Sandra Birchmore💥 Trial Day 2 Recap in USA v Matthew Farwell

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: B2 will be kind of classy, a cupcake so sweet and sexy Have fun and enjoy the journey, just have a good attorney No big whoop, no biggie, she lives in New York City Not just the YouTube show, you know you know You better grab a straw, learn about the law It's cool here in the shade, if emotions are lemonade Coolness will prevail, kindness will never fail Be classy and vastly wise, oh Melanie, little is going live Oh no, where is Melanie, follow the island's melody There's a concert within reach, no surprise she's at Jones Beach She heard some music far away, Captain Jack's at Harbor Bay He sings in his piano plays, not all sounds are water away Speaking Yiddish and Latin, it's not just for Manhattan It's for Kutha and Meshagas, ridiculousness that in Santa's Boy, they mockers, the girl said, that's for schmucks Be cool, be kind, be classy, a cupcake so sweet and sexy And not just the YouTube show, you know, you know, you know Coolness will prevail, kindness will never fail Be classy and vastly wise, Melanie, little is going live Hello [00:01:49] Speaker 2: Testing one, two, check one, two, check one, two Good afternoon, good evening Depending on where you are in the world Good night, good evening How's everyone doing? Today is Tuesday, October 13th, 2026 I am traveling again, it's the show of the traveling, Melanie And I've also been really sick I don't know what's wrong with me But I don't know, it's been really sick I can't get rid of this, like, pressure I don't know, I heard that the sea thing is going around again And I don't know what's going on But my voice is feeling it My congestion, my head is feeling it It's all feeling it It's the ick Whatever it is, it's the ick Thanks, Allison, for becoming a member Patches for Cupcakes for Justice Thank you for your super sticker And look at Patches for Cupcakes for Justice Gifting five memberships So early in the stream There's so much to catch up on There's so much to catch up on I thought it was going to be harder to cover The Matthew Farwell trial Because we have no live feed But there's so much more to cover I feel like because we don't have a live feed And because I'm trying to call together So many different people's Interpretations of the testimony From the trial that happened today In Mowgli Federal Courthouse Downtown Boston And there's a lot of boots on the ground Grant Smith-Ellis continues to do great work If you didn't watch our show yesterday We did a show yesterday that I found fascinating And I hope you did too So go on over there And catch the replay If you didn't see it He has been He's been spilling the tea All over the place Somebody called him like The tea The king of tea Or something I don't know So A lot of stuff happened today Some of the amazing stuff Number one Michael Proctor's attorney Was in the courtroom today Furiously taking notes Remember the one [00:03:47] Speaker ?: Remember the one [00:03:47] Speaker 2: Who looks like Abraham Lincoln His name is Hamel I think with one H-A-M-E-L But then it came out That maybe he's representing Another witness in this trial I don't know But in true Grant fashion He got some footage of him Outside on the street He's like an on-the-street reporter He's an in-the-courtroom reporter Then in the afternoon He went into the overflow room And he said the overflow room Was even better Because on the big screen He could see Matthew Farwell's face And the faces of the people In the gallery And something really horrific And jump scare Happened this afternoon When the defense Put up By accident A picture of Sandra Birchmore With a ligature around her neck Post-mortem They intended to put up Something else Like a floor plan Or something totally benign Without warning All of a sudden This picture Flashed up on the big screens And everyone was traumatized Everyone In fact Grant Had to like collect himself And leave the room And like miss some of the testimony So yeah The high T host That's good Okie dokie That's good They did it twice Twice today Well we're going to get to it Because we're going to go through All the notes We're going to go through All the testimony There were five witnesses today Five witnesses They heard motions in the morning And how can you make that mistake? Well the judge didn't like it It's hard for me to Obviously I say this to you guys All the time It's hard to Discern tone From text messages And from articles And from transcripts You can only Really evaluate tone When you actually hear Someone's words Which is why It was so important For us to Get those Audio transcripts Of the Kelsey Fitzsimmons Hearing With Judge McCarthy Nyman Remember We had the transcript And I said No, no, no I got to order the FTR And I ordered it And we listened to it And her tone Was even worse Than I impersonated it to be But the judge Wasn't happy About the mistake Of showing The wrong photo And it's a problem It's a problem Today's motivational quote Of the day For Tuesday October 13th 2026 Nelson Henderson said The true meaning of life Is to plant trees Under whose shade You do not expect To sit I hear that again The true meaning of life Is to plant trees Under whose shade You do not expect To sit That's good, right? Nelson Henderson For your quote Stay focused Focus, focus, focus There we go And so We have it We'll get back to it If you missed it I can't keep repeating myself About everything But we're going to cover the day We're going to cover the day Iced coffee Fan I'm an iced coffee fan too That's what I'm always drinking When you see me on the air Proud newbie cupcake From Canton Oh, Canton's in the house I'm sorry Thanks for being here for a month Robin says Love the hat Feel better soon I love the hat too I'm a hat person I love hats On days when I just have Bad hair days And I just don't feel like Putting on Doing my hair That's when you see me In a baseball cap When you see me In a baseball cap That's because I didn't have time To get up and do my hair And I'm just a hat person I love hats All kinds of hats Thank you Kay Willis is here She says get better soon She's a realtor South the bus In 23 months She's been with me And thank you Allie G For loving the hat And for being here For 18 months Because you're awesome You're awesome So all day I'm refreshing Refreshing Refreshing Refreshing the browser Constantly To hear from Emily C Who has the best handwriting Of anyone I've ever known In my entire life We're going to look At her handwritten notes We're going to look at Or I'm going to read to you I have summarized Most of the testimony But I'm going to read to you Portions of it From Grant Smith Ellis' Twitter feed We are going to look At some tweets At least one That I have pulled up For you From Boozy Beauty Who is also In the courtroom And she Gives us a little bit More insight Into the connections Between all of these players My show notes Are in the My email's in the show notes Below this video Katie Thanks for your super chat I like to stay on topic Though So if you wanted To send it to me I can look at it At some point later And so there you go That's what we're going To look at I didn't even look At mainstream media reporting Because quite frankly They haven't really been there So Now all of a sudden They realize That Grant Is the one Who all the YouTubers Are using For their source information And so I saw I saw today That Christina Rex Is now publishing Her notes As the day goes on She's collaborating With somebody With her You know She's collaborating With somebody For her notes I'm not really Even sure who So we've got five witnesses We've got Was there anything else I wanted to discuss With you Before we start Nancy says Thanks for doing this Melanie It's so under Stated The abuse of power Here listen When I started [00:09:23] Speaker ?: When I started [00:09:23] Speaker 2: Covering Karen Reed So many of you Said to me You got to look Into Sandra Birchmore You got to look Into Sandra Birchmore And being neck deep And over my head I mean underwater Basically in Karen Reed Coverage For so long It took me a while To be able to get to it But then When I got to it I was blown away We went through And I have an entire Playlist linked below In the show notes Of Sandra Birchmore We went through Every single Police report We can get our hands on All of the witness statements All the investigative materials The civil lawsuit That her estate brought Against Matthew Farwell And others And this is Horrific At the highest levels At the highest level Oh Who said this? Patches for Cupcakes says I was so upset today The main street media Main street media Said Farwell was on trial For having a relationship With a woman What? I don't have receipts On that But Whoever mainstream Collaborates They won't be As fast as Grant Yeah, he's an incredibly Fast typist And When I first started Covering Sandra Birchmore It just brings back To me Everything that I learned During my coverage Coverage My representation Of victims Survivors Of clergy SA All of whom Were children When the scandal Broke in 2002 In 2002 I became one of the lead [00:10:57] Speaker ?: I became one of the lead [00:10:57] Speaker 2: Attorneys On Long Island Against the Diocese of Rockville Center And Represented 50, 60 Maybe more Plaintiffs Against The Diocese of Rockville Center That scandal Broke in Boston In 2002 And it was A scandal And a cover up Of epic proportions Nationwide Worldwide That had been going on For decades Really for Over a hundred I mean over a hundred years It's been going on Since I don't know The beginning of the Catholic Church And it was Covered up And it was Managed And in my cases Many of the priests And the Monsignors Who were in charge of You know Complaints Let's say From parents Were also lawyers So a parent Would go in To complain About father There was an actual Father fingers Believe it or not They would go in Let's say And complain About father Bud Touching their son And And the Monsignor Lawyer would say Oh don't worry We'll handle it We'll handle it We'll handle it You know how they handled it They shuffled the priest To a different parish And didn't warn everybody At the next parish That father fingers Liked little boys I had I think Seven men Who were abused Seven No seven To ten Maybe ten men Abused by the same priest At something like Seven different parishes Over the course of 20 years Okay And then What they would do You know To help these Priests Is send them To a special Pedo Rehab camp In Pennsylvania Okay So when people say There's no such thing As a cover up It's impossible There's no way That so many people Could keep a secret Oh it's possible It's happened I I I Investigated it And Represented people At the highest level Of corruption And there were so many people Who knew what was going on And nobody talked about it So there's that So it can happen It's happened It's happening And it'll happen again It's not that hard to believe Really If you have any I don't know Sense of Any common sense I believe I think that too Skokian says There's got to be a special Corner of Hades For those who harm children I think I don't believe in the death penalty In a lot of cases But I feel like people Who hurt children Maybe Just maybe It would be appropriate In those kind of cases All right And here we go Pivot Day two Matthew Farwell trial In Mowgli courthouse In Boston It's beautiful It's on the water Gorgeous Gorgeous Sometimes Grant does His coverage from outside On the HABA On the HABA Here's what he said Well first Let's take a look At his footage Of Michael Proctor's Lawyer That he got I don't know Do you think he's in there Taking notes Does anybody know for sure If he's out there You know Just trying to see What they know Or if he actually Does represent A witness In the trial All right Let's see Here's this He says Michael Proctor Worked for Jeffrey Epstein He said To Michael Proctor's Lawyer Matthew Hamill Outside today Sandra Birchmore And Matthew Farwell trial Hamill was very weirdly Taking notes In the courtroom He says That's what he gets For Stare Boosie Beauty And Esty Okay Esty's Oh I forgot Esty is there too And I think Karen Goldberg I'm not sure If she was there today Because they've been Managing a lot of things And haven't had a chance To cover everything Or look at everything But I always feel like I have more time Than I do This is courtesy of Grant And this is Matthew Hamill Remember the guy Who looks like Abraham Lincoln A little bit Walking down the street Let me know You can hear it [00:15:06] Speaker ?: Mr. Hamill [00:15:08] Speaker 3: Mr. Hamill Did you enjoy The hearing today I'm glad you enjoyed it Have a good rest Of your afternoon Michael Proctor Worked for Jeffrey Epstein [00:15:16] Speaker 2: Mr. Hamill Did you enjoy The hearing Michael Proctor Worked for Jeffrey Epstein I mean We pulled up Some receipts Last night Of very crazy Coincidences About Apparently Michael Proctor Worked As a Mutual fund Accountant At State Street And other places At the same address Where Jeffrey Epstein Was paying rent For girls It was wild All the receipts Are there We pulled them up Last night I don't know That Michael Proctor Worked there At the exact same time But It's giving me Did you enjoy Cancun With Melanie Little Vibes Right Jackie loves Grant Last night's show Was great And informative Thank you I feel like I'm being a little bit Gaslit Tell me this Chat Because I know You will Did Matthew Dunn Testify At Karen Reed's Trial I was on Trial Channel I could have Sworn that He did But I went On Trial Channel Today And I could not Find his Testimony In either trial And maybe I'm conflating It with another Trial Maybe he Testified in Harry Turk Or maybe he Testified in Brian Walsh And so I don't know Was it Brian Walsh Okay Thanks Nancy I thought He testified In Karen Reed Then I couldn't Find it Because I Wanted to Put up A picture Of him While we Were talking About him Okay It must have Been Brian Walsh We've covered A lot Of cases In Norfolk County Thank you Babes Mom For your Super sticker I appreciate You so much All right So then it's Going to be Storytime Today It's going To be Storytime Okay And this Is Grant In the voice Of Grant Smith-Ellis From This morning Hello From inside Boston's Moakley Federal Courthouse Where I'm Here with Live post Coverage Of the first Day of Testimony In the Santra Bertram Matthew Farwell Trial Remember Openings Happened Friday Afternoon And so And yesterday Was a Federal Holiday Columbus Day So Courts Just reopened Today And today Was the First Day Of Actual Testimony We expect An 845 A.M. Motion Hearing As to Defense Openings Three Unknown People Entered With The Defense Okay We're Inside The Courtroom And my Quiet Towel Typing Device Is Active Remember How Somebody Used to Complain That he Typed Too Loudly During Karen Reed's First Trial Mizzy And Barb Were The First Ones In The Courtroom Peter Murphy Is Also Here Shout Out To Peter Murphy Who's Really Trying To Expose The Corruption In Canton Because He Retired As a Canton Police Sargent He was There For I Think 30 Years And He's Amazing Peter Murphy Is Really A Really Salt Of The Earth Like Just Kind Soul Really Kind Man Matthew Farwell Has Arrived He's In A Black Suit Today He Sits Looking Straight Forward Now He Turns To Each Side Discusses With Defense Counsel Farwell Looks Engaged With His Paperwork The U.S. Attorneys Arrive They Flash A Quick Smile At The Farwell Defense We Await Judges Arrival On The Bench At 8 45 A.M. My Quiet Towel Typing Device Is Very Effective I Noticed That No One In The Media Section Is Looking At Me Like I'm Some Kind Of Typing Prod Prod [00:18:48] Speaker ?: Prod [00:18:48] Speaker 2: This Is Good News For Towels There Is One Woman On The Farwell Bench In The Gallery She's Older Dark Brown Hair She Slumps The U.S. Attorneys Tori Cummings And Elizabeth Riley Are Filing Documents On A Push Cart That Contains Roughly Seven To Nine Binders And Easily 100,000 Pages Of Material We Still Await The Judge Judge Enters All Rise We Begin First Matter The DOJ Motion For Further Curative Instructions After Defense Openings Judges Read The Defense's Response Judge Says After Considering And Thinking About The Opening Statements By Defense The Judge Will Allow Docket 339 To The Following Extent The Judge Will Read This Instruction Good Morning Jurors Because Remember They Wanted A Curative Instruction Because Of Some Of The Missteps In The Opening Of The Defense That We Talked About Yesterday With Grant And So She The Judge Decided That She Would Read This Instruction To The Jury Today Before Testimony Begins Good Morning Jurors As I Told You Last Week The Government Will Begin Its Presentation Of Evidence This Week Again Council's Opening Statements Were Not Evidence If There Were Exhibits Referenced In A Council's Opening That Are Not Admitted That Was Part Of It That Defense Council Referred To Some Exhibits That Had Not Yet Been Admitted You Will Not Be Permitted To Consider Them During Deliberations Also To The Extent That Council Reference The Law Only If The Instructions Given By Me Not By Counsel Are What You Will Consider During Deliberations And Remember That Had To Do With The Defense Saying In Its Opening If One Of You Finds That The Prosecution Did Not Prove Its Case Beyond A Reasonable Doubt Then They Must Acquit Or Then You Must Then You Must Acquit And It Wasn't Clear Whether You Referred To The Entire Jury Or Whether You Refer To That Single Juror Who May Have Decided That The Prosecution Didn't Reach Its Burden For That One Person To Vote For An Equital It Was Very It Was Incorrect And May Have Crossed The Line For Something That Could Have Been Admissible In An Opening Or Not Admissible But Appropriate So She Says Also To The Instructions Given By Me Not By Counsel Are What You Will Consider During Deliberations Counsel As I Alluded To On Friday This Case Is In Its Infancy Remember The Jury Is Not Here At This Point I Don't Think More Is Warranted At This Point But I Will Be Listening To What Counsel Says As We Go Forward Two Further Notes One There Were Two Things Miss Stevens That Raised My Eyebrows During Your Opening This Is The Judge Talking To Farwell's Defense Attorney Kimberly Stevens Who's Been The One That's Been A Little Touchy Feely With Him As People Have Reported So She Says There Were Two Things Miss Stevens That Raised My Eyebrows During Your Opening First Arguments About Reasonable Doubt Are Clearly Fair I Encourage Counsel On Both Sides To Reread The Case Law On Nullification And We Are Not Going To Have That Here My Apologies Your Honor Says I'm Really Stevens The Defense Attorney Thank You Noted Says The Judge Remember Just Chief Justice Denise Casper Is The First Black Woman To Be Appointed To The Massachusetts Federal Court We Learned That Yesterday Judge Says She Has Her Eyebrows Raised By The Defense Mentioning Farwell Using Covert Means To Enter Sandra's Apartment By Using A Mask To Hide His Affairs The Judge Reviewed The Government Motion To Now Admit Evidence Of Farwell Affairs They Want That In They Want Three Women To Be Able To Come In And Testify Listen I Was Having An Affair With Him Too And He Never Ever Wore A Mask Because In Opening If You Recall If You Were Here For My Grant Grant And I Did A Live Read Yesterday A Cold Read Of The Openings Because The Transcript Was Released Right As We Were Live So We Just Pivoted To That The Defense Said In Its Opening That He Had An Affair Like That's How They Opened And The Reason He Was Wearing A Mask Is Because He Was Having An Affair Prosecution Argument Is Look They Because There's Three Other Women Who Are Going To Come In And Say I Had An Affair With Him And He Never Wore A Mask Which Is Interesting The Judge Is Considering Whether Firewell's Defense Opened The Door To A More Limited Version Of The 404b Evidence Which Is More Narrow Than The Prior That More Narrow That Prior Scope Judge Is Still Thinking About The 403 Balance It's Like Is It More Prejudicial Than Probative That's The 403 Weighing Test When Deciding Whether Or Not To Admit Evidence Is It More Prejudicial To The Defendant Then Probative That's Just An Easy Way Of Explaining It To You For The Moment Judges Prior Ruling Stands But The Judge Understands The Concern That The DOJ Is Raising So I Guess They're Going To See How The Testimony Pans Out And Then They Talk About The Updated Exhibit List And Then She's Going To Rule On Some Exhibits That Have Not Yet Been Ruled She Looks At All The Paperwork And The Judge Expects Based On Prior Rulings That These Disputed Exhibits Will Come In Assuming That Foundation Can Be Laid There Was One Exhibit That Was Withdrawn All Right She Wants Them To Mark Their Exhibits Refer To Them A Certain Way By Number And The Judge Mentions A Stipulation About Toxicology And She Says Do You Expect That Today And The DOJ Says Tomorrow And The Judge Says She Will Read The Instructions To The Jury But Stipulations She Will Read The Instructions The Judge Is Going To Read The Jury But The Attorneys Are Going To Read The Stipulation Into The Record So Counsel Is Going To Do That For The Jury And Also This Is What The Judge Said This Morning That's Why That Mistake That Was Made Was So Horrific Judge Says Today We Will See Some Photos Of The Scene That Will Include Photos Of Sandra's Body The Judge Will Read An Instruction To The Jury Before Doing So And Here Will Be The Instruction Before These Photos These Gruesome Graphic Photos Of Sandra's Body Are Shown Jurors As We Mentioned Before In Jury Selection I Expected The Government Will Introduce Photos Of Sandra Birchmore's Body From The Alleged Crime Scene And The M.E.'s Office Some Of These Will Be Introduced Today They Are Graphic I Instruct That Your Verdict Must Not Be Influenced By The Graphic Nature Of The Photos Nor The Fact That They May Induce Sympathy For Ms. Birchmore Consider Them Only As They Relate To The Elements Of The Crime The DOJ Wants Her To The Alleged Crime Scene And The Judge Says I Think It Is The Alleged Crime Scene The DOJ Says This Will Come Up With Officer Cotard Who Is Coming Before Trooper Dunn He Did Testify Today Cotard There's A Bunch Of Papers That Have Been Filed Since Friday And The DOJ Is Asking For The One New FBI Witness To Be Exempted From Sequestration And There's No Objective To That That Means That Whoever This New FBI Witness Is Is Going To Be To Sit In Court And Watch Testimony Or Watch It Somewhere Else There's Also Some Sealed Motions About Certain Exhibits That Have Not Been Ruled On Yet And Then They Waited A While For A Juror There's Also Another Motion Regarding The Civil Complaint That's Outstanding Judge Still Has To Look At It The DOJ Withdraws The Sequestration Exemption Request And The DOJ Is In Agreement With Admission Of The Civil Complaint So I Guess The Civil Complaint Is Going To Come In All Right Marking Exhibits Etc Etc Housekeeping And Then They Had To Wait Until All The Jurors Arrive And Some Of Them One Of Them Was Stuck In Boston Traffic Which I Hear Is Pretty Bad Boston Traffic Then He Says Brian Fogarty Stands By The DOJ Table With His Hands In His Pocket Elizabeth Riley Is At The Lectern She May Be Directing The First Witness Another Woman Has Joined The Farwell Bench In The Public Gallery She's Middle Age Dark Thinning Hair Unclear Who She Is There's If You're Keeping Track There's Two Women Sitting On Farwell Side Of The Court Room Sandra Has 40 Which Is The Max Allowed I Wonder If You Wanted To Get Into Court If You Could Just Say I Wanted To The To The Three Open Seats On The Farwell Bench In The Public Gallery He Says There's No Sound In The Court Room Whatsoever While They're Waiting For This Juror And Then The Juror Arrived And There We Go Jurors Entering All Rise We Begin Judge Says Good Morning Gives The Curative Instruction After The Defense Opening The One That We Read Earlier Together That I Just Read To You Grant's Notes Say Heavy Scolding For The Defense Here But The Judge Does Not Lay That Out Directly For The Jurors So I Guess The Tone From Her Tone He Could Infer That She Really Was Kind Of Spanking The Defense About Their Opening And The First Witness Is Detective Heather Cheever Heather Cheever Was Sandra Birchmore Mentor And It Was Very Interesting To Hear Sandra Birchmore Mentor Chosen To Be The First Witness Because She's Also A Stoughton Police Officer So The Things That She's Testifying About She's Kind Of Testifying Against Her Own Department So This Is Very Interesting And She's Sworn Her Name Is Heather Cheever Stoughton PD She's A Detective She Joined The Force In 2013 Her Current Rank Is Detective She's Asked What Is The Difference Between That And A Police Officer She Says A Police Officer Responds To Calls For A Detective It Would Be An Investigation Or A Call That Would Require A More Depth Investigation She Became A Detective In May Of 2025 During Her Time As Stoughton Police Officer She Did Respond To Unattended Deaths Some Of Them Involving Taking Of One's Own Life And Then The Question Is Any Of Them Involved Someone Seated And She Said No Did You Ever Work With The Norfolk DA State Police CPAC Unit Yes You Worked Alongside Them Yes What Kind Of Things Do You Do When Working With Them And She Says For Something Like An Unattended Death I Respond On Scene And Gather Information Depending On Where The Case Goes If It Requires Follow Ups Then CPAC Gets Involved So When CPAC Takes Over An Investigation For An Unattended Death You Stay On The Case And Keep Working With Them And Do Follow Up And She Said Yes Here The First Exhibit Pulled Up On The She Smiling And Wearing Her Glasses It Is Shown To Jurors And On The Court Room Screen She First Met Sandra In 2013 When She Graduated The Academy That's When She First Became A Stoughton Police Officer At The Time Sandra Was 15 Years Old She Came To Meet Her Because Sandra Was In The Police Explorers Program She Says I'd See Her In The Station She Would Ask If We Want A Coffee She Wanted To Talk To Us At The Stoughton Police Station When She Wanted To Come And Talk What Did You Discuss Heather Says A Lot Of It Would Be Her Wanting To Be A Police Officer What The Academy Is Like What Calls Are Like When You Go Out On Them What It's Like To Be A Woman In Law Enforcement And She Seemed Interested In The Job Her Attitude Towards Other Police Officers Was Very Respectful And When She Grew Up She Wanted To Be A Police Officer And Heather Says And I Became A Mentor To Her She Asked Me For Life Guidance Or Homework Questions Or Social Questions She Looked Up To Me Next Question Was When You First Started At Stoughton PD Sandra Was In Something Called The Police Explorers Program Yes Exhibit 326 Is Pulled Up On To The Screen It Is A Picture Of Sandra In The Police Explorers Program The Defense Objects The Judge Overrules The Objection The Judge Admits The Exhibit We Now See The Picture On The Screen Of Sandra At 12 Years Old In The Police Explorers Program Did You And Miss Birchmore Discuss Her Involvement In The Program Yes Heather Says She Loved Being Involved In The Program She Liked The Structure It Gave Her Something To Do Other Than Going To School And Being At Home She Liked The Knowledge She Gamed At The Program What Did The Program Entail I Just Lost My Place Hold On Oh Please The Program Was Like A Smaller Police Academy It's a Smaller Scale Police Academy They Do Physical And Other Training They Learned About The Roles Of A Police Officer I Didn't Realize That They Did Physical Training Another Training At 12 Years Old It's Pretty Cool Exhibit 327 Is Now Published A Judge Allows It Over The Defense As Cumulative Objection Okay So They're Saying Don't Keep Showing Photos Of Her In The Police Explorers Program So Everyone Could See How Little She Was And How Young She Was When Barwell Started Grooming Her There's Another Picture Of He's Wearing A Police Explorers T-Shirt Sandra Is Half The Size Of The Other Children In The Photo The DOJ Asks Cheevers To Identify Farwell He's In The Middle Of The Table There Wearing A Suit She Must Have Pointed At Did The Defendant Have Any Role In The Explorers Program When Ms. Birchmore Was There Yes He Was An Instructor It Took Place At The Stoughton Police Department And The Next Question Is Did That Program Involve One On One Tutoring At The Library And Detective Cheever Says No Did You Discuss Other Subjects Beyond Police Work And She Says Yes School Works School Work And Things Like That What Kind Of Student Was Sandra An Average Student Sometimes I Would Visit Her While She Worked At Dunkin Donuts And She Would Ask For Help With Her Homework Sandra Worked At Dunkin Donuts During High School And She Asked Her For Help With Homework During This Time And Detective Achiever Says I Worked Overnight 12 To 8 A.M. And Sandra Stayed Up Late She Wanted To Stay In School And Do Well And She And I Would Speak On Facebook Messenger Throughout The Night She Would Ask For Homework Help I Gave Her My Phone Number As Well Sandra Just Really Needed People To Look Up To She Just She Was Seeking Guidance She Was Seeking A Lot Of Things And She Was So Young We're Going To Find Out Later In Some Of This Testament She Never Knew Her Father And Then Her Mother And Her Grandmother Died Within A Year Of Each Other When She Was 18 And Then Her Aunt Tied She Had So Much Loss And She Was Just Looking For Guidance And Love And Support And That's What This Police Explorers Program Was Supposed To Provide To Children But Instead They Preyed On Them And I'm Sure She Not The Only One And I Hope If There's Anybody Else Out There Who Was A Victim Of The Police Explorers Program In Stoughton Please Say Something She Was So Vulnerable Right So Vulnerable Robin Who Are You Salted Ruby Okay Number One Of The Day Oh Please Sandra Was Running Wild Okay Who Do You Think This Person Is Defending Matthew Farwell Hold On Because Because We Need To Deep Dive Into This Person This Is What They Do This Is What They Do It's Wild Oh Please Sandra Was Running Wild What Evidence Do You Have Of That Salted Ruby Let's See If You've Ever Commented On This Channel Before And Whether Or Not You You've Actually Waited Three Days For Oh You Have Been Here You've Been Saying She's A Very Unstable Girl You're Sick You're Sick And Black Island Is Lovely This Time Of Year Enjoy It I Have No Time For You No Time And No Patience For People Like You In Any Way Shape Or Form Enjoy Today's Not The Day To Test Me She Was 12 Sick Mofo And Think About It This Way To Her First Sexual Experience Was A Crime Apparently You Know Nothing About Why Am I Freezing Why Am I Freezing YouTube Having Issues All Right Maybe It's The Broken Internet If You Didn't Hear What I Said Because I Froze Oh And Now I Froze Again All Right I'm Going To Keep Freezing I Don't Know Why Because My Internet Speed Is Super Fast I'm On Ethernet And Everything She Was A Child Tell Me You Know Nothing About Child SA Without Telling Me You Know Nothing About It Because When You're 12 Years Old And That's Your Normal How Do You Think It's Going To Work Out For A Kid Like That When Someone That You Trust In A Position Of Power Takes Advantage Of You At Such A Young Age How Do You Think That Child's Life Is Going To Work Out Sicko All Right I Wasn't Freezing On My End I'm Freezing So I Assumed I Was On Your End Too I Have No Time For That Zero Detective Cheever Goes On To Say Every Time I Was Where Sandra Was She Was Always In A Good Mood Did You Ever Tutor Her At A Library No Did Sandra Tell You The Defendant Tutored Her At A Library No What Would You Have Done If She Told You That This Is Important She Said I Would Have Asked Why She Was Hanging Out With Someone Who Was Older I Would Have Said It Was I Appropriate Sandra Had Closer Relationships With Adults Than With Kids Her Own Age The Witness Was As Did Sandra Discuss Her Family Life With You At The Time And She Said Yes Sandra Adored Aunt Darlene And Her Cousin I Found Out Sandra Was A Single Mom And I Bonded With Her Over That Question Was Sandra's Father Ever In Her Life Answer No And Sandra Also Had No Siblings At The Time Sandra Lived In An Apartment With Her Mother Her Aunt And Her Cousin They Had Section Eight Her Mom Had Cardiac Issues I Had Responded To That Home A Few Times Because Sandra's Mom Had Medical Emergencies I Mean So Not Only Was Sandra As A Young Girl Taking Care Of Her Mom She Was Just Looking For Guidance Would Sandra Be There When You Helped Her Mom Detective Heather Cheever Says Yeah Sandra Was Always There She Was Always Polite And Always Talked With First Responders Did You Visit That Park Street Address When You Were Off Duty That's Where She Lived With Her Mom Yes One Time Sandra's Cat Had A Litter Of Kittens And We Adopted One Of The Kittens My Partner And I Did Sandra Talk About Her Love Of Cats She Says Sandra And I Talked About That A Lot Sandra Then Graduated From Stoughton High School And She Enlisted In The Army However The Army Discovered A Shellfish Allergy And Then Sandra Was Returned Home Heather Said Where Was Sandra Before She Returned Home And The Answer Was I Forget The Exact Location But Sandra Told Me It Was Out Of State After Her Time In The Army Sandra Started College At Massa Soiet If I'm Pronouncing That Right If I'm Not You'll Tell Me And Then Her Mom Passed Away Shortly Thereafter When Sandra Was 18 Years Old Heather Says I Was Close To Sandra And She Was Devastated In 2016 When Her Mom Died Heather Goes On To Say I'm Calling Her Heather Just For Ease Of She's A Police Officer At Stoughton BD At The Time She Then Became A Detective Very Recently Oh Good Job On Massa Soiet Thank You Sandra's Grandmother Who Sandra Was Close To Then Died A Month After Her Mom Had Died Sandra Had Not Even Processed The Death Of Her Mom And Then Another Person Who Loved Her Passed Away Sandra Then Started Reaching Out To Me A Lot More That's When I Gave Her My Personal Phone Number I Told Her To Call Me Anytime She Needed I Told Her I Would Be There For Her Can [00:44:27] Speaker ?: You [00:44:27] Speaker 2: Believe This This Is There Are Good Police Officers Out There You Guys That's Why I Don't Tolerate Comments About All Cops Are Bad All To Help This Young Girl Who Really Wanted How Can I Say It She Was Vulnerable That's Why He Targeted Her This Is So Repulsive And It's Not Getting Enough Coverage There Should Be Worldwide Coverage On This Because This Is Not I Remember When I Did A Deep Dive Into The Police Explorers Program There Had Been Thousands Of Complaints Nationwide In These Exact Programs By Children Who Were Abused By Their Instructors Question Was She Sad And Grieving Yes Did You Ever See Her That Sad Again No Did Sandra Start Feeling Better Over Time Objection By The Defense Overruled Says The Judge I Noticed Her Mood Improved Because She Stopped Reaching Out So Much Did She Kill Herself After Her Grandmother Died And Her Mother Died No Where Did Sandra Birchmore Go After Her Mother Died She Moved Into Her Grandmother's House On Holbrook Avenue With Her Grandmother Her Aunt Darlene Darlene's Son And Sandra Did You Speak With Sandra During That Period Of Time And Darlene As Well Yes [00:46:13] Speaker ?: Yes [00:46:13] Speaker 2: What [00:46:13] Speaker ?: What [00:46:13] Speaker 2: Was That Relationship Like Like So Right After Sandra's Mom Died That's When She Moved In With The Grandmother And The Aunt She Must Have Been So Lost She Must Just Felt So Lost I Just Lost My Mother And At My Age I Don't Know When I'm Going To Get Over And Imagine You're 15 I Mean 18 18 I'm Sure There Are People In The Chat Who Lost Their Mom At 18 That's Devastating What Was That Relationship Like The Relationship Between Sandra And Darlene She Says Sandra Was Still Of High School Age As Any Typical Navigating That Time Without Her Mom Or Her Grandmother Darlene Was The One Who Stepped In To Be The Caregiver For Sandra During That Time Did Sandra Tell You At Some Point That Darlene Wanted To Sell The Home Yes Sandra Felt Upset And Lost She Didn't Know Where She Was Going To Go I Mean Imagine The Fear Of Being Homeless At 18 Ready To Go Live On Your Own Yet Did You Respond On May 14th Of 2020 To Holbrook Avenue Okay So This Is May 14th Of 2020 Sandra Is Killed February 1st Of 2021 So It's Approximately Nine Months Before She's Murdered There Was A Call To [00:47:48] Speaker ?: To [00:47:48] Speaker 2: To And Heather To Yes There Was A Call For A Well-being Check Two Officers Responded And I Responded As Well Because I Wanted To Make Sure That Sandra Was Okay Was It A Well-being Check For Sandra Yes What Was She Doing She Was Sitting There At The Table And She Was Angry She Had Gotten Into An Argument With Darlene About The House Being Sold Sandra Had Said A Statement Out Of Anger About Wanting To Hurt Herself But Sandra Clarified That She Didn't Want To Actually Hurt Herself She Was Just Angry At Her Aunt I Say Aunt I Know A Lot Of You Say Aunt So I'm Just Testing It Out Seeing How I Want To Say It So This May 14 5 14 20 That Was The Wellness Check This Heather Achiever Praise Be Thank You Thank You For Being You For Caring About Kids These Are The People That Should Be Teaching The Police Explorers Program The Officers Who Should Be Involved In It Not Predators What Was She Doing She Was Sitting There At The Table She Had Gotten Into An Argument With Darlene About The House Being Sold Sandra Had Said A Statement Out Anger About Wanting To Hurt Herself But Sandra Clarified That She Didn't Want To Actually Hurt Herself She Was Just Angry At Her Aunt Did You Observe Miss Birchmore Yes Have You Responded To Scenes Where People Are Wanting To Take Their Own Lives During Your Time As A Police Officer Yes What Kind Of Training Do You Have About That She Says We Have A Number Of Different Trainings The Witness Details A List Of Trainings Related To The Topic How Long Did You Spend With Miss Birchmore She Says She Was There For About 20 Minutes What Did You Observe I Observed A Lot Of People Living In One Small Area Do You Believe Based On Your Training That Sandra Birchmore Wanted To Take Her Own Life Objection By The Defense Over Ruled Answer No I Didn't Think She Was Suicidal Based On How You Knew Sandra Personally Did You Think She Was Suicidal No Was Sandra Taken To The Hospital That Day And She Explains That Yes Anytime Anybody Makes A Self-Harm Statement We Fill Out Section 12 Paperwork And That Gets Them An Ambulance Ride To The Hospital And From There A Doctor Has To Have A Conversation With Patients Make A Determination We Saw That In Karen Reid We Also Heard On The Police Scanner Where However They Talk To Each Other I I To Section Her Remember That And She Participated In That Process Over 25 Times At That Point And The Question Is So If You Respond And You Don't Feel The Person Is Suicidal But They Made A Statement About Self-Harm You Have To Take To The Hospital No Matter What And The Answer Is Yes Did That Incident Lead To A Report Yes And Any Police Officer In Your Department Yes Which Means Farwell Would Have Access To That I Would Love To See Their Text Messages Around That Time Of May Of 2020 [00:51:03] Speaker 4: Hmm [00:51:06] Speaker 2: Right What Were Her Conversations With Farwell Like In May Of 2020 Hmm Also Interesting That He Didn't Respond Isn't And She Goes On To Ask And The Defendant Was A Police Officer In Your Department At The Time Answer Yes Did You Encounter Sandra After That Yes Was She Ever Suicidal Again No Did You Run Into Her Again And She Says Yes I Saw At A Walgreens Parking Lot She Ran Up To Me In About The Fall Of 2020 And Told Me She Was Happy She Was So Excited To Have Joined A New Volleyball Team And She Was Working As A Teacher's Aid In Sharon Public Schools Shout Out To Sharon She Was Really Upbeat And Easy Going She Was So Excited To Talk About All The Things She Had Going On In Her Life I I Just Remember Feeling So Proud Of Her Isn't Heather The Mentor That Every Little Girl Needs She Told you She Got A Job In Stoughton Public School I'm Sorry Sharon Public Schools Yes She Told me She Always Wanted To Work With Children She Loved Them She Was So Excited Sandra Came To My House When I Had My Child And Sandra Adored My Son And Loved Being Around Him Did Sandra Talk About Wanting To Be A Mom Herself Yes Sandra Talked To Me About That Multiple Times Sandra Mentioned A New Apartment As Well Yes Sandra Mentioned Her New Apartment And She Mentioned She Had A New Cat Sandra Mentioned She Loved This New Responsibility I Mean For So Many Kids Our Age That Would Have Been So Scary Getting Your Did You Learn Later That She Died Yes All Right Well She Would Have Been Actually She Would Have Been She Was 23 When She Died She Would Have Been Around 23 At This Point 20 I Forget Her Date Of Birth 22 Or 23 So Not 18 Withdrawn Did You See Her Again No So The Last Time She Was In The Fall Of 2020 Remember Her Death Was February 1st 2021 Did You Learn Later That She Died Yes A Group Of Stoughton Police Officers Had A Group Text For Female Cops I Bet You There Were Like Maybe Three Of Them Three Female Cops In Stoughton We Were Chatting And Someone Told Me Sandra Died By Taking Her Own Life I Was Shocked I Couldn't Believe It Objection Says The Defense Overruled Says The Judge Did Sandra Would Take Her Life Because She Wouldn't Do That If She Was Pregnant At Any Point Before Miss Birchmoor Died Did She Tell You She Was In A Sexual Relationship With The Defendant Thank You Emily May 13 1997 Okay So That That's Interesting Because The Wellness Check Was The Day After Her Birthday The Day After Her 23rd Birthday [00:54:18] Speaker 1: Hmm [00:54:21] Speaker 2: And That's When She Was Told That They Were Going To Sell The House At Any Point Before Miss Birchmoor Died Did She Tell You She Was In A Sexual Relationship With The Defendant No She Did Not Tell Me If She Told You In 2013 That She Was Having A Sexual Relationship With The Defendant What Would You Have Done She Says Why Because It's A Crime If Sandra Told You That In 2021 She Slept With The Defendant In 2015 What Would You Have Done Objection That One Is Sustained May I Be Heard Your Honor Says The AUSA No Next Question Counsel So That's Interesting This Judge And I've Not That Throughout Today's Testimony Has Been Not Allowing Them To Come To Sidebar It Says No Is An Answer No The DOJ Is About To Show The Okay So Then They Show A Video Of Sandra Coming Inside After Cleaning Her Car Of Snow The Night Of Her Murder Or The Day Of Her Murder Then There's A Video Farwell Arriving Into Sandra's Apartment Building Lobby Where The Only Camera Is After 9pm That Night And Heather Has Asked Who Is The Person In That Video And She Says Matthew Farwell What If Anything Did You Notice That The Defendant Had On His Face A Hospital Mask Did You Work Alongside This Is Very Important Testimony Right Here Ready Did You Work Alongside The Defendant During The C-19 Pandemic Yes Yes She Says And The Police Department The Police Station Took Certain Measures During That Time People Had To Wear Masks Did The Defendant Wear Masks When He Was Required To Do So Answer Never You Indicated You Never Saw Him Wear A Mask Correct Did He Make Any Statements About His Attitude For Mask Wearing Farwell Said He Didn't Care About C-19 Or Wearing A Mask No Further Questions Way To End On A Bang Because Remember In Its Opening The Defense Said He Was Having An Affair He Never Wore Them And He Didn't Wear Them With The Three Other Women Who He Had Affairs With Farwell Lawyer Is Up On Cross You Were Previously A Corrections Officer Yes And Six Other Officers Were Sworn In With You After The Academy No Please Talk Among yourselves For A Second That's Emily C is Here She Was In Court Today She Says I Can't Even Imagine More Hateable Defendant As A Jurer Hateable And Hateful Both Both Of The Things You Can't Make This Up Thanks Five Says You Have To You Have Some Great Boots On The Ground For This Trial The Show You Did With Grant Was Another One You Have To Watch Twice Thank [00:58:06] Speaker ?: You [00:58:06] Speaker 2: LNP Says That CNN Put Out A Headline Saying Sandra Was His Young Lover Just Gross Yeah That Was A Couple Days Ago Right And We We Spoke About That Yesterday And That Is Absolutely Disgusting His Young Lover Gross He's A Predator I Don't Really See Any Way Around That But CNN Be CNN And Lisa Became A New Member JD Character Girl Been Here For 30 Month Says I Went On A Christian Camp Age 13 Too Common Sharing Sharon Is Also Here She's The President The Unofficial President Of The Rage Crochet Club And She Says Scary Alone So Young I Finished College Without A Mom I'm So Sorry I'm So Sorry Okay This Is A Deep Thread So Give Me A Second To Scroll Down To Where I Just Was The Rest Of The Stuff I [00:59:06] Speaker ?: Talk [00:59:08] Speaker 1: Amongst [00:59:21] Speaker 5: Two Selves [00:59:22] Speaker 2: All right We're On Cross Right Now Cross Of Police Officer Heather Cheever Of Stoughton PD The Mentor To Sandra Okay Okay I'm Gonna Start From The Top Since I Lost My Spot Cross You Were Corrections Officer Yes And Six Other Officers Were Sworn In With You At The Academy Yes All Seven Of You Were From Stoughton Yes Did You Know Sandra Birchmore Before Joining The Department No And You Started In 2013 Yes And Sandra Was Born In 1997 Around There Yes I Don't Know Her Exact Birthday And You Worked The Overnight At Stoughton PD Yes Midnight To Eight Yes And Sandra Was Still In High School Yes How Long Did You Interact With Sandra From Midnight Midnight Shift Until Sandra Was 19 Yes You Told The FBI That Ms. Birchmore Was Part Of The Mass State Police Student Trooper Program And She Says No I Compared The Police Explorers Program To That Program I Had Attended The MSP Program When I Was A Kid Okay Were You Part Of The Stoughton Police Explorers Program No I Don't Know I Wonder How Many Women Instructors From The Police Explorers Program Yes The Students Came In And Out Of The Station Quite Often Were You Seeing These Kids During The Overnight Shift No But I Would Be In The Station At Other Times Your First Interaction With Sandra Was When She Made A Phone Call About A Friend Of Hers Who Was Going To Get Jumped She Says No I Was Introduced To Her Before That Who Did You Don't Remember When You First Met Sandra I Do Remember It Was During The First Summer After I Graduated From The Academy You Told The FBI That It Was When You Were Working Overnights At That Time Yes But I Was Also Doing Field Training During The Day Who Was Chief At That Time And I Don't Know If This Name Is Pronounced Is Spelled Right But Her Answer H-A-T-E-S-T-Y Paul Shatesti Donna McInamara Was What At The Time Patrol Sergeant How Much Older Were You Than Sandra Birchmore When You First Met Her She Says About 15 Years Older When Did You Start Facebook Messaging Her She Sent Me A Facebook Friend Request Sometime Within A Year Of Me Meeting Her And Then She Messaged Me Hi Elizabeth How Can We Push This Out To Be Seen By More Of The World Share It On Your Facebook Share It On Your Facebook Share It On Your Instagram Share It Anywhere You Can Any Social Media That You're On Thank You For Asking Did You Tell The FBI That She Sent Facebook Requests To Other People No When You First Met Sandra She Was Living On Park Street Yes And She Was Struggling Emotionally No The Only Time I Said She Was Struggling Was When Her Mom Was Sick And Eventually Passed Away Was That When Sandra Lived On Park Street Yes What Was Sandra's Grandmother's Name I Don't Recall It's Been Over A Decade What Was Her Mom's First Name I Don't Recall Right This Minute Sandra Had Another Aunt Who Passed Away As Well Yes Her Name I Don't Recall Oh I Guess Trying To Show That This That Heather Didn't Really Know Her Very Well Because She Can't Remember The Name Of Her Mother And Her Grandmother And Her Aunt Who Passed Away So Therefore She Must Not Be A Very Good Judge Of What Was Going On In Sandra Life How Old Was Sandra I Just Remember It Being After Sandra Graduated Did You Attend Sandra's Graduation No Did You Attend Any Parties For Her No Did You Buy Her A Gift No Again Trying To Show That They Weren't Really That Close Because If You Were That Close With Sandra You Would Have Went To High School Graduation You Would Have Bought Her Gift In March Of 2016 Sandra Called You Matthew Farwell Began At Stoughton PD About A Year Before You She Says I Don't Know Exactly But He Was There Oh Yeah You're Right Maybe I Should Put A Banner Hold On I'll Put Up A Banner Of Who We're Talking About Or Whose Testimony We're Recanting Recounting Police Officer Heather Cheever I'm Going To Time Sam Everything For You Later But For Those Of You Or Listening Live I Think That Would Be Very Help Full I'm Just Going To Call Her Sandra Mentor She's Stoaping So She's Also She's A Coworker Of Farwell This [01:05:15] Speaker ?: Is [01:05:15] Speaker 2: Still Cross Matthew Farwell Began At Stoughton PD About A Year Before You I Don't Know Exactly But He Was There Williams Farwell Started After You Started Working There Yes Remember William Farwell Is Matthew Farwell's Twin Brother Were You Friends With William Farwell's Wife's Brother Peter Yes I Recall Him Being In A Circle Of Friends I Attended With In High School I Was Not Friends Directly With Peter And William Farwell Would Message You Objection Overruled You Said If You Learned Sandra Was Having A Relationship You Would Have Report With William Farwell Wait Hold On A Second Okay So The Question Is You Said If You Learned Sandra Was Having A Relationship With Sandra You Would Have Reported It I Don't Know If Great Wrote That Wrong Or If That She Really Said Yes William Farwell And Then Somebody Says Objection May We Be Heard Yes On This Council You Can Be Heard So There Was A Sidebar There Were Co-workers Since 2013 Yes Correct Oh Please [01:06:25] Speaker 4: At [01:06:41] Speaker 2: Which Point There Is A Sidebar And Then They Come Back And Continue Across You Didn't Have A Relationship With Matthew Farwell And His Wife Correct Did You Tell The FBI His Wife Is An Accountant At A Big Firm In Boston She Says I Told Them She Had Some Kind Of Job At A Big Financial Firm Yes I Never Met Her Did Anyone Ever Ask You To Keep Sandra Birchmore In Check I Don't Know What That Means Did Anyone Say Those Exact Words Someone Asked Me To Talk To Sandra Because That Person Was Angry But I Refused To Do So That's Interesting And That Person Was Not Matthew Farwell Answer No Did You Preserve Preserve Your Communications With William Farwell Objection Sustained Who Who [01:07:53] Speaker ?: Who [01:07:53] Speaker 2: Was On The Text Thread With The Other Female Officers Jennifer Sullivan Shannon Isabel Sandra Barrett Oh Okay So There Were Only Three Other Women Coffs And Stoughton So She's The Fourth I Don't Know How How Many Are On The Force The Force Stoughton Shannon Isabel Was The School Resource Officer When Sandra Was A Student There Yes And You Learned Of Sandra Birchmore Death On February 4th On That Thread Yes I Don't I Don't Know Where Mrs. Farwell Worked I Didn't Know I Have No Idea I Know You Guys Are Armchair Detectives Though And Shannon Isabel Responded To Sandra's Death At The Scene And She Said No That Was In Canton So How Was Stoughton Involved In The Wellness Check Sandra's School Reached Out And The Address They Had On File Was In Stoughton Sandra So The Well Being Check Went To Canton PD Did You Tell Anyone Sandra's New Address She Says I Didn't Know It So No Who Reported Sandra's Death To You She Says I Believe It Was Jennifer Sullivan She Was Working Dispatch That Day These Cops Talk They Talk Everybody Knows Everything That Is Going On Do You Still Have That Text Thread She Says We Stopped Communicating On That Thread Years Ago I Don't Even Have That Phone We All Left That Chat Group Years Ago You Told The FBI You Didn't Like The Amount Of Gossip And The Stoughton PD About Sandra She Says Yes I Told Them I Was Upset In General About Her Death And That I Didn't Want To Hear About It You Said On Direct That Because You Didn't Hear From Sandra As Such You Assume She Was Doing Better She Said Yes I Was A Mentor To Her So When She Needed Guidance She Would Reach Out More Did Sandra Ever Share With You Her Prior S Attempt Objection The Defense Obviously Is That Sandra Did This To Herself Is That She Had One Attempt Earlier And They're Talking About This Wellness Check Where She Threatened Again To Do It And She Was Unstable And He Didn't Do It She Did It To Herself [01:10:30] Speaker 4: Right [01:10:37] Speaker 2: Did You Know Sandra Was Pregnant No She Told 85 People She Was Pregnant Did You Know That Including Strangers She Says I Didn't Know That So I Don't Know Also You Weren't Really As Close To Sandra As You Think You Were She Didn't Even Tell You That She Was Pregnant The Last Time You Spoke To Sandra Was November 11th 2020 I Believe So She Asked Me If I Wanted A Coffee Anything After That Yes When I Ran Into Her In Walgreens Sometime Late Fall Of 2020 And She Told You She Was Getting A New Apartment No She Told Me Her Life Was Going Very Well That She Had A New Apartment That She Was Working In Sharon Public Schools And She Her Oh I Don't Recall So They're Another Issue And Thing That They Brought I Think They Also Brought It Up In Their Opening Remind Me I I Mean Correct Me If I Wrong That Her Aunt Told Her To Take Her Own Life Or Harm Herself At One Point You Were Present For The May 2020 Wellness Check Yes Your Name Is Not In Any Of The Police Reports She Says I Don't Know I Didn't Do The Report Officer Gallagher Or Hansler Would Have Done The Report Okay Is That Officer Paul Gallagher From Canton PD Oh The Plot Thickens Just Another Witness From The Karen Reid Case The Guy Who Told Sean Goody To Shoot Back To His House And Get A Leaf Blower And Come On Back And Collected The Solo Cups From Acting Chief Or Deputy Chief Tom Kelleher Who Lived Right Across The Street From 34 Fairview And Gave Them The Solo Cups To Collect The Blood But Didn't Come Out And That Was Almost One Year To The Day After The Murder Of Sandra Birchmore So Crazy Isn't It So Crazy Do You Think That's What It Was Officer Gallagher Is There More Than One Officer Gallagher At Canton PD Huh Was That In Can Wait When She Lived With Her Aunt Because This Was When She Lived With Her Aunt That Was In Canton I Could Be Wrong Maybe It Wasn't The Same Wait No He Did Say That Went To Canton Hold [01:13:14] Speaker ?: On [01:13:14] Speaker 2: I Don't Know My Head Is So Congested It Hard For Me Does Does He Have A Twin Also Gallagher That's A Good Point I Don't Know I Don't Know Why My Name Is Not In Any Of The Reports I Didn't Do The Report Officer Gallagher Or Hansler Would Have Done The Report Sandra Refused To Speak To Officer Gallagher And Insisted On Speaking To Hansler She Says I Don't Recall That But It Happens Sometimes On Calls Yes Why Would Why Would She Refuse To Talk To Gallagher Okay It's Not That Gallagher It's Colby Gallagher So The Aunt Was Stoughton PD So Colby Is It Related To Paul Gallagher Okay Good I'm Glad We're Clarifying This Why Would Gallagher Leave Her Off The Police Report If She's Also An Officer At Stone That's Interesting I Don't Know Just Things That Make You Go Thank You Friend And Dog For Giving Ten Memberships Because You're So Amazing And Beautiful And Gorgeous And Thank You So Much You're So Kind Really Spam Call In The Middle Of My When You Arrived Officers Were On The Scene Yes When I Arrived Sandra Was Grateful To See Me And The Officers Were There Did You Hear Multiple Statements About Self Harm That Day No I Didn't Hear Anything About That She Said Nothing In My Presence And The Call Said Nothing About Multiple Statements Did You Know When Officers Arrived Sandra Was Walking Down The Street She Says I Only Know That When I Arrived She Was In The Kitchen And Grant Says There Was A Very Loud Banging Coming From Somewhere Above The Court Room A Bunch Of Questions Struck Due To Objections They Were About Sandra And Past Self Harm I Guess None Of That Stuff Is Coming In You Had Mental Health Training Yes It Covered Taking Of People's Own Lives And It Was Related To Critical Incident Response In The Context Of Mental Health It Was At The Bridgewater Police Station There Was Training Within Our Department And Then The Question Is What Are The Signs Of S Someone Saying They Want To Harm Themselves So A Threat Of Self Harm Is One Sign Yes As Far As You Did Sandra Birchmore Ever Make Those Kind Of Statements Yes That Day Sandra Said She Was Angry And Said Had Said It To Her Aunt But Sandra Never Said Those Words To Me What's Another Sign Actual Self Harm And You're Not Aware Of Sandra Ever Engaging In Actual Self Harm Correct What Are Other Signs A Traumatic Life Event Right Mr. Crowley Says OMG She WTF With This Defense Right I What Are Other Signs A Traumatic Life Event Objection Sustained Due To Defense Council Commentary What About History Of Mental Illness Yes Were You Aware Of Sandra's Mental Illness No Did You Speak To Her Therapist She Said No That Would Be Incredibly Inappropriate Did You Yes She Mentioned That After Her Mom Died Did You Interact With Sandra Birchmore When She Was Pregnant No And You Assumed Everything Was Good Because You Didn't Hear From Her Yes Because I Saw Her At Walgreens And She Was Happy And Excited Canton PD Is Only Four Miles From Stoughton PD Hi Be In Trouble 31 I Hope You're Doing Well Canton And Stoughton Border Devin Says Game Over Farwell Where Did Sandra Spend Thanksgiving I Don't Know When Did Where Did Sandra It Says When But I Think Where Did Sandra Spend Christmas I Don't Know Did You Reach Out To Wish Her Merry Christmas No Did She Reach Out To Wish You To Wish You A Merry Christmas I Don't Recall No Did You Tell The FBI That After Your Son Was Born Sandra Birchmore Began To Feel Like A Lot She Says I I Said I Was A New Mother Who Was Trying To Balance Work And Home Life And So Everything Felt Like A Lot During That Time So Without Putting Words In Your Mouth You Told The FBI Sandra Felt Like A Lot If I Said That It Was In Context Of Me Being A New Mother And Sandra Sending A Lot Of Text While I Was Nursing My Newborn As I Said Everything Felt Like A Lot You Told The FBI That You Responded To Five S's During Your Time With Stoughton PD Yes And Two Were Hangings Yes Did You Cut Them Down One Of Them Yes Oh My God Can You Imagine As A Young Officer Cutting Down Hanging Did You Interact With Any Of The Family Or Friends Of Those People Who Had Taken Their Lives No I Was Not A Detective At That Time Has Anyone In Your Own Personal Life Taken Their Own Life Objection Sustained You Told The FBI That Your Impression Of Sandra Birchmore Is That She Wanted A Hug From The World Do You Recall Saying That Yes And You Said Sandra Is Reaching Out To Law Enforcement Was Her Way Of Looking For Meaning Yes Everybody Wants To Matter I Love This Witness And I Can't Even See This Witness Testify On Camera And I Love This Witness So Much She Scrolling Along The Bottom Of Your Screen Stoughton Police Officer Heather Cheever Everyone You Knew Sandra Birchmore From 2015 Until 2021 And You Said You Thought You Knew Her Very Well I Did I Thought We Had A Good Relationship With Her And You Said If You Thought Sandra Birchmore Was Having An Inappropriate Relationship With Someone At The Stoughton PD You Would Report It Yes You Heared A Rumor That Sandra Was Sleeping With Another Stoughton Police Officer Oh Here They Go Here They Go They're Gonna Do It's The Old Sandra Birchmore Was A Slut Theory Here You Go This Is What They Do Yes After Her Death I Learned That After Her Death I Learned That What Follow Up Did You Do It Was A Rumor Maybe That Was William Farwell Maybe That Was William Farwell The Twin Brother Because We Do Know That She Did Have A Relationship With William Also We Also Have Learned Since The Father Of The Child Was Carrying Was Not William Farwell It Was Her Army Recruiter Jason Picard He Is On The Witness List Too Right Law Team's Most Hated Mod Says The Defense Has Had Only One Play And That To Shame Her Period Yep Blame The Victim Just Blame The Victim Blame The Victim She Was A Child Did You Go to San Angeles Memorial Service No You Said You Worked With The CPAC Unit Oh Now He Going To Shame Her For Not Going To The Memorial Service You Said You Worked With The CPAC Unit It's Actually Been Called The SPD Unit For A Decade Right SPDU For A Decade Right She Says We Call It CPAC At The Station And You Worked With CPAC To Investigate Things You Worked With CPAC To Investigate Things Yes A Call Comes In And Every Unattended Death In The State The MSP Must Be Notified So We Do That And Personal Information About The Parties Yes Name And Date Of Birth And The Address Would It Be Appropriate For A Stoughton Cop To Talk To MSP About Sandra's Mental Health She Says Well This Death Occurred In Canton Would It Be Appropriate For MSP Investigators To Reach Out To People From The Town Of Stoughton It Would Be Appropriate To Pursue All Relevant Avenues How Many Section 12 Have You Responded To More Than 15 In My 13 Years About One Per Year Roughly Maybe More Is It Your Testimony That When You Arrived At A Scene And Determined Someone Is Not Going To Hurt Themselves You Still Send Them To The Hospital Yes The State Mandates We Do So In Some Cases Did You Go With Sandra To The Hospital No But I Know She Went To Good Sam Remember Good Sam Also Same Place John O'Keefe Was Taken To When His Body Was Found Also Same Place That Karen Reed Was Attempted To Be Sectioned Did You Follow Up With Sandra The Next Day This Was When She Was Sectioned After Or They Tried To Section Her After The Wellness Check Which Was Sandra The Next Day I Forget Which Day But Yes Did Sandra Reach Out To You That Day Not That Specific Day No And Did You Have Contact With Sandra Burtmore While She Was In Basic Training Not Directly I Talked To Her Aunt Darlene At One Point There Was A Phone Call Where I Spoke To Sandra With Her Aunt On The Phone Did You Talk To Sandra After She Left Basic Training I Don't Recall Where Did You Learn She Left The Army Due To Shellfish Allergy Sandra Told Me After She Had Come Home That She Didn't Disclose That During The Enlistment Process She Also Had Asthma And That Was Discovered During The Enlistment Process You Saying It Was The Army Fault Objection Sustained Really You're Saying It Was The Army's Fault Um Did Sandra When You Saw Her In The Walgreens Parking Lot Tell You That She Had Been Rejected From Her Nursing School Program Objection Sustained Counsel Scope You Said That You Haven't Received Any You Haven't Reviewed Any Police Reports As To Visits To Sandra Birchmore Home At Some Point I Reviewed The Log At The Time Of The Incidence But Not In Preparation For This Trial Did You Review Every Police Report One Second You Didn't When You Met The DOJ And FBI Review All Those Police Reports I Don't Know What You You Met With The FBI Yes Yes To Prepare Your Testimony Yes To Prepare Answers You Might Give To Preview Answers Not Coaching But Yes Did You Review Every Police Report From Stoughton About Sandra Birchmore No No They Did Not Pull Out The Reports They Asked Me Questions And I Answered Nothing Further And Then This Is The Brief Redirect The AUSA Gets Up Now And Says You Said On Cross That Sandra Would Reach Out When She Was In Distress Yes And Your Testimony Is That She Wasn't Distressed On May 14 Of 2020 Yes Did The CPAC Unit Ever Interview You Or Your Colleagues No No MSP In Investigating The Murder Of Sandra Birchmore Even The Death Of Sandra Birchmore Never Interviewed Her Or Any Of Her Colleagues At Stone PD Did Anyone Ask You About Your Messages About Sandra For Two To Three Years After Sandra Died No Again Pointing Out The Shoddy To Zero Investigation Done Into The Murder Of A Girl That Nobody Thought Anybody Would Care About Who Was The First Agency To Ask You About Sandra Birchmore Death The FBI They Are Allowed To Talk About The FBI In This Trial Morning Break They Break For 20 Minutes Still On Redirect DOJ Begins You Said You Believe Miss Birchmore Just Wanted To Matter To Someone [01:26:01] Speaker 5: Yes [01:26:03] Speaker 2: And When You Saw Her At The Police Station She Wanted A Big Hug Yes And Those Characteristics Made Sandra Particularly Vulnerable Didn't It Objection Sustained You Send Floods Of Messages One After Another And It Was Hard To Keep Up If Your Mind Has Started To Wander Come Back To Me Come Back To Me Did Sandra Have A Prom Yes When She Graduated Would Anything In The Police Explorers Program Require An Instructor To Spend A Prom Night With A Student No Break For A Second Are We Gonna Hear Evidence That She Spent Her Prom Night With Matthew Farwell I Think I Just Threw Up A Little In My Mouth Did Sandra Send You A Facebook Friend Request Yes After Ms. Birchmore Left The Military Did She Kill Herself No After Her Family Member Side No Now Recross You Said It's Okay To Accept But Not Send A Friend Request On Facebook Yes It's Not A Department Policy It's My Position Sending A Friend Request In That Situation Would Be In Appropriate It's Not Appropriate To Send A 15 Year Old Girl A Friend Request Or A 15 Year Old You Saw Sandra Was Facebook Friends With Stoughton Police Officer Robert Devine Didn't You I Don't Recall Who She Was Facebook Friends With And I Don't Recall A Facebook Profile Named Robert Devine Did You Know Robert Devine Was On Facebook I Don't Know And Then Grant Puts In Parentheses That Devine Used An Account Called Martin Riggs Nothing Further The Witnesses Excused And May Be Recalled By The Defense That Was The Testimony Of Heather Cheever And Grant Did An Amazing Job I I'm Sure It's Not Every Single Question That Was Asked On Direct And Cross But It Was A Pretty Damn Good Recounting In Real Time How Many Of You Were Refreshing His Feed All Day Long Just Waiting For The Next Question I Mean It It's It's It's Annoying Not To Get Cameras In The Court Room But I'm Feeling Like We're Still Getting A Really Good Picture Of What's Going On In There And That's Why I Feel Like Daily Recaps Are Going To Be Necessary Because There's So Much Information Mom To Nick And Allie Says I Was Doing It All Day Yeah Becky Says I Got A Lump In My Throat When I Think About Divine Out There In The Wild With A BBO Card That's Correct He's Now A Lawyer He's Now A Lawyer Yes It Was Marty Riggs Right Marty Riggs Time For A New Banner Please Um [01:29:40] Speaker ?: Um Um [01:29:55] Speaker 1: Second According to [01:30:12] Speaker 2: Emily C's Notebook Martha Coakley Was In The Court Room All Day Remember Martha Coakley Was The Former Former What Was Her Former Position Attorney General Massachusetts And She Was Also On The Defense Team For Kelsey Tittsimmons East Elementary Next Witness To Take The Stand Is Michelle Carlson She Is The Assistant Principal At East Elementary School In Sharon Massachusetts She Hired Sandra Birchmore Let's Um Let's Go to Emily C's Notes For This One Shall We Shout out To Emily C On All Platforms Isn't This The Greatest Handwriting You've Ever Seen In Your Entire Life Or Is It Just Me It Might Be Just Me But I Love It So Much I Love It So Much I Don't Know If [01:31:43] Speaker ?: I [01:31:43] Speaker 2: Can Even Make It Any Bigger For You Hang On That's Kind Of Like A Weird Orientation So I'm Going To Read It To You Thank You Emily C For Doing The Lord's Work This Witness Is Michelle Carlson East Elementary School Assistant Principal And SPED Special Education And Sharon Sandra Birchmore Was Assigned To One Third Grader So She Interviewed With Michelle Carlson And She Was Asked About Her Interview With Sandra And She Said So The School Is From What What Grades Is The School Hold On I'm Going To Put Emily's Notes Up But I'm Going To Read Other Notes Too So I'm Trying To Call Them All Together So At The Time 2020 To 2021 She Was Working For East Elementary School In Sharon Massachusetts She Was The Assistant Principal And Special Education Coordinator And Her Job Was Hiring The Support Staff Speaking With Parents And Other Things And That's How She Met Sandra Birchmore She Hired Sandra As An Instructional Assistant That Is A Person Who Works Close To A Student Or Students And Sandra Was Assigned To One Student Who Was A Third Grader And She Helped Him In School Sandra Applied For That Job At The Start Of The School Year In 2020 Via Zoom And She Was Interviewed By This Witness Michelle Carlson For About 30 Minutes And She Was Asked What Was Your First Impression Of Her Objection Overruled And She Said She Was Very Sweet She Talked About Her Background And What Brought Her There That Day Sandra Had Substituted In Stoughton Public Schools For A Little Bit She Also Mentioned Her [01:34:02] Speaker ?: In [01:34:02] Speaker 2: In The Stoughton Police Explorers Program She Had Initially Gone To College For Criminal Justice And She Was Pivoting From That She Was Slight Of Stature And She Felt She Wasn't Physically Able To Be A Police Officer She Was Considering Nursing Or Working With Children Did [01:34:27] Speaker ?: Did [01:34:27] Speaker 2: She Provide You With A List Of References Yes Oh Emily's Notes Say That Money Was An Issue For Sandra Also That She Was Pivoting From Criminal Justice Because Money Was An Issue And One Of The References That She Provided Was Her Mental Health Counselor She Told Her She Had Went To Counseling When Her Mother And Grandmother Died And She Had Continued With The Counselor Since Then And She Felt As If Her Counselor Knew Her Very Well Did You Follow Up With The References And The Miss Carlson Says Our Principal Carlson Says I Did You Hire Miss Birchmore For That School Year And The Answer Is Yes From September Of 2020 And She Was Supposed To Work Through June Of 2021 What Had Happened Was These Are My Notes Now She Was Taken From This Mortal Coil By A Monster So Right Now I'm Using Emily's Notes And Grant's Notes We're Getting It Done And Then They Talked About The Schedule Of The C19 You Can't Really Write That Word In The Chat Because YouTube Hates It The Schedule Was Cohort One Cohort Two Cohort One Was Monday Tuesday Thursday Friday Was Cohort Two And Wednesday Both Cohort Oh My God I Remember That Cohort Life That Was Horrible Absolutely Horrible Sandra Sandra Had A Student Who Was There Four Days In Person Because Of His IEP School Hours Were 8.50 Until 3.15 PM She Would Interact With Sandra Almost Every Day And Her Roles Were Helping Her Student And Substituting While People Were Out Sick It Also Came Out That Sandra Birchmore Used Her Phone A Lot During Work And This Witness Said I Spoke To Her About Her Phone Use During Work And She Got Instructive Feedback And She Received The Feedback Well She Said That Sandra Called In Sick More Often Than I Cared For But She Did Follow Protocol She Would Email When She Would Be Out When Asked Did She Move Into A New Apartment She Said Yes She Was Excited And She Told Me That She Told Me She Had Cats She Was Excited To Care For Thank You Emily Also She Had Used Her Counselor As A Reference Before And Chance NP Is Saying Martin Riggs Is The Name Of Mel Gibson Character In The Lethal Weapon Movies Yes The Holiday Break In December Of 2020 Was A Few Days Before Christmas Until A Few Days After New Year's And Before The Break She Spoke To Sandra And Sandra Told This Witness That She Was Pregnant Where Was That In My Office What Was Her Demeanor She Was Very Excited When I Spoke To Her I Saw Her Walking In Because She Parked Right Outside My Office She Was Really Looking Excited And Rushed Right Into My Office That Day Her Affect Was One Of Excitement What Did You Say Knowing She Was A Single Young Woman I Said Is This A Good Thing And She Said Yes Did They Tell You Anything I'm Sorry Did She Tell You Anything About Paternity And This Assistant Principal Says Yes She Told Me It Was A Married Man And That He Was Going To Leave His Wife When Sandra Baby Was Born [01:38:37] Speaker 5: Sandra Told Her [01:38:48] Speaker 2: What What [01:38:56] Speaker ?: What [01:38:56] Speaker 2: Happened Then I Asked Sandra What Would Happen If It Didn't Work Out What Did Sandra Say She Said No I Want This To Work Out And I It Will Work Out And I Want To Love My Baby Emily C Has A Heart Doodle And She Says Sandra Birchmore Wanted A Baby To Have Someone To Love And Then She Says Or The Question Was Did You Talk To Sandra About Borrowing Some Money From A Coworker Yes How Did She React She Said Okay I Won't Do That Anymore She Received The Feedback Well According To Emily's Notes And She Told Everyone She Was Pregnant What Was Her Demeanor When She Returned To Work In Early January She Was The Same As She Was But She Started Drinking Water All The Time She Was Happy Personable But She Always Had A Water Bottle In Her Hand After She Told Me She Was Pregnant Who Else At School Did She Tell About Her Pregnancy And Here's Emily's Notes Told Everybody Oh There We Go She Told The Students Staff Everybody That She Was Pregnant Did You Share Your Concerns About Her Telling Students Remember These Kids Are Like Third Grade Yes I Told Her It Was Too Much Information For Third Graders Was Sandra An Oversharer Yes She Was Was Sandra Receptive To Your Feedback Yes She Was In January Of 2021 Did She Tell You Anything About Her Child's Father Yes It Seemed There Was An Argument And Something Wasn't Going Well Between Them Sandra Commented That She Was Having The Baby No Matter What And She Was Already Purchasing Baby Clothes I Mean I Don't Have To Remind You But Go Follow Emily C On All Things Social I Think Emily Is S E E On Some Things She Is From Canton She Is Got A Special Interest In These Cases In 2021 As You Continued To See Miss Birchmore Was She Excited About Her Baby Yes She Asked Me For Time Off To Get An Ultrasound When Was The Last Time You Saw Sandra Last Time I Saw Her Was Monday February 1st 2021 It Was A Half A Day Due To Snow Coming A Half Day As Judge Canone Used To Say She Saw Nothing Unusual About Sandra That Day At Dismissal Did You See Sandra On The Second Of The Third No We Had A Snow Day On The Second And Sandra Did Not Log Into The Zoom On February 3rd And Then It Says Emailed Emily's Notes Say Emailed So I'm Assuming Maybe The Assistant Principal Emailed Her Because Grant Doesn't Say That I Don't Think He Does Does School Resume In Person On February 4th No I'm Sorry He Does No We Had A Snow Day February 2nd And Sandra Did Not Log On To The Zoom On February 3rd Okay We Got That And Then It Says Emailed They Emailed Her To See Why She Didn't Log In And She Didn't Respond Thank You Thank You Emily This Is Why It's So Great That We So Many Of You In The Court Room So We Can Get A Little Bit Of Everything From Everybody So School Resumed In Person On February 4th And Sandra Was Not There So This Witness Miss Carlson Did A Wellness Check We Wanted A Wellness Check Because Sandra Did Not Answer Calls From The School Secretaries And So They Called And There Was No Answer After Initiating The Wellness Check Did Yes That Same Day A Few Hours Later We Were Told That Sandra Took Her Own Life How Did You React To That And She Says And Emily Wrote It Down Right Here It Didn't Make Sense To Me She Was So Excited About The Baby And It Certainly Didn't Fit In With What And It Didn't Fit In With What I Saw That Day Sandra Was So Determined To Have That Baby It Just Didn't Fit With Her Character The Next Day Did You Speak With Someone From The CPAC Unit Yes Did They Want You To Speak Did They Want To Speak With You Or Did You Want To Speak To Them She Says I Reached Out To Them This Is The Assistant Principal At The School I Reached Out To Them I Wanted To Share Some Of The Conversations I Had With Sandra The Conversation I Had With Her Counselor The Day Before I Called The Counselor Back When I Heard The News That Sandra Had Died So Remember She Had The Counselor's Number Because Of The Fact That She Listed Her As A Witness Not A Witness As A Reference On Her Job Application And Then There Is Nothing Further And Then Cross Starts And Emily Says Oh Emily I Can't Get Over Your Hand Writing They Should Make Your Font On Canva But She Says That Someone Kept Part Okay And Cross Exam She Says Sorry Sorry For The Extra Commentary And This Is Cross In 2020 And 2021 You Were The Vice President At East Elementary And Sharon Yes And Now You Work In Auburn Yes And You In Westboro And Boylston Before That Yes 11 And Six Years Respectively Did Sandra List A Heather Cheever As A Reference I Don't Recall She Listed Another Woman Another Woman Ms I Don't Know How To Pronounce This But Grant Is Spelling It A I G U I L L E This Was Her Therapist Yes And Did The Therapist Give You Any Information About Sandra's Mental Health History No I Don't Think So Whenever You Hire An Employee You Do A Background Check Yes Would That Find Mental Health Commitments No Was [01:46:09] Speaker ?: Was [01:46:09] Speaker 2: Was [01:46:09] Speaker ?: Was [01:46:09] Speaker 2: It The Practice Of Schools To Ask About That And She Says Schools Run Cori Checks Cori Checks Or Criminal Background Checks Sandra Over Shared With Her Students Yes Sandra Announced She Was Pregnant Before The Christmas Break Yes I Don't Remember The Exact Date How Far Along Was She I Don't Know But I Thought She Must Have Just Found Out Did She Tell The Staff Of The School The Father Was A Police Officer Yes Did Sandra Use Her Phone At Work Yes She Would Sometimes Use Her Phone While She Was Watching The Students In January Of 2021 You And Your Assistant Had A Sit Down With Miss Birchmore Yes Yes About Oversharing Was Sandra's Pay Doct At Some Point Because Her Absences The Principal's Name Is Scrolling Along The Bottom Of Your Screen It's The Assistant Principal Her Name Is Michelle Carlson Was Sandra's Pay Doct At Some Point Because Of Her Absences Okay At This Point Emily's Notes Say The Jurors Are Starting To Look Disinterested Yes The Staff Earn 1.8 Sick Days For Each Month They Work Sandra Accidentally Got Some Extra Days Two Additional Days It Was Just An Adjustment To The Pay When Did Sandra First Take Start Taking Sick Days In October Or So On January 21st You [01:47:57] Speaker ?: Sent [01:47:57] Speaker 2: An Effective Employee Employee She Was Very Caring With The Children But Maybe Not As Effective As I Would Have Liked Was She The Sickest Employee You Have Ever Had She Said No Did You Tell Your Coworkers That She Was Claiming To Be Pregnant I Used Language In The Email That Indicated Her Child's Father Did Not Want Her To Have The Baby And Then Grant's Notes Say Wow Why Would The Defense Bring That Out On Cross Well They Didn't Really Bring It Out If The Witness Just Blurted It Out Because The Question Was Did You Tell Your Coworkers That She Was Claiming To Be Pregnant Right Is It Appropriate For A Teacher Or One On One To Bring Paperwork Home Yes That Can Happen You You Said School Closed Early On The First Yes And Closed On The Second Yes What Did The School Do To Try And Miss Birchmore Who Notified You Have Miss Birchmore Passing The Principal Who Did He Speak With The School Resource Officer Mike Hawking Okay So Remember That Name Put A Pin In That Name Mike Hawking Grant's Note Says Weird Moment There As Some Voices Came Across The Court Speakers Unclear Where That Came From State Police Investigators Came To The School The Next Day Yes They Interviewed Various People At The School Yes Staff And Others How Many People Did They Interview I Don't Know We Sent Them From Person To Person At Least Six Okay Emily's Notes Say She Shared When She Was Pregnant When She Was Just Found Out She An Oversharer And Then She Was Asked Did You Say You Shouldn't Share So Soon And The Answer Was No She Was On Her Phone And Not Watching Her Students Or Student And The Witness Said No She Was On Her Phone And She Was Watching Her Student And So Carlson And The Principal Met With Sandra About Oversharing And Her Days Off And That's When Emily Says That The Jurors Were Starting To Look Disinterested Emily's Notes Also Says She Had Sent A Snarky Email About Sandra Sick Days But It Didn't Come In Though Right So On February Birth The School Contact Her Aunt And So Emily Says When She Was Asked If Sandra Was An Effective Employee She Said That's A Tough Question To Answer Not As Effective As I Wanted But She Was Very Caring With The Kids So She Says That The MSP Interviewed At Least Six People And This Is Still A Cross When He Spoke To Trooper Matthew Dunn He Took Notes Correct Yes Did You Tell Trooper Dunn That Miss Birchmore Told You That Baby Daddy Exact Words Used Was A Stoughton Police Detective And She Said The Principal Said That You Were The Principal Said The Baby Daddy Was Married With Two Kids That His Wife Was Pregnant And That If Farwell Put His Name On Sandra Baby Birth Certificate He Would Be Thrown Out Of The House Yes Wow I Mean They Had This Information The Same Day They Found Sandra's Body And They Did Nothing They Quickly Cleared Him In A Parking Lot Fanning Did John Fanning You Said On Direct That You Were Surprised To Hear Miss Birchmore Died By Taking Her Own Life Yes And It Was Because She Appeared Normal Yes Because She Appeared To Be Herself She Was In A Good Mood She Was Sweet Best Kind And In A Good Mood So Did Say You Didn't Know Sandra Very Well I Was Her Supervisor For Four Months Do You Know Sandra Spent Christmas Or Thanksgiving I Don't You Knew She Was Having Financial Problems Yes She Used The Money To Get Trinkets For The Kids In The Classroom Wow She Used Her Money To Get Trinkets For The Kids In The Classroom Emily's Notes Say On February 5th Okay So February 5th Was The Day That They Came To The School And They Interviewed The Principal The Nurse And Other Staff Like A Lunch Aid And They Knew All This Stuff About The Birth Certificate Etc Because The Principal Told Trooper Dunn It's Going To Be Interesting Because He Does Take The Stand Today But His Testimony Is Going To Continue Tomorrow Now I'm Curious To Know How Sandra Spent Her Thanksgiving And Christmas It Seems Like It's So Important To The Defense You Knew She Was Having Financial Problem Yes Problems She Used The Money To Get Trinkets For The Kids In The Classroom And Then Grant Says Oh That Breaks My Heart That's What Sandra Needed The $248 For The Day After You Talked To Trooper Dunn You E-mailed Him She Says It Was The Next Monday You First Met With The FBI In September Of 2024 When She Was Alone On Thanksgiving And Christmas Borderline Wants To Know If Matthew Farwell Was An Infective Employee That's A Great Question And Christine Says Or She Loved Her Job With Kids Because Kids Don't Judge And They Show Lots Of Love Cupcakes Hit The Like Button Says Renee Thanks Renee For The Reminder Oh Laura Said I Thought In Openings That She They Spent The Holidays Alone Yeah I Guess The Married Boyfriend Couldn't Sneak Away To Spend Any Part Of His Holidays With Her Lester Says She Spent Both Holidays Alone I Believe And The Defense Is Trying To Twist That To Say She Was So Depressed Unhappy Alone And That's Why She Took Her Life Janice Says It's Really Sad She's An Overshare Over Posting Because She Desperately Needed Attention I Mean She Didn't Have Anybody Left She Didn't Have A Mother She Never Knew Her Father She Didn't Have Her Mother Left Or Her Grandmother To Check In On Her To Care About Her Oh Thank You Family So You First Met With The FBI In September 2024 Yes In June Of 2024 You Joined The Facebook Group Justice For Sandra Birchmore Isn't That True Really They Love These Facebook Groups Yes Did You Know About The Contents Of That Page Before Talking To The FBI In September Of 2024 She Says I Really Didn't Read The Page To Begin With Nothing Further Redirect Up Jumps A USA So Emily's Got These Notes As Well This Looks Like It's Still On Cross Do You Know Anyone In Your Personal Life Who Has Taken Their Life Emily Says Ew Is It Sometimes A Shock And She Says I Need Emoji Stickers To Go With These Notes She Said She Tried To [01:56:33] Speaker ?: Tried To Tried To [01:56:33] Speaker 2: Stay Away From The Media To Not Interfere With Her Memory Yeah So She Then She Joined The Justice Sandra Birchmore Facebook Group But She Didn't Tell The FBI She [01:56:44] Speaker ?: She She She She She She She She She She [01:56:44] Speaker 2: Okay Let Just Go Back Here For A Second On Redirect AUSA Asks Oh It Was Objected To And Sustained Probably By Granted Include It Right So Has Anybody In Your Life Taken Their Life Objection Sustained Thank You Principal Carson Why Did You Join The Facebook Group Justice For Sandra Birchmore Objection Sustained You Were Asked Where Sandra Birchmore Spent Thanksgiving Did Sandra Birchmore Kill Herself Over Thanksgiving No What Was Her Affect Like When She Came Back From Thanksgiving Break She Came Back In A Good Mood What About Christmas Same Thing You Asked CPAC To Be Interviewed On February 5th True She Asked To Be Interviewed Yes I Myself Asked To Be Interviewed Who Was In The Interview The Principal The Nurse And Myself They Didn't Separate You No Of Course They Didn't Do They Ever If There's A Cop Involved No No No They Don't Did Other Staff Take Sick Days During The Panny Yes Way More Than Other Years Three Cross You Said The Other Staff Did Not Ask To Be Interviewed Yes Did Sandra Have The Most Sick Days Used Of Any Staff Member No Nothing Further Witness Is Done Thoughts Questions Comments Concerns Emily Thank You Yellow Let Better O Mima Michelle Says Thank You For Your Empathy While Covering Heartbreaking Cases Thank You For Appreciating It Thanks To Me Number 16 Months Troublemaker Baker Became A Member Welcome Kippy Hippy Says Finally A trial I Can Follow Again Thanks Mel Thank You Mimi Since 2018 Thank You For Your Ten I Appreciate You So Much Jesse Says Thanks For Your Great Reading And Analysis Thank [01:58:58] Speaker ?: You [01:58:58] Speaker 2: WV Country Thank You Grant And Emily C Separately For Literally Giving Sandra A Voice Thank You For Your Ten And For Watching Archie Says I Have A Feeling Doj Put Meg Kennedy Back On The List To Shut Carrie Lama Up [01:59:14] Speaker ?: That That [01:59:15] Speaker 2: That's Interesting Thanks Archie For Being In For 13 Months And Linda Says Linda Became A New Member Thanks Linda All right Next Up I Think I I Took Notes And Summarized For This One Because I Knew Those Two Were Going To Take A Long Time To Read All Their Testimony Oh Once Again I'm Asking For Your Help I'm Asking For Your Help For For In Case Any Of You Know The Actual Identities Of The People Who Run The Host Defendants Channel That Is Called I Don't Know What It's Called You Know Four Four And Seven Years Ago But There's Actually Five Of Them You Given Me Some Great Information On Some Of The People That Is Wild There's A Person Called Ginny Jams Who's Out There On That Show Does Anybody Know The Identity Of That Person Email Me My Show Notes In The Show Notes Below You Will Find My Email Address Julie Carpenter Lydia Carrie Llama Llama And That Tuesday Gizet Rounding It All Out I'll Do A Show On It Once I Find Out Everything That I Need To Know Feel Free To Email Me Fanbase At Mlittle Law Dot Com They've Been Trashing Me Since Since They Started And You Know I Guess We Should Know Who They Are Right They're Fake Names All Right Next Up Yeah I Don't Care What It's Called Really I Just Ginny It's Called Her Name Is Like Ginny Jams Or Something Ginny Jams None Of These People Live In Massachusetts Except For I Think Carrie Lama It's Called Something Like The Forensic Four Is The Name Of The Channel It's The Haas Defendants YouTube Channel That They Started To Get Everyone To Support Their Testify Dot Org The Only Thing They Don't Want To Do Is Testify And So That's Very Interesting Sonia Says From Australia What Did You Expect When Her First Sexual Experience Was A Crime Melanie I'm 50 Today Old Happy Birthday 50 And Today Old Happy Birthday Seeing The Pattern Of My Life Pleasing Men Who Desire Me Not Choosing Them I life again. I am so sorry that that happened to you. Jenny Jams, she was anti-Murdoch on that case with Julie Carpenter. Okay, interesting. Microdots is this garbage channel. No, but I think like if they're going to go around trashing us and others and they want to use their fake names and identities and then yet they go out and find everything about us that they can and dox us and our children and our families and our homes and post pictures and shit, and this has been an orchestrated campaign since the beginning, then we deserve to know who they are and where they come from and whether scrapbooking is one of their favorite hobbies and whether they call themselves a social media teacher, whether they live in Texas or Washington State, and whether two of them have the same last name as each other coincidentally, although I don't know if they're related. How would I know that? Because I don't really think anybody's ever done an expose on them, have they? Has anyone ever done an expose on those five women who have done, they've disparaged my looks all over the cesspool of Twitter, posting pictures of me and talking about how they think I'm not attractive enough for them. Have you seen these women? Nobody's done it. Nobody's done it. Oh, that's so interesting that nobody's done it. Huh. Okay. They've already done it, MicroDots. They just haven't done it as them. They've had other people do their dirty deeds. Dirt cheap. Yes. Shout out to MicroDots on his amazing, amazing video and timeline for Sandra Diversmore. Please go watch it. If you haven't, I will link it below if Richie says I can. And Richie's awesome. Social media teacher. I mean, how carefully did they call together that group of five women exactly? Tuesday Gazette. It's not your name, is it? Did you used to be a brunette? I have so many questions. MicroDots for the win. All right. So next up is Erin Porter. She is the property manager of Canton Woods Apartments, which is where Sandra lived. Let's go. This is Erin Porter. And that's where Sandra lived. Hang on. Okay. So Erin Porter takes the sand. She says that Sandra leased apartment number 3307. I think the rent was something like $1,516 a month, as I recall. She interacted with Sandra approximately five times. She seemed very sweet. She told her about her pregnancy in the leasing office. She was happy and excited. She was contacted by law enforcement on February 4th of 2021 to do a wellness check because her work had not heard from her. Sandra's work hadn't heard from her. She told law enforcement Sandra was pregnant, but she hadn't seen her in a few days. November 9th, Providence, Rhode Island. Dave Matthews Band. Enjoy. Are you going to go? So damn lucky. So damn lucky. She called Sandra's cell. There was no answer. She noticed Sandra's car had not been cleared of snow as the others were. Remember, there was a nor'easter. Notice how people seem to do their killings. People seem to do their killings in Massachusetts when the nor'easter is coming so that maybe the bodies won't be found for a couple days. So she went to Sandra's apartment with the spare key with a Canton police officer. He went in the apartment and she did not. It's always snowing. Because they know they're in chance of cleaning the scene. There is a chance of cleaning the scene. Got any carry in? So the officer went in. She did not. Did the officer come out of the apartment? Yes. And I told him I had a bad gut feeling and he nodded his head at me when he came out. And I took that as a confirmation of my bad gut feeling. It was kind of like unspoken. Once you returned there, did you talk to someone from the maintenance department? Ding, ding, ding, ding, ding. New Hampshire Katie says it's all Chad McKay. Once you returned there, did you talk to someone from the maintenance department? She says, yes, I talked with Carlos. We talked about reviewing footage from the security cameras. And Carlos is the one who would operate the software during that process. Then they showed the video of Sandra walking into her apartment after she cleared snow off of her car. It's the lobby area of building three at Canton Woods. It's just after 530 p.m. on February 1st, 2021. Someone would need a key fob or a code to enter into the building. On February 5th, Carlos asked her to make a telephone call. She did so at 7 p.m. that day. And then the judge gives the jurors an instruction that says this testimony will go to the completeness of the Massachusetts state police investigation or lack thereof. The person she called told her about Sandra's involvement sexually with a Stoughton police detective, and she relayed this information to the Canton PD. They knew everything that they needed to investigate this case, and they didn't know anything. And if you're not outraged by this, if you're twisting yourself into a pretzel to try and explain away why the state didn't need to bring charges because three and a half years later, the feds did, you need to have your head examined. She was present when Sandra's family came to retrieve her belongings on February 5th. Put a pin in that. Put a pin in that because I want to know if Sandra's family found her laptop there on February 5th because the Canton PD and the MSP who searched the apartment did not have a laptop. And then comes cross, and this is still on the stand, Aaron Porter. And after lunch, after lunch, Grant went to the overflow courtroom where he said he had a much better view of everything, including Farwell's face. And the gallery. He can also see the exhibits far more clearly, and he can hear everything that folks are saying. Oh, my God. And this is where the jump scare happened. Oh, my God. They showed a picture of Sandra's face when she was found dead. I am glad I'm in the overflow room. I just gasped and said, Oh, my God. I think the defense put up the wrong exhibit. Oh, dear God. I am traumatized. He said, I cannot believe that was just put up on the screen with no warning whatsoever. I don't know if I'm ever going to be the same. That poor girl. Damn you, Matt Farwell. Damn you to hell. People are crying in the courtroom. He says, I can see the entire gallery. I can't see the jury. I can't pay attention to those questions. I'm traumatized. People are crying. Someone left the overflow room in tears. And here's Emily's notes at this moment. She says, Video on screen. Friend juror looks like she's taking deep breaths looking at Sandra on the screen. Emily didn't take a lot of notes on this, apparently. But I'm sure she'll tell you about it when she does a show. And then Grant says this. And her poor family. Agreed. Michael Proctor's lawyer is in the gallery sitting near Farwell. Remember we watched the video of him earlier. Sitting near the Farwell defense bench in the public gallery. He's the only person I can see on camera other than Farwell who seems unbothered by what they have just seen. I'm very, very overwhelmed. I wasn't ready for that, Grant says. How did the defense put up that in open court with no warning? A lot of you are saying you don't think it was a mistake at all. The defense asked a few questions about Sandra's family coming to collect items after the picture of Sandra's dead body and face was shown by accident by the defense. I am not sure if anyone has any idea what was just said or asked. My notes on this part of the testimony are in the next post. Okay. Next time. There are no cameras in this. Okay. So then they get into the cameras. This is a big problem. This is a big problem. This is so highly prejudicial. And so many people on that jury and in that gallery are not going to be able to unsee what they saw. They're just not going to be able to. But we read from this morning where the judge said, okay, before we show any pictures of the scene that involved the inclusion of Sandra's body, I'm going to give them a warning ahead of time. A warning. And they just put that up with no warning. Because, of course, they did. Sick. Sick. Absolutely sick. Oh, please. Emily said, please. The most devastating moment happened early into the afternoon testimony as defense attorney Stevens continued her cross of Aaron Porter from the Canton Woods Apartments. I don't think I can overstate how shocking this was. Stevens intended to play the video of Sandra in the lobby that we've all come to know. Instead, the screen advanced to another exhibit and displayed a photo zoomed into Sandra's face with the ligature around her neck. This was an image that would have typically come with an instruction from the judge allowing Sandra's family, the jury, and the gallery time to prepare and for some to leave the room if necessary. She says, to me, what was most off-putting about this terrible mistake was the way Stevens handled it, that's Kim Stevens, defense, federal defender, federal public defender, or didn't handle it. She did not acknowledge it, did not apologize, and continued her questioning in an exaggerated, sing-songy voice as if that would lighten the mood. I, I, wow, just wow, not a mistake, wow, just wow, how awful, outraged. Oh yeah, members, we have the we are outraged emoji. Use it, feel free to use all those emojis, they can be used for every trial. Well, it was shown to the gallery. Oh, it probably wouldn't have been, right, if they, it might have not have been shown to the gallery. I don't know if they made a motion to preclude it from being shown to the gallery, but it was, by mistake. Richie says, this is riveting. I saw your other nice comment about me before, thank you. I didn't want to put it on the screen, but thank you very much. Richie is one of the, one of the people that I've met in actual real life, including Emily C. Andrew Burkhardt, who I went to the dating company at the Sphere with, personally, for a weekend on her birthday last year. Will DeGlarer, Aidan Carney, Kelly Reed, all people that I've met in real life, that I love in real life. Aidan, did I say Aidan? Auntie Deb? Mrs. Parks. Mrs. Parks, Mrs. Parks is in the house and she's amazing. You can't unsee anything that horrific. Scott's blood pressure is through the roof. Sounds like the defense is trying to cause a mistrial, says Dee. Sherilyn thinks they deserve sanctions. Somebody said they, they say that it happened twice. Let's keep reading and see. You cannot unring that bell. Could that be basis for appeal? Well, the defense did it. So. Wouldn't be the basis for them to appeal it. In the event of a conviction. Emily says Farwell was standing, staring straight at the screen in front of him and didn't look away. Oh, my God, that is a psychopath, in my opinion. And so I think a lot of people were completely freaked out and triggered by that. And who could blame them, right? Who could actually, who could blame them? Back to the testimony. Erin says, Erin testifies that there's the only cameras, the only surveillance cameras in the building in which Sandra lived were in the lobby of the building. No cameras in the parking lots, no cameras in the hallways, no cameras anywhere else. And Emily said also the jurors have individual screens shared between the two of them. So they picture, the picture popped up directly in their faces. [02:19:08] Speaker 4: Hang on, I just need two seconds. Hang on, I just need two seconds. [02:19:15] Speaker ?: Hang on, I just need two seconds. Hang on, I just need two seconds. Hang on, I just need two seconds. Hang on, I just need two seconds. Hang on, I just need two seconds. Hang on, I just need two seconds. Hang on, I just need two seconds. 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He noticed that the snow on her vehicle was slightly melted and entirely untouched. The other vehicles had no snow. That indicated to him that it had not been moved. Okay. Thank you, Officer Cotard, for having some common sense and actually an investigation, maybe for the limited time that you're involved in this. He went back to the apartment. The door was locked. He was with Officer Brady. And another officer, him, Aaron Porter, Brady and another officer knocked and announced, hello, hello, Canton police. They unlocked the door and they saw a cat. Or he saw a cat. And the cat took off, frightened. Then they did some discussion. They showed the floor plan of Canton Woods. Apartment 3307. He says the bedroom door was closed when he came in and the door was locked. The front door was locked. The bedroom door was closed. And then the judge gave a warning on graphic exhibits. And she said, well, I'm giving court notice of the next exhibit. The judge instruction, your verdict must not be based on graphic. Sympathy, says Emily. Back to Grant's notes. Did you open that bedroom door? I did. Your Honor, at this point I'm giving the court notice as to the next exhibit. And we, the judge now gives the graphic exhibit instruction. And this is what we were supposed to get earlier before the defense showed Sandra's dead body and face. And he says, for Sandra, I will look at these images and describe them. The world must know what was done to Sandra and her unborn baby. [02:28:39] Speaker ?: Boy. [02:28:40] Speaker 2: Her unborn baby boy. What did you see in the bedroom? What did you see in the bedroom? Upon entering the room, I saw Ms. Birchmore seated on the ground, deceased by her bathroom door. What is this? This is what I saw when I entered the room. Ms. Birchmore was seated in front of the closet door with a strap around her neck. And these are Grant Smith Ellis' notes. Sandra is shown laying down on the floor of her apartment. She's not seated. She's at a 70 degree angle. She is hanging from the closet door at an angle. There's simply no way she hung herself in that way. I have not seen that image until now. It is simply impossible that Sandra hung herself at that angle. Impossible. We now see another exhibit. It is a picture of Sandra at an angle. Her belly that had her baby boy inside alive few days prior is exposed. Her body is lifeless and she hangs at an angle from the door of her closet. This is disturbing in so many ways. Did you notice any blood underneath Sandra? No, not underneath. Did you touch her body or her clothing? [02:30:07] Speaker ?: No. Did you move her? No. Did any of the other officers touch or move her? No. Did the other two officers come into the bedroom? No. He's an 18 year veteran at the time. Or I don't know if he's 18 years now or then. What did you do next? I told my supervisor blank that we needed the OCMA. That's the medical examiner. The state police and the appropriate personnel to investigate the matter. And what did you do next? [02:30:20] Speaker 2: No. No. Did you move her? No. Did any of the other officers touch or move her? No. Did the other two officers come into the bedroom? No. He's an 18 year veteran at the time. Or I don't know if he's 18 years now or then. What did you do next? I told my supervisor blank that we needed the OCMA. That's the medical examiner. The state police and the appropriate personnel to investigate the matter. And what did you do next? We called the state police. Who are the state police? The detective unit. Where are they located? The Norfolk County District Attorney's Office. And why did you call them? Because they have original jurisdiction over all unattended deaths. Remember that. We learned that in the murder of John O'Keefe. Karen Reed case. About how long were you? Are they also known as the CPAC unit? Yes. About how long were you inside the apartment? Not long at all. Maybe eight minutes. He says besides opening the bedroom door, he didn't touch anything else in the apartment. And then he met the state police officers in the hallway outside Sandra's apartment. Next, he called Officer Hawking. He confirmed that state police were on scene. He handled the scene. He handed the scene over to CPAC and then he left. Oh, Emily said he said, "NCDAO is a snarky tone that made me like him." Here's interesting. This is interesting too. So he's Canton PD. I wonder if he was a school resource officer back then or if he was like, I have questions. Because he wasn't involved in, I don't think, any other investigation involving Canton PD that we've looked at, any other trial that we've looked at. I don't recognize his name from any other case. If I'm wrong, tell me, is he one of the good guys? He wasn't involved in any further investigation into her death. He didn't collect any evidence or interview any witnesses. He didn't get any search warrants and he didn't attend her autopsy. And Emily's notes here say, "The photo from the hallway of Sandra's body," and there's a closer photo, "The desk lamp is on, the window and the shade are open, and it's well-lit from outdoor light." Sandra Lamp. Emily's notes say, "I advised it appeared to be an S. I called CPAC to do crime scene investigation in their jurisdiction." Dispatch called the medical examiner and he exited the department and held the scene. Oh, he held the scene for maybe eight minutes. Maybe he was in there for eight minutes. MSP arrived and he went back to Canton High. And then there was an exhibit of the camo duffel bag strap, the duffel bag with the missing strap. He sounds like a real stand-up guy, people are saying. The trial is expected to last about... I think four weeks, maybe 20 days of testimony. Cotard is a good guy, says Duke's Bosox. Okay. But they collected no real evidence. Well, KNPD was not in charge of collecting the evidence. It was the Massachusetts State Police because it was an unattended death. So... Grant said, "Farwell's lawyer up on cross. Now I stepped out for a second to compose myself." Wait a second. [02:34:09] Speaker ?: Let me give it a second. [02:34:09] Speaker 2: Let's cross. [02:34:21] Speaker ?: At that time, he was approximately, had been working there for about 15 years. [02:34:30] Speaker 2: He had been to other scenes of suicide, including in that position. Hang on a second. [02:34:56] Speaker ?: And... [02:34:57] Speaker 2: I made it up to myself to read Grant's version of this. He said, "Do you recall if the door to Sandra's apartment was locked?" Yes. "Did you try the handle?" Yes. "Did you insert the key into the deadbolt?" And he says, "I can't recall which lock I tried first." Now we see a picture of Sandra's apartment kitchen. Sandra had some plates in her kitchen and some papers on the counter. "Did you enter the bathroom of Sandra's apartment?" I don't recall. "Did you see inside the bathroom?" Yes. "And the door was open before you got there?" Yes. I did not open the bathroom door. Judge is now screening each exhibit very carefully before allowing the defense to show it on the big screens. For good reason. Kimberly C. Stevens and her team are in for a bad night after that slip-up earlier. I am told the main courtroom was seriously traumatized. "After you secured the scene, did you contact any other school resource officers?" Yes. I contacted Ms. Isabel to obtain next of kin information. Objection. Sustained. "Can we be heard?" Defense. "Not on this council." "Okay. Thank you, ma'am." "Your Honor, may I have a moment?" Says the defense. "Sir, while you were in the apartment, did you open the closet door as part of clearing the scene?" No. Did you see any signs of a struggle? I did not. You were trained to look for signs of a struggle. I was trained to check Ms. Birchmore's well-being. Were you trained to look for signs of a struggle? I saw a dead body. Nothing further. [02:36:52] Speaker ?: That is a rough end for a cross. Here's a redirect. [02:36:53] Speaker 2: You were asked about signs of a struggle. You were in the apartment for eight minutes, right? Yes. And your job that day was what? A well-being check on Ms. Birchmore. [02:36:58] Speaker ?: Was it your job to investigate Ms. Birchmore's death, sir? No. You were asked on cross-examination about some disarray in the apartment? [02:37:03] Speaker 2: Yes. [02:37:04] Speaker ?: Can we show Exhibit 29, please? [02:37:04] Speaker 2: Which is already in evidence? Yes. [02:37:06] Speaker ?: Sir, do you see moving boxes? Yes. [02:37:06] Speaker 2: Can we show Exhibit 29, please? That is a rough end for a cross. Here's a redirect. [02:37:10] Speaker ?: Here's a redirect. [02:37:11] Speaker 2: Here's a redirect. You were asked about signs of a struggle. You were in the apartment for eight minutes, right? Yes. And your job that day was what? A well-being check on Ms. Birchmore. Was it your job to investigate Ms. Birchmore's death, sir? No. You were asked on cross-examination about some disarray in the apartment? Yes. Can we show Exhibit 29, please? Which is already in evidence? Yes. Sir, do you see moving boxes in this photo? I do. Moving boxes. Yes. Were you aware as to whether Ms. Birchmore had moved in the recent past? I'm not. Do you see a pile of cat droppings? Yes. Was it clear that there was no one to care for the cat after Sandra died? Yes. Very clear. What does the box say in the picture? It's a baby stroller. She had a baby stroller in her apartment. Nothing further from the DOJ and no recross. I need a quick break. So while I'm taking my break, I'm going to put a little teaser on for you. Richie, if I put on just the beginning of your micro dots video as a teaser, there's no, is there any, is there any music in there that's going to get me stricken? Because I know what you guys will do. You guys are going to get on over there and get micro dots a like and a sub. [02:38:48] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:38:49] Speaker 2: I think there's no music in the beginning. So this is micro dots new video on Sandra Birchmore. This is a full timeline and visual recreation recreation. And for a few minutes, I'm going to put this on while I take a quick break so that I can fill up my iced coffee. And I will be back to to tell you all about the next witness who testified today. And we're only here at two hours and thirty nine minutes and 15 seconds. So, you know what? Recaps are not fast. Here's Emily. Emily, can you pin your comment in the chat? Can I do it from here? I can't. Can you pin that in the chat that the link to this video so that everyone can go finish it later? Let me just put micro dots on here. Maybe I can highlight. Okay. [02:39:49] Speaker ?: All right. [02:39:50] Speaker 2: BRB. Oops. [02:40:10] Speaker 6: It's February 1st, 2021. At 5:46 PM, Sandra Birchmore is seen alive for the last time. 9:14 PM. Officer Matthew Farwell sends her a text message asking if he can come by for a second. She told him the door would be unlocked. Then put one load of laundry in the washing machine. He gets into his grey SUV and starts driving to the Canton Woods apartments. He told the investigators, other cops he knew and worked with, that he only went there to break up with her. She had a lot of issues and told a lot of lies. She told him that she was pregnant. And he was the father. So he was going to end it. Right then. And there. It's a few minutes before 9:30 PM. And that is the front entrance to Sandra's building. Matthew will be here in a few moments. But before he arrives, there's something you need to know. Matthew Farwell has a very, very serious problem. And he is quickly running out of time to address it. All of his past decisions have finally caught up with him. On the night of the murder, he was 34 years old. But he was 25 back in 2010. When he first met a 13-year-old Sandra Birchmore at the Stoughton police station. She was interested in pursuing a career in law enforcement and joined the Police Explorers Academy. Farwell was an instructor. He would use his authority to begin what federal investigators called a long game. An unbroken chain of and psychological manipulation spanning a decade. His twin brother, William, though not identical in appearance, shared Matthew's same predatory tendencies. The two of them, as well as then-detective Robert Devine. Each reportedly engaged in sexual acts with Sandra Birchmore over several years, utilizing their authority as police officers and academy instructors to maintain the relationship. While all three men had sexual relations with her, it was Matthew who took her virginity at 15. It happened on April 10th of 2013. After two years of ******, he crossed a line from which there was no return, making the decision that would ultimately destroy him. And shockingly, the very next day, on April 11th, he attended an important photo shoot. Just as he began ****** Sandra, he was also starting his marriage to Michelle. To the outside world, he was a respected police officer, happily married and living a stable life. But behind closed doors, he was consumed by a dark and increasingly violent obsession involving a ****** year old girl. Sandra's journal entries describe his preoccupation with ******, ****** and ****** violence, introducing the idea of ****** to her when she was just 16 years old. He was 28. This continued as Sandra became an adult. Allegedly all three men would arrange to meet her in isolated parking lots around town, in their police cruisers. One such location is 1165 Park Street in Stoughton, at the Chateau restaurant, out back in a hidden overflow parking area. Detective Robert Devine later testified that he would meet Sandra here on a weekly basis. [02:44:38] Speaker 5: And how long would those interactions last before she asked you to rail her? She came up with that one, probably two or three weeks in. Okay, so even after those suggestions, you interacted with her on a weekly basis for multiple months? It wasn't my choice, sir. You know, I would be sitting somewhere and she would pull up to me even though it wasn't. So just out of the blue, she would just say, "When are you going to give in a room?" [02:45:07] Speaker ?: That's what she does. [02:45:08] Speaker 5: Or what she did. You'll be famous as famous can be with the whole wide world watching you when on TV. You would acknowledge that she had told you that she was having a sexual relationship with Matthew Farwell? What she said to me was, when she was propositioning, "Matt and Billy like it." [02:45:24] Speaker 6: Matthew preferred taking her to local motels and retail parking lots. This Costco in the neighboring town of Avon was one location he returned to repeatedly. Another was the Five Guys parking lot at the Village Shops on Washington Street in Canton. By 2019, Sandra was 21 and Farwell was 33. He was getting older, more established in his career and deeper into his marriage. Matthew and Michelle had two young children. With so much to lose, paranoia began to consume him. And he started making efforts to conceal his crimes. At the end of their text exchanges, he would instruct Sandra to delete their messages. He was being more careful now, telling her to make sure all of their early conversations, from when she was 15 years old, were permanently deleted. But the fear of getting caught didn't stop him from continuing their relationship. He just became more controlling. Now he insisted she share her phone's location data with him. So he could track her every move for almost two years. And when she didn't, he would interrogate her. By 2020, which was the year preceding Sandra's death. The fantasies he pursued with her were becoming increasingly dark, violent and disturbing. Throughout the year, he indicated his intention to ch*ck her, on at least 20 separate occasions. Farwell's depravity was reaching a crescendo. He asked Sandra to pretend to be the victim of his simulated assaults, while she role-played as a 13-year-old girl. [02:47:24] Speaker 1: "Matthew was treating Sandra like an object he owned." "Matthew was treating Sandra like an object he owned." [02:47:51] Speaker 2: "Look at this picture of her, and how little she was." [02:47:55] Speaker ?: "Wow." [02:47:57] Speaker 2: "Wow." [02:48:01] Speaker ?: "Wow." [02:48:05] Speaker 2: "Josie Liu says, 'There's an unknown witness, impounded name. I'm curious, is it either Divine or someone who would cause a certain commotion? And today Proctor's lawyer was there. Makes one wonder." [02:48:18] Speaker ?: "That's a little teaser for you." [02:48:19] Speaker 2: "That's a little teaser for you of the timeline and the recreation of the Sandra Birchmore story by Microdots. Go give him all the love and all the likes and all the thumbs up. And watch the rest of it later, because I only gave you a little teaser for about seven minutes. I hope they're doing the Lord's work. Thanks be in trouble." "The father of the baby she was carrying is a guy named Jason Picard. He was her army recruiter." "We do know he is on the witness list as well." "All right. Back to our regularly scheduled program. Thank you. You're welcome for sharing this. Go on and give Microdots the love." "It is not easy to do what he does and he does it really, really, really well." "The next witness up was Carlos Verissimo, the Canton Woods apartment complex maintenance supervisor for 20 years on direct by Brian Fogarty. He only worked in that building, building three. They showed floor plans of the building. And he explained that in order to get to the stairs to exit Sandra's third floor apartment, one would have to walk past all the other apartments on her floor in either direction. One key opened both the door handle and the dead bolts. It was the same key. "I don't know if these men are still married to their wives. I'm not here for gossip and I don't know the answer. I just don't know. I don't know if the wife has divorced him or not. Don't know. Sometimes people don't get divorced because spousal privilege. Sometimes they don't get divorced because they want to protect the assets. Sometimes they get the divorce so that the spouse who's going to be convicted maybe of murder doesn't have any assets. So I just don't know the answer to that. And so I don't, this is a legal channel, not a gossip and rumor channel. And so I don't really talk about, you know, the families of these people, of his wife. I have no idea where she is. And I don't know. Right. Matt's on trial, not his wife. Try and keep it classy. Let's do that. Thank you." "He was working on February 4th. Carlos was. He knew the residents, but he didn't know Sandra, but he had seen her around. He learned that Sandra had passed away. He spoke with Aaron Porter and law enforcement about surveillance video. There's only one camera in the building and it's the camera in the lobby." To review footage, he had to log in to a computer and he was asked to look for the resident of 3307, which was Sandra. "He did not recognize. Law enforcement came to sit with him to review the footage. And then they showed the footage of Sandra entering and exiting throughout the day and early evening on February 1st of 2021. They also showed the video of Farwell entering the lobby to 1:21 at around 9:07 PM. And he was asked, "Do you recognize this person?" He said, "No." "Did you identify this person as a law enforcement?" "Yes." "How did you do that?" And he said, "I told him I didn't know that guy and I'd never seen him before." The next video is Matthew Farwell leaving the lobby and Grant said, "Minutes after her murder." And he also said the video is only stored for 30 days. And then he was shown a picture of wire shelving in Sandra's closet and I don't, I don't know why. But maybe that'll, maybe they'll close the loop on that at some point. The cross of this witness was done by Joanne Daly. One second, I gotta get back to my notes. [02:52:23] Speaker ?: Oops. [02:52:34] Speaker 2: Michelle McPhee of LA Magazine says, "I'm looking at the very graphic photos of Sandra taken after her death, and it's apparent that her nose is broken, misshapen and bruised in these photos, which was not noted in any of the MSP police reports." Story coming. All right, well, keep an eye out for that. [02:53:09] Speaker 4: Hold on. [02:53:10] Speaker 2: Oh, Grant says this. Hold on, breaking news. The unnamed woman in question is now on the DOJ witness list as to Brian Tulling and John Fanning's cover-up of Sandra Burstmore's murder. It's the same woman who extorted Sandra over $248 and then called the Stought and PD about Sandra and Fart while on 1-21-21. So she's coming in to testify. We testify. Huh. Okay. Okay, let's get back to it. Oh, please. Oh, my God, there's so much to cover. I can't even. I'm going to try and move it a little faster because I know this is taking a really long time. There's a lot to scroll through. Oops. Where were we? Carlos. Carlos, right? Oh, please. Emily, I think you put your afternoon notes up on YouTube, right? Because sometimes it's easier to access and it plays nicer when you're flipping pages. [02:55:02] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:55:03] Speaker 2: Oh, at 1:50, Emily's notes say, "Farwell walks back in after lunch and super casually and begins snuggle whispering, with his attorney Stevens." [02:55:32] Speaker ?: Disgusting. [02:55:33] Speaker 2: And then she said, "When Carlos Verisimo took me out of his office, [02:55:36] Speaker ?: I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. [02:55:39] Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to my office. [02:55:40] Speaker ?: And then she said, "When Carlos Verisimo took me out of my office, I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. And I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. [02:55:58] Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. [02:56:03] Speaker ?: I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. [02:56:10] Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. [02:56:22] Speaker ?: I'm going to go back to my office. [02:56:23] Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. [02:56:34] Speaker ?: I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. [02:56:45] Speaker 5: I'm going to go back to my office. [02:56:46] Speaker 2: I'm going to go back to my office. I'm going to go back to my office. And then he's got some, there's so much breaking news. The breaking news also is that Stoughton Police Chief Donna McNamara may testify tomorrow, Wednesday, in the trial. She's expected to be the last witness of the day. We may not get to her testimony. If so, she will testify on Thursday. So the lineup for tomorrow is Trooper Dunn continued, then Leslie Davis, then Robert Kuhn, then Alicia Zimmerman, then Stoughton PD. Chief Donna McNamara, who they are trying like hell to get her out of her job at Stoughton PD, because she's the one who started the internal affairs investigation into John Fanning. So there's that. Emily made it just in time for dismissal. I know, sometimes you got to rush to get that bus. I can't even imagine what the traffic is like for you going all the way back to Canton. [02:57:47] Speaker ?: No, please. Okay. [02:57:49] Speaker 5: Per Boozy. [02:57:50] Speaker 2: They did show a picture the second time on Grant's interview this evening. Okay. The same picture? Well, they showed it a second time, but the second time was not an accident. I think what Emily is saying is, how did they get it out of order when it wasn't even the one after the one when they showed it by accident? Right? [02:58:20] Speaker ?: I don't know. [02:58:20] Speaker 2: This is a really long. [02:58:21] Speaker ?: I love feed. So it takes time. [02:58:26] Speaker 2: Oh, the forensic people are ramping up again, in case you haven't noticed. Two different pictures, both an accident. [02:58:48] Speaker ?: Okay. [02:58:48] Speaker 2: Okay. Okay. [02:58:50] Speaker ?: I don't know if he started a new thread. Hold on. Okay. [02:58:55] Speaker 2: Anything else happen with Carlos Verisimo? I don't know if he started a new thread. Hold on. Okay. Anything else happen with Carlos Verissimo? I think he showed, they showed, they talked more about the surveillance video, right? I made notes for everything except the continuation of this thread, so bear with me for a second. We left off at cross. Let's see if I can find another way. I'm getting tired. Emily, you want to come on and talk about it? Hold on. Oh, well, I guess it was on cross that the supervisor testified at Sandra's cross. He concedes that people would prop the front door open of the building. I know you're also spent. I know. Despite a sign telling them not to. Thank you, Glenn Jones. So that's interesting. And the jury looked tired. Matthew Dunn then takes the stand. And all he says, Glenn Jones says, could get awkward. First state trooper from Norfolk County DA's office takes the stand. Matthew Dunn could get awkward. US attorneys believe local and state investigators botched this case. And then he says, testimony ends for the day. Direct examination of Matthew Dunn resumes in the morning. See if there's anything else. Here's somebody else. I don't know if Dunn really testified about much today, did he? Yeah, they were disinterested and then they were tired. That's exactly right. In the meantime, we'll cover, you know, we'll do, we'll cover the entirety of Matthew Dunn's testimony tomorrow because there wasn't much before they broke for the day. But, um, Rachel Rollins, Rachel Rollins is weighing in on this. Hold on. She says, great first test day of testimony for the feds finished five witnesses and started a six trooper Matthew Dunn, the case officer and Sandra's death investigation. Awkward. Dunn is satisfying about the premeditated killing of Sandra and her unborn child that MSP and NCDAO deemed a suicide. Wow. The swamp waters. Peter Murphy's here. He says the swamp waters are rising. Uh, let's take a look at some other video that Grant caught today. I think he interviewed Esty. Let's take a look at that. And, um, he says wild. I just ran into Kate Peter's friend, Joe Warren outside of federal court. I don't know who that guy is. I don't know the lore behind him. He got very concerned when I asked when Kate and Joe were present, when the FBI was wiretapped while investigating Brian Tully and John Fanny's coverup of Sandra Birchmore's murder. Then he, okay, hold on a second. Oh my God. Grant is like the man on the street talking to everybody. Can somebody tell me who Joe Warren is? Who's the F is Joe Warren? What's the lore? Peter Murphy was at court today too. All right. Here you go. [03:03:59] Speaker 3: Mr. Warren. How are you, sir? How are you? Okay. So what I want to know is not you per se. I think you might've been in the orbit of this call, but why did Kate Peter wiretap the FBI? You keep [03:04:08] Speaker 4: telling people I wiretap the FBI. You were there. That counts. That counts. You can't. What is the [03:04:14] Speaker 3: actual statute? Illegal interception of an oral communication. Great. Just stop. Agent Lea Ferreira knows your name. Why are you saying her name? I, cause I can say her name. I told, no, I said, don't say the other woman's name. The woman you two were fucking intimidating. I'm so pissed. Why would you and Kate Peter know that that woman was talking to Lea Ferreira? What the fuck? You shouldn't have known that. She was looking into Tully and Fanning. Who you really protecting? Who's this guy? You don't know what you're talking about. I want to know if you were working for them as a CI. Great. You don't know what you're talking about. I'm asking you a direct question. Were you a CI? I'm asking you, do you deny it? You were there. You were there for that conversation. The statute defines it as illegally intercepting and oral communication. Lea Ferreira didn't know you were there. Neither did you know Kate was there. How do I know? I talked to her. Yeah, I cooperated with the FBI. I co-op. Oh, well, listen, you can sell that song up the river, right to Sing Sing. Well, hi, Sing Sing. Well, listen, I'm just saying, please, no more. All right. Sing Sing is a place. Sing Sing is a place. Get out of here. Go. It's public. It's just public. I thought you're going inside. You're going to miss it. I'm not going anywhere. Oh, okay. See, I'm just coming up to you. Just tell you stop saying my name. I'm not. Say it to this. What do you ever say? Say it to this. Why are you shaking? I'm a little concerned as to who you work for. I don't know what the was going on at Amelia's. I don't know what the these cops were doing, but I'm worried you protect men that hurt women and kids and then put them in brothels because they got dirt on you. How about that? Oh, you're wrong. Don't touch my birdies. You're wrong. Don't touch my birdies. Did you hit your wife with the microphone? I don't have a wife. Your girlfriend? You hit her in the mouth with the microphone. She might have hit me in the mouth with the microphone. Is she okay? She's fine. She is. She's very nice. You may not talk to her. You might be. I'm worried that you bring women. You might be the feral journalist. Did Kate Peter pimp her prior roommate? Is Kate Peter a pimp? I've got no comment. I've got no comment. Okay. Will you help me break up this brothel ring? Can I flip you? [03:06:28] Speaker 2: Did you promise to stop? There's no comment about whether Kate Peter runs a brothel? What? [03:06:38] Speaker 3: I'm telling people that I want your child. You've got to tell it to Agent Leah Ferreira. She wants to know. So verify that you talked to her and told her that. Verify it. You want her phone number? Verify it. Oh, you want me to play you the voicemail? [03:06:50] Speaker 2: Oh, he's the antiquated rogue guy? That's him? I don't really know who that is, but okay. Rogie rogue. I don't know who that is. Can I flip you? Oh, I do have a voicemail from her. You have a voicemail? Sure. Send it over. [03:07:03] Speaker 3: I'm not going to send you shit, but I'll play you the voicemail so you can know how serious this is. You shouldn't have been there for that call. It made me mad. Don't be emotional. I'm not being emotional. I'm concerned that you and Kate Peter tried to compromise a federal investigation into Brian Tully and John Fanning's cover-up of Sandra Birchmore's murder because it touched on Amelia's. You fucking ring of degenerates. Stop buying prostitutes. Stop it. Stop it. Don't buy no prostitutes. Make me old man. I didn't buy Wendy Murphy. I never bought Wendy Murphy. Hey, I never did. [03:07:40] Speaker 2: Why was Liz Syracuse's uncle in law? Wendy Murphy is Grant's mother. She's a lawyer in Massachusetts and a law professor. What? Her uncle. Who's a statey? Why was he hanging out with my mom? Michael Proctor's uncle has been hanging out with his mom, Wendy Murphy. [03:07:57] Speaker 3: Wait, wait. What's his name? Marty Syracuse? Is that his name? I don't know. Oh, you don't know any stateys, do you? You on that CI list? The Globe's suing for it. We're going to find you on there. 827 names. [03:08:09] Speaker 4: You're a conspiracy nut. I'm just saying. [03:08:11] Speaker 3: Hey, why'd Michael Proctor work at State Street? I want to know. Why was his lawyer here? Have a good day, Grant. Have a good day. I'll see you in there? No, you won't. Yeah, exactly, because you're too afraid to give your ID to the federal agents who want to arrest you. How dare you wiretap the FBI? You piece of trash. Tell Kate Peter to go fuck herself. [03:08:33] Speaker 2: Okay, earmuffs, everyone. Amelia's is a restaurant. We watched this. He told us all about this yesterday. He told us a lot of stuff. Was it only yesterday? It feels like a long time ago. And the way this man just ran off makes me think that maybe Grant's on the right track. I don't know. Let's take a listen to Grant interviewing Esty and Boozy Beauty outside the courtroom after what he says. It was the worst moment of any federal criminal trial ever in the United States. The Matthew Farwell defense team twice showed a picture of Sandra Birchmore's dead body and face in open court with no warning. Esty and Boozy Beauty explained what happened. Sandra's family was so broken up. They were unable to speak. [03:09:20] Speaker 7: So were you in the courtroom when the defense, this is Esky by the way, were you in the courtroom when that picture went up without anyone? Can you tell us what happened? [03:09:29] Speaker 8: Yes. We all processed it for like a glimpse and was just like, can I use my language? Holy shit. [03:09:38] Speaker 4: Was there a reaction audible in the courtroom? Did people have... I let out an audible like, [03:09:43] Speaker 8: oh my God. And then I right away put my hands over Barb's eyes for her not to see. Sandra's cousin Barb. Yeah. And she's like, thank you. And I was like, oh my God. And like, yeah, she just started crying obviously because she's not expecting to see that. We were told or she was told that they would give instructions to the jury that sensitive material would be seen and then at that warning. Yeah. And the family would then leave the courtroom and she was planning on doing that. [03:10:13] Speaker 4: That was the plan the whole time. And the defense did this without any warning. [03:10:16] Speaker 8: No warning. They, they put up a picture. Not the prosecution. It was the defense. Yes. It was the defense that they were supposed to be putting up a picture of like, her condo. And instead it was Sandra's face, like zoomed in of her deceased rigor mortis face. Which I can still see right now when I close my eyes. [03:10:39] Speaker 4: Was it difficult in the room after that for anyone to take in any of the information? Did we resettle after a little bit? Kind of. It was hard because you could still see that the [03:10:49] Speaker 8: family was sniffling and upset and Barb actually did go and leave because she couldn't trust what was going to come up next. What pictures were going to be displayed. Wow. Yeah. I don't even have anything else to say. I was disturbed by it. Yeah. Yeah. Those are my feelings about today. [03:11:09] Speaker 9: Boozy beauty. Can you tell me what you felt when you saw that? Shock initially. It's boozy beauty. She's a beauty. And then immediate anger. And I immediately turned to Barb. I had someone in between us and I immediately checked on her because you could just see the instant despair in her face. It was unsettling to say the least. Very unsettling. Were you able to take in any evidence after that? I tried. And normally I can't in these type of things. But because it was so shocking, you didn't even realize what was coming. Because it happened twice actually. They originally flashed it. And then they went to go on to the photo. And then after they were done, they actually showed it again. So it happened twice. And I actually was surrounded by Sandra's family, both next to me and in front. And they all equally, you could see by their body language, they are very much upset by this. Obviously anger, a few of them. And then others were just pure and utter shock and instant tears, which is to be expected when it comes to obviously Sandra Birkmore's family. She is the victim in this and still has yet to receive justice. And here we are in federal court because the Norfolk company district attorney's office and the Massachusetts state police refused to change her manner of death when it comes to Sandra's case. The defense seems like they almost lost this case. [03:12:32] Speaker 4: How did the jury react to that photo going up about any warning? [03:12:36] Speaker 9: Uh, you could tell a few of them were shocked, you know, because it wasn't what we were expecting. Even Judge Casper, you could tell was pretty alarmed, pretty, pretty alarmed almost instantaneously. And then in fact, several times afterwards had to remind both teams to basically make sure you follow the exhibits when you're calling them and make sure you don't flash other exhibits that haven't been okayed yet by her. So thank you. And how do you want to be identified? [03:13:02] Speaker 2: Boozy Beauty. And this is a great way to close out this part of the segment here with Boozy Beauty's long thread, which I will read to you, where she connects all the dots for those of you don't know. Brian Tully was the head supervisor of the John O'Keefe death investigation when Jen McCabe's 227 Google search Haas long to dying cold was mysteriously deleted. The only search to have been missing amongst 4,056 searches. John Fanning was the head supervisor of the Sandra Birchmore death investigation when her laptop's server mysteriously crashed. Thus, the raw native digital forensic data from the laptop was completely wiped out. This occurring days after a meeting with federal investigators where they likely told Fanning that they did not agree with the state's suicide finding and also only four days before Matthew Farwell's arrest. Fanning in a report also stated that a search of Farwell's phone produced zero communications with Birchmore. Her laptop, however, produced 32,709 communications. Fanning and Tully both worked within the Massachusetts State Police Unit assigned to Norfolk County. Before their promotions, they were even partners. Both would go on to have some level of involvement in both the John O'Keefe and Sandra Birchmore investigations. Fanning is a Stoughton native who worked for the Stoughton Police Department from 2002 to 2005. Matthew Farwell began volunteering with the Stoughton Police Department through its Explorer program in 1998, remaining involved until the program was shut down in 2016. Norfolk County District Attorney Michael Morrissey also previously ran a basketball camp in Stoughton. Through the Explorer program. Oh, I just threw up a little bit in my mouth. Tully attended Stonehill College where he played football with Paul O'Keefe, John O'Keefe's brother. Paul was the team's quarterback and captain during the 2000 and 2001 school years. Tully, who was only one year younger, was there during both seasons in which Paul served as a captain. Taken together, these connections raised serious questions about the investigators who played supervisory roles in two of the most significant cases handled by the Norfolk County investigative apparatus. Both investigators were once partners. Both had supervisory roles in these investigations. Both were involved in some capacity in the O'Keefe and Birchmore cases. And both cases contained significant questions surrounding missing or compromised digital evidence. Oh, and how could I forget? Tully and Fanning worked together to retrieve Karen Reed's cell phones when the county attempted and failed to indict her on witness intimidation charges. They also went to Matthew Farwell's federal indictment together. There you go. There's a picture of them going to retrieve Karen's phones. Because you can't make it up, folks. You just can't make it up. And nobody wants you to know about it. Nobody wants you to know about it. But we're not shutting up, are we, folks? Thank you to Kimmy for your demo, who says, "This isn't easy to cover. We appreciate the heck out of you, Melanie." Thank you so very much. Decline says, "I love you so much. You say everything that some of us will never." Thank you. Mary Beyer says, "Mizzy says Sandra's apartment was a bit isolated between the elevator and the maintenance closet." And Charles saying, "It's called The Fabulous, I don't like that word, show. Thanks for tuning in from South Africa. It wasn't enough. He abused her in life. He abused her in death," says Janice. Mama, she says, "Mel, you and the crew do amazing work. So grateful for all your reporting on this case. Justice for Sandra Birchmore. Thank you so very much." May says, "Two years. I love you with all my heart, Melanie. Blessings. Thank you so much." Oh man, the information is rolling in. Susie, thank you for tuning in from Canada. Good evening. Just joined. Sorry if this was already answered. Will his wife testify? Well, she's got spousal privilege, so she can't be forced to. She's not on the witness list. Thank you. Susie and Ms. Jewell says, "I just love you with all my heart. You're doing a sweet young girl justice. I appreciate you so much. Thank you." Under your scars, thank you for your sympathy. FYI, Grant on 10:00 PM on Turtle Boy. Juror's board already. Crazy. Thank you. Care Bear, thanks for gifting five memberships. And great coverage, Melanie. Condolences was working. I'm so sorry. I'm so sorry for the loss of your mom. Jules, thank you for your, my life is dark in healthcare, she says. Thanks for your 20. Music. Grant's video with Joe Warren made me concerned for ground safety. I think you were right about Grant needing security. Melanie, I hope I'm wrong. He says that he's got a lot of FBI watching him at all times. And there's a huge, apparently there's a huge FBI presence in the courtroom. But look who's all riled up today. Hold on a second. [03:18:22] Speaker ?: Well, 13 hours ago, she was all riled up about this. Here you go. [03:18:31] Speaker 2: Oh, look, one of the, one of the four, one of the four score and seven years ago people says, so Melanie little is threatening third party action. If she's sued in the defamation case with four little laughy, um, uh, laughy emojis with tears. Hey, honey, baby, good luck to you. I'm not your honey, baby. Everything we've ever posted includes videos of the exact wording coming out of your mouth. Are you sure about that, Jules? Are you sure about that? I'm not aware of any jurisdiction. Oops. In which you can sue yourself, but that's who you should be looking for at right in the mirror. Oh, dramatic one. Or do you think it's dramatic? Jules, do you think it's dramatic? Oh, and then look, one of their minions, Lara says attorney, Melanie little, you're a clown. Maybe you need to go brush up on the law. You've been spending so much time manipulating it that you clearly don't know what you're talking about anymore. Weirdo. You know, it's so funny if what they say is true and they're trying to make me a witness in this case under Massachusetts law, wouldn't this be witness intimidation? I don't know. I don't know. What do you think? And then they post a video of mine. Hold on. Cause we're not done yet. There's more. Oh, look, there's more. This is, she spends her life tweeting like it's her job. Hold on. Like it's her job. Like almost as if she's getting paid to, I don't know how she could ever do anything else in life other than posting about everyone who doesn't think John O'Keefe was hit by a car. Hold on. Let's see. Cause this must be today's talking point. This is what they do. This is how it's orchestrated. Okay. You're getting a great, a great lesson in what it is that they do. Oh, look, Mama Llama, another one of the four score and seven years ago, three years of relentless defamation, lies and harassment. This is exactly what it is. Full stop. Oh, good. And then you're going to post some of my videos. Okay. Good. Let's listen. So Jennifer McCabe, tell your army to keep coming for me. Cause we're going to keep coming for you and your family. So Jennifer McCabe, tell your army to keep coming. Oh, that's a little Jennifer McCabe. Tell your, that's a little clip of when I was talking about how they were stalking me, just like they're still doing. So funny when you take things out of context, isn't it? Isn't it Mama Llama, the self-proclaimed bestie of Jennifer McCabe. That's what she told that person in that, uh, really bad podcast. What the hell was it called? It was by that guy Phelps, right? Remember this is their marching orders for today. Come after Melanie little again. Oh, and here's something else. I guess here's something else. I guess that I, uh, another video. This must be really old. Hold on. This is, she's considering this harassment. Hold on. Oh, my freeze game is on point. Look at that. That's evil. My friends, you are staring at the squinty eyes of evil. Oh, that's defamatory. That's my opinion. You've said far worse about me. Let's keep going. Chris Albert coming in. Oh, oh, did you make a little montage of what you think is my defamation? Okay, cool. Cool. Cool. Cool. Chris Albert. What did I say about Chris Albert? Let's play it out of context for the D bag of the year award. Um, are, are, are you guys watching this? Are you seeing what I'm seeing here? Clearly opinion. Clearly opinion. Chris Albert up for the D bag of the year award. Wow. That's the best that you could find of my defamatory statements. First of all, Chris Albert isn't even a plaintiff. Okay. Try harder. Try harder. Hold on. Three years of relentless defamation lies and harassment. Really? That's the best that you could do. That's the best you could do on your assignment. Um, from, um, this morning. Wow. Well done. Well done to you. Oh, and then Jennifer Altman is in there saying just FYI, Chris Albert is one of the nicest men I have ever met. Sounds like a threat. Wow. Wow. All right. Hold on. Cause you know, of course there's going to be more just go on there and you'll find it. Oh, wait, there is more because now they're denying that they ever said anything about me on their four score and seven years ago channel that nobody's watching. Like literally the amount of views they have on there is embarrassing. How much money do you think they're raising for their, their, uh, their king? Why are you so obsessed with me? Go on out there. Armchair detectives. Oh, here are 10 hours ago. Forensic room says I don't even think we've ever mentioned Melanie little on our show. And then they're all reposting whoever this Laura girl is. If anybody knows who this Laura girl is, let me know. With a little, another laughy, smiley emoji. Oh, really? You don't think so? I'm sure everyone's got the receipts on that. They've never mentioned me on their show. Okay. All right. We'll keep going. There's more I'm sure, but I'll pull it all up for you tomorrow. They've got marching orders, but if those two little clips are the best that they can do for my defamation of Chris Albert being up for D bag of the year award. Well done. I can't even tell you how many examples I have going back two and a half years. Well, let's see. February, January of 2024 is when they started coming for me. It's all orchestrated. You know it. I know it. We all know it. You want to make me a witness? Make me a witness. Will they prosecute any of people who are harassing me for intimidations if my feelings get hurt? So it's Massachusetts law. That's not my law. I think it's stupid, but you know. Thank you. Thank you, love from Tejas for calling me the queen and healing vibes and deep clients as you have class integrity and humility. Love you and all the cupcakes. Feel free to email me with any further examples that you have of the harassment that I've received from these morons. It'll be fun is all I can say. It will be fun. All right. We'll come back tomorrow. We'll do this again. We'll do a recap of day three. Should be exciting. Donna McNamara should be the last witness of the day. And Matthew Dunn will tell us everything. He didn't get to tell very much today, so he'll tell us everything. Stay cool, stay kind, stay classy. 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