Terrion Arnold court hearing continues

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: phone on his social media on his texts what you have the state has to connect mr arnold through the principle theory currently is the testimony of the two co-defendants that were facing life in prison who this court didn't have the ability to personally judge their credibility i have no doubt that that is what they said but that's going to be a very important thing for the state to get to the fourth quarter in this process so at this stage to grant the state's motion the burden is higher than probable cause it's either under 903.046 substantial probability and no conditions uh regarding safety or under 907.041 proof of guilt evident or presumption great and as i said we're early we're in the first quarter but the state just isn't there at this point so i can't grant the state's motion i do find probable cause based on all the stuff that you've argued so eloquently and put together it's complex it's complicated and you and the detective have done a very good job of helping me understand at 10 pages of notes that i wrote throughout the testimony and i do believe i have an understanding of it i understand your argument regarding motive i understand um everything and i find there's probable cause but i'm gonna set bond and i recognize that that's different than the other six i even heard one of the pre-trial detentions on two or three of the other six but as i said the distinction in those cases was that they were there they went into the apartment they had hands-on um except for um jasmine i believe who wasn't there it wasn't in but um there was other testimony related to uh her so at this stage um i find probable cause but i don't find the higher level to grant the state's motion for pre-trial detention um so i'm going to deny the motion but it's a serious case it's serious crimes that i am finding probable cause of and i'm going to set bond um and that bond is going to be um consistent with the serious nature of the charges let me ask the state this are there conditions of the bond now that the cat's out of the bag and you know that i'm setting bond for mr arnold are there specific conditions of bond that you would like to request at this time oh yes sir no contact with the co-defendants or witnesses in this case this i'm writing it down so no contact with witnesses or co-defendants um a electronic monitor uh electronic gps [00:03:00] Speaker 2: monitor that is correct ankle monitor next um that is at this or may have a brief moment yes that would be all from the state now surrender his passport well i apologize that i what i was looking for is to make sure there was no other witnesses that he was not to have any contact with yes surrender his passport um and any other things that the judge your honor would find reasonable [00:03:45] Speaker 3: so um we would ask for 24 hours to surrender the passport the family didn't bring it it's in detroit so we'll have to get it here we strenuously object to the ankle bracelet and here's why one it'll basically take his employment away and that's critical he can't continue in the league when he has an ankle bracelet that's not going to happen and the purpose i would suggest of an ankle bracelet is to track and make sure you know where somebody is first off obviously he's not in a position to hide everybody knows who he is but more importantly there were again four and a half to five months where he knew he was under investigation knew he was a target and if he wanted to leave he had ample opportunity to leave to flee to hide out when i got the call i called mr diaz and he gave me the number of the marshal and i said we'll have him at the jail give us the time they said 10 30 in the evening we got him there literally i want to say it was 12 10 o'clock sorry i want to say it was within hours of the phone call if i remember right i was in california and i got the phone call and within five hours he was there and the reason it took so long is i had to get this guy out of bed to make sure he could meet him there at 10 p.m so he's not or drive from tallahassee so he's not a flight risk this is not a guy who i don't think the state has any concern is not going to appear and because the prejudice is it puts him out of the league we're asking that the court not make that a requirement all right [00:05:27] Speaker 1: there are according to his booking sheet a total of eight charges four that's correct each of kidnapping harmed or terrorized and four of robbery firearm or deadly weapon on the four each of the four kidnapping harmed or terrorized i'm going to set his bond at 150 000 per count on the four counts of robbery firearm i'm going to set his bond at 100 000 per count that's a total bond of one million dollars as far as the conditions of his bond i'm going to order that he have no contact with his uh co-defendants or with any witnesses did he surrender his passport i'll allow him 24 hours to surrender the passport um need to make [00:06:28] Speaker 4: that happen we might need more than 24 hours of passports in michigan if you can let us surrender the passport within two or three days 48 hours 48 hours yes sir and if he doesn't surrender it then [00:06:40] Speaker 1: that's a violation of the conditions his body right we're not going to want to be in i'm going to address that we don't want to hold up really when i finish the conditions okay he'll go back in [00:06:55] Speaker 2: and your honor did you mention the conspiracies charges is why i apologize i don't have a conspiracy [00:06:59] Speaker 1: charge on here okay madam third thirty two okay i have eight i think the most recent for now only has eight [00:07:09] Speaker 4: you have a conspiracy to be out there you have a conspiracy to be out there and i have a conspiracy to be out there and we have a conspiracy to be out there and we have a conspiracy to be out there [00:07:20] Speaker 1: there should be eight total your honor there's two conspiracy charges i believe [00:07:22] Speaker 3: there's two conspiracy charges i believe yeah exactly they're not on they're not on the seat they're not on my sheet they're not on my sheet they're not on my sheet i think well i want to be [00:07:24] Speaker 1: very careful because then if they come through that's going to create a confusion if if i set bond on these eight charges and then there's some two other charges pending out there that's going to present a problem [00:07:40] Speaker 2: mr riley i'll have to touch base with mr diez in regards to the conspiracies my understanding is that the detective is shaking his head you want to talk to him or detective do you i can clarify can you clarify please i can't yes to mr riley or to you i'll i'll speak with detective rey all right that's fine works out of the way your honor in regards to the charges it is actually three and three in regards to you [00:08:45] Speaker 1: i don't know if that's the case i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure i'm not sure the best way to handle it except that there are eight counts there are four related to kidnapping it appears one of those may be something that i'm not sure i'm not sure the best way to handle it except that there are eight counts there are four related to kidnapping it appears one of those may be one of those may be one of those may be one of those it appears one of those might be or is conspiracy there are four related to robbery and one of those might be or is in fact conspiracy i'm not changing the amount of the bond but there's eight separate charges just wanted to make sure it was clear one of each apparently is conspiracy [00:09:31] Speaker 4: um yes mr jansen mr jansen your honor can you just do the bond on the count so there's no count number [00:09:38] Speaker 1: count one count i think i think that's why count one is going to be 150 000 count two is going to be 150 000 count three is 150 000 count four is 150 000 count five is one hundred thousand dollars count six is one hundred thousand dollars count seven is one hundred thousand dollars count eight is one hundred thousand dollars again for a total of one million dollars in the bottom the last condition well the state didn't ask for it but i do want him confined to his residence except for he can leave for work i don't want to interfere with his ability to earn a living so he can leave for work he can leave for legal appointments he can leave to come to court the condition that i'm struggling with is the gps monitor i don't know it to be true but the defense said that he may not be able to or would not be able to work with a gps ankle monitor as an [00:10:49] Speaker 3: officer of the court i will tell you he would not be allowed on the field because of danger to the other players in terms of tackling in terms of uh him when he hits somebody cutting people you're not allowed under nfl rules to have anything they could find for their socks not being in the right position so the ankle bracelet would prohibit him from doing his job i suppose that there's some way [00:11:12] Speaker 1: that i could fashion an exception to when he's playing but i suspect that that would extend to when he's practicing right but given all the other things that i acknowledge you've uh mentioned that we've got five months with no attempts to flee we've got him turning himself in almost immediately when you were notified of the charges i'm gonna reluctantly reject the state's request for a gps ankle monitor in addition to the reasons i've stated is because i suspect that mr arnold has a paparazzi monitor if he's late for practice espn will let us know oh yeah if he disappears the world will know before he knows if he shows up on a beach in tahiti he'll be on social media if he violates the conditions of his bond he will be found because they will find you and you will come back because the law will bring you back and then you will sit with no bond until your trial in this case do you understand that mr arm yes sir all right so those are the conditions that i'm going to impose i've set the bond is there anything else that we need to do i don't know maybe because that we know where it's going or any future court dates at this time mr steinberg it [00:13:01] Speaker 3: like looks like you want to say something or ask something just uh he needs obviously travel to as you pointed out tallahassee is where i think he's going to be living i live in denver i want him to be able to come to my office and then detroit and then they may travel in the sense that detroit may [00:13:16] Speaker 1: notify the state i will do that of each of those but no but i'm not going to my intent here in setting his bond is not to to prevent him from leaving hillsborough county i understand he resides in tallahassee but i have said that he can only leave his residence yes for those reasons that i've delineated including whatever his um involvement with the nfl for practice and or games um training training your own as long as it's required by the team i don't want to create any extra opportunities for him to be outside of his house it's not in his best interest as i said he's being closely followed looked after um we'll see photos of it we'll see it on social media so um i'm i'm giving him a tremendous benefit i believe in not putting the ankle monitor that would interfere with his ability to earn a living which i wanted to continue to be able to do he's in a unique situation we don't have a lot of defendants with that type of a job so i hope that what i've fashioned today will accomplish all of those things in the light of the totality of all the circumstances and ultimately the interest of justice yes sir thank you very much anything from the state nothing else from the state thank you all right did we have any future support dates all right no future support dates at this time thank you all very much thank you all very much thank you thank you thank you thank you thank you [00:14:48] Speaker ?: thank you thank you [00:15:07] Speaker 2: sir yes it was very nice meeting [00:15:26] Speaker 4: it was very nice meeting [00:15:31] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you.