaths from the theory of tetanus and pertussis the studies show numerous rate the kids the seminal
[45:40] studies show that the vac kids who got DTP died at 10 times the rate 10 times the rate than kids who did
[45:47] not get that vaccine and that is i'll give the pubmed number it's 536-0569 and that study is not just
[45:57] one study on sitting on its own it comes after a long series of studies it's published in 2017 and then
[46:02] another one in 2018 and DTP is the most commonly used vaccine in the world that's what the science
[46:09] based on hard data that has confidence intervals shows not this who advertising report with no
[46:16] confidence intervals the other vaccine that accounts for almost the entirety of the 154 million lives
[46:20] saved is the measles vaccine the study assumes i guess to its credit that 60 percent of that decline
[46:29] was from other factors and 40 percent of the decline of measles mortality was from the vaccine here's the
[46:34] thing when you look at the decline of measles mortality in other countries when there were no
[46:38] vaccines like the us between 1900 and the first vaccine in 1963 measles mortality declined by 99
[46:46] percent that's cdc data not assumption when you look at the uk data between 1900 and 1968 when they
[46:52] first started the first measles vaccine there measles mortality there declined by 99 so when you overlay that
[46:59] number not use a 40 percent decline but 99 and then you add in the increased deaths from dtp you're upside
[47:09] down already that's why they can't put a bound on their 154 million dollar 54 million excuse me lives
[47:14] claim those vaccines cost a lot more than let me give senator marino chance okay that's one last point on
[47:20] this and i'll i will stop i'm sorry and it's this as i've laid out of my submission study after study
[47:26] after study shows that people who get measles vaccine die at far less lower rates from heart
[47:34] disease and from various cancers it's not me saying that i'm just a lawyer as under blumenthal talk
[47:40] pointed out okay but that's what the studies show and they're and they're uh and they're consistent
[47:46] they're an inconvenient truth when it comes to the medical establishment when you add in that data as
[47:52] well it's really upside down i lay that out including a 100 000 person 20 year prospective
[47:59] study in japan that found that those who got measles and mumps about seven percent were dead from heart
[48:05] disease after about 20 years whereas those who didn't get measles a month about 14 percent of them
[48:09] were dead after 20 years heart disease is the number one killer of folks in the united states okay we'll
[48:16] continue senator marino thank you mr chairman for uh having this hearing thank you all for caring about this
[48:22] issue and being here mr chairman i was going to direct my first question actually to the ranking
[48:27] member but he's not here so i just want to um pause for a second because there's a lot of things that
[48:34] i've seen in my first eight months here in elected office that happens it's a little crazy so i just want
[48:39] us to reflect on something the ranking member said he said that a person should be fired for exercising
[48:44] their first amendment rights and i think we normalize bad behavior like that we just say well that's what
[48:49] people can say and i and i and the comment was about the uh about the second amendment you know
[48:54] you know something about citizens going to defend themselves i'm going to read something into the
[48:57] record and i'm going to submit something for the record and we'll get on so there was a gentleman that
[49:03] um said the following uh the people's ability to arm themselves and form state militias provide a
[49:10] powerful check on the federal power ensuring the populace can resist potential government overreach in
[49:15] fact went on to say that an armed citizenry is the best defense against an ambitious government
[49:23] now the ranking member would have that person fired what the ranking member may not realize and i want
[49:28] to submit to the record is federalist 46 written by james madison so the person that created the
[49:35] constitution that allows us to do our job here for 240 plus years should be fired for saying that we
[49:45] should have the right to protect ourselves that's pretty outrageous and i thought that was an
[49:50] important part to clarify for the record so again without objection we'll submit federalist 46 for the
[49:55] record objection thank you it's available at the archives as well all right so let's let's talk about
[50:03] um mr siri i think the main issue here is about biases would you agree that when when you have a study
[50:12] now like i'm a business major i'm not a science major but i think the issue here is is there a bias in
[50:18] your work would you agree that that's foundational and all three of you can answer that is is is being
[50:23] free of bias important sincere yes or no absolutely and and it's hard to find obviously um everybody's
[50:30] got a bias that's human nature there's no such thing as something that's unbiased that's why you want
[50:35] to have as rigorous as design to a study oh yes before my so having having clear biases okay all right he
[50:42] he won't be as generous with uh my time uh and uh dr rogers would you agree yes no by uh being free
[50:49] of bias is really important yes absolutely okay and then uh dr scott would you agree with that certainly
[50:56] okay so let's talk about the topic of bias would the following statement be considered biased or unbiased
[51:02] our president is a misinformation super spreader i know this isn't surprising to a lot of people but
[51:08] it's deeply disturbing bias comment or unbiased comment is that based on science are you asking
[51:15] me yeah um quick this should be quick it reflects a bias against uh uh the president dr rogers is a
[51:22] biased statement yes or no agreed biased dr scott bias okay that was your statement your tweet on october 1st
[51:29] of 2020. trump spews misinformation like no other for our president to say that the problem is that doctors
[51:35] taking care of patients dying from covet are venal and are committing fraud to cook the books is so low
[51:40] it's subterranean biased or unbiased yes sir biased yes sir dr scott okay that was your statement
[51:48] in october 25th of 2020. uh trump's response to the u.s covet crisis when interviewed by chris wallace
[51:54] it is what it is vote like your life depends on it biased or unbiased siri yes sir dr rogers i think
[52:02] voting is a good thing but uh i don't really have an opinion on that one but that your life depends on
[52:06] whether this election happens like you will die if the wrong outcome occurs yeah it seems biased seems
[52:12] overstated seems overstated dr scott i stand by it okay july of 2020 your statement there are 69 days
[52:19] left of the trump administration while he schemes to survive politically thousands of americans will
[52:24] die the number of covet deaths yesterday was 1421 if the death total uh total remains the same then
[52:31] 98 049 deaths will occur between now and january 20th bias given the data at the time i think yes
[52:37] dr rogers covid deaths in the biden administration far exceeded covid deaths during the first trump
[52:43] administration i hope you get into his post too so biased okay now interesting interesting because
[52:51] prior to me coming to congress uh people think i was in the retail automotive business and that's true
[52:56] but i also had a tech company i'm going to tell you a 30 second story we were asked during covid to
[53:01] develop a schematic where somebody could validate whether they were vaccinated or not or tested positive or
[53:07] not using our blockchain engine i thought that was terrible technology so we decided not to do it but
[53:12] when we had my tech team explore it what i thought was fascinating was there was no way to find out
[53:19] who had tested positive or tested negative there was no data so you know typically with a computer
[53:24] system you have to plug into a data source pull the data so that you can report it out so when we went to
[53:30] the state and said hey give me the data who's been tested and who tested negative tested positive you know
[53:35] what the response was we don't have that data it's like well that's fascinating because every night
[53:41] when i turn on the news they tell me it's 1421 people died of covid like well that's interesting
[53:48] because if the data doesn't exist and how do you know that's true uh so i just thought i'd share that
[53:54] with you a little bit so the um other piece of the equation is when we talk about science i think there
[54:02] has to be a certain humility i might my dad was a doctor he he beat in our heads that the key to
[54:07] being a doctor is to have humility i think the humility should be able for us to look back four
[54:15] or five years later and go we made a lot of mistakes a lot of people were harmed and i think it's the
[54:21] failure of that humility that's infuriating to a lot of people i'll give you some examples i have a
[54:28] four-year-old grandbaby a two-year-old grandbaby just turned two yesterday do you think it was appropriate
[54:34] yes or no uh mr siri if a two-year-old have been put a mask on a two-year-old is that a good idea
[54:41] i believe that everybody's able to make their own medical decisions but but again just generally
[54:45] speaking putting a mask on a two-year-old i wouldn't put a mask on a two-year-old if it was my choice
[54:50] dr rogers no i just got i wouldn't either okay you tweeted in 2000 january of 2020 21 that you uh
[54:58] masked your two-year-old and that all two-year-olds should be masked i can i can i'll submit the tweet
[55:02] for the record that your two-year-old uh i don't know that you have a two-year-old we've never met
[55:06] well i changed my mind okay but again but again having the humility humility to say that was a bad
[55:11] idea yeah having the humility which is good i applaud you for that having the humility to say
[55:19] having the humility to say that when you walk into a bar after having a mask on outside and then you
[55:26] walk to your table and then you take your mask off to eat made sense we can now look back and go that
[55:35] was ridiculous and i i tweeted about that numerous times how ridiculous that was well i'll submit
[55:42] another bias selection bias right i'll i'll i'll put your tweet on the record in which you actually
[55:47] said that a man walked outside with a mask walked into a restaurant got in a seat took off his mask
[55:53] and drank a beer and sat with everybody doing the same as in like hey that's normal in fact you said
[55:58] something that i thought was very interesting you said covet 19 may never go away so let's keep people
[56:04] isolated in mass i i will i submit i will submit these for the records covet 19 may never go away
[56:11] as a way to keep people locked up inside keep people out of schools in my state in my city
[56:17] cleveland ohio we closed our schools for 18 months you look at why we have youth violence today you draw a
[56:26] straight line right to those decisions during covert that wasn't a virus that made those decisions those
[56:32] were elected officials that decided that control of people was more important and dr scott you also
[56:41] i'll give you a chance here you also said that 1.2 million people died from covet from covet now i was
[56:49] in a board of metro health in cleveland we had no idea what actually caused people's mortality what we did do
[56:57] because we could the hospital could collect more money was we labeled anybody who had covet who also died
[57:05] including motorcycle accidents of dying from covet what i think what you meant to say i'm going to
[57:11] give you a chance to clear it up did you mean 1.2 million people died with covet as opposed to from
[57:18] covet see the difference oh i do see the difference and i also uh commented quite a bit about the difficulty
[57:27] making that distinction after vaccines had become available um but i think early on yes there were a lot
[57:34] of deaths i lost over 100 patients okay i mean from covet from with covet covet from covet covet was
[57:42] terrible uh and then it definitely became much more complicated to reconcile people who died with
[57:50] covet from but you didn't have a you didn't have a problem you're a pretty definitive statement but
[57:54] what dr rogers said earlier was interesting which is more people died during the biden years now just to
[58:00] remind everybody it's important biden put out an executive order that said if you don't get vaccinated
[58:06] you could lose your job think about how insane our public policy got and i think look i think i speak
[58:14] for at least the people i know that this is an important issue just maybe start by acknowledging you made
[58:21] a mistake apologizing for shaming those of us who said yeah that's stupid like yeah that makes no sense and
[58:29] acknowledging that if we don't have sovereignty over our bodies then we are not free people
[58:44] i got a lot of questions we're gonna take a lot of time and you people are gonna have a chance to
[58:48] respond here um by the way psi hearings are definitely different than normal senate hearings
[58:54] i mean when i first got here had senate 11 he'd have a book that thick and the hearings would literally
[58:59] run all day long go through in detail that's kind of like to do here tonight it's not all day long
[59:04] because we only have the afternoon but you know we're going to get into a lot of a lot of detail
[59:07] here uh dr scott you did mention you treated you said about 100 covid patients can i just ask you
[59:12] you know what did you treat them with what were your drugs of choice i mean what was the treatment yeah
[59:19] so i've i mean i've treated hundreds of of covid patients and uh did you say you lost 100 then i'm
[59:27] i'm sorry i'm not trying to i i lost dozens of of patients probably over 100 i lost track to be honest
[59:34] uh it was awful okay um i lost many many nursing home uh folks um who live nearby and uh multiple
[59:45] a day sometimes what was the protocol do you use did you use remdesivir were you using monoclonal
[59:50] antibodies were you did you did you ever try ivermectin or budesonide or some of the other
[59:55] generic drugs that were recommended so i was going based on the best available evidence my role was
[1:00:01] actually to focus on uh the best available evidence for therapeutics i helped develop the guidelines
[1:00:07] uh and so yeah we used you know remdesivir if uh patients met eligibility uh we we used dexamethasone
[1:00:15] which clearly shows uh or had been shown to be life-saving by the way i had pierre cory i
[1:00:22] pierre cory i think in may of 2020 he talked about corticosteroids he was vilified and savage in the media
[1:00:28] until a couple months later they actually had a study come out of uh england that dexamethasone
[1:00:34] worked which is corticosteroid now generally underdosed when they gave it but regardless i mean
[1:00:38] continue yeah so i mean we we used a number of things did i ever use ivermectin or hydroxychloroquine
[1:00:46] uh i don't think so were you were you aware of the surgosphere study on hydroxychloroquine no it doesn't
[1:00:53] something you've never heard of that huh it was published i think in may of 2020 totally came out
[1:01:01] against hydroxychloroquine but had to be retracted i think two weeks later because the data was
[1:01:08] completely made up but it had its impact it completely sabotaged the use of hydroxychloroquine
[1:01:16] and zinc and you know z-pack well again that just just just so that's just one example it kind of
[1:01:22] surprises me if you're on the front lines trying to treat people you've never even heard of the
[1:01:25] surgesphere which probably turned it off a lot of doctors like you who rely on the new england
[1:01:30] journal of medicine even though dr marcher angel said you really shouldn't or can't um done that
[1:01:36] but let's move on i think dr mr serious kind of covered the 154 million which was the first time
[1:01:42] i heard that and again this i would call that propaganda it's not science i mean somebody's got
[1:01:47] some model fine i mean i can play with numbers too as a matter of fact i'm going to show you how you
[1:01:51] can use numbers uh dr scott you uh talked about the commonwealth estimate of 3.2 million lives saved
[1:02:00] here in the us in 2021 and 2022 correct you're you're pretty confident of that one uh it's one of
[1:02:08] a few studies yep these estimates are not easy to make but yeah that's that's one study defined study
[1:02:14] i mean was there i mean was there were there confidence intervals around that 3.2 million it was a
[1:02:22] modeling study yeah with certainly it was published on a blog wasn't it that is that correct mr siri
[1:02:28] those yeah that's a it's a blog that's right yeah the commonwealth quote unquote study is not a study
[1:02:34] it's a blog it's not a peer-reviewed study it's not in a journal it was published so let's put up this
[1:02:39] little chart that i'm somewhat famous for charts so let's look at real data so this is cdc data so in
[1:02:48] 2019 total deaths in the u.s were 2.85 million okay then we had the pandemic year 2020 3.38 million
[1:02:58] a little under 3.4 million so that's an increase of a little more than a half a million people died
[1:03:04] in the first year of covet the following year 3.46 million people more people in the second year of
[1:03:11] the pandemic 2021 with the vaccines were rolling out i think we were i think we were close to 70 percent
[1:03:15] uh uh take up of vaccines by fall of 2021 i believe some of the estimates are that by the
[1:03:22] second quarter over 60 percent of americans had some form then in 2022 we started backing down
[1:03:27] now i think mr siri kind of argues in your piece that you know the vaccines really worked you'd think
[1:03:33] even by 2021 because those things are being rolled out pretty quick you'd probably see those those death
[1:03:39] counts come come down but they didn't but here's the point i'm trying to make with this commonwealth
[1:03:45] fund study they estimated 3.2 million people's lives were saved in 2021 and 2022 so if you add
[1:03:56] that to the actual death count what commonwealth fund is assuming is that in 2021 had it not been
[1:04:04] for the vaccines more than 5 million people would have lost their lives in america in 2022 4.88 million
[1:04:14] people would have lost their lives i mean dr scott is that even close to credible to think that we'd go
[1:04:19] from 2.85 million lives lost in 2019 have a pandemic no vaccines unfortunately the nih was sabotaging
[1:04:30] treatment using effective generic drugs to telling people don't treat it all go home be afraid hope you
[1:04:36] don't have to go in the hospital where they'll plug remdesivir your veins and hook you up to ventilator
[1:04:41] and you probably never come off okay so we had no treatment had 3.38 million people die that year
[1:04:49] are we really supposed to believe the next year we were going to leap up to 5 million lives lost in
[1:04:55] america and then the following year close to five again because that's what you'd have to be in order
[1:05:02] to save 1.6 million lives in 2021 and 2022 you'd have to be assuming the death rate was going to go
[1:05:10] from 2.85 million in 2019 3.3 3.4 million in 2019 and then leap up to 5 million in 2021 and 22 is is that
[1:05:23] at all plausible do you believe that do you believe that we were literally you know had it not been
[1:05:30] for vaccine 5 million americans would have lost their lives in 2021 and 2022 yeah i believe that's
[1:05:38] credible to me i mean were you on the front lines because it was it was awful i i cannot i i honestly
[1:05:44] cannot express how terrible it was and there was a dramatic it was terrible it was terrible it was
[1:05:49] terrible it was terrible in 2020 and the total dramatic decline in death rates after the vaccines
[1:05:55] were rolled out dramatic let's move on let's move on i'm not going to parse over these modeling studies
[1:06:00] but let's talk about hydroxychloroquine and ivermectin i mean there were a number of studies that looked
[1:06:07] into that some of which i was involved in this is about this is about research i'm by the way i'm
[1:06:12] happy to invite you back when i'll have dr mcculloch and i have dr good we'll do that okay we'll
[1:06:17] abs we will absolutely have you come back thank you and we'll talk about hospital protocols we'll
[1:06:22] talk about early treatment i would love to do that because i've never been able to get people to
[1:06:27] actually debate or discuss this with the that the doctors did i have the courage and compassion
[1:06:33] treat covet okay and i appreciate you did as well so anyway so okay so you think it's credible i mean
[1:06:39] the records records show that dr scott thinks yeah we had five million people die in in 2021 and 2022
[1:06:46] uh mr siri you want to comment on that yeah i i could add to that just a little bit which is that
[1:06:53] and i this is part of my submission as well that the data reflects that in 2020 when there was no vaccine
[1:07:00] the vaccine was first rolled out at the end of december 2020 about 18 of folks 17 of americans were
[1:07:07] infected and presumably by the way the most the weakest most frail among us passed away in 2020
[1:07:14] then we get to 2021 where again the data reflects and this is my submission around the same percentage
[1:07:18] of americans were again infected okay so no vaccine like you pointed out that was the increase then there
[1:07:25] was a vaccine in 2021 excuse me the vaccination rate went through all you know sky high by the
[1:07:32] second quarter of 2021 when delta is coming the uh the immunity rate according to the data is over 60
[1:07:40] but yet all cause mortality increases and i'll point out one last thing about this remdesivir and this is
[1:07:46] a great example great example you know what nurses call that run death is near well i'll give you an
[1:07:54] example the corruption of science with remdesivir the way you should do a study is you come up with
[1:07:59] a study design and then you implement it because this way you avoid introducing bias if you start the
[1:08:07] study and then you're like oh you don't like what you're finding and you change the study design that
[1:08:11] introduces bias and that is exactly what happened during the remdesivir clinical trial the primate the
[1:08:17] endpoints in the middle of the trial were changed by gilead as it was going on in fact we wrote to
[1:08:25] dr fauci dr fauci uh specifically about that that is precisely what you should never do it introduces
[1:08:32] bias so they can get the results all right do you remember how many people out of some kind of
[1:08:35] financial conflict of interest the people who approve that oh gilead yes like six out of nine out of 16 or
[1:08:41] something like that it's a significant number and obviously you know there's lots of folks who've
[1:08:45] treated covet during the pandemic and there's lots of uh you had dr jordan here for example um and he's
[1:08:51] had a clinic i think he had he has dozens and dozens of clinics around the country and he lost
[1:08:56] as he would explain once he the protocols he implemented lost very few people to covet i'm
[1:09:01] no other doctors in that similar situation using pudes and i and so forth dr rogers do you have something
[1:09:07] dr scott i think you wanted to say something yeah i want to add to this debate um so i watched every
[1:09:12] single meeting of the advisory committee on immunization practices and the vaccines and
[1:09:17] related biological products advisory committee in 2021 2022 and 2023 when all these um covet shots were
[1:09:25] being authorized for use in this country and after a while the cdc's own research showed that the
[1:09:36] protection from the vaccine if any was between months two and six and by six months it showed negative
[1:09:45] efficacy so i'm watching the hearings on my you know computer screen at home i'm yelling at the screen
[1:09:52] the covet shots have negative efficacy after six months tell me how a shot with negative efficacy
[1:10:00] efficacy is saving lives and it has the worst side effect profile of any vaccine in human history
[1:10:07] so how exactly is the vaccine with the worst side effects and negative efficacy saving lives that's
[1:10:16] a preposterous claim what ended the covid pandemic was the omicron variant that was more transmissible
[1:10:25] but less lethal the vaccine how many people had helped i i think it's an open debate it could be a net
[1:10:34] negative well maybe we can look at the clinical trial data in which 21 people died in the in the
[1:10:38] vaccinated group and 17 died in the placebo group i do want again i believe the first study that came out
[1:10:45] of showing negative efficacy came out of denmark but dr scott you said you want to say something
[1:10:50] they'll turn it over to senator blumenthal well i just want to say you know um in 2020 2021
[1:11:00] my colleagues and i were doing absolutely everything we could to save lives okay we weren't using
[1:11:07] remdesivir because we were paid to use remdesivir and remdesivir i have to say i never thought was
[1:11:14] you know a game changer but it also it's not that by the way the hospitals were paid handsomely for using
[1:11:20] remdesivir okay well i never saw that and coding somebody's a coveted patient as well but i never
[1:11:25] saw that but um in terms of you know whether or not the vaccine saved lives it's not just that one
[1:11:31] study i mean there's the you know there's a stanford uh i own a dis uh study from uh uh that was
[1:11:39] published in jama recently uh that showed that the covid vaccines probably averted 2.5 million deaths
[1:11:45] um so you know you're you're cherry picking by saying that i'm you know hanging my hat on on that
[1:11:51] that one commonwealth study i'm not uh because i've also posted about these other studies as well
[1:11:57] how many lives did the code vaccine save i don't know i i don't know for sure but i did see with my
[1:12:03] own eyes uh the dramatic decline in deaths between december of 2020 and you know mid 2021 parents did
[1:12:11] change and omicron was less lethal but delta was delta was a real problem didn't hit until 2022.
[1:12:18] understand delta was a real problem senator blumenthal thanks mr chairman um i think we all know that
[1:12:27] covet 19 had a devastating impact on families across the country it caused deaths and still impacts the
[1:12:37] lives of a lot of people the creation of covet 19 vaccines through operation warp speed led by
[1:12:45] then president trump and now president trump was not just one of the greatest achievements in his
[1:12:53] administration but it changed the course of the pandemic the vaccine saved lives and allowed others
[1:13:01] to begin to rebuild but unfortunately just as the vaccine became available a lot of information
[1:13:10] misinformation about its safety and efficacy spread and hostility toward vaccines and the public health
[1:13:17] system that monitors them makes them less available i want to ask you uh dr scott you saw firsthand what
[1:13:32] it was like to treat patients when the covet 19 pandemic began and after the vaccine was approved and
[1:13:38] disseminated based on the studies you've done do you believe that the covet 19 vaccines and others have
[1:13:52] helped save lives and been safe and effective thank you senator so when it comes to safety you know i
[1:14:02] personally am not a big fan of the slogan vaccines are safe and effective because there are nuances right
[1:14:08] nothing is 100 safe um are covered vaccines 100 safe no are they generally very safe yes are they the the least
[1:14:17] safe safe vaccine ever no that's absurd show me some evidence that that indicates that um
[1:14:26] yeah please uh i'll come back to discuss that um were the coveted vaccines effective yes i mean
[1:14:34] so 2020 was like nothing uh my colleagues or i had ever seen or expected it was awful i'm not making this
[1:14:42] up okay uh i mean you know it was just a nightmare and despite our best efforts uh yeah i i lost many many
[1:14:52] patients is there let me ask you is there a reason you believe that uh the henry ford health system study
[1:15:02] hasn't been published and has flaws yes i think it's that's a great question i mean and so so one one
[1:15:11] important question is which peer-reviewed journals have reviewed and rejected this manuscript uh what
[1:15:19] biological mechanism could explain vaccines increasing ear infections by 600 percent um do you accept the
[1:15:29] study's null finding for autism or only the results that support your narrative what are the models that
[1:15:37] adjust for the massive difference in health care visits between groups the analysis reports zero cases
[1:15:45] of common conditions like adhd that is statistically impossible there was a cohort of 2 000 children
[1:15:54] there should have been hundreds of such diagnoses unless they were undetected and let me just clarify
[1:16:01] when i said uh flawed by design i didn't mean that they deliberately you know you know meant for it to
[1:16:08] be flawed i just meant the study design itself had flaws in it okay it was methodologically flawed
[1:16:14] not deliberately flawed of course and thousands of studies have been done and published correct
[1:16:21] correct and let me ask you uh the the seeming assumption here is that this is the only study that
[1:16:32] ever has gone unpublished in fact a lot of studies go unpublished correct yeah yeah and i review uh studies
[1:16:42] before they're they're published for a number of different journals because they're subject to peer
[1:16:47] review right and it's not just one person it's yeah multiple people are are reviewing these articles and
[1:16:53] if something uh warrants publication it's you know the the other thing is you know i've recently been
[1:17:00] reviewing hundreds and hundreds of papers for these two massive vaccine review projects and simply to be
[1:17:07] published isn't the only means to make a study public correct in fact right in this body we have press
[1:17:19] conferences we do hearings this particular study was done and completed in 2020 and now apparently for
[1:17:29] the first time it's being revealed right has it been available during this last five years that's a great
[1:17:37] question i mean peer uh there's you know preprints um substacks obviously uh a number of ways to get a to
[1:17:45] to get a study out there that the fact that it's been shelled for five years i think is saying something
[1:17:51] mr siri why haven't you held a press conference why have you kept this study under wraps i appreciate the
[1:17:59] question it's never been submitted to a journal and the hope the hope has always been that it would be
[1:18:05] submitted to a journal because i agree with you it should undergo peer review it should be submitted
[1:18:10] to a journal but they they will not submit it because they don't want to get fired that is what
[1:18:14] they told them we've met with the authors many times these are validly pro-vaccine individuals
[1:18:19] they don't want their institution the journals their funding sources their friends their colleagues
[1:18:23] everybody to turn against them which is exactly what will happen if they even submit this thing that is
[1:18:27] not my question and i apologize for interrupting because i'm limited on time uh there are lots of other ways
[1:18:36] to make findings no they don't want to get fired no i'm talking to you oh i'm because i want they
[1:18:43] there they are they are the scientists they're the ones who have their name on it they should put it
[1:18:48] out not me my hope is that they would put it out i wanted the normal course scientific process to work
[1:18:54] look it's a retrospective epidemiological study let them put in a preprint let it go through peer review
[1:18:59] let others try to replicate it maybe we'll find a different result curious why you and senator johnson
[1:19:07] or another member of the congress or members of the health community didn't hold so let me answer
[1:19:13] that for you can i can i just know let me ask my question sure go ahead mr chairman but i'm going to
[1:19:18] answer for you i'm i'm curious why for the first time yes we're hearing about a study which was done
[1:19:28] completed five years ago like i said my hope has always been that the scientists would publish it
[1:19:34] and we've tried to persuade them many many times so it can go through the normal peer review process
[1:19:40] i don't want to run ahead and go put it out there because you know what that would do it's going to
[1:19:43] happen exactly what's happening right now is you're going to say the things that you're saying senator
[1:19:47] well you know this is not going through the normal process this isn't getting submitted to a journal
[1:19:53] the answer to that is i'm going to say it again it epitomizes the corruption of science it shows
[1:19:58] precisely why studies that show vaccines have problems never get i don't think with all due
[1:20:03] respect mr siri that you've answered my question let me answer it okay no let me answer your time
[1:20:10] we have witnesses is so that i understand but i'm part of this i'm part of this answer okay uh first of
[1:20:17] all you're not paying attention to what they're saying that the people who conducted this study
[1:20:23] highly professional highly respected uh i was concerned about their jobs
[1:20:32] del big tree and aaron siri convinced them to do this study they don't want to have their jobs
[1:20:41] put in jeopardy but they respect the fact that these people actually did the study as they requested
[1:20:53] we have a vote going on i'm going to leave to vote because
[1:20:58] more than 90 of our colleagues have voted and i don't want to miss the vote
[1:21:01] so if you want to hold your answer until i get back that's fine i really want to hear from the
[1:21:06] witness sure not from you mr chairman because we can talk to each other anytime i am the one that
[1:21:11] prompted this release i told once i found out about i said well if you don't release it if they don't
[1:21:18] release it why didn't why didn't he tell you about it earlier i'm going to release why didn't he come
[1:21:22] forward and because because he felt he felt sympathy for the authors about losing their jobs
[1:21:29] i'm sorry i feel the same sympathy but this is too important to protect their jobs this is information
[1:21:35] the public should have had in 2020 and i forced the issue there's the bottom line i forced the issue
[1:21:41] so there's your answer uh but by the way you can go and vote you you're welcome to come back this
[1:21:50] hearing is going to go on for quite some time because we're going to go through this in detail
[1:21:53] okay okay so this this hearing's going to go i will some time as as another american once said i shall
[1:21:59] return thank you look forward to it uh i think we'll i'm going to lay the covet injection aside at
[1:22:08] the time time being we'll come back because we keep hearing these hundreds and thousands of studies
[1:22:15] and one thing i do want to enter into the record is uh mr seary what is about 2 30 in the morning
[1:22:22] yes sir i i you know having received testimony uh did a very organized and very effective response to
[1:22:33] dr scott's testimony and i want to enter that into the record but mr seary i'd like you to go to your
[1:22:41] section and talk about the 661 studies that dr scott is talking about in terms of these inert placebo
[1:22:51] controls and just just describe that in detail i think it's interesting sure actually i think dr scott
[1:22:57] has done a great service in terms of pointing out the lack of clinical trials supporting the safety of
[1:23:08] the routine injected childhood vaccines you see he's saying there are 661 inert controlled trials
[1:23:17] to support the safety of the routine injected childhood vaccines but when you actually drill
[1:23:22] down into the 661 trials let me give you the breakdown of them okay 567 of these trials were not
[1:23:32] a routine injected vaccine for a disease on the cdc childhood schedule they were for hiv vaccines or other
[1:23:40] vaccines so totally irrelevant to the safety of routine injected childhood vaccines the remaining 94
[1:23:49] studies 70 of them did not involve healthy children for example trials of hiv positive adults again
[1:23:57] completely irrelevant to the safety of childhood vaccines of the remaining 24 21 did not involve a u.s
[1:24:05] licensed vaccine or were or was a vaccine or were not it was not a vaccine used as a control to license a
[1:24:13] currently used u.s licensed vaccine for example a chinese flu shops stuff like that that leaves us with
[1:24:20] three studies three that were claimed to have a inert control that were relied upon to license a routine
[1:24:30] injected childhood vaccine out of this entire list of 661 and these actually help really highlight the
[1:24:37] problem we have in terms of assessing safety but with regards to the licensure of childhood vaccines
[1:24:44] i want good clinical trial data i need it for my practice okay let me walk through those three one was
[1:24:50] a trial for the chickenpox vaccine varicella vaccine now that trial had it was only a few hundred people
[1:24:57] so it was underpowered anyway but dr scott says it's got an inert control but actually was an injection of
[1:25:03] neomycin an antibiotic that's not inert and neomycin used topically can cause issues let alone injected
[1:25:12] the second one was gardasil 4 trial which had thousands and thousands of girls and women in the control
[1:25:20] group almost all of them got a aluminum adjuvant uh injection and then there were a few hundred only a few
[1:25:29] hundred that that were labeled as a uh inert control but they weren't they got everything that's in the
[1:25:35] vial except for the antigens and the alum which included l-histidine plus orbit ad sodium borate yeast
[1:25:42] protein not inert and then the the third one was a gardasil 9 trial which finally by the way did have a
[1:25:51] saline injection just a few hundred there were thousands and thousands of girls women in that trial they all got
[1:25:56] an injection balloon imagine which i don't even know it's ethical to inject somebody with something
[1:26:00] that's neuro and cytotoxic but leaving that aside the few hundred that got the placebo but they only
[1:26:08] got it if they first got three doses of gardasil 4 so again not an actual inert control group
[1:26:14] the result is there's zero trials zero which were relied upon in this list of 60 61 to license a routine
[1:26:23] injected vaccine on the cdc schedule that included a placebo as well as zero trials of a vaccine used
[1:26:29] as a control to license a routine injected vaccine on the cdc schedule um ironically by the way i mean
[1:26:35] this list supports the opposite of what it pretends to do and if you want to know if you want to know
[1:26:43] what was relied upon to license routine injected childhood vaccines it's easy look at the clinical
[1:26:48] trial documents that's what we do and in fact my submission to this committee went through every
[1:26:54] single vaccine that's a routine injected vaccine and we cited precisely what the control was now i'll
[1:27:01] just point out one quick thing here too is that the cnn fact checked secretary kennedy's claim that there
[1:27:08] is no routine injected childhood vaccine that was licensed based on a placebo controlled trial and it
[1:27:12] relied on dr scott's list which at the time had about 248 uh uh trials listed as as being inert secretary
[1:27:20] tennedy then uh did exactly the analysis i did put it out on the tweet took it apart not one of those
[1:27:27] was allowed upon to license a routine injected childhood vaccine nor was it used as a control to license
[1:27:33] routine injected childhood vaccine and then after that apparently um somebody then scrambled all the rct numbers
[1:27:41] for those 248 i mean i see you can't match it up with kennedy said the secretary's tweet and i guess to bury
[1:27:47] that issue just added hundreds more hoping that it can just hide behind this mountain of trials but when
[1:27:54] you look at it carefully it does not support the safety in fact it points out it shows exactly the lack of
[1:28:01] safety um you know what's what's what's critical is this look if you want to know the safety of it of a vaccine and we
[1:28:08] need this stuff when when parents call us and say my chick cow got xyz issue after a vaccine you need
[1:28:14] trials that are one properly controlled which means either they got to get an inert substance or another
[1:28:21] vaccine that was properly licensed based on a robust trial and then even if it has a proper control it
[1:28:27] still needs to review safety long enough and if and and then even if it has a proper an air control and
[1:28:36] it reviews long enough it's then still needs to be properly powered it needs all three to be a proper
[1:28:42] valid clinical trial and i can tell you there's not a single routine injected childhood vaccine on the
[1:28:46] schedule that meets those criteria again the whole the whole point of developing or doing this list
[1:28:52] this crowdsourcing or whatever you know leading a internet effort for the 661 studies was all to prove
[1:28:59] secretary kennedy wrong when he said that there's never been any of the vaccines and childhood schedules
[1:29:05] have had a true placebo controlled random controlled trial and you've just gone through the 661 and
[1:29:10] that statement's true dr scott i mean go ahead and you know i guess try and refute that so yeah the the
[1:29:23] reason why we did this project was to yes directly address uh through systematic evidence compilation
[1:29:32] the questions around the quantity and quality of clinical data supporting vaccine safety and efficacy
[1:29:39] uh we found one thousand we screened thousands uh we've extracted data from 1088 randomized controlled
[1:29:51] vaccine trials we started our search in 1800 and studies were published from 1941 until 2025.
[1:30:00] of those 1088 studies that are randomized controlled trials 661 used what we consider an inert placebo
[1:30:11] generally saline uh etc there were a number of other uh control groups used historically for various
[1:30:19] reasons partly for ethical considerations and partly just because you know things have developed over time
[1:30:25] um as far as you know this being an example of how there aren't enough data to support the safety and
[1:30:36] efficacy of vaccines i i don't see the the logic there well i think i think mr siri completely picked
[1:30:43] your 661 studies apart you said you know saline etc you know i think it's one of what's the etc you know
[1:30:49] mr rogers you kind of raised your hand you want to speak to that yes ma'am please thank you senator johnson
[1:30:57] so look in phd programs you have to read original sources and you have to define terms let's be
[1:31:04] crystal clear about the definitions of these terms because the fate of the republic depends on getting
[1:31:10] these definitions right and and dr scott is playing fast and loose with these definitions so let's be
[1:31:16] crystal clear about what we mean inert should mean that the substance does not cause a chemical or
[1:31:23] biological reaction in the body when supporters of the status quo use the word inert they can mean
[1:31:31] just about anything paul offit routinely calls mercury and aluminum inert even though they are known
[1:31:38] neurotoxicants philip grandjean and philip and philip langer gone published they're the best two
[1:31:46] toxicologists in the world they published a study in 2014 that says both aluminum and ethyl mercury are known
[1:31:55] neurotoxicants but the supporters of the status quo say that these things are safe and they're not
[1:32:03] they're absolutely not in the context of vaccines placebo should mean saline as verified by independent
[1:32:09] third-party testing that's not what the supporters of the status quo mean when they say placebo
[1:32:14] the fact is the fda has no regulations concerning the contents of placebos so manufacturers can put
[1:32:22] whatever they want into the comparative intervention and can still call it a placebo by law furthermore
[1:32:27] scientific journals have no regulations concerning the contents of placebos sometimes the manufacturers
[1:32:33] disclose them in connection with the study and about two-thirds of the time they do not and a double
[1:32:38] blind randomized control trial should have two groups a group that receives the vaccine that's the
[1:32:43] treatment group and a completely unvaccinated group given a saline placebo that's the control group
[1:32:49] that's not what the supporters of the status quo mean when they say randomized control trial they
[1:32:55] compared two groups but one group gets the new vaccine and another group gets a shot full of
[1:32:59] aluminum adjuvants or they compare a new shot to an older shot but the one thing they never do is to
[1:33:05] compare a completely unvaccinated group with a vaccinated group because everyone knows that such
[1:33:10] a trial would show harms so if you go through all 1704 trials in the database that dr scott has put
[1:33:18] together as as uh aaron siri has done you'll find that the inert ingredients are not inert the placebo is
[1:33:25] not saline and the randomized control trial does not have a completely unvaccinated control group and we know
[1:33:30] that my assertion here is correct because on page nine of his written statement dr scott states that
[1:33:38] vaccinated versus unvaccinated studies are especially prone to bias it's hard to imagine a more orwellian
[1:33:46] statement up is down left is right dogs are cats and according to dr scott the a proper vaccinated
[1:33:53] versus unvaccinated study is unethical that's why we're in this mess that's why we have an autism and
[1:34:00] chronic disease epidemic in this country first after scott respond to that yeah yeah i'd be very surprised if
[1:34:14] you went through all 661 trials uh we we haven't even conducted uh the full analysis yet but once i think
[1:34:21] mr siri kind of has we should join our team i'm i'm yeah because he's got a pretty pretty crack team
[1:34:28] doing that yeah if you let me make the decisions i'll join your team let's do it let's team up um so
[1:34:36] yeah first of all yeah we are you know this is a work in progress uh hopefully it'll be published and
[1:34:42] and once it's published uh i welcome any feedback for sure um in terms of how we defined controls
[1:34:50] um that has not been publicized yet because we haven't published this okay but we did break it
[1:34:56] down between um inert placebos that were biologically inert and placebos that were immunologically inert so
[1:35:05] biologically inert placebos primarily include saline uh or buffer or water uh and so there are certainly
[1:35:14] many studies that that that met that criteria then there are adjuvant only controls so we separated
[1:35:19] all that but but again the the whole point of the 661 studies was to prove secretary candy wrong
[1:35:27] when he never said and i don't know the exact statement but there's never been any vaccines on
[1:35:31] the childhood schedule that have had a true ram control quote here if you'd like yeah go ahead
[1:35:35] oh sure so uh secretary kennedy said this is the cnn article reported that quote 76 shots that children
[1:35:42] in this country receive unquote meaning routine injected vaccines on the cdc schedule quote none of them have
[1:35:48] been safety tested in pre-licensure studies against the placebo in response to that the cnn article quotes
[1:35:53] dr scott is saying that um that made dr scott's ears perk up end quote scott an infectious disease
[1:36:00] specialist stanford university knew knew that the assertions couldn't be true and now he says he has
[1:36:07] the proof meaning dr scott quote unquote knew the assertion couldn't be true before he even looked
[1:36:12] and did it so whatever he's planning to publish obviously he had his a priori belief beforehand so i
[1:36:17] was familiar with the body of evidence i wasn't aware that there were going to be 1088 so well then
[1:36:23] why not start with the clinical trials that are actually published by the fda and relied upon to
[1:36:27] license each vaccine we've included those as well so so the the again the problem with this discussion
[1:36:33] debate is it just gets into a lot of detail and you have you know accusations going back and forth
[1:36:38] and assertions made back and forth this is it is very difficult to follow okay again i i personally
[1:36:43] think that mr su did a pretty good job of taking that 661 studies apart but i i want to go back something
[1:36:50] that's again a little bit easier for us lay people to contemplate and go back to numbers and i like numbers
[1:36:58] in your testimony you talk about the cdc estimates where i think the final number that i'm dealing
[1:37:06] with is a study that said the cdc between 1994 and 2023 that vaccines saved 1.1 million lives in america
[1:37:15] okay so again i'm just working with numbers here now okay so let's take the the 1.1 million i'm comparing
[1:37:22] to the 154 million i'm trying to make sense of these numbers right so if there's 154 million lives saved
[1:37:28] over 50 years according to the who cdc is saying well it's 1.1 million here in america over 30 years
[1:37:37] so it's time to start doing the extrapolations because again these numbers aren't science so just
[1:37:43] their model so let me continue the model 1.4 million were four percent of the world's population
[1:37:49] that'd be 27.5 million lives saved according to the cdc worldwide just based extrapolating
[1:37:55] extrapolating our share population that's over 30 years so divide that by 30 come up per year it's
[1:38:04] about 910 000 times 50 years that's about 46 million worldwide so there's the discrimacy right there
[1:38:12] between what the cdc is saying lives saved again they're just they're just making this up they're
[1:38:17] just creating some model that is highly biased toward their viewpoint the world health organization
[1:38:22] says 154 million and again i think mr sir did a pretty good job of picking that propaganda apart
[1:38:28] and that's what it is it's propaganda it's not science it's propaganda but let's dig a little bit
[1:38:34] further um in that cdc study the way they get 1.1 million lives saved is basically off of three diseases
[1:38:46] diphtheria hepatitis b and measles and mr siri does an excellent job of laying out some basic numbers that
[1:38:55] are hard to refute so let's go through diphtheria about 750 000 of that 1.1 million by the way those
[1:39:02] three diseases account for about 84 percent of the 1.1 million lives saved according to the cdc so how
[1:39:09] do they calculate that well they say that diphtheria they've saved about 750 000 lives over 30 years
[1:39:16] that's 25 000 lives a year is what they're claiming to save with vaccines preventing diphtheria dips the
[1:39:25] problem with that number is in 1948 when the first vaccine was licensed for diphtheria the actual death
[1:39:35] was 634 per year but let's by the way put up the diphtheria chart here i think we have it on the
[1:39:45] the video as well don't we it's the first so the so the first diphtheria vaccine was put in use in
[1:39:57] 1929 was it it was 1926 1926 but the first licensed vaccine was 1948 well uh the so uh between 1900 and
[1:40:11] 1926 the mortality from oh i'm i'm giving you that so the first licensed or the license vaccine was in
[1:40:17] 1926 but it was rarely used um and and between 1926 and the 40s the mortality declined at the same rate
[1:40:24] in areas that used it mostly major cities so so by the time the first vaccine was widely used
[1:40:31] 1949 was the first life the death rate had already declined by 97.8 percent when routine vaccine use
[1:40:39] really began like 26 that are declined by about 80 some percent it wasn't from a vaccine that's from
[1:40:46] improved sanitation we weren't living in squalor there's better nutrition there's a host of reasons
[1:40:52] why diphtheria dramatically was reduced in terms of race per 100 000. so by the time by the time we
[1:40:59] really started widely using diphtheria vaccine in 1948 we'd already reduced the cases the rate fatality
[1:41:06] of mortality declined by over 97 percent and none of that virtually none of that had to do with that
[1:41:11] but again that year there were 634 deaths that's right and the cdc is saying we're saving 25 000 deaths a
[1:41:20] year of diphtheria okay so that's the most stark example this uh hepatitis b they're claiming 3 000
[1:41:31] lives saved per year right but in 1980 when that first vaccine 1981 first came about there were about
[1:41:38] 294 deaths it's actually increased now we've got the vaccine out there it's about 1700 deaths a year now
[1:41:43] so the the number of deaths have gone up but they're claiming 3 000 lives saved somehow so for measles
[1:41:47] they're claiming about 2700 deaths per year uh 1963 prior years to the release of that vaccine they're
[1:41:54] about 400 deaths per year and so in total if you add up those three illnesses okay a total of 30 700 lives
[1:42:02] claimed saved per year for those three illnesses whereas the death rate of the year of basically
[1:42:10] use of vaccines total of 1328. so they're literally claiming a 23-fold increase of lives saved over the
[1:42:18] actual death count when the vaccines came so again again there's all these claims 154 million uh 1.1
[1:42:28] million the numbers simply don't add up and what's very clear we could actually put up the the measles
[1:42:34] chart and quick do that in the the same basic dynamic by by the time we actually had a measles vaccine
[1:42:45] there was a 98 reduction in the rate of mortality with measles with increasing population again that's
[1:42:53] right the book dissolving illusions improve sanitation improve nutrition i mean antibiotics i mean other
[1:43:00] treatment which is a big problem with me with kobe that we sabotage treatment we ignored treatment put
[1:43:06] everything toward the covert injection but anyway that that's i think that's a point that needs to be made
[1:43:12] you know what what actually brought down the rate of death in these infectious disease sure vaccines
[1:43:18] might have provide the the the tail end of that right but the bulk of the reduction of those diseases
[1:43:25] occurred well before vaccines ever became popularized correct mr siri absolutely and overstating the benefits
[1:43:31] of a medical product is just as dangerous as overstating its risks and they overstate the benefits
[1:43:39] based on this data by numerous folds uh i've there's a few other points regarding that if you'd like me
[1:43:45] to address them sure thank you thank you mr chair just by way of explanation i voted and uh we have another
[1:43:54] hearing going on in the judiciary committee on internet safety uh for the parents in this room when you're
[1:44:01] done here if you want to come over to the subcommittee of the judiciary uh chaired by senator blackburn of
[1:44:07] tennessee we're looking at ways that the internet and social media can be made safer for children kids
[1:44:15] online safety act and i say that by way of explanation for my absence i i do apologize but i think maybe we
[1:44:24] have some common ground on uh stopping toxic content that's driven to children by big check just as by the
[1:44:34] way uh i have urged and demanded and taken action to stop some of the abuses in big pharma and the chairman
[1:44:44] and i have talked about ways to reduce the prices of big pharma i'm working with senator cornyn on a
[1:44:50] measure that would lower prices of pharmaceutical drugs by eliminating some of the abuses so i just want
[1:44:57] to make clear i'm not here as an advocate for big pharma i don't think anyone would ever say that i
[1:45:05] was i want to come back to maybe a little bit of science here uh dr scott what would happen if we
[1:45:14] stop routine childhood vaccines well we know that there would be preventable uh outbreaks of preventable
[1:45:25] illness and and death and maybe you can expand a little bit why is it that unvaccinated children who
[1:45:37] say come down with measles can lead to outbreaks in schools in communities around the country i know
[1:45:48] it sounds like a simple common sense question but uh i'm not a scientist and i'm asking questions
[1:45:55] because i'm curious yeah so so these are contagious diseases and they can spread to people who either
[1:46:02] weren't able to get vaccinated or who didn't get vaccinated or who are severely immunocompromised
[1:46:08] um and that's substantiated by studies and by real life experience most recently in texas correct correct
[1:46:15] yeah um vaccines yeah yeah have definitely played a role in uh you know helping stop these outbreaks
[1:46:24] i don't know how that could be denied correct uh and you have recently launched a project to document
[1:46:33] all of the randomized control trials that have been conducted by licensed vaccines could you talk a little
[1:46:40] bit about what that project has revealed yeah i think that you might have missed some of our
[1:46:46] discussion but i apologize again i apologize to you no problem um so yeah and and let me just say
[1:46:53] that the the scientific evidence supporting vaccine safety and efficacy is really represents one of the most
[1:47:01] the most extensive bodies of medical research uh ever assembled and so we screened thousands of studies
[1:47:08] uh online um and uh we we cataloged 1088 randomized control trials that were published between 1941 and 2025
[1:47:18] from around the world covering vaccines from adenovirus to zika virus these are all publicly accessible
[1:47:25] and um transparency is built in by design on our google spreadsheet that is uh accessible to everyone
[1:47:34] with internet access uh there are links that you can click on to see the primary source and so across
[1:47:40] seven decades of trials we found no evidence of suppression um and you know the challenge really is
[1:47:47] um the sheer volume not not access to data there are a lot of studies out there there are a lot of
[1:47:55] poor quality studies out there that get published even you know no matter how bad they are there are
[1:48:00] there is a massive amount of studies out there especially around covid vaccines um and and the ones that
[1:48:07] are not published are available are they not it's available studies are available even if they're not published well i mean this
[1:48:18] one wasn't and others as well correct there are links to them they're available to people who ask
[1:48:26] about them who want to make them public yeah but for the most part it's not that hard to get a study
[1:48:31] published somewhere i mean there are thousands of vaccine studies mr siri um we've been talking about
[1:48:41] medical issues you're you're not a medical doctor are you no sir uh and you're not an
[1:48:47] immunologist or biologist or any kind of vaccinologist no but i depose them regularly including
[1:48:53] the world's leading ones with regards to vaccines and i have to make my claims based on actual evidence
[1:48:57] when i go to court with regards to vaccines i don't get to rely on titles okay but you're not a doctor
[1:49:12] no i actually i prefer not to be a doctor because i prefer to rely on the evidence not slogans like we've
[1:49:18] been hearing okay um let me ask you have have you spoken to secretary kennedy about um his decision to
[1:49:29] approve uh covid19 or limit the approval and availability of covid19 vaccine no sir you have not
[1:49:41] okay have you uh spoken to him about the vaccine injury compensation program i do not recall you have
[1:49:53] represented him correct yeah i represented him when he was running for president of the united
[1:49:58] states of america i've represented him during that period to get him off ballots across the country
[1:50:03] i've represented him in some other capacities i've also co-counseled with him in many cases for almost
[1:50:09] a decade have you been under consideration to be part of his team at hhs uh i have not put my name in to
[1:50:16] be part of the government i uh respectfully prefer to be uh outside of government uh mr rogers
[1:50:24] i understand your degree is in political economy correct correct as as i imagine you know to earn
[1:50:34] a phd one must make an original contribution to knowledge is verified by external peer review that's
[1:50:41] the degree that i have and unfortunately these days medical school is just a glorified trade school for
[1:50:46] people trained to obey the pharmaceutical industry now trade schools can be great but but western
[1:50:56] allopathic medicine has completely lost its way so but i'm a doctor of philosophy and social science
[1:51:02] okay i guess we've established your views on the medical profession uh you know i'm curious
[1:51:13] i don't know the answer to this question um in some of your twitter posts you said and i'm quoting
[1:51:22] you people are all going to spend eternity in hell nuremberg two first then hell
[1:51:30] uh what did you mean by that thank you for the question senator i believe that we are in the midst
[1:51:44] of one of the greatest crimes in human history we have a product being injected into children 70 plus
[1:51:55] times over the course of their development that's never been tested against a proper saline placebo over
[1:52:03] that course of that time period chronic illness in this country has gone from 10 percent of children
[1:52:11] having one or more chronic conditions to now more than 40 50 of children having one or more chronic
[1:52:17] conditions secretary kennedy in the hearing that was uh last week said the latest data from the cdc
[1:52:25] says that 76 percent of americans now have one or more chronic conditions and i believe that lots of
[1:52:32] these chronic conditions stem from iatrogenic injury we have three million children with autism back in 1970
[1:52:41] the rate was so low that it was essentially zero i'm outraged by that and i think every person in
[1:52:47] this room should be outraged by that i don't i don't know how to say it anymore clearly that we need to
[1:52:55] change course in this country and i'm terribly disappointed by the medical profession in in in the social
[1:53:03] sciences there's this term called epistemic capture which is when the entire knowledge production
[1:53:09] process becomes captured by one industry and that's what's happened with science and medicine
[1:53:14] and so i think we need to change course and i think the the people who have covered up the autism
[1:53:21] epidemic and the epidemics of iatrogenic injury should be held to account for their actions are you
[1:53:28] comparing i'm again uh i'm i'm holding up a copy of the tweet you i'm sure you recognize it uh you people
[1:53:40] are all going to spend eternity in health nuremberg 2 and in another tweet you made i think fairly clear
[1:53:50] that you thought nuremberg 2 referred to executions and then you said if we could hit those sorts of
[1:53:59] numbers meaning the numbers of executions following the holocaust when pharma fails we would be doing
[1:54:07] great uh i think the inevitable conclusion there is calling for the execution of people i think that's
[1:54:18] overstated i think you're putting words in my mouth respectfully i'm asking the question no i
[1:54:22] appreciate that i appreciate that so so look let's let's put in the context of covet i've already talked
[1:54:29] about autism let's talk about coven the state however you define that the military cdc tony fauci
[1:54:42] ralph barrack at the university of north carolina created a weaponized virus correct gain of function
[1:54:49] research they contracted it out to china and it caused a pandemic around the world once it was
[1:54:56] released the government created a weaponized virus that then got out and caused a global pandemic when
[1:55:03] are we going to have accountability for that i i i generally don't understand why why government
[1:55:12] officials are allowed to engage i'm not putting words in your mouth i'm just quoting your words i would
[1:55:19] like to have accountability for the coveted era and i'd like to have accountability for the fact
[1:55:23] that the cdc has known since 1999 that vaccines cause autism and they've covered it up for 26 years
[1:55:30] how do we begin to have accountability you want to call it something different truth commissions uh
[1:55:37] criminal trials you're comparing the covet 19 vaccine to the holocaust um sir respectfully i i i i i will
[1:55:54] ask that these posts be entered in the record if there's no objection okay let's i want to move on um
[1:56:05] let me put up a chart to show why there are people that are horribly frustrated i i thought i had the
[1:56:11] floor no you you went over four minutes for your seven so you're already gave you like 11 12 minutes
[1:56:16] there so you're done i thought we had all the time in the world you can once i once i do my seven minutes
[1:56:21] then you'll get seven minutes again well i'm going to go back and i invite anyone who's interested in
[1:56:25] internet safety which is harming children uh to attend the hearing of the subcommittee that i'm going
[1:56:33] to return to uh i want to thank the witnesses in case i don't have the opportunity to come back thank the
[1:56:42] witnesses for participating everyone who is here thank you for for being here and uh i'm sure we will have
[1:56:49] uh additional opportunities to air the issues that we've addressed here and i hope that the corruption
[1:56:59] of science truly will end thank you thank you so let's let's quick put up chart number six again i'm
[1:57:07] i'm just kind of laying out why people are outraged because people haven't been held accountable this is
[1:57:13] a this is a history of autism this is a chart showing from again hard to say but with cdc numbers starting
[1:57:20] in around 2000 from one in 150 to now one in 31. according to your testimony back in 1970 might have
[1:57:29] been one in ten thousand a little less certain than using cdc numbers but there's been an explosion
[1:57:36] what are we doing about it who's asleep at the wheel who's trying to determine what caused this
[1:57:44] as dr chris palmer said when it comes chronic illness and i'd throw autism in there they don't
[1:57:50] want the root causes discovered that's why people are outraged that's why people may
[1:57:55] put put on twitter things that they may regret later um let's put up the next chart number three
[1:58:01] this is probably my most censored chart um dr scott were you aware that worldwide on bears we've
[1:58:11] reported 38 742 deaths worldwide associated with the covert vaccine were you aware of that carnage
[1:58:24] i'm not aware of that figure in particular in america i believe the number 19 000 correct um again
[1:58:33] but but there's does not prove cause oh i've heard that time and time again so let's let's take a look
[1:58:39] at the bottom figure down here of those 38 000 deaths 9 252 23.9 percent called 24 occurred on the day of
[1:58:51] vaccination or within one or two days i know that doesn't prove causation but man that's a correlation
[1:58:58] that we ought to look at do you know to what extent there's is reported to understate adverse events
[1:59:05] do you have any idea you've seen any studies on that i'm sorry what's the question to what extent
[1:59:12] does veyers under report adverse events again it's it's it's a pain to report something to veyers
[1:59:18] okay doctors are busy takes half hour 45 minutes a lot of people don't know about it so the vast
[1:59:24] majority of adverse events from a vaccine or a drug doesn't get reported affairs so again they've
[1:59:30] actually done studies on this do you know what percent actually get reported versus what doesn't get
[1:59:36] reported no somewhere between one to ten percent correct mr siri i know it's less than one percent
[1:59:42] according to an ahrq funded study of harvard researchers and those so less so if it's less
[1:59:47] than one percent that let's just use u.s figures okay by the way what is this 17 000 19 000 u.s deaths yeah
[1:59:59] it's close okay it's one of those 17 or 19 000 deaths reported in the u.s based on fares veyers
[2:00:04] if if we're only recording one out of a hundred that would mean deaths from the vaccine is somewhere
[2:00:13] between like 170 000 in the u.s 170 again that's that's a at a that kind of reporting ratio this is
[2:00:23] why people are outraged and what people are denying they're not denying the potential effectiveness of
[2:00:32] vaccines i think most of us think yeah they probably work to a certain extent okay what they're denying of
[2:00:38] the vaccine injuries the injection injuries scott how much do you know about the mrna technology a
[2:00:47] fair amount so it is the mrna that's encapsulating the lipid nanoparticle is that true mrna it's a
[2:00:56] true mrna i mean true true mrna your master rna degrades very rapidly in the body correct correct
[2:01:05] correct so the mrna in the injection is is it true mrna does it degrade rapidly in the body do you not know
[2:01:16] i do know yes it it does but it does no it does not it's modified it's modified mrna and it's
[2:01:22] designed not to degrade and there are studies that show it sticks around the body we don't know how long
[2:01:27] the lipid nanoparticle do you realize that it was designed to permeate difficult to permeate barriers
[2:01:36] like the blood brain like placenta barrier did you know that did you believe when fauci told us that
[2:01:43] the mrna shot would stay in the arm did you believe that it's a simple yes no i mean did you believe
[2:01:52] do you do you believe the the code injection stayed in everybody's arm do you believe that's what
[2:01:58] happened uh primarily you think so huh were you aware of the japanese foia of the study that was
[2:02:07] conducted a biodistribution where in rats it by distribute all over the body accumulated in the
[2:02:13] adrenal glands in the ovaries they because the lipid nanoparticles designed to permeate difficult to
[2:02:20] permeate barriers they knew the designers knew and they did a study they would buy distribute
[2:02:26] all over the body but our cdc anthony fauci said it was going to stick in the arm now do you know
[2:02:35] what the mrna does it's it's not it's not a traditional vaccine is it do you realize that
[2:02:42] it's just not an attenuated or a dead virus it's it's messenger rna modified rna this encapsulated
[2:02:53] lipid nanoparticle it distributes all over the body and when it attaches to a cell it unloads its mrna
[2:03:02] into the cell it turns the cell into a manufacturing cell of a protein that is toxic to it do you
[2:03:12] realize that are you aware of that i mean just yeah yes or no i mean do you know that or not
[2:03:19] because i talk to a lot of doctors don't have a clue i know a fair amount about the mrna vaccines do
[2:03:27] i know about all of these studies this is the basic operation do you know how it works
[2:03:34] it doesn't appear like you do well so again why would we have i just don't why would we have almost
[2:03:42] 1.7 million adverse events dramatically understanding it why would we have that number of deaths
[2:03:47] it's because these little lipid nanoparticles are distributed all over the body they're attaching to
[2:03:53] cells they're turning cells like a heart cell into a manufacturing site for the lipid for the spike
[2:04:00] protein which is toxic and the body attacks it it causes inflammation that's what myocarditis
[2:04:06] myocarditis is and the designers of the of the injection knew it and anthony fauci knew it and
[2:04:13] he lied that's why somebody like mr rogers dr rogers gets so upset and is outraged by the cover-up of
[2:04:21] this that's the problem here i've got a lot more to say all right have you heard do you know anything
[2:04:31] about for example the dna contamination that's being reported i want to enter into the record the mckernan
[2:04:38] study just recently released without objections there's nobody to object again have you have you
[2:04:46] heard about this that there's there's dna contamination in particularly the pfizer you're aware of that yes
[2:04:57] do you know at what levels it exceeds the fda recommended amounts no 36 to 627 times
[2:05:08] the allowed amount is 10 nanograms per dose and this research paper shows it's 36 to 627 times higher
[2:05:18] than that does that concern you yeah if if that's a legitimate finding yes that that's not the
[2:05:29] information that i've been aware of but but you know it saves 3.2 million lives no it didn't it's
[2:05:37] impossible that's entirely possible okay so i got the mccurin study there how about dennis rancourt study you
[2:05:46] aware of that one it's a model but it's a model of i think 17 equatorial and south hemisphere countries
[2:05:57] whose excess all-cause mortality was highly correlated to the uptake in the vaccine so based off that
[2:06:08] study their data he estimates 17 million people died of the covert injection 17 million i'm no i don't
[2:06:17] know it's a model it's like the 154 million it's like the 3.2 million it's like the 2.5 millions all
[2:06:23] all those numbers that are confidently spewed this study gets no reaction i've entered that in the
[2:06:34] record mr sir i want to ask you the 1986 law set up a task force was disbanded in 1998 it was supposed
[2:06:46] to re produce reports on how to improve vaccine safety how many of those reports were ever produced to
[2:06:54] congress um so the mandate for safer childhood vaccines which you're referring to under the 1986 act
[2:07:01] the third section the three parts required a biannual report to congress
[2:07:05] that explained how hhs in which the fda cdc and ah are all located made vaccine safer in the prior two
[2:07:12] years the total number of reports since 1986 are zero zero never been submitted the second part of the
[2:07:21] mandate for safer childhood vaccine creates a task force which you just mentioned senator that task force
[2:07:27] is comprised of the head of the nih cdc and fda and they're supposed to make recommendations
[2:07:32] on how to make vaccines safer to the secretary of hhs that task force made one one set of recommendations
[2:07:39] in 1998 and then was disbanded and has now been under secretary kennedy put together the first part of
[2:07:45] the band-aid if i would add if i may add is what actually uh requires hhs to make vaccines safer right
[2:07:53] because they made the car pharma companies immune to liability they took away the normal market
[2:07:57] forces that would drive them to actually engage in safety recognizing that congress and its wisdom
[2:08:04] at least in that part was wise it made hhs responsible vaccine safety and of course if hhs
[2:08:11] is not doing the simple parts of the mandate for safer childhood vaccines which underpins all of
[2:08:15] vaccine safety in this country of putting biannual reports to congress of having a task force you
[2:08:20] think they're doing the hard part and part one of course not talk about v-safe switching gears kind
[2:08:29] of sticking to covet i mean you're the one that had to sue you know i think one one of the interesting
[2:08:35] i think that actually the very last sentence in dr scott's testimony is let me find it the data are
[2:08:50] public yeah the data certainly are not public um first of all when it comes to the clinical trials
[2:08:57] for each vaccine we've had to sue the fda to get the underlying clinical trial reports for most of them
[2:09:02] so then we've sued for the varivax vaccine for that bvac for many of them and for the cova vaccine
[2:09:07] real quick i'm going to go back to v-safe v-safe dr rogers isn't it true that even peer reviewers
[2:09:15] don't get to look at the data of studies that's common right generally true i mean what what is what
[2:09:25] is the truth in terms of how how often researchers actually make the the raw data available i mean a
[2:09:32] proper study should make the data available that's a a norm but but that doesn't happen
[2:09:38] part of the problem with that the amazon and all study in denmark that's you know being touted that
[2:09:43] you know loom is not a problem is you know people questioning cannot get the data even though it's
[2:09:48] already been de-identified correct and that's true and and by the way the data safety link yeah the vsd
[2:09:57] the vaccine what happened to that how available is that right now it's not um in 2000 up until 2000
[2:10:03] it was part of the cdc and you could get access to it through a foyer a number of people did
[2:10:08] published studies the cdc didn't like didn't fit the policy about vaccines and so they then shifted
[2:10:13] it over to a trade association to get it out of the reach of the freedom of information act and others
[2:10:19] it's so it's been distributed you can't you can't get that's not very that you know it's not exactly
[2:10:25] transparency is it it's the it's actually literally it's not only is it not transparent you cannot
[2:10:29] get the data underlying vsd studies they publish like the data for two of them which is antithetical
[2:10:35] to how science you can't do reproducibility not only that it's selection bias because if you want
[2:10:40] to do a study it has to go through cdc's clearing process actually which means that only studies that
[2:10:44] conform with this policy that vaccines are safe are going to get published so let's talk about the v-safe
[2:10:49] which was established for the covet injection 10 million people voluntarily signed up i mean i think the
[2:10:55] you know what they were report is completely inadequate but talk about how you had to sue
[2:11:01] and how long it took you to get the data from what was supposed to be a the safety transparent
[2:11:06] safety surveillance system and then what the results were just quick tell that story two two over two
[2:11:10] years over actually collectively almost three years of litigation it took v-safe was a safe system
[2:11:16] rolled out in december 2020 along with the release of the first cover vaccine up until that point um you
[2:11:21] you know cdc touted vares and they said well vares isn't reliable we're going to have v-safe v-safe
[2:11:26] they said was a robust rapid way to identify safety issues with coven 19 vaccine 10 million americans
[2:11:32] signed up very rapidly over about six months these were the vaccine enthusiasts who got the vaccine
[2:11:37] from december 2020 and about nine million those first six months and they got a a a a form to fill out
[2:11:44] every day for seven days after the shot then every week for six weeks and then three times after that
[2:11:49] on that forum which checked the boxes there were basically two types of boxes first check the box
[2:11:54] was for symptoms but the symptoms that the cdc chose to include were the ones that they say are normal
[2:12:01] and fine after the vaccine and they only collect that for seven days what they call reactogenicity
[2:12:06] they're good they show the vaccine is working you're having an immune response so that data was
[2:12:09] completely irrelevant for assessing safety in fact they reported 60 70 percent of people reporting having
[2:12:14] that and the cd said great that leaves only one other check the box data that was actually
[2:12:20] worthwhile and that was folks seeking hospital care missing school of work and not performing
[2:12:25] normal daily activities well what the cdc was doing is they were pumping out study after study after
[2:12:30] study that only showed the first week after the shot for those three categories well we wanted to see
[2:12:37] the full data set my client the informed consent action network wanted to see the full data set so we
[2:12:42] said to the cdc hey this stuff's totally de-identified just release it it's literally sitting there in files
[2:12:48] could release it in two minutes took us almost two lost federal lawsuits a year and a half of
[2:12:54] litigation two years litigation almost to get that data and when we did it was clear why the cdc wanted
[2:12:59] to hide it they wanted to hide it because what it showed was 7.7 percent of these vaccine enthusiasts
[2:13:05] reported needing medical care that they attributed most likely to the vaccine after getting the covid shot
[2:13:12] 7.7 that's one in 13 and on average they sought medical care two to three times each you don't go
[2:13:18] to seek medical care two to three times each and 75 percent of those were hospitalization emergency
[2:13:24] room or urgent care so these were serious issues i don't know if and that was the only data point
[2:13:30] that v-safe could possibly have used to actually assess safety if one in 13 seeking medical care
[2:13:37] on average two to times three times each of the manner i just described is not enough to pull the plug
[2:13:42] it was clear v-safe was not designed to assess safety v-safe was designed to affirm its a priori belief
[2:13:48] this shot was safe if it wanted to make v-safe actually a system that would uh uh assess safety
[2:13:55] it would have added for example a check the box for chest pain right so they can assess myocarditis
[2:14:01] it could have added check the box for the numerous adverse events of special interest that it its own
[2:14:08] v-safe protocol identified two months before it rolled out including myocarditis pericarditis all the
[2:14:15] issues we had blood clotting we ended up seeing from the clinical trial apparently it knew that
[2:14:21] these could potentially be issues it put it in the design documents but it never made it into the
[2:14:27] actual system itself v-safe was not designed it's the closest thing to mens rea purposeful intent to
[2:14:35] design this system to assure that it would never actually show a safety issue i don't think they
[2:14:39] expected that many people to report seeking medical care can i add something sure thanks i just want
[2:14:48] to emphasize that the last thing i want to do is cause any harm the last thing i want to do is um
[2:14:57] anyone the last thing i want is for anyone to be harmed by by a vaccine if if there is a vaccine safety
[2:15:05] issue i want it to be detected and there are multiple overlapping layers of monitoring systems
[2:15:12] that i do think work pretty well are they perfect no um but when it comes to you know de-identifying
[2:15:20] data and all that you know it's a little complicated so um but there are a number of other uh data
[2:15:27] monitoring systems but it's just really important that we understand that um there there is not some
[2:15:37] grand conspiracy amongst the cdc fda ema you know i mean around the entire world thousands of scientists
[2:15:48] and doctors and and public health experts you you really believe are conspiring for the sake of of
[2:15:56] helping pharmaceutical industries profit i i think i think this is a case example why that happens is
[2:16:05] because if you public if you conduct a study and get the results that runs counter to their interests
[2:16:12] they will destroy you i mean again i i had dr peter mcculloch i had dr pierre corey i had a bunch of
[2:16:18] other people come before congress testify truthfully their careers were destroyed they were destroyed it
[2:16:26] doesn't take too many people to be targeted and made an example of before everybody else kind of goes
[2:16:32] hmm i don't think i'll step out of line and so i think that's again the sympathy shown by mr big tree
[2:16:39] and mr siri in terms of the people that they convinced to do the study they they didn't basically
[2:16:46] want to rat them out you know i'm the one that ratted them out okay and so i i forced them along here
[2:16:52] okay it's because and again it's and i hope god i truthfully hope because i think the people who did those
[2:16:59] studies you know doctor would whatever than you know doctors are what is it doctors again i don't
[2:17:04] want to see them lose their job but i'd like to pin a medal on them in terms of good you you conducted
[2:17:10] a great study shame on you for not publishing it but we understand because we know you probably would
[2:17:18] have had your career destroyed all those years in medical schools all all the lives that you save and
[2:17:23] you treat patient you won't be able to do anymore because the certification bureaus the the boards all
[2:17:30] they will destroy again i've seen it i know the people it happened during covid so yeah i mean is
[2:17:37] it grand conspiracy i don't know what you call it it's certainly what i call the covet cartel and the
[2:17:44] medical establishment cartel and captured agencies yeah that that absolutely exists okay you you don't
[2:17:52] think so uh no i don't i think that uh i mean i i love people i love my patients i try to give them the
[2:18:03] best care that i can provide them i discuss the risks and benefits i discuss the risks and benefits
[2:18:08] of every vaccine or every intervention i have a nuanced conversation with them i don't shame them
[2:18:14] no matter what their views are do you think doctors should have been fired for prescribing ivermectin
[2:18:20] do you think they should have had their certification taken away from them you think
[2:18:23] they should have been sued you think that should happen to doctors by the way ivermectin hydroxychloroquine
[2:18:29] are all fda approved and you as a physician have full off-label prescription rights correct correct
[2:18:35] so again do you do you believe do you think it was right that doctors who prescribed ivermectin
[2:18:42] were fired were decertified lost their license do you think that should happen i don't have an opinion
[2:18:47] about that you really don't huh oh no i don't i mean i i've never thought about it i don't i don't think
[2:18:55] think about it now and we'll come and by the way by the way by the way i i truly want you to come
[2:18:59] back i would love to okay okay swear on the bible we're going to have you come back with peter mcculloch
[2:19:06] and dr pierre corey and brian cole uh might even have a dr malone just by the way don't don't leave
[2:19:12] because i i think i'm going to ask consent to have you come up and defend yourself seeing as you were
[2:19:16] slandered in this hearing uh i think we're kind of running the course here i mean i could keep going i
[2:19:22] mean i would recommend everybody watching the hearing this will be posted mr series response
[2:19:29] to dr scott's testimony i think it's important i think it's uh insightful um but what i will do is
[2:19:36] i'll give all three witnesses an opportunity to uh just make some concluding remarks um if i if i may
[2:19:43] just address a number of things that were said that i think are important to address just on the record
[2:19:47] i appreciate that opportunity in terms of the henry ford study first i'd like to just say that
[2:19:52] the scientists that engage in the study should be given incredible credit for having the fortitude
[2:19:57] to at least do the study now maybe they didn't go through it at the end of the day and publish it
[2:20:03] because they didn't uh they don't want to lose their jobs and they it got the result they didn't expect
[2:20:09] but they at least went and did it um which i could say is far more than i could say for most scientists
[2:20:14] that i've tried to interact with in terms of the claim with regards to uh um you know somebody asked well
[2:20:20] what did any journal say about it no journal had an opportunity because they don't want to get
[2:20:25] fired though they themselves have reaffirmed it and i litigate around studies all the time i've read
[2:20:30] hundred thousands i've you can watch my depositions regarding specific studies in terms of a design of
[2:20:36] this study this is probably one of the best designed studies in the area of vaccines i've ever seen
[2:20:42] by far and it is the best study and by the way no study is perfect it's hard it's hard to design
[2:20:49] these things and just you know absolutely give them that uh credit but what they did is is that
[2:20:54] unlike someone like some of these other studies that play games or have basically vaccinated versus
[2:20:59] vaccinated studies that's what most vaccine science is i'm going to compare this person that got x amount
[2:21:05] of x and this one got x amount and that's not where you should assess the safety of any product you
[2:21:10] got to look at folks who got it versus those that don't um the other thing is that the analogy i
[2:21:14] use on that is kind of like saying well we wanted to study the danger of arsenic let's compare it
[2:21:19] against hemlock yeah yeah yeah maybe not a perfect analogy i'm gonna do i'm gonna do this i'm gonna
[2:21:25] give one i'm gonna look at 17 vaccines in this group 60 in the other and i'm gonna say c vaccines
[2:21:30] don't cause autism for example that's not a good way to assess whether vaccines do or do not cause
[2:21:35] autism as an example now an issue kept being raised about adhd how could there be zero cases of
[2:21:40] adhd in the unvaccinated group first of all i'd like to point out that there are issues in the
[2:21:45] unvaccinated population in this study there are kids for example 52 children had asthma who were
[2:21:50] completely unvaccinated so obviously there are other environmental insults that can harm children
[2:21:55] not just vaccines right but when it comes to adhd and i have this in my submission the underlying
[2:22:01] science on adhd shows that it is a result of a form of immune system dysregulation adhd is blamed on
[2:22:09] something going wrong in the immune system of our kids and there is biological plausibility for
[2:22:13] precisely how vaccines could cause adhd and why you might have ended up zero and if dr scott ever
[2:22:20] looked at some of the other studies out there that do have vax unvaxxed then they're smaller they have
[2:22:25] not as robust as this but they exist one of them they also found far higher rates of adhd amongst the
[2:22:33] vaccinated population in terms of biological plausibility i will rest on my submissions
[2:22:39] where i go through each of these conditions site to peer-reviewed science that shows the etiology
[2:22:44] often is some some form of immune system issue and they can be caused by immune system related issues
[2:22:51] on the autism piece on the null hypothesis uh yes there was one case there were 23 cases of autism
[2:22:57] in the vaccinated group there was one case of autism in the unvaccinated group in this study
[2:23:01] back up until basically 2000 and for 2012 you could not diagnose and bill under the billing codes
[2:23:10] for adhd and autism you had to pick okay so most autism cases did end up in the adhd category up until
[2:23:17] that time because that's how the dsm-4 was structured at the time dsm-4 5 changed that system
[2:23:24] and so there's probably a lot of the autism is probably within the adhd category
[2:23:29] in this study by the way uh but but putting that aside um that also one is that you've lost those
[2:23:36] the adhd category and then two if you don't have enough power you can't reach a conclusion the the
[2:23:42] confidence interval crosses the one line on both sides so it could have it could be there's an
[2:23:46] increase that could be it could even be a decreased risk this study just can't tell you that's all i
[2:23:50] think it's fair to say you take a look at that henry ford study it's not perfect it's not necessarily
[2:23:56] determinative what it says is we ought to look at this more absolutely we ought to take this
[2:24:02] seriously i mean it's it's you know pretty high probability that you know heavy vaccination might
[2:24:08] lead to higher instance of chronic illness i mean it says that i mean that seems to be indisputable
[2:24:13] you know whether you can't read the whole thing is is everything is gospel and it's this is black and
[2:24:19] white the world is is gray and you were accused earlier of being cherry picking that three that
[2:24:25] uh a commonwealth fund study though i will point out that is what dr scott and the only study he
[2:24:31] put in the united states producing cover 19 that's been by the way that's been quoted here in these
[2:24:35] hearings before this i kept going what's where they gave this 3.2 what's that all about well i found out
[2:24:41] and i said like i said i did my own worth and i appreciate dr scott's anecdotal experience with
[2:24:45] covid but that's not the way we make scientific decisions we have to look at the data and i think when
[2:24:50] um uh when you look at the data all right not on slogans not on what people feel about these products
[2:24:58] okay i mean he might be i have no doubt mr scott dr scott's a very nice guy i don't know him he might
[2:25:03] be a very nice gentleman pretty good sport and he's been a great sport and he's endured a lot here today
[2:25:08] he has probably not been exposed to a lot of this data inside information and and that's true of most
[2:25:14] doctors that i depose i mean your typical pediatrician and id doctor excuse me infectious disease doctor when i
[2:25:19] depose him about vaccines they know nothing i mean you put him through the ringer on covid 19 vaccines
[2:25:24] but that's not what he's trained to know he doesn't he's not trained it's not within his knowledge
[2:25:29] it's not part of his training it's not what his typical experiences that's my experience with most
[2:25:33] doctors i mean they're bad they just don't know um and and at the end of the day you know i know that
[2:25:38] they're taught that there's this incredible body of science that underpins the safety of vaccines i
[2:25:44] could tell you as somebody who has to litigate these products that is just a slogan okay it is not
[2:25:51] true and the fact that there are so many doctors who agree that that's true is of no moment the fact
[2:25:58] that medical organizations say it is of no moment the only thing that matters is what the evidence
[2:26:04] itself actually shows and you can crowdsource as many clinical trials as you want from around the world
[2:26:10] randomly haphazardly on some excel file list on the internet but that does not change with the actual
[2:26:18] clinical trials were that were relied upon to license each child of vaccine and when you look
[2:26:23] at each one of those as we have done as we need to do for our work they are disturbing they do not
[2:26:30] affirm the safety of these products there is not a single routine injected child of vaccine that was
[2:26:35] licensed based on a trial that affirmed its safety okay thank you mr rogers or mr siri mr rogers thank
[2:26:43] you senator johnson for organizing this hearing i'm so grateful for your leadership in the senate and
[2:26:49] across america we're deeply indebted to you for your courage in the face of the wealthiest and most
[2:26:56] powerful industry in the history of the world so let me explain how all this works this is right in my
[2:27:01] wheelhouse this is what i study i follow the money autism is a political economy problem these are all
[2:27:07] political economy problems so let me explain how this works thus far government has failed in response to
[2:27:14] the autism epidemic because of regulatory capture rather than protecting public health regulators
[2:27:20] have advanced the interests of the pharmaceutical industry that's pretty straightforward science and
[2:27:26] medicine have failed in response to the autism epidemic because of epistemic capture and what i
[2:27:31] mean by that is that the pharmaceutical industry has captured every step in the knowledge production
[2:27:38] process in science and medicine big pharma controls what is studied how it is researched and what qualifies
[2:27:46] as evidence now this capture permeates every level of the system medical textbooks and curricula are
[2:27:52] influenced by financially conflicted academics universities and department chairs hold substantial
[2:27:58] pharmaceutical ties most clinical trials are conducted by for-profit contract research organizations
[2:28:05] in china and the third world a large share of scientific journal articles are ghostwritten the pharmaceutical
[2:28:11] industry spends over 27 billion dollars annually on drug promotion and continuing medical education
[2:28:16] standards of care are authored by conflicted physicians so from the first day of medical school to the final
[2:28:23] years of practice doctors live inside an epistemic bubble engineered by the pharmaceutical industry to increase
[2:28:30] its profits senator blumenthal and dr scott only pay attention to captured science science that's controlled by the
[2:28:40] pharmaceutical industry the correct answers the best science is happening outside of that epistemic bubble the
[2:28:48] entire system of knowledge production in science and medicine needs to be overhauled to liberate it from
[2:28:54] the biases and distortions imposed by the pharmaceutical industry so just to wrap up an estimated
[2:29:01] 1215 000 children develop autism every year in the united states that means that 315 children develop
[2:29:13] autism every day in the us and if dr sally ozanoff's work is correct and she's at uc davis she shows that
[2:29:22] 88 of autism cases are characterized by regression that means that so if she's right about that and i think
[2:29:30] she is that means that 277 children regress into autism every day in the
[2:29:37] United States now regression suggests an acute toxic exposure not genetics not
[2:29:46] better awareness an acute toxic exposure which means that most cases of autism
[2:29:53] are preventable autism is not a medical or scientific mystery we know beyond a
[2:30:00] reasonable doubt that toxicants mostly from vaccines and about a dozen
[2:30:04] additional toxicants are causing autism if we repeal the 1980 by Dole Act the
[2:30:11] 1986 National Childhood Vaccine Injury Act and the 2005 PrEP Act that would remove
[2:30:17] the structural incentives that created the autism epidemic and the chronic
[2:30:21] disease epidemics in this country thank you
[2:30:32] we'll give you the last the last word on this panel and again you you have you
[2:30:37] weather the storm you've been a good sport about this appreciate it thank you
[2:30:41] and no I appreciate debate I do I don't appreciate intimidation not that you are
[2:30:52] but there has been a very alarming degree of threats against doctors and in public
[2:31:08] health experts I mean I think that it's very important that we recognize the
[2:31:12] CDC shooting for for what it was and I hope that we can all agree that regardless of
[2:31:19] our beliefs and opinions about vaccine safety that we don't send mobs looking
[2:31:26] for scientists and and physicians okay can can we all please agree on that we we can
[2:31:33] agree that you shouldn't characterize those who don't vaccinate as violent what I can
[2:31:37] agree with that I believe what you're trying to say is you're characterizing
[2:31:40] those who take issue with this product is violent which is precisely what folks do
[2:31:44] when they don't agree with another person's position they dehumanize them in that
[2:31:48] matter so I don't agree on that score but I of course abhor and always condemn
[2:31:52] violence from anybody yeah so I certainly don't characterize people who have
[2:31:59] skepticism or whatever you want to call it okay you're accusing them of you know
[2:32:04] exactly what no no no I'm not referring to people who are skeptical of vaccines I'm
[2:32:09] referring to people like dr. Robert Malone I'm referring to people like Toby Rogers
[2:32:15] who implies that people like me should be executed I think he was completely
[2:32:21] I'll ask his counsel for a second he said there should be a trial that's an
[2:32:25] opportunity to have evidence that is not execution that is a court proceeding though
[2:32:29] I I'm not acting as mr. Rogers dr. Rogers attorney at the moment that's it so 20
[2:32:36] days after officer Rose was killed at the CDC leaving a young daughter and
[2:32:41] pregnant wife dr. Robert Malone who currently sits on the seat AC IP and
[2:32:47] sitting behind me posted on X to his 1 million followers we know Fauci is hiding
[2:32:52] out in Siena Italy but where in the world is Lena when and Rochelle Walensky
[2:32:57] inquiring minds want to know a sitting AC IP member asking for officials locations
[2:33:04] after targeted violence is not criticism that's incitement Johns Hopkins has
[2:33:12] documented that 57% of health departments reported harassment JAMA published data on
[2:33:18] widespread physician threats I myself received physician threats and I
[2:33:23] imagine that those will go up after this many officials have resigned from their
[2:33:28] positions CDC staff have described working in fear since the shooting this
[2:33:33] is not scientific debate that is intimidation okay and when someone
[2:33:39] advising CDC on vaccine policy asks where in the world officials are hiding
[2:33:44] after a deadly attack that crosses every line these are doctors and
[2:33:50] epidemiologists with families not enemies of the state and they deserve to
[2:33:56] work without fearing for their lives okay so that's one thing going back to the
[2:34:03] Henry Ford study I would love to see more people look at this and analyze it okay so
[2:34:11] let's put it out there all right that's better than your first position nothing
[2:34:15] nothing should be nothing should be it shouldn't be suppressed so I don't know
[2:34:19] why it was hidden for so long I've explained that I think it okay times yeah I
[2:34:22] don't really buy that but you don't buy that you don't buy that let let that
[2:34:27] describe do you accept the studies null hypothesis or sorry null finding for
[2:34:33] autism absolutely it had a null finding for autism clearly that's what it found 21 I mean
[2:34:38] it was right there in the study it said 23 cases of autism the vaccinated one in
[2:34:43] the unvaccinated provided plausible explanation right so and I explained
[2:34:45] exactly what it is and it's exactly what it says the data should say what the data
[2:34:49] says and unfortunately that's not what typically happens with with vaccine
[2:34:53] science okay good all right so I also just want to say that that we should all
[2:34:59] take autism seriously and we should all do everything we can to find the
[2:35:03] underlying cause okay if there is a link between an ingredient and vaccines I
[2:35:07] want to know about it why don't we just start with looking at the safety of the
[2:35:11] whole schedule which is what this study does I will also say that vaccines and
[2:35:17] autism has been studied more intensely perhaps than any other question in public
[2:35:23] health there was a Danish study that followed 1.2 million children for 24 years
[2:35:29] no autism link there was a meta-analysis of 1.25 million children no link
[2:35:34] sibling studies that control for genetics no link Denmark removed thimerosal on
[2:35:39] 1991 thimerosal was you know supposed to be the culprit right and then autism
[2:35:43] rates went up the US removed in 2003 rates continue to rise autism is
[2:35:49] approximately 80% heritable and develops in utero so the the apparent timing with
[2:35:54] vaccines likely reflects when symptoms become noticeable typically when children
[2:36:00] have scheduled visits that's correlation not causation every major health
[2:36:04] authority national academies CDC WHO Cochrane has examined this evidence and
[2:36:09] reached the same conclusion when independent research teams across
[2:36:14] different countries populations and decades consistently find no link that is
[2:36:19] pretty convincing to me but we should continue to do what we can to find the
[2:36:26] true underlying cause now I see a lot of patients I'm primarily a clinician okay I
[2:36:31] don't know every study out there in the world especially you know animal studies
[2:36:36] on mRNA in the brain okay laugh at me if you want yeah so but I primarily see
[2:36:45] patients and when I talk to them I give them the best information that I have so
[2:36:51] that they can make the best decisions for themselves I don't tell them to not to
[2:36:55] get a vaccine or not I have honest conversations with them and I think that
[2:37:01] it's it's important to note that a lot of the patients that I see come to me
[2:37:06] having been misdiagnosed with something you know I see a lot of patients who have
[2:37:12] chronic fatigue and a number of other symptoms I'm one of the few who's willing
[2:37:17] to see these people because a lot of other doctors aren't to be honest and I have deep
[2:37:24] respect and compassion for them there are a number of people who suffer from
[2:37:28] conditions like autism like chronic fatigue and we do need to find the
[2:37:32] underlying cause and we do not I do not dismiss those very serious issues okay but
[2:37:41] if we hang our hat on one thing because we have this confirmation bias we run the
[2:37:47] risk of totally detracting from actually finding the underlying cause okay and then
[2:37:54] you know these people suffer unnecessarily so yes we need to do everything we can to optimize
[2:38:02] vaccine safety we there are a number of things we can do to improve our vaccine safety monitoring
[2:38:07] systems no doubt there are a number of things we can do to investigate the underlying causes of
[2:38:12] autism and everything else but I do just want to just end by saying we need to be civil and we need to be
[2:38:23] respectful well Dr. Scott first of all I think I've been civil respectful you have I'm not accusing you I will say I
[2:38:33] I'm not accusing you I don't I don't hang my hat on anything other than I know we have been lied to I know to a certain extent science has been corrupted okay those things I just know because I've seen it okay I do have ask you one question because kind of like Bobby Kennedy I mean I didn't I didn't come here to do this okay maybe Bobby Kennedy was in
[2:38:58] environmental lawyer he'd give talks moms would show up with their t-shirts about their vaccinating children kept him at arm's length until one mom showed up on his front step and said I'm not going to leave till you read this the science this research and he did and he knows how to read science and once he did his eyes were open he couldn't he couldn't close
[2:39:18] you know Dell big tree produced a documentary called vaxxed and they took it on the road they weren't expecting this but everywhere they premiered this documentary little end up being thousands of parents showed up to telling their story we had in our hearing the vaccine injured we had one of the moms who lost her child to SIDS and in her SIDS support group what all the parents are talking about with the vaccine so I guess the question I have you is a clear
[2:39:54] clinician what what do you say because we have plenty of examples you know I'm seeing one sit right behind you others who testified what do you say to parents who had a perfectly healthy child at whatever age whatever age you know 18 months two years whatever take the child in to get a vaccine or multiple vaccines to come home that child has a severe fever seizures never others another word ends up being 20 years old so frustrated
[2:40:33] what do you say to parents who have parents who have that I know it's anecdotal I know it doesn't prove causation but what what what would you think if you're a parent perfectly healthy child talking developing great vaccine what do you say to those parents are they just making it up because I get that's what's being denied that's what I've seen and you know as I've gotten involved in this you know starting with the COVID injection injuries they're still being denied because nobody wants to have to deal with it nobody wants to admit they're wrong if you're a doctor and you suggested
[2:41:09] that injection or these vaccines you don't you don't want to admit that maybe that wasn't right for that person so and and and and society trust me doesn't want to bear the cost I mean the the the cost of compensating vaccine and injection injured again I'm a fiscal hawk we're worth 37 trillion dollars in debt that's that's a problem so again in real in all honesty what what do you say to those parents that have that experience
[2:41:38] well I certainly wouldn't dismiss their concerns I'm a parent if if one of my children you know came home after having been vaccinated and you know had a seizure yeah I would be concerned and so I try everything you know I truly sympathize with with my patients and I would truly sympathize with that parent and I would try to understand you know everything I could about that particular case
[2:42:09] and I would take it very seriously and I would sympathize it's yes I understand I do understand why it's concerning it sounds like you'd have an open mind yes and honestly that's all I'm asking I think that's all that anybody in this community is asking please God have an open mind have help help us discover the cause 100% help us understand this that's that's nobody nobody's suggesting violence nobody's trying to incite violence
[2:42:43] in this community is saying this to us and I think you know it's there's a lot of people who have been vaccinated they maybe they'll write something on Twitter that maybe they regret later on when it gets you know bandied out in a Senate hearing I do it's just it's just that pent up frustration of we've been ignored we've been we've been gaslit we've been vilified that's that's the problem so again I truly I appreciate I think you've been a very good witness you've you've you've you've you know obviously you're outnumbered
[2:43:14] pretty support and it sounds like you have an open mind so that's that's really all i'm asking of
[2:43:18] not only you but everybody else is have an open mind 100 okay we're on the same page there okay
[2:43:23] um so again very quick can i respond to the point of civility there's nobody out there that you can
[2:43:29] talk about the way that the the media and the medical profession talks about people that don't
[2:43:34] vaccinate throw them out of school kick them out of their jobs the way that those folks are treated
[2:43:39] they're not to be lectured by anybody about civility that is that that is that is the height of
[2:43:44] absurdity absurdity i mean truly absurdity so next i actually i actually it's an insult on top of
[2:43:52] injury that's what it is so i actually have one extra this is a genuine question because it always
[2:43:57] popped up during covid and i have to ask the same vaccines i asked repeatedly during covid if these
[2:44:03] things are so effective why do you care whether somebody else gets vaccinated i mean i think i
[2:44:11] think that applies to that i realize there's some children immunocompromised can't get vaccinated i
[2:44:16] i got that but well senator do you know you know our firm has the largest practice in the country that
[2:44:20] represents children that need medical exemption i will tell you i've never we don't have a single
[2:44:24] client who is immunoconstate they're they're you know the neutrophil levels are such that they're only
[2:44:30] susceptible to disease that could really injure them for the few that we've actually but not the other
[2:44:34] 1400 known pathogens it doesn't exist it's a myth it's a myth basically but it's a way to bludgeon again
[2:44:40] and the kids whose parents typically don't need these vaccines can i just say one thing about
[2:44:44] the autism bit just because it's been bandied about you know we sued the cdc for the studies
[2:44:49] that support that the fight the vaccines given in the first month of life do not cause autism we sued
[2:44:54] them because they wouldn't give it to us we said give us the studies that show the meningococcal vaccine
[2:44:57] the polio vaccine the hippie vaccine uh the hip vaccine and the hippie vaccine those five vaccines
[2:45:02] don't cause autism you know what they provided none we sued them in federal court they ended up in
[2:45:08] stipulated order they gave us 20 studies not one of them has to do with those vaccines they're all
[2:45:12] mmr or they're all thimerosal this notion that there's a mountain of studies out there that show
[2:45:17] vaccines with autism is ridiculous and i've heard the measles death in texas bandied about we represent
[2:45:22] one of those families we've seen the medical records one of those kids i can tell you for certain did
[2:45:27] not die from measles he died from hospital malfeasance that's what he died from he wasn't even having
[2:45:32] measles when he died and we'll be putting out a support on that and somebody else has reviewed the
[2:45:36] medical records of a second kid i agree we shouldn't engage in fear mongering mongering and if we're
[2:45:41] talking about the overview of the scientific literature instead of randomly looking at studies
[2:45:45] maybe start with the institute of medicine reviews of the entire body of literature from 1991 94 2012
[2:45:51] the hrq reports and you could see how vacuous vaccine safety science is i'll leave with last one last
[2:45:58] point look if vaccines are so safe why are they the only consumer product where you cannot sue the
[2:46:04] manufacturer for injuries to claim who's made safe there it's been 30 it's in 1980 it's been over 30
[2:46:11] years they're telling you have be safe hip safe these are safe you still need immunity okay let me tell
[2:46:16] you my definition of vaccine senator it's a product that causes so much injury that it has to have live
[2:46:22] usability for the injuries that it's called immunity for the injuries that it's causing that's what a vaccine
[2:46:26] is okay um so again i want to thank the witnesses um and again you know i've just gotta i'd love to have you
[2:46:34] back and talk about treatment because again that's that's what kind of drives me nuts now um dr malone
[2:46:40] i see you just standing up i will i will say that the advice of my staff is you know let let you respond
[2:46:48] to the comments made against you to the media but if you want to i mean i'm gonna not i'm gonna ignore
[2:46:55] the advice of my my my staff here but you'd have to be sworn in if you want to come up here i'll offer
[2:47:01] i'll offer that opportunity i'll dismiss i'll just okay i'll dismiss the other panel mr scott
[2:47:09] i'd like to say hello my name is dr robert malone nice to meet you mr and a vaccine i know the answers
[2:47:13] to all those questions that you don't know he's not here so close out this hearing you want to do it
[2:47:25] okay okay okay just hang on i've got it there are committee rules hang on stability okay so we we
[2:47:49] by rule we have to allow senator bloomfeld to come back here okay so before i do any of this we have
[2:47:55] to give him that opportunity do is there a time limit on this yeah okay so why don't you again this panel's
[2:48:07] dismissed we'll i'll sit here this panel you're dismissed thank you again for your testimony and
[2:48:43] you know dr scott we might might get another invitation letter here sometime in the future
[2:48:47] okay thank you much thank you senator johnson so so while we are waiting for senator blumenthal to arrive
[2:52:06] we'll just put this hearing into recess and we'll reconvene it when senator blumenthal comes okay the
[2:59:06] the hearing will now reconvene i think dr malone has been mentioned a couple times and i think i've
[2:59:14] given him the opportunity to be sworn in and defend himself so dr malone you throw the testimony you
[2:59:24] give before the subcommittee be the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god
[2:59:28] i'll let you make your statement various comments have been made about intent
[2:59:41] and meaning concerning in uh particular uh three tweets or three they're not actually tweets
[2:59:51] they're part of a weekly roundup of memes that my wife and i published through our substack malone.news
[2:59:59] we put out over the last four years thousands of essays and we get a little bit of a break we put
[3:00:07] them out seven days a week but we get a little bit of a break on fridays and sundays by doing a roundup of
[3:00:14] memes that other people have posted previously they're sourced from many different places
[3:00:20] and we typically cluster them around topic areas now unfortunately the morning and just a little
[3:00:28] more context of course i speak here as a private party even though i am appointed as a special
[3:00:35] government employee serve at the discretion of the secretary on the advisory committee on immunization
[3:00:42] practices for the centers for disease control and prevention i have 30 years of experience in
[3:00:48] vaccine development i have multiple fundamental patents and discoveries of which six have to do
[3:00:56] with mrna vaccines they're all filed between 1990 and 1991 that have subsequently issued those are the
[3:01:06] foundational documents in rna vaccination history they go back to my original invention disclosure
[3:01:14] about the use of rna as a drug at the salk institute working in indervirma's lab in the molecular biology
[3:01:19] and virology laboratories of the salk institute circa 1987 this predates the work of curicol and weissman by
[3:01:26] well over a decade mrna vaccines were reduced to practice at vical in approximately 1991 again published i hold
[3:01:38] over 100 papers thousands and thousands of citations i'm recognized internationally for my work
[3:01:46] work and as i say it goes far beyond mrna vaccines i've been asked to testify at the world health
[3:01:52] organization twice i played a key role in bringing forward the new health public health agency of
[3:02:03] canada vaccine for ebola and got it sold to the company merck because i believed merck was the most
[3:02:10] appropriate firm to further develop that vaccine and i helped get hundreds of millions of dollars of federal
[3:02:16] funding to support the development of that ebola vaccine at merck which was subsequently licensed
[3:02:23] i am a vaccinologist i am an immunologist i am trained as a pathologist i taught medical school
[3:02:30] pathology for decades but when i spoke about medical ethics early on in the covered crisis and the fact
[3:02:40] that coercion compulsion and enticement were not consistent with the norms of medical ethics a discipline
[3:02:46] that i've been trained in extensively because i do clinical research that led to my being asked to
[3:02:55] comment about the technology for rna vaccination having developed it and that led to an incredible
[3:03:05] wave of hate and blacklisting and defamation now among those were many articles from say new york times the
[3:03:15] washington post atlantic monthly business insider etc etc but the consequence of this was that my
[3:03:23] consulting business that had been operating for over 20 years was destroyed it's not the first time that
[3:03:28] had been a whistleblower and had my profession destroyed unlike some of these folks as physicians
[3:03:35] that were unwilling to speak out i have spoken out i spoke out in particular about the death that occurred at
[3:03:42] upenn having to do with jesse galsinger and the use of adenovirus vectored gene therapy and when i did
[3:03:49] that i destroyed my academic career which is why i transitioned to working primarily with the us army
[3:03:56] particularly working in biodefense i have many friends within the biodefense sector have worked in
[3:04:03] there for years have secret clearance from the department of defense have been involved in virtually every
[3:04:12] major biodefense vaccine product that has been developed for the u.s military but i destroyed again my
[3:04:23] consulting business by speaking out about what i was observing particularly about the bioethics of the
[3:04:29] mandates the coercion and enticement that occurred and since then i've had to find some way to make a living
[3:04:37] and the way that i make a living as a licensed physician is to publish a substack essay once a day
[3:04:48] day after day after day year after year after year and as i said every friday and every sunday my wife
[3:04:57] and one of our associates pulls together memes from the prior week assembles them around topic areas and
[3:05:05] publishes them unfortunately the morning and your initial statements conflated this the timeline the
[3:05:16] morning of friday when this unfortunate event occurred at the cdc we published one of the memes of many
[3:05:26] including one that referenced you and your attacks on janine piero accusing her of being a conspiracy
[3:05:33] theorist but in that collection of memes there was one that used a metaphor for random chance with severe
[3:05:44] outcomes that metaphor was russian roulette russian roulette is a metaphor it is just like any form of roulette
[3:05:54] only it has a very severe outcome and that particular meme meant to make a point that when you have a random
[3:06:03] event with a severe outcome it can appear statistically to be inconsequential but in fact it has a major
[3:06:13] impact hence the chamber with one bullet in a revolver and the statement that five out of six would agree
[3:06:24] that russian roulette is safe it is a metaphor it is not a violent indication it had no indication of any
[3:06:33] weapon being pointed at anybody then on the following sunday after the event that occurred approximately
[3:06:40] 5 p.m at the cdc and i concur with you and have expressed as a member of the acip to cdc my deep regret
[3:06:49] about what transpired but the following sunday two of the memes in the collection referenced elizabeth
[3:06:58] warren's statement that one doesn't need 20 rounds to be a hunter if you need 20 rounds you're not
[3:07:05] a good hunter and that provoked a lot of response from second amendment supporters and two of
[3:07:14] those responses we happen to collect and post together one of them specifically referenced the senator and
[3:07:22] made a statement that the meme went well she's saying if you don't if you need 20 rounds to be a hunter
[3:07:30] you're not a very good hunter and the response was if you need to disarm the population then you're not a very good
[3:07:37] governor the other one was the one that you posted i don't believe that's an automatic weapon but i'm
[3:07:44] not a specialist i don't actually own any guns except for a couple pellet guns that i used to kill rodents
[3:07:50] on my horse farm in central virginia about 10 miles from the home former home of james madison that was
[3:07:58] cited earlier as a strong supporter of an armed populace and the second amendment but i'm not a gun nut i don't
[3:08:08] carry guns the meme was referring to the senator's facetious statement and it was poking fun back at
[3:08:18] her and i think most would agree that humor is a very effective way to resolve tension and to discuss
[3:08:29] sensitive political topics and our friday funnies and sunday strip are probably what is paying most of
[3:08:37] the bills now and allowing me to buy hay for my horses because my audience really enjoys them that's
[3:08:46] all they were was meme collections humor by the way free speech and none of those were ones that we
[3:08:55] originated by the way and none of them had anything to do with inciting violence you made a statement
[3:09:02] earlier that i have advocated violence against scientists i object to that i haven't advocated
[3:09:10] violence for anybody and those memes do not advocate violence the first one refers to basically a quirk
[3:09:20] in statistics and the second one refers to a political statement from senator elizabeth warren which
[3:09:28] was intended on her part to be humorous and the responses were also intended as humor thank you for
[3:09:36] allowing me to comment on your i uh let's say and by the way i think you also said on msnbc that i
[3:09:44] was unqualified to serve on the acip when i heard that it was brought to my attention moments after you
[3:09:51] said it i called up your office and i said you know the senator probably has never read my cv can i come in
[3:10:01] and talk to one of your staff at your office and go over this thinking that there must be a misunderstanding
[3:10:09] and i was given the number the contact information email to set up a meeting with one of your staffers
[3:10:17] and i would have been glad to drive up here from my farm in central virginia and meet with one of your
[3:10:22] staffers go over my cv and discuss your concerns unfortunately they never got back to me so i'm for me
[3:10:33] by the way senator blumenthal i used to be a registered democrat i grew up in the central coast of california
[3:10:39] uh what i've observed during the biden administration completely turned me around
[3:10:47] like many people like sasha stone like many people in this audience regarding the statements that were
[3:10:54] made earlier by the young doctor um in which he cited a tweet that i put out actually my wife
[3:11:02] reprimanded me she thought that was a little too edgy where i commented on anthony fauci seeking refuge in
[3:11:11] siena italy now how do i know about that because i go to italy a lot and i was approached by two
[3:11:17] whistleblowers including one from the policeman's union that has been tracking anthony fauci's move
[3:11:23] movements within italy and told me about a number of things that he has been doing and asked me to get
[3:11:30] that information back to the government so i was aware of his movements in italy hence the comment
[3:11:38] and regarding my comment about lena when and the former director of the cdc former director has
[3:11:45] repeatedly lied to the american public and then after resignation or uh what do we want to call it
[3:11:53] has gone completely silent not be heard of no testimony no request for forgiveness no acknowledgement
[3:12:01] of those lies and more about those lies i suspect may come out soon i speculate because i'm not able to
[3:12:09] speak about what we know at the acip regarding lena when she made a series of statements about what is
[3:12:18] essentially violence that she believed should be done to the unvaccinated during covet i'd like lena
[3:12:25] when to apologize i'd like to know where lena when is i'd like to know what she's doing right now
[3:12:31] not because i want to cause her any violence or harm but i'd like her to be held accountable i'd like
[3:12:38] both of them to be asked why did you say these things during this crucial time these things that
[3:12:46] caused so much pain that caused so much harm that was so divisive that politicized public health during
[3:12:55] the covet crisis unnecessarily why did you say those things do you regret them now do you have any sense of
[3:13:03] what you did that's why i'd like to know where they are i'd like to have them stand up and acknowledge to
[3:13:10] the american public that they did wrong thank you for the opportunity to speak and to address these
[3:13:16] comments and i'm glad to respond to any question you happen to want to ask senator blumenthal recognizing
[3:13:23] that i am under oath uh dr malone uh senator blumenthal you have any questions uh just a couple of
[3:13:31] questions i just want to make sure i have the the facts right here first of all let me say i was unaware
[3:13:36] that you called my office if you want to sit down i'd be happy to do so and i'm glad to do so anytime
[3:13:43] thank you second uh you're a member of the advisory committee on immunization practices in the cdc correct
[3:13:53] correct sir you were appointed by secretary kennedy after he fired all 17 of the previous members
[3:14:00] correct which i had no role in doing my view tell me if i'm wrong is the advisory committee on
[3:14:08] immunization practices also known as asap is a position of immense public trust that's your opinion
[3:14:19] personally i think the asip is a federal faqa committee which should be immune from intimidation
[3:14:25] and which has uh had mission creep that's my opinion i think that this committee and the the sense of
[3:14:33] importance attributed to this committee is grossly overplayed the committee's role has responsibility
[3:14:39] for deciding no it doesn't this committee has responsibilities for advising the director of
[3:14:45] the cdc only deciding in its view what vaccines should be recommended and then providing that advice
[3:14:54] to the secretary or to the cdc correct that is one interpretation i take a much narrower view of the
[3:15:02] charter of the asip having to head had to spell let me just say i view this committee as a one of public
[3:15:11] trusts i view it as seriously responsible for providing advice to the secretary and that's the reason why
[3:15:24] he wanted you there and i have no quarrel with your expressing your views as a matter of first amendment
[3:15:34] rights whether they were intended for humor or some other reason but in a position of public trust
[3:15:49] you have a responsibility consider the practical effect of your words beyond just your personal
[3:15:58] consideration and you may have a first amendment right to say what you wish and you do i would defend
[3:16:08] that right but as a matter of a public official in a position of public trust the post that you did
[3:16:20] had consequences in your mind i'm sorry in your mind you made an interpretation about the bulk of
[3:16:29] americans recognize humor your your comment uh is that on the morning of august 8 hours before a gunman
[3:16:40] fired 200 rounds at the cdc all true you put up a post with a gun and we had it here yes it was
[3:16:54] posted you you shared it with us at the beginning of the meeting uh and that's a pretty threatening
[3:17:04] post i would say if you believe that's threatening then clearly you haven't watched netflix we are
[3:17:10] constantly bombarded by violent images they are part of our culture that is not a threatening post in my
[3:17:19] opinion unfortunately we are also all too commonly experiencing gun violence in this country which is
[3:17:26] that's a fascinating point because of the linkage between gun violence and certain medications which
[3:17:32] does not condone any person in a position of public trust doing something that could in some way
[3:17:41] normalize it or make it okay let me just ask you you infer that that normalizes gun violence that post
[3:17:50] about random chance so so we're gonna have let me just let's wrap this up because here i'll end it
[3:17:56] with this question 48 hours after that gunman killed a police officer guarding the cdc as a member of the
[3:18:12] advisory committee on immunization practices for the cdc you posted that second one here together with
[3:18:23] another one that made it very clear that both were about elizabeth warren's statement which is the one
[3:18:29] at the top of that means so my question to you dr malone is as a member of that advisory committee to
[3:18:36] the cdc did you think about how the dedicated employees of the cdc the scientists and researchers
[3:18:46] and public health advocates would take that kind of post given that they had just been through
[3:18:53] one of the most traumatic experiences of their lifetime they're building under lockdown because
[3:19:00] there was an armed gunman firing at them and killing a police officer did you consider how they
[3:19:08] would react and senator blumenthal i'm under oath and the truth is no i didn't i had to go feed the
[3:19:15] horses take care of the farm my wife put together the memes i looked through them and i said go ahead and
[3:19:22] post it now in terms of the traumatization of cdc members they live in atlanta i used to live in
[3:19:29] north atlanta gunfire is normal in atlanta it happens all the time don't you regret those posts i don't
[3:19:38] i have no further questions okay thank you um probably one of you notice if you wouldn't have blown out of
[3:19:45] proportion but uh anyway uh the record for this hearing will remain open for 15 days until wednesday
[3:19:50] september 24th 2025 at 5 p.m for the submission of statements and questions for the record this
[3:19:55] hearing is adjourned