FULL TESTIMONY — Family member Eldes Cordero Ordonez testifies in the Salguero-Olivares murder trial

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Good morning. [00:00:01] Speaker 2: Buenos dias. [00:00:03] Speaker 3: Do you prefer that I call you Eldis or Mr. Cordero? [00:00:07] Speaker 2: Prefieres que le diga Eldis o Señor Cordero? [00:00:10] Speaker 1: Eldis. [00:00:11] Speaker 2: Eldis. [00:00:12] Speaker 3: Okay. Eldis, how old are you? [00:00:14] Speaker 2: Eldis, ¿de qué edades? [00:00:16] Speaker 1: Tengo 35 años. [00:00:18] Speaker 2: I'm 35 years old. [00:00:21] Speaker 3: How are you related to the defendant, Miguel Salguero Julivares? [00:00:25] Speaker 2: Y como, ¿cuál es el parentesco que usted tiene con el acusado Señor Salguero Julivares? [00:00:33] Speaker 1: Es conocido porque mi hermana está casado con un tío de él. [00:00:38] Speaker 2: I know him because my sister is married to one of his uncles. What is, what do you call him? Y usted, ¿cómo lo llama él? [00:00:52] Speaker 1: Yo lo he llamado Miguel. [00:00:55] Speaker 2: I've called him Miguel. Do you see him in the courtroom? ¿Usted lo ve en el juzgado? [00:01:03] Speaker 1: ¿Sí, ahora? [00:01:04] Speaker 2: Yes, right now. [00:01:06] Speaker 3: Would you point him out and identify what he's wearing for the record, please? [00:01:10] Speaker 2: ¿Lo puede señalar y puede identificar algo que esté puesto para que conste más actas, por favor? [00:01:16] Speaker 1: Sí, tiene un saco negro y una camisa blanca debajo. [00:01:20] Speaker 2: Yes, he has a black jacket and a white shirt underneath. [00:01:25] Speaker 3: How do you know Miguel's mother, Ms. Fluvia? [00:01:28] Speaker 2: ¿Cómo se conoce usted con la mamá de Miguel, la señora Fluvia? [00:01:35] Speaker 1: Por lo mismo que es cuñada de mi hermana. [00:01:38] Speaker 2: Because of the same thing, she's a sister in love, my sister. [00:01:46] Speaker 3: Okay, and how often do you see her? [00:01:50] Speaker 2: ¿Y cuán seguido le veo usted a ella? [00:01:52] Speaker 1: Mm-hmm, ahora tendría mucho tiempo que no la miraba así, hablando con ella, nada más unas semanas atrás que sí, sí hablé con ella. [00:02:05] Speaker 2: It's been a long time since I had just seen her and it seems like it was about some weeks back that I had spoken to her. [00:02:16] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:02:16] Speaker 1: Y la he visto en misa también, pero no hemos hablado. [00:02:20] Speaker 2: And I also have seen her at mass, but we have not spoken to each other. [00:02:27] Speaker 3: You haven't spoken in a few weeks, is that right? [00:02:29] Speaker 2: En unas semanas no he hablado con ella, ¿cierto? [00:02:32] Speaker 1: Sí, después de unas semanas atrás ya no he hablado con ella. [00:02:35] Speaker 2: Yeah, after a few weeks in the past, I have not spoken to her anymore. [00:02:42] Speaker 3: But you go to church together. [00:02:43] Speaker 2: ¿Pero van a la iglesia juntos? [00:02:45] Speaker 1: Sí, ella va a la misma iglesia que yo, que yo voy también. [00:02:48] Speaker 2: She goes to the same church where I go, I go there too. [00:02:53] Speaker 3: Where are you from, Eldis? [00:02:55] Speaker 2: ¿De dónde es usted, Eldis? [00:02:58] Speaker 1: De Guatemala. [00:02:59] Speaker 2: From Guatemala. [00:03:01] Speaker 3: When did you first come to the Durham area? [00:03:04] Speaker 2: ¿Y cuándo vino usted a esta área de Durham? [00:03:08] Speaker 1: Inicialmente. Uh, en el 2007. [00:03:11] Speaker 2: In 2007. [00:03:15] Speaker 3: Where were you working in 2010? [00:03:17] Speaker 2: ¿En dónde trabajaba en el 2010? [00:03:20] Speaker 1: En Outback. [00:03:21] Speaker 2: At Outback. [00:03:25] Speaker 3: Did Ms. Fluvia also work at the Outback then? [00:03:28] Speaker 2: Y en esa fecha la señora Fluvia también trabajaba en Outback? [00:03:33] Speaker 1: Sí, también. [00:03:34] Speaker 2: Yes, she did also. Do you know when she first came to this area? ¿Y usted sabe cuándo vino ella inicialmente a esta área? [00:03:44] Speaker 1: Sí, ella vino antes que me. [00:03:46] Speaker 2: Yes, she came here before I did. [00:03:50] Speaker 3: And did she also come from Guatemala? [00:03:52] Speaker 2: ¿Y ella también viene de Guatemala? [00:03:55] Speaker 1: Sí, también. [00:03:56] Speaker 2: Yes, she is also. [00:03:59] Speaker 3: When did Miguel first come to Durham? [00:04:02] Speaker 2: ¿Cuándo vino Miguel inicialmente a Durham? [00:04:05] Speaker 1: Ah, él vino después de mí, pero no sé exactamente qué año, no recuerdo. [00:04:13] Speaker 2: He came after me, but I don't know what year exactly. I don't remember. [00:04:21] Speaker 3: Do you remember him coming to work at the Outback? [00:04:23] Speaker 2: ¿Se acuerda que él fue a trabajar en Outback? [00:04:28] Speaker 1: Sí, él trabajó ahí. [00:04:30] Speaker 2: Yes, he worked there. [00:04:32] Speaker 3: And his mother was already working there at the time. [00:04:35] Speaker 2: ¿Y la mamá de él estaba trabajando ahí ya antes que? Sí. Yes. [00:04:42] Speaker 3: Do you remember telling a law enforcement officer that Miguel came in 2010? [00:04:47] Speaker 2: ¿Se acuerda haber informado a un oficial de orden público que llegó en el 2010? [00:04:53] Speaker 1: ¿Cómo así? [00:04:57] Speaker 2: ¿Cómo así? What do you mean? [00:04:59] Speaker 3: Do you remember when an officer asked you before when Miguel came first to Durham? You told them you thought it was 2010. [00:05:07] Speaker 2: ¿Se acuerda que un oficial le pregunto anteriormente a usted y usted le indicó al oficial que Miguel había venido inicialmente a Durham en el 2010? [00:05:20] Speaker 1: Creo que sí, este, recuerdo. No todo exactamente lo que hablamos porque fue hace mucho tiempo. [00:05:28] Speaker 2: I, I, I think so. I don't remember exactly what we talked about because it was such a long time ago. Ok. Ok. [00:05:43] Speaker 3: How long did you work at the Outback Steakhouse? [00:05:45] Speaker 2: ¿Cuánto tiempo trabajó usted en un restaurante para acá? [00:05:49] Speaker 1: Trabajé ahí como desde el 2008 al 2000, creo que era como el 2014, 2016, por ahí así. [00:06:10] Speaker 2: I think I started working from 2008 until, I think it was 2014 or 2016, somewhere around there. [00:06:24] Speaker 3: How long did Miguel work at the Outback Steakhouse when you were there? [00:06:29] Speaker 2: Y cuando usted estaba ahí, ¿cuánto tiempo trabajó Miguel en el restaurante Outback, The Gardens? [00:06:35] Speaker 1: Mmm, no mucho tiempo. Pienso que unos tres a cinco meses. [00:06:40] Speaker 2: It wasn't for long. I think about three to five months. [00:06:45] Speaker 3: And what was your job at the Outback? [00:06:49] Speaker 2: ¿Y cuál era su trabajo en el Outback? [00:06:51] Speaker 1: El trabajo de Miguel. [00:06:54] Speaker 2: Miguel's job? [00:06:55] Speaker 3: No, yours. [00:06:56] Speaker 1: No, en school. Yo trabajaba ya, ya trabajaba haciendo ensaladas. [00:07:01] Speaker 2: I worked there making salads. And what was Miguel's job when he was there? Y cuando Miguel estaba ahí, ¿cuál era el trabajo de él? [00:07:10] Speaker 1: Él limpiaba mesas. [00:07:12] Speaker 2: He was busting the tables. [00:07:18] Speaker 3: And you remember taking English classes when you first came to this area? [00:07:24] Speaker 2: ¿Se acuerda cuando recién vino a esta área? Recuerda haber tomado clases de inglés? Yo. ¿Me? Yes. [00:07:32] Speaker 1: Sí, tomé clases como en el 2010 o 2011. [00:07:36] Speaker 2: Yes, I did take classes around 2010 or 2011. [00:07:42] Speaker 3: Do you remember Miguel also taking English classes when he came? [00:07:46] Speaker 2: Ah, ¿se acuerda que Miguel también tomó clases cuando él también vino? [00:07:50] Speaker 1: Ah, una vez lo vi en Franklin. Ah, él me dio un rayo y me dijo que iba de clases, pero nunca lo vi en un salón tomando clases. [00:08:02] Speaker 2: One time I saw him on Franklin and then he gave me a ride and he was telling me that he was taking classes, but I never saw him in a classroom. [00:08:16] Speaker 3: Were there other people who were also from Guatemala who worked at the Outback Steakhouse during this time? [00:08:22] Speaker 2: Y durante este tiempo había otras personas que también eran de Guatemala y también trabajaban ahí, mi papá. [00:08:29] Speaker 1: Sí. [00:08:30] Speaker 2: Yes. And were some of them family? Y alguno de ellos eran familia? [00:08:36] Speaker 1: Sí, familia, mi, ya. [00:08:37] Speaker 2: Yes, my family. [00:08:39] Speaker 3: And were others of them not your actual biological family? [00:08:43] Speaker 2: Y habían otros que no eran familiares biológicos en realidad. No. No. [00:08:49] Speaker 1: No eran, no eran mi familia, todos. [00:08:52] Speaker 2: Not all of them were part of my family. Okay. [00:08:57] Speaker 3: Um, where were you living between 2010 and 2012? [00:09:04] Speaker 2: Donde vivía usted entre el 2010 y el 2012? [00:09:09] Speaker 1: Ah, yo, yo este, vivía ahí en los apartamentos donde, donde ocurrió la tragedia. [00:09:19] Speaker 2: I was living in the apartments where the tragedy happened. [00:09:24] Speaker 1: Este, en, como en el 2009 o 2010, y después me moví a King Arms. [00:09:33] Speaker 2: So you, when you say you were living in the apartments where the tragedy happened. [00:09:48] Speaker 3: Do you remember if they were called Hawthorne at the View? [00:09:51] Speaker 2: Cuando usted dice que vivía en los departamentos donde sucedió la tragedia, se acuerda si el nombre era Hawthorne, Hawthorne at the View? [00:10:03] Speaker 1: Era, era otro nombre, tenía otro nombre. [00:10:06] Speaker 2: It had another name. Was it Willowbrook? Yeah. Era Willowbrook? Si. [00:10:13] Speaker 3: And, um, what building did you live in, if you remember? [00:10:17] Speaker 2: Y en que edificio vivía usted si es que se acuerdan? [00:10:20] Speaker 1: No, no, no, me recuerdo en el, en el edificio pero no, no me recuerdo en, en el, en el nombre de, del número de puerta, ni del número de edificio tampoco. [00:10:31] Speaker 2: I do remember the building but I don't remember the, the number of the building or the number of the door, the apartment door. [00:10:41] Speaker 3: Okay. And did you say, I'm not sure I understood, did you say that before you lived at Willowbrook, which became Hawthorne at the View, did you live at King's Arms Apartments, is that right? [00:10:51] Speaker 1: Después de, después de ahí viví, después de que viví allí me fui para, para King Arms. [00:10:57] Speaker 2: No, after I lived there, I moved to King, King's Arms. [00:11:02] Speaker 3: Oh, okay, so after you left, um, Willowbrook/Hawthorne at the View, you moved to King's Arms. [00:11:08] Speaker 2: Yeah, this place that could be, you know, Willowbrook, Guillaume, Hawthorne, I just want to know if I would be there at King's Arms. [00:11:17] Speaker 3: Where do you make, oh, I'm so sorry. [00:11:19] Speaker 4: Yeah, if you allow for the prosecutor to ask the question. [00:11:25] Speaker 2: Señor, por favor, permita a la fiscal que haga la pregunta. [00:11:30] Speaker 4: Then I'll offer the interpreter to interpret the question for you. [00:11:35] Speaker 2: Y después permita a la interpretación que dé la interpretación y después contesto. Okay. [00:11:44] Speaker 4: Okay. Thank you. [00:11:46] Speaker 2: You may continue with your damage. [00:11:48] Speaker 3: I want to make clear that I understand. When did you live at the apartments where the tragedy happened? Which was the death, is that right, of Faith Hedgepeth? [00:12:00] Speaker 2: Quiero, quiero tenerlo en claro y entender. ¿Cuándo es lo que vivió usted en los departamentos donde sucedió la tragedia, la muerte de Faith Hedgepeth? Can I respond now? [00:12:14] Speaker ?: Yes. [00:12:15] Speaker 1: Yo vivía en King Arms. [00:12:16] Speaker 2: So I used to live in King Arms. When? Cuando? [00:12:19] Speaker 1: Yo vivía en el 2011 y vivía en King Arms. [00:12:21] Speaker 2: So I used to live in King Arms. When? Cuando? Yo vivía en el 2011 y vivía en King Arms. [00:12:28] Speaker 1: In 2011, I lived in King, King's Arms. Okay. I lived in King, King's Arms. Okay. I lived in King, King's Arms. [00:12:34] Speaker 2: Okay. I lived in King, King's Arms. Okay. I lived in King, King's Arms. [00:12:38] Speaker 3: Okay. [00:12:40] Speaker ?: I lived in King's Arms. I lived in King's Arms. I lived in King's Arms. I lived in King's Arms. I lived in King's Arms. I lived in King's Arms. I lived in King's Arms. I lived in King's Arms. I lived in King's Arms. I lived in King's Arms. Okay. I lived in King's Arms. [00:12:52] Speaker 3: When did you live at Willowbrook? [00:13:03] Speaker 2: Cuando vivió en Willowbrook. [00:13:05] Speaker 1: Yo pienso que viví como entre el 2009 al 2010. [00:13:11] Speaker 2: I think I lived there between 2009 and 2010. [00:13:17] Speaker 3: Okay. Where did Miguel live when he first came to Durham, if you know? [00:13:24] Speaker 2: Si es que sabe. Donde vivía Miguel cuando él inicialmente vino a Durham? [00:13:29] Speaker 1: Yo me recuerdo que vivían con mi cuñado y su mamá en los colonies. [00:13:37] Speaker 2: I remember that he lived with his brother-in-law and his mother at the colonies. [00:13:47] Speaker 3: Did he move to King's Arms Apartments sometime in 2010? [00:13:51] Speaker 2: En el 2010, él se mudó a King's Arms Departamentos. [00:13:57] Speaker 1: No lo sé. I don't know. [00:13:59] Speaker 3: Do you remember telling Special Agent Heinrich that he lived in King's Arms Apartments starting in 2010? [00:14:09] Speaker 2: Recuerda usted haber dicho al oficial especial que vivió ahí en el 2010? Él o yo. Him or I? Him. Miguel. El. Miguel. Sí, yo creo que sí. [00:14:22] Speaker 1: Le dije que había vivido ahí. [00:14:23] Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it had told him that he lived there. [00:14:36] Speaker 3: Let me take you back to the Hawthorne at the View Apartments in 2012, around the time that, as you referred to it, the tragedy happened. [00:14:46] Speaker 2: Would you tell us who you knew lived in Hawthorne at the View Apartments? Nos puede decir, ¿quién de los que usted conocía vivía en Hawthorne Apartments? [00:15:15] Speaker 1: Uh, vivía ahí, este, Ariel Velázquez. [00:15:20] Speaker 2: Ariel Velázquez lived there. [00:15:23] Speaker 1: Uh, Hugo Miranda. [00:15:25] Speaker 2: Hugo Miranda. Ever Ordóñez. [00:15:28] Speaker 1: Ever Ordóñez. Uh, Abel Ordóñez. Abel Ordóñez. [00:15:33] Speaker 2: Abel Ordóñez. [00:15:34] Speaker 1: Daniel Ordóñez. Daniel Ordóñez. [00:15:36] Speaker 2: Daniel Ordóñez. [00:15:37] Speaker 1: Son los que recuerdo yo. [00:15:40] Speaker 2: Those are the ones I remember. [00:15:42] Speaker 3: Do you remember Melvin Ordóñez? No me recuerdo. [00:15:45] Speaker 2: I, I don't remember. Okay. [00:15:47] Speaker 1: Um, so you mentioned Ebert, Abel, Daniel, and Melvin. [00:15:48] Speaker ?: And-- Ebert, Abel, Daniel, and Melvin. Ebert. Ebert. [00:15:52] Speaker 1: Ebert. Ebert. [00:15:54] Speaker 2: Ebert. [00:15:55] Speaker 3: Ebert. Ebert. Were they brothers? Son hermanos. Es son, es, es Abel estillo de Ebert. [00:16:02] Speaker 2: Ebert. Ebert. [00:16:04] Speaker 1: Ebert. [00:16:05] Speaker 2: Ebert. [00:16:06] Speaker 3: Ebert. [00:16:07] Speaker 2: Ebert. Were they brothers? Son hermanos. [00:16:10] Speaker 1: Es son, es, es Abel estillo de Ebert. Abel is Ebert's uncle. [00:16:14] Speaker 2: Okay. Are they related to Luis Lopez? Y son parientes o tienen relac-- son o parentesco con Luis Lopez. No conozco a Luis Lopez. [00:16:18] Speaker ?: I do not know Luis Lopez. [00:16:19] Speaker 3: Are they related to Luis Lopez? [00:16:23] Speaker 2: No conozco a Luis Lopez. I do not know Luis Lopez. Isn't his wife your cousin? But his wife is not his cousin. What's her name? [00:16:50] Speaker 3: No, I do not know her name. No, I do not know her name. [00:16:56] Speaker 1: The truth is that I have some family that are like close cousins that I have never lived with them. [00:17:06] Speaker 2: The truth is that I have so much family. They're long extended cousins that I never spend time with them. [00:17:18] Speaker 3: Okay. Were you aware that the people you just mentioned lived in the 1400 building? [00:17:25] Speaker 2: Las personas que usted acaba de mencionar vivían en el edificio 1400. [00:17:33] Speaker 1: Sí, vivían como al fondo, como cuando uno da la vuelta alrededor de los apartamentos. [00:17:39] Speaker 2: They live towards the end as you go around in the apartments. [00:17:47] Speaker 3: Towards the end where the dead end is, the circle there. [00:17:50] Speaker 2: Terminado, un círculo. Uh-huh. [00:17:54] Speaker 3: And you, but you didn't visit them there. [00:17:55] Speaker 4: Oh, you got to say yes or no, por favor. [00:18:00] Speaker 1: Sí, sí. [00:18:02] Speaker 3: Thank you. And your wife's family also lived there, is that right? Not in that particular building, but in Hawthorne at the view? [00:18:13] Speaker 2: Y también la familia de su esposa vivía ahí. Sí, también. En esos edificios. Ajá. No en el mismo edificio, pero en otro edificio. Sí. Sí. Yes. They did also. [00:18:27] Speaker 3: What is your wife's name? [00:18:28] Speaker 2: ¿Cómo se llama su esposa? [00:18:30] Speaker 1: Suseli González. [00:18:33] Speaker 2: Suseli González. [00:18:38] Speaker 3: Did your cousin Juan Carlos also live at Hawthorne at the view? [00:18:42] Speaker 2: Su primo Juan Carlos también vivía ahí, en the view. [00:18:46] Speaker 1: No, él no vivía ahí. [00:18:47] Speaker 2: No, he didn't live there. [00:18:50] Speaker 3: Did he work at the Outback? [00:18:51] Speaker 2: Trabajaba en Outback, él. [00:18:53] Speaker 1: Sí, trabajó ahí. [00:18:55] Speaker 2: Yes, he did work there. [00:18:57] Speaker 3: And did he hang out with people, a lot of your cousins and other family who lived at Hawthorne at the view? [00:19:03] Speaker 2: Y él pasaba tiempo con la gente y primos suyos que vivían en Hawthorne at the view. [00:19:11] Speaker 1: Sí, eran amigos de él, son del mismo lugar. [00:19:14] Speaker 2: Yes, they were friends because they come from the same place. [00:19:19] Speaker 3: And you knew about the picnic table that was over near that end, where they would often hang out, is that right? [00:19:27] Speaker 2: Y usted sabía de esa mesa de picnic que estaba en ese final de ese círculo y por lo general pasaban ahí, ¿cierto? [00:19:40] Speaker 1: Yo sé que había una mesa ahí, pero que ellos pasaban tiempo ahí nada más me recuerdo que los mire una vez. [00:19:49] Speaker 2: I know that there was a table there, but in reference of them spending time there, I only remember seeing them one time there. [00:20:01] Speaker 3: You saw them there? [00:20:03] Speaker 2: ¿Usted les vio ahí? [00:20:04] Speaker 1: Sí, sí, sí los vi ahí. [00:20:05] Speaker 2: Yes, I did see them there. Why do you remember that? ¿Y por qué se acuerda eso? [00:20:10] Speaker 1: Oh, porque yo, mi cuñada vivía ahí y mi sobrina estaba pequeña. [00:20:20] Speaker 2: Because my sister-in-law lived there. My, my, my knees was still little. [00:20:25] Speaker 1: Yeah, and recuerdo que yo quería ver a mi sobrina así a lo, a lo lejos y yo recuerdo que, que los mire a ellos ahí. [00:20:34] Speaker 2: I remember that I wanted to see my knees right from far away and then I remember that I saw them back there. [00:20:41] Speaker 3: Back near the 1400 building where the dead end is? [00:20:46] Speaker 2: Cerca del edificio 1400 donde hay un, no hay salida ya. [00:20:52] Speaker 1: Si. [00:20:53] Speaker 2: Yes. [00:20:54] Speaker 3: And when you say you saw them, are you talking about, um, particularly young men from Guatemala who either lived there or worked at the Outback Steakhouse? [00:21:04] Speaker 2: Y cuando usted dice les vio a ellos, quiere decir, uh, personas jóvenes, eh, que son de Guatemala y que también solían trabajar en Outback. [00:21:18] Speaker 1: Uh, uh, nada más uno de ellos trabajó en Outback. [00:21:23] Speaker 2: Only one of them worked at Outback. [00:21:25] Speaker 1: Uh, uh, se llama César Ordoñez. [00:21:29] Speaker 2: His name is César Ordoñez. [00:21:34] Speaker 3: Do you remember what kind of car Miguel drove back in 2012? [00:21:41] Speaker 2: Se acuerda que tipo de carro manejaba en el dos mil doce? [00:21:48] Speaker 1: Ah, la última vez que, que yo vi a Miguel, ah, que él me dio rai fue como en el dos mil once que lo vi en Franklin que yo iba saliendo a estudiar. [00:22:00] Speaker 2: So, the last time that I saw Miguel, is when he gave me a ride on Franklin. It was, uh, in 2011 and I was coming out from, uh, my class. [00:22:16] Speaker 1: Traía un carro BMW, gris. He had, who? Traía un carro BMW, gris. [00:22:24] Speaker 2: He had a gray BMW. Where did he take you? ¿A dónde le llevó? [00:22:31] Speaker 1: Me llevó, me dejó allí por los apartamentos de los King Arms. [00:22:35] Speaker 2: He took me over close to the apartments of King's Arms, that's where I used to live. [00:22:44] Speaker 3: Do you remember telling law enforcement officers that he also gave you a ride back to the Willowbrook, Hawthorne at the View Apartments when you lived there? [00:22:53] Speaker 2: ¿Se acuerda haber contado a los oficiales que él también le llevó, ah, y manejó con usted a los departamentos Willowbrook, Hawthorne at the View? [00:23:06] Speaker 1: Si, ah, cuando yo salí a trabajar de Outback. [00:23:10] Speaker 2: Yes, when I was, ah, coming out of work, when I was at Outback. [00:23:17] Speaker 1: Me, me dio ride una o dos veces que recuerdo yo. [00:23:21] Speaker 2: He gave me a ride once or twice that I remember. [00:23:25] Speaker 1: Okay. [00:23:29] Speaker 2: Did you hang out with Miguel? ¿Y usted pasaba tiempo con Miguel? No. No. [00:23:36] Speaker 3: Why not? [00:23:39] Speaker 2: ¿Por qué no? [00:23:41] Speaker 1: Porque, nada más lo que lo relacionaba a mí con Miguel era su tío que está casado con mi hermana, pero... [00:23:51] Speaker 2: So, because the only thing that made us relate one to another was his uncle that was married with my sister. [00:24:05] Speaker 1: Nunca crecimos juntos. [00:24:07] Speaker 2: We never grew up together. [00:24:09] Speaker 1: Nunca tuve amistad con él en Guatemala, tampoco aquí. [00:24:14] Speaker 2: I was never friends with him in Guatemala and never, and either did we have one here. [00:24:22] Speaker 3: No. Okay. Do you remember your wife's sister spending time with him? [00:24:28] Speaker 2: ¿Se acuerda que la hermana de su esposa pasaba tiempo con él? [00:24:33] Speaker 1: Oí mencionar que, que como que si él le andaba hablando a ella, como tratando de que fuera su novia. No. [00:24:42] Speaker 2: I heard it mentioned as if he was trying to be a boyfriend to her. [00:24:50] Speaker 3: Elis, do you go out and party and drink with friends? [00:25:00] Speaker 2: Elis, ¿usted sale para celebrar y tener fiestas y tomar con amigos? [00:25:07] Speaker 1: No. No me gusta tomar. [00:25:09] Speaker 2: No, I don't like to drink. [00:25:11] Speaker 3: Do you remember telling law enforcement that you don't or didn't hang out with Miguel for the same reason your wife and her sister didn't hang out with him after a while? [00:25:23] Speaker 2: ¿Se acuerda haber dicho a los oficiales de orden público que no le gustaba salir con él por el mismo motivo que su esposa y la hermana no querían salir con él? [00:25:37] Speaker 1: No, no recuerdo. [00:25:38] Speaker 2: I don't remember. [00:25:39] Speaker ?: Okay. [00:25:43] Speaker 2: Do you remember if Miguel did drink when he was hanging out with Miguel? No recuerdo a usted, si es que Miguel tomaba cuando él salía con ella. [00:25:55] Speaker 1: Ah, pues nada más una vez a mi esposa me dijo que les había dado una cerveza a ella. [00:26:03] Speaker 2: Just one time, my wife told me that he had given her one beer a ella y a su hermana to her and her sister, pero yo nunca lo vi tomando en mi vida a Miguel. [00:26:17] Speaker 3: So you don't remember telling law enforcement that you didn't hang out with him because you didn't like to drink and he drank too much and did other things that you do not approve of. [00:26:31] Speaker 2: ¿No se acuerda haber dicho a los oficiales de orden público que usted no salía con él porque Miguel tomaba mucho y hacía otras cosas y usted no le gustaba? [00:26:44] Speaker 1: No recuerdo eso que yo le dije. [00:26:46] Speaker 2: Yes, I remember I said that. Okay. [00:26:48] Speaker 1: Porque yo escuchaba de que él tomaba y hacía otras cosas, pero yo nunca lo miré. [00:26:51] Speaker 2: Because I heard that he used to drink and do other things, but I never saw it. [00:27:03] Speaker 3: Do you also remember telling law enforcement officers that you felt fearful about testifying in this trial? [00:27:14] Speaker 2: Recuerda también haber dicho a los oficiales de orden público que usted tenía miedo de dar testimonio en este juicio. [00:27:26] Speaker 1: De los oficiales que me entrevistaron la primera vez. [00:27:31] Speaker 2: To the officers that interviewed me the first time. [00:27:35] Speaker 3: To them and others since then, yeah? [00:27:40] Speaker 1: To a ellos y a otros después de los primeros. Sí, sí, también, sí. Recuerdo que les dije que no me sentía cómodo. [00:27:48] Speaker 2: Yes, I did remember that I was not feeling comfortable. [00:27:52] Speaker 3: Yeah. Are you feeling comfortable now? [00:27:55] Speaker 2: ¿Se siente cómodo ahora? [00:27:57] Speaker 1: Me siento cómodo porque estoy diciendo la verdad. [00:28:01] Speaker 2: I feel comfortable because I'm telling the truth. What did you say? [00:28:05] Speaker 3: What do you remember saying about why you were fearful about testifying? What were you afraid of? [00:28:12] Speaker 2: ¿Y qué recuerda haber dicho usted de por qué tenía miedo de dar testimonio en este juicio? [00:28:22] Speaker 1: Ah, porque tengo mi familia, tengo mis hijas. [00:28:27] Speaker 2: Because I have a family, I have my daughters. [00:28:31] Speaker 1: Y yo no sé a qué clase de persona yo estoy enfrentando o estoy al frente. [00:28:39] Speaker 2: And I don't know what kind of person I'm in front of or facing. What do you mean? Sí. [00:28:49] Speaker 1: Es como que han habido personas que dicen que me vieron compartiendo tiempo con personas en esa mesa del picnic. [00:29:01] Speaker 2: It's because there's been people that have said that they saw me spending time with those people on that table at the picnic table. [00:29:13] Speaker 1: Y yo sé que no es verdad. [00:29:15] Speaker 2: And I know that is not true. [00:29:20] Speaker 3: Do you remember telling law enforcement that you were afraid because you are family with Miguel? And that you are all involved? And you are afraid of going back to Guatemala? [00:29:35] Speaker 2: And that part I do remember. And that part I do remember is... And that part I do remember is... Because we are involved as a family. Because we are involved as a family. Because we are involved as a family. And that part I do remember is... Because we are involved as a family. And you know what that is. And you know what that is. And they are involved as a family. And you know what that is. And they are involved as a family. And you know what that is. [00:29:51] Speaker ?: And they are involved as a family. [00:29:52] Speaker 1: And you know what that is. And they are involved as a family. And you know what that is. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. [00:29:57] Speaker 2: And you know what that is. And they are involved as a family. [00:29:59] Speaker 1: And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. [00:30:07] Speaker 2: And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. [00:30:11] Speaker 1: And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. [00:30:21] Speaker 2: And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. [00:30:29] Speaker ?: And they are involved as a family. [00:30:30] Speaker 3: And they are involved as a family. [00:30:39] Speaker 4: And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. [00:30:57] Speaker ?: And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. And they are involved as a family. [00:31:00] Speaker 4: And they are involved as a family. I will remind the jury that 30 minutes from now. We will take another break once again. As you are aware for the interpreter. Because she has to interpret. In order to interpret effectively. She has to have those breaks in between. And I will remind counsel also. Please be mindful that the interpreter is interpreting. Therefore, please remember not to speak too fast. All right. This is the way it remains for the State of North Carolina. Thank you, Your Honor. [00:31:38] Speaker 3: Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor. [00:31:40] Speaker ?: Thank you, Your Honor. [00:31:41] Speaker 3: Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor. Thank you, Your Honor. [00:31:44] Speaker 2: Thank you, Your Honor. Eldest, I just want to ask you about two more things. I want to ask you about two more things. I want to ask you about two more things. Okay. [00:31:49] Speaker 4: Okay. [00:31:50] Speaker 2: Okay. [00:31:51] Speaker 3: How did you learn about the death of Faith Hedgbeth? How did you learn about the death of Faith Hedgbeth? [00:31:55] Speaker 2: How did you learn about the death of Faith Hedgbeth? How did you learn about the death of Faith Hedgbeth? [00:31:59] Speaker 1: How did you learn about the death of Faith Hedgbeth? How did you learn about the death of Faith Hedgbeth? How did you learn about the death of Faith Hedgbeth? How did you learn about the death of Faith Hedgbeth? How did you learn about the death of Faith Hedgbeth? How did you learn about the death of Faith Hedgbeth? How did you learn about the death of Faith Hedgbeth? [00:32:06] Speaker 2: So I used to work at Alpha and when I was there Samantha arrived. [00:32:14] Speaker 1: Llegó y estaba llorando. [00:32:16] Speaker 2: She arrived and she was crying. [00:32:19] Speaker 1: Dijo que habían matado a su vecina. [00:32:21] Speaker 2: She said that her neighbor had been killed. [00:32:26] Speaker 1: La metieron a la oficina y eso fue todo lo que recuerdo. [00:32:31] Speaker 2: They took her to the office and that's all I remember. [00:32:37] Speaker 3: At that time Miguel was not working at the Outback, is that right? [00:32:41] Speaker 2: Y en esa fecha Miguel no trabajaba en Outback, ¿cierto? No, no trabajaba. No, he was not working. [00:32:47] Speaker 3: You said he worked there just for a few months back in 2010 when he first arrived. [00:32:51] Speaker 2: Usted dijo que él trabajó unos pocos meses en el 2010, cuando recién llegó. Yes. [00:32:59] Speaker 3: Did you talk about Faith's death with the other workers at the Outback? [00:33:04] Speaker 2: Y usted habló sobre la muerte de Faith con los otros trabajadores ahí en Outback? [00:33:10] Speaker 1: Hablar así, hablar de ella, no. Solo recuerdo de que… Mi primo William dijo, mataron a una muchacha ahí en los apartamentos donde tú vivías. [00:33:28] Speaker 2: I just remember that my cousin William said that they killed a girl at the apartments where you used to live. [00:33:38] Speaker 1: Y está peligroso. [00:33:40] Speaker 2: Y está peligroso. And it's dangerous. [00:33:43] Speaker 3: Ms. Fluvia, Miguel's mother did still work at the Outback at that time, is that right? [00:33:48] Speaker 2: Pero la señora Fluvia, la mamá de Miguel, sí trabajaba en esa fecha en Outback, ¿cierto? [00:33:56] Speaker 1: No recuerdo exactamente, pero creo que sí. [00:33:59] Speaker 2: I don't remember exactly, but I think so. [00:34:03] Speaker 3: You mentioned that the last time you talked to Ms. Fluvia was a few weeks ago, right? [00:34:09] Speaker 2: Usted mencionó que la última vez que habló con la señora Fluvia fue hace unas semanas atrás. [00:34:16] Speaker 1: Sí. [00:34:17] Speaker 2: Yes. And you spoke by phone. ¿Y hablaron por teléfono? [00:34:21] Speaker 1: Ella me llamó por teléfono. [00:34:22] Speaker 2: She called me on the phone. Why? ¿Por qué? [00:34:26] Speaker 1: Dijo que quería verme. [00:34:28] Speaker 2: She said she wanted to see me. [00:34:31] Speaker 1: Y hablar conmigo. [00:34:33] Speaker 2: And talk to me. And what did you do? ¿Y usted qué hizo? [00:34:37] Speaker 1: Me dije que estaba bien. [00:34:39] Speaker 2: I said it's fine. Did you see her again? ¿Y le vio entonces? [00:34:43] Speaker 1: Sí, sí, la miré. [00:34:44] Speaker 2: Yes, I did see her. And what did you talk about? ¿Y de qué hablaron? [00:34:49] Speaker 1: Ella me dijo de que, de que me iban a llamar a mí a testificar. [00:34:54] Speaker 2: She told me that I was gonna be called to testify. [00:34:58] Speaker 1: Y yo le dije que ni yo sabía. [00:35:01] Speaker 2: I told her, I don't even know. [00:35:04] Speaker 1: Y este, ella me dijo, si te llaman a, te pido de que, no te pido que hables a favor de mi hijo, pero habla con la verdad. [00:35:15] Speaker 2: Porque nunca han salido juntos, nunca han compartido nada, ni una carne asada. [00:35:28] Speaker 1: Porque nunca han salido juntos, nunca han compartido nada, ni una carne asada. [00:35:35] Speaker 2: Como para que tú dijeras algo malo de él. So that you could be saying something bad about him. [00:35:53] Speaker 3: Oh, so am I understanding, she told you to tell the truth if you testify. [00:35:57] Speaker 2: De lo que entendí, ella le dijo que, que si tiene que testificar, que diga la verdad. Exactamente. Exactly. [00:36:05] Speaker 3: And she told you that you didn't hang out with him. [00:36:08] Speaker 2: Y ella le dijo que ni siquiera salían juntos. [00:36:12] Speaker 1: Ajá, por, ajá, exacto. [00:36:15] Speaker 2: Ajá, exactly. [00:36:16] Speaker 1: Como para que yo dijera algo malo acerca de él, si yo nunca había salido con él. [00:36:23] Speaker 2: How can I say something bad about him if I had never spent time with him or gone out with him? [00:36:32] Speaker 3: Did I hear you say that she also told you that you had never gone to a cookout with him? [00:36:37] Speaker 2: Y le escuché decir que ella también le dijo que nunca ha ido a una carne asada. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. Uh-huh. [00:36:46] Speaker 3: Thank you so much, Eldes. I really appreciate you. No further questions, Your Honor. [00:36:52] Speaker 4: Cross-examination. There you are. Is this witness under subpoena? Yes, Your Honor. Are you asking that he be released? Yes, please. Fair to say no objection. Sir, you're released from your subpoena. [00:37:11] Speaker 2: You're free to go. Okay. [00:37:15] Speaker 4: Have a fantastic day. [00:37:17] Speaker 1: Okay. Gracias. Thank you. [00:37:20] Speaker ?: Thank you.