I Was Inside the Courtroom: HORRIFYING 911 Call & Crime Scene Evidence — Lindsay Clancy Trial Day 2

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Hello, hidden gems. Thanks for joining us tonight. Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. I'm back with another live day two of the Lindsay Clancy trial. And yes, that's a lighthearted way I wanted to start live show because honestly, if we don't smile right now, we probably won't be able to smile for the rest of the show because there's not going to be much to smile about honestly once we jump in to what happened in court. So it was a really heavy day in court. So thank you to Plymouth County for their formalities and the way they begin court each day with a hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. But there is something else about this formality. Hear ye, hear ye, hear ye. I think it's important to point out today's live show because Plymouth is a place steeped in historical American tradition and Puritan values. And I know, I know that I keep mentioning this, but as an outsider, a West Coast girl who has sat through numerous criminal trials, there is a cultural difference here in the commonwealth, a different field than other criminal trials that I have sat through. And stoicism, stoicism, stoicism, being stoic, I guess you could say, stoicism, is that the way to pronounce it? That's, you know, where emotions are more controlled. Some might call it a suppression of emotion. I'd say it's more of an emotional calm. That's how I would describe it. Less impulsivity, less reaction, restraint, restrained emotion. And I see this stoicism with the bailiffs, with Patrick, with Lindsay, with her parents, with the media, with the judge and jurors. And I mention it today because Patrick Clancy walked back to that courtroom and onto the witness stand this morning with that same sort of stability and restraint. He's not void of emotion. You can see the distress clearly on his face. You can hear it in the courtroom. He maintains control, or he attempts to, because he actually ultimately did not maintain control at the end of his testimony. But he came prepared to not be emotionally reactive. You can see that. He came prepared to answer the prosecution's questions. He does not look at Lindsay as he walks up to the witness stand. Many of you have asked that. He does not look at her. But he walks straight ahead like he's on a mission. And the way Patrick is attempting to handle himself in court is similar, I want to say also, to how we heard him today in the 911 call. The 911 call was played for those of us in court. And on the 911 call, in the beginning, at least, Patrick's calmly trying to help his wife, who had just jumped from the second floor window. And while Patrick, communicating with the 911 operator, Patrick's steady. He's stable. You see this sort of steadiness Patrick has to him. And then we hear a very, very different Patrick later on in that same 911 call, screaming, I mean, once he discovers his babies in the basement. It's a, it's a primal scream. If I have ever heard one, nothing I have ever heard before. I'll never forget it. The contrast is stark. And once the gallery and judge and attorneys and jury heard those screams on that 911 call from Patrick Clancy, the formalities and this sort of stoic attitude of the Plymouth County courtroom suddenly fell apart. Suddenly the formal courtroom became an emotionally overwhelmed courtroom, just like that, where the judge, very aware of his court, the judge is very aware of his courtroom. He's very aware of the trauma and the emotion. And the judge was quick. You suggest a break. So while today may have started out with commonwealth formalities, the emotion and heartache of the day seeped into that courtroom. Unfortunately, the seat of that courtroom overflowing and absolutely overwhelming. Even for Lindsey. Lindsey was clenching her attorney's hand, Kevin Reddington's hand before finally bursting into uncontrollable sobs and burying her face into her hands. So we're going to go through this day step-by-step and I will share everything that I saw and heard because there was a lot going on in that courtroom that you couldn't see in your lives. And I will let you know everything, including everything there is to share about that 911 call that I will never forget. [00:05:34] Speaker 2: One second. [00:05:43] Speaker 1: Testing, testing, testing. Thank you to Grayson, my producer, who's listening. It says my, my, is everything sounding okay now? Admittedly, it's not the best Wi-Fi where we are. But we're doing our best. Yeah. We certainly want to make sure that we're okay. How is it on everybody else? Sounds good to all of you. Someone says there's something definitely wrong with her mic. Period of garbled talk. [00:06:33] Speaker 2: Let's try closer. We definitely [00:06:43] Speaker 1: want to make sure that the mic is working. Okay. Sounds better. Sounds better. Thank you, Grayson. Good. So you'll keep listening on your, uh, Grayson's listening over here on her earphones. Uh, you're great. And so you'll let us know. So we'll, we're in this together, guys. Welcome to, welcome to lives. Welcome to real life. Right. So, okay. Anything I need to repeat? Are we good? Okay. All right. So we'll go back, um, back to that 911 call that I will never forget. I, I, we have a lot to say about that. So before the let's, let's start with this morning though, let's, let's just go through it in order. So you can understand everything that was happening in that courtroom before the jury was even brought back in Patrick Clancy, Lindsay's ex-husband and the father of their three children was her husband at this time of, of this horrific tragedy. So he was back on the stand ready for day two of testifying. And then right away, ADA, Jen Sprague, she circled back to something that she had asked Patrick earlier in the week and the, and earlier in the week, I mean Monday, because there was no court yesterday. And she asked whether Patrick had looked up a website about methods of self-harm on August 22nd. And Patrick told her no. So now she asked if he looked at it on the 23rd and Patrick said he did not believe so. Next, the prosecution moved onto the moments before Patrick left for CVS on that fateful night. Patrick had previously said that Dawson was on the couch eating chicken nuggets and green beans. This is actually how he left Monday. Now Patrick left his testimony just sort of lingering [00:08:49] Speaker 2: that he had rocked, that he had kissed Cora. [00:08:59] Speaker 1: I'm so glad he had those goodbyes, but you know, he never knew he wasn't going to see them. It just shows what a sweet daddy is. So he had kissed Cora, we knew on Monday, had rocked Callan and he saw Dawson, who had just dressed himself that day eating chicken nuggets on the couch, like a little three-year-old in dinosaur and a great t-shirt would be doing. So that's where we had left Monday. And so he's sort of repeating this. Yes, he saw Dawson on the couch eating chicken nuggets and green beans. So Sprague asks Patrick now to be more specific. And if you're facing the couch, she asks Patrick, where exactly is Dawson sitting? Patrick explained on the right side. Clearly Patrick remembers this like it was yesterday. He clearly runs through this day. You know, it is seared in his memory. Dawson was on the right side of the couch. So Jen Sprague shows Patrick a photo of the living room from that night, and he confirms that is what it looked like with the bowls on the couch. Then she asks Patrick what Lindsay said to him as he was getting ready to leave. And Patrick said nothing specific, just goodbye. And as for CVS, [00:10:21] Speaker 2: Lindsay asked him to pick up stool softener for Cora Neuralax, Children's Neuralax. He told her, Lindsay, I mean Lindsay, Patrick told Lindsay the text and the exact kind in the I-15 she sent [00:10:36] Speaker 1: Pedilax. So his plan was to go to CVS and then the restaurant 3V for takeout. He explained that CVS was only about three minutes from their house, break short a map, and he confirmed the route. So once there, he went straight to the children's aisle. But the shelves were pretty bare. Remember, this is still during COVID. And he did not see the Pedilax. So at 5:33 p.m. he calls Lindsay and asks if a generic brand is okay. Lindsay does not answer at first, but she calls him right back. And they speak for a few seconds. Patrick said she sounded calm, maybe a little busy, like she was in the [00:11:20] Speaker 2: middle of bath time or just busy. 14 seconds. That is not a long call. Like, think about that. Four, five, seven. [00:11:38] Speaker 1: That's how long the call was. Very short call. So he just assumed, busy mother, bath time for the children. He understood her fine, clearly, and she understood him. So Sprague had Patrick clarify that Lindsay remembered and was aware about why he was at CVS and what he was looking for. He also played surveillance of Patrick walking into CVS, [00:12:07] Speaker 2: sort of to confirm that, yes, that's what he did. That's where he was. And, you know, he was in that pediatrics aisle. Do listen. Things are a little slower, so. I'm going to ask you to look at the video here. [00:12:31] Speaker 3: Is that you entering the store? Yeah. Here we go. You see him walking in. And they just sort of show. And that section you head to on the right, is that the pediatric medication section? [00:12:44] Speaker 1: Footage. Yeah. To confirm that this is exactly what Patrick was taking care of his children. So, then Patrick ends up buying the generic school softener and a pack of Skittles. After CVS, he heads to 3B. He took one exit down route three south and then off again, which took about 10 minutes. So, Sprague then shows another map, another video of Patrick walking into this restaurant at 5:54 p.m. She pointed out that the order, but used Patrick's name and phone number. I think this is to highlight that she, Lindsay, was coherent enough to communicate details accurately, right? The prosecution is really fighting back on this idea that Lindsay was experiencing post pardons and postings. So, again, they're sort of, look, she was coherent. She knew, um, you know, this is that, uh, sort of surveillance footage. Is that what we're about to show? Here you are, here he is walking to the 3B. [00:14:00] Speaker 3: That 5:54 p.m., is that you coming behind that other couple there? [00:14:05] Speaker 1: I was on mute. [00:14:14] Speaker 3: And what are you doing at that point when you're looking at the bags? [00:14:17] Speaker 4: I think I was looking for the bag with my name on it. Do you recall what you're doing on your phone at that time? [00:14:31] Speaker 3: Um, I don't. It could be work-related. It could be anything. And the order that was listed under your name and phone number, correct? [00:14:59] Speaker 4: Uh, I think Lindsay ordered it. [00:15:01] Speaker 3: Right. But do you recall whose name it was under when you picked it up? [00:15:05] Speaker 4: I don't recall specifically, but it could have been mine. [00:15:09] Speaker 3: I'll show you a receipt here from the 3B restaurant, um, for Mediterranean Power Bowl and scallop and pork belly risotto. You could just look at the name and the number on the receipt. [00:15:21] Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my name and my number. [00:15:22] Speaker 3: So that's your phone number? Yeah. [00:15:24] Speaker 1: So after showing Patrick the 3B receipt, Patrick leaned over and whispered something to the judge, which was interesting. You don't notice. Clearly Patrick needed to whisper something to the judge and immediately there was a sidebar. I don't know what Patrick said, but after the sidebar testimony, Patrick testified that once he picked up the food, he drove home the same way it took about 10 to 12 minutes. And when he pulled [00:15:56] Speaker 2: into the driveway, both cars were there. [00:16:02] Speaker 1: His white Chevy Silverado, a pickup truck and Lindsey's black Kia SUV. Craig then walks Patrick through photos of the exterior of the house from that night. These are exhibits 32 through 38 photos of the exterior of the home, both front and back. And the prosecution shows Patrick these photos. They asked him which windows were what? The far right top window on the backside of the home was their bedroom window that Lindsey had jumped out of. The far left was Dawson's room. Bottom right was the living room. Bottom middle was the downstairs bathroom. And bottom left was the kitchen. And as they did this, I noticed that Kevin Reddington got up. He has a very interesting demeanor and is very attuned to the emotions in the courtroom. It's very interesting watching Kevin Reddington. And I'll say this, I am very impressed with that. So at this moment, I noticed that Reddington walks up to the counter where the evidence bins are, interestingly, and he grabs the evidence bags with pill bottles in them that Patrick had taken to the VA's office in February of 2020. It's an interesting moment. And Patrick said that when he got home, he went through the sidewalk. He started taking off his boots, he says. He set the CVS and the CVV bags on the kitchen, I remember. He ordered the risotto, picked it up, pork belly risotto, and Lindsey and the Mediterranean Power Bowl, two meters that they would never eat. And immediately, Patrick notices right away. He asks if that was unusual. And Patrick said yes. Very unusual. Three kids. Very unusual. He calls out to everyone. No answer. Nothing. He calls down to the basement. Still nothing. He tried calling Lindsey on her phone, actually, at 6:09 PM, but she didn't pick up. He remembered the basement door being shut, actually. He opened it. He yelled out, saw the light was on, but still got no response. So with no answers downstairs, Patrick works his way upstairs. First, the bathroom. The bathroom, because he's thinking, again, maybe it's bath time, right? When he had that 14-second call with Lindsey, he thought maybe it's bath time. [00:18:41] Speaker 2: That's what they do in the Clancy household in the evening. Maybe that was it. Bathroom's empty. [00:18:51] Speaker 1: So he checks the kids' room. Completely empty. Strange, right? Still not suspecting the worst. Then he checks his bedroom. His and Lindsey's bedroom. And the door is locked. And that is when he knew something was wrong. He knew it right then. The previous owners of the home that they were living in had actually taped these little keys to the back of the doors. So he grabs the one from Cora's room. Cora's room's empty. He still doesn't know where Cora is, but he knows that there's a key on the back of Cora's room. He takes that key and he goes and he unlocks the bedroom door. He walks in. And when Patrick opens that door, he said he only stepped in one or two steps to his bedroom before everything hits him at once. Because there is blood everywhere. The window is wide open. The bed has been pulled away from the wall at an angle that it was never, has never been in before. And he said that it looked like the blood had been sprayed. He used that descriptive sort of adjective multiple times, sprayed. The blood had been sprayed. Everywhere. Almost like someone had used a hose, he said. On the wall. Everywhere. He said there was one huge pile of blood in the middle of the room. And it was on the doorknob. It was on the surfaces all around him. Again, he described it as blood sprayed with a hose all over the room. And it's interesting because in opening statements opening statements, I want to remind you that the prosecution said that Lindsay's wounds were superficial. And here Patrick is described as a horror scene. A hose that has sprayed blood all over the master bedroom, the primary bedroom in the house. So he does not walk in the window. I originally thought he had. That's what I had heard. But he doesn't. He doesn't walk over the window. He's just simply confused. He actually doesn't go farther because of all the blood. He just turns around and he runs. And he went the back door straight into the yard below the window. And that is where he finds Lindsay, his wife lying face up on the ground. Her head is closer to the house. Her feet are pointed away from the house. The window screen is up. He doesn't notice anything cut or broken around it. [00:21:46] Speaker 3: Exhibit 48. So the window is open, correct? Yes. And the screen for the window is up, correct? Yeah. At any point in time that night or afterwards, did you notice that the screen was cut or broken in any way? [00:22:03] Speaker 4: I didn't notice that, no. [00:22:17] Speaker 3: And when you saw Lindsay on the ground there under the window, which direction was her body facing? [00:22:26] Speaker 4: Her head was closer to the house. Her feet were away from the house. [00:22:29] Speaker 3: Okay. And did you go to her? Yeah. And did you observe any injuries? Yes. And what did you see? [00:22:38] Speaker 4: She had deep cuts on her wrists. And she had a red line across her neck. I wasn't sure what it was at first. [00:22:51] Speaker 3: But she cut her neck. And do you recall that these wounds weren't actively bleeding at the time? [00:23:00] Speaker 4: I later learned that I said that on the 911 call. [00:23:03] Speaker 3: And when you observed these wounds, is it correct that the 911 operator asked you or instructed you to [00:23:12] Speaker 4: apply pressure if needed? I don't recall the whole call, but I believe that's probably true. Okay. And you didn't, [00:23:19] Speaker 3: at the time, feel the need to apply pressure to any of those wounds, correct? [00:23:24] Speaker 4: Correct. [00:23:26] Speaker 3: Did you say anything to Lindsay when you found her in that state? [00:23:29] Speaker 4: Yeah. I said, what happened? [00:23:31] Speaker 3: And what was her response? [00:23:34] Speaker 4: She said, I tried to kill myself. [00:23:38] Speaker 3: Did you ask her anything else? [00:23:41] Speaker 4: I said, where are the kids? [00:23:43] Speaker 3: And what was her response? [00:23:45] Speaker 4: She said, they're in the basement. [00:23:46] Speaker 3: And at that time, she didn't tell you that they needed help or they were in danger or any, or they were injured, correct? [00:23:53] Speaker 4: Correct. [00:23:54] Speaker 3: And so you mentioned talking to someone on 911. At what point did you call 911? [00:24:06] Speaker 4: I don't know the exact time, but it took a few minutes because my phone was switching between Wi-Fi and 911. So I almost just started calling out for the neighbors, but eventually it went through. [00:24:16] Speaker 3: Okay. So you had some difficulty connecting, but eventually you connected to the 911 operator? [00:24:22] Speaker 2: Yeah. [00:24:22] Speaker 3: Okay. And did you stay on the phone with them while they were sending people to respond? [00:24:28] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:24:49] Speaker 3: While you're on the phone with 911, are they asking you questions and you're responding with information about her condition? [00:24:58] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:25:00] Speaker 3: And if you could just look at the screen here, is this the model of the first floor of your home? [00:25:06] Speaker 4: Yes. [00:25:07] Speaker 3: Okay. And so we have here the sliding glass doors. Where would the basement door be in this model? [00:25:18] Speaker 4: Directly below the stairs. [00:25:28] Speaker 3: So now that it's flipped around, is this the door to the basement right here? [00:25:40] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:25:40] Speaker 3: And for the record, that's the door across from the downstairs bathroom? [00:25:46] Speaker 1: Anything I need to explain again? [00:25:55] Speaker 3: How long approximately? And I know you weren't looking at your watch or anything like that, but can you estimate for us how long it took for first responders to arrive? [00:26:07] Speaker 4: Four or five minutes. [00:26:08] Speaker 3: Okay. And during that time, are you continuing to try to talk to Lindsay? Yeah. Is she responding? [00:26:16] Speaker 4: She's in and out of consciousness. [00:26:19] Speaker 3: Okay. Was she breathing on her own? [00:26:22] Speaker 4: I believe so. [00:26:23] Speaker 3: Okay. And you're communicating information to the 911 operators and are they giving you advice on how to deal with the situation as it progresses? Yeah. Okay. Once emergency personnel arrive, what do you do? [00:26:42] Speaker 4: I immediately got up and ran to the basement. [00:26:45] Speaker 3: Okay. And do you still have the phone on you? You're still on the 911 call? [00:26:50] Speaker 4: Yeah. I didn't realize it at the time, but I did. [00:26:52] Speaker 3: Okay. And have you look at this model here on the screen. Is this a fair and accurate depiction of the setup of your basement? [00:27:04] Speaker 2: Yeah. [00:27:05] Speaker 3: Okay. If you can just describe the rooms for us, what the purpose of each room was? [00:27:12] Speaker 4: So the room in the back left is my office. The room with the black rubber mat is the gym. And then there's the living room to the right of that. And then the back right is just an area of the living room. And then there's a bathroom next to that. [00:27:30] Speaker 3: So when you come down those stairs that night, which direction did you go? [00:27:39] Speaker 4: I immediately went left. [00:27:41] Speaker 3: And when you went left, what did you see? [00:27:43] Speaker 4: I saw Cora. [00:27:45] Speaker 3: And how did she look? [00:27:48] Speaker 4: She had a band around her neck. [00:27:51] Speaker 3: And was that an exercise band? [00:27:52] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:27:54] Speaker 3: And do you recall whether she was, what position she was in, whether face up or face down? [00:28:02] Speaker 4: She's face down. [00:28:04] Speaker 3: And when you saw her in that condition, what did you do? [00:28:09] Speaker 4: I immediately ran over and tried to take the band off. [00:28:12] Speaker 3: Were you able to get the band off? [00:28:14] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:28:14] Speaker 3: And do you recall how you got the band off? [00:28:17] Speaker 4: I think I untied it. [00:28:19] Speaker 3: And when you say untied it, was it in a knot that you had to, you know, put everything down and unknot it? Or how was it tied? [00:28:26] Speaker 4: I'm not sure I fully remember. [00:28:30] Speaker 3: Do you recall describing it previously as when you initially tie your shoes but then don't do the bow? [00:28:37] Speaker 4: Yeah, that sounds right. [00:28:41] Speaker 3: And was she responsive? [00:28:44] Speaker 4: No. [00:28:45] Speaker 3: And what did you see or do next? [00:28:49] Speaker 4: I saw Callan. [00:28:50] Speaker 3: And where was he? [00:28:51] Speaker 4: He was next to her. [00:28:53] Speaker 3: And how did he appear? [00:28:56] Speaker 4: He had a band around his neck. [00:28:58] Speaker 3: Sorry? [00:28:59] Speaker 4: He had a band around his neck. [00:29:00] Speaker 3: And did you remove that as well? [00:29:02] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:29:03] Speaker 3: And do you recall what position he was in? [00:29:06] Speaker 4: Same as Cora. [00:29:08] Speaker 3: And looking at the model here, you could just tell us where was Cora? [00:29:16] Speaker 4: The left of the couch. [00:29:18] Speaker 3: So would that be this area here that I'm pointing to in between the piero and the couch? [00:29:23] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:29:24] Speaker 3: And where was it happening? [00:29:25] Speaker 4: To her left. [00:29:26] Speaker ?: To her left. [00:29:27] Speaker 3: So would that be more over here towards the chair and the piero? [00:29:32] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:29:37] Speaker 3: After you removed the band from Callan's neck, what did you do next? [00:29:43] Speaker 4: I tried to find Dawson. [00:29:45] Speaker 3: And where did you go? [00:29:48] Speaker 4: I looked in the bathroom and on the other side of the couch. And then I went to the other side of the basement and he was in my office. [00:29:57] Speaker 3: And when you saw Dawson, what condition was he in? [00:30:02] Speaker 4: I knew he was gone. [00:30:04] Speaker 3: And did he also have a band around his neck? [00:30:08] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:30:08] Speaker 3: And did you remove that band? [00:30:10] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:30:11] Speaker 3: And looking at the office here, where was he located within the office? [00:30:21] Speaker 4: Just to the left of the door when you went in. [00:30:24] Speaker 3: Just in this area here right inside the door? [00:30:26] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:30:37] Speaker 3: Can I approach briefly? Now, after finding Dawson and taking off the band, what happened next? [00:30:59] Speaker 4: I think I was back and forth. I think I went to try to help Cora. [00:31:03] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:31:05] Speaker 3: Did you try to give her CPR? [00:31:06] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:31:08] Speaker 3: At some point in time, do the first responders make their way down to the basement? [00:31:11] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:31:13] Speaker 3: And do they take over care of the children? [00:31:15] Speaker 4: Yeah. [00:31:16] Speaker 3: Where do you go? [00:31:17] Speaker 4: They sent me upstairs. [00:31:20] Speaker 1: Before we continue, just wanted to check. It was really sad to me and check on sound and see if things improved. We reset the wireless and I jumped out and back in. We closed some tabs. How is everything sounding? How does it sound on your end? I want to do that before we continue because this was a really important day and I want to make sure it's working. Sounds better? Okay. We'll continue and you'll be listening on your earphones. Thank you again to Grayson. All right. So that moment too, when he says, I knew Dawson was gone, right? He goes back to work on Cora, give her CPR, but he could tell, he could tell Dawson was gone. So all three children, Cora, Dawson, and Callan, they were actually taken out of the home and brought to Beth Israel Deaconess hospital in Plymouth. Patrick went there too, and he was able to see them. Callan was later transferred to a children's hospital. So Sprague asked Patrick directly. Had anyone ever told him to not leave the children alone with Lindsay? No. Had Lindsay ever told Patrick that she wanted to harm the children? No. Had she ever said she was going to kill them? No. About a week after this tragedy. Because again, if you remember, Lindsay couldn't even see family after the tragedy. It was, it was like an armed hospital room, right? So about a week after the tragedy, Lindsay calls Patrick from Brigham and Women's Hospital. Patrick said she did not talk about the kids. She only talked about what she went through. She told Patrick that she had heard a man's voice telling her that if she didn't do it now, she would lose her chance or something along those lines. Sprague asks if Lindsay said she had a moment of psychosis. Patrick doesn't recall and, and she didn't mention the children directly. Patrick explains that she had never mentioned psychosis before. Patrick said he didn't even know what psychosis even was until after this had happened. She had never told him that she was hearing a man's voice before either. [00:33:44] Speaker 3: Did you receive, um, a few days after this, this happened, did you receive a phone call, um, from the defendant while she was at Brigham and Women's Hospital? [00:33:57] Speaker 4: I think it was, um, like a week or so after. Yeah. [00:34:02] Speaker 3: And, um, what did the defendant say at that time about what had happened with the children? [00:34:11] Speaker 4: Uh, she didn't talk about our kids. She talked about what she went through. [00:34:16] Speaker 3: And what did she say about what she went through? [00:34:19] Speaker 4: She said she heard a man's voice telling her that if she didn't do it now, she would lose her chance or something like that. [00:34:29] Speaker 3: And did she also tell you that she had had a moment of psychosis? [00:34:35] Speaker 4: I don't recall. [00:34:44] Speaker 3: Did she mention the children at all during that call? [00:34:49] Speaker 4: I don't think so. I mean, not directly. [00:34:54] Speaker 3: Had she ever mentioned psychosis to you before? [00:34:59] Speaker 4: No, I didn't know what psychosis was until after this happened. [00:35:04] Speaker 3: Did she ever tell you she was hearing a man's voice before? No. [00:35:12] Speaker 1: So as I mentioned at the beginning of this, of this show, this live show, this episode that Patrick, and I think you can see it there. He clearly has a restrained emotions, right? Some controlled emotions. He's attempting to remain stable. Well, it was after this moment. His testimony concludes after this. And there's a sidebar that happens, white noise, and they go over. And that is the moment that Patrick completely breaks down, like he couldn't handle it anymore. So the Patrick you saw there in that clip, just seconds later, his face is in his hands and he is not okay. But there's a sidebar going on with white noise. Nobody can really hear him. It's not really part of the jury. The jury can see him. And, and a bailiff walks over and is like, do you need anything? He, he says, no, you can tell he's trying so desperately to regain his composure. Like, like you're seeing there, but it's not working. So then after the sidebar, people are noticing the bailiff notices, the judge notices again, the judge is very aware of everything happening in this courtroom. The judge quickly then says to Patrick, um, you're excused subject to recall. And he gets up and again, he, he walks. I have, I think actually the best view in the courtroom of him walking out because I see him walking and then turning right in front. And he walks out very fast this time and he is not okay. And you can tell he is trying like this whole controlled emotion thing that he's doing. It's breaking, it's not working. And you can hear him breathing very loud and he is breathing deeply and quickly. Almost. I don't know what happened out there, so I can't see, but it reminded me of someone that was about to have a panic attack, just deep breaths. Cause he was very close to us. So he, he I'm, I'm right in front of this hallway where he has to turn. So I'm right in front of him and he is not looking at anything. He does not look at Lindsey as he gets off the stand. He doesn't look at anyone. He just looks straight ahead and he is breathing so fast and so hard and you can hear it and see it and he rushes out of that room. And it was very clear that once he was out of the courtroom, he was not going to be okay. And he was going to break down. Um, I mean, I don't know what happened, but that's what I felt. So I hope he's okay. Um, Sprague then moved into some of the more physical evidence. She showed the jury, the clothing each child had been wearing that night. Cora's pajama pants and shirt. And by that, I mean, she took each one out of a bag individually. She started with Cora Cora's wearing pajama pants, a shirt, and then she brings out this pink robe and everyone sort of gasped when the robe came out. And I think it was because you don't always see a five-year-old child in a, in a robe that looks like a little adult, right? And, and it's something maybe you would see Prince William in, in a, in a photo op or something. I mean, you can just picture Cora in a pink robe, the innocence, the sweetness. And there was just a gasp when they pulled out her pink robe that she was wearing. And then there were Dawson's dinosaur underwear and his gray long sleeve shirt. Remember that was the first day that Dawson had ever dressed himself, a big milestone. And then Callan's onesie pajamas. And then the exercise bands, or in other words, the murder weapons. So we see a yellow exercise band, the yellows for Dawson, a black exercise band for Cora and blue for Callan. And then before the 911 call could be played, the judge actually, again, realizing what's about to, I think, happen to his courtroom, his courtroom full of formalities and tradition. He addresses the jury and he reminds them that some of the evidence in the trial is going to hit very hard. It's going to stir up emotion. It's going to stir up sympathy, empathy, anger, sadness. But the judge tells them the jury has a job, a very important job. And their job is to separate that emotional reaction from the actual weight of the evidence. The jury cannot let the sympathy, or the pity or the passion guide their verdict. Their verdict and decision on the verdict has to be based solely on the evidence and the law. And he also reminded everyone in the courtroom that the 911 call was under a court order. It was not to be recorded. It was not to be broadcast. It was not to be reproduced. We can talk about it right now, which we're about to do. We can report on it. There were questions when I was on X earlier today. And yes, we can talk about it. I can share everything we heard, everything we saw. And then after he finished that, because it was like really, it was like foreshadowing. The judge knew what was about to happen to his courtroom. He then played the 911 call. We wrote out the transcript as best we could. And I watched the courtroom the best we could. We divided and did this. And again, extremely emotional, more emotional than I expected. And I knew it was going to be emotional. So I'm going to read to you now for the 911 call. And I also want to let you know, one thing that surprised me, Patrick was with Lindsay a lot longer than I had expected him to. We have heard before that he asks, where are the kids in the basement? This was a man that found his wife who had tried to hurt herself, kill herself, and would not leave her side. And you can tell, in my opinion, I want to point out that this was not somebody that was worried about the children's lives at this moment. He was worried about his wife and only his wife. Even though Callan is only eight months old, even though Cora, who knows if a five-year-old could even watch Callan. He was not worried about his kids in the beginning. And there were many minutes going by. I was, I was not expecting that. He stayed committed to his wife and with his wife. So this, this is the transcript. Patrick, my wife tried to commit suicide. 911 operator, explain how she tried to commit suicide. Patrick, she jumped out of the window or something. I don't know. And there are multiple voices. It's kind of garbled. Where is she now? Patrick says, stay awake. You can tell he's talking to Lindsay and the 911 operator, trying to stay stable and calm for everyone. Operator, how old is she? Patrick says, 31, 32, 33. That was an interesting moment. Most people know the age of their spouse. You can tell at this moment, there's a lot going on in his brain. You know, 31, 32, 33. Operator, is she awake? Patrick says, yes. Operator asks, is she breathing? Is Lindsay breathing? Patrick? Yeah. Lindsay can be heard saying, I'm scared. At that moment. That was, that was something that some people missed. It was quiet. She said, I'm scared. You can hear her say that. Patrick then says, Lindsay, what did you do to your neck? What did you do? At this point, we now could hear Lindsay talking, but it wasn't clear what she was saying. The operator asks, when? Patrick says, in the last half hour. He, he'd been gone the last half hour. So the 911 operator asks, how far did she fall? Patrick says, 20 feet. The operator asks if there were, if there was any serious bleeding. And then once again, we hear multiple voices, mumbled voices, and you can tell that Patrick is trying to talk to his wife, take care of his wife, talk to her, while talking to the 911 operator, multitasking in, in this traumatic moment. The operator asks, is she responding normally? Patrick responds like a little bit. You can tell he's, he's confused a little bit. Patrick then begins talking directly to Lindsay, wake up, show me your eyes. Look at me, lens. Look at me, look at me. And you can just hear the care, the concern, the love, the panic in his voice, but he's, he's staying calm for her. He's staying connected for her. The 911 operator asks, what part of the body was injured? Neck. He explains. Patrick confirms that she's breathing and says, Lindsay, look at me, look at me, clearly trying to keep her conscious, right? Making sure that she stays with him. The operator asks, are there any weapons? And Patrick says, he doesn't, he doesn't see any. And then Patrick then says, where are the kids lens? But there are multiple voices speaking. So it's hard to hear Lindsay's response. Although Patrick is, has testified that she said that they were in the basement. And, and then the operator explains to Patrick, do not move her. Do not move Lindsay, Patrick, open your eyes. Can someone, okay, Lindsay, look at me, open your eyes. And then the 911 operator says, I'm going to tell you how to stop the bleeding. So think about this. He hears the children in the basement and then he continues to stay with his wife. Cause he's probably thinking they're good. They're safe. They're going to be okay. Operator explains to Patrick. I'm going to tell you how to stop the bleeding. Patrick, it's not really bleeding, just open wounds. So in other words, that blood sprayed all over the bedroom was at this moment sort of drying up. These are just open wounds. They're not actively bleeding. Someone then says, she's in the backyard. You can hear sirens in the background too, getting closer. You know that the, the first responders are coming and you're kind of hearing it and you're like, hurry, hurry. Cause you know what's happening and you're feeling it. And the operator asks, is there something on her neck? And if the, the cut on the neck was from the fall, Patrick says, no, I think it's from a knife or something operator. Can you put pressure on the neck? Patrick says, no, there's multiple voices again. Patrick says, Lindsay, wake up. Look at me, look at me, look at me, say my name, say my name, say my name. And we could just hear Lindsay groaning at this point. Patrick says she's in and out of consciousness. So you know that this is dire. He is not leaving her side. The children can wait. He's with his wife. He's with Lindsay. The operator says, do not move her. Tell her to be still. We hear the background whimpering and the sirens in the distance, but they're getting louder. They're getting closer operator. I'm going to stay with you on the line. Is there a fence? I think it was Patrick within here yelling right here, right here. It was hard to know. Do you have any other cuts, Lindsay? She asked Lindsay says, I don't know. I don't know. And at this point, it is clear EMTs are there because Patrick says, I need you to stay with her. I got to go check on my kids. So once the EMTs are with Lindsay, he did not leave Lindsay and he stayed calm and stable and stoic in this moment for Lindsay. And then the moment the EMTs are there and he knows that she is in good hands. That is when Patrick says, I need you to stay with her. I have got to go check on my kids. The operator says, hello. And there's some time that goes, you know, it's coming. And then all we can hear are Patrick's footsteps as he runs toward the basement. And then he yells, guys, guys. And then all we hear is, oh no. Oh no. And then we hear yelling. And then we hear, oh my God. Oh my God. Cora, Cora, wake up. And then it's just screaming these primal gut-wrenching screams, yellings. Like you can hear the 911 operator going, what's happening in the basement? What's happening in the basement? Tell me. What is he screaming about? What is he screaming about? What's happening? And for the first time, stable, controlled, reliable Patrick Clancy is anything, but he cannot communicate anything to the 911 operator. He is screaming. And we know from his testimony that he's undoing these bans from his children's necks, right? That he's untying them, that he's trying to save them. We know that he sees Dawson and he knows that Dawson is gone. We know that he's removing the bans from Callan and Cora because he found them first. And then he found Dawson. The screams just continue. Honestly, I'm like, how much longer are we going to hear screams? Even I'm like thinking to myself, tell somebody, tell somebody what's going on. And he can't. And he's crying and he's screaming and he's gasping like, Oh my God, just screaming operator. Hello, what's going on? And then Patrick finally is able to say like in a, in a scream, I need police in the basement right now. Oh my God. Oh my God. And the operator goes, hello, hello, Patrick. I need you guys down here right now. And there's just screaming, just utter primal screaming, just this heart wrenching, torturous, agonizing screams. They said for so long. Patrick keeps screaming and screaming. She killed the kids. Oh my God. Screaming, screaming, screaming operator. Then you hear say, holy shit. Someone said maybe it was actually the police officer coming down that said, holy shit. I thought it was the 911 operator. Holy shit. Because it's like they're realizing what he just said. She killed the kids. And then you hear again, the operator once again says, holy shit. And then the call cuts. Lindsay Clancy at this moment is sobbing. She had started holding Kevin Reddington's hand, clenching it very tightly. Actually there's a photo. It's, it's a tight clench. Kevin Reddington sat next to her and she clenched his hand. And then there comes a moment where holding his hand didn't work anymore. And she lets go and she puts her hand, her face into her hands, buries them. And many of you have already seen that video. And she just starts sobbing uncontrollably. And it was during this call and during Patrick's screens, during what is happening. So the 911 call cuts. There are reporters crying, cameramen crying. I'm crying. People have covered dozens of trials. They were all crying. I've heard the pool photographer was crying. Lindsay was sobbing. As I just mentioned her attorney, Kevin Reddington, trying to hold her hand, trying to console her. Her shoulders are rising and falling as she's crying. The jurors are seeing this. And, and the judge very quickly called a very needed recess to give everyone a moment to breathe. And I'm sure to get all of the emotions and the trauma under control in his courtroom, in the commonwealth, the process, what we had all just heard. So I explained this during my live, but as we're leaving the courtroom, you can audibly hear Lindsay still just sobbing. It's getting worse and worse because, because the jury actually left. They got the jury out fast before us even, you know, they're like jury leave, get out of here. You know, I don't think they wanted the jury to like be in front of all this emotion either, right? Nobody's fault, but let's remove the jury before they witness anything else. And they're saying clear the courtroom. And like I said, I've never seen the courtroom sort of cleared so slowly. And it wasn't because we were all like trying to watch and, and look and see what she was doing. It was like, it was like, we were all just like frozen. It was just like, we were all traumatized. Like what just happened? And, and, and we, it was like, none of us could like leave and go out the door. There were a lot of people in the courtroom. We were trying to go out and the bailiffs were like, leave, like leave. It was like, and, and you could just hear her crying. And I think a lot of it was like, what do you do? And so finally they, they, they take Lindsay and they wheel her out of the courtroom and they remove her. And then somehow that did help. And everyone kind of was able to get out of the courtroom just a little bit faster. And as she's wheeled out, she is still loudly sobbing. Yeah. It was supposed to be a 20 minute break, but it ended up being an hour. It felt like a 20 minute break, honestly, but it was an hour break. And after the recess, uh, we returned to the courtroom, as did Lindsay, but this time she had clear glasses on, which we haven't seen her wearing glasses before. And the prosecution brings up their second witness, CVS pharmacy manager, Angela Cross. I remember thinking that's interesting. There was no cross exam of Patrick. Is that strategy? Are they going to, are they going to just wait and have him testify in question for the defense? I thought that was interesting, but he does come back. But until then we have a second witness, CVS pharmacy manager, Angela, Angela Cross. And I wonder if this is meant to be too, like, if they're like, you know, maybe trying to just have some calmness in the court. They bring in the CVS pharmacy manager. All Angela really needs to do is describe that she got a call on January 24th, 2023 from a woman asking about children's medication. And it was the same medication that Patrick said he was heading out to pick up. Cross told the court, the call lasted a few minutes and nothing about this call raised any red flags for her. And in her words, it was quote, a very normal interaction. Patrick had already testified that he spoke briefly with Lindsay while he was at the pharmacy. And that short call happening right around the time the prosecutors say the children were killed. Cross said that later that night, she handed over surveillance footage of Patrick inside the CVS store along with his receipt. [00:55:07] Speaker 3: A few minutes. During that conversation, did you have any difficulty understanding the woman? No, ma'am. Did she appear to have any difficulty understanding you or the questions that you were asking her? No, ma'am. And did she, her voice, did it, did it seem slurred or impaired in any way? Not at all. It's a very normal interaction. I was just going to ask, was there anything out of the ordinary about the conversation? No. No. Later that evening, did the police come to the store? Yes. And did they request that you pull some surveillance footage for them? Yes. And did you do that? Yes. Yes. And, um, if I could just have, um, exhibit 28, the footage, um, up for a moment. [00:55:52] Speaker 1: The prosecution's third witness is Soraya Sweeney. And she is the hostess at 3V. That's the restaurant where Patrick picked up the takeout order, his risotto and Mediterranean Power Bowl. So on January 24th, 2023, Sweeney is, says she is the one that took a call from a woman ordering a risotto and Mediterranean Power Bowl. She identifies Patrick as the person who comes in to grab the food. Sprague had her describe the caller. And she says that the woman did not sound confused. The woman did not sound impaired. The woman did not sound like she was struggling to follow the conversation. She answered questions normally placed to order clearly and nothing about the interaction struck Sweeney as unusual. And the defense chose not to cross-examine her and court broke out for recess. So the courtroom was calmed down a bit after that. And after, and I understand the judge's reasoning, because after that lunch recess where I shared, finally, I did my live in, from the parking lot, from or car. After the recess, Patrick was brought in for cross-exam. So there you go. I was confused. Why no cross-exam? Well, they were waiting a little bit. And I wonder also, remember how I told you how heavily Patrick was breathing and how he was not okay. I also wonder if they all decided that he needed more time. He was not okay. The jury was probably not okay. I had heard a lot of rumors going around, but I can't confirm anything about some people really struggling. So they bring Patrick back in now for his cross examination. And Kevin Reddington, Lindsay's attorney, starts by letting the jury know that he and Patrick had met before. He'd gone through the Clancy home with Patrick right after police remove, finished removing what they had considered evidence. Reddington had walked to a room to room, actually taking photographs, which Patrick did confirm. And then Reddington took Patrick back to the beginning when he first met Lindsay Clancy. Patrick explains that they met while she was in college at the MGH Institute. She was a double major accelerated program and a very strong student. Lindsay earned her RN relatively young and went straight into labor and delivery at Mass General. She started there in 2014. They eventually moved in together in Quincy. Patrick said that she loved nursing. It was her dream and she loved helping people. Reddington tried to push back on the state's suggestion that Lindsay was anxious about returning to work because she didn't want to work. He tossed in the word lazy and the state objected. The judge sustained and told him to sort of rephrase. So he struck lazy and he tried again. He asked Patrick if Lindsay's anxiety about going back was because, you know, she didn't want to work. And Patrick said, no, not at all. It was because she was struggling being away from the kids when they were little. [00:59:18] Speaker 5: How did she like being a nurse? She loved it. I think it was her dream. Did you say that she enjoyed her work and helping people? Definitely. Yeah. So there's been some commentary here from the government about that she was anxious because she had to go back to work, but she didn't want to go to work. She's lazy or whatever the case may be. Objection. This is sustained. If you could rephrase that. All right. So I'll strike lazy then. She didn't want to go back to work, but I believe you said in answer to the VA there was a reason that you could see that she was anxious about going back to work, correct? Correct. Now, was she anxious about going back to work, to your knowledge, because she just didn't want to work? No. What was the reason? She struggled to be away from our kids at a young age. So when you guys ultimately moved to doctor therapy, did you have children then? Yeah. [01:00:19] Speaker 1: I'll be honest. I know that struggle well, being away from having to go off maternity leave. I know it well. So Reddington walked him through the timeline when they moved to Duxbury. They already had children and ultimately ended up with three children. He asked about Cora's birth. Patrick said it was rough. Lindsay did not have time for an epidural and she lost a lot of blood. And then Reddington asked if Patrick recognized Lindsay's handwriting. Patrick actually said he hadn't seen her handwriting in a long time and wasn't sure if he would recognize it. Reddington asked if Lindsay used to make lists and take notes a lot. Patrick said yes. A document was admitted. Reddington asked if the handwriting looked like Lindsay's. Patrick said yes, it did. The state objected. They approached for a sidebar, but ultimately the document was admitted and shown. Patrick explained that Lindsay named Cora Cora, because that was the name of the first baby that Lindsay had ever delivered as a nurse. Reddington asked what kind of mother Lindsay was. Patrick said she was very dedicated. She did everything. She read to them starting at three months old. She made up songs for them. She cooked green eggs and ham for Cora, because Cora loved that book, Green Eggs and Ham. She brought them to music classes. Reddington pointed out that Patrick was a musician himself. Patrick said yes, he played guitar. Reddington said it looked like every room in their home was centered around the children. Patrick agreed. In the dining room, they had the table that Patrick had growing up with art projects everywhere. Stickers, learning tools hanging on the walls. The state had shown a photo of the playroom earlier. It was admitted and displayed again. Toys everywhere. The photo of Dawson's room, stickers, ABC posters, Paw Patrol decals. Patrick said that Lindsay took hundreds, maybe thousands of pictures of the kids. She made collages showing each child's growth and hung them on their walls. It was very sweet to see all of these as exhibits. Reddington asked about Lindsay's relationship with Dawson. This was interesting. specifically, Lindsay's relationship with Dawson. Patrick said that she loved Dawson very much. Reddington asked Patrick if she resented Dawson. Patrick said no. I want to point out, by the way, why I think he asked that. Again, I think one of Reddington's main, main, main sort of ways of his idea of, of debating here and arguing for his client is getting ahead of the prosecution's arguments. And many have pointed out, and many sleuths have found a Facebook post of Lindsay, where she talks about Dawson being a difficult toddler. So I think, honestly, this is them getting ahead of something. We'll pull up that Facebook post. I think most mothers kind of test to feeling like toddlers are hard. Babies are hard. It doesn't mean you don't love them. And so I see that Reddington is, is getting ahead of a lot of the prosecution's narrative. So specifically asks Lindsay about her relationship with Dawson. Patrick said she loved him. Did she resent Dawson? Patrick said no. And then they moved into Lindsay's Facebook post. Reddington asked if she used Facebook a lot. Patrick said yes. He didn't look at it much though himself. They admitted a photo from her Facebook. And then a collage of Cora. Another of Cora and Dawson. A family photo on a merry-go-round. Photos of Dawson. More of Cora and Dawson. First day of preschool. Lindsay and Cora. Family outings. Christmas holidays. Birthdays. Reddington was showing how proud she seemed of her children and their family. Patrick mentioned that Cora's birthday party at that trampoline park on January 7th. They held it that day so her friends could come because most people, right, they're not available on Christmas Eve, which was her actual birthday. More photos then came in. Callan, Dawson, and Lindsay in the backyard. And then summer 2022 photos. Clearly Reddington is showing the kind of mother, doting mother, loving mother that Lindsay was. They went to Cape Cod. Then Reddington explained that he said there were a couple points he wanted to raise. He asked Patrick if he remembered when the district attorney questioned him about their anniversary on December 2nd, 2022. This was Monday. Testimony was kind of awkward. The prosecution was really pushing Patrick about something he allegedly did with Lindsay for their anniversary on December 2nd, suggesting they went to a fancy hotel. Lindsay had a massage and they had this big fancy dinner. Patrick said, yes, he remembered being asked that, but he said in reality, they didn't really do any of that. In fact, they didn't do any of it. They stayed home. Reddington said the state wanted inference to be that Lindsay was relaxed enough in December of 2022 to go out, get a massage, have a nice dinner with her husband. When in reality, actually Patrick explains, no, she was in bed. The state objected, of course. The judge told Reddington to rephrase. Reddington then brought in another photo, the same one the state showed on Monday that they say was taken on December 2nd, the day the prosecution originally suggested Patrick and Lindsay had gone out for their anniversary. Reddington also admitted a photo of Cora's Christmas wish list. Lindsay had sent it to Patrick on December 2nd and the metadata showed it was taken at their home. So at least on that day, it seems she was at home and not out of town celebrating an anniversary. And then he moved to an email, something Patrick sent from his Surface Pro laptop. It was admitted as Exhibit 76. The email was sent to his staff members on January 24th at 5:24 PM. And they kind of partially showed the email so no one could totally see what it was about, kept some privacy. But we were told enough to know that this was an email it was sent to his team. Reddington asked about Callan's birth. Patrick said Callan was born May 26, 2022. It was a good birth, no complications. They were happy. They felt lucky. He said that summer was one of the best summers they'd ever had. But by September and October of 2022, Lindsay's mental health, it starts slipping more stress, more anxiety. She reaches out for help. She goes and she sees a Dr. Jennifer Tufts. Dr. Tufts is a psychiatrist. Patrick said Lindsay saw her sometime in September, but he wasn't really involved at the beginning of her treatment with Dr. Tufts. Reddington then asks if Patrick remembered Googling the name Tom Hall and his new album. He actually says Tim Hall and Patrick corrects, well, I know a Tom Hall. Patrick says, yes, he does remember Tom Hall because he briefly listened to his music, country music. They show the search history on, on his computer. Tom Hall's Wikipedia page was there. And right above that, the words in quote, suicide methods are there. Reddington pointed out that Patrick had already told the state he did not Google suicide methods. Patrick repeated that he did not. He Googled Tom Hall, clicked his Wikipedia page, and then he saw the Hall, Tom Hall had died and clicked some of the hyperlinks. Patrick explained what a hyperlink was, a blue highlighted word on Wikipedia that takes you to another page. Reddington walked him through it and that while Patrick was researching Tom Hall, the search results showed Tom Hall suicide, ways to commit suicide all mixed together. Tom Hall had killed himself. So Patrick was clicking around trying to understand what happened to him. Patrick said, yeah, that sounded right. Reddington made the point that while Patrick was reading about Tom Hall, he must, he must have accidentally touched the hyperlinks connected to these self-harm methods. Patrick agreed. It sounded like that's what happened. Patrick testified that Lindsay had started with Zoloft prescribed by Dr. Jennifer Tots and the state had asked him whether she had ever been on Zoloft or any other SSRI antidepressant in the past. Patrick recalled the conversation they had when they were walking down the street before attending a wedding and Lindsay told him that she needed to use the medication. He said that she had actually told him that she had already been to Tufts and already had the prescription. So that's interesting. That was different than the prosecution's narrative. According to Patrick, Lindsay did not hide any of that from him. And when the state asked how dedicated Lindsay had been to taking her medications as instructed, Patrick said she always took them exactly as the doctor directed. He explained that she kept a diary even, a handwritten log of the milligrams, the types of medication, the day she took them and any reactions she felt. He said she kept that diary in the kitchen and a photo of books from the kitchen was admitted, including one titled heartbreaking. Good moms have scary thoughts. It was in a shelf in the kitchen. Good moms have scary thoughts. Patrick said he didn't really recall that book. So Reddington didn't want it admitted since he couldn't remember it, but the jury already had seen him. Reddington asked who the next doctor was after Tufts and Patrick said it had been Julie Paul, a brief consultation at South Shore. His mother, who was a nurse there, had recommended Paul. Lindsay went alone and he never met her. So most of those visits were via Zoom. The only in-person visit Lindsay had had was with Rebecca Gelata and Patrick said he had insisted on that because he was fed up with the 15-minute Zoom calls. He wanted clarity. He wanted someone to like sit down with Lindsay face to face and help them. So Lindsay had been on Zoloft from Tots and that overlapped with when she saw Julie Paul in October. Patrick couldn't recall whether Paul prescribed anything. He did remember observing reactions to the Zoloft, mainly that her insomnia had worsened. At one point she went 48 hours without any sleep. It frightened her and it made it nearly impossible to function. Patrick said he just wanted her to sleep. He wanted her to feel better. After seeing Julie Paul, he said it was hard to tell whether she improved or declined because she only saw Paul for about a week before being reassigned. He said she wasn't doctor shopping. That is not what this was. That's what the state insinuated. And he said, no, that's not what was happening. She, Lindsay, his wife, ex-wife, his wife then, was simply switching providers within the same practice because Paul had left. And then she saw Dr. Gelata who put her on Syroquil and benzodiazepine Ativan. Patrick acknowledged that the benzodiazepines were addictive. He said, Lindsay reacted very negatively to the Syroquil. She was getting worse. That's an antipsychotic. And she reported this to Gelata. All of their visits were on Zoom and lasted about 15 to 20 minutes. That's it. At some point Patrick went with Lindsay to see Gelata in person in early December 2022. Lindsay appeared extremely sleep deprived and highly anxious. He described her rocking back and forth with her head under a pillow and they reported that behavior to Gelata. After that in-person visit, Gelata increased the Syroquil significantly and prescribed Valium to help taper Lindsay off the Ativan. This is so many drugs, Valium now. Reddington asked whether Lindsay had sought out benzodiazepines because she was an addict. And Patrick said, absolutely not. Lindsay did not want any more Benzos. And she did not want any more Syroquil. She just wanted the right medication. By mid December, Patrick said she seemed to get worse. The Syroquil had been increased by 400 milligrams intended to help her sleep, but it did not. She deteriorated. And then came December 20th. Lindsay went to woman and infant's hospital in Rhode Island. Patrick drove her and dropped her off. He said he seemed scared. He took Dawson skiing that day. But later, Lindsay called and said he needed to come and pick her up. And the doctors wanted to speak with him. They did not prescribe any medication and they decided the program was not, it was not a right fit for her. Patrick didn't think they contacted Gelata and said that Lindsay was only there for about a half day. And after he picked her up, her parents came over to help just to be present with her, right? Getting takeout, playing games, helping with the children. Next, Patrick explained that he and Lindsay normally slept in the same bedroom. But there was that one occasion where Lindsay asked him to go downstairs so she could try to get better sleep. And eventually she ended up downstairs herself. And then Reddington asked him about the weed or the sleep gummies that the state brought up. Remember that from Monday? The, heaven forbid, the weed gummy. Well, Patrick does not remember Lindsay taking one, but he explains that they did have them in the house. This wasn't a secret. And when asked whether Lindsay ever smoked weed or used CBD, he said, no, she did not smoke. And then they walked through the holidays of 2022. Patrick thought they spent Christmas at home, celebrating Cora's birthday, and then drove down to Wallingford to be with Lindsay's parents. Heading into January after her stay in McLean, she switched back to seeing Jennifer Tufts. And then they revisited New Year's. Patrick said that they drove to Boston, went to MGH, and Lindsay ultimately admitted herself to McLean. He said it was a locked facility. So she couldn't just walk out, but she could move around inside. And when asked what her state of mind was that night, Patrick said she was scared. She didn't want to go. And then he added, he told her, you have to go because that was the second time she had ended up in the ER. So, so, so he is having reason. He's saying, you have no choice. You've got to go. He described what McLean looked like from his perspective as a husband visiting his wife, mostly nurses behind plastic barriers, people sitting around watching TV or playing with clay. He didn't see much in the way of doctors. The only psychiatrist he knew Lindsay saw was Dr. Goodhart near the end of her stay. And he said that he called Dr. Goodhart himself because he, as Lindsay's husband, was trying to understand her evaluation. He started to repeat what she told him, but the judge cut it off with an objection. He did say she recommended medication, multiple options, and then told them to check in with Lindsay's doctor. He remembered that Cymbalta, he remembered that one was being mentioned. The defense made a point of clarifying that Lindsay was not discharged against medical advice. Patrick agreed. She completed what she believed was a standard five-day stay and that she wanted to be home for Cora's birthday. So, that's, it's another contradiction with how the prosecution had painted this Monday. That Lindsay wanted to leave to be there for Cora's birthday party on January 7th. But according to the defense, this was a standard five-day stay and she was looking forward to being home for Cora's birthday. When asked whether they received anything from McLean upon discharge, a bag, instructions, a prescription, Patrick said he didn't think so. He didn't even know what Cymbalta was at the time. He remembered Lindsay being told to google it and Reddington added that she actually ended up googling hundreds of medications. And then they moved into the days after they got home. The birthday party for Cora, friends gathering at a place in Plymouth. Reddington pointed out that Lindsay had long-standing friendships from grade school through college and Patrick agreed. He also said that one of their friends had named Lindsay as godmother for their child if anything ever happened to them. The defense brought up a small diary that Lindsay kept, a medication log. Patrick recognized it and said that she used it to track doses and how she felt. One entry they showed on the screen looked very organized. Five milligrams of volume, 200 Seroquel, and Lindsay even puts notes, "slept well, horrible thoughts in the morning." They revisited the moment Lindsay told him and her mother about the horrible thoughts she was having. Patrick said that that conversation had been emotional for her. And then they switched to start discussing his work routine. Patrick worked in the basement about 40 hours a week, sometimes more. He'd been working from home since 2018 partly so he could help out with the kids. He built an office down there. He said he was always around unless he was traveling. And when the questioning got into Patrick's traveling, he explained that during the height of COVID he barely went anywhere. But towards the end in November 2022, he did take one work trip to New York City. So Reddington pointed out that this was just a month before Lindsay told him and her mother that she was having thoughts about hurting the children. Patrick said he went to New York for two nights. Lindsay stayed home with the kids. Reddington, you know, he kind of leaned into that, saying that if Lindsay had wanted to harm the children, she had two full days alone with them, right? Patrick agreed. In theory, yeah. [01:18:52] Speaker 5: November of 2022. November of 2022 is a month before she was telling you and her mother that she was having thoughts about hurting the children, right? Right. November of 2022 and you traveled. Where did [01:19:10] Speaker 4: you travel to? New York. And how long were you there, sir? Two nights. And who took care of the kids? Lindsay. Sorry? Lindsay took care of the kids. [01:19:30] Speaker 5: So for two days, two nights, a month, and a week or so, before she killed the children, she was home with the kids for two days. Is that right? Right. Fair to say that you also had your friends that you would do brunch with on occasion, Sundays or weeknights or whatever guy's guy's night type thing. Yeah. And you'd be out with your friends. If she wanted to kill the kids, she certainly could have done at that time when you're out, right? In theory. [01:20:03] Speaker 1: Reddington also brought up the fact that Patrick had his own social life, brunches, guys nights, skiing. But Lindsay never hurt the children during those times alone when Patrick was out with his friends. And then they moved into Lindsay's books. Patrick said she had all kinds of books like parenting, mental health, and workbooks. Reddington showed him one labeled postpartum depression, anxiety, patient information sheet. It was decorated with flowers. Patrick recognized it. He said the state police had seized items like that from the house. At the end of that booklet, there was handwriting, Lindsay's handwriting. Patrick said it looked like notes that she kept about her symptoms day by day. The judge admitted Dr. Tuft's mental health records, and then the defense went back to the CVS document Patrick had talked about earlier, the one listing all the medications Lindsay had been prescribed. Patrick confirmed that the police had seized a bunch of pill bottles, and he also had some in his car. He explained that when Lindsay's providers changed her dosage, they told her to give the old prescription to him so he could discard it. So when the DA pointed out that some bottles only had a few pills taken, Patrick clarified that it was not because Lindsay was mistaking her medication. It was because he had been told to remove the old bottles and she was taking the updated ones. He said that without context, I think this was the context, remember on Monday where I said he mentioned there needs to be context, here's your context. This is what he said, quote, without that context, it paints a different picture. He said the bottles he turned in to police were discontinued prescriptions. The police had already searched the house and seized everything they found in the kitchen and bedroom. There were pills everywhere. And after that search, he told them still, he still had some of some in his truck. And so he brought them to the DA's office. Then the defense walked him through what they found in the bedroom when they visited the house hours later. Patrick identified the drawer from Lindsay's nightstand. Inside were empty pill bottles and explained that those were the ones she had crushed and mixed into the drink that she had used that day. There was an apple watch in there too. Patrick said it was the only one she owned. The police had used that watch data to track her movements during the incident and heart rate, but they never seized the watch itself. It was still sitting in the drawer. They also found a sleep mask and the pillow spray Lindsay used regularly. Patrick said she bought it because it supposedly helped with sleep. Reddington held up a small green vase and Patrick was asked if he recognized this vase and Patrick said yes. But before he could explain what it was, the state objected and the judge called for a sidebar. I think I know what this face is, by the way. This face has come up before, I believe in a, you know, yeah. But there was a sidebar. Reddington then asked whether Lindsay had ever been instructed to keep a nighttime diary and Patrick said no. So they skipped the vase. I think the vase is going to be important. I don't know when the vase is coming in, but I believe she left little prayers and wishes for her children. At least there's, there's something. I don't know if that's the green vase, but interestingly, sidebar objection didn't happen. So we don't know what that green vase is. Patrick said he was not aware of her keeping a diary. When asked if he ever saw her writing in a diary or something with dates, he said that he knew she kept notes, but he didn't actually see her doing it. Reddington then handed him a document. Patrick looked at it and it appeared to be a schedule, a schedule for Callan, like feeding times, naps, little notes with smiley faces, lots of pages of daily logs. Patrick said that this was typical for Lindsay. He said that he did not find this controlling. He said he found it helpful. Reddington then returned to the window photograph, the one showing the second story drop. Patrick said that the window in question was at the top of the photo. Reddington pointed out an orange ball under the, the sill and reddish marks above it. Patrick explained that the orange ball was foam that he used to fill holes made by a woodpecker that was poking holes in their house. He said he repaired other sections of the house for the same reason, that woodpecker. They also pointed out what looked like fingerprints or blood on the edge of the window in the photos. Sprague started redirect by going back over the timeline. It was her time back. Prosecution was back up after that. She pointed to the email that Patrick had sent at 5:24 PM on January 24th, which he said could have been sent from his iPhone. She reminded him that the CVS footage showed him entering the store at 5:32 PM phone in hand. He agreed. So he was clearly out of the house by 5:24. She walked him through the timing. Lindsay's PDLax texts came at 5:15 PM. The CVS was three minutes away. So he should have arrived around 5:18, 5:20, but he didn't go inside until 5:32. Sprague asked whether he could have just been sitting in his car, sending the email during the gap. Patrick said yes. He really didn't know. He doesn't remember sitting in his car. She then clarified the Boston trip confusion. Her, her questions have been about December 3rd, their anniversary, not December 2nd, like, like Reddington had just stated. So, Dawson's doctor appointment was December 2nd, she reminded Patrick. It was December 3rd that they did have plans to go to Boston for their anniversary, even though, true, they did not follow through. Patrick explained that he had been confused earlier because they ended up staying home, but once he thought about it, yes, he remembered that the plans and the texts. Sprague showed him the text messages. Lindsay was booked for a 90-minute massage at 1:45. He told her she could use the gym and pool, and they discussed lunch and dinner. Patrick confirmed that the plans did exist. It's just that they were canceled. The photo the state had referenced earlier was from September. That photo that they got wrong and claimed was their December anniversary, no, it was September, from the wedding that they had attended, [01:26:30] Speaker 3: and not their anniversary trip. And then you write that they'll let you use the gym and the pool while she's getting her massage. Is that correct? Right. And then you talk about plans for lunch and dinner. And so there were the plans, they just fell through, right? Yeah, we canceled them. Yeah. So it's not as if I made that up out of thin air that's here in the text messages, correct? Right. Yeah, it was, [01:27:03] Speaker 4: it was just confusing because we were home. But, but yeah, when I left, I recollected that and then I found the picture and the picture was from September. And was that from the wedding you went to? Yeah. [01:27:14] Speaker 1: Sprague then returned to the medication issue. On cross, Patrick had said Lindsay always took her medications exactly as instructed, but on direct, he had said he wasn't with her every time she took them, which was interesting. Sprague pressed that point. He trusted her and she told him that she took them correctly, but he could not definitively say he witnessed every dose. Patrick agreed. He, he wasn't standing next to her every time. Sprague moved into the Facebook search issue from August 23rd, 2022. She reminded Patrick that he had been asked about the surface probe being used to look up the country singer, Tom Hall, who had died by self-harm. And he confirmed that part. He said he listened to Tom Hall for about a week, but he didn't remember the specifics of any accidental clicks or searches. Sprague pressed the timeline saying that at 9:40 AM, someone signed into Lindsay's Facebook on the Surface Pro. At 9:43 AM, the Tom Hall site was accessed. At 9:45 AM, someone clicked into a, quote, "methods of suicide" page. She said it wasn't just a pop-up. It was an intentional link, not a hyperlink. And the, they spent about three minutes scrolling methods. Patrick said that he did not remember spending three minutes on something almost four years ago. He also does not remember clicking on a link to a suicide bridge in Australia. When asked whether it might have been him, he said, "I have no idea." So the prosecution really pushing back on this idea that it was Tom Hall that caused this search for, for [01:28:54] Speaker 3: methods of self-harm. And so were you aware that on 8:23, August 23rd, 2022, at 9:40 AM, someone signed into Lindsay's Facebook account on the Surface Pro? No. And then at 9:43 PM is when the Tom Hall site was accessed. Do you recall that? Yeah. And at 9:45 AM is when a person, not just hit a link by accident, but actually had to click on a link to go to suicide methods. Are you aware of that? No. Okay. Is there any reason why you would have been going in and logging on to Lindsay's Facebook account while going on Wikipedia and looking at suicide methods all in that same five minutes? I didn't use, I didn't log into [01:29:46] Speaker 4: about Lindsay's Facebook ever. It's very possible that I looked at Tom Hall's Wikipedia page, but... [01:29:53] Speaker 3: At some point? Yeah. Do you remember spending three minutes on the Methods of Suicide site, scrolling through and reading the Methods of Suicide site for three minutes? [01:30:05] Speaker 4: No. I don't remember something I did for three minutes almost four years ago. Do you remember [01:30:12] Speaker 3: being on that site, the Methods of Suicide, and clicking on a link to a bridge in Australia that [01:30:18] Speaker 1: people use to commit suicide? Yeah. Sprague then returns to Lindsay's stay at McLean Hospital. Patrick describes it as a locked ward. But Sprague clarifies that it was a voluntary commitment into this hospital. He had not filed any paperwork to have her committed. There was no court order. If Lindsay wanted to leave and doctors did not believe she was a danger, she could leave. Patrick said he wasn't sure how that worked. But the commitment, yes, it was voluntary. He had testified that he visited her at least twice. There were afternoon visits and evening visits, meaning he wasn't present during the morning hours when group therapies were offered or when she met with other practitioners. He wasn't there during the 15-minute checks, but Lindsay told him about them. He knew she went on at least one walk with staff, meaning her privileges changed as her stay progressed. Sprague then focused on her medication confusion. Patrick had said she thought Dr. Goodhart recommended Cymbalta, but Sprague pointed to the CVS records. The records said trazodone 50 milligrams prescribed by Goodhart, lorazepam 1 milligram, also prescribed by Goodhart. Both prescriptions were filled on January 5th, 2023, the day Lindsay was discharged, not while she was staying at McLean. Patrick agreed. Sprague clarified that Goodhart did not prescribe Cymbalta. No one did. Instead, Lindsay ended up on amitriptyline prescribed by Dr. Jennifer Tufts and Dr. Tufts prescribed diazepam 5 milligrams on January 9th and amitriptyline 10 milligrams on January 16th when Lindsay reported depression symptoms. Sprague reiterated that Lindsay was weaned off Xeroquel at McLean. Patrick believes she was taken off all prior medications, but he wasn't certain. He said he remembers her taking trazodone and thought she had taken it before McLean, but he wasn't sure about dates. Sprague asked which would be the best record of what she was prescribed. The doctors or the CVS records, Patrick said the CVS records. And then she walked him through the yearly medications. Lindsay was prescribed Zoloft only once at the very beginning and took just seven pills before stopping. She then switched to Prozac, but didn't take many of those either. Each time she had side effects, the medication was changed. Eventually, she ended up at McLean because she was having difficulties with Xeroquel. Patrick agreed with all of this. He said, yeah, you're right. They were trying to figure out what would work. Yes, Xeroquel was part of why she went to McLean and she was weaned off of it there. After McLean, Lindsay was only on trazodone, Ativan, and then amitriptyline added on January 16th. Patrick confirmed yes. And then she corrected another point from Cross. Defense counsel had said the New York trip was a month, a month before the children died, but it was actually a little more than two months. Patrick also agreed. At that time, Lindsay had not started Xeroquel yet. He thought it was in late November or December when she started it. So Sprague asked whether Lindsay had been, had been okay during the New York trip. Patrick said she was doing much better than she was in December. He also said that immediately after returning from New York, he left again the next morning with Cora for their trip to San Francisco, November 4th through the 7th. Lindsay cared for Dawson and Callen during that time. Patrick said her anxiety and depression were starting to tick up, but nothing bad happened. Sprague then contrasted December with January. Patrick testified things worsened in December, but after McLean, Lindsay steadily improved throughout January after her stay at McLean, January 24th, the day of the incident, Patrick describes as one of her best days. Sprague also asked about the Apple watch, the Apple watch that Belize did not collect, but they did collect Lindsay's phone. Patrick agreed. The watch was probably linked to the phone. Sprague also clarified the window measurement. Patrick had said 20 feet, but she told them the actual measurement window from the window seal to the ground was 12 feet. He said he never measured it, but accepted if that's what she was saying. Then Sprague returned to the notebook, the one Patrick had identified as Lindsay's schedule for Callen. Sprague pointed out that the notebook also contained writings from someone else, likely a nanny. Patrick said, "Yeah, Lindsay used different notebooks to communicate instructions to babysitters or to him." Sprague read several examples, detailed feeding instructions, nap schedules, how warm Callen liked his bottle, how long to try before texting her, how to handle drowsy but awake naps, how long to let him settle, when to wake him, how to prepare oatmeal with breast milk, even lists of vegetables to wash and cut. Patrick agreed. The notes were very specific. He had not seen this particular notebook before, but the style matched what Lindsay typically wrote. After that, Reddington came back up and asked which nanny the notes were for. Patrick said, Elaine Rozzi, who worked for them about two months before leaving because she needed more hours. Lindsay was home so they could not provide the hours for Elaine, their nanny. Reddington asked whether it was fair to say Lindsay, as a concerned mother, would give instructions to anyone caring for her infant. Patrick said, "Yes." And he would have done absolutely the same. [01:35:57] Speaker 5: As far as the records are concerned, it's fair to say that Lindsay, as a concerned mother, would give instructions to people that would be taking care of her infant? [01:36:06] Speaker 4: Yeah, I would have done the same. [01:36:08] Speaker 5: A lot of discussion. [01:36:14] Speaker 2: Taking a drink. All right. [01:36:18] Speaker 1: So, Reddington then revisited Trazodone. He suggested that on November 16th, 2022, Lindsay had been prescribed 50 milligrams Trazodone while on Busporin and Fluoxetine, and Patrick said yes, Trazodone had been part of her medication plan for a while. He confirmed that the color-coded CVS list Patrick obtained was an accurate reference of the prescriptions, and that was that. Judge Sullivan addressed the jury. He reminded them of the rules. No talking about the case. No research. No media. No media coverage. Keep an open mind, Judge Sullivan reminded the jury. They had heard some evidence, but they had not heard all of the evidence. And they had not yet heard the law that they would apply to the evidence. He told the jury that on Friday, they were still scheduled to take the view of the Clancy home. Yeah. New owners. Remodeled. And they are getting a court order. The new owners of the Clancy home. That they have to show their home. So, that's scheduled for Friday. And court recessed until 9am tomorrow, when we will be back, back there once again, as media. A motion was also filed today by the defense. It is a motion in limine for emergency relief, instructing the jury to disregard portions of the opening statements and direct. Yeah. This is, this is what it reads. Here we go. The defendant, Lindsay Clancy, moves to strike the government's argument in the opening to the effect that the children were executed in a particular order, inferring a particular focus on one child with more apparent anger, followed up by the remaining two children in a particular order. In fact, there is no factual or rational basis for this prejudicial argument. The government has indicated that the order of killings is a reasonable inference from the physical evidence where the kids were found, their ages, and the fact they could get Callan's pulse back. The jury should be instructed to disregard that argument. Number two, the questioning of Patrick Clancy, inferring that they went to a Boston hotel and Lindsay had a massage and they ate dinner and stayed at the fancy hotel in December of 2022 when she was in the deep throes of mental illness. This was not based on evidence or even a good faith hypothesis. In fact, the government had texts and emails about the plans for the anniversary. There were no messages about canceling the plans. In fact, the government had no good faith basis to infer and stated to an obviously shocked and surprised Patrick Clancy that they did. In fact, have this romantic rendezvous in Boston and they knew they never did. A text exchange regarding discovery on these issues is annexed here too. I want to give a little bit of my opinion on where I think the defense did really well today and may have swayed the jury a bit. If they're starting to think this was a murder-suicide attempt or, you know, something else, postpartum, you know, psychosis. The defense showed that Lindsay was not just simply not taking her medications. In fact, the defense showed that Lindsay even had a daily log to write down her medications and how she was feeling. She had postpartum depression notebooks with daily mood checks in them. Lindsay also told Patrick about Dr. Tufts the same day she told him about the Zoloft in September at that wedding, showing that she was not hiding this from Patrick like the prosecution had implied on Monday. Patrick also essentially said that Lindsay stopped the Zoloft because of insomnia side effects. That would poke the prosecution's point of, quote, "she only took seven pills and she hides things." While Dr. Goodhart prescribed Trazodone and Lorazepam, we have Patrick saying that they were simply told to Google Cymbalta as an option as well. Patrick also kind of implied that a five-day stay was a normal protocol. And while Lindsay did ask to be discharged, she didn't really leave early as the prosecution was implying. All of the doctors were fine with her leaving at that point. They're like, "Yeah, five days. You're good." Police also never seized her Apple Watch and all of the empty bottles in her medication drawer. So once again, showing she was taking medication. Patrick also said that he didn't find Lindsay's written schedule as controlling. This wasn't controlling because she had a written schedule. Instead, he found her written schedule for the children for baby Callen helpful. And as far as all the notes to the nanny, he said he too would have done that. That also goes against the prosecution's theory of how controlling Lindsay was. So all in all, this was a very long, very heavy, very sad, emotional day in court. One where I think the jury will definitely be processing a lot this evening. And while the defense made some really solid points today, changed my mind on some things. I was like, context does matter. Thank you, defense. Good thing we have cross exams. I admittedly recall thinking that there was no way a jury would convict her today. Admittedly. That's, that's what I thought. If you want to know where I am, I'm following the evidence as it goes. Change my mind. But today, particularly today, I thought there's just no way a jury is going to convict her. Again, I am also staying open to hear what the prosecution has to say. The prosecutions, you know, they have some solid points. They say Lindsay Clancy did this with malice did this because she was done being a mother and because she no longer wanted to live. And she, you know, maybe, maybe not. Sometimes they say, you know, she was suicidal and hung off. She wasn't, you know, there was superficial wounds and she hung off the window and, but that she was done being a mother and she wanted to take her kids with her. The defense painting a woman in the midst of postpartum psychosis, Andrea Yates 2.0, you know, um, a doting husband and father who could have never fathomed that Lindsay would have ever done this. That really came across today in the 911 call. I did wonder about it because a lot of people have been hard on Patrick. If, if she's telling you these things, Patrick, why are you leaving her alone? But according to Patrick, it was one of the best days I'd ever had. And again, the one thing I noticed in that 911 call, it was a very, very long time before Patrick finally decided to go check on the kids. He was staying with Lindsay. It was very clear. It didn't even cross his mind that the children had been harmed or in harm's way. Because if he had thought that he would have rushed a lot faster to their side, it didn't even cross his mind. And you could tell that it wasn't something he thought Lindsay was capable of. There was no inkling of are the kids okay. It was, I've got to take care of the lid of Lindsay. And then once she's with somebody and once she's safe, I'll go check on the kids. What he saw in the basement was nothing he was expecting to see. It hadn't even crossed his mind. This was not somebody who thought Lindsay was capable of this. I think that was ultimately my takeaway from the 911 call, which is important with evidence. I mean, yes, it was traumatic. Yes, we heard these screams from a father, from a man I'll never forget. But I think as far as evidence goes, there was not an inkling in Patrick Clancy's mind that his wife was capable of this, a woman he had loved for nearly 10 years and known for 10 years. And there was not an inkling in his mind he had to go rush to the basement to help his kids. He was there for his wife and he was there and he was trying to help her. And as he said, Monday, he would have done anything. He said that in his testimony, he would have done anything. But he didn't know what to do. He didn't understand. He even said today, he hadn't even heard of postpartum psychosis until after his children were dead. I know there are a lot of opinions tonight in chat. We welcome all opinions here at Hidden True Crime. We want people to share their differing opinions and listen. Thank you though for sharing them respectfully and kindly. This is a place where I want us to listen to one another and be open to people disagreeing with us. So thank you for not criticizing one another in chat, but just sharing your differing opinions respectfully. I want to thank the kindness here tonight. It really, really means a lot. Thank you, Susie Catherine for gifting five Hidden True Crime memberships. We need more gems around here. We do need Dr. John on this. We absolutely do. I do have a recommendation for a recent episode he did. It didn't get that many views. And in my opinion, I think it's one of our best episodes. I'm very proud of it. I asked him to do this episodes for the moment. It was excellent. It was last week. It's called what's it called? That's what he did. It's essentially the five elements that five truth about why criminals can't stop themselves or five psychological secrets criminals don't want you to know. In other words, five elements that Dr. John Matthias, my co-host, my spouse has repeatedly seen in his assessments, his hundreds of assessments and evaluations of criminals and offenders over the years. Five repeating key elements. It's a very interesting podcast. Towards the end of it, we mentioned how we were going to cover the Lindsay Clancy trial and case. He also has a couple of episodes already about Lindsay Clancy from the very beginning before we knew all of this evidence from trial, but we did know a lot. And you can find those in our Lindsay Clancy playlist. And also on Patreon, Dr. John and I have a lot of episodes and we recorded one recently, patreon.com/hidden2crime. We are so grateful for our support there. We do bonus episodes for those that support us over on Patreon, patreon.com/hidden2crime. We have over a hundred bonus episodes of Dr. John Matthias, John Matthias, a criminal psychologist and myself discussing sort of just very casually behind the scenes. And yeah, our latest one is interesting. So thank you. Thank you. Thank you so much, skill maker. I appreciate that. Susie Catherine, thank you for your generosity tonight. We're so grateful to have you as a hidden gem. Mary, so good to see you. No, Patrick did not have to listen to the 911 tape today. He left before. Lindsay though, being the defendant did. Decided to give directly to the channel versus sharing memberships tonight. Thank you so much HTC for reporting the facts with compassion. Keep up the great work. Please take care of yourselves. Thank you so much. Fox red dog mom. Thank you share bear member for 27 months. Yes. Grayson. You're doing I, I, these trials, I couldn't do them without Grayson. Ah, Jess. Thank you. This is a great synopsis of the day. I want to share. I am not live tweeting from the trial. I did a couple of trials live tweeting and I decided I, you know, my fingers still hurt from, from, and I know it's not live tweeting, but you know, forgive me. I'm, I'm old, um, live posting on X, um, from the trial. I gave up. My fingers still hurt. Jess is doing that. And she's doing an excellent job of it over on X. I posted her thread today. She is in court each day with me. So thank you, Jess, for being here. Um, the Jess Machado show. So go check out if, if you want live updates on X, she's doing an excellent job over there. Ruby. So glad to have you as a new member. Thank you so much. I appreciate that. I would say thank you, but I'm afraid I'm gonna mispronounce your name, but thank you. Natalie, thank you for your professional coverage. I appreciate that. Amazing reporting. Thank you, Lauren Grayson and Dr. John, and eventually the head of hidden true, the head of HR, Lily. She's our, she's our furry therapy animal, head of HR. This case isn't easy. Thank you for your honest and fair reporting. Please take care of yourselves. I appreciate it. And Dr. John is with Lily right now, taking care of her. So yeah, she's probably gaining weight. John loves to feed Lily. I absolutely would love to be a member here. You have such incredible coverage. Thank you, Christie. Make sure your membership is on and people are often gifting memberships. So make sure that you put your request for memberships on. Um, I'm getting a question. Did Lindsay's emotions feel genuine? Absolutely. Absolutely. There isn't a moment in my mind that I don't think it was genuine. And if you heard the audio that was going on, I don't, I don't think she could have kept it together. And then to see that she was holding her attorney's hand and finally had to pull her hand away. And it, and it just got worse and worse. And then the moment the jurors left, it got even worse. So she wasn't even doing it to be in front of the jurors. In fact, I think she was trying to control it. And then once the jurors were kind of removed, then it became even more so. Like she felt like she could really, and yeah, every, every bit of it felt genuine. Joe, my dear friend, Joe, take care of yourself. Lauren and Grayson XO. This is so heavy. It is. And thank you to, I want to say the many people who have come forward sharing about their personal stories with postpartum depression, um, and your personal experiences. It has been so helpful. I am someone that had deep anxiety, uh, after giving birth, but did not experience postpartum depression. And, um, I appreciate everyone's insights, um, that they have shared to help us understand. And thank you. Thank you so much. And, um, thank you everyone for dealing with my cough early today in my lunch live. Um, uh, Joe, I will be getting some clove oil. We accidentally left it, but I'm ordering some remedies. I also saw pineapple juice and other wonderful remedies, and I am doing a lot. I want you guys to know that. And I have a lot of medications as well. So I'm doing my best. Thank you everyone for being here. Thank you for supporting our channel. Thank you for supporting our work. Thank you for subscribing. Thank you for hitting that notifications bell. You never know when we're going to go live. Um, thank you for those that support us over at patreon.com/hidden2crime. Thank you for those that support us. Uh, we're also, you can find us on tick tock. You can find us on, um, you can find us on Instagram. You can find us on Facebook and you can find me on X. So thank you everyone. Oh, and then one other question I'm wondering about Patrick. You said he didn't look at her. Do they talk or cut off completely? You know, Patrick has since remarried and I don't know. I don't know if they've cut off or not. I don't know why I don't think he's, I don't sense his not looking at her is, um, out of to spite her or to get back at her or as vengeful anyway, in any way. I think it goes back to sort of what I shared at the beginning that he's trying to keep himself together. He's trying to stay focused. He's trying to be there to do a job, which is to get through these questions and she's not coming in to just simply look at Lindsay. He's coming in to do his best job. It's not that he's not seeing her. Once he's on that stand and sitting in the chair, there's no way he can't see her, but it's not like he's staring at her. You know, who is though looking at her a lot is the jury. Every time there's an exhibit, they look at her so much. They look to see how she's reacting. They, they, they look, they look a lot at, at her trying to assess. And yes, there were, there were tears from the jurors today. Um, did I miss anything? Anything else that you pinned? Let's see. Gracie says, thank you for teaching me. Never give up. Never give up. Anyone here, never, ever give up. There is hope. So I, I think many of us have struggled with some really painful thoughts and have been through some painful things. Don't ever give up. So all right, everyone, we will see you tomorrow. And, and then Friday should be interesting. A tour of the home. I don't, I don't know if the, I believe that the media is, is invited to, to some of that. I don't, I don't know what that means and what the media is allowed to do, but I, I am part of the media. And so, so stick with us as we continue to follow this trial from inside the courtroom. And, and please share with your friends, um, and let them know what we are doing. Thank you for your support. We'll see you. Bye-bye.