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Trump HUMILIATED as Piers Morgan, Megyn Kelly GO NUCLEAR

Pondering Politics April 9, 2026 23m 4,396 words
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"You got to say, the deal sounds very much like surrender on our part. And ultimately, President Trump, that's not to take agency away from the president, who was bamboozled. I don't know why. He was too weak to say no. He was too gullible. But the reality is, nobody thinks this was a big victory..."

[0:00] You got to say, the deal sounds very much like surrender on our part. [0:04] And ultimately, President Trump, that's not to take agency away from the president, [0:07] who was bamboozled. I don't know why. He was too weak to say no. He was too gullible. [0:14] But the reality is, nobody thinks this was a big victory for the United States. [0:19] Nobody can see anything but actually a bit of a humiliation. [0:24] He doesn't care, Piers, because he doesn't care about the Republican Party. He cares about himself. [0:30] If Trump had to get reelected, he probably would have handled this a little differently. [0:34] But he doesn't care that the Republicans are going to lose the midterms. I think he thought [0:38] that was a foregone conclusion. And I don't think he cares that J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio wins the [0:43] presidency next time around. I think there's a piece of Trump that would like to say, [0:46] I'm the only one who could do it. The Republican Party is nothing without me. [0:50] And the rest of us are going to be around to pick up the pieces. [0:52] All right, folks, pop the popcorn and pop the champagne because the latest episode of Piers [0:56] Morgan Uncensored just dropped. And it's a doozy, even by Piers Morgan standards. [1:01] And Donald Trump is going to hate every damn second of it because he gets hit where it hurts, [1:06] not just by Piers, but his first guest in particular, major MAGA podcaster Megyn Kelly, [1:11] whom, as we've recently discussed, started taking the gloves off [1:14] against Trump following his insane genocidal threat against Iran. [1:18] Well, if you thought that was bad, she goes even more nuclear here. [1:21] Full scorched earth, mocking, insulting Trump, condemning him for his stupidity. [1:27] They both agree that Trump lost the war and effectively surrendered to Iran and that he [1:32] has single-handedly destroyed the MAGA movement and the Republican Party for elections to come. [1:38] It is absolutely brutal. And I can't wait to talk with you about it. But before we do, [1:43] if you end up liking this video and you want to support the channel, [1:45] please be sure to hit the like, subscribe and alert bells before you go. [1:49] All right, folks, it's important to remember, as much as Piers would not admit it, he is, [1:54] at least in American standards, a right-winger, at least a center-right person. He favors Trump [1:58] and the Republican Party over the Democratic Party. And yet he has been forced to grapple [2:02] with Trump's failures, despite the fact that Trump is a friend of his. Megyn Kelly, [2:06] even more far-right than Piers, more openly MAGA than Piers, more openly Republican than Piers. [2:11] And yet they are ganging up on Trump and just humiliating him. But I want to start [2:16] with Piers' monologue. We're going to do this in chronological order, and we'll unpack it along [2:21] the way. The furore about President Trump's vow to end Iranian civilization was not about a fear [2:28] he was about to do that or a hope that he would. It was about the foundational idea [2:32] that the United States is a ball walker against exactly the kind of atrocities he foreshadowed. [2:37] If the U.S. is capable and willing to eradicate an entire population, [2:42] how does it have the moral authority to be a global arbiter of right and wrong? [2:45] But Donald Trump doesn't seem interested in that. Clearly, he sees the U.S. as a muscular superpower [2:49] which can throw its weight around to get what it wants. And to be clear, [2:53] many people support him about that. So amid the shrieking noise and spin about the 11,000 ceasefire [2:58] agreement, it's worth asking a simple question. Did the U.S. get what it wants? Well, the Strait of [3:04] Hormuz is open, just as it was before the war began. But nobody is in any doubt about the fact [3:09] that Iran controls it. In fact, some versions of the text refer to guaranteeing Iran's dominance. [3:16] The Iranian regime is wounded and weakened, but there's no doubt that it's the same regime. [3:21] Several branches have been hacked off, but the trunk and the roots remain. [3:25] Many of Iran's military targets have been destroyed, but Iran still has its uranium, [3:29] its ballistic missiles and its proxies across the region. The Iranian plan, which Trump now calls a [3:34] workable basis for talks, includes reparations for the damaged calls, the lifting of all sanctions [3:39] and the release of Iranian funds seized by the United States. It's a multi-billion dollar windfall. [3:45] What does he think they'll do with it? And on the question of cost, the U.S. has now spent more [3:50] than 30 billion dollars on the war so far. 15 U.S. soldiers are dead. Thousands of Iranian civilians [3:56] are dead. Trump's approval ratings are at a record low. And his base is at war with itself, [4:01] all as the U.S. prepares for elections, which could handicap or even end his presidency. [4:06] We should all keep an open mind about what happens next. We should all be grateful [4:10] for a pause in this war. But if this is what a historic victory looks like, [4:15] well, Mr. President, I wouldn't be so sure to claim that. [4:18] Pretty brutal monologue. And again, this episode was recorded. This episode of Piers Morgan Uncensored [4:24] was recorded before it was confirmed by Iran that Trump and Israel violated the ceasefire [4:30] in multiple ways, and that the ceasefire is effectively over, and that Iran is reclosing [4:35] the Strait of Hormuz. Now, again, that could change in the next five minutes. We don't know. [4:39] But at least at the time of recording this, it appears that ceasefire is already broken. [4:44] And now we get to the conversation with major MAGA podcaster Megyn Kelly. And when I was watching [4:51] this, going through taking notes, I thought, you know, I try to keep the clips relatively short, [4:56] right? Because otherwise, we'll be here for 45 minutes. I got to tell you, you should prepare [5:00] yourself because between what Piers and Meghan had to say about trashing Trump, these clips are a bit [5:05] long, but they are well worth it. Let's jump right on in. First tonight, I'm joined by Megyn Kelly, [5:10] host of The Megyn Kelly Show. Megyn, what's been the points of it all? [5:15] You got to say, the deal sounds very much like surrender on our part, which I'm in favor of. [5:22] I mean, great. This needed to end. [5:23] So stop right there. Just Megyn Kelly says that Donald Trump surrendered to Iran. [5:29] That's a big friggin deal. Now, she also says she supported it. And listen, [5:32] the war needed to end. I much prefer a fragile ceasefire, even a lopsided ceasefire in this case, [5:38] as opposed to a hot war with Iran or genocide against Iran. But also, again, now the ceasefires [5:45] collapsed. But again, I digress. She called it a surrender. Trump is going to hate that. [5:49] Ugly or any other way it needed to end. It was folly to begin with. It was folly throughout. [5:56] It remains folly. And Trump was warned prior to getting involved in this conflict by the chairman [6:02] of the Joint Chiefs that they were not likely to collapse easily and that they probably would [6:08] maintain control of the strait and could cause a global economic panic. And he didn't listen. [6:14] What he did with the with the Dan Cain warnings was rush to truth social. Trump did saying all Dan [6:22] Cain knows how to do is win. And if I tell him to invade, he's going to win. Well, that's not really [6:27] what happened. And, you know, we've already learned this. Trump watched us learn it. And so what led [6:32] Trump, what, at 79 years old to sit in there in that situation room when Bibi Netanyahu was seated as [6:39] an equal? Yeah. Trump didn't even sit at the head of the table. Trump sat at the side of the table and [6:44] Bibi was across from him as an equal in the American situation room. What led him to sit there and buy [6:51] what that guy was selling hook, line and sinker when every other president was able to see through [6:58] that liar? What was note when she says every other president, she is specifically referring to [7:05] President Obama and Biden, because reportedly Benjamin Netanyahu tried to persuade them and [7:10] strong on them into either attacking Iran or joining an Israeli attack on Iran. And both President Obama [7:16] and President Biden said no. [7:17] Because he was told the next day by our own top advisers, from the chairman of the Joint Chiefs, [7:23] to the secretary of state, to the vice president, that these are lies and that these objectives [7:28] are not going to be attainable. Don't believe him. We might be able to wipe out the Ayatollah, [7:34] not regime change, Ayatollah. And we might be able to decimate some portion of their missiles [7:39] and their military. Okay, that's true. But the goals, as stated by Trump, when we actually did [7:44] pull the trigger, were all over the board into this moment. He's pushing the BS claim that we [7:49] affected regime change. No, we didn't. It's the same regime, just different players. There isn't [7:56] somebody more moderate in there at all. We have no reason to believe that. In fact, it looks like [8:01] the Iranian Revolutionary Guard is in control now, which is far more radical. And the fatwa that had [8:06] allegedly been issued by the Ayatollah on developing nukes is gone. The fatwa being like a religious [8:11] edict against, right? It's a ban. So the old Ayatollah allegedly issued a fatwa forbidding the [8:18] development of nuclear weapons. His younger, more radical, more conservative son is reportedly [8:23] much less likely to go along with that. Iran is more powerful economically. It controls the strait [8:29] and now is demanding the lifting of all sanctions against it. And what Trump did with that 10-point [8:34] plan was go from Monday saying, no, not good, to Tuesday saying, very workable. We can do it [8:41] as a means of saving face to bail off of his insane threats about annihilating an entire [8:48] civilization. So I don't know how we got here, Piers. I'd like to know just as much as anybody [8:53] else. But all I can think in my head, based on what I've read in the paper, is we got here thanks [8:57] to Bibi Netanyahu, Lindsey Graham, and Mark Levin, and ultimately President Trump. That's not to take [9:04] agency away from the president who was bamboozled. I don't know why. He was too weak to say no. He was [9:10] too gullible to see through the lies. One way or another, he allowed himself to be pushed into this [9:16] insane conflict. This is huge, folks. This is a turning point. Again, Megyn Kelly has been critical [9:24] of the Iran war, but she has held most of her fire, kept most of her ire for Mark Levin, Ben Shapiro, [9:30] and yes, Benjamin Netanyahu. And again, you can see it in real time, old habits. She was ready to [9:35] go on. She was like, actually, no, Donald Trump is ultimately responsible. He has agency. He was the [9:40] one who agreed to it. He was the one who authorized it. It is ultimately his fault. And what does she [9:44] say? He's weak and gullible. Megyn Kelly saying this about the man she voted for, endorsed, and [9:49] campaigned beside. This is a massive sea change. That cause, forget, forget, you know, the blood and [9:57] treasure we spilled. As you point out, at least 15 service personnel, I believe we're being lied to [10:02] about the total number of dead and wounded. She's also alleging that Donald Trump, Pete Hegseth, [10:09] her former colleague of Fox News, and the Trump administration are covering up the number of [10:14] American casualties, which, by the way, that's a notion that is becoming increasingly more prominent. [10:18] By the way, we have no reason to trust the Trump administration. They are the least transparent, [10:23] the most pathologically dishonest administration in American history. But this is coming from [10:27] Megyn Kelly. Stunning. But we don't know what the accurate death toll in Iran is. How many civilians in [10:33] Iran died? How many died in our allies around Iran who now don't trust us? What penalty do we pay [10:40] other than the cost and the 15 lives that we expended, which count for a lot? But we didn't [10:46] take the brunt of Iran's response. Our allies did, with whom we did not consult prior to starting this [10:53] war, who are very, very angry, many of them, about what was done to them. What's going to happen to [10:58] the trillions of dollars Trump was touting that they donated their offer to donate to the United [11:02] States just to be nice guys and have great relations? You think they're going to spend that [11:06] on us now? By the way, he was always full of shit there. He claimed 18, 19, 20, 21 trillion dollars. [11:12] The number was floating. Even the biased White House official page, which uses inflated numbers, [11:18] they would only go so far as to claim, OK, 8 trillion. So again, Trump was lying his ass off. [11:23] Megyn Kelly should have never believed any of that in the first place. But yes, to the extent that they [11:26] made any sort of commitments, you could absolutely conceive of our foreign allies saying, you know [11:32] what, one way or another, we are going to renege on whatever commitments or handshake deals we made [11:36] with Trump. They're going to spend it on themselves. They've got to rebuild massive portions of their [11:41] own countries thanks to the bombing campaign unleashed against them because they were within [11:45] reach by Iran who couldn't reach us. So we've upset our allies. We've pleased Israel, although [11:51] now they're upset there's a ceasefire. We've upset the American base. The Trump coalition that got him [11:58] elected is completely fractured and in smithereens. And he doesn't care, Piers, because he doesn't care [12:07] about the Republican Party. He cares about himself. If Trump had to get reelected, [12:12] he probably would have handled this a little differently. But he doesn't care that the [12:16] Republicans are going to lose the midterms. I think he thought that was a foregone conclusion. [12:19] And I don't think he cares that J.D. Vance or Marco Rubio wins the presidency next time around. [12:24] I think there's a piece of Trump that would like to say, I'm the only one who could do it. [12:28] The Republican Party is nothing without me. And the rest of us are going to be around to pick up the [12:32] pieces. Holy shit. I mean, Piers is visibly depressed because he knows much of what [12:39] Megyn Kelly is saying here is true. Megyn Kelly is visibly pissed. It's just a fascinating thing. [12:45] And again, she's acknowledging Trump's narcissism that Trump has never cared about [12:48] the Republican Party. Trump's not particularly conservative. He has some conservative policy [12:52] positions. He has conservative affectations, but he's an authoritarian demagogue. He's a fascist. [12:58] He's ideologically inconsistent. It's just that the Republican Party made for the more [13:02] malleable dupes. They're uniquely vulnerable to this sort of thing in a way that the current [13:07] Democratic Party is not. That's an indictment, Megyn, of you and your party. But I actually think [13:12] there's a lot to that. It may be more satisfying for Trump to say, you know what? I want to go out [13:16] as the last two-term Republican president in modern American history. Just a stunning, [13:22] stunning indictment of Donald Trump. And you might be thinking, okay, surely that's it. No, [13:27] no, no. Just wait. There's more. [13:29] And I think Trump will regret this. Well, you're right. He may not care. He may want to just say, [13:35] moving on, it's a big victory, blah, blah, blah. But the reality is, nobody thinks this was a big [13:41] victory for the United States. Nobody can see anything but actually a bit of a humiliation, [13:48] not militarily, because America can beat anyone when it comes to a military punch-up. But what Iran [13:55] has now discovered is that as long as it can control Australia foremost, it can control the [14:01] global economy. And therefore, it can, if it has enough patience, play out the long game with [14:08] the president of the United States, who will have to cave. Because ultimately, it's going to cause him [14:14] so much economic and political damage, he has no choice. That's what's happened here. Trump hasn't [14:19] brought this to an end out of some great desire for peace. He's brought it to an end because he [14:24] could see that the economic and political damage was getting worse by the day. [14:30] Again, pretty harsh condemnation from Piers Morgan, saying that Donald Trump was out-foxed, [14:37] that Donald Trump was weakly pushed around here, even though, again, he has agency. That's his fault. [14:42] And he's referencing bombshell reporting from the New York Times, specifically Jonathan Swan, [14:47] called How Trump Took the U.S. to War with Iran. In a series of Situation Room meetings, [14:52] President Trump weighed his instincts against the deep concerns of his vice president and a [14:55] pessimistic intelligence assessment. Here's the inside story of how he made the faithful decision. [15:00] And it is truly bombshell reporting. We haven't had time to go over it yet, but it is uncontested on [15:06] the right or the left that this happened. It is so thoroughly well-sourced. And Donald Trump [15:13] is made to look like a total buffoon as a consequence of this reporting. And yeah, it's just [15:19] funny to see peers reckon with this in real time. Here's another clip. Because the Iranians wouldn't [15:27] fold. They realized what the pressure point was and that it was working. And they watched Trump's poll [15:33] numbers spiral downward in every piece of the coalition that elected him. And they realized that [15:39] their ability to just withstand the beating was working, was getting them to where they needed to [15:44] get. Because look, there was never majority support behind this war. There wasn't some groundswell of [15:49] support behind this war, right? There was a Republican-based support for the war, but the Democrats didn't [15:55] support it. The independents didn't support it. And very soon into the war, the Republicans stopped [15:59] supporting it too. MAGA supported it. As MAGA dwindled, by the way, it was already only about 15% of the [16:05] population. It's getting smaller by the day. President Trump three weeks ago declared that [16:10] to be MAGA, you have to support Mark Levin, where upon which multiple formerly diehard MAGA [16:19] dedicate people who are dedicated to it said, I'm out. I'm out. If those are the stakes, I'm out. [16:25] Listen to how visibly depressed, visibly and audibly depressed Piers Morgan is about Trump's [16:31] total political ruin, which he, Donald Trump himself, has created. [16:36] Now, the folly of this war from day one, I have. Tucker has. Candace Owens has. Joe Rogan has. [16:43] Theo Vaughn has. I mean, there is a massive cross-section of people in our world, which is [16:49] what I call the unfiltered world, where you're not controlled perhaps by other forces that own [16:55] networks and so on that sort of send out a directive about what you should and shouldn't be saying. [16:59] So in the free spirit world, where you can say what you really think, pretty much everyone has [17:04] been agreed. This looked like madness. And it wasn't just Steve Chung, who is a master messenger [17:09] and saw the storm coming. It was J.D. Vance, who, according to the New York Times, was in there [17:14] specifically saying it's going to fracture the coalition. And boy, is that an understatement. [17:20] Trump is now underwater, and he wasn't before, with men. Don't forget the gender divide that [17:26] happened in 2024. Women went overwhelmingly for Kamala Harris, and men went for Trump. Now he's [17:32] underwater with men, including with young men and young people. The young person coalition that [17:39] Charlie Kirk delivered to the president is gone. They've abandoned Donald Trump. The working class, [17:44] Piers, the latest poll that just came out showed he's two points underwater with the working class. [17:49] That's Ben Trump's base from the beginning. They were the unshakable foundation that got him [17:54] elected over and over. And they're gone. They're very angry. They care about what's happening in [18:01] Iowa, not Iran. They don't want days and days and more weeks of debates over the Strait of Hormuz. [18:08] No one cares. They care about their own lives. They care about the fact that they can't pay for [18:12] health care. They can't buy a home. Young people cannot get a home, even though two people are working [18:17] nonstop, round the clock, with no vacations in this country. President Trump promised he would do [18:22] something about that. Now we see the leaked soundbite saying can't really worry about anything [18:27] at the federal government level other than military. Everything else has to be done at the [18:30] state. Then they pulled that down off the Internet because they didn't mean to share it. He said it at [18:34] an Easter breakfast that was supposed to be private. Well, it's going to be the campaign ad for every [18:39] Democrat in these midterms. That clip was stunning. I mean, it did. And then they panicked. Yeah. And they [18:45] took it down because it was meant to be private. They accidentally posted it. It was just one of [18:49] those classic Trump moments where he just says the worst possible thing out loud. And yes, Democrats [18:55] would be wise to make it campaign fodder. So he's lost working class. He's lost men. He's lost young [19:00] people. He lost Hispanics by some 50 points. Every single gain with Hispanics is now gone. It's [19:06] eradicated blacks. He had made some inroads with black voters. Done. You name it. They're all gone. [19:12] The question is now not who is he lost. The question is who remains? And sure, it's the diehard [19:18] MAGA. Trump can do no wrong. He's some savant. Whatever he says is right. That's great. He'll [19:26] always have those people. You can't win national elections with some fraction of 15 percent of the [19:32] electorate. The vast majority of Republicans would call themselves America first, but not necessarily [19:38] MAGA. Certainly not the way Trump is now defining that term. And he misunderstood his own base twice [19:44] critically in the past year. And both times are really undermining him right now. One was Epstein [19:50] thinking he could just say, Epstein, who still cares about that? No, no one's talking about Epstein. [19:56] He misread the base, which very much cared about Epstein. And Trump could not get rid of that with [20:01] a shrug of a shoulder. And ultimately it resulted in legislation he had to pretend he favored that was [20:05] crammed down his throat. He had to sign, though it had enough loopholes in it to drive a Mack truck [20:10] through. But in any event, it was talking about the Epstein files Transparency Act. And yes, [20:15] Trump gets no credit for that because it had veto proof majorities against him. He violated his [20:20] campaign pledge. He actively tried to effectuate an Epstein coverup because it was bad for him [20:25] politically. It was pretty disastrous for Trump. And the only reason that the Epstein files are out [20:30] of the news now is because of the Iran war, which is the second thing that she says was a major [20:34] misread. Step forward on Epstein that he didn't want to make and was forced to. And this is the second [20:39] one. And this is a much, much bigger and more serious betrayal of what he ran on and of what [20:45] was important to his base, which does include the America firsters and not just MAGA. Or as [20:50] Marjorie Taylor Greene has been saying at this point, she's not America first, she's America only. [20:56] And I think a lot of us are getting to that point. We are sick of being the policeman of the world, [21:01] of being dragged into conflict after conflict by Bibi Netanyahu, by Israel, who's supposed to be [21:09] our special ally. But what they're special at is getting us to fight their wars and get involved [21:14] in their conflicts that they can't fight by themselves. That's what Dan Cain said to President [21:20] Trump the day after Netanyahu came for the seventh time and was sitting in that situation room like [21:25] an equal. He said that they're great on intelligence. That's supposed to be the area in which they're so [21:30] special to us. They share their intelligence. They're great on it. But that intelligence doesn't [21:33] always seem to pan out like the regime will fall easily. The Iranian people will revolt in the [21:40] streets and take over with how they don't have guns. Bombs would be raining down. Wasn't this [21:46] thought through? There isn't regime change. The Iranian people are arguably worse off than they were [21:53] before. And it's all based on Bibi Netanyahu's special intelligence, which caused at least 15 American [22:00] lives, the fracturing of the Trump coalition, probably at least the next two elections for [22:04] Republicans, not to mention the amount of lives and blood and treasure that was spilled in the [22:08] Middle East. So great job. Megan, I gotta leave it there. Wish I could talk to you for another hour [22:14] because it's blistering stuff. But you're so right. They are visibly and audibly depressed, [22:20] making Kelly pissed, obviously more than peers. But they realize in their estimation, this is the end of [22:26] Trump's presidency. This is the end of the MAGA movement. This is the end of the Republican Party. [22:31] I hope they're right. I hope they're right. I'm actually more optimistic about the Republican [22:35] Party's chances than they are. But I hope they're right. This was stunning. That's what I'm saying. [22:40] Of all the criticism that Trump has been getting from peers and Megan, this is by far the worst he's [22:46] ever gotten. They are condemning him, his stupidity, his political malpractice. And they also say that he [22:54] surrendered, he lost the war, but they're happy about it. And who knows what the hell is going to [23:00] happen next. But that was the most brutal, brutal interview that peers has ever had for Donald [23:07] Trump. And it came from Megan Kelly. So I cannot wait to see this make the rounds. In the meantime, [23:12] let me know what you think in the comments.

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