BEST Top 10 Charlie Kirk Debate Moments 2024

[0:00] Hi, my name is Erin. I'm a really big fan and I'm really excited to see both of you. [0:05] I'm a little stressed because I feel like I could ask about, you know, gun violence. [0:09] I could ask about anti-Semitism on campus. [0:12] But I feel like with an opportunity like this, I would really appreciate some personal advice. [0:17] I'm here at the University of Pittsburgh as a social work major and I'm really passionate about it. [0:23] However, I have found that I'm leaning a little bit more Republican [0:27] and I feel like I come at a standstill with that. [0:30] And I really just want to get your advice moving forward for myself. [0:35] There's some obvious things I think you can think that would conflict, obviously. [0:41] I guess that's kind of my question. [0:43] What advice do you have for me as a Republican aspiring social worker? [0:48] What would conflict? [0:49] I don't know, like, how to say it properly. [0:53] I think I can help. [0:54] The social work industry is very much about a perspective generally of [1:00] that people in poverty are there permanently [1:03] and not trying to break people out of poverty into the middle class or higher levels. [1:08] Right. [1:08] And that's why the Democrat Party and social work are very intertwined. [1:11] Right, exactly. [1:11] They view poverty not as a series of choices, [1:14] but as a station in life that is immovable, largely. [1:20] Right. [1:20] Is that fair to say? [1:21] That is fair to say. [1:22] That's why my personal focus is on the children in underprivileged communities [1:27] because I personally feel like they don't choose to be put in that position. [1:30] But I'm having a little bit of a difficult time empathizing with the older generation of underprivileged. [1:39] And not in every community, but I don't know how to not sound bad. [1:45] I know you are great at not sounding bad when you say stuff, [1:49] but I don't want to say something that will get me in trouble. [1:51] Here's one way to look at it, and, Charlie, that was helpful, actually. [1:55] The Great Society from Lyndon Johnson, [1:58] it was a series of policies that were designed to help underprivileged communities. [2:02] Right. [2:03] They hurt the very people they were supposed to help. [2:05] How? [2:06] Well, the reality is it created dependence on government. [2:09] So you have a lot of single mothers, for example, [2:10] that are paid more money not to have a man in the house [2:13] than to have a man in the house because of the way the math of these aid programs were. [2:17] What do you mean? [2:18] Well, often the way the math of the aid is calculated [2:21] is if you have an earning husband in the household, [2:23] that actually causes you to disqualify for forms of federal aid [2:26] that were designed to help you. [2:27] Right. [2:28] But actually, the best way to get kids in your own household ahead [2:31] is in a two-parent household [2:32] because if you're raised in a two-parent household, [2:34] you're less likely to end up in jail, [2:35] less likely to end up in poverty, [2:37] more likely to graduate from high school. [2:39] So one of the ways that, if you're asking for advice, [2:42] I would say for the people around you, [2:43] even who might lean left, [2:44] you can recognize their intentions come from a good place. [2:47] Absolutely. [2:48] But the policies of their leaders [2:50] have actually betrayed the very people they were supposed to help. [2:54] And you can let them know, [2:55] because I believe this is genuinely true, [2:56] not just the Republican Party, [2:57] but our conservative movement. [2:59] We care about lifting people up from poverty. [3:01] We just care about actually doing it [3:03] rather than talking about it. [3:04] That's what I would say. [3:04] And the other thing I'll say is that [3:05] we as conservatives believe that if you're in poverty, [3:08] it's largely because of values, [3:11] not because of lack of stuff. [3:13] Like what values? [3:15] Not saving money. [3:16] Spending all of your money and your paycheck as you get it, [3:19] for example. [3:21] Abandoning your spouse after impregnating you. [3:24] Not spending all of your money on alcohol and drugs [3:28] and instead opening a 401k. [3:31] So values are the number one predictor [3:34] of entering the middle class. [3:37] And there's a great book called Life at the Bottom. [3:39] You should read it. [3:40] By Theodore Dalrymple, [3:41] who's a social worker in the United Kingdom. [3:44] It's called Life at the Bottom, [3:45] where he got into social work [3:47] because he wanted to help people. [3:48] And he realized it was not a lack of stuff. [3:50] It wasn't lack of housing, [3:52] lack of food stamps. [3:53] It was that their value system [3:55] was one that kept them poor. [3:59] So yeah, really quick, [3:59] then I want to get to the next question. [4:00] I'm just struggling [4:01] because in all of my social work classes right now, [4:03] they're talking about all of those things. [4:05] They're wrong. [4:06] So what do I do? [4:07] I'm trying to learn about what I want to do. [4:09] I think you need to stay in social work [4:11] because you're called to do it. [4:12] But there's an amazing amount of literature [4:14] from Thomas Sowell to Shelby Steele [4:17] to Theodore Dalrymple [4:18] that get down to actual root causes of poverty, [4:21] which is not lack of stuff, [4:22] but is worldview. [4:23] And I think that'd be super helpful. [4:25] Thank you so much. [4:25] God bless you. [4:26] Trump 2024. [4:26] Yes, you want a hat? [4:27] Thank you. [4:28] Yes, great. [4:29] Thank you. [4:29] According to the way [4:31] that the asylum laws are written, [4:33] the entire nation of Mexico [4:34] applies under asylum. [4:36] Do you think that [4:37] you have a right to immigrate to America? [4:40] Is diversity and inclusion [4:42] really an American ideal? [4:43] Are you okay with deporting [4:45] every illegal person that's here? [4:47] Do you think that the American government [4:48] should first have an obligation [4:50] to citizens before foreigners? [4:53] Nobody is asking these questions. [4:55] We're just saying, [4:55] if you want to come in, [4:56] you can come in. [4:57] Do you see anything wrong [4:58] with, I don't know, [4:59] taking in 5% of the population of Haiti? [5:02] If someone comes into your dorm room [5:04] uninvited [5:05] and they do the dishes and laundry, [5:07] they can stay? [5:08] If I'm not going to do my own dishes, [5:10] heck yeah. [5:13] All right. [5:14] Hello. [5:14] Oh, hi. [5:15] I'm going to start off [5:17] by saying I'm a political science student. [5:19] I'm a second year here at K-State [5:20] and I'm a first generation student. [5:23] Try to turn it up a little bit. [5:23] Turn it up a little bit. [5:24] Yeah, perfect. [5:25] Great, thank you. [5:25] And what's your name again? [5:26] Alondra Alvarez. [5:28] Yeah. [5:29] So I just had a question [5:30] because you talk a lot about [5:31] like protecting [5:32] and securing our southern borders. [5:34] But as the granddaughter of immigrants, [5:37] I think that we get [5:38] into a lot of complicated disputes [5:40] with the idea that immigrants [5:43] are criminals, [5:45] are drug dealers [5:46] and things like that. [5:47] So I just want to hear [5:47] what your opinion is [5:48] on those expectations [5:50] or those, [5:51] what do you call it, [5:53] those stereotypes [5:53] that are put on [5:54] Hispanic communities, [5:56] Latino communities [5:56] and how they change [5:58] the way people perceive immigration. [6:01] Sure. [6:01] So thank you for the question. [6:04] So you said you're [6:04] the first generation student [6:06] or first generation American? [6:07] I'm a first generation student. [6:08] Cool, great. [6:09] Second generation American? [6:10] Did I hear that right? [6:10] Third generation American [6:12] on my mom's side. [6:13] Great. [6:13] Second on my dad's. [6:14] When your grandparents then, [6:17] is that right, [6:18] came to this country, [6:18] did they do so [6:19] through the legal process [6:21] that was involved? [6:22] So my father got married [6:23] to my mother. [6:24] So he's a legal resident [6:25] of the United States. [6:26] She's been here [6:27] her entire life. [6:28] But did she enter legally? [6:30] My great, she did. [6:32] She's born here. [6:34] Got it. [6:34] My grandpa on my dad's side [6:37] entered in illegally. [6:38] Okay. [6:39] So I'm not here [6:40] to like insult your grandpa, [6:41] right? [6:42] But yeah, [6:43] but we must be very clear [6:45] that the type of immigration [6:47] that we support [6:48] is when you follow our rules [6:50] and you come on our terms [6:51] and that you do not break [6:53] into a country uninvited [6:55] and you try to cut. [6:56] Can I add something to that? [6:57] The reason why he left [6:58] and a lot of people in Mexico do [7:00] is because of the political state, [7:02] especially in the 70s and 80s. [7:04] When they decided to move, [7:05] they have a government [7:07] that isn't supportive [7:08] of their constituents [7:09] and because of drug problems, [7:12] their only choice was to move. [7:15] Yeah, I totally sympathize. [7:16] That's not true. [7:17] It's never the only choice [7:19] to commit a crime [7:19] and we should not put up with it. [7:22] And so it is a, [7:24] it is an insult [7:25] to other immigrants [7:26] from Vietnam and Laos [7:28] and Pakistan [7:29] that have to wait [7:29] decades in line [7:30] to morally equivalent [7:32] people that come in [7:34] and just break in. [7:34] Oh, I have an unstable country. [7:36] Like half of the world's [7:37] countries are unstable. [7:38] Yeah, but that's why [7:38] we have the asylum seekers program, [7:40] which is heavily abused. [7:42] And we're talking [7:43] two different things. [7:43] Asylum seekers [7:44] and walking into the country [7:46] illegally are similar [7:47] but different things, right? [7:49] And so you can, [7:50] so we have millions [7:51] of gotaways of people [7:52] that we have no idea [7:53] who they are. [7:53] They're not, [7:53] they're not declaring asylum. [7:55] They just run across the border. [7:56] Well, because they can't. [7:57] The system doesn't allow [7:58] other people to, [7:59] from Mexico specifically, [8:00] to assign themselves. [8:01] who they are [8:02] the last couple of years. [8:03] So look, [8:04] we just have to be [8:04] very clear with this [8:05] is that if you come [8:06] into the country uninvited, [8:08] you have committed a crime [8:09] and you are a criminal. [8:11] And we could decide [8:12] that we're not going [8:12] to enforce our laws [8:13] or we can say [8:15] that when you are a criminal, [8:16] you should then be punished [8:17] for that crime, [8:18] aka sent back [8:19] to your country of origin [8:20] because you were not invited. [8:22] And it is an insult, [8:23] again, to the Poles [8:24] and to the Czechoslovakians [8:25] and from the Senegalese [8:27] and people all across the world [8:28] that don't have [8:29] the proximity to the luxury [8:30] just to waltz into America. [8:31] You call it a luxury [8:33] to leave a country [8:35] that has political tyranny [8:36] and come into a country [8:37] with opportunity? [8:38] Yes, to live in Mexico, [8:39] to be able to go, [8:40] you know, [8:40] 100 miles north [8:41] and break into America. [8:43] Do you know how many people [8:43] in Pakistan would kill [8:44] to be on that border? [8:46] That's why we bring them in. [8:47] Well, we shouldn't, right? [8:49] That's the point. [8:50] And secondly, [8:51] do you think that [8:53] you have a right [8:55] to immigrate to America? [8:56] I think that [8:57] I didn't have a choice. [8:59] My grandparents [9:00] made that decision for me. [9:01] I mean, I'm not trying [9:02] to attack your grandparents, [9:03] but no one has a right [9:04] to go to anybody else's country. [9:06] You are invited. [9:07] It is a privilege [9:08] and a right [9:08] to come into America. [9:09] So it's a privilege [9:10] to live a life [9:11] that requires you [9:12] to have clean water, [9:14] clean food, [9:14] clean air. [9:15] Yes, of course it is. [9:16] And you have to fight for that? [9:17] Yes, it is not. [9:18] But we didn't? [9:19] Hold on a sec. [9:20] Born here, [9:21] we didn't fight for that? [9:21] Well, my ancestors [9:23] did fight for that, actually. [9:24] And I'm a very thankful recipient [9:26] of many generations [9:27] of Americans [9:28] that fought [9:28] for the greatest nation [9:29] ever to exist. [9:30] By doing what? [9:30] Coming here? [9:31] Well, [9:32] illegally? [9:32] What, what, wait, [9:34] what did my ancestors do? [9:36] They came here, [9:37] illegally. [9:37] They came over here [9:38] in 1620, [9:39] fought in the Revolutionary War, [9:40] fought in the Civil War, [9:41] fought in World War I, [9:41] fought in World War II. [9:41] So because my grandpa [9:42] didn't come here in 1620, [9:44] it gives him no right [9:44] to have a good life? [9:45] He can fill out paperwork [9:46] and wait in line [9:47] like the rest of the world. [9:48] And then we can see, [9:49] we can see whether or not [9:51] it's in our best interest [9:52] to allow him to come in. [9:53] And so we have to weigh [9:54] costs and benefits. [9:55] I'm not saying [9:56] we should have no immigrants, [9:57] but immigration [9:58] must be a net benefit [9:59] for the American homeland [10:01] and for the American citizen. [10:02] We have brought in [10:03] 10 million people [10:04] in these last couple of years. [10:05] We have now brought in [10:05] 5% of the population of Haiti. [10:07] Nobody is asking [10:08] these questions. [10:09] We're just saying, [10:10] if you want to come in, [10:11] you can come in. [10:11] Do you see anything wrong [10:12] with, I don't know, [10:14] taking in 5% [10:15] of the population of Haiti? [10:16] Not necessarily, no. [10:18] If we have the land [10:19] and the resources [10:19] to house them, [10:21] it shouldn't be that big deal [10:22] to bring in immigrants. [10:23] Really? [10:24] So, do you think [10:27] that the American government [10:28] should first have [10:29] an obligation [10:30] to citizens [10:31] before foreigners? [10:35] Okay. [10:35] I think we have [10:36] an obligation. [10:36] Answer the question. [10:37] Here's the thing. [10:38] Yeah, we're obligated [10:40] because we're citizens [10:41] to have the rights [10:42] that we have, [10:42] but that doesn't mean [10:43] we can't open up our borders [10:44] when we have the process [10:45] to do so. [10:45] You, being a younger American, [10:48] and everyone in the audience, [10:49] is the first generation [10:50] in American history [10:51] to have it be worse off [10:52] than your parents. [10:54] So, the social, [10:55] and you agree with that, [10:55] social contract, [10:56] poor, more expensive. [10:58] So, wouldn't it be rational [10:59] for the American government [11:00] to say, [11:00] we're going to prioritize [11:01] younger generation Americans [11:03] that are American passport holders [11:05] and citizens [11:06] before those in another nation? [11:08] I don't think, [11:09] I don't, [11:10] I don't want to say anything [11:11] that offends people. [11:12] But, [11:13] I've already said it, right? [11:15] I've already said it. [11:16] Whatever. [11:17] I think that the way [11:18] we're going about it [11:19] is wrong. [11:20] And that if we don't have [11:21] a clear path to citizenship, [11:23] we won't open up [11:23] those opportunities [11:24] for people to come [11:25] and seek a good life. [11:26] But I also think that, [11:27] yeah, [11:27] we are required to have [11:28] those rights ourselves [11:29] as American citizens. [11:30] life is fine. [11:31] It's a nice added benefit. [11:32] Our government does not exist [11:34] to improve the life [11:35] of foreign citizens. [11:37] But we should be open [11:38] to the idea of accepting that. [11:39] Of course we are, [11:40] if we have our own house in order. [11:41] We are in chaos right now. [11:43] We have the most depressed, [11:44] suicidal, anxious [11:45] generation in history. [11:46] Our birth rate is collapsing. [11:48] Kids can't afford homes. [11:49] You guys are drowning in debt. [11:51] You have to compete against, [11:52] you have to compete [11:53] for jobs against foreigners. [11:54] Our country is a mess right now. [11:56] And so when your country is a mess [11:58] and your home is in disarray [11:59] and bedlam, [12:00] your own government [12:01] should say, [12:01] time out. [12:02] I have a heart [12:03] for the people of Haiti. [12:04] I have a heart [12:04] for the people of every country. [12:06] But you're not coming here [12:07] until this generation [12:08] at least has it as good [12:10] as their parents. [12:11] But it's the stereotype [12:12] that I'm given [12:13] as a Mexican-American [12:15] to fulfill those standards [12:16] that people have [12:17] on immigration as well. [12:18] I don't share that. [12:19] I haven't said that here today. [12:20] There's people from all over the world [12:21] that enter the southern border now. [12:23] There's 118 countries [12:24] that come across the southern border. [12:25] But I don't care [12:26] if you enter illegally [12:27] from Bulgaria [12:27] or from Laos [12:30] or from Mexico [12:31] or from Nicaragua. [12:32] Someone who does not [12:33] have their paperwork [12:34] when they come in [12:35] is by definition [12:36] breaking federal law. [12:38] And so then [12:39] what should we do [12:40] with someone [12:40] who breaks the federal law? [12:41] But does that mean [12:42] that people, [12:43] including their children, [12:44] their grandchildren, [12:45] including myself, [12:46] have to live with the stereotype [12:47] or the standard set upon me [12:49] that I am a criminal, [12:51] I am a drug dealer, [12:53] I am a XYZ? [12:54] Okay, so have I played [12:57] into that stereotype? [12:58] I've heard it many, many times. [13:00] Not from you specifically today. [13:01] Okay, but then it's a little bit [13:02] of a red herring, right? [13:03] Because we're not even [13:03] talking about it. [13:04] I'm not... [13:04] Well, my original question [13:05] was what do you think about it? [13:06] What do I think about stereotypes? [13:08] About the stereotype [13:08] given to immigrants [13:09] right now [13:10] and children of immigrants [13:11] and people of color here. [13:13] Well, I can't talk about [13:14] something I don't believe in. [13:15] So, I mean, [13:15] I don't want people [13:16] to be stereotyped. [13:17] No different than [13:18] when you look at a young [13:19] white man on campus [13:19] you think he's a rapist, right? [13:21] Which is... [13:22] Well, that's good. [13:23] No, but that is a stereotype [13:24] that is pushed sometimes. [13:26] Like, oh, [13:26] if you see a young man [13:27] on campus [13:27] it's campus rape culture. [13:29] Stereotyping is wrong. [13:31] It should not occur. [13:32] But we also must understand [13:33] that the way [13:35] that we constitute [13:36] our immigration policy [13:37] right now in this country [13:38] is not in the benefit [13:39] of the American citizen. [13:41] And we're acting [13:43] much more like a colony [13:44] than a country. [13:46] And where a country [13:48] is where you have [13:49] ties that bind you together. [13:51] You have a shared history. [13:52] Hopefully a shared language. [13:54] You have a shared culture. [13:56] Where in colonies [13:56] you come from anywhere [13:57] across the world [13:58] and so be it. [14:00] Yeah, but isn't that [14:00] like the point of America? [14:02] Diversity and inclusion [14:03] and belonging. [14:05] Where... [14:05] I'm so glad [14:06] you brought that up. [14:08] Where is that [14:08] in the Constitution [14:09] or the Declaration [14:10] that diversity and inclusion [14:12] these are false ideals [14:14] that are taught in school. [14:16] They're, I guess, nice. [14:18] But is diversity and inclusion [14:20] really an American ideal? [14:21] I think so. [14:22] Where does it say that? [14:23] I think that everyone [14:24] has the right [14:25] to live out [14:26] their own individuality. [14:27] Their own lives [14:28] and their own way. [14:28] I know, but you say [14:29] the American ideal. [14:31] Where do you get that from? [14:35] Yeah, pursuit of happiness. [14:37] For Americans. [14:38] You're right. [14:38] Because that's what [14:38] the Declaration was written for. [14:40] No, that's fine. [14:41] Does that mean [14:41] I'm not valid here [14:42] for having a diverse background? [14:43] No, of course you are. [14:44] But I'm saying that... [14:46] So can I not express that? [14:47] Don't change the topic. [14:48] You said [14:49] we should be able [14:50] to open up the country [14:51] for people [14:52] from all across the world. [14:53] Yeah. [14:53] Why do we believe [14:54] that is a core belief? [14:56] Because we want to help people. [14:57] That's the point. [14:58] We came here [14:59] a long, long time ago. [15:01] We established a country [15:02] a long, long time ago. [15:04] And we want to [15:04] have other people [15:06] come in, I think, [15:08] to live in the luxury [15:10] that we live in now. [15:10] Last question. [15:11] Are you okay [15:13] with deporting [15:13] every illegal person [15:14] that's here? [15:15] No. [15:15] Why? [15:16] Because there's [15:17] some people here [15:18] that are not [15:19] represented well [15:19] by the media. [15:20] There's a lot [15:21] of illegal immigrants [15:22] here that are [15:22] working their butts off [15:23] for the life that they want. [15:24] I don't care [15:24] if they're working hard. [15:25] But the point is [15:26] what should the punishment [15:28] be for breaking [15:29] into a country? [15:30] Depends on the crime [15:31] you commit [15:31] after you break into it. [15:32] Okay. [15:33] That's it. [15:34] I'm talking about [15:35] just the crime [15:36] is breaking in. [15:37] What should the punishment be? [15:38] I break into somebody's home. [15:40] What should their punishment be? [15:47] Can you repeat that? [15:48] Oh, so if you behave [15:49] after you get here, [15:50] that's fine. [15:51] So to play that out, [15:51] if someone comes [15:52] into your dorm room [15:53] uninvited [15:54] and they do the dishes [15:55] and laundry, [15:56] they can stay. [15:58] If I'm not going [15:59] to do my own dishes, [15:59] heck yeah. [16:01] They're doing my dishes [16:01] for me? [16:02] Cool. [16:03] If they don't kill me, [16:04] I'm not dead. [16:04] It is what it is, man. [16:06] Well, they are killing [16:07] a lot of Americans, but... [16:09] You say they. [16:10] Like they are? [16:11] Yes, they. [16:12] Like all illegal immigrants [16:13] kill people? [16:14] That's crazy. [16:14] Many illegals do. [16:15] Actually, the crime rate [16:16] for illegals is far above [16:18] that of native-born Americans. [16:19] And even if it wasn't, [16:21] even if it wasn't, [16:22] it would not be there. [16:23] No, but it's just interesting. [16:24] The punishment [16:25] for the crime [16:26] of breaking into a nation [16:27] should be what it is [16:28] in Switzerland [16:29] and Israel [16:30] and Hungary. [16:31] Every person [16:32] who breaks into [16:32] a nation uninvited [16:33] goes back to their [16:34] country of origin. [16:35] Period. [16:36] So why is there [16:37] an emphasis [16:37] on the southern border? [16:39] Because most people [16:40] come illegally [16:41] through the southern border. [16:43] 10 million people [16:43] have come across [16:44] the southern border. [16:44] And by the way, [16:45] do you have any concern [16:46] for the 320,000 [16:49] missing kids [16:49] that have also been [16:50] sex trafficked [16:51] across the southern border? [16:52] Of course I do. [16:53] But who's doing [16:54] the sex trafficking? [16:55] A handful of people, [16:56] not everybody else. [16:57] 320,000, [16:58] that's a lot. [16:59] The children. [17:00] Yeah, but each one [17:01] of them has a handler. [17:03] I'm just... [17:04] And that means [17:04] that 320,000 [17:06] sex pimps [17:07] are bringing in [17:08] sex slaves [17:09] to this country. [17:09] The point I'm trying [17:10] to make [17:10] is that [17:11] we categorize [17:12] all illegal immigrants [17:13] under the same thing. [17:15] Sex traffickers, [17:16] drug dealers. [17:17] Am I doing that? [17:17] You're saying [17:18] all illegal immigrants [17:19] have to be deported. [17:20] You're implying [17:20] that all of them [17:21] are doing these [17:22] terrible things [17:23] and not a small [17:24] percentage of them. [17:25] Well, it's not small, [17:25] actually. [17:26] 320,000 out of 10 million [17:27] is not small, [17:28] actually. [17:28] That's a serious number. [17:29] That's 3.2% [17:31] of all people [17:31] that came into the country [17:32] are connected [17:33] to sex slavery [17:34] in some way. [17:34] That's insane, [17:35] actually. [17:36] 3.2% [17:37] are connected [17:38] to sex slavery. [17:38] That's like a lot. [17:39] But anyway, [17:40] so let's just kind of... [17:41] I want to just make clear. [17:42] If you come into [17:44] a country uninvited, [17:46] definitionally, [17:46] you are a criminal. [17:50] We're just not [17:50] going to agree. [17:51] That's fine. [17:52] Then, final question. [17:53] What is a criminal? [17:55] What is a criminal? [17:58] No, no. [17:59] What is it? [18:00] Would you agree [18:00] with the definition [18:01] that a criminal [18:02] is someone [18:02] who breaks the law? [18:06] Here's what I'm thinking. [18:08] Here's the thing. [18:12] I don't... [18:14] I know how he's [18:15] going to turn it [18:16] and I don't fully agree. [18:17] It's not a matter [18:17] of turning it. [18:18] It's a very ABC sequence. [18:20] If they're not criminals, [18:21] then tell me [18:22] what a criminal is. [18:23] And a criminal [18:23] is obviously [18:24] someone who breaks the law. [18:25] Someone who comes [18:26] across the southern border, [18:27] broke federal law, [18:28] therefore they are a criminal. [18:29] Okay, then we can [18:30] just disagree. [18:31] But you have to tell me [18:32] what a criminal is, though. [18:35] Oh, Trump. [18:36] Yeah. [18:36] Yo. [18:37] You got to come up [18:38] to the mic. [18:39] Okay. [18:40] She's right behind me. [18:41] Yeah. [18:41] Have fun. [18:43] Can't tell me [18:43] what a criminal is. [18:44] Yeah. [18:44] It's so sad. [18:47] It's because if you want [18:49] to really get down [18:50] to it at the core, [18:52] and she's a very sweet [18:52] person who was there, [18:53] the left cannot define [18:55] core terms. [18:56] Criminal, woman, [18:58] racist, democracy. [18:59] Do you feel proud [19:01] of yourself [19:01] for debating college kids [19:03] who are unprepared [19:05] to speak in front [19:06] of an audience [19:06] like yourself? [19:08] Hold on, hold on, hold on. [19:10] You're 30 years old. [19:12] We can agree [19:12] you're 30 years old, right? [19:14] Do you think that's [19:16] a little bit silly? [19:17] Are you a voter? [19:18] I am a voter. [19:19] Oh, so I vote [19:20] and you vote. [19:21] So I'm talking to voters [19:22] of this country [19:22] that will determine [19:23] the future [19:24] of Western civilization. [19:25] That's what I'm doing here to. [19:27] Yeah? [19:28] Wait, hold on. [19:29] How is it any different [19:30] than a professor [19:30] talking to you? [19:32] Than a professor [19:32] talking to you? [19:33] Who are you? [19:35] Well, enough, [19:36] important enough [19:37] for you to come up [19:37] to a microphone. [19:40] Actually, [19:40] when I first saw this ad, [19:41] I thought it was like [19:42] an improv comedy thing. [19:44] It looked so ridiculous [19:45] that I didn't even [19:46] think it was [19:47] real. [19:49] Well, no, [19:49] you could see, [19:50] look how popular [19:51] Trump is on your campus. [19:52] How does that make you feel? [19:56] That's not comedy. [19:58] That is a five-alarm fire [19:59] for Kamala Harris [20:00] because she's probably [20:01] going to lose Pennsylvania. [20:02] Look. [20:06] No, I just want to be clear. [20:07] Is there something wrong [20:08] with talking to voters? [20:10] No, there's nothing wrong [20:11] with talking to voters. [20:11] Well, that's what [20:12] we're doing here today. [20:13] It's an open mic. [20:14] I think that you push [20:14] a dangerous agenda. [20:16] Such as? [20:17] Your stance [20:20] on abortion rights, [20:21] for example. [20:25] Okay, so... [20:26] Let me ask a question. [20:28] What is your name? [20:30] Jean. [20:30] Jean, and what is [20:31] your understanding [20:32] of the current [20:33] Republican Party's [20:34] stance on federal [20:36] intervention and abortion? [20:38] Well, I know that they [20:39] want to bring it back [20:39] to the states, right? [20:41] So it sounds like [20:42] you do know that [20:43] the Republican Party's [20:44] current stance on abortion [20:45] is they're against [20:46] a federal ban on abortion. [20:47] I do understand that, yes. [20:48] And we're talking about [20:48] a presidential election [20:50] as the important election [20:51] that we're talking about here. [20:52] I understand that, yes. [20:53] Great. [20:53] So, again, I think [20:55] this open dialogue is great. [20:56] I think it's great [20:56] you're here challenging Charlie, [20:58] and I think it's great [20:58] that he's willing [20:59] to travel campuses [21:00] across this country [21:01] to talk to the next generation. [21:03] We need more conversation. [21:04] Now, where's the disagreement, [21:05] though, on content? [21:06] Because you could criticize style [21:07] or why you're talking to people [21:08] or dunk on someone personally, [21:09] but where do you actually [21:10] disagree with the substance? [21:11] I agree with the way [21:13] that you edit content [21:14] and specifically frame it [21:16] so that people look bad [21:18] talking to you. [21:19] You, the way that you [21:22] edit your content. [21:23] We post unedited content. [21:27] Let me just, [21:28] let me just ask you [21:28] one thing, though, [21:29] because we could, [21:30] personal, personal insults [21:31] can fly in all directions. [21:32] Where is an area [21:33] where you have a disagreement [21:35] with the conservative movement, [21:37] with Donald Trump, [21:38] with Charlie Kirk, [21:39] perhaps with myself? [21:40] I was a presidential candidate [21:41] last year. [21:41] I think we need to talk [21:42] about that more in the open [21:43] and the more we do, [21:44] the stronger our country [21:45] is going to be. [21:46] We've got a long line of people, [21:46] but I want to hear from you. [21:47] One substantive area [21:48] where you have [21:49] an authentic disagreement [21:50] and I'd be glad to address it. [21:52] I'm sure Charlie would, too. [21:55] Just in any, [21:56] anything, [21:57] any political, [21:58] relating to any political topic [21:59] where you have a disagreement. [22:01] Let's air it. [22:01] Okay. [22:03] I disagree with [22:06] some of the laws [22:10] that are being pushed [22:11] in Congress [22:11] that are against [22:13] the LGBTQ community [22:14] and the trans community. [22:17] Okay, so let's talk about that. [22:20] I'm going to give you my view [22:20] and then I want to hear yours. [22:22] Okay. [22:22] My view is that [22:23] if you're a fully grown adult, [22:26] 18 or above, [22:27] you're free to [22:28] live how you want, [22:29] dress how you want, [22:31] marry who you want, [22:32] if you want, [22:32] if you're over the age of 18. [22:33] I agree. [22:34] But you are not free [22:35] to indoctrinate children [22:37] in schools [22:38] who are not yet [22:39] of the age of consent. [22:40] You are not free, [22:41] just as you're [22:42] a 17-year-old [22:43] or a 15-year-old [22:44] can't get a tattoo [22:45] on their own. [22:46] I don't think [22:47] that you should be able [22:47] to go [22:47] until the age of 18. [22:52] And so the lines [22:53] that I draw here [22:54] is that men [22:54] are free to claim [22:56] to be women [22:56] and swim in swimming pools. [22:58] You're not free [22:58] to claim trophies [22:59] in a women's sports competition. [23:01] You're not free [23:02] to enter a women's locker room. [23:03] You're not free [23:04] to change a language [23:05] and you're not free [23:05] to actually indoctrinate [23:07] our children [23:07] who are under the age [23:08] of five in schools. [23:09] Do we agree on the fact [23:10] that adults [23:11] should be able to live freely [23:12] while still treating [23:13] children differently? [23:14] If so, [23:14] we're on the same side [23:15] of this issue. [23:18] Listen, [23:19] I agree with the majority [23:21] of what you said. [23:22] However, [23:23] I don't think [23:24] that you're understanding [23:25] the implications [23:28] of the laws [23:30] that are trying [23:31] to be passed. [23:32] Look, [23:33] we've got a head start [23:34] on the conversation. [23:35] We've got a long line [23:35] behind you. [23:36] But my only ask is [23:37] forget the personal attacks [23:39] or the stylistic attacks. [23:41] Focus on substance. [23:42] The more we debate that, [23:43] the stronger we're going [23:43] to be as a country. [23:44] Thank you for coming. [23:44] Thank you. [23:45] I don't think [23:46] you're focusing [23:46] on substance, [23:47] though. [23:48] That's the issue. [23:49] Hold on. [23:51] Look, [23:51] he intentionally [23:53] tried to provoke [23:54] substance out of you [23:55] and you said, [23:57] well, [23:57] I'm worried about [23:57] some laws [23:58] Congress should pass. [23:59] I have to ask, [23:59] what laws are you [24:00] talking about? [24:01] Can you be specific? [24:04] I'm sorry, [24:05] I'm very nervous. [24:06] But this is what you do. [24:08] This is what you do. [24:08] You take people [24:09] and you put them [24:10] under the spotlight [24:11] and you... [24:12] Well, [24:12] hold on. [24:12] I didn't ask [24:13] you to come up here. [24:15] You voluntarily came [24:16] to the front of the line. [24:17] You didn't have to do that. [24:19] You're purposely [24:19] antagonizing people [24:20] on campus. [24:21] Asking people [24:22] to come up [24:22] by spreading [24:23] your weird agenda. [24:25] How? [24:26] What agenda is that? [24:27] I'm confused, though. [24:31] So, Charlie, [24:31] I'll say this. [24:33] We'll end on this [24:35] and we'll go [24:35] to the next question. [24:37] When I was 18, [24:37] and I'm not going [24:38] to blame you for this, [24:39] I also took for granted [24:40] a lot of the stuff [24:41] that the media force [24:42] fed me, [24:42] because that's what you know [24:43] at the age of 18. [24:45] You say there are [24:45] some vague laws [24:46] making their way [24:46] through Congress [24:47] that are hostile [24:47] to trans community. [24:48] I don't think [24:49] those laws actually exist, [24:50] but I don't blame you [24:51] if that's what [24:52] the cable media [24:52] is feeding you. [24:53] But let's get [24:54] to the specifics [24:55] and then we're able [24:55] to actually have [24:56] an open dialogue. [24:57] That's one of the things [24:57] I've learned [24:58] over the last 20 years. [24:59] I think that the issue [25:00] is we're getting [25:01] our media [25:01] from different sources. [25:03] Both people [25:04] are getting media [25:05] from these skewed sources. [25:07] The facts [25:08] that you're presenting [25:09] are not always correct. [25:11] And that's why [25:11] we're here [25:12] with no TV screens [25:13] between us. [25:13] So people who have [25:14] policy-based [25:15] substantive disagreements, [25:16] we invite those. [25:17] I think that's how [25:18] we're going to get [25:18] our country back. [25:19] And as it relates [25:20] to trans, [25:20] which you brought up, [25:21] 18 or above, [25:22] you're free to live [25:22] how you want. [25:23] You're not free [25:24] to force that [25:24] onto somebody else [25:25] or especially kids. [25:26] And if we agree [25:27] on that, [25:27] we make some progress. [25:28] Thank you. [25:32] Disagreements, yeah. [25:32] Yes, sir. [25:33] Okay, so I tend [25:35] to lean liberal [25:36] on a lot of issues, [25:37] but specifically [25:38] on immigration, [25:40] when I hear about [25:40] the Haitians in Ohio, [25:42] closer, yeah, [25:45] taking over cities [25:48] and the thing [25:49] about eating people's pets, [25:50] I don't know [25:50] if that's true. [25:51] It is true. [25:52] But I was wondering [25:53] if you could speak [25:54] a little bit [25:55] on that specifically, [25:57] and I'm kind of [25:57] torn on the election, [25:58] so if you could also [25:59] speak on if we have [26:01] more instances like [26:02] that in the future [26:03] if Kamala Harris gets voted. [26:04] Yeah, it's great. [26:05] First of all, [26:05] thank you for coming up [26:06] to the mic, [26:07] and I want to try [26:08] to win you over [26:08] as a liberal [26:09] for Donald Trump, [26:10] so you're going [26:10] to give me a chance, okay? [26:11] I will, sir. [26:12] All right, okay. [26:13] That is a true open mind, [26:14] so I appreciate that. [26:15] Number one, [26:16] we have accepted [26:18] 5% of the Haitian population [26:20] in this country [26:21] in the last couple years. [26:22] I have nothing against Haitians. [26:23] I know some Haitians. [26:24] We can all agree [26:24] when you accept 5% [26:25] of any country's population, [26:27] in addition to all [26:28] the other mass migration [26:30] we have, [26:30] it's too much, [26:31] it's unsustainable, [26:32] and you must, [26:33] a government must start [26:34] from this core premise. [26:35] It must have an obligation [26:36] to fulfill a better life [26:38] for its own citizens [26:39] before it opens its border [26:41] to non-citizens. [26:42] It's a very, [26:43] very basic, [26:44] fundamental thing. [26:45] And as I said earlier, [26:46] everybody in this audience [26:48] is seeing their future [26:50] worse off than their parents [26:52] for the first time [26:53] since George Washington. [26:54] That's a big deal. [26:55] Usually, [26:56] at least kids are as good, [26:57] if not better, [26:58] than their parents, [26:59] and we have that broken. [27:00] As far as Donald Trump goes, [27:02] there are three things [27:03] I want you to think about [27:04] when voting for Trump. [27:05] Number one, [27:06] home ownership. [27:06] I imagine you want to own a home [27:07] sometime in your life, [27:08] right? [27:08] Yes, sir. [27:09] All right. [27:09] In order to own a home, [27:10] you would have to make [27:10] $125,000 a year right now [27:12] just to be able [27:13] to get the mortgage. [27:14] That doesn't count [27:15] your medical expenses, [27:15] your student debt expenses, [27:17] your credit card expenses. [27:18] When Trump was president, [27:19] it was $75,000 a year. [27:21] We were building [27:21] millions of new homes. [27:23] Incomes were going up. [27:24] Why is it that [27:25] the housing prices [27:26] have gone up so much? [27:27] Because Kamala Harris [27:28] and Joe Biden [27:28] have spent $6 to $7 trillion [27:30] of unnecessary federal spending, [27:33] flooded the zone [27:34] with these trillions of dollars, [27:35] which have inflated [27:36] asset prices. [27:37] Number two, [27:38] as a liberal, [27:38] I imagine you don't like war, [27:40] right? [27:40] You don't like endless war. [27:42] Under Donald Trump, [27:43] it was the first president [27:44] in 40 years [27:45] where we had no new wars. [27:46] No Iraq war, [27:48] no Syrian war, [27:49] no Russian-Ukraine war. [27:51] Under Joe Biden [27:52] and Kamala Harris, [27:53] we have the Russian-Ukrainian war [27:55] that we've spent [27:55] $250 billion on. [27:57] We have the terrible situation [27:58] in Israel and Gaza. [27:59] I'm very pro-Israel. [28:00] We can all agree, though, [28:01] not a good situation, right? [28:03] Not favorable. [28:04] It's just bad. [28:04] A lot of human suffering, [28:05] not good to witness. [28:07] Under Donald Trump, [28:07] none of that happened. [28:08] In fact, [28:09] he brought peace [28:09] to the Middle East. [28:10] We had the Abraham Accords, [28:11] and we had a stable [28:12] international circumstance. [28:15] The final thing [28:16] is the border. [28:16] Under Donald Trump, [28:17] the southern border [28:18] was the most secure it was [28:20] in American history [28:21] with border crossings [28:22] at an all-time low. [28:23] Under Kamala Harris, [28:24] 10 million people [28:25] have come across [28:26] the southern border [28:26] into this country. [28:27] We have no idea [28:28] who they are. [28:29] They're coming [28:29] into our communities. [28:31] Crime is increasing. [28:33] They're eating ducks [28:34] and geese and cats [28:35] in Springfield, Ohio. [28:36] And that's just [28:37] like a silly example. [28:38] It's totally true, [28:39] by the way. [28:39] Why? [28:40] Yeah, go ahead. [28:41] Why? [28:41] When I looked it up, [28:43] because the reason [28:44] I'm asking you [28:44] is because there's [28:45] a lot of misinformation, [28:46] I feel like, [28:46] because when I first heard [28:47] about your side of the story [28:48] is what I heard, [28:49] and then after that, [28:50] I was hearing that [28:51] there's no proof of that, [28:53] so why is that? [28:54] Well, there is proof. [28:55] I mean, we have tons of video [28:56] I could show you [28:56] of residents saying [28:57] that my cat was taken [28:58] by a Haitian yesterday morning [28:59] and was grilled [29:00] on an open fire. [29:01] They won't accept that [29:02] as a police report. [29:03] I know way too much [29:04] about Springfield, [29:04] Ohio police reports [29:05] right now, [29:05] but they won't accept [29:06] that as a police report [29:07] because it's an animal [29:08] control problem. [29:08] It's just, again, [29:09] you have to just look [29:10] at the residents. [29:10] Either they're all lying [29:11] and they're all in on it [29:12] or there's something to this. [29:13] I'm not asking you [29:14] to vote for Trump [29:15] based on cats being kidnapped [29:16] and grilled and barbecued. [29:18] I am saying, though, [29:19] that it begs a question [29:20] of can we sustain [29:22] 10 million people? [29:23] I want you guys to understand [29:23] how many 10 million people is. [29:25] We have 10 million illegals [29:27] that have come to the country, [29:28] which is the population [29:29] of New Jersey. [29:30] That is an unsustainable amount. [29:32] Under Donald Trump, [29:33] we have the border secure [29:34] and it will stay secure. [29:35] So those three things, [29:36] we had a great economy [29:36] under Trump [29:37] and it was easier [29:38] for you guys to own homes. [29:39] We had no wars [29:40] and you guys are closer [29:41] to World War III [29:41] than ever before. [29:42] You guys that are all, [29:43] by the way, [29:44] military age, [29:45] I hope you don't get [29:45] into World War III [29:46] because you might be drafted [29:47] under the current circumstance [29:49] and you guys might laugh, [29:50] but think about [29:51] who is endorsing Kamala Harris. [29:53] Dick Cheney, [29:54] Leon Panetta, [29:56] Liz Cheney. [29:56] These are the warmongers [29:57] of 20 years ago [29:58] that got us into these wars. [30:00] So I am not fear-mongering [30:02] here, guys. [30:02] The people that got us [30:03] into these failed wars, [30:04] by the way, [30:05] this is 9-11 today [30:06] and we remember [30:07] what happened on 9-11 [30:08] and then we remember [30:09] our terrible reaction on 9-11 [30:10] when we decided [30:11] to invade Iraq and Afghanistan. [30:13] Let us never do that again. [30:14] Let us never invade [30:15] sovereign countries. [30:16] Amen. [30:17] And I think you would [30:18] sympathize with that. [30:19] I agree. [30:19] And this is why [30:21] we are seeing [30:22] Bobby Kennedy, [30:23] Elon Musk, [30:23] Tulsi Gabbard, [30:24] people that are [30:25] card-carrying Democrats, [30:27] vote for Trump [30:27] and voice support for Trump [30:29] because what's happening [30:30] at the Democrat Party [30:31] is this very sinister combination. [30:33] It's a party of censorship, [30:35] it's a party of war, [30:36] a party of open borders [30:37] that is against [30:38] actual traditional [30:39] liberal values. [30:40] I agree. [30:43] So which way [30:44] are you leaning? [30:45] Can I get a hit? [30:47] That's a good answer. [30:48] God bless. [30:52] Thank you. [30:54] Thank you. [30:57] Hi, Charlie. [30:58] You are right. [30:59] I will. [30:59] One sec. [31:00] Yes, ma'am. [31:00] Yeah, I just have a question [31:01] kind of based on [31:02] affirmative action. [31:03] I'm a computer engineer [31:05] here at UW-Madison. [31:06] I'm about to graduate [31:06] and there's a lot [31:08] that I've found [31:08] through research [31:09] and just general, [31:11] I guess, my studies. [31:14] Not only does [31:15] affirmative action [31:15] like help, you know, [31:16] minorities, people of color, [31:18] but also women in general. [31:19] And there's a lot of facets [31:21] of engineering, [31:22] the medical system [31:23] and other factors [31:24] that because of [31:25] affirmative action [31:26] have helped. [31:27] I'll just go into something. [31:29] For example, [31:30] let's say like [31:32] in the medical field, [31:33] endometriosis, [31:34] something like that [31:35] has not been studied [31:36] in women due to [31:37] so little women [31:39] being in the medical field. [31:42] Also, for example, [31:43] like cars, [31:45] the seat belt [31:45] is made especially [31:47] for the male body. [31:48] They're only tested [31:48] with male mannequins. [31:49] So a lot of women [31:50] are in risk of dying [31:51] in car crashes [31:51] at a higher rate. [31:53] There's a lot of things [31:54] that benefit [31:55] from a diverse group [31:56] of people, [31:57] both in engineering [31:58] and medical fields [31:59] and education [32:00] and other facets [32:02] of the systems. [32:04] And I was just wondering, [32:05] without affirmative action, [32:07] how do you think [32:08] we can bring these people [32:09] in to bring a variety [32:10] of opinions? [32:12] Yeah, no, I mean, [32:12] you just have [32:13] a meritocracy, right? [32:15] So you have [32:15] three white men around you. [32:17] You can see one, [32:17] two, three. [32:18] So if one supports [32:19] affirmative... [32:19] No, it's okay. [32:20] If one supports [32:21] affirmative action, [32:22] it would mean [32:23] that you would be okay [32:24] turning to those three men [32:25] and saying, [32:25] I deserve the position [32:26] more than you [32:27] based on something [32:27] that doesn't matter [32:28] more than something [32:29] that does matter. [32:29] I feel like [32:30] that's one facet of it [32:31] that we're not also [32:32] paying attention to [32:32] is that people [32:33] that are graduating [32:34] are graduating [32:34] from the same schools. [32:35] They're graduating [32:36] with the same degrees. [32:37] With lower test scores, [32:37] though, much lower. [32:38] Every study [32:39] affirmative action, [32:39] for example, [32:40] the Harvard case [32:41] showed that it was [32:42] nearly 40% lower [32:43] test scores [32:43] for people of color [32:44] versus their white male [32:45] counterparts [32:45] and Asian counterparts. [32:47] And so at some point... [32:48] Is that like... [32:49] Why would that happen? [32:51] Do you think it's... [32:51] Yeah. [32:52] Why would that happen? [32:53] What causes that? [32:54] Do you think it's just [32:54] because people of color [32:55] are more stupid? [32:56] No, of course not. [32:57] I mean, [32:58] people of color [32:58] come from lower [32:59] socioeconomic backgrounds [33:00] that don't prioritize education. [33:01] So how do we fix [33:02] those socioeconomic statuses? [33:03] Right. [33:03] That's an interesting point. [33:05] Not should we try [33:06] to penalize white males [33:07] that are competent [33:08] to go run our systems [33:09] and our institutions. [33:10] Right. [33:11] So those are [33:11] two different things. [33:12] Right. [33:12] So what we're doing [33:13] is our institutions [33:14] are now becoming [33:14] less excellent. [33:17] Our country is not working [33:18] like it used to [33:18] because we basically [33:20] told people [33:21] that are very qualified [33:22] and very competent [33:22] that, sorry, [33:23] we're not going to [33:24] put a position for you here. [33:26] For example, [33:26] the U.S. Secret Service. [33:27] Let me just give you [33:28] one example, okay? [33:29] We can all agree [33:30] that protecting a president, [33:31] whether it's Donald Trump [33:32] or Kamala Harris, [33:32] is super important, right? [33:34] But now the Secret Service [33:35] has said [33:35] that we want to have [33:37] 30% of all our agents [33:38] be women, [33:38] which, by the way, [33:39] they have lower [33:40] fitness criteria. [33:41] So they have less pull-ups, [33:43] less push-ups, [33:44] slower mile time. [33:45] Oh, yeah, [33:45] that's something [33:46] that's due to like your [33:47] genetics. [33:47] Hold on. [33:48] Exactly. [33:48] Yeah, no, no, [33:49] but this is affirmative action, [33:50] right? [33:51] And so therefore, [33:52] when... [33:52] Well, there's like fields. [33:53] I don't think that's a good... [33:55] Wait, one second. [33:55] One second. [33:56] I just don't think [33:56] that's a good example [33:57] because like women [33:58] will never be as strong as men, [34:00] at least genetically. [34:01] So that's an interesting question. [34:02] So I think it should be [34:02] something that's more like... [34:04] Will women be as good [34:06] at engineering as men, [34:08] person for person? [34:10] Not necessarily, but... [34:11] Okay, well then, [34:12] how is that different [34:12] than the Secret Service example? [34:13] Well, the problem is that... [34:14] Because the male mind [34:15] is wired different [34:16] than the female mind. [34:17] By the way, [34:17] men will never be as good... [34:19] Hold on, [34:19] I'll prove it to you. [34:20] Men will never be as good [34:21] at counseling [34:22] or psychology sessions [34:24] as women. [34:24] Men will never be good [34:25] at nursing [34:26] or elementary school education [34:27] as women. [34:29] We have certain giftings [34:30] as our brain is wired [34:31] a certain way. [34:31] Women are far better gifted [34:33] at micro topics. [34:35] So individual connection, [34:37] empathetic type conversations, [34:39] healing people [34:40] that have passed trauma [34:41] and wound. [34:42] Men are much better [34:42] at macro topics, right? [34:44] Trying to build a building, [34:45] put a skyscraper up, [34:46] trying to talk geopolitics. [34:48] And I'll prove it to you. [34:49] When you go [34:50] and you see five women [34:50] eating lunch, [34:52] they're probably talking [34:53] about micro topics, [34:54] conversations they had, [34:56] relationships, friendships. [34:57] Men, [34:58] they're talking about politics, [34:59] sports, [34:59] or the stock market. [35:00] That's not necessarily true. [35:01] Oh, yes. [35:02] You guys all agree, right? [35:03] I mean, [35:04] there's a reason I'm here. [35:05] These are bimodal [35:06] general truths, right? [35:07] Of course there's exceptions. [35:09] It's not a general truth, though. [35:10] I feel like women have [35:11] the capability [35:12] of having political conversations. [35:14] Of course they do, [35:14] but it's not the general [35:16] wiring or nature of women. [35:17] It's not. [35:17] There's no wiring [35:18] for your brain [35:19] to like Donald Trump. [35:20] Like, that's not a real thing, [35:21] I feel like. [35:21] Hold on, but wait a second. [35:22] But do you think [35:23] that men and women [35:24] are made different [35:25] in our brains? [35:27] Certain things, [35:27] but not necessarily. [35:28] It doesn't like channel you [35:29] to be a specific thing. [35:31] Like what things? [35:32] Well, like there's [35:33] like specific wirings [35:34] to, you know, [35:35] like produce certain types [35:36] of hormones [35:36] and that's like differences [35:38] that are genetically. [35:39] So you don't think [35:40] that men are more likely [35:41] to like contact sports, [35:43] more likely to enjoy football, [35:45] UFC, hunting? [35:46] I think that's because [35:47] of a societal norm [35:48] in general, [35:49] like over, [35:49] well, over a lot of time. [35:51] No, come on, [35:51] you're smarter than that. [35:52] That's not true. [35:52] Hold on. [35:53] So why is it that? [35:53] There's women [35:54] that play football. [35:54] So like you, [35:55] you can't just say that. [35:55] Of course. [35:56] And there are men [35:57] that dress in drag, [35:58] but those are the, [35:59] those are not the, [36:00] sorry, [36:01] the general truth of it. [36:02] So let me just be clear. [36:04] You think that there's [36:04] nothing within the female brain [36:06] in its constitution [36:07] that makes young ladies [36:09] more likely. [36:10] I mean, [36:10] being that I'm an engineer, [36:11] I don't think so. [36:12] No. [36:13] Yeah. [36:14] Really? [36:14] Yeah, I don't. [36:15] I mean, [36:16] I feel like [36:17] there's so you think [36:17] if you pick a random lady here [36:19] that they'd be just as comfortable [36:20] sitting and watching [36:21] a four hour football game [36:22] than they were to go [36:23] get their hair done [36:24] with their best girlfriends. [36:25] Well, I feel like [36:25] that's kind of diminishing [36:26] to say, [36:27] oh, because you're a woman, [36:28] you will not be able [36:28] to sit through [36:29] a four hour football field. [36:30] Is it diminishing [36:31] to say a man [36:32] wouldn't want to go [36:32] get his hair done? [36:33] No. [36:34] No, I'm sure [36:34] you get your hair done, right? [36:36] Not really. [36:36] It's like 10 minutes [36:37] in and out [36:37] like barbershop. [36:38] Okay, but you still do it. [36:39] But the point, [36:40] again, [36:41] there are certain things [36:41] that women will take more. [36:42] For example, [36:43] women will take [36:44] a lot longer [36:44] getting ready for the day [36:45] than men. [36:46] Yeah. [36:46] Right? [36:47] Why? [36:48] Because we're held [36:49] to higher standards [36:50] to look pretty. [36:50] No, no, no, no. [36:51] For example, [36:52] your hair. [36:52] How short is your hair? [36:53] Super short. [36:54] Mine, [36:54] it's going to take [36:55] longer to dry. [36:56] Do you wear makeup? [36:57] Yeah. [36:58] Why? [36:59] Because you want [36:59] to look pretty [37:00] and it takes... [37:01] Yeah, that's not important [37:01] to me because I'm a man. [37:03] Well, right. [37:04] But who made you feel that way? [37:05] But there's something [37:05] in your wiring. [37:05] But you feel comfortable [37:06] not wearing makeup [37:07] because of a certain reason. [37:09] Well, but you wouldn't [37:09] feel comfortable [37:10] wearing makeup? [37:10] I can not wear makeup. [37:14] I'm not wearing [37:14] like anything really. [37:16] No, I know. [37:16] But that's the point [37:17] is that at some point [37:17] you wear makeup [37:18] because there's something [37:18] within your wiring [37:19] that says I want [37:20] to be presentable [37:21] to the world [37:22] and that wiring honestly [37:23] is I want to find [37:23] a mate to have children. [37:24] I mean, this question [37:24] was about affirmative action. [37:26] I think we're getting [37:26] No, no, no. [37:26] It's not actually [37:27] really important [37:27] because I don't think [37:28] there's any differences [37:29] between races [37:30] but I think that [37:31] when it comes to affirmative action [37:32] we're saying [37:32] that there are differences. [37:33] Right. [37:33] That we're trying to say [37:34] that things that don't matter [37:35] should matter. [37:36] So I don't think race matters. [37:37] Affirmative action says race does matter. [37:38] What about like women [37:39] also in fields like that? [37:41] Like what I explained [37:42] I think that's even more dangerous [37:43] to be honest with you. [37:44] If like we're going to say [37:44] that women should be [37:45] secret service agents [37:46] protecting Trump. [37:47] Not secret service. [37:48] I'm talking about medicine [37:48] engineering that type of thing. [37:49] Well, hold on. [37:50] Okay, so should we try [37:51] to have the same amount [37:52] of female to male OBGYNs? [37:56] I think it should be [37:56] similar to the amount [37:57] of like the general population. [38:00] Hold on. [38:01] 85% of all OBGYNs [38:02] are female. [38:04] Yeah. [38:04] So now should we have parodies [38:06] so that men should... [38:07] I have an OBGYN [38:08] that's a man. [38:09] That's not a problem. [38:09] That's not the point. [38:10] The point is [38:11] should we have parity? [38:12] I think it should be [38:13] similar to like whatever the... [38:15] Got it. [38:15] Okay, so you're consistent. [38:17] So women studying [38:18] in the OBGYN field [38:19] will be actively [38:20] discriminated against [38:21] so a man can... [38:23] Because we must have parity. [38:24] It's not about people [38:24] in the OBGYN specifically. [38:26] It's about people in general. [38:27] Men were... [38:28] Like for example, [38:28] women were not able to vote [38:29] until like less than a... [38:30] Like 100 years ago basically, right? [38:32] What does that have to do with... [38:33] One second. [38:34] So because of that, [38:36] a lot of the laws, [38:37] a lot of everything [38:37] that's set in place [38:38] was made by men, [38:39] was excluding women, [38:41] was creating like reforms [38:43] and like certain legislations [38:45] that would specifically, [38:47] you know, [38:48] support men [38:49] rather than women [38:50] because women don't have [38:51] that ability. [38:52] Or support society. [38:53] I don't think it was always [38:53] about supporting men. [38:54] Well, for example, [38:54] like what I brought up, [38:56] endometriosis, [38:57] so like the seatbelt accident, [38:58] like all this stuff [38:59] is due because [39:00] we tend to favor men [39:02] in specific... [39:02] So I just don't believe that, [39:04] first of all, [39:05] because research will go [39:06] where the money is. [39:07] And so was there money [39:08] in endometriosis research? [39:10] Not much [39:11] because men don't care. [39:11] So maybe it wasn't sexism, [39:13] maybe it was a monetary explanation. [39:14] Well, who has the money [39:16] in a society? [39:16] Well, actually women [39:17] control more money [39:18] than men in the country. [39:19] But women weren't able [39:19] to have bank accounts [39:21] until like less than [39:22] 100 years ago, [39:23] so they can't really like, [39:24] you know, [39:24] build a generational wealth. [39:25] Do you think it's been [39:26] a better thing [39:27] with women's liberation [39:28] in the last 20, 30 years? [39:29] Yeah. [39:29] I would be... [39:30] That's interesting. [39:31] Do you think women are happier [39:32] in America today [39:33] than they were 30 years ago? [39:35] Yeah. [39:36] Then why are they [39:36] the most depressed group [39:37] in the history of the species? [39:39] Women are the most miserable [39:41] they've ever been. [39:41] Like, why is that? [39:43] I don't think that's... [39:44] I don't think that's because [39:45] we're allowed to have money now. [39:46] No, I'm asking. [39:46] I'm asking the answer. [39:47] But it's like more liberation, [39:48] more college degrees, [39:50] more birth control, [39:51] less marriage, [39:51] less kids. [39:51] I would argue otherwise. [39:52] I don't know where you got that data. [39:54] No, everybody agrees [39:55] that women are super miserable. [39:56] Like, as far as... [39:57] Versus 30 years ago. [39:58] Well, it could be the fact that [40:00] because women weren't able [40:01] to go to, like, a psychologist [40:03] or, like... [40:04] Or maybe it's because [40:05] they're not doing [40:06] the one thing [40:07] that they want to do, [40:09] which is to get married [40:10] and have children. [40:12] Yeah, she's saying that... [40:14] No, it's actually opposite. [40:15] It's saying that women actually... [40:17] It says women around the world [40:18] report higher levels [40:19] of life satisfaction than men, [40:21] but at the same time [40:21] report more daily stress. [40:22] Yeah, so... [40:23] So type in women [40:24] antidepressant use, 2024. [40:27] It is the highest [40:28] it has ever been. [40:28] But there's, like, [40:29] more layers to it than that. [40:30] It can't just be that. [40:31] You have to look at [40:32] why are women more likely [40:33] to go and talk to a psychologist. [40:35] There's differences in that. [40:37] So, but I just... [40:38] I'm just curious. [40:38] So do you think women [40:40] are generally happier [40:40] in 2024 than they were in 1964? [40:42] Yes. [40:43] Okay, thank you very much. [40:44] But I just had the question [40:45] of how would you want to fix that? [40:46] Just like... [40:46] There's no problem to fix. [40:47] Pure meritocracy. [40:48] No, I'm just saying, like, [40:49] how do you bring people [40:50] with diverse opinions? [40:51] Oh, yeah, I mean, [40:52] like, I don't care that much about... [40:53] I care about excellence. [40:54] So, like, women... [40:55] Oh, yeah. [40:55] Like, you used to be [40:56] studying into stuff like [40:57] endometriosis and stuff like that. [40:58] I don't care about putting women in STEM. [40:58] I care about being a strong... [40:59] No, I'm talking about, like, [41:00] being able to, like, [41:01] look into those type of things. [41:02] Like, endometriosis is, like, [41:03] all this stuff. [41:03] How do we make that safer [41:04] for other people [41:05] without bringing people [41:06] that care about it? [41:07] Not that important to me. [41:08] I want the country we once had, [41:09] which was the greatest country ever, [41:10] where we put excellence [41:11] and we put superior intellect [41:14] above, like, sensitive racial politics. [41:17] Not interesting to me. [41:19] Okay. [41:19] Because it was a bunch of white men [41:21] that were, like, running the country [41:22] and all of a sudden we've decided... [41:24] I'm not saying that's a bad thing. [41:25] I'm just saying that... [41:25] No, good. [41:25] Like, that's fine. [41:26] I mean, but when we used to have [41:28] a country that was based on merit, [41:30] we were more successful [41:31] and we were a better-run country [41:33] and we're objectively not now. [41:34] We're a country... [41:35] I'm just saying that in engineering, [41:35] there's a lot of... [41:35] We can't even protect a president [41:36] from getting shot. [41:37] Yeah, there's a lot of... [41:38] There's a lot of parts in engineering [41:39] that because we don't have [41:40] a diverse look of opinions, [41:41] then we are putting them... [41:43] Like, we're putting certain people [41:44] into more danger, [41:45] like women in cars. [41:46] That's, like, one example. [41:47] Okay. Thank you. [41:49] That's okay. [41:49] All right. Thanks. [41:51] You're voting for Trump? [41:52] No. [41:53] Yeah, I was gonna say. [41:53] I can't. [41:54] Yeah, well, you lied to get a hat [41:56] and that shows your character. [41:57] I don't lie. [41:58] I said I would wear it. [41:58] You said if you wear it. [41:59] I said only if you vote, [42:00] but that's fine. [42:01] All right, next question. [42:02] Hello. [42:03] Hi. [42:03] Hi. [42:05] I... [42:06] About that... [42:08] Well, first question, [42:10] why can't marriage be allowed [42:11] with two men or two women? [42:13] That question got me. [42:14] Yeah, so, I mean, [42:15] allowed and what it is [42:17] are two different things. [42:18] So, again, [42:19] just strictly from what marriage [42:21] has always been [42:22] is the idea of [42:23] two separate parts [42:25] coming in a union [42:26] to be able to have, [42:28] hopefully, [42:28] a lifelong partnership [42:29] to raise kids, [42:31] adopt kids, [42:31] or have kids, [42:33] and to become [42:33] better versions of themselves. [42:34] It is the attraction [42:35] of opposites. [42:36] And so, [42:37] if you want to [42:38] redefine marriage, [42:39] that's fine. [42:39] That's your contention. [42:40] But I take a classical [42:41] view of marriage. [42:43] Based on, [42:43] like, what is that [42:44] based on what? [42:45] The Bible? [42:46] The natural law. [42:47] Is that the Bible? [42:49] Well, natural law [42:49] is separate than the Bible, [42:50] but it's harmonic [42:51] with the Bible. [42:52] That's correct. [42:53] Okay. [42:55] Because what would you say, [42:56] what is the purpose [42:58] of marriage? [42:59] Marriage is like, [43:00] I love you, [43:00] you love me, [43:01] let's get together. [43:03] Can a 25-year-old [43:04] marry an 8-year-old? [43:06] No. [43:07] Why? [43:08] Because that 8-year-old [43:09] is not ready. [43:11] They are not adults. [43:11] Got it. [43:11] So, at some point, [43:12] let's build out [43:13] your definition more then. [43:15] Love each other, [43:16] but also what? [43:16] What is the purpose? [43:17] What is the destination [43:18] of marriage? [43:19] We are two adults. [43:20] We love each other. [43:20] Fair enough. [43:21] Okay, we love each other. [43:22] End of story. [43:22] End of story. [43:23] Well, let's, [43:24] give me another thing [43:25] and maybe I'll add to it. [43:26] Okay, but is that it? [43:27] Is it about union, [43:28] partnership, friendship? [43:29] I think it's just like, [43:30] let's get our taxes good. [43:33] Like, you know, [43:34] let's just get married. [43:35] Like, I don't think [43:35] there needs to be [43:36] some big, crazy reason. [43:38] No, I'm not attacking you. [43:40] I think marriage is holy [43:42] and by holy, [43:43] I don't just mean [43:43] in a religious sense. [43:44] Holy means separate, [43:46] meaning it should be elevated. [43:47] It should be celebrated. [43:48] It's something that [43:49] is so above the rest [43:51] and you just think [43:52] it's like a tax advantage [43:53] and it's fine [43:54] because actually [43:55] most Americans agree with you. [43:56] Yeah. [43:57] I think marriage is something [43:58] where we should drop everything [43:59] like, wow, [44:00] two separate parts [44:01] have just made [44:01] a lifelong covenant [44:02] with one another [44:03] to learn about the other [44:06] and to grow with each other [44:07] and it's difficult [44:07] and I think that [44:09] we've lost that. [44:10] I mean, I'm Jewish [44:11] and like, [44:12] in Judaism, [44:13] there's the, like, [44:14] tort, like, [44:15] there's like the, [44:16] when you get married, [44:17] the religious marriage [44:18] and then there's [44:18] the government marriage. [44:19] Like, you have to get married [44:20] twice, basically. [44:21] So I think what you're talking about [44:22] is probably the religious marriage [44:24] like with a priest. [44:25] I'm talking about [44:26] governmental marriage. [44:27] I'm even talking about [44:28] I'm just saying [44:29] traditionally [44:29] our governmental marriage, [44:31] again, [44:31] I'm in the vast minority [44:32] of opinion [44:33] in the country [44:33] of this, [44:34] has been the classical view [44:35] that it's a man [44:36] and a woman [44:37] coming together [44:37] in something sacred [44:38] and something holy [44:40] or elevated. [44:41] Again, that's not... [44:42] I would say [44:43] that's just a Christian marriage. [44:44] It's not necessarily Christian. [44:46] In Judaism, [44:47] in traditional [44:48] rabbinical Judaism, [44:49] Orthodox, [44:50] homosexual marriage [44:50] is not recognized. [44:53] That is true. [44:53] So it's not Christian. [44:55] In Islam, [44:56] homosexual marriage [44:56] is not recognized. [44:58] So it's not just Christian. [44:59] So it's Abrahamic. [45:01] Abrahamic. [45:01] All right, we agree. [45:02] Why do we care [45:04] if there's no father? [45:05] Like, I grew up [45:06] without a father. [45:07] I feel like I'm doing fine. [45:08] I'm doing great. [45:09] I'm in college. [45:11] Like, why are we so [45:12] towards the father? [45:14] Why does he need [45:15] to be there so much? [45:16] So just looking at... [45:18] Try to answer [45:19] my question for me. [45:20] Do you think [45:20] what kind of... [45:21] Is there any time [45:22] and you're being [45:23] very vulnerable [45:24] and I appreciate that [45:24] when you were growing up [45:26] and maybe not [45:27] where you said, [45:28] I wish I had a dad around? [45:29] My mom says [45:30] I did wish for that once [45:32] at wishing well. [45:34] But, like, [45:34] my mom was great. [45:37] She supported me, [45:38] provided me... [45:38] No, no, [45:39] this is not a knock [45:40] on single moms. [45:40] Right. [45:41] But was there ever [45:41] a time maybe [45:42] where a more masculine figure [45:45] would have been helpful? [45:47] I can't really... [45:48] Not off the top of my head. [45:49] Like, what... [45:50] Can you give me an example [45:50] of when a masculine figure [45:52] would be helpful in my life? [45:53] When a boyfriend [45:53] might have broke up with you [45:54] and you didn't want [45:55] to talk to your mom [45:56] because she just didn't get it [45:57] and you wanted [45:58] a strong, stable man [46:00] to say you're beautiful? [46:02] I think... [46:04] I mean, I have... [46:05] If my father was like, [46:08] you're beautiful, [46:10] that'd be cool. [46:12] But, like, [46:12] if my mom was also like, [46:14] you're beautiful, [46:14] I don't really see [46:15] a difference between, like, [46:16] my mom saying it [46:17] and my father saying it. [46:18] Wow, okay. [46:18] Yeah, that's... [46:19] I don't see the world that way [46:20] because there's a... [46:22] Being a father to a daughter, [46:24] there's a very unique bond [46:25] between a father and a daughter [46:27] where it's... [46:28] You kind of... [46:29] You fall in love again, [46:31] but not romantic love. [46:32] You fall in a different type [46:33] of Greek love, [46:34] which is called storge, [46:35] which is a father-daughter love [46:37] where you have such affection [46:38] for this incredible being [46:40] and your task is to shepherd [46:43] that vulnerable, innocent girl [46:45] through life [46:46] all the way up until [46:47] the marriage aisle [46:49] to kind of connect [46:50] the two topics together, right? [46:52] Wow. [46:52] Where then you hand it off [46:53] to another man [46:54] because women are worthy [46:56] of protection. [46:57] So you're saying, like, [46:58] there has to be a man [47:00] in the woman's life. [47:01] The woman can't be, like, alone. [47:03] No, there are exceptions, [47:04] but it is a beautiful ideal, [47:06] and when that ideal falls apart... [47:08] Now let's talk about [47:09] the technical side. [47:10] In the black community, [47:12] when fathers are no longer around, [47:13] crime goes up, [47:14] poverty goes up, [47:14] because you'll understand this less, [47:17] and a man in the audience [47:18] who grew up without a father [47:19] will totally get this. [47:20] If it's just a mom in the house, [47:22] the dad should come in [47:24] and discipline the 14-year-old [47:26] for acting like a brat. [47:27] The dad comes in, [47:28] and he says, [47:29] stop doing this. [47:30] You need to be able [47:31] to outrank the 14-year-old brat [47:34] with another masculine figure. [47:36] But don't you think that, like, [47:38] there's a reason that [47:39] a lot of the black community [47:41] isn't, doesn't have a father, [47:43] and it's because of systemic racism. [47:44] It's because, like, black men [47:47] are more likely to be in prison. [47:48] Oh, yeah, so why do people [47:49] go to prison? [47:51] For, like, a lot of the time, [47:53] it's because they're in poverty [47:54] and they have no other way to get... [47:56] Okay, so they commit crimes. [47:57] Because there is... [47:58] They do. [47:59] Yeah, but so, like... [48:00] Wait, so, wait. [48:01] They be... [48:02] Why do they... [48:03] So, wait, if you're in... [48:04] So, in poverty, [48:05] we should give excuses [48:06] for committing crimes? [48:07] Yes, because if they have no... [48:08] Like murder? [48:09] Not murder. [48:09] I did not say murder. [48:10] I said, like... [48:11] I'm saying, like, [48:12] if someone is stealing something [48:14] because they have no money [48:15] and there's no jobs... [48:16] That's so interesting. [48:17] So you think most crimes [48:18] are crimes of necessity [48:19] in the black community? [48:21] Um, I wouldn't... [48:22] I'm not saying most. [48:23] So, like, gangbanging [48:24] is, like, a crime of necessity? [48:26] That... [48:26] I've literally never said that. [48:28] I'm saying... [48:28] But you're making an argument [48:29] of crimes of necessity. [48:30] Like, they're so hungry, [48:31] they can't handle it. [48:32] I'm talking about, like, [48:33] crime that has to do [48:34] with, like, getting food, [48:36] getting stuff [48:37] that you need to live. [48:39] Right. [48:39] But we have food stamps [48:41] for anyone that needs it. [48:42] So that doesn't exist. [48:43] We have... [48:44] We have subsidized housing [48:45] for anyone that needs it. [48:46] So that doesn't exist. [48:47] We have free health care [48:48] for any poor person [48:49] that wants it called Medicaid. [48:50] That doesn't exist. [48:50] We also have welfare cash [48:52] for anyone that wants it. [48:53] That doesn't exist. [48:54] So what is it they're missing [48:55] that they need to go... [48:56] Sorry about that. [48:56] Um, well, the food... [48:58] Like, a lot of food stamps... [49:00] Like, food stamps [49:00] might not cover [49:01] all of what they need. [49:03] And also, housing is, like... [49:05] There's not... [49:05] There's not unlimited housing. [49:08] A lot of people [49:09] who are unhoused [49:10] have to, like, [49:11] go to shelters [49:12] and then they get [49:13] kicked out of shelters [49:14] because there's [49:14] a mandatory stay limit. [49:16] So it's not like [49:17] you just get a house. [49:18] It's not a stuff thing, though, right? [49:20] It's like, if you need stuff, [49:21] there's also tons [49:22] of charities out there [49:23] that can provide assistance. [49:25] Churches, [49:25] you will not go hungry [49:26] in this country. [49:27] You will not starve [49:28] in this country. [49:28] Yes, you will. [49:29] There's, like... [49:30] No, we have an obesity problem. [49:31] We have an obesity problem, [49:32] not a starvation problem [49:33] in this country. [49:34] What are you talking about? [49:35] In State Street, [49:36] if any one of those people [49:36] went to the local [49:37] Episcopalian church [49:38] or Methodist church, [49:39] they will get fed. [49:41] I guarantee it. [49:41] If they go to [49:42] a local food shelter, [49:43] they will get fed. [49:44] Okay, but I'm talking... [49:45] Okay, housing. [49:46] Okay, for housing. [49:47] If we have Section 8 [49:48] subsidized housing [49:49] in this country, right? [49:51] If you want to have [49:52] a roof over your head, [49:53] you can have a roof [49:54] over your head. [49:55] With, like, [49:55] thousands of rules [49:57] and you can't do anything. [49:58] Yes, of course. [49:58] Yes, I mean, it's not ideal, [50:00] but the point is this... [50:01] So let's just go back [50:01] to the crime and necessity, right? [50:03] So why do people [50:04] commit crimes? [50:06] I'm not saying [50:07] why all people commit crimes. [50:08] I'm saying [50:09] there are people [50:10] who commit crimes [50:11] because they have [50:11] no other choice. [50:12] Got it. [50:13] So why is it [50:14] that other people [50:14] that are as poor [50:16] as they are [50:17] in separate racial groups [50:18] don't commit crimes [50:19] at the same rates? [50:20] For example, [50:21] blacks are 13% [50:22] of the population [50:22] and they commit [50:23] over 50% of the crimes. [50:25] Why is that? [50:27] Black people, [50:29] I would say, [50:30] not blacks. [50:30] Okay, it's not... [50:31] I can say whites [50:31] and you wouldn't care. [50:32] Anyway. [50:33] Hold on. [50:34] Hold on. [50:35] Right? [50:35] I can say Hispanics [50:36] and you wouldn't care. [50:37] So don't police my language. [50:38] I think I might, but whatever. [50:39] I'm not policing your language. [50:40] I'm just saying [50:41] I would say black people. [50:41] Fair enough, [50:42] but the insinuation [50:42] is that I'm being racist, [50:44] but that's fine. [50:44] Okay, that's your opinion. [50:46] But so black Americans [50:48] are 13% of the population [50:50] and commit anywhere [50:51] between 50 to 56% [50:53] of murders, crimes, [50:55] carjackings. [50:56] Why is that? [50:56] Well, what percentage [50:57] of the white population [50:58] is living in the same [50:59] level of poverty? [51:00] Got it. [51:00] So you know there's [51:01] twice as many white Americans [51:02] in poverty as black Americans. [51:04] Not the same percentage, [51:04] but still, [51:05] if you look at white Americans [51:06] in poverty, [51:07] they commit far less crimes [51:09] than black Americans [51:10] in poverty. [51:11] Why is that? [51:11] Maybe it's because [51:12] when you're in a store, [51:14] like, they follow black people [51:16] and they don't follow [51:16] white people. [51:17] What about murder? [51:19] Rural? [51:19] Rural? [51:20] No, but why is it that, [51:20] like, just saying murder, [51:21] why is it that black people [51:23] commit so many more murders? [51:24] But white people are in rural? [51:24] Like, that's not, [51:25] you're being followed in a store [51:26] and you commit more murders? [51:28] Yeah. [51:31] You're making the rule, [51:32] or I'll get to you in a sec, [51:33] but it's not a good argument. [51:35] But let me just go back [51:35] to one thing you said. [51:36] Systemic racism, right? [51:37] So the idea of systemic [51:39] is that it's within our laws. [51:40] There are some black Americans [51:42] here listening. [51:43] What can you as a white American do [51:45] that the black American cannot do? [51:49] Let's see. [51:50] I could go into a store [51:52] and not get followed. [51:53] The police, [51:54] like, the police could not track me down [51:56] on, like, when I'm driving, [51:58] I'm not, [51:58] I'm less likely to get shot [52:01] and killed [52:01] while I'm driving. [52:04] I, um, [52:05] there's a lot of things [52:06] that I can do. [52:07] Okay, so just be clear. [52:08] So if you walk into a local CVS here, [52:09] how would you guys [52:10] be treated differently? [52:11] Well, I would probably, [52:12] they would probably say hello [52:13] and they would probably, [52:14] like, just walk, [52:15] like, let me in [52:16] and, like, not follow me. [52:17] And then... [52:18] So these are a lot of probabilities. [52:20] I don't believe you, [52:21] but I'm talking about laws, right? [52:22] So what in the legal code of America [52:24] can you as a white individual [52:26] do that the black individual can't? [52:28] Because systemic means [52:29] it's in our code, right? [52:30] It's like, it's, for example, [52:31] like Jim Crow, totally get it. [52:32] That's systemic racism. [52:33] What is systemically your advantage? [52:38] Um, maybe, like, housing codes [52:40] because I know redlining [52:41] isn't a thing anymore, [52:42] but there is, um, like, [52:45] isn't there people who are white [52:47] are more likely to be given loans [52:49] because of, like, they have less, [52:51] um, like, I don't know. [52:55] That's just the, like, [52:56] it's back from redlining. [52:58] Like, it's a lot of the same stuff. [53:01] So I don't buy into any of that. [53:03] So I just kind of go... [53:04] You don't buy into redlining [53:05] or you don't buy into redlining. [53:06] I don't buy any of that stuff [53:07] that happens today. [53:08] In fact, it's the opposite. [53:09] Loans are now given favorably [53:10] to black Americans [53:11] in certain cities [53:12] over white Americans. [53:12] Okay, but let's... [53:14] You think redlining... [53:15] I believe in... [53:16] I know redlining is listed. [53:17] Okay, okay. [53:17] I don't debate that. [53:18] Of course I have. [53:19] But because of DEI [53:20] and because of affirmative action, [53:21] there's actually a preference given. [53:23] But, so let's go back to fathers, right? [53:24] Okay, let's go back to fathers. [53:25] So something happened [53:27] to black America since 1965. [53:30] So in 1965... [53:31] So... [53:32] You mean the war on drugs? [53:33] Right. [53:34] Well, so if that's your contention, [53:35] that's fine. [53:36] So in order to, again, [53:37] in order to go to jail [53:38] for the war on drugs, [53:38] you have to be dealing drugs, right? [53:40] Or you have to be caught with drugs. [53:41] So if you don't... [53:41] Which is one of, like, [53:42] the main jobs that you can have [53:43] in, like, poverty-stricken... [53:46] Like, if there's no jobs, [53:47] like, you're going to do drugs. [53:48] I mean, you're going to trade drugs [53:50] because that's the only option you have. [53:51] It's such a difference in worldview. [53:52] You're making excuses for criminals. [53:54] Yeah, basically. [53:55] No, what an insult [53:56] to poor immigrants [53:57] that came to this country [53:58] that didn't commit crimes [53:59] and worked two or three jobs [54:01] and worked themselves out of poverty [54:02] and didn't decide to go deal coke. [54:04] Well, my father is a white immigrant [54:07] from Poland, [54:07] and he committed crimes, [54:09] and he's fine now, so... [54:11] Did he go to jail? [54:12] Yeah, he did. [54:12] I thought there was systemic racism. [54:13] I thought it doesn't happen very much. [54:15] I never said white people [54:16] don't go to jail. [54:17] I said they go more, [54:18] and you're saying that [54:19] white immigrants are fine [54:20] and they don't. [54:21] No, it's far less, actually. [54:22] I'm glad he went to jail [54:23] if he committed a crime. [54:24] I think that's... [54:24] I think it's terrible. [54:25] Yeah. [54:25] So, but at the core of it, [54:27] we have a difference in worldview, right? [54:29] My worldview is [54:30] I'm not sympathetic to people [54:31] that steal, [54:33] that loot, [54:33] and murder [54:34] because that's a values problem, [54:36] and I don't like making excuses [54:38] for people that do things [54:40] that are obviously destructive. [54:41] Secondly, [54:42] we have a problem in black America. [54:44] The biggest problem is not racism. [54:46] It's the lack of dads. [54:48] If dads are around, [54:50] kids flourish. [54:50] And you know who agreed with me? [54:52] Barack Obama. [54:53] Barack Obama used to make this [54:55] a central piece of his campaign. [54:57] He came to this campus back in 2012, [54:59] drew like a 100,000-person crowd, [55:01] and talked about [55:02] how we need to rebuild the black family [55:03] and put dads back. [55:04] Why doesn't the Democrat Party [55:05] talk about that anymore? [55:06] I'm fine with having fathers. [55:08] I'm not against having black dads. [55:10] For sure. [55:11] I'm saying, [55:11] but don't we agree? [55:12] Has anyone heard that mentioned [55:14] on the national scale [55:15] in the last 10 years? [55:18] Yeah, I mean, [55:18] we've heard about like... [55:19] Probably not. [55:20] Yeah. [55:21] Because there's bigger issues. [55:22] No, there isn't. [55:23] See, that's the issue [55:24] is that this is what makes us different. [55:26] As a conservative, [55:27] I focus on [55:28] if you have family breakdown, [55:30] don't worry about climate change. [55:32] Don't worry about systemic racism. [55:33] All that stuff is like [55:34] these crazy abstractions. [55:35] Systemic racism creates family problems. [55:39] If you take away [55:40] black people from their families, [55:42] then they're going to have broken families. [55:43] Okay, so... [55:44] But that's interesting. [55:45] How are you taking them away? [55:46] Aren't they leaving? [55:48] They're not staying [55:49] with the women they're impregnating. [55:50] So, for example, [55:51] there are... [55:52] 13% of the population is black. [55:54] Not every single person [55:55] ends up in jail, obviously. [55:57] And yet there's [55:57] huge child abandonment [55:59] because there's a cultural expectation [56:01] that is different in black America [56:02] than in white America, [56:03] which is it's okay [56:04] to impregnate a woman [56:05] and abandon her in black America. [56:07] It's not... [56:07] Based on what? [56:08] What is that based on? [56:09] That's a good question. [56:10] Where does it come from? [56:11] It's just based on... [56:12] No, I'm saying, [56:12] what is that, [56:13] like, your view of black America? [56:14] Well, it's not a view. [56:15] It's true. [56:15] I mean, don't take my word for it. [56:17] Look at Thomas Sowell [56:18] and Shelby Steele [56:19] that have done amazing analysis on this. [56:21] It's that in black culture, [56:23] that is not considered to be a stigma. [56:24] In white, upper-middle-class culture, [56:26] for those of you [56:27] that grew up in Waukesha [56:28] or Libertyville [56:29] or grew up in Hinsdale [56:30] or grew up in Naperville, [56:31] you guys all know those neighborhoods, [56:33] if you impregnate a girl, [56:35] a woman, [56:35] and you just, like, abandon her, [56:37] that's frowned upon. [56:38] That is a social stigma [56:39] in upper-middle-class white culture. [56:42] And it's not in black culture? [56:43] No. [56:43] In fact, it's glorified [56:44] by the rap culture. [56:46] It is. [56:47] I think rap culture [56:49] is showing what happened. [56:51] I don't think it's... [56:52] Do you think that the songs [56:54] that are the most popular [56:55] in black America [56:56] are uplifting black America [56:57] to be better versions of themselves? [56:59] I think the most popular songs... [57:01] Like Nicki Minaj, Cardi B, [57:02] do you think that they're, like, [57:03] empowering people to be great? [57:05] Well, I do think Cardi B [57:07] and Nicki Minaj are empowering. [57:08] But when you talk about, like... [57:10] Wow. [57:11] Black, like, let's go, like, [57:14] Kendrick or whatever, [57:15] like, they're talking about [57:17] their life experiences [57:18] and they're saying, [57:20] this is what happened to me [57:21] and people relate to that [57:22] because that's also [57:23] what happened to them. [57:24] It's not saying [57:25] this is the greatest thing [57:26] in the entire world. [57:27] Does it lift up the audience [57:28] to become better? [57:29] I think so. [57:30] Because it's, like... [57:31] How? [57:31] Because it's saying [57:32] we all relate to this. [57:33] We can all, like, [57:34] this is our story. [57:36] This is... [57:36] We can be, like, [57:37] better than this [57:38] even though it's, like... [57:39] I mean, there's better, [57:40] there's not better. [57:41] It depends on what [57:41] your worldview is. [57:42] But I think that rap [57:44] is good because it can, like... [57:46] No, I'm not saying [57:46] it's bad or good. [57:47] I'm saying, like, [57:47] there's just the essence, [57:48] the core, the ethos [57:49] is not exactly about, like, [57:51] quitting drinking, [57:52] quitting drugs, [57:53] and getting married [57:53] and having children. [57:54] No, it's about [57:54] what you have done, [57:55] not about, like... [57:57] No, but I'd like to be clear, [57:58] like, in black rap culture, [58:00] is it generally glorified [58:02] to go sleep [58:02] with a lot of women? [58:04] I mean, that's your view of it. [58:06] I'm asking a question. [58:07] Is it in black rap culture? [58:08] Yes or no, guys? [58:09] In black rap culture? [58:10] Is glorify women? [58:12] To be able to sleep [58:13] with a lot of women. [58:14] I mean, I think [58:14] that's one aspect, yeah. [58:16] Okay, so let's just [58:16] take that aspect. [58:17] Because it's a luxury [58:18] that people can do. [58:20] And, like, it's one of the things [58:21] that people can do [58:22] and everyone can relate to. [58:24] Or a lot of people [58:25] can relate to. [58:25] Shouldn't ideally [58:26] your culture [58:27] try to elevate [58:29] and try to challenge [58:30] the individual [58:31] to virtue and goodness, [58:33] not try to bring them down [58:34] to the lowest parts of their... [58:36] No, who is... [58:36] Again, I'm not saying [58:38] that they are bringing them down. [58:39] I'm saying that [58:40] this is what they are doing [58:41] and they are sharing [58:42] their experiences. [58:43] They're not saying [58:44] this is the best thing [58:45] in the entire world. [58:46] They're saying [58:47] this is what I have been through. [58:49] Like sleeping with a lot of women. [58:50] Yeah. [58:51] Or, like, gang violence [58:52] and, you know... [58:53] I mean, if that's what... [58:54] Like, a lot of people [58:55] have been through gang violence [58:56] because that's what's happening [58:58] in their neighborhoods. [58:59] That's the only... [59:00] That's... [59:00] They feel like [59:01] that's the only option. [59:01] And you might know [59:02] that that's not the only option. [59:04] But when you are living [59:05] in that neighborhood... [59:06] Got it. [59:07] ...and you don't see any jobs, [59:08] this is how your family [59:09] was raising you, [59:11] what, like, [59:11] what other option do you have? [59:13] And once you're in it, [59:14] it's really hard to get out. [59:15] So, got it. [59:15] You talk about systemic racism [59:17] and that being a major driver [59:20] of, you know, [59:21] black America's failure [59:23] to launch, if you will. [59:24] We subsidize single motherhood [59:26] in this country. [59:26] So, if you stay single [59:27] as a single mother, [59:28] you get money [59:29] from the federal government [59:29] and it's basically subsidized, [59:31] if you will. [59:32] Sure. [59:32] Can we at least agree [59:35] that if the nuclear family [59:37] in black America [59:38] was stronger and tighter-knit, [59:39] that would be a good thing? [59:42] In a lot of cases, yeah. [59:44] I think if... [59:45] But I think if they're, like, [59:47] if the father's abusive, [59:48] I would not want him there. [59:49] So, I think it really depends [59:50] on, like, what family [59:51] you're talking about. [59:52] I don't think you can generalize [59:53] and say... [59:53] What percentage of fathers [59:54] do you think are abusive? [59:55] I have no idea. [59:56] I would say [59:56] it's probably small, right? [59:59] Not... [1:00:00] Like, I don't know. [1:00:00] I have no idea. [1:00:01] I have not done research [1:00:02] on what percentage [1:00:03] of fathers are abusive. [1:00:04] But generally, [1:00:05] it's good when mom [1:00:06] and dad stays around [1:00:07] and is raising the kid. [1:00:08] I would say [1:00:09] if they are both [1:00:11] healthy parents [1:00:11] and they are both [1:00:12] ready to have a child, [1:00:13] it's great. [1:00:14] Got it. [1:00:14] My father, [1:00:15] not ready to have a child, [1:00:16] do not want him around me. [1:00:17] Just one last question [1:00:18] on role models. [1:00:19] Let's say there's, you know, [1:00:20] a black kid right now. [1:00:21] Would you rather [1:00:22] have that black kid [1:00:23] have a role model [1:00:23] be Kendrick Lamar [1:00:25] or Clarence Thomas? [1:00:27] Kendrick, obviously. [1:00:29] So not the black American [1:00:31] on the United States [1:00:32] Supreme Court? [1:00:33] No, he's trying [1:00:34] to ban interracial marriage. [1:00:35] He's trying to, like, do all... [1:00:36] Wow. [1:00:37] He's in an interracial marriage. [1:00:39] He literally, like... [1:00:40] He's married to a white woman. [1:00:42] Yeah, I know. [1:00:43] The Roe v. Wade thing, like, [1:00:45] goes against... [1:00:45] He's trying to ban [1:00:46] his own marriage? [1:00:47] Yes! [1:00:48] I thought I've heard [1:00:48] everything. [1:00:48] I'm sorry to break it to you. [1:00:49] So we agree that [1:00:51] there should be [1:00:51] better role models, maybe? [1:00:53] When have I ever said [1:00:55] that there should not be... [1:00:56] I'm agreeing with you [1:00:57] that there should be fathers [1:00:58] if they are right for that thing. [1:00:58] No, no, it's fine. [1:00:59] I'm just... [1:01:00] Like, we're agreeing. [1:01:01] And last question. [1:01:02] You're voting for Kamala, [1:01:03] I'm guessing? [1:01:04] How can you tell? [1:01:05] Yeah. [1:01:06] Okay, what's her greatest [1:01:07] accomplishment? [1:01:08] Probably capping income... [1:01:10] Like, capping the insulin [1:01:11] at $35. [1:01:12] She did that? [1:01:13] Yeah. [1:01:14] What else? [1:01:15] I mean, you said her greatest. [1:01:17] I'm just saying, like, [1:01:17] that's the thing [1:01:18] that goes off the top [1:01:19] of my mind is, like, [1:01:20] don't you... [1:01:21] Like, big pharma. [1:01:23] I'm sure you're [1:01:24] anti-big pharma. [1:01:25] Oh, yeah. [1:01:25] I mean, that's why [1:01:26] all the pharmaceutical companies [1:01:27] are donating to her. [1:01:28] That's right. [1:01:28] So, okay. [1:01:30] Okay. [1:01:30] Yeah. [1:01:31] Thank you very much. [1:01:33] Enjoy voting for Kamala. [1:01:35] Yes, hello. [1:01:36] How are you? [1:01:36] Good morning. [1:01:37] I'm good. [1:01:37] How are you doing? [1:01:39] Good. [1:01:40] My first question has to... [1:01:42] It relates with [1:01:43] Donald Trump's morals [1:01:44] and characters. [1:01:46] Morals and character [1:01:47] excuses are often made for him, [1:01:49] but that has not been the case [1:01:51] for most presidents, [1:01:51] and I'd like to discuss [1:01:53] that with you. [1:01:54] Donald Trump has continuously [1:01:56] shown low morals [1:01:58] and poor character, [1:02:00] and I understand [1:02:01] that you are a pretty strong [1:02:02] evangelical Christian. [1:02:03] Is that correct? [1:02:04] And I don't think [1:02:05] Donald Trump exemplifies [1:02:06] strong Christianity. [1:02:08] So I'd like to know [1:02:09] what you think about that. [1:02:10] So, great question. [1:02:13] So are you a Christian? [1:02:14] I just want to know [1:02:14] by what standard [1:02:15] you're judging him. [1:02:16] I personally am not a Christian. [1:02:18] Okay. [1:02:18] So that's interesting to me. [1:02:19] Why do you then care [1:02:20] about what Christians [1:02:22] think of Trump [1:02:23] if you yourself [1:02:24] are not a Christian? [1:02:25] Well, I believe [1:02:25] Christianity still [1:02:26] does play a great role [1:02:27] in this country. [1:02:28] Fair enough. [1:02:29] No, I just want to know [1:02:29] by what standard [1:02:30] you're judging him. [1:02:31] That's fine. [1:02:32] So, when we're selecting [1:02:35] a leader, [1:02:36] all of us are sinners. [1:02:38] All of us have problems. [1:02:40] His character flaws [1:02:41] are definitely public [1:02:44] for those that can see it. [1:02:45] I will say, though, [1:02:46] that he has a lot of virtues. [1:02:47] Would you say [1:02:47] he has any virtues? [1:02:50] What basis are you saying? [1:02:51] What virtues do you think [1:02:52] he uses? [1:02:52] Courage. [1:02:53] Okay. [1:02:54] Courage, I think. [1:02:55] Like, if you and I got shot, [1:02:56] how would we react? [1:02:57] Well, I don't know. [1:02:59] I think we're straying [1:03:01] a little bit from the question. [1:03:02] No, no, no. [1:03:02] But, no, it's important, though. [1:03:03] So, what moral failures [1:03:05] in particular [1:03:05] do you think [1:03:06] are disqualifying [1:03:07] from a Christian standpoint [1:03:08] for him to serve in office [1:03:10] or gain support [1:03:11] from Christians? [1:03:12] Well, I actually do [1:03:13] have some things pulled up. [1:03:14] And I did read some scripture [1:03:15] in preparation as well. [1:03:17] Would you mind [1:03:17] if I provided some of that? [1:03:19] Sure. [1:03:19] Give me one or two examples. [1:03:21] Yeah. [1:03:21] And as long as you're applying [1:03:22] the standard consistently [1:03:23] to, for example, [1:03:25] King David, Samson, [1:03:27] Daniel, Joseph, [1:03:27] and many figures in the Bible [1:03:29] who are considered [1:03:29] to be virtuous [1:03:30] and righteous [1:03:31] because we're all sinners [1:03:32] and you know that. [1:03:33] Sure. [1:03:33] Yeah, absolutely. [1:03:33] Please give me some examples. [1:03:34] Yeah, well, I'd like to [1:03:36] quote a couple [1:03:37] of pieces of scripture. [1:03:39] First from, [1:03:40] it says, [1:03:40] do nothing out of selfish ambition [1:03:42] or vain conceit [1:03:43] and to value others [1:03:44] above yourself. [1:03:46] But Trump has continuously [1:03:47] put himself [1:03:48] over American citizens. [1:03:50] Yeah, let me ask you [1:03:51] a question on that. [1:03:51] He's gotten poorer [1:03:52] since he ran for office. [1:03:53] He's lost his business empire. [1:03:55] He's been impeached twice, [1:03:57] indicted four times, [1:03:58] facing 700 years [1:03:59] in federal prison. [1:04:00] How is that putting [1:04:01] his own personal ambition first? [1:04:03] He's facing life imprisonment, [1:04:06] his business empire [1:04:06] to be taken away from him. [1:04:08] That's actually putting [1:04:09] the country above himself, [1:04:10] isn't it? [1:04:10] Well, yes. [1:04:12] But what about him [1:04:13] selling golden sneakers, [1:04:15] selling branded Bibles, [1:04:16] which he claims [1:04:17] to be the only one [1:04:18] he endorses, [1:04:19] $100,000 watches? [1:04:21] So, yeah, I mean, [1:04:21] but selling products [1:04:22] to try to pay for legal fees [1:04:24] is probably understandable, right? [1:04:26] How much do you think [1:04:27] he's spending in legal fees [1:04:28] a month? [1:04:29] Isn't that telling [1:04:30] that he's a 34-time [1:04:31] convicted felon, though? [1:04:32] That's interesting. [1:04:33] So do you think [1:04:34] the standard of justice [1:04:35] is equally applied [1:04:36] of Donald Trump [1:04:37] and Hillary Clinton? [1:04:39] Well, no, [1:04:39] but look what you guys [1:04:40] said about Hillary Clinton. [1:04:41] That's very important, though, [1:04:42] because do you think [1:04:43] that Donald Trump [1:04:44] would be experiencing [1:04:45] this kind of criminality [1:04:47] against him [1:04:47] if his name wasn't Trump? [1:04:49] Yes. [1:04:50] Really? [1:04:50] I do. [1:04:51] I do. [1:04:51] So then why is it [1:04:52] that no one's ever [1:04:53] been indicted [1:04:53] for what he got convicted [1:04:54] for ever before [1:04:55] in New York history? [1:04:56] Isn't that a great question? [1:04:58] Yes. [1:04:58] Why hasn't he been indicted? [1:05:00] No, no, no, no, no, no. [1:05:00] Why has no one else [1:05:01] ever been indicted [1:05:02] for what he was indicted for? [1:05:04] They made up a crime [1:05:05] first ever for Donald Trump. [1:05:07] I don't... [1:05:07] So let me ask you, [1:05:08] you ask from a Christian perspective. [1:05:09] We all fall short [1:05:10] of the glory of God. [1:05:11] Correct. [1:05:12] Okay, amen. [1:05:13] And throughout the Bible, [1:05:15] people who are sinners, [1:05:16] such as I mentioned King David, [1:05:17] who did a lot worse things [1:05:18] than Donald Trump, [1:05:19] I'm not sure if you're familiar [1:05:20] with the story of King David, [1:05:21] he literally not only [1:05:22] committed adultery, [1:05:23] he got the person [1:05:24] he committed adultery [1:05:25] with, Bathsheba's husband, [1:05:26] sent him to the front of the line, [1:05:27] got him murdered and killed [1:05:28] so that he continued [1:05:28] to commit adultery. [1:05:30] Yet he was a man [1:05:30] after God's own heart. [1:05:32] We have Samson, [1:05:33] who literally, [1:05:33] when God came upon Samson, [1:05:34] he was in a bed [1:05:36] with prostitutes [1:05:37] and was in the Hall of Faith [1:05:39] in the book of Hebrews. [1:05:40] We are not electing [1:05:41] Donald Trump [1:05:42] as a pastor of this country. [1:05:43] We're electing him [1:05:44] as a president. [1:05:45] And we also see [1:05:46] what he does. [1:05:47] And this is a very [1:05:48] important moral question. [1:05:49] Let's say I grant you [1:05:50] that Donald Trump [1:05:51] embodies some of the sins [1:05:54] that you and I [1:05:54] both don't like. [1:05:57] Is it matter more [1:05:58] of what he's done [1:05:58] in his personal life [1:05:59] or does it matter more, [1:06:01] for example, [1:06:02] when you invade [1:06:02] a sovereign country [1:06:03] like Iraq [1:06:04] and commit war crimes [1:06:05] against millions of people? [1:06:07] Well, I know [1:06:07] Donald Trump has [1:06:09] contrasted multiple [1:06:11] Christian values, [1:06:12] but I don't... [1:06:13] Hold on. [1:06:13] This is important, though. [1:06:14] Have we ever heard [1:06:15] the mainstream media [1:06:16] or yourself come up [1:06:17] and say, [1:06:17] how could a Christian [1:06:18] vote for George W. Bush? [1:06:19] Have you ever heard [1:06:20] that argument? [1:06:21] No, but... [1:06:21] Hold on. [1:06:22] George W. Bush invaded [1:06:23] a sovereign country [1:06:24] under lies and pretenses [1:06:25] and thousands [1:06:26] of American soldiers died [1:06:27] and hundreds of thousands [1:06:28] have PTSD [1:06:29] and millions of people [1:06:30] had their lives displaced. [1:06:32] We never say [1:06:33] that George W. Bush [1:06:33] was a bad Christian. [1:06:34] Yet Donald Trump [1:06:35] was the one [1:06:35] that didn't declare [1:06:36] any new wars. [1:06:36] Blessed are the peacemakers. [1:06:38] Donald Trump [1:06:38] was the one [1:06:39] that fought for the unborn [1:06:40] and got abortion... [1:06:41] Roe versus Wade repealed [1:06:42] and we have abortion laws [1:06:44] across the country [1:06:44] that are pro-life. [1:06:45] The point is that [1:06:45] it's easy to nitpick [1:06:46] at Donald Trump's [1:06:47] personal life, [1:06:48] but what he actually did [1:06:49] to impact the country [1:06:50] was far greater [1:06:51] than other presidents [1:06:52] that called themselves [1:06:52] Christians in years past. [1:06:54] Okay. [1:06:56] It still doesn't quite [1:06:57] make sense [1:06:57] why a Christian [1:06:59] would vote for him, [1:07:00] but I appreciate your input. [1:07:01] I guess I put that [1:07:02] very vaguely. [1:07:03] I don't understand [1:07:04] how Christians are okay [1:07:05] with so much that he does [1:07:06] because he also refuses [1:07:08] to accept responsibility [1:07:09] and take accountability. [1:07:10] Well, because we read [1:07:11] the Bible [1:07:12] and the Bible [1:07:12] is full of people [1:07:13] that have very, [1:07:15] very difficult, [1:07:16] let's just say, [1:07:16] colorful lives [1:07:17] and still are used [1:07:18] for God's purpose. [1:07:19] And by the way, [1:07:20] it's very easy to say, [1:07:21] are you a sinner? [1:07:22] You're not a Christian, [1:07:22] but let's just say, [1:07:23] yeah, we're all sinners. [1:07:25] And so we look [1:07:26] at Donald Trump [1:07:27] and we say, [1:07:27] wow, this is a guy [1:07:28] who's obviously broken. [1:07:29] We're all broken. [1:07:30] And what do you do [1:07:31] with your broken life? [1:07:33] Do you just golf [1:07:33] all the time [1:07:34] and fly around the world [1:07:35] and hope things get better? [1:07:36] Or do you get in the arena [1:07:38] and fight for the country [1:07:39] to the extent [1:07:39] of where you get shot, [1:07:41] you're under assassination [1:07:41] temps over every day [1:07:42] and your business empire [1:07:43] gets taken from you? [1:07:45] That's incredible virtue [1:07:46] that I'm going to teach [1:07:47] my kids about [1:07:47] and say, [1:07:48] even if your back [1:07:50] is against the wall, [1:07:51] you keep on fighting. [1:07:52] I think that's [1:07:52] incredibly virtuous. [1:07:53] Okay. [1:07:53] And I understand [1:07:54] I'm not going to change [1:07:55] your mind on this. [1:07:56] So this is mostly- [1:07:57] You asked for an explanation. [1:07:57] Yeah, no, absolutely. [1:07:58] That's what I'm saying. [1:07:59] So I respect that. [1:08:01] Now, you mentioned children [1:08:03] that you have [1:08:03] and raising them by morals. [1:08:07] I mean, this is somebody [1:08:08] who's running [1:08:08] for the president [1:08:09] of the United States. [1:08:11] As a matter of fact, [1:08:12] traditional Christian, [1:08:14] theologian, [1:08:14] and philosopher, [1:08:15] Albert Schweitzer, [1:08:16] said that example [1:08:17] is not the main thing [1:08:18] in influencing others. [1:08:19] It is the only thing. [1:08:20] Now, the words [1:08:20] of the president matter [1:08:22] and I understand [1:08:22] you're raising two children. [1:08:25] So he has been on track [1:08:28] calling prisoners of wars losers. [1:08:30] He lied to dodge- [1:08:31] He has never said- [1:08:32] That is not correct. [1:08:33] That is a total lie, [1:08:34] but that's fine. [1:08:35] So- [1:08:38] Lied to dodge the military. [1:08:40] That is also not correct, [1:08:41] but fine. [1:08:42] He called citizens vermin. [1:08:44] Well, he called foreigners [1:08:45] in the country [1:08:46] that have broken [1:08:47] into the country vermin. [1:08:48] You know who he called vermin? [1:08:49] He called the Venezuelan gang members [1:08:51] that rape women vermin. [1:08:52] Can we all agree [1:08:53] that they're vermin, everybody? [1:08:54] Yeah. [1:08:54] But that's fine. [1:08:56] Just keep going. [1:08:56] Yeah, I mean- [1:08:57] And his continuous bullying [1:09:00] and name-calling, [1:09:01] I don't think that's a virtue [1:09:02] you'd like to- [1:09:03] No, no, this is important. [1:09:04] I want to say that- [1:09:05] Okay, let's pretend [1:09:05] all that's right. [1:09:06] Let's pretend [1:09:06] that you weren't being fed [1:09:07] misinformation or- [1:09:09] No, but I want to be clear. [1:09:10] What is more virtuous? [1:09:12] The guy that says stuff [1:09:13] he shouldn't say [1:09:14] or the person that sends [1:09:15] $200 billion [1:09:16] on unnecessary war in Ukraine [1:09:18] so a million people die? [1:09:19] You have to choose. [1:09:20] Which one would you rather have? [1:09:21] Someone that talks sloppily [1:09:22] or someone that funds wars [1:09:24] around the world? [1:09:24] Okay, I was in the middle [1:09:26] of my question. [1:09:26] No, no, no, no. [1:09:27] It's important, though. [1:09:27] It's important because [1:09:30] I wanted to hear from you, though, [1:09:32] because you obviously [1:09:33] are not a supporter of Trump [1:09:34] and Trump is constantly [1:09:35] under this attack [1:09:36] that he's immoral [1:09:37] and he's terrible, [1:09:37] yet we never judge [1:09:39] the actions of our leaders [1:09:40] who continue to have wars [1:09:42] around the world [1:09:42] where people die. [1:09:44] Is that immoral to do? [1:09:46] It is immoral, but you're- [1:09:47] I agree. [1:09:48] So then why are we so fixated [1:09:50] on the language of Trump [1:09:51] and not on the actions [1:09:52] of our current leaders? [1:09:53] Well, first of all, [1:09:55] our current leader, Biden, [1:09:56] is not running [1:09:56] for presidency this year. [1:09:57] Well, no, but the vice president [1:09:58] is actually, [1:09:59] and she's also in charge. [1:10:00] She is, but not in charge [1:10:02] the same way Joe Biden [1:10:03] is currently. [1:10:03] Well, Joe Biden's certainly [1:10:04] not in charge, [1:10:05] so who's running the government? [1:10:06] Who is running? [1:10:07] What's your answer to that? [1:10:09] I don't know. [1:10:09] Like, we don't know [1:10:10] who's running the government, [1:10:11] actually, and it's horrifying. [1:10:12] I mean, Kamala Harris [1:10:13] went to the Munich [1:10:14] Security Conference [1:10:14] and provoked Vladimir Putin [1:10:16] to invade Ukraine. [1:10:18] She was in charge [1:10:18] of the border. [1:10:19] She was the border czar. [1:10:20] The point is this, [1:10:21] is that you can look [1:10:22] through Donald Trump's [1:10:23] language. [1:10:24] People say he lies. [1:10:25] He actually exaggerates, [1:10:26] and those are two different things. [1:10:27] But Donald Trump doesn't get [1:10:28] in trouble for his exaggerations. [1:10:30] He gets in trouble [1:10:31] for telling the truth. [1:10:32] And I'll give you an example. [1:10:33] He gets in trouble [1:10:34] for all of a sudden saying, [1:10:35] oh, wow, the border's wide open. [1:10:36] You're not allowed to say that. [1:10:38] You seem super happy. [1:10:40] Have a great day. [1:10:41] Thank you. [1:10:42] Thank you, guys. [1:10:51] No, but I want to try [1:10:52] to find some common ground here [1:10:53] and try to see where you get. [1:10:55] I'm not going to make an excuse [1:10:56] for everything a human being [1:10:58] has done that it's not myself. [1:10:59] But I will say [1:11:00] that his track record of action [1:11:02] has been [1:11:03] very good for the country, [1:11:04] and that is irrefutable. [1:11:05] Well, OK, may I? [1:11:07] In summary, yes, [1:11:08] and then we'll get [1:11:09] to another question. [1:11:09] OK, so what I was going to say [1:11:11] is right now [1:11:13] with Hurricane Helene [1:11:15] and Milton, [1:11:15] he is he is profusely lying [1:11:18] and criticizing the Biden [1:11:19] and Harris administration. [1:11:21] But local officials. [1:11:22] How? [1:11:23] But by saying [1:11:24] he's siphoning money out [1:11:26] for illegal immigrants. [1:11:27] That's totally true. [1:11:28] That's not true. [1:11:28] You guys could hold on a second. [1:11:31] FEMA literally says [1:11:32] in their press release [1:11:33] that they had a fund [1:11:34] dedicated towards [1:11:35] the southern border [1:11:36] being a natural disaster, [1:11:38] and they spent billions [1:11:38] of dollars accommodating [1:11:39] foreigners in this country [1:11:40] with luxury hotels [1:11:42] and interior flights. [1:11:42] You can look at yourself. [1:11:44] FEMA gets money appropriate, [1:11:45] and they decided [1:11:45] to spend that money [1:11:46] on the southern border [1:11:47] and not on hurricane relief [1:11:48] or tornado relief. [1:11:50] It's a fact. [1:11:50] And by the way, [1:11:51] I'm not alone in that. [1:11:52] A lot of senators agree. [1:11:54] You could look it up yourself. [1:11:54] I don't know. [1:11:55] But see, that's not a lie, though. [1:11:57] But you're accusing him [1:11:58] of being a liar [1:11:58] when he's telling the truth. [1:11:59] You just made my point. [1:12:00] No, but you keep interrupting me. [1:12:02] You're not letting me finish [1:12:03] anything I would say. [1:12:03] Because you're not saying. [1:12:05] First of all, [1:12:05] this is not your hour. [1:12:06] This is my hour. [1:12:07] You're asking me questions, right? [1:12:08] Yes, yes. [1:12:09] Secondly, just have... [1:12:10] But does that mean [1:12:10] you get to respect me differently [1:12:12] than the way I respect you? [1:12:12] Well, I know. [1:12:12] I'm totally respecting you. [1:12:13] But if you're saying [1:12:13] something that's not true, [1:12:14] I'm not going to [1:12:15] waste our time on that. [1:12:16] Make one final point, please, [1:12:18] about Donald Trump's character. [1:12:20] Local government officials [1:12:21] have been... [1:12:22] They have commended [1:12:24] the job that Biden and Harris [1:12:26] have done [1:12:26] in giving them the aid they need. [1:12:28] But Trump, in his rallies, [1:12:29] he is making up stories [1:12:31] and he is taking advantage [1:12:32] of people [1:12:33] when they are most vulnerable [1:12:34] for political... [1:12:35] This is not true. [1:12:35] ...for political points. [1:12:37] Why don't you go yourself [1:12:39] to West North Carolina [1:12:40] and tell me if it's going well? [1:12:41] Okay? [1:12:41] Tell me if it's going well [1:12:42] because it's not, actually. [1:12:43] You could talk to [1:12:44] local official after local official. [1:12:46] I don't know where you're [1:12:46] getting your information from. [1:12:47] But please, make one final point [1:12:48] and then we'll get to the next person. [1:12:49] Okay, yeah. [1:12:52] Let me ask you a hypothetical. [1:12:53] You're not a Trump guy, right? [1:12:55] Correct. [1:12:55] But I also know [1:12:56] I'm not changing your mind. [1:12:57] No, but I want to try [1:12:58] to find morally [1:12:59] where you're coming from. [1:13:00] Would you rather have a president [1:13:01] who sleeps around, [1:13:03] exaggerates, [1:13:05] and sells merchandise [1:13:06] for himself, [1:13:07] but we have no World War III [1:13:08] and a good economy... [1:13:08] I think that's an exaggeration. [1:13:10] Hold on. [1:13:10] An under-exaggeration. [1:13:11] Hold on. [1:13:12] One second. [1:13:13] Or would you rather have a president [1:13:14] that speaks crisply [1:13:15] and we have World War III [1:13:17] and a wide-open border [1:13:18] and a terrible economy? [1:13:19] You have to choose. [1:13:20] Which would you have? [1:13:20] Well, I know I don't have time [1:13:22] to answer this, [1:13:22] but I'd actually... [1:13:23] It's an A or B choice. [1:13:24] Well, no, but I'd love [1:13:24] to talk to you about it [1:13:25] because I don't think [1:13:26] the economy would be terrible [1:13:27] under Harrison Walls. [1:13:28] I don't. [1:13:30] How's the economy right now? [1:13:31] Okay, so that's something [1:13:33] I would love to talk to [1:13:33] if I had more time. [1:13:34] No, no, really quick. [1:13:35] Is the economy good [1:13:35] or bad right now? [1:13:36] Okay, so right now, [1:13:37] from 2020 [1:13:38] with global supply chain shortages... [1:13:40] Okay, yeah. [1:13:41] Exactly. [1:13:41] This is the problem [1:13:42] with college [1:13:43] is that they try [1:13:44] to overly complicate the simple. [1:13:45] Is the economy good [1:13:47] or bad right now? [1:13:48] So... [1:13:48] Exactly. [1:13:50] So inflation right now... [1:13:52] It's horrible, actually. [1:13:53] Inflation right now [1:13:54] is 2.4%, [1:13:55] which is right on par [1:13:57] with the other G7 economies. [1:13:58] Guys, can you afford... [1:13:59] Can you afford regular things [1:14:00] that you want to afford? [1:14:01] See, this is what I'm talking about [1:14:02] is that you've got to get out [1:14:03] of the clouds [1:14:04] and listen to real people. [1:14:05] No, but that's... [1:14:05] 80% of Americans [1:14:07] say the economy is horrible. [1:14:08] Why do they say that? [1:14:09] What will... [1:14:09] So, I mean, [1:14:10] this is a nuanced answer. [1:14:12] It would take nuance. [1:14:13] And I want to ask you, [1:14:14] what would Trump do [1:14:15] to fix this economy? [1:14:16] Because his terror... [1:14:17] Exactly what he did [1:14:18] for four years. [1:14:19] Because the economy [1:14:19] was great when Trump [1:14:20] was president. [1:14:21] Yes, in 20s... [1:14:21] Drill, baby, drill, [1:14:22] deregulate, cut taxes, [1:14:24] empower entrepreneurs, [1:14:25] and allow people [1:14:26] to invest in America again. [1:14:28] So... [1:14:28] When Trump was president, [1:14:29] the economy was objectively better. [1:14:31] People remember it as better [1:14:33] because it was better. [1:14:34] The question is this. [1:14:35] Why do people think [1:14:37] the economy is so bad right now? [1:14:38] So, because in 2020, [1:14:41] global supply chain shortages [1:14:43] and after COVID, [1:14:45] demand shot up, [1:14:46] which put upwards pressure [1:14:47] on prices. [1:14:48] It caused inflation. [1:14:49] That's an excuse [1:14:50] to price gouge. [1:14:51] Right now, inflation is down, [1:14:52] but there has not been [1:14:53] a price correction. [1:14:54] Now, Trump's tariff... [1:14:57] Trump's tariff... [1:14:57] Again, you seem like [1:15:00] a nice, sweet person. [1:15:02] You are so deceived. [1:15:03] I got to get to the next question. [1:15:04] Trump's tariff... [1:15:04] Which is this, [1:15:05] which is that, again, [1:15:06] you did not answer the question. [1:15:08] Most Americans think [1:15:08] the economy is crummy. [1:15:10] Most Americans think [1:15:10] it was better under Trump. [1:15:12] I'm going to trust the wisdom [1:15:13] of everyday Americans, [1:15:15] not the proven wrong academics [1:15:17] that refuse to talk [1:15:19] to real everyday people. [1:15:20] So, I'm not going to change [1:15:21] your mind on it. [1:15:21] Thank you for being here today. [1:15:22] No, I appreciate your time. [1:15:23] Thank you. [1:15:23] Thank you for the time. [1:15:24] Thank you. [1:15:24] Thank you.