Dr. Steven Greer on UFO Evidence, Trump, Living E.T. & Underground Government (Full Interview)

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: all right here we go once again we have the return of ufo expert and founder of the disclosure project dr stephen greer welcome back to vlad tv thank you good seeing you again well some things have happened since our last interview and the biggest of which is trump had [00:00:22] Stephen Greer: another round of ufo disclosures well actually on the contrary um there was really nothing in that first tranche although we're encouraged he's doing it and what was really interesting is that the day he released that last friday uh we had our national press club event with four new whistleblowers and green berets that was a thousand times more evidence and information than when it was released that morning by the u.s government so what's always interesting is that what the disclosure project has and is disclosing is is 20 30 40 years ahead of the government which drags its feet so we're hoping though you know in the information and briefings we've done with the administration that that was just sort of a little trial balloon to say here's more is coming so there's a lot to unpack in that the reality is they're being blocked by a number of bureaucrats and some of the three letter agencies and we know who they are and those have been turned over to law enforcement and there are criminal investigations going on about some of that nonsense but you know he is trying to release things but you know the mistake the public makes is that they always the president you can wave a magic wand and everything comes out but that's not how the u.s government works and particularly how a black project works so and also remember the most important evidence is not in the government it's in the contractors. Is it Lockheed Skunk Works? Is it Northrop Grumman, Raytheon, Bechtel Corporation, EG&G, SAIC? We know where they are. But because they've been government contractors, they could be compelled to release that data and information and videos and bodies and craft and all that. So that's what we're recommending. They're going to have to go wider than just the bureaucracy of the U.S. government. But in the meanwhile, we're going to keep bringing whistleblowers forward and putting the truth out because we feel like there has to be some sort of group that's external to government sort of driving the issue. Well, let's talk about what's [00:02:26] Speaker 1: actually in the report to start with. So the first of which is the Apollo mission anomalies. So what they said is that one Apollo 17 transcript described astronauts seeing a bright drifting object near the spacecraft. And there's a moon mission imagery showing unexplained dots and lights around the lunar footage and that type of thing. You're familiar with this part? [00:02:49] Stephen Greer: Oh, sure. Yeah. And we've had a lot of that for years in the Disclosure Project. If you go to our archive, dpiarchive.com, you'll see much better information and images than that. Now, what's interesting is that I know for a fact, you know, I think, you know, my uncle helped design the lunar module, but the first man on the moon, Northrop Brumman. So his whole career was Northrop Brumman as a big prime contractor for defense and space. And we know that when we landed on the moon in 1969, that we weren't alone, there is video footage in some compartmented operation of the crater above where we sat down being, quote, according to Neil Armstrong, crowded with UFOs watching as we landed there. So what I'm saying to people, the dots out in space, interesting, not conclusive. What I know is sitting in some compartmented operation is dispositive. And that's what we need to keep pushing for. But you have to have, you have to have enough whistleblower and intelligence information to even know what's out there. And I think for the president, you know, when we first gave the first briefing for him and his team in December of 2024, after the election, it was clear that they really didn't have any information or even know where to go. Same thing with Senate intelligence. So what we've been trying to do is pull together the essential sites, corporations, compartmented operations, code word information, get it to them, and hopefully they can go in at some point with a SWAT team and retrieve them. But the reality of it is right now, you know, it's unsure, it's unclear in my mind how much of that they've gotten hold of. I think more will be coming. But I know it's been a bit of a struggle. It's not like they can wave a magic wand, it just happens. But the other space images, not really that dispositive and not surprising. We have better images in our archive. But I think is very important are the operations that, for example, you look at one of our whistleblowers from, we just had our 25th anniversary of the Disclosure Project, which was May 2001. This is 2026. So that's why we just did this National Press Club on Friday when they released all this. I said, well, thanks, Mr. President. It was a nice anniversary gift or down payment, but let's keep it going. And the bigger issue becomes, well, if our archive and our whistleblowers have this information, documents, data, why isn't the government not just pushing forward? So I know that Congress, Congressman Burleson and Burchett in particular are pushing very hard on this. I know Senator Rounds of Senate Intelligence Committee also. Rubio was a leader on this issue and the Senate Intelligence is co-chair. Now he's Secretary of State, National Security Advisor. So there are a lot of people who do have good information we've provided information to over the last few years. And I think at this point, the big question is, will they start releasing the really good stuff, you know, like the close-up video and other evidence of extraterrestrial craft bodies, the man-made craft, all the, you know, 80 percent of the UFOs people see are made by our covert aerospace contractors. So I think that's going to be the test that my group is looking for. And I know the people I'm working with in the military, an intelligence community who do know about all this. That's what they're looking for also. Well, some people say that the moon landing was faked. No, we went. They just didn't want to show you what happened. So guess what? They had planned. Let's go back to 2001. Carl Wolf. Anyone can look at our documentaries and see this unacknowledged or read the books. I know it's politically incorrect to read. Nobody reads. So I shouldn't say that. Very politically incorrect. I think to do math or read. Anyway, I digress into social commentary. But I think that the big problem, Vlad, is that this guy was in an operations center at Langley. National Security Agency ran it. Langley Air Force Base, not CIA. And it was the early digital images coming back from the moon, right? When we were doing the lunar orbiter. So the lunar orbiter went around the moon and mapped it. So we'd know where to set the lunar module down a year later. Well, it turns out in those images, he saw artificial structures on the far side of the moon, as it were. He saw albalisks, very ancient structures, but some newer structures. And, you know, this guy is very credible. And he gave that testimony 25 years ago. It's in all the briefing materials for all the congresspeople and presidents since then. And so we know there's a great deal more there. Now, the problem is where there is. And this is where you get into a conversation that may be boring to people, but they need to understand it. The nature of an illegal off book, off book, black project, is that they're in a compartmented operation. And there's a myth that the president or members of Congress have open access to that if they have a top secret clearance. They don't. This is the thing that I learned in 1993 when I briefed the CIA director for Bill Clinton. They were being lied to and denied access, even though it was the president of the United States. So until people get their mind around that, they're always going to have the wrong expectations, but they also don't know what the process is to bring this information out. It's very difficult because the program since about 1954, 55, in that period, they went into an illegal unsanctioned operation, which I can unpack that for you if you'd like to know what happened during Eisenhower's term. But the point I'm making is that there's a lot more important stuff even about the moon landing, but it's not in those first files. Now, the question in my mind, will they ever get access to that? I mean, I have whistleblowers and I have debriefed about a thousand top secret guys and astronauts and whatnot over the last 35 years. The big question in my mind is the information and the data and the videos and the evidence that we know exists, will they even get access to that? Right. And if so, how? I think it's gonna be a more arduous process than people think. [00:09:35] Speaker 1: Well, there's some other stuff that got released. There's these orb and football shaped object videos. Right. These white objects over Syria and the Indo-Pacific. Right. And orbs launching other orbs was part of this report. What's that all about? [00:09:55] Stephen Greer: Well, you know, we've seen that. You know, we do our CE-5 contact, Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind Contact. And we've seen exactly that hundreds of times over the last couple of decades. And there are two types of spheres or orbs being seen. There is the ones that are manmade, which are kind of knockoffs of the extraterrestrial ones. And then there's the non-human ones. So the first question in everyone's mind needs to be, was that ours or extraterrestrial non-human? And that question, unfortunately, isn't being asked by a lot of people yet, because everyone's about 70 years behind the technology curve of what Lockheed Skunk Works is sitting on and these other big prime contractors. And I think this is where we're going to have to really drill down on putting the Constitution back in place and getting members of Congress as well as the executive branch and president properly in the system. But yeah, so those orbs, if you look at some of the expeditions we've been on, even last year, we were in Arizona and we were out and there were several hundred of those that we filmed doing that and sort of replicating and just materializing in the sky and vanishing. Pretty amazing. Pretty amazing. So, you know, we have been observing this for a long time and I know that the covert programs have. But what I do say to people, you also see that Congressman Burleson about six months, nine months ago, released a video of a hellfire missile closing in on an orb. And it was, you know, 3D spherical and it just sort of bounced off of it and melted. I mean, the orb kept going. What very few people know, that was one of ours. That was not extraterrestrial. So that was a friendly fire because the mainstream military, which has been often called Team Blue, the regular legal military of the United States, really is not read into these Team Black programs. And so the left hand doesn't even know the right hand exists. Right. So this is another complicating factor that operationally military folks have come to me over many years and said, look, we know this is going on, but we don't have access. And this is why when I briefed the director of the Defense Intelligence Agency, which is like the CIA for all military intelligence. He said, he said, he said, Doc, I've made inquiries through chain of command. I can't get anything. I said, no, because they don't trust you. They know you're an honest guy and you won't blow the whistle on this criminal operation. So this is what people need to begin to visualize. The secrecy around UFOs is the largest RICO, right? Racketeering Influenced Corrupt Organization on the planet. It would put the Gambinos to shame. And it is just how it's run. It's run like a bunch of thugs and mafia. And they really have so much power and technology. They just sort of flip off the president and Congress whenever they want to. Now, that's changing. Here's why it's changing. Because we have blown the whistle with and provide enough evidence to law enforcement and also to key members of Congress, Senate Intelligence, White House, that they've been able to get in through back doors. And I have a team of investigators who are former military who are out there bumping places and getting evidence and shooting it over. So the sausage making here, I'm not going to go into too much because it's sensitive and I don't want to blow anyone's cover. But that's really how they're getting inside. And I think that this is why a civilian operation like ours has to sort of backstop the usual nonsense. Or as a Delta Force guy told me, the normal fuckery that goes on in government. [00:14:03] Speaker 1: Well, Trump just posted an AI picture of an alien in chains being blocked with a bunch of military. Yeah. Is there any significance to this or is he just trolling at this point? [00:14:17] Stephen Greer: Yeah, he tends to bring up serious things and a funny way to sort of troll it. But I heard last night from a senior member of Congress who was very upset by that. And it's a member of his own party because he felt that he's going to step into the same mistake that the governor of Arizona made. When he mocked the whole alien thing after the Phoenix lights in 1993. If you look back in history at that event. I was there when that happened, by the way. It was right above me. And it was a CE5 contact. That's what other thing people don't know. But so, you know, and that governor since came out and apologized for ridiculing it that way because later he realized it was all very real and very serious. And the implications are very serious. So I think that. But at the same time, you know, the president likes to joke and likes to do outrageous things and kind of also sort of get people's goat, you know, and create controversy. It's something he enjoys doing. So I don't take it too seriously. But I did hear from a member of Congress last night who was less than amused by it. But I said, look, it's just par for the course with with Mr. Trump. So. [00:15:37] Speaker 1: Well, speaking of the president, the vice president, J.D. Vance referred to aliens as demons. And you actually commented about this. [00:15:46] Stephen Greer: Yeah, he was on the Benny Johnson show. It's a podcaster out of Tampa who's good friends with the vice president. And I was on one week later and sort of explained how dangerous that comment is. And the other problem is there are members of Congress like Congresswoman Luna that as soon as I briefed her years ago was intercepted by some intelligence and military people who then filled her head with nonsense. And they said, oh, they're not extraterrestrial, they're interdimensional, which is the stupidest comment ever. It's like saying an orange that you eat is round and someone else saying, no, it's orange. Well, it's round and it's orange and it's a fruit. It's all of the above. So what do I mean by that? What people are confusing is very advanced technology to a lower civilization, i.e. ours, is always going to look supernatural, magical, whatever. So, I mean, so let's put this in perspective for everyone listening. Let's go back to Thomas Jefferson. So my home is out in the country right near his home, Monticello. If you showed this thing or what we're doing right now remotely on an interview to Thomas Jefferson, it would be supernatural, magical, which is what J.D. Vance said about UFOs. And if you said it in Salem, Massachusetts, you'd be burned at the stake as a witch and executed. So this kind of thinking is so untutored that it really beggars the imagination. And the problem is religious ideas trying to creep into something that, while there is a spiritual dimension to this, is a completely incorrect interpretation. And this is going to be a big problem with disclosure going forward in the next few months, is that there are going to be a lot of people on the far lunatic fringe of religious extremist organizations saying that these aren't part of the natural creation because they're not explicitly in the Bible. So a priori, they're demons and they're demons and they're from Satan. Now, I don't think reasonable and moderate religious people or the Vatican people I've met with think that. However, there is a strain of this that runs through the intelligence community. And it's one way to sort of gaslight our leaders into this. But it also discredits the subject because no scientist cares to study demons. If you want to study demons, go to theology school or whatever it is demonologists do. The other thing I pointed out, Vlad, is that years ago, I think it was back in the late 90s, I was at the Vatican with the Pope's senior theologian. It was back when Pope John Paul was the Pope and Monsignor Balducci hosted me there and we were in his apartments overlooking St. Peter's. And he said, look, neither angels nor demons require flying saucers. He put it so simply. And by the way, Monsignor Balducci was a demonologist. His specialty were demons for the Catholic Church, believe it or not. So we had a long talk about this. Now, this was about, you know, almost 30 years ago. And so what I'm telling people back in the 80s, you had Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson saying UFOs were from Satan and the demons and all this stuff. This thread of religious fanaticism is really not any different than the Ayatollahs in Iran expecting the 12th Iman and wanting the end of the world to happen. Right. So there is a strain of sort of the lunatic fringe of people who have been filling the heads of people new to the subject. J.D. Vance admitted in that interview he has not. He's very interested, but he's not had a chance to study it. I have since had a friend of his get over to him a briefing document that we had done for the president. But I think that the mistake is an easy one, because if anything we're using today, imagine if one of our jets flew over a village in the Middle Ages. Well, it would be supernatural. Right. But we're talking about civilizations that are hundreds of thousands to millions of years more advanced than we are in Earth equivalent evolutionary years. Well, of course, their technologies are going to look magical to us. But if you're if you're looking at it objectively, almost everything we use today would be magical to people back up hundreds of years ago. So I think we have to bring that perspective to it and kind of calm down this hysteria and sort of literally demonizing the aliens that say they're demons because they look different from us. So I call this sort of interstellar racism. You know, this is the stock and trade of all Ufology. Right. The good aliens are tall and white and look like they're from Norway and the bad ones are short and dark and have different facial features. Well, this is just blatant speciesism or racism, but taken on an interstellar level. So I almost view almost of all Ufology as sort of a bastion of bigotry and ignorance. But I'm sorry to say I make a few friends that way, but I'm not running for mayor of crazy town. You know, I'll leave that to those guys. But, you know, and I think it is dangerous because the vice president is a heartbeat away from the Oval Office. And the president is 80 years old. So what you don't want, in my opinion, is to have somebody saying something that could then lead to sort of people wanting to have a holy war over this issue. And there are people in FBI, CIA, Department of Defense that are part of that lunatic fringe of religious extremists that would like to see that happen. So I think, you know, it was kind of a funny comment, but it's not funny because he actually meant it. And it's very similar to what Tucker Carlson has said, that he has said, oh, these are demons and they're working for Satan and all this sort of stuff. And look, everyone can believe anything they want and believe in freedom of faith, religion, freedom of speech. But, you know, if you're a leader, you have a responsibility to speak reasonably and factually about something that's important. So I think that, you know, we're trying to steer people away from that. And members of Congress need to get off the they're not extraterrestrial, they're interdimensional. Now, why? Let me let me explain this for just a minute. This thing. Let's put an electromagnetic field propulsion system around this. And if you change it at the subatomic level through magnetic fields and what have you, that object can literally dematerialize and vanish right in front of you and reappear at a place far away. It's quantum entanglement, but on a macro big level. So you can do this with entire spacecraft and people on it. Now, where is it when it's disappeared? It's crossed into what's called other dimensions. Now. So the reality is any civilization that can go interstellar, which is beyond the speed of light, by definition has to traverse these other dimensions. And this is why it's very easy to confuse a demon or an angel or something from another dimension. And I don't deny those exist with extraterrestrial because there's an overlap. But see, this is science interfacing with interfacing with mythologies and ancient spiritual teachings. And we have to sort of unpack that because the public's going to get very, very confused if the leaders don't have clarity. But I think more importantly, they need to understand what's called trans dimensional physics. It's very arcane. It's the physics of very powerful, high voltage electromagnetic fields and other technologies causing objects to teleport and move out of linear 3D space time matter through other dimensions, but then reappear. So basically, they pop out of this dimension, traverse other dimensions, and then pop back into 3D at another point in space. Now, this has been well understood, by the way, since at least the late 1950s in covert scientific research programs dealing with UFOs. But so we have about a 70 year gap, honestly, that we have to fill in for our leaders and for the public and even scientists, because it doesn't matter if you have PhDs from Caltech and MIT, this is not going to be in any textbook or lab because it's extremely classified. And I think this is why there's a big catching up process to do. But I think until our leaders get properly read in and briefed, they really should not be echoing the nonsensical theories that are out there amongst the UFO lunatic fringe. [00:24:50] Speaker 1: Earlier this year, Obama said aliens are real, but they are not in Area 51. And then Trump responded, said that Obama is giving away classified information. He made a big mistake. [00:25:01] Stephen Greer: Obama was correct in what he said, but listen to what he said. Remember, Obama's an attorney, a lawyer, and they're very good with words. So what he said was he knew the aliens existed, but he, as president, was never able to see anything. Now, what does that mean? It means that if you go up to my condo here, where I am right now in my building, you'll see a briefing document for President Obama that was provided to his right hand guy who put his administrative cabinet together, Mr. Podesta. And in that, we had tremendous amounts of information, and it was serious materials from whistleblowers, military documents, government documents, all kinds of evidence. So that's why Mr. Obama said he knew they were real, but he, through chain of command channels, was blocked, just like Clinton was blocked. And just like they were blocking Jack Kennedy, President Kennedy, and when he started pushing too hard on that, they just killed him over this. We know this to be true. So I think that when Obama said that, he was being very, very truthful. Now, later he walked it back, but what it did, it triggered the president not to be, he didn't want to be leapfrogged by a former president that he didn't like on the other side of the aisle. And so being very competitive on Air Force One, Andrew Trump made that comment. But President Trump needs to understand, Mr. Obama did not breach any classified information from what he said, because what he said came from an open source from the disclosure project and people that we had providing information into the White House way back then in 2009 and '10. So I think this is another big confusion. I want to clarify that, because I don't think Mr. Obama was lying, and I think President Trump assumed, because he didn't listen to it carefully, what President Obama was saying is that he didn't learn about this through official classified channels. He learned about it from an external non-governmental process, which is what we've been doing for 35 years. So I think that's different, and therefore he didn't breach any national security secrets. Now, this is the other thing I point out to people in Congress. Since the programs are illegal, now let's unpack this a little more, because anyone listening who's a whistleblower past or currently in one of these programs, you should contact us. Everyone says, "I can't talk about XYZ because it's top secret." I go, "No, it's not. It's not." We can prove that the programs have been run illegally as a treasonous effort since the mid-1950s. And because we can prove this, it means that you cannot use the National Security Act to keep something secret if that program is itself breaking the law. This is Constitutional Law 101, Contract Law 101. So what I tell whistleblowers, and I've been telling members of Congress, none of those programs can be regarded as having a legitimate TSSCI stamp on it, top secret special compartmented information. Nor should the information be exchanged in a SCIF, where I have been, a secure compartment information facility, or top secret information, because you wouldn't afford the mafia or any other criminal organization with the status of a SCIF briefing, right? So this is foundational to the disclosure project. By the time we declared these programs illegal in late 1997, I and my team had briefed the CI Director, President, the Secretary of Defense, the Head of Intelligence Joint Chiefs of Staff, Admiral Wilson, the Head of the Defense Intelligence Agency, General Patrick Hughes, Three Star, members of the Senate Intelligence Committee, members of the House Oversight Committee, the House Oversight Committee, this was back in the 90s, 30 years ago, in every case, those people were not given information, and were actively blocked or threatened for inquiring, including the President of the United States. That proves that the programs are illegal. And if they're illegal, you know what, the nondisclosure agreements, top secret agreements, all these men and women have signed, shred them. They have no enforceability, none. People need to hear this, because one of the things that has kept people, more people from coming forward, is I had a man recently tell me, oh, I signed an 80-year nondisclosure agreement with draconian penalties, including treason and death, and the loss of my military pension. I said, yes, but it has no enforceability. I said, yes, but it has no enforceability, because the program you were read into is itself an illegal operation and a criminal operation operating outside the Constitution and the oversight of both the White House and the Congress. And I tell people, you can't have it both ways. You can't run a program illegally, with embezzled money, engage in wet works, which is a nice way of saying targeted assassinations kill lists, and be involved in all kinds of skullduggery, including human trafficking and abductions, using man-made UFOs, and then say, oh, gee, you have to be quiet because you signed a nondisclosure agreement, it's top secret. See, this is the game that's been played. And what we did early on was to go right to the top and find out, well, if the president, the CIA director I briefed in '93 aren't read into it, then the program is insubordinate and illegal. So they have just vitiated, they have neutralized their national security classification system on UFOs. So I tell people, anything related to UFOs, extraterrestrial intelligence is fair game, because we can prove in a court of law, with multiple witnesses, that those programs are illegal. And by the way, many people in Congress now know that to be true. There are people in the administration, I won't say who, know it to be true. And federal law enforcement knows what we're saying is true, and they have checked it and can prove it. So I tell people, we need a flood of whistleblowers coming forward firsthand, and particularly operators, people who have been at these covert black sites that have been, you know, using electromagnetic pulse weapons to down extraterrestrial vehicles, capture them, torture the occupants, things like that. I know these men. Quite a few of them are delta force, and then they go over and work as contractors under a non-official cover or NOC. And the NOCs that I know all want to come forward, but they are afraid of not so much of their non-disclosure agreement, but of the, you know, being assassinated. And that is nothing to laugh about, because these guys have families, you know, and I know for a fact that there was a meeting in a skiff with a senior aerospace company's head of security and some other people where they were talking about whistleblowers I was working with and talking about killing them. So that has been handed over to federal law enforcement also, and with the names of the people who have ordered these killings. So, you know, this thing about missing scientists and dead people, look, I've been dealing with that since the 90s. And it's very upsetting, you know, I mean, and I have had people who have been killed that have worked with me, but I think that, you know, we're at a point now where the government needs to deploy protective, tactical protection around high value witnesses. And they need to make sure that anyone who threatens any of them are grabbed up and prosecuted for treason and are, you know, really run through the system. So that's what we're recommending, and I've been recommending that and working with some very senior law enforcement as well as military people over the last five years or so. And they've made great progress, but you're trying to unwind 70 years of an unconstitutional secret program. [00:33:54] Speaker 1: Well, the documentary, as for the Bob Lazar story, the documentary about Bob Lazar came out recently, and I got a chance to watch it. And Bob claims that he was actually at Area 51 and walked into a UFO and got to go inside the spaceship and play around with technology and so forth. Did you watch this documentary? [00:34:16] Stephen Greer: Well, I've known him for years. There's no need to. I mean, there's no corroboration of it. And the science that he's presented, it may or may not be accurate, but he was so young and there for so short a time, there's no way he would have been read on to the operational details of that object. I will say that, you know, if he has corroborating documents or fellow workers, this is what I've done. For example, I have one black site out west where there are half a dozen currently operate and they have provided information to members of Congress and to others and now people in the administration. So what I'd say is anyone like that, you need to gather corroboration. You need to gather other whistleblowers who were there and it should be investigated. So otherwise, you know, I don't know what to say about it. There's a very high bar when it's just one person's account. It's less of a bar. And remember, Area 51 is a pretty defunct area. Everything got moved out of there long ago. The real action is in Area 54, 52 and 53 and Pahoot Mesa and Groom Lake. And the really important materiel and operations are not there at all. They're up at the Edwards complex and the Lockheed Skunk Works underground facilities where I have been. And I have video photos of the underground opening at those sites. The Dugway Proving Grounds out in Utah where we have a whistleblower and we know exactly where a vast underground complex is there. So even when he was there, that Area 51 region was remember that its heyday was in the 50s, 60s, 70s. So, you know, it's sort of I'm not saying totally mothballed. But, you know, it's a curious account if you know enough about how these black sites have evolved and been built and been managed. You know, and you have big corporations like the Bechtel Corporation and they have a nuclear powered tunneling machine. I have the patent for it that was developed in the 60s to build these underground chambers and tunnels and connectors. You can go underground near the Edwards complex and surface boom at the Nellis in Nevada, nonstop underground. [00:36:45] Speaker 1: So are you saying that Bob Lazar is lying? [00:36:49] Stephen Greer: I'm saying I have no idea. I'm saying that needs corroboration. But I think that it's it's just much, much better whistleblower testimony than that. And it's become sort of a media fascination when I go. Look, we have all these guys who are operational, who saw and have handled much more than that, who have come forward. If you go to our archive, you'll see 120 military and corporate whistleblowers testimony, name, rank, serial number. Way more information than anything Mr. Lazar saw briefly or, you know, that people are looking at. So I just think it's interesting that something that is an uncorrobbed one person case sort of gets all that attention. But the actual whistleblowers who've risked their lives to bring information for it, not a mention. Now, you have to wonder what's going on with media and Internet with that. I actually think, you know, the whole new media and old media has is utterly penetrated and corrupted by covert intelligence operations, particularly CIA's connections to BlackRock, you know, 15 trillion or something in managed assets. And they have operation operators that then influence all the Internet media and an old legacy media companies to see their blow a story up or block it. And so, you know, this is another big problem for our democracy, in my opinion, is that the Fourth Estate is effectively dead on anything important. [00:38:26] Speaker 1: Well, there's a guy named Dr. Hal Putoff, who's the former Advanced Aerospace Weapon System Applications Program advisor and CIA-funded researcher, who recently said there are four distinct species of aliens that they got from crashed UFOs. And he said that each alien species has two arms and legs and a humanoid appearance. [00:38:50] Stephen Greer: Well, they do have a head, two arms and two legs, and humanoid. That's correct. That's correct. The fact that the idea that there are four is a myth. That's an old UFO myth. I know one of our whistleblowers who has since passed away, Sergeant Stone, who was on a retrieval team in the 60s. By the late 1960s, they had documented no fewer than 69 discrete, specific extraterrestrial species. So there's this mythology, you know, the four, you know, you got the insect type and the reptile type and the gray type and the Nordic type. No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, and so one of the problems with Dr. Putoff is that he's been embedded with some CIA and other operations that we now have been able to prove are counterintelligence and disinformation programs. And he's also been involved in identifying technologies that humans have and handing that up the chain of command so that they can be suppressed. So he has also been referred for investigation by law enforcement. [00:39:59] Speaker 1: Well, then there's the bugosphere. [00:40:01] Stephen Greer: Yeah, amazing. [00:40:03] Speaker 1: Talk about that. [00:40:05] Stephen Greer: Well, the bugosphere, I first heard about it in the spring of last year, 2025. And I didn't know what to think about it because, you know, in this field, there's so many hoaxes and nonsense. So, but the man who ended up retrieving it from Columbia, South America, because it landed in Buga, Columbia, South America, a little village called Buga, B-U-G-A. And it's about a footlong spherical object. Jaime Masson brought it back to Mexico City and invited me to come down. So last June, I brought Congressman Burleson with me of the House Oversight Committee to look at it. And we did the first scientific investigations on the metal and the organic material that if you look around the equator, there are these 31 little teeny holes that have a type of resin epoxy in there that has embedded with microscopic fiber optics. Amazing design. And we were able to carbon date it to 12,560 years ago at the University of Georgia, which is one of the best labs in the world. And then we did the metallurgy where we did a scraping from inside one of those tiny holes. And the metallurgy shows that it's an alloy, doesn't even exist now on the planet in any aerospace application. And that it had rare earth minerals that were important in electrical circuitry in it, even though those weren't even on our periodic table of elements until the late 1800s and early 1900s. They weren't even discovered. But the sphere is 12,560 years old. It is an electrogravitic anti-gravity free energy device. Now, it's not operational. I got very close to some very high voltage power lines you'll see in the video. And it shorted out. I could see on the side of it where it kind of got zapped. And it kind of short circuited the circuitry of its electronics. And it sort of went out of control, but it didn't crash hard. It just landed in this brushy area where a local man picked it up. Interestingly, when he picked it up, it was cold to the touch, which is classic of a zero point or quantum vacuum energy system. They don't give off heat. They're actually cool. It was putting out some sort of radio frequency that made him nauseate and gave him a little bit of a skin rash. It wasn't nuclear, but it was a radio frequency. And when he picked it up, it weighed two kilograms, so about four and a half pounds. And now it weighs over 10 kilograms, 22 and a half pounds. Interesting. And people couldn't understand when I went down to Mexico City how that happened. I said, well, it's the nature of the technology. It's a mass cancellation effect of the weight of the object due to its electronics. And if it becomes massless, it disappears out of this dimension. That's what I was saying earlier. But this thing, there are now at least a dozen videos of other bugosphere type objects flying around that area. And there may be a second one that's been retrieved. We're not sure. But that's the rumor. It hasn't been confirmed yet. But the original one is really a masterpiece of some engineering. Now, interestingly, a month ago, we did a micro CT scan. You know, we did a regular CT scan like you would on a body and showed, you know, its structure internally. And all that was showing then was sort of like a cloudy energy field that looked like a flask. Its sense has dissipated. The micro CT scan where you can run like a camera through and see every bolt and wire, it shows nothing in there now. And it's just like a black hole inside. It's like a, you know, a quantum vacuum. Now, we have not entered it. We have not drilled into it yet. So we know that in all likelihood, it was some site, but superconducting a low energy plasma field or a similar type of technology that allowed it to get its energy from what's called the zero point or free energy field quantum vacuum. And then its rotation was spinning about 330 RPMs. Its combination of its energy system and its rotational effect caused it to have this levitating ability because there's no one thing is for sure. There's no nuclear power in it. There's no jet fuel, gas, any means of propulsion. So we know this is a unique propulsion and energy device. But of course, it's not operational now. The other curious thing about it is that on the top of it are a bunch of inscriptions. That's a type of proto-Sanskrit. And Sanskrit is the world's oldest language is the, you know, believed to be the root of all Indo-European languages. And proto-Sanskrit is a more ancient version of that. Well, that would track with 12,500 years ago. And, you know, my theory is that that proto-Sanskrit language and those symbols did not originate on Earth. They were from a off planet source to begin with. But the big question, you know, the $100 trillion question, is why are these bugospheres suddenly being activated after 12,560 years? Now, there's no ET inside them. They're obviously remote sensors and surveillance. And they must, in my opinion, they're being triggered by either some sort of cosmic event they're picking up or some electromagnetic and Earth geophysical event they're picking up. Because 12,560 years ago is when there was either a comet or some object that struck the Earth and it ended the last ice age. And there was a big sort of mass extinction event, the so-called flood that people hear about in various traditions. And so are these devices there and being activated because they're picking up something similar that's approaching? I don't know. I'm theorizing here. This is my hypothesis. But I don't think it's an accident that all of a sudden these spheres are being activated. Now, the other trick here is a few months ago there was a man who tried to make a fake one in the United States. And we were pretty sure it was fake. And so now that this has gotten out, researchers are going to have to be very careful that they're not gaslit by someone just trying to get Internet fame or money by hoaxing one. But the bugosphere is legit and it's a very unusual device. There's so much work. My opinion is if there was anyone who could fund it, it should be reverse engineered like any other extraterrestrial object. But that's millions, probably tens of millions of dollars to do that, which as a retired emergency doctor, I certainly don't have. But we don't make that much anyway. So I think that's the real issue is will anybody step up. Now, the miracle of miracles is that it's still sitting in a vault in Mexico City being under 24 hour guard. And it is not had a SWAT team steal it yet. Now, when I was there with with with with Congressman Burleson, that night on a Saturday night, there was two armed police that came who tried to steal it. And one of them, I had some people who had the ability to run it through facial recognition, was a member of the Mexican cartels, federal, but embedded in the federal government police. And we know that the cabal, this covert organization keeping all this secret, they work a lot with the criminal gangs and cartels around the world and Russia, Ukraine, Mexico, all over South America. So, you know, and actually, I put a little blip, like a one or two minute thing about that because it had just happened. And I put it on our TikTok channel. It went viral with several million views and TikTok has permanently took the channel down. Gee, you make sure you wonder who's really controlling the algorithms at TikTok. Everyone listening to this should file and write a complaint. This is censorship. This is fascism. Right. You know, I don't know why people don't take this sort of Internet criminality seriously. I mean, I think TikTok should be hauled in front of a court for suppressing that information from the public. We were simply trying to get the information out to protect the things that are happening. Right. The thing and do an alert that we know this is happening. Right. And that we were recommending that more security be stood up around this device. So why would TikTok take that notice, take us down off their channel for that? [00:49:41] Speaker 1: Well, in the Bob Lazar documentary, they talked about how aliens were potentially messing around with human DNA to kind of move us into a certain direction in terms of evolution. Do you believe any of this? [00:49:56] Stephen Greer: I think there are covert human programs that have taken extraterrestrial DNA and human DNA and done all kinds of weird things with it. We know that there are things called program life forms, the grays and a lot of the ones that people like how put off describe as aliens that are manmade. They are basically like an alien reproduction vehicle as a manmade spacecraft that Northrop or Lockheed Skunk Works makes or Raytheon. These are biologicals. And I've known about this for 30 some years. And it's recently come to light that, you know, Congress, former Congressman Gates was briefed on this. Other people were briefed on it with military people. And so if you're a casual observer, you'll see these creatures that are also used in abductions. See, they're all these the abduction myth and the mutilation cattle mutilation myth. Those are being done by human covert operations for their psychological warfare value. So the way they can do it in the old days, I had several people who said, well, we would dress up someone who's short or looks a little weird like Hollywood and make them look like an alien. Put them on one of our manmade anti-gravity craft and go abduct someone to put the word out that the aliens were attacking us. It was all psychological warfare operation. And of course, the UFO subculture and media lapped it up like, you know, a kitten to a dish of milk. And it's really very sad how gullible people are. But part of it is that most people can't imagine the criminality and the sociopaths that run these programs. And they underestimate, in my opinion, the technology we humans have to simulate an alien event or an alien creature or craft. And I think that gap allows people to reach wrong conclusions. So in reality, yes, what you asked about has been done, but not in the way people are saying in that documentary. It's more that those civilizations are waiting for us to evolve to a point of readiness to a stop killing each other and be go out in space peacefully with them. But until then, we're sort of being watched and to an extent quarantined so we don't go too far out there because humans are simply not civilized yet. We don't let it go to Middle East or Ukraine and take a look around. So I think, or my ER on a Saturday night. But I think that in reality, the technologies are not just electromagnetic, physical, they're also biological. So think of this, there's been this covert ascendancy of technologies and electromagnetic surveillance, all kinds of cool stuff. But there's also been a concomitant parallel explosion in classified biological research because of that technology. Because biotech, think of biotech being supercharged with technologies of extraterrestrial origin. So you have to connect that dot. And as a doctor, I had people come to me in the 90s and say, oh, yeah, I was actually taken to a covert lab where they were doing some weird things with this sort of physics with biological systems. Now, the good news, that's the scary part. The nice part of it is that those same technologies, I'm sure, in the future can be used for healing, curing cancer, regenerating limbs, regenerating severed spinal cords, brain injuries, all sorts of regenerative technologies based on these advanced physics. But never mind imaging technologies will be greatly advanced when the science comes out. But in the meanwhile, you have a group of Frankenstein type Mingala weirdos doing all manner of stuff with this technology unsupervised by anyone, check and balance in the government. And they're doing all kinds of things. And they're doing all kinds of things to fool people. You know, interestingly, the guy, Dr. Jock Follet admits in a book from 1992 that he received a CIA document in '85, dated 1985, where they bragged about going to Argentina and Brazil and using human technology to, quote, simulate alien abductions of peasants. For their psychological warfare value. So, boom, let's pop that balloon real fast of the mythology of the aliens abducting humans and experimenting with us and mutilating cattle. That's all a PSYOP. Why? Because those same people want everyone to hate the aliens so we can have an interplanetary war so they can make more and more money through fear and brainwashing a gullible public and an uninformed leadership in our presidency and Congress. Look, my team has known this stuff for decades and it's now coming to light. So, and the public is going to go around, you know, with these mythologies rolling in their heads because they lap up idiotic programming on television, on the internet and documentaries as if it's the truth. And I would say 80, 90% of it is a myth. [00:55:30] Speaker 1: Well, Elon Musk, who, depending on the day of the week, is the richest man in the world, said, I've never seen any evidence of aliens, despite SpaceX having thousands of starling satellites circling the earth. Do you think he's telling the truth or do you think he's gaslighting? [00:55:51] Stephen Greer: Well, it could well be that his technology is not picking up those objects. It's theoretically possible. But then again, if an object is in a, let's say, trans-dimensional form shifted out of linear space time, his satellites aren't going to pick up anything. And so I think this is the other question. It's like microorganisms didn't exist until someone invented the lens for microscopes. Who's looking and with what technology? He doesn't have NRO, National Reconnaissance Office, top secret imaging technology that does pick those objects up even when they're starting to come into 3D. So his comment on that has no probative or evidential value whatsoever. Where I had a problem with him last year was where he bragged that what SpaceX had technologically was more advanced than everything at Lockheed or Northrop Grumman. And that was an absolute lie. And we exposed that because saying that when he was very, very close to the president was gaslighting the president on something very important. So he either didn't know what he was talking about or he was deliberately misleading people. And we went public and said, no, that is absolutely not true. SpaceX is using a 1940s rocket with some fancy computers and some newer material science. Whereas these technologies that he's not read into are using very advanced electromagnetic field propulsion that are anti-gravity, quote unquote, etc. So for him to tell the president and the public that his rocket, you know, is the best thing out there is a complete fabrication. [00:57:40] Speaker 1: Well, one of the things that Elon has talked about in interviews is the concept of are we in a simulation? [00:57:49] Stephen Greer: Do you believe any of that? Oh, well, I mean, from the point of view, now we're getting into philosophy. In the Vedic tradition, the whole of creation is Maya, an illusion, and that everything is really pure consciousness with a play and display as being this thing or that thing or what have you. So on a deeper level, at that level of consciousness, yes. But in terms of it just all being an A.I. program, no, not unless you consider the creator running an A.I. program created the creation or something. So now you're talking about, let's count how many angels are on the head of a pen. So, you know, a lot of these guys, I mean, I think, you know, I've had these discussions for years with folks like that. It's like, well, yes and no, because basically it's what your level of consciousness is, right? What was the old saying in the Vedas, the ancient Sanskrit? The world is as you are. So your level of consciousness informs what you perceive and your perception is your reality. But, you know, it doesn't mean that it's all just sort of a simulated A.I. program, right? I mean, but at the same time, you know, you can get into these really advanced concepts of consciousness, right? And consciousness technologies. And by the way, that's the other thing about this bugosphere. It seems to be able to sense human awareness and people who are looking at it. Now, back in the, I wrote a paper in 91, 1991, describing two things. Technology assisted consciousness, where you can have a technological device like this headset you're wearing. And it would assist your consciousness to be able to remote view and see remote places. But there's also consciousness assisted technology, where your own consciousness interfaces with a device. And extraterrestrial communication systems and guidance systems interface seamlessly with the intended stream of consciousness and thought of the operator of the ship. And we observed, I observed this when I had an event happen to me in 1973 when I was 18. And it was very interesting how that worked. And this is how I ended up starting CE5 Contact, A Close Encounters of the Fifth Kind, if people look at that documentary. Because I discovered that not just any random thought, but your consciousness in an expanded state, almost meditative state. And then a very clear intended stream of consciousness, which I call coherent thought sequencing, it's like a laser-like intentionality, can interface with these ET craft and objects and people, the extraterrestrial people themselves, as easily as we do, you know, a teleconference or a Zoom call or a FaceTime call. So there is this very advanced, let's call it conscious AI component of extraterrestrial technology. And I think that's the other big secret that's starting to come out. You know, you've heard about some of the what are called psionic operators at these black sites that are using people who are specially trained to latch on in consciousness with an ET craft, lure it over and then knock it down with an electromagnetic pulse weapon. I know several of those and one of them came forward at the National Press Club a week ago, Friday, that nobody saw that. They're looking at lights in the sky that the president released, right? All the other, I'm just telling you that the really important stuff no one's looking at. [01:01:54] Speaker 1: Well, one of the things you said in an interview is that you had General offer you $2 billion? Yeah. For what? [01:02:03] Stephen Greer: To abandon what I've been doing since, it was in May of 1992. And it was General Albert Stubblebind III, who had been head of Army Intelligence Special Forces back years ago. And he was part of a cabal group of people. That included Dr. Hal Puthoff and Colonel John Alexander and several other people. And they didn't like what we were doing because in March of 1992, I had about 60 people out on a beach near Pensacola. And we had four -- we were doing CE5 Contact. And people can get the app. It's called CE5 Contact. You can get it on your app stores. And I was teaching them to do this process of remote viewing and making contact. And there were four ET craft that just popped and materialized into the sky. And one of them was photographed and ended up on the front page of the Pensacola paper the next day. And that lit up the intelligence community. So I had both friendly people reach out to me at that point. And ultimately, one of the guy who helped set up my meeting with the CIA director for Bill Clinton learned of it. And that's why in '93, I briefed Clinton's first CIA director. But General Stubblebind and his group were not happy. They said, look, you guys have broken the -- it's like the Rosetta Stone of ET Contact and how it's done. And you shouldn't be doing this. I said, I don't recognize your authority. So we kind of had a tiff. And then about a month later, up in near Estes Park, Colorado, I was having a conference for researchers. And he came, he offered me $2 billion to be quiet, work with his team, and not do what I was doing publicly. And then he went to my wife, tried to convince her to convince me. And I said, never approach my wife again about something like this. And I told him, I'm not interested in your money. That is a true story. And it really happened. So one of the other naivetes, I was talking to a Stanford Law graduate a couple weeks ago. He said, well, there's no way they could keep this secret all these decades. I said, you're a lawyer dealing with whatever, you know, corporate law. Let me tell you how the world works, the real world. They're going to offer you whatever they think will be your price tag. They're going to threaten you. They will blackmail you. They will find any dirt and oppo research they can and blackmail you. That's what the Epstein files were for. That was a honeypot. And then if that doesn't work, they will, if you're not careful, just flat out kill you. I said, so the idea that extraordinary means aren't taken to keep an extraordinary secret is naive. But this is one of the big problems I've run into is that most people in the media and the public greatly underestimate the thuggishness and the ruthlessness of the people keeping this secret. These are very nasty folks. So he wanted to be, and the other reason he wanted me involved, and that's become clearer over the years, is that these psionic programs where they train people to connect to the ET craft and consciousness, conscious AI aspect of the craft and the operator. They wanted me to be part of that so they could use us to bring ET craft over so they could strike them with these illegal electromagnetic pulse weapons. And which are, by the way, are illegal. They're against the international non-proliferation treaty for nuclear weapons. Because an electromagnetic pulse, everyone should know, is the pulse that goes out from an atomic bomb or a nuclear bomb. But you can weaponize just that component of it, which is what's happened. I've seen these weapons. And I've been at places where they're operating them. I was at two places back about two and a half years ago, out west, where at each site they knock down one or two ET craft and kill them. And if the ETs are living, they capture them and then, of course, as usual, torture them and interrogate them. And there are a number of them still living. That's one of the directives when I put together the recommendations and executive order recommendations for the president was that they have a team go in and liberate those guys, the non-human beings that are in there. They're still living. And so I think that the heat stubble by... Hold on. [01:06:46] Speaker 1: Hold on. Hold on one second. Let me just interrupt you real quick. Yeah. So you're saying there's a living ET in a government facility somewhere. [01:06:54] Speaker ?: No. [01:06:55] Stephen Greer: You see, this is the mistake everyone makes. What government? Which government? [01:07:01] Speaker 1: Well, somewhere. You're saying that someone has a living ET in a cage somewhere. That's what you're saying. Well, a number of them. [01:07:07] Stephen Greer: Yes. Okay. More than one because when they down these crafts, sometimes they crash to smithereens, but sometimes they have a sort of a hard to soft landing and they capture the ET beings. So the operators, the Delta Force guys and the contractors who are at some of these sites have told me that they have those in their custody, but they're in underground facilities, which is horrible, but... [01:07:34] Speaker 1: Okay. So what do these ETs eat? How do you sustain their life? [01:07:39] Stephen Greer: I have no idea. I'm sure they figure that out and, you know, they go on. That's not something I have information on that's credible. I've heard various rumors, but, you know, I wouldn't hang my hat on anything I've heard, but I would have my hang on the fact that we have downed at least 1,000 to 2,000 ET craft. Many of them have had living creatures on them. And I'm talking about over the decades. And those craft have been reverse engineered and the genetics of those ETs, living and dead, have been used to create knockoff fake ETs that have been used in psychological warfare operations, such as abductions and mutilations and other nonsense. The other problem that's come to the attention that we brought to the attention of law enforcement, there's a huge program using manmade UFOs, triangular ones, octagonal ones, others, in human trafficking and child trafficking. So they're used in rather gruesome criminal enterprises. And this is known by extremely senior people in the administration and in law enforcement. That's all I'm going to say. So, you know, I think part of the problem with this issue is that, you know, and actually both Congressman Burchett and Burleson recently said they've been at meetings and learned things that would tilt the world upside down and it would upset. I said, yeah, it would. And so one of the I make a joke sort of semi joke about what I call disclosure PTSD. You drill down on this and you start pulling the curtain back and you begin to see what horrific things the, you know, people of the mindset of Dr. Mingala with Adolf Hitler are doing, but with much better technologies, much more advanced technologies. And so this gets into a real problem. How much do you tell the public? How much do you hide? How much do you cover up these misdeeds and just let them go away? Unfortunately, there's a big push around the president to prevent him from disclosing the manmade technologies we have, which he now knows we have. All right. Because those can be used in clandestine operations and be classified. But my argument is that if you have used these technologies for decades in criminal operations against innocent civilians, both in the United States and abroad, you have forfeited the ability to keep that secret. You have given up that right. So the public needs to know the truth about this. Now, are they given the schematics of how the things run? No. You and I can't go down to Ace Hardware store or Home Depot and buy a nuclear bomb or a nuclear trigger or a component. So but the existence of that fleet of human craft that had been reverse engineered and had been used in false flag and psychological warfare operations that absolutely has to come out. Otherwise, the public is going to be left with the impression, false impression that the ETs have been doing all these horrible things when really it's these. But it's like the Wizard of Oz behind the curtain, pulling all the levers and scaring the crap out of Dorothy and the scarecrow. No, this has to get revealed because otherwise people are going to think there's 60 years of atrocious things aliens have been doing to us, which is also false. So I think that, you know, disclosure is a very tricky business. If this comes out incorrectly, it will be catastrophic for our civilization and will lead to interplanetary war, which is an extinction event for humans. If it comes out properly, truthfully, then it's a new civilization. You know, we'll get rid of oil, gas, nuclear, Straits of Hormuz, who cares? We don't need it. Well, we do right now, but we don't need it long term. You know, have at it, bro. You know, you can have leave the oil in the ground. So and you can end poverty in 20 years with these technologies. So that's the big message, you know, because people say, oh, well, President Trump wants to be the peace president and the golden age president. I said, well, you're not going to do it by just pulling black junk up out of the ground. You're going to disclose these technologies, but not the things that fly. You have to disclose how you get the energy and how things run. But things that levitate and fly at 300,000 miles per hour. You don't want a terrorist in Mogadishu having that. So there there is a rank order of what technologies can be explicitly disclosed and what needs to be held back. But the information that they exist and that there have been unfortunate things done with those that have gas lit the public, that has to come out and it needs to come out very quickly. Now, I know that people like Bob Bigelow, who had Bigelow Aerospace, where Dr. Puthoff and some of these other figures worked, is advising that he do a soft disclosure and not reveal any of this. That's a mistake. Unfortunately, he's in the billionaire club and friends with the president, but it's a very big mistake for them to do that. Because it leaves unaddressed 60, 70 years of horrifying things that have been attributed to extraterrestrials or aliens when it's not. And I think that ends up leaving the whole of humanity psychologically prepared for being manipulated through fear. Remember, the only way demagogues get away with controlling the masses and creating wars and creating cults and all that is through fear. And the biggest what could be a more scary thing that they were being invaded and raped by aliens, you know, even though it's not true. So I think this is something has to be addressed and it's an ugly story. But if it's not addressed, the whole public who's seen all manner of movies and lame documentaries and other nonsense are going to think, I'm sorry. I'm not. Look, I'll be 71 next month. I'm too old and too over it to mince words with you. But I'm just telling you the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth, which nobody wants to hear. I will tell you that. [01:14:11] Speaker 1: Well, you said that the Disclosure Project needs around one million a year to protect whistleblowers. How much money has the Disclosure Project gotten over the years in terms of donations? [01:14:24] Stephen Greer: Oh, I don't know. Probably over 30 years, a couple million. But we need this year. Well, we'd have had a benefactor provide us a few hundred thousand dollars for a team that's doing what you just mentioned and has set up a system to protect the whistleblowers, but also go to sources where I shouldn't go because I'm known and get information and convey it back over to the U.S. government and Congress. So I can't talk too much about the structure of that because it's sensitive and ongoing. But yeah, but it's expensive. We're funding that. When we bring whistleblowers to D.C. that were being taken to Senate Intelligence and to the Pentagon Aero Office, we paid for that. A lot of these guys don't have the money to fly here and be put up. So our expenses are huge with this. And we only have one staff member, you know, so it's me, my wife, one staff member and then like a 15 hour a week person. But we're doing this all this work with very little staff and funding. But the people that are in the field, they're sort of senior operators in the military, but they're they have families and they have young kids. So they have to be supported. And so we have to pay for that. So that's what we're doing. And I think that the public needs to understand that and help us, you know, because we're not the Ford Foundation or something. Now, I'm sure if I claimed I was by a gang of aliens, I would probably get ten million dollars. Like Gary Nolan at Stanford got his three and a half million after he defrauded the public about that Atacama humanoid, that little skeleton thing. Tell the lie that this organization wants you to tell, you'll get rich. [01:16:10] Speaker 1: Well, last question. You said that a while back you had a meeting at the Wrigley Mansion and this is the Wrigley chewing gum family. You're right. Right. Yeah. [01:16:24] Stephen Greer: So what happened there exactly? Well, that was back in 1993, about two months before I briefed CI director in 93. And there were some people who were high tech, digital back then, folks who worked with this covert organization that invited me. And they knew that this meeting with me and the CI director was being set up. So it was very late at night and it was maybe 10 o'clock midnight and it was a conference room in the Wrigley Mansion. And Jordy Hormel of Hormel Meat, I think, had purchased it and they were kind of using him as a front for this operation. I don't think he was even aware of what was going on, honestly. And I guess maybe there were eight to 12 guys in suits around this table. And they said, look, we know all about your meeting with the CI director. And they said very bluntly, the president and the CI director don't know anything and they're not going to know anything. If you want to know what's going on with this, talk to us, those of us who contract for these programs. And they described the whole thing and I'm going, all right. And I knew that was true. And I knew that even though we had used extreme precautions to prevent anyone knowing about this meeting between me and the CI director, that it was already known in those circles because their surveillance capabilities exceed what the U.S. government knows about. It's very advanced surveillance. It's not even electromagnetic the way we think of it. So anyway, they, you know, and then I learned a couple other things that that there were certain religious orders involved in that cover up. And there were big corporate contractors that were represented at this meeting. And they were saying, look, we're the ones who have this. And then because now remember, this is a little about a year and a half after General Stubblebein offered me two billion dollars. And one of the guys there said the main guy, he said, look, we've checked you out. You're a doctor. You have great credit. 850 or whatever. Take out as many credit cards as you want. We'll zero them out each month to zero because we also control the supercomputers that back up all the banking systems. And then he described a way that they were getting huge amounts of money because when there was an exchange between a dollar and the Japanese yen, for example, anything less than a penny, they would scrape and put into a black file, a black budget file and very clever, very. This is 93, right? September, October. And so I learned a great deal from these guys and they were trying to recruit me. So when General Stubblebein's recruiting effort failed, then he did all kinds of defaming things. And, you know, it's like what you've heard recently. I'm a Russian spy. I'm a Mossad spy. I head up a pedophile cult. I mean, everything you can imagine has been thrown at me over the last 30 years. And I told these guys, I said, look, I'm not going to do anything like that. Plus, you're going to own me, aren't you? And he goes, oh, no, we're just wanting to help you out, man. I said, yeah, right. You're not trying to help anyone. You're trying to get control what we're going to do. So, look, this has been my life for 33 years. You know, it's nutty. But, like, I joke with people, it was a lot easier taking care of someone shot through the chest with a .45, you know. But. [01:20:06] Speaker 1: Well, Dr. Steven Greer, always a pleasure. This is our third interview, I believe. Yeah, it was great seeing you again. Of course. Of course. Congratulations, continuing your project. You know, whenever we have these UFO disclosures, I always go to you first. And I feel like you really give a good back story and overview of what's happening. And good luck with your project. Good luck with your disclosure project foundation. And wish you all the best. Thank you. Appreciate it. That's what it is. Until next time. Bye-bye.