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"All right, folks, we have some truly stunning and genuinely hilarious breaking news. It seems that knives are out, metaphorically speaking, for Donald Trump's new press secretary, Katie Zachariah, after her disastrous debut behind the White House press briefing lectern. And the knives are out for..."
[0:03] All right, folks, we have some truly stunning and genuinely hilarious breaking news.
[0:08] It seems that knives are out, metaphorically speaking, for Donald Trump's new press secretary,
[0:14] Katie Zachariah, after her disastrous debut behind the White House press briefing lectern.
[0:21] And the knives are out for her on Fox News.
[0:25] MAGA Fox News hosts like Sean Hannity, Brian Kilmeade, Lawrence Jones in back-to-back Fox
[0:32] appearances late last night and one just a little while ago this morning, humiliated Katie
[0:38] Zachariah, criticizing her and actually putting her through the ringer, relatively speaking.
[0:44] And we have to talk about this because the tenor and tone are very different for Zachariah
[0:50] now compared to what it was a few days ago and certainly compared to what it was when
[0:55] Carolyn Levitt was Trump's press secretary.
[0:58] What the hell is going on at Fox?
[1:00] But before we unpack all that, if you end up liking this video and you want to support
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[1:08] go.
[1:09] All right, folks, we've got some clips to look at, but just to give you again kind of an
[1:12] overview here.
[1:13] Mediate reports Sean Hannity puts Trump's press secretary through the ringer.
[1:17] What happened?
[1:19] Then MAGA Fox host Lawrence Jones confronts Katie Zachariah about not telling Trump she failed
[1:25] the bar exam.
[1:26] Oof.
[1:27] And then Lawrence Jones saying, do you even have the confidence of Trump after the disastrous
[1:34] press briefing?
[1:35] This is a big deal, folks.
[1:36] It's a big friggin deal.
[1:38] So let's dive in.
[1:39] We're going to start.
[1:41] I think we're going to start with Hannity.
[1:42] We're going to do this in chronological order.
[1:45] It did not go particularly well at all.
[1:48] So this was her appearance on Hannity late last night.
[1:51] Straight ahead.
[1:52] All right, Katie, I know this is a widely viewed interview for you.
[1:57] And you had your first first moment as press secretary.
[2:02] It's been widely panned.
[2:04] I'm sure you're aware it only lasted 14 minutes.
[2:07] You only took three questions, questions about your legal background, calling yourself a lawyer.
[2:13] You you went to Pepperdine Law School, but you did not pass the bar exam, correct?
[2:18] Correct.
[2:19] OK, what happened?
[2:22] How did you feel it went personally?
[2:24] Well, Sean, I want to give some background.
[2:26] And it's nice to be on here with you and such a privilege to serve as President Trump's
[2:30] new press secretary.
[2:32] I was given the offer last Wednesday or I got a phone call last Wednesday.
[2:37] I flew out to D.C. on Thursday.
[2:39] I had a meeting on Friday, was offered the job, flew home to California on Saturday, flew
[2:45] back to Washington on Sunday, was asked to start on Monday, Sean, which is Columbus Day.
[2:52] And so it's a federal holiday and have a press briefing at 930 in the morning on Tuesday.
[2:57] So what I feel is I really stepped up and to the plate to do the press conference, Sean,
[3:03] with very little prep time.
[3:05] I received briefing materials in the morning of Tuesday and I went to deliver all of the
[3:12] great results that President Trump is delivering.
[3:14] You're not even stepping up the plate in this interview by Sean Hannity, Donald Trump's BFF
[3:22] over at Fox News.
[3:23] You can't even manage this.
[3:24] You're about to have a panic attack in this situation, which is the friendliest possible
[3:30] environment you could be in.
[3:32] And by the way, it's interesting since, you know, she had this conversation with Hannity,
[3:36] former Obama communications director Dan Pfeiffer.
[3:40] So the guy who basically would have been her boss, right, the press secretary's boss, he went
[3:46] on to explain that the amount of time she describes having to prep, especially given her previous
[3:52] media experience, right?
[3:53] She's not like a neophyte.
[3:54] She's not a dilettante.
[3:56] She's been in the media before.
[3:57] She's a media personality, a MAGA, you know, a pundit.
[4:03] Most press secretaries don't get the amount of time for briefings that she claims she got.
[4:09] So that's even more reason you should have succeeded instead of failed.
[4:14] This doesn't help you at all.
[4:15] For the American people that are not often spread in the national media.
[4:19] So I took it as an opportunity so people would know what he's doing for Americans and how
[4:25] hard he's working.
[4:26] And then I delivered some breaking news.
[4:29] I think I'm one of the first press secretaries to deliver staff changes for the administration.
[4:34] And I was honored that President Trump trusted me delivering that information.
[4:39] And then I took several questions and I think it's been mixed, Sean, because they've said
[4:45] I only took questions from conservative outlets.
[4:48] However, the Daily Mail is not known to be a conservative outlet or friendly to conservatives.
[4:54] So they are conservative outlet.
[4:56] Absolutely.
[4:57] What the hell are you talking about?
[4:59] They are a British tabloid with a right wing meant.
[5:03] I do challenge that narrative.
[5:04] And then, as I should have, I ended the conference and I left as I believe, given the fact that
[5:13] I'd been on the job less than maybe eight hours and had a briefing book in the morning,
[5:18] I feel like I did my very best, Sean, to deliver for the American people that day.
[5:24] She's again, she's failing to do her job even in this context, too.
[5:30] She is just not up for it.
[5:32] She looks like she's about to break down right now.
[5:34] Am I hearing that you think the staff should have prepped you better?
[5:40] Well, I believe that in that time, I could have just given a brief intro and said I'm
[5:46] only here to introduce myself and I want to engage with the press corps.
[5:51] I'm someone who wants to build relationships with every single one of you.
[5:55] I, however, have been on the job for one day.
[5:58] And I now need to, you know, instead of taking questions, probably should have stepped aside.
[6:04] However, I was able to ask.
[6:06] I was able to deliver breaking news, which I do believe was the right thing to do as the
[6:10] press secretary, Sean.
[6:11] See how, see how I've just I'm stunned by this.
[6:18] It's atrocious.
[6:20] So she basically throws her staff under the bus, realizes what she does, tries to walk it back
[6:24] and says, well, I delivered breaking news.
[6:26] That is not a reflection of your skill or your competence at the job.
[6:31] There just happened to be breaking news you could provide.
[6:33] Sobia, I guess, earlier tonight, and you called it a conspiracy theory as it relates to
[6:40] the issue of being a lawyer.
[6:42] Now, you did go to Pepperdine.
[6:43] Pepperdine is a good school, no doubt about it.
[6:47] You took the bar exam, but you didn't pass the bar exam, correct?
[6:52] Yes, Sean.
[6:54] OK, did you ever.
[6:56] Oh, no, because remember, she presented herself as a lawyer and that was the initial reporting.
[7:00] But then I guess somebody was like, you know, we have no reason to take that.
[7:05] At face value, she's a MAGA pundit, which means by definition, there's a high probability
[7:10] that she's a pathological liar, right?
[7:12] Because MAGA is an inherently dishonest political movement, much more so than any other political
[7:18] movement in modern American history.
[7:20] Then they did some digging and it turns out she's not an attorney.
[7:23] Take it a second time.
[7:24] So for background, I graduated Pepperdine, got married in the same week, and we had all
[7:33] intend to move out to China.
[7:36] I had already pre-registered for the bar exam and during basically during the summer, I
[7:42] knew I would be living in China and the results of the bar were inconsequential.
[7:46] And I sat for it because I didn't want to have a withdrawal status.
[7:50] And then I moved over to China and where I did get a job in an international practice of
[7:55] a Chinese law firm.
[7:57] I was doing cross-country border transactions and multi-million dollar shareholder agreements.
[8:03] But I want to ask you specifically, I know that part of the story.
[8:06] Dude, he's so unimpressed, he's cutting her off to keep grilling her.
[8:11] This is Trump's new press secretary.
[8:14] Sean Hannity is a MAGA Fox News host.
[8:17] This is by far the most adversarial interview any of us have ever seen between Hannity and
[8:24] someone in Trump's inner circle.
[8:26] Why?
[8:27] That's what's interesting.
[8:28] Why?
[8:29] You did do all of that.
[8:31] Yes.
[8:31] But did you ever take the bar exam a second time?
[8:34] I did not, Sean.
[8:35] Or a third time?
[8:36] No.
[8:36] You did not.
[8:36] Okay.
[8:37] So you said you consulted with many people and they advised you that it was okay to call
[8:43] yourself a lawyer but not an attorney, correct?
[8:46] Correct.
[8:46] Okay, there's a report out tonight that showed 15 social media posts where you identify yourself
[8:54] as an attorney.
[8:55] I think they were retweets and I corrected the record and said that there's not endorsing
[9:01] the title.
[9:02] They were retweets of a title that had been given.
[9:06] Oh my God.
[9:07] Again, you can see she's recognizing, I don't know, maybe she was sandbagged here.
[9:12] Maybe it's not just a lack of preparation and a lack of talent.
[9:15] It's entirely possible.
[9:16] She had no idea that Hannity was going to grill her like this.
[9:19] I mean, if I were in her position, unless someone gave me a heads up, I would not expect
[9:23] to be grilled by Hannity remotely or to be asked any challenging question because she's
[9:30] a MAGA hack.
[9:31] Hannity's a MAGA hack.
[9:32] It sure seems like he's sandbagging her in real time.
[9:35] And now I have no sympathy for her because these are actually perfectly reasonable questions
[9:38] and she sucks.
[9:39] But it's watching Godzilla fight Ghidorah.
[9:44] It's just a kaiju monster movie right here.
[9:47] You know, look, that is a very tough room.
[9:51] And I've known a lot of press secretaries over the years and following on the heels of
[9:55] Caroline Leavitt is very tough.
[9:58] And speaking for Donald Trump makes everything tougher.
[10:02] Why not just say I went to Pepperdine Law School and then took a different career path
[10:06] and I took the bar once and didn't pass it.
[10:09] Why get into this long, drawn out definition between the difference between a lawyer and
[10:13] an attorney?
[10:14] Because I don't think most people see much of a distinction.
[10:17] Why didn't you just say I never practiced law?
[10:21] Well, Sean, when I moved back from the United States, I didn't retake the bar.
[10:25] I had four kids in six years.
[10:26] It was never my intent to go into the practice of law.
[10:30] When I went to go engage in media and give legal analysis, I consulted attorneys and legal
[10:36] professionals as to whether or not they agreed that I could be labeled a lawyer, both because
[10:41] I had a valid jurist doctor from a good law school, a reputable law school, Pepperdine
[10:46] Law School, and in conjunction with the fact that I did have actual substantive legal experience,
[10:52] I wasn't providing any legal analysis, Sean, or excuse me, legal advice.
[10:56] I wasn't being paid for legal advice.
[10:58] I was giving a general review of.
[11:01] She's pissed.
[11:03] You can see in her face.
[11:03] Not only is she embarrassed, she's angry.
[11:05] You can see it in her face.
[11:07] You can hear the closest thing to a possible edge in her voice.
[11:11] Now she's not only embarrassed and caught off guard, she is defensive.
[11:14] The legal circumstances surrounding it.
[11:18] All right.
[11:18] Why only three questions in 14 minutes?
[11:21] And what might you do a little differently going forward?
[11:24] I can give you some unsolicited advice that's never going to be a friendly room to you.
[11:29] Yeah, so what I would say is I would absolutely be very well prepared on the briefing, Sean.
[11:39] And I would love, and I do love questions, and I would love to build a relationship with
[11:44] all of those members of the press corps.
[11:46] And then they play her off.
[11:49] He grills her.
[11:51] He asks her actually reasonable questions, but certainly by MAGA fare, very, very tough questions.
[11:57] And then they're like, yeah, we're done with you.
[11:59] We're playing you off.
[12:00] Like, they basically hook her off stage.
[12:03] Holy shit.
[12:04] That was Sean Hannity.
[12:05] And again, we're going to play some of her encounter on Fox and Friends this morning,
[12:11] you know, engaging with three MAGA Fox News hosts here, Lawrence Jones, Ainsley Earhart,
[12:17] Brian Kilmeade.
[12:18] This also did not go well.
[12:20] We can, man, you're hitting the ground running.
[12:22] Katie, first off, thanks so much for joining us.
[12:24] Congratulations.
[12:25] Look at how visibly unimpressed Lawrence Jones is.
[12:29] He just, you know, the others are trying to kind of awkwardly smile.
[12:32] Lawrence Jones is like coming for you.
[12:37] You thought Hannity was bad.
[12:38] He's like, I'm going to pick up where Hannity left off.
[12:41] Okay, let's dive in.
[12:42] On the job.
[12:44] Your thoughts about how it's gone so far.
[12:48] Brian, thank you for having me.
[12:50] It's such a privilege to be here on behalf of President Trump.
[12:52] And I was, I hit the ground running after the briefing.
[12:56] We went to Alaska, Arizona, Montana, and this president, every single rally is a different speech.
[13:02] And I have to tell you, as we pulled up to this rural Montana rally,
[13:06] that place was overwhelmed with major supporters.
[13:10] And what it reminds me, Brian, is that America loves President Trump.
[13:14] And when you read the news or when you read online, they have all this hate.
[13:18] But the real ground truth is all of these rallies are making a substantial difference for these midterms.
[13:23] And it has been a blitz.
[13:25] This president Trump has more energy, more enthusiasm, and more drive to save America.
[13:30] And I'm so excited to be along the journey with him.
[13:33] And I have to keep up with him because he has so much energy, Brian.
[13:36] You know, Katie, it's been a tough week for you.
[13:40] You know, it's not an easy job to be the press secretary.
[13:44] And you never want to be the story.
[13:46] But I have to ask, do you wish you would have disclosed to the president about the bar and not passing the bar?
[13:55] Yeah, well, Lawrence, those questions weren't asked.
[13:58] I'm being hired as White House press secretary and not White House counsel.
[14:02] The conversations and the reason I was, the reason that I was hired was to represent the president in the press.
[14:09] I was watching your interview last night.
[14:13] It was so, I mean, you could see Lawrence Jones even braced himself physically before going for the throat there.
[14:19] Again, asking a perfectly reasonable question.
[14:21] I just want to say it's by MAGA standards.
[14:23] It's by Fox standards.
[14:24] We've never seen Carolyn Levitt face an adversarial interview like this.
[14:28] Tonight on Sean's show.
[14:30] And God bless you because it's the, other than the president, I think it would be the hardest job.
[14:35] Because you have to know all the facts.
[14:36] You have to speak off the cuff.
[14:38] And you were just thrown into this role.
[14:40] So, is there anything that you would say differently or clarify differently on Sean's interview last night?
[14:46] Or the White House press briefing, your first briefing, anything you'd do differently?
[14:50] You know, I'm just so grateful to be here.
[14:53] And I'm really looking forward to be an asset to President Trump and focusing on what he's doing for the American people.
[15:00] And the legacy media wants to put the focus and attention on me because they want to be distracted.
[15:05] They wanted to be distracted from the major wins that President Trump is making for America.
[15:10] That doesn't work because you're not on legacy media.
[15:14] You're on Fox News.
[15:16] This is as friendly as it's going to get.
[15:19] And you totally whiffed.
[15:22] You totally failed.
[15:23] It's Fox asking you this question.
[15:25] It's not CBS.
[15:26] It's not ABC.
[15:27] It's Fox.
[15:28] And if you can't handle Fox, what can you handle as a MAGA pundit?
[15:32] One last question, courtesy of Lawrence Jones.
[15:35] Katie, looking forward, what are you planning?
[15:38] When's the next press briefing?
[15:39] Will you have another one?
[15:40] Well, I'll be working in close coordination with the communications department, the president, to determine when the best next time for a press briefing is.
[15:48] And I'm really looking forward to working with the press, looking with the journal, working with all of the journalists and everyone here.
[15:54] And it's really a true privilege.
[15:55] And I am excited to do it.
[15:58] And it's going to be a wonderful journey.
[15:59] And we have a lot to look forward to as a country.
[16:01] And there is no better president to work for than President Trump.
[16:05] He is just the most hardworking, incredible man.
[16:08] And I'm grateful to be here.
[16:10] Katie, do you, and it's a tough question, do you think you still have the confidence of the president?
[16:17] I'm standing here.
[16:18] And I was able to travel with him through all of the midterm convention, or excuse me, the midterm rallies.
[16:24] And I hope to be able to build the trust and confidence of everyone around me.
[16:29] All right, Katie.
[16:30] Thanks so much for joining Fox and Friends this morning.
[16:32] Thank you so much.
[16:33] That's so bad.
[16:35] Oh, my God.
[16:36] Okay.
[16:37] I love it.
[16:38] Again, terrible person, conspiracy theorist, you know, lunatic, apparently a liar.
[16:44] So I don't mind this at all.
[16:46] I'm just, it's interesting that this happened back to back on Fox News.
[16:50] It makes you wonder if there was a plan by the MAGA Fox host.
[16:54] Perhaps they have some sort of personal antipathy towards her.
[16:58] Perhaps this is coming from within the Trump administration.
[17:01] I'm just trying to imagine maybe somebody sent out the bat signal from the White House to Fox like, yeah, you need to, you need to basically excoriate Katie Zachariah.
[17:11] Yeah, I have no idea.
[17:13] But of course, everyone's talking about this.
[17:14] Liberal pundits floored by Sean Hannity's grilling of Katie Zachariah on Fox News.
[17:18] She is cooked.
[17:20] Let's see.
[17:21] Aaron Rupar, of course, who provided the clips, commenting on this.
[17:24] Will Sommer of the Bulwark says,
[17:25] This is the toughest interview I've ever seen Sean Hannity give a Republican.
[17:29] Crazy stuff.
[17:31] Matt Rye says,
[17:32] I don't think I've ever seen Hannity press a Republican, let alone a White House staffer like this.
[17:37] She's cooked.
[17:39] It's very difficult to imagine Sean taking this tone and approach with Zachariah unless he knew it's what Trump and others would be okay with or wanted, says Yashar Ali.
[17:49] Max Taney of Semaphore says,
[17:51] Hannity knows Trump watches his show.
[17:52] His decision to ask Katie Zachariah real questions instead of just defending her or criticizing the media seems notable.
[18:00] Justin Barragona of Zeteo says,
[18:02] Considering that Hannity is Trump's shadow chief of staff, I think we know how this is going to end for her.
[18:07] You can see the exact moment she realized it wasn't going to be the typical Hannity love fest when he sternly asked her if she was blaming the staff for not preparing her.
[18:15] Her heart immediately sunk as she knew it was over for her.
[18:19] MAGA commentator Ian Miles Chong says, Sean Hannity just ended Katie Zachariah's entire career.
[18:24] She sounds like a schoolgirl making excuses for why she cheated on exams.
[18:29] Former Trump White House communications staffer Sarah Matthews says,
[18:33] I'm sorry, but if she can't handle a Hannity interview, then she's in for a rough ride.
[18:38] And so on and so forth.
[18:39] Keith Olbermann, friend of the show, Mike Nellis weighing in on this.
[18:41] Governor Newsom's press office weighing in on this absolutely terrible and humiliating for Katie Zachariah.
[18:50] And that was just Hannity.
[18:51] Again, since then, she's been on Lawrence Jones.
[18:53] She's trending everywhere and everyone is commenting on this.
[18:56] This may indeed be the end of Katie Zachariah's very short career replacing Carolyn Levitt.
[19:02] In the meantime, let me know what you think in the comments.