RECAP: Senate session adjournment, leadership shakeup — June 3

[1:06] It's not for ourselves, not for the political [1:36] parties, not for certain [1:38] individuals, but for the entire [1:40] country. Let's work together. [1:42] We will accept you. We will embrace [1:44] you. [1:51] Say again? [1:55] Well, right here in Rule 4 [1:56] it says [1:59] a pro-temporary acting [2:06] Senate president. [2:07] Well, Senator [2:15] Meigs. [2:17] Actually, yesterday [2:19] he's not very happy anymore. [2:22] Then we [2:23] really thought that yesterday he would join us [2:26] but he did not. He was thinking [2:27] it over, consulting his family, his friends [2:30] and then [2:32] morning [2:32] he said he will attend [2:36] but we didn't expect it because [2:37] he said he'll come but he did not. [2:40] So, earlier we were surprised when [2:42] he joined us when he arrived. [2:51] No, [2:52] 12 can be because we're the majority [2:54] of the 22 [2:56] because it should be 11 [2:59] divided by 22 [3:00] divided by 2 [3:01] is 11 [3:01] plus 1 [3:02] so we have 12 [3:03] not on SP. [3:07] I'm sorry, not on SP. [3:09] That's why we did not elect [3:10] a Senate president [3:11] because we'll be violating [3:13] a law. [3:14] We'll be violating [3:15] the Constitution. [3:15] He was enlightened. [3:23] We were surprised [3:26] because [3:26] Sen Meigs was already [3:27] did we [3:28] we asked [3:28] Sen Meigs [3:30] canina [3:31] mayroon bang [3:32] ikang kapalit [3:33] may sinasabi sa mga [3:34] wala naman. [3:36] Nothing. [3:42] There was none. [3:44] Kanina [3:44] no, nag-cocos kami [3:46] ng [3:46] one o'clock [3:49] wala pa eh. [3:50] Kasi yesterday [3:51] he said [3:51] he will join [3:52] but he did not. [3:59] I was already preparing [4:01] what to tell you guys [4:01] na pag hindi na naman sila [4:03] sumipot [4:03] na I will say [4:05] bahala [4:05] bahala na [4:06] bahala na [4:07] ang taong bayan. [4:15] Wala namang kapalit. [4:16] I mean, [4:16] bakit [4:16] makikialam ang palasyo? [4:21] Bakit ma'am [4:22] makikialam? [4:22] I mean, [4:23] this is a senate. [4:24] I mean, [4:25] we're another branch [4:25] of government. [4:26] Then, [4:31] pag dumating siya, [4:32] it's okay. [4:33] I mean, [4:33] we welcome him. [4:39] Well, [4:39] we already declared it. [4:40] Kung susipot siya. [4:44] Kung susipot siya. [4:54] Actually, [5:01] Sen win [5:02] in his kapatis [5:03] capacity [5:04] temporary [5:05] until a new [5:06] senate president [5:07] is elected. [5:09] And the only [5:10] elect is [5:10] we will have [5:11] 13. [5:12] Otherwise, [5:13] we cannot elect [5:14] a new senate [5:15] president. [5:15] So, [5:16] we will be [5:17] the senate [5:18] pro tempore [5:18] will be [5:19] the acting [5:20] senate president. [5:24] Definitely. [5:28] He will preside. [5:29] Yes, [5:30] he will preside. [5:37] I think it's [5:37] already stable [5:38] because [5:38] 12 kami, [5:40] 10 lang sila. [5:43] Yeah, [5:44] new senate president. [5:45] Yes, [5:45] but what can he do? [5:48] I mean, [5:48] he might be a [5:49] virtual president [5:50] dahil [5:50] majority na kami, [5:51] di ba? [5:52] 12, [5:53] 12 to 10? [5:53] That's illegal [6:01] na po [6:02] yung kanyang [6:03] tomorrow. [6:04] We have already [6:05] instructed [6:06] the senate [6:07] De Osa [6:08] the senate [6:09] sergeant at arms [6:10] the senate [6:10] secretary. [6:13] Also, [6:13] it's vacant [6:14] na po, [6:14] di ba? [6:14] We declared it. [6:15] So, [6:15] illegal na po [6:16] yung gagawin niya [6:17] because there's [6:17] already a new [6:18] blue ribbon chairman. [6:19] Of course, [6:38] yes, [6:39] because of the [6:40] new majority, [6:41] there's 12 of us. [6:42] There's 12 of us. [6:45] And then, [6:46] another thing, [6:47] did you hear [6:48] Senator [6:48] Cheez abstain? [6:50] Hindi naman na. [6:52] So, [6:53] he did not [6:54] abstain [6:55] doon sa mga [6:55] when we said [6:57] when Senator [6:58] Wynne said [6:59] declare all [7:00] committee, [7:01] I mean, [7:02] seats vacant [7:02] except for the [7:03] senate presidency. [7:08] I don't know [7:10] how they will [7:11] do that [7:11] because there's [7:11] already instruction [7:12] to the senate [7:13] sergeant at arms. [7:15] There's a new [7:15] sergeant at arms. [7:18] They will not be. [7:20] And then, [7:20] there will be, [7:21] we have, [7:22] we're contacting [7:23] now the [7:23] house of [7:27] representatives [7:28] that this is [7:29] the senate [7:29] new majority. [7:31] And even [7:31] Malacanang, [7:32] there's already [7:33] communication. [7:34] We're just [7:34] waiting for the [7:34] reply. [7:44] Because it's [7:45] invalid already. [7:45] This is [7:46] already a [7:46] press [7:46] conference, [7:47] right? [7:47] I'm telling [7:47] you, [7:48] I'm the [7:48] new [7:48] Blue Ribbon [7:51] committee chair [7:51] because there's [7:52] a new [7:53] senate [7:54] majority. [7:55] Yung [7:55] sinasabi [7:56] po nila [7:56] sila [7:57] Senator [7:57] Marcoleta, [7:59] hindi na [7:59] po sila [8:00] majority, [8:01] nasa [8:01] minority. [8:03] They only [8:03] have [8:03] 10. [8:04] na [8:04] kung gusto [8:05] po pumunta [8:05] na [8:05] mga [8:06] Marines, [8:06] mag [8:06] merienda, [8:07] pamiriendahin [8:07] na lang [8:08] dyan. [8:09] We will [8:15] review [8:16] upon [8:17] consultation [8:17] with the [8:18] new [8:18] members. [8:19] Like I [8:20] said, [8:22] everybody [8:22] is a [8:23] member [8:23] of the [8:24] Blue Ribbon. [8:25] Kasama po [8:26] si [8:26] Senator [8:26] Marcoleta, [8:27] kasama po [8:28] si [8:28] kung gusto [8:29] niya [8:29] pa ang [8:30] ex-oficio, [8:31] Senate [8:31] President [8:32] Cayetano, [8:33] they're all [8:34] invited. [8:41] Meron na [8:41] ngayon [8:42] Monday, [8:42] di ba? [8:48] Yeah, [8:48] of course, [8:49] because [8:49] number one, [8:51] okay, [8:51] subcommittee, [8:52] dapat constitute [8:53] ang subcommittee [8:54] upon the [8:55] instruction [8:55] of the [8:56] chairman [8:56] of the [8:56] committee. [8:57] Sino ba [8:57] yung [8:58] chairman [8:58] noon? [8:59] Si [8:59] Senator [9:00] Pia [9:00] Cayetano. [9:01] Number [9:02] two, [9:02] yung [9:02] invitations, [9:04] hindi [9:04] man lang [9:04] dumaan, [9:05] kahit [9:05] naman lang [9:06] sa [9:06] minority [9:06] leader. [9:07] Yung [9:08] minority [9:08] leaders, [9:09] the ex-oficio [9:10] of the [9:10] Blue Ribbon, [9:11] wala [9:11] hindi siya [9:11] binigyan [9:12] ng copy. [9:13] Pabuti [9:13] pa ang [9:13] media [9:15] of the [9:16] rules [9:16] of the [9:17] Senate. [9:17] Dapat [9:18] bag [9:18] yung [9:18] resource [9:19] persons, [9:20] ang bigyan [9:20] mo, [9:21] yung [9:21] member [9:22] ng [9:22] committee [9:22] para [9:23] mapag-aralan [9:23] nila, [9:24] para [9:24] we can [9:25] formulate [9:25] questions, [9:26] anong [9:26] itatanong [9:27] ko [9:27] dito? [9:28] Not [9:28] the [9:28] media, [9:29] because [9:29] the [9:29] media [9:29] cannot [9:29] ask [9:30] them [9:30] questions, [9:31] not [9:31] the [9:32] bloggers. [9:36] No, [9:36] we will, [9:36] of course, [9:37] we will [9:37] look, [9:38] yung [9:38] mga, [9:39] we will [9:40] still [9:40] invite [9:40] those [9:41] people, [9:41] some [9:41] of [9:42] those, [9:42] pero [9:42] we will [9:43] have [9:43] to [9:43] review [9:45] yung [9:48] kong [9:48] sino-sino [9:48] wala [9:49] na [9:49] pakundangan. [9:50] May mga [9:50] pangalan [9:50] ako [9:51] na hindi [9:51] ko [9:51] nakilala, [9:52] hindi [9:52] naman [9:52] contractor, [9:53] sino [9:53] ba yung [9:53] mga [9:53] yun? [9:54] Nakita [9:54] ko, [9:54] may 18 [9:55] Marines [9:55] na yun. [9:57] We will [9:57] have to [9:57] consult, [9:58] of course, [9:59] the [9:59] members, [9:59] until [10:00] Friday. [10:08] But for [10:19] now, [10:20] ang [10:20] sigurado [10:21] lang [10:21] is [10:21] 12. [10:27] Ang [10:27] mensahe, [10:28] ang [10:28] tao, [10:29] pagod [10:29] na po. [10:31] Ang [10:31] mensahe, [10:32] lahat [10:33] po, [10:33] nadadamay, [10:33] pati [10:34] po, [10:34] ang [10:34] minority [10:34] na [10:34] pumapasok [10:35] kami, [10:36] ang [10:36] gulo-gulo [10:36] ng [10:37] Senado, [10:37] wala [10:37] na [10:37] kayong [10:37] ginawa, [10:39] nakakahiya [10:39] din po, [10:40] pinapaswelduhan [10:41] kami araw-araw, [10:43] pagkatapos [10:43] three days, [10:44] it's a [10:44] violation of [10:45] the [10:45] Constitution. [10:47] So we [10:47] really have [10:47] to act. [10:48] On your [10:55] screens was [10:56] Senator [10:57] Irwin [10:57] Tulfo [10:58] who gave [10:58] us [10:58] a bit [10:59] of a [10:59] look [10:59] doon [11:00] sa [11:00] implications [11:01] of [11:01] the [11:02] leadership [11:02] shake-up [11:03] over there [11:03] at the [11:04] Senate, [11:05] what led [11:05] to [11:06] the [11:06] leadership [11:07] change [11:07] over there [11:08] at the [11:09] Senate. [11:09] To give [11:10] us [11:10] a summary [11:11] of what [11:12] happened [11:12] this [11:12] afternoon, [11:13] let's [11:14] speak [11:14] with [11:14] our [11:15] inquiry [11:15] reporter, [11:16] Belle [11:16] Petchay, [11:17] who's [11:17] there at [11:18] the [11:18] Senate [11:18] at the [11:18] moment. [11:19] Belle? [11:20] Neil, [11:21] interesting [11:21] turnout [11:22] of events [11:23] here at [11:23] the [11:23] Senate [11:24] after two [11:25] days. [11:26] that [11:26] the [11:27] Senate [11:27] sessions [11:27] were [11:28] called [11:28] off. [11:29] Senator [11:29] Sherwin [11:30] Gachalian [11:30] was [11:31] elected [11:31] Senate [11:32] President [11:32] pro [11:33] tempore [11:33] and [11:33] is [11:34] now [11:34] in [11:35] the [11:36] acting [11:36] capacity [11:37] as [11:38] Senate [11:38] President. [11:39] He presided [11:40] over the [11:40] session [11:41] on [11:41] Wednesday, [11:42] two days [11:42] after [11:43] no [11:43] plenary [11:43] sessions [11:44] were [11:44] held. [11:45] Twelve [11:45] senators [11:46] arrived [11:47] after [11:47] Senator [11:48] Francis [11:49] Cheez [11:49] Escudero [11:50] appeared [11:50] on the [11:50] floor [11:51] joining [11:52] the [11:52] 11 [11:53] then-minority [11:54] senators. [11:55] Senators [11:56] Ronald [11:56] Bato [11:57] De La [11:57] Rosa [11:57] and [11:57] Jingoy [11:58] Estrada [11:58] unable [11:59] to [11:59] attend [12:00] sessions, [12:00] 22 [12:01] became [12:02] the [12:02] baseline [12:02] for [12:03] computing [12:03] the [12:03] quorum. [12:04] Upon [12:05] reaching [12:05] the [12:05] quorum, [12:06] following [12:07] a [12:07] motion [12:08] made [12:08] by [12:08] Senator [12:10] Vicente [12:11] Soto, [12:12] all [12:12] positions [12:12] in the [12:13] Senate [12:13] was [12:14] declared [12:14] vacant. [12:15] However, [12:16] because [12:16] at least [12:17] 13 [12:17] is [12:18] needed [12:18] to [12:19] elect [12:19] a new [12:19] Senate [12:20] president, [12:20] they [12:20] were [12:21] unable [12:21] to [12:22] do [12:22] so. [12:22] Hence, [12:23] Gachalian [12:23] is in [12:24] an [12:24] acting [12:25] capacity. [12:26] Aside [12:26] from that, [12:27] a new [12:27] Senate [12:27] secretary [12:28] and [12:28] Senate [12:29] sergeant [12:29] at [12:30] arms [12:30] took [12:30] oath [12:31] today. [12:32] This [12:32] afternoon, [12:33] Senator [12:33] Migg [12:34] Subiri [12:34] became the [12:35] chairperson [12:35] for the [12:36] committee [12:36] on [12:37] rules [12:37] and [12:38] new [12:38] committee [12:38] chairmanships [12:39] were also [12:40] announced. [12:41] JV [12:41] Ejercito [12:42] being the [12:42] new [12:43] chairperson [12:43] for the [12:44] committee [12:44] on [12:44] finance, [12:45] Tito [12:46] Soto [12:46] on [12:46] national [12:47] defense, [12:47] Ping [12:49] Lakson [12:49] became [12:50] the [12:50] chairperson [12:51] for [12:51] committee [12:52] on [12:52] public [12:52] order [12:53] and [12:53] committee [12:54] on [12:54] accounts. [12:55] Erwin [12:55] Tulfo [12:56] now [12:57] heads [12:57] the [12:57] Senate [12:58] Blue [12:58] Ribbon [12:58] Committee [12:59] or the [12:59] Committee [13:00] on [13:00] accountability [13:01] of [13:02] public [13:02] officers [13:03] and [13:03] investigations [13:04] as well [13:05] as the [13:05] Committee [13:05] on [13:06] social [13:06] welfare [13:06] and [13:07] rural [13:07] development. [13:08] Aside [13:09] from [13:09] that, [13:09] Senator [13:10] Rafi [13:10] Tulfo [13:11] is now [13:12] the [13:12] committee [13:12] chairperson [13:13] for [13:14] public [13:15] services. [13:16] Senator [13:16] Bam [13:17] Aquino [13:17] on [13:18] basic [13:18] education, [13:19] Kiko [13:19] Pangilinan [13:20] is now [13:21] the [13:21] chairperson [13:21] for [13:22] committee [13:22] on [13:22] agriculture, [13:23] Risa [13:24] Honteveros [13:24] on [13:25] health, [13:25] Lito [13:26] Lapid [13:26] on [13:27] games [13:27] and [13:27] amusements, [13:29] Senator [13:29] Cheez [13:29] Escudero [13:30] on [13:30] housing, [13:31] and [13:31] Senator [13:31] Migs [13:32] Sobiri [13:32] on [13:33] committee [13:33] on [13:34] foreign [13:34] relations. [13:35] Acting [13:36] Senate [13:36] President [13:36] and [13:37] Senate [13:37] President [13:38] Pro [13:38] Tempore [13:38] Winn [13:39] Gachalian [13:39] said [13:40] after [13:40] the [13:41] Senate [13:41] President, [13:42] former [13:42] Senate [13:43] President [13:43] Alan [13:44] Peter [13:44] Cayetano [13:45] did not [13:45] arrive, [13:46] they were [13:47] compelled to [13:48] call the [13:48] session [13:48] to order. [13:50] Later on, [13:50] the first [13:51] regular [13:51] session of [13:52] the [13:52] 20th [13:53] Congress [13:53] was [13:54] adjourned [13:54] si [13:55] Nidye. [13:55] Bill? [13:57] Bill, [13:57] just one [13:58] question. [13:58] Did we [13:59] see this [14:00] coming [14:00] today? [14:01] You're [14:01] there at [14:02] the [14:02] Senate [14:02] the entire [14:03] day. [14:03] May [14:04] mga [14:04] bulong-bulungan [14:05] na ba [14:05] na may [14:06] ganitong [14:06] shake-up [14:07] na mangyayari [14:08] ngayong [14:08] hapon? [14:08] Because [14:08] at least [14:09] from my [14:10] end, [14:10] ang inabangan [14:11] lamang [14:11] natin [14:12] kanina [14:12] ay kung [14:12] magkakaroon [14:13] ba [14:13] ng [14:13] sesyon [14:14] ngayong [14:14] hapon [14:14] at paano [14:15] yun? [14:15] Since [14:15] this [14:15] is the [14:16] last [14:16] session [14:17] day [14:17] na rin [14:18] ng [14:18] Senado, [14:19] so [14:19] what [14:19] happens [14:20] if [14:26] the [14:26] entire [14:28] day [14:29] that [14:29] this [14:29] would [14:29] happen? [14:31] You know what [14:31] Neil, [14:31] the entire [14:32] day, [14:33] hindi [14:33] talaga [14:33] walang [14:34] idea [14:34] na ganito [14:35] yung [14:35] magiging [14:35] kaganapan [14:36] sa [14:36] Senate [14:37] at [14:37] sabi [14:37] nga [14:37] din [14:38] ni [14:38] Sen. [14:39] Irwin [14:39] Tulfo [14:39] sa [14:39] kanyang [14:40] briefing [14:40] kanina [14:41] maging [14:41] sila [14:42] ay [14:42] nagulat [14:43] dito [14:43] sa [14:43] pagdating [14:44] ni [14:44] Sen. [14:45] Cheez [14:45] Escudero. [14:46] Kanina [14:46] din [14:46] Neil, [14:47] nag-live [14:47] ang [14:48] Sen. [14:49] President [14:49] Alan [14:51] Peter [14:51] Cayetano [14:52] at [14:52] wala [14:52] din siyang [14:53] nabanggit [14:53] tungkol [14:54] dun [14:54] sa [14:54] pagdalo [14:55] dito [14:55] sa [14:56] session [14:56] ngayong [14:57] araw. [14:57] Kaya [14:57] nga [14:58] hanggang [14:58] ilang [14:58] minuto [14:59] bago [14:59] magsimula [15:00] yung [15:00] alas [15:01] tres [15:01] kanina [15:02] ay [15:02] hindi [15:02] talaga [15:03] alam [15:03] ng [15:04] mga [15:04] tao [15:04] na [15:04] ganito [15:05] yung [15:05] mga [15:05] magiging [15:06] takbo [15:07] ng [15:07] kaganapan [15:08] dito [15:08] sa [15:08] Senado. [15:10] Kasi [15:10] kanina [15:11] nga [15:11] Bell, [15:11] he [15:12] was [15:12] welcomed [15:13] with [15:13] applause [15:14] nung pumasok [15:14] siya [15:15] doon [15:15] sa [15:15] session [15:16] kanina. [15:17] If I [15:18] may [15:18] read [15:18] and [15:18] we [15:18] have [15:18] a [15:18] copy [15:19] here [15:19] of [15:19] the [15:19] statement [15:20] of [15:20] Sen. [15:20] Francis [15:21] Escudero [15:22] sabi niya [15:22] the current [15:23] impasse [15:23] in the [15:24] Senate [15:24] is [15:24] untenable [15:25] and [15:25] unacceptable [15:26] when [15:26] political [15:27] divisions [15:27] become [15:28] too [15:28] extreme [15:28] and [15:28] obstruct [15:29] our [15:29] mandate [15:29] we [15:30] must [15:30] all [15:30] have [15:31] the [15:31] courage [15:31] to [15:31] pause [15:32] gain [15:32] perspective [15:33] reflect [15:33] consider [15:34] and [15:34] realize [15:35] that [15:35] we [15:35] should [15:35] put [15:35] the [15:36] Senate [15:36] as [15:36] the [15:36] institution [15:37] that [15:37] we [15:37] serve [15:38] above [15:38] ourselves [15:39] this [15:39] is [15:40] not [15:40] a [15:40] political [15:40] contest [15:41] I [15:41] am [15:41] taking [15:42] sides [15:42] I [15:43] am [15:43] taking [15:43] a [15:43] stand [15:44] for [15:44] the [15:44] Senate [15:44] my [15:45] allegiance [15:45] is [15:46] not [15:46] only [15:46] to [15:46] any [15:47] faction [15:47] personality [15:48] group [15:48] or [15:49] alliance [15:49] this [15:49] is [15:49] not [15:50] about [15:50] loyalty [15:50] betrayal [15:52] or [15:53] choosing [15:53] one [15:53] group [15:54] over [15:54] the [15:54] other [15:54] this [15:55] is [15:55] about [15:55] duty [15:55] hindi [15:56] ito [15:56] usaping [15:57] pampolitika [15:58] wala akong [15:59] sinasamahan [15:59] o iniiwang [16:00] grupo [16:00] pangkat [16:01] o [16:01] paksyon [16:02] hindi [16:02] ko [16:12] ang [16:12] mismong [16:13] kakayahan [16:13] ng [16:13] senado [16:14] na [16:14] gampanan [16:14] ang [16:15] kanyang [16:15] tungkulin [16:16] sa [16:16] bayan [16:16] ito [16:17] ang [16:17] rason [16:17] at [16:17] dahilan [16:18] ng [16:18] aking [16:18] pasya [16:18] ngayong [16:19] araw [16:19] na ito [16:19] hinihiling [16:20] ko [16:20] ang [16:20] inyong [16:21] pagunawa [16:21] sa [16:22] amin [16:22] kasabay [16:23] ng [16:23] inyong [16:23] panalangin [16:24] para [16:24] sa [16:24] inyong [16:24] senado [16:25] na [16:25] malampasan [16:26] ang [16:26] hamon [16:26] na ito [16:27] at [16:27] patuloy [16:28] na [16:28] magampanan [16:28] namin [16:29] ang [16:29] aming [16:29] tungkulin [16:30] sa [16:30] inyo [16:30] at [16:31] sa [16:31] sambayanan [16:32] again [16:32] what [16:32] i [16:32] just [16:32] read [16:33] was [16:33] the [16:33] statement [16:34] of [16:34] senator [16:35] francis [16:36] escudero [16:37] thank you [16:37] so much [16:38] for your [16:38] report [16:39] we'll [16:39] continue [16:40] to [16:40] wait [16:41] for [16:41] the [16:41] developments [16:41] over there [16:42] at [16:43] the [16:43] senate [16:43] also [16:44] joining [16:44] us [16:45] this [16:45] afternoon [16:45] today [16:45] sect [16:46] what [16:46] happened [16:46] here [16:47] in [16:47] the [16:47] senate [16:47] the [16:47] implications [16:48] of [16:48] the [16:48] leadership [16:49] change [16:49] and [16:50] how [16:51] it [16:52] places [16:52] within [16:53] the [16:53] other [16:53] events [16:54] that [16:54] we [16:54] are [16:54] expecting [16:55] to [16:55] happen [16:55] over [16:55] at [16:55] the [16:56] senate [16:56] such [16:56] as [16:57] the [16:57] impeachment [16:57] trial [16:58] of [16:58] vice [16:58] president [16:58] Duterte [16:59] also [16:59] the [17:00] looming [17:00] 2028 [17:00] national [17:01] elections [17:02] joining [17:02] us [17:03] in [17:03] the [17:03] program [17:03] is [17:04] a [17:04] UPD [17:04] Liman [17:04] political [17:05] science [17:05] professor [17:06] Ejina [17:06] Franco [17:06] professor [17:07] Jean [17:07] good [17:07] afternoon [17:08] hi [17:09] good [17:09] afternoon [17:10] Neil [17:10] good [17:11] afternoon [17:11] to [17:12] the [17:12] listeners [17:13] and [17:13] viewers [17:14] of [17:14] your [17:14] program [17:15] my [17:16] question [17:17] how did [17:20] this [17:20] happen [17:21] i mean [17:21] we don't [17:22] know [17:22] we don't [17:24] know [17:24] yet [17:25] no [17:25] how [17:25] the [17:26] behind [17:28] the [17:28] scenes [17:29] but [17:29] personally [17:30] I [17:30] didn't [17:31] see [17:31] this [17:32] today [17:32] will [17:33] happen [17:33] today [17:34] of course [17:35] there's [17:35] also [17:36] the [17:36] odd [17:36] layer [17:37] it [17:38] was [17:38] Jesus [17:39] who [17:39] decided [17:40] to [17:40] attend [17:41] the [17:41] session [17:42] this [17:43] afternoon [17:43] and [17:43] give [17:44] to [17:45] reach [17:45] that [17:45] quorum [17:46] to [17:46] vacate [17:47] all [17:48] the [17:48] positions [17:49] over [17:49] at [17:50] the [17:50] Senate [17:50] so [17:50] what [17:51] you [17:51] read [17:51] here [17:52] what [17:52] happened [17:52] today [17:52] to [17:53] Senado [17:53] Professor [17:54] Jean [17:54] I [17:55] think [17:56] the [17:56] advantage [17:57] of [17:57] the [17:58] former [17:59] minority [18:00] and [18:01] now [18:01] majority [18:03] is [18:04] because [18:04] they [18:04] have [18:04] two [18:05] veteran [18:05] senators [18:06] Tito [18:07] Soto [18:08] and [18:08] Ping [18:09] Lakson [18:09] who [18:10] are [18:11] knowledgeable [18:11] about [18:12] presidents [18:13] and [18:13] the [18:14] rules [18:14] of the [18:15] Senate [18:15] and [18:15] that [18:16] is [18:16] why [18:16] as [18:18] you [18:18] can [18:18] see [18:18] they [18:18] already [18:19] have [18:19] some [18:19] form [18:20] of [18:20] a [18:20] template [18:20] and [18:21] they [18:22] already [18:22] know [18:23] how [18:23] to [18:24] maneuver [18:24] when [18:26] Senator [18:28] Chis [18:28] Escudero [18:29] entered [18:30] the [18:30] plenary [18:31] Professor [18:33] Jean [18:34] so [18:35] what does [18:36] it say [18:36] ngayon [18:37] about [18:37] the [18:38] Senate [18:38] of course [18:39] ang sinasabi [18:40] ng ating [18:40] mga [18:40] senador [18:41] ito [18:41] even [18:41] sa binasa [18:42] nating [18:42] statement [18:43] ni [18:43] Senator [18:44] Chis [18:45] Escudero [18:46] sinasabi [18:47] niya [18:47] it's not [18:47] about [18:47] politics [18:48] it's [18:48] about [18:48] restoring [18:49] the [18:49] Senate [18:50] doing [18:50] the [18:50] duty [18:51] ng [18:51] ating [18:51] senado [18:52] wala [18:52] siyang [18:52] kinakampihan [18:53] so [18:54] does [18:55] this [18:56] change [18:56] yung [18:57] tingin [18:58] ng [18:58] mga [18:58] tao [18:58] sa [18:59] senado [19:00] and [19:00] gaano [19:01] po [19:01] siguro [19:01] with [19:02] all [19:02] due [19:02] respect [19:03] sa [19:03] ating [19:03] mga [19:03] senador [19:03] gaano [19:04] kasincere [19:05] yung [19:06] this [19:06] is [19:06] about [19:06] really [19:07] restoring [19:08] the [19:08] duty [19:09] of [19:10] the [19:10] Senate [19:10] tama [19:12] tama [19:12] kano [19:12] I [19:13] think [19:14] it's [19:15] not [19:16] that [19:16] easy [19:16] to [19:18] sort [19:18] of [19:19] overhaul [19:22] the [19:22] image [19:23] of [19:24] the [19:25] Senate [19:26] or [19:26] what [19:27] has [19:27] become [19:28] of it [19:28] in [19:29] the [19:29] past [19:29] two [19:30] or [19:31] three [19:31] weeks [19:31] but [19:33] I [19:34] hope [19:34] it's [19:36] a [19:36] start [19:36] today [19:37] is [19:37] a [19:38] start [19:38] kasi [19:39] in [19:39] the [19:40] long [19:40] run [19:40] masyado [19:41] nang [19:41] untenable [19:42] kasi [19:43] they [19:43] will [19:44] already [19:44] be [19:44] violating [19:45] the [19:45] Constitution [19:46] they've [19:46] already [19:47] violated [19:47] the [19:48] rules [19:49] of [19:49] the [19:49] Senate [19:49] and [19:50] because [19:52] what [19:53] happened [19:53] in the [19:54] past [19:54] at [19:55] the [19:56] very least [19:56] yung [19:56] two [19:56] days [19:57] na [19:57] lang [19:57] ay [19:57] napaka [19:58] unprecedented [19:58] it [19:59] created [20:01] a lot [20:01] of [20:01] uncertainties [20:02] that [20:03] the [20:03] country [20:04] cannot [20:04] afford [20:04] at [20:04] this [20:05] time [20:05] especially [20:06] that [20:07] there [20:07] is [20:07] a [20:07] looming [20:08] impeachment [20:08] trial [20:09] the [20:10] country [20:10] is [20:10] reeling [20:11] from [20:11] the [20:11] effects [20:12] of [20:12] the [20:12] oil [20:13] price [20:14] crisis [20:14] there [20:15] are [20:15] lots [20:15] of [20:16] legislative [20:16] measures [20:17] in the [20:18] offing [20:18] that [20:19] the [20:19] country [20:20] badly [20:21] needs [20:21] so [20:22] I [20:23] could [20:24] understand [20:24] the [20:24] pressure [20:25] on [20:26] some [20:26] senators [20:27] who [20:27] do not [20:28] want to [20:29] be blamed [20:29] for [20:29] this [20:30] what [20:32] does [20:33] it [20:33] say [20:33] about [20:34] senator [20:34] alan [20:35] peter [20:36] kayatano [20:37] of [20:37] course [20:37] now [20:38] vacated [20:38] na [20:38] yung [20:38] mga [20:38] posisyon [20:39] so [20:39] technically [20:40] he's [20:40] no [20:40] longer [20:41] the [20:41] senate [20:41] president [20:42] but [20:42] what [20:42] happens [20:43] now [20:43] to [20:44] senator [20:44] kayatano [20:45] well [20:47] if [20:47] I [20:47] were [20:48] him [20:48] I [20:48] will [20:48] resign [20:49] as [20:49] senate [20:49] president [20:50] because [20:52] it [20:53] already [20:53] shows [20:54] that [20:55] you [20:56] know [20:57] while [20:57] he [20:57] has [20:57] the [20:58] numbers [20:58] he [20:59] no [20:59] longer [20:59] is [21:00] in [21:00] control [21:01] of [21:01] the [21:01] resigning [21:01] because [21:02] of [21:02] what [21:02] happened [21:03] today [21:03] but [21:04] now [21:04] no [21:05] parang [21:05] wala [21:05] na [21:05] even [21:05] the [21:06] option [21:06] of [21:06] resigning [21:07] is [21:08] no [21:08] longer [21:08] with [21:08] him [21:08] because [21:09] it [21:10] was a [21:26] very [21:26] short [21:27] leadership [21:29] how [21:40] does he [21:41] move forward [21:42] from [21:43] everything [21:43] that happened [21:44] well [21:46] I don't know [21:48] what is [21:49] in his [21:49] mind [21:49] right now [21:50] you know [21:51] the only [21:52] way to [21:52] find out [21:53] is to [21:53] monitor [21:54] his [21:54] FB [21:56] live [21:56] performances [21:58] but then [21:58] you know [21:59] I think [22:00] the important [22:00] thing [22:01] is to [22:01] move [22:02] forward [22:02] and [22:03] you know [22:04] if he [22:05] does not [22:05] resign [22:06] it's [22:06] untenable [22:07] it [22:09] all the [22:10] more [22:10] tells us [22:11] that he [22:11] is [22:11] a king [22:12] without [22:13] a kingdom [22:13] with what [22:15] happened [22:16] today [22:17] I [22:19] think [22:19] even [22:21] if [22:21] he [22:21] still [22:22] enjoys [22:22] support [22:24] from [22:25] you know [22:26] from [22:27] a majority [22:27] of the [22:28] senators [22:28] then [22:29] it's [22:32] going to [22:32] be very [22:32] difficult [22:33] for him [22:33] so [22:34] hindi ko [22:35] alam [22:35] paano [22:36] niya [22:36] imamaneuver [22:37] and [22:38] if [22:38] he [22:39] wants [22:40] to [22:40] have [22:40] some [22:41] form [22:41] of [22:41] respectability [22:43] and [22:44] integrity [22:45] I think [22:46] the [22:46] honorable [22:47] thing [22:47] to do [22:47] is to [22:48] resign [22:48] I want [22:50] to look [22:50] at the [22:50] discourse [22:51] on social [22:51] media [22:52] yung [22:52] mensahe [22:53] yung [22:53] narrative [22:54] na pinupush [22:55] ng dalawang [22:56] kampo [22:57] especially [22:58] online [22:58] it's very [22:59] interesting [23:00] if you look [23:00] at it [23:01] you mentioned [23:01] kanina [23:02] the [23:03] Facebook [23:03] live [23:04] performances [23:05] may mga [23:05] ganyan [23:05] ito [23:06] because [23:06] I agree [23:08] with you [23:08] professor [23:09] yung [23:09] the social [23:11] media [23:11] circle [23:12] yung social [23:12] media [23:13] space [23:13] now [23:14] is a [23:14] totally [23:14] different [23:15] and totally [23:15] new [23:16] focus [23:18] talaga [23:18] ngayon [23:18] ng ating [23:19] mga [23:19] politicians [23:20] but [23:21] first [23:23] doon [23:23] muna [23:23] sa sinasabi [23:24] ni [23:24] former [23:26] SP [23:27] Alan [23:27] Peter [23:27] Cayetano [23:28] na [23:28] it was [23:28] the [23:29] minority [23:29] that [23:29] started [23:30] this [23:30] it was [23:30] the [23:30] walkout [23:31] that [23:31] triggered [23:32] itong [23:32] absence [23:34] or [23:36] no show [23:37] naman [23:37] boycott [23:39] sa mga [23:40] sesyon [23:40] ngayong [23:40] minggo [23:41] how [23:41] valid [23:44] was [23:44] that [23:44] argument [23:44] it's [23:46] not [23:47] valid [23:47] at [23:47] all [23:48] because [23:48] we [23:49] are [23:49] speaking [23:49] here [23:50] of [23:50] two [23:50] different [23:50] contexts [23:51] the [23:52] walk [23:52] out [23:52] of [23:53] the [23:53] minority [23:53] was [23:54] a [23:55] walk [23:55] out [23:55] meaning [23:56] to [23:56] say [23:56] they [23:57] went [23:58] to [23:58] the [23:58] plenary [23:59] but [24:00] then [24:00] they [24:01] disagreed [24:02] with [24:02] what [24:03] the [24:03] then [24:03] majority [24:04] was [24:04] trying [24:05] to [24:05] maneuver [24:08] in terms [24:09] of [24:10] the [24:11] rules [24:11] on [24:11] remote [24:12] voting [24:12] and [24:13] they [24:14] disagreed [24:14] with [24:15] it [24:15] so [24:15] they [24:16] had [24:16] to [24:16] walk [24:16] out [24:17] but [24:17] then [24:17] the [24:18] past [24:18] two [24:18] days [24:19] this [24:21] is a [24:22] different [24:22] scenario [24:22] mainly [24:23] because [24:23] the [24:25] senators [24:25] did [24:25] not [24:26] hold [24:27] sessions [24:28] at [24:28] all [24:28] they [24:29] did [24:29] not [24:30] inform [24:30] the [24:30] minority [24:31] nor [24:32] the [24:32] majority [24:32] they [24:33] did [24:33] not [24:33] they [24:35] were [24:36] on the [24:37] verge [24:37] of [24:37] violating [24:38] the [24:40] rules [24:41] or in [24:42] fact [24:42] they [24:43] were [24:43] on the [24:44] verge [24:44] of [24:44] being [24:45] in [24:45] the [24:46] center [24:46] of [24:46] a [24:47] constitutional [24:47] crisis [24:48] and [24:49] so [24:50] it's [24:50] much [24:52] more [24:52] grave [24:52] in [24:54] that [24:54] sense [24:55] and [24:56] the [24:57] continued [24:58] performances [24:59] of [25:00] Alan [25:01] Peter [25:01] Cayetano [25:02] on [25:02] Facebook [25:03] is [25:03] also [25:03] unfair [25:04] given [25:05] that [25:06] he [25:07] is [25:07] elected [25:08] as [25:09] the [25:09] leader [25:09] of [25:09] a [25:10] deliberative [25:10] chamber [25:11] and [25:12] in [25:12] a [25:12] deliberative [25:13] chamber [25:13] you [25:16] have [25:16] to [25:17] speak [25:17] you [25:17] have [25:18] to [25:18] express [25:18] what's [25:19] on [25:19] your [25:19] mind [25:20] you [25:20] have [25:21] to [25:21] tell [25:22] your [25:22] colleagues [25:22] about [25:23] your [25:23] arguments [25:24] but [25:24] they [25:25] can [25:25] also [25:25] question [25:25] you [25:26] the [25:26] problem [25:27] with [25:27] appearing [25:29] on [25:30] Facebook [25:30] is [25:31] that [25:31] you [25:31] cannot [25:31] be [25:32] questioned [25:32] you [25:33] have [25:34] control [25:34] over [25:35] the [25:35] political [25:35] space [25:36] and [25:37] that's [25:39] not [25:40] really [25:40] moving [25:43] forward [25:44] no [25:44] that's [25:44] not [25:45] a [25:46] step [25:47] moving [25:47] forward [25:48] mainly [25:48] because [25:49] you [25:49] will [25:49] just [25:50] be [25:50] entertaining [25:51] responses [25:52] via [25:53] Facebook [25:54] or [25:54] interviews [25:55] from [25:55] your [25:56] other [25:57] colleagues [25:57] professor [25:59] gene [25:59] another [25:59] discourse [26:00] dito [26:01] naman [26:01] especially [26:01] ito [26:02] sa mga [26:02] supporters [26:03] ng [26:03] former [26:03] majority [26:04] basically [26:05] the [26:05] supporters [26:05] of [26:06] the [26:06] camp [26:06] of [26:07] Alan [26:08] Peter [26:08] Cayetano [26:09] so [26:09] sabi [26:10] naman [26:10] nila [26:10] and [26:10] even [26:11] SP [26:12] Cayetano [26:12] former [26:13] SP [26:13] Cayetano [26:13] was [26:14] saying [26:14] this [26:14] parang [26:15] may [26:15] nangyaring [26:15] panggigipit [26:16] eh [26:16] he [26:18] mentioned [26:18] itong [26:19] pagkakaarresto [26:21] kay [26:22] Senator [26:22] Jingo [26:22] Estrada [26:23] we [26:23] are [26:23] we [26:23] all [26:23] know [26:24] yung [26:24] mga [26:24] pending [26:25] kaso [26:26] ngayon [26:26] yung [26:26] iba [26:27] pang [26:27] miyembro [26:27] noong [26:28] majority [26:29] so [26:29] former [26:31] majority [26:31] so [26:32] ano po [26:32] masasabi [26:32] nyo [26:32] naman [26:33] doon [26:33] naman [26:33] sa [26:34] issue [26:34] at [26:34] naratibo [26:35] na [26:36] pinupush [26:36] na [26:36] binigipit [26:38] yung [26:38] bating [26:39] majority [26:39] well [26:40] um [26:41] it's [26:43] a [26:44] valid [26:44] speculation [26:46] but [26:47] until [26:48] we [26:48] have [26:49] evidence [26:51] to [26:51] that [26:51] effect [26:52] then [26:52] it's [26:52] difficult [26:53] to [26:54] to [26:54] say [26:55] that [26:56] that [26:56] is [26:56] true [26:56] categorically [26:57] but [26:58] I [26:59] must [26:59] say [27:00] that [27:00] this [27:00] is [27:00] something [27:01] that [27:01] has [27:02] happened [27:02] in [27:03] the [27:03] past [27:03] backroom [27:04] deals [27:05] horse [27:05] trading [27:06] but [27:07] then [27:07] in [27:08] this [27:08] case [27:09] the [27:10] investigations [27:11] on [27:11] on [27:13] these [27:13] particular [27:14] senators [27:15] have [27:15] happened [27:16] even [27:17] before [27:17] this [27:18] leadership [27:18] change [27:19] that's [27:20] one [27:20] and [27:20] secondly [27:20] we [27:21] can [27:21] also [27:21] say [27:22] that [27:22] the [27:22] administration [27:23] is [27:24] also [27:25] under [27:25] tremendous [27:26] pressure [27:26] to [27:27] arrest [27:30] the [27:30] big [27:30] fish [27:31] and [27:32] so [27:32] we [27:33] can [27:33] also [27:33] say [27:33] that [27:34] why [27:34] will [27:35] they [27:35] negotiate [27:36] if [27:37] they [27:37] think [27:37] that [27:38] in [27:38] the [27:38] run [27:38] up [27:38] to [27:39] the [27:39] sauna [27:39] they [27:40] have [27:40] to [27:40] have [27:40] some [27:41] form [27:41] of [27:41] evidence [27:42] that [27:42] they're [27:43] holding [27:43] people [27:44] accountable [27:44] I mean [27:46] nabasa [27:47] kong [27:47] post [27:47] on [27:47] social [27:48] media [27:48] professor [27:49] Gino [27:49] it might [27:51] have been [27:51] better [27:51] for [27:52] the [27:52] now [27:53] majority [27:53] na [27:54] hayaan [27:54] na [27:54] self [27:55] destruct [27:55] yung [27:56] old [27:56] majority [27:57] rather than [27:57] trying [27:58] to take [27:58] the [27:58] leadership [27:59] back [27:59] to [28:00] their [28:00] side [28:00] so [28:01] and [28:01] we [28:02] see [28:02] now [28:02] na [28:03] nangyari [28:03] nga [28:03] nakuha nila [28:05] ulit [28:05] yung [28:05] leadership [28:06] do you [28:07] think [28:07] it [28:07] would [28:07] have [28:07] been [28:08] better [28:08] for [28:08] them [28:09] to [28:09] just [28:09] wait [28:09] for [28:09] the [28:10] old [28:11] rather [28:12] than [28:12] push [28:12] for [28:13] leadership [28:15] yeah [28:16] you [28:17] are [28:17] correct [28:17] and [28:18] I [28:18] think [28:18] that's [28:21] I [28:22] think [28:22] that's [28:22] what [28:23] they [28:23] were [28:23] trying [28:24] to [28:24] do [28:24] except [28:24] for [28:25] the [28:26] you [28:27] know [28:28] what [28:28] happened [28:28] the [28:28] past [28:29] two [28:29] days [28:29] that [28:30] the [28:30] you [28:31] know [28:31] the [28:31] camp [28:31] of [28:32] senate [28:32] president [28:33] Cayetano [28:33] did [28:34] not [28:34] appear [28:35] so [28:36] in [28:36] effect [28:37] the [28:38] camp [28:39] of [28:39] senator [28:40] Peter [28:40] Alan [28:41] Peter [28:41] Cayetano [28:42] were [28:42] the [28:42] ones [28:43] who [28:43] self [28:43] destructed [28:45] because [28:46] it's [28:48] no [28:48] longer [28:48] viable [28:49] for [28:49] most [28:51] people [28:51] I [28:52] would [28:52] think [28:53] in [28:53] the [28:53] way [28:54] that [28:54] it [28:55] is [28:55] being [28:55] framed [28:55] by [28:56] the [28:56] camp [28:57] of [28:57] Tito [28:58] Soto [28:58] and [28:58] others [28:59] is [28:59] that [29:00] the [29:00] camp [29:02] of [29:02] senate [29:02] president [29:03] Cayetano [29:04] is [29:04] actually [29:05] holding [29:06] hostage [29:06] vital [29:07] legislative [29:08] measures [29:09] so [29:09] it's [29:10] kind [29:11] of [29:11] putting [29:12] them [29:12] in [29:13] a [29:13] bad [29:13] light [29:14] so [29:14] I [29:15] would [29:15] understand [29:16] why [29:16] senator [29:18] cheese [29:18] escudero [29:19] was [29:20] present [29:21] today [29:21] particularly [29:22] because [29:23] it can [29:25] hurt him [29:27] aside from [29:27] the cases [29:28] that are [29:30] associated [29:31] with him [29:31] Professor [29:33] Jean [29:33] help me [29:34] explain [29:34] sa ating [29:35] mga [29:35] kababayan [29:36] na [29:36] nanonood [29:36] ngayong [29:37] hapon [29:37] bakit [29:38] ba [29:38] importante [29:39] yung [29:40] kung [29:40] nasa [29:40] ang [29:41] side [29:41] yung [29:42] leadership [29:42] kasi [29:43] parang [29:43] the way [29:44] this is [29:45] being [29:45] framed [29:45] by [29:45] some [29:46] individuals [29:47] sabi [29:48] nila [29:48] dahil [29:49] lamang [29:49] sa agawan [29:50] ng [29:50] leadership [29:50] kaya [29:51] nadidelay [29:51] itong [29:52] trabaho [29:52] ng [29:52] senado [29:53] nakakasiputa [29:54] na [29:54] yung [29:55] mga [29:55] pilipino [29:56] na [29:56] apektado [29:56] nung [29:57] mga [29:57] hindi [29:57] na ipapasang [29:58] bills [29:58] nung [29:59] mga [29:59] hearings [29:59] na [29:59] hindi [30:00] nagagawa [30:00] bakit [30:01] ba [30:01] napaka [30:01] importante [30:02] yung [30:02] agawan [30:03] ng [30:03] leadership [30:03] kasi [30:08] deliberative [30:09] body [30:09] ang senado [30:10] ibig sabihin [30:11] may mga [30:12] panukala [30:13] ka [30:13] meron kang [30:13] argumento [30:14] ano yan [30:15] paligsahan [30:16] ng [30:17] kaalaman [30:18] sa rules [30:18] ng [30:19] knowledge [30:20] about [30:21] legislative [30:21] procedure [30:22] at yung [30:23] substance [30:24] ng argumento [30:25] mo [30:25] ngayon [30:26] kung nasa [30:27] mayuria [30:27] ka [30:27] mas may [30:28] control [30:28] ka dyan [30:29] kasi [30:30] may [30:30] schedule [30:30] mo [30:31] halimbawa [30:31] kung [30:32] pet [30:35] bill [30:35] mo [30:35] yun [30:36] ang [30:36] mauunang [30:36] i-discuss [30:37] halimbawa [30:38] at [30:39] na-ensure [30:40] mo [30:40] halimbawa [30:41] na may [30:41] karampatang [30:43] at least [30:43] majority [30:44] support ka [30:45] kapag [30:45] meron kang [30:46] panukalang [30:46] batas [30:47] ngayon [30:48] dahil may [30:48] looming [30:49] impeachment [30:49] trial [30:50] natural [30:50] kung sino [30:51] yung [30:51] presiding [30:51] officer [30:52] merong [30:54] kaukulang [30:55] kapangyarihan [30:56] na [30:57] mamanage [30:57] niya [30:58] yung [30:59] at [31:01] makontrol [31:01] niya [31:01] yung [31:02] yung [31:03] how [31:03] that [31:03] trial [31:04] will [31:04] play [31:05] out [31:05] so [31:08] now [31:08] professor [31:08] Gino [31:09] it's [31:10] difficult [31:10] na [31:11] iwasan [31:12] na [31:12] mapag-usapan [31:13] na [31:13] it [31:14] was [31:14] senator [31:15] cheese [31:16] who [31:17] decided [31:17] to [31:17] attend [31:18] the [31:18] session [31:19] this [31:20] afternoon [31:22] which [31:22] of course [31:23] limp [31:23] dito [31:24] sa [31:24] leadership [31:25] change [31:25] sa [31:26] senado [31:27] difficult [31:29] to [31:29] ignore [31:30] na [31:30] he's [31:31] one [31:31] of [31:31] the [31:31] people [31:32] na [31:32] facing [31:33] possibly [31:33] facing [31:34] later on [31:36] this [31:37] happened [31:37] only a few [31:38] days [31:38] after the [31:39] arrest [31:39] of [31:40] senator [31:40] jingoy [31:41] estrada [31:42] how [31:45] crucial [31:46] is it [31:46] it [31:46] was [31:47] Jesus [31:47] cadero [31:48] na [31:48] nag-flip [31:49] anong [31:49] basa [31:49] nyo [31:49] po [31:50] dito [31:50] well [31:51] ang [31:52] basa [31:53] ko [31:53] ayaw [31:53] na [31:53] niyang [31:53] dumami [31:56] pa [31:56] yung [31:57] mga [31:57] negative [32:00] things [32:00] that [32:03] have been [32:03] associated [32:04] with him [32:04] in the [32:06] media [32:06] so [32:07] tingin ko [32:08] yung [32:09] kampo [32:09] niya [32:10] yung [32:10] kanyang [32:10] mga [32:10] advisors [32:11] sinabi [32:12] kapag [32:13] ginawa [32:14] mo [32:14] ito [32:14] hindi [32:15] naman [32:15] necessarily [32:15] mawawala [32:16] yung [32:16] mga [32:16] kaso [32:17] mo [32:17] pero [32:18] at least [32:18] masasoften [32:19] yung [32:20] kahit [32:22] papano [32:22] yung [32:23] tingin [32:23] sa'yo [32:24] ng [32:24] Filipino [32:25] public [32:26] so [32:27] of course [32:28] nandun [32:28] yung [32:28] alang-alang [32:29] na [32:29] anong [32:30] horse [32:31] trading [32:32] na [32:32] nangyari [32:32] bakit [32:33] siya [32:33] pumunta [32:33] although [32:34] sinasabi [32:35] niya [32:35] dun [32:35] sa [32:35] kanyang [32:35] restatement [32:37] na [32:37] wala [32:37] siyang [32:38] kampong [32:38] kinakampihan [32:39] basta [32:39] sinasabi [32:40] niya [32:40] mali [32:40] ito [32:41] pero [32:41] I don't [32:42] think [32:43] you can [32:44] erase [32:46] or you [32:46] can [32:46] discount [32:47] the possibility [32:48] of [32:49] the public [32:50] speculating [32:53] that [32:53] there [32:55] might [32:55] be [32:56] backroom [32:59] talks [32:59] that have [32:59] happened [33:00] professor [33:02] jene [33:02] you mentioned [33:03] kanina [33:03] napaka [33:04] crucial [33:04] na [33:05] sino [33:05] yung [33:06] nasa [33:06] liderato [33:06] because [33:07] of [33:07] the [33:07] impeachment [33:07] so [33:08] we're [33:08] expecting [33:09] the [33:09] impeachment [33:09] so [33:09] umuusan [33:10] yun [33:10] ngayon [33:10] dito [33:11] sa [33:11] senado [33:12] the [33:13] vice [33:13] president [33:13] just [33:14] gave [33:14] her [33:14] reply [33:15] sa [33:15] impeachment [33:16] articles [33:16] of [33:17] impeachment [33:17] against [33:18] her [33:18] so [33:19] inaantay [33:20] natin [33:20] ngayon [33:20] kung [33:20] kailan [33:21] magre-resume [33:21] yung [33:22] impeachment [33:23] magsisimula [33:24] officially [33:24] itong [33:24] trial [33:25] kailaban [33:26] kay vice [33:26] president [33:27] sara [33:27] duterte [33:27] now [33:28] with [33:28] this [33:29] leadership [33:29] assuming [33:30] na ito [33:30] yung [33:30] leadership [33:30] that [33:31] will [33:31] stick [33:31] entering [33:32] the [33:33] impeachment [33:33] trial [33:33] ano yung [33:35] itsura [33:36] nito [33:36] para [33:36] kay [33:37] vice [33:37] president [33:37] sara [33:38] duterte [33:38] because [33:38] i'm [33:39] assuming [33:39] it [33:39] was [33:40] the [33:40] other [33:40] side [33:41] that [33:41] looks [33:41] more [33:42] favorable [33:42] for her [33:43] but [33:43] with [33:44] this [33:44] new [33:44] structure [33:45] in the [33:45] senate [33:45] how [33:45] does [33:46] this [33:46] impact [33:46] the [33:47] impeachment [33:47] trial [33:47] well [33:48] as [33:49] things [33:50] stand [33:50] now [33:50] senator [33:51] Alan [33:53] Peter [33:54] Cayetano [33:54] is still [33:55] the senate [33:55] president [33:56] win [33:58] gachalian [33:58] is just [33:59] is the [34:00] senate [34:01] president [34:01] pro [34:02] temporary [34:02] so [34:03] he is [34:04] just [34:05] acting [34:05] senate [34:06] president [34:07] so [34:08] on [34:08] july [34:08] 6 [34:09] Alan [34:11] Peter [34:11] Cayetano [34:12] will [34:12] still [34:12] be [34:12] the [34:13] presiding [34:13] officer [34:15] as far [34:15] as i [34:16] know [34:16] unless [34:17] i don't [34:18] know [34:18] the [34:19] time [34:19] the [34:20] trial [34:20] will [34:20] be [34:22] conducted [34:23] unless [34:23] they [34:25] have [34:26] a [34:26] session [34:26] the [34:27] morning [34:28] before [34:28] that [34:28] or [34:30] unless [34:30] he [34:31] resigns [34:32] so [34:32] that [34:33] that [34:33] we [34:36] can [34:36] wait [34:36] and [34:36] see [34:37] professor [34:38] jean [34:39] know [34:39] I [34:40] know [34:40] I [34:41] know [34:42] I [34:43] know [34:44] if you [34:45] can [34:45] allow [34:45] us [34:46] we [34:47] have [34:47] now [34:47] the [34:47] statement [34:48] of [34:49] Alan [34:50] Peter [34:51] let's [34:52] watch [34:53] this [34:53] is [35:25] But God gives the solution. The last few weeks, there was a man-made crisis by the minority in cooperation with some people in the administration by them trying to undermine the leadership of the Senate at pinapalabas ng magulo ang Senado. [35:46] Pero mas magigat po ang usapin natin ngayon. Bakit po? Dahil may tanong po tayo. Una, has Philippine democracy died again? Pangalawang tanong, binasura po ba ang Philippine Constitution? Bakit po po ito tinatanong? Simple po. [36:07] Ang nakalagay sa Constitution ng Pilipinas, pwedeng magkonduct ng business ang Senado by a majority of all its members. Ang majority po ng 24 ay 13 po. 13 po ang numero. [36:27] Yung sinasabi po nilang kaso, yung po ay ibang-iba. Nag-adjourn po kami nung nag-walk out sila. So that means they have to call the roll at kailangan 13. [36:38] Yung ginabagay din ng kaso po, nahamon ko lahat ng abogado. It is not applicable. Kasi doon po, tuloy-tuloy yung sesyo. [36:49] I-legal, tapos sinabing may continuing forum po sila. Tayo po, malinaw na malinaw sa records, ay nag-adjourn last Tuesday at sinabi na tayo ay muling mag-re-resume ng alas 5 noong lunes. [37:07] So, what is the point of going through this? The question we have to ask ourselves is that, is the Constitution ba a piece of paper to this administration? [37:21] Has the judiciary ceased to function? Wala na ba ang Senado? Yun na po ba ang pananaw ng ating administrasyon? [37:31] Ang tingin ba po ng labing dalawang Senador ay basta't kakampi mo ang Malacanang ay wala nang batas? [37:40] Kung titignan niyo po ang Rule 1 and 2 ng Senado na ayon ito sa Philippine Constitution, [37:47] para i-elect ang Senate President at ang Senate President Pro Tempore, ay kailangan po labing tatlo. [37:55] So, paano po nila alisin si Sen. Laurent Legarda kung 12 lang po sila? [38:02] At mapapakita po sa inyo na gusto nilang i-control ang premises ng Senado at gusto po nilang hindi mag-hearing ang Blue-ray board committee bukas [38:12] sapagkat ay dinasa po nilang rule para magkaroon po ng acting Senado President. [38:19] Kailan po ba pwede magkaroon ng acting Senado President? Babasahin po po sa inyo yung rule. [38:23] So, ito ay yung Facebook Live ni Sen. President, the former Sen. President, ah no, not former, still. [38:31] The Sen. President Alan Peter Cayetano kanina. [38:34] Basically, you can hear, sinasabi niya na he's questioning the legality noong naging kudeta sa Senado. [38:43] Ang pagkakasabi pa niya dito, he is still the legitimate, legal, and moral Sen. President. [38:48] So, how are we going to settle this? Especially now na naka-adjourn na itong Senado? [38:58] Well, I'm thinking probably a lawyer or some groups of people might actually elevate this to the Supreme Court. [39:10] Or maybe the camp of Sen. President Alan Peter Cayetano may actually elevate this to the Supreme Court [39:17] if this is the case, no, that they are refusing to consider what has transpired as legal, no? [39:24] There are still so many questions, Professor Jean, because even in that Facebook Live, [39:28] sinasabi ni Sen. Cayetano na tuloy pa rin yung Blue Ribbon hearing scheduled tomorrow, [39:35] the one that was supposedly led by Sen. Pia Cayetano. [39:39] Pero ang sabi naman ni Sen. Erwin Tulfo na bagong Blue Ribbon hearing chair kanina ay sa June 8 na, [39:46] yung bagong schedule. [39:48] So, paano mangyayari ito? [39:51] Ito yung mga immediate na questions. [39:54] Mas bukas na itong pinag-uusapan natin. [39:56] Yeah, I am not so sure how it will happen given that a new Senate Secretary has been appointed or elected today [40:11] and a new Sergeant at Arms has also been elected today. [40:17] So, these are two elected officials of the body of the Senate as a political institution. [40:24] So, and they're tasked, no, in the day-to-day activities of the Senators in the Senate. [40:32] So, we don't know to what extent they will help or not help implement the hearing tomorrow of the Blue Ribbon of Marcoleta. [40:46] Now, moving forward, no? [40:49] Of course, I don't think anyone here would say na gusto natin ay hindi matuloy. [40:54] Of course, we want na matuloy yung maibalik yung operasyon ng mga ating mga senador. [41:02] Again, affected na. Maraming na affected na ang Pilipino. [41:06] Supposedly, may schedule na hearing, hindi na tutuloy yung mga guests na patasasyon, hindi na na-accommodate. [41:12] So, did we really achieve, siguro? [41:16] Of course, I guess only time will tell, but for you, Professor G, do you think na with the leadership change, [41:23] this could really be the start of something new for the Senate? [41:28] Something better, hopefully, for the Senate? [41:29] Yeah, but unless Senate President Alan Peter Cayetano resigns, then it's still going to be chaotic. [41:41] Yeah, because he still remains the Senate President, and another drama will, I think, unfold tomorrow in the Senate [41:51] if they insist on conducting the Blue Ribbon Committee hearing. [41:57] Some people are pointing out on social media yung parang emotional na appeal nitong old majority natin. [42:09] Talk about the camp, Alan Peter Cayetano, nakita natin, of course, the reaction of Senator Pia during that one session [42:18] after the shooting incident at the Senate, and then nakita natin, pag-arresto kay Senator Jim Coy, [42:24] we saw the reaction of Senator Camille Giniar, I mean Marcos. [42:28] So, what do you read dito sa ganitong klaseng approach ng ating ilang mga senagot? [42:35] Yeah, kasi, ano eh, it's a good strategy for their political base, mainly because emotions are also very political. [42:45] People just don't react to certain issues based on their cognitive biases or their cognitive abilities. [42:58] They also react emotionally, and emotions are very powerful in moving people, in convincing people [43:07] about the quality of your argument or whether they will support or not your opinions or your moves. [43:16] Professor Jean, yung Malacanang naglabas na ng reaction, let's watch this reaction nila dito sa Leadership Shake-Up, diyan sa Senado. [43:26] Magandang araw, Malacanang Press Corps. May mahalagang mensahe po ang palasyo. [43:32] Ang nangyari sa Senado ngayong hapon ay naaayon sa batas at rule of law. [43:37] Kinikilala at niririspeto ng palasyo ang desisyon ng bagong mayorya at ang liderato ni Acting Senate President Shervin Gatchalian. [43:49] Maraming salamat. [43:49] We have right there yung reaksyon ng Executive Department, of course. [43:57] Napakalinaw na independent bodies itong executive at legislative branches natin. [44:02] But I think, hindi naman tayo baguhan na. [44:06] Alam natin na may mga political na galawan yan sa likod, behind the scenes. [44:11] Your read on this, Professor Jean, do you think kumumpas po ba ang Malacanang dito sa nangyari sa Senado? [44:20] It's difficult to speculate, but if they did, I am not surprised. [44:29] Kasi parang, if you look at the discourse online, again, particularly on the supporters of the Alan Peter Kayatano side, [44:37] sabi nila na, again, and this is also the narrative, kaling tumis mo kay Sen. Kayatano, [44:43] na parang ayaw daw man tumis mo kasi nung other side yung flood control hearing, [44:49] which we know, nalink na doon si President Marcos, but also, [44:55] also take a look at the links naman doon sa other side din naman. [44:58] So, what do you think dito sa ganitong klaseng mga argumento online? [45:03] Oh, well, these arguments are valid, knowing that they sense that, you know, [45:11] the entire chaos now in the Senate may have to do with how the country is very much polarized [45:19] into pro-Duterte or anti-Duterte camps, no? [45:24] However, it is, what do you call this, it is difficult to speculate, no? [45:33] The extent of their, what do you call this, of their closeness, no? [45:41] To these issues. [45:43] And it's only natural that people do speculate. [45:51] But then again, I think the important thing is that these are heard. [45:55] The problem is that, like for instance, earlier, sabi ni Senator Irwin Tulfo, [46:04] hindi naman sila inibita. [46:07] Whereas the hearings, the hearings that have transpired, [46:11] Blue Ribbon hearings that have transpired earlier, they were all there, no? [46:17] They were all there. [46:18] And they could rebut, no? [46:22] Whatever it is that the resource persons were saying for, against them, no? [46:30] So that's the difference, no? [46:33] So I am not sure why the members of the minority were not invited to the hearing tomorrow. [46:43] Huling ka, tanongan na lamang Professor Gene, no? [46:47] Hoping to end this on a hopeful note. [46:48] Ito ang ating interview ngayong hapon, no? [46:51] But how did we get here? [46:53] Paano naging isang malaking drama-serye, kumbaga? [46:56] Kung parang, alam niyo ba yung mga teleserye sa tanghali, [46:59] kapag nagsisesta ka? [47:01] Parang gano'n eh. [47:02] Yung mga tao, no? [47:03] How did we get here? [47:05] Well, ang tingin ko, katulad ng sinabi ko kanina, [47:08] ano lang ito, ito ay offshoot ng polarization, no? [47:14] Yung malaking hidwaan, nadulot ng pag-unravel ng unity, no? [47:23] At ang malaking nakapag-fuel nitong polarization [47:29] ay yung confidential funds, yung looming impeachment trial ni Sarah Duterte, [47:36] at yung sa flood control issue. [47:38] Parang namarkahan ng publiko yung mga politiko na sino yung kumikiling dito, [47:45] sino yung hindi kumikiling dito. [47:47] At syempre, depende dun sa algorithm nila, no? [47:50] Eco-chambers nila, meron silang mga kinakampihan at hindi. [47:54] So, yun yung naging, ito yung nagdudulot nitong klase ng environment [48:01] na meron ang senado right now. [48:03] Ang sa akin naman, in the scheme of things, [48:10] ang mahalaga kasi yung integridad ng institusyon. [48:13] Kasi pag nawala ang integridad ng institusyon, [48:18] eh, wala na tayong pupuntahan nun, no? [48:21] And all the more, at this moment, [48:24] that the Senate should be seen as legitimate and credible [48:29] because there is a looming impeachment trial. [48:32] While I have my personal opinion on the impeachment trial, [48:38] as a citizen and as a student of politics, [48:41] my aim is for the trial to happen. [48:46] And whatever the verdict is, [48:49] it should be acceptable and credible to the public [48:52] because if we do that, [48:55] then we have strengthened the Senate [48:57] as a democratic institution. [49:01] On Professor Jean, last tanong na lamang, [49:03] wala na siya pumasok sa isip ko, no? [49:05] I've been reporting on politics for many years, no? [49:08] And it's very, in a way, [49:10] not refreshing is the proper term, no? [49:12] Pero parang kakaiba, eh, [49:13] na itong senado natin, [49:16] philokate, talagang hati sa gitna, eh. [49:18] Masyado na sa idea ng supermajority [49:20] na talagang we even had that one Congress, no? [49:24] Na ang minority lamang nun was Risa Ontiveros [49:27] in Co-Cupimentary 2 versus 22, ano? [49:30] So, ano po yung, ano, Professor Jean, [49:34] do you think na itong estado ngayon, [49:37] ang senado, itong divide ngayon sa senado, [49:40] is this indicative of how Vice President Sarah Duterte [49:45] will perform in 2028? [49:47] Is this indicative na the 2028 national elections [49:50] could be closer than we think? [49:54] Yes, yes. [49:56] Although I've always said, [49:58] one year, two years is a lifetime in politics, [50:02] the polls show that, [50:06] while Sarah Duterte is still ahead [50:10] by, I think, 10 points [50:12] against all her other potential opponents, [50:15] the lead is slowly being eroded [50:23] as all these years are passing by, no? [50:30] So, yeah. [50:31] I don't know how the impeachment trial will play out, [50:36] but I guess this can make or break her candidacy, [50:40] and that's why her allies are doing their very best [50:43] to control how the trial will actually play out. [50:48] Okay, maraming salamat po, Professor Gina Franco, [50:52] napaka-insightful po ng ating diskusyon, [50:54] at napakabiglaan din po dahil sa mga developments dito sa senado. [50:59] Maraming salamat po. [51:00] Thank you for having me. [51:03] At patuloy po ang ating pagbabantay dito sa mga kaganapan sa senado. [51:08] So, napakarami pa rin pong tanong, no? [51:10] Ngayon, with differing opinions dito sa side, [51:14] at dito sa side ni now, [51:18] Senate President Pro Tempore Sherwin Gatchalian, [51:21] at sa side naman ni Senate President Alan Peter Cayetano, [51:26] differing opinions na binibigay nila. [51:29] So, napakarami pa rin pong tanong. [51:30] At siguro, ang pinakauna pong tanong dyan ngayon ay, [51:33] ano mangyayari doon sa flood control hearing bukas? [51:36] Matutuloy ba? [51:37] So, nasabi ni SP Alan Cayetano, [51:39] tuloy. [51:40] Sabi naman, [51:40] yung bagong Blue Ribbon Committee Chair Erwin Tulfo, [51:43] hindi tuloy. [51:44] So, I guess, [51:45] these things ay babantayan natin. [51:47] Ano yung kasagutan sa mga tanong na ito, [51:49] babantayan po natin yan. [51:51] Maraming salamat po sa pagtutok, [51:52] sa ating live recap ng mga kaganapan dyan sa senado. [51:56] Ako po si Neil Amaricado. [51:57] Maraming salamat po, [51:58] at magandang hap.