Canada’s PM says he can wait out Trump’s trade war

[0:00] Prime Minister, thanks for speaking with Politico today. [0:02] Thanks for having me, Nick. [0:03] You've just wrapped up the 21st Canada-EU Summit here in Montreal. [0:08] This is a milestone meeting. [0:09] You're eager to deepen transatlantic ties. [0:12] But there is, we know, some dispute about how to characterize and name the Canada-EU relationship. [0:19] How would you describe the relationship status with the EU in one word? [0:30] Tight. [0:30] I mean, I think that's a little too clever of a question, quite frankly, [0:35] for relations between jurisdictions as complex and multifaceted as Canada-European Union. [0:43] What's clear, and I think what's important is to recognize the ambition and the reality, [0:52] and the reality filling in with the ambition. [0:54] And as we've made clear, President von der Leyen, President Costa, Chancellor Merz, [1:03] I saw a statement from him the other day, he and I speak regularly, [1:06] this is going to be the closest association between any country in the European Union in [1:15] the world, and the ambition around the closest association possible without being a full member [1:22] of the European Union. [1:23] So that is tight, but it's broad, it's multifaceted, and it's designed to do several things. [1:30] It's affordability for our families, opportunity for our students, our people, our businesses, [1:36] our researchers, and reinforce our sovereignty, our independence, by bringing together our complementary [1:43] strengths in a wide range of areas, energy-critical minerals, AI, space, and beyond, so that we can withstand [1:51] shocks, so that others can't leverage against us because of certain choke points or critical [1:57] supply, and in that regard, to continue to ensure that our citizens have the freedoms [2:05] that they enjoy, that they can live their lives as they choose. [2:08] Prime Minister, you said that you speak with the Chancellor of Germany, Merz, frequently. [2:13] Have you expressed some frustration to him about this impasse over associate membership? [2:18] Because we do know that he's blocked it from the joint declaration, and Germany is still [2:24] against the use of that term. [2:25] I think it's, well, I'll make a couple observations. [2:29] One is that the, in terms of frustration, we have a very constructive relationship, so we [2:34] focus on what we're working on together, a variety of global issues. [2:40] He's in Asia at the moment, maybe he's just made it back home, so we've been talking about [2:45] a variety of other elements. [2:47] Number two, in terms of, again, the titles, I can slightly understand why you ask it, but [2:55] I'm not sure the best use of our time is to ask multiple questions about one term, when [3:01] what this is about is a deep cooperation across technology, across trade, across culture, across [3:10] research, across education, working together on common problems with very specific agreements [3:18] that are going to move to address them. [3:22] But given that, do you understand Germany's objection then? [3:24] Well, the issue is a very internal European issue which relates to terminology around countries [3:36] that are in Europe and could ultimately become a member of the European Union, and nomenclature [3:42] that's applied to those countries. [3:45] It's not a Canadian issue, it's an internal, broader European issue, and given where you [3:50] are and Politico's considerable resources, I'm sure you can research and discover the [3:55] details around them. [3:56] Your government also, in Montreal, announced a new national security strategy. [4:00] It identified Frontier AI as a real threat facing Canadians. [4:05] I'm curious how concerned you are about the enormous political, the enormous economic power wielded [4:11] by a handful of global tech executives. [4:14] I think the any time, so thank you for that, the any time that there is a single point of [4:21] risk or a couple of points of risk or points of failure, you should be concerned in terms [4:27] of, and that those relate directly to the core of your economy. [4:31] So let me draw that out and to be more specific. [4:34] So what's been happening over the course of the last several months is Frontier AI models [4:39] have been better able to identify holes in cyber defences which run the risk of financial [4:46] institutions seizing up power systems or other core systems in our economies stopping functioning, [4:55] because they need cyber defences all the time. [4:57] It is not a good idea to have only one solution to that problem. [5:03] It is a good idea to have multiple solutions to those problems and to have some of those [5:08] solutions within your control, either through partnership, direct ownership, direct development. [5:15] And what our national security strategy does is it identifies, not countries per se, but [5:23] it identifies the type of areas where there is that deep strategic risk. [5:29] Mineral minerals is another, energy is obvious, food security is a third, various aspects [5:34] of AI, space technology, increasingly what will happen is a variety of systems in our economies [5:41] will run, will be connected to space, to satellites in some form. [5:45] Well if you're connected to a satellite system that a billionaire, almost trillionaire, decides [5:51] to turn off at one moment or not, that's not a good idea either. [5:55] So having the redundancy. [5:56] So what's one of the things that we in Europe are doing, which is cooperating, pooling our [6:01] space assets, some of our space assets, Europe as you know has iris squared, we have some [6:06] leadership in low earth orbit satellite, some other technologies can come together, which [6:11] creates some parallel systems, redundancy, independence, sovereignty, and then there is not that risk [6:20] that you just described. [6:22] But you alluded to what Elon Musk did with Starlink and Starshield, that was a huge problem [6:27] for Ukraine on the battlefield. [6:28] Yeah. [6:29] It took days to resolve, it still has exposed the extent to which Ukraine is vulnerable. [6:34] And there's nothing as far as I can tell that Canada, that Europe can do to replace that [6:40] capability now. [6:41] Well, I mean, instantaneously, you can't, instantaneously. [6:44] How long would it take? [6:45] It takes, look, what our LEO constellation will be operable in 2028, Europe's a few years [6:53] later, I'll say roughly, we can help bridge to Europe's constellation, and or we can help [7:02] scale and pool those two constellations. [7:04] Those are the types of things you can do if you're deliberate about them and focus on them [7:09] and accelerate. [7:10] And that's exactly what we're doing. [7:12] So there are risks. [7:15] Now we are not, we have not hooked our dependencies to that system, our defenses to that system, [7:24] nor would we given the track record. [7:28] Do you think the CEOs are doing enough when you consider the risk from AI? [7:33] I mean, you've identified it as a big threat to humanity. [7:36] Yeah. [7:38] I mean, the idea of slowing down gets mentioned and then shut down. [7:42] Are the tech company CEOs who you speak to, do you feel like they're taking the risk seriously [7:46] and preventing it? [7:48] You know, I don't know if this is a contrarian view, but the ones I speak to, Demis Asabas [7:53] would be an example, Nobel laureate at Google DeepMind, Dario Amadai, others, they do take [8:00] it seriously. [8:01] And in many respects, they've been at the forefront and very well informed. [8:06] And from an early stage, in other words, going back several years, warning about the [8:12] risks on cyber, on recursive AI, other aspects, biohazards and things. [8:18] So they have been. [8:19] It is exceptionally difficult, if not impossible, I should never say something is impossible, [8:28] but it's exceptionally difficult for industries to regulate themselves, to truly regulate themselves. [8:35] On a much lower scale, I'm very familiar with what happens in finance, and banks know [8:40] that they shouldn't stretch too far, but to quote Chuck Prince, when the music's playing, [8:46] it's hard to stop dancing. [8:47] Unless somebody is regulating the music, overseeing the music, providing guardrails in and around, [8:52] that's why so much was done in the financial sector, it should have been done before the [8:56] financial crisis, we did a lot after the financial crisis. [8:59] It's why Canada is advocating a technology stability board, bringing together the safety [9:05] institutes, some of which are resident here in Montreal. [9:09] We made an announcement at Miele the other day, where a lot of that expertise is, a lot [9:14] of that expertise is in Europe. [9:15] Some of it's in the UK, of course some is in the US. [9:18] But pooling that, getting common approaches, making sure that we go back and apply it, [9:25] this is something we should be doing, to be absolutely clear, we should be doing at the [9:29] G7, we should be doing at the G20. [9:32] It's not happening, it's not moving fast enough. [9:35] So what do you do in that circumstance? [9:37] If you're the European Union, if you're Canada, some other like-minded countries, is you come [9:42] together and you do that together to the best extent you can, it's not as good as it happening [9:48] globally, but it's far better than nobody doing it, and it does potentially create the momentum, [9:54] or at least the nucleus, for broader solutions. [9:56] And that is one of the examples of what we will be doing with the Alliance for the Future. [10:00] I'm glad you put your central banker hat on, because I want to ask you a question on that, [10:05] because obviously so much of the global economy now is being built on the potential of AI to [10:12] boost productivity. [10:13] What happens if it fails? [10:15] Well, if you're asking me from a central banker perspective, back to the old days, [10:20] I mean, this is one of the issues, is that if the productivity benefit, if and when the productivity [10:27] benefits come from AI that are widely spread, they have to be widely spread to affect the economy and [10:32] to bring wages up and growth up for everyone, then economies can grow faster without inflationary [10:41] pressures. [10:42] What you can't do as a central banker is take that for granted and start to adjust monetary policy, [10:49] lower interest rates, or have interest rates lower than they otherwise would be, because you think [10:53] that's going to happen. [10:54] You have to see it happen, because the inflationary process works in a very short period of time. [11:00] And so one of the issues for central banks is teasing out when that's going to happen. [11:06] It's personally, I think it's less tricky for them, because they need to see it in the actual [11:17] performance and then respond at that time. [11:22] On a personal level, how do you use AI day to day? [11:25] How do I use AI? [11:26] I use it, well, I use it not as much as I would like, because much of what I receive is secret or [11:36] top, it's government information. And so I have to be very careful about what's applied to that. And our [11:45] systems, I'm speaking just openly, are not well set up in terms of using data information across various [11:54] systems. It's just, there's a series of silos the way they're designed. So what we're doing as a [11:59] government is, we are embedding AI, we brought Patrick Pichette in, a former CFO of Google, very [12:07] experienced in the area across the board, and we're transforming how government works. And that's going [12:13] to be part of what I'm able to do. I can see what I would like to do with a series of agents in terms of [12:19] managing my information flow and pulling things out. But we need to restructure rapidly internally [12:28] how we work as a government. So that's the longest short answer to how I use AI. I mean, recreationally, [12:37] I'll use some GPTs to inquire about certain issues or others, but it's not as much as I would like it [12:48] to be the case. I want to take you back to national security. Yeah. I have a question [12:52] on Golden Dome, the U.S., potential U.S. missile shield. Yeah. And I'm going to quote you. We can see [12:58] the geodesic dome from here, Buckminster Fuller's dome right there from 1967. I'm going to have to go [13:05] check it out. You can check it out. You just look over your shoulder. You know, it doesn't look much [13:09] different when you get that close. Sorry. You can edit all that out. No, we should keep it because [13:14] Brussels has the Atomium. So it's like a dual bubble situation. All right. I'll go. Next time [13:21] I'm in Brussels. When you're in Brussels, I'll take you to the Atomium. Okay. And then, yeah. Okay. [13:26] In a recent interview with the Times, the New York Times. I'm going to quote you. You said, [13:32] hypersonic missile defense coordination with the United States will be. And then you were interrupted. [13:37] You didn't get to finish the sentence. I can't remember what I was going to say. What would you say now? [13:41] What's the question? Just reflecting on Golden Dome and Canada's, I guess, potential. Well, [13:46] there's, look, there are, there are a series of areas where, you know, Canadian, continued Canadian [13:54] U.S. cooperation is the most effective way to defend Canada, my interest, defend the United States as well. [14:03] And so what's changed is and changing rapidly is the risk of hypersonic missiles, circumpolar, [14:12] if I can put it that way, or overpolar missiles coming towards the United States or hitting Canada. [14:18] And so a coordinated approach there is of interest. We are, we are investing in some of the components [14:25] of that defense over the horizon radar. For example, the Australian purchase that we started to put in [14:31] place, which literally does looks over the horizon in order to give that extra period of time to [14:39] provide that defense. So we're making some of those investments. There's clear line of sight, [14:47] you know, with us in the United States in terms of what we're doing and how, how that potentially could [14:52] fit into a broader solution. But do you think at this point that Golden Dome is tangible, is something [14:58] that could actually happen, that's worth talking about, participating? Yeah, it could be in the [15:03] operative word there. We'll move to Trump and the trade war. A couple of questions. Occasionally, [15:12] you're asked about this. Yeah. Midterm elections are next week. Is it acceptable to you to never get [15:20] the chance, never seal a new trade deal with Donald Trump while he's in office? What, I would flip the [15:30] question around. We will conclude a deal that's in Canada's interest when one is available and we [15:40] will, we can do it this afternoon. We know the broad outlines of that. That's a mutually advantageous [15:47] trade deal with the US and Canada. By the way, the most mutually advantageous trade deal with the US [15:51] and Canada is our existing trade deal, which they call USMCA. But if in an environment of the new trade [15:59] policy of the United States, there are still things where, given the starting point, they're very much [16:04] win-win for the two countries. And we can conclude that rapidly. But we're not going to conclude [16:11] something for the sake of concluding it. We're not going to lock in something that's not in Canada's [16:15] interest. We have agency. We have options. We are building this economy domestically at home. We're [16:20] deepening partnerships with the European Union, represented by your colleague. We are, we're, we have [16:27] free trade access to one and a half billion consumers around the world. And we're likely to double that [16:31] in the next six months. So yes, there's a deal to have with the US. We can do that quickly. But if [16:40] there's not something that's in Canada's interest, we will, we're not, as I say, we're not going to do [16:46] it just for the sake of it. So another way of asking it would be, you're willing to wait for the next [16:52] US president if that's what it takes? Well, we'll have to, if that's what it takes. Yeah. And, you know, [16:57] and American families, American businesses will also lose out because of that. They're not winners [17:04] in this circumstance. But what is happening is that every month that goes by, Canada grows stronger, [17:15] our options increase, ultimately we'll be a better partner for the United States. That's not why we're [17:21] doing this. We're doing this to create more opportunity for Canadians. I wanted to ask you [17:29] about some of the comments that have come from the US ambassador, Pete Hoekstra and others who've [17:35] been accusing Canada of election meddling ahead of the midterms. I mean, are you tired to borrow an [17:40] expression of the US poking the bear? Well, not a bear. Mind the bear in this metaphor? I think Canada's [17:48] the bear. Canada's the bear. I think Canadians are tired of it. I think that's very clear. Have you raised [17:54] it with Trump? Raised? The fact that, you know, that these accusations keep flying? I think that might [18:03] encourage more. Look, we call out, we call out the issues, I call out specific issues with the United [18:10] States. There are a wide range of, wide range of them, unfortunately. What, what I focus on with, in my [18:20] interactions with President Trump are, yes, trade, and trying to push and encourage towards something [18:30] that's in their interest, but very much in our interest, mutually advantageous deal. There are a [18:35] series of global challenges. We, we all know them, Ukraine, Iran, Gaza, Sudan, a series of areas where [18:46] the United States has tremendous influence and, and can be part of the solution, where Canada can [18:51] do some things to help, and so to try to encourage outcomes that are, that are going to make things [18:56] better. Did you change any of the way in which you spoke about the EU-Canada summit, anything that [19:02] you did here this week, with a view to what Donald Trump might say about it? Absolutely not. That, that way [19:09] lies madness. I, I, I, and I, I, I'd be absolutely clear about that. We, we do, I, I speak for Canada, I speak in [19:20] Canada's interest. I, I, I, I can't remember if I'm trying to manage my words so that it doesn't offend [19:30] this country there or that country there. It's far better just to be absolutely clear what we're doing. [19:35] This is a very positive association, the bilateral relationship between Canada and Europe, the [19:42] tightest one, to go back to where we started, the tightest one that exists, and a very positive [19:48] alliance. So that, that's, and it's much better and it's very much the mood of the country of, of [19:54] Canadians. Canadians want to build. Canadians want to move forward. Canadians want to do things. They [19:59] want to solve problems. They don't want to react to things. They don't want to break things down. They [20:04] don't want to, it's, it's, we're, we have challenges. There's no question, but people are in a good [20:12] place. They want to come together. They want to build. And so we're not adjusting for other, what [20:19] the US might think, what China might think, what, what certainly what Russia might think. [20:25] Might you adjust for what happens in Europe? Because the EU is moving towards the far right. The French [20:32] election is coming up. Marine Le Pen is polling first. The AFD has won two consecutive regional [20:38] elections. So is there a worry that you have that this union that's built on tight values, [20:45] on aligning, on all of these things might actually look very different once those elections happen? [20:51] Well, look, part of having values and valuing democracy and freedom and rule of law is that you [20:58] have elections and, and the people decide which direction they want to go. So that's, that's part [21:06] and parcel of the European Union, certainly Canada. What, what we have, I've yet to find a country that, [21:16] in a world that's more dangerous and divided, does that doesn't want to be more sovereign, [21:20] more independent, able, better able to withstand shots. You quickly learn, if you haven't figured it out [21:27] yet, if you're in one of these roles, that to be sovereign is not to be alone, that you need [21:34] like-minded partners. Nobody is self-sufficient. The United States is not self-sufficient. The United [21:40] States discovered that when China made restrictions on critical minerals. There's lots of other areas [21:46] where the United States relies on other countries for certain critical aspects. And so governments [21:54] coming in within Europe, there are issues in Europe, but there are advantages within Europe. And, and [22:00] Europe itself gives more sovereignty to countries that are in Europe. Canada gives more sovereignty [22:05] to Europe. Europe gives more sovereignty to Canada. Would you work with President Le Pen across the team? [22:10] Look, my, my responsibility is to work with whether it's provincial premiers or, or leaders of other [22:19] countries in the best interests of Canada. Now, working with and having agreement on are two different [22:25] things, but my experience is best to look to work together. Could the, could the, could the range of [22:32] cooperation in Europe, for Europe, and the way its priorities change with democratic, different democratic [22:39] outcomes? Absolutely. But that's, that's the way it should be. Is there more than enough in terms of deepening [22:45] our cooperation in the areas that we've set, set out absolutely as well? And, and both, both are [22:51] compatible. Next month, you'll be the only NATO leader, aside from Donald Trump to attend the, the [22:57] APEX summit in China. You've said that if you hadn't thought about that, but that's true. Yes. And [23:04] you've said that if you see Vladimir Putin, you will tell him to, to get out of Ukraine, similar to [23:09] one of your predecessors, Stephen Harper. But do you, do you plan to seek a meeting with Putin while there? [23:14] No, I don't. But I mean, that's my message to him. My message to him would be, we're going to [23:24] tighten sanctions, get out of Ukraine, stop your war crimes. We had some, some breaking news today, [23:30] just shortly before we sat down here. Russian hockey teams likely let back into international [23:37] tournaments. Canada is hosting the under 20 championship we call in Canada, of course, the [23:42] World Juniors in Alberta. What do you make of the idea that, that Russian teams will be competing [23:48] once again? I wasn't aware of it. It's unwelcome. Yeah. Do you consider? I'll think about it. I'll [23:56] think about it. I wanted to ask you about the four shirts from Brooks Brothers that Donald Trump gifted [24:03] you. Did they fit? I haven't tried them on yet. I haven't tried them on. I'm going to, I'm going to wear, [24:11] if we have a trade deal, well, I'll, I'll put them on. Uh, but it was, uh, I, you know, I thanked the [24:16] president for sending the shirts. That's my shirt size. Uh, but, and, uh, yeah. Have you? Why did he send [24:23] those shirts? Like, what is, does it say anything more broadly about cross-border relations or is it [24:30] just your personal relationship? We have a very strange relationship. Did you send him? I don't want to, [24:37] I don't want to read too much into it. Did you send him something back? I didn't actually. I said, thank you. [24:41] I said, thank you. Uh, but, uh, yeah, no, I haven't had occasion to put on the shirts because, [24:47] uh, we don't have a mutually advantageous trade deal. I look forward. I look forward to the day [24:52] that I, um, wearing, uh, the Brooks Brothers shirt, as you say, I'm not gonna wear all four [24:57] at once. Uh, but they are, yeah, they're sitting in my closet. What's the last gift you gave the [25:04] president? I can't remember. Uh, uh, come on, Nick. Well, there was a, there was an Olympic hockey [25:15] bet. Uh, I heard some sort of gentleman's wage. No, there wasn't a bet. We didn't bet on the [25:19] hockey. We talked about it and we talked about the World Series as it was going through. Uh, [25:24] I am trying to remember. I know what I gave, uh, which was for the, um, 250th, uh, anniversary of [25:32] the United States. Uh, we did a series of things. Uh, as Canada, we lit up, this was to the American [25:38] people, president included. Uh, we lit up various bridges, cross-border bridges, uh, with the American [25:42] flag. Nice touch, I thought. Uh, we sent, uh, 250 maple trees, uh, to be planted across border states. [25:50] Uh, and then we had some commemorative, uh, coins, uh, that were made, which had on them, uh, two, uh, two [25:58] sides. Uh, one was, uh, the American eagle, because as you know, you know, uh, the American, there's lots [26:04] of American eagles in Canada, uh, uh, bald eagles, uh, in Canada, as well, of course, as being the symbol [26:10] of the United States. And then on the other side, uh, his favorite monarch, who happens to be king [26:15] of Canada, as well as the United States, uh, Prince, uh, uh, King Charles, I should say. Yeah. [26:21] Uh, we have to ask you about Nathan Fielder, uh, Vancouver Zone. Nathan Fielder. Oh, yes. [26:27] His documentary on Elizabeth Holmes, uh, you can see everything. Canada's latest. I can see everything, [26:32] but I haven't seen the documentary. So would you let him, knowing maybe a little bit about his style, [26:36] make a documentary about you? I, I don't, uh, I mean, I know, I have no idea. How's that? How's that? [26:45] Well, let's shift then to a cultural icon in Canada you certainly love, which is Heated Rivalry. [26:50] Season two is coming. I certainly, yeah. Okay. Yeah. Well, you've posed for photos [26:54] quite warmly with one of the stars. Um, it just happened. Do we get a Kearney cameo? It just happened. [26:59] Do we get a, do we get a Kearney cameo in season two? I don't, I, boy, that would, I, I think the, [27:05] the, the business model of Heated Rivalry, I mean, apart from entertainment is, uh, to have as many [27:10] people watch as possible. And, uh, I think having a Kearney, Kearney cameo might drive down that [27:15] rating. So I wouldn't hold my breath, but of course, Ottawa does play an important role in [27:19] season two, doesn't it? Yeah. Looking forward to it. I did want to ask about something you said [27:24] in your, uh, press conference earlier. You were asked about the support for Ukraine. You mentioned [27:30] How long is this interview? Like a month? We, we get a year. Okay. That's what we've been told. [27:35] All right. You said you would. By press conference yesterday, you mean? Today. [27:38] No, no, because it was yesterday. We've been here for 20 years. Oh God, yes, of course. [27:42] Because you've got the Heated Rivalry question. Well, you look great for someone who hasn't changed. [27:45] Okay. I wanted to ask about the 500 million, uh, uh, contribution to the Ukraine loan that you [27:51] mentioned. You said that was the start. What is the sort of headroom you're talking about there? [27:56] Well, I think that, I mean, that is, that's the essence. I think we recognize that's the agreement [28:02] and that's within the, maybe I didn't choose the words exactly, uh, clearly enough. Uh, [28:07] you have the 90 billion, as you know, euros, uh, of that loan. Um, we're, we're taking 500 million [28:16] euros of that. The question, unfortunately, back to the Putin point, um, is how long this continues to go [28:26] on this, uh, the suffering continues to go on, um, and the additional, um, needs that may be there for [28:33] Ukraine. So, uh, sorry, I was imprecise. I was more alluding to, we're going to stand by Ukraine, uh, [28:41] and be there, uh, both for, um, uh, reconstruction, um, and ongoing support, uh, for their defensive purposes. [28:49] Do you think there is a wavering in the global consensus around how to treat Putin? Because it feels [28:55] like lately a lot of leaders are picking up the phone and talking to him. Just recently we heard [29:01] about the phone call between the, uh, Stub and Stur. Do you think that's the right approach? [29:07] I think it depends on the message, uh, and whether previous messengers were clear enough about what [29:16] the message, uh, and, and the resolve, for example, for those members of the coalition of the willing, [29:22] the resolve of, uh, European Union, uh, uh, resolve of European member states, I should, I mean, [29:29] clearly, um, and, uh, and, and countries like Canada, uh, sometimes it's better to have, uh, [29:37] those, uh, direct leader to leader conversations. So in that regard, it's fine. Um, uh, and, and maybe, [29:43] maybe constructive. I don't think that, uh, well, there has been some variance in terms of, uh, [29:54] U S actions, uh, with respect to restrictions on, you know, sanctions on Russia, um, uh, provision [30:03] of, uh, defensive capabilities to Ukraine. That's, that's been unhelpful. Um, I don't think there's [30:10] been a wavering of, uh, resolve of other members to clear. There has not been a wavering of resolve. [30:16] If anything, there's been a hardening of resolve of members of the coalition of the willing Canada [30:20] including, um, I, the, uh, the atrocities continue, uh, high ballistic missiles being fired into [30:29] the equivalent of, uh, old Montreal, um, in Kyiv. Uh, Russia lost, uh, another 35,000 plus, uh, [30:38] soldiers in the last month. Um, it's, it's a pointless slaughter, uh, that's going on. Uh, [30:45] so the resolve, the resolve continues. Prime Minister. Okay. Thank you very much for the [30:52] full day you gave us. You're welcome. Okay. Thank you. You're welcome.