Candace Owens x Shawn Ryan Full Interview — Politics, Media & the Stories Shaping Today’s World

[0:00] Little old me? [0:01] Sounds like there's some rumors out there about me. [0:03] I got to clear up. I'm so nice. I'm so friendly, you know. [0:07] Well, me and our mutual friend, Dana, had a lot of conversations. [0:11] I was like, I don't know. I don't know. [0:13] I don't want to wind up on her bad side. [0:15] She always spoke fairly highly of you, so... [0:18] It's interesting to think about that. [0:20] Like, what people think about you before they meet you. [0:23] Because obviously, as you know, there's always going to be, like, the caricature. [0:27] You know what I mean? [0:28] And so, we obviously have to rely on, I don't know, articles, [0:32] what you hear, what's happening. [0:34] And I guess there's always that moment where you're like, [0:36] I wonder if it meets what I think I know about her. [0:40] It didn't. [0:41] It didn't. [0:42] Way better. [0:42] Yeah, I'm glad. [0:43] Obviously. So, yeah, it was... [0:47] Man, I'm glad we had dinner that night. [0:49] Yeah, it was such a great dinner. [0:50] I mean, your wife's amazing, and your story's amazing. [0:54] And I was always keen to do your show. [0:55] I was like, wow, he's right here. [0:57] We're living in the same town. [0:59] We were almost neighbors. [1:01] And you just do great stuff. [1:03] Man, I really wish that would have happened. [1:04] Yeah. [1:05] The neighbor thing. [1:06] I know. Almost. [1:08] Who knows? Maybe in the future. [1:09] Yeah. Yeah. [1:10] Well, we got a lot to cover today. [1:12] We do. [1:13] Dude. [1:14] A lot going on, man. [1:16] No kidding. [1:18] But let me start you off with an introduction. [1:21] Not that you need one, right? [1:22] Candace Owens. [1:23] You're a political commentator, author, and independent journalist known for challenging mainstream narratives and tackling controversial issues. [1:31] Over the past decade, you've become one of the most influential voices in all of media, building a massive audience through your commentary and investigative reporting. [1:41] Today, through your independent platform, you continue to cover politics, culture, and current events while questioning official narratives and sparking national debate. [1:51] And most importantly, you're a Catholic. [1:54] Most importantly, I'm a Catholic, a mother, a wife. [1:59] That's right. [2:00] And so before we get into your life story and all the other stuff that we're going to talk about, a couple things to get through, I have a Patreon account. [2:09] Do you have a Patreon? [2:10] I was on Patreon, and I don't think I am anymore. [2:12] But I know all about Patreon. [2:14] Right on. [2:15] Yeah. [2:15] Well, we're on there, and they're the reason I get to sit down with you today. [2:22] So they get the opportunity to ask every single cast a question. [2:26] So this is from Kim Turner. [2:28] Candace, you faced intense public criticism, particularly accusations of disloyalty to the black community and the Christian community for holding independent views. [2:40] How do you maintain your composure and stay grounded in who you are when those attacks get personal? [2:46] You know, I don't know that I pay too much attention to the criticism that's slobbed at me anymore, only because it's constant. [2:54] And if you, if I spent every day worried about what other people were thinking about me or allowing them to define who I am, I wouldn't get out of bed. [3:02] And I've got four toddlers at home. [3:05] So I just shut that entire part of my life off. [3:09] And people are very surprised by that. [3:11] But it truly doesn't impact me. [3:13] I know who I am. [3:14] So I don't have to go to the internet to learn about who I am. [3:18] You legit, it doesn't bother you at all. [3:20] No, it genuinely doesn't bother me at all. [3:22] I'm definitely, I think, battle-hardened. [3:24] I think over time, maybe when I was just getting started, I felt, I don't know, maybe a twinge of, that's not fair, that's not true. [3:37] But when you have substance in your life, like real substance, and you're not swimming in your own insecurities, meaning when I first got started, I wasn't married. [3:47] I didn't have, you know, I didn't have my family. [3:50] I didn't have kids relying on me. [3:52] So life is just so much more, like, substance now, so real. [3:56] Wow. [3:57] Man, I mean, I'm a lot better at it than when I first started, but man, this shit bothers me. [4:02] Really? [4:03] Yeah. [4:03] And then I see, like, the Time Magazine cover thing that Trump posted about you. [4:09] Oh, gosh. [4:10] Tweeting about you. [4:11] Yeah, that was a moment. [4:13] All of your enemies. [4:14] Right. [4:14] You have a lot of enemies. [4:16] I can't believe that I forgot about the Trump thing, the Trump tweet. [4:19] You forgot about it? [4:20] Yeah, and until you just mentioned it, it's not even something that I even think about. [4:23] It was so strange. [4:24] It was so strange. [4:25] I was in Italy getting confirmed by a cardinal, and that I was so excited about it. [4:32] And it was just, it's weird because it's the President of the United States. [4:36] And it's something that maybe you would expect to see if you're in high school and people are trying to, like, find ways to hurt you. [4:42] But, you know, when the President of the United States is like, you're fat, you're ugly, you know, that it just feels weird. [4:47] It was just very strange. [4:49] Well, it is weird. [4:50] It's weird. [4:51] Objectively, I thought it was very strange. [4:52] And I don't have... [4:53] Did he forget he started a war? [4:55] Yeah, I know. [4:56] Isn't that a little more important than fucking generating AI Time Magazine cover photos about podcasters? [5:03] And beyond that, just kind of basically saying you're ugly is just, there's something so elementary about it. [5:09] I'm just not in high school. [5:11] That's not something that I wake up every day and wonder, does the President of the United States think I'm hot or not? [5:17] There's something about it, like, that's just like, okay, he's got a type. [5:22] And he said, Brigitte McCrone's hotter than me. [5:25] He's allowed. [5:26] It's a free country, you know? [5:28] Yeah. [5:28] It was... [5:29] That was definitely a moment where I was going, this is some strange enemies to have. [5:36] Did you find humor in it? [5:38] Genuinely, at the time, I was... [5:41] There was just so much going on. [5:42] I was in Italy and my phone started blowing up. [5:44] And I was so excited about the eve of my confirmation that... [5:50] And I had just had this wonderful dinner with my priest and I had a meeting with the Cardinal about the confirmation, [5:56] that I just turned my phone off because I didn't want to even let in whatever energy that was. [6:03] I was like, nope, you're not ruining my day. [6:04] And I was like, I felt like I was like on the eve of my wedding or something. [6:07] And there was too much spiritual goodness that was surrounding me, I guess, is the best way to put it. [6:14] We had planned that trip for a very long time for me to go to Italy and get confirmed. [6:17] And I just wasn't going to allow that to be a memory. [6:21] And so I just was like, I'll deal with that when I get back. [6:24] And it's such a strange thing to be in a place where you're putting the President of the United States on hold. [6:30] Everyone, I guess, was waiting for a response. [6:32] And I was like... [6:33] I don't have time for this, kid. [6:35] That was it. [6:36] It was, I don't have time for this. [6:37] I'm really excited. [6:39] And this is my wedding day, so to speak. [6:42] And that was that. [6:43] And then we had a fantastic time in Italy. [6:44] And then when I got home and the podcast was back on, I was like, okay, now, where's the child? [6:49] Time to address the child. [6:51] Shame on you. [6:53] This is not a good look for you. [6:54] And I don't have that. [6:56] I don't wake up every day wondering if the President thinks I'm pretty. [6:58] That's just not a part of my life. [6:59] Well, as many enemies as you have, they give you a lot of attention. [7:06] They do. [7:06] I think it helps you a lot more than hurts you, which is pretty cool. [7:10] Definitely don't think that a moment like that empowers Trump. [7:15] That's what I would say. [7:16] I think it diminishes him in a way. [7:17] And, you know, you shouldn't relinquish your power like that as the President, you know, to dig up a photo of me when I was sick. [7:27] And I shared that photo, by the way. [7:29] Are you serious? [7:30] Yeah, that photo was real. [7:32] I shared it early on in politics to talk about. [7:35] I went through a really tough time when, what was it, 2015, I got sick from mold illness. [7:42] And I never thought I was going to be the same person. [7:44] It was a leak, an HVAC leak that happened in my building. [7:47] And it destroyed my insides. [7:50] I mean, it started what's known as candidiasis growth in my body. [7:55] I had, I mean, overnight, I felt like my whole life was taken from me. [7:58] I couldn't think. [7:59] And if you don't know what toxic mold illness is, it's almost impossible to describe. [8:04] But I had head-to-toe, overnight eczema. [8:08] I had never had eczema. [8:08] Athlete's foot, my eyes were red and just kept pussing. [8:13] And I didn't know what it was. [8:14] I didn't know what was happening, why it was happening. [8:17] My hair fell out. [8:19] And in the scheme of everything that was going on, I, the worst part of it, forgetting the physical and not recognizing yourself in the mirror. [8:29] Because, I mean, I could share worse photos than he shared. [8:32] I was like, if you want them all, this is actually, I look pretty good relative to what was going on head-to-toe. [8:37] But the worst part was my brain. [8:40] The only way to describe it is you can't think. [8:43] You can't, it's almost like being in a permanent, if you ever had, like, brain fog, imagine, like, the most intense brain fog you could ever have. [8:50] And it just physically exhausted me. [8:52] So I was just in bed all day, every day. [8:54] And the only way to beat back that sort of mold illness, I mean, they can give you temporary pills, whatever, it's through diet. [9:01] Like, the most regimented diet, because sugar is what feeds it. [9:04] And so I, it took me a year to, and I never thought I was going to be able to be myself again. [9:09] And that was the hardest part, is not being able to think. [9:12] And I have relied, I didn't realize how much I had, you know, relied on my ability to reply. [9:20] And I loved writing. [9:21] And so it was, I just was, I remember just getting on my hands and knees and praying, bargaining, really, actually, with God, which isn't something that you should do. [9:30] But I was like, I don't even care about the physical stuff. [9:32] I don't care if my hair never grows back. [9:34] I don't care if I have these patches all over my face forever, if they never clear up. [9:37] I don't care if I have athlete's foot once a week. [9:40] Like, please just let me think. [9:42] Like, please just clear the cloud in my brain. [9:45] And I think about it, because it was right before I became a public figure. [9:50] And I just now have the perspective that I was truly humbled. [9:56] Like, truly humbled before. [9:58] And never thought I was going to look the same. [10:00] Like, and I never even realized how much easier, like, how much I had relied on being, like, generally good-looking, you know, to kind of get through life. [10:10] Like, there's so, I didn't want to see anybody. [10:13] And I only saw my cousin, my cousin who still works with me today. [10:17] I would not go out of the house and, because I was sleeping mostly the whole time anyway. [10:22] And it was a long process, a very strict diet. [10:26] Obviously, I got so skinny, because you kind of have to starve it. [10:30] Damn. [10:31] Yeah, you kind of have to starve it. [10:32] So anything that has sugar, even fruit, feeds it. [10:35] And so, but in the retrospect, I learned how to cook everything from scratch. [10:41] We were, I ate, I learned how to eat the best ingredients. [10:44] I learned about ingredients. [10:45] And I became really passionate about that. [10:48] I mean, that's why I garden today. [10:50] So, yeah, I was humbled. [10:52] I was humbled right before I got into the public sphere. [10:57] And so, I actually look back on it quite fondly. [11:00] And I think it kept me away from a lot of the vanity that comes with politics and publicity. [11:07] Because I know it can just like that be taken away from me. [11:10] Man, wow. [11:12] So, I took you at your lowest point and exploited it all over the world. [11:16] Yeah, and then I shared it with everybody. [11:18] I was like, I've got worse pictures. [11:19] I mean, I was sick. [11:21] I don't know. [11:22] I guess you can go around and find people when they have cancer and lose their hair and put them on a Time magazine. [11:26] I was very sick. [11:28] But I'm really proud of it. [11:29] It's such a weird thing, but I shared it myself. [11:33] And so, I think what happened was a lot of times with his team, they just look for things on the internet. [11:38] And they're trying to be fast and respond. [11:39] And they didn't know where the source of that photo was. [11:41] And it was me. [11:42] I shared it back when I first entered into politics and talked about, you know, a tough time in my life. [11:48] And, yeah, I'm still just very proud of it. [11:50] And gratefully, thank God, I got everything back. [11:55] Not just my brain, you know. [11:56] My hair came back. [11:57] My skin cleared. [11:59] And, yeah, I just, I'm very grateful. [12:03] Man. [12:03] Well, I want to do a life story on you. [12:06] Actually, one more thing. [12:08] Everybody gets a gift. [12:10] What am I getting? [12:12] I feel like everybody gives a gift, but I don't have a life that's cool enough to match all of these gifts. [12:16] I actually love gummy bears. [12:17] Are these actually elite? [12:20] Yeah. [12:21] They are elite gummy bears. [12:22] Oh, yeah. [12:22] Because you can't, like, put vigilance elite gummy bears on here if they're not elite. [12:26] They're elite. [12:27] Okay. [12:27] Rip them open. [12:28] I'm going to have one. [12:29] I'll be the judge of that. [12:30] All right. [12:31] Here we go. [12:34] I love gummy bears. [12:35] Good. [12:36] Yeah. [12:37] They smell really good. [12:38] I will say that. [12:40] They actually smell really good. [12:42] I love gummy bears. [12:44] Of course, not with bread. [12:46] What do you think? [12:48] I'm not just saying this because I'm on your show. [12:50] They are really good. [12:51] Why are they good? [12:53] Well, because they're made in the USA. [12:56] That's it. [12:56] America, baby. [12:58] That's right. [12:58] 250 years of elite gummy bears. [13:03] Yeah. [13:04] Yeah. [13:05] But, all right, Candace, I want to do a life story on you. [13:08] And then towards the end, we'll get into all the stuff you've been digging into for about the past year or two. [13:13] Mm-hmm. [13:15] So, where'd you grow up? [13:16] So, I was born in New York, in White Plains. [13:21] That's actually where my mother grew up mostly. [13:24] And she went to high school there. [13:26] So, a lot of my family's in that area, Rye, White Plains area. [13:29] And then I went to school and had my formative years in Stanford, Connecticut, which is just kind of outside of the city. [13:37] It's kind of like if you have a job in the city and want to live in the suburbs, you move to Greenwich, Stanford, New Canaan, Fairfield County area. [13:45] Okay. [13:46] Mm-hmm. [13:46] How many siblings do you have? [13:48] Three. [13:48] I have a brother and I have two sisters. [13:50] What's your parents do? [14:22] And so, in the morning time, every morning I wake up, when I work out, call my sisters, you know, and talk about everything. [14:28] My sister, my little sister right now, she's saving up, like, some extra money for her wedding. [14:33] And so, she's actually helping me right now, like, sort through the tips box. [14:37] So, we weren't close growing up, though. [14:39] Like, I mean, me and my sisters, we're a year, each of us, we're a year and a half apart. [14:44] So, we just bludgeoned each other, you know, over everything, pretty much. [14:48] Where do you fall in the lineup? [14:49] In the middle. [14:50] Can't you tell? [14:53] Can't you tell? [14:54] Middle child syndrome, it's a thing. [14:55] It's a real thing. [14:57] Shout out to everyone who's a middle child in the world right now. [15:01] Right on, too, as a kid. [15:03] What'd you like to do? [15:05] I was always really into dance, coordinating dances. [15:09] I was very sporty. [15:11] I think I took after my mom in that way. [15:13] My mother played basketball and cheerlead when she was in high school. [15:17] She didn't finish high school. [15:18] My mother's a high school dropout. [15:20] But, well, she got pregnant. [15:21] But when she was a, when she was in high school, she was very athletic. [15:25] And so, I kind of took after my mom in that way. [15:27] So, I did cheerlead in high school. [15:29] I did track and field. [15:30] And I, we moved into my grandfather's house when I was eight years old. [15:36] I was just like a granddaddy's girl. [15:37] I was obsessed with my grandfather. [15:39] And he just was always doing stuff in the backyard. [15:44] You know, one of those old school guys. [15:47] I think of my grandfather as having, like, car grease on his hands. [15:52] You know, that's what makes me think of my granddad. [15:53] Car oil on his hands. [15:54] His hands were always blackened. [15:56] And he always had a cloth and was wiping them. [15:58] And somehow, always had cash in his pocket and would, you know, give me and my sisters cash. [16:04] And I was always just kind of fluffing around in the yard with my grandpa, like, in the woods, doing stuff. [16:10] So, my sisters and I were, like, cutting worms, climbing trees. [16:15] I was definitely, I would say, a tomboy. [16:17] Like, I just liked to be outside, which I think is very new to this generation. [16:22] And everything's behind a screen. [16:23] But we were active. [16:25] We were very active. [16:26] Jump roping, bike riding. [16:27] Granddad taught me how to ride a bike. [16:29] Remember the day it happened. [16:31] Yeah, I loved it being outside. [16:33] Why did you move in with your grandparents at age eight? [16:36] Because we were poor. [16:38] So, my... [16:40] Did your parents move in with you? [16:42] Yes. [16:42] And it was, the house was too small for all of us to fit into it, but we made it work. [16:46] My grandfather came to the apartment that we were living in, which was in this really sort of dilapidated building. [16:54] And it had roaches. [16:56] I was not, uh, you're not aware of those things so much when you're a kid. [17:01] And so, we just knew that every, maybe it was once a month, I couldn't even tell you, maybe it was less or more. [17:08] But we'd have to sort of take all the pots and pans out of the cabinets because the exterminator would have to come and spray because there was roaches, you know. [17:16] And that's not, my mother kept a very clean apartment, actually. [17:20] But it doesn't matter in those sorts of environments. [17:22] You live like your neighbors live. [17:24] And so, my grandfather just came and said, I don't want my grandbabies growing up like this because he worked really hard in his life. [17:31] Starting in a sharecropping farm and ending where he did. [17:35] When my grandfather died, he went back and actually purchased the sharecropping farm in the south. [17:39] Wow. [17:39] That's where he retired. [17:41] But he was living up north at that time in Connecticut and they had a middle class house. [17:45] And he just said, I don't want my grandbabies to grow up like this. [17:47] So, we moved into their house. [17:49] And my sister and I lived in the attic. [17:52] You know, kind of, he put carpet down in the attic and turned it into a room, which I thought was so cool. [17:57] Because I used to love the show Hey Arnold. [17:59] And Hey Arnold had like an attic, too. [18:02] It's a very, very good show. [18:03] And my mother and father were in the basement. [18:08] So, we just had to just kind of all fit in the house. [18:12] And it was the best thing, I think, that could have happened for my life. [18:16] It's the single greatest thing that probably changed my life. [18:19] It was moving in with my grandparents and sort of being under my grandfather's patriarchy, if you will. [18:25] Is he still alive? [18:26] No, my granddad passed a couple of years ago. [18:29] It was really hard. [18:30] Has he seen the rise of Candace? [18:32] Yeah, granddad. [18:33] There was one of these really viral moments where I went to go testify at Congress. [18:38] And my granddad was behind me. [18:41] It's a great clip. [18:43] When Ted Lieu says something, I don't know what he... [18:47] I think he played a clip of me and tried to apply what I supported Adolf Hitler or something. [18:52] And you see my granddad in the back. [18:53] He's like, no, she did not say that. [18:55] Like, no, she did not say that. [18:57] And I was like, granddad was going to get up and give Ted Lieu a beat down. [19:01] You don't talk. [19:01] Nobody talks to his grandbaby like that. [19:03] Ted Lieu, calm down. [19:04] I'm so happy that that was captured actually on camera because shortly after that, his mind [19:12] started to go and his memory started to go. [19:14] I mean, and so it's just one of those last memories that I have of my granddad. [19:20] He was always behind me, whether it was teaching me how to ride a bike and letting go or like [19:25] behind me at, you know, in Congress. [19:27] I just, like, my grandparents were just absolutely amazing. [19:29] Wow. [19:31] What would you say to him if you were here today? [19:33] I got to say everything I needed to say to my granddad. [19:36] That's good. [19:37] Good for you. [19:38] Yeah, because my grandmother died unexpectedly. [19:39] And so I made a very conscious decision to slow down and make sure that I got to say [19:46] everything to my granddad. [19:47] He knows how much I loved him. [19:49] Good for you. [19:49] Yeah. [19:50] So you were with your grandparents all the way through high school? [19:55] Until 10th grade. [19:57] And then we kind of moved into a condo. [19:58] But, I mean, all of my formative years are with my grandparents always being around. [20:03] And, yeah, it was, it was, uh, wake up in the morning, granddad made breakfast, you know, [20:11] my grandmother would make dinner. [20:13] And it was, my grandfather just had a lot of rules for us to follow because he grew up [20:18] in the South and it was just like very structured. [20:21] And my work ethic comes from my grandfather, without question. [20:25] He had a job since he was five years old, like laying out tobacco to dry. [20:30] On a sharecropping farm. [20:32] So, he just got after the day, every day. [20:35] Wow. [20:36] Wow. [20:38] How old were you when your parents got divorced? [20:41] 23. [20:42] Oh, 23. [20:42] Yeah. [20:43] Okay. [20:43] They got, I mean, my mom and my dad were just one of those couples that... [20:49] 23? [20:49] Yeah, 23. [20:51] How long were they married? [20:53] Oh, gosh. [20:53] I mean, they got married in 93, so they got married after I was born. [20:57] And then they just were like, there was just a lot of fighting, you know, it wasn't one [21:01] of those good relationships. [21:02] And then when we were all out of the house, they called and said they were getting a divorce. [21:07] And at that point, I remember saying to my dad, no, no, no, no, now you guys should [21:11] stay together. [21:11] Now it should be until death do you part. [21:15] Now that we're out of the house, you're going to separate. [21:17] I remember exactly where I was walking, exactly which street I was walking on in New York [21:22] State where I got the call. [21:24] And yeah, they, um, it was an interesting thing because I got to see in my house two [21:31] totally different examples of how to live. [21:36] My grandparents were very conservative and they, my grandfather met my grandmother when [21:40] he was 17 and they stayed married until her dying day. [21:44] And then I had the opposite example where the generation beneath my grandparents, despite [21:50] how they had raised them, they were just so different. [21:52] Like all of my dad's siblings had been divorced and this, it was a new culture. [21:56] And I remember when granddad got sick, um, or started getting sick, I was helping him, [22:01] uh, fix up his house and we talked about it. [22:03] And I was like, how, how do, how do people who are raised and so conservatively kind of have, [22:10] I guess, more liberal viewpoints on marriage? [22:11] And my granddad said something and he was right, it's just the way he delivered it, [22:17] which is so funny, but he just said, you know, it was those darn hippies. [22:21] He just says the hippies ruined everything. [22:24] And there's, it's a valid point, you know, I've done some research and I'm like, granddad [22:28] was right. [22:29] They kind of brought in this sort of sex, love, rock and roll, love who you love. [22:34] Everything became so much more, uh, temporal, I guess. [22:36] And I am just so my grandfather's child, like my viewpoint. [22:42] I'm, I'm going back where everybody wants to be progressive. [22:44] I'm like, I want to be regressive. [22:45] I want to, I want some of that stuff that granddad had. [22:49] What did you want to be as a child? [22:51] What did you want to become? [22:53] Occupationally. [22:53] Gosh, what was the first thing I wanted to be? [22:54] An archaeologist. [22:55] An archaeologist. [22:56] Yes. [22:57] I was really into, like, as soon as I learned about Egypt, I had this weird fascination with [23:02] Egypt and just, I don't know, just, I remember in third grade, just wanting to be like, oh, [23:07] when I grew up, I want to be an archaeologist. [23:08] That was my first thing I can remember wanting to be. [23:12] And then you'll probably say, appropriately, I then was convinced I was going to be a lawyer. [23:17] I wanted to be a lawyer. [23:19] Definitely see that. [23:20] And I would have made a really good lawyer. [23:22] You still would. [23:24] It's never too late. [23:25] It'd probably come in handy for you. [23:27] It would. [23:28] I actually kind of feel like I am a lawyer in many ways. [23:30] I get sued so much, and I really enjoy talking to my lawyer. [23:33] He's just become such a friend and understanding it. [23:37] I love to read the documents. [23:38] I mean, other people getting sued. [23:41] I mean, they did a whole series in the Blake Lively series. [23:43] I do have a love for legal work, but I don't have to be sued to love it. [23:51] I have to get that straight in my mind. [23:52] You don't have to be sued to appreciate law. [23:56] But, yeah. [23:57] How many times do you think you've been sued? [23:59] Too many. [24:00] Like, I mean, in the last few years, it's been a lot, man. [24:07] It's been like, I feel like the Daily Wire was like three episodes that happened, which felt like a lot. [24:14] And then I have, obviously, the Brigitte one, which was a lot. [24:17] And then I got pulled into the Blake Lively one, which isn't really like being involved. [24:21] And then they tried to pull me into some Kanye one, not being the person who was sued. [24:25] But, yeah. [24:27] So I just kind of got familiar with the people that were serving the paperwork. [24:31] They're great guys, by the way. [24:32] The servers, they're fantastic. [24:34] They show up in, like, motorcycles like, we love you. [24:36] Like, you know, and we're going to charge the other guys more. [24:39] They're amazing. [24:40] They're absolutely amazing. [24:42] And then this Brian Harpole one, which I'm being sued because of your show. [24:46] This is my show. [24:47] Yeah, you know, I should sue you. [24:49] Brian Harpole's lawyer. [24:52] I'm going to drag you into my lawsuit. [24:53] We have a running, every time the FedEx truck drives around here, we're like, oh, fuck, here it comes. [25:00] I don't even open them anymore. [25:02] I just send them to Tim. [25:03] So funny. [25:04] Yeah, you know. [25:06] Yeah, well, when Brian Harpole sued me, his lawyer wrote this amazing story, [25:10] which was just made entirely no sense, [25:12] where he said that the reason, basically, they were trying to make the argument [25:16] that he's not a public figure, which is very important. [25:18] You have to establish in defamation, are you a public figure or are you a private person? [25:22] And obviously, he made himself a public figure by going on this podcast [25:25] and interjecting himself into this Charlie narrative. [25:28] So they were trying to argue that he's not a public figure. [25:30] And he basically said he was forced to become a public figure because of me. [25:34] Like, I'm the reason he had to go on the Sean Ryan show to clear his name. [25:39] And I never covered him on my show once. [25:41] Never spoke his name on my show before he went on your show. [25:44] So, hold on. [25:45] He's claiming he came here because, to counter your narrative? [25:50] Yeah. [25:51] But you weren't talking about him before. [25:52] Never said one word about him or the security apparatus because I knew them. [25:56] And my mind just wasn't there at all until he did your interview. [26:01] And it was so disastrous, in my view. [26:04] And I think also the view of all the people who watched it, [26:06] according to the comments, there was just something off about it. [26:09] And I went, whoa, he's answering questions weird. [26:12] The stuff that he's saying doesn't really make sense. [26:14] But that's the argument they're trying to make because they're trying to get the court [26:18] to see him as a private figure who only had to come out and do the Sean Ryan show, [26:23] one of the biggest podcasts in the world, defend himself against me. [26:27] And I'm like, well, that's going to be a tricky argument, [26:29] considering I never spoke about you ever on my show until you did the Sean Ryan show. [26:33] Wait a minute, what is, what exactly, he's, what? [26:37] It's crazy. [26:37] What is he suing you for? [26:39] Uh, defamation, which is difficult for me to comprehend [26:44] because it's, it's so in the category of opinion. [26:47] Like the first three pages of a lawsuit, he's just kind of calling me an anti-Semite. [26:50] And I don't know what that has to do with the lawsuit at all. [26:53] He's not Jewish, lest I checked. [26:55] Neither was Charlie Kirk. [26:56] But he then moves on by saying that I defamed him because I said that the security team was incompetent. [27:04] And so he's blaming me for a loss of revenue to his business because I said he's incompetent. [27:10] Now, I would generally say if you have a business and your job is to provide security [27:15] and your client dies on the job, that might be the reason you're not getting many clients. [27:21] I, I'm not, I'm not saying I'm a genius, but I don't think people will be lining up [27:26] to hire the same security people that guarded Charlie Kirk on September 10th. [27:32] But he thinks it's actually because of me calling him, among any, among many other things, [27:36] calling him incompetent, asking questions about why they didn't have people on the rooftop that day, [27:41] saying that like the support they supplied to Charlie's neck was inadequate. [27:45] I mean, just things that you can see with your own eyes as they're handing him to the car, [27:48] as they're like holding him to the car, him saying on your show that they didn't provide CPR [27:52] because he had to stop the bleeding. I have questions about that. [27:56] If your heart stops, what's it matter if you stop the bleeding? [27:59] So I'm going to stand by my assessment that he was incompetent. [28:04] And then the second chunk of his lawsuit is his, um, saying that, I guess he, [28:10] defamation per se might be his argument, because I asked about whether he was at Fort Huachuca [28:15] because somebody believes they saw him at Fort Huachuca on the 9th. [28:19] But he admits in a lawsuit that I texted him, uh, four times, asking him just to say yes or no. [28:25] So I could just, you know, very quickly say, oh, I've reached out to him, he said it wasn't him. [28:32] But his reason for why he didn't answer me, despite me trying to just get an answer, [28:36] and why he decided to just instead sue me, uh, was because, what was his bizarre legal reason [28:44] for why he just didn't answer any of my questions? [28:47] I think he said, because, oh, he didn't want me to get famous off of him. [28:52] I promise you this is his argument, is that the reason he didn't answer... [28:55] He didn't want you to get famous off of him. [28:57] That I was just going to use it for clicks. [28:59] So, if he had answered me and said, no, I'm, I wasn't at Fort Huachuca, [29:03] then I would have used it for clicks, and he didn't want me to use him for clicks. [29:08] So that's the, that is the thrust of the lawsuit. [29:11] So what does he want? Is he suing you for money? [29:13] I think, yeah, he wants money, and to be determined by a jury, [29:19] because his business has been affected. [29:21] So this shit's actually going to court. [29:23] Oh, yeah. Which I'm really okay with, because a lot of the questions [29:26] that we're just trying to get answered, we can now force him to answer them [29:30] and bring other people in, too, to sit down for deposition, so... [29:33] Do you have a court date? [29:34] Uh, not yet, because we still have to, uh, I think our... [29:38] Actually, don't quote me on that. I have to check in with my lawyers. [29:41] We might have, like, I think we have something coming up, [29:44] or we have to file our response, like, the next coming weeks or something. [29:48] Where will the law, where will it happen? [29:50] Here. [29:51] Here in Nashville? [29:52] Yeah. Yeah. He's got to sue me here. [29:54] This is where I defamed him, apparently. [29:56] So I didn't know... Did he tell you he was, like, really felt like [30:00] he had to do this show because of me? It was very strange. [30:02] I didn't get that. [30:03] Yeah. It would have been weird, because I never talked about him, so... [30:07] Hey, can I come on because of Candace not talking about me? [30:10] It's weird. It's totally wacky. [30:12] It feels like a PR move to me, to be honest with you, but... [30:15] Um... [30:16] You think it'll go the distance, or you think they'll just drop sue? [30:19] I... I think they filed it in such a sloppy manner [30:23] that they're hoping the court drops it. [30:24] And then they can say, well, we tried. We were telling the truth. [30:26] And there is a lot of that in the court system, [30:29] where people file for PR reasons. [30:31] I mean, Brigitte is a perfect example of that. [30:33] Uh, where you're doing something that you kind of know [30:36] you can't win in court, but it allows you to then say, [30:38] well, we really tried. [30:39] And obviously, we must have been telling the truth, [30:41] or we wouldn't have sued. [30:42] And that's not the case. [30:44] I have not changed my mind about Brian Harpole, [30:46] and I was very thorough in trying to just get him to give me a response. [30:52] Like, I would have happily taken a response from him, [30:54] and he still hasn't offered one. He just sued me. [30:57] Yes. Did they have any other clients? [31:01] I don't know. He hasn't, uh... [31:05] Since it was just the initial filing, [31:06] we haven't gotten into the details of who's not booking him [31:09] or if someone dropped him. [31:10] But that would just, to me, seem like common sense, [31:13] especially when you say... [31:15] I mean, if you watched his interview with you, [31:16] you wouldn't book him. [31:17] You know, it's just the presentation. [31:20] I mean, I'm just curious about... [31:21] Yeah. I-I... [31:23] What did the defamation do? [31:25] Is he still working for TPSU? [31:27] He's not. My understanding is he's not still working [31:30] for Turning Point USA, and I did hear through the grapevine [31:33] that they sent him a cease and desist after all of the flack [31:39] that he got for his various appearances, [31:42] things that he was saying that was just making things worse [31:45] because he doesn't sound honest when he speaks. [31:48] He's not clear, and he's also dishonest. [31:50] I mean, he said, even when I was watching your show, [31:54] and that was one of the reasons we covered it, [31:55] was because we instantly learned he presented those messages [31:59] when you asked him about the rooftop. [32:01] He shows these messages, and then he says, [32:03] what am I supposed to do with that? [32:05] You know, the implication being that this is a conversation [32:08] he was having, but it wasn't. [32:10] He was showing you Dan Flood's text messages. [32:12] So that was strange. [32:14] And dishonest, and, yeah, I, and he, they were also, [32:20] the discussion wasn't even about Losi Center. [32:23] The discussion was about the walkway above Charlie. [32:27] So it seemed like even when he was on the show, [32:31] he was focused on PR, but he just wasn't very convincing. [32:35] And that's literally in the lawsuit that I described him [32:37] as not very convincing, and that's defamatory. [32:41] That's defamatory. [32:42] And I stand by it. He wasn't very convincing. [32:45] Yeah, I probably should have pressed him more. [32:47] I just, I fucking felt bad, though. [32:49] I mean, it was still really fresh, and the guy's tearing. [32:52] I just, I don't, I've been around a lot of loss, [32:56] you know, in my previous career, and so I didn't want to, [32:59] I wanted to be respectful. [33:01] You know what I mean? But... [33:04] Yeah, I think you did the right thing, actually. [33:08] Because even though the viewers might feel frustration, [33:13] the reality is, is that if you had put him under the light, [33:16] so to speak, he would have clammed up. [33:18] Mm-hmm. [33:19] And we benefited a lot from him just speaking. [33:24] I'm still benefiting from him just speaking [33:25] in other parts of that conversation that are being pulled [33:27] and discussed, certainly for my lawsuit's sake. [33:31] It's beneficial that he kept describing things in detail. [33:36] So, I think it was good to sort of let him talk. [33:39] What are some of the other gems that you pulled out [33:41] of my interview with Brian Harpool? [33:43] I mean, there's, I think at some point, [33:50] I think it was your interview, it might've been someone else's, [33:52] where he said that he, when he got to the hospital, [33:57] and he's, like, directing the staff or whatever, [34:00] and he, like, said that he cut off Charlie's shirt. [34:04] I mean, that's just, that's fantasy. [34:06] That's full fantasy. That's not how that happens. [34:08] Everybody knows that. [34:09] When you get to the ER and somebody is on a stretcher, [34:12] some random guy who's bringing the person in [34:14] doesn't start calling the shots in the hospital. [34:16] So, there's a lot of questions about what took place [34:19] at the hospital, why Kash Patel moved to have the cameras, [34:22] as one of the first acts, to get the cameras down [34:25] inside of the hospital. It's very strange. [34:28] The varying stories that they've all told about what took place, [34:32] why they were all then wearing scrubs. [34:35] Frank Turek saying that the... [34:38] He was on the phone the whole time with, [34:41] and didn't realize with his, um... [34:43] Who's Frank Turek? [34:44] Frank Turek was another one of the people [34:46] that was in the car. [34:46] Okay. [34:47] And he's former military. [34:50] He was there and jumped in the car with them. [34:53] By the way, that's even weird. [34:54] I don't even know why he jumped in the car with them, [34:56] to be honest with you. [34:57] And he was at the hospital, [35:00] and he tells conflicting stories and says [35:02] that they did perform CPR. [35:05] It's all just very strange. [35:06] It just seems like something... [35:08] Why are all of your stories running into each other? [35:11] Well, how are those running into each other? [35:13] What do they say? [35:14] Well... [35:15] Some people are saying they did give them CPR. [35:17] Some are saying they didn't. [35:18] Brian said they did not perform CPR, [35:20] because they were focused on stopping the bleeding. [35:24] Frank said that they did perform CPR. [35:26] Brian said that Frank was just in the backseat praying. [35:30] Frank said that he got involved, [35:33] which is the reason why he had all the blood on him, [35:35] or whatever. [35:36] So, the discrepancy between the people that are in the car [35:40] doesn't really make sense. [35:41] I mean, I don't know. [35:42] Do you give CPR to somebody [35:44] that's been shot in the fucking neck? [35:46] Well, if you don't keep someone's heart going, [35:49] it doesn't matter, right? [35:51] Like, nothing else matters if your heart stops pumping. [35:54] So, yeah, you would give CPR, I would imagine. [35:57] You keep CPR going at all times. [35:59] I'm certainly not a medical professional, [36:02] but I do know that, like, if your heart stops, you're dead. [36:04] So, you've got to keep the heart going. [36:07] And them not having the ambulance on standby. [36:10] I'm not standing up for him. [36:11] I don't know if that's... [36:12] I don't know if you would do CPR. [36:14] What would be the point of, you know, [36:16] if your heart's not going, your heart's not going? [36:17] And I'm not even saying... [36:18] You don't have any blood. [36:19] And by the way, I'm not even saying that, um, [36:22] what was right or what was wrong to do. [36:25] You're saying that stories are inconsistent? [36:26] I'm saying that stories are not consistent. [36:28] And that's what has been so troublesome [36:31] for people that are investigating this. [36:32] It's why do you guys all have different stories? [36:34] Why are there so many lies that have since been unpacked? [36:38] That initially, they said a lot in the beginning, [36:41] and they've since, you know, pivoted on their stories [36:43] quite a bit. [36:44] Why do you think that they repaved that thing? [36:47] How many days afterwards? [36:49] Because by Sunday, they had a person come in on a Sunday. [36:54] So, Charlie got shot at 12.23 on a Wednesday, [36:57] and they had early morning on Sunday, pavers come in. [37:00] And even before then, they had the soil removed [37:03] by a separate group of people. [37:04] They had the soil removed? [37:06] The soil removed first. [37:07] Ten inches of soil removed first. [37:09] Do they do that at any other murder scene anywhere? [37:13] Absolutely not. [37:14] The soil removed? [37:15] Why the fuck would they have the soil removed? [37:17] Well, their excuse is, we were putting down pavers. [37:19] So it is normal to remove soil to put down pavers. [37:23] Uh, but why were you putting down pavers? [37:25] Why were you paving over the crime scene? [37:27] And in that scenario, I think you normally do, from somebody [37:31] that is in that space, said that about eight inches you would [37:33] remove so that you can install the pavers. [37:35] They removed ten inches of soil, and they had two separate [37:38] people do it. [37:39] So they had people working for the government [37:41] that removed the ten inches of soil, [37:43] and then the next day, the pavers came in and put in the pavers. [37:47] That's not normal. [37:48] You have the same group of people that do both. [37:49] So they wanted, they had the dirt removed first, [37:52] and so we'd have to imagine that that happened [37:54] Saturday at the latest, right? [37:57] And, because then by Sunday morning, [37:59] the guy who had to put together a ragtag team [38:04] to do the paving, he did an interview and spoke about it, [38:06] and said he was told that the instructions were coming down [38:10] from the governor of Utah and Kash Patel's office. [38:13] Probably the guy to put on the stand. [38:17] What do you think would have been on the soil? [38:19] I'm, you know, I've taken a long time to get to a place [38:23] where I wanted to put forth a theory [38:27] on what happened that day. [38:28] I think there is a lot of evidence [38:31] that they would have found explosives, [38:34] which, um, if, I guess the way, uh, P-E-T-N is said, [38:39] is like, what do you guys say, pent? [38:41] Petten. [38:42] Petten. I'm trying to learn all of the inside terms [38:45] and sound like I know what I'm talking about [38:46] on all the military guy stuff, [38:48] but if, if, uh, Petten was the explosive that was used, [38:51] and I think there was a strong, [38:52] a strong theory that should be explored, [38:55] um, that a shape charge was used to kill him [38:57] and that what killed him was on him. [38:59] Um, I, if you look into Petten, [39:02] it is pretty resistant. [39:06] It stays on soil. [39:07] It, it, it, there you can read tons of articles about it. [39:10] It's, you just have to remove the soil. [39:12] So you think that they... [39:13] I think there was explosives. [39:15] I think that explains, as I was unpacking on my show, [39:17] a lot of the holes in the story that didn't make sense. [39:20] If you run the theory that he was killed [39:22] with, uh, a P.E. Petten shape charge, [39:26] then they all suddenly start to make sense [39:29] why they wouldn't bring the bomb dogs over [39:31] to where Charlie died. [39:32] See, we almost, we... [39:34] I can't, I can't remember what this guy name, [39:36] his name is, but my editor, you were just chatting with him. [39:38] He brought it to my attention. [39:40] He was chatting with this guy right after it happened, [39:43] so I guess almost a year ago. [39:44] And once, I just never know what to... [39:49] So many fucking people are trying to get clicks and shit, [39:52] you know what I mean, that I'm like, [39:53] I don't think it adds up. [39:55] And he would describe, you know, how it was gonna work, [39:59] or how it supposedly worked. [40:01] And yeah, it was shape charge inside the microphone, right? [40:04] Mm-hmm. Yeah. [40:05] And they had all these videos that show the blast and everything, [40:09] but I don't know what's AI and what isn't. [40:11] I don't fucking believe anything, [40:13] unless it's literally right in front of my face, [40:15] then I still don't believe most of it. [40:18] But to have a... [40:21] The thing that really got me was to have a microphone [40:24] on a loose shirt when he's up in a chair, [40:26] like, moving around, it just... [40:29] Mic on the inside, by the way. [40:31] Mic on the inside? [40:32] Yeah, the mic is on the microphone, [40:34] which is totally senseless. [40:35] Wait, was it taped to his chest? [40:37] What you see on the outside is the magnet [40:39] that's holding the mic that's on the inside. [40:41] Which, like, any person who mics you knows, [40:43] you don't put the mic on the inside [40:44] because you get the sound. [40:47] And they were putting it on the inside. [40:48] Like, you might do that if it's a super windy day [40:51] or cold day to avoid the wind. [40:52] Interesting. I thought it was a fucking new DJI mic [40:54] that everybody's using. [40:55] No, it's a Rode mic, a Rode mic pro. [40:56] So that's just the metal... [40:58] That's just the magnetic clasp that's on the outside. [41:00] They put it on the inside. [41:02] Which they started doing... [41:06] It was a new thing. [41:07] It was just a new thing that they were doing. [41:10] And so I... [41:11] How long have you been tracking this? [41:12] How long had I been tracking this? [41:13] Microphone thing. [41:14] I actually... So, I always try to approach things [41:18] with just, what do I observe with my own eyes? [41:21] And when I brought myself to being able to watch [41:24] the footage of Charlie dying, [41:25] the first thing I thought was that he was shot from below. [41:27] Because I watched his shirt go out, [41:30] and I watched the friction of his body, [41:32] and I saw that his necklace broke before he was hit. [41:36] I always thought that was so strange. [41:37] I was like, somebody explain to me [41:39] why if someone shot him from above, [41:40] his necklace would break first and whip this way. [41:45] I think his necklace whips this way. [41:47] And then he gets hit. [41:49] And then he... [41:50] And I was like, so I just, in my head, [41:52] and I was assuming that it was a gun, [41:53] was like, I think someone was under him. [41:55] Like, that's the only thing I would explain. [41:58] His shirt doing whatever. [42:00] And then I saw John Bray, who you're referring to. [42:03] He was online, and he was talking about this explosive. [42:08] And I saw that, and I was like, in my head, [42:12] with my limited knowledge on what he was speaking about, [42:14] I went, oh, well, it's not gonna be explosive, [42:16] because then if it was a bomb, [42:17] Charlie would have been burned and charred, [42:18] and I knew that his body was not burned and charred. [42:22] And so I... But I kept following him. [42:24] And what happened was we got exclusively the car photos. [42:29] And the car that transported Charlie to the hospital, [42:34] what that car looked like, [42:35] which they tried very quickly to get rid of that car. [42:37] They towed it, had it sent for, like, to be cleaned and resold, [42:41] which is also an absolute nonsense. [42:43] That car would have been put into evidence. [42:45] But when I saw the car pics, first thing I said was, [42:49] oh, that's so weird. [42:50] Like, well, why is there black glass on the floor? [42:53] Right away, just like a ton of, like, black, [42:56] what looked to my eye as glass shards on the floor. [42:59] And John Bray messaged me, and he said, on X, he said, [43:03] I just watched your episode. [43:06] That's exactly what I was looking for to support my theory. [43:09] And then I said, what do you mean? [43:11] He said, I've been saying that his road mic was rigged, [43:13] but in order for my theory to be true, [43:15] the road mic would have had to explode into a million pieces, [43:17] and that would have been on Charlie, [43:19] and they would have had to get that off of him in the car. [43:22] And so I went, well, I have the car photos. [43:26] And there's very clearly... [43:27] Now, to play devil's advocate, as I always try to do, [43:30] it could have been somebody's sunglasses they stepped on [43:33] that broke into a million. [43:35] And it looks... It's a lot of glass. [43:37] It's in the seat that Charlie was on. [43:39] It's behind. [43:40] It's, I mean, hard plastic, 80... [43:42] I think it's called ABS plastic. [43:44] And if you watch videos of people just smashing a road mic, [43:48] that's exactly what it looks like. [43:49] It's littered all over the floor. [43:50] So now we have to say, why did his necklace break first, [43:55] then his road mic break second? [43:59] And we're looking at a... Now we're looking at a trajectory, [44:01] right, before he gets hit. [44:03] And you do see it move across. [44:05] Like, if you watch the video, again, [44:07] without trying to be an expert, [44:08] if you just sometimes look at a video and say, [44:10] what do you see? Slow it down. [44:12] What do you observe happening? [44:13] And that is what you observe. [44:15] You observe something moving across his chest, [44:17] and then suddenly you see a wound here. [44:20] And that was my starting point. [44:23] And so I never bought the idea that he was on... [44:27] somebody shot him from a lousy rooftop. [44:29] That made no sense to me. [44:30] That nobody saw him shoot him is even crazier to me. [44:34] This is a college campus. [44:35] In the middle of the day, [44:36] somebody would have seen him take a shot. [44:38] And so then what added to me thinking, [44:45] this is now very plausible, [44:46] was the 30-06 super neck, Superman neck. [44:52] You know? Now you're asking us to be idiots. [44:55] Now the demand is for us to be idiots, [44:58] and they did it in such an emotionally manipulative, [45:03] despicable way, which has now become the turning point way, [45:06] which is to just say, God, the Lord, the miracle, the... [45:11] And if you don't believe in it, then you don't believe in God, [45:14] and you're not honoring God if you don't believe [45:16] in the miracle of this. [45:18] This was the biggest lie that Erica told me [45:21] and completely transformed my opinion of her. [45:25] Um, I think, you know, I sat down with her for four hours. [45:29] I was reticent to explore any conspiracies about her. [45:34] I was slow to do it because, first and foremost, [45:38] she's the mother of Charlie's kids. [45:39] That's first and foremost. [45:42] Secondly, it required me to have to go through [45:46] a second stage of grief that I was not ready to do. [45:49] I had a very hard time with Charlie's death. I still do. [45:52] Um, but to be the person that Charlie was speaking to so much [45:57] about how much he wanted love, to when I had to take time off, [46:02] um, and just go to Wyoming and try to get my head right after it, [46:05] I read through all of our messages, you know? [46:08] And so I relived it all. And because you just... [46:11] You know, I was in a phase of denial. [46:13] I was really at that phase where I was hoping, [46:16] and I went through bargaining, I went through anger, [46:19] I went through a very aggressive stage of denial, [46:21] and I think my husband was realizing [46:23] that I needed to get away at that point [46:25] because I was trying to say, like, [46:27] no, maybe he's really alive. [46:28] Like, you know, maybe they put him in witness protection. [46:31] Like, that's that bargaining. [46:32] Mm-hmm. [46:33] And then also the denial that's just in my face. [46:36] And, um, when I got out there and I was reading the messages, [46:40] and, uh, before she came into his life, [46:42] and Charlie just really, really, really wanted love, right? [46:46] That was, like, it. [46:48] And it was almost, like, poetic, the stuff that he was writing [46:51] about how love could kind of make men move mountains. [46:55] And so for me to have to mourn him [47:01] and then have to consider that the thing that he wanted most, [47:05] like, he didn't get, it just gutted me. [47:08] It gutted me. And so, but I couldn't deny it anymore. [47:12] I couldn't deny it. And it was beyond intuition. [47:14] It was beyond her being weird. [47:16] It was beyond her being at the office. [47:18] And then I got the, um, the Zoom calls. [47:23] My assumption was that she was grieving like I was. [47:26] And my assumption, I didn't know she was in the office [47:29] the next week. As soon as she got back, [47:31] she just went straight to the office. [47:32] And... [47:33] She was in the office the next week? [47:35] Yep. As soon as she gave that speech to the podium [47:37] that you saw where she addressed the nation, [47:40] not the I forgive him speech, but, like, the first one. [47:43] That was, like, 48 hours after he died. [47:44] When I saw the funeral... [47:47] Is that what we're calling it? [47:49] ...of her, like, posting Instagram stories [47:53] or whatever it was of her, like, rubbing his dead body, [47:55] I was like, what the fuck is this, dude? [47:58] What is that? [47:59] Yep. And then... [48:00] You're using your dead husband [48:02] as a fucking social media post? [48:04] And beyond that, and again, me ignoring it, [48:08] ignoring all of it, and then it was just, [48:11] actually, on the day that your husband gets shot, [48:15] you didn't have a single one of your family members [48:17] go with you. [48:18] That one family member or friend went with Erica to Utah. [48:23] Wow. [48:24] She went with the person that's holding her in the photo [48:28] when his body's coming off of Air Force One. [48:30] Could you imagine not having your mom, your brother, [48:32] your sister, your cousin, your best friend, I don't know, [48:34] like, your A1 since day one from high school with you, [48:37] when that goes down? No. [48:39] She was every, in one, every single one of those videos, [48:41] she's with the head fundraiser of Turning Point USA. [48:45] The person holding her, hugging her, crying, [48:48] that's Stacey Sheridan. [48:49] She's the chief fundraiser. [48:50] Stacey Sheridan is the one recording her [48:52] while she's in the casket. [48:53] No one can make that make sense. [48:55] You cannot tell me a thousand times [48:58] that you would not have a family member, a cousin, [49:00] a brother, somebody other than just all Turning Point people. [49:05] And mind you, the vice president is offering to fly over. [49:09] Whoever you want. [49:11] So this isn't like, oh, we couldn't get to Utah. [49:13] Like, your family will crawl over glass to get to you. [49:16] You go through something like that. [49:18] And she didn't have anybody, not her aunts, nobody. [49:22] Just Stacey Sheridan recording all of those private moments. [49:26] And again, those were the things, I mean, [49:28] I think I just assumed that her family was there. [49:30] I assumed, because Charlie's family was there. [49:32] His sister was there, his mother was there, his brother was there. [49:35] I mean, his mother and father were there. [49:38] She just had Mama Stacey, as I call it, [49:41] which is the woman who's all about raising money. [49:43] And when did you guys get so close? [49:46] You don't need anybody else for emotional support here. [49:49] And so you're correct. [49:50] That was intentionally recorded for us to raise money [49:56] at the end of the day. [49:57] But the lie that she told that I couldn't get over [50:01] was when she lied about the 30-06. [50:07] And she... [50:08] What did she lie about that? [50:10] What did she say? [50:10] So what we thought happened, and this is, [50:14] I think I single-handedly ruined the plan, so to speak. [50:18] But what happened was I, my eyes when I was watching the event, [50:24] as someone who had gone on tour with Charlie every single year [50:28] since 2018, 2017, so 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, up until 2024, [50:34] which is the first time they started doing [50:35] this double mic thing on him, right? [50:37] The fall of 2024, as I'm going, why is Terrell there? [50:41] The first thing I drew my eye was like, [50:43] why is the head of audiovisual here? [50:45] He doesn't come on campus events. This is new. [50:48] And then I see that he's taking the camera down. [50:51] And I'm like, that's weird. [50:52] And the internet's going crazy about this. [50:53] So I'm like, well, Terrell's been there for 12 years, [50:55] maybe longer. [50:56] I know, I'm just going to call him and ask him what's up. [50:58] Like, maybe there's a reason, and I assumed he was going [51:01] to say something like, you know, the police asked me to. [51:04] I don't know. He wanted to see the footage. [51:06] Instead, he was the first person that made me realize [51:08] something was very wrong because he was very nervous on the phone. [51:11] I asked him if I could see the back footage just to, like, [51:13] clarify with people, like, looking out for you, Terrell. [51:17] I can tell them what's going on. [51:19] And his energy was just completely wrong. [51:20] He came up with a million excuses why I couldn't see the back footage. [51:23] He told me he didn't know how to send a file. [51:25] I'm like, Terrell, you run an audiovisual company. [51:27] You know how to send a file. [51:28] Then he told me, oh, yeah, I do know how to send a file, [51:31] but I really didn't... [51:33] I'm afraid Google's going to hack me if I send it. [51:36] And I said, Google's going to hack you [51:39] if you send me the file of the back footage. [51:41] And I didn't accept that, obviously. [51:44] And then he said, well, I grabbed the camera for Erica [51:48] so that she wouldn't have to relive her husband dying [51:50] over and over again. [51:52] And I said, his death was live-streamed. [51:54] Everyone saw Charlie die. [51:55] The back footage is not, like, that's not going to be anything. [51:58] So I knew something was wrong with the back footage. [52:00] And I kept pressing him for two days. [52:03] And finally, he said, well, I'll FaceTime you and show you it. [52:08] And I hit record on the face. [52:10] I just didn't know, just my instincts. [52:12] And someone on my team was like, you should record this. [52:15] And I recorded it. [52:16] And the first thing I thought that was so strange [52:19] was there was no blood. [52:20] The bullet didn't go through. [52:22] There was no blood. [52:23] Charlie's shirt was crisp, white, from the moment he went down. [52:27] And I went, that's odd. [52:30] So I, at that moment, recorded it, had it, hung up with him, [52:36] told my audience what I saw. [52:39] And there was, apparently, mass panic, [52:42] which I now know how the full story went. [52:44] This was the day of Charlie's actual funeral. [52:47] Not the WWE memorial event, but the actual funeral, [52:50] which was the night before. [52:51] And they panicked that I had seen the footage. [52:55] And somebody at the FBI called Turning Point [52:59] and asked explicitly to Justin Strife [53:03] whether or not I had recorded it. [53:05] At that point, Justin Strife, who is the COO of Turning Point USA, [53:11] messaged my husband, called my husband, [53:13] and wanted to know whether or not I had recorded it. [53:15] And my husband has no idea what he's talking about. [53:18] He's not, he's like, he runs the business. [53:20] He's like, I don't know what you're talking about. [53:21] He then comes out to me, and he's like, [53:23] Justin Strife keeps asking if you recorded this footage. [53:25] What's he talking about? [53:26] And instantly in my mind, I said, [53:27] that's a really weird question. [53:29] Why does it matter? [53:30] Why does it matter if I recorded the footage? [53:32] And I said, don't answer him. [53:35] I'll deal with it. [53:37] And then what happened, this is all happening on the day [53:42] of Charlie's actual funeral. [53:43] No one should be caring about back footage, anything. [53:45] Why is the FBI calling? [53:47] What then happened was Erica peeled off [53:49] from Charlie's actual funeral, his wife, [53:52] and she called the surgeon with Andrew Colvette [53:56] on the phone, a three-way call. [53:57] And the story that Andrew would then write, [54:02] because then he tweeted on the day of Charlie's funeral, [54:04] and said, people want to know why there was, you know, no blood. [54:08] And then the surgeon says that it was a miracle. [54:11] And you remember this ridiculous tweet, [54:14] Charlie ate really healthy, and this, [54:17] normally it would have taken down a moose, [54:19] but he really was the man of steel, [54:23] and this is like a modern-day Christian miracle. [54:25] I mean, total slop for the masses. [54:29] And everyone then went, what the F? [54:31] It didn't go through. [54:32] Like, you're confirming this didn't go through. [54:34] Something's wrong here, right? [54:36] When I asked Erica about this, [54:38] and I didn't know about this thing that happened [54:40] at the funeral, I asked her, why did Andrew send this tweet? [54:44] And she said to me, he went rogue. [54:47] I didn't know he sent the tweet. [54:49] I said, Andrew, Andrew went rogue, [54:54] and she said, called the surgeon. [54:55] I said, the surgeon spoke to Andrew without your permission? [54:58] And she said, yeah. [55:00] I said, so the surgeon to the highest profile assassination [55:05] since JFK, violated HIPAA, went rogue, [55:09] spoke to some random PR guy he doesn't know, [55:12] who also went rogue. [55:13] And then at the conclusion of this conversation, [55:15] Andrew tweeted something without your permission [55:18] and went rogue again. [55:19] And she said, yeah. [55:20] And then I got the information that she completely lied. [55:23] How'd you figure that out? [55:25] A source. [55:26] That she was the one who initiated the phone call, [55:29] and Andrew was on it, and that the surgeon never said that, [55:32] what was put on online. [55:34] In fact, that's largely embarrassing to a surgeon, [55:36] because you're saying he violated HIPAA, right? [55:38] And he's an idiot. [55:39] Like, he's an idiot. [55:41] Like, it's a modern-day miracle. [55:42] Not only that, but it's not the surgeon's job. [55:44] So what happened was she said to the surgeon, allegedly, [55:49] how can we explain to people that the .30-06 didn't go through? [55:54] And the surgeon doesn't know anything about whether it's .30-06. [55:57] He is a hunter. He hunts. [55:59] And he said, I don't know. [56:00] Like, you know, maybe it was a frangible bullet or something. [56:02] I have no idea. [56:03] And he's going off of them saying it was a .30-06. [56:06] And at that point, Erika offered an explanation. [56:09] And she said, well, my baby, you know, he ate so healthy. [56:13] And I'm sure it's like he had a Man of Steel neck, [56:17] because he ate so healthy. [56:18] So, wasn't there a picture of Robinson standing at a Dairy Queen [56:22] right in front of a poster that said Man of Steel? [56:25] Yeah. Which actually was in theaters, [56:27] and so that was, like, weird. [56:28] But Erika, that quotation and that explanation came from Erika [56:33] as she was trying to pull an excuse out of the surgeon, [56:36] which somehow got elevated to the number one priority [56:39] on the day of her husband's actual funeral. [56:41] They were stressed out that the public had learned [56:44] that the bullet didn't go through. [56:45] Why would you be stressed out about that? [56:47] I wouldn't be mourning my wife or my significant other. [56:55] Yeah. You know, I wouldn't be... [56:56] Trying to work out. [57:00] So, what do you think is going on? [57:04] I mean, who is Tyler Robinson? [57:06] What the fuck was he doing there? [57:08] Who do you think is behind this? [57:10] I don't think Tyler Robinson was there. [57:13] You don't think he was there? [57:14] No. I think he's a total patsy. [57:16] I think they get lookalikes and they got everybody wearing the same outfit. [57:20] I think he played a role, and I believe that what he did was [57:23] he picked up clothes and he dumped them behind the Dairy Queen. [57:28] I think he had a role, but I do not believe that Tyler Robinson [57:33] is the person who was walking in that staircase. [57:35] I do not believe the person walking in the staircase [57:38] was even the person that we saw running off of the roof. [57:41] I don't even know what day that person was running off the roof, [57:43] because there's only one eyewitness to him having been on the roof [57:51] and the person who says that he saw him crouching low, [57:53] the person that shared the video of the guy on the roof [57:57] and was like, look up here. [57:58] Somebody just got up there. I spoke to that individual. [58:02] And he never saw a shot fired. [58:05] Never said that he saw a shot fired. [58:07] Knows about weapons and finds it really unusual [58:12] that the prosecution hasn't reached out to him. [58:16] So, I don't know what happened. [58:21] I just know what didn't happen. [58:23] And I feel confident stating that Tyler Robinson did not kill, [58:28] murder Charlie Kirk, whether or not he was an accessory to the crime. [58:32] Do I believe he was at Dairy Queen dropping off clothes? Yeah. [58:36] How did he get mixed up in that? I don't know. Maybe he was blackmailed. [58:40] Maybe he got involved in some weird stuff online. [58:45] That's the easiest way for the feds to blackmail someone. [58:47] I think his roommate is a federal asset, Lance Twiggs. [58:51] The person who- Why do you think that? [58:52] Because the police didn't even question him. [58:55] Which is bonkers. Yeah. Lance Twiggs. [58:58] I spoke to Lance Twiggs, his family, and they think he's involved. [59:04] And they don't understand why the police just sat him down for a few hours [59:08] and let him go. And they said he's involved in a lot of bad stuff. [59:15] He lived with them for a little bit. [59:17] That he's into, you know, weird categories of pornography as well. [59:22] And so they were shocked that the police just had never had any interest [59:28] in Lance Twiggs. [59:29] And he is crucial to the story that they're trying to tell, [59:31] is the roommate. [59:33] If you're dating, if they're in a gay relationship, [59:36] and you're dating him, you would have access to his guns. [59:38] You would have access to- You could easily set up somebody [59:41] that you're dating. [59:42] And that's what my gut tells me, [59:46] is Lance Twiggs was a federal asset. [59:48] Is a federal asset. [59:50] Shit. Who was the guy- Wasn't there a guy that said he did it? [59:55] That was also at 9-11 or something? [59:58] Oh, I call him decoy boy number one, George Zinn. [1:00:00] What the fuck is that? [1:00:02] So, George Zinn instantly gets up, says he did it, [1:00:05] his pants fall, and people are recording him. [1:00:08] And it creates, I guess, just a bit of a distraction. [1:00:11] What I have on authority from the hospital that he went to after, [1:00:16] he went to the hospital to get treated for some mild injuries, [1:00:19] is that he told the nurses that he was paid to do it, [1:00:23] but he didn't know where the money was coming from. [1:00:25] And this guy was also in New York when 9-11 happened? [1:00:30] I don't know if he was in New York, but he has some story about 9-11. [1:00:35] There's some weird connection. [1:00:37] Some very weird connection, yeah. [1:00:38] I don't know exactly what it is. I can't remember of it. [1:00:40] No, you're correct. [1:00:43] But that's what he told the nurses that day, [1:00:45] that he was paid to do that. [1:00:46] But he didn't know who exactly was paying him, [1:00:49] just that he was going to be paid for that. [1:00:51] Do you think he was killed because he was going against Israel? [1:00:54] 1,000 percent. [1:00:57] Why him? [1:00:58] Lots of... You go against Israel. [1:01:02] Why not you? [1:01:04] Why are you still here? [1:01:05] I think if Andrew Colbett is to be believed, [1:01:09] you know, he told me it was supposed to be me, [1:01:11] which was an interesting thing to say. [1:01:12] What? [1:01:13] Andrew Colbett said to me a few days after the assassination, [1:01:17] and at the moment, I just took it as poorly expressed grief, [1:01:21] you know, because I didn't find Andrew to be suspicious, [1:01:25] because I just didn't... My mind wasn't there, [1:01:28] but he said to me on the phone, [1:01:30] it was supposed to be you, verbatim. [1:01:32] Are you serious? [1:01:34] But I thought that was just... [1:01:38] He was crying. I was crying. I thought he just said something. [1:01:40] He legitimately said it was supposed to be you. [1:01:42] It was supposed to be you. [1:01:43] So I have questions about that now. [1:01:45] Given everything that happened in the lead up to that, [1:01:49] I think Charlie... I think Charlie knew something. [1:01:53] I think the biggest question that has not been answered in all of this [1:01:59] is what happened at the Hamptons when Bibi Netanyahu called. [1:02:04] I don't know about this. [1:02:07] So it was a couple of weeks before Charlie died. [1:02:12] Well, August 5th and 6th, he did a summit at Bill Ackman's house, [1:02:17] where, you know, Bill Ackman was kind of hosting a bunch of pro-Israel people. [1:02:23] And Charlie was pressed on his view, his changing views. [1:02:27] And he was pressed by Seth Dillon. [1:02:30] Um, voices were raised. [1:02:33] And he wanted to know why he's not, you know, why you can't criticize Bibi Netanyahu and not be called anti-Semitic. [1:02:42] There was a smaller dinner that took place and Bill Ackman, Erika was present and Bibi Netanyahu called. [1:02:54] Now, what I was told directly from Andrew Colbert, which Erika didn't know that my source was Andrew Colbert on this, [1:03:03] she was surprised in person when I told her this, [1:03:06] was that Bibi offered to take Turning Point USA to the next level. [1:03:12] And Charlie said, no, in exchange for what? [1:03:19] Also, how does an organization that's pulling in $150 million a year [1:03:25] what is the next level? [1:03:26] That's a lot of money, $100 million a year. [1:03:28] In exchange for what? [1:03:30] Do you think he, in exchange for him pledging to preach free markets and capitalism? [1:03:35] So at the moment that you refuse an offer from a man that deranged, that psychopathic, that bloodthirsty, you... [1:03:46] That much power. [1:03:48] You know something. You know something. [1:03:51] He obviously has an enormous amount of influence over the current administration. [1:03:56] Correct. [1:03:56] I mean, an enormous amount of influence. It's pretty fucking obvious. [1:04:01] I think everybody's seeing it. [1:04:03] In exchange for what? I'll take your company to the next level. [1:04:07] Cool. In exchange for what? I think it's a trillion-dollar question. [1:04:14] And Erika, when I asked her about that, and she admitted the Bibi Netanyahu call happened, [1:04:24] that she was there, and she said, oh, he was just calling because Charlie had written him a letter in May. [1:04:30] And it's just so stupid. So stupid. Oh, he's not busy. He just was calling to say, hey, toodles. [1:04:36] Like, I just wanted to know how you're doing. I saw your letter. Thanks for it. [1:04:39] And he was just... I said, that's it. Okay. So I'm supposed to believe Andrew lied about that, that he offered to take it to the next level. [1:04:48] And she was coming to say, no, that didn't happen. He just wanted to just check in with Charlie. [1:04:52] That's not true. She's lying. And I know she's lying, because then somebody in Andrew Colbett's family orbit reached out to me and said that that definitively happened, [1:05:04] because Andrew said that when Charlie said no, he lost millions. Andrew Colbett lost millions when Charlie said no. [1:05:11] Now, you wonder, how does a PR guy lose millions? He's a spokesperson for Turning Point USA. [1:05:16] And then I had to remind myself that he owns a piece of the Charlie Kirk show, right? [1:05:21] So I don't know if it was going to be via the Charlie Kirk show, which was at that moment with Salem. [1:05:30] Salem has recently filed under Farah. They're working with that Faith by Works and the whole thing, and Salem is a part of that filing. [1:05:42] So they are effectively foreign agents. I don't know how that money was going to come in. [1:05:47] That's another question, that if we had any real journalists, they would be exploring that. [1:05:51] But, yeah, Bibi Netanyahu calling, and Charlie not just refusing it, but he had anger towards Bibi. He did. [1:06:03] And how do you know? Because Bibi Netanyahu that month did a ton of shows, very strange, by the way, [1:06:10] that a prime minister of Israel was suddenly hitting the orbit doing PR. He did a ton of shows. [1:06:19] I mean, Patrick Bette David's show, Brandon Tatum's show. And he hadn't before that done any sort of podcasting since he was hawking his book, [1:06:29] you know, like years ago. He didn't do Charlie Kirk's show because Charlie didn't want to have him on. [1:06:34] Again, something told to me as a fact by Andrew Colbert. Charlie refused to have Bibi Netanyahu on his show. [1:06:40] So if you want to know how Charlie was feeling about Israel and Bibi Netanyahu, there's your answer. [1:06:46] How people couldn't see the Israel threat in this doesn't make any sense to me. [1:06:53] I can't believe he said it was supposed to be you. [1:06:56] He did. [1:06:57] Does that scare you? [1:06:59] I mean... [1:07:01] You seem fearless. [1:07:03] I... We're all here for a blip. And I think it's not about not having any fears. It's about what scares me more. Right? [1:07:13] What scares me more is considering the world that our children will inherit if we stay quiet. [1:07:23] Because we feel it right now. We feel the squeeze. We feel the evil. We feel the cloud. It's there. [1:07:28] And you have a bunch of people who, whether it's for money or for fear, are allowing it to happen. [1:07:35] And there are so many historical lessons about what can happen to a country when good men do nothing. [1:07:45] And so what scares me is thinking about what it's going to be like in America when my children are my age. [1:07:52] Because I was too scared to say something when Charlie Kirk was publicly assassinated [1:08:00] and the most powerful people in the country colluded to lie about it. [1:08:04] If Charlie Kirk was not safe in the United States of America, nobody is. Nobody is. [1:08:11] Do you feel this is your responsibility? [1:08:15] To figure out what happened and to keep the investigation going? [1:08:20] I don't know if it's like my... I don't know if responsibility would be the word that I would use. [1:08:33] I just... I just know that it's a part of my journey. [1:08:39] I know that it's not a coincidence that Charlie kept telling me he was going to die young, [1:08:47] that he had really, really deep visions about his death in 2018, very specific visions about the fact that he was going to die young, [1:08:58] and that he knew that I would be the one to fight. [1:09:02] You know, there are things that we don't understand. We're not meant to understand them, right? [1:09:07] I... But there is something that is moving me that feels bigger than me. [1:09:12] I know it matters. And when I read back those conversations [1:09:16] and think about how I was like, you need to get some sleep. You're probably just tired. [1:09:21] No, you're not going to die young. You know, my death is going to be tied to Turning Point USA. [1:09:25] From the moment I signed on the dotted line, he said. He said he has the dream. He had the dreams repeatedly. [1:09:32] What were their dreams? [1:09:33] That he was going to die young. That he was going to die in a very tragic way. [1:09:38] And that his death would be tied to, like, saving the world, waking up the world about something. [1:09:48] And at the time, I just... I didn't... I mean, what do you say with that, right? [1:09:58] It'd be weird if I was like, okay, sure, give me a plan. What would you like me to do when you die young? [1:10:02] Like, what was I going to say? When I read it back, it's haunting. It haunts me. [1:10:07] And it haunts me because now, in the way that he was dreaming in 2018, [1:10:12] I have had the most vivid dream since he's died. [1:10:15] And I don't discount them. I know there is just something spiritually pulling me and guiding me in ways that I don't really understand. [1:10:26] And so, I just give in to that. It's like he went out and something awakened in me. [1:10:35] I mean, when you're talking about evil prevails when good men do nothing, do you think that... [1:10:44] I think about this all the time, too. It's one of my favorite quotes. [1:10:48] I feel it's... Part of me feels like it's a responsibility to do what I do, just like you do, I think. [1:10:55] And... But how much impact do you think you can really make? [1:11:00] You know, I try not to stop and measure my impact. [1:11:06] I know that every day when I wake up and when I decide what I want to cover, I am doing it out of a unique passion. I care. [1:11:15] And something is motivating me that's real. And I think people respond to that. And it's made a difference. [1:11:22] Charlie is trending every day. He's trending every day. And that's not what they wanted. [1:11:26] They wanted everyone to stop talking about him the moment Erica and Trump hugged on stage at the memorial. [1:11:32] And she said, I forgive him. That was supposed to be the end. [1:11:35] That was so weird, too. [1:11:36] It was weird. Everything was weird. [1:11:38] Everything has been strange. Most of all, his wife. [1:11:44] And watching this almost subhuman answer that they are trying to provide, which is, well, we have money. [1:11:56] We have power. So just get in line. [1:11:59] Like, that's gonna be the cure here for all the skepticism, is just to apply more money, more influencers, [1:12:09] more attacks on the people who are looking into it. [1:12:13] I mean, Turning Point USA attacking Joe Kent. [1:12:16] I mean, it's just for trying to investigate whether there could have been any foreign ties. [1:12:21] Think about how bizarre that is. [1:12:23] Oh, I know. [1:12:24] And what's more bizarre is that they don't recognize it as bizarre when they do it. [1:12:28] What's wrong with these people? [1:12:30] The social IQ there is something that disturbs me. [1:12:37] Their inability to understand that what they're doing is going to register to the public as remarkably suspicious. [1:12:45] Case in point, did no one tell you that you shouldn't be on a Zoom call laughing about emojis six days after your husband got killed? [1:12:53] Does someone have to tell you that? [1:12:55] What has been rinsed out of you that you don't recognize that there's something deeply wrong with that? [1:13:01] To get onto a Zoom call 11 days after he's been assassinated and say, [1:13:07] we're moving on with Turning Point 2.0. [1:13:10] My husband is dead, not to be morbid, but he's dead. [1:13:13] That's acceptance. [1:13:14] Do you think that she had something to do with it? [1:13:17] She was complicit? [1:13:19] Or do you, I mean, we were talking about this earlier. [1:13:22] I came here from Boca Raton for it's the shallowest fucking place on the planet. [1:13:27] You see 19-year-old girls with 76-year-old men every single day playing tonsil hockey and more, you know? [1:13:37] And that's just what that place is. [1:13:40] Do you think that maybe she, when they met, she was, you know, she just saw a paycheck and she's a narcissist [1:13:50] and had no feelings, no love, no nothing for him, just wanted to marry into a guy who's making $150 million a year? [1:13:58] Even if everything you just said was true, she was motivated by money to marry him, she didn't actually love him. [1:14:06] Let's even add that she hated him secretly, right? [1:14:09] When someone dies like that, you still have a human reaction. [1:14:16] Mm-hmm. [1:14:16] So let's, who would you say is his arch nemesis? Nick Fuentes, okay? [1:14:21] Mm-hmm. [1:14:22] He delivered a more impassioned response to what happened to Charlie than Charlie's wife did. [1:14:28] Even your worst enemy. [1:14:32] That's what I'm saying, like, forget, remove all that. [1:14:34] Even if it's your worst enemy in life, when someone dies like that, it stirs you, because you're like, [1:14:40] okay, I really didn't like this guy, but like, man, I didn't want him to die like that, you know? [1:14:46] That's not how I wanted, I wanted to, you know, debate him. [1:14:51] Mm-hmm. [1:14:52] I was having fun hating him, whatever it is, that we couldn't get that from his wife. [1:14:58] And when I go back, because I think I did suffer, my sister said to me, you know, right away she came down, I couldn't eat. [1:15:05] And she said to me, Candice, you need to recognize that, to watch somebody that you know die like that, it's like a brain trauma. [1:15:13] Like, my brain was like trying, and I'm sure you understand this, because military guys deal with death, I think, a lot more than we do, like traumatic death like this. [1:15:22] But it's like a brain trauma, is the only way you can describe it. [1:15:24] And so I was not even paying attention to certain things that I now see with very clear eyes, like her speech, like you said, at the memorial. [1:15:32] Erica actually doesn't really tell you anything about Charlie in that speech. [1:15:36] It's a speech that's laying the groundwork for Turning Point 2.0. [1:15:39] She tells you, every time she speaks about Charlie, she actually tells you about how great she is, how much he loved her, how he wrote her notes, [1:15:47] how he wanted her to take over Turning Point USA. [1:15:50] And she didn't write the speech, I learned that, because they fired a bunch of people, that she didn't write the speech. [1:15:55] Erica doesn't write her own speeches. [1:15:57] The idea of not writing the eulogy, and that's why we don't learn anything about him, that we couldn't find on Wikipedia, there was no... [1:16:08] Substance. [1:16:09] There was no substance. [1:16:10] Who was Charlie outside of Turning Point USA? You can't find out in that speech. [1:16:14] All Charlie wanted was Turning Point USA 2.0. [1:16:18] Turning Point, Turning Point. He cared about the students. [1:16:20] He cared about looking after men like Tyler Robinson. I forgive him. [1:16:24] This is what Turning Point's all about. Turning Point, Turning Point. [1:16:27] How many times they say Turning Point. [1:16:29] I mean, even at her podium speech, and I felt weird about it the first time, the 48 hours afterwards, she said, [1:16:35] you want to help? Here's what you can do. Go to TurningPointUSA.com. [1:16:38] Out of nowhere, an ad read. The first time she addresses the nation, go to TurningPointUSA.com. [1:16:44] Holy shit. [1:16:46] I can't even, like, stomach the idea of being able to say something like that, but her whole idea was that this is what he wanted. [1:16:55] He wanted your money to go to Turning Point USA. And then you can contrast it with Vanessa's speech, Vanessa Bryant's speech. [1:17:04] And you see what a grieving widow looks like. And you listen to the story she told. [1:17:11] I rewatched her speech, and I couldn't get through it, because I loved Kobe. I loved Kobe Bryant. [1:17:17] And I loved Kobe on the court. He was amazing at what he did. But how weird if she had given a speech of, like, he dribbled every single day. [1:17:25] And what he loved was the Lakers. And if you want to support the Lakers and support my... [1:17:29] She said, we didn't even know Kobe. By the time you get through her speech, you realize you didn't know Kobe. [1:17:37] I loved Kobe, who he was in the court. This is her husband, and she knew Kobe. And she shared that with us in her eulogy of Vanessa Bryant. [1:17:46] Like, who he was as a father, who he was at home. And you realize there's no humanity in Erica's speech. [1:17:55] She doesn't want you to think of Charlie as anything other than a vehicle for TurningPointUSA. [1:17:59] And he was so much more than that. He was so much more than that. [1:18:02] Like... And, um, I think that's why, in retrospect, people watched my show. [1:18:11] And people like Tila Loren said, why do I feel like... She tweeted, why do I feel like Candace Owens is the only one that actually cared about him? [1:18:17] I didn't even realize that when I was just saying, you know, sharing all of those, like, little moments that I had with Charlie, [1:18:23] that that was unique. And that nobody was getting that from anybody who worked with him. [1:18:29] They were just trying to encourage you to donate to TurningPointUSA. This is what he would have wanted you to do. [1:18:33] Holy shit. [1:18:36] He wasn't, like, yes, yes, he loved building and he loved politics and all those things, but the actual Charlie was, um, he was just so funny. [1:18:47] Like, I mean, it's just like the fact that they didn't tell you who Charlie was and how he was really good at voices and, like, he could mimic anybody's voice. [1:18:54] And, uh, he was just... He just had the best sense of humor. He really did. [1:19:00] And everything was just left on the table. They didn't care. It was all about building what Erika was going to step into. [1:19:10] Man. Wow. [1:19:14] Man. Wow. [1:19:15] Man. Wow. [1:19:15] Man. Wow.