"Putin is Afraid of Negotiations!" — Zelenskyy's Full Reuters Interview From G7 Evian — AC1F

[0:00] Guy, Tom and Lily. That has set us up very well for this next conversation. By the way, [0:06] the very latest headlines out of the G7 on the Reuters wire, President Trump has said Russia [0:11] should make a deal. We've heard that before. He has apparently, he said he's apparently seeing [0:16] President Zelensky later today. Let's find out. We're thrilled that President Zelensky has found [0:21] time in his schedule to talk to us here at Reuters next. I'd like to welcome Alessandra back onto [0:27] the stage to host this conversation. Take it away, Alessandra. [0:31] I'll do it this way. This is all really live. You wanted a live event? You got a live event. [0:38] President Zelensky should be coming anytime soon, any moment. There you are. [0:48] Here. [0:48] There you are. Thank you so much for joining us. [0:52] Happy to be here with you. Thank you very much for the invitation. I wanted to say happy to see you, [1:00] but I don't see you. So happy to feel you. Happy to imagine me. There you go. But I can see you and [1:07] it's an absolute pressure, uh, uh, pleasure. Um, you are under pressure. Uh, and, and for us, [1:13] it's an absolute pleasure. Uh, thank you again. Let's jump right in. You, I believe just sat down, [1:21] uh, with president Donald Trump. Uh, can you tell us what you told him and what he told you? [1:29] Everything. Oh, our ears are open. Okay. So first of all, thanks, uh, for invitation. And we're [1:39] thankful to France and to Emmanuel Macron and to G7 leaders for the huge support. Uh, really, [1:46] we had a very positive summit, uh, and, um, we, we discussed the situation on the battlefield. What, [1:54] what I'm happy, what I wanted to share with everybody, that we spoke about, uh, battlefields, [1:59] we spoke about, uh, negotiations with Russians, potential negotiations with Russians. We spoke [2:05] about middle strikes and long range, the situation with, uh, Russian losses, economy, and et cetera. [2:13] Uh, uh, uh, good news. First of all, that yes, Putin has to stop this war. And I have unanimity [2:23] from all the leaders and EU presidents. So we had the unanimity that Russia is not winning [2:30] and losing a lot of people, and they have to make a deal as quick as possible. And they don't have [2:39] initiative in their hands, and so they really have to recognize that they don't want peace, [2:51] and it's true. [2:52] Everybody understand that a lot of people around Putin, they push him to the more big [2:59] mobilization, doesn't matter how much losses they will have, how many people will die. [3:05] I mean, they don't think about it. [3:07] But there is a huge percent of Russian people who understand that they, now they begin to [3:16] understand that they are not winning this war, and that's why they have to stop this war. [3:22] Yes, I'm not sure that it's really a human reason, because if you have a lot of losses, [3:30] you have to stop. [3:31] No, they didn't have to begin, it's between us. [3:35] But in any way, better later than never, so that the percent is more than 60 percent [3:42] of the society of Russians, they want to stop this war, and that's why we need more pressure [3:47] on Putin. [3:48] We had real unanimity today in the G7 summit. [3:53] Everybody was on the side of, I think, on the right side, and it's good that we have the [3:59] same information from our intelligence. [4:04] And then we had some more talks with President Trump, and I hope that we will have more. [4:10] And not only with President Trump, but also with Chancellor, we will have with Prime Minister, [4:16] and President Macron, and with Ursula, and Kosovo, I mean this, we continue. [4:23] Now we continue to talk, and after our meeting, I will have some more meetings. [4:30] So everybody recognized that Russia wants to attack civilian infrastructure. [4:40] And this is also a new step of understanding, of unanimity of this understanding. [4:47] This is always what's very important for me, that we see the war, I mean, with open eyes, [4:56] and we recognize what Russians really, what they did on our territory, such brutal things, [5:03] and what are they doing, and why. [5:05] We see the reasons. [5:06] But long period of time, some of our partners, they've been, I mean, just, you know, balancing, [5:11] right now, everybody is recognizing that Russia doesn't want, Putin doesn't want to stop [5:19] this war. [5:21] And I don't know, maybe he really afraid of negotiations because of one of the reasons [5:26] that what he will do with a million of soldiers who will come back home to Russia, and they [5:32] will ask why we did it. [5:35] For what? [5:36] Right, right. [5:37] So President Zelensky, you put a lot of things on the table. [5:43] So that's okay. [5:44] That's okay. [5:45] I'm sorry. [5:46] We will now... [5:47] You didn't tell me how many questions will be, maybe one. [5:49] Oh, many. [5:50] We could keep you all day. [5:53] But the, okay, so I'm going to unpack some of the, some of the things that you said. [5:58] Please. [5:59] The pressure. [6:00] What exactly is that pressure? [6:02] Sanctions? [6:04] More sanctions? [6:06] What other economic measures? [6:07] Did you discuss that in detail with President Trump and the others? [6:12] Now, we will have opportunity to discuss more with President Trump. [6:19] What we discussed with others, more sanctions. [6:23] Shadow fleet, number one, because our, how we say, long range sanctions, they work. [6:32] And now you see the price of oil is decreasing. [6:36] And it's good that President Trump made with Iran the decision. [6:41] We see the prices are falling down and, but decreasing in any way is good. [6:48] So Russia will not get additional benefits than a shadow fleet. [6:54] Not just to stop, to stop and to confiscate. [6:58] This is important. [6:59] And to work hardly with all of allies together in unity to stop tankers, to stop shadow fleet [7:07] of Russia. [7:09] And also the question of, as I said, long range, but it's up to us. [7:15] It's not to the partners because we don't use their weapon. [7:19] And now we use only our long range missiles or drones or drone missiles. [7:27] We have such format also. [7:29] So it's all about, it's all about it. [7:32] We asked also to, to help more with, with the banking systems or with banking system of [7:40] Russia and, and also about military sector of, of Russia, which all also works not only [7:49] in Russia. [7:50] Yes. [7:51] They have some representatives abroad. [7:53] So we need to close it using sanctions. [7:56] And also political pressure on Russia. [7:59] And I think that President Trump can do it or only, maybe only him. [8:03] I don't know. [8:04] Really. [8:05] What Europeans will do. [8:06] What Europeans will do. [8:07] I mean, this, of course, Europe, Europe wants, wants negotiations with coordination with the [8:15] United States, but we don't know all the tracks. [8:17] Yeah. [8:18] Between us. [8:19] It doesn't matter. [8:20] We need useful tracks to stop Putin. [8:23] Now, I think President Trump can do it. [8:25] And Europe also will do it. [8:28] So this is what we see. [8:30] Got it. [8:31] Got it. [8:32] One that, that was quite clear. [8:36] You have asked President Trump, you had asked President Trump in a letter specifically for [8:43] more Patriot air defense missiles, to protect Ukrainian cities, also because we have seen [8:50] quite a few attacks lately, including in the monastery just yesterday. [8:56] So to protect Ukrainian cities from Russian ballistic missile attacks. [9:02] Did you receive an answer specifically on this? [9:06] So, first of all, he was very positive that they can help us more with missiles. [9:16] And this is a big challenge, really, because the production is not so big as our needs. [9:23] The production is in the United States. [9:25] I raised the topic of licenses, I addressed it to President Trump. [9:31] We need licenses to produce missiles. [9:34] We have capabilities different, it's difficult to produce Patriot systems and missiles. [9:39] Yes, and now I had a lot of, believe me, I had a lot of meetings and calls with Raytheon, [9:46] with his company, with their management CEOs, and etc. [9:50] I know, I'm deeply in this topic, but in any way, we want to increase their production, [9:57] if they will be okay, and if President Trump will support this idea. [10:02] But now he's, he was positive. [10:04] In any way, so we need to do this. [10:07] From European side, we really need for the world, try to produce European anti-ballistic [10:15] system, which has to be strong, and between us, better to be cheaper. [10:21] Yes, and then the world names, what we have now. [10:27] But otherwise, we will not have enough, otherwise Europe will not have enough, otherwise Middle [10:35] East will not have enough. [10:36] I don't know about Asia, I don't know their needs, what they want, and etc., but I'm talking [10:42] about the countries whom I know personally, what I know their needs. [10:47] So that's why this is important alternative on which we will work. [10:52] Got it. [10:54] But so just, just so I'm clear, so the response, I think everything else you said was important, [10:59] but the response from President Trump then specifically on this was, you said it was positive, meaning [11:04] it was a yes. [11:05] It was positive. [11:06] Yeah, it was positive, and I hope, I hope when President Trump is positive, I hope it's [11:12] yes. [11:13] Okay. [11:14] All right. [11:15] Well, we shall see. [11:17] Still on President Trump, President Trump said last year that you, that Ukraine, did not [11:24] have the cards to bring Putin to the table. [11:30] Do you now? [11:31] You know, that your situation basically from last year has dramatically changed. [11:41] Last year, Trump said, well, President Zelensky does not have the right cards, you know, to [11:48] bring Putin, to force Putin. [11:51] But now is the sense that you do, that the situation has changed. [11:55] Would you agree? [11:57] I think that really the situation is changing. [12:03] And, you know, on the battlefield, as I said, Russia lost initiative on some directions. [12:12] They attacked us. [12:14] They made offensive steps on 12 directions. [12:18] We saw this, and they lost initiative almost in all these directions, only in two or three. [12:27] They still have a lot of, I mean, huge amount of soldiers, a huge amount of everything, but, [12:33] but I mean, they were slow there. [12:35] And on other directions, they really lost initiative, and we've got it. [12:40] And also on some two, three directions, we are more successful now. [12:44] These months, for example, we deoccupated 100 kilometers on one direction. [12:51] So, I mean, this, we will not stop, and they will not stop. [12:55] Better to stop this war. [12:56] I mean, it's not stopped on the battlefield. [12:59] So, that's why, in this case, we are better than on middle strikes, as I said, and long range, we are better. [13:12] And we, now we have, we will produce about 10 million drones during this year, and, but we can, but we can double. [13:24] And this is also, I think, good news from our perspective, and then there's good news, as well, from our industry. [13:34] Got it. [13:34] From Militech direction. [13:36] So, this is also, this is also good. [13:39] Good sanctions began to work, not enough sanctions. [13:42] And good that 90 billion, we've got 90 billion decision, and it's very helpful. [13:50] I mean, it's great European support. [13:52] Got it. [13:53] So, you have, so, you've laid it out. [13:56] Now, let's talk about timing. [13:58] You have said that you wanted to reach a peace deal or a ceasefire and peace deal with Putin before this winter. [14:06] So, did you discuss a possible timeline or maybe a date to start again, perhaps, U.S. mediated talks, perhaps, with the U.S. envoys, Steve Witkoff, Jared Kushner? [14:24] Can you give us a sense of timing then? [14:26] It's difficult, really difficult, you know, that we proposed, the last time we proposed, I had made a phone call to Emmanuel Macron. [14:36] And when I was invited to G7, I made a phone call to him and said that, Emmanuel, what do you think about, during G7 meeting, invite not only us, find a way, maybe in Switzerland, in a neutral country, to find a way, like we, G7, [14:55] and basing on such, I mean, this presence of many leaders, we can use this opportunity and try to organize meetings with Russians. [15:07] And he was very, I mean, happy with this idea. [15:11] But Russians didn't react. [15:13] I mean, they didn't support. [15:15] Also, American side knew this proposition. [15:19] And I'm not sure that they also have got positive signals. [15:22] So now we are here, and we had a really strong meeting. [15:28] Putin didn't use this opportunity to meet during G7. [15:33] And I think, we spoke with President Trump. [15:37] I think that, yes, I know that he made a lot of propositions, again, through different leaders, I mean, Putin, to come to Moscow. [15:49] But this, I mean, this is such games, we don't play such games. [15:53] So we need some sort of country. [15:57] It's not Russia. [15:58] It's not Ukraine. [15:59] It's understandable. [16:00] Why? [16:01] So it can be Switzerland, it can be Turkey, it can be Middle East countries. [16:08] It can be, I don't know, I'm not the President of the United States. [16:12] I mean, it's up to President to do it, to organize, or not to invite us, both of us, or not. [16:18] But I think USA also can be. [16:20] Right. [16:20] At least they had a meeting already in the United States, in Alaska. [16:25] But President Trump specifically... [16:27] Before the winter. [16:28] Before the winter. [16:29] Sorry, sorry. [16:30] I think this is a very important thing. [16:33] Try to organize a meeting before the winter. [16:36] Got it. [16:36] It was a terrible winter for us. [16:39] But you have to understand that we don't want to go through the same winter. [16:49] Of course. [16:50] And Russia has to know that we had a terrible winter, and they will have also not simple. [16:55] So my proposition, dialogue. [17:00] Yeah, understandable. [17:01] So just one quick follow on this. [17:05] You recently had a meeting with Abramovich in Kiev. [17:08] Could he be a possible intermediary to President Putin? [17:15] I don't know. [17:16] I don't know. [17:17] I think Putin uses just people. [17:20] It's not about intermediary or not. [17:22] I think he just uses. [17:24] He has his own decisions in his head. [17:29] But I know that Abramovich, when he came, I think it was a very concrete, specific dialogue with him. [17:39] And I think he understood 100% of my position and our proposition. [17:50] And he said that he will go and give feedback to the Kremlin. [17:56] And so we will see. [17:59] He can be. [18:00] I mean, he can be. [18:02] It's up to Putin. [18:03] Right. [18:03] Because each country has to decide who will represent on technical level or on the level of NSAs. [18:11] Yeah, who will represent them. [18:13] Right. [18:13] Time will tell. [18:14] But so just to wrap up on your meeting with President Trump today, how would you describe the change in feeling and in relationship between that very infamous meeting in the Oval Office and now? [18:34] Give us a color. [18:35] It's difficult for me to say. [18:39] So everybody recognized that it's good that there is ceasefire in the Middle East. [18:45] Yes. [18:46] And this is good that people are not dying. [18:49] And can we stop Putin? [18:52] The question is, can we stop this war? [18:55] And the question, who can stop? [18:57] So if President Trump can do it, God bless. [19:03] Right. [19:03] But everybody is recognizing, again, I think this is the changing of the, maybe not of position, maybe opposition, but of understanding that he doesn't want to stop the war. [19:18] Got it. [19:19] He has to be under more pressure. [19:22] He doesn't have, I mean, Putin, he doesn't have any feelings about losses. [19:27] Can you imagine, sorry, 35,000 of Russians, losses each month, heavy wounded or killed. [19:36] Right. [19:36] Can you imagine what's going on? [19:38] So somebody has to stop him. [19:43] Right. [19:44] Very clear. [19:45] So today you also, I believe, met with the IMF, Kristalina Georgieva. [19:50] Yeah. [19:50] And this is regarding an $8 billion loan that the IMF has granted. [19:56] They have just released the second trench. [19:59] But in order to release more money, they are awaiting important reforms in your parliament, including the many things, but including some taxation on, on business. [20:12] Your parliament seems to be going slower on this than, than expected. [20:18] When will those be passed? [20:22] So we spoke with Kristalina and before her mission had meetings with our prime minister and with government team. [20:33] They, I think that they've been focusing on, on different decisions and dates and et cetera. [20:38] But I've got today from Kristalina that sites, both sides are positive, that maybe, maybe both sides need some steps and maybe Ukrainian parliament also needs. [20:52] But, but I didn't get the information today that, that there are some, some difficulties. [20:59] So you have to understand that it's, it's not easy for all of us. [21:04] I mean, it's not easy to vote in parliament. [21:08] It's not easy to make decisions with different financial institutions, but we are partners. [21:15] And this is good. [21:17] We had very positive meeting with Kristalina and he understands, he, she's very, she, sorry, she, she understands and she's very supportive of Ukraine to help us with microfinancial support to sense that it's so important now. [21:35] And, uh, and, uh, I was very thankful for your condolences and warm words about Ukrainians. [21:41] And after such massive attacks, especially, uh, two days ago on our archived pictures, Lavram, a real, one of the biggest, maybe the biggest Christian centers in the world. [21:52] So we are partners, we work with IMF and I think that our government and our IMF team will make all the decisions what, what Ukrainians need. [22:04] Got it. Um, let, you also met with Chancellor Mertz, I believe. [22:09] Um, and Chancellor Mertz has suggested, uh, with regards to possible accession to the European Union, something that you don't like very much, which is an associate, uh, membership rather than full, uh, membership. [22:26] Uh, you, were you able to convince him, uh, him and other EU countries, uh, for, for full EU membership? [22:35] And do you feel that the EU member countries understand, uh, the, what you say is the importance of a rapid, uh, progress, uh, towards EU membership? [22:47] Mm-hmm. No, um, uh, first of all, Friedrich, I'm very thankful to his support. He's on our side. He, he understands that Ukraine, uh, counts on, uh, counts on, uh, on fast track, something like this. [23:02] I know that not all the leaders love such format, fast track, because it's, I mean, this, they, they want very, uh, very understandable, clear steps for everybody. [23:14] But we are not everybody, with all respect to everybody. We are during the war and we need more, uh, creative steps, fast steps. We need it very much. [23:25] Otherwise, if to make big pause, just, I shared it with Chancellor and with all the leaders, if we will make after this war, big pause, uh, during our way to EU, everything will be like we have with NATO. [23:40] Russia will find a way how to block Ukraine's way to EU. They don't want to see us successful. [23:51] So Russia doesn't need Ukraine be successful. And the most, the more, more interesting for them, not, not to make Ukraine European way, European country, not to be part of European family. [24:05] That's why we need fast track. That's why I want to, of course, I want like a president. I'm just, when we speak about you, I'm speaking not like a president. [24:14] I mean, I'm speaking like a citizen. So we want to be a part of Europe. Look, if you, if you want us, if you see us, if you need us, our strong army, our strong people, if you see us, please look at us as, as, I mean, as at yourself. [24:32] We want to be the same, not better, but not worse. So we want same. We want clear membership. This is my reaction. [24:41] Got it. One of the requirements of accession, uh, as we have discussed, even you and I before is tackling corruption. Uh, recently there was an arrest of your close aide, someone I myself know, you know, had met with you as well. [24:57] Um, you know, the arrest of Mr. Yermak. Um, do you, was that a sign that, that, that you, that Ukraine is ready to do what the, what is needed on tackling corruption? [25:09] Now, of course. And Ukraine is doing all European, uh, it's not the proposition from you. There is a list of reforms, what each country, not only Ukraine needs to do. And we do everything. That's why the clusters are opening. That's why yesterday, the first cluster fundamentals, by the way, fundamentals, where there is a legislation, the law, the court, the reforms and anti-corruption. [25:39] And a lot of anti-corruption for everything is there. So the first cluster was open. Any questions? I think no questions. Then we need five more clusters to be open. And we did with reforms and laws, maybe not everything, but mostly we're trying our best as we can be, uh, as we can be fast during the war as possible. [26:01] Got it. The, um, so we've talked about President Trump. So the US, the EU, the, uh, IMF, but let me ask you a question. Considering the deep economic dependence that Russia has on China, how can Beijing also put pressure on Russia? Should Xi Jinping be your main interlocutor to end this war? [26:30] I don't know. Everybody has to, I think everybody who wants this, uh, war to, uh, to, to, to end this war, we have to join everybody. And, uh, of course, China, the big country and, uh, very influential country. Uh, they have the biggest, uh, I think that Russia has the biggest trade with China. [26:54] China. Yes. Depends on China to buy. Yes. Yes. Of course. It depends on the, on the economic, the economy depends on China, on China decisions. It's meant that China has influence. [27:07] And of course we will be happy to, uh, if they will help, but we don't feel it that, uh, we don't feel their mood. We don't feel that they are ready to pressure Putin. It's meant to do everything, uh, to end this war. [27:26] So you would be open to having. Maybe something will change. Yeah. You'd be open to having a conversation with Mr. Xi. Of course. I'm very open to meet with, with the presidency and, uh, and, uh, our teams can work on it. [27:39] Uh, exactly. Uh, to do everything what we can to stop the war. [27:44] So in this room, you don't see it, but in this room, we have many, uh, uh, investors, uh, uh, chief executives, you know, financiers. [27:54] And so one of the things that they, we would want to know is what are the sectors of your economy that offer the greatest opportunity for foreign investment? [28:06] And what incentives are you offering? [28:10] So thank you very much. Uh, first of all, we will have reconstruction anyway, after, uh, ceasefire or after the war will end when we will have security guarantees. [28:24] Because security guarantees, first of all, we need for our people, for the societies, and of course for business, for investment. [28:31] So, and, uh, reconstruction is very important. [28:34] Uh, we have to renovate energy sector. [28:38] So energy is very important. [28:40] Agricultural, even during the war, this is huge, uh, sector of, uh, Ukrainian economy, agricultural sector. [28:49] So you are very welcome. [28:51] And, of course, the new sector, what we've got, what we created, and during, uh, and increased, uh, during these war, it's mil-tech. [29:01] Uh, mil-tech. [29:02] It doesn't mean that it's only, uh, uh, uh, drones which attack and weapon for offensive. [29:08] No, it's about, uh, the mining. [29:10] It's about agricultural sector and, uh, and a lot of different, different things. [29:16] So it's like, uh, a robotized system. [29:20] Uh, so different, different things. [29:23] So this, uh, uh, direction is very important. [29:26] We have more than 400, almost around five, uh, companies. [29:31] So investors are very welcome. [29:33] Energy, agricultural, mil-tech. [29:36] Yes. [29:37] And, uh, different other, uh, different other sectors are open. [29:42] Ukraine is a big country and it's been the country of big opportunities. [29:47] Got it. [29:48] My last question then to you, um, because last time we met in November, well, we've met since then. [29:54] But last time we had an interview here at Reuters Next was in November, 2023. [29:58] And you gave me some insight into, you know, uh, President Zelensky, uh, the, the man, right? [30:06] Um, and so I have a few quick questions for personal questions for you. [30:10] Are you ready? [30:11] Very fast. [30:12] The last one. [30:13] The last ones. [30:14] Very quick questions. [30:15] Okay. [30:16] You ready? [30:17] The last one few. [30:18] The last one few. [30:19] The last one few. [30:20] That's right. [30:21] Okay. [30:22] Ready? [30:23] Are you ready? [30:24] Do you miss being an actor? [30:28] I miss being a good father. [30:30] Okay. [30:32] When was, when your children were little, what did you tell them the most? [30:38] What was the thing that you told them the most when they were small? [30:44] I love you. [30:47] I love you. [30:49] And what do you tell them now that they're older? [30:51] Oh, I miss you. [30:53] Oh. [30:54] Uh, when was the last time you cried? [30:57] I will try to do it after our interview. [31:06] Okay. [31:07] When was the last time you laughed? [31:09] No, I mean this, I, between us. [31:11] So, uh, I'm, I'm normal man. [31:14] And, uh, and then there are a lot of different moments between us almost each day. [31:21] A lot of losses on the battlefield and civilians. [31:26] And there are absolutely crazy attacks on our people. [31:29] And I'm, it's just, it's, it's, I mean, I mean this, it's not about, I mean this, it's, it's very difficult really when I give orders. [31:42] I, I said about it, I always, it's, it's always difficult for me when I give, give orders to the mothers and fathers, uh, on there who lost their children. [31:53] Of course. [31:54] In such moments, uh, really I, I often, often cry. [31:59] Uh, are you a hero? [32:02] No. [32:03] So who is your hero? [32:06] My hero, my children, my army, our army and, uh, and, uh, Ukrainian people. [32:19] So I'm a part and I'm also Ukrainian. [32:23] I'm a part of our, um, of our nation. [32:28] But now our nation, I think, I think that our nation is absolutely heroic. [32:33] Wonderful. [32:35] On that note, I think we can close. [32:37] Thank you, President Zelensky. [32:39] We are so grateful for having you. [32:41] Thank you. [32:42] I don't know if you can hear the applause. [32:44] I, I hear you. [32:45] Thank you. [32:46] Thank you. [32:47] Thank you very much. [32:48] Thank you, Alexandra. [32:51] Uh, thank you, Alexandra. [32:52] Thank you, President Zelensky. [32:53] Look, uh, we've got 10 minutes before lunch. [32:55] This is a, a really good opportunity to show you how our news organization, I think, reacts in real time.