Ant CEO vs Black Republican Slaver Descendent FULL DEBATE w/@Tahgiturner

[0:01] this debate was independently reviewed after the live stream by a professional researcher [0:04] every substantive checkable factual claim made by each participant was extracted researched and [0:08] scored using a predefined methodology findings are based on primary documents official statistics [0:13] academic reference works and established non-partisan sources opinions and value [0:16] judgments were not fact-checked verdicts appear throughout the debate in real time [0:20] i don't know if you want to start off whichever your disagreement was oh uh mainly my disagreement [0:30] was that that both parties are manipulating us and that baker could remind me if i'm wrong but [0:38] you was basically saying that both parties manipulating us we don't vote and all this [0:43] stuff like no give me give me give me your position what it was again because that's the impression i [0:50] got when i was watching the video okay well i mean that's not what you said in the comments so um i'll [0:58] just bring up what you actually said in the comments uh okay so initially um and i don't [1:04] know if this was in order but initially your first comment was uh bro so let's just i'm gonna read this [1:10] verbatim bro you so freaking slow charlie kirk was not racist that's not how you spell racist [1:21] can you turn me down in the background on the tv you got me playing if you could turn or i don't know [1:25] if you i hear it myself if you could turn me down i don't know if we have something playing in the [1:29] background um no you just on my phone you just on my phone okay okay hopefully it's not going too bad [1:35] but but yeah let's reread it you said bro you so freaking slow charlie kirk was not racist it's not [1:42] how you spell racist um you call me slow and then you said and how you ain't realize that is sad laughing [1:50] emoji and that brother who explained the democrats history didn't tell not to you don't have to if you're [1:59] saying didn't tell not you it's already in the didn't you don't have to say didn't tell not um [2:05] didn't tell not one lie you over here speaking feelings and okay and then the next comment you [2:12] said and bro republicans fought that's not how you spell fought fought is fo you put in a [2:18] hey folks nobody here for grammar school and well it's not about no it's not about grammar school [2:25] better you gotta give me an opportunity you ain't got to cut me off bro i'm i'm bringing you your [2:30] comments this is what you said so you don't have to go against this is you refuting your own point [2:33] if you going against it i'm just reading what you said verbatim because it's not that they work [2:37] grammar the grammar don't yeah but let me but no i think it does matter in a logical debate if you're [2:42] having a conversation with somebody i think grammar does matter grammar matters a lot so i'm gonna i'm gonna [2:47] finish reading reading what you said because again this is was your presentation to my content [2:52] and bro republicans fought again that's not how you spell fought but again you initially called me slow [2:58] to free us and we forgetting that we forgetting that there were way more white people in america [3:06] back then than blacks we would not be free without them making that decision to go to civil war over us [3:13] and then the last comment you said republicans tried to stop these racist laws [3:17] but you not mentioning the kkk was running around killing republicans okay so we got that [3:23] out the way so that was your initial uh you know i guess disagreement to what i said and um [3:28] so do you want to kind of go a little bit more into that or do you want to do you want more [3:33] clarification on my initial point because you when you initially came up you said that [3:36] i said don't vote and i said that both sides are manipulating us never want neither of those [3:42] things came out of my mouth and that's why i think grammar and things you say is important because [3:46] your initial comment had a lot of grammar uh had a lot of uh you know uh it was incorrect in [3:52] his grammar and then you were incorrect when you initially brought up my point because i never said [3:56] people shouldn't vote nor did i say that both sides are manipulating because i never said that [4:02] oh when you spoke about the comments that i mentioned it must have been in response to you [4:07] mentioning charlie kirk is a racist but give me what your point was in the video and what you were [4:12] discussing in the video so i can have a refresher of what i was commenting on okay so so real quick [4:20] just just so we know just so we understand saying saying so we understand it you don't know what my [4:24] initial point was well based on what i responded i'm guessing that you said that charlie kirk was a [4:30] racist and that the republicans weren't representing of us based on my response to the comments but based on [4:38] my memory because it was a while ago i remember you saying that republicans wasn't fuzz and that's [4:44] a big disagreement with me okay so no my point was in that video was to say that the democratic party is [4:54] a piece of can we at least come to common ground on that i'm assuming you're not oh yeah i'm assuming [4:58] you're a republican right so we can both agree that the democratic party is a piece of and i also said in [5:03] the video that the democratic party deserves more scrutiny from black americans specifically because it's the [5:09] part of this we've been connected to and it's been the most racist towards us did you hear that [5:13] that aspect of what in the video because i said that in the video yeah i didn't hear that but [5:17] of course you did but i definitely said that the democratic party should be under more scrutiny [5:22] i said verbatim i think i said the light should be held under the democratic party more than the [5:25] republicans because the democratic parties decide that we've been connected to for so long [5:29] i said that in the video but of course you you don't have no recollection of that and i also said [5:34] that does not take away from the racism and it does not take away from the racist tactics that [5:39] the republican party has put against black americans as well i also said that so that's what i [5:43] i disagree with that okay so go ahead you've got the flow so yeah so we're gonna call republican [5:52] racist we got to go back to where it all started i didn't say the republicans are racist i said the [5:56] republicans has he has used racist racist tactics against black americans okay and i'm gonna address [6:04] that and they also give me give me the examples of the racist tactic tactics that you said that we they've done [6:09] because in my knowledge in my history the republicans have been for black people since the beginning [6:15] they were founded by black people and white people and the white people who helped founded the [6:21] republican party also helped freed slaves particularly in the south they made a whole movie about this [6:27] about the founding of that party so the tactics or whatever that you're saying republicans initiate [6:34] against us well let's get to this point because this is the point that you mentioned you said [6:39] republicans fought to free us can you can you expand on that point when you said republicans fought to [6:44] free us so during the civil war moment there was the north and the south a lot of people got the [6:50] misconception that the south was republicans and north was democrats but it wasn't like that it was [6:55] actually flipped but there were also people in the south who didn't agree with slavery who was going [7:01] around freeing camps freeing slaves and then those free slaves that they were free would also pick up [7:07] guns and arms to fight to fight the racist people who were trying to keep us enslaved and then a lot [7:13] of those people in that movement went on to go found the republican party and a lot of people don't know [7:20] that like so many go ahead go ahead i thought you oh yeah i was gonna say yeah like so many republicans and [7:27] stuff like that especially in the south back then in the early days those republicans were a lot of [7:33] them were white people who fought against the who fought to free slaves and a lot of them were [7:38] recently free slaves who decided to stay in the south and start building up you know the community [7:44] after the civil war but those white republicans and black free slaves who were republicans a lot of them [7:51] got killed massacred and just forgotten to the test of time because the klu-klus clan literally went on [7:59] the whole killing spree killing these people like it got so bad to the point where black people they [8:04] either did not vote or if they voted it was only for democrats and people think the klu-klus clan only [8:11] killed black people they was killing white people too white republicans in particular but you that's that's [8:18] like a little taste of what i was mentioning but you can go go from there okay do you know why the [8:22] civil war was started uh yeah i know a big part of it was why why why was the civil why did the civil [8:32] war start what started the civil war well i know had a good portion to do with abraham lincoln making [8:38] slavery legal and people in the south didn't want to get rid of it no that didn't start the civil war [8:44] before what started the civil war was the fact that the the the south seceded from the north [8:52] the confederacy which created the confederacy they seceded from the north because the south the [8:57] confederacy you uh thought that abraham lincoln was basically going to be they had they had a fear [9:03] that he would abolish slavery so with that being the case they seceded from the states you're not [9:09] letting me finish though they did not that's not why the civil war started but you have to let me [9:15] finish you have to let me finish my point because i'll let you finish your point fully all right so [9:20] the the south seceded from the north or it really wasn't the north it was called the union they were [9:25] all together as one he was united states of america the south seceded from the union and they called [9:30] themselves the confederacy right and with that being the case they and again they saw that they saw [9:36] abraham lincoln as a threat to slavery abraham lincoln did not when he when when the war started [9:41] the war started not because to to end slavery the war started to keep the union intact do you even know [9:48] when the civil war started i forgot the pacific date it started in 1861 1861 is when the civil war started [9:56] now do you know when the do you know when it may ever do you have you know abraham lincoln had slaves [10:00] himself right yeah i know a lot of the past presidents have slaves right okay now do you know that [10:06] how long after the uh the the the when the civil war started how long after did the emancipation [10:13] proclamation come about i'm not gonna lie to you i don't know the exact date you should know though [10:20] since this is the point that you you should know though because this is the point that you mentioned [10:23] in the chat brother you should know this it happened two years later so when you say that [10:27] the civil war started to end slavery no it did not the civil war started to keep the union [10:31] you literally explained what i had said but you just added all the no i didn't i asked you a simple [10:39] question listen to me i asked you a simple question hold on hold on because i want to make sure that we [10:42] say what i said exactly no i did not say i asked you a question what's your name just so we what's your [10:48] name bro dietrich dietrich teachers i asked you very simply what started the civil war and you said [10:56] slavery slavery did not start the civil war teachers the civil war started because of the union if they [11:01] left if they left the union because they didn't want to give up slaves that's essentially what i [11:06] said bro you're just adding a bunch of fluff the reason why why are you raising your voice it's a [11:14] debate bro why is you raising your voice because it's like it's silly but you don't know the reason [11:21] you're saying i don't know the reason but i literally gave the reason you just added all the extra details [11:28] teachers i don't know thank you i think you listening but you're not following what i'm saying [11:31] because you so you just want to respond it's a debate bro so if you're saying it is silly just [11:36] just debate it with facts you don't have to raise your voice at none of that you don't have to turn [11:39] into none of that type of conversation just listen to what i'm saying i'm chilling bro okay just listen [11:43] to what i'm saying though because i'm being open to what you're saying be open to what i'm saying [11:47] i asked you simply what started the civil war you said slavery slavery did not start the civil war [11:53] the civil war was started because the south seceded from the union abraham lincoln you gotta let me finish what [12:00] i'm trying to say though every time i say something you cut me off bro abraham lincoln did not did not [12:06] didn't even care about stopping slavery from the jump he cared about keeping the united states the [12:11] united states that's what he cared about he only made it available to where that the the and you [12:17] do realize even when even when the emancipation proclamation came out that what they didn't abolish [12:22] slavery that just gave certain parts of the south where people were enslaved people were allowed to be [12:27] free and then enlist into the the the union army so that they can fight so really and it was do you [12:32] let me ask you this do you even know when that was like do you even know let me ask you a better [12:36] question do you even know that do you even know let me finish what i'm saying no you cannot because [12:41] let me finish what i'm saying bro so even with that even even all that being the case do you even [12:46] know how many black people even fought in this in in the civil war i don't know the exact number bro but [12:52] that has nothing to do with my point i'm making another point teachers i'm making another point [12:57] i'm making a practice say that the republic keep adding points and points and i can't never talk [13:01] you can talk but every time i try to get to a point bro i'm i'm getting to a point and i'm trying to [13:05] ask you a question based on a point and you just you because you don't like what i'm saying you just [13:09] you just jump in and just refute it and cut me off don't do that because i'm gonna let you i'm gonna [13:12] give you the floor i promise you i'm gonna give you the floor i promise you i'm gonna give you the floor [13:16] you have my word i'm going to give you the floor but you gotta let me get the floor and get my [13:19] perspective brother i'm going to give you the floor teachers respectfully i'm gonna give you [13:23] the floor i'm asking you these questions because i want to see if you following me you said you don't [13:28] know how many black people or black men were involved in the civil war it was almost 200 000 [13:33] black men involved in the civil war when your initial comment says republicans fought to free [13:37] us and i told you that's not true because the union the union army had nothing to do republican or [13:44] democrat it just so happened to be abraham lincoln was a republican president at that time [13:48] the union wasn't a republican army the union was a democratic party it was the army under [13:52] united states of america and abraham lincoln just so happened to be republican president he did not [13:58] he did not uh he did not initiate the emancipation proclamation until two years after the civil war had [14:04] already started so when you say the civil war was started because of slavery no it wasn't and when you [14:09] say freed us only people that freed black americans were black american men fighting in the civil war [14:14] because they were because the emancipation proclamation came about and they were able to [14:18] fight for themselves to get their own freedom so it was the it was an 80 of the people that was in it [14:22] that was in that war that were black men 80 of them came from the south now you have the floor go [14:27] ahead review what i said okay so first off you said that i got it incorrect as to why slavery i mean not [14:34] why why the civil war started but then you went on to explain that essentially the civil war started [14:41] because the south did not want to abolish slavery so they left america because they didn't want to [14:47] give up slavery so it's like i literally said that but you added all the extra fluff to make it seem like [14:53] i was wrong about exactly what you just said you just said the same thing but you just added all the extra [15:01] detail that oh they left because they didn't want to give up slavery so they left the union and abraham [15:08] it started the war to force them back into the union but essentially the whole war started because [15:15] of slavery the south didn't want to get rid of slavery so they said bump this we gonna leave but [15:21] it still proves my point that the civil war started because of slavery so because i didn't add the extra [15:28] fluff that makes me incorrect now the second thing when it comes to 200 000 black republicans those 200 000 [15:37] i mean those were not probably not not republicans but those 200 000 black people fighting in the war [15:43] helped it helped don't get me wrong but you're talking about a country that was over a million [15:48] people back then that 200 000 was dropping the bucket if white people back then decided we're not [15:54] going to go to civil war about this if white people said we're not going to go to war about this [15:59] if abraham lincoln decided to fold and say all right i ain't gonna get rid of slavery so y'all don't [16:05] leave the union if those white people decided to make those decisions those 200 black people wouldn't [16:11] be able to do i'm not disagreeing with you i'm not disagreeing okay so it's like you can't say [16:18] black people are reason black people are free and i'm not trying to like ride the white man nuts or [16:24] nothing but it's like people got to realize white people in this country it's some it's some icky [16:29] motherfuckers who are white in this country don't get them wrong but there's so much opportunity so [16:35] much we would not have even experienced if white people didn't wake up one day and say oh this wrong [16:41] like slavery didn't start with them people but all right now back to the republican now the third point [16:47] that the republicans republicans did fight in the war and the reason why i said it is because a lot of [16:54] white people in the south did not agree with slavery so they went from plantation to plantation [17:00] freeing people who fought in the south it was like militias basically it was like white and black [17:07] militias running around in the south during the civil war when they was fighting they wasn't doing [17:13] that much damage but they was causing nuisance enough to where we were able to get certain wins and [17:18] beat the south and those people in that militia group they went on to find found the republican [17:25] party i forgot the pacific name of the movie in the documentaries i watched on this but anybody watching [17:32] you can literally google the movie you can google the documentaries they've done so many stories on how [17:38] it was white people in the south who went from plantation to plantation freeing black slaves and then those [17:45] slaves joined forces with those men and they ran around the south in a militia type format fighting [17:51] it was just a bunch of random civilians fighting in the south so that men could be equal so and then [17:57] those people went on to be republicans so if i'm not mistaken that's all the points the three points [18:03] we just tackled so you can take it from here yeah so initially when i was speaking i was giving you [18:08] context by the way too i gave you the floor for about i don't know how long let me four or five minutes [18:13] so you can't say i'm cutting you off and i let you speak i gave you the floor when i was initially [18:17] speaking i was giving context context matters so when you come about and you speak and i ask you [18:22] what started the civil war and you just say slavery and you speak from a perspective as if it was just [18:27] these good old white men in the south just wanted to stop the blacks from being oppressed or we're not [18:32] even in the south but just in america just wanted to stop the blacks from being in slavery that's not [18:36] true nuance matters you have to add context to things context matters when you're making a point [18:42] especially in the debates because you may blanket the statements like that you're not adding a caveat [18:46] well then misinformation gets thrown around the civil war didn't just start because the north wanted [18:51] this the savory to stop and the south wanted slavery to continue that's not what happened and again even [18:57] when the south seceded from the north there was no there was no paperwork or there was no the [19:02] emancipation proclamation still had not even come out yet it didn't come out until two years later so [19:06] that's the point that i was trying to make the civil war didn't just start because hey abraham lincoln [19:11] said hey by the way we're going to stop slavery and then your point would make sense if abraham [19:15] lincoln said hey y'all here go the emancipation proclamation it's 1861 and then the south seceded [19:20] from the north that's not what happened the south had already seceded from the north the war started [19:24] do you know even do you do you know where the war started at by the way do you know who shot at who [19:28] first i don't know who shot at who first but i'm gonna take a good guess that the north probably [19:35] through the first shot no wrong prison wrong it was it was at fort sumter the confederacy threw [19:40] the first shot actually no it was the confederacy they threw the first shot at fort sumter that's [19:46] what started the war that's what actually started the wars so i'm not saying that slavery had nothing [19:52] to do with the civil war that's not what i said at all i said slavery did not start the civil war [19:57] bro i'm not finished i gave you the floor for about almost five minutes all i'm doing is telling [20:04] you that i'm giving context to the initial point that slavery the civil war started because the south [20:11] seceded from the north and abraham lincoln's whole entire goal was not just to stop slavery his goal was [20:16] to keep the union intact that is factual it's not an opinion it's not how i feel that's factual now your [20:23] second point because you said because basically you arguing like there were some good white guys [20:29] okay there were maybe some good white guys but basically your point was like well if i'm beating [20:34] your ass if i'm if i got her if i got a girl and i whoop her ass for 10 years we've been together [20:40] and then i stopped whooping her ass for 10 years are you saying that i should get a pat on the back [20:45] for not whooping her ass for 10 years even though i was whooping her ass for the first 10 years [20:50] what and how does that analogy i'm bringing that up because you said if it wasn't for the whites [20:55] then because you you brought up the civil war you brought up because i brought up about almost [20:58] 200 000 black men were in the civil war and they fought for their own freedom because the north [21:02] was you know you do realize that the north was getting their ass kicked right it was getting [21:06] up which is the only reason why abraham lincoln even made the emancipation proclamation because he [21:10] was like all right we get up we need these black people who are slaves we can use them as help [21:15] because we get messed up which also most of those slaves came from the south it was going to mess up the [21:19] labor it was going to mess up the labor in which the south was because obviously black people were [21:23] were the labor it's free labor for the most part so he wanted to disturb that so he cared more again [21:28] to keep the union together than actual slaves but the point that i'm making is uh as far as the wait [21:34] what point was i i lost my point now what point was that because you were saying you were saying [21:38] because the 200 000 black people came in yeah thank you so you made a point and you said well if it [21:46] wasn't for the white people that was a part of that war then black people would have never been free i'm [21:51] not disagreeing with that we weren't the majority in the time at that point so of course that would [21:55] be the case i'm not disagreeing with that there were some white people in that time but the point [21:58] that i'm making is the white people that were fighting in that war were not fighting because [22:03] i just want to just save the blacks i want to preserve the blacks it was a war the report the [22:08] the union the union army bro was not a republican army it wasn't a democrat army the united states [22:15] that was the north that was not an army that was based on a political affiliation it was just an army [22:20] so regardless of what your political belief at that point was you were still going to fight in [22:24] a war because you were part of the army and even when it comes to the confederacy the confederacy [22:28] they weren't just fighting for slavery they also didn't want their they didn't they wanted to be [22:32] their own government in the south in general and they didn't want any they didn't want anything to [22:36] be imposed from the north so when you speaking i'm all i'm doing is adding context to the conversation [22:42] and you're making these blanketed statements to say well the whites freed the slaves the republicans [22:46] freed the slaves but no context matters to the conversation let's go ahead you keep saying i'm [22:52] making blanketing statements i'm not is it not a fact that the war would have never happened if [22:58] abraham lincoln wasn't trying to get like is that not a fact if slavery was never on abraham [23:04] lincoln's mind and abolishing it would the war have start have started if slavery had never been [23:10] something that abraham lincoln was talking about getting rid of would that war have started and that [23:16] is if he never said that the war would have never started because the south would have never even [23:21] had a reason to separate to initiate the war so i mean i can add all the extra context you want but [23:28] it's still simply and i can put it in one sentence the war would have never started if abraham lincoln [23:35] wasn't trying to get rid of slavery he wasn't trying to get rid of slavery though he was trying to get the [23:40] union together that's what i just told you keep saying it you keep saying that but why was the [23:45] union falling apart because he was trying to get rid of slavery but again the the emancipation [23:51] proclamation did not come out until two years after the civil war once again that didn't come out to [23:57] two years after the civil war but the only reason that even came out in the civil war happened because [24:04] in point one we over here this is where abraham lincoln i'm following you he's talking about getting [24:11] rid of slavery no it's because they were losing the north was losing so he needed more help i'm i'm [24:18] getting to the point where abraham lincoln gets into office he gets in the office so one the people in [24:24] the south mad because abraham lincoln won the election two somebody just won the election who's [24:31] talking about getting rid of slavery three they decide in the south that oh we're going to leave [24:38] because we don't like abraham lincoln he ain't my president and he ain't going to get rid of my slaves [24:43] so now they need okay let's do this let's do this because you did so it's like what's where's the [24:49] confusion brother it's not a confusion it's not a confusion all i'm doing is having context and you [24:54] don't want to add the context i'm telling you that the the emancipation proclamation didn't come out [24:58] until after the civil war had already started that's what it came out so [25:02] the start of the civil war was not just because slavery it was because the south seceded from the [25:08] north and abraham lincoln abraham lincoln's main goal was to keep the union why did they succeed from [25:14] the north you keep missing that i'm not missing that i'm not missing that i'm not missing that at all [25:20] and the only thing that ever the only thing that that slavery was not the only thing that was that [25:25] they weren't with it was abraham lincoln in general his whole policies it wasn't just slavery [25:29] the point that i'm making to you is okay then the point that i'm making to you is [25:34] i'm not saying that what you're saying is is is fully wrong i'm adding context to say that the [25:39] emas already told you multiple times the emancipation proclamation did not come out until two years later [25:44] that's what i'm telling you so sure that was slavery was a huge portion of it and what that [25:50] being and i'm not disagreeing with that i never said that that was wrong what i'm telling you is you said [25:54] blanking statements you said you're making blanking statements you're making i'm looking at the [25:58] common old thing you said republicans fought to free us that's not true the republicans did fight [26:04] the freeze because like i told you there were malicious in the south name the republican army [26:09] name name the republican army they didn't they didn't whoa i forgot the name of the pacific name they [26:16] they went by individual don't imagine individual militias you said the republicans i'm not i'm not a broad [26:21] statement brothers that's a broad statement you're asking me to to remember all these militias no no [26:27] no i'm not i'm not asking you to do that listen to what i'm saying okay i'm not asking you to do that [26:32] i'm asking you i didn't ask you to name every single republican faction that came or some [26:36] militia group that's not what i'm asking you you said in your comment republicans fought to free us [26:40] when you say republicans you're speaking in a vague way and you when you're using the republicans [26:45] fought to free us you're talking about the civil war so when you're speaking about the civil war [26:49] and you're saying republicans well the only civil war that happened where was the army was the union [26:54] versus the confederacy that was the war so hold on let me i'm gonna give you the floor so you [27:00] mentioning little individual factions that may have happened in the south i'm not negating that [27:05] i'm not negating that but that doesn't mean republicans fought to free us that just means that [27:11] there were factions in the south there were some abolitionists or whoever who had a different [27:14] mentality i'm agreeing with that but when you say republicans fought to free us that's a blanketed [27:19] statement without adding a caveat that there are so many of the new ones that you need to add on [27:24] the civil war happened and the civil war was not about republicans versus democrats it wasn't the [27:28] democrats were trying to keep slavery republicans weren't and they went to war that's not what [27:31] happened the army was not a republican or a democratic war it was an army and didn't matter what [27:36] your political affiliation was that's what i'm telling you okay i never said that the north was [27:41] republican in the south were democrats okay now that's what i'm saying like but i feel like [27:46] that's what we going towards i don't want you to think that nobody think that but i got you good [27:51] okay so when i say republicans fought to free us in the war that is a true statement and because [27:57] and i'll explain why because those groups those militias and all those random groups in the south [28:02] that i mentioned they went on to found the republican party they were the literal founders let's go with [28:10] that let's go with that let's go with that did the democrats fight the freest too no so there were no [28:16] democrats in that in that army at all on in that war there were no democrats the democrat party to [28:24] my knowledge like that didn't come around until the republican party came around because like you [28:29] said before they went by the confederacy but yeah democrats yeah but of course yeah but we don't [28:35] understand that the names and but we understand that the ideology was kind of the same to the point [28:39] that i'm making well the democrat ideology back then did not support free slaves like democratic [28:46] ideology back then was for the rich and the powerful and to oppress people like okay but the [28:53] point that i'm making is everybody in that war on either side wasn't a republican or democrat [28:58] it didn't matter what your political affiliation was you mentioning individual little militias that [29:04] we don't i guess you can name some of the republican i'm sure we can probably look some up [29:08] what i'm saying is regardless of political affiliation people were in that war because [29:13] they had to be and everybody's full motive was i'm the i'm the i'm the loving white guy who wants [29:18] to save the blacks that wasn't the mentality of the people back then this was in the late 1800s my [29:23] guy i never said that i did white people back then were the loving white guy who has to save the [29:29] blacks they just wanted to have free men like was that every white person's mentality that fought to [29:34] free us no but the majority the majority of the people back then didn't give a about making black [29:41] people feel free and together they gave them they're keeping themselves together and if it meant that [29:46] all right well these blacks got to be here too with him because i want to get my benefit at the end [29:51] you can't say that though because if that was the case if they were saying that they wouldn't have [29:55] voted abraham lincoln in and they wouldn't have fought a war for abraham lincoln they would have just [30:02] they would have just ignored them like abraham lincoln was one man he was a voter he was a [30:07] motivational man but he was one dude abraham lincoln was one dude if whites back then really [30:13] didn't give two about us they would not have fought and died into in their war to the extent [30:17] that they did and then when you go to the white man in the south i'm not speaking on all by the way [30:22] i ain't speaking all okay but yeah when you go to the white man in the south you really can't say that [30:28] the majority back then didn't give a because those white men in the south really had to be on their [30:33] toes because they literally in their home turf going around freeing slaves and fighting along [30:40] some of them slaves okay let me ask you this how many white men that were were doing these [30:46] were abolitionists and that was just freeing all these blacks how many of those existed compared to [30:51] the ones who weren't doing that who weren't doing that like let me ask you this if if it was a gun to [30:58] the back of your head and you had to somebody told you were there more whites who were trying to free [31:03] slaves due to their own moral more high ground that they just want to save the blacks from from slavery [31:09] and they want to be abolitionists or were there more whites who really didn't give a or were just [31:13] pure racist like which one i think was more there there was more uh back then so so you guys the [31:20] abolitionists who didn't give in pure races no no i'm playing i'm no i'm putting the last two in the [31:25] same thing because not everybody was just a pure pure pure hold on let me i got you not everybody [31:31] was just a pure i hate black some people just really didn't give a damn but my mom at least [31:35] under my the way that i would think if i see somebody over here getting done dirty and i'm [31:39] just sitting there watching and i'll just keep on walking i'm not as bad as the person that's getting [31:43] that's doing the the the the but i'm an accessory to it because especially if i have an ability to stop it [31:49] so what i'm saying i'm asking you is which one do you think there was more of white abolitionists who [31:54] cared about the advancement of black americans or do you think there were more whites who really just [31:58] didn't give a or was just pure races and wanted the superiority of whiteness like which one do you [32:02] think happened more of whether it was the north or the south just across america in general but we [32:06] could do something okay overall across america there were more who gave a about us and who were [32:12] abolitionists okay so can you make that news out of how many millions of people back then out of how many [32:18] millions of people just want to put this on record out of how many millions of people i think he froze [32:24] you can hear me oh no you it's frozen all right we can hear you now but you have one oh okay bro yeah [32:35] i'm not gonna say the exact number but the reason why i can say it's a majority is because let's get [32:40] it let's get a number though but once again bro you asking me for a number no i'm saying i'm gonna look [32:45] it up on my no no listen listen you you jump into a conclusion and i'm not saying let's look up the [32:49] population from that time because this is a real simple question let's look at the population so what's [32:53] this would have been what 18 what 1865 1860 yeah okay so let's do let's do 1860. so let's do the [33:03] population of usa in 1860. let's just do 1860. okay it says the total population in the united states was [33:12] 31 million people 31 400 but let's just say 31 million people now let's see how many of those 31 [33:19] million people were white okay so it says about 26 million really almost 27 million 26 million and [33:30] again i'm i'm it's just i'm just looking at google i ain't finessing it or none this is google just so [33:34] y'all know uh it says 26 million of those people was 85.6 of the country's total population were white [33:42] so if it's 26 million you cut it in half it's 13 million so you think there were at least 13 million [33:47] whites who really really cared about the profession of blacks and wanted to be abolitionists to save black [33:52] people as a collector uh yeah i believe that well we could just agree to disagree on that that's your [33:58] perspective i mean that's how you want to think that's how you think let me ask you this if that [34:02] wasn't the case why are we here having this conversation now because we'll still be picking [34:07] cotton if that wasn't the case we would still be picking cotton me and you if that wasn't the case [34:13] because we wouldn't have won no they would have killed me i would have no they would have killed me i [34:17] would have i would have been uh i would have took some hair they would have killed me but well let me [34:22] say that's another thing so you said we are you you almost i would hope that you you a black american [34:27] yeah i'm black i'm black black mississippi born mississippi raised like i'm black i grew up in the [34:33] family too yeah i grew up in the south okay for sure so you said ask your question again how many [34:41] women would be picking slaves if it wasn't for we would be picking cotton if it wasn't for i guess the [34:44] white yeah yeah the fact that the fact where i know it's a majority because if it wasn't a majority we [34:50] wouldn't be here having this conversation we would be picking cotton no i think it's i would disagree [34:55] i think it's because black people civilized civilized this country black people said no [35:01] we deserve to get treated like everybody else that's why you had all those revolutions that's [35:05] why you see examples of this you see examples of the civil rights movement you see examples of black [35:10] americans fighting against depression over the whole entire timeline of the american history [35:15] that's why because not just because you just had whites that woke up one day and said we want to [35:19] be good to the blacks you have black people our history our ancestors hopefully your ancestors too [35:25] who stood up for themselves and they said no and the reason why i would know that is because and [35:29] this is why i saw i would know that if you look at almost every single country who has been [35:33] colonized almost every single country that's been colonized look at the state of the people that [35:38] are there black america we are we are hear me out black america is the wealthiest most intelligent [35:46] most prosperous most influential black people on earth melody people aren't i really don't consider [35:51] them people black but for the sake of conversation we are the wealthiest most influential most proper [35:56] prosperous people on us and you know what else we also have them we also have the most revolutionary [36:01] history compared to any other group that you want to name melanated people we just do so i'm making a [36:06] point to say a lot of those places even like with the haitians you think the haitian revolution you [36:11] think they the whites just woke up and they said we're going to be good to the blacks to the haitians [36:15] today no the haitians said call it you think the ethiopians when the when the italians came over to [36:20] the ethiopia you think the italians were just like oh you guys are okay have a good day no the [36:24] ethiopians said all that so the reason why people are able to prosper and where they at the reason why [36:29] things change is because of revolution that's always been the case from day one it's revolution of [36:36] course you're going to have people that are not not going to be the same i'm never one of these [36:39] people to say all white people are right i don't believe that i don't think all i don't hate white [36:43] people i don't think all white people are racist i'm specifically speaking on the ones who are very [36:48] much so like that the outwardly ones the racist was and then you have the white democrat types the [36:53] ones that are quiet the ones that don't want to say too much the ones that want to i don't like you [36:58] but i'm just not going to say anything but i'm still going to go along with the situation that's [37:00] happening right now that's the majority you said that even now in america today especially back then [37:06] this was the 1860s this was the 1860s the majority of whites today aren't like that and i'm not i'm [37:13] going to take off i don't know not like that not like that from the 1860s but i'm i'm talking about [37:18] i'm talking about what you described after the 1860s like the the silent ones the majority of white [37:23] democrats are that way i said white democrats the majority of white dogs okay okay okay i agree with [37:28] you on that you don't think wait hold on you don't think the majority of white republicans are like that [37:30] though no okay yeah not the majority we got a couple yeah a couple old heads in there maybe but [37:42] still i wouldn't say the majority of the white republicans that we have are like that but i'm [37:46] gonna i'm gonna go through all the points i'm gonna go through the first point that you said that black [37:50] people are the reason america is today and that we we civilized america you can't you can't say that [37:57] when you look at the predominantly black countries across the world and their poverty is is just [38:04] through the roof the crime is through the roof not only that if if black people are the reason that [38:10] america is so civilized why isn't africa and all those countries on that continent just wakanda but [38:18] they're not well hold on but wakanda's not i know wakanda's not really not a real place [38:23] i don't know i'm just i'm exaggerating my number two my point my point wasn't that i'm not african [38:29] i'm a black american and i would hope that you would consider yourself a black america i don't [38:32] know if you consider yourself an african-american my point of bringing up haiti my point of bringing [38:35] up ethiopia was to say that the reason why change happens is because of revolution the reason why a lot [38:41] of those other countries that you may mention are in poverty that are in ruin those people live in [38:44] shanty towns they walk around barefoot is because they don't revolutionize what they do is they flee [38:49] their countries and go to the uk they go to canada they come to america they flee their countries [38:53] and the top 10 of most of those countries the top 10 of that population of most of those countries [38:57] the intelligent ones the ones who have intellectual property the ones who are skilled labor intelligence [39:01] whatever it may be they leave and go to these other countries now the reason why is because a [39:05] lot of these countries that they go to are some of the same countries that exploited these same exact [39:10] very countries that's the reason why deals these european countries that colonize those places [39:15] make those places exports and not imports you know what i mean they don't do that with a lot of [39:19] other countries like asian countries and things like that but again i only use that example as far [39:24] as the reason why change happens but i'm agreeing with you the reason why a lot of african countries [39:29] and caribbean countries is up because the the top 10 fleet and the ones that's there don't really give [39:35] a great change so i'm not disagreeing with that it's not that it's not necessarily the top 10 flees [39:42] a lot of them they want to stay in that country but you have to realize [39:46] like even even with slavery slavery only started in america because we our descendants sold their [39:54] brothers and sisters in chains to the white man that's true like part of part of that is true yeah [39:59] yeah and then that's what people gotta realize like i'm not trying to on our people especially [40:04] in people on the african continents the 10 would stay there but a lot of those countries are ruled by [40:11] crazy ass people who either say get down or lay down i agree with you i agree like okay that's good [40:17] so it's like the that we do in america the trump protest that ain't flying in africa so it's like [40:23] people can't revolt so i agree with your point on that that the people in africa need to revolt but they [40:29] won't and i don't know why they just ain't got their spirit in them but that's why i disagree when you [40:36] say that black people civilized america i was disagreeing with that point specifically because [40:43] i mean black people didn't civilize america we played a good portion in his history we played [40:48] an important part in it but civilization in america didn't just come from black people no no when you [40:54] say civilization i'm not talking about the start of the civilized or civilized i mean operating in a [41:00] civil manner of at least some type of moral compass so for example yeah right you being black i i [41:06] shouldn't just be able to just lynch you just because you're black you being black you should [41:10] get due process so for example the 13th the 14th and 15th the 15th amendment are prime examples of [41:16] that now like you you do know like those were things that black americans were begging for for [41:21] centuries and finally got i did i understand that lynching lynchings ain't something that was just [41:26] targeted towards black people no no i didn't say that it was you're saying that argument i didn't [41:30] say that argument i'm saying majority were majority talking about black people but you're right you had [41:34] the kkk that was lynching other republicans i agree and i'm not just screaming not only that we got [41:39] to go to the uk for example like the french revolution they lynched and beheaded all the monarchs [41:46] that's just what crazy people did back then this is the difference though this is the difference though [41:51] the difference was you just you just proved my point too you said monarchs the difference is when it [41:56] comes to america the reason why like the reason why people talk about american chattel slavery so [41:59] much and how it's different from like people like to say well other places had slavery too [42:03] because our this stuff here over in america was really essential and specific because it was based [42:08] on your biology from birth right you had a lot of people that were prisoners of war people who who were [42:14] who were you know they they committed crimes or whatever it may be that's what got them into slavery [42:18] when you say monarch you're talking about people that are in charge so maybe it would have been a [42:21] revolution that you're speaking on you know i'm saying it would have been people fighting back against [42:24] what evolution whatever it may be but in america the reason why it was so different is because it was [42:28] from birth not only is you going to be a slave your great great great great grandchildren are also going [42:34] to be slaves too not because they did anything wrong simply because they're breathing and they exist and [42:38] they look different that was the difference between america and a lot of these other countries [42:43] that's the big difference right there i i understand that point you're making but slavery operated the same [42:50] way in a lot of those other countries america's america wasn't the first people to say i mean bro you [42:56] talking about half the countries in africa had slaves asia china china bro not arguing that they had [43:04] slaves hold on hold on we don't have slaves and i never said that i said that american shadow slavery [43:09] is different because it was from birth it was your birthright because you look this way or you this type [43:14] not because of prisoner of war or not because you did something i made it a crime let me give you [43:19] an example like china asia all the other countries in africa they had this same particular type of [43:26] slavery like if your phone was a slave they don't mean you walk off because you a slave in africa [43:34] or a slave in china or a name can you name can you name it because i'm not making that claim can you [43:39] name it name name the country no educate educate me on the countries or the the slavery that they had [43:45] over there educate me the way that i operate name the countries the name how it operate i mean i just [43:50] named china for one and then i just made it wait who were the chinese enslaved i'm not saying they're [43:59] all people so you do realize that's the difference right if the chinese were slay enslaving other chinese [44:04] but the europeans left from europe took slaves that were in africa or the or people that were not [44:10] slaves but people they enslaved people that were from africa and then came to america and also made [44:14] the native american slaves too you realize that's different right that's my point the reason why [44:18] the reason why you ain't connecting to the point that i'm about to make is because here's the thing [44:23] if africans had slow sold slaves no you said we're talking about we're talking about china you're talking [44:28] about asia well i meant to say china but if africans had yeah if africans had sold slaves to china i doubt [44:36] china would have just turned down what you're saying you doubt is not that's that's an assumption that's [44:40] not facts that's an assumption i don't think that it would be that way that's not an argument can i [44:45] can i make my whole point now now back to what i'm saying you saying american slavery is just different [44:51] and i guess worse because we're born into it but bro that just because you're on a different continent [44:58] especially back then slavery wasn't discriminatory or different based on where you were at in the world [45:04] if you was a slave and you had a child and you were still a slave your child was a slave now too [45:10] okay can you now you're asking for this because i don't know educate me because i don't know can you [45:15] explain these different places once again i just said a lot of the countries in africa the mass majority [45:22] i can't name every single list i'm asking for one give me the country and give me the layout on how it [45:29] operated what were these people what was their their civilization or empire i'm actually explaining [45:35] well if i had to give you one i would say nigeria but that's just one okay i don't know the exact [45:43] operations but what i do know is that they would literally go from tribe to tribe village from village [45:50] and if their men were stronger than your men and killed your man in the village the women and children [45:55] would now be slaves if those women gave birth to little boys they would be slaves so wait so wait [46:01] so you're saying that there was so you're saying that there was tribalism going on correct [46:05] and once those tribals won over the weaker tribe they would enslave them okay okay so can you fact [46:13] check it can you give me it give me the tribe name me how it operated because i've never heard that [46:17] before i've never heard that so you've never heard of tribes in africa enslaving other tribes [46:26] dollars that's a good assumption and stole him out lol one second i was written a donation i'm asking [46:34] you to explain it for me you said that the slavery that would happen in america was the same slavery [46:39] that happened in other countries as well because it was your birthright i'm asking you to give you said [46:44] nigeria so explain how that operated like i said if you had a stronger tribe and if you wanted to conquer [46:53] you can go to another tribe that's different from birthright that's that's a completely different [46:59] not let me fully explain but once they captured those people those children of those captured people [47:06] would be born into slavery give me an example just because just because they didn't go by the slaves [47:13] like how the white people did this doesn't make it any different embarrassing once they acquired the [47:18] slaves through force the children of those people wouldn't do it would in return be slaves as well [47:24] give me a list those slaves you mean i just gave i just gave you not giving me an example would you [47:29] give her asking you're asking for a specific incident in history yes bro you make an argument [47:35] dietrich if i tell you that black people were lynched and you and then and then you say well give me [47:39] an example i can give you an example of something to happen in time not just well this happened like this [47:44] and i'm asking for an example bro all i'm asking for is an example of a point you're comparing a black [47:50] person being lynched in america no i'm not no no that had nothing to do with this stop stop you're not [47:56] understanding what i'm saying that had nothing to do with this because you didn't let me finish what [47:59] i was literally about to say because you're actually you're misinterpreting what i'm saying you're [48:03] misinterpreting so i don't want you to go into a point you're missing because you're [48:06] misinterpreting what i'm saying i didn't finish so you didn't understand you don't need to bring up [48:11] that i heard the first part of it that's a misinterpret that's a misrepresentation you [48:15] heard the first part but you didn't okay explain it and watch me say the same exact go ahead explain [48:20] okay you're over here bringing up the fact of if i ask you about a lynch i need you to bring up lynching [48:26] examples i i wouldn't even ask you that because i went to school and i read a book like of course [48:33] black people got lynched so i would not ask you to give me a pacific example of black people [48:41] okay i didn't go to school and i didn't learn about this i'm a dummy that don't know anything [48:45] give me an example about slavery and that nigerians what do you even know when nigeria became a [48:52] became a country oh my god see now we're going to that bro do you even know when nigeria became a [48:58] country oh no you mentioned nigeria do you know when nigeria became a country once again no but [49:03] what does that have to do with the point that i'm discussing it has something to do at the point [49:07] because you brought up you said nigeria you said nigeria and you don't have any information and facts [49:12] on nigeria you said that hey slavery in nigeria operated like this it was from your birthright okay [49:17] example of how it operated from the birthright well it happened like this give me an example well [49:22] this is just what i heard this is what just what i heard what i know give an example once again bro [49:29] i've literally given you examples you're asking for a specific footnote in history and what i am [49:35] trying to get you to see is that bro you can litter just like how you googled earlier you can literally [49:41] google dead tribes in africa africa the continent did everyone i'm the one who brought up the point [49:48] about population you're the one who brought up the point about nigeria so maybe you can google it [49:52] i brought up the point of africa i brought up the point of africa country you said nigeria because [49:59] there's one pacific country right so it's specific not pacific pacific is the ocean pacific is the [50:05] areas not specific but to that point you said nigeria and then i said okay and then you said well [50:11] tribes taking over other tribes so i'm asking you to again i'm i'm i'm not educated on this topic i don't [50:17] know anything all i'm asking you is to give me an example of the point that you gave [50:22] maybe a civilization an empire a tribe that took over another tribe and made that tribe [50:27] have to go through slavery through your birthright that's all i'm asking you to do is substantiate [50:31] your claim that's it so you want me to google name of a pacific tribe that enslaved other tribes and [50:38] just had them enslaved that you want me to google from your birthright from your birthright yes that's [50:42] what i want you i don't know that google it i mean you should know it since you brought it up but i'm [50:45] asking you to do that i i i know it because i brought it up i do know it but you're asking [50:51] because i don't know you're asking no i'm saying what you're asking you're asking me to know the [50:56] pacific name the date the time ain't nobody trying to learn all that if i know that i can just look [51:01] at this information that i'm being presented whatever information what information was that [51:06] presented feature documentaries countless hours of youtube videos books tv shows news channels [51:15] this is documented history this is literally documented history that anybody at home can google [51:21] anybody at home can google this you just show the information i will youtube it right now show the [51:25] information show the youtube show the documentary show it since so much information i will look it up [51:29] on my phone right now okay let me let me go let me go let me go to it wait okay this is a youtube [52:10] source right here and then i'll go on to a google source uh the name of the channel is a day in [52:16] history expo exposing africa's part in the slave trade and it's a 20 20 minute long video that will [52:23] go into a vast amount of detail on how we played a part in it and how we were enslaving each other and how [52:30] a lot of people were born into slavery in africa part of the new born part did not just start in america [52:37] i didn't say okay i i i i i said that it was unique to america because [52:42] the greeks the greeks the people who built the greeks the greeks the people who built the greeks the [52:46] greeks the people who built the all those statues of zeus and in medusa okay okay we got you [52:52] and then you're talking about you're talking about the egyptians all those people who died who built the [52:57] egyptian pyramids like the born in the slavery part did not start in america i didn't say okay i i i i [53:04] said that it was unique to america because it was from people on a whole nother side of the world [53:09] and they were enslaved through their birthright for for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of years [53:13] so but i want to get because i'm gonna i'm gonna read a couple of the people in the chat somebody said [53:18] he doesn't know how tribe war works the men are unalive the women and children become a part of the [53:22] new tribe that's literally what i said you're not did i not say that no that's not what you said [53:28] you said so i say earlier they would kill the man and that the woman and children will be kept alive [53:34] let me finish you said that it was the argument was about birthright i was explaining that american [53:40] child of slavery was completely different because it was through your birthright no matter what [53:45] so and did i not say i didn't say that well that's not what if whether you said that or not we're [54:02] arguing birthright but if the slave if if the mother of those captured women give birth to children and [54:09] those children are forced to be slaves or warriors that's birthright no is it not it wouldn't be no [54:17] because they're telling her that this child is our property and then this child will be a slave [54:22] will you ask me a question you asked me a question i'm trying to answer and you you i mean do you want [54:26] to clarify our question if you want to clarify your question go ahead i ain't trying to cut you off but [54:30] you asked me a question and you you can clarify i'm gonna clarify so is it not birthright if people in [54:37] africa are going around to a village they kill the men kidnap the women and children rape the women have [54:44] children with the women and those children are either forced to be slaves or be warriors or they [54:51] die is that not birthright so yeah so the difference is you you're arguing something that was like a war [54:58] or like a tribe taking over the tribe when it comes to war rather than people who are so that's good [55:02] because initially the initial conversation you stated when we first started talking well now we first [55:06] are talking but the point of the conversation you mentioned that africans sold other africans who [55:10] are likely prisoners of war likely people who were who committed crimes or what have you and that's [55:17] why they were going through what they were going through they sold it was the case brother i didn't [55:21] say it was always the case you cut me off i didn't say it was always the case but for the most part for [55:27] those people who were sold during during when the europeans came to west africa a lot of those were the [55:33] have-nots the people who those africans really didn't care about can we agree today it's not like it was [55:38] people in the upper echelon it was the bottom of the rest was the poor it was the people who were [55:41] enslaved or whatever it may be because i mean we can agree to that there's documentation on that [55:47] i mean yeah there's documentation on that but i wouldn't say that they just got rid of the poor [55:52] people in their countries back then they would kidnap people too a lot of the people they would [55:56] they would sometimes kidnap people and hold ghost ransoms where you give us this money i'm not [56:03] arguing that bro i'm arguing when the europeans stepped foot on the way on west africa west african the ones [56:08] that they sold for the most part the ones who they sold weren't the weren't the people who they [56:12] really gave about it would have been people who were prisoners of war or other people who might have [56:16] been slaves in that time okay i could agree that but sure that point the pacific point that you're [56:24] making saying that i have another point that i'm getting to by the way i was just getting you so i [56:29] wanted you to follow me but i was that wasn't the ending of my point okay so saying that those people [56:34] saying that africa didn't give a about those people i i wouldn't agree to that because a lot of those [56:39] people were enslaved against their will because they tried or their force had the smaller sword [56:45] and some of them people couldn't defend themselves so when you remember how i told you that africa and [56:50] a lot of those countries over there run on dictatorships those dictatorships those those gangs those [56:56] those those like it's straight straight makes right over there in africa like you got it yeah that's [57:03] anywhere but but it was predominant in africa especially during that time and if you wasn't strong [57:08] enough to defend yourself you could just be a random joe who got a family at home and somebody [57:13] could kidnap you and sell you into slavery yeah we're not right we're not so it's it's not [57:20] but you said it was people mostly who we just didn't give a about that wasn't the case [57:25] a lot of these people willing to sell them don't you it wouldn't it wouldn't be enough to where that [57:28] you would want to keep them in your tribe or keep them in your land you didn't give a no they [57:32] to the europeans they was worried about money though sure they were worth money sure we can [57:38] argue that they were worth money they weren't worth enough they were worth money or whatever [57:42] goods or services they were able to bring to the west africans at the time sure money human life is [57:49] never worth a dollar a month i think we both can agree with that yeah we can agree with that but they [57:54] didn't right okay then but we're not we're not tribal people operating in caba cannibalism from [58:01] 400 years ago we're in 2026 so we of course not so the point that i'm arguing was those people didn't [58:06] give us enough to keep them around and keep them on the land so they were willing to give them to the [58:10] europeans the europeans with native americans and the africans that got over there they all mixed in [58:15] and created a new ethnic group whatever what it may be but that's where slavery that's that that that [58:20] was how americans chattel slavery started and it was unique in its own right because when you mentioned [58:24] tribes and going against other tribes and stuff in africa that was simply that it was i'm i'm a [58:30] tribe i'm taking over your tribe and we we gonna take over this land or whatever you have that's [58:35] completely different than the millions and millions and millions of people that was all over not even [58:40] in america that was all over the west where those people were brought from africa and brought over [58:45] there and they were enslaved that is a completely different thing and again it was birthright [58:50] for 400 years 400 years of that so the examples that you want to give about in africa it's not the [58:58] same thing it's not the same thing at all it's completely different it didn't like it wasn't [59:02] a 400 year thing and it damn sure wasn't no thing where it was race-based you you just told me you just [59:09] said that slavery wasn't a 400 year thing in africa bro you're right no it wasn't narrative to america [59:17] slavery been going on for thousands of years bro i'm talking about comparative to the america okay [59:22] but that's where you're missing me bro you really think that america was the first people the people [59:28] in the west you think america were the first people to give to start to start the birth slavery thing [59:35] bro so many people across history same scale that it happened in america bro america was one small [59:42] country compared to the world the whole world had slaves at some point i didn't say that the whole [59:47] world didn't have slaves i didn't say that's where you guess but that's where you're missing the point [59:51] brother if the whole world has slaves at some point you don't think that a much vast majority of those [59:57] slaves were born into slavery like i said earlier and i actually approved africa i don't think that [1:00:03] there are days of those slaves were born in slavery no i don't i think the vast majority of those slaves [1:00:09] i'm gonna go through all the hit i think the vast majority of the what happened to those children [1:00:15] what happened to those children they would have been brought into a new they would have been brought [1:00:18] into a new tribe or they could have been killed but when they got brought into that new tribe then that's [1:00:24] not slavery no more they're getting in charge of a new warrior that's not slavery bro if they most of [1:00:30] those if you were born to a slave a slave woman you telling me that oh you just gonna earn a rank in [1:00:37] the trap no you're a slave's kid you're you do it everybody over here and tell you or we kill you so [1:00:42] you're a slave too but i'm gonna go through all the examples of history you got the greeks they had we [1:00:48] don't i don't i don't we don't we don't need that because i'm not disagreeing with that you can [1:00:51] maim other places where they had where they have slaves disagreeing with that and that means that [1:00:56] i'm not arguing all i'm asking first of all initially what i asked you to do is prove it in [1:01:00] a youtube documentary what that didn't come from an actual scholar or actually studies and things [1:01:04] like that that's not an argument i can make a youtube documentary i can make a youtube documentary [1:01:09] and say that a thousand years ago everybody had one source that's not a source that's a youtube [1:01:14] video that's not a youtube video it's not a source one source one source video was not a source [1:01:19] that's not a source once again one source youtube internet history countless books that was one i [1:01:30] said i was gonna give you one i said i was gonna give you one source but back to my point that i'm [1:01:35] making bro you can't say that america was the first people to initiate the born into slavery when we can [1:01:43] look at greek history we can look at egyptian history we can look at african history we can look at chinese [1:01:49] history all these forms of history had people born into slavery now when you first get the slave [1:01:59] so so are you saying that people in greek times egyptian times chinese times all across history [1:02:06] none of them were born into slaves that they had no slaves they were born into slavery slavery was the [1:02:12] only thing they knew the vikings bro bro like we can go through all that history from the greeks [1:02:23] doing that to their own or doing people that's a part of their same ethnic group the egyptians didn't [1:02:29] just have slaves from their there's their same ethnic group the greeks didn't just have slaves from the [1:02:34] same ethnic group so like the mongols so then the mongols you know who the mongols are that will prove [1:02:40] my point then that will prove my point that it was completely different how many white people were [1:02:45] slaves in america and don't mention the district in gentry service please don't nobody's finna mention [1:02:50] it how many white people were slaves in america there were no white slaves okay then so it's different [1:02:55] thank you for proving my point it's different how does that prove your point because you just said [1:03:00] you just said you just said that there were different the white people in power question [1:03:05] and i'm giving you an answer you just said that the greeks and whoever whatever ethnic group or [1:03:10] country you want to use that those people had slavery and they may have had other slaves from [1:03:14] other people or other other tribes or other countries or other ethnic groups correct just yes [1:03:18] or no i don't need it yes or no you're not giving the detail of what i said i just gave the detail of [1:03:23] what i said you just said that that what i said i i just you just said that other groups of people [1:03:30] had slavery too and they would have slavery not only within their own but they would have [1:03:33] slavery from other ethnic groups correct okay yeah that's correct that's literally what i just said [1:03:40] so hold on one second at brandon v9n70 super shattered two dollars american slavery was based [1:03:48] on skin color american slavery was based on skin color brandon with the two dollar donation [1:03:52] appreciate it uh so i don't know if you want to respond to that american slavery was based on [1:03:58] skin color which i mentioned earlier by the way yeah that was a part of american slavery but that [1:04:05] wasn't just the name that was that that does that adds on to the uniqueness of it i mean it may add [1:04:12] on to the uniqueness of it but if you but it's either it does or don't i'm saying you you're [1:04:18] talking about that's like that's like a drop in the bucket like if you was you was black he was [1:04:22] black it didn't necessarily if you was a light-skinned black you was still a slave if you was it didn't [1:04:27] matter what what type of color you were you were gonna be a slave if you was black like like there [1:04:33] were some free blacks back then who actually had slaves but that's besides the point but his point [1:04:39] about saying slavery was based on color like no it was just based on whether it was based on race [1:04:45] if you were black and didn't have your papers you can be made a slave like so so like the color part how [1:04:52] would you know somebody was black because black is a color how would you know somebody was black i mean [1:04:56] you would look at their skin to see if they were black but then it would be based on so it would [1:05:01] be best on color when he said color i'm thinking uh he talking about light skin dark skin i'm like [1:05:06] well that don't make sense but no he said american slavery was based on color and the reason why people [1:05:11] were were enslaved that wouldn't have been mixed lighter skin they were considered mulatto but they were [1:05:16] still slaves because you still have that in you from a perspective still had the black in you and you can [1:05:22] see yeah that's what that's different that's why i said race and and but the color you can see the [1:05:26] difference of hair and color even somebody that's biracial it's not the same skin color as a white [1:05:29] person i understand it that's why i said race it didn't matter race race would be race a lot of [1:05:36] times back then it would have been based on color too i mean i understand that but that's all they was [1:05:42] just saying that you i mean you disagree with it i don't know why you're giving an argument what's the [1:05:47] disagreement oh i mean well i guess yeah i guess there's no disagreement but based based on back to the [1:05:52] point back to the point of what i was saying earlier bro you cannot say that during history that the [1:05:59] greeks the egyptians the you talking about the vikings you talking about the mongols the mongols was [1:06:07] they conquered the entire continent you talking about the chinamen and you talking about african [1:06:13] they conquered the entire continent the greeks they will go to egypt and all across the the [1:06:43] the eastern world to conquer so a lot of the times they will have white slaves brown slaves [1:06:49] brown melanated slaves making this point to say what no i'm making this point to say that america [1:06:55] was not the first group to go have birth slaves of another ethnicity or people like they were not the [1:07:03] first and i'm saying i'm saying that it was unique because people were brought from a whole different [1:07:08] land for absolutely no reason they were brought from a whole different land brought to america and they [1:07:13] had to endorse slavery that was set for hundreds of years and that's after you turn a super shattered [1:07:19] one dollar and 99. wait a minute wait a minute wait a minute it's a comment to actually both of us [1:07:25] hold on one second okay at char super shattered five dollars both of you are wrong there were white [1:07:33] slaves in america if we look at the difference in how they were treated we can end this whole debate [1:07:38] easily well the white slaves in america were called indentured servants that's the difference and they [1:07:43] weren't white they weren't slaves based on them being white that's the difference but a comment [1:07:48] said i'm gonna read this comment to you if you want to respond to it both of you are wrong there were [1:07:51] white slaves in america if we look at the difference in how they were treated we can end this debate [1:07:55] whole debate easily if you want to respond to that i can read it again if you if i said it too fast [1:08:00] i mean i don't know what he talking about to my knowledge there might not to my knowledge i don't [1:08:06] remember there being any white slaves i mean i guess you i guess you can include debt slaves maybe exactly [1:08:12] like somebody yeah i guess you can include them but that's probably like the only yeah they wasn't [1:08:17] slaves because they were just white you're white i'm gonna make you a slave people were indentured [1:08:21] service and that's the point that i'm making when you were bringing up the african tribes people were [1:08:24] that were when it were their own people their own people it was based in because they had debt or [1:08:30] because they committed a crime or because there's prisoners of war that didn't happen over here in [1:08:35] america it was simply because you and actor jeterna super chatted four dollars and 99 cents america was [1:08:43] the only place in history to have racial slavery meaning if you were black and not white you were [1:08:48] a slave period america was the only place taji five dollars american was the only place in history to [1:08:54] have racial slavery meaning if you were black and not white you were a slave period and that's the point [1:08:59] that i've been trying to make that's what makes america unique and i mentioned this earlier already [1:09:04] i can agree with that pacific point but i cannot agree that american slavery is unique because [1:09:11] there were so many examples of slavery across history that had the exact same result in exact [1:09:17] same outcomes and exact same procedures when the greeks would go come what people brought from a [1:09:22] continent to another continent and it was based on race maybe not to continent to continent but you have [1:09:28] to include the fact that people weren't traveling by consonants in abundance because [1:09:33] selling on ships wasn't just something that was going on my point even more did you that will [1:09:38] prove my point even more how unique let me finish like you can't you can't compare like the modern [1:09:45] american when he first started like that slavery to the ancient history slavery because [1:09:50] if you asked the greeks back then that hey we're gonna give you a boat where you can transport [1:09:57] y'all slaves to china you don't think they would have took that deal they would have done it they just [1:10:01] didn't have the the tech they didn't have the tech but again that's not an argument but they [1:10:05] prove on my point but let me finish they did still transport people on the continent of the european [1:10:12] continent african continent and over there near russia like and was there was still it wasn't based on [1:10:20] race but they did what are we not not not right let me let me let me correct myself let me ask you [1:10:27] is race and countrymen the same thing because they did have slaves based on pacific countries and based on [1:10:35] pacific regions so they were discriminatory towards people like let's say equals unique the spartans in [1:10:40] the athens i got you hold on hurry up your point bro hurry up go ahead finish oh yeah let's say let's [1:10:47] say the spartans in the athens if the athens get enslaved by the spartans and all those afton children [1:10:54] are also enslaved by the spartans you might not you might not can make the argument that it's racist but [1:10:59] it's discriminatory because oh we're just doing this to the athens here like so it was still discriminatory [1:11:06] like just because the discriminatory factor wasn't race doesn't make it unique because they're still [1:11:12] discriminating and that's why i bring up the african countries and all that because they [1:11:17] weren't just they weren't just killing tribes and villages because oh this tribe owed me money or this [1:11:22] tribe committed a crime sometimes there were just evil men and the evil men back then outweigh the good [1:11:29] men back then and that's the thing that's why i said might makes right okay back then the evil people [1:11:36] and even today they just have more power all right we got so so and somebody said the reason [1:11:42] why i'm letting him go on is because everybody always say all i do is over talk everybody all [1:11:47] i do is control the conversation i never get people with opportunity to speak even though [1:11:52] usually the people that come on my live they always say that i give an opportunity to speak but [1:11:55] for whatever reason they say that all i do is talk over everybody and i don't give people the [1:11:59] opportunity to speak and i let him speak earlier for about five minutes uninterrupted but [1:12:03] that's why i'm i'm giving him the floor more often than i usually do so all the people saying [1:12:07] get them off get them off get them off i'm giving him the floor because half of everybody just say [1:12:12] all i do is speak over everybody so i'm doing what y'all want me to do y'all tell me to give [1:12:16] people the floor and stop cutting people off and letting people talk and get a perspective so that's [1:12:19] what i'm doing uh somebody said and this is from the same person that made the point what's wrong [1:12:25] with him how can he agree with my point that america was the only one and then say that it's not [1:12:29] unique only equals only equals unique goofy yeah i mean the the whole point that i was [1:12:36] does he not know what a synonym is like if this group is in prison in one group because [1:12:43] they happen to be athens but and then this group is imprisoning them because they happen to be black [1:12:50] i mean they're both imprisoning people based on one factor a a huge factor which they cannot control [1:12:57] you can't you can't control the fact that you were born in athens you can't control the fact that you [1:13:01] were born black but you had people and people throughout history who literally that simple [1:13:07] factor would determine if you was a slave super shattered one that's where he's missing me because [1:13:12] bring me up i agree with his specific point that a huge factor in american slavery was the race factor [1:13:19] but that's not the only thing that people use in slavery to discriminate ones being discriminated [1:13:25] because they were born to athens like spartans imprisoned athens and made them slaves and if [1:13:31] you were afton born to athen you would be a slave that's still a discriminatory factor that that person [1:13:37] could not control that they're being discriminated against and enslaved for just like that black [1:13:42] person so that's why i say even if it lasted 400 years you can't say that that was unique because [1:13:51] throughout the course of history it might not have been pacifically raised but there were people [1:14:08] who were made slaves just solely for what they look like i ain't gonna lie i'm not following you just [1:14:13] going on and on uh i put the link in the chat for you taji if you want to come in directly but [1:14:17] i i i i i draw it i don't know how you can uh understand this point i just don't really get it [1:14:23] it's not even about like republican democrats not about like the union and black america now it's [1:14:29] just like we we simply arguing like a simple understanding of the difference between this [1:14:34] and it's like you still arguing against i don't know how you still like so i'm i'm lost at this [1:14:37] point on anything that you're saying um so we kind of are you lost though i'm gonna let i'm gonna let [1:14:43] this man because he brought it up i'll let him speak for himself because i'm i'm completely i don't [1:14:47] know where the you going with it i don't know i forgot what you even said uh taj you got the [1:14:54] floor if you want to speak because yeah can you hear me i'm good that's all good damn what you [1:14:58] underwater we can't yeah mike is okay let me get it right let me get it right give me one second [1:15:05] i just i don't know i feel a lot of understanding bro i just i don't know man so let me simplify it so [1:15:20] can you understand the fact real quick i'm gonna give you the flow thaiji you can you you there [1:15:25] i don't know there we go there we go you got the floor i'm gonna left i'm gonna let did you give [1:15:29] his point okay so i'm gonna simplify now this is me saying i'm a simplified they mean it says [1:15:34] insulting y'all tell us that ain't what i'm doing i'm a simplified to this just like how you said that [1:15:40] it was unique to america like the race part was unique to america well my point is that even though [1:15:48] the race part was unique to america and that it lasted 400 years there were still very similar [1:15:55] discriminated actions taken out on other people who were enslaved across history whether it be [1:16:02] this person was more attractive or more ugly whether it be this person was born to athens instead of [1:16:08] sparta whether this person was born rich or poor there were for thousands of years people were enslaved [1:16:16] based on discriminatory factors that they could not control that they were born into [1:16:21] so the slavery history of america is not unique in my opinion at all because across the world and [1:16:27] across history everyone did the exact same thing the only thing that makes american slavery different [1:16:35] is that white people didn't waste time going to go conquer anybody they just went to the shop and [1:16:42] brought a slave that's the only difference not only that other examples in history had shops where you [1:16:48] can literally just go buy a slave and not have to go conquer nobody because somebody conquered them for [1:16:53] you and you would just go to the trade market and go buy a slave like it was candy america just did [1:16:59] it on a bigger scale but literally that's like the only thing you can say that makes it slightly unique [1:17:07] but that's it like that's it man daily wire whooping your ass ain't they first of all um how can you say [1:17:16] that america had a unique aspect to its slavery and then say that american chattel slavery is in no way [1:17:25] different than any other slavery if my essence is what i am right like the things about me that are [1:17:31] unique to me right and nobody else has them how is my essence the same as everybody else's essence you [1:17:37] you keep mentioning the greeks the mongols the these people the those people the key feature the [1:17:46] essential feature of american chattel slavery is the racialized aspect meaning you are a you don't get [1:17:56] the same rights as me the same freedoms as me the constitution don't apply to you the same way the [1:18:00] laws don't the laws don't have any any application to you until the 13 14 15 then we have a different [1:18:09] conversation mention that too okay that was never the case for any of the other nations that you named [1:18:15] now let's just unpack what that means if it's never the case for any other nation that we name [1:18:21] that their legal documents and constitutions are set up in a way that it's your skin color [1:18:26] that prohibits you from participating in full social membership if it's never ever ever any other [1:18:34] place in the history of the world that that's like that it's only one place then that is uniqueness [1:18:41] brother so you can talk about the difference you can talk about the difference and the similarity [1:18:47] but the thing that separates everybody from americans american chattel slavery specifically is the [1:18:54] racialized aspect this is this is scholarly work done by white people white people will tell you this [1:18:58] hannah arent separated race thinking from racism and one of her examples if i'm understanding of you [1:19:05] right one of her examples was like okay what racism is is the institution of policies to enforce racial [1:19:13] thinking no other nation had that until america she explained that there were nations all around the [1:19:21] world that had racial thinking the french for instance and she even said that that racial thinking [1:19:27] where you say something bad or nasty about another race was actually uh in this conception white people [1:19:33] doing it against other white people it was about class but then what happened was people during that [1:19:40] period of time had to like the classical liberals had to find a way to justify what they were doing [1:19:46] when they thought that everybody was supposed to be made equal under god and all of these things they had [1:19:51] to come up with a way to dehumanize people black people and they used arbitrary points like skin color [1:19:59] to do so that is unique to american history and any scholar will tell you that it's not disputable brother [1:20:07] so this idea that you can say talk out of both sides of your mouth and i'll land here this idea that you [1:20:11] can talk out of both sides of your mouth on one hand saying yeah america's the only place that like [1:20:17] racialized slavery but there's nothing unique about it on the other hand it's just a a straight-up [1:20:24] contradiction that can't be reconciled you have a dilemma that you really need to go back and work [1:20:28] with and let that con go bro because being a black conservative is different from being a black [1:20:33] republican bro and i understand i understand where you're coming from because i've never been a democrat [1:20:38] but at the same time bro you got to be careful with how people tell you about your history [1:20:42] and that's all i want to say okay now i'm gonna address this point so nobody's talking out both [1:20:48] sides the reason why i said that the only thing that you can point like this is what y'all pointed [1:20:54] out y'all said american slavery was unique because you had born interstate slavery you said american [1:21:01] slavery was unique because it was based on race you said american slavery was unique because we was [1:21:07] picking up people from a different continent and bringing them over here you said american slave was [1:21:12] unique because it lasted 400 years and my point was none of these make it unique in the grand scheme [1:21:21] of slavery's history when this is the examples i gave you had spartans athens i can use this tribe [1:21:29] or that tribe where if a woman gave birth to a child in that tribe who was conquered that child will now be [1:21:36] a slave as well and that child if it was a boy he had the choice to be a slave or a warrior if it [1:21:43] was a girl she had the choice to be a slave or another baby maker that's one question can i ask [1:21:49] you a question let me let me finish with everything i'm saying then you can ask me a question and then [1:21:54] the other point you say 400 years 400 years is a drop in the bucket compared to how long slavery has [1:22:01] gone on that's something we've been doing since damn near our caveman days and then the other point [1:22:08] where you say the race factor i compare race to in the athens example of where oh the spartans conquered [1:22:16] the athens but in any any person who's afton or in the like any of these people any of these people [1:22:23] just because they're a citizen of athens is now a slave because we've conquered this city that's the [1:22:29] discriminatory factor that that person cannot control they can't control which city they were born in [1:22:34] and they can't control that their city was now just conquered and now they've been now they've [1:22:40] been born into a conquered people people could not control that back then i can go even further back [1:22:46] when you go back to the egyptian days when you had all them people building those pyramids and they [1:22:52] was getting whipped building those big old pyramids that we see today those people were born into slavery [1:22:58] they didn't have a choice they were discriminated against a lot of those people were jews not all but a [1:23:03] good portion of them were jews we can use the example of you dirty jew i'm finna throw you in [1:23:09] the oven and cook you alive now the reason why i'm bringing up these examples is y'all focusing on [1:23:16] the race factor y'all focusing on the 400 year factor that race factor is a synonym for what i gave the [1:23:23] examples of of people being enslaved for factors that they could not control you cannot control that you [1:23:30] were born in a weaker tribe you cannot control that you were born in a city that got conquered by the [1:23:35] bigger sword you can't control those things and you're talking about the education aspect of what [1:23:42] the white people did in education the reason why white people did the educational aspect of making [1:23:48] people okay with slavery is because they didn't want to waste time picking up a sword and killing [1:23:53] everybody until they submitted that's the difference between white people slavery and all the other [1:23:59] slavery across the world for the most part white people just didn't bother they they they they they [1:24:06] did they didn't go through the long route they didn't go the long route of going to go conquer [1:24:10] people and then go kidnap these people and bring them back they just went to the shop they just went [1:24:15] to the shop and that's that's not all i want to say i was lost i was lost and even came up i'm already [1:24:22] just i'm out of i'm lost i just want to hammer down this point that you made right you gave an example [1:24:32] i can't remember exactly which nation you were talking about but you gave an example where someone [1:24:37] could choose whether or not they wanted to be a slave or in in the alternative that they could they [1:24:43] know as an alternative you said that they could be a warrior so they could be a warrior or they could be a [1:24:49] slave so here's another distinguishing factor this is distinguishable from american chattel slavery [1:24:55] black people did not have a choice well some nuance to that they could have died they could have bought [1:25:02] their freedom after being a slave for a very long time or they could have been a slave which is like [1:25:07] they could have died or been a slave because of course in order to buy your freedom you have to like [1:25:12] be a slave first and work so even then in those rare cases where black americans will bother [1:25:17] buy their freedom back it's not like a like a like necessarily an option for every slave [1:25:23] because as we know from like um uh what what cases that i'm thinking about it doesn't even matter i'm [1:25:29] not gonna get in the the semantics of everything but um but yeah the point the point that i'm trying to [1:25:36] get you to understand bro is that we didn't have a choice you were born black you were a slave [1:25:44] period point blank in other nations not not necessarily you were my adversary not based [1:25:50] on skin color but based on war you were a prisoner of war or you were or you owe money or you owe money [1:25:57] not every single black person so tell me bro listen can you tell me a nation who said they look like [1:26:03] this we're going to enslave them tell me another nation that had that well now this is where you get [1:26:08] this is where you get your point wrong because one not every black person in america back then that was [1:26:13] born was born into slavery i had straight i'm gonna cut you off because you like to pontificate [1:26:18] about some that don't got nothing to do with what i'm talking about so first of all i never my [1:26:23] claim my claim never my plane my claim never hinged on black people all being slaves we all know that [1:26:32] not all black people were slaves i just said that black people could buy back their freedom so no i'm not [1:26:37] talking about that black people could buy back their freedom then that necessarily means that not all [1:26:40] black people were slaves so not even that i want you to answer i want you to answer i want you to [1:26:46] answer my question directly i'm asking you a direct question name me another nation since america let's [1:26:52] let's be clear why we're asking this question so you don't wiggle your way out of this name it since [1:26:57] american chattel slavery was not unique in any sense i want you to name me the other nation that looked at [1:27:04] people by by their skin color alone by racial science alone and said y'all don't look like us [1:27:11] y'all y'all gonna be enslaved y'all look like that we don't like the way y'all look we're gonna [1:27:15] enslave y'all name me another nation that did that i will answer your question but are you gonna ignore [1:27:21] the fact that there were black people in america who owned slaves back then a lot of white people were [1:27:26] buying yes but that is constant they were buying back a lot of people were buying no no i said i [1:27:32] was going to ignore the fact that a lot of black people had slaves back then like the first legal [1:27:38] point the first legal slave owner in america was a black man okay you're not i want you to and i [1:27:43] want you to get back on taji's point i'm saying are y'all going to ignore that i'm trying to respond [1:27:48] and you keep cutting me off dude come on man you've been doing that the entire time and this is one of [1:27:53] the times where people can't say i've been giving you the flow i'll never let nobody talk this long [1:27:57] because you'll be babbling but you gotta stop because taji gave you the full floor bro i initially [1:28:04] gave you the full floor you came up just just hold on bro a lot of people like to run with that narrative [1:28:09] that all of these like all these they have black slavers a lot of those people who you claim as black [1:28:15] slavers on paper were buying back their own family members yep so don't you do that a lot we've been [1:28:21] doing this at the start of this conversation where you don't like to add context the republicans [1:28:24] freed the slaves that's not true without adding content making no i'm not making an assumption [1:28:31] i'm going off of what you said because you speak because you don't even fully going into detail [1:28:36] i responded to you what are you talking about you gave the you what do you mean bro i've been [1:28:41] letting you speak this entire time what are you talking about i've been giving you the floor the [1:28:45] entire live dude what are you talking about you spoke who's been speaking more than time [1:28:49] more than the conversation mirio who spoke more i've spoken okay so be quiet you got the floor go [1:28:55] ahead all right so yeah so i just wanted to say um another point too just how you know somebody know [1:29:00] black history or not or at least black black culture black media um there was a there was a figure called [1:29:06] chicken george who who who was into fashion etc the main thing he wanted out of life was to buy his [1:29:14] freedom and buy his by his own freedom and buy his family's freedom back so this misnomer that black [1:29:20] people were just willy-nilly buying uh slaves to to hold them into slavery and captivity is just [1:29:26] nonsense so uh this this is this is very concerning and this is this is very concerning and this is a [1:29:33] it's not your fault you know i want to give you some grace and say it's not your fault listen i'm [1:29:36] gonna give you two examples of how you're wrong like you're not you're not really add nothing [1:29:41] fruitful to the conversation you just repeat yourself not letting you talk the issue the [1:29:45] the issue with with with with you is that you consume a lot of con ink bro i could tell [1:29:52] because it's like honey get we get we get matt walsh ben shapiro [1:29:58] candace old three books that were made before these people were born so tell me so tell me so tell me what [1:30:05] books are you reading that will tell you that that that scholarly that will tell you that american [1:30:11] chattel slavery was not unique to america tell me because this is a thing this is a think tank talking [1:30:18] point i'm trying to tell you for a fact and i understand it but i'm going to give you two examples [1:30:22] that debunks y'all whole argument all right give me one give me two examples first legal slave owner [1:30:27] was a black man two okay bro that's one two i had slave owners in my family in my family history [1:30:39] in my family history my family history i i was surprised by this myself literally had black [1:30:46] family members in my family tree when i went to my family reunion who was showing that my family at [1:30:53] some point i asked you for a book brother i asked you for a book you see how because [1:30:57] i'm serious wait wait wait i'm gonna show you y'all y'all was skipping over the point that i made [1:31:01] i'm gonna show you how serious i take this i i really banged my ancestors bro this is just [1:31:06] a quick turnaround right a quick turnaround from without sanctuary where they put my ancestors on [1:31:11] postcards was the first legal slave owner a black man yes and watch my and and watch my ancestors [1:31:17] was the first legal slave on the black woman hanging look we not we not we not we not jacking that [1:31:22] so first legal slave on america black listen listen listen brother listen brother you're getting me [1:31:28] out my body because you don't listen i'm trying to help you look you can be conservative without [1:31:35] i'm not going i'm not going to answer the question because it's irrelevant what i'm trying to explain to [1:31:39] you is that your world view bro is constructed by think tanks but if american slavery you need to slow [1:31:45] down bro bro i don't believe that america is inherently racist i don't believe any of those [1:31:52] things but i'm telling you that you but that you have that that you have this your bro and your efforts [1:31:57] to be anti-racist you being anti-black okay and the reason why i say that is because the reason why i [1:32:02] say that is because your arguments are rooted in um colorblindness cut no colorblindness you're trying [1:32:10] to equalize the playing field when you don't need to do that dr thomas soul right one of the greatest [1:32:15] um um um black conservative thinkers right a conflict of visions what we can learn from dr thomas soul is [1:32:21] that the question is not whether racism happened the question is to what effect it had on black americans [1:32:29] today and also it's it's it's it's like just because we can't do everything don't mean we can't [1:32:34] we we shouldn't do anything but we should make sure that our facts are correct when we're trying [1:32:39] to make decisions for others and more importantly he talked about what equity looks like and what [1:32:44] fairness and justice looks like when you have a constrained vision what i mean is that what where we [1:32:50] are is that like okay if two people run a race and they run at the same and and and all the conditions [1:32:56] of the race is the same they like there was no cheats there was no extra going on they both were [1:33:02] and the same person won 50 times every time they won that's not discrimination that's not a disparity [1:33:08] that person could just be physically gifted they might have trained hard or whatever but when you [1:33:13] cut a person's leg off and expect them to run at the same speed this is dr thomas soul by the way not [1:33:17] me but if you cut the person's leg off and expect them to run at the same speed then that's when [1:33:22] it becomes problematic that's when fairness is in question and so in this country we went through [1:33:27] we went through american title slavery which was specifically designed based on skin color we went [1:33:34] through jim crow after the fact actually no we went through sharecropping after the fact then we went [1:33:38] through jim crow after the fact then we went through the world the uh um the war on poverty then we the [1:33:44] uh the green deal and all of that when we first started voting uh democrat then we went through um [1:33:49] the war on poverty the civil rights movement all of this that set us back years and years and years [1:33:54] the war on drugs etc we went through all of these different things and you're gonna sit here and tell [1:33:59] me that we haven't experienced any structural violence just because you're because you vote [1:34:03] republican you don't need to vote republican to to understand that you don't need to vote democrat to [1:34:08] understand that this is basic human dignity and rights we deserve the same human dignity and rights [1:34:14] as anybody else in the in the main the last thing i want to say about this is when you take away our [1:34:19] victimhood when you downplay it like oh everybody had slaves it wasn't unique to black people etc etc [1:34:24] you actually dehumanize black people because everybody in the world has been victimized or been [1:34:30] victim to something the the tragedy is that man was born a child that's the truth so to tell me that i'm [1:34:38] less of a victim in my slavery what what happened to to my ancestors is the same as what happened to the [1:34:43] greeks the same was what happened to the french no that's not true france for nine and black skin [1:34:49] white mass will literally tell you that that what happened to the black americans and the way we fought [1:34:53] ourselves out not white people handed us nothing the way we fought ourselves out makes us as a people [1:34:59] group distinct from the french he literally said that so when you sit here and say that oh republicans [1:35:04] just freed the slaves it's like no no because if that's the case then why is it that every scholar [1:35:11] that that really talks about black issues from an objective point of view at least as objective [1:35:16] as they can be given the circumstance especially if they're black make a distinction that black [1:35:21] americans fought for our freedom whereas in the case of the french for example they were handed their [1:35:26] freedom and that's why they have an arrested development and they need to actually go back [1:35:30] to the struggle to the death but we struggled enough this is france for nine so when we come [1:35:34] to when we talk about sources and books and literature you can't hit me with no talking point [1:35:38] that candace always said that ben shapiro said that matt walsh said because they don't talk to [1:35:42] scholars they talk to children and that's just yelling right now you sound like you gave out those [1:35:47] names real quick i want to do a quick fact check i want to do a quick i want to do a quick fact check [1:35:53] because shout out to my oh geez uh i want to do a quick fact check real quick because you said that [1:35:58] anthony joshua was the first lame over in america was he black i guess that's that's not true first first [1:36:03] legal he wasn't he wasn't he wasn't he wasn't there were he came over that's what i have if you [1:36:11] would give me opportunity to respond to you that's not true slavery was already happening in america [1:36:16] before he got over here when he got over here he was a slave owner but it was completely different [1:36:22] from when or i'm sorry the start of it he was not the first slave owner slave on slave was or slavery [1:36:28] was already going on in america before he got here i never said it was it was i said he was the first [1:36:34] slave owner you just said he was the first slave owner legal there's no there's no paperwork on that [1:36:41] there's no paper yes it is i can quote it to you right now he was the first slave he wasn't he wasn't [1:36:49] i'm rip bro anybody watching can literally google this right now he literally said it bro the thing that [1:36:55] i got sent and what i looked up it says there is no document at first slave owner in america because [1:37:00] most of the slave owner were privateers so there was no thing to say that you could or could not do [1:37:05] it was private owners privateers and there was hundreds and hundreds and thousands of slaves that [1:37:10] was already out all of all within america there was no documentation on it so there would be no way [1:37:14] to quantify what was the first one that's impossible to do i said the first legal one legal but [1:37:20] there was no way but again there again it was there was there was no basis on it to begin with he [1:37:26] wasn't the first slave owner it just he just wasn't i never said he was man i said when you [1:37:31] initially when you initially started speaking you never even said legal we can rewind it back you [1:37:35] said who was the first slave owner black that's what you said if somebody is recognizes the first [1:37:43] legal owner of something that means on paper you saying records and all that on court documents on [1:37:49] paper that's like saying the first person to murder somebody was this person because he got [1:37:53] convicted for it like murder ain't been going on for thousands a year who was the first person to [1:37:57] admit like that's not a point bro that's not an argument because you know that's not an argument [1:38:02] i am listening to the argument you're trying to make a legal documentation but it wasn't even true [1:38:08] it wasn't even true so so you're saying right now it is not true that that man was not the first [1:38:15] legal slave owner in america someone sent me some some sources and i went and looked it up myself and [1:38:20] it it seems accurate and you didn't say legal at first you didn't say legal at first you said he was [1:38:24] a who was you you asked both of us was he if i didn't say legal that's my fault if i didn't say [1:38:30] legal i will own it but he was the first legal slave owner in america he was a black man so that's [1:38:36] not what i see can you show us so can you show us your sources as you brought it up hi i'll show you [1:38:43] what i'm looking at on my phone i mean you could just oh you should be able to brother man do you [1:38:47] understand how we classify let me just i want to read this real quick tajian and you got it uh from what i see [1:38:54] again from what i see uh it says no one knows for certain and i've looked this up somebody sent me [1:39:00] something i looked it up myself i looked it up on google and chat gpt it says no one knows for [1:39:04] certain there is no document first legal slave owner people often confuse this with anthony josh [1:39:08] anthony johnson but the historical record does not support calling him the first legal slave on what we [1:39:13] do know is in 1619 africans arrived in virginia but virginia has not enacted a comprehensive legal [1:39:18] slave code establishing hereditary child of slavery during the 1600s colonial courts and legislators [1:39:24] gradually transformed african servitude into racial hereditary slavery throughout a series of court [1:39:28] decisions and statues and i have it here it says um here actually i think i can share it hold on let [1:39:34] me see i'm gonna try to share it shout out to the person who sent me this too because i i mean i [1:39:39] again i if i'm ignorant to something i don't mind i'm ignorant to something and i wanted to and they [1:39:42] sent me that and i'm like yeah that dude sound kind of weird and i looked it up and yeah that's not [1:39:46] that's not factual i mean i'm looking at it right now on paper bro like i'm on my phone and i can [1:39:52] literally read it in the english speaking north america here we go i gotta pull it up it say right [1:39:57] here did you know that a black man anthony johnson won a court case in northampton county uh county [1:40:04] court in 1655 to keep his slave john caser and the ruler became the first legal sanction of american [1:40:11] slavery so this is context okay first of all caser claimed that he was an indentured servant and not [1:40:16] purchased as a slave as johnson claimed first of all first of all first of all so context matters [1:40:23] all right he said he laughing like he was something that's what i said that's not what you said bro [1:40:29] and by the way too i don't want to make this a 2v1 yeah i want to make this a 2v1 it's not i'm not [1:40:34] trying to do that it's not a 2v1 but i'm just i'm just bringing facts behind what you said and when [1:40:40] he just read off and what i what i what i see he was not the first legal slave owner bro he just was [1:40:44] not he was the first person he was the he would he was the first person to go to court to try to keep [1:40:48] a slave that's not the same as and and then the person yeah yeah it's not the same as being the [1:40:53] first legal slave owner owner bro like what is you talking about so context matters so again this is [1:40:58] these dom looker talking points these alex jones and we heard this already bro the first person in [1:41:08] once again he was the first person in america now you're moving to gold coast wait he was the first [1:41:13] hold on let him finish it let him finish it because he gonna he he he building himself a [1:41:17] hole because he this is the third time he would have moved the quote now you're saying he was the [1:41:19] first person in america i mean it's recorded but he's just playing it back but you said he was the [1:41:24] first nobody's moving the gold hold hold on hold on damn shut the up go back to the point that you [1:41:32] just made i just told him to stop talking to let you go if you'll shut the up we'd be able to listen [1:41:35] we'd be able to listen to you i'm giving you the floor shut the up and let i'm giving you the floor be [1:41:40] quiet i'm i'm it's my life i just told you i'm not trying to make it a 2v1 to go against you i'm [1:41:45] giving you your space just shut the up so hold on so back to what i was saying because tazzy cut you [1:41:52] off and i just told tazzy to be quiet and let you go so i'm giving you the opportunity to go i'm telling [1:41:57] him to be quiet let your ass go now go ahead i'll talk to you like a broad go ahead because you a [1:42:04] bitch but okay you bro let's not do that let's don't even do that don't even do that because you [1:42:09] you listen to me first no i'm no i'm i'm running my live and i'm telling you to be quiet and clearly [1:42:14] the regular way it's not working you've been speaking more than me and more than taji i've [1:42:19] been quiet for 10 minutes giving taji the floor because taji made a statement towards you so i'm [1:42:23] giving you the opportunity to go against him because he made a statement towards you that's [1:42:26] the reason why taji's up here i just told taji to be quiet and give you the floor but you cut me off [1:42:32] because i was centering back the conversation of what it was to tell taji to listen and to what you were [1:42:36] saying but clearly me being cool and calm and cordial not cutting it so i got to tell you to [1:42:41] shut the up so you can get it because i have a i have a very low patience i've been giving you the [1:42:47] floor you've been speaking more than anybody mine because uh bumby knows to me everybody said all i [1:42:51] do is cut everybody off and i always talk over everybody so i've been shutting the up i know how [1:42:55] to shut the up so i'm telling you to do that because clearly you don't know how to listen but don't [1:42:59] call me a because i ain't call y'all to name i said shut the up don't call me no because they don't [1:43:04] got to get that because you don't want it to go there so then calm all that extra all that down [1:43:08] don't don't don't even do all that don't even do all that because you don't know me don't call [1:43:12] no on this internet don't get this twisted you're having a conversation as men but if i [1:43:15] got to say check the up i might have to if you don't like to the up then you could have been [1:43:19] like hey bro don't do that i'll be quiet cool but don't call me no i won't worry about that [1:43:23] but i'm saying don't don't say no i ain't call you abroad i said i gotta speak to you like a broad [1:43:27] and clearly i do so calm all the extra down because all that all that we was in the room [1:43:34] he wouldn't even be doing all that so i don't even play like that sure pal sure no i know i know [1:43:38] i know so we're gonna keep this i'm a cool collective i ain't one of them now go ahead [1:43:43] and get the flow okay like i was saying before y'all talking about i'm moving the goalposts and all [1:43:49] these other things but this is what y'all keep doing in this whole conversation i give a point to [1:43:54] something the point is correct but because i didn't add xyz to the point oh i'm manipulating the [1:44:01] information brother if he's on paper as the first legal person in america as a as a recognized slave [1:44:10] owner in court that's still the point just because i didn't add on to the fact that one of his slaves [1:44:17] tried to break their contract that does not matter he is still proved that i was right when i said [1:44:23] that the first legally recognized slave owner in america was a black man now if i didn't say legally [1:44:30] recognized or legal slave owner in america that is my fault but at the same time you cannot dismiss [1:44:37] the fact that y'all keep focusing in on that race factor with american slavery but there were black [1:44:44] slave owners a black man was able to go to court to keep his slaves my ancestors in america i literally [1:44:52] had a whole documentary put in front of me at my family reunion they had eight slaves and they were [1:44:59] black is black as dirt and they had eight slaves maybe that's why you think how you think because [1:45:03] your people now bro you talking about three generations ago not only that native americans had [1:45:10] slaves so y'all keep focusing on race so you tell me bro why tell me why slavery was instituted in america [1:45:18] like what was the legal justification how did they how did they institute slavery tell me how it happened [1:45:24] they literally just went over there and started buying people and brought them back to work to [1:45:28] work the farms work the crops like as far as the documentation and all that i couldn't give you the [1:45:34] answer but i can give you a simplified version so why i don't know if i want to go thomas uh not thomas [1:45:39] so uh booker t washington or hannah ritt because like the scholars disagree with you booker t washington's [1:45:45] personal testimony explained in the first chapter the first pages of the book he explained [1:45:50] that it was racialized he explained that because slavery was racialized he had to figure out how [1:45:59] to make it in this world as a black man that's the whole premise of up from slavery he he talked about [1:46:05] how the moroccan got treated better than him as a black american even though they had the same shade [1:46:10] and the same thing with the native native american see now you're going through the separation no no no i'm [1:46:16] telling you i'm telling you that the policies in america were racial policies they they so if they [1:46:25] were racial policies and slavery was also a policy like like instituted via policy legalized legalized [1:46:34] you know what legalized means statutory you know what that means constitutional do you know what that [1:46:37] means that's legalized right instituted through policy then why are you trying to make a special pleading [1:46:45] that uh like american child of slavery had had little to do with race why are you doing that [1:46:52] because if race was the predominant factor of the slave trade in america and the main motivation [1:46:58] like basically that what the image that you're painting is that these white people saying that [1:47:03] oh man we gotta go to africa pacifically to get these they would have took slaves from china if they [1:47:08] sold them to them they would have took slaves from east africa or indies they would have took slaves [1:47:14] from whoever would have sold them slaves back then but their print their prominent market was africa [1:47:21] because that was just the easiest place and the quickest place to get to to buy slaves and you can't [1:47:26] say that race was the sole factor of american slavery when the first person to go to court for slavery [1:47:34] and win the court case was a black man and not only that they at no point in slavery slavery in america did [1:47:42] they say it's illegal for a black person to have slaves it's illegal for a native american to have [1:47:47] slaves if native americans and blacks had slaves in america during that time frame of 400 years [1:47:54] you can't then make the argument that it was predominantly race they were just they literally [1:48:02] so detrick real quick so detrick um and again i didn't know so i'm not trying to act like i'm some [1:48:08] scholar and i know everything because i damn sure don't know every mother thing but i somebody sent [1:48:13] me something else it says that the first earliest documented slave war in america was hugh gwen in [1:48:18] 1640. the whole anthony joshua situation anthony johnson situation didn't come until 1655. so this [1:48:24] was 15 years after the hugh gwen situation so you would be factually incorrect but now if you want to [1:48:31] tell me that i'm wrong i don't mind you telling me that i'm wrong but you will have to show me some [1:48:35] documentation because from what i see hugh gwen 1940 this is the earliest documented case john punch an [1:48:40] african servant ran away with two european injured servants the virginia court is the virginia virginia [1:48:45] court sentenced john punch to serve hugh gwen for life while the two europe europeans received only [1:48:51] additional years of service which kind of proves the point that it was different if you're looking for [1:48:55] the first documented person who legally held someone a lifelong servitude hugh gwen is the earliest [1:48:59] known example anthony johnson didn't come until 1615. so some and i'll tell you somebody told [1:49:04] me to look up hugh gwen to my phone i went and looked it up that's what it says so again wait wait [1:49:11] but also too it's like so i have here this is a white scholar uh the chapter in this book or [1:49:17] origins of totalitarianism is um this is this is the race thinking before racism chapter to uh page 201 [1:49:23] in my edition this is the mariner classic i like to give sites i like pictures with my stories i like [1:49:28] pictures with my stories so she says here that imperialism would have necessitated the invention of [1:49:33] racism as the only possible explanation and excuse for his deeds even if no race thinking had ever [1:49:38] existed in the civilized world okay now what does this mean what what is she trying to tell us she's [1:49:43] trying to tell us that the the yes they were going and collecting people from around the world and [1:49:48] imperializing and they had race thinking they thought lesser of the africans but they didn't necessarily [1:49:53] they weren't necessarily being racist and this is also a controversial point that she's making [1:49:57] but but but they had to to institute race like racism basically meaning like they had to like [1:50:04] make it about a person's genetics about a person's phenotypical features or about some aspect of a [1:50:09] person's character to justify what it was that they were doing or else they wouldn't have been able to [1:50:13] keep doing it so that means that yes they while they collected people from around the world without [1:50:19] much thought to like the color of their skin they they when they when they landed them in this land and [1:50:26] the constitution said we the people um they had to kind of make a special pleading to say that black [1:50:31] people were less of less human than white people and they had to create whole doctrines of racial [1:50:37] science to explain that point and a concrete and this is why charles mill says that um the racial contract [1:50:43] is we the white people not we the people that's why he says that i don't fully agree with that but [1:50:48] the my point my point here is that the the the scout the mainline scholarship or at least the scholarship [1:50:54] that i know in philosophy of race is they they they rather they're on the left or the right they all [1:50:59] acknowledge that slavery in america was racialized they might disagree with why it was racialized [1:51:06] but there is no question at all whether slavery in america was racialized so your point about [1:51:12] you know anthony johnson and all of these things you're taking a legal case where a person like was [1:51:18] just was smart enough to try to sue somebody on a legal ground for some so now he gets like like [1:51:23] documented from a legal perspective as the first something doesn't make him the actual first [1:51:27] something that's why it said if i'm if i like i got to be convicted of murder or be recognized as a [1:51:33] murderer to to to be a murderer like this if i if i'm not so the first person who was recognized for [1:51:40] unlawfully killing somebody is the first murderer no that's not true people murder murder people and get [1:51:45] off from it all the time so you're i don't understand what the motive is right that's really what i'm [1:51:50] getting to get it get into talking to another black person uh you say you fba you you you might not use [1:51:56] the title but you say that you're from mississippi your family's lineage uh started from 1865 on forward [1:52:02] you know what i'm saying so i'm trying to talk to you to get you out of the second place brother because [1:52:07] i'm i'm conservative too i'm the most conservative man on youtube i say that all the time but i'm not [1:52:12] but but i'm not gonna let anybody dehumanize me as a black person or tell me about my history when i know [1:52:18] better when i can go read the the black people the white people to the chinese people the whoever [1:52:23] people and they all say the same thing about one thing which is that slavery in america was unique [1:52:29] because it was racialized alan okay and before you go real quick are you gonna concede the fact that [1:52:37] she was incorrect on that point are you still gonna say that he was the first even though it says that [1:52:41] this i i conceded i i didn't know about you respect i can respect you for that all good go ahead [1:52:49] so reason why i brought up anthony johnson is because you you said that just for being born [1:52:55] black in america that made you a slave i was attacking that point in the race point specifically [1:53:00] that race not saying it was non-existent in america not saying that's what made it to me [1:53:08] slavery in america is not made unique by the race factor the reason because because it's just like [1:53:15] he wasn't born in the u.s okay if he wasn't born in the u.s that's fine but i'm from africa he wasn't [1:53:22] born in the u.s also federalism man you gotta think about federalism brother so do you know what federalism [1:53:27] is well i know but i want him to give us i want him to give his rebuttal hold that point because i do [1:53:32] want to get his rebuttal i only responded to you dietrich because you said that the thing was about being [1:53:36] born anthony johnson wasn't born in america he was angola he was angola he wasn't born in america [1:53:45] okay he wasn't born in america but even black people who were born in america there were some [1:53:50] who were just born free men because there were black people that migrated to america and they had [1:53:57] children like that's how we got that's how the slave slave trade even happened so when i say that just [1:54:04] just back then just because you were born black did not make you a slave if you were born black on [1:54:10] a plantation you're a slave but if you were born black to a free family you're free and you actually [1:54:16] had the right to go purchase slaves of your own some of those people were kidnapped some of those people [1:54:21] were some of those people were uh were taken over some of the people were killed but yeah some of [1:54:25] those people were kidnapped and taken as slaves as well i will admit that as well there were some free [1:54:30] black men so all i'm doing is adding context to the situation so when you say it's about you being [1:54:37] born well okay but context matters as well when you mentioned like well some people were free yeah but [1:54:42] some of those people were kidnapped some of those people were ripped from their family simply because [1:54:45] i know you over here now and they wouldn't afford a citizenship as united states citizens and that's a [1:54:51] fact and also even a even deeper context is federalism i wrote it down here so i remember so do you [1:54:57] understand federalism no he explains him so how you gonna have this conversation and not know what [1:55:02] federal federalism is so federalism is the like okay we have a centralized government but we have [1:55:09] states rights that's a simple way to explain it i mean we'll give you more technicalities about that [1:55:13] but that's what federalism is so what that means is that states govern themselves under the authority of [1:55:20] our like central document which is the u.s constitution the federal constitution right so so so when you say [1:55:26] not all uh black people were like who were born in america were necessarily slaves that's because of [1:55:34] federalism that's because some states didn't have legal chattel slavery that's why so even that [1:55:42] and then it still doesn't bear on the fact that racial slavery was legal in certain states it's just [1:55:50] that federalism separated it right you got the northern and southern you know i know you know that i heard [1:55:55] you talking about it so why then so you bring it up when it's beneficial for you but when the principle [1:56:01] that we're operating on doesn't benefit your point you you ignore you ignore the same facts that you [1:56:07] use to build your case so this is this this speaks to motive to me because it's like okay you understand [1:56:13] that there was a difference between different states and different states rights and different laws and [1:56:17] all the things but when it's convenient for you you leave it out when you say things like oh yeah well [1:56:23] um yeah you can't say that race slavery was racialized because uh not every black person in america was [1:56:32] born a slave it's like all right bro so i i don't get it bro but i i can only recommend you to read more [1:56:40] that's it so you just help prove my point if you had states that had it to where there weren't any race [1:56:48] based slavery or whatever and then you had states to where they were race-based slavery but let me ask [1:56:54] you this and those race-based slavery states did any of those states at any point put down on law that [1:57:01] if you're a black person you cannot own a slave and that's a that's something you need to mention [1:57:08] brother let me ask you a question how would a black person have owned a slave in the south i mean money is [1:57:16] king like if you money bro just buy them like this bro and we just we hold on hold on god bless you [1:57:24] talking about we just talked about anthony johnson losing patience man well so we're gonna forget about [1:57:29] me johnson was in virginia brother like once again you talking about this is virginia the midwest or is [1:57:39] virginia the south once again you're talking about 16 54 though bro okay so what are you talking about [1:57:46] bro but give me an example of a south state that said if you were black you cannot legally own a slave [1:57:52] because i'm literally telling you that my ancestors my family owned eight of them and they was in [1:57:58] mississippi why so you telling me your i mean i can look i don't know i can look it up i can look [1:58:02] good yeah like yo hold on hold on so you're telling me your ancestors just like wanted to [1:58:07] like own slaves they wanted to own their own people yeah they had eight okay yeah i i don't [1:58:13] believe that i don't believe i hate to be that type because i'm i'm never like that bro never like [1:58:20] this i gotta strip your fba card away bro you telling me that yo yo you are up your ancestors was [1:58:26] like oh yeah these like enslave them like so you just don't bro you acting like black people [1:58:31] then only you think that's cute you think that's cute what we're telling you no why are you projecting [1:58:36] that onto me what we nobody thinks the majority of black what we're telling you is that the majority [1:58:40] of black people who own slaves were buying back their families because they were separated on the [1:58:47] stock exchange literally giving you what you talking about of me they weren't buying back their [1:58:53] families they just had workers they just had this work and i know my family's not [1:59:02] i got you real to cleveland back in real quick to see real to cleveland back in hold on just [1:59:08] i had to do it too real to cleveland back in now let me like i do want to answer your question [1:59:12] detrick you said because i said again i don't know and i'm okay with saying i don't know i'm not too [1:59:17] prideful to say that i don't know something i didn't know but i looked it up you said were there [1:59:22] policies and laws or were there things that were hindering black people from owning slaves [1:59:27] no but there's context because something about you it don't seem like you like that context much [1:59:32] there were laws that severely restricted the rights of free black people making it harder for them to [1:59:38] own property testify in court vote travel bear arms or remain in the state so were there any policies to [1:59:46] say that you guys can't own slaves no there was no policy to enact that but again they weren't allowed [1:59:52] to even the the it's not like the red carpet was just laid out for them there were so many other [1:59:57] things that barred them from even getting to that point because their own slaves well guess what you [2:00:00] gotta have money you probably gotta have some land you probably gotta have connections around that [2:00:04] wasn't available to these free black americans it just wasn't the thing and then another thing [2:00:08] so context matters another thing too like bro we had literal they call black codes bro it was illegal [2:00:17] to pick cotton after dark this was a fake statue that they made to literally go round up for no reason [2:00:25] after got free so so so you telling me i need to rely on the law to tell me what was what was socially [2:00:32] acceptable no i i don't even have to do that today i don't have to do that today so it's ridiculous for [2:00:39] you to for you to make these special pleases bro there's one-off cases of of the the minority of [2:00:44] people who so happen to rig the system somehow or come from another country with money and and [2:00:49] purchase some black people like that's and then and then and then where that proudly [2:00:54] puffing your titties out talking about yeah my family they own like bro the understand [2:01:00] read nobody's proud of that that's why are you thinking i'm projecting proudness it's proven a [2:01:07] point my family is not unique i'm one individual are you gonna sit here and tell me that my family [2:01:13] my regular ass family in mississippi was the only family mississippi don't make you own slaves though [2:01:19] your family the exception don't make the rule bro oh are you really gonna just sit here and make the [2:01:24] argument that that somehow i got majority my my great grandparents were the only people who has [2:01:31] no the argument is that the majority of slaves the majority of black people in this country [2:01:38] were enslaved nobody's argument it's like saying no reason why i'm not gonna shut the up because you're [2:01:48] serious you can talk no nobody's saying that your family was the only family all that i tried to do [2:01:55] initially was first of all add context because just because on paper it says that this black person [2:01:59] on this other black person a lot of people were about again a lot of people were buying them their [2:02:03] families out of slavery do you do you do you agree with that do you i don't disagree with that okay [2:02:08] cool so that's the first part a lot of people are buying their families back out of slavery and then the [2:02:13] point to to say that and it's a lot of sometimes it wasn't even their family it could have just been [2:02:17] other black people that they cared about it wasn't like it was the same way that it would be some white [2:02:21] southern christian bible thumping slave owner doing the same thing to a black person that another black [2:02:26] slave owner would would necessarily do that's not the same thing at all so but but even still if you [2:02:31] want to make the argument there were some black slave owners sure nobody's disagreeing with that [2:02:35] your family owned slaves hey i don't know that maybe where the disagreement come in and some [2:02:39] ancestral difference i don't know what it is but the point that anybody the point at least the point [2:02:44] that i'm making is it's not the fact that like that just means that uh you know other it didn't [2:02:49] happen in other places of course it did but that's not the majority so you trying to say if i make an [2:02:54] argument and i say men tend to be taller than women and then you say no no but you're making but you're [2:03:00] saying that we or tajie or me is trying to say that of it didn't happen with other families nobody [2:03:05] disagree with that if i say that men tend to be taller than women and then you say well no because my [2:03:11] grandma's six four she's talking to most men that doesn't take away from the fact that the majority [2:03:15] consensus still rules that men tend to be taller than women so you're bringing up an anecdotal point [2:03:20] even though even you may have 50 different points that are anecdotal but those 50 different points [2:03:24] that are anecdotal still do not take over the majority consensus of the generalization of the [2:03:28] majority of black people that were enslaved were not slave owners themselves and the majority of black [2:03:32] people that were enslaved are not enslaved by other black people they were enslaved by white southerners [2:03:36] that's a fact i never i never argued against that that's where y'all missing me so detras never [2:03:42] argued against any of that so why do you keep arguing that we're trying to say that you're you're [2:03:45] unique or do you which are not unique we're trying to say that they didn't happen in other cases [2:03:49] nobody did somebody disagree with it well i am arguing is is that when he said that what made american [2:03:56] slavery unique was the race factor the kidnapping people from a different continent factor because i'm still on [2:04:03] that i'm on the point of that never came out of my mouth that never came i'm talking about him i [2:04:08] ain't talking about you you agreed initially though you agreed to it you agreed to that because taji [2:04:13] initially brought the point in the comments but you agreed well i actually brought it up before taji [2:04:16] but taji brought it back up and you agreed to it you said yeah that made it unique and then you went to [2:04:20] this but i mean it wasn't really you said it was it was a drop in a bucket or whatever you said [2:04:25] you tried to say that it wasn't that serious so that's why taji was like let me come up because that's [2:04:30] because the main motivation for them getting slaves from africa was the travel distance the price [2:04:36] the abundance you didn't have to go hunt these people down yourselves you had people in africa [2:04:42] they would go get them and sell them to the white man they this was the this was the easiest simple [2:04:48] ways for them to require slavery if i believe if i believe that that that if i believe in inalienable [2:04:55] rights mean their rights given from god then how can i finish what i was finished when that's what [2:05:00] i was trying to say finish what you're saying the only reason that they predominantly got slaves from [2:05:06] africa was for those reasons i listed you talking about these people on boats for months dealing with [2:05:12] scurvy and all kinds of things africa was the easiest accessible space not only that they had the [2:05:18] cheapest labor that they could buy then they didn't have to go hunt these people down themselves they could [2:05:24] just go to the african market and they had brothers selling brothers if you had the mexican people [2:05:30] back in mexico selling slaves to america you think america would have just said no we don't want the [2:05:35] mexicans they would have took them too it would have saved them hundreds of thousands of dollars back [2:05:41] then if they could just get slaves from mexico the reason why i'm saying american slavers just real [2:05:46] quick are you making it if they would have did it they would have did it too argument so that's like [2:05:50] saying like i don't know i'm i'm making an argument that if white people could buy mexicans back then [2:05:57] from mexico they would have done it that's what i'm but you're making it what but you're me but again [2:06:02] that's a if it would have happened this argument is not a if it would have could have should have happened [2:06:07] we're just i'm saying exactly what happened that's not it i don't know i'm saying it would have been [2:06:12] cheaper for them to do it from mexico so this is about to make me like anti-capitalist bro and i'm [2:06:19] not i'm not i'm not i'm not that type but when i hear this type of because you basically you're [2:06:24] saying the only reason right it that is the only reason that black people were taken from africa is [2:06:30] because it was convenient and wow okay yeah yeah and i'm telling you that that's only half the story [2:06:37] according to white people dumb if sure i believe if i believe if okay so so who are the who are the [2:06:44] the main thinkers um in the in in in like the period where classical liberalism was the main thing that [2:06:51] people believe who are the main thinkers during that time who during the period of enlightenment [2:06:56] who were the united states founders really inspired by what philosophers did they like [2:07:00] one of them was john locke he was a big one he's even in the pre preamble to the constitution [2:07:05] i believe so john locke john locke john well it's like it's sort of similar so i i don't want to i [2:07:12] don't want to overstate that but what i'm trying to say is that john locke believed in inalienable [2:07:16] rights meaning rights given from god right how could you take another person from another country [2:07:23] and treat them lesser um institute bigotry make them work for free and violate their rights etc [2:07:32] and then say that you look at them the same way you look at other human beings [2:07:36] that were made in the image of god how can you say that you can't say it so this is why people [2:07:40] like hannah arent explain to you to dumb like you that if if if if slavery so long so long as [2:07:51] imperialism happened brother racism would have been instituted that means that the re the the [2:07:57] justification for what they were doing was racist they used race as a reason are you serious dude bro [2:08:06] this is this is if that was the case that was the case why did we have slavery for thousands of years [2:08:14] you dummy the slavery we have slavery for thousands it wasn't because because because the history of [2:08:22] philosophy tells us that people didn't look at it wasn't the same kind of slavery they wasn't looking [2:08:27] at what they was doing the same way people expounded upon their world views and realized especially with [2:08:33] like the the christian crusades and all that for all the bad it did the the good thing that it did was [2:08:38] show these crazy that people were made in the image of god people were made by nature equal and [2:08:44] that no man by his nature was better than another man and so that evolution of the thinking of people [2:08:51] resulted in the understanding that slavery was immoral and once that understanding was brought in they [2:08:57] had to make a special pleading if they wanted to keep their principles you can't tell me that i'm [2:09:02] made in the image of god and then also in the same breath tell me that that that i'm because of where [2:09:08] i'm from or because of what i look like that i'm gonna like that i gotta be a slave come on i get the [2:09:14] point you're making come on now and i addressed this point like an hour ago i said the only difference [2:09:20] between white people in the rest of history when it comes to slavery white people didn't waste time [2:09:27] going to conquer villages white people didn't waste time trying to force the their native population [2:09:35] to be okay with it through physical means they use the books i said just like white people came to this [2:09:42] country where it was natives already here and forced them by their fist what are you talking about [2:09:48] what i'm saying i'm talking about slavery and the acceptance of slavery just like how you just [2:09:54] pointed out i addressed this over an hour ago where i said that white people just went the easy nice [2:10:02] convenient way about selling slavery to their people and just getting slaves they went the easy way [2:10:08] getting slaves by just going to the market in abundance to buy them they went the easy way with [2:10:14] their civilians okay is that okay did they tell you that oh i'm just curious on like where is this [2:10:20] like justification coming from as far as how you would know the mentality of the people back then [2:10:25] like where's the judge it's like you know it's like you you you justifying how do you like how [2:10:29] would you even know that can i finish what i'm saying and i'll give you the context of how yeah but [2:10:36] you do be very very long very very long-winded but go ahead just try to condition that's hard that's [2:10:41] how i give you the detail but i will sum it up please basically if i'm summoning it up white people and [2:10:47] i addressed this over an hour ago you're saying that they use religion to justify slavery to the [2:10:52] people that's not what i said well or what were you saying then that they said that the evolution [2:10:59] the philosophical evolution the understanding of what what a human life is worth created a problem a [2:11:06] conflict a fragmentation a contradiction amongst the men who built the nation so they justified it by [2:11:15] saying that based on skin color these people are less human than us and you said that they felt that [2:11:21] way because of what their religion no i said that one thing i said that the spread of christianity amongst [2:11:31] the the philosophical foundations of the west made us understand that what people are [2:11:39] is made in the image of their god and no human is it is inherently more valuable than another human [2:11:46] so they had to dehumanize the people that they had as slaves and it was the way they did that was [2:11:51] based on skin color that's literally what i just said brother so if it was based on no no that's not [2:12:00] what i'm saying i am saying that you you literally just said again that they had to come up with a [2:12:07] different reason to justify slavery because their religion made them feel guilty about it because [2:12:13] everyone's equal in the you just said everyone's equal in the eyes of god i don't know i don't know [2:12:19] i don't know i don't know you just said that i don't know you just said that i don't want to insult [2:12:24] your iq because i feel like that's like so so hold on hold on you didn't just say you didn't just say [2:12:29] they had to come up with a reason to sell slavery to people because their religious ideals made them feel [2:12:34] guilty about it so they had to trick the people into being okay with it and gave them a reason to say it's [2:12:40] okay to enslave this particular people no despite what god says you didn't just say that no i what [2:12:46] i said was that they needed to make a special pleading based on their philosophical understanding [2:12:52] of the worth of a human life and the reason why i'm making this distinction is because it ain't about [2:12:56] being tricked it ain't about none of that they genuinely like like argue that black people were [2:13:02] three-fifths of a person so it's not about it's like i don't know what you're trying to get at but [2:13:07] like the reason my point is not based off what christians did or didn't do my point is based [2:13:15] off of the evolution as a whole and i gave christianity as one example so if it's one example [2:13:21] you don't take the one example and then try to use that as the overarching thing that is called [2:13:26] astronomy we're talking about america though america is our main religion america america is not [2:13:32] necessarily christian so back then most of them people weren't christian dude are we gonna really [2:13:37] debate that what does that have to do with the u.s constitution is christianity in the constitution [2:13:43] like bro how many of those people who wrote that thing were christians are you and they also follow [2:13:49] a philosophical tradition that told them things that christians also said and so that's why i'm making [2:13:54] a distinction as broader than christianity christianity played a big part the spread of christianity and [2:13:59] catholicism uh played a big part it was a central feature but it was not the only feature so i'm not [2:14:05] gonna let you straw man me i'm gonna make you address the fundamental claim i'm gonna make you address the [2:14:09] fundamental claim that that that i'm making which is that they made a special pleading to justify what [2:14:17] they were doing explain to me why slavery was okay on the white man in america's view why was it okay [2:14:25] once again this is using your point because you mentioned this okay i'm gonna explain to you they [2:14:32] literally made it okay because and now they they didn't have to just like slavery was never even [2:14:39] before america slavery was not something that was just necessarily frowned upon because it was practiced [2:14:46] across the world so he didn't have to thomas jefferson brother brother thomas jefferson literally said [2:14:52] that he he like he trembles in fear every time he thinks about slavery he literally said that [2:15:01] like like a slave owner etc etc he knew that slavery was unjust and immoral he knew that [2:15:07] he knew that that's what i was saying oh you're trying to make a capitalistic point that's why you're [2:15:12] trying to make a capitalistic point to say that you're trying to make a capitalistic point to say that [2:15:17] oh it was basically just convenience that made it to where they they took boats from one continent to [2:15:23] another continent to collect like when they could have collected their own people if that was the [2:15:27] case they could have went down to mexico if they they could have went up to uh modern day canada if [2:15:32] that was the case you're talking about people who went on a boat you're talking about that's more [2:15:36] convenient you're telling me bro get the man listen what's more convenient you just go to a shop and [2:15:44] buy somebody or you go to a you go go through a war and have to force a people into into slavery [2:15:50] forcing somebody to slavery through a war or going to a shop what are you going to do if you're a a [2:15:56] country that's young you're going to go to a shop and just buy somebody so you think that there was no [2:16:02] wars over over over black bodies in africa who said that there were no wars of a black body if [2:16:08] there were nobody said okay so i said i said no no no no no no no i'm not letting you off the hook [2:16:15] because you're not letting me finish i said specifically the evil people in africa were the [2:16:21] predominant force if you say you said that you just control the people who enslaved their own [2:16:33] people not bad now you just contradicted yourself you just said that that that white americans [2:16:40] white or british colonizers didn't force anybody in the war the the central uh premise of your claim [2:16:46] um bro the premise of your claim right the central premise of your claim is that white americans went to [2:16:56] africa to get black bodies not because of racism but because of convenience and then you you justified [2:17:02] that claim by saying that uh well your proof of that claim was that they could have they bought [2:17:07] them like store people and they didn't necessarily have to go to war now i'm here to tell you that [2:17:12] based on um where is it destruction of black civilization by chancellor williams testimony that [2:17:17] would be you keep showing all these books no no i'm gonna keep showing you information i'm gonna keep [2:17:22] showing you so are you gonna say actually are you gonna say hold on hold on hold on i'm trying to [2:17:27] explain it to you so what we know we can go back to this person's opinion that's a person's opinion [2:17:33] it's not a person's opinion this is so many scholarly sources in the back of this book what are you [2:17:36] talking about people's opinion these are parents were they on the boat were they on the boat were they on [2:17:41] the boat they had but but did you did you did you did you did you by that logic then you would be [2:17:47] denouncing anything that you said because you weren't on the boat either so anything that what you're talking about [2:17:50] is all opinion based so then we would not be having hold on hold on hold on hold on then we [2:17:54] we would not be having a debate we would just be talking about anything that's different and i can [2:17:59] explain why here i wouldn't wait so so just just just real just real quick you would have more of [2:18:04] the intellectual grinding to have a conversation like this than a person who is maybe wrote a book [2:18:08] on it or studied it or who has like who maybe has some education on former education on it you saying [2:18:13] that like the books that i have behind me now i'm not as book smart as taji by far nowhere near and [2:18:17] i'm smart and i'm not probably i'm prideful i'm not as prideful to say that but so you're saying [2:18:23] that these books behind me and the books that taji had then they got a thousand books behind them [2:18:26] you're saying that none of that matters because it's all opinion based but you it's okay for you [2:18:30] to give your opinion and that's different i'm not giving an opinion i'm giving i'm giving stuff based [2:18:35] on the economy how do you no no how do you know it though how do you know are you an economist i'm [2:18:40] finna explaining i'm finna explaining are you an economist that's a good question are you an economist [2:18:44] i am not a communist but so then you are just as the same person that you're speaking about in [2:18:49] these books can i explain what i'm saying can i explain it i mean sure i just don't make logical [2:18:55] sense but of course you can explain it because you won't let me explain it brother like damn [2:19:00] if you're a person in a young country if if you're a young country and you're able to go somewhere [2:19:06] and buy people for pennies on the dollar bring them back and have them pick your crops pick your [2:19:13] cotton and you're able to get that all this labor for free you're able to go by these people for [2:19:19] penny on the dollar then come back and make these people make profits for you that will be a hundred [2:19:25] percent profit based because you're not paying these people because they're slaves and i'm telling you [2:19:29] that's what we have the story i mean i'm telling you that like yeah you ain't let me finish can you be [2:19:35] quiet bro can you be quiet over and over bro because you're not let me finish be quiet be quiet [2:19:42] quiet and i will give you the floor back i am i think i'm gonna give you i'm gonna give uh 60 seconds [2:19:48] go 60 seconds i mean how long would it how long does it take to make a point earlier i gave you [2:19:54] like five minutes without nobody cut me off bro 60 seconds are literally how okay do you need 10 [2:20:01] minutes back i wouldn't make my point whoa whoa real quick respectfully you're not giving me the floor [2:20:06] but just real quick just real quick i'm i'm giving you 60 seconds that's a long time in the debate bro [2:20:12] because you do realize somebody has to be able to listen to what you say and then give a response [2:20:16] so i'm giving you 60 seconds i'm telling taji and in myself and i'm telling you that we're going to [2:20:22] give you 60 i'm going to give you 60 seconds to have the floor 60 seconds how long do you need to [2:20:28] make a point brother no it's not about that let me ask you this let me ask you this logically [2:20:43] logically how long do you think it'll take for someone to be able to to listen to a point and [2:20:48] then be able to give a rebuttal if so if you're talking for three minutes you're kind of the way [2:20:53] that like common sense works most people the first 30 seconds of a minute what you say it it's not [2:20:58] going to be that it's not going to carry on as long as the extra two minutes because you're going to [2:21:02] remember what you just most most recently heard so three minutes is a long time i gave you like four [2:21:07] or five minutes early and then the first person what you said i didn't even fully remember because [2:21:11] you was babbling but i let you go because everybody say all it do is cut everybody off that's [2:21:16] the problem you saying i was babbling but you wasn't listening to what i was you were babbling you [2:21:20] were babbling you don't need that long bro that's tick tock brain do you have any do you even have [2:21:26] a car wait wait wait what's your brain do you have a college education no i don't got so then what do [2:21:31] you mean tick tock brain what are you talking about what are you talking about that go over 10 seconds [2:21:38] that's what i mean by tick tock let's not let's not even assault each other's intelligence you've never [2:21:42] been you've never been formally educated what are you talking about i mean how many folks in college [2:21:46] are doing horrible right now don't even bring a degree i didn't say college make you smart i [2:22:04] didn't say college make you smart but you said tick tock brain so for somebody with no type of form of [2:22:08] education to say did you even graduate high school yes okay so i mean i'm just saying though for [2:22:14] somebody to try to say we have tics again you came in already you came at least i don't know what [2:22:18] ties i think ties he was going to say something about iq but he stopped himself you came at at my [2:22:23] intelligence by just simply saying i'm going to give you 60 seconds for the floor that's more than [2:22:27] enough time to make whatever point you want to make you don't have to make seven and eight trying to [2:22:31] give out detail and explain something unique so are you going to argue that you can explain something [2:22:36] better in 60 seconds than you can in three minutes for them because our teachers for the most part hold on [2:22:43] we're not in first of all that it's not it's not a class we're having a debate which means that both [2:22:46] sides are already we're trying to educate people stop stop stop stop stop sir stop sir the difference [2:22:53] between a class and a teacher and students is because the students don't know anything the teacher [2:22:57] is the superior usually intellectually so they're giving their intellectual property whatever it may be [2:23:01] so that the the student is trying to gain knowledge this is a debate where both sides are basically [2:23:07] are having a battle on who's going to be correct in the in the battle so there is no seeder to [2:23:11] to teach a teacher to student scenario so that's not a good example that you could have gave if [2:23:16] you're making a point if you have if you have points to make more than likely things because [2:23:21] i don't think you stupid i don't think taji's stupid and i'm not stupid most of us are adults we [2:23:28] ain't running around in the streets we ain't out here going crazy we're able to be we're able to to [2:23:32] to conjure up a point within 60 seconds and the person that's hearing it is able to to to uh download [2:23:38] that point is is able to download that point and be able to respond to it so 60 seconds is more than [2:23:43] enough time and you should be able to you should be able to put it together summarize what you're [2:23:47] saying bro that's not the case okay well this is the case that we're gonna say i ain't gonna go back [2:23:51] before about it you get 60 seconds i'm not gonna say nothing taji not gonna say something go okay does [2:23:57] it make logical sense to get on the boat and travel eight to nine months to go pick up some people and [2:24:05] then go eight to nine months back you you you gotta manage your water sleep in a boat with all these [2:24:11] sweaty ass men you can die it doesn't make logical sense to say that the people who are motivated to [2:24:18] go on that boat and pick up these other people that damn i can't wait to go over here and get these or [2:24:24] does it make more logical sense to say damn i can't wait to go over here and get these assets [2:24:29] because the return on investment is going to make my white family rich what would you think was the [2:24:35] driving factor in it i can't wait to go get these or i can't wait to get rich all right so as i said [2:24:42] before just real quick hold on i'm sorry dodgy now did you need two three minutes to say that i had to [2:24:49] dumb it down but you had to dumb it down or you just had to summarize it and condense it i should go [2:24:58] i have it here um on screen right this is a selected bibliography meaning like this is the work i'm [2:25:03] about to uh show y'all now meaning this is the work that um that i was about to quote right so i'm [2:25:08] gonna just show it to y'all just so to debunk his point right about um about this is just somebody's [2:25:14] opinion so this is a peer-reviewed scholar all right let me zoom in this is a peer-reviewed scholar [2:25:18] wait stop talking bro stop talking we gave you your time this is a peer-reviewed scholar as you can see [2:25:23] he's quoting mad other peer-reviewed scholars mad other books people talking about african history the [2:25:29] atlantic slave trade uh the the the trade of the moors egypt etc so this is proof this book contains [2:25:37] proof peer-reviewed proof that there were wars across africa about slavery the european didn't [2:25:44] just come over there and collect for free that's that's that's the only thing i was trying to say [2:25:47] and that doesn't miss damage to your claim that it was more efficient that's it i never said they went [2:25:53] over there and got them for free i said they went over there and brought them i never seen it i mean i mean [2:25:57] i mean free in terms of violence like they were met with violence often they were often met with [2:26:02] violence not everybody was just like oh yeah yeah take them we don't want them some groups were like [2:26:05] that um i think it's like places like benin was like that if i'm not mistaken i could be wrong on [2:26:09] that but it's definitely some place that was like that but majority of places they were met with war [2:26:14] because it wasn't just oh we gonna sell it it was imperialism overall they like the west was trying to [2:26:21] take africa that's why africa so well it's one of the reasons why africa so up today did i not say before [2:26:28] did i not say before that the bad people beat the good people and that's why we had the slave train [2:26:33] did i not say that before the bad people beat the good people bro this i mean i gotta simple simplify [2:26:39] listen listen listen your claim was that your claim was that slavery was about like the american [2:26:45] chattel slavery system was about efficiency i'm telling you that's only half the story i'm saying [2:26:51] first of all we know that it wasn't that efficient because why they were met with war with for with [2:26:58] with matt centuries century-long wars it's a whole white wars didn't have to deal with a lot of [2:27:03] those wars because all they would do they were fighting white people bro they weren't always [2:27:09] fighting white people but after a certain point they were definitely fighting colonization bro now you [2:27:13] disrespecting african which i don't know now you're talking about colonization we're talking about [2:27:17] american we have to talk about colonization because according to the scholars according to the manuscripts [2:27:22] according to the that was there and according to the main line of philosophy of race scholars that i [2:27:28] know i'm talking about the ones that i know the the the the colonialization was one of the main factors [2:27:35] that led to racism which turned into racialism so bro this is not like bro this is this i'm i'm i'm [2:27:42] not trying to disrespect you i'm trying to give you the sources i take back every mean thing i said to [2:27:47] you bro i was wilding out but likewise i'm trying to get i'm trying to give you the sources so that you [2:27:52] could go and study for yourself that's why i'm talking about hannah ritt that's why i'm talking about [2:27:56] booker t washington and um chancellor williams i'm giving you black sources white sources left [2:28:00] sources right sources you feel me like i'm not because i really do this because i feel like you [2:28:05] just ain't read it so you don't know so it's impacting your view on it and that's fine i'm [2:28:10] ignorant too on certain topics but the difference is that i don't talk i try very hard not to talk [2:28:14] about things that i don't know or don't understand same so are oh so are you gonna just ignore the [2:28:20] 60 second thing i did are you just so this is what i mean you keep talking about this go ahead you [2:28:25] could talk he's talking about this scholar that scholar this scholar none of those scholars had [2:28:30] anything to do with the got on that boat and said once i go get these assets my family gonna be rich [2:28:37] i'ma be good for a few years or whatever none of them scholars got nothing to do with does it make [2:28:43] more sense that these folks went on a two-year trip to go pick up these people because of oh let's go get [2:28:50] this or did they go on their two-year trip across the sea in their old ass boat because they wanted [2:28:56] money they wanted free labor you you talk about the systemic racism exists the systemic racism exists [2:29:04] systemic racism exists yes this country's not alone it did at some point but no longer okay so let me ask [2:29:11] you this what what are systems systems like the government what is the government so so systems look [2:29:18] i'm gonna just help you out bro i'm not going i'm not going to try to embarrass you i'm gonna humble myself [2:29:22] and we had a black president bro i'm not hearing it let's not go there and he was not black if you [2:29:29] want to debate that i would love to but i'm gonna let taji take it go ahead i'm gonna ignore that and [2:29:34] i'm gonna say that for it because that's more cultural so that's what it does he's very good at [2:29:37] that so i'm like i'm gonna hit you where it hurt with the philosophy so systems are just people any [2:29:44] system that you name is going to fall back on people you say government government is people um you say [2:29:49] uh like the whatever system you want to know my 60 second argument are you just going to ignore that [2:29:56] i bet all right so i'll do it in 60 seconds systems no no no the the argument i made in 60 seconds are [2:30:02] you going to ignore that so so you're going to say that don't people took that two year long trip [2:30:07] because of racism and not because i know what it sounded like what it sounded like he did was you [2:30:12] when he tried to give you points you said well it came from a book and that don't mean nothing [2:30:16] that's just somebody what does that have to do with the sailors i think i'm thinking taji can [2:30:20] correct me if i'm wrong that's why i'm telling you just so you can understand like exactly where it [2:30:24] came from it seemed like you make up you made a point taji was going into a point responding to [2:30:29] that and he was bringing out a book i got a few books back here taji is way more well read than me [2:30:34] and he was giving you a book and you said well that's a book that ain't that don't mean nothing [2:30:37] that's an opinion so he said well no books are usually these books that i have or you books that [2:30:42] that are that should be used in an argument comes from scholars and there's intellectual property [2:30:45] backing it and there's sources that also backed it which is why he came on a big screen and put [2:30:49] out the sources at the end of that book to show you that the point that i'm making actually comes [2:30:52] from a verifiable source so he didn't respond to it you just felt like he didn't he didn't because [2:30:58] he's not addressing what i'm saying no i don't think it's book i don't think you understand it he [2:31:03] addressed your point as he was addressing it you said it came from a book so it doesn't mean anything [2:31:07] because what does that book have to do what does that book and those scholars have to do [2:31:13] with those plantation owners wanting to make money because because they wanted to make money [2:31:18] and establishes that it establishes that it wasn't as easy and convenient as you're trying to make it [2:31:23] seem because your central premise is that the only reason that slavery happened was because of [2:31:29] convenience and it wasn't the most convenient it's more convenient to go snatch my neighbor [2:31:32] the is you talking about if i got to go to war anyways i might as well go to war with this [2:31:36] he right next to me i got it it's easier for me to kill my neighbor than it is for me to kill my op [2:31:43] so you saying it was more convenient for the government to start enslaving their own people [2:31:48] and fighting the war over it and then just going over there to buy them buy them for pennies on the [2:31:52] dollar yes yes so so hope i'm repeating you're talking about i'm not talking about that no more [2:31:59] bro i'm about that because you don't you don't sound smart bro you saying it was more convenient [2:32:07] more convenient for them so so you really gonna sit here and say bro does it cost money does it cost [2:32:14] money to voyeur across to voyeur and risk your life going does it cost money to have a war to enslave the [2:32:20] white colonists that were over here it could but i don't but but if i'm gonna risk my life [2:32:27] no it don't necessarily cost money to go to war [2:32:36] about white americans white colonists i'm talking about the white colonists you talking about oh why [2:32:42] they didn't just go to war with themselves i can't do it right that's why i checked out i checked out [2:32:47] probably like 45 minutes ago you just said that you just said that systemic racism doesn't exist [2:32:54] anymore in this country and i'm about to address that claim so no no no no we're gonna go back [2:32:59] you gonna sit here and say that oh why didn't you just kidnap their neighbor why the they do that [2:33:04] why would they do is it easier for you to travel down the street is it easier for you to travel down [2:33:08] the street and go kidnap somebody from your op block no not kidnap or buy buy buy buy every black [2:33:17] person majority yes majority majority you hear that word majority i can't do it bro this lost he lost he [2:33:28] lost bro wow bro i can't do it bro so you're going to say it was more profitable [2:33:40] we can agree to give your point and then did you go give your point and i want to i want to i want [2:33:45] to give i want to respond and then we're gonna go ahead taji you go i bet so we can we can agree to [2:33:50] disagree on the on the slavery efficient point i don't care about that i care about the claim that [2:33:56] systemic racism no longer exists in this country this is something that black republicans love to [2:33:59] say myself i i like the republican i used to like the republican party a lot i don't have a demo like [2:34:05] a walkaway story i've never been a democrat but now i'm politically homeless because of these types of [2:34:09] issues specifically from the black ones all right from the conservatives so what i want you to [2:34:15] understand is that systems are just people right so um people basically racism is when a person [2:34:22] institutes a policy that discriminates against black people okay he can or is or does something [2:34:29] in a system that affects disproportionately black people you don't even gotta throw in the disproportionate [2:34:34] stuff that that can do a lot of work sometimes so let's just say racism is when a a policy maker a [2:34:39] person in one of these systems does something to affect black people based on the color of their skin [2:34:45] based on the fact that they're black if systems are just people and the more people you have in the [2:34:49] the way their goals then the more systemic racism you will experience because if i'm if i am if i am [2:34:54] a white judge right and i have my race thinking toward black people um i i am in a system for sure am [2:35:00] i not yes i am i'm a judge i make decisions for other people i put away i let go free i file i accept [2:35:07] motions i deny motions i'm in the system i am a a core feature of the system so if a black person comes in [2:35:13] and i don't like and i decide that day that i don't want that to walk free or i don't want to [2:35:19] get this a lighter sentence than i would give the white person that would constitute systemic racism [2:35:24] why because it's a person in the way of my goals which is to get free and he's discriminating against [2:35:29] me because of this color in my skin so when you dumb say and not just not you but who make this [2:35:34] argument and stand by and die on the hill that there is no systemic racism and then when i ask you [2:35:39] what a system is you don't have an answer it's like that goes to show me that you you're into [2:35:43] talking points and not arguments so that's all i want to say about that systemic racism absolutely [2:35:48] exists and i am a black conservative telling you real quick real quick real quick yeah that was [2:35:54] about a hundred i'm sorry that was about uh a minute and a minute 20 seconds just just letting [2:36:00] you know that was about a minute and 20 minutes and 30 seconds i kind of time that in my head so [2:36:03] it's probably not fully accurate but that was about a minute minute and a half now you have the floor [2:36:08] okay so you can't argue that this country is systemically racist when at the height of all [2:36:15] those policies and stuff black people were doing better in the 1940s to the 1960s we had we had more [2:36:23] families we had less children out of wedlock we had less debt we had more home ownership we had less [2:36:30] crime at the height of all the racist ass policies black people were on the track to surpass white people [2:36:37] literally at the height of all the races in the country black people were on the trajectory to [2:36:43] surpass white people as the most predominantly successful but when we got rid of all that we [2:36:51] all started falling off we got the highest we got the highest child out of wedlock rate we got the highest [2:36:57] crime rate per capita we got some of the i won't say we got the highest debt but we are up there when it [2:37:03] comes to debt we got man what else we got we got some of the lowest marriage rates some of the lowest [2:37:10] home ownership rates all the stuff that we was second place in at the height of racism we're not [2:37:17] even in third place in now we're at the bottom now in 2026 black people are almost at the bottom of the [2:37:24] totem pole in america despite all the freedom we got but when we were enslaved not enslaved but in jim crow [2:37:31] and during that whole period black people were the second most second successful in the country [2:37:38] like second most at the height of all that now now what that was about that was about a minute and a [2:37:45] half so that's good you able to you know formulate points in a short amount of time so i do want to [2:37:50] i wanted to get to another point because but i do want to address what you said you never said the [2:37:54] systematic racism didn't exist what you said was during systematic racism there were just points of the [2:38:00] black community where it was better you never said that it didn't exist so that's i don't know what [2:38:05] you were it's now well go ahead yeah yeah yeah so i'm gonna just i'm gonna just do this because i [2:38:12] already addressed this argument actually um so and i'm gonna put it at a two times speed because then [2:38:17] it'll be under a minute so this is the funny thing i'm gonna put it on the screen if you don't mind [2:38:21] this is from my youtube channel sure called systemic racism is absolutely conservative problem [2:38:26] it's systemic racism is a conservative problem bro this was me back in the day can y'all hear it turn [2:38:31] it up turn it up no no no turn it up turn it up so i just need to talk about 1.5 don't do two times [2:38:36] that's way too fast yeah yeah let's get it let's get it let's get it conservatives need to talk about [2:38:43] systemic racism because if we don't then we let the left define what it is this idea that there is [2:38:48] no systemic racism is just obviously false but what do we mean by systemic racism [2:38:51] so a system is an organized pattern of roles rules and decisions enacted by people occupying [2:38:58] positions within institutions systemic racism therefore is racial discrimination produced by the [2:39:03] decisions or practices of people occupying institutional positions of power regardless [2:39:06] of whether those practices are explicit or coordinated having defined our terms things become [2:39:10] very clear very quickly all systems are constituted and operated by people in positions of authority [2:39:15] some people in positions of authority hold racist beliefs or enact racially discriminatory judgments [2:39:19] some systems therefore enact racially discriminatory outcomes that is systemic [2:39:23] racism exists to deny systemic racism is to assert that no racist individuals occupy positions [2:39:27] of institutional authority now to summarize all systems are collections of people in authority [2:39:32] some people in authority are racist some systems involve racist agents all systems are composed of [2:39:38] people exercising discretion through rules offices and enforcement mechanisms the more expensive a system is [2:39:43] the more discretionary power it concentrates across a larger number of actors discretion exercised by fallible [2:39:48] people necessarily increases the probability of bias including racial bias being expressed in outcomes [2:39:53] audrey more complex all right so that's the point that's basically the point y'all smart enough to [2:39:56] get it um but yeah i just wanted to show like bro this is this stuff that we dealt with already [2:40:00] and the main in the in the last thing i wanted to say just like you're you're you're not gonna say [2:40:05] why stuff goes like like basically why our birth rates uh like our uh out of way like i don't worry why [2:40:11] yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah so what it was the civil rights it was the civil rights act of 1964 correct [2:40:16] yeah uh johnson wasn't supposed to be johnson right that's a that's a systematic that's a systematic issue [2:40:23] then right exactly so i said now the moment you name a cause now well i would i would argue that [2:40:30] immigration is a systematic racism against black americans 100 would you disagree with that republican i i i [2:40:36] wouldn't disagree with that so then that means that you agree believe in systematic racism taji prove [2:40:40] this point thank you but i'm saying i said now i said at some point now that's now immigration is an [2:40:46] issue in black against black america now that's one of the main things that i speak about personally [2:40:50] because i don't like immigration immigration is something that specifically and you're a republican [2:40:55] so you should agree with this that the democratic party stands on so with that being the case and i'm [2:40:59] not a democrat taji's not a democrat you're not a democrat so we're sitting here arguing systematic [2:41:04] racism we don't give a what side i came from the democratic order republicans me i say both so [2:41:09] that means that if if you believe that immigration is an issue that affects black americans and you're [2:41:13] republican so then that means that you would agree that systematic racism is a true thing because [2:41:17] immigration directly affects black americans more than any other group in this country and i'm aware [2:41:23] of that but so do you agree that systematic racism exists yes or no i don't agree that it exists [2:41:30] currently in 2026 and you gotta get you gotta get off the talking points bro that's wild to me [2:41:35] that's absolutely insane that's absolutely 26 that's absolutely what you just willfully don't [2:41:41] want to take the l brother and it's all good but did i did i not say it don't exist now i'm saying [2:41:47] that no i'm saying that it exists now immigration we do have an immigration problem right now especially [2:41:52] in black america we 100 have an immigration problem right now yes we do yeah just look at the the [2:41:57] venezuelans in chicago bro just look at it we 100 have an immigration problem right now you're a [2:42:02] republican so as a republican you're saying that america don't have an immigration issue no i'm not [2:42:07] saying we don't have an immigration issue let me ask you what what i'm saying that the immigration [2:42:13] issue that we're dealing with right now there are no policies in place that keep us from enacting [2:42:19] whatever we want to do in america as black people in 2026 no policy in place even in policy in regards to [2:42:26] immigration no no no so you're saying so you're saying you're saying systematic racism is only something [2:42:31] that says that it's distinguishable to say black or colored or negro is not allowed to do something [2:42:38] because i'm not okay then i don't want you to think that i'm arguing that either because i'm not [2:42:41] what i'm arguing is there are policies that are that are set up that disproportionately affect black [2:42:48] americans specifically immigration is one of those issues i can name other ones immigration is 100 one of [2:42:54] those another uh thing that i would bring up another thing is abortions that's another thing that i [2:42:59] would say is that oh yeah that's because that that's stuff that's specifically pushed on black [2:43:04] so it's what you said but but thank you that's that's ethnocide right i would say abortions i would [2:43:09] say immigration i would say even government assistance in some cases because government [2:43:13] assistance keeps people not wanting to expand themselves so you have to rely on the government [2:43:17] which is for the democratic party republican so what it tells me so then you so then are you saying [2:43:24] basically you saying you agree with all this but you're saying that this is not a this is not an [2:43:28] effect of systematic racism in america that disproportionately affects black americans [2:43:32] that makes it harder for black americans to succeed and no let before before you answer the question [2:43:37] no i am not saying that black americans should be inexcusable for our own faults if any i got people [2:43:43] don't even with me because i call out black americans for the bs that we do the crime the hyper [2:43:48] sexualization all i talk about all of that don't get it twisted i don't know people how long you've [2:43:52] been watching my channel i'm not one of those victim i can't be successful because i'm black and my [2:43:56] skin color is holding me back my skin color is holding me back about you know i'm saying i have [2:44:00] my mother my father in my life the point that i'm making to you is are you saying but even though [2:44:05] i'm a conservative i can still understand that systematic racism exists and those are current [2:44:09] examples of that are you saying that that's not systematic racism to me what systematic racism is [2:44:15] when you don't have a choice like jim crow we didn't have a choice i don't have a choice i don't [2:44:20] have a choice when you've got a choice to not get an abortion you got a choice to not [2:44:25] i don't have a choice when they go when it when a judge sits in front of me and can give me less [2:44:31] time based on the same circumstances that another person has um that he gave that person with a [2:44:37] different skin color to me i don't have a choice when i don't have a choice when it when it when a [2:44:43] judge does that that's the clue do you agree let me ask you do you agree with the six the [2:44:47] with the 1360 argument that 13 percent of the population commit commit 60 percent of the ground [2:44:52] violent crime yeah you think that that's true you think that okay i want to break that down bro [2:44:58] i would let it break that down so i would let it break that down i grew up in cleveland cleveland [2:45:02] is just as bad if not worse but i want to break that down way worse memphis is probably a little [2:45:07] worse but cleveland is just as bad and we're a smaller city so per capita it probably is worse but cleveland [2:45:11] in memphis but but i i just want to i just want to i just want to hammer this this point home too [2:45:17] like because you're saying that oh well uh systemic racism uh doesn't exist today and then you're [2:45:22] listing off policies from the 60s where systemic racism obviously existed and then um also uh the [2:45:28] 1980s you have to consider as well but like let's just say you don't want to consider the 80s and the [2:45:32] 90s where first the republicans gave us the uh the war on drugs and then the democrats gave us [2:45:38] mass incarceration okay so so so so let's just let's just take the the 80s and 90s out let's just [2:45:43] go back to the 60s that gives us 62 years removed from systemic racism so our we have grandparents [2:45:50] and in some cases parents who live through these issues through these policies still to this day [2:45:55] still alive 62 year old people so it's like 80 year old people even 90 year old people even so you're [2:46:00] telling me that like uh the effects of what they did in the 60s don't exist today come on now that don't [2:46:05] make sense we still got people who are who are functioning adults who live through that time [2:46:09] so then and then and then and then if you add in the 80s the the war on drugs in the crack era then [2:46:15] that that cuts that down to 40. and then if you add on mass incarceration that adds that that cuts it [2:46:20] down to 30. black black americans have only been free by your standard and uh free of systemic racism [2:46:26] to be specific by your standard for 30 years my like i have my grandmother my grandmother's like 70 [2:46:32] something so that means that for majority of her life by your standard she's been over by the us [2:46:37] government so now you said so so so now you're telling me that systemic racism doesn't doesn't [2:46:42] exist for that person it absolutely does that probably hindered her or at least yeah it didn't [2:46:47] make easier for her uh on her rise up out of slavery up out of poverty up out of all the things that that [2:46:52] black people are faced in this country so it just comes off as calloused when you talk like that you [2:46:56] dehumanize us when you talk like that if white people i'll tell yes you are because a core feature [2:47:02] of human identity is like victimhood black people like every person starts as a victim the baby comes [2:47:09] out of a womb crying for his mother's milk it's a victim to it's suffering for food it literally like [2:47:15] that's a core i like part of your identity and your like growth and development like that's why kids [2:47:20] think that they're the center the center of the world and the reason why i bring this up is that because [2:47:25] even for for all the i can say about what white people did that was up i can't say that [2:47:29] when i look at different white ethnicities that they ain't been victims to something they've been [2:47:33] victims of something it's just not my concern because i'm not white but and so and so and and [2:47:38] and they're not expected to deny their history but whenever a black person talks about their history [2:47:42] and talk about the effects of history today uh we are told to deny our history and that is [2:47:46] dehumanization because the tragedy is that man is born a child and just to put this in more like [2:47:52] concrete philosophical terms what is a person a person is something with a past a present and a [2:47:59] future because if you don't have a future you're dead and if you don't have a past that you never [2:48:04] happen so that means that a person is something with the past present and future or at least something [2:48:08] with the beginning middle and end so why is it that i that i'm expected to be cut off from my past [2:48:14] and the effects that my past have on where i am in this moment and where i am going in the future [2:48:19] so this is why i say that y'all dehumanize black people when y'all try to limit the effects of what [2:48:25] this country did to us you're literally dehumanizing me you're cutting me off you're fragmenting me from [2:48:30] the whole of who i am brother can i explain why absolutely you can give your perspective and this [2:48:36] is why i disagree with that because during your grandmama's youth in the 40s 60s 70s or i'll say early [2:48:43] 70s the the the discrimination and the laws and policies put in place they had no choice but to [2:48:50] follow those but after we after lyndon b johnson did the civil rights act everything that he enacted [2:48:57] to manipulate us it was a choice to do welfare was a choice our women chose to kick man at the house to [2:49:05] get their welfare check from the white man abortions are a choice women don't have to go through abortions [2:49:12] women don't have to be in a situation to where they fit outside of rape outside of rape that's [2:49:17] different but women don't have to force themselves to get abortion they can get with somebody who [2:49:21] they can marry and have a family dude i don't disagree with that by the way yeah oh good and [2:49:27] then went and dudes like the crime bill era the coke era men black men they was not forced to sell [2:49:34] coke they was not forced to sell dope they were not forced to do any of those things but they did [2:49:40] but i don't i want to say this i don't disagree with that but again this is where you get into [2:49:44] the situation where you don't like to add context this is what i mean so it's like i'll use this [2:49:49] example and taji might not like this because it's gonna sound dehumanizing but it's true if you if you [2:49:55] take a uh uh let me let me not even use that example i'll just use another example if you only [2:50:01] have access to what you have access to can you get upset the person or try to blame the person if that's [2:50:06] all they have access to by using said access that's available what i mean by that is the same [2:50:11] policies that you're saying so i'm not disagreeing with you that it is it it is a choice sure because [2:50:16] we're humans and we have the ability to make decisions i'm not disagreeing with that but when [2:50:22] you put someone in a situation and you tell them hey these are your few options that you have to choose [2:50:26] from and then but but and then out of those few options you tell them that and most of those options [2:50:31] are probably not the best options probably options gonna affect them affect their families affect the [2:50:35] children affect history whatever it may be and then you tell them that hey well you chose that [2:50:39] option well hey you just a dumb i don't know how to do nothing you made a choice to be on some boys [2:50:44] i i think you're missing the the context to this situation that just because people [2:50:51] i don't think you are because you're not adding a context [2:50:56] i'm gonna add it so wait wait wait wait here's the thing before you go again i got to address what you [2:51:01] said because i agree with it i thought i was gonna disagree with him more but i'm gonna i'm gonna do what [2:51:06] i do which is like philosophize it more so really like bring it out so like ant is talking about [2:51:12] free will right and he's talking about the fact that like somebody's presenting you two choices [2:51:16] and you have to decide which one is the right one but given your circumstance and the structural [2:51:21] violence that you experience your choice is going to be affected not everything marx's [2:51:26] mark said was wrong your material conditions absolutely affect your thinking and to bring it more [2:51:31] like like like from the left to center right because now i'm on the left i'm on the my left is [2:51:36] on this side but anyways like um basically uh because now i'm on the left i want to bring it back [2:51:40] to center um because that's where i like to be so you say oh it was all of these things that people did [2:51:46] were were of choice right well if a woman is abused and she decides to stay with a man is it a choice [2:51:53] or is it coercion depending on the type of abuse there's psychological abuse there's financial abuse [2:51:58] where people don't believe that they have the option to leave the people don't believe that they [2:52:02] have any other option this is my only way that i can get out of a situation so um if if abuse is real [2:52:08] and psychological abuse is real and the the psychological psychological effects of literal [2:52:15] projects government projects being set up and systemic injustice being set up against black people [2:52:21] if all that stuff is real then how is it a choice and not coercion it seems like people were [2:52:28] coerced to believe that they only had two choices and i'm not and so and so i'm not here to say [2:52:33] because also if i if i overstate that then i'm also taking people's humanity away by by stripping them [2:52:38] of their will so i'm not going to do that you still you still can make the right choice but we cannot [2:52:43] deny that the pressure is is is more is is more forceful in those situations the same way if a woman [2:52:49] is abused this government absolutely abused black people so the same way that a woman is psychologically [2:52:54] abused and she might not realize her choices her the full extent of her choices is the same way black [2:52:59] americans in those situations specifically in the during the war on drugs um like you can't say [2:53:05] that we we we were not victims of psychological abuse we were and that's all i want to say two two [2:53:09] points even galveston texas when uh when they didn't even know that they were that slavery was [2:53:13] ended they didn't know that that's why that that's that's why we we have juneteenth and galveston [2:53:17] texas they didn't know that the slavery was overweight they found out two years left two years [2:53:20] later they didn't even know so you're gonna say well well you guys had no they genuinely didn't [2:53:25] know even though they could leave if they wanted to uh so i mean i i don't uh it was another point [2:53:30] i wanted to make but i forgot but like choices matter sure but what's in front of your face also [2:53:34] matters and if you don't know you don't know oh i know the other point even in a court of law [2:53:38] coercion is something that you can get prosecuted for it's manipulation you can use even in a court of [2:53:42] law that's why somebody that you know it's not just gonna be black and white well you made a decision [2:53:46] to kill him he made a decision to kill him but did someone threaten you to to do this did someone [2:53:50] threaten you to set this person up or where you was in a car you was driving but what you was a [2:53:54] part of it yeah but were were you taking against your will were there was somebody in the back of [2:53:58] your head because you could have just got shot in the head no someone was forcing you or making you [2:54:02] to make a decision so that's not like that logic matters and there's a famous quote from linda b [2:54:06] johnson and there's a famous quote from linda b johnson that destroys your whole premise and art [2:54:10] he coerced black people out of our political institution he he he used integration as a way [2:54:23] to set up a a lie by the way because there were a higher percentage of republicans that signed the [2:54:28] civil rights act of 94 or 95 i can't remember which one it was because it was two of them but there were [2:54:32] a higher percentage of republicans than democrats that actually signed that bill in the legislation [2:54:37] um per the uh per the congressional record so they he he actually did it based on a lie but he used [2:54:43] the the promise of the civil rights movement to convince people that the democratic black people [2:54:47] specifically with that the democratic party was the party for them and so how is that not coercion [2:54:53] like he's literally doing what he did based on a lie and telling you that that's what he about to do [2:54:58] i'll explain why because we had political leaders back then that was calling this out [2:55:04] that we had president we had malcolm x for i said political leaders see i guess i guess i could say [2:55:11] community leaders malcolm x malcolm x literally warned us about the white liberal before they killed him [2:55:18] he he went into he went and he warned us wait no no no he warned us about the republican too we not about [2:55:23] to try to make malcolm yeah but he did but he said the white liberal was a fox they promised you honey [2:55:30] but it's going only going to give you vinegar like he he made a point that the white liberal [2:55:34] the democrats they promised you honey but they giving you poison we had the knowledge to know [2:55:39] that what lbj was doing came with some backhanded but people made the choice because here's the [2:55:47] thing you said the choice about the other examples y'all gave women had the choice to get free money from [2:55:53] the government and some of those women were in relationships and a lot of those men made the [2:55:59] choice to basically remove themselves from the household so that they lady can get a check but [2:56:05] what they didn't realize the they didn't realize the long-term effects of that and then you talk [2:56:10] about the coke thing black people had a choice to make money besides selling coke and then getting [2:56:16] prosecuted by that crime bill and i'll explain what time was that because what time was that what [2:56:20] year is you speaking talking about when black folks were selling coke and all that what year [2:56:26] no no what you said we had a choice to not sell coke and all that what year do black people have all [2:56:30] these other opportunities to make money what what years or what time oh talking about the 80s and 90s [2:56:34] okay so that was after the industrialization right which is the late 60s early 70s [2:56:40] i mean yeah you know what the industrialization is the industrialization when they basically taking [2:56:45] away all the manufacturing yeah and even more so not even just manufacturing not even just jobs not [2:56:50] even just plants uh also what you learn in school like when you learn in school like you do realize [2:56:55] i always mention this point but a lot of a lot of the the men specifically they would come out of high [2:57:00] school with a certificate in welding with a certificate and being in a mechanic or whatever [2:57:03] it may be so they can go straight from their high school they don't have to go to college they can go [2:57:06] straight from their high school go work at a job that's in their local area and provide for their [2:57:10] families they started to remove that out of the schools in their late 60s early 70s because they like [2:57:14] why are these blacks still able to take care of their families why are these blacks still getting married [2:57:19] why are these blacks still have opportunity other than just going out here committing crimes selling [2:57:22] drugs so that's where that started at so well at least what i'm not saying is that that you still [2:57:28] don't have a choice that you have a choice because you're a human but i'm also saying that context [2:57:32] matters and that's the whole entire thing i've been trying to tell you this entire conversation [2:57:37] you can't make that argument when in the 1940s 50s and 60s we were the number two in the country [2:57:43] what you ain't gonna tell me back in they didn't discriminate wait wait wait wait we already spoke [2:57:48] about the no man in the house we already spoke about the no man you ain't gonna tell me that [2:57:52] they didn't discriminate against the black welder back in the 40s 50s but but but but that was [2:57:58] that was that was that was after segregation so once we got integrated it was a little bit [2:58:01] different that's not the same thing and also and also the the thing that you're missing too is [2:58:06] like you will mention a policy and then not mention its effects right and so and you also you [2:58:11] also you're getting back into that dehumanization thing again because you're not you're treat you're [2:58:15] basically treating black people as if they can predict the future instead of just exist in it [2:58:20] when they get to it and the reason why i'm saying that is because if there's no father in the home [2:58:24] right like if that's that special republican talking point you want to go with let's let's go with it [2:58:27] right there's no it's no father some of that some of that is true some of that is true right like [2:58:32] there are a lot of single there's a lot of single motherhood going on at this time like little boys [2:58:36] just trying to figure out their own their own way through this life they trying to really figure it [2:58:40] out the policies that were set up did that to them at least in some part maybe they they had some [2:58:47] all time they had autonomy in the situation they could have made a better choice but that is to say [2:58:51] that assumes that they that they would have known how both choices were going to turn out that's point [2:58:56] number one and then that also goes to the that's that's addressing the the 60s to the 80s then [2:59:01] addressing the 80s to the 90s that when when a black man decided to sell coke at that time [2:59:07] what you have to understand is that that he he might not have been able to see the full picture [2:59:13] of what of what was going on so to talk about him in retrospect like oh he should have known better is [2:59:17] like yeah like we know that now because we see the effects of this but back then we don't know you [2:59:23] know what i'm saying until it's too late it's we already worn we already conditioned we already seeing [2:59:28] the the benefits the good the bad and the ugly of the the war on drugs and like the the spread of [2:59:33] cocaine so i'm not and crack specifically i'm not saying that they don't have any culpability i think [2:59:40] selling crack was wrong obviously especially to your own people it don't make no sense for look looking [2:59:45] at it today like but it's like back then i'm in it i'm living it like the moment i think about the [2:59:51] moment the moment is gone i have no conception of the future well i have no certainty of the future [2:59:56] until i get there i can die today you see what i'm saying so that was street life though everybody [3:00:01] wasn't a street thug just out the wound like that but this this is the point i'm basically making bro [3:00:08] like like my granddaddy for example he had five six kids they had three jobs he was able to provide [3:00:16] for him for my grandma didn't have to work and he had six kids to take care of he was a bus driver [3:00:21] a football coach and a photographer and he grew up in that time hey listen listen if he could feed [3:00:30] six miles if you take care of his wife that's all you're being metaracial and by extension [3:00:37] you're being anti-black you're being metaracial and anti-black two things that i really do struggle [3:00:41] with like i can't stand what people do it first of all i'm trying to explain because you're trying to [3:00:46] argue that there are good black people and bad black like you're trying to argue that there's a good [3:00:49] slave and a bad slave no that's not my argument yes you are because you had the working man and [3:00:56] we had the man who wanted quick fast money right which one is better the working man or the one who [3:01:00] won't quick quick fast money the working man right so you're basically so so again you're being [3:01:05] metaracial you're trying to it's like like espouse a set of values onto another black person that you [3:01:11] don't know or understand that you have no no no concrete like attachment to um and trying to make a [3:01:17] judgment about his character that's metaracialism you're being you're you're basically replacing [3:01:22] skin color with like some like abstract values that you can't even quantify like the the the person [3:01:27] that make fast money could be making fast money legally i could be editing i'm talking about in the [3:01:32] context i could be editing videos with ai i'm talking about the company no no what i'm what i'm telling [3:01:39] you is that you're what i'm telling you is that it's anti-black because you're basically trying to say that [3:01:45] like black people should be a certain way versus another way without the full context which is the [3:01:49] whole problem with everything you're saying the problem with everything that you said is that [3:01:55] talking about the drug era dude yes i'm telling you that you wasn't there so you the same way you [3:02:00] told me i couldn't like my scholars couldn't talk about the on the boat i'm telling you that you can't [3:02:04] make a value judgment you can talk about what happened and you can make an opinion based on it but [3:02:09] when it comes to the character of the individuals you don't know those you don't know those black [3:02:13] people so you're holding up what it's like that's why i gave my granddad as an example yeah yeah and [3:02:18] that's like if i use booker t washington as the standard for all black people because he thought [3:02:23] that like that that black people got just as much as white people out of slavery like i'm basically [3:02:27] picking the good slave versus the versus the versus the nat turner and saying that nat turner what [3:02:31] he did it that that didn't make any sense but what um booker t washington did that that made all the [3:02:36] sense in the world that's anti-black that's metaracial because i'm basically not just say it was anti-black dude [3:02:42] all right i don't okay okay i don't know if we're gonna get nowhere because we're running in circles [3:02:47] but i do want to do this i wanted to address and somebody sent something in the chat so i got to [3:02:52] i wanted to address this 1360 argument um so i asked you if you agree with that you said yes [3:02:57] can you break that down for me just so we know that we on the same understanding of what that is [3:03:03] before you break it down i just wanted to uh say i'm gonna go ahead and get off because i i had to [3:03:08] like i had some stuff to do i just got so sucked into this for sure uh this was i definitely will [3:03:14] come back on anytime hey hit me brother hit me for sure hit me hit me for sure that you know that i [3:03:20] got you yep shout out to my god okay so um real quick but yeah i want to i definitely want to address [3:03:29] that conversation and we'll end it up on that uh what show basically your take on the 1360 argument [3:03:35] 13 of the population commits 60 of the crime because when you take the black male population [3:03:42] and you compare it to the other male populations or just populations of people who commit crime [3:03:48] well let me let me include the male and the female because you got to include both of them [3:03:52] but the black male especially commits more crime or the same crime per capita as the white male despite [3:04:01] the white male being two three times larger than the black male how is it that we're racking up the [3:04:07] same number the same crime numbers and we're only 13 of the population it's even less when you include [3:04:14] the black male because that's what uh 6.5 so you're talking about 6.5 of the population is able to equal [3:04:22] out crime numbers to the white male counterpart or the mexican male counterpart despite the fact [3:04:29] they are 40 of the population 30 of the population so when you look at it like that per capita you [3:04:36] can't really argue that we're not responsible for 60 of the crime when we're putting up the same [3:04:43] numbers as the majority of the people in the country so that yeah like i don't know how you [3:04:50] so well i mean i'm gonna tell you how i'm arguing so you know that this when you say 1360 when you [3:04:55] say just off the initial point this is where i would have destroyed charlie kirk in this debate when [3:05:00] you start off and you say 13 commits you're already you're already trying to say that that full 13 [3:05:08] is doing the crime so i understand the argument i guess that maybe what you're trying to make it [3:05:13] you're just saying a part of that race but when you say 13 of the population well that includes the [3:05:20] entire 13 there's almost 50 million black americans in america so when you say 13 you're including the [3:05:26] entire 13 and it just goes more into the point which is just not true and then when you taste when [3:05:31] you say 60 do you know what that 60 is or violent crime or just crime in general they say violent [3:05:39] crime but like do you know that like the context behind that 60 or you do you just genuinely believe [3:05:43] that 60 of that is just violent crime or 60 times people committing crimes go ahead well last time i [3:05:49] looked at it it included assaults assaults with a deadly weapon you know car jackins robbery you know [3:05:56] and yeah i mean it's battery that's that's the crime is that the only context that you want to add [3:06:03] just so we just so we hear is that the only context you want to add is there any context that you want [3:06:08] to add moving forward during this conversation oh let me expand the context yeah please please so i guess [3:06:15] i'll correct myself and say the entire 13 isn't committing 60 of the crime which i mentioned [3:06:21] earlier i said if you because most of the black females ain't committing crime but let's say i'm [3:06:26] focusing on the predominantly black male which is most black men are committing crimes either that's both [3:06:32] most black men and most black women are not committing crimes yeah most black men and black women [3:06:37] aren't committing crimes but the portions that are are committing them at such an extent to where it equals out [3:06:43] to the majority of the country from the white population okay that's my point is that the only [3:06:49] context that you want to add are you sure yeah i'm sure man okay just i'm gonna ask you for a final time [3:06:56] is that the only context you want to add i mean there's reasons why but we discussed with the other [3:07:03] guy as to why we became criminals and all this stuff okay cool now do you know that 60 percent you know [3:07:09] that there's a difference between conviction convictions convictions and arrest correct yeah i'm aware of [3:07:15] that okay so you do realize of that 60 percent that's not convictions so out of that 60 percent [3:07:21] i mean no no no no no no no what i'm saying is not out of the 60 percent the 60 is not it is not [3:07:30] convictions i might have said it backwards is not convictions those are arrests like i've been [3:07:35] arrested like for example i've been arrested before i have a zero criminal record i have no criminal [3:07:40] record whatsoever but i have been arrested before but because they took me in and they got my [3:07:44] information all that technically i'm on paper as a black arrest but i've never committed a crime i've [3:07:49] never i'm not a criminal i have zero my last name is public anthony bernard gamble the third i was named [3:07:54] that to my father i have zero criminal record anybody can look that up yeah but that arrest that you had [3:07:59] they ain't gonna mark you down as a number for a violent or a violent crime the point is the logic [3:08:06] still applies for violent crimes too i'm just giving you an example of the arrest the logic still applies [3:08:11] for a violent crime as well but if somebody murdered somebody let's say let's say johnny down the street [3:08:18] murder murder murder homeboy right but they ain't got the evidence or they ain't got the evidence to [3:08:23] present in trial that he murdered homeboy but everybody in the hood saw it you can't say that [3:08:29] that stat can be erased when everybody in the hood saw him get arrested and he did get brought to court [3:08:35] because he walked free don't mean that i don't think it's not too far into it brother i'm not [3:08:40] there yet the point that i'm making is let's use that example you said johnny if johnny whoever his [3:08:44] name is johnny committed said crime and the whole hood saw it well you know let's go with that whole [3:08:49] hood saw what you know the hood get to talking you know sometimes the hood like to snitch sometimes the [3:08:53] hood like to tell people that didn't even have nothing to do with it and be involved in it [3:08:56] so if johnny committed said crime but if five people got arrested for that crime does that mean that [3:09:02] five people murdered somebody or does that mean five people got arrested for one crime or one person [3:09:07] murdered one other person five people got arrested for one crime so we agree to that that convictions [3:09:14] and arrests aren't the same thing because you can get arrested for something but that doesn't [3:09:18] necessarily mean that you can commit a crime but under the paperwork it's going to show that we're [3:09:22] talking about arrests not convictions but it's easy as a republican talker point to just say well 60 of [3:09:28] them are just committing crimes no 60 it's not even close to 60 it's arrests now that's the first [3:09:34] context that i wanted to add the second context i wanted to add is re-arrests so for example let's [3:09:40] say johnny committed stealing something from a store let's say johnny armed robbery whatever it may be [3:09:45] right and it's by the way it's not just violent crime it's all of this crime it's not just violent [3:09:50] crime they like to say that even all crime is the same same exact logic we're gonna get to all that in [3:09:55] the chat i see y'all but it's all it's everything so we're not talking about re-arrest so for example [3:10:00] let's just say aunt ceo i i stole a car right let's say i stole a car i committed grand theft auto i go [3:10:05] to jail i go to jail for a year i get out and let's say i steal another car oh i'll go back to jail and [3:10:11] i go to jail for now two years let's say i steal another car and they gave me three years maybe they [3:10:14] give me 10 years for repeated offender whatever it may be repeated offender so you know what that means [3:10:19] that doesn't mean that three black people arrested or committed a crime that means one black person who [3:10:25] just so happens to me me in an example a black man did said action did said crime but it's going to [3:10:30] show up under arrest records or the conviction records or whatever it may be that this same [3:10:35] thing was it's not going to show that this same thing happened with the same person it's just going [3:10:39] to show that a black person did this a black person did this and a black person did this so it's going [3:10:42] to be presented as this was three separate crimes that three separate black people did when actuality it [3:10:48] was one crime that one black person or it was multiple crimes that maybe one black person did so all i'm [3:10:53] doing is adding context to say and again by the way real quick what i'm not saying is black crime [3:10:57] is not an issue just understand that and it's really no such thing as black crime crime by [3:11:01] proximity but we ain't gonna even go there i ain't gotta go too deep into it i'm not saying that [3:11:04] crime is not an issue nor am i defending crime i don't know if you watch my 45 point presidential [3:11:09] campaign and i'm in a series you can go watch the video i think i should we should be even harder on [3:11:12] criminals i think we should behead half of these and not just because they black just for doing what [3:11:16] they do but that's just my own personal opinion i'm just adding context where it matters [3:11:21] that does not mean that somebody committed three of the three separate people committed a crime [3:11:25] it means that one person may have committed that crime again but again it's going to be presented [3:11:29] as three separate crimes and three separate people do you want to concede to that as well or do you [3:11:32] agree with that as well i agree with that okay okay cool so that's the second concept second form [3:11:39] of context the third form of context is also people who consider themselves black on paper what would [3:11:45] you consider somebody that's biracial white or black i mean i'm sitting black right there we go so a [3:11:51] pirate you know biracials commit crime too but guess what even though they have the equal amount [3:11:54] of black and white guess what you're and the u.s government is going to consider them black even [3:11:59] though they have the equal amount of white so that biracial person can commit a crime but guess what [3:12:03] they're black so that goes under the black statistics especially now you know that they [3:12:06] say that the the the the the the biracial rate is going up because a lot of people are in their [3:12:10] mixing and all of that uh where you go oh i'm sorry uh uh somebody would call me that's all good [3:12:17] but they they say that this this whole biracial thing is going up they say about like i don't know how true it is but they [3:12:21] say like by 2050 the the the the amount of uh interracial relationships gonna be like the [3:12:27] majority of people i hope not but that's what they say so that goes into the context as well not to [3:12:31] mention people who classify themselves as black on on paper sometimes and i don't know if you notice [3:12:36] but puerto rico is a u.s territory but guess what they still do paperwork too some of them identify [3:12:41] as blacks when i say puerto ricas i mean just latin latin people in general a lot of latinos consider [3:12:45] themselves quote unquote black which they are not right africans they're not really black though [3:12:52] we can get to that obama uh argument too if you want to go there too but they're not really black [3:12:56] but africans caribbeans people who are like of latin descent biracials all of them not not all of [3:13:02] them but a good because i think puerto rico like the majority of them consider themselves white a lot of [3:13:06] mexicans consider themselves white but that's why they have that little caveat they'll say pick a race [3:13:10] and then they'll say are you hispanic or latino it's separate right it's always separate because the the [3:13:14] formulation of that did not come about the same way as it did because it was really just anglos and [3:13:18] black americans and native americans that was already here in america so that's how it started [3:13:21] what i'm making i'm making this point to say you have a lot of people that classify themselves as [3:13:25] black in america and they're not black for example like i can't go to haiti and classify myself as [3:13:30] haitian just because we're the same and there's they don't have a race thing there they classify [3:13:34] themselves as noir which is anybody in haiti if you're there they're gonna call you haitian so it's a [3:13:38] complete it's a complete difference as it is in america compared to if you or me was to go to another [3:13:42] country so i'm adding context to these points to say that the 13 argument is a lot we're also not [3:13:48] mentioning well let's since we made that point are you going to concede to that too do you agree with [3:13:52] that point as well people who classify themselves as black like we because when we use the term like [3:13:57] black crime they're not talking about haitians they're not talking about jamaicans they're not [3:14:00] talking about dominicans they're not talking about nigerians they're not talking about senegalese [3:14:03] people who may be in america they're talking about black americans so we are the ones who get the [3:14:07] negative we get we're the ones who get the negative connotations today and which you're a republican [3:14:12] i would think that you would agree with like you know people having separation and people delineating [3:14:16] especially when it comes to their own ethnic group yeah but when the crime stats they not [3:14:20] they're not saying oh the african-american we're going to separate him from the haitian [3:14:25] legal american that's what i'm like exactly oh okay sounds like it's so yeah okay then so if a [3:14:31] haitian american who's here legally commits a crime that's still contributing to the to the uh crime rate [3:14:38] exactly so we agree so we agree that but even but even when we exclude that factor you got to look [3:14:44] at the numbers and black people who commit murders in the country and are black african-american people [3:14:50] and then you compare that to because a lot of black people who come over here from abroad [3:14:55] they don't get involved some do but a lot who come over here brother the argument i'm making is not [3:15:00] majority the argument that i'm making is anecdotal that's i'm making the anecdote argument to say that [3:15:04] this is a caveat notice that i mentioned multiple different points i'm not mentioning one point to [3:15:09] say that this is the same thing i'm mentioning anecdotals to say that all of these anecdotals [3:15:13] add up as a collective so you're agreeing with me yeah sure most of the immigrants that come over [3:15:18] from other countries don't get into crime but some of them do so they still should be had they still [3:15:23] should be brought up in the conversation we talk about black crime because context matters [3:15:26] re-arrest matters uh uh uh people how you identify matters uh uh uh uh uh not re-arrest but getting [3:15:35] arrested for the same or getting arrested in general matters i'm adding context to the situation [3:15:39] so i'm not saying that the majority don't come over here and commit crimes i i know that this is [3:15:44] all i'm saying like like what i'm saying you can go to your point but i don't think you i i think you [3:15:50] you're trying to we're not disagreeing but go ahead i know i know we're not disagreeing the reason [3:15:56] why i overall agree with the 1360 rule i might not use that exact number but i overall do agree that [3:16:02] black people commit the majority of the violent crime that we're making that wouldn't but we're [3:16:07] not arguing who create who commits most of the violent crime that's not the argument the argument [3:16:11] is about is 1360 accurate and i'm saying that 1360 is not accurate because there's context that [3:16:17] matters you just agreed to the first two points that i made about uh rear or three points you agree [3:16:22] about the rearrest and you agreed about convictions now and you also agreed about you even explained [3:16:27] it back to me that a haitian american is not going to be considered a haitian american under the crime [3:16:31] stat it's just going to say black so if a person that got over here last year from haiti no disrespect [3:16:35] to the haitians by the way if a person got over here last year from haiti and they committed a crime [3:16:40] that guess what that's black crime still that's the only point that i'm making okay i get that all i'm [3:16:45] saying is uh the 1360 me personally i might not use that exact number but the whole premise around [3:16:53] the argument that they make when they say 1360 i agree with the whole premise that black americans [3:16:59] do the majority of the crime despite us being the minority of the population we can [3:17:06] per capita sure but i don't know why you keep bringing that up i don't know why you keep bringing [3:17:10] it up because i never said that that's not the case no no i know you said it's not the case i'm [3:17:14] just saying like but it's like we both agree okay well i'll just say this i'll i'll give you your [3:17:21] your props on the 1360. i don't agree with that specifically but i agree with the premises that some [3:17:27] republicans use when they say it they might need to alter how they say it but i agree with republicans [3:17:33] when they say that we're responsible for the majority the stat eating even in and of itself is [3:17:38] incorrect that's why i broke it down one by one so when you say i agree when they say it well how can [3:17:44] you agree when they say it if you disagree with the first three points that i made about that it's [3:17:48] literally context that matters and again this is my issue with you that the entire conversation we've [3:17:52] been having when i was here taj was here now that he left it's it's like context doesn't matter to you [3:17:56] it's like you hear these blanketed statements you just run with it you just agreed to me agree with [3:18:00] me that three different points you agree with and then you say well i still agree that 1360 is real [3:18:06] because what they mean is black people commit majority of the crime black people if you're [3:18:11] arguing raw numbers no it's actually white people but you want to argue per capita sure if you want [3:18:15] to argue per capita i'm not disagreeing with that i'm adding on the fact that context matters in 1360 [3:18:21] because that's a lying step that a lot of people throw out is not true and you just said i still [3:18:26] believe it well how can you believe something that's not true no i was i was saying i believe the [3:18:31] premise that they pushed behind it i wouldn't use the premises off of a lot of it brother i don't [3:18:36] want to go ahead i'm gonna cut you off but yeah the premise ain't based on a lie because when you [3:18:41] looking at it per capita and then even when you just say as a whole as america let's go to the 80s and 90s [3:18:49] to this point that's that's when the black crime exploded in the 80s and 90s to 2026. if we look at [3:18:55] the period from the 80 90s all the way to 2026 in the 80s and 90s i would argue and bet money that [3:19:02] 60 of the shootings in america was coming predominantly from black people would you want [3:19:07] to bet right now we want to bet right now i mean we can check no no no i'm saying like would you [3:19:12] would you want to bet i'm a man on my work would you want to bet how much you want to bet right now [3:19:15] oh i mean i ain't gonna bet on that why not you believe it why not bet right now next week [3:19:21] got nothing but you believe it hold on wait you said i would bet and i'm saying let's bet and you [3:19:27] saying rent do so that's like what you mean we can bet yeah i ain't got time to lose i'm confident [3:19:32] but i ain't confident but if you truly confident then let's bet why are you trying to give me the [3:19:38] bet on here i didn't bring up the bet you brought up the bet brother i didn't bring them the bet i was [3:19:45] i didn't mean literally bet i was just saying i would bet i'm a bet i'm not a betting man but i'll bet on [3:19:50] this well let me say i would concur i would guess let me let me change the word i i would guess that [3:19:59] in the 80s and 90s and i would say early 2000 when this was sagging that the majority of the shootings [3:20:05] and violent crime was it probably would be 60 percent coming from black people in 2026 no but [3:20:15] 2026 it might not be a hardcore 60 anymore but i bet it's over 50. i i guess it's over 50. well i would [3:20:25] think that it would probably be higher now because the population is higher i don't know but but that [3:20:33] that was the final point i mean that's all i got no no i got more points to make i got more points to [3:20:37] make oh okay i'll say after those i'm gonna have to check out okay well hold on hold on hold on real [3:20:50] quick what been up since 4 a.m man just by the way i did i i did look it up i did look it up just [3:21:00] to just to just to bring up the the facts behind it uh so of murder and non-negligent uh homicide [3:21:10] the black and again these are arrests these are not convictions by the way these are arrests [3:21:15] we just conclude we just concluded and agreed that arrests and convictions are two separate things [3:21:18] 50 53 between 53 and 56 percent of those were black arrests between 40 43 and 46 percent of those were [3:21:28] white arrests and we can go down and down and down none of these go over 50 or none of these go over [3:21:33] 60. and and this is from murder and non-negligent manslaughter robbery aggravated assault forced [3:21:38] rape and total violent crime combined so none of them go over 60. so you would have been wrong oh okay [3:21:44] okay okay so anybody anybody in here y'all can go look this up anybody in here y'all can go look it [3:21:52] up on your own i'm i'm with y'all can go look it up on your own now uh uh uh we also we also have to [3:22:00] understand this too you know we we which i don't what a lot of these talking points don't talk about is [3:22:05] also uh uh um exonerations that's the point that i'm trying to make exonerations and that the exoneration [3:22:11] rate for black black people in general is like what seven times higher than any other race per capita [3:22:18] so we got to explain that and exonerations means that this person was fully acquitted nothing [3:22:23] happened they did not commit a crime so like that that also goes into that as well and by the way [3:22:28] those stats of arrest don't account for exonerations meaning like if i get arrested for something and i [3:22:33] get tried and i get convicted or not convicted but i get exonerated it's still going to show up that i got [3:22:37] arrested okay i understand that but when it comes to the exoneration now i'm not saying this is all the [3:22:45] cases but we do have to like include the factor of the no snitch rule with the black community [3:22:52] in a lot of those cases it probably was a scenario where the person didn't want to take a stand [3:22:58] or they couldn't find witness because the no snitch rule let me ask let me ask you this do you think [3:23:03] is uphold the snitch rule more or not uphold the snitch rule you think snitch or don't snitch more what [3:23:08] do you think they do once they get in there and once they get them years you think is more likely to [3:23:11] snitch or are they more likely in our generation yeah no no no because this statistic is a new [3:23:19] statistic so you can't say well back 40 years ago no we're talking about this statistic today because [3:23:23] this is something that modern republicans like to use so we're going to keep it on modern times [3:23:26] within the last 20 years i'll say my time when it comes to to anybody under 21 no no no no no no no [3:23:34] we're talking about the whole scope from 15 years old all the way up until 85 years old you think that [3:23:44] the majority of black men or black people who get in there and hear them years and hear what they [3:23:49] facing you think they uphold the no smith rule or they in their snitch now you from mississippi you [3:23:56] brought up memphis and all this other because yeah so it's like it's it depends on who you if you're [3:24:01] dealing with a young person you're talking to we're speaking of majority we're not talking about [3:24:05] anything in this specific conversation it's like you you know i'm right but you just don't want to [3:24:12] you don't want to concede no i'm not saying you're not right i'm not saying you're not right because [3:24:18] it's like if you talking about the y-n's they they probably snitching these old be snitching dude you [3:24:23] don't think these old be snitching that's where it came from these old be snitching these ain't uphold [3:24:29] none these old be snitching i'm gonna say the majority of the old upheld it how you what how you know [3:24:35] come on really getting wet for it what you mean you think the majority of these old uphold the the [3:24:44] the the the foundation of not snitching yeah because it's like what's the what why you gonna get freedom [3:24:50] just to get gunned down a day later because you snitched so that's a lot of old heads thought [3:24:55] the youngsters don't get no because it's like they don't get off they gonna they gonna find a way to [3:25:01] to balance you know i'm not saying i'm not saying that the old did it less i'm saying or i already [3:25:07] did it more i'm saying that they still i'll give you a point today in modern times if we count the [3:25:13] majority and the majority of folks committing crimes or all the why ends yeah majority of them snitching [3:25:18] i i get it okay uh so we now that doesn't take away from the full exoneration point by the way that [3:25:27] doesn't take away from that that's just another sub point that you want to bring up but that doesn't [3:25:30] take away from an exoneration point yeah it was just it was just some concepts i wanted to add but [3:25:37] i mean i can't debunk your point i can't debunk it it is what it is but i just yep so okay so after [3:25:44] this conversation um do you still believe that 13 of the population commits 16 60 of the crime or do [3:25:52] you believe that there is a sub portion of that 13 who is a sub portion and it's not 60 of the crime [3:26:00] it's arrests and convictions are what matters more not arrests have you ever been arrested [3:26:07] hey i've been arrested you know did they take you in for book they took me in for booking the videos [3:26:12] on my page i got it i got they did they did the same thing yeah so that means you got arrested [3:26:18] do you have a criminal record i don't know about you but i don't you ain't got no criminal records so [3:26:22] guess what you still under that stat of a black man i got arrested even though you ain't got no criminal [3:26:27] record just like i don't yeah i get that but we ain't arguing black people getting arrested [3:26:32] we were arguing black people committing crimes no we're arguing black people committed arrested [3:26:36] because you argue with the initial point was 16 30. this or i'm sorry the initial point was 1360. [3:26:42] the 1360 that 60 involves arrested brother it involves a rose so if that's the case then i'll [3:26:48] just admit i'm wrong i didn't know that specifically okay just a random arrest i didn't know that yes [3:26:53] they include it includes all that if they bring you in now obviously there's situations where they [3:26:58] arrest you they'll feel like and then they'll just let you go but when they book you in they booked me [3:27:02] in i went there i had to sit in a cell they took my fingerprint on my name all that i am under the [3:27:08] stat as a black arrest even though i have never could have committed a crime i am a law-abiding citizen [3:27:12] i don't do nothing nobody and i get that but we do gotta acknowledge that you say it was 53 i mean 53 [3:27:21] no no that was arrest that was arrest that was again we're not that again this is i'm i'm gonna [3:27:25] show you too this is arrest brother and you can see it at the top you might have to i don't know [3:27:29] if you can see but if anybody that's on live you can see this you might have to make it a lot like [3:27:32] less blurry i'll try to zoom in a little bit i'll try to bring it back i don't know but this is [3:27:36] arrest this is not this is not convictions it says the the whole it says black share of arrest white [3:27:42] share of arrest so black people are arrested more than whites sure 100 i don't disagree with that [3:27:47] but arrest should not be labeled as a conviction arrest should not be labeled as a crime you [3:27:51] committed that's my point okay i i understand that i'm just saying if they were arrested for [3:27:58] violent crime or any crime like rape or in general and you said that number was 53 [3:28:06] then the 60 number is not like it's not like republicans who are saying they are just vastly off [3:28:12] no no no you're still not getting to do the i'm talking about arrests so it wouldn't matter if the [3:28:18] number was it wouldn't matter if the number was 99. the point of the matter is arrests are not [3:28:23] convictions so whether it was 60 20 80 90 100 arrests are not convictions and that's my point okay well [3:28:32] the rest are not convictions i'll concede on that point the only thing i gotta say in regards to that [3:28:38] 1360 rule they couldn't they can exclude if they want people to believe them more and if i want republicans [3:28:45] to be believed more republicans should probably break the number down further exactly we agree [3:28:51] 100 yeah charlie kirk and charlie kirk didn't do that charlie kirk didn't do that a lot and the [3:28:56] original conversation came from that video charlie kirk didn't do that and when you lie when you yeah [3:29:01] when you lie about numbers i don't like that don't lie about numbers especially when you're supposed [3:29:05] to be a debater don't lie about numbers bring context to numbers especially we're supposed to be [3:29:08] someone like him who's a political figure and and who's a debater don't lie about numbers because i [3:29:13] wouldn't do that even with the white crime you know white crime is not as high as it is because [3:29:17] a lot of arabs and mexicans consider themselves white you know that yeah i know they'd be adding [3:29:23] on uh mexicans as white like i saw do you believe the white crime that is actually lower than what [3:29:27] they actually put out there i mean yeah because i've seen examples of them looking at a colored person [3:29:34] saying white man did this and i'm like what oh so you understand that caveat but it's harder for you [3:29:40] that i know i get what you're saying from the i get what you're saying from the black perspective [3:29:45] yeah but when you said that charlie kirk was lying about it i'm like because you got 1360 is a lie [3:29:54] it's a lot 100 is a lot if the number change if the correct number ain't 1360 but let's say it's like [3:30:00] 10 53. it's not even close to that nope it's not even close to that the correct number you just said it [3:30:06] okay because we again they always they always quantify black males what percentage of of black [3:30:12] people 6.5 6.5 right now what a percentage of that 6.5 is actually doing crime let's actually look [3:30:17] it up let's actually see let's ask gbt and i'm i'm just you know what i'm saying let's ask gbt [3:30:23] we'll do this on live i'll turn it up what percentage of what what percentage of black people [3:30:33] are black males specifically in the u.s black men typically make up a little under half of the [3:30:39] black population in recent census data black males account for around 47 to 48 of the black american [3:30:47] population the remainder of course is predominantly black women now with that number what percentage [3:30:53] of those black men have have been convicted of a violent crime but that's just that's the part [3:31:00] who have been i'll pause it hold on what now i don't see see that's the part like the conviction [3:31:05] part that's that now i understand that sometimes people will get arrested for a crime they didn't [3:31:11] commit but sometimes you have people who are guilty of the crime who walk away from the conviction [3:31:16] so that's why i can't fully just submit to that conviction but that's not but that's not the [3:31:22] overwhelming majority in america the majority of people who commit a crime are going to get convicted [3:31:26] of that crime we're not in a third world country like mexico and i don't know if you know about [3:31:30] mexican stats but like 90 of the violent crime in mexico or crime in general mexico because [3:31:34] doesn't even get they don't even get convicted we're not a third world country brother we got [3:31:38] the fbi cia we got all type of data and all of this stuff that prove anything that you can do so [3:31:43] we're not a third world country we don't we don't have access to into technology to get people [3:31:46] convicted of crimes no i understand that that's why i mentioned the factor of the snitch rule earlier [3:31:52] i'm just saying when you said that the majority of that crime stat that you quoted was from arrest [3:31:58] and not convictions i'm saying that the arrest factor is still important even if it is is what [3:32:04] 53 because some people who actually did the crime even though they didn't get convicted they were [3:32:11] arrested because they actually did this this crime for everybody to see still but then still we'll be [3:32:17] back at square one because if it was one crime let's just say for example it was murder but 10 people [3:32:21] got arrested for that murder but they didn't find they didn't find anybody at the end of the day [3:32:26] one of the people who got arrested for that murder was the person who did the crime so if we removed [3:32:30] that we're still at a higher rate of arrest for absolutely no reason i mean in new york city they [3:32:37] have stop and frisk just by looking at you you look suspicious i'm gonna go ahead and pat you down and [3:32:42] see if you got something going on i mean black so black young black males are overwhelmingly going to be [3:32:48] looked at as criminals regardless i mean it's busy videos it is you can see all this on x all this of [3:32:53] like them recording the cops walking up to you looking you up and down checking you they don't do that to [3:32:56] white kids they don't do that to white kids i mean the original police were slave catchers [3:33:00] they're all you're already demonized no matter what and again i am not taking away from crime [3:33:04] again go watch my 45 point document that i broke down on live about my policies if i was an american [3:33:09] if i was a dictator if i was a president i would go harder on crime the point that i'm making is you [3:33:14] still need to add context to these numbers and these facts that these people that the republican side [3:33:19] more so love to throw around because it's not true context matters now do you want to get back to [3:33:25] this or you still want to respond to that point i'll respond to that point the context does matter [3:33:31] and i'll admit so if we talking about charlie kurt quoting that 1360 rule that and specifically you [3:33:37] can say he lied about but i wouldn't worry that he lied i would word it as he just didn't go in depth [3:33:44] and broke down the numbers that's how i would worry when charlie kurt was giving out that quote because [3:33:49] charlie kurt to me was not a racist i watched hours and hours of his content and he was not throwing [3:33:55] out stats to demonize or make black people look mad or just but just blatantly lie like he probably [3:34:02] just read this stat and just read the definition from it not definition but the information around [3:34:08] it he probably didn't go out his way to divide it by two and 6.5 with a male population and all that [3:34:16] he just quoted the stat that the government gave so when charlie kurt quoted that that ain't him just [3:34:22] lying that's just him giving out the information that he received like he ain't just going out his [3:34:27] way like oh i know that actually it's 6.5 and they're only doing 53 and out of that 53 it's just [3:34:35] the rest and not convictions like charlie wasn't thinking about that and i don't know for sure but [3:34:41] i would take a good guess he wasn't thinking like that you get what i'm saying but okay so do you [3:34:47] think is it a true the same logic applies on the flip side uh 29 of the population gets uh commits [3:34:56] or yeah do you believe in the 29 70 rule when it comes to whites 29 70 what's their rule that 29 of [3:35:06] whites commit 70 percent of 29 of whites get arrested for all crime oh 29 of whites get arrested for all [3:35:15] crime or 29 of the population get arrested for all crime because that of that population is white [3:35:22] uh or really we would i mean and that's specific to the men that's only specific to the men if we [3:35:29] are women and if we add the women that 29 will go even go up even higher because the majority of the [3:35:34] population of white people in america are women hold on hold on hold on the number will go up to like [3:35:40] like 50 or 60. so it would be like 60 commit 70 i don't think you would agree with that one would [3:35:47] you or would you like to add context with that because that's the white side of it yeah i wouldn't [3:35:51] necessarily i i think it's probably more than 29. that's just white males it is more that's just [3:35:58] white males if you add the women it'd be more because that's why i'm saying that 13 is just the [3:36:03] full entire population of black americans but if you had the full entire population of white americans [3:36:08] which they make up it's good the number is going down but they make up about 60 i don't know like i [3:36:12] think it's let me see they make up about they make up about 64 of the population so that wouldn't be so [3:36:21] i'm saying would you agree with that because it's like 60 gets 60 of the population gets arrested for [3:36:26] like 60 of all crime i mean yeah i mean i couldn't really the only the only thing that would make me [3:36:35] question the number is like white people who own lawyers or something probably getting exonerated to [3:36:41] where you know they didn't commit that's like the only thing that would make me think is possibly [3:36:45] higher because i i don't think it would be 29 i think it's probably somewhere around if i were [3:36:52] guessing involved i would probably say maybe 40 30 something regardless of regardless of the fact [3:36:57] the main point is even with white crime the crime is not it's not accurate because at the end of the [3:37:02] day the initial point is about arrests it is not about convictions and when you speak and you say 13 [3:37:10] when the 13 percent like 99 of black people are not committing a violent crime do you know that like [3:37:19] yeah i thought it was not the majority so then why so then so then why is the conversation starting [3:37:24] off at 13 though why does that need to be the way to do a 13 commit 60 well no it's not 30 it's actually [3:37:30] like probably like one one percent and then of that one percent it's not even for one percent it's probably [3:37:35] like a percentage of one percent and then of that percentage of the one percent we're not added to [3:37:39] account of rearrest people who identify as black that aren't actually black we're not talking about [3:37:44] people who got uh who who got arrested and actually didn't get convicted and we're not taking to [3:37:48] account people who got exonerated so that's the point that i'm making so the 13 13 60 is not accurate [3:37:53] even the 60 isn't even after it it's actually like it's actually like 53 if we just added on arrests the [3:37:58] number is just pushed up to make it sound worse that's the point that i'm making that title is just [3:38:02] incorrect in in its entirety is the point that i'm making okay well i i agree with you on that specific [3:38:08] point the only disagreement i have is that charlie was pushing that stat with a negative [3:38:14] like he was but we can agree to disagree on that he was but that's yeah we arguing semantics at that [3:38:19] point last okay so you so you are you can see it in that now you're going to make sure that those [3:38:24] contexts get added when you hear that toggle point the 1360 is not actually real and if you don't [3:38:27] believe you can look any of this up brother this ain't just stop making it i believe i believe like [3:38:32] when you break it down like that like yeah it would make more sense for it to be like 6.5 or like i'll [3:38:38] concede on that fact it'll be like one it'll be like one but all right next last point last point [3:38:44] you think oh brock obama was black hell no he just sold it then we agree then we agree [3:38:50] so we agree on something at least we agree on something we both would know that that man ain't [3:38:54] black he kenyan and white all right well i appreciate you coming up you know what i will [3:38:58] say i'm gonna give you your respect because you you you came up and uh we we had a little you know [3:39:03] i'm saying we had a little one too you know i'm saying we had a little issue whatever it is but [3:39:07] we man we get through it and you you although i think that you argue in terrible faith [3:39:13] at the end of the day you came up here you got on camera and i respect you the majority of these [3:39:18] that sit in my comment section and don't get on camera you got on camera you get your perspective [3:39:23] um and you went kind of look for a little bit of time you went to 2v1 even though that's not what i [3:39:27] wanted but taji addressed you directly so i wanted him to give his perspective to come at you so i [3:39:32] respect you for coming up here and uh at least stand on your team as a man all right appreciate the [3:39:37] opportunity for sure i appreciate you coming up much love and much respect to you all right for [3:39:42] sure