City Council — Mar 6, 2024

Good evening and welcome. The Wednesday, March 6, 2024, City of Plantation City Council meeting is now called to order at 713. Ms. Beggarold, please call the roll. Council Member Anderson. Here. Council Member Andreu. Here. Council Member Fajan. Here. Council Member Horland. Here. Council Member Reinstein. Here. Mayor Sorrell. Here. City Attorney Ezra. Here. Thank you. Thank you. Tonight's opening remarks, Pledge of Allegiance, will be provided by Council Member Andreu. Good evening again. We have some additional students here from Plantation Park Elementary School to lead us in the Pledge of Allegiance. So at this time, the elocution winners from Plantation Park, would you come to the, oh, all right. So right here. I know. He can, he's ready for it. Come up here. Ms. Michelle's going to help you. Go on the other side. Come on this side. And then you can talk right into here. And we're going to face the flag up there. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. So can you tell everyone your name, your grade, and your teacher's name? Hi. My name is Cooper Kelly, and I'm in fourth grade, and my teacher's name is Ms. Payne. Hi. My name is Griffin Kelly, and I'm in second grade, and my teacher's name is Mr. Kearick. And so two more wonderful elocution winners from Plantation Park Elementary. Some of your other classmates were here with Ms. Peterson earlier, and Ms. Peterson has certificates for both of you, and we want to congratulate you on the great job you did memorizing your poem and delivering it. So I said when I posted a picture of the elocution winners, this is really a lost art nowadays, especially with the use of technology. And so to see all of these wonderful young people really learning the art of public speaking, it's impressive. So I look forward to you coming up here soon and taking our places. Oh, oh, and can you tell us the name, the title of your poems? I did a Nettie Somersault by Jack Pieletsky. Mine was, Good Morning, Dear Students, by Ken Nesbitt. Excellent. Congratulations, and thank you for joining us. Oh, yes, they did. Let's take a group picture. Kelly Brothers, come back. Kelly Parents. And where are the Kelly Parents? Mom. Oh, okay. No crying today, Mom. Do you want to go down? They might. You want to angle it? Yeah. Okay. Yeah, she can cry. And kudos to Mom, because I don't know too many siblings that win. So, and Dad. Okay. And, and Dad. Thank you, President Fadgen. Thank you. Items submitted by the mayor. What is that thing they say? Never follow a kid act or animal act? Mr. Bright, are we ready? You want me to go on? So, those of you who didn't know, last night, four council members and a couple staff, and I became pseudo firefighters. And, of course, Mr. Bright, the videographer, wanted to share it, and we thought we would get it done right now. And so, here we go. Cross your fingers, right? Yeah. Jennifer's hair looks much better tonight than it did yesterday. Yes. We were walking around in this gear. Oh, there you go. So, tonight we gave the opportunity for the mayor, council members, and heads of departments here so that they can experience what firefighters go through. We put them through three different scenarios. We put them through a live burn. We showed them what a car fire is. And then we also showed them what a large LP tank on fire would look like. They went through all the scenarios, felt the heat. It was hot. Sprayed some water. And from what we saw, they all had a very good time. The good time was had by all. This level of respect is appalling. Pretty cool. A little dark, much darker than I expected. Definitely as hot as I expected and steamy and low visibility. Thank you. But I have the utmost respect for our fire department. I mean, knowing that they go through this at such a higher temperature, under so much pressure, just incredible. The burn box is quite an adventure. It's kind of like you have five senses, but inside of there you get to use maybe one or two. You know, you got gloves on, so the feeling of touch kind of stinks. You got fog in your eyes, so the idea of being able to see is quite difficult. It was amazing. I have a new level of respect for you firefighters. You all are superstars. It's not easy. It's not easy. You all are superstars. Woo! I think you're doing it right now. I think it's got to be excellent, too. Definitely brings a whole different level of respect for what y'all do. So, much appreciated. A lot of it never tasted so good. It was amazing. You never, you can imagine what it looks like in there, you know? No visibility. A whole new respect. Love our plantation volunteer fire department. It was an amazing experience. I have a newfound respect for what you guys do as firefighters. Going in there, the heat, the visibility, the steam, everything. You know, it's definitely not an easy job. Coming out, I think this is what we do. This is how we train for this. And, you know, I think that's right. When I tell you we're the best department in the state of Florida, we're the best department. That was pretty awesome last night. Thank you, Chief and Fire Department and Rescue for allowing us to do that. It was just incredible. Thank you. And SIRT, thank you. Yeah, SIRT for backing us up. Thank you all for keeping us safe. So, the proclamation for tonight is in honor of Social Workers Month. And I'm going to ask our social workers to join me here at the podium. Ladies, please come on up. So, in honor of March being Social Work Month, I would like to present this proclamation to our ladies and gentlemen who are social workers. And it reads as follows. Whereas social workers are dedicated professionals who work tirelessly to improve the well-being and quality of life for individuals, families, and communities. And whereas Social Work Month is observed annually in the month of March to honor the contributions of social workers and raise awareness about the importance of social work. And whereas the theme for Social Work Month 2024 is empowering social workers. And whereas social workers play a vital role in promoting social justice, equality, empowerment, and advocate for the rights of marginalized and vulnerable populations, such as children, elderly, housing insecure, and so many others. And whereas social workers provide essential services in various settings, including health care, education, government agencies, and nonprofit organizations, and address a wide range of social issues, such as poverty, mental health, child welfare, substance abuse, and aging. And whereas social workers use their knowledge, skills, and compassion to support individuals and families overcoming challenges, accessing resources, and building resilience. And whereas social workers collaborate with other professionals, organizations, community members, elected officials to develop and implement effective strategies and interventions that improve the social and economic conditions And enhance the well-being of individuals, families, and communities, now therefore, be it resolved by our mayor, Nick Sordle, and all of our council members, the City of Plantation to hereby proclaim March 2024 as Social Work Month. So please, I would love for you to just take a few minutes and tell us about the national organization. And I know you have a big event coming up. Is it this weekend? It's actually Saturday, March 16th, where we celebrate all social workers, pretty much giving them their followers while they're here. We have award winners for Social Work of the Year, Elected Official of the Year, Public Citizen of the Year, Educator of the Year, where we provide them with awards, an opportunity to network, and just come together And in our journey of being a social worker, because in Broward, since I've been living here, this is my first time actually being in this room. So being here and receiving this proclamation from all of you and our councilwoman, and living in plantation is definitely an honor. So thank you. Thank you. So for me at Broward, I am the NSAW Broward Chair, and this is? I'm Marjorie Meredith. I'm the Vice Chair in ASW. Long girl. I am a, my name is Natarish Bacon. I am a member of the NASW. Fabio Naranjo. I serve as the Vice President of the Association at the state level in Florida, but I also serve as the Legislative Chair for the Broward Unit. Get out. Yes. Come on. Come on, Mayor. Everybody. President, wait. He's coming. Oh, he's coming down? He's got to check, because he's the next practice. Okay. Appreciate you all. Thank you. Absolutely. Make me look slim. If you want to look slim, I'll stay next to you. Thank you so much. You work good. You got it. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Absolutely. I invited the owner of Loving Care Pet Grooming, the N. and we've been, we've had scheduling conflicts, so this proclamation's a little bit late, but Loving Care Pet Grooming celebrated her 50th anniversary in business. You're welcome. In business and plantation in the same location for 50 years. So, let me read the proc. Whereas Nancy Hefner, a widow with two sons, Frank 15 and Tom 10, the founder of Loving Care Pet Grooming, opened its doors for business in 1973, 50 years ago this year. And whereas at this time, at that, at the time, the city plantation did not have a pet grooming business. And whereas Nancy selected the location at the busy intersection of Broward Boulevard and East Acre Drive in the Vanilla Plaza, named after the former owner, Pat Vanilla, it was the perfect location. And whereas for the grand opening, Nancy had 1,000 door bills printed, which were hung on every door in the surrounding community by her sons, Frank and Tom. And whereas on opening day, three plantation residents brought their dogs into the business, into the business for some much-deserved grooming, the business quickly became a very pop, became very popular in the community and Loving Care Pet Grooming flourished. And whereas Nancy's son, Tom, worked with her in the business, washing dogs and learning pet grooming from his mom, eventually taking over the business upon a retirement in 1987. And whereas the simple business model was to groom pets at an affordable price and to do it with Loving Care. And whereas this business model is still in place today, Tom continues to oversee the daily operations in a way that makes the pets and owners run back and would make his mom proud. And whereas over the last 50 years, Loving Care Pet Grooming has washed and groomed thousands and thousands of happy pets, being a City of Plantation favorite. Now, therefore, I, Nick Sortle, mayor, and the city council members of the City of Plantation, Florida, do hereby proclaim Wednesday, this sixth day of March, 2024, as Loving Care Pet Grooming Day in the City of Plantation, and ask the community to join us in celebrating their 50th anniversary in business. Congratulations. Absolutely. Well, I just wanted to say thank you to the council for recognizing us and taking the time to award this to us. We really do appreciate it. It's been a pleasure to work in the City of Plantation with all of its residents, and we appreciate this, what you guys have done for us. And thank you very much. Thank you for your time. And thank you, Tim. Absolutely. So we're going to take a picture, and this is yours. I don't have any pets, but thank you so much. Congratulations. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. That is great. That is okay. We are on to government finance professionals week. You all coming up? Let's see people in the green shirts. You know what? When I worked at the paper, I was a writer, and the finance people looked at the newsroom and go, you guys are overhead. And then they pointed at it, advertised, and go, you guys are profit. So you're profit and overhead, but you get them both here. So I'll read the proclamation, Nick. Okay. Whereas the Florida Government Finance Officers Association is a professional association founded in 1937 and serves more than 3,300 professionals from state, county, and city governments. And whereas the FGFOA is dedicated to being your professional resource by providing opportunities through education, networking, leadership, and information. And whereas Government Finance Professionals Week, sponsored by the FGFOA and all its members, is a week-long series of activities aimed at recognizing government finance professionals and the vital services they provide. And whereas during this week, government finance professionals throughout the state of Florida will be acknowledged for their hard work, dedication, and leadership. Now, therefore, I, Nick Soto Mayor, and the City Council of Plantation Florida, do hereby proclaim March 18th to 22, March 18th through the 22nd, as Government Finance Professionals Week. Clap. First of all, I want to on behalf of the whole department say thank you very much. In the finance department, every day is professional, finance professional days. We, like the fire department, put out a lot of fires with a lot less heavy equipment and a lot more visibility. So, so, so, so, we did have. Hopefully they don't create the fires. Well, they all have a part in creating the fires. We would love to have a photograph with all the council members and, and the mayor and everybody if we could. Because we're going to send this off to the FGFOA to have them put it on their website. So, it'd be great. And we also have procurement. So, if you were with procurement, come on down. I think there's more swag up here too, right? All right. So, whereas the public procurement profession plays a significant role in the efficiency and effectiveness of both government and business. And whereas in addition to the purchase of good and services, procurement adds value to the organization by performing such functions as executing, implementing, and administrating contracts, developing strategic procurement strategies, and cultivating working relationships with suppliers. And whereas public procurement professionals in plantation and other public and private organizations have tremendous influence on economic conditions in the United States. And whereas the procurement division department of the city of plantation is committed to providing high caliber strategic, logistical, and operational support of all departments within the city. And whereas the procurement department and city of plantation recognize, support, and practice the public procurement values and guiding principles of accountability, ethics, impartiality, professionalism, service, and transparency, the Institute for Public Procurement as fundamental tenets of the public procurement profession. And whereas NIGP has proclaimed the month of March as procurement month to further expand awareness of the purchasing professional's role. Now, therefore, I, next Soto Mayor, and the city of plantation do hereby proclaim the month of March 2024 as procurement month. And I'm taking a risk here. The saying is never give a politician a microphone. The corollary is don't give Charles a microphone. But you're on. You know, the mayor's right. I love to talk. And when we're talking about procurement, oh, I can go on forever. I'll start talking about accounting. This is a very special time for procurement. This is our opportunity to really showcase the things that we do and also have some fun when we do it. So my wonderful team that's standing right there never gets an opportunity to be thanked publicly. And this is my opportunity to thank each and every one of them for all the hard work that they do every single day. So I have Sherry Goodrich. She's our procurement agent. Thank you for all that you do. I'm going to see if I can get this right. I have Carlos Marbo-Lejos as a procurement agent. I have Asha Edwards. She's our assistant director. I have Alexis Morris. She's our procurement technician. I have Aisha Muhammad. She's our procurement associate. And I have the wonderful Bruce Greenberg. We all know Bruce, right? Thank you, Bruce. No, I want to take this opportunity to thank them publicly because I never get the opportunity to do it. As well, I have Monica, thank you. I have Monica Powery. She's going to come up and she's going to bestow an award to the procurement department. She is the president of the Southeast Florida chapter of NIGP and Vanessa Redman, who is the treasurer of the Southeast Florida chapter of NIGP. Good evening and thank you so much for having us here today. I stand before you with immense pride as we celebrate Charles Spencer and his remarkable team. It is with great honor that I announce that Plantation has been honored the prestigious Agency of the Year Award for the Southeast Florida chapter of NIGP. If I can tell you all a little bit about this award, first of all, we actually serve the Tri-County area. That's Palm Beach County. That's Broward and Miami-Dade. It is such a lucrative award that most of our agencies don't even qualify for this. And, Charles, how many times have you won this award? This is our second. So it's just such an honor. This recognition is a testament to the dedication, hard work, and unwavering commitment of the city of Plantation. Charles, what you and your staff do is truly remarkable, and you inspire us all. Thank you. So I have one last thing. I won't share half the activities that we're going to do this month in order to celebrate procurement, but just know that they're all procurement-related. We're doing some internal training, which is the Jeopardy addition to Procurement 101 and contract management. It's going to be lots of fun, I tell you. And then we have some team-building activities to engage team-building and cohesiveness in our department. But this year, we're rolling out something new, and we're offering awarding challenge coins to those that have gone above and beyond in procurement to external departments within the city of Plantation. So the first challenge coin is going to be presented to Sherry Goodrich. So Sherry Goodrich has been with the city of Plantation since December 26, 2021. She has completed over 79 solicitations, and I ran out of my math wasn't that good, Councilmember Fadgen, but just know that it's over $15.9 million worth of projects. Within her time, she has also obtained her PPA designation, making her a NIGP Public Procurement Associate with the NIGP. So we are very proud of her that she obtained that designation. So I would like to present this award. Thank you. Any of you want to tell you? Just, it's really been a pleasure working here. I'm kind of at a loss for words at the moment. It's been a long day for me. We had a selection committee all day for police body-worn cameras. I'm sure all of you have heard. Yes, we did. But we had good results, and we're moving forward. Pilot test study is coming soon. So I'm very excited and looking forward to that. I know it's a big deal for the city, and I take great pleasure in working on it. And we had a great selection committee, and great things are going to come from it. I'm at the end of my career here in the next few years, honestly. And I've worked for over 30 years, and coming from the private sector into the, you know, public has been a little bit different for me and challenging, I'm sure Charles would say, but I've learned so much. It's been really a great honor, and I thank you all. Thank you. So the next award I'm going to present is to Bruce Greenberg. And I don't know if most of you know, but Bruce is our courier. He's been a courier for the City of Plantation since 2018, and then some. Bruce sits in on every one of our monthly staff meetings and listens to all the procurement talk, knowing it has nothing to do with him. And he's intently taking notes until his moment where he has to walk out and go do mail. But he attends every meeting, and Bruce is a part-time worker here for the City of Plantation, and he is a valued member of our team. And it will be my honor to bestow this challenge coin to Bruce Greenberg. I'd like to thank the Academy. Oh, sorry. But can I say, I didn't expect it, and I'm very touched and moved. I love our department. We all get along so well. We are a great team. We all work together. We all help each other. We all complain together and whatever we have to do. But Charles put together a great crew, and I thank you all. And my last one actually goes to a department. So if John Montefusco would please come up. So as you all know, we have an IT exemption, right? And as John would tell you, it's like the bane of my existence. And when I came into this role many years ago, everything we did IT-related was under an exemption, much so where John inherited that habit of IT exemption through collaborative effort and actual open communication. We have reduced the amount of exemptions going through the IT department and now are performing more competitive bid and diligence when it comes to the things that we buy. John often comes to my office and says, Charles, his favorite line, I told him, did they talk to procurement? When he has meetings with other departments, and I say, John, I appreciate you saying that. And I want to take this opportunity to say that the IT department has done a 180 when it comes to the respect that procurement deserves, and I want to bestow this award to the IT department. I'll be real brief because I generally am. I still would like to reserve the right for those exemptions. No, we've worked hard with Charles to understand the need and the reason for the open bid process. It can be challenging, especially when there's IT equipment to be purchased, but I just want to say thank you for recognizing our efforts in that manner. Thank you. That's all. Thank you for all that you do. Thank you for administration, for being open-minded and listening to the many ways of procurement. Without you all, we couldn't do the work that we do every day, so we appreciate everything that you do and allow us to do. Great. Thank you. Okay. Parks and Recreation, upcoming events. Mr. Goodrich? Boy, tough acts to follow then tonight. I mean, my goodness. So, upcoming events we have Thursday, March 7th, which is tomorrow. We have our senior trip down to Miami for the water boat tour that is full. It's leaving the Jim Ward Community Center. Bus departs at 9.30 a.m. Don't know exactly when they'll get back, but it's a closed trip, so we're looking for a quick turnaround. Saturday, March 9th, family bike ride and scavenger hunt. Special thanks to the Plantation Police Department and all their support with that, leading us out on a journey with the bike ride and scavenger hunt from the Plantation Community Center out and around the community and coming back there for a light breakfast and refreshments. It's a free event. Pre-registration is required, so please contact one of your community centers. That event will be happening on March 9th and starting at 9 a.m. prompt. Thursday, March 14th, we have a senior expo out at Volunteer Park for any seniors in the community. Very diverse group of people there for any kind of services that are services to the seniors, so please come on by Volunteer Park from 9 a.m. to noon on March 14th. Saturday, the 16th, another event that I hold very dear. It's a few years now that we've been doing it, touch a truck. I can't thank enough the police department, the fire department, the utilities department, the public works department. Everybody comes and participates with that, and down at heart, we're all big kids, and we all like to be around all that big equipment, much like you guys got to text with the fire department stuff. So it's a great event out there. Fire engines, you know, construction trucks, you name it, all going on at the equestrian center. That's from 9 a.m. to noon. Tuesday, the 19th, we've got municipal presidential elections. That will be held at Volunteer Park, Jim Ward Community Center, and Central Park. So just please be patient with us. We've moved some of our programs around, but obviously we have a bigger duty of those days, and we're looking forward to that. Saturday, the 30th, is our royal egg hunt, ages 3 to 10, and everyone's invited to our annual Easter egg hunt. 10 a.m. sharp, the horns will go off and the chaos will begin. It won't last very long, so please get there on time. Afterwards, we're going to have the Easter Bunny and inflatables, arts and crafts, and more, and that's all going to be held at Pop Travers Field from 10 a.m. will be the actual start of it, and then we'll go out there until 1 o'clock with all the other extra activities there. For athletics, we have PAL Tackle Cheerleading is now open for registration. Our aquatics department is hosting a swim meet this weekend, Florida Gold Coast Age Group Championship swim meet. So the aquatics center will be closed to the public for this weekend, for this event, but we're looking forward to a lot of swimmers out there and a lot of people in the restaurants and everything as well. Racket sports, we have a tennis exhibition being held on March 8th, Friday. Saturday, March 9th to Sunday, March 10th, we have a USTA Level 6 Junior Tournament at the Valtteri Tennis Center. That will start at 8 a.m. And then last on my list is Saturday, March 16th to Monday. March 18th is a USTA Junior Level 5 Mixed Tournament at the Valtteri Tennis Center, also starting at 8 a.m. Other than that, thank you. Thank you. That brings us to a public request of counsel regarding municipal affairs. Those who wish to speak, we request that you complete a speaker form. If you have not done so already, please do. Please state your name and address, and please address your remarks to the council president, not the mayor, or individual members of the council. Please keep your remarks to the allotted three minutes. Mr. Nelson. Good evening, council members. Wolf Nelson, 420 North State Road 7, Plantation, Florida. We have a building over there, and we have a little bit over a quarter million dollars worth of fines. We're just looking for a reduction and a reasonable payment arrangement so that we may be able to continue to grow in this community. We have complied with all of the codes that you guys have asked for, and the building looks the best that it says, look, when we got it, there was no parking lot, there was no nothing there, and we brought it up to a place where it looks similar to the plazas that's next to us with the post office and Donna's and everything else like that. So we're just looking for a reduction so that we can be able to continue doing business in this city. Okay. What I would suggest, if there's a consensus of the council, that we put this on the agenda so we can have all the backup information and learn the whole history of the property and how the fine was created. So is there a consensus to? I'd just like to ask, is there a time constraint? Is there a danger of foreclosing on the property at all? Yes, we have an upcoming schedule. I have somebody else that's going to come up, and they'll be able to give you guys more information on that. City Attorney Ezra. Excuse me. So the property owner, Express, is in bankruptcy right now. The City of Plantation filed a code enforcement lien foreclosure to foreclose on two liens. There were four liens on the property. We foreclosed on two. We obtained a summary judgment of foreclosure in July of 2023 for $350,000. The property was supposed to be sold in October of 2023, and the day before the sale, they filed bankruptcy. So we've been dealing with bankruptcy issues between then and now. Because we only foreclosed on two liens, there were two other liens that we did not foreclose on. They went in front of the special magistrate who gave them a lien reduction on those two liens. The magistrate does not have jurisdiction to reduce liens that have been merged into a judgment. So I have been having conversations with their attorney, and they wanted to come before you and see if you would be interested in reducing the judgment amount. What that will translate to, because I filed a proof of claim in the bankruptcy case, that will then translate to the amount that will translate into the amount of money that they will be required to pay the city over the life of their plan of reorganization that they will be proposing to the bankruptcy court. They have previously proposed payments over five years. The judgment does bear interest at the rate of approximately 8%, which, because the value of the property is sufficiently in excess of the amount of our lien, the city would also be entitled to that interest on that claim amount. So I don't think we're in a position to make a decision here. I think this should come back as an agenda item. That's what I would propose. I don't know what other council members feel. Again, if I may, I want to just clarify. So I didn't realize this was the express printing property. My question, again, is it's time of the essence, and what do we have the power to do tonight? We have a judgment. Well, I can't answer whether or not time is of the essence for them in the bankruptcy case. I do know that there is an order requiring them to propose an amended plan before the end of March. Okay. So the next meeting would be the... So then I agree. If we have time, because we want you to be able to do business and be able to get out from under this if we can. And so I would then suggest that we have it on the next agenda with the backup material so we can make a decision. The 27th. Okay. Thank you. So that's... Okay. So we'll get it on the next agenda. And then at that time, you know, anybody that is assisting you, they can... They'll speak on your behalf or you can speak on your behalf. All right. Thank you. Okay. Thank you. Oh, I'm sorry. Mr. Mayor? May I suggest also that we confer with the Gateway Committee and our Gateway Administrator, Mr. Hall, because he's been following the case and he can give us the background and what all details are. So when we bring it back, he'll be there? Let's bring... I would say bring him... Invite him and bring him up, too. Okay. Yeah. All right. Good idea. Thanks. Okay. Mr. McIntosh. Hi. Matthew McIntosh, 601 Northwest 82nd Avenue, Plantation, Florida. I just wanted to circle back to touch upon what was said about not wanting to walk over to shop at Target. I live in Midtown on 82nd Avenue and I walk over to Publix for all of my grocery trips. Yes, even for the paper towels and toilet paper. How? I only purchase what I need. I walk over to Publix and carry the items back home. A grocery trip for me is not going to be the same grocery trip as if I was using a car and it's not going to be needing that same needs. I might be making more frequent trips, but the amount of items I'm getting is just what I need for that week. You're not often buying like a TV from Target, for example. So often it's like most of the trips that you're doing at Target or Publix, you can do if you're two hands and you're two feet, generally speaking. Of course, if you have family, if the kids are old enough, they'll be more than willing to help out. I know I had, I grew up with four brothers or it can be a competition, but I do, I do understand that not, that it's not going to be suited for every trip. I do want to last touch upon, you know, aside from the environmental perspective, walking is also good for your health. According to the Mayo Clinic, as a general goal, aim for at least 30 minutes of moderate physical activity every day. Moderate aerobic exercise includes activities such as brisk walking, biking, swimming, and mowing the lawn. I ate six chocolate chip cookies before I came to the city council meeting, and I have no regrets. I was only able to do like a general, like go to the gym two days or three days a week. And, you know what, I think I am at the weight I am because I am, like, if you have to walk to Publix to get the snacks, you're my, okay, you know what, it's raining. I don't need so many cookies, or I don't need a bag of Doritos. But if you have a car, it's like, oh, it's comfy. No problem. Rain? Snow? What? No, it doesn't matter. I'm in my car. It's air conditioned. I'm just going to head over to Publix and get like all the junk food I want because it's like there's no sacrifice there. But even when I do make the sacrifice of walking over, it's actually health. It's like a reason why I don't need to be on the treadmill at the gym, which is boring. It's like, you know, you walk over to the grocery store, you get to see the birds in the lakes, you get to see the birds in the trees, the hawk. And this is the densest part of plantation. I just want to make that clear. I love nature, even though I want an urban environment. I saw a hawk in Midtown. So it's just like, you know, it's very green in Midtown despite the five-story apartment buildings. You just got to walk, just got to visit. I have a diversity of experience. I've lived in suburbs in downtown Fort Lauderdale. And I think plantation Midtown, it has a very good balance. People are just willing to try it out. If you've only lived in a suburb, you're missing out. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. K, Brandon K. Oh, no, I can change your mind. Ms. Clark, props. Sarah Clark, 10451 West Broward Boulevard. Does anyone know who this is? I already failed the test. Yeah, you already failed the test. If anyone knows who this is, I'm going to buy you dinner. Can't accept it, but we'll go. Oh, well then. Okay. Show everybody out there. Yeah, yeah, okay. He's my grandpa, too. This is probably the only person in the history of the world who has devoted his entire career to studying parking. He was actually mentioned earlier. Michael brought him up. He mentioned him briefly. His name is Donald Shoup. Professor Donald Shoup. He teaches at UCLA. He teaches city planning, I believe. He has a PhD in economics, and he spent his entire career studying parking. He started in 1975. That's 50 years of studying parking. So I wanted to bring his recommendations to you guys today because it's 50 years worth of studying parking. Nobody does that, right? If you believe in listening to experts, this is your guy. This is him talking, not me, okay? So if you don't feel like reading his 800-page book called The High Cost of Free Parking, then I'll summarize it for you here. And I won't summarize the problem because that's been done several times. I've even done it myself. I came in here and lectured you guys. So the solution, he has three parts in his three-step plan, which is that first, eliminate parking minimums for all of the reasons we talked about. It is music to my ears to hear you guys say that you're in favor of that. I love that. The second thing is to price your on-street parking so that there is no shortage. There should always be one or two spots available on every block. And I want to address something about that because I know that's a concern with you guys. You're all saying that you don't want to pay for parking, that it's discouraging you from participating in the economy, and that is legitimate. Like, that's a legitimate concern, and on a micro level, on a personal level, I get that. And on a macro level, we have to talk about the fact that if you think back to your high school economics class, your college economics class, the little supply-demand graph, the X, what happens when the price is zero? There's unlimited demand. Right. So if you don't charge for it, there's going to be a shortage. So you prevent the shortage by charging for it. Now, I'd be remiss if I didn't talk about car dependency here, too, because if you're anything like me, the first time I started learning about parking reform, I was like, okay, hold on. Shouldn't we be addressing car dependency first before we start taking away the regulations around parking? And the answer to that is no, you can't. You cannot. Because in order to address car dependency, you need alternatives to cars. Can I have two more minutes? Yeah. Well, it's me. You've got to ask. You have. Oh, sorry. May I have two more minutes? Thank you. Yes. So in order to address car dependency, you need alternatives to cars. But no walking, biking, or transit system can thrive in a city that's a third to a half of this land is used for parking. And believe me, it might be more than that in Plantation. Plantation has so much parking. And I don't think anyone has the numbers, but Max was, he took a map of Plantation once and started like outlining every little area that's used for parking. And it was more than half, and that's in Midtown, which is probably the least parking in all of Plantation. So parking, unfortunately, in this chicken and egg scenario has to be the thing that comes first. And let me remind you, let me put you at ease here that when you get rid of the parking minimums, the parking spots do not evaporate. They're going to be there for another solid 20 years or so until it comes time that they're going to be redeveloped. So there is time to navigate the transition away from car dependency with tact. Yes, it doesn't happen in a vacuum. Walkable spaces do not get built overnight. The density, the infill, it's all going to need to come with time. But there will be time to navigate that with tact. So I feel like there's something else I wanted to address here. I am a woman. I'm a skinny, scrawny, weak one at that. But I know that it's not fun to walk places at night. I generally don't do it. But safer, walkable places come when there's natural surveillance and there's other people walking. Natural surveillance is a thing for safety. And, yeah, I don't find that parking is any kind of an influence on that for me. I, you know, I could take an Uber and be safe. If the public transit is good, I can be safe. If it's well lit, I can be safe. If I'm with another person, I can be safe. If I'm on the phone, I can be safe. If I have to walk at night, I'm on the phone. So I don't find parking has much to do with my safety as a weak woman. So not that women are weak. I'm just saying that I myself am not like. We understand. Yes, okay. You're not going to beat me in arm wrestling. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not going to beat you in arm wrestling. So anyways, I yield my whatever amount of time is left. Very good. Thank you. Okay. Ray McElroy. What's that? Well, that's a miracle because I never pronounce it right. So hello, everybody. Thank you. I just wanted to. You want to state your name and your address? Yeah. Raymond McElroy, 333 North University. I just want to thank everybody here tonight. On behalf of my friends, Max and Sarah and the team, I met them via doing this kind of work. I think you guys are on a really nice commission meeting. I think you guys have jovial spirits, but I think you're also critical thinkers. I think you're blessed to have intelligent staff at your hand that are leading you. I read through the memos and the paperwork included. It was comprehensive. The data is out there. The studies are out there. Our generation, I'm 31. We're dealing with a serious issue of affordability where a lot of my peers are getting crushed by $18,000, $19,000, $2,000 rents in the one bedroom. Anything that we can take to lessen the burden via minimizing some of this parking excess that we're seeing is appreciated. Also, on the ADU ordinance that's coming on later, I do appreciate that as well. I think that's a very bold, intrepid step. I think plantation can be like a first domino and a step of other cities. Broward, if plantation can do it, then other cities can be like, hey, plantation did it. We can do it. I thank you for support and for using these resources tonight. I appreciate it. Great. Thank you. Ms. Bush? Cynthia Bush, 700 Southwest 91st Avenue. Here, again, as a member of the Midtown Advisory Board, Councilwoman Horland actually brought up what I was going to say. I just wanted to thank the staff and the city administrator, I think, also came to our meeting the last time, to bring up the issue of the ride-sharing and the circuit contract. And I think we were unanimous in our support to go out to bed to do a pilot study for ride-sharing in the Midtown District. And I'm really looking forward to that. And I guess I want to just commend the board and the staff for all the work that they're doing. There's a lot of exciting things happening. And I'm grateful for everything that we on boards are allowed to do to help you make this city better. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Weiss? Oh, he's here. Good evening. I've asked to speak on the ADU issue when that pops up. So this is another issue. I'd like to address a concern that residents in West Plantation have concerning the police. We're very supportive of the police in this city. They're one of the finest forces in the state of Florida from a municipality standpoint. The concern we have is that there is emphasis on response as opposed to proactive. And our petition that we've garnered over 200 signatures on would suggest a satellite police station in the west part of Plantation and potentially the east part. The suggestion is that we have two firehouses on Broward Boulevard. They'd be a great opportunity to house two or three officers who could be there proactively, who could be more of an active presence in the city. It could be a place where kids can stop by. They can check in with the police. It would be a way for them, as opposed to having workshops in the community, to be permanently there, as opposed to a squad car that comes around every now and then on a random basis. It would be a way to get to know the people in the community, going back to the old days of policing. We've got the ability to do it. As far as cost, the cost would be somewhat minimum, that we already have the infrastructure. And it would be a benefit for the people in West Plantation and on the east side of town as well. So a suggestion. Love to work with you all on that idea and that concept. And our idea is to support the police as best we can. I think this would do that. Go a long way to do that. Thank you. Thank you. Mr. Rutherford. Hello, council members. I'm the property owner of Express Media Printing. I purchased this building in 2017. Just read it in what my business partner, Wolf, said. The property was never in compliance in the existence of the building over 50 years. So I'm the first owner to get that building into compliance. We did all we could. It took a long time, and we apologize about that. But we're looking for, like, a good amount that we can possibly afford in order to keep this building. Like Carrie Ezra said, we have a massive amount of liens against the property to almost $400,000. And that's an insurmountable amount of money to afford and to be able to come up with even on a plan. And so we're looking for a request for a reduction of the judgment. I had these that were placed on the building. I don't know if you know anything about the Code Amnesty Program. That would have been a good program for me because of the liens we had, but we couldn't comply in time. But we finally complied in time. One of the judgments, which is about $180,000, was for a certificate of local business tax. I applied four times, but they wouldn't give me the local business tax because of the parking lot, which was in disrepair for over 50 years. We finally got the local business tax last week, and now we can finally open up for business in the city of Plantation. But I still have this judgment we're trying to get over. Okay. And I have before and after pictures of the property if you guys are interested in seeing them. We're not going to do it. This isn't the appropriate time to do this. We are going to get you on our next agenda because I believe when your partner spoke, time is of the essence. You need to find out what you're going to be able to do before the end of the month. So our next council meeting is the 27th. So we'll get all the backup so we're better informed. We're not all up to speed. I think some of the council members are listening to what they had to say, but not all of us. So we'll talk at the next meeting after we have a chance to review it, and then you'll be able to state your case, and we'll see what happens. Okay. Thank you, guys. Appreciate it. Mr. Munoz. Hi, everybody. My name is Alejandro. Our address is 9450 Poinciana Place in Davie. I wanted to come here and make a comment regarding the minimum parking requirements code that you guys are going to hopefully take a look at in the coming weeks or months. But I think it would be a good idea for a plantation to effectively remove those requirements for all the reasons we've already heard tonight. But also, as mentioned already as well, because it might make other municipalities realize that this is a good idea. And it's such an antiquated idea to have governments regulate private property in this way. And as we've seen, it's a big waste of space most of the time. But you should also look into where some of these arbitrary requirements come from. A lot of the times, the math has just been made up. The numbers have just been made up. Like, you know, for Davie, I think there's one parking requirement for bowling alleys where it's like five spots per lane or something like that. And it's just random information. So, oh, another one that came up the other day that I was made aware of is that bars also have minimum parking requirements. So, we're literally incentivizing people to drive, to come and drink, and then drive themselves home. And then we're telling them, hey, please don't drink and drive. It's a very serious thing. But as you can see, we're kind of enabling it through these parking requirements. But thank you very much. Thank you. Mr. Behrens? Is it Sam? Okay. How are you? Good. Sam Behrens. Do I have to give my address? I just want to echo a lot of the sentiments that have been said by some of my colleagues here about as far as the parking requirements. And I understand there's going to be an ordinance on ADUs coming up this evening. And I want to lend my support to that one as well. But as far as the parking requirements, coming from the perspective of Hollywood, where I'm from, we have our downtown regional activity center in the city of Hollywood that is undergoing a major construction boom right now. A huge amount of that is centered around sort of that commercial corridor that exists where you have a huge amount of shops and restaurants on some of the main streets there. And they're doing a complete streets project that does take away a certain amount of the sort of on-street parking. But it allows for widened sidewalks and replacing some of that space for allowing the restaurants to have more outdoor seating, allowing for the many festivals that happen there to have more space for recreation and for the staging areas. And I think what we see when we take away this parking and replace it with what I would say are much more efficient uses of space in our cities, we realize just how inefficient it was before. But sometimes it's hard to see before it's actually happened. And, you know, if you think about a parking space, typical parking space is like over 400 square feet of land. So not only is that, you know, if that's on-street parking, like it not only is that just a huge amount of space that could be used for tax revenue generating behavior that isn't and commercial activity that's currently not, especially when it's free parking. And so that's also why I want to go back to the topic of conversation about free parking, because not to go back to the high cost of free parking. But there is a huge amount of revenue loss that when, not only when you have to maintain the existing structures and garages at the, and oftentimes when it's free parking, that's coming at the expense of the city. And you're not generating any tax revenue in that, in that surface area. So I, you know, I just want to echo and sort of encourage the council is to really like think about it as, as far as you're willing to go on, on allowing for some of this space to be retrofitted for more efficient purposes. And, and, and from an environmental perspective, I know there's issues of drainage, but, you know, getting people out of cars is the, is it, is the, going to be one of the major answers to the climate crisis that we're facing right now. And I, I don't think we talk about that enough, but, you know, it's, it isn't just the emissions that come from vehicles. It's also the emissions that, the microplastics that come from tires. It's the tread, a huge amount of, of emissions come from the tread on tires. So, you know, it's not like electric vehicles are going to be our savior with this. We have to get people out of their cars. So thank you. Thank you. Mr. Williams. Oh, Mr. Mayor. Just real quick. I don't want to make an issue of it. I think a parking space is not 400 square feet. I think it's 200. I think 10, 10 feet wide by 20 feet would be 200 square feet rather than 400. Okay. Correct me if I'm wrong back there. Does that sound right, Elson? Okay. Roughly. Thank you. You're saying rather than spot itself, you need spot to back in and out. So that would make it 10 by 40. Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, we're losing. Okay, I'm done. Hold on, hold on, hold on. Sorry. Appreciate the knowledge, but it makes it impossible for the clerk, for the record. So, okay, Mr. Williams. Hi, my name is Martin. I come to members 4341 Northwest 5th Street. Is it possible to get your permission to implement a music institute with like a video game twist to it? You want to make a request to open that? Yeah, like a plantation video game school where, because I'm a student of the video game world. Okay. And from Nintendo, Microsoft, Instagram, it's not just a billion-dollar industry. It's a trillion-dollar industry. So I'd like to create a lot of wealthy people so they can afford the changes that will occur. We could put you in touch with the planning and zoning, and they could tell you what would be involved in opening up a school, or if that's what you're talking about, like some kind of school. Yeah. Mr. Holmes will give you his card, and he'll get you on your way. Cool. All right. Thanks. Did I meet you? Yeah, we met you before, right? Yeah, yeah. He said that, yeah. Yeah, I don't remember it at all. I'm kidding. Yeah, you're good. I'm good. All right. Mr. Cordova, did you want to make a public comment, or you wanted to talk later? I do have you down for item 13, so when we get to that, you can speak to that. Yes, sir. Good evening, council members, good evening public. Well, just pleased to be here. I mean, it's quite interesting how we heard different positions from not only you, council members, but also the public, and it's quite interesting to observe that they are mostly oriented to their age group as to they have one perception of things, but it's also interesting to gain some insights from experience in the sense that, for example, when you travel to other places, you see that there is a reduction, but not an elimination of parking. Like, for example, we were in San Francisco with my family, and it was a nightmare. I never go back to that city, because they were actively trying to eliminate cars, and what they did is they really destroyed the enjoyment of the city. And bear in mind that public transportation in the city of San Francisco is way better than the public transportation system that we have here. So that's another concern. I can walk, I still can walk, young people can do it, but when you are a mother, you have two kids, you have a stroller, you have diapers, you have all of that, it's a little bit more complicated. Also, when you are a certain age. Now, the other thing that is interesting to have clear is that we're not thinking about eliminating parking spaces everywhere. It's just in places where they are business-oriented, industries, commerce, but it doesn't affect the places in which you live. Now, that being said, again, we have a city that everybody enjoys because there is this peace on areas of the city, but that also means there is no public transportation there. So that's another thing to consider, but again, just to mention that I'm pleased that there is an active participation of the community. Also, there is a plurality on the position that you are not only willing to listen, but to analyze. So that's great. And I'm also grateful to have the opportunity to be a member of the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee. Thank you. Thank you for serving. I think he left. Mr. Conklin? Yeah. I hope not. Okay. Um, Mateo, I can't read your writing. Come on. Tell me when you get up here. I can't hear you. How do you say your name? Mateo Fratamico. Fratamico. Okay. Uh, 835, the West Country Club Circle, Plantation, Florida. I am a member from South Plantation, a student on South Plantation from the Magnet Program. Yeah. Good. Ladies and gentlemen of the City Council, esteemed community members, and honored guests, I stand before you today to address a matter of great importance. Not only impacts our local environment, but also reflects our responsibility as stewards of the diverse ecosystem that makes South Florida unique. Today, I'm here to advocate for the humane euthanasia for green iguanas to request the allocation of a budget dedicated to addressing this issue. As we all know, South Florida boasts a rich and vibrant ecosystem, characterized by its luscious landscape, unique wildlife, and picturesque scenery. However, our beloved region is currently facing a challenge that threatens the delicate balance of our natural environment, the proliferation of green iguanas. This non-native reptile, originating from Central and South America, have established a thriving population in our community. While their presence may seem harmless at first glance, the unchecked growth of the green iguana population puts a significant threat to our local flora and fauna. Green iguanas are ferocious herbivores consuming a wide variety of plants, including native vegetation, crucial to the survival of indigenous species. As they multiply, their impact on our ecosystem becomes increasingly evident, leading to the degradation of our natural habitats and the loss of biodiversity. This not only affects our local wildlife, but also jeopardizes the overall health of our cherished natural spaces. To address this issue, I propose that we allocate a specific portion of plantations' municipal budget to implementing a humane euthanasia program for green iguanas. It is important to emphasize that our goal is not to eradicate these creatures, but to manage their population in a manner that respects the ethical treatment of animals. The humane euthanasia approach involves using methods that prioritize the welfare of the iguanas, ensuring a quick and painless process. By investing in this program, we can effectively control the green iguana population and mitigate the potential ecological damage that might cause. Additionally, part of the budget could be allocated to public awareness campaigns, educational programs, and community engagement initiatives to inform residents about the importance of coexisting with our natural wildlife and understand the necessities of management strategies. Addressing the green iguana issue is not just a matter of protecting our environment, but also a responsibility of future generations. By dedicating a budget to humane euthanasia and education, we can uphold the ecological integrity of South Florida while fostering a sense of environmental stewardship within our community. I urge you, Council members, to consider the proposal seriously, recognizing the urgency of this situation and the long-term benefits it holds for our beloved region. Together, let us take a proactive stance to preserve this beauty and biodiversity that makes South Florida a truly exponential place to call home. Thank you for your time and consideration. Thank you. Mateo, Council Member Andreo has a question. Perfect. Is this part of your – are you a senior at South? And this is part of your senior project? My senior project, yes. Excellent job. So can we vote? I thought I saw an e-mail or something. There is. We have a petition going on right now. We're at – 144 people have signed the petition. We're trying to get as many as possible. This isn't only a thing that we're only doing in plantation. My fellow partner is doing it in Davie as well. But one thing that we found out about Davie is that they have the budget and they're not using it. Like they just have it there and it's not being implemented. So he's presenting to them the – to use the budget. And I'm presenting you guys to actually set aside a budget. Because – What is their budget? What? What is Davie's budget? How much? Do you know how much the line item is? No, because they have a program connected to – I think it's Iguana Lifestyles. They have a connection with them. So they're doing like – it's a whole company that dedicates it. I do know – we talked to Miami City Council. They were the ones that actually set aside a whole – a budget itself. Do you know their line item? Theirs was – theirs was fluctuating. It was never a consistent one because they didn't know how much would be needed in one month rather than others. But we have – that they told us – this is when we had a meeting with them. They told us that in the past nine months they have not heard any complaints from any of the citizens in the area hearing about green Iguanas. Do you have any other? No. Excellent job. Thank you. Tell your teacher I said you deserve an A. You're not done. Mr. Mayor? Sir, please write your phone number and email right here so I can share it with staff. I got you. You've got it right here. Thank you. Thank you, sir. All right. Very good. Good job. That's South Plantation guy there. Mr. Corman. Rob Corman, 11095 Whitehawk Street. Good evening. Sorry. Moving the pen. It's been a quick four years and the election season is upon us. At the heart of any democracy is the ideal of an informed citizenry. When I talk government, I used to tell my students that their political power comes from staying informed and being engaged. Bingo. Challenges we face with these two tasks have become exponentially more difficult over the past several years. Let's talk about engagement first. To be engaged is to participate to the extent that your capabilities allow. Maybe it's coming to every meeting. Maybe it's hosting a webpage on local politics. Maybe it's knocking on doors for a preferred candidate every election cycle. Crucial to the ability to engage is the responsibility to stay informed. How does one stay informed in the modern era then? Well, there's local television news, cable news, magazines, and newspapers. More common and more likely, there are online news platforms and social media sites. As I used to tell my students, one must always consider both the reliability and validity of the sources you choose in order to remain informed. Whatever the medium, the inherent bias and motivations of the sources, as well as the truthfulness and repeatability of the data and information, must be continually evaluated and considered. With the bounty of data out there, what prevents someone from being an informed and engaged citizen? The answer? Life. The vast majority of people simply do not have the time and resources to commit to the task. Thus, they count on sources they trust. Often, those sources are public officials like you. According to an article in the journal ResPublica entitled Publicity's Misinformation Problem, inaccurate information disseminated by a public official can complicate and undermine reasonable efforts to learn about issues affecting the lives of residents and their fellow citizens. There are two possibilities why inaccurate information is put out by a public official. One, the official putting this narrative out knows that the facts presented are not accurate, at best, and intentionally misleading, at worst. Or two, the official is unaware of what the actual facts are and is willing to mislead their constituents. Either way, this indicates the official does not truly care about the truth and factual representation, but rather seeks to undermine the very institutions they profess to care about. You, our duly elected representatives, are the experts. The buck stops with you. Please consider this as the election season ramps up. Plantation residents and their wider community will look to you to deliver well-reasoned and researched decisions. We count on you to do the right thing. We count on you for the truth and for an honest, reasoned assessment of the issues that affect our lives. Thank you. Thank you. I do not have any other submitted cards. Mr. Duke? Oh, I didn't make the last call yet. Mr. Duke, go ahead. I wasn't, you weren't going to be missed. Those were just the cards submitted. I'm Owen Duke, 103-01 Northwest 11th Street. If you own real estate that you rent in Plantation, you have to have dumpsters. I've discovered that according to the contract that you have with waste management, that waste management is the only place that I can get a dumpster. I can't go to anywhere else. We get horrible service from waste management, and there's nothing that you can do about it. We have an example with a situation that we had that waste management was not putting the dumpsters all the way in the bin, and we couldn't close the doors. Consequently, people came by and just flooded the dumpsters. We were charged overcharge fees. Waste management, I called and called and called and called, and they still didn't put the dumpsters in. I talked to one man that came by with a little pickup truck full of stuff and put it in our dumpster, and I asked him why he was doing that. He said he had a business, but the waste management fee was so high they couldn't afford a dumpster, so they were using mine. So I guess what I really needed to know is, is it really true that I can only use waste management? And secondly, if that's true, can you tell waste management, first, I'd like for you to take that out of the contract, but if it's in there, can you tell waste management they must respond to us? It took us two years to get the dumpsters pushed in so we could lock it off. By now, we're the local drop-off for everybody's waste. First, why don't we start with Carol? Carol's our garbage woman. I'm the garbage queen of the city plantation. That's my card. Give me a call tomorrow, and we'll work through your issues, and we'll get waste management to respond to you. Thank you. Okay. Hold on, Duke. And yes, in answer to your other question, the city does have a franchise agreement with waste management, and they are the sole provider in the city for solid waste. Council Member Andrea. Okay. I just want to add to that, though. Oh, and Mr. Mr. Duke. Mr. Duke. Oh, I'm sorry. That's okay. I just wanted you to know that a few months ago, we, this council, I think I proffered the motion, because we have been receiving so many complaints from waste management that we were going to start initiating fines for, you know, lack of pickups and if they're not replacing your dumpster and now you're incurring other additional expenses. So, those things need to be brought to Ms. Morris' attention because we will charge waste management. Good, good. It needs some oversight. Absolutely. And we'll be going out for a new RFP as well, hopefully in the very near future. Council Member Horland. Very, very quickly. Mr. Duke. Mr. Duke. Oh, I'm sorry. I'm over here today. I just want to follow up on what Council Member Andrea said. Please never go two years and endure that. You can reach out to any one of us, and now you have Ms. Morris' number. But as a business owner of this city, you should not have had to go through that. Well, realistically, I think we've solved it. Now we've convinced them to put smaller bins in, which they didn't want to do. They could roll in and we could do this. We had to rebuild the fences where they just destroyed them, and we've locked them, and we have cameras. And the only thing we can do with the cameras, I don't want anybody confronting them, the people that are doing that, but I wanted to get like a system to find out who's doing it on a regular basis and get my friend, who's chief of police, to send someone out at those hours to see if they can stop it. But it's a huge problem. We're here to advocate for you, so don't forget. We're here to advocate for you, and Ms. Morris will help you if you have further issues. Mr. Council Member Reinstein had something. Council Member Reinstein. Good evening, Mr. Duke. My question is, you said that there were a number of overage fines, and it sounds like you've been trying to reach them and trying to get their attention, and they haven't been responding. So I would just ask that maybe when you speak to Ms. Morris and you're providing her information, if you could provide that information as well as to what those overage fines were and your attempts to reach out to them, I think that may also assist us. I'll be glad to. We finally ended up with four dumpsters, which we don't need, and nowhere near that. But we're getting everybody's trash because we couldn't lock it. The overage fine is $200 every time it goes over the thing, and I would get two or three of those a month, and they went on and on and on. First, I called, and I said, I'm not going to pay it. This is ridiculous. You're not putting it back. And then they said, okay, we'll write it off. We'll write it off. Well, that ended. And so we paid overage fines and everything. It really is maybe the worst situation that we have to deal with rental property. All right, thank you. And you have my number, and we talked the other day, and you didn't bring this up, so. Oh, okay. All right, I don't have any more cards, anybody in the chamber. We weren't going to forget. There's always the last call. Now it's all right. I fought for this last call. Okay. Hi, my name is Linda Carr. I'm 11630 Northwest 26th Street, Plantation, Florida. I am here representing 147 residents of the North Acres who have signed a petition strongly opposing the Plantation Acres Homeowners Association, Paha, plans to transform our community into a traffic-calming community. Many residents have expressed dissatisfaction with the speed bumps placed on Northwest 118th Avenue, citing negative impacts on their daily routines and overall quality of life. We are advocating for the removal of the speed bumps from Northwest 118th Avenue in the North Acres and respectfully request that no further speed bumps be installed on Old Hiatus Road or in front of our homes. Residents have voiced diverse reasons for opposing the speed bumps, including their ineffectiveness, discomfort or pain caused while traversing them, unattractive appearance, increased noise and air pollution, and the inconvenience of navigating multiple bumps, particularly for those residing on the northernmost streets. Many residents find it difficult to maintain the speed limit while traversing these bumps, leading to concerns of being rear-ended. Some drivers have changed their routes to avoid bumps, now using Old Hiatus and 26th Street as an alternate route, causing additional traffic there. We believe there must be a more considerate ways to ensure road safety without compromising resident comfort. Furthermore, the speed bumps convey an unwelcoming message, one that says, keep out, rather than, welcome home. So no resident should feel unwelcome or uncomfortable when returning home. It is worth noting that the original speed limit on Old Hiatus and Northwest 118th Avenue was set at 35 MPH, and it has been lowered twice without adjusting the speed limits on the side streets accordingly. Residents believe that a speed limit of 15 to 20 on the side streets would be more appropriate and effective than the installation of speed bumps. Despite challenges in gathering feedback, such as residents being unavailable or unresponsive, the majority strongly oppose the speed bumps, with the minority reluctantly accepting them due to concerns about speeding. 136 of the petition signatures come from three of the northernmost streets, the ones most impacted by the number of bumps that would be installed. We will have to traverse all of them to get to our homes. As a non-HOA community, the Paha's traffic calming plan lacks transparency and consent from affected residents. We ask the city to reconsider the Paha's traffic calming plan for the North Acres and explore alternative solutions that address resident concerns and preferences. In closing, we appreciate the recent police presence. Having the police around keeps the people honest and more cognizant of their speeding. Thank you for your time. Three minutes was near not enough for everything I have to say. I had a, you know, I see, I have there all of your, I gave you all the resident input. I talked to a lot of people if you want me to go through some of this. I am friends with the owner of the home on 118th and 26th Street, right where one of the speed bumps is. So he has a lot to say. We visit every week. So I'm not sure how we reconcile this, and I don't know, and I appreciate the fact. We do the best we can where we get homeowners and we communicate with the best information we can get based on a possibility. Samira, what happens now? Notice how I deferred that to you. No, but I do appreciate, you know, they did the work the best they can, but you have people who object. So I have no idea what's fair. Right, I tried to talk to everybody on my street. I got 77. Hold on, I'm sorry. No, hold on. So let's have Samira, who's our city engineer, explain what the whole process is, and then we can go from there. Go ahead, Samira. Hi. Good evening, counsel. As explained in other. Introduce yourself. Samira Shalam, the city engineer. As explained in previous meetings, the city followed the traffic calming policy approved by council step-by-step. From the application to the petition received, to the traffic study, to meeting the threshold of volume and speeding, and then designing and approving the plans by the traffic calming committee, including police, fire, administration, public works, and planning and zoning, and then implementing by providing or installing six speed cushions along the corridor from Broward all the way to the northern city boundary. The only missing step is the evaluation, the pre- and post-construction evaluation, which is planned this month by March. When I appeared in the Home Hours Association, I explained the process to the residents that appeared, and I asked the resident to be patient until the city do the post-construction study, which is planned for this month. So, if you ask my recommendation, let's do the post-construction study so we can see the 85th percentile speed, which is the statistical speed that we use for the traffic calming, was 48 mile per hour on a 25 mile roadway. So, now we installed the traffic calming, and just for the record, the traffic calming was not just the speed cushion. We enhanced the pavement marking and signage, specifically around the traffic circles and throughout the corridor. So, it's not just the speed cushion. The traffic calming was a project, comprehensive project. Speed cushions was part or were part of the project. There was some other enhancement through the corridor. So, I'm asking you, number one, to conduct the post-construction study and then come back with my recommendation on that. If I can add, I met, the engineering department met last week with the traffic calming policy. The current policy does not address the removal process of the traffic calming. And we are planning to come before you to address that issue and provide the staff step-by-step process. Today, our policy does not have that process established in our policy. Samira, so those traffic cushions, are those, like, considered a temporary thing to see if they affect after we do the post, and then we put something more permanent in? Sometimes they are. Some other times, that's it. So, in this particular corridor, because there was traffic calming, which is the traffic circles, they were intended to be permanent. However, we are installing speed cushions that can be removed and repurposed through other corridors through the city. There will be some pavement restoration that Public Works can help us do. Council Member Andreyo. Ms. Shillan, how many speed cushions are there currently on 118th? Ms. Six locations, from Broward all the way to the northern border, which is more than two miles of roadway. Okay. Thank you. So... Ms. And engineering world, the minimum distance between traffic calming is 500 feet in order for them to be effective. So, when we placed them, we visited the site, we evaluated the location, we evaluated the location that people were speeding. So, they were not arbitrary placed. They were placed based on the study location. I'm sorry, go ahead. I'm sorry if I may. Okay. So, have you... And I'm anxious to see the post report, because anecdotally, I have seen behaviors change and speed reduced as a result of the cushions. So, and I did live... I think I answered your email, and I told you I lived right in front of one on Fig Tree Lane. I mean, it was outside of my door, closer to my bedroom window than the houses that are currently on 118th. So, I completely understand. And they've since been removed. And I'm assuming that they have been removed from that location because they were effective in hopefully traffic calming and speed reduction. And that's the idea of traffic calming, is to change the behavior that is there. So, there is speeding, there is cut-through. Actually, Mrs. Carr, in her statement, said some people started to change their route. And if you don't live there, you don't have to pass by there. So, that means they started being effective. Now, are we creating, solving a problem and creating a problem somewhere else? That's something we will study. For example, when I appeared on the East Tropical Way Home Ours Association, I was requested, please, when you consider East Tropical Way, study West Tropical Way because you don't want to solve a problem and create a problem somewhere else. And these are the things, as we learn, we adapt. So, is the plan after the post-study to have a presentation at the council meeting? I can. I can report to you. Because I sort of think that would be the best. Because I feel like whatever community outreach, and I know there's a part of that, perhaps some people weren't involved in that or didn't see the notice and stuff like that. So, I'm saying, like, if it's on the council agenda, there will probably be a wider, and we can hear everybody's sides on it. Councilmember Reinstein? Can I just, before that, say one more thing? One of the changes that's going to come in front of you also in the process, the process and the petition, we heard the community. Sometimes the implementation, after the implementation of a policy, we learn and we grow from there. So, we learned some lessons after the implementation, and we're going to come with the recommendation of some changes to the policy, including the petition and the signature. So, I can assure you there was no lack of transparency, but we implemented the policy as it's adapted. Whether the policy was suited to every neighborhood implantation or not, we learned, and we're going to come with our recommendation in front of you. Councilmember Reinstein? Do you have any information statistically on the cushions on how often they are removed or how long they do stay in place? I just heard an example from Councilmember Andreu that it was there and then it was removed. Can you tell us any more? I'm not familiar with plantation, but other cities, yes. I did a research. They are, some policies are one year. You cannot remove them until one year. Some other cities, two years. So, there is that memoratorium of let them work, let them be in place, let's do studies. And then if they did the job and people's behavior change and people petition and we have a policy to follow and we will follow the policy, we can remove them. So, to answer your question, between one year and two years. Thank you. Ms. Carr, would you like to? Yeah. We usually only give, we usually don't do this, so you already had your three minutes. So, if you can wrap it up in the next one or two minutes, I think the plan will be that we're going to have, when we have the post report, that bring it back to the council. Okay. But go ahead. I just want to speak about things that she said. And Paja is a non-HOA, we're a non-HOA community. We understand. And so, very few of us really belong to them. They don't speak for all of us. Okay. Right? Okay. And we're really only asking, I only did petitions in the North Acres. Like I said, the most northern streets, because if you do them on old height, you're going to have five or six speed bumps to get home. Right? Not right. And we also would prefer to have roundabouts instead of speed bumps. We're not saying that we don't want anything. We're good with roundabouts or maybe on old hiatus, a couple of dog legs. You know? Right. So. And I think that's what Ms. Shalon was saying, is that we're going to look at the post-study, and then we're going to figure out what should be the permanent solution. I have one more thing. Yes. Okay. One last. One last thing. That road used to be 35 miles an hour. Yeah. Right? And the speed kept getting lower, so people would slow down. Right? So do you really? So now the speed study says in the North Acres, we're going 35 to 43, which if you're reducing your speed to try and get everybody. So when the speed was 35, people were probably going 45, 50. Right? Now that you've reduced it 10 miles an hour, you know, we're going 35 to 43, so we're still going within the original posted, you know, not speeding. I think what the pre-study shows that the posted speed limit is not a traffic calming device. People are speeding like crazy, apparently. Well, we're going with the speed limit used to be. Yes. Yeah. I know that we're elongating, but originally. I'm going to move on. Yes. Yes. Very quick. I don't know how you're proposed. Very quick. Very quick. Very quick. 118 and old hiatus originally were collectors in the acres. We're supposed to be a thoroughfare and then the side streets, then you have your driveway. Fortunately or unfortunately, when the acres developed and the homes being built, a lot of the driveways ended on 118 and old hiatus, which kind of reverse the definition of a collector roadways. And I think without looking back in the history, I think that's one of the reasons that posted speed have been lowered from 35 to 25, because 25 is the posted speed for residential, 35 for a collector roadway. I just want to add that. Okay, so we're going to, this is going to come back and I encourage you to come back and we'll see what the post study says. All right. Okay, come on up. We're still open for public comment. Pass that to, I just pulled out to read it. Hey, that's Dr. Shoup. Good evening, everybody. My name is Michael Roth. I'm a resident of the Central Acres. Your address. I don't give that out. It's exempt from public records. Okay. I was involved with the request for the traffic calming, and I would just, I'm not looking to have a battle in front of the community tonight, but I do want to clear up a few things which were stated incorrectly. I'm also on the board of directors of the Homeowners Association, Paha, as was referenced. Paha did not ask for the traffic cushions. Paha asked for safe streets. We expressed a concern that was shared with us by many of our residents, that the driving, the manner people were driving in was unacceptable, and we asked what we could do about it. We complied with the city's traffic calming program, did exactly what the city asked us to do, and asked to help slowing people down. We don't care if it's speed cushions or another method. We just want to be able to walk our dogs, get our mail, have children at the school bus stops without having to worry about people zooming by us at 60 miles an hour. We're happy to work with you, with Ms. Carr, with anybody. I beg you all to review the traffic study results that Ms. Samira has. They are quite alarming when you look at the facts and try to take a motion out of it. We understand you guys and Paha did not suggest a solution. That was a decision by the city engineer. So, like I said to Ms. Carr, we're going to have that post-study report, Samira, analyze it, and then we'll come back, and then hopefully we can come up with a solution that everybody will be happy with. Okay. And I lost my train of thought. I apologize. It's all right. But, you know, really the true problem, the biggest part of the problem, and the most complaints are in the Central Acres. We tried to represent everybody. We thought we were doing a good thing by asking for the study to be the entire length from State Road 84 to 27th Court. Maybe we just needed to focus more on the Central Acres, not that I want to leave out our residents in the south or the north. I do believe that the north was actually one of the worst statistics, however, for speeding. So I think that they should – I know they don't like the bumps, but maybe they should look at some of the facts, you know, whatever. But the biggest problem seems to be that exactly what you're afraid of doing, which is the changes that we made to old hiatus when new hiatus opened, only being able to turn certain directions and things, has funneled everybody to 118th. That as well as the school and other things, 118th is being used as a pass-through from Broward to Sunrise and Sunrise to Broward, whereas if the people want to go 45 or 50, they can go to Flamingo or new hiatus. They have options. They don't need to go down the residential street at 60 miles an hour. Thank you. Okay. Any more – thank you. Any more comments from the chamber? This is your last call. I do not see anyone. Public requests of the council regarding municipal affairs are now closed. We're now at the consent agenda. The consent agenda consists of items 1 through 11 and may be approved with one motion. Does any member of the council wish to pull an item? Item 5. Wait. Anderson 5. You didn't say mayor. I wanted to pull it. You want to pull it? Go ahead. Go ahead. You can pull it. I said it. Any other – Anderson. Oh, Andrea said it? And the mayor also. I didn't say – I don't have the mayor on the list here. He doesn't normally pull items. Okay. Let's see. From the public, I see 5. That might be it. I'd like to pull 4. Is there any other items that the public would like to pull? Can I have a motion? Motion to approve items 1 through 11 with the exceptions of 4 and 5. Second. Ms. Beggarow, please call the roll. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Weinstein? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Paget? Yes. Thank you. Okay. Item 4, which is the item I pulled. This might be for Charles, but come on up, Jason. I will always defer to an award-winning procurement department. Not only award-giving, but an award-giver. Yes. Reciprocity. So, I'm trying to – page 118. They're adding 15% for overhead on courier services, binding. Their administrative fee is $96 an hour. I think the overhead's in there. I do not think that they should be charging us a 15% overhead fee on reimbursed cost. You don't get a profit on reimbursed cost. I've kind of made that stance before, and it irritates me to no end. Not with you guys, but $96 an hour for the lowest fee that they're charging us, if they sold that for 52 weeks, 40 hours a week, that's $200,000 a year. That's how I look at it. Like, when you're making $25 an hour, that's $50,000 a year if you worked 2,080 hours for the year. If they were able to bill that $2,080, that's $200,000. I think there's a lot of overhead built in that $96 rate, not for a professional, but just that $96 rate. So, I really would like to have that removed, and I would make a motion to approve this item without the 15% add-on on those three items for the reimbursed cost. It's not a lot of money, but it's a principled thing. No, you're absolutely correct. So, there is a provision within our agreement that allows for reimbursables, but without... I'm arguing the reimbursables. Right, without markup. So, this is... No, it shouldn't be, because I said that I don't want to see that. And I don't believe we disagree with you. What's that? We don't disagree with you. But it's there. I know. Your actions say otherwise. Mr. Borelli is in the back room, and he hears your comment, correct? Okay. And he will address that with the consultant. All right. I mean, I don't think it's a... I mean, if they got a problem with that, I'm sure there's other people who'd like to do business with us. We do have a little sway. But my motion is to approve without that 15% markup on the reimbursables. I will second that motion. Okay. Okay. Any other discussion from the dais? No. Just thank you for pointing that out. Yep. Thank you. Any comments from the chamber? Ms. Begaro, can we have the... Please call the roll. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Andrew? Yes, I have a question, though. So, Mr. Spencer, I don't think this will happen, but just for transparency, if when you are doing the... when you are executing the contract, if you cannot come to an agreement with the overhead fees, the 15% markup, you will go to the next bidder or you will reject just what will be your process. Just as a reminder of the history of this, we were initially bid this out as a design bid or design build. And so, because we did that, moving forward with the construction and putting the construction out to bid solo, we had to have a means to preserve the architect. So, they're subbed to this particular entity. So, that would further complicate things to try to transfer the architect again. But we are at the tail end of this project, but I think that would be complicated. But to the point, I think they'll work with us on that. I hope so. We're getting a lot of materials out of that. It's more of a supervision. I'm seeing a head nod, so, okay. Yeah. Thank you. Thank you. So, is your call the vote? You stop the vote? Yes. Council Member Fagin? Yes. Thank you. All right. Item 5. Can I go first? Yes. Go ahead, Mayor. Tell you the background. Okay. Yeah. So, I want to give you the background on where this came from. We had a meeting with John Sullivan and other people from the school board. They came to visit us and talked about several things. By the way, the other thing is, of course, you've read about possible school closings and everything. And my point to you all is, voice your opinions and gather opinions. And we can speak up and we can drive the bus with them regarding if there's something we want to keep open, the situation, all that stuff. But that's a side part of this. This came from John Sullivan saying, I like your idea. Gather letters of support if people are willing to do so. And so, look, I can speak for me, but no way I'm speaking for council. So, I thought I'd bring it to you all. And if you want to discuss it, I would like you to approve it. It would mean a lot to the cause. But if you don't want to approve it or if you have changes, that's why I brought it here. And I had it listed as an administrative item here. It said the memo administrative item. But really, it should have been on the agenda because I checked with Carrie. Since you were going to vote and discuss it, that it needed to be on the agenda and it was not an administrative item. So, I have a reference in there to an administrative item, but it isn't. Does that clarify that? Council Member Horland. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you, Mayor. You seem passionate about this plan. And so, please take my comments as constructive because I thought the last time that this was brought very briefly before us, we had stated that we wanted a little more thoughtful exploration about the best and highest use of that parcel. So, I'm a little confused of what the – it felt a little bit rushed because it's on AHAC. It was on EAB. I'm sorry. And I'm wondering why. Let me answer that real quick. I'll come back to you. March 20th is a school board planning thing. John Sullivan says, come talk to us about it. He understands it's a preliminary idea. The mayor has zero power in getting this done. And I acknowledge that right off the bat. You guys are going to vote. It's going to come down to density, if we're honest about it. There's going to be a question of do we want density or not and what do we want. That's going to be your decision that you're going to work with the public on. You're going to get input from all the parties involved on and decide what's best. Right now, it's just a preliminary idea that somebody would bring to you. And eventually, it would come back to you with ideas. But that's a long way away. Right now, I'm just saying, guys, school board, you got this thing. Think about it. Okay. If I may, Mr. President. That's all I can control. Go ahead. Thank you. But my point was March 20th is a deadline time. And that's why I turn this in now. Thank you. We don't have a meeting before then. So, when we talked about a much more thoughtful exploration of this land, of this parcel, I know in speaking to one of the EAB members, when they saw this letter, and I didn't know how appropriate it was to ask them to weigh in on a development project at this point when there is no proposal. So, one of them saw the site plan proposed that was attached to that and thought this was an existing project. So, there was a little bit of confusion there with that. But I also, you mentioned talking about repurposing schools. And this is going to be a very contentious and emotional decision for the entire Broward County community. The school board has a lot on their plate right now. And we have two schools on that list of under-enrolled schools. And I think, you know, at one of the last meetings, we had discussed some of the options that Superintendent Licata had thrown out there about repurposing those buildings, perhaps looking at some of those. And I had mentioned one of them that sits on a transit line. Do we want to take a look at, perhaps, putting affordable housing at that location? Elementary schools, perhaps repurposing part of that campus and adding an early learning center, daycare, if that made sense for the community. So, my concern with this is I felt that we're rushing forward with this. And I did not know if the director of facilities and real estate had been consulted or if you had just spoken to Mr. Sullivan, as you said tonight. Because the school board, as I said, has a lot on their plate right now. And I don't know if they have surveyed teachers and staff to see if this is anything that people would want. How are they going to implement it would be a tremendous undertaking. And I'm not saying that it shouldn't happen somewhere, but I think in soliciting comments from AHAC and EAB, we left out a very important part of that conversation as a community. So, what I was really concerned about when I saw the memo, because it's a memo, not a letter, in asking for our support, there are a lot more people that we need to touch base with before we present something for the school board. And I don't want to affect our goodwill with the school board in putting something in their lap where there may be a large amount of community input and maybe opposition to. So, that's where I really wanted to try to flesh this out a little bit more, you know, amongst staff and have those conversations before we took this public. You know, and I think look at other considerations. I would have preferred that the memo or the letter be much more broad and not so specific to a parcel. And just that we support taking a look at whether it's a underused facility in our community, but that we support workforce housing. And is it going to be for teachers? Is it going to be for support staff? But that the city of Plantation is behind that without being specific. So, those were my concerns. Yes. So, if the rest of the board feels that way, how would you all feel about us? Because I'm going on the 20th anyway, say we are willing to cooperate with you and work with you, and we have affordable housing measures in place, all of which is true, that you can explore properties, and we're happy to talk with you about it. Leave that out. Don't put specifics. Don't put it addressed. Don't put anything like that. And the problem is we have to rewrite this by the 20th. So, I would suggest that you give Mr. Fadgen the power to look at it and sign it representing you all. Yeah, I'm much more comfortable with the general exploration and not specific to the site. If that's the way the rest of everybody else feels, I'm, yeah. And like I said, you don't have to do a letter at all. I would like you to. But that's up to you all. I clicked in. So, a couple things. It says a letter in the agenda package, and as Council Member Horland said, it wasn't a letter. I was expecting to find a draft. I even got confused. I wasn't even sure. There was kind of the cover letter in the, so, whatever, semantics. We did a last-minute change, like I said, because it was, as an administrator, we moved it on. Now, I was at, I attended the Education Advisory Board, like I try to regularly when my schedule allows. And please don't take this as a criticism, but I found it confusing how you presented this. You know, I don't have power. This is on the Council. The complexities of it is, you know, for us to communicate we're willing to work with them would suggest that maybe we're willing to, they're going to expect some sort of density that we're unwilling to give, particularly with the, I mean, we've got to be very clear. The school board property on Broward and Hiatus, I think we're on the record what we're probably willing to do. You know, we'd have to rethink about it, but my thought is, is that you remove the cost of the land because they're partnering with a developer's, how you get the cost savings, and then become something of affordable workforce housing for school board employees. And there was something right on the top of my tongue there that just escaped me. And this is kind of me listening, and I'm kind of informed on it, kind of. It kind of, the way that you presented it, it kind of sounded like we were going to participate in some financial way. You didn't say that. You didn't say that. 100% you didn't say that. But I'm just telling you, me observing, and I couldn't say anything because we were under sunshine, and I stayed quiet. But just not trying to. Council Member Andreu. Thank you. So, unfortunately, Mayor Soto, I cannot support this letter or a letter at this juncture at all. This is so intricate. We are nowhere near ready to present a letter, in my opinion, to the school board. There are state statutes mandating a lot of this. You cannot just, and I spoke to the Minority Builders Association two years ago about the particular property and doing a public-private partnership years ago. So, let's start there. This is not some new, innovative idea. I've been speaking about this for a while. I did this work with the chief facilities officer in Miami-Dade County, where we had the first public-private partnership. We have a school in Brickle down there, and then teacher housing above the school. So, but this is prime real estate. Okay, we're talking about 11 acres of prime real estate that is valued for millions of dollars. So, the school district is not just going to give that away. And if anyone listened to the recent budget conversations that were had, the school district is not in a good place with our reserve and our general fund. So, it was actually stated on the record that our neighbors to the north and to the south of us have a much better fiscally sound general fund and reserve right now. So, all of these, there are so many moving parts and so many factors to this that I just think it is so premature to send a letter right now to the school board. And you cannot just use the property for housing. It's not allowed. It's not allowed. So, at the end of the day, it still has to have some kind of educational facilities component to it. And I think we need a well-thought-out plan of action. We have partners that we are knowingly bringing to the table before we are sending any letter. Thank you. Okay. Just to, historically, 2018, I proposed that land become a community garden. I talked to Lloyd Jacobs, the great Lloyd Jacobs, Commissioner Bartleman, heritage and everything. So, it's not that I've always dreamed of that being a property. Originally, I thought it would have been a perfect area, get a piece of it, make it a community garden, use it for south, use it for heritage. I had Lloyd Jacobs, who, of course, was an environmental, you know, warrior. What's it? Kristen Jacobs. Thank you. And so, anyway, the point is, you know, the plans. And however it gets worked out on whatever machinations, yeah, I don't know what they are. You know, that's what the school board's for. But I take your comments. Councilmember Anderson, what was the, what's the March 20th rush that you were? March 20th, and I think you guys in the school have seen the memos that it's the. When the school board's going to meet to discuss. Everything. But what, that's not. That's what's. I'm going by. That's affecting the schools that are going to make their final cut to be on the list. So, I don't think we're under a rush. Right. I definitely fall on the camp of the, I mean, in spirit, I'm open. I think we're open, but it's, there's so many moving parts and pieces and players that we would have to go. So, I would not want to commit to something that early, even though the spirit and theory might be, might be well intended. It carts a little before the horse. Affordable health, yeah. And the 20th is, that's really to shorten the long list of under-enrolled schools to the ones that are going to make the cut that they'll probably close. Because they're, they're not really talking about surplus land right now on the 20th. Laura, is that the way you understood it? Yeah, we invited him in. We said, I have this idea. What steps should we take or not take? Yeah. He said, yeah, take the steps and go for it. It's not like I just suddenly would go rogue. So, what we heard that the workshop on the 20th is, is for redefining our schools initiatives. So, as you said, it's, it's broadly about what, what's the plan for, for the schools. Is it posted yet? Is it a different date? She's seeing if the agenda's already posted. She's looking it up. If I may, Council Member. So, that, as I think Council Member Anderson is alluding to, is not the same as this. That is very different, and I don't think that this is the time for that discussion on that March 20th meeting. And, for some reason, I don't have good reception right now, so it's not coming up. But, the agenda is posted, and the, the topics are there. Actually, the entire presentation is there, and nowhere in that presentation are they discussing vacant land. Okay. Thank you. If I could just continue, because I'm almost done. That's just part of the, the, that's part of the whole process is going to take years. The initial thing is identifying the schools. So, I think, again, Council Member Andrea, you were, was, is that what you wanted to talk about, because you were clicked in? Okay. Council Member Reinstein. So, at this point, the question is whether or not the mayor was seeking a motion, or we have a consensus to not go forward. We are. I think it's pretty clear you don't want a letter, so it's, I don't think anybody's going to make a motion or anything. So, I'm fine moving on. Okay. Okay. All right. So, do I need to make a motion to see that no motion is going to be made? You're not required to make a motion. Okay. So, with that, we will move on. I do. Thank you for the input. Thank you, Mayor. Appreciate it. Legislative items. Number 12. There's no motion. No public comment with no motion. Right? No public comment with no motion. Sorry. No public comment with no motion. Okay. Okay. Um, legislative items. Item number 12, a resolution of the City Council of the City of Plantation, Florida, considering the request of STKR, Old Hiatus, LLC, and Victory Life Church, SBC, Inc., to partially vacate the right of way of Northwest 2nd Street, as more particularly described in Exhibit A, providing for conflicts, providing for severability, and providing for an effective date. So, was there a presentation, or someone want to plead their case? I thought I saw something pop up. This is a request that we've been working with, actually, for several years now. It has been hung up, the vacation of Northwest 2nd. With the Plantation Acres Improvement District, we had required letters of no objection from all the potentially impacted utilities. Um, that wasn't forthcoming for some time. Um, it, finally, we did get a letter from them, and so the item is now ripened before you. I know that, uh, there were a number of comments that were filed online. I did attend the meeting, uh, where the letter was, was discussed, and, uh, heard some of the issues, the concerns about, you know, why would we do this? Um, you know, vacate a piece of property. I would only say that the paid board did look into the prospect of, can they harness any, uh, drainage improvement from this land? They opted not to pursue that, that endeavor. Um, it's a ministerial process. I mean, we traditionally, you know, provide vacations to adjoining property owners. There's nothing untoward about it. Um, and our discussions with the property owner and the statements I made at that meeting that night, where that is our understanding that the property will be developed based on the underlying zoning. Um, you know, over the past couple years, the council's made a diligent effort to listen to the residences, take a number of steps to address concerns. Chief among them, Flex, and by carving the acres out of the Flex, I think y'all made a pretty definitive statement on what y'all's feelings were in that regard. Um, could in the future, uh, somebody seek higher density via comp plan amendment? Yes. Uh, but, you know, from administration's perspective, that'd be a fool's errand because there's been a pretty clear intent expressed by council regarding that. Um, so we have no qualms about it from administration's perspective. You know, for us, it's a minor burden in the sense that every once in a while, we'll have to send public works out there to clean up the property, uh, because it'll, there'll be overgrowth and whatnot. Um, so we are supportive of the application. I know it's run through engineering. It is certainly ripe. Um, I know the property owners spent a lot of time on this, uh, for a relatively simple request. And, um, I'm sure there is attorney probably would like to speak to that as well. I, um, I have a couple of questions. It has to do with property law. So for city attorney as well. So I thought I knew the answer, but now I don't think I know the answer. And I want to just get it out in the public. So is the right of way, do we own that land or is it really the, the property owner owns it, but they have to keep us, they have to keep that available in case we wanted to, had to put infrastructure in there. Who owns the land? Because one of the comments was, well, we should sell it and get proceeds out of it. Right. So generally speaking, uh, when property is dedicated to the city or to the public as right of way, the city, um, holds title in trust for the public. It is not like a situation where you own, but is it an asset? Um, is right. Uh, from a government accounting standpoint, I, I don't know how you would book that. Um, it's not, cause if you can't book it, you can't sell it. Well, you can't sell it. The attorney general has issued opinions on that, you know, saying that it's not proper to sell it. It's not proper to impose, you know, conditions on the transfer and, and, and things of that nature because of the nature of the. Okay. And I think that's how I tried to explain it, but that that's exactly what I was looking for. Okay. We can't sell it for, for a profit or anything like that. We can only vacate it. Correct. Okay. And again, the law is clear when it comes to, first of all, there's city code section and the law is pretty clear when it comes to vacation. Generally speaking, property is tip road, right of way of typically dedicated by one or more property owners. When it's more than one property owner and you vacate it, it goes, uh, 50, 50 to each abutting property owner. If the property was originally dedicated by one property owner inside of one property boundary when it's vacated, it reverts to that property owner. And I kind of felt that's what it was fundamentally, but so you answered a perfect because I, I'm, I'm guessing all of us probably got questions along that lines. And, well, we can't. Okay. Okay. Because you're not technically supposed to, uh, condition the vacation. You either grant it or you don't. Right. We're not conveying title. We're not warranting title. We're not saying who gets title to the property, but you have to remember in order for the property to rezone or develop, it has to come before you come to us. And, and that's what I, what, that's what I've been communicating to the people I've spoke to that. And I think we've been kind of clear how we feel about the rezoning. So if it came back to us, you know, it could be a new council next year. Um, okay. Thank you for clarifying that. Cause those were, I think were the big questions that we were getting council member. Mr. Horland, thank you, Mr. President, um, you and Mr. Nunnamaker addressed most of what I wanted to say that we did have, uh, a lot of comments. I was able to communicate with some of the residents, some of them, uh, who are here, uh, this evening. I think one of the questions that came up was why was there not, why are we approving this if there is no site plan attached, but there does not need to be a site plan attached. Again, we are just vacating the right away. And I think as Mr. Nunnamaker said, this has been a very long process. Uh, and I, you know, we really don't want to hold up the development of that property any longer, because I think that we all want to see something quality there. It's been a long process, but I think in the end, a good process, because there's much more engagement from the community. Uh, and I think that I hope that we have built up a trust, a mutual trust, that we've heard what the concerns are of the residents of the acres. And as Mr. Nunnamaker said, we've put those protections in place, uh, in the com plan with the, um, with the flex rules, but the underlying zoning is one per acre and anything would have to come back to us. So, I just want to say that I don't really believe that it is an issue. Um, I'd like to hear from the applicant's, uh, attorney, but I'm willing to make a motion to approve and then allow the public. I know, but I'm just saying, I, I want the public to hear from the public, but I really don't see that as much of an issue vacating the right away tonight. Councilmember Reinstein. Yes, um, first I just want, I wanted to first thank all the residents that reached out on this. I always think it's wonderful involvement by the residents and, uh, they're paying attention to items that are on the agenda. Um, my question is really, uh, Mr. Nunnamaker, um, and you and I spoke, um, previously, so I, I think I've raised these questions with you, but I'd like to, um, raise them for the public, is that, uh, in terms of the, this request, you said that it's very, it's, it's ministerial, um, and it, it seems like, um, it's something that we've done before, uh, do you have any bid, even anecdotally, is how often is a request for a vacation made of, um, made of our city? Is there any, um, and I, a couple follow-up questions I'll let you answer together, is that, um, is there, um, are there any, have there been any times that you're aware of where the request has been made and, um, we have denied the request because of some concern for, for, for bad precedent or some future need of the city, and likewise with this particular vacation, is there any, uh, potential future need, um, that, that is foreseen for Northwest 2nd Street that the city would, would ever need that back again? Well, taking the last question first, no, not that we've seen, and I would also say in the, from the perspective of drainage, we haven't seen it there either, and that's with, uh, uh, a new engineering perspective, uh, because Winfred's, the, the ownership has changed there, so when we evaluate, let's say North Acres Park, Middle Acres Park, and South Acres Park, which we have deliberately put in play for drainage improvements for, for the acres generally, um, we've gotten, I feel, much more proactive response on that. So that proactive response, looking at this property, didn't see any particular benefit to it, uh, but beyond that, that, that even really is probably not appropriate, but it didn't show that value, but really the, uh, the essence of their objection would be if they had any facilities in that property, which they don't. Um, as far as any of the right-of-ways that have been denied, or vacations have been denied, I don't believe so. I don't know if Mr. Holmes, if you're aware of any. The most recent example I've been involved in, somewhat on point, was a sliver I mentioned to you, where we wound up owning, uh, a pie-shaped piece of property in a gentleman's backyard, essentially, yeah. Um, and we vacated it to him. And, uh, we didn't charge him. I mean, frankly, he'd been taking care of it, and it, it just would have seemed, uh, bizarre not to. Um, but those things come up. We've got properties that have been instituted to us that, over time, we'll look to give back to respective property owners. We just haven't had time to dig into them yet. Uh, but every, say, couple months, we'll get a letter from the county. Congratulations, Jonah, piece of property. Um, and it might be a little square that, if you look on the, on the plant map, looks like it's part of somebody's backyard, they probably think it is their backyard. Um, and, you know, once we have some time, we'll get to that, and we'll, we'll grant it back to them. Um, but, you know, hopefully that answers your question. Yeah, thank you very much. And, just, if you, go ahead. Council Member Andrea. Sorry. There was something I was going to add to that. No, just a comment. So, although we didn't need to, it wasn't, uh, necessary to attach a site plan this evening for this item. But, I think that we have a commitment, and I'd like to hear from, again, Mr. Laystrom. But, in talking to them earlier, we have a commitment to, and I see they did probably bring a site plan today, to do the one acre, uh, one home per acre. So, I take them at their word that they're going to do that. So, I too, um, when the time is right, have no problem approving this because of that. That has been the discussion. We've been very frank, and given the, uh, the discussions that resulted from reflections, it's, you know, it's an honest conversation to have because of all the emotions that came out of that. Um, I do not see any more comments from the day is, um, do we have a motion, or do we have one? I'd like to hear from Mr. Laystrom. Okay. And then, uh, I'll be happy to make a motion. Okay. And then we'll go to public. Thank you very much. Bill Laystrom on behalf of the applicant. Excuse me. Um, a couple of things. First, um, I'm kind of actually new to this compared to the, the history, but I got to watch it from afar as I was dealing with the Lenard property. Um, and, and this is a final solution to something that's been out there a long time. We are committed to doing eight lots. What you see is actually not quite a site plan because it's actually a plat. That's what you will see next. And when we file that plat, we'll have to go to the Plantation Acres Improvement District as well as, as this council for action. We understand that there is zero likelihood of a rezoning being approved, zero likelihood of flex units, zero likelihood of anything other than the single family homes that meet the requirements of the existing, uh, zoning district. And we're committed to that. You'll probably see us on my guess is we won't get back to you for probably another three months, two months, but we're, we're there. We've already delivered on the four lots, um, on fourth anyway. And so this will just finish it off. Great. Motion to approve. Second. Okay. Um, public comment. Ms. McCormick. Donna McCormick, 1201 Northwest 114th Avenue Plantation Acres. Yes. It's been a long time to quote Dennis Conklin if he was here today is 1,303 days since we've been talking about the property formerly known as reflections. And we certainly appreciate everybody's time and patience. And we would have liked nothing better than to come here and see a site plan. So thank you for bringing the old Norplat site plan, which was attached to the agenda. Um, and we appreciate the candor. Uh, and we sincerely hope that we do see one house, one house per acre. But I think we could have speeded up this process. Um, by bringing a site plan today, other than what was, you probably remember this, what happened to second street. So we talk about, you know, we've been at this for a long time. This came before DRC in August 11th of 2020. And at that time we asked, what about second street? If you all had voted about vacating second street at that point in time and brought this up, we could have speeded up the process, but we've gotten to know each other better. We really appreciate all time effort and energy. And you got to make shirts. Yes. And, and my final answer. Um, so we really appreciate the developers. Um, I won't say concession. I will say the developer developing according to our zoning. And we thank the council and the mayor and everybody for their support in our planning and zoning group. So thank you. Thank you. Gabriel Nerona. Gabriel Nerona. Gabe Nerona 11900 Northwest eight street. I'm in the central acres and I just want to reiterate what Donna said. Don't have anything else to say, except I'm so glad I came. Cause I saw that video of you guys in those fireman suits. We're heroes in training. I don't ever want to go in another smoky building again. All right. Okay. That's all the public comment that was submitted. There's anybody in the chamber. I'd like to make a comment. Wait, you know, you can't, I appreciate your efficiency, but how are you doing? The clerk needs to be able to hear you. I hear you. Elson Soto 155 Northwest on the 12th Avenue. I actually didn't realize that this was going to be on the agenda today. I'm with the trustees of Victor Black Church. Okay. Um, so we, prior to this whole project, um, culminating, we met with fire. We also met with zoning in regards to their first proposal of 42 units per, you know, for the entire site. I think it was like four per, four per acre. Um, they've been real responsive to us. They've called, they've spoken to the pastor. Um, and they've kept us aloof of everything that's going on. They've been pretty transparent as far as I'm concerned. I'm concerned. And part of our vacating of this property is they're guaranteed to us that they are going to follow whatever the zoning requirements are from this, you know, from the council. So I just want to say, had I've seen this, I would have had other people here, but I just looked at it. I said, you know what? I think it's, you know, appropriate for me to discuss what we know thus far and what we believe to be true of the developer. So, okay. Thank you. Any other comments from the chamber? Seeing none, Ms. Beggarow, please call the roll. Council member Horland. Yes. Council member Einstein. Yes. Council member Anderson. Yes. Council member Andreu. Yes. Council member Fajan. Yes. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Item, item 13, PP23-0035, public hearing second, reading of an ordinance of the city of Plantation, Florida, pertaining to the subject of zoning and land development, amending chapter 27 of the city code of ordinances, specifically amending section 27-105A, entitled accessory dwelling units and pool houses. City Attorney Ezra, please read the ordinance. I'm going to pick up right from where you left off. All right. Good. Council President. I just tried to read the summary. I saw that. I appreciate that. Thank you for, uh, um, so continuing amending section 27-72 entitled residential zoning districts, amending section 27-92 entitled planned community development zoning districts, amending section 27-11 entitled definitions, amending section 27-310 entitled accessory buildings and structures in residential districts, amending section 27-296 entitled accessory uses and standards, amending the physical and digital versions of the land development regulations, providing for codification, severability, a savings clause, conflicts, and an effective date. Thank you. Good evening, Council. Um, in your agenda package, we had, um, made some revisions to exhibit A, the end of exhibit A, after publication. So I just wanted to show you two slides. Um, this is, you heard this at the first reading, and I could go through it if you'd like, but, um, I'm going to go here. Subsequent to the city's publication of the agenda item, Mr. David Weiss reached out to staff about additional language with some concern about how it was drafted. He wishes to add the following, um, language to this section, and it's, um, in your, it's not in your backup because it happened after publication. So this is in your backup. This is how it currently reads, and, um, the section, the language that he was concerned with is highlighted in yellow. Um, so he communicated with us. We, we spoke with the city attorney, and we don't have any issues with the, the new language. Basically striking out, um, that prohibits or otherwise construct or add an ADU, and adding some extra wording. If you want, I could read it, but that's the extra wording that he had requested, and he is here tonight. If, if you'd like to hear from him. Besides that, if you have any other questions about the ordinance, I'd be happy to respond. Any questions from the dais? I guess, um, kind of just to get it out there, like, um, so hypothetically, it could be a short-term rental. It could be a rental, but we're going to require them to file a restricted deed at their cost, saying that the owner of the property has to live on the property. And I read that in there. Yes. So I just want to confirm that vocally, um, because I think that's kind of, I think we all can agree that if the owner of the property is living there, whether it's in the ADU or in the primary building, um, you get different behavior. Yes, that's correct. Oh, you can't, do you want to speak? Well, maybe that's something I'm saying you shouldn't, but, Council Member Andrea? Just one other, I'm not sure, Mr. Alpert, if it really is covered, but a conversation that I had with, um, the, or with the Westport HOA was, and I know in Exhibit C, um, I'm specifically talking about, if you want to follow along with me, page 405 under Exhibit C. But a problem I know that we discussed was, and you added this language at, let me preface this with, you added the language on number one, because I, this council, I think, asked you to, um, put the restrictive covenants HOA or condominium association documents. But one thing that came up recently was, several of these HOAs don't get enough attendance to, um, meet and change or revise their, they don't have a quorum to revise the covenant. So, could you also maybe include, and maybe it's somewhere else and I missed it, but language that says, or architectural board. Because I know, again, with some of them, even though they don't have the ability to revise their, their covenant or association of documents, they do, most of them have some type of architectural board or committee that meets. So, that was my only amended language I wanted to proffer. Sure, we could add that in. To number one. Okay, thank you. Council Member Reinstein. Just a, a question regarding adding the architectural board, um, requirement. Is that only if there is no ability for the, the board to meet or meet quorum? And I only ask because, uh, an architectural board would be an easier way to pass this. And I wouldn't want to risk that some HOAs could try and avoid bringing it to the board, even though they do meet quorum, and only bringing it to their architectural board. So, I mean, we, I want to make sure that it's, it's for the benefit of, I, in my own HOA, I know they have trouble meeting quorum, and, um, I wouldn't want them to, I'm not going to say sneak it by, but essentially use the architectural board to pass something that maybe the rest of the residents don't want. All right, so I, I'm just curious how you see the distinction between the need to get the community's approval for this versus just going to that small little committee. Well, I don't think they would need to get, that's what I'm, that's the point. So, the way I am interpreting is, for instance, again, I'll just use Westport as an example. If I wanted to do an ADU, um, and there's nothing in our covenant right now, currently, right? So, I'm already, in essence, bypassing them, because there's nothing in the covenant right now preventing me from doing it, right? And they can't change those covenants because they're not getting a quorum of, I don't know, I think we need 51% or something of the residents in order to change the covenant, and we just don't get that type of attendance. I think we're getting too much into the weeds there. I mean, to be honest with you, we're giving, um, associations the opportunity to restrict it. If it's not in their documents now, that, that's the task they need to do. Um, that's an impossible task is what I'm saying. It's very difficult to get, um, the residents to attend, uh, an HOA meeting. Well, you don't have to have them attend. You have to have the proxies to. That's still very difficult. My association keeps, um, you know, doing parcel reserves. Um, City Attorney Ezra? Yeah, I just want to, um, say, you know, what we're trying to avoid is impairing a contractual obligation. Restrictive covenants are contracts, uh, among the various property owners that live in a community and the HOA that's created by those documents. Um, again, from our prior discussions, we don't want to be in the business of determining whether a resident of an HOA has the right or not to build an ADU. Whether they do or not, if they comply with the code, in all likelihood, a permit will be issued. If they're in violation of their HOA rules, that's going to be between the HOA or an adjacent property owner who also would have a right to enforce the homeowner's documents as against the property owner who may be in violation of those rules. So, as it is now, it's a conditional use that has to be approved by us, but whether they can do it in their community is up to their community. It's a totally separate issue. Right. That I don't think we should be delving into. Right. And, again, we've taken the position in other matters. We've gotten out of the business of verifying whether or not there's a homeowner's restriction as it might affect our permitting requirements. Because, remember, we have, uh, pretty strict timelines for approving permits, um, under state law. So, Mr. Alpert, let me ask a follow-up question. I know when there's a local business tax receipt, they have to, and you're in a deed-restricted HOA community, you have to get permission from the HOA if you're running a business, a home business. So, would, I mean, so, I, uh, yes, you do. Is that, is that not true? Um, I, unless that was very recently changed because I went through that. Are you asking us whether we verify that before we issue it? I didn't say verify it. Okay. I was, I went through this process personally in trying to get a local business tax receipt to run a home business when I came to the city to do my paperwork. And I, I gave my address and they said, you're in Westport, that's a deed-restricted community. You have to get approval from your HOA. How, how long ago was this? Maybe a year and a half, two years ago, for my 12-year-old's business. We, yeah, yeah. Okay. Yes. So, did they say, you have to get it and bring it back to us and show it before we will approve it? Yes, sir. In writing a letter from my HOA. All right, Danny, back to you. A year and a half ago, like, we were doing more of that with her meeting. We were, but we, we've changed those rules or regulations. As the city attorney said, it was creating some other problems for us. And it's really not a city issue. It's an issue with you and your HOA. Okay. I just want to make sure, again, then, you know, equity and we're, we're, we're consistent. Consistent with state statute. Exactly. And consistent in our implementation of the state statutes. So, okay, as long as we're not doing one and not the other. Okay. Okay. I don't see any other comments from the day. I just, can I have a motion? Motion to approve. Second. Okay. Public comment. Sam Behrens, you had number 13. No? That's fine with us. Okay. Brandon Kaye, even better. Long night. Ms. Clark, we're all good. All right, don't wreck the streak, Mr. McIntosh. Mr. Hurt. You could have broke the streak. I wouldn't have been mad. Good evening, everyone. Marcus Hurt, 731 Northwest 77th Avenue, Plantation. 50-year resident of the city of Plantation, third generation. So, I've got a 23-year-old son myself, you know, with price of housing, everything. Please pass this. I want to build another apartment on the side for him. My parents, as well. No retirement. Living completely on Social Security. I know at some point they're not going to be able to supplement that Social Security to pay their rent, and we'll probably need a place to stay. So, again, this. So, again, 50 years I've been here, third generation, Hurt family to be a Plantation resident. I hope to have four, five, six, and stuff. So, please pass. Thank you. Thank you. Ms. McCormick. Donna McCormick, 1201 Northwest 114th Avenue, Plantation, Acres, Florida. I fully support ADUs, and I fully support the usage for affordable housing. I'm getting old, and I could certainly have my family either move in my house and I move into one, or vice versa. My issue and concern is short-term vacation rentals. And I know that this board takes that issue and concern very seriously, and that you'll continue to work and address this issue, and the residents will continue to help with that. But the burden to the city to support and enforce short-term vacation rentals is absolutely huge. And the proposal, which will allow additional, even though the owner can be in one and the short-term vacation rental can be in the other, my concern is, one, that we're signing up for a lot of cost. But in the benefit of affordable housing, you know, at the end of the day, it might be worth it. But I just want to caution you all that short-term vacation rentals have a huge cost. And this, although it may be minimal, from what I've seen, the ADU has to register, which that's one registration. And then if it's a short-term vacation rental, it has to register for short-term vacation rentals. We've just added additional staff for the issues we have now with the city with managing short-term vacation rentals. So just don't let this cost escape you. And thank you very much for your support. Thank you. Mr. Cordova. Good evening, everyone. Edwin Cordova. I'm a member of the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee and resident of 6527 Southwest 20th Court Plantation. Just to say that, again, I'm very grateful to have the opportunity to be involved in that. I want to also congratulate the staff of the city because we are a witness of the hard work and all the presentations they have made in order to inform us about what possibilities we can present to the community and to you as to affordable housing. And one of them was, of course, the ADUs. And I think by now I want to just congratulate them because they have made a lot of education to the community on what is an ADU and what is not. And, yes, there are concerns. None of them are going to be covered, like short-term rentals are a problem. And I think it's less of a problem if I live in the place instead of just being an owner that lives elsewhere and I rent the place for a weekend. But if I'm residing there, I'm going to be more cautious as to who will be the person that I rent in the place. So I think there are certain things that eliminate themselves just because of the different circumstances, as just being an owner but having a residence elsewhere. So, again, there are a lot of things to consider, but I just want to say that we have to value the effort of all the staff here. And, again, it's been great for us as members of the Affordable Housing Advisory Committee as well. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Cordova. Mr. Weiss? Thank you very much. Council, Mayor, thank you. I want to give great appreciation to the Mayor's office, Jason Neunemaker, Michael Alpert. Special appreciation to every council member who hit the pause button back in November to give us an opportunity to propose appropriate language to provide safety to homeowner associations who have to make appropriate financial decisions to opt in if they decide to do to the ADU ordinance. So this is how government should work. I want to thank each one of you personally and kudos to you all. I think it's a much better ordinance than it was back in November. Thank you. Ms. Hampton? Lizette Hampton, 11460 Northwest State Street. The affordable housing unit is a great concept. I was here supporting one of my neighbors who was building for his mother-in-law. The only concern that I have is how will the city manage the requirements for in-residence, for an owner in-residence? I'm telling you right now, I have a neighbor right now who is running some sort of, you know, boarding house, and most of the time there is no in-house, you know, no resident, no owner in-house. So how does the city plan to control that? That for the acres is a major concern. So in the process of considering and approving, please think about that. Because right now we're, you know, we're seeing it. You had to bring in additional staff. How are you going to manage the process to ensure that an owner is living on the property? And that does make a difference. And that's it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Well, something, before we vote, something that came up about the owner living on the property. Can we make a requirement for someone who is trying, applies for a short-term rental, that in the listing itself, they actually have to say that the owner is on property? Because that could provide a deterrent, too, if people don't, you know, you understand what I'm saying? Like in the description of the property, whether it be Airbnb or whatever all those sites are, to actually have them put a sentence in there in the description of it saying that the owner is on property. You're asking can we mandate that that be in there? Because I think that would provide another level of deterrence. I think we need to wait until after the legislative session to have a discussion. Well, there's some things that I told you to put on the studio list, but I think that might be a good idea. It's also a free speech type issue, and you're mandating something to be said, so it requires some attention to look at that. I don't have any other speaker cards. Are there anybody else in the day that hasn't spoken to elect to speak? Mr. Corman, come on up. We made a motion this time. Yeah, and I'm about to talk about that. Rob Corman, 11095 White Hawk Street. I will get to the ADU thing in a second. However, I want to point out that you've had us fill out these cards, which means there was a piece of paper from the city that I had to fill out saying I wanted to speak about issue number five. And somehow, because of whatever versions of Robert's Rules is being used on the dais, that right to speak was abrogated. I was not allowed to comment about it. Now, had I been the only one who pulled it, had it been a pull from the chamber and not from the dais, I would have been the first one to speak, because that's how it's happened before. So I'm not quite sure how the order of operations is working with regards to my ability as a citizen to communicate my feelings about a particular event when it happens. And in that particular case, yes, thank you. You all decided not to conform with this idea of a letter, which there are a whole host of reasons why you shouldn't have done that. However, there was the cowardly action to not take a motion on it. If you felt strong enough about it, you should have made a motion and allowed public discourse on it. That is my point. With regards to the ADUs, it's a good ordinance. You should pass it. Thank you. In response to that, there are times that we have taken a motion when there was a consensus on the dais that we are not interested in it so that people could speak on it. Fully aware. I know. And it's not something new that we've done. When there's no motion, there's no discussion. And we decided not to take action on it. So therefore, there was nothing to discuss because we're not proceeding with it, so there's no reason to take comment on it is how I'm interpreting it. Okay. Any other comments from the chamber? He keeps it. The doctor over there. Michael Roth, Central Acres. ADUs could be a great thing. I'm not against them. I'm glad we worked with Mr. Weiss for the HOAs, but there were some other suggestions brought up, but I don't know if they just went into a black hole or what happened. Please take into account neighborhoods that have septic tanks. The capacity of those systems, when they were installed, was based upon the amount of bedrooms on the property. And if you're adding ADUs and adding people and adding waste, they need to be able to accommodate that. So I think you might want to consider not including septic properties in the first rollout of this, or maybe even picking a few communities that want this and letting them be the guinea pigs rather than doing it citywide. You've got a lot of big changes tonight that you're considering citywide. If we're going to let ADUs exist, if we're going to completely eliminate parking restrictions instead of reducing them and other things. And you guys potentially are going to really steer the direction of this city. You know, we used some examples tonight of the Empire State Building and Parking and Michigan and places that we don't, many of us, because I obviously can't speak for the entire city, that we don't want plantation to become or to become like. We're here because we like it the way it is and was. So just keep that on the back of your mind, please. And I would consider for the ADUs, the initial rollout may be some kind of air exemption requirement that the people be related by blood. Maybe with just the first batch before we bring STVRs into the mix, because we have, they are a huge issue. And I also found it odd that a lot of the people who are supporting the ADUs wholeheartedly don't own property in the city or large enough property to actually have an ADU or have it affect them. They've already chosen to live in the higher density parts of the city or aren't even taxpayers or business owners or contributors to this city at all. Yet we're letting them speak and keep us here until 10 o'clock at night and people like Mr. Corman, who are dedicated to this city, we're, you know, can sort of refuse that opportunity. So just my thoughts. Thank you. Thank you. I will make one comment regarding renters. They do pay property taxes. It's inside their rent. So they are contributing to this city. So I stand corrected. I would agree with that. Right. Thank you. Council Member Horland. Very briefly, because I don't recall if Mr. Roth was here the first time that we had spoken about this ordinance. But don't forget, anything that, if someone wants to build an ADU in the city, they have to come before council. And we've already, it's already, we had already discussed, if it doesn't meet the requirements for drainage and infrastructure, it's not going to get approved. Okay. So if that gives you some reassurance. And so far as the short-term rentals, legally we cannot ban them from becoming short-term rentals. But that's why we're putting that deed restriction in place, that the owner has to live there. If they agree to it as part of the, they want this ADU, you're going to conditionally approve it. They're agreeing to deed restrictions. If you tell them or ask them to agree to that restriction and they put it, agree to it to build the ADU, then it would be binding, right? Yeah. It's a deed restriction. Yes. So, sure. And that's why we have that in the audience. But the first hundred people that want to build an ADU can build it, but they can't STVR. I don't think this is going to create a waterfall because I think Councilmember Andreu said that there's probably been three. Yeah. And I had also mentioned at a prior council meeting that I spoke to one of my colleagues in Sarasota. They passed this ordinance several years ago and they've had one application. So, I don't think we're going to see a waterfall of people. It's also very expensive to build. But for those that want to, and I think when we refer to the people that are renting, most of them can't afford to buy property. So, this would enable a lot of these younger residents who are coming home, like Mr. Hurt got up and spoke, that can't afford to buy property in the city but want to remain here and be committed and engaged citizens that they could possibly live in an affordable ADU, whether it's with their family or renting from somebody else. So, we want to be able to provide them that option. That is great, but ultimately, wouldn't it be better to fix the affordable housing process so they can own something and create generational wealth? But this is a part of it. And then I agree with you. It is cost prohibitive, and that's why I'm concerned that your typical resident won't be able to do it. But the person who's got the money to buy a piece of property to rent it as an STVR, you know, that LLC or that person, they have the money to do it for profit. So, but thank you. Mr. McIntosh? I'm Matthew McIntosh, 601 Northwest 82nd Avenue, Plantation, Florida. I wasn't going to speak, but it's just a pattern I've noticed since I've been living here in Plantation, where there seems to be this ideology that if you're not a longtime homeowner, you're not a real resident. If you're not a longtime homeowner, you're not invested in the city. But I've been here for this tonight, fucking, like, four hours, excuse my language. Hey, hey, hey, slow down. We're not going to be cussing up here. I can understand you're going to be, uh, you got worked up, but you're not going to be dropping F-bombs up there. Otherwise, I'm cutting you off and you're done. Understood. Okay. I apologize. Thank you. I'm just saying it's very frustrating as a renter to be essentially, in a way, like, dehumanized, where it doesn't matter, like, how many nights I'm sitting here and hearing everybody out, that I am somehow less of a person, that I am somehow not a resident of Plantation, that somehow if I'm walking, it's because I don't have a job. I work in Plantation. I live in Plantation. I go to events. I'm here now. I will be here next time. But somehow, people like me somehow don't, like, aren't true residents that were somehow not vested in the community. And this is hurtful to hear that. Mr. McIntosh, I guarantee you, nobody on this day feels you're less of a resident, whether this is day one in the city or day 50 years. Renters, your rent includes property taxes. So if you live in this city and you're paying a rent or you're paying a mortgage and you're paying your property taxes, you're paying property taxes, you're contributing to this city, you're going to the local businesses, you're contributing to this city, you're coming to the city council meeting, you're stating your mind, what you're passionate about, what you want us to hear. You are influencing us. You're part of this city. So do not take offense. My issue was an error of anyone on the dais. No, I know. I'm trying to set the record straight for everyone that if someone lives in this city, whether they're a renter or a longtime resident, we're all the same. We want to live in a beautiful town. That's it. So I appreciate your passion and not out of character for you with that. Yeah, apologies. No, you're good. You're good. Yeah. So if you want to finish it, go ahead. But yes, this is more to like the other residents that, you know, it's rare people too. I might not have been in the exact city lines and plantation for my entire life, but I was born and raised in Broward County. I don't think that makes me less of a resident, of a longtime resident. I grew up in Palmina Beach and Coconut Creek. I've lived in Coral Springs. I've lived in downtown Fort Lauderdale. That diversity of experience, I think, is an asset based off of the comments I've heard. But I just want to help set that record straight. Thank you. Say, some of us were born here and some of us chose to be here. So, you chose to be here. We appreciate it. Thank you. Thank you. Any other comments? All right. With that, we have a motion and a second. Can Ms. Beggarrope please call the roll? Council Member Horland. Yes. Council Member Einstein. Yes. Council Member Anderson. Yes. Council Member Andrew. Yes. Council Member Pageant. Yes. Quasi-judicial items. Staff requested to be deferred until March 27, 2024. Do we need to make a motion to deferred, or? Excuse me. Is this going to be re-advertised? So then, no, you do not need to make a motion. Okay. Moving on. I said the 27th of 2024. Okay. It's going to be re-advertised. Mayor Sortel. So, we have had an eventful night. You're going to take a shot at it, April? You know, we are a tree city, and I am going to print up bumper stickers and window stickers that advertise we're a tree city to build community pride. And before I printed them up, I had a couple ideas. I thought I'd put them up and get you all's input. Doesn't mean I'm going to follow it, but if there's a passionate input one way or another, let's ask it. No, but let's all ask, right? Yeah, absolutely. So, this is the traditional. I'm proud. I think I'm proud of my tree city. I'm proud of my tree city. We've gone through a bunch of iterations. Can you flip through the next one, April? And the other option, the heartbeat, one is the heartbeat of the tree, and the other one is the, go to the next one, April, if you don't mind. That one. I don't like that one. I hated that L. No offense. No, but that's why I'm getting inputted. I didn't know what it was about, but I didn't like it. If you have, you know, I prefer it to be a little more constructive than I hated it, but it's 10 at night, so what the hell? I'm saying move on to the other ones. What's that? Sorry, Mayor. I said the other ones. Oh, okay. Yeah, because you're, all right. Other thoughts? Anybody inputs? I think. Go ahead. You're closest. I'm sorry. I'm not on. I like the idea. Can I suggest in lieu, though, of the traditional bumper sticker that you do more of the magnet? Yes, we're pricing that, too. Okay. Yeah, good call. Just because I wouldn't put a bumper sticker on my car, but I won't do a magnet. I had 200 when I ran, and they went like that, but that was me, maybe. Anyway. So, and I do. I like the idea. Was there a consideration given to using the actual Tree City USA logo as a couple of things? Keep going. Well, as the daughter of an artist who was in advertising, looking at these, nothing lines up. So that just drives me crazy when I, that drives me crazy when I look at it, just from an aesthetic standpoint on several of them. But I, I think that when we say I'm proud of my Tree City, people don't realize we've gotten the designation. So, so, so somewhere in, in, in, I indoctrinate the, um, Tree City. And I don't even know that you have to have our logo on there, but it could be City of Plantation and have the, but I think that the Tree City USA logo should be on there. Are we allowed to? Well, it's, we have it on the flag. I think it's, once you have it. You mean the one provided by Tree City? Yeah. All right, we'll go back on that. They provide it to you. And I've seen other cities who use that. You mean a circle around the tree that says the City of Plantation? You know, the circle thing, incorporate what Council Member Horland's saying. And then maybe that's like a, a window sticker. Because I think most, not most people, I think people prefer to put stickers under a window as opposed to on the car themselves. Right, right. Like a decal or a car. Yeah, like the Familia Bordo things that people put to show the kids they have and everything, put inside the window. The circle thing there. That was the thing. Yes. Yeah. Phil brought that up, too. But I think of anything that was, I like the idea, but I think of anything that was submitted, I'd rather see the Tree City logo. There, and I think that would make more sense to people. Same goes for the public. If you have thoughts, email me. MeritPlantation.org. Tell me what you think. We good with that? Any more thoughts? I'm sorry. I got about four or five topics I'm zipping through. Sorry. Council Member Anderson. If it's not to, yes, I agree with Tree City logo, but I do think the Plantation logo should be there, too. It's a tree, and it's saying it's our city, but I don't know if it's too busy having both logos. So, somehow try to work it up. The goal is I want it ready for Earth Day. Oh, that's tough. Right, somewhere there at Earth Day, and we can get it out there when people are there and build everything. You guys saw in your packet probably a picture of a van, a driving vaping van. Some really bright kids from Plantation High came to visit us. Laura and I were there at the meeting, and they said these vape trucks are driving around neighborhoods, almost like an ice cream truck. Pull in and vape. Now, we have not heard them in Plantation. We've heard them elsewhere. I'm flagging it now because if you see it, please let me know, and long term, we might have to do some kind of legislation. Yeah, I don't vape, so I don't know. So, no, and I'm glad you brought it to our attention. Legally, what can we do? I don't know. I'm not even there yet. Again, we're just talking about it. What do we do with food trucks? Because it's kind of like it's just the product that they're selling. Yeah, well, food trucks are a challenge because there's a statutory preemption of food trucks. Okay, for food. State law. So, the vape doesn't fall under that preemption? No. Okay. No. So, there is something we could, yeah. There's. And we're way ahead of ourselves. Okay, okay. Yeah. Go ahead, I'm sorry. That's the only thing I was questioning when I read it. Vape trucks, you could look at regulating and or prohibiting like you do any other permitted use in a particular zoning district. Okay. There we go. And definitely, I mean, 500 feet of schools. There are some preemption issues because you're dealing with tobacco products, which are preempted. But it's something that you could look into. There's about, according to them, there's SWAT, SWIT, whatever, anti-tobacco groups. And Plantation High has a good one. And they were active and they came in and talked. And we got a bright kid from McFadder who lives in Plantation. And McFadder is active in this, too. So, that's why we want to cultivate that. So, I want to get back. Go ahead. Council Member Reins. You know, I thought I, I think that was a wonderful idea to look into this. And I'm wondering why we're waiting until we see it become a problem in Plantation. If there's potential legislation, if there's something that we could put in the books so that we're prepared for that. I'd rather, I'd rather think preemptively than, proactively, than worry about after the fact. Then we, we try and deal with it after they're already in our city. Agree. Okay. We'll talk about it then. Okay. Thank you. 427 is what is called the Mayor's Gala at the Hard Rock. I don't plan on going. I think Council Member Reinstein talked about going. Is there an interest in y'all going or not? You're aware of it all. It's a fundraising thing. If you want to go, I'm asking you now, I'm polling the audience. I'm polling you guys to see. What's it for? It's a fundraiser, I think, for United Way. Oh. Yeah. United Way, is that what it is? Right. Yeah. No, I'm not, I'm not interested in that. I don't think I'm available. Yeah. We've got enough going on. I don't need to go anyplace else, but okay. So we're good there. Reggae genealogy people came and visit us. Did you guys get an update from them? Did they email you a packet or anything? No. All right. We'll send it out. They talked to us, and February 8th is their date. Right, Jason? So they've already picked their date for next year. It's February 8th. They're going to do it in the same place, and we're talking with them about it. So that was successful. And I'm looking at doing a state of the city update where we talk about everything daily and small things, but where are we on all the big things? So I'll probably try to line that up. I'll probably try to get it at 530 someday before we have these things. My point of telling you all is if you have topics that you think want to be on there or you think need pointed out, send them either to me or to Jason, and that way as we put it together, that will include you all. That's it. Thank you, Mayor. Do we have any board vacancies to fill? Okay. I think we're at Councilmember Comments. Councilmember Horland. Thank you, Mr. President. I'll try to make this quick. Mayor, you mentioned Earth Day, and you had invited these students from South Plantation to come last time from the Magnum program about the Cortada projects, which I was not familiar with and went back and did some reading. So my question is it's actually very interesting and very timely with the sea level rise signs that they put up. Have they been invited to participate in Earth Day? Because I thought it would be great for them to be able to – somebody could walk up, put in their address on a phone, and they can give them the sign and paint it there. You knew you were going to get up here. At least it's not trash. Thank you. Appreciate that. You know, that's a plus. The Sustainability Board did invite the kids from the South Plantation High Magnet Program to the Rock the Park event last week and had them at their booth. They've been discussing, and I believe it's their intent, to also invite the kids to join them for Earth Day. Okay, because I'd love to see those signs around town. I would put one out, so that's great. It's a good project, Mayor. I will ask them specifically about the Cortada project. Great, thank you. I was there. I met Mr. Cortada, who gave a big speech at South Plant and everything. Yeah, no, it's great. I looked it up. It's really fabulous. Yeah. A couple of things. On March 15th, the South Florida Regional Planning Council will be having a joint all-day meeting in Palm Beach, and we are specifically going to be talking about property insurance. So if you have any questions or comments you'd like me to bring up, please let me know ahead of the 15th. I walked in here a little sick to my stomach today because, as you saw in the email, short-term rentals was on the House floor. We knew this was a priority of Senate President Pasadomo. She was pushing the Senate bill. No one in the House wanted to touch it, but, boy, they found somebody to pick it up. And watching two days of floor debate was not the most pleasant use of my time. You know, one of the things that really upset me yesterday was the bill sponsor, Mr. Representative Griffiths, saying, gee, if law enforcement was doing their job at the local level, we wouldn't have to be regulating this. And I thought, you have no clue what this bill's about. We thought we had it. The Breyer delegation did an amazing job. Dan Daly was whipping votes. Our delegation members spoke out on the floor. They rushed the vote today. Not everybody can get their vote in. Some people walked out, and it passed in the House 60 to 51, whatever it was. So we knew that once it goes to the Senate, it was her priority. Jason Pizzo is prepared to tear the bill apart, but it's going to pass. 60 is a magic number. Yeah, so our only hope right now is Governor Vito, and that's what we're going to work towards. But we've been fighting this for a long time. We're usually by the skin of our teeth at the very end. But it was really disheartening because it wipes out our ordinance, essentially. So anyway, we'll see. Everybody pray for a veto by the governor. If you have any influence, please reach out to Governor Sanders. But there was some good news. We were able to beat back that utility transfer bill and also the business tax license where they wanted to eliminate that. So that was good. Unfortunately, Carol's not going to sleep for probably the next year. She worries about sovereign immunity. We thought we had a great deal to even just get it passed, and it would be a very small increase. But now the incoming leader wants to come in at sovereign immunity levels, probably around $1 million. So where we're at $200,000 and $400,000, so yeah, so Carol's a little sick to her stomach today. So the other thing is the homestead exemption. We're able to beat back one of those, but the other one tied to CPI, we're trying to get a five-year implementation. That did not pass. It's an election year issue. A lot of people are going to run on that, so that is going to be on the ballot. So that is my legislative update for tonight. Thank you for everyone. I know it was a long day, and we had a lot of good discussions. So thank you for allowing me the time to update you on that. No problem. Council Member Anderson? Rock to Parker. I don't see Phil. Anyway, Rock to Parker. Oh, there he is. Phil. Rock to Parker was great. Thank you, Phil. Thanks for the data. 4,000. Yeah, 4,000. But the one before that, the one I missed the week before, 5,000-something, yeah, on the Saturday. And to the fire department chief, that was just outstanding. It just really, I already have, we already, I'm sure we all hold our fire department in high regard, but giving us the perspective of what you actually go through. Tony, yeah, he's right there next to you. Thank you. He had our back and front. Tony's the guy that took us in the room. I'm taller than Tony on my knees. Close. But thank you for, it just gave us a unique perspective, and it was very cool to do, and it gives us a new level of respect and appreciation for you guys. Thank you. Absolutely. Mr. Mayor? I echo what Council Member Horland said for our meeting, but we got a lot of stuff done. We had a lot of cases. We did a lot of hard work. And sometimes you just got to grind the stuff out, and you just got to keep going. Keep your eye out for Netflix tomorrow. Layoffs are coming out, and my boy is sweating it. So send my boy a good thought tonight, if you please. I appreciate that. Council Member Andrade. I, too, want to thank the fire chiefs for an absolutely amazing experience, and look forward to next year because Chief Todd said we're going to do even more. So I think I have a second career in my future here. I'm really thinking about pivoting. But tomorrow, South Plantation is hosting a college fair at 6.30 p.m., and just a reminder, too, that my Next Gen Scholarship is open until April 7th for all high school seniors in our city. And March 9th, oh, this is actually, I need Attorney Ezra's legal opinion. So I know you all are ready to go. But I am doing a food distribution drive with my colleague in the city of Sunrise, and it's Saturday, March 9th. But when we, when we're working with FarmShare, so when they had assigned a rules and regulations, and they wanted to make sure that the rest of our colleagues were okay with this event, and so they wanted some type of motion, I didn't have time, obviously, to contact and get it on the agenda because all of this just transpired. Would it be inappropriate for me to just get a consensus vote during council comments or get any feedback if anybody has a concern about the event? Well, you're not supposed to, you're not supposed to take action on an item that's not on the agenda because, again, affording people in the public an opportunity to participate. How would you feel if I wrote a proclamation? Does that get it done for you? If we run a proclamation through admin? Okay. I mean, I'd hate to have you even have to do that. I'm not sure why they're requiring that if it's just you personally. I'd love to do it. It's no problem. It just said that. They want to use your title? Yeah. You're not really supposed to. There's nothing affiliated with any campaigning or anything. Nobody's doing any of that. We have the county ethics code also. There's other ethics issues that we need to be mindful of. Are you soliciting? No. Okay. That's what I'm saying. There's nothing, none of that, and it's not even actually on city property. We're doing it at a church. But they had a clause in there that said if you're hosting a community food distribution outside of your district, you need the permission of the other elected officials. That's strange. And I just want to make sure I'm good because I'm by the book. So, okay. Well, you all are aware. If anyone has any concerns, please let me know. Always try to just operate in the spirit of transparency. And if you know anybody in need, 9 a.m. Saturday until noon at the St. Bernard Catholic Church on Sunset Strip. Also, Saturday, March 9th, I'm going to try to make it after the food distribution water days, water matters day, will be taking place at Treetops Park. And they are going to also be giving away free plants and trees and all of that wonderful stuff they do involving water conservation activities. And then, don't forget, Daylight Savings Time, March 10th. And also, the first night of Ramadan is Monday, the 11th. We have a three-week break before our next meeting. So, we will also be celebrating St. Patrick's Day on the 17th. And then, I never do this, but I just have to, and he's not even listening. But, if you will allow me to just take a personal privilege, my dad's 90th birthday is March 18th. Thank you. Of course. Thank you. Council Member Reinstein. So, in that spirit of personal privilege, since it's Social Work Month, and when you gave out the proclamation, I wanted to add that my sister, my stepsister, are both social workers. And so, I wanted to recognize them. And my niece is about to go and obtain her master's in social work. So, I thought that was great that you did a proclamation for Social Work Month. And I wanted to also express my gratitude to the fire department, to the fire marshal, to the chief, and all of the battalion leaders that were there, as well as CERT and fire rescue. And I will say that, as far as our fire marshal, that I had my hand on him going into that lot, into that firebox. And I couldn't see in front of me, but I had full trust, and he led us through it. And it was an incredible opportunity. So, thank you for letting us share that with you. Thank you. Thank you. In our mail today, we got a report regarding the pickleball feasibility study. Is there a plan for us to talk about that at council or at – I don't know. No. So, you're just telling us and then – I forget. It came from parks. If you want to bring back to it, I forgot the gist of it. Jason read through it, right? I think what I'm getting at is that I think it's – I like that we're expanding the courts because there's other avenues for people to play, but Central Park has to be revenuized. It can't be a non-revenue activity there. Every sport that's on there is paying some sort of fee for the lights. They're getting a free ride. And we've got to figure out how we're going to monetize it as we do at the tennis center. I mean, if the mayor's amenable to it, we can throw it on an agenda to have it as a discussion item. So, we're going to charge for pick-up basketball and walking around a track, too, if everything's – Well, the pick-up – but you're saying like PAO rec, you know, the rec basketball, they're paying a fee for those courts. They're paying a fee for those lights. What's that? I play Saturday mornings. That's fine, but I'm just saying – Anyway, go ahead. For the most part, it is getting – it's being revenuized. Happy to discuss it. If there's a way we can do it. Okay. Yeah. I'm just saying the only way we maintain what we have and make people want to keep coming back here is if we make sure that we support it with the revenue. So, that's what my whole point is, is maintaining why everybody keeps coming. It's not – Well, I think one of the things the report showed is the distribution of the facilities and the availability of them. But we'd be happy to have a further conversation about it. And part of the reason I'm bringing it up is because, you know, we got it here. I didn't have time to read it, so I don't really – I thumbed through it before the meeting, so I didn't have time. But I think it deserves a discussion. It's all about keeping the high level of why people are coming to the plantation. And it seems like the statistics are showing that we're doing something right because people are coming from all over to come play at our courts. And – Well, that's true. But it also shows the development in adjacent municipalities. It's going to kind of diminish that need a little bit. It actually could, but that's why we need to do everything we can to maintain our level of excellence. Okay. Just – I didn't think it was going to be – It's a future discussion. Is that an email? Fighting. It was part of your package. So, yeah. So, we put that out about a week or two ago. We put it all in y'all's mailbox, I guess. Is that how you got it? I don't know how you got it here. I got it here today. I don't necessarily come in and pick up my mail. Right. So, we put it in the mailbox a couple of weeks. So, that's why I've forgotten about it, actually. You got it in the council. Yeah. Okay. It wasn't criticism. No, no. I just didn't know how I got there. I genuinely didn't know. There's something good happening. We want to maintain it. That's all I'm saying. No objection. I like money. No. Me too. Went to Little League opening day on Saturday. I did have a fastball strike first pitch. None of the other people out there make comments about their pitches. You just take what you want from that. But that – it was a lot of fun. And there was a little kid with really big glasses, and he's destined to be an umpire. And then Chief Todd, amazing experience. Thank you. I think that's probably one of the best things about this job is when we get a little taste of what our people are experiencing. You know, you kind of envision what it was about, but you go in there, and literally, I think Matt was like 18 inches in front of me. I said, oh, I lost them like two seconds into the door. So, just totally amazing. I'm ready to go do some pressure washing or fix some sidewalks, cut some grass, maybe do some debits or credits. Someone owes me a boot day, so I'm waiting for a rainy day. So, with that, we are adjourned. It's 10 to 12.