City Council — Jun 11, 2025

Good evening and welcome. The Wednesday, June 11, 2025 City of Plantation City Council meeting is now called to order at 6 p.m. Ms. Beggaro, please call the roll. Councilmember Anderson? Here. Councilmember Andreu? Here. Councilmember Fech? Here. Councilmember Horland? Here. Councilmember Reinstein? Here. Mayor Sortel? Here. City Attorney Ezra? Here. Thank you. And I will turn it over to Councilmember Horland, who has the opening remarks and Pledge of Allegiance for tonight. Thank you, Mr. President. Good evening. As many of you know, on Saturday evening, I was honored to be sworn in as the President of the Briar League of Cities. Thank you. Oh, that's not why I do it. But thank you. This honor not only reflects upon me, but on the City of Plantation, which in the 68-year history of the League has only been represented one other time, 53 years ago when Frank Veltry served as President. So I'm really, it's quite an honor to represent the City of Plantation. Whether we're fighting home rule issues or advocating for our school resource officers to receive more pay, there is strength in working together as one Broward. I unveiled my initiative of leading one Broward on Saturday night, and I wanted to share a portion, a small portion of my speech with you this evening. My colleagues have already heard it, because it reflects directly on what this particular body that sits up on this dais exemplifies. As elected officials, we were chosen by our communities to lead, to develop strong, thoughtful public policies, to make decisions that uplift our residents, and to collaborate with one another in a spirit of respect, trust, and unity. Leading one Broward reminds us that leadership isn't just about holding office. It's about holding ourselves accountable to a higher standard. It's about working together to strengthen confidence in our municipal government. And perhaps most importantly, it's about ensuring that when our time in office comes to an end, we can say with pride that we left our cities better than when we found them. Leadership is not easy, but it's essential that we do it well. It requires courage, collaboration, and a deep commitment to something bigger than ourselves. And as I said to a room of 500 people this past weekend, I am proud and grateful to sit up on this dais with the people who sit here with me and share those same values. And now, would you please stand and join us in the Pledge of Allegiance. I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. Thank you very much, Councilmember Hoyland. And next on our agenda, we have items submitted by the mayor. The first one is a proclamation, which is one that I will be presenting. So June is Scleroderma Awareness Month, and tonight, in support of the nationwide initiative to raise awareness for this rare and often misunderstood autoimmune disease, we will be presenting a proclamation to a very special person. And I'm going to ask Michelle to come forward, along with the executive director of the South Florida chapter of the National Scleroderma Foundation. And I will meet you up here for the reading of the proclamation. So, whereas scleroderma is a group of autoimmune diseases that can cause thickening and hardening of the skin, as well as affecting other parts of the body, including blood vessels, muscles, and internal organs, and whereas comprehensive and coordinated healthcare services for people affected by scleroderma are essential to improving health outcomes and quality of life, and whereas recognizing the month of June 2025 Scleroderma Awareness Month provides an opportunity to highlight the challenges faced by those living with this condition, and whereas through increased public awareness, the City of Plantation aims to support individuals with scleroderma and promote the advancement of care, resources, and research, and whereas all residents of the City of Plantation are encouraged to wear teal in June in support of scleroderma awareness and to participate in related community events throughout the month, and whereas the Florida Puerto Rico chapter, in partnership with the National Scleroderma Foundation and other organizations, is committed to raising awareness through support, education, and research in pursuit of a cure. Now, therefore, our Mayor, Nick Sordal, of the City of Plantation, and on behalf of the City Council, we do hereby proclaim June 2025 Scleroderma Awareness Month in the City of Plantation, and we urge all residents to join us in this special observance. Thank you. Welcome a few comments. Sure. At the young age of 11 years old, I was diagnosed with scleroderma along with five other autoimmune conditions. I quickly learned that my life was going to change just through the daily side effects that most of the time are invisible, which makes this disease very difficult to notice within the community, and a lot of times when I mention it to people, they don't know what it is, so my hope is to be able to spread awareness so that people are aware of what it is and the effects it has on our community. Thank you. I want to thank the Mayor, the Commissioners, and the City of Plantation for recognizing June Scleroderma Awareness Month. It is a mouthful, and the disease is a handful. As Michelle said, it comes with a lot of different conditions, and for patients, life is not easy. Michelle is one of the few children that have scleroderma in the U.S. They're around 300 so far, and we are very, very grateful for your support in bringing awareness and helping the community of Plantation learn more about us. Thank you. Thank you very much. Just to point out that we do have on the agenda another proclamation, which is for Dr. Dennis Trupkin Day, but that will be presented at his office on Friday, so it's on the agenda so everybody's aware of it. So next we will move right along and call up for Parks and Recreation. For upcoming events, we have Joel presenting, please. Joel Schick. Good evening, Councilmembers, Mayor, City Attorney. Joel Schick, Assistant Parks and Recreation Director. Summer camp is in full swing. We started this week with full camps at all of our facilities. Join us this Saturday, June 14th at 10 a.m. for the North Acres Park Grand Opening. Sunday, June 15th will be our Father's Day Brunch at the Plantation Preserve. Friday, June 20th, new event this year, the longest day of play. So we'll have events from sunrise to sunset. It'll be the longest day of the year, so come out. We have all of the listings on our social media pages and website as well. Excuse me. Our summer yoga in the park this year will continue to rotate parks between Liberty Treat and Jim Ward, so a little bit different this year from past summers. Aquatics, our members-only swim hours are back for the summer from 7 a.m. to 8 a.m., which will be now through Friday, August 9th. Lifeguard training course, July 18th through the 20th. Registration is currently open with a minimum age of 15. Resident rate is 236, and non-resident rate is 276. Excuse me. In athletics, we're currently registering for PAL cheerleading. Adult athletics, we have flag football, basketball, kickball, and softball registering. For more information, you can contact the Parks and Recreation Department at 954-452-2510, or email plantationparks at plantation.org. And then just on a side note, for an email that you received today regarding the golf course, there are still trouble areas that we're aware of that we're continuing to work on. Maybe not to the extreme of the email, but it's the same or better for if you did the tour probably about two or three months ago with the general manager. So there are things we're addressing, and we know that we're trying to stay on top of. Thank you very much, Mr. Schick. And just for the public's benefit is that earlier today, the council received an email from a member of the public just asking some questions about the current condition of the plantation preserve golf course. And I'd ask Mr. Schick that when he did come up that he would just address it to the public. So, you know, if people are driving by really any golf courses right now, the state of many of the golf courses are under a state of maintenance during the summer hours. And that's been our understanding. Thank you very much. Now we are going to recess the city council meeting real quick to call order to the CRA meeting at 6.10 p.m. And for the CRA meeting, Ms. Begaro, please call the roll. Commissioner Anderson. Here. Commissioner Andreu. Here. Commissioner Fadgen. Here. Commissioner Horland. Here. Commissioner Reinstein. Here. Commissioner Sortel. Here. City Attorney Ezra. Here. Thank you. For the CRA consent agenda, it consists of items 1 through 2 and may be approved with one motion. And just looking here, we do not have a request to pull any items. So does any member of the commission wish to pull an item or make a motion? So moved. Second. And we have a second. Seeing no further discussion on the CRA items, Ms. Begaro, please call the roll. Commissioner Anderson. Yes. Commissioner Andreu. Yes. Commissioner Fadgen. Yes. Commissioner Horland. Yes. Commissioner Reinstein. Yes. Commissioner Sortel. Yes. Thank you. Okay. Moving right along. Public requests of the commissioners regarding the CRA. I do have Mr. Conklin. Please come up. Time is yours, Mr. Conklin. Dennis Conklin, 4581 Northwest Sixth Court. Heavenly hosts protect you and your family. I have a couple of requests. First, a couple of comments. I was at last night's P&Z meeting and I would request that the commissioners do not let the developers in the CRA, after they demolished Plantation General Hospital erect a colossus eight-story rental building in Plantation Park East. I'm happy to announce that they're pushing dirt for the automated car wash almost across the street from it. And I have two requests for the commissioners. Would you please ask the city council to allow 12 volunteer plantation students to each read approximately 100 words of Declaration of Independence on the steps of City Hall after the Independence Parade? I don't think that the city council is hearing me. And also, I have another request. Sixteen days ago, Tuesday the 27th of May of 2025, Governor Ron DeSantis signed the Constitutional Article I Section 10 Gold and Silver Legal Tender Bill into law. The closing price of gold and the CAFR 2024 was $2,683.70 an ounce. Gold closed today at $3,363.40 an ounce. A dollar loss of purchasing power of 25.3% in eight months. It worked. I was passing these out to elected officials here and also the state senator. It was passed unanimously by the House before, and when it was called back in special session, the Senate passed it unanimously as well. Thank you. I'll yield back. Thank you, Mr. Conklin. Seeing no other public requests of the commissioners regarding the CRA meeting, public requests are now closed, and the CRA meeting is now adjourned at 6.14 p.m., and we will now reconvene the city council meeting at 6.14 p.m., and we will begin with public requests of the council regarding municipal affairs. Those who wish to speak on and make public requests of council regarding municipal affairs, we ask that you complete a speaker form. If you have not done so already, please do. When you are called and you approach the dais, please state your name and address, and please address your remarks to the council president, not the mayor, nor individual members of the council. Please keep your remarks to the allotted three minutes. If extra time will be needed to conclude your remarks, please ask for it as your time is expiring and not prior to beginning your remarks. Okay. First up, we have Mr. Warren Yardley. Good evening. Good evening. I am here to request, as you are aware of the conflict we've had with our wall. Mr. Yardley, just for the record, if you can just state your name and address, please. I apologize. Warren Yardley, 777 North State Road 7, Plantation, 33317. Go ahead, sir. Okay. I am here to, we've had an issue where the city of Plantation's wall was damaged. Our position was that it was not our wall and it wasn't on our property. We were incorrect in our assumption that it was not on our property. We came to you all. You all told us it was on our property. You need to fix it. We have fixed it. We have all the closed permits. We have passed everything that was asked of us to do. And so now I am here to address the fines that we have been, that are put against our dealership, our property anyways. Then I need your all's assistant with that matter. Mr. Yardley, can you tell us what is the total fines that are consistent? As of May 19th, it's $62,775.72, which we feel is a bit much, to say the least. We repaired the city of Plantation's wall at the cost of over $25,000. We did not cause this accident. We did not cause the damage to the wall. But since you all said that it's on your property, we've gone ahead and we've repaired it. And I have all the permits closed out summaries and everything is complete. And Mr. Yardley, is my understanding correct that that amount, you said $62,775.72, is that correct? That is correct. That that number is the number that has accrued since you first got notice of? Since 4-20 of 2025. I'm sorry, it goes back further than that. I'm just reading the previous balance. I apologize. It goes farther back than that. And was it your understanding that that number, that that amount is solely based on the fact that it... The wall wasn't repaired. One second, sir. That from the time that you first were made aware of the wall needing to be repaired, it took you time to figure out whose responsibility it was. And then once you did, you were trying to retain a contractor. And I remember you were here before us and you were telling us of the difficulty to retain a contractor because the work had already been done and they didn't want to be involved with something that had been previously been done. That is totally correct. Personally, I've contacted over 15 general contractors who did not want to do the job, but we were able to get a contractor to do it. The difficulty in the time was getting the contractor to do it. And it was also fabricating of the wall. We had to fabricate it exactly to the specifics of the rest of the wall because it slatted, if you will. So we had to have that done and that took a lot of time. That took months to get done. We hired a company out of Miami that came out and fabricated the wall exactly to the specifications. And that was very difficult to get done as well. Are you here to also tell us that you moved as quickly as possible from the first moment that you were notified of the need to rectify the issue with the wall? Absolutely. Part of the problem that we incurred was going through the permit process also. So that was very difficult. Mr. City Attorney, is it within our power as the council to waive that amount? I'm not familiar exactly with where we are if a lien's been entered. But under our city code, there are typically three options available to somebody who goes in front of a code enforcement and has a lien entered against them. They can apply for a lien reduction within the authority of the mayor, who is authorized to reduce it 25%. They can appeal. They can make an application to the special magistrate or they can make an application to the city council. Usually these matters don't come before you during a public request of council. But to answer your question, a lien, assuming one has been entered, runs in favor of the governing body. And the governing body always has the authority to compromise a lien. But we do have a process in our code, as I indicated. And Mr. Yardley has before him an invoice. He does not have a judgment lien itself. Do we know if there is a judgment lien entered? I do not offhand without conferring with staff. And Mr. Yardley, are you able to tell us whether there is actually a judgment lien entered? Not to my knowledge. I'm not able to tell you whether there is a lien. I was told that there is a lien on the property by the building department. Either Mr. Neunemaker or does any of our department heads have any further information? Yes, sir. Jason Neunemaker, CAO. One thing we're lacking is administrative costs, because typically if this is presented to the magistrate or the mayor in a normal course of events, the maximum discount, in the case of the magistrate who has the authority to discount all the way, would still preserve the administrative costs, realize. So the item, at least from our perspective, we'd want to agendize it. If it was council's goal to entertain this, I would caution you all that then you're opening things up quite a bit. Do you want to hear code cases on a frequent basis? Because you will probably get that. So just food for thought on that one. So back to the question. Are you aware whether there's a judgment lien that's been entered on the property? I believe there is a lien. I don't have the spreadsheet handy, but I can check. Okay. Mr. Yardley, do you have anything else to add at this time? No, sir. Does anybody from the dais have any questions? Go ahead, Council Member Fatchett. I don't want to be hearing code cases going forward. I'd like to go through the regular process. You obviously can come to us. You brought up some facts that we don't have before us, you know, the ownership of the wall being our wall. That might be the case. But, you know, typically that would be something that that proof or evidence would be presented to us on our agenda. So I would say if he wants to go before the council, then let's make a formal request and get it on the agenda would be my feeling on it. And, you know, it is normal for us to reduce these things because our stance is getting the things in compliance and documented properly and just recover our cause. So but I don't want to take any action now. If he wants to go before the council, then he can make that formal request. Otherwise, request it from the mayor or go to the magistrate is my opinion. Very good. Council Member Horland. Thank you, Mr. President. To Mr. Nunnamaker's caution, I agree that there should be some work with Mr. Matsey. On this, I don't necessarily want to hear code cases because I think it really does open up a can of worms. So my preference would be to work with administration to see what could be reduced and then if it needs to come to us, so be it. But that would not be my first course of action. Council Member Anderson. Same ditto what the other two my colleagues said. Obviously, we want any kind of full accounting because to hear it on the fly, we would need to see it in documentation on an agenda. So we would have when you were notified and so forth if there were a timeline broken down. We don't want to do our homework so that we could make a judgment from there. So I would want him to first start through administration, and if that's not enough, he certainly is one of his choices would be to go through us with documentation on an agenda item. I certainly feel this is a very unique situation. That was our wall, and they did their diligence. I just would not like to see the timeline if they really did act fast and exhausted all that, then we certainly need to meet them somewhere. So thank you, Council Member Anderson. So, Mr. Yardley, it sounds like generally it would make sense. Oh, I'm sorry. Council Member Andrea, I didn't see you there. No worries. Thank you. I spoke to Mr. Yardley several times and offered to assist with finding a general contractor, so I know he has been working on it. I think you need to work with administration to see what kind of reduction they're able to offer, and again, if that does not meet your needs, we will put it on an upcoming agenda item. Okay. Thank you. So, Mr. Yardley, I think the consensus then is that if you can please reach out to either Mr. Neumaker or the Mayor's office and see where you can work with the administration on this following what you've presented to us and see how that discussion goes with them. And if it's necessary, then request to them that you be put on an agenda, and all the documents that you're talking about, plus maybe some more that we've been at that we just asked about, can be put on our agenda so we can review it in advance, and then we'll look at it then. Okay. So your recommendation for me is to reach out to the Mayor's office? Yes, that's correct. The administration. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you. Next, I'd like to call up the Relay for Life for the American Cancer Society trifecta. Tracy, Rebecca, and Amanda. This will be much easier. Tracy, just pull the microphone down. I'm not telling them. You're good. Just tell us who you are. Tracy Uday, Rebecca DeVoe, and Amanda Fletcher. We are here to thank the city for their immense support of Relay for Life and the American Cancer Society. We'd like to thank our mayor and our city council members for everyone showing up and supporting the entirety of the event, for welcoming the other cities that joined us this year to make us even larger and grander, and for showing off how amazing our city is. Without your support, we would not have been able to hold such a successful event, and we raised over $275,000. $100,000 of that was a donation from a foundation. But our little team, our little city, we raised $175,000. So we thank you. We thank you for the use of the park. I'm on it. I'm on it. I'm on it. I started with parks. We thank you for the park staff. We especially would like to recognize, well, everyone in the parks, but Mike Manuel and Brad Hoyt, who are just outstanding. I mean, they know what we need before we know what we need. But to watch set up the day of is just magical. It's amazing to witness, to see how everyone comes together, and it's seamless. And it's not just setting up. It's the tents, the parks, the meeting space, and cleanup. How could we forget cleanup? I mean, we all know from overnights. Every city that joined us was just blown away by how amazing everything went, and we thank you so much. Anything else? Okay. Thank you. That was easy, right? Thank you very much. Do we have a date for next year? Not yet. Okay. Not yet. We'll look forward to it. Thank you so much. Next, we'll call up Mr. Dennis Conklin. And Mr. Carras, I see you here for public comments. Is that for public comments, or is it for number 14? Thank you. If I may approach. Yes. Dennis Conklin, 4581 Northwest Sixth Court. Those are the documents, which are the 12 pages for the Declaration of Independence. Last Wednesday, June 4th, was the 36th anniversary of the infamous Tiananmen Square Massacre, crushing the last liberty of the La Bajang people of China's liberties, ironically, by the Chinese Communist Party's People's Liberation Army. Last Friday, June 6th, was the 81st anniversary of the beginning of liberation of Europe from the Nazis in 1944. Next Saturday is coming, June 14th, is Flag Day. Next week's Thursday, June 19th, will be the 160th redemptive anniversary known as Juneteenth, when America's federal troops beat out the last slaveholders in Texas and freed their slaves. 1,916 days ago, public health emergency was declared with lockdowns, closing of America's houses of worship, mandatory masking and shots, which were never officially called vaccines, but instead countermeasures, creation of essential and non-essential Americans, the loss of our unalienable God-given individual rights. Two days ago, Upsling, Monday, June 9th, Secretary Robert F. Kennedy Jr. terminated all 17 members of the CDC Vaccine Review Committee, which acted as a rubber stamp and never rejected a single vaccine, even after they were withdrawn for safety reasons since the 1990s. 613 days ago, was the terrorist organization Hamas' beginning of the war against Israel, which is still ongoing. A day later, 612 days ago, the terrorist organization Hezbollah began its war against Israel, and it was destroyed by Israel. 414 days ago was the coordinated college jihad that began attacking Jewish people on campuses all across America. And the jihad quickly spread to cities across America, attacking synagogues, Jewish communities, and Jewish people, leading to, 11 days ago, Sunday, June 1st, the firebombing attacks in Democratic Sanctuary City, Boulder, Colorado. 334 days and 270 days ago, there were two attempts on President Trump's life. 219 days ago was the landslide re-erection of President Donald J. Trump, and it is the 143rd day of his second administration. I would like to make the request to end budgeting and practice of mandatory DEI training. 15 seconds. Just to finish that sentence of your request, there should be nothing left, sir. Thank you. And budgeting practice, mandatory DEI training for city employees, stop the budgeting. Also for EV purchases and the infrastructure of EV, which are electric. Thank you for concluding. I yield back. Thank you. There's no time to yield back. Mr. Carreras. Good evening. Frank Carreras, 701 North Fig Tree Lane Plantation. Hi, everybody. So, yeah, it kind of is about the topic, but, again, not to talk about the topic, but to really petition you all to ask many, many questions with regards to the purchase or the sale of the property that's north of IATIS there that's on the agenda. What's the facade going to look like? What's the site plan going to look like? You know. So it is about 14 or it's not about 14? Well, it's my petition to you. It is. I said initially it is, but it isn't. It's my petition to you to ask. Okay. So to ask the various questions that I thought of, and I think that's a nice little loophole that I can use in my wording. I think you would appreciate that as an attorney. Outro. That's fine. But with regards to that, you know, I'm not, you know, talking about, you know, Trump up here and pontificating about all the way to three minutes either. So I just wanted a few, one minute just to say that, to put it on y'all, to really ask in-depth questions and say, well, why is that the winner? Okay. And not out for a proposal with other people. All right. So that's it. Thank you. Thank you very much. Do we have any commenters online? Last call. Any other requests to speak from Council Chambers? Make requests regarding municipal affairs. Seeing none, public requests of the Council regarding municipal affairs are now closed. We'll now move to the consent agenda. The consent agenda consists of items 1 through 13 and may be approved with one motion. Does any member of the Council wish to pull an item? One. Four. I would like seven and eight. Do we have a motion? Anybody from the, I'm sorry, but did you have any, were you pulling any from the? There was none from the public. Okay. Okay. Motion to approve items 1 through 13 minus 1, 4, 7, and 8. Do we have a second? Second. Seeing no other comments on those items, Ms. Beggaro, please call the roll. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Warren? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. Council Member Andreu, I see you clicked in. Are you, um, are you clicked in on an item? No. Okay. Um, Council Member Fadgen, number one. Thank you. Um, one of the items in the backup was, um, to, if we go to the normal procurement process, to do the alternative procurement process of the informal solicitation for the bids, um, it says backup, or, uh, loss of grants, and I didn't see any backup in there for any grants that we're going to lose, so is there a grant involved with the, um, procurement of this? So there's no grants associated with the, um, the reconditioning of the courts itself, but I believe there's a grant associated with the lighting portion of that, and as such, we have to get the courts done in order to move forward with the lighting part of it. So a delay in this process, in this part of it, could create a delay in the lighting. And is this just, uh, like normal maintenance, um, you know, the normal schedule of the, of the, um, resurfacing of the courts? If we don't do it, it will cause, it could lead to a higher cost because there would be more work to be done because the sublayers would be damaged, and that's, this, this is the normal time, time cycle? I will have to defer to the Parks Department too. Uh, Joel Schick, Assistant Director. Yeah, as far as that, it's a regular time cycle, so there's different, like, cracks and things that will start to happen that we'll have to pay extra funds for to have those sealed prior to the recoding of it. Um, so we had seven and eight, um, to the west of it done in 2023, um, as they're naturally separated from the remainder of the courts, and this was part of a second phase project for that core system with the lighting. Okay. Um, this kind of, like, falls under the category for me that these are systematic, um, regular maintenance, whereas we should be able to anticipate when we need to do this and therefore start a procurement process that we can go through the normal bid process as opposed to doing the informal bid solicitations. I have concerns about, um, doing this alternative, um, procurement method. So, um, if we know that they need to be done within that five to seven year window in order to protect the sub layers, I don't know the right terminology, but it sounds like it, right? Um, I would like to just make sure that we have this calendar, on the calendar and get, um, start the process so that we can do it through a regular procurement process. I, I'm getting, I've, I've kind of stated on the record how I feel about these alternative. They're valid. I'm not saying it's not, but I just feel like it's in the best interest of the residents and our taxpayers to, um, go through the normal, uh, standard procurement process. So that's, that's all I really had, had to say on that. Thank you. Um, I'll make a motion to approve. Second. Seeing no other comment regarding item one, Ms. Beggarro, please call the roll. Council Member Anderson. Yes. Council Member Andreu. Yes. Council Member Fudgen. No. Council Member Horland. Yes. Council Member Reinstein. Yes. Thank you. Council Member Anderson. Item number four. Danny. I assume that's what you're already coming up. Um, Charles, it's mostly for him. Oh, then you know what? Don't, don't go too far. Just in case. Hi, good evening. Hi, Danny. How you doing? Um, I didn't get to call you ahead of time and this is hopefully quick. The, um, the, so we've been paying for, for many years, uh, how long did it say? We've been paying for an outside contractor 30 years to monitor our pump stations. Correct. If it's one mechanic to monitor the stations for a month, why are we paying $254,000? Couldn't we hire two or three or four employees for that cost? So, to answer your question, it's not just one mechanic that we're looking at hiring. So, this is a 24-hour, three, you know, seven-day-a-week, 365-monitoring service. And what it does is our SCADA system calls out these, this company automatically. They do the initial response. If it's a quick or simple repair, they'll perform those repairs for the city through our contract. If it is a repair that we can do in-house, we will send our mechanics to do those, not utilizing them. Um, it's the, the 20, the 24-7, 365 is huge for the automatic. We get a response time generally within 30 minutes to the site. So, is it really, because it, so it's not really $250,000. It's $5,000 a month to have the, I'm on standby. And when they're called out, they're paid at the rate specified in the contract. Is that the way you would interpret it? Well, we have the base bid. And we will, we will, we'll hit this number at, or, or close to it. This is generally up to where we go with it. Just a note on this company. We had 10-year contract with these folks where they did not increase their prices. They just came back to us with a new price increase under this submittal when they bid on the job. So, we have a pretty good history with this company. Originally, when this SCADA system was purchased, this was the, uh, it was their system. It was proprietary. They, they owned the system. So, we've maintained this relationship with them. We have weaned a lot of work back from them because we have slowly built our lift station crews to where we're able to do and control the cost better than having an outside contractor do it. But this, this initial response and the initial work that they perform, whether it be clogged pumps or anything like that, preventing the sewer overflows in the street, is a pretty critical service to us. It's beneficial. I hear you. I, I still am confused. If it's $5,000 a month for monthly monitoring and they get out there and triage it and or fix it on the spot, so that would probably be just the $95 or $140, depending on the time of day for the hour, how do we hit $250,000? Because $5,000 times 12 is $60,000. How are we hitting $250,000? We have 144 lift stations within our system that are on telemetry. Uh, currently we have about another 12 that aren't, uh, on telemetry. They're, they're smaller stations that don't require that 24-hour, uh, you know, instant connection to us. Uh, that being said, with the 144 stations, rain events, and everything, it's, you can hit these numbers. And you still feel, and look, I don't discount, you have loyalty and familiarity and history. That's very important in my book. But if you, if we're building such good capacity under your leadership and so forth, and we are weaning off, and we are, like, they're triaging, and then we're doing the repairs, I'm surprised we're not pushing the costs lower with what you've said you're doing. Some of our costs have calmed down as we have built the system. So, years ago, this company would do the, they would pull the pumps, they would do the repairs, the rewindings, and everything through us. We've taken over a lot of that, and we've actually started noticing, I would say, the last couple years, um, because we didn't start building, really, until about four years ago, three or four years ago, we slowly, slowly started adding to that. But keep in mind, the crews that are working on this, our lift station crew, it's a 16-person crew with one supervisor. They cover all three plants, the two water plants, the waste. Do they have a 16-person crew? Is that what you're saying? No, no, we do. We do. So, as we're able to utilize our staff to do a lot of this work, we're actually doing some of the rebuilds of the pumps, saving additional monies in-house. So, we've trimmed our expenses quite a bit. I mean, if you look at our overall expenses on an annual basis of what it costs to maintain and run the lift stations, they're substantial. So, this is a very small component of the entire, uh, call it lift station, uh, portion. And, and could you, thank you, you're giving me, I was, I think I'm asking a good question, you're giving me the answers I want to hear. Um, the, there's only one bidder. That usually concerns me, but I understand their history. Is that why people don't bid against them, or are they a competitive cost compared to other cities that get multiple bids? Are you aware of what another city would call, uh, pay for monitoring of a similar number of stations? Lift station, telemetry, or any type of SCADA systems are, is a unique service. It's hard to compare? There's not a lot of companies out there. We do have another company, um, which will be coming back in the very near future, uh, here. Trinova is another company that we utilize, but it's a different type of telemetry. It's more associated with the, the plants, the plant end of it. Their, their numbers, as you'll see when it comes back before you, are even higher than this company's. So, each portion of, of, of SCADA is, it's a different, um, it's a different level. You, when you have, when you have some SCADA that, that is turning on pumps and everything else within the, and chemical feeds and things of that nature, and water treatment, that's a specialty niche. There might be a handful of companies that do that. There's not many that do lift station telemetry. There, there's a few out there, and they did have the opportunity to bid. I believe it was, it went out to, but none of, but this is the sole bidder, isn't it? Yes, this was the only bid to submit, and, um, part of the reason is because utilities have done such a great job trimming, trimming the fat from their processes. The other, um, bidder that you would have seen would have been U.S. Water. U.S. Water typically privatizes the water treatment and, um, lift station maintenance processes, but because the job is not so robust, they decide not to bid. Yeah, it's not, it's not worth their money to bid. Okay. By us performing, excuse me, by us performing more and more work on our own lift stations, the ability to do it, um, with administration support, we've been able to build the team, um, uh, we're not where we want to be yet, and we're going to continue to, to grow as the city grows, um, but I think we've done a pretty good, pretty good job at trimming it. And as Charles was saying, because we're doing a portion of the work, there are companies that might not be interested in looking at this because they feel it's not there in their, that's where they could, it's not a money major for profit. Right. Okay. I appreciate your detail. Thank you. All right. Thanks, Charles. Thank you very much. Uh, Councilman Anderson, do you have a motion to approve item four? Second. Seeing more for their comments, for their questions, Ms. Beggarro, please call the roll. Councilmember Anderson. Yes. Councilmember Andreu. Yes. Councilmember Feldman. Yes. Councilmember Horland. Yes. Councilmember Reinstein. Yes. Councilmember Andreu, uh, uh, we have item seven for you. Thank you, President Reinstein. Mr. Spencer, what is the termination date on this agreement? The termination date is upon notice of termination by the city to the vendors, a perpetuity agreement. Because I'm just concerned that it is from 2007. So, um, I guess that can have its pros and cons because if they're keeping their prices somewhat, they're not. So the way this agreement works, we implemented a, a system and the agreement is serving as the backbone of how we proceed, how we pay the maintenance. So we have a reoccurring annual maintenance charge that has a built-in multiplier that we see every year when we present it to you all for approval. That maintenance provision is in the current agreement that allows us to, um, continue to process the maintenance charge, but we have to present it to you all for approval. So how come we haven't gone out with a more recent master agreement? And I'm only concerned too, because then some of the statutes that have changed since 2007 aren't included. Correct. So there hasn't been any change to the actual agreement itself. So usually when we update any agreements by amendments or something like that, we would then, um, incorporate all of the newer statutes. Typically, and I'll get with legal to make sure I'm correct on this though. Um, usually an agreement does not have to be amended with new terms unless it is, um, the agreement is being amended in its entirety. This agreement has not changed. We are using the natural provisions already associated with the amendment. Again, uh, the agreement, again, I don't have to get with legal, but usually there's some language in the statutes when it comes to that. Okay. I technically, that's correct. We don't include new statutorily required provisions unless we're amending the agreement. That, that is correct. So even if there's some state statutes that have been implemented after 2007, we don't have to include those if we're not. Not legal. Again, the, most of the statutes typically provide for entering into an agreement or amending an agreement. That's the trigger. Um, you could always ask. The, the problem usually on agreements like this, when you ask, it just opens up a can of worms. Okay. All right. Motion to approve item seven. Do we have a second? I still have further, I have, I have questions. May I? Go ahead, Councilman Landry. So, I did not catch, I'm sorry, I didn't catch that it was from 2007. That's crazy that we're at 18 years and have not ever put it back out to bid. That floor, I, I, I'm stunned. So this is a working asset management system for the city. So you, to put it back out, we'll be basically changing the asset management system for the city of Plantation. Maybe it's a lot cheaper in 2025. I will let administration and IT speak to that. Jason, I'm going to make your CAO again. It doesn't, it's somewhat skipping to the next item that I believe is going to be discussed as well. We do look for those opportunities. So the next item is going to discuss, we're being transitioned into subscription as a service for a seller. One of the things the administration has talked to IT about is, how can we get more for our money here? Because what they often sell you on is that, well, we're going to, we're going to provide you support. You don't have to worry about this, that, and the other thing. But we're very well equipped to handle on-prem situations. So they're forcing us into a situation we don't necessarily, necessarily want to be in. So with that, asset management inventory is something that a seller may offer. So you may see us in a future migrate away from this system in favor of that one. So we are looking at other opportunities. We also have an ERP solicitation that is concluding, we'll be bringing forward. So we're not, I don't want you all to feel like we're married to this system. We're not. But typically for a system of that nature, it is a long-term engagement because you use it. All right. Well, I don't have any further questions. There's more of a comment. Thank you. So there was a motion. Do we have a second? Second. Seeing no further comments, no further questions, Ms. Beggaro, please call the roll. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. Item number eight, Council Member Andreu. Thank you. Again, this item had a large price tag, right? Six years for $1.3 million. And so how will this upgrade benefit the residents of Plantation? I have a few questions. If you don't mind, I'll just lump them together and you can probably take them at one time. Will we be able to do online payment processing? Is there a mobile app included? We decided to upgrade our cell in lieu of going with like Intergov or any of the other popular ones that other municipalities use. So what are the real benefits? Because we hear all the time, we heard it tonight, about, you know, our permitting situation, sometimes taking long and being cumbersome. So how will this upgrade help our residents with that process? Good evening, John Monofusco, IT Director. As Mr. Nunamaker has stated, some of these softwares, we get forced into certain platforms and online cloud is where everything is heading. So it's really not a choice of us to stay on-prem. However, there is some value added to this. With the transition to the cloud, there are access to more modules that we would have not had previous to this. As you know, we currently do permitting with the CELA. We do the citizen's access where they can do their online submittals and their electronic document submittal. There's also a mobile piece for our inspectors currently. But with that comes, with this new system of the cloud version, there's service request management, which we don't currently have. So if the public, and there is an app for this portion of the service request, so if the public is out and about and they see water coming out of the ground or whatnot, they can go on the app, report it, and the service order is submitted. And then someone goes out and validates what's the issue. Linking to that, there's a work order infrastructure management, asset management piece that is included in this price. So we could consolidate that and move away from some of the other applications we have. So keeping track of the city's assets that's included in this price as well. There's right-of-way management, which is a tough area to manage, but this solution will provide us a way to coordinate all activities that take place in the right-of-way. There's also local business tax. We have a customized version now, but they have a different version that we could take advantage of. There is an environmental health module. You can track air and water quality if you so choose to. And there's also a mosquito program. The city, it will help you track those environmental issues. There is a fire safety module. It just deals with inspections of fire systems, sprinklers, hydrants, extinguishers. It's not record managers. It's just inspections of those apparatus. And then again, the app for just public concerns. More like a 311, hey, I see something. I want to report it. So those all are included, which we currently don't have. So we'll be utilizing those modules. Because the thing is that, and I discussed this with Mr. Noonamaker, what I don't want is for us to make this large purchase. And we're buying the Porsche, but we're only using the forward version. So if we're going to have all these modules, and it includes these modules already in this price, are we going to utilize all of them? To my understanding, that is the intention. Obviously, it takes time to implement and configure, but that is the intention, to consolidate wherever we can. Okay. I hope that, I know we did a training in Acela months ago. I believe Mr. Holmes had put that on. I hope that as we upgrade the system, we'll do that again, and it will be more user-friendly, and there'll be some way for the residents to maybe track their permitting process, as well as their contractors. Because it is very hard. I've used it from that vantage point. It's very hard to know where you are in the process. And I didn't feel like, when I did a submittal, I didn't feel like there was an alert on the city's end, whoever that staff member was responsible, to go back in and see that submission. So if I didn't pick up the phone and call them, they weren't necessarily going in to see that I had submitted a document. So those are the types of upgrades when we're paying $1.3 million that I'd like to see. Absolutely. I'll work with the building department and see what opportunities we can present for training. And a more educated public, it even makes the process simpler for us. Exactly. For everybody. Absolutely. Thank you, Mr. Montefusco. You're welcome. I don't know if there were any other questions, or I'll make a motion to approve. Do I have a second? Second. Seeing no further questions, no further comments. Ms. Beggarro, please call the roll. Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fajan? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Reinstein? Yes. Next up, we have legislative item number 14, the authorization of the surplus of 150 North Hiatus Road for the development of fee-simple workforce housing in partnership with Habitat for Humanity of Broward Incorporated. Mr. City Attorney, if you could please read the summary. Yes, sir. Mr. City Attorney, you want me to read the reso? Yes. Okay. We are not required to read reso's, just ordinances, but I'm happy to read the reso. Just the summary, then? Yes, sir. This is authorization of the surplus of 150 North Hiatus Road for the development of fee-simple workforce housing in partnership with Habitat for Humanity of Broward, Inc. Good evening, Ed. Jason Ennemaker, CAO. This matter concerns the surplus and disposal of the vacant parcel at 150 Hiatus Road. April, can you put the map up? Thanks. This parcel is situated at the northeast corner of Hiatus Road in West Broward, just north of the FPL substation, about .8 miles east of Fire Station 3. We're looking for an authorization both to surplus the proposal in India and into a negotiated sale with Habitat for Humanity. As y'all are aware, affordable housing has become something of a priority for Council. We've engaged in a number of efforts to address this issue. Part of it is through code, relaxing parking standards, density bonuses, the development community understanding the Council's concerns that step up, offering various levels of affordable units within their respective projects, between 10 and 20 percent. But one of the things that we've been listening to on the administrative side is hearing y'all's concern for ownership. And that's a tough nut to crack. Just as an example, when I was going through different agreements at Habitat, not specific to Broward, but throughout the state, one was from about 10 years ago in Miami-Dade. And in that contract, just 10 years ago, the pricing was not to exceed $150,000. Obviously, we've come a long way since then, so what we're talking about now is limiting that to about $400,000, just to give you some context there. This parcel was identified as part of a land inventory that's part of the Affordable Housing Committee that's statutorily prescribed for them. One of their duties is to identify these parcels. I did confirm with the city attorney, I believe Council Member Fadge was asking if we would be compelled to sell the property. We are not. We are not. We just have to identify them. So y'all are not compelled to act. We just thought this was a unique opportunity. It mirrors somewhat what we're doing in the CRA. Y'all will recall that we've got that property on Peters Road that we're developing as a hometown heroes project. There, we've got the CRA to provide a funding source. Outside of the CRA, we don't have that many opportunities. So we saw this parcel as somewhat unique. You know, we don't take lightly the fact that we're talking about something just shy of a million dollars as far as value goes. But in the context of how we acquired it, we acquired it for $10 from Gulfstream back in the day with the intent of potentially using it for a fire station. That was before the subsequent development of Fire Station 3. So we did consult with the fire department, and they don't foresee a need for that parcel for that particular use. Being adjacent to a substation kind of limits things a little bit. The density itself being, you know, 14 to 16 units, we didn't feel like that was too big of an item. As far as the appropriateness, you know, every government, it seems, in South Florida is kind of struggling with this issue. I attended an LPA hearing today on 4590 Peters Road. I think y'all are aware that the Broadview community has been concerned about that. Initially, that property, which was basically donated from Fort Lauderdale, 39 acres off Peters Road, they wanted to see 1,000 units developed, 40% of which they wanted to see at 60% AMI. Now, they have modified that a little bit, so now they're looking at about 500 units of multifamily and 34 single-family. So it is much more, I think, consistent with the community. But just to give you an idea of the scale of what some other municipalities are doing. And I don't say that to indicate that that's what y'all need to be doing, but this is a very small effort in that regard. We did have two appraisals performed, because we have to have two if the value's over a million dollars. It was just shy of a million, but you don't know that until you do the appraisal. So that is what it is. As far as moving forward, we didn't want to spend too much time presuming that y'all would approve this item, so we haven't worked up a contract. The one that I reviewed that I think administration liked best was modeled on the city of Sebastian, and they had a hierarchy on how they would put those out. As far as for employees, that's an issue we've been struggling with. And then there would be a hierarchy of current employees, public safety, existing residents. And that's something we would obviously coordinate with Habitat on. There was a good question earlier about, well, why Habitat? Why negotiate a deal? Because that's not something we would typically do. On a surplus, we would go for highest and best. But in this context of trying to provide ownership opportunities on an affordable basis, I'm not aware of anybody that can really play in that space the same way that Habitat can with a 0% interest. And that's really what makes a $400,000 home affordable. I mean, $400,000, that's still a lot of money. So, I mean, that was the logic behind that. But we also realized that this is really a new space for y'all to be playing in. So, we're looking for your guidance here, your input. Nancy Robin is the CEO of Habitat. She's here today. She's got a presentation I think y'all will find interesting because the product is basically what we would see. And this is a project that I believe just came to fruition in Coral Springs. So, I think that'll be interesting for y'all to take a look at. I'm happy to entertain any questions from y'all or the public on this item and see where y'all want to take it. Thank you, Mr. Neumaker. I have questions. I think my colleagues have questions, and there's quite a few from the public. But if Ms. Robbins has a presentation, maybe it would be worthwhile to hear that first. Hi, Nancy Robin, 888 Northwest 62nd Street, Fort Lauderdale, Florida. And thank you, Mayor, President, Commission, and City Attorney for the opportunity to present. I also thank you all for your heart. I know that you have been looking at how to create and keep homeownership alive in your community for your residents. So, I appreciate the opportunity to be here today. And it is a well-known statistic that Bayward County is dead last in affordability. Ninety-five percent of our residents cannot afford the average price home. I don't relish that Habitat is pretty much the only provider right now that can keep the dream of homeownership alive. I hope that there's more incentives for others to come in and play. But what I did put together is we're happy to see more cities leaning in to say, how can we solve this problem? It's a national problem, and it's really bad here. I do have a brief video. The video shows a recent dedication that we just did this month. We partnered with Coral Springs. It's a product that would be similar to what we're proposing here. I think we saved four school teachers, three nurses. It's, you know, your typical working population. And it's a dedication ceremony, which is our Super Bowl. It's when the homeowners achieve that dream, it's two minutes. But I think it will give you a feel of who the homeowners are, what the product looks like, and the partnership. Thank you. So as I walked in here, I had chills. I had chills for you all, for the new families coming into York. I had chills for us as a community coming together to support affordable housing for these families that are going to benefit from our joint work together. Really just incredible. What's behind us is an accomplishment of many of you here, and I'm so proud to be able to be up here on this microphone speaking to you all and dedicating these homes to these wonderful families. The stories, I know it's not easy to be awarded these homes. It's not just normal, average, everyday people. It's special families that have worked really hard and deserve what they're getting today. The reason why we reapplied for homeownership through Habitat was because it was important for us not to just be placed on the path to homeownership, but also be part of the foundational process of our home. It was also important for us because Habitat's model, providing a hand-up, not a hand-out, required and challenged us in putting in sweat equity hours, which entailed becoming more financially educated and applying what we were learning, equipping us for the journey of homeownership. The experience has been sweet. In fact, sweat equity hours should be changed to sweet equity hours. While we were learning and laboring towards homeownership, those moments fostered an environment of camaraderie and unity. As we all knew and understood, we were on this journey together. As Regal would say often, as we build our walls together, the walls that separate us come down. We look forward to continue building the relational equity we have fostered in Habitat. As a testimony to God who builds communities that transcends age, religion, gender, race, and class. We have created these homes. As a haven of blessing and a place of peace. We have created these homes. An anticipation that your favor will guide each family to grow, play, learn, laugh, and love. We have created these homes. An anticipation that your arms of safety will hold these family close. We have created these homes. With thankful hearts for the spirit of generosity which helps experience God and to joyfully love each other. We have created these homes. We're here in solidarity with all these Habitat families. We thank you for celebrating with us today. The families are available to anyone interested to provide the first official tours of their beautiful new homes. So have a wonderful day. And all God's people said amen. Amen. So if I may, just a little bit. I wanted you all to see the product. My name is Adam Ferrari, the chief executive. I wanted you all to see the product. This actually is a new design, which is the design that we would be proposing for you all. We partnered with GL Homes, who's on our board, and they volunteer. They challenge their architecture team to come up with a design that mirrored their million-dollar product in Palm Beach. And it is an absolutely beautiful product that finished really better than I anticipated. We're closing on those mortgages now. We just got an appraisal for $550,000. The beauty of Habitat is what we guarantee these homeowners is that their payment will not exceed 30% of their gross income, which is affordable. So whatever the subsidy is, because we finance, we figure that out. There's no money changing hands. There's no profit as a builder or developer. We are the mortgage holder as well. So we figure out how to make it work at a time that really seems near impossible. So, you know, the secret sauce and really the impediments to homeownership are, number one, the down payment and closing costs. The program keeps these families in with us anywhere from 9 to 18 months. It's learning, you know, not only, it starts with vision boarding, what do you want for your life? It goes on to civic engagement, nutrition, health, safety, CPR, home maintenance. They go through, they went through Castle Management's boot camp on HOA. It is just all encompassing. And at the same time, their children are in a youth empowerment program. And as their children are on a similar track that's age appropriate, they're earning sweat equity hours that go towards the sweat equity hours of the family. So it comes together in a beautiful way that works. The nice thing about also partnering with us is culture building for the city. Wherever we build, everybody's out. Pompano, the city manager, happens to like window bucking, so we find him out there. City of Coral Springs, they set up a fund for the families for microwaves. It was their employees who raised the money. So it brings everybody in the community together in quite a beautiful way. So I'm going to pause, and I thank you all. Thank you very much. Mr. Neutermaker, I know I have some questions. I think it's best for you, and I see on the buzzer, Council Member Horland is next, followed by Council Member Fadgen. So a few questions that I have been asked, that some residents have asked, and some that I have as well. So in terms of the conveyance that specifies for public purpose and public use, and the reference to the housing restriction for at least 30 years, so what else, now Habitat for Humanity does amazing work. I mean, everything is, you can't deny what the effect it has on these residents. But I do think we do need to answer is that what else could the property have been used for? And, you know, when talking about the substation next door, any safety concerns, when talking about what happens after 30 years, and, you know, there are certain other things that we're doing in the city, like the garden and composting, that are benefiting a much larger number or are intended to benefit a much larger number of the residents. Can you respond to those things? Well, sure, I mean, as you've just outlined, there's any variety of uses. You could do stormwater. I mean, that tract hasn't been identified as one of our potential needs, but that's something you can always do. You can do a garden. You can sell it. So clearly we could clear a million dollars if we sold the property. So let me stop you on that one point. Can we sell it because of the conveyance, the grant provision regarding public purpose and public use? Can it be sold outright? That's something we have to work with the city on. It depends, I guess, on why you would want to sell it. If the purpose is to use those funds for a different public purpose, if this property isn't meeting a particular need, and we want to spend it on a park or something else, those are some things we could work on with the city attorney to see how that might flow. We had a specific conversation, the city attorney and I, that for this purpose, for workforce housing, it is a public need, is a public purpose. So just to distinguish is that, is it the property has to remain for public purpose and public use? Because I thought I heard you just say that you could sell it and as long as the proceeds were being used for public purpose or public use, that the property doesn't have to remain for public benefit. I'd have to explore that with the city attorney because I haven't asked them that specific question. I did ask them specifically because of that restriction, can it be used for affordable housing and is that a public purpose? And it is. Okay, so before I continue with you, I'm just going to ask our city attorney is that that question in regards to whether the property, based on the conveyance and the grant provision, whether the property has to remain as a public purpose and public use or it's only the funds or the proceeds, is that something you're prepared to answer? Not specifically at this time, no. Okay. I'm going to look at it while you're talking and if I change my mind, I'll let you know. Okay. So I'm going to say that to me, that's a very important question that I'd like to have answered and it may change my mind in terms of how best to respond to this before us. So I'll look forward to hearing if our city attorney comes up with something. But in the meantime, let's still explore that question, though, is that in terms of the decision to bring Habitat for Humanity and start this discussion with them, did you explore other uses that may benefit more of the public? No. No, because from our perspective, this is something that does benefit the public. Okay. I didn't say it didn't benefit. I said more of the public, but understood. And what about the 30 years? What happens after 30 years in terms of the way that it's currently set up? Well, we don't have the contract in place yet, so that's something that we can continue to explore. Okay. So are there other situations that we've looked at that Habitat for Humanity has worked with municipalities that have had a restriction for at least 30 years like the one that is referenced here? Yeah, that's common, and sometimes they're set up in a trust. Sometimes there can be various restrictions put in so that it continues the affordability. But normally within those, they also try to give folks the opportunity to accrue some value. So they get the opportunity to get some generational wealth there, but to also keep it in that maybe some AMI parameters so that it remains somewhat affordable as well. Just one more question before I turn it over is that in terms of experiences with other municipalities, are there other municipalities where the municipality owned the property like we do and the municipality entered into an agreement like this as opposed to some private entity turning over the property? Is it usually municipalities? And in those situations, after the 30 years, for example, if the homeowners decided to sell, does any of those proceeds come back to the municipality in any way? And maybe Ms. Robin wants to answer that. So with the city donating the property, and we have several examples of municipal donations, you all do have a say in a lot of different things. And the covenant really is intended to sustain affordability. So that it, and make no mistake, these homeowners are homeowners just like any of us. However, what that means is if we decide, you all decide, that we're making this contribution, we want a 30-year affordability covenant. You may say, I only want a 15-year affordability covenant. You may say you want longer of an affordability covenant. But what that means is when the house is sold, the next purchaser needs to fall within the AMI that you all dictate. I don't know if I answered your question, but... In part, but I'm going to turn it over to my colleagues, and then I'll come back. Councilman Hoyland. Thank you, Mr. President. Thank you for the presentation. If you've never been to a dedication ceremony with Habitat and seen the keys handed to homeowners and individuals who never thought they could own a home, it's transformative. And it's really, it's an incredible organization. And I think it was three or four years ago I went up to Pompano and visited up there to see. And I came back, and we spoke about this, and I said, how do we get Habitat into our community? And I give Mr. Nunnamaker a lot of credit for identifying this property and for working with you. As I said to a resident this week, this is us controlling our destiny. And I will argue that given what we've seen come out of the legislature in the last couple of years, just because they're not compelling us to use that property for affordable housing now, doesn't mean they won't in the future. because every single year they come out with Live Local, Live Local 2.0. We could see Live Local 3.0 next year. They asked us for that list of city properties for a reason to identify that. And I think that this is something that this council has been asking for is homeownership. Prior to my being elected in 2018, this city approved 3,600 units of apartments, and not one person talked about attainable housing or affordability. And now it has been the burden of this council who's had to make tough decisions where perhaps we would not have gone to the density we have in some of these projects. But I feel that we have a moral obligation to make sure that we're building some type of attainability in this community. So I think that this property, again, I think it's a great space for it. I love the idea of the townhomes. We can control the density on that property. Housing is a basic human need. And I would be incredibly proud of this city if we were to approve this. I was a little jealous that Coral Springs beat us to it because I think it's a phenomenal project. And, you know, we hear talk about is it serving the most people. We oftentimes have projects in the city that don't serve everyone, but we have an obligation to take care of needs that are pressing, and I believe this is a pressing need. Several years ago we had the Property and Country Club Estates that was purchased for additional stormwater drainage. That affects very few people. It's a small portion of the neighborhood. It doesn't affect everybody in the city, but the administration thought that it was an important purchase. So I am thrilled. I'm really hoping that my colleagues are going to support this tonight because I think it's the highest and best use of that property. So that's what I wanted to contribute. Thank you, Mr. President. Councilmember Fadgen. Thank you, President Reinstein. I got some questions that was inside the proposal. In the proposal it said $1. The resolution said $10. The resolution overrides that. I just want to make sure of that there. Some of the things that I liked about it is, you know, it's zoned for PRD 16Q, so they could shove 21 units in there. So when you're proposing the 16 units in this, you're not going to come back and ask for more. We have no profit motivation for density. All right. That 30%, how do you get the HOA fees? Because I'm in an HOA, and then sometimes we get those special assessments. And fortunately for most of my neighbors, it seems like it's an inconvenience and we don't like our board, but it's something that we do. And sometimes they're significant. You know, there's been hurricanes, there's been insurance things. So how does that work with that 30%? Because that's kind of an unknown, unpredictable kind of. It's with any home ownership. You know, what we can control is the mortgage payment. And, you know, taxes, insurance, HOA is a bit more controllable, but the insurance typically is in the HOA fees. And, you know. So with the financial training that they get, they talk about you're going to have a homeowner association, and then these are the things that can affect that. And these families are trained. I mean, their savings, their reserves are in place. And, you know, the other thing about Habitat that's kind of unique is that not only do we do the mortgages, but we do the services, servicing of the mortgages, and we've been around for over 40 years. I was a bank president. This is my second career. And when I was in banking, this was, I hate to say this publicly, but this was the, this type of lending was our least favorite type of lending because you don't make money on it. So we would prefer to buy loans than make these loans. And Habitat loans are, like, bulletproof. These homeowners work so hard to get these homes that, you know, they never give them up. You say they never give them up. That kind of leads to the next question I was going to say. Typically, how long do they have the ownership until they? It's their legacy. It's their legacy. They don't turn over. And the foreclosure rate is under 1%. If we were to approve this and then have the contract signed, like, how quickly do you proceed with, like, immediate? We begin fundraising immediately. And we, you know, I think when you reference us with other municipalities and where we felt, we always exceed. And maybe this is an obvious answer to the question I'm going to ask, but I think part of this hearing is to make it public because there was a lot of questions about it. Like Jason said, it's almost a million-dollar give by the city. Habitat never sells the land. You get into it and it says, well, we're not going to be able to do anything and we're going to sell it. Even if that's the case, if we're going to approve this, I would like something on there. If no action is taken, that the property would revert back to the city for the proceeds rendered or whatever. We did have that conversation. I think there was one example of something that couldn't be built. But, yes, in that case, it would revert back. Okay. I've made this comment on some of these other developments that have come across us. I don't believe that renting is going to get us out of the housing ownership crisis. I think ownership is the key. So that's a big pro for me, working with Habitat, that we'd have ownership. Jason and I sort of talked about, like, if we can structure the applicants that have waves, you know, starting with city employees, and even on top of that, our firefighters, that seems like a perfect location for our firefighters to live because they're right within two departments or two stations that they could get to. My concerns are that if we approve it tonight, we're off to the races. And we've certainly had residents who have questioned what we're giving, almost a million dollars. So I'm not going to make a motion because I know I see that Councilmember Andreu is going to speak after me. And I think President Reincean said he had additional questions when we're done. But one of the things I would like to consider for any motion that we will make is, one, we'll instruct the administration to proceed with coming up with the contract but not to execute the contract until after have a public hearing at the AHAC board. And it's an opportunity to have the presentation for Ms. Robbins, have an opportunity for the public to get better educated. One of the things I was talking to Jason about earlier today is that I'm always amazed at how many people come to meet a week or so after the meeting. They're not watching it live. They're on a five-day delay. But if we do this, they're not going to have an opportunity to really tell us their opinion on what we're about to do by surplusing the land for $10. So basically, I would like to add two things. Get an AHAC hearing, give more opportunity for the public to speak. And also, by doing it this way, I think we would still be able to take public comment tonight for the people that came that were aware of it. So that would be my ask in this. But ownership, this would be big. Because if we ended up surplusing this, if we were allowed, and it wasn't humanity, we know that they're not going to propose ownership. They're going to propose an apartment building. And they're probably going to ask for more density. But those are my two asks if we get to a motion. So thank you. Thank you, Councilmember Fadgen. I just have a question. What Councilmember Fadgen has proposed is that if it was approved tonight on the basis that it would then go before AHAC again, then after AHAC heard, it would then come back before us with the contract itself? What would be the procedure there? I would say, like, come up with a contract, but not to be executed until the AHAC hearing. It would come back to us to authorize them to execute the contract. That's how I understood it as well. And I appreciate that idea. I think that idea gives even more public comment and consideration. Councilmember Andreo. Thank you. You answered several of my questions already. And I, too, like the idea of doing an AHAC presentation and then bringing the contract back. But I am really excited about this opportunity, similar to what Councilmember Horland stated. I think that this is a great use of this particular space. And I've been screaming about homeownership for a long time now. So I believe that this is definitely the path forward and the right path to take. I have some questions about the application process, because I was on your website earlier this weekend. And I saw that the application process is currently closed. So how does that work? Do you open it for specific projects or at a specific time period? And if we do decide, which I think we have already all been making comments to, we want our municipal employees to have, you know, the first right of refusal or however. I don't know if it's scoring or weighted, but whatever process you all are used to taking. And if you did something similar in Coral Springs. Did you also have a project in Miramar? Yeah. Yeah. I mean, we've been building for 40 years. We've built all over. Yeah. Yeah. And in answer to your question, we open up at specific times. So we would time opening up a minimum of 12 months before the build. And, you know, in terms of what that looks like. So I just want to say, and I'll share the numbers with you, which are daunting. But I want to tell you that your leadership and leaning into this is courageous leadership. Everybody knows we need affordable housing. Everybody wants it. There's tons of rental going out there, but nobody wants it in their backyard. So I know that this takes a lot of courage. And I really applaud you all for getting us to this point where we're looking at a home ownership opportunity for workforce housing. When we open up, we get probably 40,000 hits a year for application. We have the process automated to a point where there's five initial questions that happen. Are you a first-time home buyer? Have you ever been convicted of a felony? Sexual offender? And if you don't pass those first five questions, you don't get through to go. So once you pass those five questions, it is a pre-qualification for the program. At that point, we pretty much know all your demographic information. You're inputting your name. You're inputting your family size. You're inputting where you work. You're inputting your income. You're inputting your debts. We know whether you're going to be a candidate or not. At that point, we issue to those that are approved a pre-qualification approval and invite you to learn about the program. At that point, a lot of people drop off when they find out this isn't a giveaway. Then we invite folks to actually come in and apply and do the full application. We go through the full application, and then we do a home visit. And ultimately, because we're a special purpose lender, it's determined based on need. In your case, you've specified in your contract where the point rating you want to go to. So we would be giving points based on your specifications as we go through this. And tell me about the sweat equity hours. So how many hours are required per person, per family? It's 300 hours, yeah. For family. Per family, yeah. And if you have a family you know, you can contribute hours on your behalf to that family. But each family needs to do a minimum of 150 of their own hours. Thank you. I did a lot of research on my own and have known about your programs for a long time and would be honored to, if this does pass, to have our first Habitat for Humanity in plantation. Councilman Anderson. Hi. My head's swirling with so many questions, but my colleagues have asked so many great questions. They've already answered a lot. Right off the bat, I'm surprised that 1.3 acres appraised for almost a million dollars. I'm just floored. That's next to a power plant with walls all the way around it and small and odd. So already, I think that'll, but you got two. Thanks for doing two. Let's see. I feel this really needs to go to a four-wheel housing board. Could you explain, while you're up there, could you explain the pricing again? Is there a sale price or is it all based on metrics of their income and 30%? I just didn't quite get all that. We sell at appraised value and we subsidize what's needed to make sure that even is 30. So that's to keep at the 30 or below. Got it. And then at the end of 30 years, is that whatever we determine or is it at 30 years is the magic time that they then have some power to do something? No. If you're buying a house, you're going to take a mortgage. And whether you have a 15-year mortgage or a 30-year mortgage, your home's going to be free and clear whenever that mortgage is due. The additional component that Jason is proposing is an affordability covenant, and that will carry for the time frame that you all specify. You can specify that time frame because of your contribution. Some municipalities specify 15 years. Some municipalities don't believe in it at all. Some may say 99 years. But that affordability covenant carries with the deed, and what that means is when somebody goes to sell their house, whatever the affordability covenant is dictates the restrictions of the next purchaser of that home. So if the affordability covenant is that it's going to be for a workforce housing AMI, the next purchaser of that home, whatever the AMI, right now it stretches 120, 140. Whatever that covenant dictates is what the next family, if that family sells the home, will have to come in at. Sounds complicated, but I think I get what you're saying. So if they are paying their 30% for a lot of years, can they sublease it after a certain amount of time? No, they have borrowed the money as a primary resident. That's the stipulations of their mortgage. Yeah, I think there's so much good. I don't have a problem, and I know we've talked about ownership. I just feel, and you, Council Member Horland, kind of addressed that, but it's a million dollars that 14 families would essentially benefit from, obviously the greater good of the community, because if they're municipal employees and so on and on, and there's an intangible benefit, but those 14 are going to specifically benefit. And I think our city of 100,000 might say that's a pretty big slice of the pie they got compared to others. So I just don't, I feel like this really should go through affordable housing so they can hammer out a lot of questions. I don't know what this, if we just put it out there at market and said we'll sell this for half price if you build 14 to 16 units and you build them at $400,000 or $500,000 each and just sell them. And then we split the, and I'm not, it's nothing against Habitat. No, no, no, no, no. I'm thinking what the residents are going to think. We want to do some good, but to benefit a lot to a little when we, it's how do you, how do you lay out the value to the masses and then the benefit to the few? Well, the reason why I get emotional is the dream of home ownership is. I got touched. No, no, no, no. It makes me feel great about all that stuff. No, no, but. How do we answer back to the others? We did great for those 14, but what about the other 999,000 that live here? Technically, you're looking at probably an 80,000 subsidy per family. I did about 900,000 divided by 14 is around 60 something, but you're probably. Oh, so it's even less. The other. So it's even less. I'm, you know. 14. Yeah. Go ahead. I'm sorry. I mean, I think that's why it's important that we have that covenant so it's not just the 14. It becomes the 28 and so on. Right, and that's the stuff that's not hammered out, and that's why it's hard to, it's hard for you to, and I got, I know that you didn't go all the way further because it's, this is, but I'm not ready to decide on this. I like, I know you're not, but it's, but that's, it's on the agenda for us to vote on, so by the nature of being here, it is. And so we can bring those details back if y'all are generally in favor of the concept, but as y'all are aware of the employees at the city, we have a lot of generational employees, so anecdotally I'm aware of employees who, the father and the mother work in different departments, their kids live with them while they're saving up. So the ability of this to replicate over time, I think you'll wind up serving more families, and it's also just about pulling levers. So if we're doing the hometown project on Peters, if y'all do elect to do this project, the different rentals that have different affordability provisions, are there other things we can do in the gateway, which I think we can over the next five years? But to your point, we're not going to service that entire need. Commissioner Geller was here, what, last week, the week before, doing a town hall and talking about the deficit of housing. So, no, this, this city cannot address all of that. All we can do is what we can. Yeah. Oh, you mentioned just the final thing, the 300 hours, over how much time do they have to put in 300 hours? Is that in one year or before they buy it or like, is that? The typical families with us from nine to 18 months. And is that, are they, but are they doing that while they're waiting for the home to be built? They're volunteering, it's not just after it's built that they're doing it on their own neighborhood. They're doing it throughout Habitat projects. They're in the program with us for nine to 18 months. Okay, great. Okay, thank you. Okay, that's enough for now. That's, I'm sure more will come up. Thank you. The reference to the points, can you go back to that in terms of how much weight, in terms of those points, to make sure that, you know, if we're thinking about this and, and, and it sounds like a lot of attention is that we really hope that we'll go, if it's passed, it will go towards municipal employees and maybe our, our firefighters and so forth. How, how does that work in terms of the waiting for, for that? So as a lender, we can't, uh, decline anybody from applying. Um, as a special purpose lender, we can give weight to need and work with you all on what that weight is and the order that you want it in. Okay. And this one's going to go back to the city attorney, is that, um, back to the discussion of the, the restriction. Um, if, is this restriction need to continue beyond 30 years? I mean, how does that, uh, you're, you're talking about the affordable housing restriction? Yeah. In order to maintain the public purpose and public use. Um, it's two separate issues. The state legislature has already determined that affordable housing serves a public purpose. So we, we, so. Right. But if it begins as a public purpose, right, during the 30 years, but then after 30 years, it doesn't remain a public purpose, even by the way that we're setting it up. Um, uh, having followed this at the legislature over the last couple of years, this is a new concept for municipalities, affordable housing. Um, I don't know how to answer that question. What is the, is there a minimum affordable housing restriction that is required? Uh, the legislature has not stated that. I mean, that might be something ultimately that courts may decide, but the legislature has not decided that the legislature has said cities, we need affordable housing. They're trying to push cities to, uh, do whatever they can to, uh, provide affordable housing. The standard in the, in the county that I have seen people talking about 30 year restrictions when lenders are borrowing money from the state for affordable housing, there's typically a 30 year affordable housing restriction. That's what I have seen. And just from experience with other municipalities, your public purpose is donating the land and knowing that it's going to be used to get families in, whether you put a restriction on after that or not is, is, is your call. Uh, we are working with three other municipalities right now. Uh, two of them are 15 year, one of them is 30 year. Councilmember Hoyland. Thank you, Mr. President. Mr. Neenemaker, you've referenced the hometown heroes project. Where are we on that? In the plaiting phase. Okay. And unfortunately that is something we would have to do here as well. Right. And I know the plaiting, uh, takes a long time. I guess my question is in this discussion, which is a very, very valuable discussion is, why this is any different than the, uh, land donation with the hometown heroes. I'd say the instrument in, in there when Peter's road, we have the community redevelopment agency. So it's a specific purpose. Those funds are set aside for, for such uses. Um, outside of that, uh, we, we don't have necessarily those levers to pull. And I can tell there'd be some, um, it'd be difficult to just pull this out of the general fund, so to speak. Absolutely. So the fact that we can potentially leverage a property that we have a very low cost basis in, but it has a tremendous value, is probably a rare opportunity. In fact, I don't know of any others we have in the city at this moment. Well, and I think that's more of my point is, um, we've talked about the CRA. I mean, we recently, recently had Green Mills in with the $700,000 to build affordable senior housing. Um, that's actually cash out of our pocket. Um, again, I, I don't want to belabor the point, but I do think this is a unique opportunity, and I think we could almost lose sight of the good this could do, um, not just for the 16 families, but, um, I, I think that it would be, have long-ranging effects. Um, again, and I will reference that property in, uh, Country Club Estates that we purchased that did not affect the entire city, but it benefited a small portion of the city. So I think when we start saying, you know, how many people, it's not going to affect 96,000 people, but again, I maintain that we have a moral obligation to start to do this. I'd like to add just a quick personal story, and it has really nothing to do with this project, but my 74-year-old sister, um, lost her partner after he worked down at 9-1-1 at the World Trade Center. She was left with nothing. She owns a home, a Habitat home up in Fellismere, and I've talked to you about this. Um, it's been incredible, and, you know, she still works now, but the fact that she's going to be able to age in place there, and she's been able to own a home, which you never thought was possible. I've seen it in real time, what this can do, not just for an individual, but for a community. So, um, I really hope my colleagues are going to support this. Well, in referencing that, that was a huge lift. Um, I, um, I think Council President asked, you know, have I seen where cities have donated property, and that was one that I was directly involved with, extracting that property through large-scale annexations for the provision of those communities. Um, the other thing is, where I had a little bit of skepticism initially here is, in, in, in your county, the Habitat product, it's a great product, don't get me wrong, but when you saw it, there were several projects, and you always knew it was Habitat, and the product type here has a much, more of a market feel. It, it, it doesn't, you really can't tell, and that's been kind of movement writ large with the affordability. When you have the developers come talk to you about it, there's no distinction. So, if they have affordable units within an overall complex, it blends. You don't see one as a distinguished from another. So, um, that was another item that gave us a little bit of additional comfort level here. Councilmember Anderson, and then we'll move to the public. Yeah, just a quick, just because you brought that up, that, that, that, I did think of that, but I didn't remember the details. The CRA project on Peters, do you, do you, I know it's, I'm asking you cold without preparation. Do you approximately know how much we kicked in from the CRA on that, and how many units is that for? Well, some of it's yet to be determined. So, the, the initial is going to be the property itself. Um, and I, I, that was acquired some years ago, well before I, I came to the city, so I'd have to give you what that is. Yeah. What you would look at is the way you look at this. What is the current value of the property? Um, and that parcel is probably about, it might be a little bit larger. Um, so you're probably looking at a, a little bit higher value just because of, of where it is. It's not as, you know, next to a substation. Um, then we would look at other opportunities, you know, do we do provide down payment assistance? So some things we'd still look at. We also acquired that parcel from Fort Lauderdale in anticipation of doing such a project because we wanted to be able to, one, expand the park, two, buffer, uh, the residential, um, and also provide some mitigation opportunities that were consistent with park use. So stormwater, landscaping, yeah, because the gateway in particular is so tight. It's constrained as far as development potential, um, when you're trying to mitigate, um, so to have offsite mitigation opportunities proximate to the, to the property is huge. Thank you. Um, before we move to the public comments, uh, do we need a motion to move forward to our motion? Motion to approve. Second. Are we going to consider, um, what I requested, uh, be included in the, uh, Yes, I thought that was understood. Do we need that in the motion, Mr. Yes, yes, please. Okay. Do you want to amend your motion? I will amend my motion to include that a presentation and a draft of the agreement be presented to the affordable housing committee and then brought back to the council for final approval. Thank you. Second. Thank you. And I'll ask you to ask the number of, uh, residents that have submitted common cards. Uh, Mr. Corman. Rob Corman. Hello. Hello. Hello. Hello, everybody. Um, might need a little extra time on this one. Just warning you on that now. Um, so this piece of property was given to the city for the large sum of $10 about 40 years ago. Um, myself included, if you had asked or you would ask any resident near who owned that property prior to this notice coming out, nobody would have had a clue. Uh, so what we have is an asset that has functionally not been benefiting the city for 40 something years. What we have now is an offer to sell for the same price, um, but to provide affordable housing with an organization that we know has proven track record of providing such product. So under the category of what kind of benefit do we get to the city, are we leaving a million dollars on the table? The answer is no, we're not, because we haven't actually, up until this point, decided to access that asset and use it as such. So hypothetically, if we were to sell it for a million dollars, we're actually going to be down for what our priority should be, which is providing affordable housing, potentially for city workers or firefighters or, frankly, just anyone within the community who is currently renting who meets that requirement and wants to start building that measure of work. Wealth. When you look at the future net benefit to the city, though, what hasn't been mentioned is that that project, once it is built, those homeowners will be contributing taxes to the city. So at a $400,000 house with our current millage, rough number, $5,000, maybe $6,000, each one of those houses, rough math, $14,000, call it $84,000, $85,000 a year, that's going to be coming into the city from taxes for every year that those houses are there moving forward, depending upon what you do with the millage, different story. So the benefit to the city here is actually multi-tiered and spread out over many years. The benefit is that we have a jewel that we can say, hey, we actually did something about affordable housing with a piece of property that nobody was going to use. The notion that that piece of property sits up against a substation, there are already a couple of houses and a couple of residences that sit up next to that substation. And I'm sure that when the plans come out, there will be sufficient buffering in addition to the already existing landscape buffering on the north side of that substation that is currently landscaped. And so I think negative impacts there are going to be minimal. But when you look at what we're going to get out of it, yes, we will have tax revenue that we can use to improve the lives of the other 100,000 residents within the city. We will have something hopefully put in place. My desire personally, if I were to be asked, would be a 45-year stretch. Because that 45-year stretch will then benefit somebody down the road who will fit within the existing 45 or within the existing affordable housing. If I could have two more minutes, maybe. Might not need the whole time. All right. All right. I'm trying to finish up. Thank you. So, anyway, point being, the financial impacts that most people are going to come to you and be like, how this doesn't benefit our city, they're looking at the initial million dollar potential sale that doesn't necessarily guarantee a product that we want to put out and be proud of that, as was mentioned, does not look like an affordable housing community, or community, but does provide 16 residents, or 16 families with the opportunity to start building that generational wealth within our city, and they will stay within our city, and their tax dollars will benefit everybody in there. Thank you. Thank you, Mr. Corman. Mr. Conklin. Dennis Conklin, 4581 Northwest CIS Court. Resolution 1 was originally five minutes. Everything that Mr. Corman said, dittos. The main thing that struck me with this was the development that's been going on in the city has all been rental, and as was mentioned up on the DS already by the council, this is ownership that we're talking about. The problem that we're facing is basically, I keep mentioning it, the federal government has messed up our currency so bad that nobody can keep up with the cost of living increases, and this helps people to become, as was mentioned, generational ownership. Some of you are old enough to have children that are trying to buy homes. 20-year-old, let me go back. The most important thing is family formation. It's God's plan, creative man and woman in his image. Without family formation, we're destined for extinction. If you don't have the ability to provide housing, food, shelter, whatever you want to call it, you're not going to continue as a civilization. So the ownership, it was mentioned, I want to say what Mr. Corman said, 10 bucks, that's all this was worth to the city, and it was never accessed before. You're not losing any money. The benefits extend generationally. So I'm all for this. I wish that the other developments would not have to be rentals, because what's happening is this. You hear a lot about AI, and this, I can see what's happened, because they corrupted the currency after progressives got in. They want complete control over everyone, and how do you do that? You jam everybody. This is not the American dream. Ownership. When I started working in the Merchant Marine, I worked on research vessels. A lot of the crew members, because of scientific, were from Britain. Nobody owned their homes. They were all council houses. American citizens were citizens. They were all subject to the crown. I don't want to see America become subject to our government. I'll give you back. Thank you, Mr. Conklin. Donna McCormick. Lizette Hampton on deck. Donna McCormick, 1201 Northwest 114th Avenue, Plantation, Florida. I am in full support of affordable housing. But I have an ask. And my ask is that there be a stipulation added by the city attorney to draft a reverter clause as part of the resolution. The reverter clause should be designed to ensure that if Habitat for Humanity fails to develop the property as proposed, attempts to profit from the land transfer, or violates the non-profit use condition, the land should automatically revert to the city. And HFH is liable for reimbursement of the soft costs. I've taken the liberty of drafting a reverter clause, which I'll hand to the dais so that you can have an opportunity to look at it. And other than that, I would also suggest that as we discuss the covenant for the amount of time that we go to 99 years. Thank you very much. Thank you, Ms. McCormick. And I think there was already a mention in terms of the reverter. So I heard that as part of the request. Yeah. Thank you. Ms. Hampton. Good evening, everyone. Lizette Hampton, 11460 Northwest State Street. And so many of my questions have already been answered. And I, like everybody else, I am a full supporter of affordable housing. In fact, it's one of the, in my comments for the survey, but the city survey, I wrote that down. We need affordable, you know, owned affordable housing. Supporter of Habitat for Humanity, I just have a couple, a couple of questions. And so you do, okay. You do screen, pre-screen, you screen the applicants and you ensure that, you know, the, the given crimes of, you know, elements of crimes or those are, those are weeded out. But how do you control the, that the primary, you know, that the primary ownership, how do you monitor that to ensure that primary ownership of that resident is, you know, is maintained? And how do you control the family members that may come in and live and may have, you know, may, may have a criminal background? How is that controlled? And I would want to know what is the, what are the statistics, the crime statistics? And that sounds really bad, but if there is any statistic, what is, you know, is there a crime statistics affiliated? Is it higher or lower in, in the traditional Habitat for Humanity communities? I don't know. And the other thing is, again, safety. It is next to a very large FPNL plant and safety. There are children that are going to live there and are going to grow up there. So that's it. Thank you very much. Thank you, Ms. Hampton. I'm going to actually ask Ms. Robin, if you could come back up. The, the question that was raised in terms of ensuring that those people who put in all those sweat equity and who started out stay those people, is that part of just the HOA requirements or is that, what's the follow-up? Yeah, I think actually that's a big part of the answer to the question. I mean, there's two things. One is, is that when you actually do have a homeowner's association, there's governing documents and monitoring. So, you know, I think it, in terms of ensuring who's in the house, it is how the HOA documents are set up that no more than X number of people can be in here, primary resident, you know, just like any other HOA in this country. You know, this is home ownership. It's teachers, nurses, firefighters, veterans. We did actually partner with FIU and did a study of our base over the last 40 years. And, you know, I'm happy also to share that because it does show that, that home ownership lifts areas. It reduces crime and increases health outcomes. So I hope that helps. It does. Thank you so much. Appreciate it. Ms. Fain, Jen Fain, followed by Kathleen Fungu. Jennifer Fain, 11831 Northwest 9th Street. Good evening, everyone. Thank you guys for bringing this to us. I would be a very proud plantation resident if this actually came to fruition, and I'm hoping that it does. I looked over everything last night, and honestly, my only points were 1.3 acres for 16 homes. I would want to give them more. I am concerned about, the only concern I have really is a hiatus road at that speed, if that changes anything for us having the homes on there. I don't know if it does. I don't know if it's just single homes coming out onto a roadway changes the speed limit. That's such a nitpicky thing. I also just want to share that in 2008, after Katrina, five friends of mine and I, six of us, went to New Orleans and helped with Habitat for Humanity. There were four homes that we helped build. And besides for the sense of community being there and helping them, my friends and I will never forget that. And I just hope that all of you get to do something like that and help out and meet these people who put in this sweet, sweat equity. It's just a really amazing feeling, and I hope that it goes through. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you very much. Kathleen Funhul, 11901 Northwest 24th Street Plantation. You know, I sit in these meetings all the time, and every time some builder wants to build something, it seems like you guys are pulling their teeth to get one or two more apartments at a decent, you know, rate, you know, decent rents. And renting is one thing, but homeownership is everything. And I do see the point that maybe the property could be used for a community garden or this or that, but nothing takes the place of what this is going to do for these people, for their families, for their children's children, for our community. I'm glad you brought up the tax issue. I never thought of it. I'm just always proud of Plantation, and I'm really proud that you guys are considering this. And thank you, Jason, wherever this idea came from. I love it. Thank you. Thank you so much. Owen Duke. Owen Duke, 10301 Northwest 11th Street. This is just a question. I'm not making a statement. And, Lord, I think Habitat for Humanity is just wonderful. You know, you don't do this. But where do the people come from, and where do they work now, and where do they live that are coming to these houses? Are they in Plantation? Are they from outside? And the reason I'm asking is that we have another issue with people here that are living in Plantation. And this needs to be addressed, and it's the young doctors that are making $50,000 a year at the hospital that we would like to keep in Plantation, and the nurses that are making $60,000. I mean, and they're already here, and they deserve to be looked at, too. Are we thinking about that, or do we concern that, or does that even fit in the mix? Thank you for raising that, Mr. Dewitt. And that was one of the questions that we've been asking was regarding the point structure in order to make sure that there is some way to emphasize that we would like to see the workforce currently in Plantation who is looking for housing to be able to obtain it. And we may need to see some type of marketing plan internally to make sure that our employees know about it, to make sure that our members of our fire department know about it. But I think that is part of the entire picture that we're looking at. Well, it seems short-sighted to, if we're drawing from two cities away to come here for people who don't work here, it seems a little short-sighted not to consider looking at our people first who are working here. And the young doctors build Plantation. We're becoming a medical center, and we're seeing that. So let's... You're spot on. I think we all agree with you on that point. Okay. Thank you very much. Any more comments from the public? I don't have any further cards. Any more discussion from the dais? Seeing none. Oh, sorry. Sorry. That's the wrong one. Last but not least, Council Member Fadgen. So regarding the property reverting back to the city, do we need to amend the motion, or do we want to handle it when the contract comes back to us after the hearings and stuff? I agree in terms of that I would like to see it extended further. So it's a good question. Do we need to do that now, or can it come later when... Well, we've heard Joel's comments, but go ahead, sir. And then the other thing, do we want to have a discussion, or maybe we just need more information, and maybe it can start at AHAC regarding 30 years, 45 years, someone said 99 years. So... Well, I can tell you administration likes longer term on that. Also on the preferencing, as Mr. Duke said, we do want to preference our local folks, employees, and just thinking about it, if there's a way we can also even add an additional preference. So if you're a combat firefighter, so you're already in, you're already doing your stuff, to see if that's an extra point. So we'll restructure that. We'll go to AHAC. We'll bring it back to you all. So we'll capture you all's comments in there, and you've given us additional guidance with the resolution modification. Great. Thank you. And just so the public knows, is sometimes that we ask questions up here because residents have brought it to us, and we want to make sure that it's all vetted out properly before the public. And I do like the idea of the 99 years. I think that makes sense as well. So seeing no further discussion, Ms. Bagbrook, please call the roll. Council Member Anderson? Yes. Council Member Andreu? Yes. Council Member Fadgen? Yes. Council Member Horland? Yes. Council Member Reincey? Yes. Fantastic. Okay. Next, I'm going to turn it over to City Attorney Ezra as a matter to bring before us. Thank you, Council President. Yes, so under Section 286.011 Florida Statute, which authorizes you all to meet in a private session with your lawyer to discuss pending litigation, I need to make the request at a public meeting, which is what I'm doing. My understanding is that the matter is currently scheduled for Wednesday, June 25th at 5 o'clock to discuss strategy and litigation costs and expenses for Brianna Charles versus the City of Plantation. Case number CACE 23-012718, Broward Circuit Court. I am not the attorney handling the case. Scott Alexander with Johnson Anselmo is the attorney handling the case. We will now proceed to schedule that matter, and it will come before you on June 25th. Thank you. Thank you very much, and that's just for informational purposes, correct? Yes, sir. Thank you. So next we move to comments by the mayor, followed by comments by council members. Let's hope you talk another 30 seconds, so I'd stop talking. I'm sorry. So I'd stop coughing. North Acres Park is Saturday, as you all know. Do we all want to wear green shirts? Which ones? I don't wear the 70, the green shirt with the 70? Sure. If we all wear them, it would be a nice picture. What if you don't know where it is? We'll ask Parks to get you one. We're continuing to work on the mural at Saradage. We're trying to do a wraparound. Right now, it is held up with the architect, who they're trying to determine the size, so then we can determine the cost. So, go ahead. Where will they be doing that? On the screen or on the building that's going to be demoed? No, there's a company that makes green mesh screening. So it'll be the screen? Because the artwork will be on the green mesh screening on the second floor, so you'll see it better from afar. And then, as things progress, they could put other things on the first floor. So, I'm excited. I'm optimistic. After a while, I'm sick of looking at that thing. So that's good. And we are, Freebie is rolling along. And we are doing some ads, some videos. And then, when we do the ribbon cutting, that will be the council video. We're going to do that with the ribbon cutting. Right now, we have JoJo doing one. And Felix putting that together. So we're trying to get the word out about Freebie because people are going to be seeing that car pretty soon. And they're going to wonder what the heck that is. And we want to coach people on how to download the app. Mayor, Mr. President. Yeah, anything. I was just going to say, Mayor, I had spoken to Claudia at the meeting when she was presenting to the board and had brought that up. Maybe we could even do a video of council using Freebie in preparation just to show people what it's all about. That might be fun. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, we're getting it. And the mayor, of course. No. I mean, you'll call shotgun now that you're president. I get that. But it's all good. Yes. So that's it. Thank you, Mayor. Comments by council members. Councilmember Anderson. Just congratulations again to Denise for president of League of Cities. It was a great event swearing you in. And that's all. Councilmember Horland. Thank you, Mr. President. And along with those things, thank you to all of you. I thanked you publicly, but it really meant a lot to have you there in support. I appreciate administration support. And Chief Harrison in the police department, again, I said it to you privately and publicly, but having you there, the police department really shone. And everybody was talking about Officer McDonald playing the sax. So thank you again so much for that. It was really a great night for plantation. Very quickly, the Solid Waste Authority did have their elected official meeting this morning out at Broward Center where they presented the draft master plan. I know we're going to have our workshop coming up, but, you know, there were elected officials there that don't want a waste energy plan, and they're the ones that don't want another landfill. And there was me in the middle who is just, it's going to be, you know, the discussion, what's economically feasible and the best way to handle our solid waste. So I look forward to having that discussion with all of you coming up. North Acres Park, I think we're all so excited to be there on Saturday. We also have Juneteenth. Pride Parade at Wilton Manors is also on Saturday. And I just wanted to wish all the gentlemen that are fathers a happy Father's Day this Sunday. Thank you very much, Council Member Fadgen. Thank you. Congratulations, Denise. It was a fun evening. Looking forward to North Acres Park. Over Memorial Day weekend, my brother and nephew came down, and they went to the Central Park pool on Saturday and Sunday with my mom. And Saturday, my nephew, I think seven, he might be eight, I'm not a good uncle. He was jumping off the high board and having a great time. And they went back on Sunday, and there was no lifeguard there. So he went up to a lifeguard and asked if he could go off the high board. And he said, I'll be right back. And when he's all excited, been dancing around, and he comes back, he starts jumping. He gets up there, he panics, totally froze. And my mom called me, and I said, why are you calling me? And I just hear a screaming kid in the background. So I just want to shout out to lifeguard David King for coaxing him down. And we didn't have to call the fire department. But he actually, after we got him down, he went back up, jumped a couple times, panicked again. I don't know why they let him go up after the first panic, but they did. But David King, he did a great job, so pass that along to him. And then, vamos gatos. Go cats. Let's put them away. And thank you, and that's all I got. Councilmember, enjoy you. That's a hard story to follow. I do, I have a request. I'm not quite sure if it's for Michael Albert. But I know sometimes we're given the memorandums in our mailbox. And I would like to request if we could have those emailed in lieu of, or if you want to do both, that's fine. But because what happened recently, we received one of them in our mailbox, and I missed the deadline because I usually don't come over here to check my mailbox a lot. So that's my mistake. But I don't get a lot of, you know, mail anymore. So if you could email it, because I really would have wanted to utilize the call-up procedure for this gun store that is being approved in our city. And I missed the deadline because of that. So going forward, would that be possible for you to email? Certainly. Thank you. Thank you. Also, not necessarily for discussion tonight, but moving forward as we go into our budget season, always a fun time. But you may have heard, and I know the mayor was recently at the roundtable with the school board, there will be a big change to our lunch program, our meal program with the school district. In some cities, I'm not saying we have to do it, but if we wanted to and give it some thought, are taking the, I guess, proactive measure in ensuring that all of the students who attend their schools do eat. So if that's something that we wanted to have a line item for and maybe speak to EAB. I know in the past they had wanted a small budget, but it is concerning that now we're going back to an application that parents will have to complete. And there will be, that's just the hard truth, there will be students who go hungry. So if we want to and we feel the need to get involved in that, I think that it might be a worthwhile cause. And we can talk about that when we go into the budget, the next budget committee hearing, meeting. Go ahead, Council Member. I just want to ask a question on that. If someone's asked to meet me tomorrow at 3.30 about that, do you know what cities are contributing currently? I can absolutely research it and look. I didn't jot it down, but I can. Somebody reached out to me specifically about that. So if you have any information. Send that to Ms. Beggaro to distribute that information, absolutely. I can just add to that is that there was an article recently, I believe it was Pembroke Park, but there was an article that one of the cities made a decision that they were going to fund it. And I actually did discuss this with a member of the EAB, is that that particular city has made that pronouncement in advance of actually knowing how many students may actually fall into that. And part of the, I hate to say the assumption, is that it's a very small city with very few students, so the price tag is a lot smaller. And I had asked this particular EAB member to try and gather some more information as to, you know, how many students are we actually talking about? What would the cost look like and give us a little more information and to bring it to the EAB to actually have some further discussion as well, in addition to bringing it to us. Okay. And yes, that'll be hard to project. Yes. Right? Because this early, but it's, I didn't want to wait until we already completed the budget, right? And not have maybe a line item if it is something we want to do. So again, it, and it doesn't have to be, in my mind, I think that maybe we do it retroactive. And I say that like each school could present, whether we do it monthly, quarterly, this is where I am in the deficit and we reimburse them instead of kind of giving the money up front, right? We're not going to obviously pay for every student in the school to eat and there's not a need. So that's how I envision it. If this is something we want to move forward with, like quarterly, each school cafeteria manager would tell us, this is the amount that I have. If you're looking for some proactive consensus, I mean, I'm interested in this concept. I definitely feel that we need some more information. And there should be no, in my mind, there should be no question that as to our children to be fed both mind and body. And you can't feed the mind if your body is hungry. And so if the sense is that we want our schools to know that we're going to be supportive of it, but we really just need some more information. Before you finish, I think, can I let Council Member Anderson ask a question on this point? Go ahead. I have a lot of experience as being principal in the city for 17 years, so knowing not only principal, principal in our city. It's probably less than $1,000 a year. That was several years ago. I just want to be careful that we're going from community eligibility provisions back to actual application. What we don't want to do, this opinion, what we don't want to do is enable that we're paying, and then they don't fill out the form when they qualify. So now we're paying when the federal government, when they're at poverty level, and the federal government should be doing it. So we have to be careful. I always work with the PTA to create the fund, and we would do it like you were saying. More, we would let it build up, and at the end of the year, because we would keep on telling them we have a deficit, apply or pay, apply or pay, and at the end, we'd quietly wipe it out. And by the way, no kid ever, ever goes hungry. We always give them something. It's not desirable, and the kids are embarrassed, which I don't want them to ever feel humiliated for eating, but they usually get a milk and just like a cheese, a bread with like cheese on it, just basic, and they feel like, you know, kids think it was like a prison meal or something. So it could be humiliating. So the PTA would kick in, and we would not make them do that. We would let them use a lunch. Get a hot lunch, correct. But we, I just, I'm in it in spirit, but I think we need to be like the second or third backstop. That's all, the kind of, if you know what I'm saying, like school, parent responsibility, PTA, and on down, and then maybe we're way back down backstop, because radio stations kick in, benefactors kick in, you name it. Thank you, absolutely. That's going to make a couple of cents with perspective. Yeah. Okay. And then just a couple of announcements. Gina's Caribbean Heritage Month, it's actually the 26th anniversary, so we honor the history, life, and culture. And I would also have to say we cannot ignore, collectively, that we need to speak out about what is taking place across our nation regarding immigration. And in the words of Rosalind Smith, she stated, we must honor our ancestors by protecting our people and moving with intention. I think it was already mentioned, but Pride Month, I know our city is doing a day event. Unfortunately, I can't attend, but I do celebrate our LGBTQ plus community with them, and I'll always fight for equality. And it's also National Gun Safety and Violence Prevention Month, so store your firearms properly. We aim to have a future free of gun violence one day. And Juneteenth will be celebrated at our historical museum this Saturday. I am looking forward to some Motown karaoke, so if you want to hear me sing off-key, join me Saturday. I'm sure they'll be playing all of the great, great, I know, there is an echo, right? I'm getting ready. But we'll be celebrating that Saturday, and then, of course, Juneteenth on Thursday, June 19th. And I want to finally wish all of the fathers and father figures, uncles included, even the ones that don't know their nephew's age, happy Father's Day. Happy Father's Day to all of you. He's around again. Thank you. So without repeating everything that was just said, other than a congratulations to Councilmember Horland becoming the president, a couple of the last things that Councilmember Andreu mentioned made me think again is that we've had a request for as long as I've been up here regarding the reading of the Declaration of Independence, and the message of the Declaration of Independence seems to maybe be even more important now than it's ever been before. And I'd like to ask if our Parks and Rec Department, I'm going to ask Joel if maybe you can consider this, bring this back to the department, is that whether at the end of the parade or before the concert, that there's an opportunity for a reading of the Declaration of Independence. And specifically is that we have a couple cadets that are here and that Plantation High School has already said that their cadets would be willing to read the Declaration of Independence. And I think that not only would it be good for the public on the 4th of July, but it's good to get our cadets participating even more. So that's something that I wanted to ask y'all to consider. And the other thing is that, sure, go. You said it, but I think before the concert it would be perfect, because after the parade, the parade doesn't necessarily end at the same time for everybody. And they're out of there, so I think the concert's a great idea. I 100% agree. I just wanted to give them the option in case they felt that one was better than the other. The last one is that we also, I think, between our last meeting and this meeting, there was a water safety day. And I attended the water safety day at the pool, and you reminded me of it, Council Member Fadgen. It happened so long ago that we haven't had a chance to talk about it. And it was very well staffed. There were some great booths there. The police department was out there. Of course, the fire department, the Sarah Perry's Foundation was there. And there were a large number of families that were taking the opportunity to use the pool and get some swimming lessons. The only thing that was suggested, and I think it was a great suggestion, is that maybe if we don't call it water safety day, but we call it water fun day, and that we offer some food vendors, that maybe we would get more attendance. That there were some suggestions from the people there that we could do a little more to entice the public to attend. Yeah, and part of that, too, and we've talked about it, and this is the first time that we've done this, so the staff has gone back and talked about it, and why we don't want to take water safety day out of the name of it is because that is the whole purpose of it, and we don't want pool party day or community pool day or something to take away from that. So we're kicking around different ideas of how do we incorporate the naming with both of it so that they understand what it's for, but also that, you know, there is more day and fun day. Yeah, so we've looked at different things like that as well as how do we get the whole family involved and what activities that we're programming, and how do we get that out to the public? Because the department staff that was there put a lot of work into it, and so there were a lot of people there staffing it, and there was a lot of work put into it by a different department, and so it would be nice to see that we got a much fuller attendance. Yes, absolutely. Thank you. That's all I have, and with that, at 8.26 p.m., we will adjourn. We will adjourn.