EXPOSED: Democratic socialist leaders GRILLED on radical new agenda

[0:00] DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS STARTING [0:01] TO LOOK AHEAD TO THE 2028 [0:03] PRESIDENTIAL RACE AFTER [0:04] VICTORIES IN THIS YEAR'S [0:06] CONGRESSIONAL PRIMARIES. [0:07] THEIR AGENDA INCLUDES GETTING [0:09] RID OF THE UNITED STATES [0:09] SENATE, LETTING CONGRESS CHOOSE [0:11] AN EXECUTIVE AND JUDICIARY TO [0:13] REPLACE THE PRESIDENT AND THE [0:15] SUPREME COURT, AMNESTY FOR ALL [0:18] IMMIGRANTS, ENDING DEPORTATIONS, [0:20] DEFUNDING THE DEPARTMENT OF WAR, [0:23] A WEALTH TAX, AND PASSING A GREEN [0:25] NEW DEAL AMONG OTHER ISSUES [0:28] THERE THAT YOU SEE UP ON THE [0:29] BOARD. [0:30] SO WITH THAT, WE BRING IN [0:31] GUSTAVO CORDILLO, CO-CHAIR OF THE [0:34] NEW YORK CITY DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS [0:35] OF AMERICA. [0:36] THANK YOU FOR JOINING US. [0:37] OBVIOUSLY IT'S A REALLY HOT TOPIC [0:38] RIGHT NOW. [0:39] THANK YOU FOR BEING HERE. [0:40] WE WERE JUST TALKING IN THE [0:41] BREAK AND WE WERE SAYING HELLO [0:43] TO EACH OTHER. [0:44] YOUR FAMILY CAME HERE FROM PERU, [0:46] REALLY IN THE MIDDLE OF THE HEAT [0:48] OF THE SHINING PATH. [0:50] THEY WERE MAUIST COMMUNIST [0:51] GORILLAS IN PERU. [0:53] SO WHY DID YOUR FAMILY COME TO [0:55] AMERICA? [0:56] THE ECONOMIC SITUATION IN SOUTH [0:58] AMERICA AND IN PERU WAS IN A [1:00] REALLY BAD PLACE. [1:02] BUT I THINK THAT MUCH OF WHAT WE [1:05] COULD SAY IS RESPONSIBLE FOR THAT [1:07] ACTUALLY WAS THE IMPOSITION OF [1:11] CAPITALISM AND AMERICAN [1:14] IMPERIALISM IN MANY CASES IS [1:16] ACTUALLY WHAT BRINGS IMMIGRANTS [1:18] TO THE U.S. [1:20] OUTSIDE, COMING OUT OF LATIN [1:21] AMERICA. [1:22] AND IN... [1:23] SO THEY COME HERE BECAUSE THEY [1:25] DON'T LIKE THE IMPOSITION OF [1:26] AMERICAN IMPERIALISM IN THE [1:27] COUNTRY THAT THEY'RE IN? [1:28] YES. [1:29] IN MANY COUNTRIES... [1:30] SO THEY COME HERE? [1:31] IN MANY COUNTRIES, YOU KNOW, [1:33] THERE HAVE BEEN UNDEMOCRATIC [1:35] COWS THAT HAVE DESTABILIZED [1:37] COUNTRIES AND THAT'S PUSHED [1:39] PEOPLE OUT. [1:40] OH. [1:41] WELL, YOU WOULD THINK THEY WOULD [1:42] WANT TO GO SOMEWHERE THAT WASN'T [1:43] IMPOSING THAT ON THEM IF THAT [1:44] WERE THE CASE. [1:45] BUT, YOU KNOW, IT'S INTERESTING [1:46] BECAUSE THE SHINING PATH, IF [1:47] YOU LOOK AT WHAT THEY WANTED, [1:48] THEY WANTED TO OVERTHROW THE [1:49] DEMOCRATIC INSTITUTIONS IN [1:50] PERU. [1:51] THEY WANTED TO ABOLISH [1:52] CAPITALISM IN PERU. [1:54] AND WE SEE SOME OF THOSE SAME [1:55] THREADS IN THE DSA IN TERMS OF [1:57] WHAT IT STANDS FOR. [1:58] AND ONE OF THE THINGS IS VERY [1:59] BASIC. [2:00] YOU KNOW, WE JUST CELEBRATED THE [2:01] 250th ANNIVERSITY OF THE [2:02] COUNTRY. [2:03] AND ONE OF THE MOST BASIC [2:04] THINGS IS ARTICLE ONE IN OUR [2:07] CONSTITUTION. [2:08] ARE YOU IN FAVOR OF ABOLISHING [2:09] ARTICLE ONE OF THE CONSTITUTION? [2:11] NO. [2:12] WE SUPPORT A DEMOCRATIC ROUTE TO [2:17] TRANSFORMATIVE CHANGE IN THE [2:19] UNITED STATES. [2:20] WE THINK THAT WE NEED TO PUT THE [2:21] WORKING CLASS BEFORE THE [2:23] BILLIONAIR CLASS. [2:24] SO YOU DON'T WANT TO ABOLISH [2:25] THE SENATE, THE UNITED STATES [2:26] SENATE? [2:27] BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT ARTICLE ONE [2:28] IS. [2:29] THE UNITED STATES SENATE IS AN [2:31] UNDEMOCRATIC INSTITUTION. [2:32] IT GIVES MORE REPRESENTATION TO [2:35] PEOPLE IN SMALLER STATES THAN TO [2:38] THE 30 MILLION PEOPLE IN [2:41] CALIFORNIA. [2:42] SO YOU'VE GOT THE HOUSE OF [2:43] REPRESENTATIVES, WHICH IS [2:44] POPULATION-DRIVEN, AND THEN [2:45] YOU'VE GOT THE SENATE. [2:46] SO EVERY STATE, IF YOU'RE A [2:47] SMALL STATE, YOU STILL GET TWO [2:48] SENATORS, EVEN THOUGH YOU ONLY [2:49] GET MAYBE ONE CONGRESSMAN, IN [2:51] ORDER TO MAKE ALL OF THE STATES [2:53] HAVE FAIR REPRESENTATION. [2:55] SO YOU SAY... [2:57] I'M JUST CONFUSED. [2:58] WHEN YOU ASK NORMAL [2:59] AMERICANS IF CONGRESS AND THE [3:02] SENATE AND OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM [3:03] IS WORKING FOR THEM, MOST [3:05] PEOPLE ARE VERY UNHAPPY WITH [3:06] THE POLITICAL SYSTEM AND THEY [3:08] SAY IT'S NOT WORKING FOR THEM. [3:09] WHEN WE THINK ABOUT THE 250TH [3:11] ANNIVERSARY OF THE UNITED [3:12] STATES AND WE THINK ABOUT OUR [3:14] PROUDEST MOMENTS IN U.S. [3:15] HISTORY, I THINK OF TIMES LIKE [3:17] WHEN ORDINARY PEOPLE ROSE UP [3:20] AND THEY CHANGED THE [3:21] CONSTITUTION TO ABOLISH [3:22] SLAVERY, TO GIVE WOMEN THE [3:24] RIGHT TO VOTE. [3:25] EVERYONE'S PROUD OF THAT. [3:26] THAT'S A NATIONWIDE PRIDE IN [3:28] THE COUNTRY. [3:29] BUT BACK IN THOSE MOMENTS, [3:30] THOSE WERE CONSIDERED [3:31] RADICAL MOVEMENTS BECAUSE [3:32] THOSE PEOPLE DARED TO SAY WE [3:34] NEED TRANSFORMATIVE CHANGE IN [3:36] THE UNITED STATES. [3:37] WE STRUGGLE TO BECOME A MORE [3:38] PERFECT UNION. [3:39] BUT I JUST WANT TO ASK YOU [3:40] AGAIN, DO YOU WANT TO ABOLISH [3:41] THE UNITED STATES SENATE? [3:42] BECAUSE YOU SAID YOU APPROVE OF [3:43] ARTICLE ONE, BUT THEN YOU [3:45] SAID YOU DIDN'T THINK THE [3:46] SENATE WORKS. [3:48] WE THINK THAT THE SENATE [3:50] SHOULD BE REFORMED, THAT WE [3:51] SHOULD HAVE A MORE DEMOCRATIC [3:52] GOVERNMENT SYSTEM. [3:54] BUT THAT'S A LONG-TERM CHANGE [3:56] THAT WE'RE SEEKING AND IN THE [3:58] SHORT-TERM WE'RE FOCUSED ON [3:59] ISSUES LIKE AFFORDABILITY, [4:00] LIKE FREEZING THE RENT, WHICH [4:02] WE'VE JUST DONE IN NEW YORK, [4:04] LIKE CREATING A UNIVERSAL [4:05] CHILD CARE SYSTEM, WHICH WE'RE [4:06] ALSO TAKING STEPS TOWARD [4:07] DOING, LIKE FIXING OUR ENERGY [4:09] GRID. [4:10] IN 2023 HERE IN NEW YORK, WE [4:11] PASSED THE BUILD PUBLIC [4:12] RENEWABLES ACT, WHICH WOULD [4:13] CREATE PUBLICLY OWNED [4:14] RENEWABLE ENERGY TO HAVE A [4:15] MORE RELIABLE, CHEAPER, [4:17] CLEANER ENERGY GRID. [4:18] THESE ARE OUR IMMEDIATE-TERM [4:19] DEMANDS. [4:20] WE DO HAVE A LONG-TERM [4:21] HORIZON WHERE WE DO WANT TO [4:23] DEMOCRATIZE OUR GOVERNMENT. [4:24] BUT IN THE SHORT-TERM, WE'RE [4:25] FOCUSED ON AFFORDABILITY. [4:26] WE'RE FOCUSED ON A WORKING [4:27] CLASS ECONOMIC AGENDA. [4:28] THE QUESTION IS, HOW DOES [4:29] THE GOVERNMENT BECOME MORE [4:30] DEMOCRATIZED IF THE GOVERNMENT [4:32] TAKES OVER MORE OF THE POWER? [4:34] SO, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE IN NEW [4:35] YORK, IF YOU HAVE GOVERNMENT [4:36] OWNED GROCERY STORES, RIGHT? [4:38] AND THAT WAS WHAT MAMDANI [4:40] PROMISED. [4:41] I KNOW YOU WERE SUPPORTIVE OF [4:42] HIS POPULATION. [4:43] SO, FOR EXAMPLE, HERE IN NEW YORK, [4:45] THEY'RE GOING TO BUILD A [4:47] GROCERY STORE, RIGHT? [4:48] AND THAT WAS WHAT MAMDANI [4:50] PROMISED. [4:51] I KNOW YOU WERE SUPPORTIVE OF [4:53] HIS ELECTION, AND I [4:55] INTERVIEWED HIM HERE. [4:56] SO, THEY'RE LIKE BREAKING [4:58] GROUND ON ONE GROCERY STORE [4:59] SO FAR. [5:00] IT'S GOING TO COST $30 MILLION [5:02] TO BUILD A GROCERY STORE. [5:03] IN WHAT WORLD DOES IT MAKE SENSE [5:05] TO BUILD A $30 MILLION GROCERY [5:07] STORE AND PUT COMPETITIVE [5:09] PRESSURE ON THE BODEGAS THAT ARE [5:10] IN THE NEIGHBORHOOD? [5:11] I THINK THAT WHAT WE SAW IN [5:13] THE MAYORAL CAMPAIGN IS THE [5:16] MAYOR WAS ABLE TO BUILD A [5:17] MOVEMENT THAT INSPIRED PEOPLE [5:19] TO BELIEVE THAT WE COULD HAVE [5:20] A GOVERNMENT THAT WORKS FOR [5:21] ORDINARY PEOPLE, THAT IS [5:23] ACTUALLY RESPONSIVE TO THE [5:24] WORKING CLASS. [5:25] THE INSPIRATION IS GREAT, [5:26] BUT IF YOU'RE THE BODEGA [5:27] OWNER, HOW WOULD YOU FEEL? [5:28] IF THE GOVERNMENT OPENED A [5:30] BIG GROCERY STORE RIGHT NEXT [5:31] TO YOUR BODEGA, HOW WOULD YOU [5:34] FEEL? [5:35] IF ONE PUBLICLY-OWNED [5:36] GROCERY STORE THAT BRINGS [5:37] PRICES DOWN IN THE [5:38] NEIGHBORHOOD IS ENOUGH TO PUT [5:40] SOMEONE OUT OF BUSINESS, THEN [5:42] MAYBE THEY SHOULDN'T HAVE BEEN [5:43] IN THAT BUSINESS IN THE [5:44] FIRST PLACE. [5:45] INTERESTING. [5:48] LET'S PLAY, YOU KNOW, LET'S [5:51] LOOK AT THE BIG PICTURE FOR A [5:52] SECOND HERE AND PLAY THIS FROM [5:54] MARCO RUBIO BECAUSE HIS FAMILY [5:56] CAME FROM CUBA. [5:57] YOU WERE TALKING ABOUT YOUR [5:58] FAMILY COMING FROM PERU. [5:59] AND HE WANTS NOTHING OF ANY [6:01] SOCIALIST, DEMOCRATIC [6:02] SOCIALIST, WHATEVER YOU WANT [6:03] TO CALL IT, COMMUNIST PRESENCE [6:05] IN THE UNITED STATES. [6:06] AND HE MAY BE RUNNING AGAINST [6:07] ONE OF YOUR CANDIDATES [6:08] POTENTIALLY IN 2028. [6:09] SO LET'S TAKE A LOOK. [6:13] ONE OF THE CRITICISMS YOU [6:14] SOMETIMES HEAR OF COMMUNISM, [6:16] FOR EXAMPLE, IS THAT IT [6:17] SOUNDS GOOD IN THEORY, BUT IT [6:18] NEVER WORKS IN PRACTICE. [6:20] THAT'S ACTUALLY NOT TRUE. [6:23] COMMUNISM DOES NOT SOUND GOOD [6:25] IN THEORY. [6:26] THE WORLD IT ENVISIONS FOR ALL [6:28] OF US IS SMALL, FLAT, GRAY, [6:32] LEVELLED OF ALL EXCEPTION, [6:34] DRAINED OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND [6:36] NOBLE IN THE HUMAN SOUL. [6:37] WHAT'S YOUR RESPONSE TO [6:40] THAT? [6:41] I WOULD SAY THAT WE ARE [6:42] LOOKING TO, WHEN WE LOOK AT [6:45] INSPIRATION FOR GOVERNMENTS [6:47] ABROAD, WE'RE LOOKING AT [6:48] COUNTRIES LIKE NORWAY, SWEDEN, [6:50] CITIES LIKE VIENA THAT HAVE [6:52] ACTUALLY CREATED AFFORDABLE [6:54] HOUSING FOR ALL UNDER SOCIALIST [6:56] GOVERNMENTS. [6:57] ALL OF THEM HAVE VERY ACTIVE [6:58] CAPITALISM HAPPENING IN THOSE [7:00] COUNTRIES, THOUGH. [7:01] THEY HAVE BIG TECHNOLOGY [7:02] INVESTMENTS, VERY BIG [7:03] COMPANIES THAT DO WELL. [7:05] WE ARE STILL OPERATING IN [7:07] CAPITALISM. [7:08] WE'RE TRYING TO PASS [7:10] TRANSFORMATIVE REFORMS TO [7:12] CREATE AN ECONOMY THAT WILL [7:14] WORK FOR THE WORKING CLASS. [7:16] AND WE'VE SEEN THAT HAPPEN [7:17] ALREADY IN HISTORY IN SWEDEN [7:19] AND IN NORWAY. [7:20] AND YET, IN THOSE COUNTRIES, [7:22] A VERY LARGE PORTION OF THE [7:23] ECONOMY IS PUBLICALLY OWNED. [7:26] THAT'S WHAT, THAT'S A SYSTEM [7:28] THAT WE WANT TO BRING, FOR [7:29] EXAMPLE, TO THE ELECTRICITY [7:30] SYSTEM HERE IN THE UNITED [7:31] STATES. [7:32] WE THINK IT WOULD BE BETTER [7:34] IF THE GOVERNMENT HAD A [7:35] BIGGER ROLE IN OPERATING THE [7:37] GRID. [7:38] AND ACTUALLY, MOST VOTERS [7:39] AGREE WITH THAT. [7:40] 25% OF THE ENERGY GENERATION [7:42] HERE IN NEW YORK IS [7:43] PUBLICLY OWNED. [7:44] IT'S THE MOST AFFORDABLE [7:45] ENERGY. [7:46] WELL, THERE'S ALWAYS BEEN [7:47] A NEW YORK POWER AUTHORITY. [7:48] IN FACT, MY GRANDFATHER [7:49] SERVED ON THE NEW YORK POWER [7:50] AUTHORITY MANY YEARS AGO. [7:52] AND SO THERE IS A PUBLIC [7:53] ROLE, I THINK, FOR THAT. [7:55] BUT THEN YOU LOOK AT THESE [7:56] WINDFARM PROJECTS THAT WERE [8:01] SO, YOU KNOW, COMPLETELY [8:02] UNAFFORDABLE. [8:03] AND THEY BASICALLY HAD TO SCRAP [8:04] ALL OF THESE WINDFARMS BECAUSE [8:05] THEY COULDN'T AFFORD TO BUILD [8:06] THEM. [8:07] AND ALSO BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T [8:08] GO THROUGH THE ENVIRONMENTAL [8:09] PROCESS TO PROVE THAT THEY [8:10] WEREN'T GOING TO DAMAGE THE [8:11] OCEAN. [8:12] THOSE WINDFARMS WERE BEING [8:13] BUILT BY PRIVATE DEVELOPERS [8:15] WHO NEED A PROFIT. [8:17] AND IT'S WHEN WE'RE GIVING [8:19] PRIVATE LARGE DEVELOPERS AN [8:22] INCREASING LARGE SHARE FOR [8:23] EVERY PROJECT. [8:24] DON'T YOU THINK THAT THESE [8:26] BUILDERS HAVE EXPERTISE AND [8:28] UNDERSTANDING OF THE BUSINESS [8:29] OF IT? [8:30] LIKE, WHAT PART OF THE [8:32] GOVERNMENT IS REALLY AWESOME [8:34] AT CREATING A VERY EFFICIENT [8:36] WELL-RUN INDUSTRY OR BUSINESS? [8:38] TELL ME, CAN YOU POINT TO [8:39] ANYTHING? [8:40] I THINK THE NEW YORK POWER [8:41] AUTHORITY, YOU NAMED IT, IS [8:43] SUCH A WELL-RUN AGENCY THAT [8:46] MANAGES LARGE SCALE GENERATION [8:48] IN NEW YORK CITY. [8:49] OUR WATER IS MUNICIPALLY RUN. [8:51] IT'S SOME OF THE BEST WATER IN [8:53] THE COUNTRY. [8:54] I DON'T THINK THAT THESE [8:56] COUNTRIES HAVE BEEN IN PLACE [8:57] FOR DECADES, AS I JUST POINTED [8:58] OUT. [8:59] THE QUESTION OF WHETHER OR NOT [9:00] YOU WANT A LARGER ROLE FOR THE [9:01] GOVERNMENT IS ONE OF THE BIG [9:02] QUESTIONS HERE. [9:03] LET'S TAKE A LOOK AT THE [9:04] HOMELESS ENCAMPMENT THAT HAS [9:06] JUST SPRUNG UP ALONG WEST 45TH [9:07] STREET. [9:08] THIS IS AFTER MAYOR MOM DONNY IS [9:09] IN OFFICE. [9:10] HE DOESN'T WANT TO REMOVE ANY [9:11] HOMELESS PEOPLE FROM THE [9:12] STREETS. [9:13] IT'S CAUSING A LOT OF PROBLEMS [9:14] FOR THE SMALL BUSINESS OWNERS [9:16] THAT TRY TO HAVE A COMPANY A [9:18] BUSINESS ALONG THAT ROUTE. [9:20] WHAT DO YOU THINK OF THIS WHEN [9:22] YOU LOOK AT THIS SQUALOR IN [9:23] NEW YORK CITY? [9:24] I THINK IT'S A HUGE CRISIS. [9:26] AND IT'S BEEN AROUND SINCE [9:28] CAPITALISTS HAVE BEEN MAYORS FOR [9:29] DECADES. [9:30] NOT LIKE THAT IT HASN'T. [9:32] YES, IT HAS. [9:33] I'VE BEEN HERE FOR A VERY LONG [9:36] TIME AND THESE THINGS COME AND [9:37] GO. [9:38] MAYOR ADAMS ACTUALLY REMOVED THE [9:39] HOMELESS ENCAMPMENTS FROM THE [9:41] STREETS BECAUSE THEY'RE NOT [9:42] SAFE FOR THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE [9:43] THERE AND THEY'RE NOT SAFE FOR [9:44] THE PEOPLE WHO LIVE AROUND [9:45] THEM. [9:46] THE PROBLEM WE'RE FACING IN OUR [9:47] HOUSING SYSTEM IS THAT WE TALK [9:50] ABOUT TENANTS AND WE SAY THEY [9:52] HAVE TO PULL THEMSELVES UP BY [9:55] THEIR BOOTSTRAPS. [9:56] THEY HAVE TO BE RESPONSIBLE [9:57] FINANCIALLY. [9:58] BUT WHEN WE LOOK AT THE [10:00] LANDLORDS, WE DON'T USE THOSE [10:03] SAME STANDARDS. [10:04] LANDLORDS IN NEW YORK HAVE BEEN [10:06] MAKING A 12% RETURN ON THEIR [10:08] INVESTMENT FOR ON AVERAGE. [10:10] HOW MUCH SHOULD THEY MAKE? [10:11] WHAT'S FAIR FOR THE LANDLORD TO [10:12] MAKE IF YOU DON'T LIKE 12? [10:13] THEY'RE COMPLAINING THAT 12 IS [10:15] NOT ENOUGH AND WE DON'T THINK [10:17] THAT ANYONE SHOULD HAVE A [10:18] CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DOUBLE [10:20] DIGIT RETURNS ON THEIR [10:21] INVESTMENT. [10:22] THAT'S WHY WE'VE IMPLEMENTED. [10:23] NO ONE SHOULD HAVE A RIGHT TO A [10:24] DOUBLE DIGIT RETURN ON THEIR [10:26] INVESTMENT. [10:27] WHAT WE SEE IS WHEN WE IMPLEMENT [10:30] A RENT FREEZE, WE HAVE LANDLORDS [10:32] WHO ARE CRYING THAT THE GOVERNMENT [10:34] IS GOING TO PUT THEM OUT OF [10:35] BUSINESS. [10:36] THEY'RE TRYING TO RUN A [10:37] BUSINESS. [10:38] THEY'RE TRYING TO DO IT [10:39] EFFECTIVELY. [10:40] ARE ALL LANDLORDS PERFECT? [10:42] ARE SOME LANDLORDS LOWSY? [10:44] OF COURSE THEY ARE. [10:46] BUT I JUST THINK THAT THE IDEA [10:50] THAT NO ONE SHOULD MAKE A DOUBLE [10:53] DIGIT PROFIT IS THE ANTITHESIS OF [10:56] THE DESIRE TO LIKE YOU CAN BE [10:58] ANYTHING YOU WANT TO BE IN NEW [10:59] YORK. [11:00] I ACTUALLY, AND THIS GOES TO AN [11:02] ISSUE OF SOMETHING THAT YOU [11:03] MENTIONED. [11:04] YOU CALLED THE POLICE [11:05] COMMISSIONER OF A SKY AND [11:07] BILLIONAIRE FAMILY, THE TISH [11:09] FAMILY, JESSICA TISH. [11:10] AND I JUST WANT TO, YOU KNOW, [11:12] SHE'S SERVING THE CITY. [11:13] OBVIOUSLY, SHE DOESN'T NEED TO [11:14] WORK. [11:15] SHE COMES FROM A VERY [11:17] SUCCESSFUL FAMILY. [11:18] THEY WERE IMMIGRANTS FROM [11:20] UKRAINE AND POLAND. [11:21] AND THEY BOUGHT A RUNDOWN HOTEL [11:23] IN NEW JERSEY, MANAGED TO TURN [11:24] IT AROUND, MANAGED TO MAKE A [11:25] PROFIT ON IT, MANAGED TO MAKE [11:26] A BUSINESS, AND THEY BECAME [11:27] VERY SUCCESSFUL. [11:28] BUT SHE CHOOSES TO OVERSEE THE [11:29] POLICE CODE. [11:30] AND I DID AN INTERVIEW THE OTHER [11:32] DAY, JUST IN TERMS OF [11:33] DEFUNDING POLICE, WITH TWO [11:35] HERO POLICE OFFICERS WHO SAVED A [11:38] WOMAN WHO WANTED TO TAKE HER OWN [11:39] LIFE ON THE BROOKLYN BRIDGE. [11:40] AND IT MADE ME THINK ABOUT THIS [11:42] ISSUE OF, WELL, WE NEED MORE [11:44] MENTAL HEALTH PROFESSIONALS THAN [11:45] WE DO COPS AND WE SHOULD HAVE [11:46] FEWER COPS. [11:47] AND I JUST WANT TO PLAY THIS [11:49] QUICK SOUND BITE FOR YOU AND [11:50] GET YOUR REACTION TO IT. [11:53] HIS FIRST JOB WAS FLIPPING [11:55] BURGERS AT A JACK IN THE BOX [11:57] BECAUSE HE NEEDED A JOB TO GET [11:59] AN APARTMENT, PUT A ROOF WHERE [12:00] OUR HEADS. [12:01] HE SOLD MEN'S CLOTHING AT THE [12:03] MEN'S DEPARTMENT AT J.C.PENNY'S. [12:05] I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE [12:07] MEN'S DEPARTMENT. [12:08] I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE [12:09] MEN'S DEPARTMENT. [12:10] I WANT TO TAKE A LOOK AT THE [12:11] GENERAL MOTORS. [12:12] AND LOOK AT WHERE I AM NOW. [12:14] MY BROTHER IS AN ER DOCTOR. [12:15] MY SISTER IS A PSYCHOLOGIST AT [12:16] THE CLEVELAND CLINIC. [12:17] LOOK AT WHERE WE ARE NOW IN JUST [12:19] ONE GENERATION. [12:20] THAT WAS ANOTHER EXAMPLE THAT I [12:21] HAVE. [12:22] SO WE'LL SWITCH GEARS FOR A [12:23] SECOND. [12:24] THAT'S AISHHA HASME. [12:25] HER FAMILY IMMIGRATED FROM [12:26] PAKISTAN. [12:27] HER FATHER FLIPPED HAMBURGERS AND [12:28] THEY BECAME SUCCESSFUL. [12:29] IS THAT YOUR IDEA OF THE [12:30] AMERICAN DREAM? [12:31] YOU KNOW, THIS IS, YOU'RE [12:33] DESCRIBING ACTUALLY WHAT MY [12:34] PARENTS DID WHEN THEY MOVED [12:35] HERE. [12:36] WONDERFUL. [12:37] MY DAD, HIS FIRST JOB IN [12:38] THE UNITED STATES WAS WORKING [12:39] AT WENDY'S. [12:40] MY MOM'S FIRST JOB WAS A [12:41] HOUSE CLEANER. [12:42] AND THEY DID MAKE A LIVING FOR [12:43] THEMSELVES AND THEY HAD [12:45] SUCCESS. [12:47] AT THE SAME TIME, I THINK THAT [12:49] THEY'RE AN EXCEPTION. [12:50] WHEN I SEE THE PEOPLE OF MY [12:52] GENERATION, MY FRIENDS, [12:54] THEY FEEL LIKE THEY CAN'T [12:56] AFFORD TO HAVE A FAMILY ANYMORE [12:58] BECAUSE THE PRICES HAVE [13:00] SKYROCKETED SO MUCH. [13:01] NEW YORK CITY HAS BECOME SUCH A [13:03] PLAYGROUND FOR THE RICH THAT [13:04] YOUNG PEOPLE, THEY FEEL LIKE [13:06] THEY CAN'T LIVE HERE AND HAVE [13:08] BABIES ANYMORE. [13:09] THAT'S WHY WE'RE [13:10] IMPLEMENTING... [13:11] THE EARLY IMMIGRANTS HAD [13:12] LIKE EIGHT BABIES IN A [13:13] TENEMENT APARTMENT IN NEW YORK. [13:15] YOU KNOW, THEY DIDN'T LIKE [13:16] THINK ABOUT WHETHER OR NOT [13:17] THEY COULD AFFORD EIGHT [13:18] BABIES. [13:19] THEY WERE LIKE, OKAY, WE'RE [13:20] JUST GOING TO EMBRACE LIFE [13:21] AND WE'RE GOING TO HAVE A BIG [13:22] FAMILY AND WE'RE GOING TO FIGURE [13:23] OUT A WAY TO MAKE THIS WORK. [13:25] WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THAT? [13:26] I DON'T THINK THAT [13:27] RETURNING TO TENEMENT [13:28] SQUALOR IS ANY BASIS FOR A [13:30] POLITICAL AGENDA. [13:31] I'M NOT SUGGESTING [13:32] PEOPLE SHOULD. [13:33] I'M JUST SAYING THAT THAT'S [13:34] WHAT HAPPENED, YOU KNOW? [13:35] AND THEN THEY BECAME... [13:36] THE GENERATIONS BECAME MORE [13:37] AND MORE SUCCESSFUL OVER TIME. [13:38] I THINK THAT WHAT'S [13:39] HAPPENING NOW IS PEOPLE ARE [13:40] STRUGGLING AGAINST THE [13:41] ECONOMIC REALITY. [13:42] THEY'RE COMING TOGETHER AND [13:43] THEY'RE ORGANIZING FOR A [13:44] NEW POLITICAL AND ECONOMIC [13:45] SYSTEM. [13:46] WE'RE GOING TO BE WATCHING [13:47] THE PROGRESS OF YOUR GROUP, [13:49] THE DSA, AND YOU HAVE SOME BIG [13:51] WINDS IN RECENT PRIMARIES. [13:52] IT'S A VERY INTERESTING DEBATE [13:53] TO HAVE ABOUT WHAT MAKES THIS [13:55] COUNTRY TICK AND WHO WE ARE. [13:57] SO I THANK YOU VERY MUCH FOR [13:58] JOINING ME. [13:59] THANKS, GUSTAVO. [14:00] GOOD TO HAVE YOU WITH US TODAY. [14:01] DEMOCRAT VOICE IS PUSHING [14:02] BACK ON THE GROWING INFLUENCE [14:03] OF THE DEMOCRATIC SOCIALIST [14:04] CANDIDATES THEY SAY ARE [14:06] ULTIMATELY GOING TO HURT THE [14:07] DEMOCRAT PARTY. [14:08] SO LET'S TALK ABOUT IT WITH [14:10] THE NATIONAL CO-CHAIR OF THE [14:11] DEMOCRATIC SOCIALISTS OF [14:12] AMERICA, MEGAN ROMER. [14:14] MEGAN, WELCOME TO THE SHOW. [14:15] THANKS SO MUCH FOR HAVING ME, [14:17] SHAMMON. [14:18] OKAY, SO THERE'S THIS GROWING [14:19] CONVERSATION ABOUT WHETHER YOU [14:20] CAN EXIST WITHIN THE PARTY, [14:22] WHETHER YOU WANT TO UPEND IT [14:23] FOR YOUR OWN PURPOSES, A [14:24] TOTALLY DIFFERENT PLATFORM. [14:25] THE DAILY ECONOMY QUOTES YOU [14:27] SAYING THIS AT A DSA CONVENTION [14:28] LAST YEAR. [14:29] WE WILL WIN BY MAKING [14:31] CONDITIONS SO INTOLERABLE FOR [14:33] THE RULING CLASS THAT THEY [14:34] WOULD RATHER GIVE IN TO OUR [14:35] DEMANDS THAN CONTINUE TO LIVE [14:37] WITH THE DISTURBANCE WE CAUSE [14:38] UNTIL WE ARE ABLE TO FULLY [14:40] SEIZE POWER OURSELVES. [14:42] IS THAT AIMED AT THE [14:43] DEMOCRAT PARTY? [14:44] IT'S AIMED AT, IT'S AIMED [14:48] FROM THE WORKING CLASS TO THE [14:50] RULING CLASS. [14:51] SO THE TWO-PARTY DUOPOLY, THE [14:53] TWO CORPORATE PARTIES, IT IS [14:55] AIMED AT BOTH OF THEM, AND IT [14:57] COMES FROM THE WORKING CLASS. [14:59] SO SHOULD VAN JONES AND [15:00] RAM EMANUEL AND JAMES CARVILLE [15:02] AND ALL OF THE ESTABLISHMENT [15:03] DEMOCRATS BE WORRIED ABOUT [15:05] THE VOTERS AND ABOUT WHAT THE [15:07] VOTERS THINK AND ABOUT WHAT THE [15:10] CONSTITUENCY THINKS. [15:11] AND RIGHT NOW, RIGHT NOW, THEY [15:13] HAVE NOT BEEN DELIVERING AND [15:14] OUR CANDIDATES ARE AND HAVE [15:16] BEEN, AND IT'S RESONATING WITH [15:17] VOTERS. [15:18] SO JAMIE HARRISON, WHO WAS THE [15:20] DNC CHAIR, AFTER YOU GUYS HAD [15:22] SUCH A BIG NIGHT IN NEW YORK [15:23] CITY AND KNOCKING OFF SOME OF [15:24] THOSE INCUMBENTS AND HAVING [15:26] SUCCESS WITH YOUR CANDIDATES [15:27] IN THE CONGRESSIONAL PRIMARIES, [15:28] HE SAID, IF YOU HATE THE [15:30] DEMOCRAT DEMOCRAT PARTY, THEN [15:31] DON'T RUN FOR OUR [15:32] NOMINATIONS. [15:33] DON'T RUN FOR OUR [15:36] NOMINATIONS. [15:37] DON'T USE OUR RESOURCES. [15:38] DON'T RELY ON OUR [15:39] VOLUNTEERS. [15:40] DON'T USE OUR INFRASTRUCTURE. [15:41] FOCUS ON BUILDING THE PARTY [15:42] YOU ACTUALLY SUPPORT. [15:43] OTHER DEMOCRATS OUT THERE [15:44] SAYING THIS IS A SEPARATE [15:46] PARTY, THE DSA, YOU DON'T [15:47] BELONG WITHIN THE PARTY. [15:48] HOW DO YOU RESPOND TO HIS [15:49] STATEMENTS THERE? [15:50] YEAH, I MEAN, THE TWO [15:52] PARTIES HAVE OVER YEARS AND [15:54] DECADES CREATED A SYSTEM [15:56] WHERE BALLOT LINE ACCESS IS [15:57] EXTREMELY DIFFICULT FOR [15:58] THIRD PARTIES. [15:59] I ALSO HAVE BEEN TOLD A LOT OF [16:01] TIMES BY DEMOCRATS DON'T VOTE [16:02] THIRD PARTY, IT'S WASTING YOUR [16:03] VOTE. [16:04] SO WE RUN ON THE DEMOCRATIC [16:05] BALLOT LINE WHERE IT MAKES [16:06] SENSE. [16:07] WE RUN INDEPENDENCE SOMETIMES [16:08] WHERE THAT IS A VIABLE [16:10] POSSIBILITY, BUT IT'S A BALLOT [16:12] LINE. [16:13] AND WHAT MATTERS IS WHAT THE [16:14] VOTERS THINK AND THE VOTERS [16:16] ARE OVERWHELMINGLY CHOOSING [16:18] OUR CANDIDATES. [16:19] THEY CERTAINLY DID IN [16:20] NEW YORK AND OTHER PLACE, [16:21] COLORADO AND OTHERS. [16:22] IT'S NOT JUST A BIG CITY [16:24] PHENOMENON OR JUST A BLUE [16:26] COASTAL PHENOMENON. [16:27] OKAY, SO WE'RE GOING TO PUT [16:28] UP ON THE SCREEN A FEW OF THE [16:29] THINGS THAT ARE PART OF YOUR [16:30] PLATFORM. [16:31] AND I WANT TO ASK YOU, JUST [16:32] GIVE ME SORT OF A TRUE OR [16:33] FALSE ON THESE. [16:34] ABOLISH THE SENATE. [16:37] TRUE. [16:38] OKAY. [16:39] REPLACE THE PRESIDENCY AND [16:40] SUPREME COURT AS WE NOW [16:41] KNOW THEM. [16:44] YEP. [16:45] ABOLISH ICE. [16:47] ABSOLUTELY. [16:48] ABOLISH BORDERS AND GIVE [16:49] AMNESTY TO ANYONE CURRENTLY [16:50] IN THE U.S. [16:51] ILLEGALLY. [16:53] AS A LONG-TERM PLAN. [16:54] YEP. [16:55] DEFUND THE PENTAGON. [16:58] ABSOLUTELY. [16:59] ABOLISH PRISONS, AT LEAST [17:00] IN LARGE PART. [17:01] YEAH. [17:04] AGAIN, AS PART OF A LONG-TERM [17:05] PROGRAM, YEAH. [17:06] OKAY. [17:07] SO NO PRISONS. [17:08] GOVERNMENT OR PUBLIC OWNERSHIP [17:09] OF MOST LARGE CORPORATIONS. [17:11] YEAH. [17:13] ABSOLUTELY. [17:14] OKAY. [17:15] SO THEN LET'S GO BACK THROUGH [17:16] SOME OF THOSE THEN. [17:17] ABOLISH THE SENATE. [17:18] THERE ARE PEOPLE WHO ARE IN [17:19] THE SENATE NOW WHO ARE VERY [17:20] SUPPORTIVE OF DSA. [17:21] THEY LOSE THEIR SEATS? [17:25] WELL, THE SENATE IS AN [17:28] ANACHRONISTIC INSTITUTION. [17:29] IT COMES FROM THE BRITISH HOUSE [17:31] OF LORDS. [17:32] IT IS MADE TO PROTECT POWER FOR, [17:35] YOU KNOW, THE SENATE WAS PART [17:37] OF THE SYSTEM THAT WAS MADE TO [17:40] MAKE SURE THAT THE PEOPLE DIDN'T [17:42] HAVE TOO MUCH OF A SAY. [17:43] SO WE WANT TO EXPAND CONGRESS [17:45] SIGNIFICANTLY BUT MAKE IT A [17:46] UNICAMERAL LEGISLATURE. [17:47] OKAY. [17:48] AND WITHOUT THE PRESIDENCY AND [17:49] SUPREME COURT TO ABOLISH ICE, [17:50] WOULD THERE BE ANY ENFORCEMENT [17:52] OF IMMIGRATION LAWS OR WITH [17:53] ABOLISHING THE BORDER, THERE'S [17:54] WE'RE NOT ENFORCING IMMIGRATION [17:56] LAW AS THEY GO AWAY? [17:57] YEAH. [18:00] SO, AGAIN, THIS IS PART OF THIS [18:01] LONGER-TERM PLAN. [18:02] AND PART OF IT INCLUDES... [18:03] BUT IF YOU CAN GET THERE? [18:04] YEAH. [18:05] I MEAN, IF WE CAN GET TO THE [18:07] PLACE WHERE THE U.S. IS NOT [18:08] DESTABILIZING COUNTRIES IN ORDER [18:11] TO MINE THEM FOR RESOURCES, [18:13] THERE WILL BE SIGNIFICANTLY LESS [18:15] MIGRATION. [18:16] WHAT DO YOU SAY TO THOSE, THOUGH, [18:17] THAT THAT WOULD POTENTIALLY [18:18] DESTABILIZE THE U.S.? [18:19] BECAUSE THERE'S ONLY SO MUCH [18:20] THE ECONOMY CAN BEAR. [18:21] AND WHEN YOU HAVE A FLOOD OF [18:27] BORDERS AND THERE'S NO [18:29] ENFORCEMENT AT ALL? [18:30] WELL, WE'RE NOT SAYING OPEN THE [18:32] BORDERS TOMORROW. [18:33] WE'RE SAYING REBUILD AN ECONOMY [18:35] AND A SOCIETY THAT WORKS FOR [18:36] EVERYONE. [18:37] AND THE OPEN BORDERS IS PART OF A [18:40] LONGER-TERM INTERNATIONAL PLAN [18:42] THAT INVOLVES US STOPPING [18:43] DESTABILIZING COUNTRIES. [18:45] MOST PEOPLE WHO ARE COMING TO [18:46] THIS COUNTRY ARE COMING AS [18:47] ECONOMIC REFUGEES. [18:48] AND WE DESTABILIZED THEIR [18:50] COUNTRY. [18:51] WE DID THAT. [18:52] WELL, A LOT OF, YOU KNOW, IF [18:53] YOU LOOK AT DATA, THE CENTER [18:55] FOR IMMIGRATION STUDIES SAYS [18:57] RIGHT NOW THE PEOPLE, THE [18:58] HOUSEHOLDS HERE IN THE U.S. [18:59] THAT ARE HEADED UP BY PEOPLE [19:00] WHO ARE HERE ILLEGALLY, NEARLY [19:01] 61% OF THEM ARE ON SOME TYPE [19:04] OF GOVERNMENT OR WELFARE [19:05] PROGRAM HERE IN THE U.S. [19:07] CAN WE AFFORD TO DO THAT? [19:08] I MEAN, AT SOME POINT YOU RUN [19:10] OUT OF RESOURCES. [19:11] WELL, RIGHT NOW WE MAKE IT [19:13] VERY DIFFICULT FOR PEOPLE TO [19:14] PARTICIPATE IN SOCIETY IN SUCH [19:17] A WAY THAT THEY CAN AVOID USING [19:20] SERVICES. [19:21] SO WE WANT PEOPLE TO BE ABLE TO [19:23] WORK AND LIVE AND GO TO SCHOOL [19:25] AND ACTUALLY PARTICIPATE, [19:27] WHICH MEANS CONTRIBUTING TO [19:28] SOCIETY AND ALSO GETTING WHAT [19:31] THEY NEED FROM SOCIETY. [19:32] IT'S A COLLECTIVE CHOICE WE [19:33] CAN ALL MAKE. [19:34] SO IF WE TALK ABOUT [19:35] ABOLISHING PRISONS THEN, DOES [19:36] THAT MAKE SOCIETY BETTER? [19:37] I MEAN, IS THERE ANYBODY THAT [19:39] SHOULD BE INCARCERATED? [19:40] I MEAN, RAPISTS, CHILD [19:42] PREDATORS, MURDERERS? [19:43] YEAH, SO THE LONG-TERM PLAN, [19:47] WHEN WE THINK ABOUT MOST [19:48] PEOPLE WHO ARE IN PRISON, THEY [19:49] ARE MOSTLY IN PRISON FOR [19:50] CRIMES OF POVERTY. [19:51] SO WHEN WE... [19:52] SO WHEN WE... [19:53] BUT THAT'S NOT WHAT I'M [19:54] TALKING ABOUT. [19:55] I'M TALKING ABOUT THE REALLY, [19:56] YOU KNOW, THE MURDERS AND [19:57] RAPISTS OF THE POINT. [19:58] YEAH, SO WHEN WE GET RID OF [19:59] THIS NEED FOR CRIMES OF [20:01] POVERTY TO EXIST, WHEN WE GET [20:03] RID OF THAT DESTABILIZING [20:04] FORCE THAT CREATES SO MANY [20:06] PEOPLE WHO ARE LIVING IN [20:07] DESPERATE SITUATIONS AND [20:08] DOING DESPERATE THINGS, THAT [20:10] BRINGS THOSE NUMBERS DOWN TO [20:11] VERY SMALL NUMBERS, AND THEN [20:12] WE CAN COLLECTIVELY DECIDE [20:13] WHAT WE DO WITH THOSE [20:14] PEOPLE. [20:15] I SUSPECT IT WON'T LOOK LIKE [20:16] THE PRISON SYSTEM AS WE KNOW [20:17] IT TODAY. [20:18] OKAY, BUT YOU DO THINK [20:19] SOME PEOPLE NEED TO BE [20:20] LOCKED AWAY FROM SOCIETY. [20:22] SOME PEOPLE ARE NOT ABLE TO [20:23] BE FUNCTIONAL MEMBERS OF [20:24] SOCIETY. [20:25] THAT'S TRUE. [20:26] BUT WHAT DOES THAT LOOK LIKE [20:27] TO KEEP THE REST OF US [20:28] SAFE? [20:29] YOU KNOW, WE'RE TALKING ABOUT [20:30] SAFETY. [20:31] WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT [20:32] PUNISHMENT. [20:33] WE'RE TALKING ABOUT MAKING [20:34] SURE THAT WE'RE SAFE, [20:35] EVERYBODY'S SAFE, [20:36] EVERYBODY MAINTAINS THEIR [20:37] DIGNITY, AND EVERYBODY [20:38] MAINTAINS THEIR [20:39] HUMANITY. [20:40] OKAY. [20:41] SO MUCH MORE TO DISCUSS. [20:42] I HOPE THAT YOU WILL COME BACK, [20:43] ESPECIALLY AS WE FIGURE OUT [20:44] WHAT THE PARTY DOES WITH [20:45] RESPECT TO YOU, MEANING THE [20:46] DEMOCRAT PARTY AND YOUR ROLE [20:48] IN IT AND IN 2028 ESPECIALLY. [20:50] MAKE IT FROM HER, THANK YOU. [20:52] THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR HAVING [20:54] ME. [20:55] IT'S BEEN A PLEASURE. [20:56] BE SURE TO LIKE AND [20:57] SUBSCRIBE FOR ALL THE FOX NEWS [20:59] LATEST ON YOUTUBE AND CATCH [21:00] FULL SHOWS STREAMING NOW ON FOX [21:02] ONE.