Senate hearing on jail integration, BFP-BJMP reorganization — April 15

[0:00] bureau of fire protection sir uh we have the officer in charge uh fire chief superintendent [0:10] wilberto rico neil 812 we also have uh fire chief superintendent renato b marshall we are also have [0:28] uh fire chief superintendent belinda b ochave we also have uh fire chief superintendent uh gilbert [0:41] dollot uh we also have fire senior superintendent richard v r butante from the bjmp sir we have the [1:00] jail chief superintendent dennis hugh rocamora we also have jail chief superintendent [1:10] hilbert m floor we have jail chief superintendent filipinas t fulgencio we have jail chief [1:22] superintendent maria lorraine tina m manag manang manang manningiao sorry for the pronunciation [1:33] we also have jail chief superintendent analisa bides from the union of local authorities [1:47] we have attorney ren untalan from the league of provinces we have director angelica sanchez [2:00] from the province of batangas we have attorney jose marco vide ocampo and the assistant provincial jail [2:12] warden mr eduardo blanco we also have from the league of barangay uh honorable darwin a fernandez [2:24] ncr regional president for your information sir we also sent uh letters to the league of municipalities [2:32] of the philippines but no representative has appeared we also sent letters and invitation to the uh technical [2:41] working group of the legal working group of the legislative agenda and policies for the justice [2:45] sector of the of coordinating council as well as the uh commission on audits audit and for the record [2:57] sir we have received uh position papers from the following agencies the bureau of jail management from [3:05] the bureau of fire protection and from the commission on audit uh we have also received letters of [3:13] regrets from the commission on audit who has also given us their position papers sir and also from [3:18] the league of cities of the philippines that's all sir thank you thank you comsec we will now for [3:24] we begin this meeting the chair would like to give his opening statement your committee on public [3:33] order and dangerous dogs convinced today to take up several proposed measures that seek to strengthen [3:39] reform and further professionalize our law enforcement and corrections institutions [3:45] tatalakay po natin ang mga panukalan batas na may kinalaman sa rank classification and organizational [3:52] strengthening of the bureau of fire and protection and the bureau of jail management and penology [3:58] layunin ng mga panukalan ito na higit pang linawin ang career progression palakasin ang [4:06] institutional structure at tiyakin na ang ating uniformed services ay may malinaw professional [4:12] at makatarungang sistema ng ranggu at organization kasama rin po sa mga panukalan [4:19] sa agenda natin ngayong araw ang mga senate bill na naglalayong isulong ang integration ng [4:25] provincial and municipal jails sa ilalim ng pamamahala ng bureau of jail management and penology [4:32] matagal na natin kinikilala ang mga hamo ng fragmentation congestion at hindi pantay-pantay [4:38] na pamantayan sa pamamahala ng mga detention facilities sa iba't ibang bahagi ng bansa ang [4:45] mga panukalan ito ay naglalayong tugunan ang mga isyong ito sa pamamagitan ng mas maayos at mas [4:51] unified na sistema para sa buong bansa. [4:53] Kagunay nito, nais ko rin ibahagi ang porong malatayong nakikipag-unayan sa mga tanggapan [5:00] ng ating mga provincial governor mula sa Luzon hanggang sa Mindanao upang hingin ang [5:05] kanilang pananaw sa mga panukalan batas na ito. [5:08] Habang hinihintay natin ang kanilang tugon, tinitiyak natin, binibigyang halaga [5:14] ng representasyong ito bilang chairman ng committee ang kanilang mga sentimento at posisyon. [5:20] As we proceed with today's hearing, we invite our resource persons to provide candid data-driven input [5:27] so that the committee may carefully weigh the policy, fiscal, and operational implications of these reforms. [5:34] Our objective is simple, our objective is simple, to ensure that any reform we advance is not only well-intentioned [5:43] but also practical, sustainable, and responsive to the realities on the ground. [5:48] Maraming salamat po. At this juncture, the chair would like to acknowledge the presence of Senator Rafi Tulfo. [5:54] Thank you, sir, for joining. You might have an opening statement, sir. [5:57] Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Chair. Good morning, Mr. Chair. [6:00] Mr. J. V. Hercito and the resource persons present. [6:05] I would like to express my full support for the passage of these bills providing for the rank, classification, [6:11] and organization of key positions in the Bureau of Fire Protection and the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology or BJMP. [6:20] Now, huhuli na po ang hanay ng BFP at BJMP. [6:23] Ang kasalukuyang director ng BFP at BJMP ay katumbas lamang ng Major General ng Philippine National Police at Armed Forces of the Philippines. [6:33] With the passage of these measures, may tatama po itong sitwasyong ito [6:38] at ang mga hepe ng BFP at BJMP ay magiging kahanay na ng mga generals ng PNP at AFP. [6:45] The chief superintendent will now be at par with the PNP and AFP's lieutenant general, senior superintendent with major general, and so on and so forth. [6:56] I'm also supportive of the passage of measures transferring the control and supervision of provincial and subprovincial jails to the BJMP. [7:04] May isang bagay lang po akong gustong hingiin sa komiting ito. [7:09] I would like the Committee on Public Order and Dangerous Drugs to ensure that provincial gear guards shall retain their employment and that they be absorbed by the BJMP once these measures become a law. [7:23] Ayoko po na may mawawalan ng trabaho. [7:27] Pero later, meron marami po ako mga katanungan, [7:30] qualifications na kailangan maibigay sa akin ng BGMP lalo na. [7:37] And of course, some questions sa PFP. [7:40] Later, Mr. Chair. Thank you. [7:43] Thank you, Senator Turfo. [7:44] At this judge, I will proceed with the items on the agenda for today's public hearing. [7:49] First item is the Senate Bill number 2041046 and 1872. [7:56] Ranked classification and organization of the Bureau of Fire Protection or BFP [8:01] and the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology by Senators De La Rosa, Estrada and Ejercito. [8:07] Likewise, the second will be the Senate Bill number 203886-1196-1273 and 1872. [8:20] integration by Senators De La Rosa, Estrada, Subiri, Mark Villar and Ejercito. [8:26] To ensure a comprehensive discussion on these vital measures, [8:31] we have invited the resource heads and representatives of our frontline agencies [8:36] for the orderly conduct of this presentation. [8:38] They shall be heard in the following order. [8:41] On the rank and organization of the BFP and BJMP, [8:46] to discuss the organizational structure, professionalization, welfare of our fire and jail, [8:53] we will call first the Department of Interior and Local Government, [8:57] next will be Bureau of Fire Protection, [8:59] next is Bureau of Jail Management and Penology, [9:02] then followed by Civil Service Commission, [9:06] then DBM and then Department of Finance in that order. [9:09] So we now proceed with the first, the DILG for on the rank and classification organization of the BFP and BJMP. [9:21] Jusek Raffin Barreto, you are now recognized sir. [9:24] Thank you for this opportunity to present the DILG's decision on the Senate Bill, [9:49] the rank classification and organization of the BFP and BJMP 204-1046-1872. [10:02] The Department of Coordination with the BJMP and BFP fully supports the passage of both measures, [10:17] subject to the technical observation we outlined today. [10:24] This will address critical operational gaps and strengthen our public safety pillars. [10:32] On Senate Bill No. 204, the rank classification of BFP and BJMP, [10:44] this measure is essential to modernize rank structure, [10:49] align them with PNP parity and the boss morale for our uniform personnel, [10:58] to serve with equal sacrifice, [11:02] to ensure unity of command, accountability and effective crisis response, [11:08] constitutionally grounded and operationally vital. [11:16] On Section 1, as our recommended technical amendments, [11:27] to insert BJMP in Paragraph 3, [11:33] to specify regional directors for file protection and jail management, [11:41] with the rank of jail or file Brigitte General. [11:46] Section 3, Sub-V update qualification on the Municipal Jail Warden as jail major, [11:58] with second year Bachelor of Law or JD, [12:07] with 12 units Master's unit. [12:12] Then the Jail Warden as jail Lieutenant Colonel, [12:21] with second year Bachelor of Law or JD, [12:28] and with Master's degree in related field. [12:34] On Section 4, add the file Jail Lieutenant Colonel with salary grade 25 to the rank table for structural completeness. [12:51] Kasi hindi po na seeing it yan. [12:55] DLG commits full support for implementation and interagency coordination. [13:06] These reforms will fortify public safety nationwide. [13:12] Thank you, Mr. Chair, and we will submit the committee the approved and signed position paper of the department. [13:23] Thank you, sir. [13:29] Thank you. [13:31] Next would be from the BFP. [13:35] Mr. Chair, honorable members of the committee, [13:39] Pelo Public Servant, [13:40] Magandang umaga po sa ating lahat. [13:43] The Bureau for Protection stands before you today, [13:46] not to ask for a mere change in titles, [13:49] but to request an essential structural alignment. [13:53] We are proposing the restructuring of organizational rank, [13:57] which is 35 years old already, [13:59] moving from a two-star to a four-star command [14:03] to ensure our leadership backbone finally matches the immense weight of the mission we already carry. [14:11] The modern fire service is no longer just about putting out fire. [14:15] It has evolved into a multi-domain emergency management agency. [14:19] Integrated emergency management system dictates that as the scope of hazards increases, [14:26] the command structure must expand to maintain effective span of control and specialized oversight. [14:34] The Bureau for Protection is now operating in high-complexity sectors that require sophisticated technical leadership. [14:43] And at the same time, on humanitarian assistance and disaster response, [14:49] we are frontline actors in climate-resilient operations. [14:54] We take the lead in managing chemical, biological, radiological, and nuclear treats, [15:01] requires high-level scientific and technical coordination. [15:07] The BFP provides critical pre-hospital care, [15:11] bridging the gap in the national health emergency framework. [15:15] In anticipation to any major earthquake incidents in the country, like the big one, [15:22] our operation now is spun on urban collapse structure search and rescue, [15:27] water and air response, necessitating a dedicated logistical and air command vertical. [15:35] The current to start up creates a bottleneck that is no longer fit for purpose given the BFP's current scale. [15:44] The Bureau has grown significantly in manpower. [15:48] A two-star rank is mathematically and administratively insufficient to manage a force of tens of thousands spread across a decentralized archipelago. [16:00] On parity and interoperability under the DILG framework and the uniform personal laws, [16:08] the Bureau of Fire Protection operates alongside the PNP, the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology, [16:14] and even the Philippine Coast Guard and other uniformed agencies. [16:18] In joint operations like interagency task forces, [16:24] the BFP's leadership must have the legal and ceremonial standing to sit at the table with equal authority. [16:33] Upgrading to a four-star structure provides the legal command weight necessary to implement national development priorities, [16:41] peace, security, and climate resilience with the same statutory force as our sister agencies. [16:50] To build a world-class Fire Bureau, we must attract also world-class talent. [16:57] By elevating the rank structure, we signal to engineers, chemists, doctors, and pilots that the BFP is a premier professional destination, [17:07] with a career ceiling that rewards high-level expertise. [17:13] A four-star structure creates a more logistical and motivating career path for our people. [17:18] It acknowledges that the risks they take are equal to those of any uniform service, [17:24] fostering a sense of pride and institutional integrity. [17:30] In closing, Mr. Chair, what we are asking for is straightforward. [17:35] Not a higher rank for its own sake, but a competency-driven, legally-grounded command structure. [17:43] We need a BFP that can deliver what the Filipino people expect from a modern emergency service, [17:51] preventions where possible, rapid response when needed, and leadership that can coordinate across the whole of government. [18:00] We respectfully ask for your support to ensure that the BFP's organizational backbone is strong enough to support the safety of our nation. [18:11] Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, for this opportunity to raise this matter to your community. [18:16] Thank you, Fire Chief Superintendent Wilberto Fuantiu. [18:21] Next is for the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology, [18:27] Chief Superintendent Deniz Rocamora. [18:33] Thank you, Mr. Chair. To the Honorable Chairperson of the Senate Committee on Public Order and Endures Drugs, [18:40] Senator J.B. Hercito, sir. To Senator Rapi Tolpo, sir. [18:46] To the distinguished guests, ladies and gentlemen, magandang umaga po sa inyong lahat. [18:51] I am Chief Superintendent Deniz Rocamora, the Deputy Chief for Administration of the BGMP, [18:58] and I am representing Director Rivera, who is now on leave. [19:02] The BGMP appreciates the opportunity to contribute to the crucial discussions on amending Republic Act No. 9063, [19:11] as amended by Republic Act 9592, regarding the rank classification and key positions within the Bureau of Fire Protection and the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology. [19:23] The Bureau commends the Committee's commitment to legislative duty by allowing the Jail Bureau to present its official stance on this professional measure. [19:33] Initially created through the passage of Republic Act 6975 and enacted on January 2, 1991, [19:41] the BGMP was established as a line bureau under the DILG to oversee districts, city, and municipal jails, [19:50] separating jail management from the Philippine Constabulary Integrated National Police. [19:55] Over the years, the BGMP has progressed, especially with the enactment of Republic Act 9263, [20:02] which focused on the professionalization of the BGMP and BAP by upgrading rank qualification standards, [20:09] standardizing salaries, and establishing career development programs for personnel. [20:15] This law further enhanced the delivery of services for jail management, [20:20] which now significantly focuses on rehabilitation and reformation for the integration of PDL to our society. [20:31] With the aforementioned laws RA 6975 and RA 9263, [20:36] which date back to roughly 35 years and 22 years respectively, [20:41] added to the fact that there have been numerous changes in our world today, [20:46] including but not limited to innovations in technology, evolving societal norms, and environmental problems. [20:54] We acknowledge the pivotal fact that this law requires amendment or revision, [20:59] hence the Jail Bureau respectfully requests for the passage of this bill. [21:04] As part of the Uniformed Service of the Philippines, [21:08] the Bureau of Jail Management and Penology is committed to upholding the constitutional guarantee of public safety [21:14] through the enforcement of its mandate that is ensuring that PDL are safely kept within the jail facilities during trial [21:24] or when a judge to serve their sentence as a form of reparation to the victims, [21:29] while simultaneously providing reformation and rehabilitation programs designed to reintegrate offenders into society, [21:36] thereby promoting restorative justice. [21:39] At present, the Bay GMP has 26,839 personnel, [21:46] and this number continues to grow in response to the ever-increasing need for manpower [21:51] to assist in the rehabilitation of offenders through its relevant programs, [21:56] with the end goal of this decreasing RISI division. [21:59] While the Jail Bureau's manpower may not be as vast as that of its counterparts, [22:05] such as the Armed Forces of the Philippines or the Philippine National Police, [22:09] its vital contribution to maintaining society's peace and order cannot be discounted. [22:14] Hence, the proposed rank structure and reclassification of both the Bay GMP and BAP are fitting. [22:22] While the Bay GMP services are focused on jail matters, [22:26] the BAP provides an equally relevant service just as the members of other uniformed services or agencies. [22:34] Thus, keeping the agency ranks equal among the Tribunal is the state's recognition of equality among equals. [22:43] In conclusion, the said reform is a noble and welcome change for a greater improvement of the uniformed service. [22:50] Thank you very much, sir. [22:51] Thank you. [22:53] Next on the list is from the Civil Service Commission. [22:59] The chairperson is representative by Attorney Ruth Eunice Mina Diamante, Office for Legal Affairs. [23:07] Ma'am, you have the floor. [23:08] Good morning, Your Honors. Good morning, everyone. [23:10] Pursuant to the constitutional mandate of the Civil Service Commission to promulgate policies, standards and guidelines for the civil service, [23:20] and adopt plans and programs to promote economical, efficient and effective personnel administration in the government. [23:28] We shall confine or the civil service confine, shall confine its position relative to civil service matters and human resource management and administration in the public sector. [23:40] Accordingly, the CSC submits the following position. [23:47] On Senate Bill numbers 204, 1046, and 1873, or the rank classification and organization of the BFP and the BJMP, [23:57] the proposal to use the rank titles in the AFP of the Philippines for the BFP and the BJMP officers will place the latter at par with their counterparts in the [24:10] Australian National Health. [24:28] The BFP and the BFP and the Bank, just like the these agencies created pursuant to RA0975 and formed part of the public-safety sector of the DILG. [24:42] thus this agency should be treated alike the civil service commission would like to highlight [24:49] that despite the military ranks that are proposed for the bfp and the bjmp those whose appointing [24:57] authority is not the president are still covered by section 41 and section 10 of ra number 9263 [25:07] or the bureau of fire protection and bureau of jail management and penology [25:11] phenology professionalization act of 2004 which will not be amended by the proposed bills on senate [25:22] bill numbers 206-886-1196-1273 and 1872 or the jail integration act the civil service commission [25:34] commenced the intent of the bills to consolidate all provincial sub-provincial district city and [25:42] municipal jails under a unified framework thereby ensuring the adoption of a uniform and standardized [25:50] policy for the administration and super supervision of local jails ultimately promoting more effective [25:58] inmate rehabilitation nevertheless we sub we we post that we posted the following position section 5 of [26:10] sb 1872 provides all personnel of provincial and sub-provincial jails unless removed for a cause [26:20] may be absorbed by the bjmp provided that such guidelines must be consistent with the provisions of [26:28] ra 9263 and its implementing rules the csc respectfully manifest that the absorption of the provincial and [26:39] sub-provincial jails in the bjmp will have significant implications for existing employees particularly [26:49] those occupying first level positions it must be noted that when the bjmp ranks were professionalized [26:56] under ra 9263 and 9592 the minimum education requirement was upgraded to completion of baccalaureate degree [27:08] and consequently the corresponding eligibility requirement was upgraded to second level eligibility in this [27:16] regard it is recommended that approves that a profession be included to allow existing employees [27:24] of provincial and sub-provincial jails who do not currently meet the qs or the qualification standards [27:31] an opportunity to comply with the required qualification standards within a specific period example five [27:40] years or during the five years transition period in order to be absorbed into the bjmp relatedly section [27:49] 5 of sb number 203 886 1196 and 1273 provides provided that the bjmp shall take proactive measure [28:02] to work in training and enhancing the capacity of employees and personnel of provincial and sub-provincial [28:10] jails to obtain the necessary qualifications provided further that those who will fail to comply with the [28:17] qualification standards at the time of the transfer shall be given five years from the lapse of the [28:23] transition period as provided in this act to complete the necessary requirements for the concerned [28:30] position position the foregoing provision may be adapted to ensure the existing employees who do not yet [28:37] meet the qs for absorption into the bjmp are afforded a reasonable and definite period within creates to comply [28:47] with the requirement for their respective positions lastly as regards section 7 of sb number 1872 [28:56] it provides that a special oversight committee shall include the civil service commission as a member [29:05] in this regard the csc the csc respectfully expresses reservation regarding the membership in the oversight [29:12] committee considering that as issues arising from the implementation of the proposed bill may be brought [29:18] before the csc for resolution that's all for the civil service commission your honors thank you thank you [29:26] next uh is uh from uh from the department of mad department budget management is not yet here so we go [29:36] first to the department of finance represented by attorney manuel rodriguez good morning good morning your [29:44] honors uh your honors we are yet to submit our official position paper on this uh subject matter however i i think [29:52] it is safe to say that we are retaining our previous position in the sim in the similar bill that was [29:57] filed in the previous congress congress or congresses uh wherein we recognize the objective and [30:04] institutionalization of efficient and competent jail services that may be well be performed by a [30:10] government agency that is specialized in its operation however we deferred the proposed transfer of [30:17] provincial provincial provincial jails to the bja of the bj bjmp to the dalg having jurisdiction and [30:25] authority over the bjmp as regards to the budget we defer the subject matter to the department of budget [30:33] and management however we note however that funds currently dedicated to implement priority programs [30:39] within a government agency would have to be realigned under the proposed uh scheme potentially affecting [30:46] or displacing already existing programs hence any proposed funding from national government should [30:52] be subject to fiscal programming and the usual budgetary process to ensure that scarce government [30:58] resources are properly allocated in accordance with the spending priorities that support the country's [31:03] growth and development that would be all for now for the department of finance your honors okay thank you [31:10] so now uh probably before we tackle the other bills on on jail integration probably we can already start with the [31:22] discussion on the ranking classification organization of bfp and bjmp so uh the centers will be asking [31:30] questions already center tool for is here maybe some concerns with the bfp and the bjmp so you now have the floor [31:36] um actually uh mr chair um yung question ko so mga policies nalang nilano at saka yung mga nangyayari [31:46] sa loob ng let's start with the bfp um and then based on the people that came to my program to complain [31:55] um as a matter of fact uh more than a couple of weeks ago i was very um very happy uh no mag-announce [32:03] see dlg secretary john vicrimulia at uh kanyang in expose tungkol doon sa rocket [32:11] ng bfp award 15 billion pesos annually from inspection rocket bakit po ako natua dahil for the first time [32:20] ever isang dlg secretary nag-expose nito kasi matagal na po ito nangyari even when i was still a [32:26] broadcaster many many years ago decades ago i've been exposing this but nobody was listening to me [32:32] okay ngayon cdlg secretary mismo nag-expose na totoo po ito at hindi pwede mag deny itong mga taga bfp [32:40] na ang pinaka rocket dyan ay iyong fire extinguisher kinocorner nila ang fire extinguisher [32:47] ah bentahan ah pabor doon sa kanilang ah kasabwat na manufacturer at yung iba na gustong pumasok [32:59] na para mag provide ng ah fire extinguisher hindi na nakapasok ah now ang tanong ko sa mga taga bfp [33:08] ano po yung mga ginagawa niyong ah polisya ngayon nang hindi na maulit ito at magiging malinis na po [33:17] talaga ang pagpapatakbo ng bfp when it comes to inspection ng mga fire extinguishers wala na ba talaga ah hindi na talaga ba maulit [33:29] um mr chair for now um as instructed by no less than the honorable secretary all our first safety [33:38] inspectors are now wearing a bodyburn camera uh to be able to monitor their actions but it's not only [33:46] on that particular matter mr chair uh the bold move of the bfp is to relieve the 902 fire safety [33:55] inspectors and metro manila and other regions will soon follow uh this may be result to inadequacy of [34:02] the number of first safety inspect inspectors as part of our mandate in the enforcement of [34:07] the fire code what we did last thursday we are able to discuss this uh situation to ppsc and fti for [34:14] this school to offer courses pertaining to fire safety inspection so this morning mr chair those [34:21] people who are uh removed from their posts is undergoing a reintegration and reorientation [34:28] program and that is why i came late because i talked to them this morning and the new designated [34:34] fire safety inspectors are also into this program undergoing a 40 hours um fire safety inspection [34:43] training for them to be equipped on the knowledge and at the same time we incorporate integrity in [34:49] ethical standard for their actions yes may i interrupt okay uh maganda yun uh dapat meron silang so [34:57] my body worn camera in fact isa ako sa mga nagsuggest niya noon during a a budget hearing hindi [35:03] lang sa bfp but also sa other uh agencies natin gobyerno pero sinasabi mo pag susuot na body [35:09] worn camera hindi naman siyempre sa harap nung habang nakasutang camera gagawa ng transaksyon yung [35:15] mga tauhan ninyo pwede namang gumawain sa labas tama we recognize that mr chair now another way [35:22] na para ma-distinguish nyo nung kung meron ba talagang nangyari pa rin anomaly mr chair pag pupunta ka [35:27] sa mga buildings sa mga mall pare-parew yung brand kumbaga isang brand lang ng fire extinguisher [35:34] ang nakalagay sa lahat ng business establishments that should raise a red flag so are you doing [35:45] some inspections pupunta ka sa lahat ng mga condo units sa lahat ng mga malalaking [35:50] business establishments bakit iisa lang ang brand ng fire extinguishers kasi kung iisa lang [35:56] brand ng fire extinguishers ibig sabihin yun yung pinaburan ng bfp inspectors of course with the [36:02] blessings of the higher ups of bfp mr chair um we continue doing uh the monitoring on this uh [36:11] anomalies in practices but what we did for for this time is to inform the public that the bfp is not [36:20] into recommending any kind and any brand of fire extinguisher as well as the expiration because it's [36:28] not the duty of the bureau fire to recommend we are not into business and to tell the the uh [36:34] establishment owners that there's a need for you to uh refill or to recondition in a yearly basis [36:40] because it's very clear under nfa standard that uh the fire extinguisher has no expiration but rather [36:49] for the establishment owner and their safety officer to ensure it that it is operationally ready then uh [36:58] we already instructed our regional directors to constantly monitor on this particular anomalies [37:05] of engaging into the business practices of dealing a certain brand of fire extinguisher mr chair [37:12] a follow-up question also uh what's your name uh again sir uh chief superintendent rico quantia sir [37:20] okay chief superintendent another observation that i had in the past i yung mga uh personnel [37:30] ninyo said uh bfp ay kasosyo o director sa mga manufacturer of fire extinguisher is that something [37:42] that you have already investigated because in the past ako mismo na research ko yun at in expose ko [37:48] nga sa radio program ko yun so ngayon ba gumagawa kayo ng investigation baka meron dyan mga [37:55] mga kamag-anak misis pamangkin ng mga taga bfp na eh kasama sa manufacturers [38:05] manufacturers ng fire extinguishers yes sir uh isa po yan ngayon sa tinitingnan namin kasi nga po uh umabot [38:13] na sa amin na hindi lang ho certain brand ang uh nire-recommenda kundi yung sarili pa nilang uh negosyo dahil nga ho may mga uh kasamahan [38:23] uh kasamahan kami na nag-engage and that is a conflict of interest it is part of our monitoring [38:30] uh mr chair uh we send the public the this particular platform of a reklamo para immediately [38:36] ma-inform po ang bfp kung mayroong mga anomalies na nangyayari and second mr chair we will be doing a [38:41] multi-stakeholder uh forum to discuss these things and i plan uh hopefully mr chair that i can establish [38:49] uh bfp and industry advisory council so we can uh on on a regular basis we can immediately address [38:58] this particular concern of engaging anomalies within the the guise of our safe inspection mr chair [39:05] mr chair um a modus operandi ito mga taga bfp uh kapag hindi bumili ng fire extinguisher doon [39:16] sa nirecommenda nila o pag-aari ng mga kasamahan nila iniipit yung permit yun yung sumbong na palagi [39:25] kung natatanggap noon pa and i've been exposing that time and time again kaya again sabi ka nina i was [39:30] very happy when uh the id secretary john vikribulia in expose it yung kalukuhan na nangyayari sa bfp hopefully [39:38] sana matigil na po talaga ito um yes yes mr chair uh we assure you that uh this kind of anomalies and [39:47] practices done uh by very few uh personnel with all due respect to the men and women of the bfp a very [39:54] few ones who who are doing this this kind of practices uh we initiated what we call a flaming sword [40:02] o plan to ensure that this anomalies is being monitored and acted immediately and uh soon we [40:09] will be adopting a bin scheme or a business id number uh inspection scheme that no fire safety [40:19] inspector will identify a certain establishment to be inspected but rather it will be a system generated [40:25] kind of inspection order there will be no uh wala akong babalik na inspector na mag-inspect sa same [40:31] establishment so we can monitor on the makikita ho anong mali then it will be like the lto renewal [40:36] of registration that establishment renewed their fsic on demand corresponding to the last number of [40:42] their bin para ho we can distribute and we can easily monitor anomalies in the system [40:46] ano po katagal o meron bang deadline para mairelease na po yung permit ng isang establishment kasi habang [40:52] tumatagal wala namang kayong sinasabi halimbawa sa bfp in fairness they're not gonna say anything [40:57] na hoy you need to come up with something pero iniipit tumatagal yung pag-release ng permit napipilitan [41:04] itong business owner to come up with something na para mapabilis na yung proseso so dapat meron [41:11] kayong deadline meron kayong number of days na allowed na after that kailan marilis na yes mr chair uh we [41:17] have a citizen charter in accordance to the east of doing business act uh there is a certain number of [41:23] days that uh this particular establishment can secure their fsic uh pagka hindi ho humasok doon [41:31] yung number of days then uh the the fire stations however will be the firm is answerable to this [41:36] problem mr uh rest assured that we will uh go into that particular situations and uh the the citizen [41:42] charter is uh already uh being uh disseminated all over the countries and we we will post that in our in [41:49] our uh page so that people can see the number of days the calendar of days that we must uh secure [41:54] these necessary permits coming from the bfp last question na lamang sa bfp mr chair um last year [42:02] nag-ikot po ako sa mga manufacturing company na botas um dyan sa campanaba caloocan and [42:13] lahat na napuntahan namin kasama yung mga taga bfp i don't know if yung mga nung mag ikot ako [42:18] meron meron bang kasama doon wala ata sila dito halos lahat sila hindi na inspect ng bfp yung [42:30] mga fire extinguishers kung na inspect man hindi ko alam bakit nakalusot pa rin a is it because [42:37] kunti lang yung fire extinguishers doon walang kikitain or b no mag inspect nakapikit nakapiling [42:46] yung mata habang ginagawa inspection because when i was there nakita ko eh mismo yung taga bfp [42:52] inspector nakasama ko nagsabi senator expired na ito senator dapat hindi ganito ang pagkapuesto ng [43:00] fire extinguishers dapat mas malaki dapat yung may gulong dapat doon hindi sa kaliwa sa may kanan dapat [43:06] meron fire exit etc very important po mag inspect kayo sa mga manufacturing company kasi marami po [43:13] mga empleyado doon during working hours what happens kung minasunog di marami matutusta ng mga [43:18] manggagawa natin and yet hindi niyo po in inspection siguro dahil kukunti lang ang [43:25] kikitain those fire extinguishers or kung hindi man like i said earlier inakapiling ang mata dahil [43:31] meron ng envelope i'm sorry for the word sir uh yes sir as stated earlier we [43:37] will be adapting the what we call the bin wala hung uh may iwan ng establishment at may [43:42] inspect ko sila on the right on the right calendar days because of this business id number uh the last [43:47] digit of their uh number will be will represent the month we counted already in calculate uh number of [43:54] establishment versus the calendar days for inspection uh res assured that we will look into this matter [43:59] i was the ground commander of the kentex bar and i don't want the same thing to happen again so uh we [44:06] we will uh we recognize your your observation mr chair and uh we we look into this uh this [44:12] particular matter to uh to ensure that all establishments prior to their operation especially [44:17] those establishments operating a very hazardous situations will be inspected and properly addressed [44:21] uh yes yes mr chair um we already have an initial coordination with the ops uh with uh with uh general [44:43] cruz and i told him that uh there's a need for us to really implement this kind of uh safety because there are [44:51] there are so many my question sir yes mr are not doing their job because [44:57] nag-inspected in ako last year so napakarami mga buses expired yung mga fire extinguishers so pag nagkaroon [45:04] ng sunog useless hindi masasalba yung mga pasahero um there will be a total coordination with the [45:12] ots mr and we will address this month ganon din po sa mga barco expired yung mga fire extinguishers [45:18] isang ibang so ibig sabihin hindi rin kayo nag-inspect di ba kasama rin sa responsibility [45:22] nyo basta fire extinguishers pinag-usapan dapat kayo po nag-inspect mr chair in uh for four vessels [45:28] it's the marina marina what we are into is when the vessel is on dock in case of fire uh [45:36] occurrences and incident it's the the pfp will take charge okay well the main inspect ako isang [45:41] barco yung exit nila eh nakakandado nakatali sira o dapat na sa inspection sabi ko nga dun sa [45:50] kapitan ng barco paano ko nagkasunog o malulubog ng barco hindi makatakas yung mga pasahero [45:55] dahil serado yung pinto yung fire exit nila mr chair it is within the marina authority uh for vessels uh [46:03] it's not part of uh the mandated functions of the bsp but coordination is being uh we will observe [46:08] coordination with the marina so lastly mag-inspect po kayo sa mga factories ano po yes [46:13] dahil marami tayo mga gagawa dyan everyday by the hundreds they're working there uh mainit tapos [46:20] walang fire exit in fact meron nang incidents in the past many years ago na natos tayo mga uh [46:27] manggagawa dahil sinesira ng mga owners ng factory yung mga fire exits kasi iniisip nila baka [46:35] magknakaw magpuslit ng mga produkto that's why they locked it nang nagkaroon ng sunog [46:40] ilan mga magagawang nasunog so you have to inspect please etong mga uh factories okay thank you [46:48] Thank you Mr. Chair. [47:19] Yes Mr. Chair, before a fire safety inspection to be conducted, the fire safety inspector must wear as instructed by the secretary wear the body-worn camera. [47:47] It's effective because we're able to monitor. Unfortunately, it's limited. [47:54] That's why my next question, what is the inventory of our present body-worn cameras now sa BFP and how much more do we need [48:04] para itong sa darating na budget season mapaghandaan na po natin? [48:08] Yes sir, for now around 50% covers the fire safety inspector. [48:11] Kaya mag-antayan matapos yung isa sir bago makapag-inspect but hopefully we will be able to secure more in the future [48:18] so that everybody who will be conducting for safety inspector will have the body-worn camera. [48:22] Okay, thank you. [48:24] Yes sir, Dr. Wolfo. [48:26] Ito pa, ito ay talamak na reklamo. In fact, I have a friend, I'm not going to mention her name, [48:33] na kapag may nasusunugan, kadalasan ninanakawan yung nasunugan. At sino po yung nagnanakaw? [48:41] Eh taga-burifier. Alam niyo po yun ano? I'm sure, you cannot deny that. [48:47] So anong steps ang ginagawa ninyo para maiwasan na po yung nasunugan ka na nga, [48:52] tapos inaasahan mo yung burifier, magsisave ng mga properties mo, yun pala nanakawin ng mga taga-burifier, [48:59] ng mga bumbero mismo. [49:02] Mr. Chair, part of our far ground management now is for the ground commander and the safety officer [49:08] to look and check all responders in the BFP of possible looting. We called it looting, Mr. Chair. [49:17] It's the thing of the past already, Mr. Chair. [49:19] No sir, it's still happening. [49:21] That is why, Mr. Chair, na matagal na hong nangyayari, na hanggang ngayon nangyayari pa rin siya. [49:26] Kaya ho, Mr. Chair, ginagawa namin yung far ground management supervisions of our ground commanders. [49:33] But it's not only about BFP. We will include those who board the other fire trucks coming from our auxiliaries. [49:42] There was an incident in one of the mall near Balintawak that there was a looting incident. [49:52] And with this FAS, we called it a far auxiliary service that we will establish within our Bureau to make sure that all these auxiliaries will be counted properly. [50:03] It will be part of the far ground management supervision. [50:07] So meron kayong ground commander na nandoon habang ginagawa nila yung mga bombero yung karang trabaho, habang niya pulay yung sunog. [50:14] And then after that, minomonitor nyo kung nasaan kung mga tumumbero and then ini-inspect nyo yung masasakan nila. [50:21] Bago umuwi ng fire station, doon pa lang sa ground, ipapacheck namin yung mga sasakyan, yung mga suot na bunker codes nila. [50:27] Yung fire trucks, Mr. Chair, at sakay yung mga suot sila. [50:30] Sorry, so you were born yesterday. [50:32] Hindi, hindi nila nilalagay sa fire trucks. Of course, nilalagay nila. [50:35] May kasabot sila na may kotse, private vehicle. [50:39] At doon nila sa trunk, nilalagay yung mga nanakaw nila. [50:42] It's not sa fire truck. [50:43] Kasi pag fire truck, of course, very obvious, maraming tao nakatingin. [50:46] Usually, pasimply, pinapasa sa mga sakyan. [50:51] Hindi nyo pala alam yun, sir? [50:53] Mr. Chair, may mga nababilitanok kami and that is why we intensify this far ground management functions [50:59] or ground commander that will maybe extend to even in the fire scene that these officers will be looking into how the firefighters inside the boarding building doing. [51:10] Kasi, Mr. Chair, nung pa naman pa ito, hindi pa hindi itong present administration. [51:15] Yung kahadiyero, yung maliit, dalawa na bumbero buhat-buhat at nilagay sa kotse. [51:22] Tapos, once nilagay sa kotse, iskreda na at pinapalabas na yung kahadiyero ay ang may-ari ng kahadiyero ay yung nasusunugan. [51:34] Pero wag ka yung pala, e, bumbero na inalis lang muna ang damit para maikarga yung mga nanakaw sa loob ng kotse, sa loob ng trunk. [51:45] And then, once nakatakas na yung sasakyan, babalik ulit doon, susuot na ng uniforme. [51:50] So, that is something that you have to monitor. [51:53] Yes, Mr. Chair. We recognize that, Mr. Chair. [51:55] And I would like also to share, Mr. Chair, that there are also firefighters who nagsauli din po ng mga na-save nilang mga precious or cash doon sa mga nasunugan. [52:05] But as I said, we recognize this. This is happening. [52:08] And we have to look into this one closely so we can avoid the same incidents to happen. [52:14] Thank you. Okay, Mr. Chair, salamat yung admission is very important para ma-adress mo yung problema. [52:21] Kasi pag nag-deny ka, para mo ma-adress yung problema if you keep on denying. [52:25] In this case, I really commend you and I salute you, sir, for admitting to those sa lahat ng mga nabanggit ko na mga nangyaring katiwalian at ginagawa niyo para magawa niyo ng paraan. [52:37] Salamat po. [52:39] Thank you, Senator Tulfo. Likewise, siguro, if I may add, we are doing everything to give the men and women in uniform the benefits that they deserve. [52:50] So, inaasahan din namin na magiging maayos sa kanilang tungkulin. [52:58] Sana po, mawala niyong mga ganito. We don't hear of these things. We hear about these things. [53:04] Naririnig din mo na natin yun talaga. Legit yung mga binanggitin sa Tulfo. [53:09] So, sana po. Kami, the part of the Senate, siguro tulad na lang nung albawa, [53:14] subsistence allowance ng uniformed personnel, ng PNP, BFP, and BJMP, and Coast Guard. [53:25] Lahat po yan, in-increase ng Senado. Alam po niyan. [53:28] From P150 pesos a day to P350 pesos a day, that na pwede natin ibigay. [53:33] Now, we are talking about the upgrading of the ranks, improving itong classification of the ranks for the improvement of the agencies. [53:43] Kaya, we also expect the same amount, the honest service. So, yun naman ang ina natin. [53:51] We propose those things, lalo na itong increase in subsistence allowance during the budget hearings. [53:58] It was an intervention by the Senate and approved and supported by Senado Tulpo and the rest of our colleagues. [54:05] Inaprobaan mo namin yan. So, we expect the same amount of service. Yung tapat. So, yun po. [54:12] So, yun po. So, now, we can go on. [54:15] Tanong ko lang tungkol po dito sa post-measures regarding Republic Act 9263, [54:24] amendment, yung pong upgrading of the rank structure and organization hierarchy of both the BFP and the BJMP. [54:33] The intention appears to align the leadership structure with operational demands and evolving public safety responsibilities. [54:41] The chair is very supportive of the men and women of the BFP and the BJMP. [54:45] As you know, we have filed these proposed measures because we believe that we will not only improve the economic situation of our BFP and BJMP personnel. [54:54] Kaya nga, inaasaan natin, mas magiging tapat po sila. [54:57] Dahil ini-improve, sinusubukan natin mapaganda yung kanila pong compensation, no? [55:04] So, for the record, para sa alam ng kanbayan, how will this restructuring co-cretely improve command efficiency and service delivery on the ground? [55:15] Siguro, pwede nang magsimula ang ating BFP and then the BJMP. [55:21] As earlier stated on my opening statement, Mr. Chair, that providing an additional rank to BFP somehow motivate and uplift the entire moral of the organizations at par with our counterpart. [55:42] But this is not about, you know, yun bang tinitingnan lang ho namin, nakapantay namin yung police, I have classmates in the PNP who are soon to become three-star generals and me myself is only two-star. [55:54] It's not about that. It's really about the evolution of the fire service, Mr. Chair, that the functions of the BFP under the Republic Act 11589 on the modernization expand too much. [56:05] Hindi na ho yung makalumang bumbero, Mr. Chair, na pumapatay lang ng apoy ang laki na ho na naging responsibility and how to in these expert people joining the BFP is for looking that there is a future in the BFP because they will be soon getting a four-star rank, Mr. Chair. [56:20] Thank you, Mr. Chair. Thank you, Mr. Chair. [56:29] Thank you, Mr. Chair. [56:30] As far as the BGMP is concerned, the BGMP is almost similar to the organization structure of BGMP is almost similar to the BNP. [56:39] Sir, we have the chief, the command group, then the director of directorates and the regional directors. [56:45] So, under the current set-up, Sir, two-star lang yung chief kami. So, wala na, Sir, na pupuntahan yung iba pang nasa kasunod niya. [56:55] Whereas, the BGMP organization is, Sir, lumalaki ng lumalaki habang tumatagal because we were given additional of 2,000 yearly. [57:04] So, yung pyramidal structure, Sir, ng manpower requirement, eh hindi na, Sir, nasusunod. Nagiging masyadong marami na na sa iba ba, then sa taas, then masyadong mataas. [57:15] Kaya, Sir, parang nalilimit na lang yung mga positions or ranks na pwedeng puntahan ng iba namin mga senior officers. [57:23] So, the same with the PNP and AAP, Sir, magka-pareho lang naman kami ng structure. So, dapat ganun na rin, Sir, yung magiging structure ng BGMP. [57:32] Okay, thank you. So, how will the proposed hierarchy improve crisis response, pag-improve naman, no? Jail management and fire operations nationwide? [57:43] Uh, Mr. Chair, mayroon na po po questions sa BGMP so that I can go and... [57:52] I go ahead. Then we will go to, ano, after Senator Tulfo's questioning, we will go back to DBM quickly for their position, no? [57:59] Naka-zoom na yung pong ating pong representing sa DBM. [58:04] Yes, Dr. Tulfo. [58:07] A couple of months ago, may pumunta sa aking PDL na narilis na. [58:14] After he was released, galing siya sa suong city jail sa Lapu-Lapo, Cebu. [58:19] Tama? That's under BGMP? [58:21] Yes, sir. Correct, sir. [58:22] Alam ko kapag ikaw ay convicted siya. Alam ko pag sa mga city jail ninyo, one to, ilan years lang dapat? One to three years, up to three years. But he was detained for 14 years. Ano nangyari doon? [58:45] Yes, sir. Sir, there were instances wherein the PDL has multiple cases. Say, for example, in this one particular case, he is already convicted and sentenced to suffer three years. But he has other pending cases that are still undergoing litigation in the local court. [59:00] Okay, sige. [59:01] That's why he's not transferred to BUP. [59:03] Nung pumasok siya, he was just an ordinary guy. When he came out, he became a millionaire. So, ang question ko, pinapayagan nyo na magnegosyo ang isang PDL, one to sawa, wala kayong ginagawang regulation, wala kayong ginagawang monitoring. Otherwise, hindi naging milyonaryo ito. Of course, siyempre, kaya naging milyonaryo ito. Meron din naging milyonaryong taga BGMP. Kung may biyaya sa labas, may biyaya din sa loob. Kaya lang, BGMP personnel. [59:35] So, how did that happen? At isa pa, Mr. Chair, alam ko sa policy ninyo, sa telephone calls, binibet nyo muna limang relatives ng isang PDL, ilista, ibibet, ibibigay sa inyo ng PDL, tapos ibibet nyo ko talagang relatives. [59:58] And then lima na professional, pare, abogado, lawyer, etc. Hindi yata kayo gumagawa ng ganong klase monitoring. How? [1:00:10] Because yung pumunta sa akin, nagbibenta siya ng telephone card, electronic telephone card, at one to sawa. [1:00:20] Pwede magtawag kahit sino. Pwede magtawag kahit sino. Kaya yung mga PDL sa loob, kunyari at drug lord ka, pwede magtawag. [1:00:29] Pwede tuloy-tuloy para negosyo mo sa labas. Kasi one to sawa ang pagtawag mo ng paggamit ng telephone, at tawagan mo kung sinong gusto mo sa labas. [1:00:38] Yes, Mr. Chair, Your Honor. Nangyayari po talaga yan. But in that particular case, Your Honor, it appears that the jail warden is remiss in his duties because he is not implementing the policies in place with regards to implementation of appording telephone calls to the PDL [1:00:57] and those who transact do sa administrative circuit na jail comissary. Hindi talaga po dapat nakakapag-negosyo yung PDL namin sa loob ng jail. But in that particular case, it appears na nakapag-negosyo. So, liable po yung warden doon. [1:01:14] So, ano yung current policy ninyo about comissary? Kasi kung nangyayari yung sa Cebu, nangyayari yung sa Manila. So, ibig sabihin, anybody pwede mag-negosyo ng kantin o kung ano man gusto niya i-benta, [1:01:29] electronics, I mean, cell phone cards, is that being allowed? [1:01:36] No, sir. Sir, first, yung comissary, sir, itinatag yan para ma-limit yung mga dinadala ng mga dalaw kapag pumupunta sila sa jail. [1:01:44] Kasi nga, karamihan na rin doon sa mga dinadala ng mga dalaw, doon pinapalamang. [1:01:50] So, who owns the commissary? [1:01:52] Sir, it's under the management of the jail warden. [1:01:54] But sino ng kapital? [1:01:58] Yung mga jail personnel din, sir. [1:02:00] Jail personnel or? [1:02:01] The PDLs. [1:02:03] Kasi yung sa nangyayari sa Cebu, eh yung PDLs, nagkakaroon silang kanya-kanyang negosyo doon. [1:02:08] Ang nangyayari po kasi doon, sir, yung proceeds or profits na ma-degenerate doon sa jail commissary, [1:02:14] dapat din mapupunta rin siya sa livelihood programs ng jail. [1:02:18] Pero ang nagkapital po nun initially ay yung mga jail personnel. [1:02:23] So, jail personnel ng kapital. [1:02:25] Yes, sir. [1:02:25] Pero yung pera, ano nangyayari, pagdating sa atian, kasi sir, ano eh, nalilito ka eh. [1:02:33] What I said earlier, itong PDL na lumapit sa akin, dumating siya sa kulungan, ordinary ang tao. [1:02:39] Paglabas niya, milyonaryo na siya. [1:02:41] Kasi pinayagan siya na magkaroon ng negosyo sa loob ng kulungan. [1:02:47] Yes, sir. [1:02:47] Yun, sir, ang violation doon, hindi ko talaga dapat nangyayari. [1:02:50] And I was informed na hindi lamang sa Cebu nangyayari ito, kundi sa iba-ibang facility na under sa BGMP. [1:02:57] Yes, sir. [1:02:58] It is being allowed na yung mga private or PDLs, they're being allowed na magnegosyo sa loob, maging sa telepono. [1:03:06] I'm very particular doon sa paggamit ng telepono, yun sa mga pagkain, okay lang. [1:03:12] Kasi there are times na kailangan nila ng kumain ng merienda o hindi naman po pwede na BGMP. [1:03:18] Pero dapat monitored yung pera na pupasok sa kanila through their relatives. [1:03:24] Yan ang susunod na tanongin, how do you monitor that? [1:03:27] Now, pangalawa, ang gusto ko talagang tutukan ninyo, yung paggamit ng telepono. [1:03:33] Kasi, like I said earlier, pag mga drug lord nakulong dyan, po share, tuloy-tuloy pa negosyo. [1:03:40] Kasi pinapabayaan sila maggamit ng telepono, one to sawa. [1:03:43] So how do you deal with that now, sir? [1:03:45] Sir, yung sigurong paggamit ng telepono ng mga drug lords, yun yung mga poslit na telepono na naggamit nila sa loob ng jail, [1:03:52] na hindi alam ng mga jail guards. [1:03:55] Pero yung mayroon po talaga kami ginagamit na telepono para sa legal na pagtawag. [1:03:59] So sa telepono na legal na gumagamit ng telephone cards, tama? [1:04:04] May binibenta ng telephone cards sa loob eh. [1:04:07] No, sir, hindi po... [1:04:09] Meron, sir. Meron. Telephone card na ginagamit, kinakaskas. [1:04:13] Meron public phone sa loob ng mga BGMP cells. [1:04:17] Yes, sir. [1:04:18] Facilities. [1:04:19] Why is it being allowed? [1:04:20] If it's being allowed, okay lang sa akin. [1:04:22] As long as it's being monitored, dapat. [1:04:23] Yes, sir. [1:04:24] So ang ina-allow namin, sir, ayong pwedeng i-monitor ng jail personnel. [1:04:29] Ang nangyayari nyan, sir, yung jail personnel ang magkocontact doon sa kakausapin ng aming PDL. [1:04:36] And then kapag na-contact na, ibibigay na sa kanya yung... [1:04:39] And then naalis na. [1:04:42] May nagmo-monitor lang, sir, na hindi naman, sir, talagang pinapakinggan, pero ino-obserbahan lang, sir. [1:04:49] I don't get it. [1:04:50] Yes, sir. [1:04:50] Ino-obserbahan, pero hindi pinapakinggan. [1:04:52] Yes, sir. [1:04:53] Yung right to privacy, sir, and communication ng aming PDL ay ina-observe din sir namin. [1:04:58] So hindi talaga namin kailangan... [1:04:59] So what do you have to observe if you cannot listen, if you don't know what is being talked about during that conversation, [1:05:06] the PDL and the person that he's talking sa labas? [1:05:13] So you don't need to monitor them. [1:05:14] It's a different language, sir, na ano kapag medyo parang palihim na yung iba na yung punto ng usapan, [1:05:19] saka na nang nag-interview yung aming jail personal. [1:05:22] No, kasi sa ibang bansa tulad sa Amerika, minomonitor eh, yung mga tawag eh. [1:05:29] Yes, sir. [1:05:29] Kasi, okay, tulad yan, kung niya sabihin five relatives, tama ba ako? Mali. [1:05:34] Sa policy ninyo. [1:05:35] Tama, sir. [1:05:35] So magbibigay yung isang PDL ng five relatives na pwede niyang tawagan. [1:05:40] At yan ay iniimbestigahan ninyo. [1:05:42] Yes, sir. [1:05:42] Ginagawa niyo ba talaga yun? [1:05:44] Eh hundreds and hundreds and thousands pa nga na PDL. [1:05:47] So kung thousands sila, ito times five mo na nagagawa niyo pa rin yun? [1:05:51] I don't think so. [1:05:54] Upon commitment kasi, sir, tiyatanong namin yung PDL. [1:05:57] Kung sino yung kanyang immediate... [1:05:59] Family member na pwedeng dumalaw siya. [1:06:02] Lima. [1:06:03] At pwedeng tawagan. [1:06:04] Lima, tama. [1:06:05] Duma-forser namin yung kanilang tenang. [1:06:06] Kaya nga, lima. [1:06:07] So dapat yan iniimbestigan niyo yung limang yun. [1:06:11] Yes, sir. [1:06:12] Kaya niyo? [1:06:14] Ginagawa siya naman namin na talaga yung iniimbestigan. [1:06:16] You're doing your best. [1:06:17] Pero I don't think so, Mr. Chair. [1:06:19] And then lima na professional. [1:06:23] Payag ako, I don't have any problem that the PDLs are allowed to call their relatives, [1:06:28] to call their lawyers, the doctors, the priests, or their pastors. [1:06:32] I don't have any problem with that. [1:06:33] The problem is, nagkikita ako, kung pinapabayanan sila tumawag want to sawa [1:06:38] doon sa mga katransaksyon nila na mga tao and the reason why sila pinapunta sa jail. [1:06:43] Kung baga tuloy-tuloy pa rinigosyo nila. [1:06:45] If they're a drug lord or they're pusher, [1:06:47] they can still call people outside to work with them para ituloy nigosyo nila. [1:06:52] That is something very important that should be monitored, sir. [1:06:56] I don't think that's being that. [1:06:57] We will look into that, sir. [1:06:59] So, itigil na siguro yung mga card card na yan. [1:07:05] Dapat siguro kung akong tatanungin, [1:07:08] meron kayong telephone na pwedeng gamitin ng mga PDL na libre. [1:07:15] Huwag na kayo lang magbayad. [1:07:18] It's either landline or cellphone. [1:07:21] Yes, sir. [1:07:22] Diba? [1:07:23] Sir, libre po talaga yung pagtatawag natin mga PDL. [1:07:26] E, bakit may mga, ano? [1:07:29] Ayan po, sir. [1:07:30] Cellphone. [1:07:31] We will look into that. [1:07:31] That is a violation of the policy namin. [1:07:35] So, i-stop nyo na yun? [1:07:37] Yes, sir. [1:07:38] Okay. [1:07:38] How much money is being allowed for a certain PDL [1:07:44] for him to accept from his relatives or friends [1:07:49] going inside the BGM facility? [1:07:52] Sir, ang allowed lang sa aming mga PDL is 1,000 per week. [1:07:56] 1,000 per week. [1:07:57] So, that is like 4,000 a month. [1:07:59] Yes, sir. [1:08:00] So, kailan ubusin nyo yung 1,000? [1:08:01] A week bago siya air out another 1,000? [1:08:03] Yes, sir. [1:08:04] Correct, sir. [1:08:04] And how is it to be monitored? [1:08:07] May mga jails kami, sir, na gumagamit na ng legal tender. [1:08:12] Para... [1:08:12] What, sir? [1:08:13] Legal tender, sir, yung... [1:08:15] Legal tender? [1:08:16] What is legal tender? [1:08:17] Is it the money, mister? [1:08:17] Yung parang... [1:08:18] Card? [1:08:19] Card, sir. [1:08:20] Yes. [1:08:20] In exchange of money. [1:08:22] Okay. [1:08:23] Yes, sir. [1:08:24] So, pwede niyang ipalik, sir, yung kanyang 1,000. [1:08:26] Correct. [1:08:26] Pero paano yung monitor kung na-ooms niya ba yun? [1:08:29] Pwede niya itago sa kama, pwede niya ibao sa lupa hanggang sa dumami yung pera niya at may later on gamitin niya sa kung anong kalokuan. [1:08:37] Dapat digitalize. [1:08:38] Yes, sir. [1:08:38] Para lahat ng lalabas na legal tender na sinasabi niyo, digitalize yun, nakapasok sa computer yun, mamamonitor niyo yung galaw sa loob ng facility. [1:08:49] Na sabihin, alam ba itong si Juan o mukhang dumadami ng pera niya, lalapitan niyo, Juan, ayon sa monitoring namin, lampas ka na sa allowed na 1,000 per week, nakaka-2,000 ka na in this week lang. [1:09:01] Do you follow me, sir? [1:09:03] Yes, sir. [1:09:04] Kung in-implement lang talaga ng warden yung policy, hindi po talaga dapat na lumampas ng 2,000 or 1,000. [1:09:10] What I'm saying is, dapat sa lahat ng facility, hindi lang sa Cebu facility, sa lahat ng facility ninyo, is it being done? [1:09:21] Hindi pa, sir, dahil ilang jails pa lang, sir, yung nag-implement ng legal tender. [1:09:27] So yung iba, task basis pa rin po, sir, yung pinapadala ng ating mga visitors ng ating PDL. [1:09:33] Ayan naman, sir, kapag dumaan yan doon, mayroon po kaming property custodian, siya po yung hahawak sa cash ng PDL. [1:09:39] Okay, yung kaso sa Cebu, naparusaan po ba yun? [1:09:44] The last thing I know, sir, sir. [1:09:45] Yung official doon, yung jail warden doon sa Suong City Jail? [1:09:49] Yes, sir. [1:09:50] Nag-settle na sir sila, naibalik na yung pera ng PDL. [1:09:53] And under this investigation pa, sir, yung former warden, kasi nga hindi na sir sila yung nakapodo na warden, sir. [1:09:59] Kaya nga, so yung former warden, gusto kong makasuhan po yun. [1:10:02] Yes, sir, ini-investigahan, sir. Hindi ko pa lang, sir, alam mo ang status ng takbo na ito. [1:10:06] Well, then give me a, give this committee, sir, a report kung ano na po nangyari doon sa investigasyon nyo. [1:10:14] Yes, Mr. Chair. [1:10:14] Ayaw ko magkakaroon po ng takipan. [1:10:16] And then pag pinasa niyo sa committee, and then the committee will give me a copy of that report [1:10:21] para malaman ko kung talagang gumagawa kayo ng tunay na investigasyon. [1:10:25] Yes, Mr. Chair. [1:10:26] And then lastly, Mr. Chair, congestion. Namumonitor niyo ba yung sobrang congestion sa mga facilities ninyo? [1:10:35] Yes, sir. [1:10:35] In fact, meron pa ata na plug yung COA na sobra-sobra by the thousands and sobra. [1:10:40] Yes, sir. [1:10:41] Ng mga inmates or PDLs. [1:10:43] The good news, sir, is that our average congestion rate is decreasing na sa 273. [1:10:51] 273% na lang, sir, ngayon. [1:10:53] But that is an average, sir. [1:10:54] Pero mayroon talaga mga jail facilities na over 1,000 plus pa rin ang congestion rate [1:11:00] katulad nung sa Consolacion Cebu sa Montinlupa because wala pa pa siya talagang malipatan na bagong jail. [1:11:07] Ngayon kasi, Mr. Chair, Summer, in the past, nababalitan natin, marami na mamatay ng mga PDL [1:11:12] dahil sa TICDAS because of over congestion. [1:11:15] So, na-advise niyo buo yan? [1:11:18] Yes, sir. May mga advisories na kami pinadala sa mga jails. [1:11:20] Nanghihingi kami ng tulong sa mga, lalo na sa kaibigan namin sa Bureau of Pires [1:11:24] para sa augmentation ng water kung kinakailangan ng additional water supply sa jails. [1:11:30] Okay, isa na lang pa lang. [1:11:32] Magkano ang budget ng isang PDL pagdating po sa pagkain? [1:11:39] Umaga, tanghali, gabi. [1:11:41] 100 pesos na po, sir, ngayon. [1:11:42] From last year na 75, dinagdagan po ang naging 100. [1:11:46] Very good. Kasi dati ang nangyari, Mr. Chair, itong PDL, wala silang masyadong natatanggap na pagkain. [1:11:56] Eh, mahirap sila, eh, sasabihin sa relatives, tapos yung relatives, gagawa ng diskarte. [1:12:03] Hanggang madnahuling, diskarte kira ng relatives, sila mismo makukulong na rin. [1:12:07] So, meron kayong sub-dinagdagan yung budget. [1:12:11] So, maayos ng pagkain. [1:12:13] Naging progress, sir. [1:12:14] PDL. And then, anong mga sample lang sa mga ulam nila? [1:12:20] Anong pagkain na sa umaga? [1:12:22] Hindi sa akin, kinakambiyan ko itong mga PDL, eh. [1:12:23] Dahil karapatan din lang kumain ng maayos. [1:12:26] Kasi hindi pa naman, karamihan sa akin, hindi pa naman convicted. [1:12:29] Suspect pa lang, di ba? [1:12:30] And even if they're suspects, eh, may karapatan pa rin silang kumain ng maayos. [1:12:34] Ano yung mga pagkain sa umaga tanghali, gabi? [1:12:36] Sir, mayroon kaming nakipag-coordinate kami sa FNRI para bigyan kami ng ideal menu para sa ating mga PDL for breakfast, lunch, saka dinner. [1:12:50] Kasi baka, Mr. Chair, tinitipid. At syempre, yung matipid, may nagbubulsa doon sa catering. [1:12:56] So, sino ang mayari ng catering? Baka naman kamag-anak ng taga BGMP, baka kamag-anak ng mataas na opisyal o poncio pelato sa BGMP yung mayari ng catering. [1:13:08] Usually, ganun na nangyari, tama? [1:13:09] Sir, by administration po yung pagpapakain sa aming mga PDL ngayon. Hindi po siya under ng catering service. [1:13:15] Ah, hindi na catering. Dati kasi catering. So, sino ang nagluluto? [1:13:19] Yung mga PDL, sir. [1:13:21] At sino naman malingke? [1:13:22] Mayroon po kaming food service section sa jails. May mga jail personnel po na namamalengke at nagdadala sa jails. [1:13:31] Then, ang nag-prepare po nyo na yung mga PDL. [1:13:33] PDL mismo nag-prepare? Okay, that's better. [1:13:36] At yung namamalengke, jail personnel. [1:13:40] Tapos binibigan sila ng certain amount na yun ang pwede nilang gastusin for a certain meals. Ganun. [1:13:47] Yes, sir. The full amount, sir, of 100 pesos per day, talagang kailangan po na nakareflect kung paano ang ginastos. [1:13:54] Sila ba ay mayroong budget para sa mga sabon, toiletries, o kailangan niyan bahala sila, bibili sila sa labas at pera nila? [1:14:00] Mayroon, sir. That's separate budget, sir. And good news, sir, nadagdagan na rin yung aming budget for hygienic materials. [1:14:09] Ah, good. How about yung sa mga gamot? Para, alam mo, against thick dust o para sa flu? [1:14:18] So, including the medicines, nadagdag na rin, sir, ng budget for medicine. [1:14:24] 30 pesos per day na rin po ngayon ang budget ng medicine for PDL. [1:14:29] Ayun, sumayos ng panamalakot ngayon dahil nadagdagan ang budget. [1:14:33] Siyempre, kasi pagdagdag budget, mababawasan yung korupsyon dahil yung mga PDL, hindi na lang kailangan pang pumunta doon sa mga kamag-anak. [1:14:46] At siyempre, yung mga kamag-anak, gagawa ng remedyo o magbabayad sa taga BGMP para magiging maayos ang takbo ng kanilang family. [1:14:55] Last na lang pala talaga, nauso sa mga city jail, yung pag nire-renta yung space, pagbago ka lalo na, ito yung space mo, ang renta dito, ang nagpaparenta yung bastunero. [1:15:10] Of course, may bus-bush yung sa taas. Aware kayo doon na ito yung space mo, malayo ka sa kubeta, mas mahal kaysa doon malapit ka sa kubeta, [1:15:20] o itong banig, paparenta ko sa iyo, itong kamarenta, it's still happening or wala na? [1:15:25] Nangyayari pa rin, sir. [1:15:26] Nangyayari pa rin. So, ba't yung pinapayagan na napaparenta ng mga space yung mga bastunero doon sa loob ng kulungan? [1:15:34] Sir, we are trying to control yung gang sa loob ng jails. [1:15:38] Because pagdating naman kasi, sir, sa loob na natalaga ng jail, hindi katulad, sir, mga nakikita natin sa movie na ang PDL nila ay isang celda lang, may dalawa lang maximum na PDL. [1:15:51] Dito kasi, sa isang celda, kumisan naglalaban ng 100, 100 PDL. [1:15:55] Yes, kaya nga, over congestion. Now, bakit hindi kayo maglagay ng CCTV sa bawat jail cell? [1:16:01] Mayroon, sir, may CCTV. [1:16:03] So, monitor nyo. So, malalaman nyo na kung nagkakaroon ng rentahan o bentahan ng space. [1:16:10] Because may CCTV. [1:16:11] Yes, sir. Ang nangyayari lang kasi, sir, talagang kapag may grupo ng mga PDL, mayroon talagang naghahari-ariyan dyan yung sinatawag nila na nagiging mayor or... [1:16:22] Pwede huwag kipayagan. [1:16:23] Yes, sir. Inano, pag na-monitor naman namin, sir, talagang... [1:16:26] Hindi, sir, yung mga bastunero mayor, matagal ng practice yan. [1:16:31] Usually, yan ang ginagamit ng mga warden para disiplinahin o magkaroon ng peace and order doon sa lugar na sila-sila, the police among themselves to the mayor. [1:16:42] Ang sa akin ng po, sir, yung bang pinapayagan itong mga bastunero na maningil na para magkaroon ng higaan, katiting na space, ang isang bagong saltang PDL. [1:16:56] Yun dapat ipagbabawal. At nakarating sa akin, itong si bastunero o si mayor, Mr. Chair, nag-i-intriga ito sa isang opisyal sa BGMP. [1:17:11] Yun yun eh. [1:17:12] Bawal na bawal, puya, sir. [1:17:13] Alam ko bawal, pero nangyayari, bawal kapag hindi nalaman. Pag nalaman, nagiging bawal. [1:17:18] So that is, kaya sabi ko, maglagay ng CCTV, strict monitoring na lahat ng mga space doon, dapat libre, first camp, first serve, o kayo mag-a-assign. [1:17:29] Hindi yung mag-a-assign si bastunero at saka maniningil siya. At yung nasingil niya, may prosyento ang taga BGMP personel. Yung iwasan natin po. [1:17:37] Kailangan talaga, sir, natin magdagdag ng mga CCTVs because usually yung CCTV namin, sir, hindi naman talaga nakafocus sa loob ng jail, kundi doon lang sa mga lobby, sa mga pasidyo. [1:17:46] So, sir, dapat sa loob ng jail doon. [1:17:48] Of course, sa mga CR, yung mga private area. Pero kung yung pinaka-jail itself, wala naman siguro masama doon. Tama ba, Mr. Chair? [1:17:58] Na para mamonitro yung kaganapan doon sa jail. Kasi kuminsan sabihin, eh, nagbig day o sabihin, eh, na inataka sa puso. [1:18:06] Pero wag ka. Binugbog pala. Pinabugbog ni Mayor. At dahil may nag-utos kay Mayor, mayroong mayaman na kamag-anak ng victim, babayaran si Mayor at si Mayor, papatayin yung PDL, etc., etc. [1:18:19] So, that's the reason why kailangan po yung CCTV para ma-monitor yung activities tila. At nang sagayon, ma-protection na hindi lamang yung mga PDLs sa loob, kundi maging kayo para hindi kayo mapagbita. [1:18:31] Kasi without the camera, pag minamata, it will be he said, she said. Sabihin yung kamag-anak ng PDLs. Eh, may kagagawan po yung utos, yung BGMP personnel. [1:18:41] Sasabihin ng BGMP personnel, hindi po. Hindi totoo yan. Pero kung may CCTV camera, malalamang sinasasabi na totoo. You follow me, sir? [1:18:48] Yes, sir. Tama po, Mr. Chair. In fact, sir, mayroong kaming 488 jail facilities nationwide. At, binigyan sa akin, nasa 2,600 pa lang yung CCTV cameras namin. So, kulang na kulag po talaga. [1:18:59] Eh, budget na natin, Mr. Chair. Sige, kung kailangan ng budget, then I will support, siguro, okay ka naman sa committee na ito, na magkaroon karagdagang budget na para magkaroon ng CCTV ang lahat ng jail cell facilities ng BGMP. [1:19:15] And lastly, nagustuhan ko na ito transfer na yung jurisdiction ng provincial jail sa BGMP. Kasi dati, maraming tayong napabalitan. [1:19:24] Ako mismo, Mr. Chair, kapag kamag-anak ng mataas na opisyal sa probinsya, eh, nabibigyan ng special paper, nakakalabas pa. [1:19:32] Diba? Eh, siyempre, kay Gubyan, eh, bata ni Gubyan, eh, e, bigyan ng special treatment. Pero sa ngayon, dahil BGMP na national na, matatanggal na yung ganong klaseng mga problema noon. [1:19:47] Okay, that's all, Mr. Chair. Maraming salam. Thank you for answering all my questions. [1:19:51] Thank you. Thank you, sir. [1:19:52] So, we now go back to, you know, our presentation on DBM, I think. [1:20:00] Ma'am, you now have the floor for your position on the measures that we are taking up. Please identify yourself also. [1:20:07] Yes, sir. Good morning. I'm Janeline Tsunga from DBM. [1:20:13] My apologies for not able to attend for this meeting due to unexpected situations. [1:20:21] Regarding the transfer of the provincial jails to the BGMP, pursuant to Section 17B3 of Republic Act No. 72160, [1:20:39] the provision of provincial jails is among the services devolved to the provincial government. [1:20:46] Specifically, Section 468 of the same law provides that the Sangguniang Panlaluigan, [1:20:52] as the legislative body of the province, shall establish and provide the maintenance and improvement of jails and detention centers, [1:21:00] institute a sound jail management program, and appropriate funds for the subsistence of detainees and convicted prisoners in the province. [1:21:08] The said provision of RA No. 72160 are in consonance with the provision of the Section 61 of RA 6975, [1:21:18] which provide that the jail bureau shall exercise supervision and control over all city and municipal jails. [1:21:29] And detention centers institute a sound jail management program, and appropriate funds for the subsistence, [1:21:38] while the provincial jails shall be supervised and controlled by the provincial government within its jurisdiction. [1:21:45] In this regard, the transfer of supervision and control of all provincial jails for the integration to the BGMP [1:21:51] is inconsistent with the purpose of decentralization as envisioned in RA 7160, [1:21:59] whereby local government units shall be given more power, authority, responsibilities, and resources, [1:22:06] that the process of decentralization shall proceed from the national government to LGUs. [1:22:12] The submitted summary of proposed funding requirement for the absorption of provincial and subprovincial jails submitted by the BGMP, [1:22:27] as of January 2026, the proposed transfer will require an additional amount of $3.4 billion. [1:22:37] Accordingly, the requirements to fully implement the proposed transfer will require a substantial amount, [1:22:44] given the limited resources of the national government, [1:22:47] it may be necessary to identify additional tax measures that will cover the purpose subject to congressional approval. [1:22:57] Regarding the adjusting the rank classification for personnel of the BFP and the BGMP, [1:23:06] it is our position that should the bill be passed, [1:23:10] the same measure as a precedent to the other uniformed agencies, [1:23:14] with the same existing rank classification as the BFP and the BGMP, [1:23:19] to propose for upgrading of their rank structures similar to these bills, [1:23:24] thus adding up to the increasing PS and pension requirements of uniform personnel. [1:23:31] Relative to this, we have computed for the requirements for the BGMP and BFP. [1:23:38] For the BFP, it will require $52 million, [1:23:41] and for the BGMP, $29 million. [1:23:46] It is already adjusted to the recent increase in salary-based pay. [1:23:53] Thank you. [1:23:56] Thank you, ma'am. [1:23:58] Now, we can, [1:24:00] Chair, we'd like to ask siguro, [1:24:01] before we move on to the next, [1:24:03] Senate bill, [1:24:09] DBMDOF or COA. [1:24:12] Ito po, no? [1:24:12] The bill's proposed salary-grade adjustments, [1:24:16] aligning BFP and BGMP ranks with the counterparts in the PNP and AFP. [1:24:21] Magkano pong kinakailangan para sa rank upgrading and salary standardization? [1:24:25] So, also, [1:24:29] mayroon ba itong magiging efekto sa retirement and pension obligations? [1:24:33] Ikaw, we can start with the COA ba dito? [1:24:44] Yung pa, yung ano lang. [1:24:46] Is there any effect on retirement and pension obligations? [1:24:50] DOF? [1:24:51] Mera ba? [1:24:51] DOF or ORDBM? [1:24:55] Yes, sir. [1:25:01] Meron po siyang impact, actually, [1:25:03] sa pension pa rin po, requirements. [1:25:06] May indexation factor po kasi siya. [1:25:11] So, pag meron po tayong tumatas po yung ating salaries, [1:25:15] naka-indexation din po yung ating pension requirements. [1:25:21] So, is there a possibility of salary distortion? [1:25:28] Sam? [1:25:28] Sige po. [1:25:29] Salary distortion, sir, meaning, [1:25:30] mayroon po tayong salary upgrading [1:25:41] and also all the collaterals. [1:25:45] May effect din po siya sa all the allowances and collaterals [1:25:48] being received by the MUD, please. [1:25:52] Sige po. [1:25:53] Sa civil service, pwede na lang quickly, [1:25:55] hindi talag lang kayo. [1:25:57] Is the three-year compliance period sufficient for officers [1:26:00] to meet their academic requirements? [1:26:03] Sige, attorney. [1:26:04] Ruth? [1:26:04] As, sir, as regards the transition period, [1:26:10] sa amin po sufficient na yung five years, [1:26:12] minimum five years, [1:26:13] kasi there is, [1:26:14] I don't know what agency yung attrition. [1:26:18] There is a certain period for the, [1:26:22] yung parang, kasi kung parang, [1:26:24] this is not reorg kasi, [1:26:25] if you want to see the picture of the transition [1:26:28] from the provincial to the BJMP, [1:26:31] hindi kasi namin masasabi na reorg [1:26:33] for us to forego with the QS. [1:26:35] So, there is a need really for them [1:26:37] to meet the QS under the law. [1:26:39] So, for us, [1:26:40] pwede na po yung five years transition period. [1:26:44] And there is really a need for them [1:26:45] to meet that QS [1:26:48] kasi otherwise magkakaroon tayo ng disapproval [1:26:53] or invalidation of appointment [1:26:57] if once fined by the Civil Service Commission [1:27:00] that these transferred employees [1:27:04] did not meet the QS as required [1:27:06] under the proposed bills. [1:27:23] Okay. [1:27:23] So, thank you. [1:27:25] This bill almost, [1:27:27] no, no, [1:27:28] reached the second reading, [1:27:30] last Congress, [1:27:31] kaya lang, [1:27:32] merong mga ibang [1:27:34] tinake up yung house, [1:27:37] kaya hindi na ito. [1:27:38] So, kumbaga, [1:27:38] ano na ito, [1:27:39] narinig na lahat [1:27:39] and has been [1:27:40] thoroughly researched and studied, no? [1:27:44] So, in order that we can [1:27:45] move on to the next agenda, [1:27:48] may we request [1:27:49] that the position papers [1:27:51] of the Concert AGSP [1:27:52] just submitted to the committee. [1:27:54] Okay. [1:27:54] Thank you. [1:27:55] So, we can start [1:27:56] with the jail integration. [1:28:00] These are the order [1:28:01] of presentation. [1:28:04] Quick, [1:28:04] bilisan na lang po natin. [1:28:05] Department of Justice, [1:28:07] Bureau of Jail Management Technology, [1:28:09] DBM, [1:28:10] COA, [1:28:11] Civil Service, [1:28:13] Provincial Government of Batangas, [1:28:15] Union of Local Authorities [1:28:17] of the Philippines [1:28:18] and League of Provinces [1:28:20] of the Philippines. [1:28:21] So, yun na po yung mga nandito. [1:28:22] Okay. [1:28:23] So, probably you can already [1:28:27] dismiss yung mga members [1:28:29] ng BFP. [1:28:30] We will now talk about [1:28:32] the jail integration. [1:28:41] Sige, [1:28:41] we can now start. [1:28:43] DOJ va? [1:28:44] Meron pa? [1:28:45] Mr. Chair, [1:28:47] thank you. [1:28:48] Thank you very much. [1:28:51] Yun po, [1:28:51] before we continue, [1:28:53] this will be a working lunch [1:28:55] in the 12, [1:28:55] ano na magdi-12 na rin po. [1:28:57] You can already have your lunch [1:28:58] while the presentations [1:29:01] are ongoing. [1:29:02] Please make the presentations [1:29:03] brief as brief as possible [1:29:05] and focus on that, [1:29:06] yung mga gist na lang po tayo. [1:29:08] Okay. [1:29:18] Can we start with DOJ? [1:29:19] May DOJ va? [1:29:21] Mr. Chair, good morning. [1:29:22] Ay, good morning. [1:29:23] Senior State Council, [1:29:24] Bernadette Ongoko. [1:29:26] Good morning po. [1:30:08] Please proceed. [1:30:12] Mr. Chair, [1:30:12] for the Department of Justice, [1:30:14] we interposed no constitutional objection [1:30:17] regarding this integration. [1:30:18] We support this proposal [1:30:22] as we have supported this [1:30:27] in previous Congress. [1:30:29] So we will be submitting [1:30:31] our official comments, [1:30:33] Mr. Chair, [1:30:35] by next week. [1:30:36] Thank you. [1:30:37] Thank you, ma'am. [1:30:42] Thank you, [1:30:43] Senior State Council, [1:30:44] Bernadette Ongoko. [1:30:46] Next, [1:30:46] for BJMP, [1:30:47] again, [1:30:47] for your position [1:30:48] on the jail integration. [1:30:58] Thank you very much, [1:30:59] Mr. Chair, [1:30:59] Your Honor. [1:31:02] Sir, [1:31:02] the Jail Bureau [1:31:03] or the Bureau of Jail Management [1:31:05] and Penology [1:31:05] extends [1:31:06] its sincere gratitude [1:31:08] for the opportunity [1:31:09] to participate [1:31:09] in this very [1:31:10] significant hearing [1:31:11] concerning the proposal [1:31:12] to transfer [1:31:14] the supervision [1:31:15] and control [1:31:16] of all provincial [1:31:17] and subprovincial jails [1:31:19] to the Bureau of Jail Management [1:31:20] and Penology. [1:31:22] The willingness [1:31:22] to hear the Bureau's stand [1:31:23] on this subject [1:31:24] demonstrates [1:31:25] the committee's commitment [1:31:26] to the legislative duty. [1:31:29] The integration [1:31:29] of provincial [1:31:30] and subprovincial jails [1:31:31] into the BJMP [1:31:32] offers significant advantages [1:31:34] which are as follows. [1:31:36] Number one, [1:31:37] there will be [1:31:38] an established uniform [1:31:39] and standard policy [1:31:41] for the administration [1:31:42] and supervision [1:31:42] of all local jails. [1:31:44] Number two, [1:31:46] the administration [1:31:47] and operation [1:31:47] of all local jails [1:31:48] will be entrusted [1:31:49] to the BJMP [1:31:50] which is the specialized [1:31:52] agency for detention, [1:31:54] safekeeping, [1:31:54] and development [1:31:55] of persons deprived [1:31:56] of liberty. [1:31:58] Thus, [1:31:58] the objective [1:31:58] of public safety [1:31:59] and institutional correction [1:32:01] for jail supervision [1:32:02] and management [1:32:03] can be better attained [1:32:04] through this act. [1:32:06] Number three, [1:32:08] the provincial government [1:32:09] will be unburdened [1:32:10] from the task [1:32:11] of supervising [1:32:12] and maintaining [1:32:12] a jail facility [1:32:14] enabling them [1:32:16] to devote its focus [1:32:17] and resources [1:32:17] to other more pressing [1:32:19] responsibilities. [1:32:21] And number four, [1:32:22] this measure [1:32:22] will promote [1:32:23] the professionalization [1:32:24] of jail personnel [1:32:25] which will now include [1:32:27] the provincial jail guards. [1:32:30] At present, [1:32:31] 53.75% [1:32:33] of provincial jail governments [1:32:35] are manning [1:32:37] these provincial jails [1:32:38] and subprovincial jails [1:32:40] have already expressed [1:32:41] their willingness [1:32:42] to transfer [1:32:43] the management [1:32:44] of their facilities [1:32:45] to the Bureau [1:32:46] of Jail Management [1:32:46] and Regenology. [1:32:48] Their conformity [1:32:49] is rooted [1:32:50] on their appreciation [1:32:51] that there is [1:32:52] a need [1:32:53] to establish [1:32:54] a national standard [1:32:55] in the operation [1:32:56] and management [1:32:57] of all local jails [1:32:58] and that the integration [1:32:59] of provincial jails [1:33:00] and subprovincial jails [1:33:01] into the BNP [1:33:02] will assist [1:33:04] all relevant parties. [1:33:06] First, [1:33:07] this will unburden [1:33:08] the provincial government [1:33:09] of one of its [1:33:10] many vital obligations [1:33:12] to their constituents. [1:33:14] Secondly, [1:33:15] the provincial jail guards [1:33:16] currently handling [1:33:18] provincial jail facilities [1:33:19] will have [1:33:20] the same opportunities [1:33:21] in terms of salary, [1:33:23] benefits, [1:33:24] and training [1:33:24] provided they possess [1:33:26] the required qualifications [1:33:28] set by the Civil Service Commission. [1:33:30] Currently, [1:33:31] a total of 2,470 personnel [1:33:35] are manning [1:33:36] the provincial jails nationwide [1:33:38] and approximately [1:33:40] 52% of whom [1:33:42] do not hold [1:33:42] regular plantillia positions. [1:33:45] This bill [1:33:46] will promote [1:33:46] the professionalization [1:33:48] of jail personnel [1:33:49] including [1:33:49] provincial jail guards. [1:33:52] Thirdly, [1:33:53] this move [1:33:53] to enable [1:33:54] the BNP [1:33:55] to further advance [1:33:56] its decongestion measures. [1:33:59] And lastly, [1:34:00] and most important, [1:34:01] the passage [1:34:02] of this bill [1:34:02] will ensure [1:34:03] that the persons [1:34:04] deprived of liberty [1:34:05] are provided [1:34:06] with optimal [1:34:07] reformative [1:34:08] and rehabilitative [1:34:09] treatment programs [1:34:10] through the establishment [1:34:11] of a uniform [1:34:12] and standardized policy [1:34:14] on the administration [1:34:15] and supervision [1:34:16] of all local jails. [1:34:18] In closing, [1:34:19] Mr. Chail, [1:34:20] the passage [1:34:20] of this bill [1:34:21] is also aligned [1:34:22] with the national goals [1:34:23] such as [1:34:24] the Philippine Development Plan [1:34:25] 2023-2028, [1:34:28] specifically [1:34:28] under Chapter 13.2, [1:34:31] Outcome 3, [1:34:32] improving the quality [1:34:33] of life of PDL [1:34:34] and ensuring [1:34:35] the productive [1:34:36] reintegration [1:34:37] of PDL [1:34:38] into the community, [1:34:39] and specifically [1:34:40] in establishing [1:34:42] a unified [1:34:42] phenology [1:34:43] and correction systems. [1:34:46] And the ambition [1:34:46] in 2040 [1:34:47] as regards [1:34:48] to the modernization [1:34:49] and capacity [1:34:51] building [1:34:51] of the DILG [1:34:52] along with the PNP [1:34:54] and the BGMP. [1:34:56] Mr. Chair, [1:34:56] we also prepared [1:34:59] an ABP [1:35:00] to further express [1:35:02] or elucidate [1:35:04] our stand on this [1:35:05] if we will [1:35:06] be allowed [1:35:08] to play it. [1:35:09] How long [1:35:10] will it take? [1:35:11] Yes, [1:35:11] to make it quick [1:35:14] so that we can [1:35:15] hopefully adjourn [1:35:16] before 1 o'clock. [1:35:18] Thank you very much. [1:35:18] Okay, [1:35:19] please, [1:35:20] is it ready already [1:35:21] the presentation? [1:35:23] To the Honorable [1:35:27] Chairperson [1:35:28] of the Senate [1:35:28] Committee [1:35:29] on Public Order [1:35:30] and Dangerous Drugs, [1:35:31] Joseph Victor, [1:35:32] J.V. Ehercito, [1:35:34] and the distinguished [1:35:34] members of the committee, [1:35:36] good day. [1:35:37] The current [1:35:38] jail management system [1:35:39] in the Philippines [1:35:40] remains divided. [1:35:41] While the BGMP [1:35:42] oversees district, [1:35:44] city, [1:35:44] and municipal [1:35:45] jails, [1:35:46] provincial governments [1:35:47] operate their [1:35:48] own facilities. [1:35:50] This dual structure [1:35:50] has resulted [1:35:51] in uneven [1:35:52] operational standards, [1:35:53] inconsistent [1:35:54] security practices, [1:35:56] and varying levels [1:35:57] of rehabilitation [1:35:57] services across [1:35:58] jurisdictions. [1:36:00] A unified [1:36:01] national approach [1:36:02] is therefore [1:36:02] necessary to [1:36:03] ensure uniformity [1:36:04] in custodial care [1:36:05] and to strengthen [1:36:06] the country's [1:36:07] overall jail [1:36:07] management system. [1:36:09] Explicitly supported [1:36:10] under the [1:36:10] Philippine Development [1:36:11] Plan 2023-2028 [1:36:13] of the Department [1:36:14] of Economy, [1:36:15] Planning, [1:36:16] and Development. [1:36:17] This initiative [1:36:18] advances Outcome 3, [1:36:19] which aims to [1:36:20] improve the well-being [1:36:21] of persons deprived [1:36:22] of liberty [1:36:23] and promote [1:36:23] their successful [1:36:24] reintegration. [1:36:26] By prioritizing [1:36:27] a unified [1:36:27] penology and [1:36:28] correction system, [1:36:29] it strengthens [1:36:30] the PDP's [1:36:31] commitment to [1:36:31] a more humane, [1:36:32] efficient, [1:36:33] and responsive [1:36:34] corrections framework. [1:36:37] The BGMP [1:36:38] has consistently [1:36:39] demonstrated [1:36:39] its institutional [1:36:40] capability [1:36:41] to administer [1:36:42] jails [1:36:42] in a professional [1:36:43] and humane [1:36:44] manner. [1:36:45] Its rehabilitation [1:36:46] programs, [1:36:47] benefiting 116,669 [1:36:50] persons deprived [1:36:51] of liberty, [1:36:52] provide educational, [1:36:53] livelihood, [1:36:54] spiritual, [1:36:55] and therapeutic [1:36:56] interventions aligned [1:36:57] with the Nelson Mandela [1:36:58] rules. [1:36:59] These initiatives [1:37:00] reflect the Bureau's [1:37:01] long-term commitment [1:37:02] not only to custodial [1:37:04] security but also [1:37:05] to preparing PDLs [1:37:06] for eventual [1:37:07] reintegration [1:37:07] into society. [1:37:09] Another key strength [1:37:10] of the BJMP [1:37:11] is its trained [1:37:12] and professional [1:37:12] core of 26,000 [1:37:14] 894 personnel. [1:37:17] Through continuous [1:37:17] capacity building, [1:37:19] competency upgrading, [1:37:20] and leadership [1:37:21] development, [1:37:22] BJMP personnel [1:37:23] maintain high [1:37:24] standards of [1:37:24] discipline, [1:37:25] integrity, [1:37:26] and operational [1:37:27] competence. [1:37:28] These institutional [1:37:29] advantages cannot [1:37:30] be fully duplicated [1:37:31] by individual [1:37:32] provincial governments [1:37:33] whose capacities [1:37:34] and resources [1:37:35] differ widely. [1:37:37] At present, [1:37:38] the BJMP [1:37:39] manages 488 [1:37:41] jail facilities [1:37:41] nationwide, [1:37:42] operating under [1:37:43] a unified set [1:37:44] of policies [1:37:45] and procedures. [1:37:46] Extending [1:37:47] this standardized [1:37:48] system to [1:37:48] provincial jails [1:37:49] will resolve [1:37:50] long-standing [1:37:50] disparities in [1:37:51] custodial practices [1:37:52] and improve [1:37:53] the welfare [1:37:54] and security [1:37:54] of PDLs [1:37:55] across the country. [1:37:57] In the 20th [1:37:58] Congress, [1:37:58] four Senate [1:37:59] bills were [1:37:59] refiled [1:38:00] by Senator [1:38:01] J.B. [1:38:01] Ejercito, [1:38:02] Senator Juan Miguel [1:38:03] Subiri, [1:38:04] Senator Ronald [1:38:05] Bato [1:38:05] De La Rosa, [1:38:06] and Senator [1:38:07] Jingoy Ejercito [1:38:08] Estrada, [1:38:09] underscoring [1:38:09] the continuing [1:38:10] importance of [1:38:11] unifying local [1:38:12] jail administration. [1:38:14] The proposed [1:38:14] measure transfers [1:38:15] the management, [1:38:16] control, [1:38:17] and supervision [1:38:17] of provincial [1:38:18] and subprovincial [1:38:19] jails to the BJMP, [1:38:20] while retaining [1:38:21] ownership of land [1:38:22] and buildings [1:38:23] with the provincial [1:38:24] governments. [1:38:25] Personnel of [1:38:26] provincial jails [1:38:27] will retain [1:38:27] security of tenure [1:38:28] and will be [1:38:29] absorbed by the [1:38:30] BJMP in accordance [1:38:31] with the [1:38:31] Qualification Standards [1:38:32] of Republic Act [1:38:33] No. 9263. [1:38:36] To ensure an [1:38:36] orderly shift, [1:38:37] the measure provides [1:38:38] for a three-year [1:38:39] transition period. [1:38:41] During this time, [1:38:42] provincial governments [1:38:43] will continue funding [1:38:44] the subsistence [1:38:45] of PDLs [1:38:45] and facility [1:38:46] maintenance, [1:38:47] until such time [1:38:48] as the BJMP [1:38:49] assumes full [1:38:50] supervision [1:38:50] and operational [1:38:51] responsibility. [1:38:53] We also [1:38:53] acknowledge the [1:38:54] support of [1:38:54] several local [1:38:55] chief executives. [1:38:57] Their endorsements [1:38:58] reflect a shared [1:38:59] understanding that [1:39:00] jail management [1:39:00] requires specialized [1:39:01] expertise, [1:39:03] standardized systems, [1:39:04] and professionalized [1:39:05] service, [1:39:06] attributes inherent [1:39:07] in the BJMP. [1:39:08] In closing, [1:39:09] this measure [1:39:10] represents a [1:39:11] necessary step [1:39:11] toward a [1:39:12] professional, [1:39:13] humane, [1:39:13] and unified [1:39:14] jail management [1:39:14] system that [1:39:15] strengthens [1:39:16] national security, [1:39:17] advances human [1:39:18] rights, [1:39:19] and aligns the [1:39:19] country with [1:39:20] global [1:39:20] correctness [1:39:21] standards. [1:39:22] We respectfully [1:39:23] seek the [1:39:23] favorable [1:39:24] consideration of [1:39:25] this honorable [1:39:25] committee. [1:39:27] Thank you. [1:39:28] Please go ahead. [1:39:36] Thank you, [1:39:36] Mr. Chair. [1:39:37] That's all for [1:39:38] the BJMP. [1:39:39] Thank you. [1:39:40] Probably DILG, [1:39:41] meron pa tayong [1:39:42] narita position, [1:39:43] Yusek Barreto. [1:39:56] On Senate Bill [1:39:58] No. 203, [1:40:03] transferring [1:40:03] provincial and [1:40:05] sub-provincial [1:40:06] jails to BJMP, [1:40:07] while DILG, [1:40:13] this bill tackles [1:40:15] for district, [1:40:17] city, [1:40:18] municipal jails, [1:40:20] all under BJMP, [1:40:23] but provincial [1:40:23] jails remain [1:40:25] with local [1:40:25] governments. [1:40:29] Transferring control [1:40:30] as a provision [1:40:30] to BJMP promotes [1:40:33] coherence, [1:40:35] efficient, [1:40:37] resource allocation, [1:40:38] and consistent [1:40:39] standards for [1:40:41] prisons deprived [1:40:43] of liberty [1:40:43] for PDR. [1:40:46] While DILG's [1:40:48] long-term agenda [1:40:50] envisions [1:40:52] merging BJMP [1:40:54] and provincial [1:40:55] jails [1:40:55] with Bucor [1:40:57] under DOJ [1:40:59] for a unified [1:41:01] correction system, [1:41:04] SB203 [1:41:05] is a practical [1:41:07] immediate reform. [1:41:12] It fills [1:41:13] current gaps [1:41:14] without [1:41:15] prejudicing [1:41:17] future [1:41:19] structural [1:41:21] changes. [1:41:23] We urge [1:41:23] its swift [1:41:24] approval. [1:41:27] Thank you. [1:41:33] Yusek [1:41:34] Barreto. [1:41:36] Go back to [1:41:37] DBM. [1:41:38] She's still [1:41:39] online. [1:41:41] Online [1:41:41] pa naman [1:41:41] siya? [1:41:44] Ma'am, [1:41:44] the position [1:41:45] of DBM [1:41:46] on the [1:41:47] integration, [1:41:48] jail integration? [1:41:50] Yes, [1:41:50] sir. [1:41:51] For the [1:41:51] DBM, [1:41:51] sir, [1:41:52] we are [1:41:52] constrained [1:41:53] from [1:41:53] favorably [1:41:54] recommending [1:41:55] the proposed [1:41:55] legislative [1:41:56] measure. [1:41:57] As mentioned [1:41:58] earlier, [1:41:59] the transfer [1:42:01] of supervision [1:42:02] and control [1:42:02] of all [1:42:03] provincial [1:42:04] jails [1:42:04] for the [1:42:05] integration [1:42:05] to the [1:42:06] BJMP [1:42:07] is inconsistent [1:42:08] with the [1:42:08] purpose [1:42:09] of decentralization. [1:42:11] The [1:42:11] LGUs [1:42:13] shall be [1:42:14] given more [1:42:15] power, [1:42:15] authority, [1:42:16] and responsibilities [1:42:17] and resources. [1:42:19] Sir, [1:42:20] we have also [1:42:21] mentioned [1:42:22] that it [1:42:23] would require [1:42:24] an amount [1:42:24] of 3.4 [1:42:25] billion [1:42:26] for this [1:42:27] purpose. [1:42:31] Thank you. [1:42:32] Sa civil [1:42:33] service, [1:42:35] ma'am, [1:42:35] again, [1:42:36] what's the [1:42:36] position? [1:42:37] Kasi [1:42:37] meron pong [1:42:38] integration [1:42:38] ng [1:42:38] transfer [1:42:40] pala [1:42:40] ng [1:42:41] jail [1:42:42] guards [1:42:42] to [1:42:43] the [1:42:43] BJMP. [1:42:44] Ma'am, [1:42:45] sige po. [1:42:46] Good morning [1:42:47] again, [1:42:47] po. [1:42:48] As we [1:42:48] respectfully [1:42:49] manifest, [1:42:50] we [1:42:50] respectfully [1:42:51] reiterate [1:42:52] our [1:42:52] manifestation, [1:42:53] your [1:42:53] honor, [1:42:54] that the [1:42:54] absorption [1:42:55] under [1:42:56] section [1:42:56] 5 of [1:42:57] SB 1872, [1:42:59] the [1:42:59] absorption [1:43:00] of the [1:43:00] provincial [1:43:01] and [1:43:01] subprovincial [1:43:02] jails [1:43:02] into the [1:43:03] BJMP [1:43:03] will have [1:43:04] significant [1:43:05] implications [1:43:06] to existing [1:43:07] employees, [1:43:08] particularly [1:43:08] those occupying [1:43:10] first-level [1:43:10] positions. [1:43:12] It must be [1:43:13] noted that [1:43:13] when the [1:43:14] BJMP ranks [1:43:15] were [1:43:15] professionalized [1:43:16] under [1:43:16] RA-9263 [1:43:17] and [1:43:17] 592, [1:43:19] the minimum [1:43:20] education [1:43:20] requirement [1:43:21] was upgraded [1:43:22] to completion [1:43:23] of a [1:43:23] baccalaureate [1:43:24] degree, [1:43:25] and consequently, [1:43:26] the corresponding [1:43:27] eligibility [1:43:27] requirement [1:43:28] was upgraded [1:43:29] to second [1:43:29] level or [1:43:30] professional [1:43:31] eligibility. [1:43:32] In this [1:43:33] regard, [1:43:33] it's [1:43:33] recommended [1:43:34] that a [1:43:34] provision [1:43:35] be included [1:43:35] to allow [1:43:36] existing [1:43:36] employees [1:43:37] of provincial [1:43:38] and subprovincial [1:43:39] jails who [1:43:41] do not [1:43:41] currently [1:43:42] meet the [1:43:42] qualification [1:43:43] standards [1:43:43] an opportunity [1:43:44] to comply [1:43:45] with the [1:43:45] required [1:43:46] standards [1:43:46] within a [1:43:47] specific [1:43:47] period, [1:43:49] example, [1:43:50] minimum [1:43:50] of five-year [1:43:51] transition [1:43:52] period in [1:43:53] order to be [1:43:53] absorbed [1:43:54] into the [1:43:54] BJMP. [1:43:56] Relatedly, [1:43:57] Section 5 [1:43:58] of SB [1:43:58] Numbers 203 [1:44:00] 886 [1:44:00] 1196 [1:44:02] N1273 [1:44:03] provides a [1:44:04] provision for [1:44:05] this matter [1:44:06] which states [1:44:07] provided that [1:44:08] the BJMP [1:44:09] shall take [1:44:10] proactive [1:44:10] measures in [1:44:11] training and [1:44:12] enhancing the [1:44:13] capacity of [1:44:13] employees and [1:44:15] personnel of [1:44:16] provincial and [1:44:16] subprovincial [1:44:17] jails to [1:44:18] obtain the [1:44:18] necessary [1:44:19] qualifications [1:44:20] provided further [1:44:22] that those [1:44:22] who will fail [1:44:23] to comply with [1:44:24] the qualification [1:44:24] standards at [1:44:26] the time of [1:44:26] transfer shall [1:44:28] be given [1:44:28] five years [1:44:29] from reach [1:44:30] to comply [1:44:31] as provided [1:44:33] for in this [1:44:33] act to [1:44:34] complete the [1:44:34] necessary [1:44:35] requirements for [1:44:36] the concerned [1:44:36] position. [1:44:38] This [1:44:38] foregoing [1:44:39] provision may [1:44:39] be adopted [1:44:40] to ensure [1:44:41] that existing [1:44:41] employees in [1:44:42] the provincial [1:44:43] and subprovincial [1:44:44] jails who [1:44:45] do not yet [1:44:45] meet the [1:44:46] qualification [1:44:46] standards for [1:44:47] absorption [1:44:48] into the [1:44:48] BJMP are [1:44:49] afforded a [1:44:50] reasonable and [1:44:50] definite period [1:44:51] of time with [1:44:52] increased to [1:44:53] comply with [1:44:53] the requirements [1:44:54] for the [1:44:54] respective [1:44:55] positions. [1:44:57] As regards [1:44:57] section 7 [1:44:58] or the [1:45:00] special [1:45:00] oversight [1:45:01] committee of [1:45:02] SB 1872, [1:45:04] the CSC [1:45:05] interposed its [1:45:06] reservation [1:45:07] considering that [1:45:09] membership in [1:45:17] such committee [1:45:18] as issues [1:45:20] arising from [1:45:21] the implementation [1:45:22] of the act [1:45:22] may be brought [1:45:23] before the [1:45:24] CSC for [1:45:24] resolution, [1:45:25] especially on [1:45:26] human resources [1:45:26] matters. [1:45:28] That's for the [1:45:29] two key points [1:45:30] for the [1:45:30] Civil Service [1:45:31] Commission, [1:45:31] your honor. [1:45:32] Thank you, [1:45:33] ma'am. [1:45:34] Next will [1:45:34] be the [1:45:35] let's hear [1:45:36] from the [1:45:36] provincial [1:45:37] positions, [1:45:39] the [1:45:39] provincial. [1:45:40] Let's hear [1:45:41] first from [1:45:42] the League of [1:45:42] Provinces of [1:45:43] the Philippines [1:45:43] and then [1:45:45] followed by [1:45:46] Union of [1:45:46] Local [1:45:47] Authorities of [1:45:47] the [1:45:48] Philippines [1:45:48] and then [1:45:48] Provincial [1:45:49] Government of [1:45:50] Batangas. [1:45:51] Sige po, [1:45:52] sa League of [1:45:53] Provinces. [1:45:54] Yes, good [1:45:54] morning, [1:45:55] Mr. Chair. [1:45:55] Yes, ma'am. [1:45:56] The League of [1:45:58] Provinces has [1:45:58] submitted its [1:45:59] position paper on [1:46:00] 10 March [1:46:01] 2026, so [1:46:03] we're just [1:46:03] going to read [1:46:04] some portions [1:46:05] of our [1:46:05] position paper [1:46:06] po. [1:46:07] So, firstly, [1:46:08] the League is [1:46:10] of the [1:46:10] position that [1:46:11] the jail [1:46:13] integration bills [1:46:15] is counter [1:46:15] devolution and [1:46:16] contrary to the [1:46:17] spirit of the [1:46:18] local government [1:46:19] code. [1:46:20] However, the [1:46:21] argument in [1:46:22] integrating jail [1:46:23] management and [1:46:24] services to [1:46:24] ensure compliance [1:46:25] with international [1:46:27] standards may be [1:46:28] valid, as some [1:46:29] provinces are [1:46:30] amenable to the [1:46:31] transfer, but [1:46:32] there are other [1:46:33] provinces who are [1:46:34] not. [1:46:35] This is why the [1:46:36] League has not [1:46:36] adopted a uniform [1:46:37] position mandating [1:46:39] full transfer, as [1:46:41] it is recognized [1:46:42] that such decision [1:46:43] should be addressed [1:46:44] on a case-to-case [1:46:46] basis, depending on [1:46:47] the circumstances and [1:46:48] capacities of the [1:46:49] provinces concerned. [1:46:51] The BJMP has [1:46:52] already mentioned [1:46:53] that there are at [1:46:54] least [1:46:54] 52 provinces [1:46:57] who are, who [1:47:00] have transferred [1:47:01] the, have [1:47:03] entered into [1:47:03] memorandum of [1:47:04] agreement with [1:47:05] the BJMP for [1:47:06] the management of [1:47:07] the provincial [1:47:07] jails. [1:47:08] However, there [1:47:09] are some who [1:47:10] have really [1:47:10] expressed that [1:47:11] they would not [1:47:12] rather, they [1:47:13] would rather keep [1:47:14] their functions [1:47:15] for the [1:47:16] provincial jail. [1:47:17] So, parang, [1:47:18] Mr. Chair, our [1:47:18] compromise is that [1:47:20] we do this on a [1:47:21] case-to-case [1:47:21] basis. [1:47:22] So, instead of [1:47:23] providing in the [1:47:24] law that the [1:47:26] use of the word [1:47:26] shall, if we [1:47:28] can put it on a [1:47:29] may, exchange the [1:47:31] word shall with [1:47:32] may. [1:47:34] And then, [1:47:34] however, the [1:47:35] League is not in [1:47:36] favor of provisions [1:47:37] requiring the [1:47:38] transfer of LGU [1:47:39] resources and [1:47:40] facilities to the [1:47:41] BJMP, including [1:47:42] land where current [1:47:43] provincial jails are [1:47:44] located. [1:47:46] This has no legal [1:47:49] and factual basis [1:47:50] and relative there. [1:47:51] So, that's why [1:47:52] the League imposes [1:47:53] its clear objection [1:47:54] to this provision. [1:47:57] General position [1:47:58] is that the League [1:47:59] recognizes that a [1:48:00] legislative measure [1:48:02] is necessary should [1:48:04] there be a policy [1:48:05] to transfer provincial [1:48:06] jails to the BJMP. [1:48:08] However, such [1:48:09] measure must respect [1:48:10] the principles of [1:48:11] decentralization and [1:48:12] local autonomy and [1:48:14] must not impose a [1:48:15] mandatory transfer that [1:48:16] disregards the [1:48:17] varying capacities [1:48:18] and conditions of [1:48:19] the provinces. [1:48:20] So, we have six [1:48:22] recommendations, Mr. [1:48:24] Chair. [1:48:24] First is to allow but [1:48:26] not mandate the [1:48:27] transfer of the [1:48:28] provincial jails to [1:48:29] the BJMP. [1:48:30] And then, relative to [1:48:32] this, leave the [1:48:33] decision to transfer [1:48:34] to the respective [1:48:36] provinces subject to [1:48:37] approval by the [1:48:38] respective Sanggunian [1:48:39] Panlalawigans. [1:48:41] Then, third is to [1:48:42] remove the provisions [1:48:43] requiring the [1:48:44] transfer of provincial [1:48:45] assets, properties, [1:48:47] and funds to the [1:48:47] BJMP. [1:48:48] Once the province [1:48:50] agrees to transfer [1:48:53] the functions, the [1:48:55] management, the [1:48:56] control, and [1:48:57] supervision of the [1:48:58] provincial jails to [1:48:59] the BJMP, that [1:49:00] necessarily means that [1:49:02] they are already [1:49:04] giving up their [1:49:06] mandate on the [1:49:07] provincial jails. [1:49:08] So, I do not think [1:49:09] that the LGUs are [1:49:11] legally mandated to [1:49:15] be continuing to [1:49:16] fund this. [1:49:17] So, fourth is that [1:49:21] we propose to [1:49:22] institutionalize [1:49:23] mechanisms that [1:49:24] will allow flexible [1:49:25] arrangements such as [1:49:27] MOAs for technical [1:49:28] assistance and jail [1:49:29] management support. [1:49:31] Then, fifth, ensure [1:49:32] that such arrangement [1:49:33] will avoid disruption [1:49:34] of services and [1:49:35] promote smoother [1:49:36] coordination and more [1:49:37] efficient relationship [1:49:39] between the BJMP and [1:49:40] concerned provinces. [1:49:42] And last, upon the [1:49:44] completion of the [1:49:45] three-year transition [1:49:46] period for the [1:49:47] transfer of the [1:49:48] provincial jails to [1:49:49] the BJMP, the [1:49:50] concerned provinces [1:49:51] shall be relieved of [1:49:52] the function of [1:49:53] allocating funds for [1:49:55] the maintenance and [1:49:56] improvement of jails [1:49:57] and detention centers [1:49:59] and subsistence of [1:50:00] detainees and [1:50:01] convicted personnel. [1:50:03] The same cost should [1:50:04] be shouldered by the [1:50:05] BJMP under the [1:50:07] General Appropriations [1:50:08] Act. [1:50:09] Thank you, Mr. Chair. [1:50:10] Ma'am, may we just [1:50:14] have an idea, ilan po [1:50:15] yung favor and how [1:50:18] we are not favor sa [1:50:19] mga probinsya kung [1:50:20] meron po kayong [1:50:21] count? [1:50:22] Mr. Chair, nagbabari po [1:50:25] yung numbers for now [1:50:27] kasi there are, we [1:50:29] understand that this [1:50:30] already crossed at least [1:50:32] four congresses. [1:50:33] See, if I'm not [1:50:34] mistaken, this bill [1:50:36] started in the 17th [1:50:37] Congress. [1:50:38] Tapos, kapag nag-change [1:50:41] rin ng administration, [1:50:43] minsan may mga [1:50:43] provinces na, may [1:50:45] mga governors na in [1:50:47] favor and then the [1:50:48] next, the succeeding [1:50:49] governor nag-change na [1:50:50] po ng position. [1:50:52] So, we do not have a, [1:50:54] what they call this, a [1:50:55] current number for now. [1:50:57] Although BJMP will have [1:50:58] a number of the [1:50:59] provinces who entered [1:51:01] into AMOA with them, [1:51:02] which we understand to [1:51:04] mean that in favor sila [1:51:06] sa pag-transfer ng [1:51:08] kanilang provincial [1:51:08] jails, Mr. Chair. [1:51:10] What's up? [1:51:11] Siguro lang, just [1:51:12] ano kayang idea, [1:51:13] ano kayang, just [1:51:14] have an idea, ano [1:51:15] po ba yung, ano [1:51:16] na, concerns, no? [1:51:18] Why they have [1:51:19] apprehensions on the [1:51:20] said integration. [1:51:21] Kasi this will [1:51:21] professionalize the [1:51:23] management by having [1:51:27] it supervised by the [1:51:28] BJMP. [1:51:30] Is it, ano, is it [1:51:30] the concern, syempre [1:51:31] nag-LGU din ako. [1:51:33] Syempre, concern ko [1:51:33] dyan, yung [1:51:34] displacement of, [1:51:36] of, halimbawa, [1:51:39] provincial guides or [1:51:40] workers, could there [1:51:43] be, ano, kung meron [1:51:44] bang, ano, some, some [1:51:45] will be absorbed, those [1:51:46] who will qualify. [1:51:48] No, ang naging, ano, [1:51:49] sabi ni Comsec, last [1:51:50] time, the agreement was [1:51:52] those who will not be, [1:51:53] will not be absorbed [1:51:55] because hindi who [1:51:56] will qualify will be [1:51:57] absorbed by the local [1:51:59] government. [1:51:59] But, yung kanilang [1:52:01] service will be [1:52:03] continuous para hindi [1:52:04] ma-disrupt. [1:52:06] So, probably, that's [1:52:07] the, one of the [1:52:09] reasons. [1:52:10] There will be a [1:52:10] compromise naman, eh. [1:52:11] Kasi, parang [1:52:12] ang hihirap naman, [1:52:13] if we will pass this, [1:52:15] tapos, ano, [1:52:16] optional, no, yung [1:52:17] May, yung sinasabi [1:52:19] yan kanina. [1:52:20] But, we would want [1:52:21] to get the, ano, [1:52:21] also, of course, we [1:52:22] respect, as a former [1:52:24] local government [1:52:25] official, we respect [1:52:26] the HLGU, yung local [1:52:27] government code, [1:52:28] autonomy. [1:52:28] But, if this will, [1:52:31] siguro, we have to [1:52:32] weigh things, that if [1:52:33] this will improve [1:52:34] the service, especially, [1:52:35] yung pong condition [1:52:36] and handling of our [1:52:38] PDLs, then, probably, [1:52:39] it's worth looking at. [1:52:41] Yes, Mr. Chair, [1:52:42] tama po kayo. [1:52:43] The first, [1:52:44] the first agam-agam [1:52:47] nila is the [1:52:48] displacement of the [1:52:50] personnel. [1:52:51] Yung din ang naisip ko, eh. [1:52:52] Dahil ako rin, yung [1:52:53] yung naisip ko. [1:52:53] Pero, nagsabi naman [1:52:55] ang BJMP that [1:52:56] those who will [1:52:57] qualify will be [1:52:59] absorbed, but [1:53:00] those who will not [1:53:01] be, siguro, ang [1:53:02] proposal natin [1:53:03] ng committee is [1:53:04] that it will be [1:53:05] absorbed by the [1:53:06] local government. [1:53:07] Pero yung kanila pong [1:53:08] service, continuous, [1:53:11] no? [1:53:12] Kung baga parang [1:53:12] hindi walang disruption, [1:53:13] it will be [1:53:14] considered. [1:53:15] Siguro, pwedeng, ano, [1:53:16] yun, no? [1:53:16] We can discuss that [1:53:18] further to the, [1:53:19] with the [1:53:19] different provinces. [1:53:22] Then, Mr. Chair, [1:53:23] I think there's also, [1:53:24] there are some bills [1:53:25] kasi na sinasabi, [1:53:26] once na-transfer na yung [1:53:27] provincial operation, [1:53:29] management, and [1:53:30] supervision of the [1:53:31] provincial jails to the [1:53:33] BJMP, mananatili pa rin [1:53:35] po sa LGUs yung cost [1:53:37] ng operation and [1:53:39] maintenance. [1:53:40] So, that is one of the [1:53:42] second thoughts or of [1:53:45] some LGUs. [1:53:47] That's the source of [1:53:48] their, what they call [1:53:49] this, the opposition. [1:53:52] Pero once ma-transfer [1:53:54] naman po siguro yung [1:53:56] costs for running the [1:53:58] provincial jail, I think [1:53:59] medyo baka pwede na [1:54:01] pong mapag-usapan uli. [1:54:03] Because we have held [1:54:04] several, a number of [1:54:05] meetings with the BJMP [1:54:06] before. [1:54:08] Yun po po yung [1:54:08] position nila na the [1:54:10] league does not take a [1:54:11] collective position. [1:54:13] So, on a case-to-case [1:54:14] basis. [1:54:16] Thank you po. [1:54:48] Well, we hear you, [1:54:49] no? [1:54:49] In fact, we have [1:54:50] heard, we have some, [1:54:54] we wrote letters to [1:54:55] the different provinces [1:54:56] already, may ibang [1:54:57] nag-respond na, mayroon [1:54:58] po mga favor, no? [1:55:00] Some provinces, but [1:55:01] there are also who are [1:55:02] opposed, no? [1:55:04] So, syempre, yung [1:55:06] pangunay ng panakawang [1:55:06] batas na ito, yung [1:55:08] integration ng BJMP [1:55:09] ay to relieve the LGUs [1:55:11] of their responsibilities [1:55:13] ng jail management [1:55:14] upang makapag-focus sila [1:55:17] in other basic services. [1:55:18] And also, yung more [1:55:19] importantly, the [1:55:20] professional handling [1:55:22] of PDLs, no? [1:55:25] So, yun ba, siguro [1:55:28] sang-ayob po ang mga [1:55:29] local governors, isuko [1:55:30] ang control sa kanilang [1:55:31] mga prasilitan, kapalit [1:55:32] ng fiscal relief. [1:55:33] So, that will be [1:55:34] probably the question. [1:55:36] Siguro, yan ang dapat [1:55:36] nating i-address, no? [1:55:42] The concerns of [1:55:43] different LGUs. [1:55:45] For the [1:55:45] informational body, may [1:55:46] natanggap na rin po kaming [1:55:47] position from the [1:55:48] province of Bulacan. [1:55:50] They believe that this [1:55:51] responsibility must remain [1:55:52] vested in the province, [1:55:53] which they believe is [1:55:54] consistent with the local [1:55:55] government code, and the [1:55:56] constitution. [1:56:00] Tapos, meron pa, ano pa, [1:56:01] ano, yung, but there are [1:56:02] other provinces that are [1:56:04] in favor, like, ano ba, [1:56:05] to, Bataan, Southern [1:56:08] Leyte, and I think, [1:56:09] Camarines, Norte. [1:56:10] So, we're waiting for the [1:56:12] responses. [1:56:13] So, yun po. [1:56:21] We can ask, probably, [1:56:22] you can go next to [1:56:23] ULAP, Union of Local [1:56:25] Authorities of the [1:56:26] Philippines, yun pong [1:56:27] position niya po, regarding [1:56:28] the jail integration. [1:56:30] Good afternoon, Mr. Chair. [1:56:31] I'll keep this relatively [1:56:33] short. [1:56:34] ULAP finds the legislative [1:56:35] intent of the bills on the [1:56:36] transfer of control and [1:56:38] supervision of provincial [1:56:40] jails to the BJMP to be [1:56:41] reasonable for the [1:56:43] standardization of jail [1:56:44] services. [1:56:45] However, while some [1:56:46] province may be amenable [1:56:48] to this, we see possible [1:56:49] difficulties in the [1:56:50] application of the [1:56:51] provisions, should it [1:56:52] become a law, considering [1:56:54] that each province has [1:56:55] evolved the administration [1:56:57] of their jails. [1:56:58] Given that, ULAP, as the [1:56:59] umbrella organization of all [1:57:01] leagues of LGUs and [1:57:02] locally elected officials, [1:57:03] the first is the League of [1:57:04] Provinces of the [1:57:05] Philippines, since their [1:57:06] members will be the most [1:57:07] affected stakeholders, [1:57:08] should it become a law. [1:57:10] Thank you, po. [1:57:12] Okay, attorney. [1:57:13] Thank you, attorney [1:57:14] Untalan. [1:57:16] Next, sigur. [1:57:22] Ah, sa province [1:57:22] of Patangas, is here [1:57:23] pala. [1:57:24] At least, and dito. [1:57:25] Thank you for coming, [1:57:26] sir. [1:57:28] Add the law po kayo. [1:57:29] Sige po. [1:57:29] Please, sino po magsasalta? [1:57:32] Thank you, Mr. Chair. [1:57:33] Good morning, po, everyone, [1:57:35] to the distinguished [1:57:35] guests. [1:57:36] And I'm attorney [1:57:37] Yosier Marco, video [1:57:38] comp. [1:57:39] I am here to represent [1:57:40] and provide the views [1:57:41] and stance of the [1:57:42] provincial government [1:57:43] of Patangas. [1:57:43] Yes, please, go ahead. [1:57:45] First of all, po, we [1:57:46] support the passage of [1:57:47] this SB number [1:57:49] 886, 1273, 203, and [1:57:51] 1196, considering that [1:57:53] this would actually [1:57:54] alleviate and cure some [1:57:55] of the issues we are [1:57:56] facing in the province [1:57:57] of Patangas. [1:57:58] Just to paint a small [1:57:59] picture, po, in the [1:58:01] provincial jail of [1:58:01] Patangas, we are [1:58:02] actually taking care of [1:58:03] actually around 500 [1:58:05] PDLs, persons [1:58:07] deprived of liberty, [1:58:09] which should actually [1:58:10] be under the [1:58:10] jurisdiction of the [1:58:11] BGMP. [1:58:13] And this 500 [1:58:14] PDLs actually [1:58:17] composes 60% [1:58:18] of the population [1:58:20] of our provincial [1:58:21] jail. [1:58:22] Therefore, if this [1:58:23] law passes, [1:58:25] this would actually [1:58:26] cure this issue [1:58:27] for the province [1:58:28] of Patangas [1:58:29] specifically. [1:58:30] In addition to this, [1:58:31] in relation to the [1:58:33] issue on the [1:58:34] displaced personnel, [1:58:36] I can only speak for [1:58:37] the province of [1:58:37] Patangas, but we [1:58:39] have already spoken [1:58:40] with our personnel [1:58:42] in the provincial [1:58:42] jail, and we have [1:58:43] assured them that [1:58:44] we will protect [1:58:47] their security of [1:58:48] tenure, whether [1:58:48] they be placed in [1:58:50] the BGMP or in [1:58:52] the local government [1:58:52] of Patangas. [1:58:54] Just to keep it [1:58:54] brief, Mr. [1:58:56] Chair, we will [1:58:56] provide our views [1:58:57] and comments [1:58:58] after this committee [1:58:59] hearing. [1:59:01] Thank you. [1:59:01] So the position [1:59:03] of the province [1:59:04] of Patangas is [1:59:05] supportive, and [1:59:06] they have assured [1:59:07] their jail [1:59:10] personnel, the [1:59:10] provincial guards, [1:59:12] that those that [1:59:12] will not be [1:59:13] absorbed will be [1:59:14] absorbed by the [1:59:15] LGU, or the [1:59:16] province. [1:59:17] Yes, Mr. Chair. [1:59:18] Thank you. [1:59:19] Thank you, [1:59:19] attorney. [1:59:24] Next is [1:59:24] one of the [1:59:25] liga of [1:59:25] barangay. [1:59:31] Oh, no. [1:59:33] He was [1:59:34] here. [1:59:36] Sumama [1:59:37] sa fire. [1:59:38] Hindi pa [1:59:39] sila dapat [1:59:39] malis. [1:59:40] Anyway, [1:59:44] we can [1:59:45] siguro sa [1:59:46] few questions [1:59:47] according to [1:59:48] the report [1:59:48] you submitted [1:59:49] sa BGMP [1:59:50] to the [1:59:51] committee [1:59:52] in the [1:59:52] previous [1:59:52] series, [1:59:53] mayroong [1:59:53] significant [1:59:53] improvement [1:59:54] in the [1:59:54] national [1:59:55] congestion [1:59:55] rate [1:59:56] dropping [1:59:56] from [1:59:57] 612% [1:59:58] in [1:59:59] 2017 [2:00:00] to [2:00:00] 279% [2:00:01] in [2:00:02] 2025. [2:00:04] So what [2:00:05] the sudden [2:00:05] absorption [2:00:06] of high [2:00:06] density [2:00:06] provincial [2:00:07] jail [2:00:08] reverse [2:00:08] these gains [2:00:09] and cause [2:00:10] another [2:00:11] spike [2:00:11] in your [2:00:11] congestion [2:00:12] statistics? [2:00:12] Baka [2:00:14] mamaya [2:00:15] nag-improve [2:00:15] na [2:00:15] from [2:00:16] 612% [2:00:17] to [2:00:17] 79% [2:00:18] So [2:00:19] won't [2:00:22] this [2:00:22] absorption [2:00:23] cause [2:00:24] another [2:00:24] spike [2:00:24] in your [2:00:24] congestion [2:00:25] statistics? [2:00:27] Hindi kaya [2:00:27] makadagdag [2:00:28] ito? [2:00:29] Thank you [2:00:30] Mr. [2:00:31] Chair, [2:00:31] your honor. [2:00:32] After all, [2:00:32] sir, [2:00:32] our [2:00:33] congestion [2:00:33] rate [2:00:33] is [2:00:34] measured [2:00:35] in [2:00:36] individual [2:00:36] jail [2:00:37] facility. [2:00:38] So if [2:00:39] the [2:00:39] congestion [2:00:40] rate, [2:00:41] say for [2:00:41] example, [2:00:42] in one [2:00:42] provincial [2:00:43] jail [2:00:43] is this [2:00:44] high, [2:00:45] even if [2:00:47] it will [2:00:47] be [2:00:47] transferred [2:00:47] to [2:00:48] the [2:00:48] BGMP, [2:00:49] the [2:00:49] congestion [2:00:50] rate [2:00:50] remains, [2:00:51] sir, [2:00:52] unless [2:00:52] if [2:00:53] the [2:00:54] BGMP [2:00:54] will be [2:00:55] given [2:00:56] the [2:00:56] authority [2:00:57] to [2:00:57] transfer [2:00:58] some [2:00:59] of [2:00:59] that [2:00:59] PDL [2:00:59] to [2:00:59] other [2:01:00] BGMP [2:01:01] manned [2:01:01] facility. [2:01:02] So you [2:01:06] plan to [2:01:06] transfer [2:01:07] the [2:01:08] congested [2:01:09] city [2:01:09] jail [2:01:09] for [2:01:10] example, [2:01:10] to [2:01:10] lesser [2:01:11] congested, [2:01:12] less [2:01:12] crowded [2:01:13] provincial [2:01:13] facilities? [2:01:14] Yes, [2:01:14] your [2:01:14] honor, [2:01:14] sir, [2:01:15] that's [2:01:15] the [2:01:15] idea. [2:01:15] Because [2:01:15] in [2:01:16] the [2:01:16] BGMP, [2:01:17] we are [2:01:17] managing [2:01:18] several [2:01:19] city [2:01:20] or [2:01:20] municipal [2:01:20] jails [2:01:21] in [2:01:21] one [2:01:21] particular [2:01:22] province. [2:01:23] And [2:01:23] some [2:01:24] of [2:01:24] those [2:01:24] jails [2:01:25] are [2:01:25] congested, [2:01:26] some [2:01:26] are [2:01:26] not. [2:01:27] So we [2:01:27] may [2:01:28] transfer [2:01:29] the [2:01:30] congested, [2:01:31] some [2:01:31] PDL in [2:01:32] a [2:01:32] congested [2:01:32] facility [2:01:33] to [2:01:33] not [2:01:34] congested [2:01:34] one. [2:01:38] Next, [2:01:39] we are [2:01:39] looking at [2:01:40] over 80 [2:01:40] provincial [2:01:41] and [2:01:41] sub-provincial [2:01:42] jails. [2:01:43] Nationwide [2:01:44] under [2:01:44] my bill [2:01:46] and [2:01:47] others [2:01:47] presented, [2:01:48] the [2:01:48] BGMP [2:01:48] is [2:01:48] expected [2:01:49] to [2:01:49] absorb [2:01:49] all [2:01:50] existing [2:01:50] personnel [2:01:51] is the [2:01:52] BGMP [2:01:52] truly [2:01:53] ready [2:01:53] not [2:01:53] just [2:01:54] on [2:01:54] paper [2:01:54] but [2:01:55] in terms [2:01:55] of [2:01:55] actual [2:01:56] manpower [2:01:56] and [2:01:56] logistical [2:01:57] capability [2:01:58] to absorb [2:01:59] these [2:01:59] facilities [2:01:59] and [2:02:00] personnel [2:02:00] within [2:02:02] the [2:02:02] three-year [2:02:02] prescribed [2:02:03] period, [2:02:04] three-year [2:02:04] lang yung [2:02:04] transition [2:02:05] period, [2:02:05] so [2:02:06] without [2:02:06] compromising [2:02:07] your [2:02:08] current [2:02:08] operations, [2:02:10] so [2:02:11] kaya ba [2:02:11] natin [2:02:11] i-absorb [2:02:12] yung [2:02:12] personnel, [2:02:14] yung [2:02:14] logistics [2:02:15] ng [2:02:15] 80 [2:02:16] provincial [2:02:16] and [2:02:16] sub-provincial [2:02:17] jails [2:02:17] within [2:02:18] three [2:02:18] years? [2:02:19] Yes, [2:02:20] sir, [2:02:20] your [2:02:20] honor, [2:02:20] because [2:02:21] currently, [2:02:22] sir, [2:02:22] the [2:02:23] BGMP [2:02:24] has [2:02:25] more than [2:02:27] 26,000 [2:02:28] personnel [2:02:29] nationwide, [2:02:30] and [2:02:30] sanay naman, [2:02:32] sir, [2:02:32] ang BGMP [2:02:33] na [2:02:33] nag-multitask, [2:02:36] so if [2:02:37] the provincial [2:02:38] jails will be [2:02:39] given to the [2:02:40] BGMP, [2:02:41] yung mga [2:02:42] personnel namin, [2:02:42] sir, [2:02:43] maglilipat lang [2:02:44] kami ng [2:02:44] personnel [2:02:45] sa [2:02:45] provincial [2:02:46] jails, [2:02:46] and [2:02:50] besides, [2:02:51] sir, [2:02:51] we are [2:02:52] given by [2:02:52] the [2:02:53] DBM [2:02:53] additional [2:02:54] of [2:02:54] 2,000 [2:02:55] jail [2:02:55] officers [2:02:55] every [2:02:56] year, [2:02:58] mayroon [2:02:58] po kami [2:02:59] additional [2:02:59] na [2:02:59] 2,000 [2:03:00] personnel [2:03:00] every [2:03:01] year. [2:03:06] So [2:03:07] sa usapin [2:03:08] ng [2:03:08] integration [2:03:08] policy, [2:03:09] paano [2:03:09] natin [2:03:10] may kita [2:03:10] ang [2:03:10] magiging [2:03:11] framework [2:03:11] ng [2:03:11] BGMP [2:03:12] para sa [2:03:13] integration [2:03:13] facility [2:03:14] readiness [2:03:14] assessments, [2:03:16] particularly [2:03:16] structural [2:03:17] integrity, [2:03:18] fire [2:03:18] safety, [2:03:19] compliance [2:03:19] to the [2:03:19] national [2:03:20] detention [2:03:20] standards. [2:03:22] So [2:03:22] yun po. [2:03:23] Actual, [2:03:24] sir, [2:03:24] we have [2:03:24] done it [2:03:25] before. [2:03:25] At [2:03:26] present, [2:03:26] sir, [2:03:26] actually, [2:03:27] we already [2:03:27] have 11 [2:03:29] provincial [2:03:29] governments [2:03:31] that [2:03:32] transferred [2:03:33] the [2:03:34] administration [2:03:34] and [2:03:34] supervision [2:03:35] of their [2:03:35] provincial [2:03:36] jails [2:03:36] to the [2:03:36] BGMP. [2:03:37] We [2:03:38] have [2:03:38] done it [2:03:38] through [2:03:39] execution [2:03:40] of [2:03:40] memorandum [2:03:41] of [2:03:41] agreement. [2:03:42] However, [2:03:43] sadly, [2:03:43] in 2020, [2:03:44] the DOJ [2:03:46] founded [2:03:46] UltraVires [2:03:47] and [2:03:48] COA, [2:03:50] nagkaroon po [2:03:51] ng COA [2:03:51] findings na [2:03:52] pinababalik [2:03:54] sa amin, [2:03:54] pinababalik [2:03:56] sa amin [2:03:56] yung provincial [2:03:57] jails [2:03:57] sa respective [2:03:58] provincial [2:03:59] governors. [2:04:00] However, [2:04:00] ginawa naman po [2:04:01] sa amin, [2:04:01] binabalik [2:04:02] namin, [2:04:02] pero ayaw na [2:04:03] talagang tanggapin [2:04:04] pabalik [2:04:05] ng mga [2:04:05] governors [2:04:06] because [2:04:06] iniwanan na nila, [2:04:07] sir, [2:04:08] at naniniwala [2:04:08] sila na [2:04:09] kami yung [2:04:10] dapat talagang [2:04:10] nagmamanage [2:04:11] ng provincial [2:04:11] jails. [2:04:12] So, [2:04:13] katulad, sir, [2:04:14] nung ginawa namin, [2:04:14] through MOA, [2:04:15] nagkaroon din, sir, [2:04:16] ng three-year [2:04:16] transition period [2:04:17] during that time [2:04:18] between the [2:04:19] BGMP [2:04:19] and the [2:04:20] provincial [2:04:20] governments. [2:04:21] Yung kanila po [2:04:22] mga [2:04:22] personnel [2:04:22] ay [2:04:23] during the [2:04:24] transition period [2:04:25] naka-augment [2:04:26] sa BGMP [2:04:28] sa pagbabantay [2:04:28] ng provincial [2:04:29] jails. [2:04:30] And yung mga [2:04:31] qualified po [2:04:32] na pasok sa [2:04:33] qualification [2:04:34] standards set by [2:04:35] the Civil [2:04:35] Service Commission [2:04:36] were absorbed [2:04:37] by the [2:04:37] BGMP. [2:04:38] In fact, [2:04:39] marami po [2:04:39] mga former [2:04:40] provincial jail [2:04:40] guards [2:04:41] na ngayon [2:04:41] ay jail [2:04:41] officers na. [2:04:43] So, [2:04:43] ganoon po. [2:04:43] Then, [2:04:44] during the [2:04:45] transition period [2:04:45] also, [2:04:46] the [2:04:47] provincial [2:04:47] governments [2:04:49] are helping [2:04:51] the [2:04:51] BGMP [2:04:52] through [2:04:54] sila, [2:04:55] sir, [2:04:55] yung nag-ano [2:04:56] sa MOA, [2:04:57] sa water bills, [2:04:59] electricity bills, [2:05:00] something like that. [2:05:01] Nagpo-provide din, sir, [2:05:02] sila ng mga [2:05:03] gasoline allowance [2:05:04] of supplies, [2:05:06] including yung [2:05:06] ano, sir, [2:05:08] yung ibang mga [2:05:09] equipment nila [2:05:10] like firearms [2:05:10] and vehicles. [2:05:12] So, [2:05:12] pinapahirap po nila [2:05:13] sa amin. [2:05:13] Until such time [2:05:14] na after [2:05:15] than three years, [2:05:16] fully, [2:05:16] BGMP na po [2:05:17] yung talaga [2:05:17] yung nagmamanage. [2:05:20] So, [2:05:20] I think, [2:05:20] kung [2:05:21] may papasay [2:05:22] yung bill, [2:05:22] sir, [2:05:22] ganoon din, [2:05:23] sir, [2:05:23] yung scheme [2:05:25] na mangyayari [2:05:25] during the [2:05:26] transition period. [2:05:30] So, [2:05:30] siguro, [2:05:30] sa usapin [2:05:32] ng pasilidad, [2:05:32] facilities, [2:05:33] most provincial [2:05:34] jails, [2:05:36] facilities are [2:05:37] much, [2:05:37] much older [2:05:38] than those [2:05:38] current [2:05:40] facility [2:05:41] under the [2:05:42] bureau, [2:05:42] being managed [2:05:43] by the [2:05:43] bureau. [2:05:44] So, [2:05:45] based sa [2:05:45] current [2:05:45] facility [2:05:46] development [2:05:46] plan, [2:05:47] meron naman [2:05:47] kayong [2:05:48] initial [2:05:48] audit [2:05:48] dun sa [2:05:50] mga [2:05:50] provincial [2:05:52] jails [2:05:53] at current [2:05:54] provision [2:05:55] jails, [2:05:56] kung halimbawa [2:05:57] na i-absorb [2:05:58] ang BGMP [2:05:59] para ma-rehabilitate, [2:06:01] so, [2:06:01] meron ba tayong [2:06:02] kinakailangan, [2:06:02] of course, [2:06:03] may bagong capital, [2:06:04] may capital [2:06:05] outlay dito, [2:06:06] meron ba tayong [2:06:07] audit dito, [2:06:08] meron ba tayong [2:06:09] initial audit [2:06:13] para malaman natin [2:06:14] kung ilan yung [2:06:15] kailangan ayusin, [2:06:16] magkano kayo [2:06:16] kailangan, [2:06:17] para lang mapagandaan [2:06:18] natin just in case. [2:06:19] Since I also [2:06:20] handled [2:06:20] the [2:06:22] budget [2:06:24] of [2:06:25] the DILG [2:06:26] which includes [2:06:27] the BJMP. [2:06:35] I'm sorry, [2:06:35] sir. [2:06:36] Sir, [2:06:36] we have an estimate [2:06:36] of 4.5 [2:06:37] billion [2:06:38] to cover [2:06:40] the [2:06:40] budgetary [2:06:41] requirements [2:06:42] para sa [2:06:42] absorption [2:06:43] ng mga [2:06:44] provincial [2:06:44] jails. [2:06:45] 4.5 [2:06:46] billion? [2:06:46] Yes, [2:06:47] sir. [2:06:47] So, [2:06:48] for 80 [2:06:48] provinces [2:06:48] na po yan? [2:06:49] Yes, [2:06:50] sir. [2:06:52] For [2:06:52] 60 [2:06:54] provinces [2:06:54] because [2:06:55] yung [2:06:55] ibang [2:06:56] mga [2:06:56] provincial [2:06:56] jails [2:06:57] nasa [2:06:57] amin [2:06:57] na, [2:06:57] sir. [2:06:57] So, [2:06:59] 60 [2:07:00] na [2:07:00] na [2:07:00] pala? [2:07:00] Yes, [2:07:01] sir. [2:07:01] So, [2:07:02] sa DBM, [2:07:03] ma'am, [2:07:04] siguro [2:07:05] lasa po [2:07:05] para makaano [2:07:06] na kayo. [2:07:07] Meron po tayong [2:07:08] medium-term [2:07:09] fiscal [2:07:09] estimates [2:07:10] sa magiging [2:07:10] dagdag [2:07:10] na [2:07:11] obligasyon [2:07:11] ng [2:07:11] national [2:07:11] government [2:07:12] post [2:07:13] integration. [2:07:14] Is there [2:07:15] any [2:07:15] medium-term [2:07:17] fiscal [2:07:17] estimates [2:07:18] with [2:07:20] additional [2:07:20] obligations? [2:07:21] Yes, [2:07:22] sir. [2:07:23] We [2:07:24] relate to [2:07:25] the [2:07:25] submission [2:07:25] of the [2:07:26] BJMP, [2:07:26] sir, [2:07:26] kasi [2:07:27] sila [2:07:27] po yung [2:07:28] na [2:07:29] compute [2:07:30] ng [2:07:31] budgetary [2:07:32] requirements. [2:07:32] And what [2:07:33] we have [2:07:34] here is [2:07:35] the [2:07:35] submission [2:07:36] as of [2:07:38] January [2:07:38] 2026, [2:07:40] amounting [2:07:40] to [2:07:40] 3.4 [2:07:41] billion. [2:07:41] Thank you. [2:07:47] siguro [2:07:48] can [2:07:48] ask [2:07:49] DILG. [2:07:56] We [2:07:57] have [2:07:57] training [2:07:57] institutes [2:07:58] o, [2:07:59] Yusek. [2:08:00] Is there [2:08:00] a [2:08:01] modular [2:08:01] certification [2:08:02] pathways [2:08:02] na [2:08:02] pwedeng [2:08:03] i-take [2:08:04] ng mga [2:08:04] personnel [2:08:04] habang [2:08:05] nasa [2:08:05] servisyo [2:08:06] pa sila? [2:08:08] Training [2:08:11] po. [2:08:12] Meron [2:08:13] po yan [2:08:13] nasa [2:08:15] mandatory [2:08:16] training [2:08:18] and [2:08:18] mga [2:08:18] special [2:08:19] courses [2:08:20] under [2:08:21] Philippine [2:08:22] Public [2:08:23] Safety [2:08:23] College. [2:08:23] Thank you [2:08:26] po. [2:08:26] Siguro [2:08:26] before [2:08:27] we end [2:08:28] this, [2:08:29] just like [2:08:30] to ask [2:08:30] yung [2:08:30] feedback [2:08:31] sa [2:08:31] League [2:08:32] of [2:08:32] Provinces [2:08:33] ma'am [2:08:33] if you [2:08:34] can [2:08:34] help us [2:08:35] doon po [2:08:36] sa [2:08:37] we [2:08:38] wrote [2:08:38] the [2:08:39] letter [2:08:39] to [2:08:39] the [2:08:39] different [2:08:40] provinces [2:08:40] yung [2:08:40] mga [2:08:41] positions [2:08:41] nila [2:08:42] so [2:08:42] that [2:08:42] we [2:08:43] will [2:08:43] always [2:08:43] take [2:08:44] into [2:08:44] consideration [2:08:44] and [2:08:45] respect [2:08:45] of [2:08:45] course [2:08:46] the [2:08:46] local [2:08:47] government [2:08:47] unit [2:08:47] lalo [2:08:48] na [2:08:48] po [2:08:48] mga [2:08:48] pinja. [2:08:49] So [2:08:50] that [2:08:50] hindi [2:08:50] naman [2:08:50] pwede [2:08:51] sabihin [2:08:51] na [2:08:51] hindi [2:08:51] sila [2:08:52] kinonsulta [2:08:52] because [2:08:53] we [2:08:53] wrote [2:08:54] them [2:08:54] all [2:08:54] the [2:08:54] letter [2:08:55] the [2:08:55] committee [2:08:55] sent [2:08:55] letters [2:08:56] for [2:08:57] the [2:08:57] position [2:08:57] so [2:08:58] meron [2:08:58] mga [2:08:58] ilan [2:08:58] nag [2:08:58] respond [2:08:59] meron [2:08:59] merong [2:09:00] inantay [2:09:01] pa [2:09:01] so [2:09:01] meron [2:09:02] namang [2:09:02] ano [2:09:02] as [2:09:03] she said [2:09:03] wala [2:09:03] ho [2:09:03] kayong [2:09:04] idea [2:09:05] but [2:09:05] we [2:09:06] would [2:09:06] want [2:09:06] to [2:09:06] get [2:09:07] those [2:09:07] in [2:09:07] favor [2:09:08] and [2:09:08] those [2:09:09] who [2:09:09] are [2:09:09] not [2:09:09] so [2:09:09] probably [2:09:10] so [2:09:10] kung [2:09:10] meron [2:09:12] not [2:09:12] in [2:09:12] favor [2:09:13] then [2:09:13] probably [2:09:13] we [2:09:13] can [2:09:14] discuss [2:09:15] it [2:09:15] with [2:09:15] them [2:09:15] siguro [2:09:16] yung [2:09:17] BJMP [2:09:17] can [2:09:18] explain [2:09:19] we [2:09:21] just [2:09:22] want [2:09:22] to [2:09:22] make [2:09:23] sure [2:09:23] that [2:09:23] everyone [2:09:23] is [2:09:24] all [2:09:24] the [2:09:24] stakeholders [2:09:25] especially [2:09:25] it's [2:09:27] very [2:09:27] important [2:09:28] yung [2:09:28] positions [2:09:28] of [2:09:29] provinces [2:09:29] sige [2:09:31] po [2:09:31] Mr. [2:09:32] Chair [2:09:32] we [2:09:32] will [2:09:32] help [2:09:32] you [2:09:32] on [2:09:33] this [2:09:33] po [2:09:33] yes [2:09:37] since [2:09:37] there [2:09:37] are [2:09:37] no [2:09:38] more [2:09:38] matters [2:09:38] to [2:09:38] discuss [2:09:39] unless [2:09:40] anybody [2:09:40] would [2:09:41] want [2:09:41] to [2:09:41] add [2:09:42] anything [2:09:43] kung [2:09:43] wala [2:09:43] na [2:09:44] po [2:09:44] ay [2:09:44] magpapasalamat [2:09:47] committee [2:09:47] on [2:09:48] public [2:09:48] order [2:09:49] and [2:09:49] safety [2:09:49] sa [2:09:49] inyong [2:09:49] mga [2:09:53] tinalakay [2:09:54] na [2:09:54] mga [2:09:55] panukalan [2:09:56] batas [2:09:57] sa [2:09:57] umagang [2:09:58] ito [2:09:58] so [2:09:59] we [2:09:59] join [2:10:00] everyone [2:10:00] to [2:10:00] submit [2:10:01] their [2:10:01] respective [2:10:01] position [2:10:02] papers [2:10:02] to [2:10:03] the [2:10:03] committee [2:10:03] for [2:10:04] further [2:10:05] inputs [2:10:05] to [2:10:06] the [2:10:06] committee [2:10:06] for [2:10:06] the [2:10:06] enhancement [2:10:07] of [2:10:07] the [2:10:07] proposed [2:10:08] legislation [2:10:09] so [2:10:09] with [2:10:09] that [2:10:10] there [2:10:10] being [2:10:10] other [2:10:10] questions [2:10:11] this [2:10:11] hereby [2:10:12] adjourn [2:10:13] thank [2:10:15] you