Donald Trump On Immigration, Hillary Clinton (Full Interview) — Meet The Press — NBC News

[0:00] Let me start with a sort of a large ideological question. [0:04] Define conservatism. [0:05] Well, for me, conservatism, as it pertains to our country, is fiscal. [0:10] We have to be strong and secure and get rid of our debt. [0:13] The military has to be powerful and not necessarily used, but very powerful. [0:18] I'm on the sort of a little bit social side of conservative when it comes. [0:22] I want people to be taken care of from a health care standpoint. [0:25] But to do that, we have to be strong. [0:27] I want to save Social Security without cuts. [0:30] I want a strong country. [0:32] And to me, conservative means a strong country with very little debt. [0:37] Some of the criticism on you from conservatives is you're not a real conservative. [0:41] When you hear that, you know, someone will argue on social policies that you're not a real conservative. [0:47] Is it just different brands of conservatism that's out there and you just have a different brand? [0:51] Or do you think they have a point? [0:52] Well, I think they have a point from years ago. [0:54] But they also have that same point with Ronald Reagan, who was a Democrat absolutely with a liberal bent. [0:59] And Ronald Reagan became, you know, not only a Republican, but a pretty conservative Republican. [1:05] Not the most, but a pretty conservative Republican. [1:07] And he's somebody that I actually knew and liked. [1:10] And he liked me. [1:10] And I worked with him and helped him. [1:12] But I think that when you get right down to it, people do evolve on different issues. [1:18] And, you know, I'm pro-life. [1:20] And I was begrudgingly the other way. [1:23] But I have to say, when those questions were asked, and that was many, many years ago, I wasn't a politician. [1:28] And it was like a question that was never asked to me. [1:30] As a real estate developer and as what turned out to be a world-class businessman based on what I've done, [1:35] you don't ask questions about, gee, are you pro-choice? [1:38] Are you pro-life? [1:39] It's just something that is not really discussed. [1:41] As a politician, they discuss it all the time. [1:44] I've always hated the concept of abortion, always hated it. [1:49] And through various things and seeing various things, I've totally evolved on that issue, and I'm pro-life. [1:55] Should some form of abortion always be legal? [1:58] Well, to me, I have exceptions. [2:00] Rape, incest, if the mother is going to die. [2:04] And Ronald Reagan had those same exceptions. [2:07] And many Republicans have those same exceptions. [2:09] But I say rape, incest. [2:10] You said life of the mother. [2:11] What about health of the mother? [2:12] Well, I said, actually, if the mother's close to death. [2:15] And I'm talking about death. [2:17] You know, because then you sort of say, like, well, maybe she's not feeling so well. [2:20] Well, that's the line here. [2:21] What is the constitutional right between the mother and the unborn child? [2:26] Whose constitutional rights matter more? [2:28] My statement on that happens to be, you know, if the mother will die, and you're going to know that. [2:33] And the problem with the life, if you say life, what does life mean? [2:37] You have a cold and you're going to end up having an abortion. [2:40] So I have the three exceptions and pretty much the standard three exceptions that many Republicans have. [2:45] Is this going to be a litmus test for the Supreme Court nominees that you picked? [2:49] Well, I think I would certainly be asking him the question. [2:51] And I think it would be, if not a litmus test, it would certainly be helpful in terms of my choices. [2:56] I mean, I want great jurists. [2:58] I want great intellects. [2:59] And certainly that would be helpful to me. [3:01] You were pretty, you were somewhat defending Planned Parenthood earlier this week. [3:08] It struck me that there was a time Planned Parenthood was not a, seen as a very political organization. [3:13] Did you ever, were you ever a donor? [3:15] I don't know. [3:16] I mean, I don't know. [3:16] It's possible? [3:17] But it's possible. [3:17] I give to so many, Chuck. [3:18] I give to so many organizations over the years, hundreds of millions of dollars. [3:23] And so I don't know. [3:24] I don't think so. [3:25] But it's possible somewhere. [3:26] It wouldn't have surprised you if you had. [3:28] Well, it could be. [3:28] Look, Planned Parenthood has to stop with the abortions. [3:32] It's a lot of people considered an abortion clinic. [3:34] I think those tapes that I saw over the last, the five tapes or the six tapes, I think they were outrageous. [3:39] I think they were terrible, disgusting by any standpoint. [3:44] And they have to stop. [3:45] Does it bother you that they were edited? [3:47] Well, I don't know about them being edited. [3:49] I mean, all I did, I saw, whatever I saw was terrible. [3:51] What you saw. [3:52] I mean, it was terrible. [3:53] And in particular, I didn't like the attitude of the people. [3:55] They talked about it almost like we're making widgets or gadgets, and it was inappropriate. [4:00] So I didn't like what I saw. [4:02] I didn't like the doctors or whoever they were talking about it. [4:05] They talked about it like we're doing cars or something. [4:08] But you seem to be hesitant about this idea of totally saying, let's shut down Planned Parenthood. [4:13] Let's defund it. [4:14] Let's not let the federal government give money to it. [4:15] Women's health issues to me are very important. [4:19] I cherish women. [4:20] I mean, my mother was this incredible woman. [4:22] I have great children. [4:24] I have a great wife. [4:25] I cherish women. [4:27] I understand the importance of women. [4:29] I have such respect for women. [4:31] I have many executives in my organization that are women that, frankly, get paid more than many of my men executives. [4:36] I mean, they've done great with me. [4:38] Early on, when I was building major towers, I had women in charge of a couple of them, and really big ones and really important ones. [4:46] And that was unheard of in the construction industry if you look back 30 years. [4:49] That was, like, totally unheard of. [4:50] So I understand women. [4:51] And women's health issues are very important to me. [4:55] If you look at Jeb Bush from last week when he was essentially saying, let's not give money to women's health issues, he's made so many flubs, I don't even understand it. [5:04] And I actually think that that statement is his 47 percent. [5:07] When Romney did the 47 percent, the now famous 47 percent statement. [5:11] He did say he misspoke. [5:12] Well, I know. [5:13] What, five hours later, he said I misspoke, meaning he misspoke. [5:16] I didn't misspeak. [5:17] So to me, women's health issues are very important. [5:20] So you would not shut down the—you don't think there should be a government showdown shutdown over Planned Paranoia Weather? [5:25] I wouldn't fund it if they have the abortion going on. [5:29] And it's been a big factor. [5:30] Now, you hear all different numbers. [5:31] They say it's 3 percent. [5:33] Right. [5:33] Other people say it's 85 percent. [5:35] That's a big difference. [5:36] So I'd certainly look into it. [5:37] But would you shut down the government over this dispute? [5:40] I would not fund if they're doing abortions. [5:43] But, as you know, there could be a stalemate in Congress. [5:46] Is it worth shutting down the government? [5:49] It's something I'd have to think about, to be honest with you. [5:51] I don't want to give a hard and fast answer to that. [5:53] It bothers me greatly that they're doing the abortions. [5:55] At the same time, women's health issues are, you know, very important to me. [6:00] Now, you have a lot of other people that do that without the abortion clinic. [6:03] Right. [6:03] Because they really are, to a large extent, an abortion clinic. [6:06] I also want to know, and this wouldn't have the effect because if it's 3 percent or 80 percent, [6:11] but it would be interesting to know, what is the number? [6:13] They say it's 3 percent. [6:14] Other people say it's 80 and 85 percent. [6:17] That's an awfully big spread. [6:18] Let's go foreign affairs. [6:19] You want to knock the hell out of ISIS. [6:21] How? [6:22] Well, I want to take away their wealth. [6:23] And as you know, for years I've been saying, don't go into Iraq. [6:26] They went into Iraq. [6:27] They destabilized the Middle East. [6:29] It was a big mistake. [6:30] Okay. [6:30] Now we're there, and you have ISIS. [6:32] And I said this was going to happen. [6:33] I said Iran will take over Iraq, which is happening, as sure as you're sitting there. [6:37] And ISIS is taking over a lot of the oil in certain areas of Iraq. [6:41] And I said, you take away their wealth. [6:43] You go and knock the hell out of the oil, take back the oil. [6:45] We take over the oil, which we should have done in the first place. [6:48] It's going to take ground troops. [6:49] What you're talking about is ground troops, maybe $25,000? [6:53] We're going to circle it. [6:53] We're going to circle it. [6:54] We're going to have so much money. [6:55] And what I would do with the money that we make, which would be tremendous, I would take [6:59] care of the soldiers that were killed, the families of the soldiers that were killed, [7:03] the soldiers, the wounded warriors that are, I see, I love them. [7:06] And they're walking all over the streets of New York, all over the streets of every city, [7:10] without arms, without legs, and worse than that. [7:13] And I would take care of them. [7:14] They pay a big price. [7:15] America should take over these oil fields, shouldn't be given to the Iraqis? [7:18] We can give them something, but we should definitely take back money for our soldiers. [7:22] We've had soldiers that were decimated, so badly hurt, the wounded warriors, and killed, [7:27] of course. [7:29] But we've had soldiers that were so badly hurt and killed, I want their families to get [7:33] something, because we got nothing out of that war. [7:35] We spent $2 trillion, Chuck. [7:37] We had thousands of people killed, wounded warriors all over the place. [7:41] They got nothing. [7:42] And they can't even say we had a victory. [7:44] Who do you talk to for military advice right now? [7:48] Well, I watch the shows. [7:49] I mean, I really see a lot of great, you know, when you watch your show and all of the other [7:53] shows, and you have the generals, and you have certain people that you like. [7:57] But is there somebody, is there a go-to for you? [7:59] You know, every presidential candidate has a go-to. [8:02] Probably there are two or three. [8:04] I mean, I like Bolton. [8:05] I think he's, you know, tough cookie, knows what he's talking about. [8:08] Jacobs is a good guy. [8:09] Ambassador John Bolton. [8:10] Yes. [8:11] You mean Colonel Jack Jacobs. [8:12] Colonel Jack Jacobs is a good guy, and I see him on occasion. [8:16] I actually had dinner. [8:18] I was given a very high award by the Marines at the Waldorf Astoria a couple of months ago. [8:22] And your new head of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the head Marine, was a very impressive guy. [8:27] He just got pointed. [8:28] I think that he will do a terrific job. [8:30] Let me, you wrote this in 2011 about Saudi Arabia. [8:33] It's the world's biggest funder of terrorism. [8:35] Saudi Arabia funnels our petrodollars, our very own money, to fund the terrorists that seek [8:39] to destroy our people while the Saudis rely on us to protect them. [8:42] What are U.S.-Saudi relations going to look like under a Trump administration? [8:46] Well, one thing they'll look like, first of all, I get along very well. [8:49] They pay me millions of dollars for apartments, okay? [8:51] I like that. [8:52] And so does China, and so does Mexico, and so does a lot of other people, all right? [8:56] I make a tremendous amount of money from selling very wealthy people from other parts of the [9:00] world and from the United States apartments and other things. [9:04] They lease tremendous office space from me. [9:07] So does China. [9:07] The biggest bank in the world is in my building, one of my buildings. [9:10] So it's not that I don't get along with all of them. [9:13] I get along with them, but their leaders are much smarter than our leaders, Chuck, and [9:16] like from a different planet. [9:18] Saudi Arabia makes a billion dollars a day, okay? [9:21] They make a billion dollars a day. [9:23] Saudi Arabia, if it weren't for us, they wouldn't be there. [9:25] They wouldn't exist. [9:26] They should pay us. [9:27] It's like Kuwait. [9:28] When Kuwait had the problem with Saddam Hussein, like the ultimate problem, they were taken over. [9:33] We go in, we fight. [9:34] We were paid for that war. [9:35] We had other countries that paid back some stuff. [9:38] We got nothing. [9:39] And, you know, I met the Kuwaitis right after- [9:40] Secretary Baker did collect a lot of money. [9:42] A lot, but nothing compared to what we spent. [9:44] Nothing compared to what we spent. [9:46] And I'll never forget, shortly after the war, the Kuwaiti fund came to see me, [9:50] and they wanted to do a deal. [9:52] And I said, we have a great deal in the United States. [9:54] They go, no, no, no, not United States, not United States. [9:57] We don't want to invest in United States. [9:59] We gave them back their country. [10:00] But to go back to Saudi Arabia, if they're a funder of terrorists, why should we have diplomatic relations with them at all? [10:05] Well, look, I'm not a big fan. [10:06] Should we be holding them more accountable? [10:08] Well, you know, the primary reason we're with Saudi Arabia is because we need the oil. [10:12] Now we don't need the oil so much. [10:14] And if we let our people really go, we wouldn't need the oil at all, and we could let everybody else fight it out. [10:19] Look, Saudi Arabia is going to be in big trouble pretty soon, and they're going to need help. [10:23] Because if you look at Yemen and you look at that border, you don't have to be an expert to know that is one long border. [10:29] And they're not going in for Yemen. [10:30] They're going in for the oil. [10:31] They're going in for Saudi Arabia. [10:33] So Saudi Arabia is going to need help, like it or don't like it. [10:36] People have backed Saudi Arabia. [10:38] What I really mind, though, is we back it at tremendous expense. [10:42] We get nothing for it, and they're making a billion dollars a day. [10:44] But I think Saudi Arabia is a major target, a major target. [10:49] And I think that's why they take over the end. [10:50] You think this is going to be the United States' responsibility if Saudi Arabia erupts into a civil war? [10:53] This is the great fear among a lot of people in the Middle East. [10:56] Well, that could happen. [10:56] You think it's the U.S. responsibility to help settle that? [10:59] Well, I say this. [11:01] Now, because of what's happened with the oil revolution, with fracking and all of the different technologies that are coming about with the oil, [11:08] I think that certainly we don't have the same motive that we used to have. [11:12] We used to have a real motive. [11:13] Financial motive. [11:14] We did. [11:15] Right. [11:15] We need that. [11:16] That's a much smaller motive right now because we have a lot of oil. [11:19] In fact, we're sitting probably on the largest in between us and Canada. [11:22] I think we probably have the largest in the world. [11:24] So I really feel if we're helping them and if we want to help them, [11:29] and it's something that probably we should do despite what you said, [11:33] and certainly we've been doing it for a long time, and Obama's been doing it. [11:35] So if this happens, you think if you're president, reluctantly, the U.S. is going to help try to stabilize Saudi Arabia? [11:41] I would say reluctantly, but we're going to be paid a lot of money. [11:44] We're not paid. [11:45] We defend Saudi Arabia. [11:46] We send our ships. [11:47] We send our planes. [11:48] Every time there's a little ruckus, we send those ships and those planes. [11:51] We get nothing. [11:52] Why? [11:53] They're making a billion a day. [11:55] We get nothing. [11:55] And this is the problem with the world. [11:57] We make bad deals. [11:59] We have no victories. [12:00] I mean, we just don't have victories anymore. [12:02] As a country, we don't have victories anymore, and it's very sad. [12:05] Whether it's trade with China, whether it's Japan selling us cars by the millions, [12:10] and what do we sell them? [12:11] Nothing. [12:11] I mean, we give them practically nothing. [12:13] And by the way, when we send beef, cattle, wheat, when we send things to Japan, [12:18] they don't even want to take it. [12:19] Let's go to Europe. [12:21] You wrote this. [12:22] Pulling back from Europe would save this country millions of dollars annually. [12:24] The cost of stationing NATO troops in Europe is enormous, and these are clearly funds that [12:29] can be put to better use. [12:32] We pull out of Europe. [12:33] Would you want to end the NATO alliance completely as well? [12:35] Well, I'll tell you, I'm a little concerned about NATO from this standpoint. [12:40] Take Ukraine. [12:41] We're leading Ukraine. [12:43] Where's Germany? [12:44] Where are the countries of Europe leading? [12:46] I don't mind helping them. [12:48] I don't mind being right behind them. [12:49] I'll be right behind them. [12:51] You know the old expression, go on, fellas. [12:53] I'm right behind you. [12:54] I'll be behind them so much. [12:55] But why isn't Germany? [12:56] Germany is a very, very powerful and economically powerful and rich country. [13:01] Why isn't Germany, Chuck, leading this charge? [13:04] Why is the United States, I mean, we're like the policemen of the world, and why are we leading [13:08] the charge in Ukraine? [13:08] So you don't think Ukraine's our responsibility? [13:10] I don't like what's happening with Ukraine. [13:11] But that's really a problem that affects Europe a lot more than it affects us. [13:15] And they should be leading some of this charge. [13:18] So you wouldn't allow Ukraine into NATO? [13:21] I would not care that much, to be honest with you, whether it goes in or doesn't go in. [13:26] I wouldn't care. [13:27] If it goes in, great. [13:28] If it doesn't go in, great. [13:29] Look, I will support NATO. [13:30] It sounds like you're not a fan of NATO. [13:32] I'm a fan of fairness. [13:35] I'm a fan of common sense. [13:37] I'm certainly not a fan of us being against Russia for Ukraine when Germany is sitting [13:43] back, you know, accepting all the oil and gas that they can get from Russia. [13:48] So why isn't Germany involved? [13:50] You know, she's a great leader. [13:52] And one of the reasons that Merkel's a great leader is she sort of says, oh, good, let the [13:55] United States handle it. [13:56] Why are we always at the forefront of everything? [14:00] As an example, you look at Iraq. [14:02] China is taking oil out of Iraq like nobody would believe. [14:07] What did we do? [14:07] We spent $2 trillion in all those lives and wounded warriors. [14:11] China is taking tremendous amounts of oil out of Iraq. [14:14] You look at Afghanistan. [14:16] We're fighting in Afghanistan, big mountains, tremendous ridges and mountains. [14:20] And we're fighting over here. [14:22] And China has these massive, you know, Afghanistan has tremendous minerals, which a lot of people [14:27] don't know, tremendous minerals. [14:29] China is over here excavating all the minerals. [14:32] And we're here fighting. [14:33] And China is taking out all the minerals. [14:36] What are we doing? [14:37] What are we doing? [14:39] The other day I ordered 4,000 television sets, 4,000 for a big project that I'm building [14:44] and built. [14:46] And it's a big order, right? [14:48] So I want to, I'd love to buy American. [14:50] You can't buy them from America. [14:51] They're all from South Korea. [14:53] Now, we defend South Korea. [14:55] I like South Korea. [14:55] They're great people. [14:56] They also, I mean, have great relationships with them. [14:59] How are you going to put, we're getting off a tangent here, but how are you going to put [15:02] this, Jeannie? [15:02] No, but it's not really a tangent. [15:03] How do you put this toothpaste? [15:03] No, no, no, no. [15:04] How do you put this toothpaste back in the tube? [15:07] Manufacturing jobs. [15:08] You're saying you're going to bring these jobs back. [15:10] You're going to bring a lot of jobs back. [15:12] Most of them, this is automation and robotics. [15:15] Here's the problem. [15:16] I mean, that's taken away a lot of jobs, outsourcing and robotics. [15:19] If you take South Korea, they make a fortune off. [15:22] We do very little to them. [15:24] They do tremendous stuff. [15:25] You can't buy a television, other than Sony, which is Japan. [15:28] You can't buy a television practically if it's not made in South Korea. [15:31] Everybody, whether it's Samsung or all of them, Sharp, all of them are, it's like South [15:37] Korea. [15:37] So I said to myself, I mean, this is terrible. [15:39] Now, when they have a war, when the young man, we want to be very nice today, right? [15:46] So the young man from North Korea starts acting up and having one of his fits, we immediately [15:51] get our ships going. [15:52] We get our aircraft ready. [15:53] We get nothing for this. [15:55] I'm not saying that we're going to let anything happen to them, but they have to help us. [15:59] We do have a running theme here. [16:00] You believe the U.S. should, you're okay with the U.S. being the world's police? [16:05] We should at least be reimbursed by these extremely wealthy countries. [16:08] So essentially, you want, that turns our military into a mercenary force. [16:12] No, not at all. [16:13] Look, we are a debtor nation. [16:16] We owe one point, I mean, now it's $1.9 trillion, okay? [16:20] I've been saying $1.8 trillion. [16:21] Now it's one point, it's really kicked in. [16:23] It's soon going to be $2.4 trillion, okay? [16:26] That's like, that's like a point that whether you believe in the great economists or not, [16:30] that seems to be a point of no return. [16:32] That's where we're grease on steroids, okay? [16:35] We're going to be there very soon. [16:37] Why are we doing all of this? [16:39] These are wealthy countries. [16:41] They will give us, if we have the right messenger, they will give us. [16:44] It's like this horrible deal with Iran. [16:47] This deal, if you had the right, you'd have the prisoners back years ago. [16:51] Iran would still get money. [16:53] Can you believe that deal? [16:54] But let me ask you this. [16:55] No, no, why is Iran getting the money? [16:56] I understand a lot of people are critical to the deal, but could you, [16:59] what deal can you come up with that wouldn't give Iran money? [17:02] Okay, I would never have given it. [17:04] I would have told him up front, by the way, we will never give you back your money. [17:07] We will never give you back your $150 billion. [17:09] You're never getting that money back. [17:10] That's number one. [17:11] Number two, before we start negotiations, you have to give us our three prisoners. [17:15] Now it's four, okay? [17:16] You know, when it started, it was three. [17:17] Now it's four. [17:18] You have to give us back. [17:19] Without question, you have to give them back. [17:22] And you know what? [17:22] You don't want them, but we do. [17:24] It's psychologically good. [17:25] And it will help us make a better deal together that's good for you, okay? [17:28] But I would have told them up front, you will never get your $150 billion back. [17:32] They are going to be such a wealthy, such a powerful nation. [17:37] They are going to have nuclear weapons. [17:38] They are going to take over parts of the world that you wouldn't believe. [17:42] And I think it's going to lead to nuclear holocaust. [17:45] And I will say this. [17:47] The people that negotiated that deal, namely Kerry and his friends, are incompetent. [17:53] What do you do on day one, though? [17:55] This is a deal. [17:56] Secretary Gates basically says didn't like the deal, thought the U.S. wanted the deal too much. [18:03] No, they begged for it. [18:03] So bad negotiating tactic. [18:05] And by the way, they should have doubled up the synergy. [18:06] And then he said, can't pull out of the deal because of the international ramifications. [18:10] What do you say to that? [18:12] He's a pretty wise guy. [18:13] Okay. [18:13] I've heard a lot of people say, we're going to rip up the deal. [18:16] It's very tough to do when you say rip up a deal because I'm a deal person. [18:19] You get that. [18:19] Even if it's you've made. [18:20] Liberté. [18:21] But I will police that deal. [18:22] You know, I've taken over some bad contracts. [18:24] I buy contracts where people screwed up and they have bad contracts. [18:27] But you have to abide by. [18:28] But I'm really good at looking at a contract and finding things within a contract that even [18:31] if they're bad. [18:32] I would police that contract so tough that they don't have a chance. [18:37] As bad as the contract is, I will be so tough on that contract. [18:41] So the deal lives in a Trump administration. [18:43] You're just going to be. [18:44] It's very hard to say we're ripping up. [18:46] And the problem is by the time I got in there, they will have already received the $150 billion. [18:52] Do you know if the deal gets rejected, they still get the money, which is something I found [18:55] out a week ago. [18:56] I couldn't believe it. [18:57] But if the deal gets rejected, they still get all of this money. [19:01] Iran is going to be unbelievably powerful and unbelievably rich. [19:05] And Israel's in big trouble. [19:07] Israel is in big trouble. [19:08] Obama has really let Israel down. [19:11] Do you, so you believe the Saudis are going to get a nuclear weapon? [19:15] You believe Egypt's going to go after nuclear weapons? [19:17] I think other people will arm with nuclear weapons, yes, based on this deal. [19:21] Because if you look at it, Iran will end up being nuclear, even if it's not within the [19:26] next fairly short period of time. [19:27] And the whole thing about 24 days, first of all, the 24 days doesn't start immediately. [19:32] There's a whole big deal before the clock starts ticking, right? [19:35] So the 24 days could be much longer than that. [19:38] In 24 days plus numerous weeks, you can do anything. [19:42] If you get evidence they're working on a nuclear weapon, you order airstrikes immediately. [19:46] Yeah, I don't want to really say, I would be so tough you wouldn't believe, but I don't [19:50] want to really say, you know, if I win, and now I'm leading in every single poll, even [19:54] you will agree to that, right? [19:55] Every single, local, national, Iowa, New Hampshire, everything. [20:00] If I win, I don't want to really be talking too much about, Obama talks too much about what [20:04] he's going to do. [20:05] We're going to raid here. [20:06] We're going to do this. [20:07] General MacArthur, General Patton, they didn't talk. [20:10] They got the job done. [20:12] So I hate it. [20:13] Even the concept of, you know, I'd attack the oil. [20:15] I had to say it because at some point I had to say it. [20:17] I would take their wealth away from ISIS. [20:20] I would attack that oil. [20:21] They're sort of trying to do that. [20:23] That's part of the plan is to try to decouple. [20:25] They don't know what they're doing. [20:26] And if they are trying to do it, they picked it up from me because I started saying it three [20:29] weeks ago. [20:30] And you know what? [20:30] I hated to say it because that would have been a great plan if they didn't know about [20:34] it. [20:35] We talk too much. [20:36] I can tell you this. [20:37] The great General MacArthur and Patton, they're spinning in their graves when they see everybody [20:41] talking. [20:41] Let me go through some grab bags. [20:43] What launched our relationship, shall we say, was back four years ago. [20:49] Do you believe President Obama is a citizen who was born in the United States? [20:52] Well, I don't like talking about it anymore because, honestly, I have my own feelings. [20:56] I think he should have taken the $5 million. [20:58] I don't know why he spent $4 million in legal fees to keep his records away. [21:03] Nobody's seen his records. [21:04] I don't know. [21:04] We're talking about the diversity. [21:05] Maybe the hackers. [21:06] Maybe the hackers have his records. [21:07] It'll be very... [21:08] No, I meant his college records. [21:09] I mean, he spent $4 million in legal fees to make sure that nobody ever saw... [21:12] Well, if you want him to release his, would you release all yours? [21:14] But here's what I do. [21:15] Would you release all your college transcripts? [21:16] I'm proud of my records, but he has to do it. [21:18] If he does it, I'll do it. [21:19] But I'm proud of my... [21:20] Hey, I went to the Wharton School of Finance. [21:21] I was a really good student. [21:22] It's probably the hardest school there is to get into. [21:24] I've never heard you say anything about Wharton before. [21:26] Huh? [21:26] I've never heard you say that about Wharton. [21:27] I'm proud of the school. [21:28] You know why? [21:28] It's a great school. [21:29] Let me ask you. [21:29] Some of the greatest business minds in the world have gone to Wharton. [21:32] I understand. [21:32] But why do you feel it's important to tell us that all the time? [21:36] I'll tell you what. [21:37] Because everybody knows what a great school it is. [21:40] Everybody knows that to get into Wharton is probably the hardest school to get into. [21:43] It's, you know, right there, you know, within a couple of... [21:46] Sure. [21:46] Ivy League. [21:47] No, no question. [21:47] You have to be very smart. [21:49] If you're a conservative Republican, you are, you go in... [21:53] Look, if I were a liberal Democrat, people would say I'm the super genius of all time. [21:57] The super genius of all time. [21:59] If you're a conservative Republican, you've got to fight for your life. [22:02] It's really an amazing thing. [22:03] And let me tell you, they're plenty smart, and they're really smart. [22:07] But I guess I go back to, why do you have to tell us all the time that you went to Wharton? [22:11] People know you're successful. [22:12] They see you're successful. [22:13] They assume you're smart. [22:14] They know it's a great business school. [22:16] Why do you have to say it? [22:16] We need business genius in this country. [22:19] We need it. [22:20] We can't have continuously bad trade deals with China, with Japan, with Mexico. [22:24] I mean, Mexico's killing us. [22:25] Mexico's killing us in trade, killing us at the... [22:28] How are they killing us? [22:29] The peso is worth less today than it was even five years ago. [22:33] How are they killing us? [22:36] Their GDP is lower than ours? [22:38] Chuck, Nabisco is moving to Mexico. [22:40] This is not a country that is killing us by the stats. [22:44] Ford, they're killing us, Chuck. [22:45] Ford is building a $2.5 billion plant. [22:48] Many other companies are building big plants. [22:50] If the economy is so great, why aren't people staying in Mexico to get jobs? [22:54] Nabisco yesterday announced they're moving out of Chicago into Mexico. [22:58] Mexico's... [22:59] Look what happened to New England. [23:00] Look at New Hampshire and all the places up in New England. [23:02] I understand that, but Mexico... [23:03] They moved to Mexico. [23:04] They're not doing better. [23:05] I don't care how they're doing as a country. [23:06] They're doing worse. [23:07] I'm just saying they're killing us because everybody's moving into Mexico. [23:10] There are people that argue that NAFTA was terrible for them. [23:13] Mexico is doing an unbelievable job. [23:17] Mexico is taking our business. [23:19] Mexico is the new China, okay? [23:21] You look at the... [23:22] Where is the evidence of this? [23:24] It's all over the place. [23:26] Their GDP is smaller. [23:28] They're moving companies... [23:29] The peso is... [23:30] It is worth less today. [23:33] That is true. [23:33] I mean, that's not the sign of a strong economy. [23:35] Chuck, and you know what? [23:36] Because it's worth less, they're doing a lot of business. [23:40] I mean, because it's... [23:41] Look at what China's doing. [23:42] It's called devaluation. [23:43] They're very smart. [23:44] Mexico's doing it. [23:46] You think the peso's just dropping automatically? [23:48] Mexico's... [23:48] They're very smart. [23:50] And frankly, they're learning from China. [23:52] China, last week, devalued their currency. [23:55] Which you've been begging them to do, by the way. [23:57] The opposite. [23:59] Well, no, you've been hoping that they would actually... [24:00] That their currency would finally be sort of more like the market of what it should be. [24:07] And it is now closer to what it should be. [24:08] Well, they're the ones that are doing it artificially. [24:10] That's not the market. [24:10] They are, but it's becoming... [24:12] It's looking like it's where it should be. [24:13] No, no, I don't want their currency to go down. [24:15] Because it makes it... [24:15] I've been fighting this for years. [24:17] I can't believe you're saying that. [24:18] No, no, no, no. [24:18] But you've been fighting the way they manipulate their currency. [24:20] They have totally manipulated their currency. [24:22] And now they're trying very hard to try to get it back to where it should be. [24:25] Well, no, no. [24:25] They've been manipulating it down, though. [24:28] Now they've just manipulated the biggest manipulation they've had downward. [24:32] A few more grab bags. [24:34] Transparency in the White House. [24:35] Will you commit to releasing the names of everybody you meet with as president to the public? [24:41] I would have no problem with it. [24:42] You know, transparency is a great thing. [24:44] But if you're talking about national security, [24:45] if you're talking about meeting with the leaders of Russia or Germany... [24:49] Or anybody. [24:50] Anybody that comes into the White House. [24:52] I don't want to embarrass people. [24:52] If Merkel wants to come over from Germany, I'm not looking to embarrass her. [24:57] You know, if she wants to have a quiet meeting, I'm not looking to go wild. [25:00] I want these people to like Trump and to like this country. [25:03] So, you know, I don't think that's the most important thing. [25:06] I do think having to do with campaign financing, everything should be released. [25:10] It should be very open. [25:11] But having to do with that, I want to make a country coming to the White House feel comfortable. [25:16] As far as people coming in from our country, like business people, 100%. [25:20] Everybody. [25:21] I don't care. [25:22] Hey, look. [25:22] I hire so many lobbyists. [25:24] I know every one of them. [25:25] A lobbyist called me yesterday, one of the biggest. [25:27] He said, Don, I want to give $5 million to your campaign. [25:29] I said, I don't want it. [25:30] I don't need your money. [25:31] I don't want it. [25:31] Because if he gives me $5 million, all of a sudden I guarantee he's going to call and say, [25:35] you know, I represent such and such a company, I don't want to have anybody in the administration. [25:38] President Obama tried to put a ban on lobbyists ever working in the administration. [25:41] Will you do something like that? [25:42] Well, that's a pretty good idea because, you know, these guys get out and they almost immediately, [25:46] almost immediately go to work for a company and they have power that they shouldn't have. [25:50] Look, when Jeb Bush raises $114 million, I know those people that gave him the money. [25:55] I used to be one of them. [25:56] I mean, I gave to everybody, okay? [25:57] I know those people. [25:59] He's like a puppet for those people. [26:00] He's a puppet. [26:01] Those people, they'll take negative ads on me and on other people [26:04] because they want him in there because they're going to control Jeb Bush. [26:08] And not only Jeb, they're going to control Hillary. [26:10] She raised $60 million plus. [26:12] They're going to control whoever's in. [26:13] The lobbyists and the special interests and the donors have 100 percent. [26:17] So no lobbyists will work in the Trump administration? [26:19] I don't work. [26:20] You'll have a ban? [26:20] I would certainly have a ban, yeah. [26:22] You can't put a lifetime ban, but you can certainly make it three, four years. [26:26] Fair enough. [26:27] Edward Snowden, hero trader. [26:28] I say he's a total trader. [26:29] I think he's disgusting. [26:30] I think he's a disgrace. [26:32] And we should get him back. [26:34] And he's caused great difficulty for our country. [26:36] Affirmative action. [26:38] Should we keep it? [26:39] Yes or no? [26:40] I'm fine with affirmative action. [26:42] Should it be expanded or should it be limited? [26:44] Well, it should be, you know, you have to also go free market. [26:48] You have to go capability. [26:49] You have to do a lot of things. [26:50] But I'm fine with affirmative action. [26:52] We've lived with it for a long time. [26:53] And I've lived with it for a long time. [26:55] And I've had great relationships with lots of people. [26:58] So I'm fine with it. [26:58] Should private companies be able to fire people because they're gay? [27:02] Well, it's a big discussion. [27:07] And I guess it's getting a lot of negative rulings right now, that whole thing. [27:11] And I'm willing to go with what the courts are saying. [27:14] And that is, you don't think a private company should be able to do that? [27:17] I don't think it should be a reason, no. [27:19] I don't think it should be a reason. [27:21] What is a fair living wage? [27:23] Well, you know, it's a very tricky, I want everyone to make a fortune. [27:27] Sure. [27:27] For me, I'm going to take jobs back from China, from Mexico, from Japan. [27:30] I'm going to bring jobs back like you will even be surprised, Chuck. [27:33] You will be very surprised. [27:34] So that we won't even have to be talking about the minimum wage. [27:37] But, you know, we have a problem called corporate inversion in this country, [27:42] where corporations are leaving the United States to go to other places [27:45] because they can get lower wages and lower taxes. [27:48] And we have to be very careful with the minimum wage. [27:51] You know, it's great politically to say, hey, I want to give everybody $500 an hour. [27:55] Forget about $15 or $12, right? [27:57] But we have to be very careful because we have a huge inversion problem in this country. [28:02] I mean, you look at some of the companies that are talking about leaving the United States. [28:06] And many of these companies are run by people from Britain and from Ireland and from other people. [28:11] They have no loyalty to this country. [28:13] But many great companies, big companies, a lot of employees are talking about inverting, meaning leaving. [28:19] Right. [28:20] And we have to do something. [28:22] And also, the $2.5 trillion that's sitting outside that can be brought back in, we have to make it valuable. [28:27] How do you encourage it? [28:28] Well, we're going to have to lower the tax. [28:30] We have to lower tax. [28:31] Right now, they have to pay a tremendous tax to bring that money in. [28:33] We have to lower the tax so that they don't mind paying something. [28:36] But they're not going to pay 30% and 35% to bring money back in. [28:39] There's some arguments. [28:39] There's some people discussing the idea of sort of a one-time, smaller tax, bringing it in and then using that for infrastructure. [28:46] Well, I'm okay with that as a step. [28:47] But just to show you how bad Washington is, how they can't do it. [28:51] I've been hearing about this for two years. [28:53] For two years, everybody agrees that we should let the money in. [28:55] And for two years, they can't make a deal. [28:57] Okay? [28:57] Welcome to Congress. [28:57] And you know what? [28:58] The Democrats and Republicans agree. [28:59] They still haven't made a deal. [29:01] This is for two years. [29:02] All right. [29:02] Going back, what's a living wage? [29:04] What's fair? [29:05] I want to keep the minimum wage pretty much where it is right now because of the fact that we have a country that is now competing more than ever before because of airplanes and transportation and the Internet. [29:16] So you think we've got to keep the minimum wage lower? [29:17] Well, we're not going to be able to compete with the rest of the world. [29:19] I want to compete with the rest of the world. [29:21] What I do want to do is bring in jobs so much so that people don't have to live on minimum wage. [29:25] But we are going to have to compete with the rest of the world. [29:27] I want to talk to you a quick Facebook question. [29:28] Michael Martinez asks, residents of the District of Columbia currently pay federal taxes but have only a non-voting delegate in the House of Representatives, no representation in the Senate. [29:37] Should that policy continue as is? [29:39] Should D.C. become a state? [29:41] Should it not have to pay taxes? [29:43] Should it be more treated like Puerto Rico? [29:45] How should D.C. residents be treated? [29:46] I have a conflict of interest because I'm building the greatest. [29:48] You know, I'm building at the old post office. [29:50] I think what will be maybe one of the great hotels in the world. [29:53] It'll open. [29:53] By the way, unlike our government, we're under budget and ahead of schedule. [29:57] Isn't that a nice thing to hear? [29:58] You don't hear that. [29:59] Just like the wall will be under budget and ahead of schedule and nobody's getting through that wall, believe me. [30:04] All right. [30:04] So the district. [30:05] So I have a little bit of a conflict. [30:06] I would like to do whatever is good for the District of Columbia because I love the people. [30:10] You know, it's funny. [30:11] I've really gotten to know the people, the representatives and the mayor and everybody. [30:15] They're really special people. [30:16] They're great. [30:17] And they have a great feeling. [30:18] So I would say whatever is best for them, I'm for. [30:21] I have a total conflict of interest. [30:23] So you're okay with either way? [30:24] If they want statehood, you're for statehood. [30:26] I mean, people are talking about that. [30:28] I'd look at it. [30:29] I'd certainly look at it. [30:29] Or give them back to Maryland or do something. [30:31] I would look at a number of things and something would be done that everybody would be happy. [30:35] Your slogan, we're going to hear it a lot today at the fair, we're going to make America great again. [30:41] When was the last time America was great? [30:43] I would say during the administration of Ronald Reagan, you felt proud to be an American. [30:49] You felt really proud. [30:50] I don't think since then, to any great extent, people were proud. [30:53] Then let me ask you this. [30:56] I'm not trying to play a little gotcha here. [30:57] But in 1987, you took out a full-page ad. [31:01] This is during the Reagan administration. [31:02] And you said this to the American people. [31:04] For decades, Japan and other nations have been taking advantage of the United States. [31:07] On message, by the way, consistent. [31:09] The world is laughing at America's politicians as we protect ships we don't own, carrying oil we don't need, destined for allies who won't help. [31:20] Message-wise, very consistent. [31:22] From day one, including during the Reagan. [31:24] I was just going to say, let's not let our great country be laughed at anymore. [31:29] If that's the last time America was great again, you didn't think America was great then. [31:32] No, no. [31:33] I thought America was excellent. [31:34] I think NAFTA was a huge mistake. [31:36] I thought it was a terrible mistake. [31:37] But I just think that he set a tone that was an excellent tone for this country. [31:43] I disagreed with some of his favorite. [31:44] Looking back, you seemed to like it. [31:45] But at the time, this was a fiery guy. [31:49] Donald J. Trump of 1987 was not. [31:51] Well, it's the same guy. [31:52] You're consistent. [31:53] I'll give you consistency. [31:55] For years, I have been saying that we haven't had. [31:58] I spoke with Carl Icahn. [32:00] He's totally on board. [32:01] You should call him. [32:02] You should have him on your show. [32:03] I said, Carl, and he's a great negotiator. [32:06] I said, we're not going to have these babies negotiate for us, Carl. [32:09] You're going to take over China. [32:10] You are going to negotiate with China, and I'll throw Japan in. [32:13] I've got Henry Kravitz. [32:14] I've got so many great people. [32:16] We have the greatest business people in the world in the United States. [32:18] We don't use them. [32:19] We use political hacks. [32:20] We use ambassadors. [32:21] We use Carolyn Kennedy, who's a very nice person, because my daughter likes her a lot, Ivanka, [32:26] so she has to be nice. [32:27] But she's a nice person. [32:28] She's the ambassador to Japan. [32:29] She's a primary negotiator with Japan. [32:31] She doesn't know anything about negotiation. [32:33] Ambassadors aren't the primary negotiators. [32:34] No, no. [32:34] But she's very important in that. [32:36] In Japan, the ambassador has always been a very important element. [32:40] And I'm not saying that. [32:41] I want the Carl Icons. [32:42] I want the great business people, and I know them all. [32:46] I want them to negotiate for us. [32:48] And by the way, we're going to have a different country. [32:49] If you could win as an independent, would you be more comfortable running as an independent [32:53] than as a Republican? [32:54] No, I want to run. [32:55] I get why you don't want to run as an independent, because it's not. [32:57] Well, it's more difficult. [32:58] You probably couldn't win. [32:58] It's hard. [32:59] But it's not that. [33:00] Look, somebody was asking me that question the other day times 50. [33:04] I understand. [33:04] I mean, I'm hearing it all the time. [33:05] I know. [33:06] I'm running as a Republican. [33:08] I'm leading by double digits. [33:10] So just say, I'm going to stay as a Republican. [33:12] Why is that so hard? [33:12] Because I'm not prepared to close that door yet. [33:16] But I wouldn't be surprised if someday in the not-too-distant future it happens. [33:20] They're treating me very well. [33:21] I just want to be treated fairly. [33:23] And, you know, I'm a person that believes in leverage. [33:25] I'm a natural business person. [33:27] I believe in leverage. [33:28] I would say that it's highly unlikely to ever do that. [33:32] But I just don't want to close that door yet. [33:34] I'm running as a Republican. [33:36] I'm leading as a Republican. [33:38] I will win. [33:40] I think I'm going to get the nomination. [33:41] And if I get the nomination, I think I'll be president. [33:44] And if I'm president, we're going to have a great country. [33:46] And then we will really have better than Reagan, better than anybody. [33:49] We will make America great again. [33:51] That's what it's all about. [33:52] What do you tell conservatives who say you and the Clintons are in cahoots? [33:55] Well, it's totally false. [33:56] First of all, nobody's been tougher on Hillary Clinton than me. [33:59] And when Bill Clinton called me, I had already made up my decision, you know, just so you understand. [34:03] He called me long after I had made a decision and everyone knew I was running. [34:06] So it wasn't like that. [34:08] And I think he's very disappointed that I'm running because I'm the one person that's going to beat her. [34:12] Now, I think she may not be able to run, to be honest, because this whole email thing is a horrible thing. [34:16] General Petraeus, his life has been destroyed, and he did 5% of what she did. [34:21] So assuming she's able to run, which would be absolutely, to me, a miracle at this point, I will beat her. [34:28] And I don't see the other people that are running against me currently. [34:32] You regularly call her the worst secretary of state. [34:35] I think she's the worst secretary of state in the history of our country. [34:39] Look what happened during the break. [34:39] Well, it begs the question, I'm a history buff, who was the worst before her, then, in your mind? [34:43] Well, I'll tell you who's the worst after her. [34:46] Kerry, because of what, I mean, look, who do you believe was the worst before her? [34:49] I don't want to get into names. [34:49] Well, no, because... [34:50] You know what? I'm insulting, Chuck. [34:50] I'm insulting so many people. [34:52] I don't want to insult people. [34:53] I want to be nice to people. [34:53] I understand that. [34:54] But it goes to this larger, everything with you is the best or the worst. [34:57] No, it's not that. [34:58] There's no nuance. [34:59] Chuck, during her reign, the entire world fell apart. [35:03] It fell apart. [35:04] During her reign, the entire world, look what happened. [35:07] Everything fell apart. [35:08] So the Arab Spring is on her? [35:10] Is that a fair thing, you put the Arab Spring on her? [35:12] I mean, you could sort of say maybe a little bit, right? [35:15] I mean, sort of, right? [35:16] That's a big charge. [35:16] But look at Kerry. [35:18] Why do looks matter to you so much? [35:21] You talk about it a lot. [35:22] I don't think they look, they matter so much. [35:24] Is that going to matter in who you hire as a cabinet secretary? [35:25] No, no, not at all. [35:26] Okay. [35:26] No, I don't know why you say, I mean, I own Miss Universe. [35:29] I own Miss USA. [35:31] I own, you know, agencies, model agencies. [35:33] So from that standpoint, but no, I've seen, actually... [35:37] You'll hire somebody, you'll hire somebody not based on... [35:40] What I found, actually, is that really, really beautiful people are good-looking people, [35:45] and in many cases, in most cases, don't have the edge because they've never had to have [35:49] the edge. [35:50] People that don't look so good fight harder, and they're actually better. [35:54] So looks don't matter to me so much. [35:57] All right. [35:57] I sort of was amused about this little excerpt from your Playboy interview in 1990. [36:03] The questioner asked, what does all of this meaning, talking about your yacht, the bronze [36:07] tower, the casino, what does it really mean to you? [36:09] And you replied, props for the show. [36:12] And then he said, what show is that? [36:13] And you replied, the show is Trump, and it has sold out performances everywhere. [36:18] And it has been for a long time. [36:20] Is this, are we all a part of a show? [36:22] I mean, there is some, you know, that some of the criticisms and some of, we all feel [36:25] like we're in a, are we in a reality show? [36:27] No, this is not a reality. [36:28] This is the real deal. [36:29] But our country has to be... [36:30] You did smile when I read the show, stop. [36:33] I think it's fine. [36:33] Because it resonated with you. [36:34] I mean, it's fine. [36:34] Look, my life has been an interesting life. [36:36] I've had a lot of fun, and I'm leading in the polls. [36:39] I go on your show. [36:40] You will get the highest ratings you've had in years. [36:42] I mean, it's one of those things. [36:43] Assuming people know I'm on, I mean, whatever it is, look at Fox. [36:46] Look what happened at Fox. [36:47] I mean, it's a whole crazy thing going on. [36:49] And all I care about, and this is 100% truthful, I love this country, and I want to make it [36:56] great again. [36:56] And it's not going to be great. [36:58] If we keep going the way we're going, we're going to be third world. [37:01] We probably already are. [37:02] You look at our airports, our roads, our bridges, our schools, our school system. [37:07] We're 25. [37:07] We spend more on individual students than anybody else. [37:10] We're 25 in the world. [37:12] We have to fix our country. [37:13] We have to make our country great again. [37:16] Mr. Trump, we'll have to leave it there. [37:17] A lot more to get to, but I assume I'll have you back again. [37:20] It was a great honor. [37:21] Thank you, sir. [37:21] Thank you very much. [37:22] Thank you, Chuck.