Dave Smith x Candace Owens Full Interview — Free Speech, Backlash & the State of Political Debate

[0:00] for children's books on the Amazon charts, Healthy Hibernation. [0:03] My beautiful wife, Lauren Smith, just wrote it. [0:05] It's our first children's book. [0:07] It's very sweet and it's all about just talking to kids [0:09] about eating healthy and stuff like that. [0:11] So it's not any of the controversial things [0:14] that we're about to talk about today, [0:16] but I will say I saw this this morning [0:19] and this really tickled me, [0:20] but because I've promoted it on this show, [0:23] now when you go on Amazon, [0:26] it's like if you click on my wife's adorable children's book, [0:29] you know, Amazon does the thing where it goes, [0:30] people who pre-ordered this book also read [0:34] and all of the books are like the Israel lobby [0:37] up in, by way of deception. [0:39] But it's just, anyway, okay, that was funny to me. [0:42] Moving on from talking about one mother to another one, [0:46] my good friend, Candace Owens, [0:48] who has been just on fire in a way that is hard, [0:54] almost impossible to overstate over the last, [0:56] I mean, really, look, you've been a huge force [0:58] in conservative media for many years now. [1:02] Over the last couple years after, you know, [1:04] leaving Parting Ways with the Daily Wire, [1:06] you got even bigger. [1:08] But now just over this last stretch, [1:10] you've really become the mover of the narrative, [1:15] at least on the conservative side of the aisle. [1:19] And I really, you know, I've talked to Tucker this week [1:22] and I really wanted to talk to you also [1:24] about this massive kind of cancellation attempt. [1:26] So Candace Owens, thank you so much for coming on the show. [1:30] Great to see you. [1:30] I'm so excited to do it. [1:31] One day we're going to have to do it in person, [1:33] but on your show, but I'm excited to be back. [1:36] Well, next time we're in the same city, [1:38] we'll make sure that happens. [1:40] Whoever show it's on, maybe we'll do it on your show, [1:43] seeing how big that show is these days. [1:45] I should probably be focused on that one. [1:47] It has been, there's been something that, you know, [1:50] I've been thinking a lot about this [1:51] because obviously there's been this big cancellation attempt [1:55] primarily against you and Tucker. [1:58] Although by proxy, I guess I've been caught up in it a bit. [2:00] Obviously both you and Tucker, [2:03] well, Tucker was fired from Fox News. [2:05] You were fired from the Daily Wire. [2:06] Both went on to be much bigger after getting canned. [2:10] And yet now there's this attempt again to cancel you. [2:14] And we're all kind of wondering like, from what? [2:16] Like, what would you even cancel them from? [2:18] And I just thought, you know, I was very, [2:20] I was very close friends with Joe Rogan [2:23] when he was going through that major cancellation attempt [2:26] in the 22, in the height of COVID insanity. [2:30] I was the first one on his podcast [2:32] after all that stuff really went down [2:34] and I was out doing shows with him. [2:36] And I remember at the time having this feeling [2:38] where all of them kind of hadn't admitted it yet. [2:41] The corporate media hadn't admitted [2:43] that Joe Rogan is the biggest thing in media. [2:46] They did eventually after the 2024, [2:48] but at the time it was like, so we actually like, wait, [2:50] Brian Stelter is trying to cancel Joe Rogan. [2:54] Doesn't he know? [2:56] And so anyway, as Mark Levin is openly calling [2:58] for you and Tucker's cancellation [3:00] and Dinesh D'Souza, people like this are openly called. [3:03] It is just funny because you're like objectively right now, [3:06] you and Tucker are the two biggest conservative [3:11] political commentators. [3:12] This is just undeniable. [3:14] And so their plan right now is we want to cancel number one [3:17] and number two. [3:18] This is just like, how do you even get away with doing that [3:21] when the people have already told you they're on their side, [3:24] not yours? [3:25] What's it been like for you to just kind of watch this? [3:30] Well, yesterday was a fantastic day. [3:31] I mean, to get the email from PodScribe, [3:34] number one podcast in the world. [3:37] And I don't, of course, I am humbled by it truly [3:40] because the audience is the reason. [3:42] Like this truly was a free market response. [3:45] And to go back and find the people who worked day in [3:48] and day out to ruin my life. [3:51] It wasn't like they just wanted to be gone [3:53] from The Daily Wire, which they got and they celebrated [3:56] and effectively danced on my grave. [3:58] It wasn't, they then were trying to get [3:59] my speaking events canceled. [4:01] They were the ones that put pressure on Charlie [4:02] not to let me speak. [4:03] And I said to him, dude, I got enough going on. [4:05] Like, I don't want you to also just by proxy catch a flame [4:10] because they're so, they want to cancel me. [4:12] They got me banned from Australia. [4:13] I had to cancel a tour, right? [4:15] Simply because I didn't agree with Israel [4:17] that you would think that I harmed somebody [4:20] by having a different opinion. [4:22] And I think the reason why yesterday was such a win [4:25] was precisely because they worked so hard [4:28] and tried to destroy me and we survived. [4:30] That's where their true hatred and vitriol is coming from [4:34] is the fact that we survived [4:36] a virtual assassination attempt, right? [4:38] It's like, we shouldn't have survived it, [4:40] but given everything they did, [4:42] and even the element of how they wanted me to be fired, [4:45] like the element of surprise for Tucker to be fired. [4:48] He's doing a show on a Tuesday, suddenly on a Wednesday, [4:50] he doesn't get to say goodbye to his audiences. [4:52] I really do believe even that was a part of their like [4:55] sadistic effort to be like, you are no more. [4:58] And so, yeah, it feels good. [5:00] And I'm really happy to say, [5:03] all I did was commit to the truth [5:05] and I didn't allow peer pressure [5:08] to succumb to something that's actually evil. [5:11] Like we're not even, it's like, [5:13] do you agree that Palestinians should be genocided? [5:15] No. Okay, well then you're gonna be canceled. [5:18] You're never gonna be on a Republican stage ever again. [5:20] Okay, bye, I'll just do my own show. [5:23] Okay, you're not gonna be allowed [5:25] to speak at the CPAC or the RNC. [5:27] You're not gonna get an invite to the White House. [5:29] Okay, bye, I'd like to keep my morals [5:31] and my principles in line. [5:33] If I never get to go to Mar-a-Lago again, [5:35] at least I can lay my head in the pillow [5:37] and know that I'm not cheering for children to die. [5:39] Irrespective of whether they're Palestinian or Israeli, [5:42] I'm not gonna root on children dying. [5:44] And so I think also something that's important to remember, [5:47] Dave, is these people do not believe in the free markets. [5:50] That's the number one thing to remember. [5:52] They want people to be artificially pushed [5:54] out of the free markets [5:55] so that they can say they're number one. [5:57] They love a world where, like what happens back, [5:59] what was it in 2020, [6:00] when people were getting knocked off of platforms [6:02] left and right, maybe it was earlier than that actually, [6:04] it was before Trump was president. [6:06] They love that world [6:07] where you're artificially kicking out the gateway pundit. [6:09] You're not allowed to be on Facebook anymore. [6:11] You're artificially kicking out Alex Jones trying a lot of platform. [6:14] And then they go, we're number one. [6:16] We are the number one, [6:17] most listened to conservative news podcaster. [6:20] It's like, no, you're not, there's no market here. [6:23] And that's what they want right now. [6:25] They want their markets to be restricted [6:27] so that they can be number one again. [6:29] Yeah, it is. [6:30] Well, that's right. [6:31] And because in a way, if they make, look, [6:34] if the punishment, let's say like for whatever, [6:37] like it was in the old guard where like, [6:39] if you canceled someone, that was it. [6:41] There wasn't like another, [6:42] they couldn't just go start their own podcast or something. [6:45] Like when Bill O'Reilly got fired from Fox news, [6:47] I mean, I guess he did go start a podcast, [6:48] but even back then it was like, [6:49] it just wasn't as big of a market. [6:51] And also his audience was a lot older. [6:53] They weren't getting into like the technology. [6:55] So, so he goes from being a guy [6:57] who's speaking to like 5 million people a night [7:00] to being a guy who's speaking to like 80,000 people [7:02] when he does a show. [7:03] And that's like, that sucks. [7:04] And you know, you could see where the pressure would be like, [7:09] Hey, look, are you sure you want to say this one thing [7:11] that'll piss everybody off? [7:12] Cause then you lose the right to say all the other things [7:15] that you also might think are important. [7:16] And you make people make these calculations in their mind, [7:20] but you going to number one, it's like, oh no, [7:24] not only is there not a price to be paid, [7:26] there's a reward in the market for people going like, [7:29] oh yeah, she stood up for what was right. [7:31] And as you, you talk, like when, [7:32] when you get down to the specifics of it, [7:35] you're, what you're talking about is like, I mean, [7:37] I don't know me and you've been reading the news [7:39] for two years on this. [7:40] You're talking about what children being shot at [7:44] as they desperately try to get food [7:46] because they've been starving for like, I'm sorry. [7:49] The American right wing is still made up [7:52] of a lot of Christians and a lot of people [7:54] who are just like, what? [7:55] No, they're decent people. [7:56] They're not going to go along with this. [7:58] And the thing is like, they kind of never got presented [8:01] the opportunity to hear from people [8:04] who were going to make that argument. [8:06] And you've been a part of this huge like test study [8:10] of like, well, how would it work [8:12] if there was actually a market? [8:13] And yes, I think it's, [8:15] it's incredibly rewarding for me [8:19] to see you being the number one podcast [8:21] because it just, it shows that like, [8:23] yeah, there is there, like you demonstrated [8:27] that people could have the courage to say the right thing. [8:29] And then the audience demonstrated that like, yeah. [8:31] And there's a lot of people who will have your back [8:33] if you do that. [8:34] I just think that's a great precedent to be set. [8:36] It is. [8:37] And, and I'm so grateful because I want to remind people, [8:40] you might think of me now as anti-Israel, [8:42] but when they came after my entire life, [8:45] I just wanted to learn about the topic. [8:46] I was, I actually didn't have a perspective, [8:49] but I knew that I didn't know everything. [8:51] And they were just so vicious with, no, [8:52] you have to come out and you have to say these things. [8:54] And I was like, look, I don't know anything about this. [8:56] Let me speak to some other, [8:57] like speak to other people. [8:58] Like I watched a Bassem go viral, the clip go viral, [9:02] where he was holding up the chart. [9:03] And I was going, whoa, that is kind of crazy. [9:05] Are this many Gazans dying? [9:07] Then I went back and I watched some old content [9:09] of you on Joe Rogan speaking about the topic. [9:11] Then I hosted you at the Daily Wire. [9:14] And that was a big wake up call. [9:15] And I really was coming from a place. [9:17] It's still one of my favorite episodes. [9:18] I don't think, I think they pulled all the content down, [9:20] but just learning about Middle Eastern politics, [9:23] I'm not presenting myself as an expert. [9:25] And I think that is what also the market is responding to [9:28] is at least I want to learn. [9:29] At least I am showing that I will correct where I was wrong. [9:32] I was working for PragerU, Daily Wire. [9:35] I was working with Zionists. [9:37] I obviously had no hatred in my heart [9:39] towards the Zionist cause. [9:41] And then it was just asking the question. [9:44] Like I was messaging with Max Blumenthal [9:47] because, you know, strange allies, right? [9:49] And he has done some really incredible work. [9:53] And I went back [9:54] and I found these messages from a time [9:56] where I simply retweeted Max Blumenthal [9:59] on something that he said about Kyrie Irving [10:02] that I agreed on. [10:03] So it wasn't even about Israel. [10:05] And I got messages. [10:06] Like all I can tell you is like Agent Smith. [10:08] I sent it to him. It's crazy. [10:09] Like Marissa Strait, Dave Rubin. [10:12] And I actually apologized to them [10:13] because I was like, wow, this guy must literally be Hitler. [10:15] Like I didn't know. [10:16] I just saw it trending and I retweet him. [10:18] That's what kind of goes on behind the scenes. [10:21] Like they are actually presenting themselves [10:23] as free speech thinkers. [10:24] And then they put pressure on people and tell them, [10:27] hey, even listening or retweeting Max Blumenthal, [10:30] you may not know it. [10:31] And they told me this, he's an anti-Semite. [10:33] Like he's a committed anti-Semite. [10:35] Max Blumenthal. [10:36] Like, so it's a different time now. [10:39] And that sort of, we're going to tell you what to think [10:42] and you're going to like it is not, [10:44] like people aren't buying it anymore. [10:46] No, that's right. [10:47] And I think, I think one of, [10:48] like there's a lot that's just been revealed. [10:50] And there was a lot of things about, [10:53] like even, you know, [10:55] the conservatism Inc online type people, [11:00] like Dave Rubin and Ben Shapiro and even Steven Crowder. [11:03] And like a lot of guys like this, [11:05] who really rose to prominence during the craziest woke years. [11:10] They were kind of the figures [11:11] who were speaking up against the insanity, [11:14] you know, like being like, [11:15] no, actually you're a dude in a dress. [11:16] You're not a chick. [11:17] And you know, that was necessary to some degree. [11:20] It was pretty crazy what was going on in college campuses [11:23] and the whole left wing woke-ism stuff in general was crazy. [11:27] But because that was the dynamic [11:29] and because, you know, for whatever reason, [11:32] while tons of other right-wingers [11:34] were being de-platformed, [11:35] those were the ones who weren't. [11:36] And in fact, were very pushed by the YouTube algorithm and stuff. [11:40] I mean, I remember for years, [11:41] I always hated Ben Shapiro. [11:42] And for years, YouTube was like, [11:44] I know you want to watch Ben Shapiro. [11:45] And I was like, I do not. [11:46] I've never told you that YouTube, [11:48] but YouTube kept insisting I did. [11:50] And I always, now I was aware. [11:52] Yeah, you do. [11:54] Well, I was aware of this, [11:55] as I've been talking about lately, [11:56] because I was a Ron Paul supporter back in the day. [11:58] And I remember Ben Shapiro saying like, [12:01] that Ron Paul wants to strangle Jews [12:04] and that he's a vicious anti-Semite. [12:06] And it'd be like, whoa, like, [12:07] and you realize you're like, [12:09] oh, it was easy in those years for them to pretend [12:12] like that wasn't actually all they cared about. [12:14] But actually, that's all they care about. [12:16] And I mean, all they care about. [12:18] And this has been revealed. [12:19] This is the thing with the neocons. [12:20] This is why even the, you know, [12:22] the original core neocon group, [12:24] they were all a bunch of commies, [12:27] who then became Democrats, [12:28] who then became Republicans, [12:29] and then became Democrats again. [12:31] And when they were George W. Bush Republicans, [12:35] they were like, marriage is between a man and a woman, [12:37] and our culture is getting out of crap, [12:39] because they just thought that was the best way [12:40] to get votes for their wars. [12:42] And then when Donald Trump ran against Hillary Clinton, [12:44] they went, okay, she likes the wars. [12:46] We'll go support Hillary Clinton. [12:47] Marriage, gay marriage, [12:48] anyone who's against gay marriage is a homophobe [12:51] or whatever, like, but they don't actually. [12:52] And so look, just think about it, right? [12:54] Why would someone like Ben Shapiro at the very least, [12:56] wouldn't he have liked a lot of things about Ron Paul? [12:59] Oh, he's the most fiscal conservative guy. [13:01] He's the strict constitutionalist. [13:03] He's a devout Christian who, you know, [13:05] believes in traditional values. [13:07] There's a million different things that you would look, [13:08] you would go, oh, I like a lot of his thing. [13:10] I do disagree with him on foreign policy. [13:12] Nope, he's evil. [13:14] As soon as you're not on board with Israel and Israel's wars, [13:17] you're evil. [13:18] And I think part of what happened here is that you, [13:22] just by doing what you did, [13:24] it demonstrated that not only, it's not like it went from, [13:28] like, Candace is great. [13:30] She's been heroic on all these issues. [13:32] We really disagree with her on this one. [13:34] It went, all of that's gone. [13:35] In one day, you go from being, like, our favorite person, [13:39] who we champion, who we put billboards up on, [13:41] to you are the most vicious, evil human being in the world, [13:45] for saying, you know, I just had some babies, [13:49] and I'm seeing this mom holding her dead babies, [13:51] and I'm thinking to myself, like, oh my God, [13:54] what would it be like to hold your dead baby? [13:56] Jeez, that's horrible. [13:57] Like, that's enough to make, [13:59] and just people seeing that, [14:01] like, can't pretend they're not seeing what they're watching. [14:04] It's so true. [14:06] That is how gentle it was. [14:07] I had seen, it was a dead Palestinian child, [14:10] and she looked like my daughter, [14:13] and I was going, this is crazy. [14:15] Like, this is not just a black and white issue. [14:17] I need to actually learn about this issue, [14:19] and as soon as you express a feeling, [14:20] I describe it very much, [14:21] it is a psychological operation that is meant to break you, [14:25] and they, there's no question in my mind [14:28] that they have done experiments to see, [14:29] I mean, this is really going back to what Kanye was saying, [14:33] and he's not the greatest orator of our time, [14:36] but this is what he was describing was happening [14:38] to him in Hollywood, where he was trying, [14:40] this is what he was trying to break free from, [14:41] and of course, he notoriously says, [14:43] I'm about to go DEFCON 3 on some Jews, [14:45] and they made it seem like, [14:47] he was going to come in and he was going to start like, [14:49] you know, just like lighten up Jews in Los Angeles, [14:52] but in reality, everyone ignored the fact [14:54] that Harley Pasternak was, [14:56] and this was one of the people he was referring to, [14:58] he was also referring to at that time, Scooter Braun. [15:01] Justin Bieber has now kind of said things about Scooter Braun, [15:03] who knows what's true and what's not. [15:04] I mean, I've had friendly conversations with Scooter, [15:07] so I don't have a horse in the race, [15:08] but the point is, is he was trying to say [15:11] that there is this psychological operation that sweeps in, [15:13] if you do not actually peddle certain talking points [15:17] or certain perspectives, particularly in Hollywood. [15:19] I didn't understand what he was saying at that time, [15:21] then I went through it politically, [15:23] and I was going, what is actually happening? [15:24] I mean, the peer pressure, you're going to do this, [15:27] or you're going to lose everything. [15:28] We saw that even in Charlie Kirk's text messages. [15:31] There is not a single person that bent over more [15:35] for the pro-Israel cause than Charlie Kirk, [15:38] but it wasn't enough because they were so angry, Dave, [15:41] particularly Josh Hammer was angry, Dave, [15:43] that you annihilated him in a debate on stage. [15:46] And how did you annihilate him? [15:47] I don't know, just by being a human, a human being, [15:49] I don't know, like, and Tucker Carlson gets out there [15:51] and Charlie was going through it, okay? [15:55] And that shows you, they do not care. [15:56] Everything instantly gets wiped. [15:58] And for me, the attack they always do is they, [16:02] they kind of try to make it seem like you're going crazy. [16:04] That's the wildest part to me is reading back the messages [16:07] and they're like, oh, like, you know, like, [16:08] we're your friend. [16:10] They always come at you as a friend. [16:11] Like, I care about you. [16:12] Like, are you, are you okay, Dave? [16:14] I saw you wrote that tweet about like, you know, [16:16] that Palestinian child and you said it looks sad. [16:18] Like, are you okay? [16:19] Is your marriage okay right now, Dave? [16:21] Like, are there some things going on at home, Dave? [16:23] Like, I'm your friend. [16:24] Like, you know, you could always call me. [16:26] This is their strategy behind the scenes. [16:28] And it's also their strategy in front of the scenes. [16:29] I think Seth Dillon is a literal demon. [16:31] I will never, like, I can't explain to you, [16:33] like there was something very dangerous, [16:35] like psychologically wrong with him. [16:37] And this is the, this is what they, [16:38] this is how they behave. [16:39] And it's important for people to see that. [16:41] I'm obviously at the time, it wasn't fun to go through it, [16:44] but I am, I am ever resilient on topics [16:47] when it comes to principles. [16:48] And I would rather burn everything to the ground [16:51] and make new friends. [16:52] When I realized that I am in a toxic relationship, [16:55] whether that's an employment, [16:56] whether it's a personal friendship, it has to go. [16:59] And people now know that it can be done. [17:01] You can survive it and people will be with you. [17:04] Even if it's not immediately, [17:05] they'll start to wake up and see that repeated pattern [17:08] that you always talk about, [17:09] where someone says something completely normal [17:11] and then it's like a button gets pressed. [17:14] Yeah. And just all of that, you know, [17:16] like as when I was saying back when, [17:18] back to say 2017 or 2018 or something like that, [17:21] the, the energy that Ben Shapiro or Jordan Peterson [17:26] were able to kind of take hold of [17:30] was that they were, they were the ones saying like, [17:33] you guys are afraid to debate. [17:35] You guys need to rely on censorship. [17:37] You have to rely on demonizing your, your opponent [17:40] rather than just addressing their ideas. [17:42] And now they just can never say that again, [17:44] because we saw what happened as soon as they, [17:46] their ideas got questioned [17:48] and then they all turned into the exact same thing. [17:50] And that's just, you know, [17:52] the hypocrisy like that is very hard these days [17:55] in this media environment, [17:57] in this spiritual environment, whatever exactly it is. [18:00] It's just very hard for people to keep their own lies [18:02] from being exposed. [18:04] Right. [18:05] I wanted to, obviously I want to talk a bunch about Charlie [18:09] and what, cause you've been doing a lot of shows on this. [18:12] And so it seems to me and a lot of shows that, [18:16] I mean, shows that have been some of the most highest rated [18:19] shows a part of the reason why you're the, [18:21] have the biggest podcast right now. [18:23] I remember I was, I was talking about this on the show [18:25] a few weeks ago, but I was watching one of your shows, [18:27] but I was like, I had it on my phone. [18:29] And then I was kind of like wrangling kids also [18:31] while I was doing it. [18:32] So I'm watching the show and it's live. [18:35] And there was like over 300,000 viewers live. [18:38] And then I paused it. [18:40] Cause I had to go do something with the kids. [18:42] And then I came back and like, when I came back, [18:43] the show wasn't live anymore. [18:45] But it was still like, I had it paused [18:47] where I was in the stream and I looked down and it was, [18:50] I mean, it was only 15 minutes [18:51] after the show had been live and it was over a million views [18:53] already on just on YouTube on it. [18:55] I was just like, yo, there's so many people [18:57] watching this right now. [18:58] It's really unbelievable. [19:00] And you've been, there's been something very interesting [19:02] about the way you've been covering this. [19:04] Well, I mean, look, it's a little uncomfortable to say, [19:07] but like part of what's interesting [19:08] and part of what's compelling about it [19:10] is that you're clearly, you're Candace Owens. [19:13] You're this, this pit bull who's got a hold of something [19:16] and everybody knows you're not letting go [19:17] until you shake out everything that there is in there. [19:20] Then you're also like a woman who's in deep grief, [19:22] very clearly over losing like a very close friend. [19:26] And so that's, it's just like, it's, it's very, [19:28] you know, real and human people can relate to it. [19:33] It seems to me, and I kind of want to talk to you [19:35] almost about like what you think the biggest things are [19:38] that you've revealed so far, like where we are now [19:41] if we try to put this all together. [19:43] But it seems to me the things that I, [19:45] the takeaway that I find the most interesting so far is that, [19:49] and correct me if I'm getting any of the chronology [19:51] of this wrong, but I think I got it pretty much right. [19:54] So you basically come out in the wake [19:56] of the biggest political assassination [19:58] in modern American history and a good friend of yours. [20:00] And, and you go, look, here's the deal. [20:03] Charlie was really at war with the Israel lobby [20:08] and with all of the Zionist handlers around him. [20:12] They were threatening him. [20:13] They were pulling funds from him. [20:15] He had basically gotten to the point where he was like, [20:17] I don't support any of this anymore. [20:19] And immediately that was met with accusations [20:23] of she is out of her mind. [20:24] She's lying. [20:26] This is a, I believe Josh Hammer called it [20:28] an anti-Semitic conspiracy theory. [20:30] There was all types of that. [20:32] Of course, Benjamin Netanyahu is selectively reading lines [20:35] from Charlie's letter. [20:36] Now he doesn't, by the way, he doesn't mention [20:39] that the rest of the letter, at least the rest of the letter [20:41] that we've seen produced is like the whole theme of it [20:44] is like this Hasbro bullshit is not working at all. [20:47] We need to deal with the, I'm getting killed out here [20:51] is the whole letter. [20:51] He omits that and just reads the part where it's like, [20:54] I sure do love Israel so much, blah, blah, blah. [20:56] But anyway, all of them are saying the idea [20:58] that there was a Jewish donors were pulling money [21:01] or that he was in some more. [21:03] Now, the thing that always at the very beginning [21:05] made it very believable that you were saying this is that, [21:07] well, number one, you're good friends with him. [21:09] And number two, we all saw that Megyn Kelly interview. [21:11] So like we all kind of know what's going on a little bit. [21:14] He was hosting you on stage. [21:16] I mean, if you're like so committed to the pro-Israel cause, [21:19] it got, you stay away from Dave Smith, right? [21:21] I mean, that's a pretty easy thing to not invite Dave Smith [21:23] to do a debate on stage when you know he's going to win. [21:26] Well, that was, and I mentioned this also, the thing, [21:28] there was something about me, because look, [21:30] obviously he had Tucker and he had Megyn Kelly there [21:32] who both essentially said Mossad was Epstein [21:34] and were very, you know, Tucker certainly was very critical [21:36] of the Israeli government. [21:38] But Tucker and Megyn are Tucker and Megyn. [21:41] So like you have to have them at a conservative conference. [21:43] Who could tell you you're not going to have them? [21:45] They're like legacy icons of the conservative movement. [21:49] But there was no need to have me like that was a choice. [21:52] Like that was just, you could, he could have just not invited me. [21:54] But anyway, so then this all gets exposed or this, you get attacked [22:00] for making up this nonsense. [22:01] And now all of the receipts have been produced. [22:05] That what this is just, this part, I don't even think is in dispute [22:08] by anyone at this point that yes, millions of dollars had been pulled [22:12] out of Turning Point USA over platforming Tucker Carlson, [22:16] and maybe to some extent me or whatever, and then also this, [22:20] the biggest one is this, this thread, this group chat [22:24] where he actually literally says in writing that I'm forced. [22:29] I have no choice other than to abandon Israel. [22:32] And then the other thing that is a real important detail here, [22:35] which really, you know, can't be overstated is that Charlie's [22:40] right-hand man there, I'm sorry, I'm blanking on his name. [22:43] Uh, um, Andrew, is it at a turning point at yes. [22:46] So Andrew, who I met down at that event, who was always by Charlie's side, [22:50] he, he confirmed not only that the group chat was real, that he's the one [22:55] who took the screenshot of it and that he sent it to the authorities, [22:59] which is like, look, it's just, I'm not saying that proves anything [23:02] about who done it, but it is like the fact that the closest guy [23:07] in the organization to Charlie found that information to be relevant enough [23:11] that he's like, the authorities should know that he just said [23:14] he was turning on Israel. [23:15] Now, correct me if I'm getting any of the chronology of this wrong [23:18] or if there's more stuff you want to add, but that at least is like, [23:23] that at least justifies your entire investigation into this, that you're like, [23:27] hey, you guys were saying this whole thing was crazy. [23:29] And we're at least at the point where like, no, it's pretty much confirmed [23:32] by all that that's exactly. [23:34] I was just sitting back and amazed at how quickly Bibi Netanyahu [23:41] interjected himself in this situation. [23:43] He was not a personal friend of Charlie Kirk. [23:45] Charlie Kirk obviously had an affinity for Israel throughout his career. [23:50] He, everybody knew he was changing in the end. [23:52] It was such a strange like thing that they then tried to say [23:56] that that wasn't real. [23:57] So that obviously immediately for me becomes a compelling motive [24:01] because there's no reason to lie. [24:02] This is like what I said about the Bill Ackman summit. [24:04] There's no reason to lie. [24:06] You could easily say, which is a hundred percent true, [24:08] Seth Dillon pressed him. [24:10] They did this whole meeting, Bibi Netanyahu calls, invites him to Israel. [24:13] Charlie says no, offers to fund a turning point to the next level, [24:17] which is totally normal for like a sitting prime minister of a country [24:20] that's fighting a 97,000 front war. [24:23] And Charlie said no. [24:25] Okay. [24:26] And if they had been like forthcoming and everyone had just kind of told the truth, [24:30] I would have just been like, okay, [24:31] like this is like some crazy lefty that did this. [24:33] There's just never a reason to lie. [24:35] Even if I get into a fight with Charlie day before he dies, [24:37] I would be like, I had my biggest regret is that my last words to Charlie were F you. [24:43] And this shows you life can be taken from you at any moment. [24:45] Like I am just beside myself. [24:47] They were obsessively lying, trying to bury this thing. [24:52] And it made me go, something's just not right here. [24:54] Okay. [24:55] Then I learned thanks to the turning point people, [24:57] like the younger people at the organization were just like, [25:02] there's a lot of lies being told. [25:03] Charlie was concerned about finances, particularly he didn't know where the money was coming from. [25:09] That's a very strange thing. [25:11] I saw evidence of that. [25:12] I obviously then presented the Doge email. [25:15] He seven days before he dies says, I'm going to start, you know, audit, [25:19] like a personal audit campaign inside a Doge committee inside to figure out things, [25:23] where it was going, where it was coming from and who it was going to. [25:26] That's not a normal thing for somebody to be wondering about their company. [25:29] And then they're dead. [25:30] So it was, everything was a lie. [25:33] And honestly, the one that struck me as the oddest was them lying about the Catholic thing. [25:37] Okay. [25:38] And I'm including Andrew Colbert in this, [25:40] because what's this got to do with anything I'm thinking, right? [25:42] We all know Catholic gang gang. [25:44] We knew he was going to mass daily. [25:47] Sometimes we knew he had the St. Michael pendant. [25:49] I knew that Eric had flown a priest right when he died and they're getting up here. [25:53] And they're like, no, he just liked the architecture and he would sometime that [25:57] architecture and sometimes he would go in there and because he, he just liked pretty walls. [26:03] I'm like, what is this lie about? [26:05] Right. [26:06] So I'm putting together a picture. [26:07] And the obvious thing to me, if I am a detective is you're only lying because you're hiding something. [26:13] Right. [26:13] And it seems to me like they're trying to not upset the very people that were pressuring him. [26:19] They want him to be this committed Christian Zionist. [26:22] He never faltered on it. [26:23] If you want that money to keep going, are these donors still pressuring you? [26:27] Now, why is BBNet and Yahoo lying? [26:29] I don't know. [26:30] But what I do know is we aren't getting the truth about anything. [26:32] Then you couple that with a turning point is lying, covering that could just be financial, [26:38] trying to protect the finances after Charlie, who knows. [26:40] But then you add the Fed messages that they didn't want to give us a time about. [26:47] The person's writing like they're in, you know, 1887, just young gay 20 year olds writing like [26:53] we're in 1887. [26:55] It's a nonsense. [26:56] They have no explanation for that. [26:58] I know that that makes no sense. [27:00] The persons I've got contact with the family, they're telling me that the feds are even lying [27:05] about why he turned himself in. [27:07] They basically were told, you know, we'll slam, we'll slam down your doors or you can come [27:11] in peacefully. [27:12] What are you going to do? [27:13] Like, hey, we've got you no matter what, you have two options here. [27:16] You know, he turned himself in the family friend. [27:19] I mean, there isn't a single thing they have told us, unless, you know, believe in the fantasy [27:25] of the Superman neck because Charlie ate healthy and a 30-06, which would have decapitated him [27:31] as every hunter knows. [27:33] He stopped it. [27:35] He saved lives and he stopped it. [27:37] And this was just your regular Christian miracle. [27:40] It's all nonsense, okay? [27:43] We don't know what happened, but we certainly know that what they're telling us is bullshit, [27:48] right? [27:49] And people are not, we're just so tired of being sold slop. [27:54] Another thing that struck me as very odd was they were pushing this kid, Breeland Holland. [27:59] You may have seen this, like, nice kid. [28:01] He's like young. [28:02] Yeah, yeah, yeah. [28:03] But it looks like he was made in an AI lab or something like that. [28:06] Okay. [28:06] Yeah. [28:07] Like, nice kid. [28:09] Trump mentions this kid in his speech at the memorial, okay? [28:13] Donald Trump mentions this kid who he doesn't know, and he's like, Charlie interviewed this [28:18] kid who was only in fourth grade, blah, blah, blah. [28:21] Hi, I was there for the interview. [28:23] Trump wasn't. [28:25] Why is Trump mentioning this? [28:26] It was a random side podcast that we did when we did an event down in Alabama. [28:30] Who put this in your speech, okay? [28:32] This has nothing to do with you, Trump. [28:33] You didn't even know that I was there, right, because somebody put this in your speech. [28:37] That seems to me like you're just kind of trying to set the stage for this kid who's [28:42] controlled by Israel narratives to become the new Charlie Kirk. [28:45] So it just smells, and I'm covering it meticulously, and there obviously is an emotional investment [28:51] here. [28:53] Charlie was an amazing person. [28:54] You know, he really was. [28:55] He held the line. [28:56] And when he gave an inch, like, okay, I won't have Candace, there's a reason he then said, [29:00] and now you get Dave Smith, Tucker Carlson, and everybody else who's anti-Israel. [29:03] That's how he was. [29:04] He was very strategic. [29:06] And I know he pissed off Bibi Netanyahu and his boys because he is the single reason, [29:11] okay, that we did not go to war with Iran. [29:14] You guys may think that's crazy. [29:15] It's a fact. [29:16] It's a fact. [29:16] It was a big, you know, that was a big deal. [29:18] And look, I remember it. [29:19] I remember texting him and giving him a lot of credit for it at the time because it was [29:23] like what happened was as Trump is flirting with what it turned into the 12-day war or [29:29] around the time when Israel starts first bombing and it wasn't clear whether or not we were [29:33] going to get in on it. [29:34] It was like, again, like it was you, Tucker, like all these people, Steve Bannon, there [29:42] were all these people who, I mean, like really, really influential, like high level. [29:47] I remember talking about at the time and being like, I've just never seen anything like this [29:52] before. [29:52] Like I never, this, this would be like in 2004, like Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity and Rush [29:59] Limbaugh all turning against George W. Bush's policy in the war. [30:02] Like what would that look like? [30:04] You can't even like imagine it or, or Rachel Maddow and all of them turning against Obama [30:08] or something. [30:09] You never saw, but here you have this. [30:10] And then Charlie, who was more, look, obviously he was more, he, he was in a slightly different [30:18] game than the rest of us are in. [30:19] Like he wasn't just doing a show. [30:20] He was doing a get out the vote youth organizational big tent Republican thing. [30:26] So he was always the most just pro Trump of the group. [30:30] Like not that all, all you guys might've supported Trump, but that was Charlie's identity. [30:34] And then when even he came out and was just like, no, dude, like we are not, this is not [30:40] what the Trump base wants. [30:41] Like this is not that, that is a huge look again, to some degree, it's hard to prove [30:48] the counterfactual or what influence everything had, but that made it that there was such [30:53] a political price for Donald Trump to have escalated the thing. [30:56] Like if he was saying this to his face at the white house and Charlie was, as someone [31:01] said to me, and this is a perfect way to put it, Charlie was a maestro, right? [31:05] So he would play like, I'm going, Hey, you know, Mr. President, here's why, and here's [31:09] whatever, and then he'd go and he'd call me and he'd call like Matt Gates and Tucker. [31:13] He'd be like, hammer him, hammer him, hammer him, you know, showing you like, you know, [31:17] the market does, they don't like this, whatever, whatever. [31:19] And he won like in a room full of people who wanted him to go to war with Iran. [31:24] Charlie Kirk made the difference. [31:26] And I don't take Bibi Netanyahu as someone who would take that lightly. [31:29] Right. [31:30] And I just, everything he has done since Charlie has passed, trying to assert his legacy as [31:34] he never blinked on Israel. [31:35] It makes me uncomfortable. [31:37] Okay. [31:37] Now that's a feeling and I've expressed that feeling and I, but I've also been meticulous [31:41] about delivering a timeline of the facts. [31:43] And it is very clear that some funny business started happening after the notorious event [31:48] where you and Tucker spoke at, and they were enraged and the donors were enraged. [31:52] They took millions of dollars. [31:53] And he said, after that, he said no to Bibi Netanyahu. [31:56] He said, no, I don't want your money. [31:58] I don't want to take turning point to the next level. [32:00] I've now recently, which I haven't presented yet, am learning how much money each person [32:05] at turning point lost when Bibi Netanyahu said, when Charlie said no to Bibi Netanyahu, [32:10] because they were going to get a percentage of that. [32:12] And that's interesting. [32:13] Anybody investigating a crime knows, look at financial motives, right? [32:17] Common sense, look at financial motives. [32:20] And they're emotionally manipulating us. [32:22] Like it's disrespectful to his legacy to pursue truth. [32:25] I knew Charlie. [32:26] I'm not listening to them. [32:28] You do one of two things when you go through something like that. [32:31] I suffered a real trauma. [32:32] I had to take two weeks off because I was just, I couldn't even process what was happening. [32:37] And the way they were trying to get us to just forget about it. [32:40] Dave, like, just like, move on, move on. [32:42] His legacy is he loves Israel. [32:43] It's over. [32:43] And here's what you can do if you love Charlie, donate. [32:46] Okay? [32:46] No. [32:47] I was behind turning point because Charlie was there. [32:49] He's not there. [32:50] I need to know what and who is running this organization now behind the scenes. [32:54] And I'm not going to accept that. [32:56] Okay, well, Erica Kirk, yeah, on paper, she's a chairman and she's a CEO, but you don't learn [33:00] how to be a chairman and a CEO overnight because your husband died, right? [33:03] That's just a fact. [33:04] I couldn't be a chairman and a CEO. [33:06] And I've been in business. [33:08] My husband does all that because it's not my natural interest. [33:12] You have to actually like the mundane. [33:14] You got to read the contracts. [33:15] You got to understand the LLC structures, the contractors that you're bringing in for [33:21] a company that's worth a hundred million dollars, Dave. [33:24] Like, no. [33:25] Okay. [33:25] There's some snakes in the garden and I'm here to cut the grass and figure out where they [33:28] are. [33:29] Well, and I think also people just don't, people don't understand how talented Charlie was. [33:34] And that's natural. [33:34] That's the way things work with really talented people. [33:37] Like, you don't, they make it look kind of easy. [33:38] And then everybody else kind of, you know, doesn't really, but it's like, just to be [33:42] like, people don't understand how, how good you have to be to go just like, do what he [33:48] would do and hold court with all of these students and debate a thousand different people. [33:52] And then go like, you got to be really good to do that. [33:54] But then also people in a weird way go, but Charlie did what all of us do. [33:59] And then he ran this gigantic organization, which really, I mean, really moved the needle [34:05] in a very powerful way. [34:06] In fact, might be the reason why Donald Trump is president. [34:09] I mean, there's, it's no, if you go look at the polling data from 2024, moving the youth [34:14] movement was a huge difference for Donald Trump and might, I'd have to double look at [34:18] that might've been the margin of victory. [34:20] It was a big deal. [34:21] And by the way, don't that all those youth are now going back to the Democrats, at least [34:24] that's what it looks like as of this week, which is an interesting thing to think about. [34:28] I'm not going to vote. [34:29] So there's that, you know, there is, there's, there's a real interesting dynamic there that [34:33] I kind of, that I do want to talk to you about a bit where it seems like it's almost, and [34:38] in a way, I think this was something that was one of Charlie's big concerns. [34:43] Okay. [34:44] We'll, we'll get to this as a, but you know, it was like, I know. [34:48] So essentially, right. [34:49] Like everybody started kind of releasing messages and, you know, Netanyahu is selectively reading [34:55] from the letter, Bill Ackman's releasing text messages. [34:58] You end up releasing some group checks and you had that one show where you called on, you [35:02] were like, Hey, Dave Tucker, like whatever you guys got, like, and I was like, okay. [35:05] So I looked through my text message with Charlie and not now I didn't know, we became friends [35:09] over this last year, but I didn't know him like the way you knew him. [35:12] We weren't like close like that. [35:13] But I was like, I wonder if there's, and I didn't really have much, but I had that one text [35:17] message that he did send me right after I debated Douglas Murray, where he was like, [35:21] as Murray guy was really full of shit. [35:23] And he goes, you know, I actually agree with almost all of what you were saying there. [35:27] And I did release that because I just, I do think like, look, even if let's just say there [35:33] is a thorough investigation, it gets done with, you know, there's cameras in the courtroom. [35:38] We all get to see the evidence place. [35:39] And we really are at the end of this, like eight months from now, me and you are talking [35:44] and we're like, it was Tyler Robinson and it was, you know, like, this is just, the evidence [35:48] does look like he was alone, left wing, not okay, fine. [35:53] It's still the fact is that when, when somebody, when somebody young, who's so beloved by millions [36:00] of people gets killed in such a public gruesome way and such a high profile political assassination [36:07] that people trying to hijack his legacy, like that matters. [36:12] And I'm sorry, like, if you're going to tell me that Charlie Kirk, there is no daylight [36:17] between him and Ben Shapiro or him and Josh Hammer or him and Benjamin Netanyahu. [36:22] Let me tell you what none of those guys do is text me after my debate with Douglas Murray [36:27] and go, you know, I really agreed with most of what you said there. [36:31] They don't say that you're, you're an evil enemy to them at that point. [36:35] And that wasn't Charlie's attitude. [36:36] Charlie's attitude was like, I get what you're saying, man. [36:39] Um, let's talk about this more, like we should hammer this out. [36:43] And so at the very least, even if it's not something to do with the actual like crime, [36:48] this is all still very relevant to get to the bottom of like what was going on here. [36:53] And then, of course, you're speaking to his character. [36:55] And that's what I wanted people to understand for the people that were like, oh, Charlie was [36:59] just doing whatever for Israel. [37:01] Charlie said, Charlie was pro-Israel like I was pro-Israel because he actually believed [37:04] it at that time. [37:05] He was an authentic human being. [37:06] It was not this like hardcore political idiot. [37:09] He wasn't in a cult and he was transformative. [37:11] If he thought something and he was wrong, he would change his mind and he would tell you [37:14] how he got there. [37:15] And they knew that about him. [37:16] They knew that he was not a cult member and that money was not going to be something [37:21] that was going to make him go, okay, well, I'm just going to say the thing and look like [37:24] a fool. [37:25] What Charlie wanted more than anything else was to win. [37:27] Okay. [37:27] In order to win, you have to be right. [37:29] And in order to win, you have to be right long-term. [37:33] And so Charlie would do the due diligence. [37:35] He would study things. [37:36] He would have the conversations and he was landing up. [37:40] He was just winding up on the other side of this thing. [37:42] Like I did where it's like, Hey, and that's what I said to him. [37:44] I was like, when you start looking into this, you're feeling the pressure. [37:47] You're going to see something's very wrong. [37:48] We did not have this right, Charlie. [37:50] We did not have this right. [37:51] And because he had that humility to admit that he was wrong, he no longer served their [37:55] purpose, right? [37:56] That's what you, I realized they will throw you out and coordinate behind the scenes, have [38:02] all other sycophants go after you, take quotes out of context, start with the articles. [38:06] He, this is, you know, he's flirting with antisemitism. [38:09] You know, he put on a hot dress and he saw antisemitism, whatever. [38:12] Like, that's kind of where they start. [38:15] And it's like, that's like the threat of the articles that are about to drop. [38:18] And Charlie said, no. [38:21] And so that is one of the things that makes me just so happy. [38:24] And like, you know, when I just pray, I just want him to know, like you, you died with your [38:28] soul intact. [38:29] And something that brought me, um, such peace was, um, a donor at Turning Point USA, who [38:34] was very close with Charlie said to me in the immediate aftermath, um, a soul that is in [38:40] struggle will free itself, right? [38:42] One way or the other, it will free itself. [38:43] And I think for Charlie, his soul was starting, he was starting to struggle and to [38:48] know that his last things that he said to them was like, no, F you keep your money. [38:52] Like he died a free man. [38:54] And I think that that's really important for people to know. [38:56] Yeah. [38:57] Yeah. [38:57] And like, if, if, um, I just can't imagine, you know, like say for, to Josh Hammer, who [39:03] supposedly was a close friend of Charlie Kirk's and he's, and according to him was the, which [39:10] is, I think very weird to be saying right after he died. [39:14] Like, even if this was true, I would find this very bizarre to be said. [39:17] Like if you, um, if I, if I just, uh, like the first podcast, just knowing Charlie, the [39:22] way I knew him, if I like the first, I'm so sorry, Dave Smith died. [39:25] You know, the last thing Dave Smith said to me, the last thing he said to me, we had this [39:29] conversation. [39:30] He was like, Candace, your feminism book was amazing. [39:33] And I want to go to make him a sandwich.com and buy your feminism book. [39:37] And that's, that's, it was the last loving. [39:38] By the way, and I, I like your book on feminism, but like, if I died and then you did a show [39:45] about it afterward, I'd find it kind of weird. [39:47] If that was not one show, it was his first tweet after Charlie died. [39:52] And then every time he did multiple shows about it. [39:54] Oh, my God. [39:55] And he almost, even the way he says it, like I pointed this out on the show at one point [39:59] that every single interview, he always says, um, the, uh, the horrific murder of my friend, [40:06] Charlie, just always in those words, it's always the horrific murder of my friend. [40:10] It's like, why are you talking to me? [40:12] Like you focus group says that, like, I don't want the global language dictionary here, dude, [40:17] be a human being talk about what, and, and I would just imagine like, you know, whatever [40:22] it is, like me and you, we agree on all types of types of issues. [40:25] And like, let's say like, right before, like, you know, God forbid something happened to you [40:30] then the night before you were texting with me and you were like, I don't know, Dave, [40:35] I mean, you, you know, I, I know you've been saying we should end the fed and have like [40:38] a free market and money, but I'm really thinking we need a central bank and blah, blah, blah. [40:42] And I was like, oh shoot. [40:43] Like Candace is like, you know, diverting from the thing that we agree on or whatever. [40:47] And then like, God forbid you got killed and they'd be like, oh, Candace was turning on [40:52] the idea of Ron Paulian, you know, free market economics. [40:55] I'd be like, well, you know, she was exploring other ideas. [40:58] It was a, it was a time when there was a lot of like, but to just lie, like, I would find [41:03] that to be such a betrayal of my, I'd be like, yeah, it was a shame. [41:06] I would have convinced her though. [41:08] You know, I, I, we were going to argue about it and I bet she would have come back to agreeing [41:11] with me after that. [41:12] Like, just say something like that. [41:14] Why? [41:14] Like, why, you know, there's just something very profoundly wrong about lying about. [41:19] It is demonic. [41:21] That's what I'm saying. [41:21] Most of us have something spiritually that would stop us from doing it. [41:24] So we either don't want to talk about it at all because we're embarrassed. [41:26] Right. [41:27] Like, I don't even want to talk about the fact that we were fighting, which is fine. [41:29] But to race out of the gate before anybody even cares about what your last conversation [41:34] was and to lie about his state of mind, to lie about, and knowing he was feeling so much [41:40] pressure too. [41:41] Like, he was like hurting over this. [41:42] Like, you know what I mean? [41:43] And you just lie. [41:44] There is something spiritually wrong with Josh Hammer. [41:47] So I don't even, I don't even accept that. [41:48] Like, oh, like it's, it's disgusting. [41:50] It's wrong. [41:50] It's like, no, this is actually demonic. [41:52] Okay. [41:53] A regular human being can't do that. [41:55] There's certain things you just go, oh, I'm sorry. [41:57] I just, I, that makes me really uncomfortable to do something like that. [42:00] And you could see that. [42:01] That's why Megan Kelly, I didn't, I didn't expect her to be, you know, such a stalwart [42:05] on this thing. [42:05] And she was like, no, he was definitely going through something towards the end because [42:09] he died. [42:09] And that normal spiritual thing came on where Megan was like, hey, these lies are actually [42:14] not, I'm not okay with it. [42:15] And I want to make sure the truth gets out there. [42:17] And so it did present an opportunity for people to see that we're not being dramatic when [42:23] we say that these people are evil. [42:25] Like that is an evil to do that to your quote unquote friend, to lie about him because you [42:32] want to protect your identity, um, as a, you know, a pro Israel psychopath, which is kind [42:38] of what he is. [42:39] It's a pro Israel psychopath. [42:40] There's not the other way to say it. [42:41] Yeah, pretty much. [42:42] Um, and yeah, I should, I should go out of my way, as you said that just to give some [42:46] credit to Megan Kelly, cause she has been really solid on this. [42:49] And obviously like, you know, there's, there's, you know, I've always liked Megan and I've [42:52] done her show a few times. [42:54] Um, and I, I've always liked her. [42:56] Um, there's always a lot of issues I disagree with her about, I'm sure, but just like having [42:59] the basic principle of being like, no, I'm not going along with this, this like mob and [43:06] saying, I'm supposed to now throw my friends under the bus and pretend this whole thing [43:10] where we're supposed to pretend the people who were like you, everybody loved five minutes [43:15] ago are now, now just like, you know, possessed by evil almost, you know, it was so, I thought [43:20] it was so funny listening to, um, to Mark Levin and Lindsey Graham at this, uh, this, uh, [43:27] genocide, uh, fest 2025, um, where they're all just, they're like, you know, like if you, [43:35] if you were to hear them talk about it, it's like, dude, just, I guess everybody just got [43:41] possessed by Israel hatred over the last couple of years and nothing else was going on in [43:46] the news with Israel, Candace. [43:47] It's just that, I don't know. [43:49] So everybody just kind of there, I guess Qatar must've sent a lot of money around and then [43:54] everybody fuck, it was just all, you know, all, all that's what happened is that like [43:59] all these people like Candace Owens and Tucker Carlson and all the people who had been household [44:03] names now for many, many years, who, you know, is very successful at the top of the conservative, [44:08] most popular like commentators. [44:10] They, yeah, they all just sold out their soul for Qatari money and just, and, and everyone [44:15] and their whole audience is possessed by it too. [44:17] And nothing, and then they just like, they just leave out that part where like, you guys [44:22] committed a genocide in 4k and forced us to pay for it. [44:24] Like, you don't think that had a little bit to do with this. [44:27] You don't think that had something to do with where we're at today. [44:30] And this, this like, you know, so one of the things, this is what I was getting at before, [44:34] because Charlie was, Charlie was a movement guy. [44:37] Charlie was a big tent guy. [44:38] Charlie was a guy who wanted to find a way for us to not lose. [44:42] To like the crazy progressive leftists. [44:45] And you've heard this brought up a lot by Mark Levin and by Ben Shapiro and people like [44:50] that over this last week, you know, we just had an election. [44:53] The Democrats had a good night. [44:55] You go, look, there's this infighting on the right. [44:58] And so if we keep doing this, we're going to end up losing and AOC is going to be president [45:02] or something like that. [45:03] Now, of course they just take it as a given that like, I guess we're just supposed to [45:06] shut up and they get their way. [45:08] That's which is, you know, like, why is that the way it works? [45:10] But at a certain point, I actually think they're in a sense, they're right about that one argument. [45:17] And Charlie was right to like, be concerned about this. [45:20] But here's the thing, right? [45:22] And you being number one, you and Tucker are the biggest two. [45:26] You're the biggest two conservative people in the news. [45:29] And like, then the, as, as Charlie noted, as Megan Kelly's noted, nobody under, under 30 [45:36] supports Israel anymore. [45:38] Barely anyone under 40 supports Israel anymore. [45:40] It is essentially my point is that you're right. [45:44] We, if we fracture up this coalition, we'll end up losing to the Democrats. [45:48] But the only way, the only way to overcome that and win is to obviously go with the wind. [45:54] It's like, it's like saying in 2016, hey, there's a big divide between Donald Trump and [46:00] the entire GOP establishment on immigration. [46:03] They want open borders and he wants to build a wall. [46:06] And it's like, yes, but you've got him and 100% of the base against you. [46:11] So the only option here is to go with his immigration policy and then you could win the election. [46:15] And I do think this all comes down to the war party and to Israel, which are kind of, [46:20] you know, one in the same in this country and it's like JD Vance, you can embrace that [46:25] and lose, or you can come over here with the people and have a real shot of winning. [46:30] What do you want to do? [46:31] Look, we have the Republican party, we have a Democrat party, and then we have the Nesset [46:35] party and they're in, they've infiltrated both of the parties actually. [46:38] And what's happening right now is left and right. [46:40] People are saying no to that. [46:42] The reasons might be different, but it's a populist movement one way or the other. [46:46] And it's hilarious to me that they think after me watching Charlie Kirk get assassinated, [46:53] them spitting in our face and telling us that it's raining about everything that happened here, [46:58] the viciousness that they themselves directed toward me in the aftermath. [47:03] I mean, people are like, they tried to say that I didn't even like know Charlie. [47:07] I mean, it was so, they were so intent on making sure that not one drop of Candace being anti-Israel [47:13] was a part of his legacy, but they just lied. [47:15] They lied in a way that for the grief that I was going through, like, I'm not a crier. [47:19] I mean, it was like, it was a lot. [47:21] You know, I couldn't eat, I couldn't sleep. [47:22] It was a lot for me to go through. [47:24] And I look back and I'm like, wow, the nastiness of them doing this. [47:28] And then like a couple of weeks later being like, and now we demand you tell your audience [47:32] to go vote for who we want you, who we want them to vote for. [47:36] Yeah. [47:36] F you, F you. [47:39] I am not doing anything. [47:41] Okay. [47:41] Here's the way it works. [47:42] And here's how common sense is. [47:43] Okay. [47:44] You tell me I can do this job. [47:46] I can, I can, I can build your house. [47:48] I can do this. [47:49] I hire you. [47:49] Okay. [47:50] I get behind it. [47:50] I say, okay, I hire you go do that job. [47:53] You then don't do it. [47:54] You look at me and you say, Epstein who? [47:57] Okay. [47:58] You, you're at the top of the FBI and you say, oh, these are the real messages. [48:03] You're blocking people as cash Patel is from looking into a Tulsi's team and, and, and [48:08] Joe Kent, you saw this playing out in the news. [48:10] They won't even let them look into whether or not foreign people could have been involved [48:14] in this. [48:14] And then you're like, and now go get out more people to vote so that we stay in power. [48:19] Nobody. [48:20] Okay. [48:20] In your famous words, you're fired as far as I'm concerned. [48:23] Okay. [48:24] And so I don't know what's around the corner, but I do know that my platform is not yours. [48:30] Okay. [48:30] My platform belongs to the truth left and right. [48:32] Okay. [48:33] And so it was just incredible to me. [48:34] They were like, and not even that, they were like, get out people and tell them to vote [48:38] against mom, Donnie and to like, you know, get behind and if you want to do it, that's [48:41] your thing. [48:42] But I'm telling you, I'm not doing anything because for me, life stopped, political life [48:47] stopped when Charlie Kirk was murdered and you wanted me to move on. [48:49] I'm not moving on from it. [48:50] I, by the way, it wasn't because of Nick Fuentes and, um, Tucker Carlson sitting down that [48:56] MAGA got splintered. [48:57] It got splintered when you said Epstein who? [48:59] So that's it literally for me on my show, when I said, okay, what is this? [49:04] Did the swamp, the Loch Ness swamp monster come up and swallow the MAGA party? [49:08] Actually, who is the Loch Ness monster? [49:10] I think it's Israel. [49:11] Okay. [49:12] I think it's Israel actually. [49:13] And if Trump suddenly joined the never Trump party, which he did, right? [49:18] Trump joined the never Trump movement. [49:20] That's what's happening right now. [49:21] And now they're trying to tell us to join it. [49:22] I'm good. [49:23] I was, I've always been against the never Trumpers and I'm going to stay that way. [49:26] Even if Trump has joined them. [49:28] Yeah. [49:28] Well, there's okay. [49:29] I really, that's such an important point. [49:31] And so I want to, but I just real quick before I get to that, I just do want to say, and I [49:35] made this point, uh, last night I was on, um, on my, my buddy, uh, Clint Russell's podcast, [49:41] uh, Liberty lockdown. [49:42] Oh, Clint Russell, by the way, criminally underrated. [49:44] He's great. [49:45] So it was me, him and Ian Carroll, uh, and we did, uh, yeah, well, it was a great show. [49:51] I think I, I, uh, I bowled over everyone. [49:53] I talked too much on the show. [49:54] I apologized for it afterward. [49:55] And I was like, I bet I'm going to get shit in the comments for this. [49:57] And I did today. [49:58] So sorry about that guys. [49:59] It was late. [50:00] I'd had a couple of whiskeys. [50:01] I was ranting a bit. [50:02] Um, but it was a great show and you should go subscribe to Clint Russell's channel if you [50:06] get a chance. [50:07] Um, but I said this to them on that show and I wanted to just make sure I say this again while [50:11] you're on, on my show that look, I don't know everything about everyone here, but one thing [50:14] I do know is over this last year, I mean, me and you have become friends over the last [50:18] couple of years. [50:19] Me and Charlie became friends over this last year from hanging out with both of you. [50:23] And I remember talking to you cause you know, we'd all talk about all this stuff. [50:26] And I remember talking to you about Charlie years ago, uh, uh, when we were hanging out [50:31] and you were just, just had nothing. [50:33] You were like, Charlie's the greatest guy just had nothing, but like, I love him to death. [50:36] He's the greatest guy ever. [50:37] And I talked to Charlie about you briefly when we were down at the, uh, the student, some student [50:44] action summit, whatever the big event where me and Tucker, uh, Megan were, and literally [50:47] just all he had to say was how much he adored and loved you. [50:50] Like, so the idea of people go in like, there was this distance that had been growing between [50:54] like, okay, actually I know both of them. [50:56] You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. [50:58] That's just a fact. [50:59] And I really, I genuinely challenge anybody, anybody in Charlie's inner circle. [51:02] Tell me the wrong. [51:03] Even I, I swear, even, uh, um, Josh hammer wouldn't have the goddamn balls. [51:09] He would, but he's lying. [51:10] Um, so that's one thing, but then on this other thing, you know, it's, uh, it's very [51:14] interesting and you know, that you're absolutely right that it really was the Epstein thing. [51:18] I said this at the time too, that people do not understand how profound what he's done [51:23] here is to, to, and it may not even show up in a, in a poll. [51:28] You know, I mean, his numbers did go down after that, but I'm not sure the polls can, [51:32] because a lot of people who support Donald Trump, they supported him. [51:36] They voted for him. [51:37] Um, if you asked him, they'd probably still say, and do you support Donald Trump? [51:40] Yeah, I'm a Trump guy. [51:41] I'm not a Kamala Harris Democrat or something, but the energy and the loyalty and the enthusiasm [51:48] were just tremendously degraded by, by him is the whole political raison d'etre of Donald [51:55] Trump was to drain the swamp. [51:57] And this is the swampiest of the swamp, a pedophile ring connected to government and foreign intelligence [52:02] assets. [52:03] This, and, and I will say weirdly that at that event, um, which it was a thing that in [52:12] a way I think saved me because Josh Hammer, which was somewhat crafty of him, um, cause [52:17] it's the best he's going to do debating me. [52:19] But so what he did for the whole opening of his statement was, you know, like, I'm, I'm [52:24] a me. [52:25] So I get up there and I'm like, the neoconservatives were a marriage of the Israeli lobby and the [52:30] military industrial complex. [52:31] And their clean break strategy is what we embarked on after nine 11. [52:35] And that's, this is the war in Iran. [52:36] It's the culmination of the seven countries in five years and all this shit. [52:40] And then his whole opening statement is just every nasty thing I've ever said about Donald [52:45] Trump and just look, Hey, Charlie Kirk turning point audience. [52:50] We love Trump. [52:51] How about this guy? [52:52] He don't love Trump. [52:53] And that was, which is a powerful way to, to win over an argument. [52:57] I mean, it's a lame and a dishonorable way to do it, but it is how politics works. [53:03] You know, you get these people like, well, what do you want to be? [53:06] You want to be a leftist Kamala Harris supporter? [53:07] You go, Ooh, no, we're not that okay. [53:09] We'll be the other thing. [53:11] And then I just went, yeah, I'm talking about the guy who just covered up the Epstein story. [53:15] Sorry. [53:15] I'm going to criticize that guy. [53:16] And the whole crowd was back with me because there was something about that moment. [53:19] I had this experience recently where I did Steven Crowder's podcast. [53:23] And that's all we had this debate. [53:24] All he tried to argue with was you called for impeaching Donald Trump. [53:28] You said Donald Trump's a war kernel, you, and then someone showed me the other day, [53:31] go look through the YouTube comments. [53:34] Everybody's reject, like everyone's like now, like it's, it's kind of like, look, [53:37] the, the Trump loyalty thing is played out. [53:42] They are public servants. [53:44] They work for us. [53:45] I'm loyal to God. [53:46] Yeah. [53:47] I'm loyal to God. [53:48] I'm loyal to my wife. [53:49] I'm loyal to my friends, not loyal to an administration. [53:52] And to your point, it's like, this is not, and JD Vance or whoever it is, is not going [53:57] to have that type of loyalty from a lot of us either. [53:59] Like you got to deliver on what we want. [54:02] Like, and what we want is not bombing Iran and threatening to overthrow Venezuela. [54:06] We didn't want war. [54:08] And we were totally fine. [54:10] Like the pro-Israel, he's always been pro-Israel, but it wasn't a relevant topic in the way that [54:13] it is today. [54:14] Like, are you going to stand up when Bibi Netanyahu says that he wants, immediately wants [54:17] your bombers to go take out. [54:18] And like, you just go do it and you were going to do more. [54:21] If Charlie Kirk didn't stop it, you were actually going to do more. [54:24] Okay. [54:25] That seems pretty corrupt to us. [54:27] Like the way that Bibi Netanyahu is just on camera being like, we're going to take over. [54:31] I need this deal to go through with TikTok. [54:33] I got, and you're not saying anything. [54:35] You were supposed to be the free speech enthusiast and you're going after college kids. [54:38] You got Pam Bondi, who's like blanking us when it, on, on Jeffrey Epstein, but responding [54:44] to like a kid that gets shoved by a girl, like on a college campus, he's wearing an [54:50] IDF. [54:50] So he's basically like wearing an IDF shirt, asking for it. [54:53] And a girl gives him a little shove and it requires Randy Fine and Pam Bondi to respond [54:57] within minutes. [54:58] You can't figure out the Epstein thing, but we've got like literally an Amber alert. [55:02] The feds are like able to answer quickly. [55:04] I'm sorry. [55:05] This is a joke. [55:06] This is not what I voted for. [55:07] And you're not going to struggle Sashimi into the, they're like using the ghost of Charlie [55:10] Kirk. [55:11] This is what Charlie would want. [55:13] This is what Charlie would want. [55:15] It's like, was I born yesterday? [55:17] I don't know. [55:17] But all I know is that I don't care what happens. [55:20] You're going to have to work for our vote. [55:21] When we elect you, we elect you for a certain job. [55:23] You don't deliver on that job. [55:25] Joke's on you. [55:25] And I think right now the Trump family is feeling that, you know, you see that they [55:30] are, I think probably now in retrospect, realizing how significant Charlie Kirk was because [55:35] he was damning that, right? [55:36] Because we, everyone, even if you disagreed with him, play, people would play his clips. [55:40] There was a level of respect that people had for Charlie Kirk because they sensed his [55:43] authenticity. [55:44] He was authentic and you would sense that he would get stressed when he was being pressed [55:47] not to be authentic. [55:49] And that's now removed. [55:51] And all we have are these puppets. [55:54] And I'm, I'm including Trump amongst this. [55:56] He has let his base down and stop blaming Nick Fuentes. [55:59] Okay. [56:00] I'm not a Nick Fuentes fan. [56:02] Why can't Nick Fuentes have a platform? [56:04] Why can't he have a conversation? [56:05] Why can't he talk to Dave Smith and Tucker? [56:07] The free market works like this, by the way. [56:09] Okay. [56:09] If his ideas suck, then Nick Fuentes will be beaten to free markets. [56:13] I don't need Nick Fuentes censored. [56:15] I need you to actually deliver on your promises so that Nick Fuentes doesn't have, he wouldn't [56:19] have a platform unless you guys were lying about something, right? [56:22] Like you're lying about something where people feel like they're not getting the truth from [56:26] this person and they're going and they're listening to more of Nick Fuentes. [56:29] They sense that you're a liar. [56:31] And so stop talking to me about this is Nick Fuentes is the Gripers, you know, the, the [56:36] anonymous frogs, you know, this is their fault. [56:37] No, this is your fault for not delivering on your promises. [56:41] And one of those big promises was to protect speech. [56:44] Okay. [56:44] And we see what you're doing, redefining antisemitism. [56:48] Well, also look again, there's a certain point, you know, this was actually, it's funny [56:51] because my, my, my friend, uh, Daryl Cooper, when he was on Tucker Carlson, he had this [56:57] big controversy over people totally misconstruing the thing that he was saying, but if you actually [57:02] listen to the thing that he was saying, what he was saying was that, look, the, he goes, [57:09] even if you want to take the most generous interpretation of Adolf Hitler, if you want [57:13] to find a way to try to be on his side, he's responsible for the people who died under [57:18] his custody. [57:18] And the point he was ultimately making was like, look, Israel, if you launch a war in [57:23] Gaza and you don't have a plan for how to protect, protect the civilians there, then [57:27] you're responsible for their death. [57:28] Like it doesn't matter in a sense, whether you shot them in the head or in the same sense [57:34] where like, if you kidnap someone and you, you lock them in your basement and just don't [57:38] feed them. [57:39] And then they die. [57:40] You murdered that person. [57:41] You didn't just kidnap them. [57:43] Now, now you kidnapped and murdered them because you're responsible for that. [57:46] It doesn't matter if you lock them down there and shot them in the head or just let [57:48] them starve to death. [57:49] You still put them in the situation where, so that was his point. [57:51] And likewise to Donald Trump, it's like, whether you even know about any of this or [57:56] not, you're still doing it. [58:00] You've allowed your administration to be taken over by these guys. [58:03] Now, look, I mean, I don't even think to use an example about me, right? [58:06] Like, I don't think that Donald Trump watched my debate with Douglas Murray and then decided [58:12] to promote Douglas Murray's book the next day. [58:15] But somebody who's got access to Donald Trump's Twitter or whatever decided to the next day [58:21] promote this book after it was like this. [58:23] And OK, whatever. [58:24] Like, I didn't care. [58:25] I kind of took that as a feather in my cap. [58:26] Like, yeah, you got to call in the big dogs to try to get us out of this. [58:30] But at the end of all of this, whatever it is, it's like the Trump administration here [58:36] has obviously been much more captured by Netanyahu and Mark Levin than by Candace Owens. [58:45] Yes, it's occupied. [58:47] Everybody can see this is an occupied administration. [58:50] And I love how they're trying. [58:51] I think right now I'm trending on X over this. [58:52] So Candace Owens says she regrets her vote. [58:54] You're not going to shame me for saying everything you're doing is unacceptable. [58:59] Try a mom on the Epstein stuff. [59:01] OK, try a mother. [59:02] If you think I care more about loyalty to the MAGA cause than I care about pedophiles [59:07] in positions of power getting away with it, you are out of your mind. [59:11] You must have not listened to a single second of the Candace Owens podcast. [59:15] You must have never listened to a thing I've ever said. [59:17] If you think that I am that blind and dumb and loyal to any person, left or right, that [59:22] I'm going to go, OK, we got to let pedophilia go. [59:25] OK, we got to just move on. [59:26] It's a hoax. [59:27] You know, I know he actually went to prison for it. [59:29] OK, but it's a hoax. [59:31] And let's move on to admit a Democrat hoax. [59:33] I mean, it is just it's so insulting. [59:35] And you are correct that you know that some of these things are coming from people around [59:39] to him, like immediately tweeting out, it was so disrespectful when Charlie died, a [59:43] photo of Charlie AI. [59:44] Do I think Donald Trump hopped on AI and made this photo of Charlie and him holding the [59:50] Israeli-American flag combo? [59:53] No, but I'm sorry. [59:54] If you're not capable enough to control the people around you, then you shouldn't be in [59:58] a position of power. [59:59] OK, I don't get to if something goes out on my account. [1:00:03] Right. [1:00:03] And and people go, oh, this guy, I don't get to go, oh, well, you know what? [1:00:07] My producer had access to that. [1:00:09] It's like, OK, but that's your account. [1:00:11] So you take the blame. [1:00:13] OK, the captain goes down with the ship and we don't even know who's in control, but we [1:00:18] know it's not Trump. [1:00:18] So this is effectively like the Biden administration, but totally actually worse because Trump has [1:00:23] his wits about him. [1:00:24] Right. [1:00:25] So with Biden, at least we knew that he had dementia before they admitted it. [1:00:30] At least we knew he wasn't in control the whole time. [1:00:33] It's almost worse because Trump doesn't have dementia, because Trump is actually sharp [1:00:37] and he is aware and he is still occupied and somebody else is calling the shots. [1:00:41] Yeah, that's that's right. [1:00:43] And the fact that you, you know, these guys who all of them, you know, like I've had this [1:00:51] experience where, like I said, Josh Hammer, that's how he tried to debate me. [1:00:53] That's how Stephen Cratter tried to debate me. [1:00:55] This guy's not pro-Trump. [1:00:56] We're the pro-Trump side. [1:00:58] Ben Shapiro did like several segments on me over the years. [1:01:01] And the running joke was that he would never say my name. [1:01:03] He would do segments, not just like me on your show or me on Rogan's show or like on [1:01:08] my show, like he would do segments of my show and still go this comedian who evidently says [1:01:12] he's a libertarian. [1:01:13] Like he would never say Dave Smith. [1:01:14] It's very complicated name, but he would never say it. [1:01:16] Uh, but so, but then the first time he ever said my name was when I called for Trump to [1:01:20] be impeached after he launched the war in Iran. [1:01:23] And then he goes, here's Dave Smith calling to him. [1:01:26] And like, all I'm saying is like, you look at these Mark Levin and Ben Shapiro and Stephen [1:01:31] Crowder. [1:01:31] And so all of them, they were all the never Trumpers. [1:01:35] Like how stupid does everybody have to be? [1:01:38] What do you not remember? [1:01:39] The national review piece, never Trump in 2016. [1:01:42] They stayed never Trumpers. [1:01:45] They were pro DeSantis law. [1:01:48] So they haven't won the person that they have wanted to put in office. [1:01:51] They have not had a winning philosophy. [1:01:54] And now all of a sudden they're like trying to convince us that they're MAGA. [1:01:57] I actually don't understand it. [1:01:59] It's quite confusing. [1:02:01] Half of them pushed the Russiagate hoax. [1:02:03] These were never Trumpers and they were never Trumpers for a reason. [1:02:07] Like people just be like smart enough to see this for one second. [1:02:10] Because it's funny when they come at me, because look, I'm not like, I voted for Trump this [1:02:14] last time. [1:02:14] I sat out the first two. [1:02:15] I've always been like, but the thing is, because I'm to the MAGA of him. [1:02:20] I'm to the non-intervention of him. [1:02:22] Like when Donald Trump came out and said, we're not going to fight these wars, Iraq, you [1:02:26] lied us into Iraq, blah, blah, blah, but we'll still bomb them and we'll take the oil and [1:02:30] we'll do this. [1:02:31] I went, nope, too much. [1:02:32] That's still too much intervention for me. [1:02:34] Now they rejected him because he was saying we shouldn't be so interventionist. [1:02:38] I was over here, like you should be even more non-interventionist than that. [1:02:41] Like I want you to be Ron Paul. [1:02:43] And so for them to sit here and say, it's like, yeah, dude, you guys all fought him [1:02:48] over this, over him signaling more in our direction of foreign policy, which is that [1:02:55] we don't want to fight all these stupid wars. [1:02:57] And it's like, yeah, they're trying to use this energy. [1:02:59] It's like, so what do you guys want to do? [1:03:00] You want to run on Mark Levin's platform? [1:03:03] You want to run on Jeb Bush's platform? [1:03:06] That's 1% in the polls, man. [1:03:08] It's like, so they have to almost rely on running like us, but then, you know, like trying to, [1:03:14] I don't know, demonize all of us or something. [1:03:16] Infiltration. [1:03:18] They have to like pretend, pretend, and then infiltrate and then try to force like neocon, [1:03:22] you know, pro-military, pro-intervention, non-stop bombing of some countries so we can [1:03:27] steal their resources and pretend that there was some moral democratic reason that we were [1:03:31] there and people are awake to it. [1:03:33] So I do wonder, it seems like they're playing checkers. [1:03:36] It's nobody's believing that your original MAGA, I mean, it's such a weird thing. [1:03:40] It's like, they're like, the problem are these people who actually got Trump elected when [1:03:44] we were attacking him. [1:03:45] Like the problem are these people, they're so extreme. [1:03:47] It's, we're right back. [1:03:49] It's, I'm like, it's, we're hamsters on a wheel, right? [1:03:51] We are just right back to the beginning here and we're the basket of deplorables. [1:03:55] Okay. [1:03:56] Let's go. [1:03:57] Like who's the, and now it's like Trump, I guess, like I said, has joined never Trump. [1:04:01] Or is being controlled by the never Trump movement. [1:04:03] It doesn't matter. [1:04:04] Our eyes are clear on this. [1:04:06] We know what we voted for. [1:04:08] We know why we got behind Trump and we know that we're not getting it. [1:04:10] We're getting like Bitcoin stuff that he's like pushing and which is like completely [1:04:15] crazy. [1:04:15] And like, by the way, also you are taking advantage of people that believe in you the [1:04:20] most. [1:04:20] All of it is just so wrong and it's so icky. [1:04:23] We're aware of the deals that Jared is doing while you call us funded by Qatar. [1:04:27] The deals that Jared is doing in the middle East with Qatar and Israel, they think we're [1:04:32] this dumb. [1:04:33] And I'm going, wow, like, did you always think we were this dumb or actually is it because [1:04:37] you're occupied by the never Trumpers and the never Trumpers have been explicit in the [1:04:41] fact that they think that Trump people are dumb, but we're not this dumb. [1:04:44] Okay. [1:04:45] The MAGA original MAGA party is not this dumb. [1:04:47] We're aware of what you're doing. [1:04:48] We're aware of the infiltration and we are not going to support that. [1:04:50] Yeah. [1:04:51] And the sad thing is, as, as Tucker said, uh, when he was on my show a few days ago, [1:04:55] he said, you know, if you really ran on an America first message, it's going to be enormously [1:05:00] popular and not just with the right wing. [1:05:02] I mean, you could carry half the left wing on that message too. [1:05:05] Maybe not all of them, but you could carry a whole lot of independence and, and liberals [1:05:09] and leftists. [1:05:09] If you just said, Hey, look, here's the platform, like a separation, you know, in the same way [1:05:14] we had like a separation of church and state or anything like that, you go a separation [1:05:17] of Israel and DC, a separation of Tel Aviv and DC is like a great thing to run on that, [1:05:23] that you could get tens of millions of, of Americans to rally around. [1:05:27] That's just it. [1:05:27] Our goal here is just the platform is we're not going to fight stupid wars. [1:05:31] We're not going to have open borders. [1:05:33] We're not going to, we're going to start spending within our means. [1:05:36] Like what, what, how much tax revenue do we bring in every year? [1:05:38] That's what we can spend. [1:05:40] Okay. [1:05:40] We can't borrow and print the money. [1:05:41] And I will say, and this, this will be the last thing I say, and then I'll, I'll give you [1:05:44] the final word. [1:05:45] Um, I do see, you know, like as, as mom, Donnie wins and, you know, Ben Shapiro and people [1:05:50] like that are going, when, when did you guys spend any time attacking mom, Donnie, you know? [1:05:55] And it's like, Hey, look, well, look, I would love in a way to argue with a, with a communist [1:06:00] who wants to be mayor of New York city. [1:06:02] You know, it's like, the problem is that you guys made the whole argument. [1:06:06] You've never visited Israel. [1:06:07] And then you go, Oh, you picked the argument that he was right on, that he was, that he was [1:06:12] strongest on was rejecting all of this shit. [1:06:15] Oh, sorry. [1:06:15] You won't even pledge to be a genocidal demon like us. [1:06:18] Like, yeah. [1:06:19] Okay. [1:06:19] Well, I actually kind of liked that about him. [1:06:21] But the thing about it is, is that if we don't like, and this has always been my thing [1:06:26] that I've been beating forever. [1:06:27] It's like Ron Paul's whole thing was what, like he, it was end the fed and a gold standard [1:06:32] and sound money. [1:06:33] And why was it that the most anti-war libertarian was always talking about sound money? [1:06:38] Because that's the whole game here. [1:06:39] Now you let all these Democrats talk about unaffordability, well, what is unaffordability? [1:06:45] What is, what is, but that's currency debasement. [1:06:48] It's another way of saying the shit that the libertarian Ron Paul guys have been saying for [1:06:52] all this time. [1:06:52] But the reason why Ben Shapiro or Mark Levin or none of them could ever utter those words [1:06:58] out of their mouth, even though they're supposed to be fiscal conservatives is because, you [1:07:04] know, you need that type of monetary policy to have a world empire. [1:07:06] And that's the only way that you can fight all Israel's wars is if you keep devaluing [1:07:10] the currency, because we can't afford them. [1:07:12] The American people aren't going to be taxed enough for it. [1:07:14] This being a, being the world empire is the biggest of big government programs. [1:07:18] It's over a trillion dollars a year we spend maintaining the empire. [1:07:22] And so while, while Donald Trump is stuck doing all of this shit overseas. [1:07:29] He's had to print a ton of money in this first year. [1:07:31] And so what's happened with prices? [1:07:33] They've just gone up even more, even more than from the Biden years. [1:07:36] And so anyway, the point is like, we really are in a moment here where it's like, do you [1:07:41] guys want the socialists to win or do you want to keep fighting wars for Israel? [1:07:46] Or like you get both of those, right? [1:07:48] Like you get, it's your choice is preserve liberty in the United States of America or fight [1:07:53] Israel's wars. [1:07:55] Right. [1:07:55] That's exactly right. [1:07:56] And, and I just say to people, what you can do is you can control your own household. [1:08:00] Like I would never allow my sons to sign up for the military when it's the decisions are [1:08:03] made in Tel Aviv of whether or not they're going to die. [1:08:05] So all this raw, raw, pro-American, no, it's not, it hasn't been pro-American in a very [1:08:08] long time. [1:08:09] We see that. [1:08:10] We saw that recently. [1:08:11] And the reality is, is they need America because they don't have enough bodies. [1:08:14] They have enough corruption. [1:08:15] They have enough evil. [1:08:16] They don't have enough bodies. [1:08:17] And this is why they're trying to commit you to their cause ideologically, because you are [1:08:21] the slaves that are supposed to go over and die. [1:08:23] Um, you know, when they drop bombs and say that they're spreading democracy, but they're [1:08:26] actually in Afghanistan, having people guard the poppy seeds so that they can cause the [1:08:31] opioid crisis. [1:08:31] Right. [1:08:32] Like you're fighting for the Sacklers, the Sackler family. [1:08:34] You're not fighting, uh, because you're up against the Taliban. [1:08:37] All that's nonsense. [1:08:38] And people are waking up to that. [1:08:39] Uh, another way. [1:08:40] And this is what I say all the time on my podcast, pull your kids out of the, out of, [1:08:44] out of their schools. [1:08:45] Okay. [1:08:45] Homeschool. [1:08:46] They get so much power by being able to infiltrate their minds when they're young. [1:08:49] That's why they are obsessed with the youth generation. [1:08:51] And guess what? [1:08:52] That's already winning. [1:08:53] There's a reason why they now want to pass homeschool laws. [1:08:56] They're trying to demonize homeschoolers is because COVID woke parents up to like, [1:09:00] whoa, why do I have not even control over my kid's body? [1:09:02] Forget the mind. [1:09:03] I don't even have control over my child's body. [1:09:05] And, um, there's no upside. [1:09:07] I mean, this is what I, why are you sending your kids to university? [1:09:10] For what reason? [1:09:11] To plug them into that, that same monetary system where they start their lives. [1:09:15] Like I did $150,000 into debt, uh, because they thought that they had to go to college. [1:09:20] This is all the matrix attack it where you can in your own household. [1:09:24] And, and they don't even know what to do. [1:09:26] They're scrambling. [1:09:27] You hear it now. [1:09:28] They've never been more worse and their demands for cancellation. [1:09:31] And it's because, um, an animal backed into a corner fights the hardest. [1:09:35] Keep talking about Israel. [1:09:37] Keep talking about Tel Aviv. [1:09:38] Keep talking about BB Netanyahu. [1:09:40] Keep talking about homeschooling. [1:09:41] Keep talking about the military industrial complex and we will win. [1:09:45] They are at the beginning of the end of their domination over American minds. [1:09:51] Yeah. [1:09:51] Well, I think you've been, uh, you've been one of the most effective people, if not the [1:09:57] most one in that cause and fighting it. [1:09:59] So thank you for everything you've been doing. [1:10:00] Keep doing it. [1:10:01] I know I don't need to tell you that because I know you're not going to stop either way. [1:10:04] Um, but thank you so much for taking the time and coming on. [1:10:07] And I hope we get to talk again real soon. [1:10:09] Well, thank you because you are, you, Norm Finkelstein. [1:10:13] You were the guys that kind of really woke me up and I was like, whoa, like I hadn't [1:10:16] even considered this. [1:10:17] And so, uh, it's all of us plugging in at a different time and being able to have the [1:10:21] conversations, sharing our platforms. [1:10:23] And so.