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"There's a paragraph that used to sit on the public website of a religious tribunal operating just outside Dallas. If you searched for it today, you would not find it. The tribunal changed its own page. But before the language disappeared, a congresswoman from Wyoming printed it, carried it into a..."
[0:00] There's a paragraph that used to sit on the public website of a religious tribunal operating just
[0:05] outside Dallas. If you searched for it today, you would not find it. The tribunal changed its own
[0:10] page. But before the language disappeared, a congresswoman from Wyoming printed it, carried
[0:16] it into a house judiciary hearing room, and read it into the permanent record of the United States
[0:21] Congress, where nothing can ever be deleted. The exact words are in the back half of this video,
[0:27] and they're stranger than you are imagining. There is a little girl in a Texas suburb whose
[0:32] entire future runs through that paragraph. There are two organizations named under oath in that room,
[0:38] and there is one word answer at the very end that closes the whole question. The hearing room was a
[0:44] White House Judiciary Committee chamber on the third floor of the Rayburn building. The witness at the
[0:50] table was identified for the record as Miss Mecklenburg, a researcher and former member of
[0:55] a Muslim community who had spent more than a decade documenting how sharia-based tribunals
[1:00] operate inside American cities. The Republican across from her was Harriet Hageman of Wyoming,
[1:06] a constitutional lawyer who argued federal cases for 25 years before she ran for Congress.
[1:12] You may have already seen 30 seconds of this hearing. One sentence from this testimony traveled
[1:16] across social media within two days. The sentence in which the witness claimed that councils operating in
[1:22] America had issued religious rulings saying apostates and blasphemers could be killed. That sentence became
[1:28] the headline, but the headline skipped the part a courtroom lawyer would call the evidence. Hageman did not
[1:34] build her five minutes around an accusation. She built it around a document, a printout of a website
[1:40] that no longer reads the way it did when she printed it. Most of the coverage missed what that document
[1:46] actually said. This video is about the paper on her desk. Start with the word the tribunals use to
[1:52] describe themselves, voluntary. Every tribunal identified in this hearing presents its services
[1:57] as something members of the community freely choose, a private alternative for marriage disputes, divorces,
[2:04] inheritance questions, and conflicts with people in positions of leadership. Hageman took that word apart
[2:10] first. First, she asked Mecklenburg whether participation can honestly be called voluntary
[2:15] when the person walking in faces social pressure, family pressure, and community pressure to stay
[2:22] out of American courts. Mecklenburg said yes, people have been coerced into these bodies, and then she went
[2:29] further. She described communities across Texas where a person can now be born, raised, married, and buried
[2:36] without ever dealing with anyone outside the faith. Her phrase for it was fully operational parallel
[2:43] societies. Inside those societies, she said, there are courts. Therefore, the question stopped being
[2:48] whether these tribunals exist. The question became, who runs them? And this is where Mecklenburg said
[2:54] something no previous witness had put on a congressional record. The men acting as judges, she testified,
[3:01] are largely coming in from outside the country. They introduced themselves under many titles,
[3:06] an imam, a sharia expert, a sharia jurist. But look closely, she said, and they are functioning as judges.
[3:13] There's a name on the printout on Hageman's desk we're getting to, and the organization behind that
[3:19] webpage knew exactly what it was building. Here is where the paper comes in. The webpage Hageman printed
[3:25] belonged to one specific tribunal operating near Dallas. Not a rumor of a tribunal. A functioning body
[3:31] with a public website, a state admission, and written opinions about the American legal system.
[3:36] Before this hearing, that website said something remarkable about what the tribunal believed itself
[3:42] to be. I'm going to hold the exact wording a little longer because the order in which Hageman used it
[3:48] matters. First, she laid the constitutional floor. She named the 5th, 6th, 7th, and 14th amendments out loud.
[3:55] The guarantees of due process, counsel, a jury, and equal protection that follow every American into
[4:01] every courtroom in the country. Then she listed what those guarantees look like in practice. Public
[4:07] records anyone can request, decisions that get filed, attorneys in the room, a transcript of every
[4:14] proceeding. That is the machinery that lets you appeal a bad ruling, expose a biased judge, and prove
[4:21] what was said. Then she turned to the witness and asked how much of that machinery exists inside a
[4:27] Sharia tribunal in Texas. Mecklenburg's answer fit in a single breath. It does not. Nothing to request,
[4:35] nothing on file, and no transcript of what was decided. A ruling handed down in a room the United
[4:40] States government cannot see into, over the marriage, the children, or the inheritance of an American
[4:47] citizen. Which brings the hearing to the two names. Mecklenburg identified, on the record,
[4:52] the organizational lawyer above the local tribunals, the Assembly of Muslim Jurists of America,
[4:59] the FIC Council of North America. She described the assembly as the legal arm inside the broader
[5:04] network, the body that issues fatwas, the religious rulings that tribunals on American soil are then
[5:10] expected to enforce. And she told the committee that a current category of those rulings concern what
[5:16] should happen to people who leave the faith or insult it. That claim is hers, delivered under oath,
[5:22] stated twice, and it is the sentence the internet already knows. What the internet does not know is
[5:28] what Hegman was holding while the room went still. She never waved the printout. She never raised her voice
[5:34] about it. A trial lawyer for a quarter century, she understood that the most damaging thing in that
[5:39] chamber was not an accusation from a witness. Accusations can be argued with. The most damaging thing in that
[5:45] chamber was the tribunal's own writing composed by the tribunal, published by the tribunal about the
[5:52] country it operates in. Before the tape rolls, you should know two things are coming after the big
[5:58] moment. Watch what the tribunal did to its own website, and watch the single word that ends the
[6:03] exchange. Here's what the paper said. I'm quoting it exactly as it was read into the congressional record.
[6:09] The tribunal describes itself as a unique institution of its kind in the United States, established with
[6:16] the intention of setting a precedent that would be emulated and duplicated throughout the country.
[6:21] Not a quiet community service, a prototype, in its own words, meant to spread, and then the website graded
[6:28] the alternative. The courts of the United States of America, the tribunal wrote, are costly and consist of
[6:34] ineffective lawyers. A body operating on American soil, ruling over American citizens, publicly declaring
[6:41] the American judicial system beneath its own. Read that line again, then hold on to this.
[6:47] Hegman noted on the record that the tribunal has since altered its website. The founding language is
[6:53] gone from the page. It is not gone from the congressional record because nothing ever is. The words the tribunal
[6:59] no longer once read are now preserved permanently by the government it dismissed. Moments later,
[7:05] Hegman asked the witness to confirm that what she described violates the constitution and the rights
[7:11] of the individuals inside those tribunals. One word came back, correct. After the gavel,
[7:17] the clip of this exchange spread within two days and almost every version of it cut straight to the
[7:22] fatwa sentence. The paragraph you just heard barely made the coverage, even though it is the one piece of
[7:28] evidence written by the other side. Somewhere in a Texas suburb, the little girl Mecklenburg described
[7:35] is growing up inside a community that will not tell her what she is owed under the fifth, the sixth,
[7:41] the seventh, and the 14th. The paragraph that dismissed her country's courts has been scrubbed,
[7:46] the record of it has not. And one more thing, there is an 11 page tribunal proceeds document out of
[7:52] Dallas that never made it into this exchange. That is the next video. See it for yourself.
[7:59] Thank you. In our previous hearing on this topic, I focused on how Sharia-based tribunals
[8:04] will jeopardize America's rights to equal protection and due process under the law,
[8:09] particularly in cases involving women and minors. We learned that the presence of Sharia-based
[8:14] tribunals in the United States date back decades and that it is common practice for these tribunals
[8:20] to stray from a traditional judicial proceedings, meaning that participants risk losing protections
[8:25] guaranteed under the Constitution, as was just being debated. One example of such a tribunal operating
[8:32] near Dallas before altering its website actually prided itself on being a unique institution of its kind
[8:38] in the United States with the intention of setting a precedent that would be emulated and duplicated
[8:44] throughout the country. That same tribunal further claimed that, quote, conflicting problems within
[8:49] American Muslim society may range from personal and family matters, such as marriage and divorce,
[8:54] as well as disputes among community members and those in positions of leadership. The courts of the
[9:00] United States of America are costly and consist of ineffective lawyers, end quote. To be clear,
[9:06] conformity to the Constitution is the governing factor behind the operation of our judicial system.
[9:12] The 5th, 6th, 7th and 14th Amendments are there to ensure that everyone has a right to a fair trial.
[9:19] While the First Amendment is intended to ensure that every American citizen can practice the
[9:24] religion of their choosing, it does not permit any parallel tribunal or body to supersede the role
[9:32] of our judiciary in the protections of those constitutional rights. Ms. Meckelberg, Sharia-based tribunals
[9:39] often label themselves as offering voluntary services, but is it not true that individuals have been
[9:45] coerced into using these bodies because of social, social, familial, and other community pressures?
[9:52] Yes, I was actually saying earlier that right now in communities all across Texas,
[9:58] all across different places throughout the United States, from birth to death, they now have full
[10:03] operational societies that somebody could actually be born in America and never have to operate
[10:09] outside of and deal with any kind of non-Muslim. So within these societies, they have their courts.
[10:15] And if you notice, most of the Imams that are the heads that are coming from outside the country are
[10:21] Sharia judges. And these Sharia judges hand down these different- they use many different names.
[10:29] They will say that they're an imam, they're a Sharia expert, a Sharia jurist, etc. But if you go and you look,
[10:36] these are the people who are acting as the judges within these communities. And there's an entire organization around this.
[10:44] If you look up the assembly Muslim of jurists in America, they're issuing fatwas. We have fic council
[10:50] people who are also, again, that's a Sharia judge. These are people who are putting out fatwas that you can
[10:57] kill apostates, blasphemers. This is happening inside America. And again-
[11:02] That's clearly a violation of the constitution and the rights of the individuals who are involved in
[11:06] those tribunals, correct? Correct.