DSA co-chair DEFENDS proposal to abolish Senate: ‘TRUE'

[0:01] I am tired, tired, tired of a set of people on the very far left in the Democratic Party, [0:08] my party, telling us that in order for us to be progressives, we now have to believe ideas [0:14] and support ideas that are completely nuts. You've got a set of defunding, decriminalizing [0:19] open borders. We have run that play and gotten our butts kicked. We don't need to do it a second [0:25] time to see if the movie turns out any different. Prominent Democrat voices pushing back on the [0:31] growing influence of the Democratic Socialist candidates they say are ultimately going to [0:35] hurt the Democrat Party. So let's talk about it with the national co-chair of the Democratic [0:39] Socialists of America, Megan Romer. Megan, welcome to the show. Thanks so much for having me, Shannon. [0:46] Okay, so there's this growing conversation about whether you can exist within the party, [0:50] whether you want to upend it for your own purposes, a totally different platform. [0:54] The Daily Economy quotes you saying this at a DSA convention last year. We will win [0:58] by making conditions so intolerable for the ruling class that they would rather give in to our demands [1:04] than continue to live with the disturbance we cause until we are able to fully seize power [1:09] ourselves. Is that aimed at the Democrat Party? It's aimed at, it's aimed from the working class [1:18] to the ruling class. So the two-party duopoly, the two corporate parties, it is aimed at both of [1:24] them and it comes from the working class. So should Van Jones and Rahm Emanuel and James Carville [1:30] and all of the establishment Democrats be worried about DSA plans from within their tent? [1:38] The establishment Democrats should be worried about the voters and about what the voters think [1:43] and about what the constituency thinks. And right now, right now they have not been delivering and [1:48] our candidates are and have been and it's resonating with voters. [1:51] So Jamie Harrison, who was the DNC chair, after you guys had such a big night in New York City [1:56] and knocking off some of those incumbents and having success with your candidates in the [2:00] congressional primaries, he said, if you hate the Democratic Party, then don't run for our [2:05] nomination. Don't use our resources. Don't rely on our volunteers. Don't use our infrastructure. [2:09] Focus on building the party you actually support. Other Democrats out there saying this is a separate [2:15] party, the DSA. You don't belong within the party. How do you respond to his statements there? [2:18] Yeah. I mean, the two parties have over years and decades created a system where ballot line [2:26] access is extremely difficult for third parties. I also have been told a lot of times by Democrats, [2:31] don't vote third party. It's wasting your vote. So we run on the Democratic ballot line where it [2:35] makes sense. We run independents sometimes where that is a viable possibility, but it's a ballot line. [2:42] And what matters is what the voters think. And the voters are overwhelmingly choosing our candidates. [2:48] They certainly did in New York and in other places, Colorado and others. It's not just a [2:53] big city phenomenon or just a blue coastal phenomenon. Okay. So we're going to put up on [2:57] the screen a few of the things that are part of your platform. And I want to ask you, just give me [3:00] sort of a true or false on these. Abolish the Senate. True. Okay. Replace the presidency and [3:08] Supreme Court as we now know them. Yep. Abolish ICE. Absolutely. Abolish borders and give amnesty to [3:18] anyone currently in the U.S. illegally. As a long-term plan. Yep. Defund the Pentagon. Absolutely. [3:27] Abolish prisons, at least in large part. Yeah. Again, as part of a long-term program. Yeah. Okay. [3:35] So no prisons. Government or public ownership of most large corporations. Yeah, absolutely. Okay. So [3:42] then let's go back through some of those then. Abolish the Senate. There are people who are in the [3:48] Senate now who are very supportive of DSA. They lose their seats? Well, the Senate is an anachronistic [3:57] institution. It comes from the British House of Lords. It is made to protect power for, you know, [4:04] the Senate was part of the system that was made to make sure that the people didn't have too much [4:11] of a say. So we want to expand Congress significantly, but make it a unicameral legislature. [4:16] Okay. And without the presidency and Supreme Court, so abolish ICE, would there be any [4:20] enforcement of immigration laws or with abolishing the border, there's, we're not enforcing immigration [4:25] laws. They go away. Yeah. So again, this is part of this longer-term plan. And part of it- [4:31] But if you can get there. Yeah. I mean, if we can get to the place where the U.S. is not [4:37] destabilizing countries in order to mine them for resources, there will be significantly less [4:44] migration. What do you say to those, though, that that would potentially destabilize the U.S.? Because [4:48] there's only so much the economy can bear. And when you have a flood of people coming in, [4:52] it might not work out economically, according to a lot of analyses, if you just open up the [4:57] borders and there's no enforcement at all. Well, we're not saying open the borders tomorrow. [5:02] We're saying rebuild an economy and a society that works for everyone. [5:06] And the open borders is part of a longer-term international plan that involves us stopping [5:12] destabilizing countries. Most people who are coming to this country are coming as economic refugees, [5:17] and we destabilized their country. We did that. Well, a lot of, you know, if you look at data, [5:23] the Center for Immigration Studies says right now the people, the households here in the U.S. that are [5:28] headed up by people who are here illegally, nearly 61 percent of them are on some type of government or [5:33] welfare program here in the U.S. Can we afford to do that? I mean, at some point, you run out of resources. [5:39] Well, right now we make it very difficult for people to participate in society in such a way [5:46] that they can avoid using services. So we want people to be able to work and live and go to school [5:54] and actually participate, which means contributing to society and also getting what they need from [6:01] society. It's a collective choice we can all make. So if we talk about abolishing prisons then, [6:05] does that make society better? I mean, is there anybody that should be incarcerated? I mean, [6:10] rapists, child predators, murderers? Yeah. So the long-term plan, when we think about most people [6:16] who are in prison, they are mostly in prison for crimes of poverty. So when we- But that's not [6:21] what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the really- Yeah, no, I hear you. So when we, yeah, [6:27] so when we get rid of this need for crimes of poverty to exist, when we get rid of that destabilizing [6:33] force that creates so many people who are living in desperate situations and doing desperate [6:38] things, that brings those numbers down to very small numbers. And then we can collectively decide [6:42] what we do with those people. I suspect it won't look like the prison system as we know it today. [6:47] Okay. But you do think some people need to be locked away from society. [6:51] Some people are not able to be functional members of society. That's true. But what does that look like [6:56] to keep the rest of us safe? You know, it's, we're talking about safety. We're not talking about [7:00] punishment. We're talking about making sure that we're safe, everybody's safe, [7:05] everybody maintains their dignity, and everybody maintains their humanity. [7:08] Okay. So much more to discuss. I hope that you will come back, [7:12] especially as we figure out what the party does with respect to you, [7:15] meaning the Democrat Party and your role in it, and in 2028 especially. [7:19] Megan Farmer, thank you. Thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure. [7:24] Be sure to like and subscribe for all the Fox News latest on YouTube [7:29] and catch full shows streaming now on Fox One. [7:32] Thank you. [7:33] Thank you. [7:33] Thank you. [7:33] Thank you.