Chaos Erupts as Mother is Sentenced for Son's Death

[00:00:00] Speaker 1: Going on the record, State of Wisconsin v. D'Aquila Collins, Case 25CF1634, appearances. [00:00:07] Speaker 2: Matthew Tarbinson appears for the state. Good afternoon, Your Honor. [00:00:10] Speaker 1: Attorney Abigail Ruckdash on behalf of Ms. D'Aquila Collins, she appears in person. Good afternoon. My cell phones, please. [00:00:19] Speaker 3: All right, she's in person. Good afternoon, Ms. Collins. We are here for a sentencing of following guilty pleas to two counts. Class one, neglecting a child or the consequences bodily harm as a party to a crime. That's a class H felony. And count two, straw purchase of a firearm, a class G felony. I believe we're ready to go. Don't believe. I don't have any pretrial filings. That speaks to anything, character letters or victim impact statements or anything like that. Is there anything I should have from the state's perspective? [00:01:02] Speaker 2: No. [00:01:02] Speaker 3: From the defense? No. All right. And I'll hear from the state first. [00:01:07] Speaker 2: The state's recommending that the court sentence Ms. Collins to a term in the Wisconsin state prison system of three years initial confinement, four years of extended supervision. On April 1st of 2025, Ms. Collins' six-year-old son, Dequel, accessed a firearm. He possessed that firearm and used that firearm, ultimately resulting in a gunshot wound to his head. Just after 9.30 in the evening, Ms. Collins' mother, Alicia Collins, discovered Dequel with a gunshot wound to the head. She immediately phoned 911. Emergency responders arrived on scene within minutes and attempted life-saving measures on Dequel's body. Those life-saving measures proved unsuccessful and Dequel was pronounced deceased on scene. Dequel was just three days shy of his seventh birthday when he died. The death of Dequel was completely and wholly preventable. We have a problem in Milwaukee County with firearms. We have a problem in Milwaukee County with felons possessing firearms. We have a problem in Milwaukee County with individuals like Ms. Collins purchasing firearms and giving those firearms or allowing felons to use those firearms. An argument can be made that Ms. Collins suffered the greatest penalty one possibly could for her actions already. Because by providing her brother a firearm, by allowing her brother to access her own firearm, she has lost the life of her son. And there probably is no greater penalty for Ms. Collins for that. But when one examines Ms. Collins' text messages in her phone in the month leading up to what happened, it demonstrates that Ms. Collins, with her brother, was acting in concert to get him a gun, to allow him to possess a gun, to allow him to make arrangements to sell her firearm to others in the community. All in an attempt to avoid the consequences. Quintel Collins was a convicted felon. He had just been released on extended supervision for his felony fleeing offense approximately a month or so before this took place. Ms. Collins knew her brother was a convicted felon. She knew he was not to possess a firearm. She actually asked him to assist her in purchasing ammunition for her own firearm. The two would communicate fairly regularly about firearms through text messages. And it was during the late morning hours, just after 11 o'clock in the morning on April 1st of 2025, when Quintel sent a video on Instagram where he was rapping, holding Ms. Collins' firearm and his firearm. Haunting in that video are the feet and the legs of Dequel that can be seen laying on the back of the couch. Also haunting in this case are the text messages that Ms. Collins sends to her brother in the weeks before because she talks about how her son looks up to Quintel, how her son sees Quintel with this firearm that is, according to Ms. Collins, something that Quintel carried every single day with an extended magazine, a convicted felon in her home in front of her own child. And here we have a six-year-old child doing what children do. Children are fantastic mimickers. They watch adults and they want to be like adults. Dequel saw Quintel with a firearm. He wanted to be Quintel because this was glorified. This was cool. And it cost him his life. So in some respects, I understand that Ms. Collins has suffered a great penalty already through her own conduct. When she received that video on April 1st of 2025, she sent a text message back to Quintel while telling him to put her gun up. Ms. Collins also, according to what she told law enforcement, called her mother and asked her mother to address the situation. She had a video demonstrating the danger right before her. She sent a text message to someone who's completely unreliable and laughs, sent a laughing emoji back to her and then sends a message to her mother saying, can you also take care of this situation? And then went about life as if it were normal. She didn't take any additional steps to protect her child to get those guns away. Again, it seems to be just routine and acceptable conduct. I would think a parent who got a video of this with their child in the room would find it extraordinary, would find it alarming, would find it concerning and will want to take actions to protect their child. To Ms. Collins' credit, after the death of her child, she's the one that provided the video of Quintel. She gave a full statement to law enforcement regarding what was taking place, at least with regards to Quintel possessing the firearm. Ms. Collins said that she purchased the firearm because she knew her brother was a convicted felon and knew that he brought a firearm into the house and that he brought drama and therefore, she felt that she needed to possess this gun for protection. Those statements to law enforcement stand in contrast to the text messages that she exchanges with Quintel. It does not appear in her text messages that she's afraid of the people that are coming around as a result of her brother being released, having a gun, and engaging in the conduct that he did. It seems like she is embracing that conduct and wanting to be a part of that conduct. But Ms. Collins does deserve credit for at least in some aspects being cooperative with law enforcement providing the video to law enforcement. With regards to Ms. Collins' character, she has one prior criminal conviction. It's a misdemeanor conviction. It's a retail theft from another county. It's from 2021. Beyond that, I see no other criminal conduct on the part of Ms. Collins. So before this, she had one conviction and for a relatively minor offense. Ms. Collins also deserves taking credit and accepting responsibility in this case by entering a plea, not taking the matter to trial. Certainly, she could have tried to take this case to trial and point the finger at her brother as the main person that was involved, though the text messages would approve that from the state's estimation be it a futile attempt. With regards to protection of the public, there is a need for both specific deterrence and general deterrence in this case. The need for general deterrence in Milwaukee County is huge. There should be consequences for individuals who provide firearms to convicted felons. And that's what Ms. Collins did. our community at large needs to understand that there's going to be consequences, that there's going to be punishment if you try and avoid the laws by facilitating convicted felons getting guns. The state believes that there's also a need for specific deterrence with regards to Ms. Collins. Punishment for her own actions in this particular case. Again, I understand that she has suffered a great loss as a result of her actions. I've taken that into account in two ways. First, in the reduction on the child neglect charge that she entered a plea to. She is not facing a homicide charge for what she was originally charged. And secondarily, I've taken it into account in the recommendation I've made before your honor with regards to the amount of time I'm recommending of living in prison. For all those reasons, the state is respectfully requesting that the court follow the state's recommendation of seven years in the Wisconsin state prison system, three years of initial confinement, followed by four years of extended supervision. I would leave the conditions of extended supervision up to the sound discretion of your honor. Thank you. [00:11:24] Speaker 1: Thank you. Ms. Burk-Tashel? Thank you, Your Honor. Every single person that's in your gallery right now is here to support Ms. Collins. I think that we're getting close to two dozen people here. I think you can see that there's a lot of friends and family members that are here to support Ms. Collins, not only as she navigates this criminal case, but as she navigates the loss of her own son. The main person that's here that I know Ms. Collins relies on is her mother, Ms. Alicia Collins. She's in the front row in the pink. I know Ms. Alicia Collins wanted to address the court at one point, but is feeling a little bit too emotional to do so today, and I think the court can understand that. I know this court knows the galleon factors it must take into consideration here. Obviously, protection of the public, it's clear, Ms. Collins is not a threat to the public. This isn't a shooting that happened and her son was caught in the crossfire or something like that. she wasn't shooting at anyone or being any type of reckless or doing any type of violent crime. She has been out on Justice Point since April of last year. As far as I can tell, there's been no issues with Ms. Collins being out on bond. She reports to Justice Point. She follows this court's order. This court's orders. As far as character of the defendant, Ms. Collins, at the time that this happened, was working a job. She was working at a group home. When she received that message from Mr. Quintel Collins, she was at that job. She did respond to Mr. Quintel Collins when she saw the video and said, you know, something along the lines of, like, don't do that in front of my son. And then he, in his immature ways, sends back a laughing face. Now, should Ms. Collins have followed up? Of course. Now, Ms. Collins did talk to her mother, Ms. Alicia Collins, who is the owner of the house where Ms. Collins, her kids, and Quintel Collins were living. I don't know if that message ever made it to Quintel Collins or if it was too late or what happened with that. The issue that I have here, Your Honor, is sometimes we get caught in our own world here where we think people can leave their jobs whenever they want, run home, do that. Ms. Collins wasn't working a job where she could just leave whenever she wanted. She was working at a group home with elderly people and if she would have just left, those elderly people would have been left alone. That's not something that her job allowed her to do. It's not like she was out in the club. It's not like she was out at a bar and just decided not to come home. She was working a job to provide for her kids. Ms. Collins was arrested. I believe that she has 16 or 17 days of credit from this incident. She did post-bond which was set at 10,000 and has been out on bond that entire time. When she originally was released from custody, she went back to that group home job but was ultimately asked to leave that job given that the state licensing requirements for that group home. They told that group home they can't have someone who's charged with a felony working at that group home. I think that makes sense whether or not we agree with it. Ms. Collins then took it upon herself and has been working at Amazon since then. She works 4-12s so she works 4-on, 3-off and on her off days is when she schedules and takes her children, her two remaining children to therapy. One is four, one is two. Obviously it's a little bit hard for children that little to sort of process what they've gone through and things of that nature so I am really proud of Ms. Collins for taking her kids to therapy no matter how little they are. I believe they go to what's called shoreline therapy. They have offices in Wisconsin, Illinois and Colorado. The two kids do their therapy together because I'm told I don't know if it stems from this incident or what or if the trauma response but the two children cannot be separated from each other. The four-year-old and the two-year-old have to be together all the time. They only have two people that they feel safe with, Ms. Dequayla Collins and Ms. Alicia Collins. If they try to go with other friends and family members, they cry, they will not do it. I think that's understandable given the traumatic loss of their brother. Ms. Collins also receives therapy and she was quite candid with me when she said it's really hard for me to process what happened with my brother. She still wants to love her brother and forgive her brother but I think rightfully that's hard to do when he is responsible for the death of your child and I think she's wrestling with those emotions and I'm glad that she is seeking professional help to work through those emotions because I'm sure that's not easy to do. The family also receives family therapy again from Shoreline Therapy and I am hopeful that there will be positive outcomes for her two remaining children and for Ms. Collins but specifically for her children here. As the state said, Ms. Collins cooperated with police. She showed them the video. She even identified her brother on a surveillance footage for the officers as well as Quintel Collins is running away in the alley. I think that leaves, Your Honor, the severity of this offense and anytime a child, specifically a small child, leaves this world, it's a horrible and terrible offense and I'm not trying to minimize that loss to this family and to this community but Ms. Collins' part in that is small. I think that this case is different even if Ms. Collins does nothing when she receives that video. The fact that she even responded to her brother and told her brother what to put that gun away shows that she was trying the best that she could under the circumstances as being a working mother. Now, we can all have different opinions as to what Ms. Collins should have done but I think it boils down to this. You should be able to trust your own brother. Even if your brother is a felon, even if your brother is being, for lack of a better word, a dumbass and wrapping with firearms, you should be able to trust your brother around his nephew. And I know that Ms. Collins feels betrayed by the fact that she wasn't. I also would like to note that in this situation there were two firearms. The one that Ms. Collins purchased and the one that Quintel Collins apparently had. The one that Quintel hid under the garbage can and then came back but police had already found it. So, it happened to be Ms. Collins' gun that unfortunately Taquarius slash King was able to get a hold of but there was also another gun and I actually think that cuts both ways here but I think it's worth mentioning that the fact that Quintel Collins was in this house at all I think was a danger to King and that isn't Ms. Collins' choice or fault. Some people don't have anywhere else to go but again I still think you should be able to trust your own family. I have another case where with a client left her child with her boyfriend who was clearly not responsible I think that's different here because this is blood family and I think you should be able to trust your blood family when your children are part of them too. So, I think it comes down to this how much do we punish Ms. Collins? That's the only thing that's left the galleon factors point towards her being of good character not a danger to the community and I think her part in this offense that overall is severe is quite small. the state said and I'm going to say it again I think losing her son is punishment enough I really do I don't I think a prison or a jail sentence is going to shake up this remaining family even more than it already has Ms. Collins is doing what we would ask anyone in this situation to do get therapy for yourself get therapy for your kids be a contributing member of society that's what she's doing I looked up some information from the National Institute of Justice about general deterrence they say that evidence suggests that general deterrence has a limited effect it's usually the threat of legal consequences that prevents crimes but research shows that certainty of being caught is vastly more effective than any sort of severity of punishment I don't I understand I live in this community I know that guns affect this community I know people helping people who aren't supposed to have guns is a huge problem in this community we all everyone in this courtroom lives here and knows that there is too much of these type of cases where someone who's innocent ends up dead there's too much but this court doesn't see probationary sentences that often that is what I'm asking this court to impose I believe that all of the galleon factors that this court must consider points to that and I don't believe a prison sentence does anything here for general deterrence or specific deterrence I think that Ms. Collins would be the first one to tell you she doesn't need to be deterred from any type of this or any type of criminal conduct ever again and I don't think general deterrence is something that is going to work in this situation I wish that I had a magic wand to figure to figure out a way to stop gun violence in our communities but sending Ms. Collins to prison isn't it I worry about her two remaining children and how they would be without their mother one of the two people in this entire huge family that's in the gallery that they feel safe with she is doing what she can do to hold her family together during this extraordinary loss I'm asking the court to consider staying three years of prison and putting Ms. Collins on probation quite frankly I think her only probationary needs are to make sure that she stays out of trouble and make sure that she continues to not contact her brother and to make sure she continues to do the type of therapy and rehab rehabilitation she needs to do for her and her children there's no AODA needs I don't think there's any mental health needs if there is they're being addressed by the therapy she's already enrolled in and I quite frankly I think prison would exacerbate some of the issues this family is facing that's all I have your honor [00:23:19] Speaker 3: thank you Ms. Collins what did you want to tell me [00:23:25] Speaker 1: judge Ms. Collins had something written that she wants she wanted to read but she's feeling a little bit too emotional so I think we'll call it [00:23:37] Speaker 3: good read it for her [00:23:38] Speaker 1: that's okay [00:23:39] Speaker 3: okay all right give me a minute she was at work at 930 that night what time did she start work [00:24:37] Speaker 4: how did you start work that day I got there at 7 7 p.m yeah I did first and second shift [00:24:44] Speaker 1: she got there at 7 p.m that day judge [00:24:46] Speaker 4: 7 a.m [00:24:47] Speaker 1: oh 7 a.m [00:24:48] Speaker 4: so we we were 14 and a half oh she worked a double that day I worked first and second shift that's what you were saying I misunderstood the [00:24:56] Speaker 3: criminal complaint speaks of you being at your boyfriend's house when you got the email that was the video [00:25:04] Speaker 1: that was she was at work on the first okay [00:25:10] Speaker 3: the video was sent the day before [00:25:17] Speaker 2: no the video I believe it was sent that day [00:25:19] Speaker 1: she saw it when she was on break from work she went to her boyfriend's house on the 31st and went to work that morning of the first [00:25:27] Speaker 2: I'll pull up her statement your honor [00:25:29] Speaker 1: please do [00:25:57] Speaker ?: her her [00:26:27] Speaker 1: yeah judge the message was sent at 1128 a.m. on April 1st 2025 she left her residence at 1.30 p.m. on March 31st and spent that day with her boyfriend and that night she left for work the morning of April 1st from her boyfriend's house and she received the message at 1128 in the a.m. in the morning when she worked first and second shift at the group home all right [00:27:10] Speaker 3: so whenever I sentence anyone I need to consider three separate things the gravity of the offense the protection of the community and the character of the defendant I acknowledge Ms. Collins' loss of her son and I acknowledge that that must be an unbearable loss I also acknowledge that you're right not everybody can get up and walk [00:28:10] Speaker ?: and walk [00:28:10] Speaker 3: out from work and say I can't do this I have to go home there is an emergency however I also acknowledge that we live in a society where there are rules and there are rules whether someone your blood family or not and while it's true that as far as we can tell Ms. Collins has complied with this court's orders she acted remarkably recklessly with regard to her brother and the absolutely positively cavalier way that she dealt with these guns this story these facts I shouldn't put it as it's a story would be taken in a different light if we didn't have the benefit of the text messages because if this were really someone who said you know I have my own gun for my own safety it is locked in a safe no one has the key no one has combination it's me it's me it's me oh he took a hammer to the safe and broke in and got that lock open and he got it and there was nothing I could do about it that would be a very very different conversation I think I think this is one of these things that everybody thinks that could never happen that would never happen my six-year-old would never pick up a gun he knows better except when you're six almost seven you don't always make the best decisions that's why we don't let kids enter into contracts we don't let kids drive we don't let kids get credit cards we don't let them make grown-up decisions because they're kids I remember once I was in seventh grade my sister had just gotten married and my her sister-in-law so my brother-in-law's sister decided to take me to a festival and she smoked and I thought that was so cool and she said did you want a cigarette and I said sure as if I smoked all the time I was so sick because I didn't smoke but I was certainly trying to be cool because we do things we do things that that people we think are cool we're like oh yeah I'm grown I can do that I don't even know that he had the capacity to think I'm a grown-up I can do this all he knows is he thought his uncle was the shit he probably thought his uncle was the coolest thing he'd ever seen and you knew that because all he was doing was talking about it and the two of you were talking about this is there any word on the heat nope just said shipped as if it's the toaster you're ordering from Amazon is he here yet nope just said shipped okay you tell him to stop popping pills and he which which is good sisterly advice but you know he's apparently doing drugs he says he doesn't want to go to jail I don't know what it means when you say someone's coming with a gun and a broom maybe that's literal I don't know and then he says to you March 20th you can hold this gun until I pay you all your money if you want to after and you say the next day don't be leaving that gun anywhere in here because my son is steady talking about it you knew he wanted to get his hands on it you say my gun came and he says I'll call you in a minute then you tell him bring me my gun now he's not supposed to have a gun you know that did you ever get me some bullets and he says no not yet so you're using him to get you what you need for this in your mind and he's apparently going to sell it for you somebody got 600 for your gun right now then he asks you if you want to make a quick sale and you discuss reporting the gun stolen and then selling the gun and he asks you for his clip back and you give it to him you say you'll give it to him and when he sends you a video that shows him playing with the guns your reaction is not to say oh my god my son is there mom go make sure my son is safe you tattle on him tell him to put my stuff up in retrospect I think your concern was for your son and I acknowledge the pain you must be going through must be unfathomable but you're tattling like a sister does he keeps touching my stuff [00:35:16] Speaker 2: judge I apologize for interrupting but just to provide some further context on page 33 of the police reports in the defendant's interview she admits that she was at her boyfriend's house when she received the Instagram message at 1128 in the morning not at work she also doesn't send or call her mother until 3 o'clock in the afternoon because her mother worked a double that day it was her mother that worked a double and her mother didn't get off of work until 3 p.m so the first contact she had with anyone else in that residence other than sending the single text message back to her brother was her mother at 3 p.m [00:35:53] Speaker 3: the criminal complaint was murky I appreciate your clarification do you agree with it that that's what that police report said Ms. Collins tells me that's not true so but that's what she said do you agree that that's what she said in her statement yes and now she says it's not true correct okay regardless you didn't take steps to protect him you wanted to protect your stuff he didn't pay you for it yet you wanted to stop touching my stuff whether he was going to pay you for whatever the fact is this baby was there and Ms. Ruck-Dashel is absolutely right you should be able to protect your trust your family to protect your children but when they send you absolute billboards full of information that says I'm not protecting your child you have to act and this is what those text messages are these text messages tell you over and over and over I'm concerned about myself that he wants to have guns you think he's always bringing drama there's always stuff going on there and you get the video now I understand you say in your statement I was at my boyfriend's and I knew I couldn't call my mom until she got home you say now you were at work regardless regardless your baby is there and someone you don't trust is messing around with guns and the next thing you know he's dead the first thing I have to consider is probation I simply do not believe in light of what was a just such a blatant blatant disregard of the law I understand you weren't the one that couldn't have guns he was but you were absolutely all in on this and you knew he couldn't have them and the law does not carve out something that says well you can live in a house with a gun if you're a felon because it's your blood because you didn't have anywhere else to go I understand it can make things certainly very uncomfortable for people he'd just gotten out he didn't have a whatever the fact is though that's not the law the law is felons can't have guns and you were working with him in this gun and you're convicted of straw purchase in the firearm so I don't believe probation is appropriate I don't know what needs would be met other than the specific and the general deterrence because the message does need to be sent to the world that this isn't just a suggestion it's not just a yeah if you feel like it probably don't have a gun if you're a felon no you can't disagree with that all you want but the fact is you can not he could not and you knew that and you entrusted your most precious resource to his care probably because you had to work your mom had to work it sounds like you both worked really really hard and you needed someone to care for your child but you can't have this horrible combination of guns and caregiving and just hope nothing's going to happen because nothing happened in the past we've lost all of the wonderfulness that could have been him he could have grown up to be anything he could have grown up to be a really hard worker like you and his grandma he could have grown up to realize that breaking the law is not the way to go he was denied that opportunity I don't think probation is appropriate here this is just simply too serious and I do recognize that the state has reduced the charge and they are making this recommendation which is nowhere near the maximum you're facing for these two charges so it'll be prison and I will get to that at the end and I understand your argument Ms. Rock Daschle as to the damage it's going to do to this family and I'm so sorry for grandma who's now got two of her children who lost her grandson who has those two babies who have suffered this trauma I don't believe they're damaged beyond belief I know that she's going to be able to care for them until you can come home to continue because I don't dispute that you have been caring for them I appreciate that you're taking them to therapy that you're recognizing this and not just ignoring it or saying we'll deal with that after my stuff is done you're recognizing their trauma and I think that bodes well for them and for you conditions of time that you are serving oftentimes I'm asked not to order that there be no contact with the victim's family you are the victim's family so I'm not going to issue anything I will continue the no contact order with the person who has their case open I'm not going to order a no contact order with your brother because you're going to work this through at some point I don't know how I don't know how you come back from this but I'm not going to order a no contact order I don't remember if you told me did you graduate from high school okay I mean that's my bar that's my kind of my low level everybody I think needs that I encourage you to take any educational or vocational programming that you can to put yourself in the strongest position to be there be productive to be there for your kids and to use this time in the best way that you can is it 16 or 17 days I think 17 17 days sentence credit will be ordered you'll have to pay the DNA surcharge as well as the mandatory cost fees and assessments I can't do anything about that the non-mandatory ones I'll waive the non-mandatory but you will have to pay DNA and mandatory that'll be due and payable from your prison funds at a rate to be determined by the department corrections then will be payable as part of your extended supervision and then it will convert to a civil judgment is there any request for restitution no restitution will be set at zero due to the nature of this I am going to find that you are not eligible for the challenge incarceration program or the substance abuse program I don't believe those are issues that need to be addressed with you I am going to order that you have a full mental health assessment and that is not because I believe you have a mental health problem like a diagnosis before this I think you're going to have to learn to deal with all of this and I want you to have that evaluation and continue on with your own therapy so when you get out you are as healthy as possible to assist your kids as you all work through this they're going to not only have suffered the loss of their brother but they will have suffered that you will be gone for a while as well you may not have any firearms as you are now a convicted felon Mr. Torbenson spoke of a problem we have in Milwaukee there are thousands upon thousands upon thousands of people who don't have firearms because I sit in this court I hear from people day after day after day it's dangerous out there I need a firearm you know what that's not working for anybody you are now among those who can never have a firearm and I hope you respect that you never have one again never be around them nobody is winning no one in Milwaukee is winning by just getting more and more firearms you're saying oh well you have a regular firearm so I'm going to get an extended magazine oh you have an extended magazine I'm going to get a switch like it's just escalating beyond everything nobody's winning be the person that says I want to be there for my two year old and my four year old so I'm never going to do this because if they find it in my purse I'm going to prison respect that you cannot vote until your civil rights are reinstated you may never possess body armor if you violate well I didn't order that so you do have the right to appeal my sentence your attorney will go through those rights with you on this I'm going to run these counts concurrent to one another there were decisions made at different points that led up to this but I believe it was all part of [00:47:31] Speaker ?: a [00:47:33] Speaker 3: twisted sense of whatever you were doing with your brother I will sentence you to six years on count one in the Wisconsin State Prison three years initial confinement three years extended supervision that will be concurrent to count two on count two I will sentence you to six years in Wisconsin State prison three years initial confinement three years extended supervision I know I just said a bunch of numbers that means three years in that's the bottom line number for you right now and that's 17 days credit will apply to both because of the way I've structured the sentence and that's I wish I wish [00:48:12] Speaker ?: I wish [00:48:12] Speaker 3: you well Miss Collins [00:48:13] Speaker 4: knock it [00:48:23] Speaker 5: off and put your phone away knock it off and put your phones away or they're going to be taken and the deputies are going to take action [00:48:33] Speaker 4: I love you all. [00:49:03] Speaker ?: I love you all. I love you all.