House prosecution panel holds press briefing on impeachment trial updates — July 13

[1:48] Ladies and gentlemen of the House Media, welcome to the press meeting of our House Perseputors. [1:53] With us today is Dan Adragon, Representative Zia Alonta Adyong, former Congressman Robert Ace Barbers, [2:04] Attorney Benjamin J. Tulosa Jr., and Deputy Speaker Paulo Ortega V. [2:12] We're now ready to entertain your questions. [2:17] Haji? [2:20] Good morning, professors. [2:22] Over the weekend, sa isang interview po, sinabi ni Prosecutor Bel Zamora na dapat dumalo si VP Sara Duterte sa impeachment trial, [2:35] tulad po ng ginawa noon ni Chief Justice Renato Corona. [2:40] Kung sakali po na magpakita sa trial si VP, especially tomorrow, magkakaroon po ba ng pagbabago sa approach po ninyo [2:49] sa direct examination or sa palagay po ninyo papaano po makakaapekto yung pagdalo ni VP sa trial sa mga diskarte at saka sa strategies po ninyo? [3:01] Sa tingin ko, hindi naman makakaapekto yun dahil as we always say and always state that the prosecution panel, the prosecution team is prepared to do their direct examination sa mga witnesses at mga ebidensyang inilatag natin. [3:26] So kahit sinong umatend, wala naman hong epekto yan sa pagkondak ng direct examination doon sa ating mga witnesses. [3:36] Sa aking palagay, mas makakabuti na umatend ang ating pangalawang Pangulo sa ganon, e marinig natin kung ano ang sagot doon sa mga aligasyon na inailatag dito sa articles of impeachment na inihain ng ating House of Representatives. [3:58] I-dadagdag ko lang, it's not so much on the presentation of the case of the prosecution, it's her owning to her narrative that she is not guilty of all these charges and the people deserve to know from her the truth, at the very least denying all these allegations. [4:17] So hindi doon sa prosecution or mayroon bang epekto sa prosecution, ito yung matagal ng panawagan ng taong bayan na pumunta siya kasi this is her trial at marinig sa kanya from her kung ano yung mga kasagutan nila dito sa kaso na pinipresenta against her ng prosecution. [4:38] Yes, maybe just to add a little bit to that. [4:41] Again, regardless of who will be there, the respondent or anyone else, the strategy of the prosecution remains the same. [4:50] That we will present evidence in a proper and efficient and effective manner. [4:54] Now, if it will have any effect in the presence of the vice president at all, maybe ito yung, I don't know, not on the strategy of the prosecution and presenting any of her witnesses. [5:06] But at the very least, this will show that she's finally heeding the call of the people, asking her to show respect to the constitutional process and to the impeachment court by facing discharges in person and letting the people hear how she will answer this year's allegations. [5:31] So, sa mga katwid po, safe to say, walang magiging intimidation. Hindi kayo may intimidate kahit na may presence, kahit na dumalo po si VP. [5:43] Ako magpapasalamat ako siguro naman. Thank you ha. Nakadalo ka sa trial of the century. Malaking bagay po na nandito kayo kasi matagal na po itong inaabangan. [5:57] Saka nasa tamang forum na po tayo para masagot yung mga katanungan at saka mga allegations. So, thank you po ma'am. Salamat. [6:05] Nobody gets intimidated. Nobody gets intimidated. Ang pinag-uusapan dito yung proseso ng trial, yung pananagutan ng trial. So, nobody is being tried to be scared of kasi ang pinag-uusapan po nito paano ilatag ang proseso, paano ilatag ang kaso, paano sagutin ang kaso. [6:30] E siya naman po yung nagsasalita from the very start na ready na po sila sumagot ng kaso. So, we take that as a sign that she will take her case, her trial seriously by attending in the coming days. Sana. [6:45] Last na lang po. Diaz Pao, may comment ka na lang dun sa sinabi ni Secretary Bantog na parang nag-request po yata yung defense na magpasok ng appliances and other equipment po. [7:06] Nung bumisita po si Attorney Zelayka Lopez here last week. [7:10] Hindi naman bago yun sa amin kasi dun pa lang sa hearing sa house nun, may dala rin sila mga sariling baon nila saka supplies. [7:23] So, baka may mga specifications siguro sila na kailangan. [7:28] Saka baka, minsan kasi pag mahilig ka sa mga iba-ibang klaseng kape, medyo mas, ano ka eh, particular ka sa lasa ng kape. [7:40] Oo, may mga ganun kasi na parang they function better with good coffee. [7:46] Siyempre, kami naman ni Kong Siya, three-in-one lang kami eh. Okay na. [7:51] So, more on admin naman yung mga sinabi ni Seca Bantog. [7:58] So, baka yun lang yung mga, more on specifics lang. [8:01] If ever they decide to attend or bless us with their presence. [8:12] Good morning po, Sirs. [8:16] Na-filed na po ba ng prosecution yung request to subpoena the Vice President? [8:20] I don't think we've filed it at this time. Not yet. [8:28] Within the week po kayo, Sir? Do you have a timeline? [8:32] Well, as we've stated before, if and when she will be called as a witness by the prosecution, di ba? [8:39] And again, not preempting the action that the impeachment court may take on this matter, it's quite novel. [8:47] I'm sure magkakaroon ng question diyan in the first place. [8:51] Can she be called by the prosecution as a witness, no? [8:53] Because, well, technically this is not a criminal case. [8:57] So, she's not an accusant, she's a respondent. [9:01] So, yung absolute right against self-incrimination, no? [9:04] You cannot invoke this to even take the stand. [9:08] But again, let's see how the impeachment court will act on it. [9:11] But, yung magiging relevant naman ho kasi, no? [9:14] Yung testimony niya, not just with respect to threats, if ever, no? [9:18] It will be relevant with respect to all of the articles of her impeachment. [9:22] So, under deliberation naman ho yan, no? [9:25] Pwede naman ho could be possible for this article or for the last one. [9:31] So, let's see. [9:33] Sir, ano pong ina-expect natin this afternoon? [9:43] Well, ang ina-expect natin ay yung ipapakilala ulit ng ating prosecution panel, [9:50] yung aming mga inilistang mga witnesses. [9:54] Nang sa ganon ay mabigyan ng tibay at mapagtibay yung earlier testimony na ginawa na aming first witness, [10:03] si John Mark Calilong. [10:04] Just to be clear about this, itong proseso kasing ginagawa natin, [10:13] yung unang tatlong araw, ay nakita na ho yung ating proseso na umaandar. [10:21] Everybody heard the testimony of John Mark Calilong. [10:26] And for the prosecution, we feel that it was a competent statement made by the expert witness on the authentication. [10:38] In fact, hindi nga din ito dininay nung kabilang panic na nagpapatunay na totoo, authentic itong video ito. [10:47] Ngayon, inaasahan natin na para mas mapalakas at mapatibay pa yung mga statements that John Mark Calilong made [10:59] during the time that he was being examined by both panels, [11:05] ito ngayon ay magbibigay ng mas matibay na puwersa. [11:10] Bakit? Ang resulta ng investigation, maaaring ilabas. [11:16] Ano ba yung mga pamantayan kung bakit nagkaroon ng investigation? [11:22] Pangatlo, siyempre, sino itong magbibigay ng testimonya para mapalakas ang statements na binigay ni John Mark Calilong? [11:32] So, this is now moving forward. [11:37] Hindi na ito yung unang ebidensyang inilatag. [11:42] May bago tayong ebidensyang inilatag sa pamamagitan ng statements nitong ating mga bagong witnesses. [11:53] If I can just add something quickly. [11:56] So, just to recap, in the first week of the trial, [12:01] when we presented the NBI agent who authenticated the video, [12:06] again, as mentioned, maliwanag na ho dito, [12:09] first yung authenticity. [12:11] Although at first, it seemed that they were trying to question his credentials [12:15] and question the authenticity of the video. [12:18] But later on, they considered its authenticity by using the very same video [12:23] under cross-examination. [12:25] We would also want to point out, [12:27] maalala ho natin, mismong abogado na ho, no, ng respondent na umamin, no, [12:33] na ginawa niya ho itong statement na to. [12:35] Just to be accurate, when asked by Sen. Teresa Ontiveros, [12:40] the question, sinasabi ba ng defense na ang threats ay prompted [12:44] ng detensyon ni Zulaika Lopez? [12:46] Answer, yes, Your Honor. [12:47] In other words, wala nang question o maliwanag na sinabi talaga itong threats na to. [12:52] Ngayon, ito hung susunod na witness namin, [12:55] ilalatag naman ho niya, ano yung mga investigasyon na ginawa ng NBI [12:59] kaugnay ho dito sa mga pagbabantak na ginawa ho ng respondent? [13:05] Dadagdag ko lang doon, I think the prosecution case is being built one piece at a time. [13:10] One evidence at a time. [13:12] So ito po yung tatahi doon sa naging pahayag noong last week ni Mr. Kalilong. [13:19] Ang gusto natin ipapahihwate, hindi lang po sa korte pero sa ating taong mayayon, [13:25] buong picture, kung buong picture na yun kung saan yung nagbanta nga ang vicepresidente. [13:31] I think clear na yun yung pagbabanta. [13:34] Last week, hindi lang yun na yung nabababasa natin, [13:37] napapanood natin sa YouTube. [13:39] Ito na isang official na na-entering evidence siya sa korte. [13:42] So babigyan po ng konteksto at papaliwanag sa atin itong susunod na magiging witness [13:49] para yung taong bayan mabigyan ng kompletong larawan. [13:55] Kung ano po yung naging investigasyon, ano po yung naging risulta ng investigasyon. [13:59] So this is part of the piece by piece na ginagawa po ng prosecution panel [14:06] para yung continuity ng pagtatahihin ng kaso nila ay ma-establish po natin dito sa Article 4. [14:15] Dagdagan ko lang din ulit yung sinabi ni Congressman Adjong. [14:20] Yung unang linggo, nakita natin na ipakita, na ilatag ang ebidensya. [14:26] At ito naman ay pinatunayan na authentic na ebidensya kahit na ng kabilang panig. [14:33] Ngayong linggong ito, we will have to move forward by establishing whether the Vice President is fit to be in the office or not. [14:47] Hindi ito parang criminal case na kung saan yung mga elements of the crime ay mapapatunayan sa korte [14:54] at pagka ito'y napatunayan, ika'y makukulong. [14:56] Ito ho walang kulong. This process, this impeachment process, walang kulong. [15:00] Kundi yung pagtatanggal lamang sa opisina. Kasi ang malaking tanong, ikaw ba ay karapat dapat na manilbihan o manungkulan bilang pangalawang Pangulo [15:12] after nakita natin itong mga ebidensyang inilatag na ito? [15:18] Pwede akong magsalita? Okay lang. [15:22] Hindi, siguro to cap naman po. Siyempre marami po talagang tanong ang media parang about what do you predict? [15:34] Ano po sa palagay nyo? Ano yung mga pasabog sa susunod? [15:38] Gusto nyo ba ng spoiler? [15:41] Yes, yes, yes. [15:42] Ang spoiler lang kasi na pwede kong ibigay, magiging consistent lagi ang prosecution panel, ang prosecutors. [15:50] Sigurado yan na nakahanda at mas maingay ang ebidensya sa kahit anumang ingay sa palibot ng ating impeachment. [16:01] So consistency siguro magiging tema sa kalakas ng ebidensya ng buong impeachment trial na ito. Thank you. [16:13] Good morning, sirs. Miel Kirigunan, DCRH. [16:19] As not to preempt the statement of Attorney Lotok this afternoon, [16:25] meron bang possibility, sir, na baka mabanggit yung ginawang investigasyon ng NBI [16:30] to identify the assassin or yung kinausap ni Vice President Sarah Duterte? [16:37] Well, I'm sure you'll understand. We can't go into the specifics at this time [16:42] because it is covered by the subjudicial rule. [16:44] But what we can share is what you've stated in our pretrial brief [16:48] with regard to the purpose of the testimony. [16:52] So ito ho yung investigation, interagency investigation conducted by the NBI [16:56] in relation to the threats as well as the criminal actions filed by the NBI because of that. [17:03] Follow up lang, sir, doon sa request ng defense panel. [17:11] Siguro si Kompaw na lang mag-sagot. [17:14] Kasi yung kung yung defense panel, sir, merong request kay Atty. Bantug to bring some mga coffee [17:22] o kung ano man. [17:24] Sa prosecution ba, meron din po tayong request? [17:27] Kung may dala na siguro silang kape, makapwede rin kami makikape sa kanila. [17:34] Kasi si Joel Chua, dinadalahan niya kami ng kape. [17:37] Ay, ng Hopya kada hearing natin. [17:41] Yung Masters Hopya. [17:43] Ang sarap yun sa... [17:45] Oo, old school sa Binondo. [17:48] Nagre-request nga ako today, Shoppaw naman sana para maiba. [17:53] Chicken Shoppaw kasi Muslim si Kongziya. [17:57] Okay, siguro maganda rin na may... [18:02] Diba, ibabag masarap din yung kape. [18:04] Parang it perks you up, diba? [18:07] Diba? [18:08] Ako kanina nagkape ako. [18:10] Cold brew with oat milk. [18:14] Sarap. [18:14] Healthy. [18:16] Sarap, sarap. [18:17] Masarap siya. [18:18] Sana kung may sobra sila, bigyan nila kami. [18:22] Kanina lang yun. [18:24] Pero siyempre nakaharap kayo. [18:27] Kailangan medyo mas sosyal ng konti yung ininom ko. [18:29] Pero kung kami-kami lang niyon, [18:31] o, copy ko. [18:35] Hi Kong, Sen. [18:39] Good morning po. [18:41] According to Congresswoman Zamora, [18:43] sa isang interview rin po, [18:44] sinabi niya na kailangan na rao po mapag-usapan. [18:46] I mean, kailangan na rao po dapat ma-resolve ba [18:48] ang threshold sa Korte Suprema as soon as possible [18:51] before pa mag-lumapit yung botohan [18:54] ng mga Sen. Judges natin. [18:56] Pero nilino naman niya na hindi naman lang daw [18:58] prosecution ang pwedeng lumapit sa Supreme Court, [19:01] kundi anyone can do it. [19:03] However, do we share the same sentiments po? [19:05] Kailangan po bang matapos na, [19:07] ma-final na kung ilan talaga yung botoh? [19:09] Well, at this time, [19:14] our position on this has been consistent [19:16] from the very start. [19:18] We don't engage in vote counting. [19:21] At the end of the day, [19:23] ang priority namin dito [19:24] is to establish an airtight case. [19:28] Siguraduhin natin, [19:30] ang kaso natin, [19:31] this will be backed by solid evidence. [19:34] Para pagtapos ho ng paglilitis na to, [19:36] regardless kung ano ho yung magiging final [19:38] na interpretation, [19:41] ang two-thirds threshold, [19:42] makukuha ho natin yung numero na yan. [19:44] So yan ho ang priority ng prosecution [19:46] from the start, [19:46] and it remains to be our priority until now. [19:49] So, but of course, [19:50] we respect the statement [19:52] given by the presiding officer [19:54] that this matter could be taken up [19:58] to the Supreme Court [19:58] by any interested person. [20:00] But insofar as the prosecution is concerned, [20:03] nakatutoko kami dito sa paglilitis na to [20:06] at paglalatago ng aming ebidensya. [20:09] Dadagdag ko lang. [20:10] I think yung issue ng threshold, [20:12] it's an indication how important [20:14] this impeachment trial to the public is. [20:17] Kasi narinig natin yung opinion [20:19] sa motsaring opinion [20:20] from the legal community. [20:22] Hindi po ito nag-eminate [20:23] from the prosecution itself. [20:24] It came out [20:26] during the first discussion [20:28] nung na-insure na [20:30] na meron ng transmittal [20:32] ng impeachment complaints [20:34] sa Senado [20:35] with the current setup [20:36] or with the current membership now [20:38] of the Senate. [20:40] Kasi alam naman po natin [20:41] iba sa ating mga [20:42] kanilang mga kasamahan [20:44] ay facing [20:45] individual legal [20:46] challenges. [20:49] So ito'y indication [20:50] na talaga ang taong bayan [20:52] ay gusto nilang umunsad [20:54] itong trial na ito [20:55] by making sure that [20:57] the whatever is [20:58] would be [20:59] the threshold [21:01] it would render [21:02] the Senate [21:03] responsive [21:04] to the current [21:05] situation [21:06] that they're in right now [21:08] insofar as the membership [21:09] is concerned. [21:10] Nagpapakita lang ito [21:11] gano'ng kaimportante [21:12] itong Senado [21:13] at yung taong bayan [21:14] na gusto nilang matapos [21:15] yung proseso [21:16] na walang magiging [21:18] hadlang or legal [21:19] na problema [21:20] pagdating dun sa punto [21:22] na sila na ang korte [21:23] ay magbibigay na [21:24] na kanilang judgment. [21:27] Maraming schools [21:28] of thought [21:29] maraming opinion [21:30] na lumalabas [21:31] tungkol dito [21:31] sa threshold [21:33] na ito [21:33] and [21:34] the prosecution [21:36] is not [21:38] involved in the [21:39] political arithmetic [21:41] so to speak [21:42] ayaw natin yan [21:43] dahil [21:44] hindi pa naman [21:45] siguro [21:46] panahon [21:47] but if anyone [21:48] raises this [21:49] before the [21:50] Supreme Court [21:50] then it's a [21:52] welcome development [21:53] whatever the decision [21:54] of the court [21:54] will be [21:55] of course [21:55] the prosecution [21:56] panel will [21:57] respect that. [21:58] Again [21:58] I'd like to emphasize [21:59] that we're not [22:00] involved in [22:01] political arithmetic [22:02] or anumang [22:03] calculations [22:03] meron yan [22:04] what the [22:06] prosecution team [22:07] is focused on [22:08] is one [22:09] ilatag ang [22:10] ebidensya [22:10] ipahayag ang [22:13] ebidensya [22:14] sa relatable [22:15] na [22:16] pamamaraan [22:17] kung saan [22:17] maintindihan [22:18] ang ating mga [22:19] kababayan [22:20] pangatlo [22:21] ipakita [22:22] yung importansya [22:23] nitong [22:24] mekanismong [22:25] ito [22:25] na sinasabi [22:26] nating [22:26] accountability [22:26] mechanism [22:27] ito yung [22:29] very important [22:30] na dapat [22:31] naiintindihan [22:31] ng ating [22:32] mga kababayan [22:33] so again [22:33] we're not [22:34] involved in [22:35] the calculations [22:35] whatever number [22:36] there is [22:37] we're not [22:39] involved in [22:39] political [22:40] arithmetic [22:40] what we [22:41] intend to do [22:42] is just [22:43] ilatag [22:44] itong [22:44] ebidensya [22:46] pagtibayin [22:47] palakasin [22:48] ang [22:48] ebidensya [22:50] tungkol [22:51] dun sa [22:51] allegasyon [22:52] na nakasaad [22:54] sa articles [22:54] of impeachment [22:55] some [22:59] members [22:59] of the [22:59] prosecution [23:00] na sinasabi [23:01] po nila [23:01] I mean [23:02] for them [23:03] dapat [23:04] ibaba [23:04] yung [23:04] threshold [23:06] especially [23:06] congressman [23:07] Luistro [23:07] and congressman [23:08] Zamora [23:09] according to [23:10] congressman [23:11] Zamora [23:11] isang [23:13] with [23:13] something [23:14] movable [23:15] 16 [23:16] are [23:16] all [23:17] prosecutors [23:17] have the [23:18] same [23:18] opinion [23:19] with [23:19] the [23:20] threshold [23:20] I think they've made it clear when they give these statements that these are their own personal opinion and not necessarily reflective of the official position of the prosecution panel as a whole. [23:36] So, again, tulad ho nang sinabi ni Congressman, former Congressman Ace Barber. So, may dalawa ho kasing schools of thoughts diyan. Meron isa yung restrictive na sinasabi, it has to be just 16. Meron naman ho yung mas functional na interpretation, which is kailangan mong tignan din yan na pag sinabi mong two-thirds of the Senate, members of the Senate, titignan mo lang kung sino yung mga functioning. [24:07] Kung hindi naman nakapagparticipate in the first place and even take their oath or didn't hear the evidence, how can their vote be considered? So, lahat naman yan, valid points yan. But at the end of the day, ang prosecution right now, again, we're not focused on that. So, we have not taken any official step with respect to this matter. [24:28] Kami, nananatili ho yung focus natin andito ho sa paglilitis na ito. At tutuloy-tuloy ho natin, siguraduhin na kugulo yung proseso at maglalatag ho kami ng ebidensya dito. [24:42] Last na lang po, question from me. Sa isang interview rin po, sinabi naman ni Atty. Michael Powan, ang ibig sabihin na po ng bloodbath na sinabi ni VP Sara ay, [24:52] siya raw po yung magiging duguan sa nangyayaring impeachment trial. Pero nga, sabi niya, she will remain unbound. [25:00] Based on our evidence po, sa tingin niyo ba magiging sugatan at duguan si VP Sara? [25:04] Never po, never po na intention ng prosecution na magkaroon ng sakitan. Pero ang intention po talaga ng prosecution ay pananagutan. [25:17] Hindi po namin alam kung saan nanggagaling itong dugo na parati po nilang ginagamit sa kanilang mga statement. [25:30] Alright, next. Hi po. Good morning po. Marian from TV5. May we confirm lang po yung request ni NBI Director Melvin Matibag. [25:38] He has asked daw po the prosecution panel to move his court appearance to an earlier date, before June, July 20 sana. [25:47] Kasi may dadalohan daw po siyang summit in Thailand from July 21 to 22. And ano po ang sagot ng prosecution regarding this? [25:57] Yes, you received that yesterday, the notice sent by Director Matibag. [26:03] So, we're currently discussing how we could accommodate his request, para of course, we need to consider his schedule as well. [26:16] So, maybe we will see if in the hearing this afternoon, this is already something that we will raise to the court. [26:24] Ang may halaga ho dito, hindi naman surpresa na magbibigay ng testimonya si Director Matibag na sabi namin ho ito nung matagal na panahon. [26:35] So, kung kakailanganin ho na magkaroon ng konting adjustment dun sa order of witnesses na pag-present namin, [26:42] yan ho yung under deliberation at maaring raise ho namin ito sa impeachment court sa pagdinig ngayong hapag. [26:51] Sige. I understand, sabi rin po ni Congresswoman Zamora, I think during the weekend press, [26:56] kung ready daw po yung prosecution to present at least two witnesses a day? [27:02] Yes, but again, we will see, siyempre, depende ho yan, per witness basis, [27:07] depende ho gano'ng katagal ang abutin sa kanyang direct examination, cross-examination, [27:15] kung papayagan ho, or if necessary, magkakonduct pa kami ng redirect, sila din, pwede pang mag-recross. [27:22] And makikita din naman natin, minsan nagkakaroon din ho ng mga debate about some legal issues [27:27] before the witness takes the stand or minsan during. [27:33] So, mahirap pong pangunahan, but if there's enough time, then we can do that. [27:41] Last na lang po, can we say na we are winning na po itong article ng grief threats, [27:45] lalo na first, the defense cannot even say that the VP is innocent, [27:49] and second po, even Congridon and Congluistra said that they've already admitted the threat [27:54] of the VP against the president, only that it is justified. [27:58] So, may pag-amin na po ng pababanta. [28:00] Can we say na, we're winning already this case po? [28:02] Well, first of all, ultimately, that's a decision that the Constitution has given [28:14] to the Senate, sitting as an impeachment court to make. [28:17] So, hindi ho namin papangunahan. [28:20] But, if you'll ask us, what we can say is, we've achieved our goal so far, [28:25] which is first, di ba, yung present this video where these threats were made [28:31] and prove its authenticity, we've done that, no? [28:35] Sino yung siguraduin din natin? [28:36] Una, in the first place, is magtuloy-tuloy itong paglilitis na to, no? [28:41] We've also achieved that. [28:43] So, we're pleased, no? [28:44] With how it has unfolded so far, at tutuloy-tuloy ho natin ito, [28:49] na mag-presenta pa ng additional evidence para lalong pagtibayan itong kaso ng [28:53] aggrieved threats and all other articles of impeachment. [28:56] So, dadagdagan ko lang yung konteksto ng sinabi ni A. Attorney Jay, no? [29:02] Una, tingnan natin yung video. [29:05] Yung pagbabantahin di ho ito yung ordinaryo na pagpalagay natin, [29:10] assuming without conceding, na mayroon silang sinasabing conditional threat, no? [29:14] Pero, yung normal naman na may naririnig tayo kasi ang premise nila is nagalit, di ba? [29:20] Ngayon ang justification nila. [29:21] Hindi ho nila na refute yung ebidensya na yun. [29:25] Rather, they provided justification kung bakit daw gano'n ang naging pananalita ng vice-presidente. [29:33] Tingnan po natin yung video na yun, no? [29:35] Hindi po yung usual na pagbabanta ang naririnig natin. [29:38] Halimbawa, sa Bisaya pa, kasi Bisaya kami ni Chairman Ace, [29:43] na bantay lang ka kay buhato ni mo, kay, di ba? Nasukok ko. [29:48] Hindi, ganun e. [29:50] Yung narinig po natin sa video na yun, [29:52] sinabi niya, kinausap niya ang lalaki, may kinausap siya, [29:57] mayroon siyang sinabi na pag may mangyari sa akin, [30:00] patayin mo si Presidente, ang ginang, ang former, ang unang ginang, [30:04] ang former Speaker of the House, [30:06] wag kang titigil hanggat di mo ito magawa. [30:09] So it was not really a threat kung akong tatanungin mo. [30:13] She described a meeting wherein she requested or she ordered someone [30:19] to do her bidding to kill these individuals. [30:22] So it was not just the usual, sabihin natin, pagbabanta. [30:28] Dinescribe niya yung paraan kung paano ito gagawin. [30:31] So malaki po yung difference nun, no? [30:34] Ngayon, dadagdag ko lang po. [30:36] Alam po natin, ayaw natin marinig yung pagbabanta, [30:41] maski na lang sa ating mga anak, [30:43] hindi natin gusto yun, sa ating mga katrabaho. [30:46] Ngayon, uso ang pickleball. [30:47] Ayaw mong marinig sa mga kalaro mo sa pickleball na magbanta, di ba? [30:51] Kung ayaw niyong marinig yun, [30:53] the more na ayaw niyong dapat marinig sa mga halal na opisyal, [30:56] mag-demand kayo ng ethical standard na hindi basta-basta [31:01] dahil galit na tao na gawing justification ito na magbanta, [31:09] lalong-lalo na kung ang isang nagbabanta ay matataas na opisyal halal ng gobyerno. [31:18] Well, a threat is a threat. [31:21] Kahit anong angle mo tingnan yan, pagbabanta yan. [31:25] Ang tanong na lang dito, ito ba ay dapat ginagawa ng isang mataas na opisyal ng gobyerno? [31:33] Hindi ba dapat kapag mataas ang pwesto mo sa gobyerno, [31:37] eh hindi ba dapat mas mataas yung panuntunan? [31:40] Mas mataas yung standards of you being in that office, di ba? [31:47] So, ikaw ay role model, ikaw ay intellect, binigyan ng tiwala. [31:52] So, dahil sa pagbabanta ba, nawala yung tiwalang yun? [31:57] So, yan ang gusto nating patunayan. [31:59] Kaya tayo nandito dito sa impeachment trial. [32:01] Wala hong makukulong dito. [32:02] Ito ay proseso na kung saan tinitest yung fitness ng ating mga opisyal sa gobyerno [32:10] kung karapat dapat ba silang manatili sa kanilang pwesto. [32:14] Yan po ang malinaw. [32:15] Yan po ang malinaw na sinasabi ng ating prosesong ito [32:18] at nakasaad sa ating saligang batas. [32:21] So, again, it's not really the issue of whether may conditional ba yung threat yan. [32:33] Bakit kailangan magkaroon ng condition yung threat? [32:36] Eh hindi naman ibayaan doon sa sinasabing pagbabanta. [32:40] Kapag ka sinabing ikaw, eh pag hindi mo binayaran ng utang mo, [32:45] eh papatayin kita. [32:49] Gusto ba nating naririnig yun? [32:50] Not anyone would be able to accept the fact na merong nagbabanta sa'yo. [32:57] Kasi sigurado, kahit tayong mga ano, pagka binantaan tayo, [33:01] alam nga namang wala tayong reaksyon. [33:03] Diba? [33:04] Ngayon, ang tanong, [33:05] yung pagbibigay ng pagbabanta ng ating pangalawang Pangulo, [33:09] eh acceptable ba yan sa ating mga kababayan? [33:14] Yun lang ang gusto nating ipunto dito. [33:16] Sir, follow up lang dun sa threats kasi napag-usapan na lang dun yung threats. [33:23] Over the weekend, parang yung mga supporters ni VP Sara Duterte, [33:27] kinukumpara nila yung itong issue ng grave threats dun sa ginawang threats din daw ni Chris Aquino [33:36] sa isang abogado na nakaaway niya before. [33:38] Parang ang sinasabi nila, parang bakit yun daw, parang magkaiba yung pagtingin daw [33:43] ng mga tao dun, na parang pinagbantaan din naman daw ni Chris Aquino yung abogado, [33:50] eh bakit daw si VP Sara Duterte, eh parang pinoprosecute ng mas malala? [33:57] Any thoughts po? [33:59] Well, ako, hindi ko alam kung ano yung klaseng pagbabanta, [34:02] pero iba yung pagbabanta na papatayin. [34:05] Iba yung pagbabanta sa pagpatay. [34:09] Mas pwede kang magbanta na sabihin mo lang na okay, pakukulong kita. [34:13] Pero pag sinahin mo, ipapapatay kita. [34:17] Whatever it is, whether by sinasabing kondisyon o wala, [34:21] eh it's still pagbabanta. [34:22] At walang ibang dapat meaning yun. [34:25] Sir, parang ang nasabi po eh ni Chris Aquino before dun sa abogado, [34:30] eh do not return home because you would be dead. [34:33] Parang maybe Attorney Jay. [34:34] Sige. [34:36] Difficult to comment on that because I'm not really aware of the words given by Miss Aquino. [34:42] But pwede kong sabihin, ang mas tama ho sigurong ikumpara natin [34:47] ay yung hong pagbabantang ginawa ng isang simpleng public school teacher [34:52] nung tinakot ho during the previous administration, [34:56] yung presidente nung panahon na yun. [34:58] Maalala natin ang sinabi ho niya doon kung sino ang makakapagpapatay sa presidente, [35:02] bibigyan niya ng 50 million pesos. [35:04] Obviously, ang public school teacher wala ho siyang kakayahan [35:08] na magbayad ng 50 million pesos na ito. [35:10] Pero alam ho natin, naging swift ang action ng law enforcement dito. [35:15] Hinuli siya, kinasuhan siya. [35:16] Doon ho natin ikumpara. [35:18] Ngayon, ito ho ang nagbigay ng threat na ito. [35:21] Noon, simpleng public school teacher, [35:23] ang pinag-uusapan ho natin dito ang nagbigay nitong pagbabanta na ito [35:28] at pag-amin na meron ng kasunduan sa isang mamamatay tao [35:32] nang galing ito sa pangalawang pinakamataas, [35:36] pangalawang pinakamakapangyarihan na public official ng ating gobyerno. [35:43] So, iyan ho ang magandang comparison na tignan ho natin dyan. [35:48] Kailangan ho natin, again, I have to reiterate, [35:51] hindi lang ito pagbabantalang ng sinabi, [35:54] dinescribe niya yung paano yung naging usapan. [35:58] So, hindi lang talaga siya. [36:00] Meron talagang willingness. [36:02] And if you're talking about capacity, [36:06] that already consummated, that already makes her capable [36:09] because the agreement was already done. [36:12] So, she is already that capable of ordering this hitman [36:16] to do her bidding. [36:20] Hindi lang yung pagbabanta na basta-basta lang. [36:23] Ito ay dinescribe niya yung meeting na yun [36:27] at yung agreement na yun. [36:28] Sir, on my second question po, [36:34] without going too much into the merits [36:38] and the strategy of the prosecution, [36:42] ano po bang relevance ng testimony ni [36:44] Atty. Zulaika Lopez sa Article 4? [36:48] Meron po ba kayong balak i-pursue na line of questioning for her? [36:53] Again, just in broad strokes, [36:57] the defense, [36:59] they pointed out certain portions of the video [37:03] showing her knees like, [37:05] meaning she was there [37:06] when these utterances were made. [37:08] So, maliwanag naman, [37:11] kung pag pinatawag siya as witness, [37:13] magiging relevant ang testimony niya [37:16] dahil nandun din ho siya [37:17] dun sa same room, [37:18] same place, [37:19] kung kailan ho ito ginawa [37:20] itong mga pananakot at pagbabanta. [37:27] Sir, good afternoon po. [37:29] Morning. [37:30] Dwight Dalayan pa from Rappler. [37:32] Mga sirs, [37:32] we'd just like to ask, [37:33] how is the prosecution preparing [37:35] for the oral arguments [37:36] on the issue of the BIR box [37:38] on Wednesday? [37:39] Sinabihan na po ba kayo ng impeachment court [37:41] how it will go exactly? [37:44] Will it happen during the trial itself? [37:46] Or will it be a separate meeting? [37:50] Well, we have not yet received [37:51] any particular directives or instructions [37:54] regarding the oral arguments. [37:56] But probably it will be done at the start [37:59] before we call our witness for that day. [38:02] And as regards our preparation, [38:05] these are legal issues [38:06] that we've anticipated from the start. [38:08] because, again, [38:09] we know that their strategy [38:11] is consistent from the start [38:14] even when the proceedings [38:16] were still before [38:18] the House of Representatives [38:19] and then consistent [38:20] with their stance [38:21] when they filed the answer, [38:23] which is to prevent us [38:24] from presenting evidence [38:28] in support of the articles of impeachment. [38:30] So itong mga issues na to, [38:32] pinagahanda na natin yan, [38:33] but of course, [38:34] patuloy pa rin naman [38:35] yung pagahanda [38:37] in view of the oral arguments [38:39] to be held this Wednesday. [38:41] Tama ba, sir, [38:42] the prosecution [38:43] and also the defense [38:43] are required to submit [38:45] a memorandum for each party? [38:47] Yes. [38:47] Nagsubmit na po ba kayo? [38:48] That will be filed today. [38:50] But not yet? [38:51] At as of the moment? [38:52] Not yet. [38:53] Okay. [38:53] But will it be filed [38:54] during the impeachment court? [38:55] Not necessarily? [38:56] Not necessarily. [38:57] Okay. [38:57] Yun lang po. [38:57] Thank you. [38:58] Sir, [39:04] pwede nyo po ba kami [39:05] i-inform kung ano lang yung highlights [39:07] nung memorandum [39:08] na i-file po ninyo [39:09] within today? [39:10] For example, [39:11] at least yung mga na-mention na [39:13] when it comes to the [39:14] yung AMLC, [39:17] bank records, [39:19] and tax records. [39:22] Maybe it will be better [39:23] if we will wait [39:25] for the parties [39:26] to file their respective memorandum [39:28] and then we can talk about it afterwards. [39:31] Okay, sir. [39:31] Dito naman sa [39:32] i-re-raise po ninyo [39:34] this afternoon [39:34] regarding NBI Director Matibag. [39:36] Will you raise na [39:38] this week na po siyang mag-testify [39:40] or after next week? [39:42] Well, the request is [39:44] as much as possible [39:45] allow him to testify [39:48] before he leaves [39:49] for his trip [39:50] because [39:50] baka possible [39:52] meron din siyang [39:53] engagements after that. [39:54] So, again, [39:55] this is under deliberation. [39:57] We'll see [39:58] if there's already [39:59] a need to raise it [40:00] during the hearing [40:01] this afternoon. [40:02] Basta importante lang naman dyan. [40:04] Basta natin siguraduhin na [40:05] mabigyan siya ng pagkakataon [40:08] to take the stand [40:09] para mabigyan niya [40:10] yung relevant [40:11] and material testimony [40:12] that we're expecting from him. [40:14] Kaano po kahalaga [40:15] yung na makatestify [40:16] si NBI Director Matibag? [40:19] Well, [40:20] same as well [40:21] our other [40:22] listed witnesses [40:24] important nating sa kanya [40:25] because [40:26] he will testify [40:28] on [40:28] the investigation [40:30] conducted by [40:31] the NBI [40:32] in relation [40:33] to the threats. [40:34] So, [40:34] I'm sure [40:34] you'll understand [40:35] that that's the extent [40:37] that I can discuss [40:38] with you right now [40:38] but once he takes [40:40] the stand [40:40] we could discuss [40:41] it at length. [40:49] It seems [40:50] there are no [40:50] other questions [40:51] so [40:52] any member [40:54] of the panel [40:54] please. [40:55] For the [41:06] grave threats [41:07] we were given [41:08] 11 days [41:08] to present witnesses [41:10] but [41:11] we hear [41:13] the sentiment [41:15] of some of [41:16] the senator judges [41:17] that it would be [41:18] better to [41:20] read the proceedings [41:21] at [41:22] kami din [41:23] naman [41:24] gusto din [41:24] naman [41:24] namin [41:25] itong [41:25] matapos [41:26] sa lalong [41:26] madaling [41:27] panahon [41:27] ayaw na naman [41:28] namin [41:28] itong [41:28] patagalin [41:29] unnecessarily [41:30] but of course [41:31] without sacrificing [41:32] our ability [41:33] to properly [41:34] efficiently [41:34] and effectively [41:35] present evidence [41:36] but [41:37] bawat [41:38] pagkatapos [41:39] namin [41:39] magpresenta [41:40] ng testigo [41:41] na [41:41] ebidensya [41:42] nakakaroon [41:42] kami lagi [41:43] ng assessment [41:44] para makita [41:45] ano na [41:45] ang mga [41:45] importanteng [41:46] bagay [41:47] na natalakay [41:48] ng aming [41:48] witness [41:49] at ano pa [41:50] ang kinakailangan [41:50] so [41:51] we will make [41:52] adjustments [41:52] maaaring [41:53] yung mga [41:54] ibang witnesses [41:55] na listed [41:55] sa aming [41:56] pre-child [41:56] brief [41:57] ay hindi [41:57] na namin [41:57] patawag [41:58] kung ang [41:59] intended [41:59] testimony [42:00] nila [42:00] ay natalakay [42:01] na [42:02] ng mga [42:02] naunan [42:02] testigo [42:04] dahil [42:04] yan naman [42:04] ang goal [42:05] din [42:05] natin [42:06] kung maaaring [42:07] mas mapa-exit [42:07] mapabilis natin [42:08] itong [42:09] paglilitis [42:10] na ito [42:11] we will [42:11] try to do that [42:20] 11 trial [42:21] dates [42:22] for grave [42:22] threats [42:23] so far [42:24] we've just [42:25] presented [42:25] one [42:26] will be [42:26] presented [42:27] another [42:27] one [42:28] today [42:28] so [42:28] titignan [42:30] natin [42:30] we'll [42:30] make [42:30] the [42:31] necessary [42:31] adjustments [42:32] kung [42:32] pwedeng [42:33] hindi [42:33] na namin [42:33] ipatawag [42:34] yung mga [42:35] ibang [42:35] testigo [42:36] na nalista [42:36] namin [42:37] para mas [42:37] mapabiliso [42:38] ito [42:38] attorney [42:41] to losa [42:42] follow up [42:42] lang po [42:42] sa question [42:43] ni ate [42:43] marian [42:44] hoping [42:44] ba [42:44] kayo [42:45] na hindi [42:45] kayo [42:45] aabot [42:46] ng [42:46] Pasko [42:46] or [42:47] bagong [42:47] taon [42:47] ito [42:48] pong [42:48] impeachment [42:48] trial [42:49] kasi [42:49] sabi [42:49] po [42:50] ni [42:50] senator [42:50] ping [42:50] lakson [42:51] kapag [42:51] hindi [42:52] po [42:52] binago [42:53] or [42:53] hindi [42:54] pinabilis [42:54] yung [42:55] pong [42:55] trial [42:56] magpapasko [42:57] po [42:57] talaga [42:57] kayo [42:58] na may [42:58] hirang [42:58] paglilitis [42:59] thank you [43:00] po [43:00] we'll [43:01] we'll [43:01] do [43:01] our [43:01] part [43:02] making [43:03] sure [43:03] that [43:03] this [43:05] could [43:05] be [43:06] expedited [43:07] again [43:08] to the [43:09] extent [43:09] reasonably [43:10] possible [43:10] siyempre [43:11] hindi din [43:12] naman [43:12] huusapan [43:13] ditong [43:13] pabilisan [43:14] importante [43:15] din [43:15] dito [43:15] mailatag [43:16] ng [43:16] mabuting [43:17] ebidensya [43:18] dahil [43:18] napakaseryoso [43:19] nung pinag-uusapan [43:20] natin [43:20] ng mga [43:21] charges [43:21] dito [43:21] so [43:22] but [43:22] at the [43:23] same [43:23] time [43:23] recognizant [43:25] of that [43:25] fact [43:26] na gusto [43:26] natin [43:27] pare-pareho [43:28] matapos [43:29] mas madaling [43:30] panahon [43:32] susubukan [43:33] natin [43:33] pipilitin [43:34] natin [43:34] all right [43:37] any parting [43:38] words [43:38] from [43:39] members [43:39] of our [43:39] panel [43:40] all right [43:57] on that [43:57] note [43:58] we thank [43:59] our [43:59] members [43:59] of the [44:00] panel [44:00] and [44:01] our [44:01] friends [44:01] from [44:01] the [44:02] house [44:02] media [44:02] we'll [44:03] see you [44:04] again [44:04] this [44:04] afternoon [44:05] thank [44:05] you [44:05] very [44:05] much [44:06] thank [44:07] you [44:07] thank [44:07] you [44:09] of [44:09] the [44:10] big [44:14] conditional [44:15] hindi [44:17] ba [44:17] yung [44:18] yung [44:18] condition [44:18] is [44:20] the [44:20] fact [44:21] that