Naresh Bhatt’s HORRIFYING Attempt to Chop Up Mamta

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: All right, we are ready to proceed. Go ahead, Ms. Lennox. [00:00:24] Speaker 2: I want to clarify two things for the jury before we move on. I have two exhibits here that I want to show you to help make things clearer. What is depicted, what room is that? [00:00:43] Mr. Biden: Master room. [00:00:44] Speaker 2: The master bedroom. And as you look at that photo, does that help you to describe where the bed was at the time that you initially saw Mamta's body on the floor? [00:01:00] Speaker 1: Judge, before we go into the testimony of what he said happened, can we lay the foundation and then move it in? This is actually your exhibit. I was going to say, can you just label what photo he's looking at for the record? [00:01:16] Speaker 2: He is looking at Commonwealth's exhibit 27. Sorry, I should have. No problem. I couldn't hear about that. [00:01:24] Mr. Biden: As looking at this picture, I believe it is the bed after moved. [00:01:30] Speaker 2: It definitely is. Where was the bed? [00:01:33] Mr. Biden: Before right here. [00:01:35] Speaker 2: So, and what you're pointing at the space just to the right of the dresser. Yes. Is that correct? Yes. And that's where the bed was? [00:01:43] Mr. Biden: That's correct. [00:01:43] Speaker 2: Is the head of the bed against that wall? Yes. And the foot of the bed was coming out into the room? [00:01:49] Mr. Biden: That is correct. [00:01:49] Speaker 2: Okay. And, Judge, if I may, if I can approach the jury just so they can see this. You may. And Mr. Biden said it's just as we're looking at it just to the right of the dresser. [00:02:03] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:02:04] Speaker 2: The other picture that you have there, Mr. Biden? Do you see? That's ours, crazy. Is it ours? Yes. Mr. Biden, do you see the copper container? Yes. And where is that? [00:02:43] Mr. Biden: At the left corner of the kitchen cabinet. [00:02:47] Speaker 2: And, again, this is Commonwealth's Exhibit 9, for the record. Can you? So you're pointing to an object that's clearly made of copper or appears to be made of copper? Yes. On the cabinet there? [00:03:01] Mr. Biden: Yes. On the cabinet there? That's golden color, yes. [00:03:02] Speaker 2: Okay. And if I can approach the jury also to show you. You may. Sorry, I'm not publishing this on the screen. [00:03:09] Speaker ?: Object. [00:03:10] Speaker 2: So now let's go back. At some point, did you start to cut the body of Mamta Kassa? [00:03:57] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:03:58] Speaker 2: And what did you, what do you remember about that? [00:04:06] Mr. Biden: Just make a smaller size so that it fit on the can. [00:04:12] Speaker 2: Do you remember the details of how you did that? [00:04:17] Mr. Biden: Not all. Some of, yes. Some of, no. [00:04:21] Speaker 2: What do you remember? Tell the jury what you do remember. [00:04:28] Mr. Biden: Uh, I was trying to, uh, I was trying to leg apart. [00:04:33] Speaker 2: You were trying to do what? [00:04:34] Mr. Biden: Lower body apart. [00:04:35] Speaker 2: So, lower body apart. Lower her body apart? [00:04:39] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:04:40] Speaker 2: What do you mean by lower? [00:04:41] Mr. Biden: Uh, like separate the legs from the body. [00:04:44] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:04:45] Speaker 2: And, um, did, were you, were you able to do that? [00:04:52] Mr. Biden: No. [00:04:53] Speaker 2: Um, were you, did you do, and we're just talking now about the day, that first day. [00:05:00] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:05:01] Speaker 2: Were you able to accomplish all of that, that first day? [00:05:07] Mr. Biden: No. [00:05:09] Speaker 2: Why did you stop? [00:05:13] Mr. Biden: Mentally and physically, I was powerless. I, I was unable to do that. [00:05:19] Speaker 2: Um, you mean you didn't have the strength to do it? [00:05:23] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:05:27] Speaker 2: Where was her body when you were trying? To take, to take it apart? [00:05:34] Mr. Biden: Uh, it's a bath, bathroom, uh, where the take, uh, taking the shower, uh, it's a tub, white color of tub. [00:05:41] Speaker 2: The tub? [00:05:42] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:05:42] Speaker 2: So, the shower or the tub? [00:05:44] Mr. Biden: White color of the tub. [00:05:46] Speaker 2: Okay. Um, what clothes were you wearing? [00:05:53] Mr. Biden: I don't remember. [00:05:55] Speaker 2: Um, Did there come a point when you, when you had to stop? [00:06:02] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:06:03] Speaker 2: And why did you have to stop? [00:06:07] Mr. Biden: Like, my hands were not working, and then my, I was feeling like, I don't know what I was feeling, but feeling very differently. I was unable to do anything, and then my hands were even not working, but it wasn't working, and then my feeling process wasn't clear, I, I, like, a lot of black things coming on my head, eyes, I, my, you know, system, like, wasn't working, so I was unable to perform. [00:06:41] Speaker 2: At some point, did you have to pick up Nima? [00:06:44] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:06:47] Speaker 2: Um, what did you do, did you do anything before you went to pick up Nima? [00:06:53] Mr. Biden: I don't remember, maybe I text to the, uh, babysitter, or I don't remember. [00:06:58] Speaker 2: Did you change clothes? [00:07:00] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:07:01] Speaker 2: Did you shower? [00:07:02] Mr. Biden: No. [00:07:07] Speaker 2: Did you leave the house to pick Nima up? [00:07:09] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:07:11] Speaker 2: And when you left, um, did you shut the door or leave it open in the bedroom? [00:07:22] Mr. Biden: Mm, I don't remember, usually like, we'd never close the main door, we, you know, I don't remember that. But I put the, the crib was right there, uh, at the, up, you know, on the stairs, the, the, it wasn't a crib, it was diaper changing. It was on the top of the stair, but I moved that towards the main door. [00:07:47] Speaker 2: You moved it towards the main room? [00:07:49] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:07:50] Speaker 2: Why did you do that? [00:07:53] Mr. Biden: I don't know, just, I want to block the way, or I don't know why I did that, but I did that. [00:08:01] Speaker 2: Did you leave the house to get Nima? [00:08:04] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:08:05] Speaker 2: And how did you get to the babysitters? [00:08:07] Mr. Biden: Driving. [00:08:08] Speaker 2: Your car again? [00:08:10] Mr. Biden: Yes, same car, blue car. [00:08:11] Speaker 2: Picked her up? [00:08:13] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:08:15] Speaker 2: Do you remember bringing her back home again? [00:08:25] Mr. Biden: Majority of yes. [00:08:27] Speaker 2: What did you do when you got back home with Nima? [00:08:32] Mr. Biden: Just, I think, like, I buy something for Nima, or I do not exactly recall, and feed her, sleep her, and then talk to her. [00:08:43] Speaker 2: You were, you were talking to Nima? Yes. What were you talking to Nima about? [00:08:49] Mr. Biden: Just what happened, blaming Mamta. [00:08:52] Speaker 2: You were blaming Mamta? [00:08:53] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:08:55] Speaker 2: Why, why were you blaming her? [00:08:58] Mr. Biden: Why, what you did, whatever she did, you know, like, you know, she did not do good, and that's why we were blaming, I was blaming, talking to, with Nima, and then crying, and then blaming, we used to Mamta, yes. [00:09:12] Speaker 2: Did you go into, after you brought Nima home, did you go into the room where you had found Mamta? [00:09:18] Mr. Biden: Never. [00:09:20] Speaker 2: Did you, um, did you eventually try to go to sleep? [00:09:30] Mr. Biden: Not eventually, later, yes. [00:09:33] Speaker 2: Did you, were you able to sleep that night? [00:09:35] Mr. Biden: No. [00:09:36] Speaker 2: Um, did you go into, uh, the room where the prayers were done? [00:09:42] Mr. Biden: Not the room, nearby room. I was already, like, I threw my dad away, and then. [00:09:48] Speaker 2: You threw what away? [00:09:49] Mr. Biden: The secret threat, so I was scared to go over there. I just go nearby, but not exactly close to the, where the statue or those stuff. I did not go very close, but nearby, not, uh, not close. [00:10:03] Speaker 2: Why not? [00:10:04] Mr. Biden: Scared. Scared of the guard. [00:10:08] Speaker 2: And, did you go that night, while Nima was asleep, did you go into the bedroom? [00:10:17] Mr. Biden: No. [00:10:17] Speaker 2: Did you, did you do anything else that night, other than what you've described? [00:10:26] Mr. Biden: I went outside to the fall church. [00:10:30] Speaker 2: Do you remember, um, do you remember any of the other things that you, let me ask that a different way. Um, how were you feeling that night? Again, we're talking about July 30th. How were you feeling that night, after you'd gotten Nima home, and you were able to put her to sleep? [00:11:02] Mr. Biden: All the whole universe, bad thing is in my head. I don't know how to describe, but, like, I never, ever feel that before. I don't think anybody feel that in their life. So, it, I, it was hard to say. I don't know, like, what I was feeling. It's completely, like, out of normal. Normally, people cannot, I never feel that before, even when I was about to, when I had a first, first time kidnap, and then about to get killed, even I did not feel at that time. [00:11:40] Speaker 2: Did you, were you able to sleep that night at all? [00:11:45] Mr. Biden: No. [00:11:46] Speaker 2: Um, were you afraid? [00:11:51] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:11:51] Speaker 2: What were you afraid of? [00:11:53] Mr. Biden: Everything, including ghosts, everything. In, scared about, except the Nima, everything. [00:12:02] Speaker 2: The next day, um, did there come a time when you left the house? [00:12:09] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:12:10] Speaker 2: Um, and, do you remember, did you take things out of the house with you as you're coming and going during these two days? [00:12:23] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:12:24] Speaker 2: What things were you taking from the house? [00:12:28] Mr. Biden: Clothes and belongings. [00:12:30] Speaker 2: Clothes and belongings that belong to who? [00:12:32] Mr. Biden: Both of us, which are common things, this, common t-shirt we use, common stuff, common picture, pictures, like, not the pictures, like, cup, that we used to drink, same cup, a cup, and, uh, foods, clothes, common clothes, uh, common clothes, daily use clothes, um, those stuff. [00:12:57] Speaker 2: Why were you throwing food away? [00:13:01] Mr. Biden: Those are already open food, so, like, I don't want to keep those at home, uh, I want to throw those away, you know, because she opened those foods, so I want to throw those away. [00:13:12] Speaker 2: Is that something that you had seen before, when people died? [00:13:19] Mr. Biden: Yes, that's, normally people do that, yes. [00:13:21] Speaker 2: And, is, are you talking about Nepali culture or Hindu culture now? Yes. And what is, what is that, what is that tradition, or that, that, that practice? [00:13:36] Mr. Biden: Okay. [00:13:37] Speaker ?: Yes. Okay. [00:13:37] Mr. Biden: So, when somebody dies, in my culture, western part of Nepal, we throw away, uncultured, and, [00:13:38] Speaker 4: So when somebody dies in my culture, western part of Nepal, we throw away uncooked food. With the dead body. And that's called burki. It's a B-U-R-K-I. [00:14:14] Speaker 2: And how about the personal belongings of the individual? [00:14:20] Speaker ?: Katru. [00:14:22] Speaker 2: And what does Katru mean? [00:14:26] Mr. Biden: Katru means the wearing clothes, regular wearing clothes. [00:14:31] Speaker 2: And is there some tradition or practice surrounding the clothes that a person who has died? [00:14:37] Mr. Biden: We don't keep that at home, throw away as soon as possible because I scared, everybody's scared about those, throw as soon as. [00:14:47] Speaker 2: What about what? [00:14:48] Mr. Biden: Those clothes or clothes belongings, you know, who, what we use day to day, so throw those away as soon as possible. Otherwise, people say like the spirit, atma on that one, so you have to get rid of those as soon as possible. [00:15:05] Speaker 2: And why not put them in the trash in your house? [00:15:11] Mr. Biden: No, trash, I don't want to put on the trash. Trash, so like I want to put the dead body in the trash. So nothing else, only gold and then money, except the body, what the clothes on, only gold and money. That's it. Silver, gold, money. [00:15:29] Speaker 2: That's it. So why not put the clothes in the trash, though? Why not do that? [00:15:34] Mr. Biden: I don't know that, but like I just want to throw somewhere away. Usually don't throw on this with the same who dead body supposed to be not throwing with the clothes or stuff like that. Usually it's supposed to be burned. [00:15:53] Speaker 2: So did you, when you, did you take Nima to the babysitters the next day? [00:16:04] Mr. Biden: I guess yes, yes. [00:16:07] Speaker 2: And then did you come back home? [00:16:10] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:16:11] Speaker 2: And what did you do when you came back home? [00:16:16] Mr. Biden: Put in the trash can. [00:16:18] Speaker 2: And how, what did you do before you put your body in the trash can? [00:16:22] Mr. Biden: Reduce the size and then put in a trash can. How did you do that? In the bag. [00:16:28] Speaker 2: How did you do that, Mr. Bott? [00:16:30] Mr. Biden: With the, I had a saw. I used the saw. [00:16:35] Speaker 2: Did you use knives? [00:16:37] Mr. Biden: A little bit, but not a lot. [00:16:40] Speaker 2: And you've seen the picture of the Ryobi Saw Saw. Yes. Is that what you used? [00:16:47] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:16:48] Speaker 2: And, how, before you put, did you put her body in anything, the parts of her body in anything or anything else before you put those parts into the back, the trash can? [00:17:08] Mr. Biden: No, whatever in the trash can I remove and then I throw those even in the, in my car, I put in my car and then I throw those in false shirts where I used to leave. [00:17:18] Speaker 2: And you're talking about the trash that was in the trash can? [00:17:21] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:17:22] Speaker 2: What, do you remember what was in the trash can? [00:17:25] Mr. Biden: Food, diapers, I don't remember those stuff. [00:17:29] Speaker 2: And then her body, did you put her body in anything before you put it in the trash can? [00:17:36] Mr. Biden: Trash bag, not the kitchen bag. [00:17:42] Speaker 2: Kitchen trash bag. Did you use two bags or one bag? [00:17:46] Mr. Biden: Two bag. [00:17:47] Speaker 2: Do you remember how many different bags with her body you put into the trash? [00:17:54] Mr. Biden: I don't, I guess three. [00:18:01] Speaker 2: What day of the week was, was this day, Mr. Bhatt, July 31? Do you remember? [00:18:12] Mr. Biden: No. [00:18:15] Speaker 2: Do you remember, what is the day? [00:18:17] Mr. Biden: I do, I forgot now. I do, but I forgot now. [00:18:21] Speaker 2: Did, was it, was it the day that the trash truck was going to come and pick up trash? [00:18:29] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:18:30] Speaker 2: Did you remember that then, that that was going to happen? [00:18:34] Mr. Biden: No, I have no memory at that time, no. [00:18:37] Speaker 2: Did you, did you, what time did you finish taking Momsa's body into parts? [00:18:47] Mr. Biden: I don't remember that. It's, it's, it's, it's somewhere. Just, I came back from the babysitters and then, when I, I was going to the babysitters, I saw like people pulling those cans outside. Then I realized, oh, it's a trash day. [00:19:03] Speaker 2: So, was this something that you finished before the trash came? [00:19:09] Mr. Biden: Question one more time, please. [00:19:13] Speaker 2: Did you finish cutting Momsa's body before the trash came? [00:19:19] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:19:20] Speaker 2: And, did you know that that, that her physical body would be taken away at that time? Yes. And, did any part of her body ever go into the Tesla? [00:19:41] Mr. Biden: No. [00:19:42] Speaker 2: Did any part of her body go anywhere else? No. I think this is clear, but I want, I want to make it, make sure it's clear. So, you cut her body up and put it in the trash so that it would not be found? [00:20:07] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:20:08] Speaker 2: And you, that was your intention as you were cutting her body up and putting it in the trash, is that no one find her body? [00:20:18] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:20:19] Mr. Biden: Question one more time. [00:20:20] Speaker 2: It was your intention, you intended, that no one find her body, that's why you did that? [00:20:27] Mr. Biden: Yes. [00:20:38] Speaker 2: Judge, can I have Commonwealth's Exhibit 329B3? You may. Thank you. [00:21:14] Speaker ?: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you.